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And it's here. The day has
arrived. Welcome back, everybody. Did

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we thank me to be here?
Nope? Welcome to Snap the Podcast.

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I'm your host, Meghan Thompson.
And this is Snapped, the Q and

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A, The Reunion, the Reunion
Snapped. Hello, Lucy. How's it

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feel to be in the hot seat
today? If I feel ready ready to

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wrap up Snapped? I feel ready
to wrap it up and to just tell

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your truth, tell my truth,
respond to the speculation. Put everything out

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in the open. Put everything out
in the open, the air, clear

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the air, and wrap it up, wrap it up. I'm Megan.

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I am the production supervisor for Snap
the Podcast. Ever since day one,

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day zero, when it was called
how Greek Life Failed Me, Oh my

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god, it was called back I
forgot about that, which I mean,

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it's still a good title. It's
still a good title, but Snapped is

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so much much so speaking of early
on Snapped, and I think that we

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should start this episode by talking about
the start of Snapped a little, but

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I think we should go way way
back too, because I mean when I

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say that I've been here since day
one, I mean since before even our

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first day at college. And I
think that it's worth going through beginning to

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how we ended up here, because
it's kind of funny. So Lucy and

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I first met via Facebook. We
both got into Maryland. I am from

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a little town in Maryland. Lucy
is from the Big Apple and we both

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went were decided to go to Maryland. And we met on Facebook Messenger in

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one of those Facebook groups for like
find your roommate. And I remember I

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thought you were so cool. Well, we you definitely hit it off.

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We were on a roll. We
were on a roll. You were cool.

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I thought you were so cool.
I remember telling my friend about you.

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I'm like, oh my gosh,
this is going to be it,

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like, this is my roommate.
I think this is her? And then

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you ghost be yeah and whatever.
She ghost then the first day of college.

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No, you missed you. Did
you miss Why I ghosted you?

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Because you met someone else? Yeah? It was in between two people.

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Yeah, and you So you chose
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I wanted to deliver. You chose
her. I thought you just got

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wrapped in. No, I chose
her. You what you didn't know this?

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No? I thought you just got
like wrapped in. How do you

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think I? No? I made
a choice. Well, it wasn't like

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one or the other. It was
like I was talking to a lot of

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people. I was playing a lot
of people. But it wasn't like I

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don't remember if it came down between
you and her, but I do remember

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you living in New York City and
her living in southern California, and I

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was like, I'd rather live in
southern California. Like like, I like,

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I chose wrong, MICHAELA. If
you're listening, oh I love you,

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don't dos her? Why would it
dos her? Cala from southern California.

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If you're listening, I love you, and I push it our time.

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But I think I think we ended
up in the right spot here.

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No, but but I'm so glad
that I was with who I was with

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my roommate, Gema. I agree
it was perfect that it ended up the

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way it was and that I did
ghosted you. But now we're on the

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funny. Now this story really bands
because we ran into each other. Oh

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my god. No, it was
in the dorm meeting. Remember on the

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first day in our dorms, we
had like an all door meeting where it

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was like with the ras. We
saw each other and you were Gemma and

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I was with a Kayla, and
I was like, that's the fucking girl

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I ghosted. That's the girl.
Oh my god, she lives next door

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to me. That's the girl I
ghosted. I didn't know that you knew

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right away, but now and I
didn't know that you knew right I knew

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right away too, and we shared
a wall. All. So freshman year

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comes and goes, well, I
had a friend crush on your friend group

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the whole time. Yeah, I
didn't have a friend crush on yours,

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right, Well, it's funny that
you had a friend crush on my friend

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group because, like, I thought
you were one of like the cool girls,

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Like, do you know what I
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thought you guys were down to earth. We were we were below the earth,

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We were the dark people. No, no, no, but I

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like that you guys smoked and like, and we were funny. Yeah,

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you were funny. And you guys
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We were well, we were always
going to smoke weed or the dining

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hall after smoking weed. Because I
never joined Greek life, I never even

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considered it. And that's not necessarily
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I thought it was dumb. I
thought it was dumb at the beginning.

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I actually that's the thing. I
never wanted to join it at first.

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I started wanting to join it after
you joined, and after I saw what

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began on fold the second semester,
the party, the plans, the fun

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like that's when that was the first
time I was like, fuck, it's

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fun to dress up, but it's
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college that's so marketed and desirable.
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was like, that's stupid, Like
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I called I thought that it was
the things that it ended up being

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really being. But even that,
so as soon as I saw what it

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gave people in college, I wanted
it to right. It didn't matter that

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I knew it was X, Y
and Z right, it was the social

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access that it got you that like
you yearn for at a time when in

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the first few weeks of college it's
like so overwhelming and it's all in your

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face and you meet people inevitably because
you have to sometimes, but then it

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like kind of stagnates and it's like, all right, I'm here now,

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now what like I want to like
branch out right, and it gets that's

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when it gets really hard to branch
out. And that's what I think Greek

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life like really provides, is like
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yes, and you were always like
the people want to and you were

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talking to the parties and stuff.
The friend group that you were on VSF

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I mean, as you know,
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all four years. So I eventually
joined who yeah, who? You eventually

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joined later on, But freshman year
would me would be so happy? Damn

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well, you really did it,
you really joined, You just joined,

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You shaped, you infiltrated, and
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It wouldn't have been the same without
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my first girl. Ally, the
friend group we're talking about was also all

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boys, and I would never ever
want to be in that situation again in

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my life. But Tinis, actually, I know, I know the not

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listening. The Tinese are not listening. They've never listened to one episode.

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So anyway, freshman year ends and
we go over the summer. You have

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what seems to be one of the
worst summers of your life. You were

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snapped and I was sad and you
were sad and everything went down how that

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was sad but went back. But
you didn't know that. I didn't know.

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We weren't keeping up, but we
weren't in touch by the No,

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we weren't. And it was like, but we saw each other, and

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my roommate relationship was deteriorating a little
bit, and so I was in a

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place a feeling a little bit lost
as well, going into sophomore year,

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right, and you were feeling lost
because you were snapped. Also, I

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was living in this house and that
that was just awful. I think regardless

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of if I had been snapped or
not, I think I would have had

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an awful, awful time regardless of
that house. I agree in a quad,

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I was so overstimulated. I had
no privacy, literally, no way,

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no privacy. Call that home that
was and that was like I did

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not ever like it was a home. Ever, It's sophomore year. We

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are on Mackelden Mall and we run
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it's like we're walking right towards each
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we see each other. This is
the first time you shanged see each other.

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At this point, I need to
get out of my dorm. And

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you were in the house, miserable
for your life, and by that point

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you've been snapped and you felt ostracized
by everybody. Yeah, I was felt

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so alienated. Yeah, and I
am like, hey, Lucy, oh

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my god. And I said how
I said to you, how's like how

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are you? Like are you?
How's the sword? Like? How's that?

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And you literally said to me right
then on the mall like for the

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first like we barely had spoken,
and one of the first things you said

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to me like it's awful, it's
actually going real, Like I actually need

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to get out of the house,
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I said. And I was dying
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I bet and I because I had
never joined, So you're like,

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okay, that didn't have all of
the propaganda, right, I wasn't going

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to tell you that that's like normal
because I had the opposite reaction. I

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was like, Wow, we're going
to need to discuss the further because I

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need to know. I need to
know everything about why this is going badly.

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That place looks nuts. Because I
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what do you mean it's going badly. It looks so fun. So we

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hung out like like the that night, like that night, it was urgent.

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It was urgent, and that was
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That was the beginning of I would
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that was like the origin of like
snapped the idea that when you tell somebody

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else happens what happened, you need
to the reaction is so different, so

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different when you tell somebody that was
like, oh, like you need to

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surround yourself as night possible people outside
the group. And that was like yeah,

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because I was immediately like, what
do you mean You've got a bunch

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of girls commenting on your Instagram this
cryptic message that like means that you're a

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slut? That sounds like hell on
Earth. We decided to move in together

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pretty much within like a week because
I was going to stick it out for

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one more semester. Maybe because I
was in, I had the least I

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thought I couldn't get out of it. I was slowly, I was sneakily

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searching. You know, getting out
is a process. It's not a single

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act. As Alexandra Stein puts it
in her book Tare eleven brainwashing. You

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know, it's there might be a
lot of false starts. Is how is

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what she got? I mean it's
like an abusive relationship, right takes an

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average seven times? Right. I
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you know, because because you need
an escape plan, you can't just get

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out. So that's when we move
in together. And that's I don know.

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First I have first I move out. You helped me move out?

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Oh yeah, yeah, I help
you move out the sorority house. What

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was the house like? Well,
that was the condition is that I would

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help you move out. But I
needed to see it. I needed to

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see the pink palace. What do
you think it was scary? I was

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prepared to be wowed. I was
prepared to feel like, damn, it

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must be terrible if you're moving out
of this heaven because I thought that that's

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what it was like. That's what
I thought that. But when you go

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in, it's like, this is
so unnatural. This is not a home

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in any way, shape or form. This is somebody else. It's like

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I'm living in the white house.
Yeah, like that's what it was like,

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but a pink white house that is
filled with people that are watching,

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watching, every move and I'm in
a quad with the quad. Was that's

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but that's when I saw the quad. And I also saw the girls in

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the quad that were looking at us
like bugs on the wall, literally in

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pity. Like we were like,
no, I think they pitied me.

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They were like, I think they
were like, oh, well, she

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it's probably for best, like she's
very mentally And I was at the point

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where I didn't care. I mean
not that I didn't care. I can't

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say that I didn't care, but
I would have rather been out and dealt

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with the re percussions than stay in. And I wasn't indoctrinated enough. It

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was I was. I never held
a leader ship position. They pushed me

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at the breaking point quick enough,
quick enough, And I understand because I

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don't think that you're the type of
person that could have ever thrived in that

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environment regardless of what they did.
Do you, I know? But could

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you imagine if they didn't push me
to that point I ended up staying.

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I think you I think you would
have left a different way. No,

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it's hard to say in Hindia because
knowing you now, it seems so far

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from something that you would be involved
in. But I also think at the

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time you were always going to be
a little too theatrical, a little too

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a little too much for what they
needed you to be. I never yeah,

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and it would recruitment would have been
hard for me. Oh, that

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might have retreatment. They would have. They would have put you in the

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basement after the first because I wouldn't
have done my hair. No, you

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would have. It would have been
half straightened. My back at the back

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wouldn't be straightened, and that would
have been and they could like they'd all

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be standing up talking and be like
sitting on the windowsill, like I really

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need a snack. No. Literally, were you disappointed by HBO's Bama rushdoc,

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Like, don't you want to actually
find out what goes on behind the

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scenes at recruitment? Well Snapped has
got you covered. In season two's recruitment

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special, we delve into the process
that determines which potential new members make the

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final cut into a sorority's new pledge
class. You can listen to the season

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two Recruitment special anywhere you listen to
podcasts, and here's a quick trailer.

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People look at recruitment and you know
they think it's just thrown together. You've

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gone through recruitment. The people who
you talk to not a coincident. Trust

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the process. A lot of the
rules about recruitment are kept from the members.

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They kept telling me, I do
not tell girls that we score them

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in number of time. They ran
like analytics that looked like fucking election night.

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But I over heard them saying like, we need to recruit as many

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pretty girls as we can, and
then the rest we need to like make

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quota. What comments stuck it out
most to you? The one that stuck

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out to me the most list this
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she doesn't have a big nose.
I was not allowed to talk about anything

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I read. And the advisor who
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was like, yeah, after this, I take all of these slips and

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I stress them in my apartments and
no one can ever find it. Trust

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the process. I was diversity chair
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like women of color I talked to. Anybody of color was always talking to

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me always because you were the diversity
chair. Yeah. And then I also

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remember one girl emailing us in the
PHA and saying that she's Asian. In

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all sixteen houses, she got matched
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recruitment, just trust the process snapped. So the reason that we're here today

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is because there were a lot of
questions that were left unanswered by the season

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and wanted to give listeners a chance
to have a little bit of input because

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season three was like a big investigation. What there was less of in season

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three was your perspective, which is
good because I think that it was a

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bigger story. But I think that
your perspective is still desired, and I

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think that's what we're doing here today
is going to go a little bit behind

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the scenes. We have a big
list of listener questions here. These are

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actually almost all listener questions except for
a few by me. Ready to get

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started, ready to die, then
let's do it. So what made you

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take the leap and start the podcast? So I think what made me take

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the leap and start the podcast was
how strongly I felt about the topic and

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how I could start to see the
gas lighting and just clearly seeing the moral

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like what I thought was morally right
and wrong. Do you feel like as

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you got farther out of it,
you were more prepared to speak out about

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it. Definitely in season one,
I mean with season three even more so

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than I was with season one.
Before it was a podcast, it was

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a video series. Well, but
you know how it became Well, how

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it started as the video series was
I contacted the writer and director of Slept

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the Play, Yes, Katie cup
Yellow, and I met with her for

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coffee because she created this amazing play
that inspired me, Slept the Play.

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I highly recommend it, and she
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said, made this video series,
and she really empowered me. Was like,

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like I told her about the like
the chant of how to Toddy got

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him out? Who the fuck are
we? How do spot Cox out for

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the ALFA Fe's And she's like make
that the theme song? Almost yeah,

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Like she's just like she was like, do something with this. Yeah.

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So so her validation was incredible.
And then I took that podcast course and

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that's when I turned it from a
video series to a podcast. I remember

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that because I was like, this
is really how to immerse the audience.

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it as a pod video series for
a full year. It is not a

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podcast before, like because a full
year that I remember that we were living

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together something else selling music videos,
yes for it, which was nuts nuts,

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But that's that's why I wanted to
go back. I was singing like

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medicine, beer stays to my face. I think that the that was nuts,

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nuts and whole different. But that
goes back to what I was feeling

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is it's like, I think what
it started was a lot of more healing

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for you. It was all healing
at first. It wasn't supposed to know

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it was the beginning it was.
It wasn't supposed to be something when other

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people could be like, oh I
relate to this. It was like,

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it was this is my power.
What happened to me? Yeah, this

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is what happened. You knew that. Obviously you weren't the only one this

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was happening to. But at the
time, it wasn't like Greek life as

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a whole is so fucked up.
It was like this, well I knew

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it was, you knew it was, but I don't think that was the

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message of the thing. It was
like this this slug shaming, this sorority,

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it's not right, like it was
what happened to you. But I

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think it just blew up from there. It got so much bigger it's like

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hazing wasn't addressed in the first season, like there was so much even though

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in the sense it was you were
haze. Yeah, it wasn't, like

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but there was so much more there's
and there still is so much more,

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right there is there's still so much
much covered because it's extensive. You had

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to cut a lot because if you
wanted to talk about everything that was fucked

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up with Greek life, you could
literally really make a weekly podcast about it,

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which someone should fund. Anyway,
were you scared of Snapped season one

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being unsuccessful? I wasn't worried about
it being unsuccessful, because that's not why

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I was making it. I wasn't
making it to be a success, whereas

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with season three, I was making
it to be a success. Yes,

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it was, it was I knew, I always knew it would have a

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audience. Well, yeah, I
remember us having a lot of conversations about

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how positive or negative that audience would
be, because for a long time we

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thought that it was going to be
just a lot of backlash from We had

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these long conversations. I remember that, but I think that what I learned

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from it was that I already had
heard those opinions that's one hundred pers So

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I was already determined in my head
that those are not opinions. You had

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already been through the worst of it. You weren't as much worried about like

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you were so anti that point.
That was like, I don't care,

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But it's been different if it was
right away, definitely it would have been

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also different. It was like the
video series where it was like, I

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think that I'm glad the video you
being like Uber vulnerable in a way that

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wasn't necessarily for them. It wasn't
thought out yet. There wasn't enough time,

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I don't think in between non events
because it was Yeah, I needed

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to tell it from a bird's eye
view, right. So that said,

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with seasons one through three being wrapped
up, how do you feel about people

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asking for season four? Do you
let me let me break this question down.

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Do you want to do a season
four? Yes? Or no?

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Yeah? I mean I think this
could go on for seasons and seasons.

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There are plenty of stories to tell
and plenty of stories, plenty of people

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willing to tell those stories. And
I remember one of the other questions or

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someone mentioned, like what do you
need for a season four? Like is

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it the content and like, no, the content, it's not the issue.

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It's the funding. I mean,
I'm I can see some of the

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snap Instagram stuff and like it's like
the inbox is full, there's plenty of

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content there. Like it's just they
think that goes into why season four can't

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happen right now? Is that,
Like it's just really you and it's yeah,

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it's a full time job that doesn't
have a salary that comes with it

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except like the money that you make. But it's not like you're making fucking

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buckets out here. It's well,
people don't know about snapped is the money

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that you put into it from your
own and not your parents' money, not

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anybody's like money, nobody's credit card. It was your money from working that

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you put into buying the software,
buying the equipment, paying other people for

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like paying to the other people at
least minimum wage for the shit that they

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were doing for the podcast, which
I think was like there were a few

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people that I'm sure you didn't need
to, including myself, that you like

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you, you really put a lot
of your own resources into this podcast,

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is what I'm saying. All the
money that you did make back from it,

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like it was paying yourself back.
It's not like you came out of

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this like exactly, I paid myself
back. And it's like if someone wants

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to fund, if somebody wants to
make it possible, right, we don't

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have a big enough audience I think
for it to be Patreon funded. Yeah,

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no, And it's just it's it's
also it's just unreliable. It's putting.

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I need a network behind it that
has their own lawyers and right,

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it's it's it's running a business,
right, it's running a business. And

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I think beyond that, I think
you put a lot of your time into

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this, and it's time and like
it becomes yeah it becomes it's twenty four

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or not twenty four hours, but
it becomes your life. Yeah, I'm

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not just a nice girl who wanted
a leadership position. Yes, but yeah,

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at least you actually had a real
leadership position and not not accountability chair.

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Yeah. That was the next question
is how could season four happen?

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Do you need more content funding?
How can we help? I think at

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this point, I don't think you
Answerry. This isn't Mike Q and I

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what were you going to say?
I was going to say at this point.

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I mean, it's it's not just
about funding, it's also about your

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life, and like you need to
be able to turn off work. And

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I think Snapped was it became your
whole life and but that was Yes,

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I agree, but I think that
Snaps could not be my whole life if

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I had the appropriate resources. And
that's where things like funding more of a

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team, right, there needs to
be a team that it's really not even

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about funding. It's about the tea
team, which is I need to be

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I need to have my role,
whether that's the host, whether that's the

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producer what you know, and like
I can't. I want to like I'll

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have input, I'm sure, but
like I can't, And like I did

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have help, you know, but
not but it was no one working on

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it in the same soundse thing you
did ninety five to ninety seven percent of

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the work for the entire podcast.
I would say, like as far as

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on the ground, boots on the
ground, I would say ninety three.

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Okay, that's fair, ninety three, but still I still wouldn't. I

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wouldn't have gotten to certain places without
you, like follow the money. When

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I was there thinking about me,
I was like, well, can we

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put it a lot, but Cammy
did too. I would no, I

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guess something about certain certain phrases wouldn't
have been without CAMMI. So season four,

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how could it happen? I think
that I think the only way help.

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Yeah, I think that either a
media company would need to get behind

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it. Huh. And it's a
hands on writing and if I lose some

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creative control, I lose some creative
control. Right, I've never I'm okay

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with that, right because I think
that at the it's something bigger, it's

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something bigger, it's more of it's
a cause. Now it's a cause,

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And I don't want to be right. You know, you want to You

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want your baby to grow up exactly
and be able to watch her fly snapped.

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That's one of my favorite questions.
I mean this so nicely, but

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have you thought about getting a social
media person? I feel like your conduct

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on social media is hard to take
seriously, especially because of how serious the

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subject matter of your podcast is.
So I guess the question in there is

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have you thought about getting a social
media person? So I've reflected on this

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question. Yeah, And I think, first of all, it's hard to

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fully answer because I don't know specifically
what they're referring to, and so for

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me, all I can think about
is like, what was it this or

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this? Like what do they think? What do you mean by conduct?

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Right? Like? Which which conduct? Yeah, you're like, I've posted

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a lot of things, right,
a lot of good Yeah, I know

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what you mean. And I mean
I understand in the sense that some of

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the content I post is cheeky.
Yeah, it wouldn't be what like CNN

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is posting. I guess, yeah, well I think that I don't know

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what do you think? I think
that this goes back to you. This

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question comes back to this just being
what started as your baby and your healing

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process that turned into a much larger
scale investigation that required marketing and reels on

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or shit on TikTok and Instagram posts
and like the amount of work that goes

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into that conduct isn't a social media
person. You're talking about PR? They

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think I need PR. Yeah,
they think that your conduct on social media

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is hard to take seriously, which
is like you Like, for me,

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what comes up is like like writing
with like in caps sometimes or like heart

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eyes maybe, and then another part
of me is like you want to know

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what I honestly think it is when
I when I think it is No,

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I don't think it's butt picks and
if it is anything like that, which

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it probably is, at least part
something. First of all, part of

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this question is a little bit of
the reason that you were snapped in the

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first price, which is why inappropriate
contact. But I think that's where the

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I understand part of this question is
that I think we talked about this throughout

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the podcast making this is your baby
and very much a thing that was yours

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and you wanted to put Lucy into. But then season three is a lot

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of other people's stories, right,
it's so much we're serious, So you

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had to still the host. You
had to find a balance between how much

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of Lucy do you put out into
the podcast? And in the podcast you

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were an incredible neutral journalist that I
think you did a great great job of,

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like handing over the mic in the
podcast. Social media is your opportunity.

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Media is a little bit to show
yourself. Yeah, and it's a

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little more care free, yeah,
as it should have been. As it

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should have been, And that's where
a lot of the work comes in.

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You didn't have the time and the
resources to be spending six hours reviewing and

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editing and asking those kind of questions
about social media. It's like, right,

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and and I don't know. For
me, there's no I don't.

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I can't think of a social media
post that I regret. Yeah, I

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really can't really think I didn't.
I thought I appreciate feedback if maybe something

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more specific, I don't know.
I did say that they mean this so

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nice, So I think we're to
treat it as a nice comment, meant

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well. And they'd want the success
of the podcast. And I hear me

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too, me too. And if
it did have the resources, and you

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know, let's say I got made
the host, I still can always have

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some right like if this, if
that becomes a season four where you have

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attainment stuff, I'm happy for someone
to give me not that kind of conduct,

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Yeah, exactly, And you know, I'm happy to make adjustments.

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That brings me to our next question
is, would you like to comment on

411
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:42,559
the singing allegations singing gate? Singing
gate, which you can't say I didn't

412
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:48,480
as a production serivisor I listen if
you if you loved the singing, you

413
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,200
just skip this part. But if
you hated the singing, you think it

414
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,480
was polarizing I know it was polarizing
because I know some people liked it.

415
00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:00,279
I bet I'm sure some people liked
it. Some people hated it, and

416
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,160
that's fine. It was polarizing.
It was polarizing. I think, who's

417
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,400
to say that's bad. My vocal
fire is polarizing too. Yeah, but

418
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,079
fuck that, Yeah, fuck that. But it was I understood the singing

419
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:15,640
more because I cut we cut a
lot more singing, Right, You're like,

420
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,400
yeah, if you didn't like the
singing, and be grateful that she

421
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:25,559
didn't put all the singing in.
This started as a music video series.

422
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:30,119
Y'all don't understand. Y'all don't understand. But I think that goes back to

423
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,359
the last question too, is that
there was a lot of you in this

424
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,480
podcast, and like, right,
and I always tried to make the singing

425
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,759
relatable. Like I remember in season
one when I did singing. I remember

426
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:44,839
I once said, what time is
it? Makeup time? It's the second

427
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,440
day of fresh I loved that one. Yeah, Like, you know,

428
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,880
it is to keep it engaging and
to keep you hooked, right, you

429
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,720
know, I think I tried to
be as strategic about it as possible.

430
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,480
You know, I think that I
did take note of this serious under not

431
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:06,039
undertones the serious nature of the episodes. Like with the Tim Piazza episode,

432
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,839
I didn't even have the snapped,
you know, like I there was no

433
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,359
music, so I don't know.
For me, I did it intentionally and

434
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,680
this podcast was produced, edited,
hosted by me, and you know it

435
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:26,119
it. I think some people get
second hand embarrassment. They cringe and they're

436
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,680
not What they don't know is that
we're not embarrassed and you're not printing,

437
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,880
so you can't get secondhand embarrassment when
the first person isn't embarrassed. It's and

438
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,799
it comes down to that they feel
vulnerable, right, they feel like I

439
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,799
wouldn't do that. I wouldn't put
myself out there like that. And it's

440
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:47,079
like that's the same thing with the
butt pick. Yeah, it's it's it

441
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:51,480
goes. That's what this whole question
too about conduct. It's like, if

442
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,920
someone makes you cringe, can you
police them? It depends what the cringe

443
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,680
is. No, it depends.
I mean, I can talk shit,

444
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,519
but I'm not, but I'm not
going to impede on their right to make

445
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:07,200
me cringe. It's not going to
be like, what is this conduct?

446
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,319
Maybe that's why they were mad about
the seat geek ad. People were mad

447
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:14,200
about the seat I don't know.
I'm just thinking that's another time I sang,

448
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:19,279
oh yeah, and that's a huge
well the seaekd. I thought it

449
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,319
was silly. I thought it was
interesting that they'd be like, why is

450
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,400
she singing? It was also funny
if you knew the affiliating song that was

451
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,759
funny, which I thought it was. I don't regret it, good,

452
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:36,680
don't regret it. I don't regret
the seat geek ad and seat geek use

453
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:44,920
the code though, snapped at checkout
when you're using seat geek and just use

454
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:50,000
seat geek if you're gonna book seats, you're gonna book seats, use seat

455
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,839
geek and use codes snapped and I
didn't sing the song, so you're welcome.

456
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:59,400
Snapped to see what all the fuss
is about. Follow Snapped on Instagram

457
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,880
and take talk at Snaps the Podcast. While the season might be over,

458
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,079
our social media presence isn't our TikTok
and Instagram is where you'll find all post

459
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:13,880
production updates and you'll get a bunch
of fun content that didn't make it on

460
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,079
the podcast. Follow Today at Snaps
the Podcast. You won't regret it or

461
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:34,039
maybe you will. No one knows
snapped. Did you ever cover Greek Rank?

462
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,960
No, but I once did a
video of responding to my hate comments

463
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:43,839
that was Greek rank. I think
it's on Patreon. Crank is a successpool

464
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,720
that website. Yeah, well,
Meg used to go there for fun,

465
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:54,160
to fight with people. Sometimes people
would impersonate me. They'd like Lucy.

466
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,920
Yeah, no, people would impersonate
me. No, you didn't impersonate me.

467
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:00,640
But but sometime times you would be
on there, like on behalf of

468
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:08,639
the podcast ring right. That's the
best gorilla marketing. If you can do

469
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:14,039
anything for this podcast. If you
want a season four, the share it

470
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:20,800
word of mouth on your Instagram story, give your full stamp of approval.

471
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,440
You need to listen to this create
urgency. If that's if you want a

472
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:31,440
season four, you need to post
it on your story and spread it word

473
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:42,800
of mouth. And if you know
of an executive or if you are wealthy,

474
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,400
what's your opinion on business fraternities compared
to social ones. And I'm gonna

475
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,840
change this question, not just business
fraternities, but the professional ones. I

476
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:58,360
think that no matter what, it's
an environment that's more susceptible to hazing and

477
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:07,760
to tears and secret things. I
was never in one, and I haven't

478
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:14,800
interviewed forty people from one from them. I have heard some stories in my

479
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:22,079
inbox about business fraternities being negative and
you know, feeling that same ostracization.

480
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,599
Yeah, and so I've heard not
good things. But I'm not I'm no

481
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,719
expert, but I think they share
a lot of the common traits and I'm

482
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,360
not going to endorse them. I
think they're better good, and maybe they're

483
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,480
not better even who knows. Yeah, what would you tell somebody close to

484
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,119
you or a friend that wants to
rush? A family member went all the

485
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:50,400
way to chapter president and it's all
she talks about. It's risky, risky

486
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:55,559
business. I'll be honest with you. I think there's a difference between talking

487
00:35:55,559 --> 00:36:02,440
to someone who's already rushed and is
in it versus talking someone that hasn't rushed

488
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:07,079
yet. Very true. But then
again, I know that I spoke with

489
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:15,239
Cammy about and I warned her and
she joined out and feet right, So

490
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,960
right, I don't think anyone can. So I it's tough. It's tough

491
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,199
because on one hand, it's like
I don't want people to normalize this.

492
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,159
How It's like when people are like, I think I'm going to join a

493
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,679
fray or something and we're just like, oh cool, which one? You

494
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,679
know? I don't think that should
be the reaction though, either. But

495
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,280
where is what's what reaction is going
to have an impact because it's surely not

496
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,800
this one that's just brushing it off
as a normal thing. I think Greek

497
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,599
life has also set up a lot
of propaganda surrounding it about what Greek life

498
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,679
is. That when somebody buys into
that, you feel a little bit threatened

499
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,800
when somebody tells you not to because
it's like, well, I know people

500
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,960
like you say that it's the X, Y and Z, and it's actually

501
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,599
not. I think there was a
question that as an ra what should I

502
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:05,599
say? And I think it should
be come from a place of empathy and

503
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:13,199
curiosity that you listen to this podcast
called Snapped, and you should definitely listen

504
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,320
to it before considering joining. But
what do you think you should say to

505
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,760
a family member, Let's say your
cousin who's in it and is now president,

506
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,679
so you know they're indoctrinated. I
don't think there's a lot that you

507
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:30,519
I don't think Yeah, I think
again, empathy, appeal to them as

508
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:37,719
a person, and even though they
may be frustrating right now, try and

509
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,880
keep hanging out with them, at
least to as much as you can,

510
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:49,039
because the less isolated they are,
the more of a chance they'll get out.

511
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,159
How do you deal with the aftermath
of dropping? I feel kind of

512
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:57,840
lost getting involved in as many communities
as you can. Cling to the friend

513
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,199
that you know that isn't Yeah to
them and have them introduce you to their

514
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:08,679
friends and tell them about your experience
and hear their thoughts from an outside perspective.

515
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,719
Right, Yeah, talk to people
who are in Greek life about your

516
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,239
experience. Yeah, I think a
lot of people will validate you that.

517
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,000
Like it might feel like right now
you're in the minority, but if you

518
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,199
start talking to people, it's really
the majority. You're actually in the majority.

519
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,559
Right And the people who are in
Greek life, if you speak to

520
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,320
them five years from now, there's
a good chance what they'll today is very

521
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:37,920
different. Also, Like in the
I know it probably it probably feels like

522
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,800
everything's crumbling right now, but like
let it crumble, enjoy. There's gonna

523
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,840
be a lot of time in life
that you spend alone, right, You

524
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:52,199
know, like, get enjoy you
because you're not supposed to be in this.

525
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:57,719
You don't need to be around people
twenty four to seven and start unfollowing

526
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,760
them on Instagram, you know,
take take the the lens out as much

527
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,239
as you can. Even though they're
still on campus, they're still dominating the

528
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,760
social scene. So it's hard.
And give yourself grace for feeling that because

529
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,719
there's no way to not feel that. They're gonna feel resentment and go to

530
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,599
the club fair and I think at
the botto of the line, know that

531
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,840
it's it makes sense why you're not
thriving in this system that's made. It's

532
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,800
not meant for us to thrive in. Like the American drinking age is twenty

533
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,239
one. Frats have full control over
the scene. Like where we there's no

534
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,800
there's not a lot of esthetically pleasing
public space. It makes sense why you're

535
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:45,639
struggling socially right now because it's a
very weird realm. College is very weird,

536
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:52,559
and it's also quick and pleading.
You got this snapped if you haven't

537
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:59,159
yet, please please please rate Snapped
wherever you listen to podcasts and leave a

538
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,400
review. This helps the podcast be
more discoverable. On platforms, and I'd

539
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,719
love to hear about what you thought
of this season or season two or season

540
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:23,679
one. Thank you so much for
supporting this independent podcast Snapped. Do you

541
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:30,800
have plans for recourse? If and
when these organizations come from you come for

542
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,760
you. That's a funny question.
Have they come for you? Have you

543
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,800
been came for? Yesizations, Yes, I've been came for. This could

544
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,360
be a whole. This, this
could be this topic could be a whole.

545
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,519
It really could be a hold up. So that's why it's like,

546
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,280
how much do we I think that
you should tell the listeners who reached out

547
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,119
to you shortly or I guess it
was the middle of the season, coming

548
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:58,079
out right after son on Alpha FE
And it's so funny because I thought the

549
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:00,760
season desists would come at either follow
the money or the H word part two.

550
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:05,360
You know, there was always a
possibility for a season discessed, no

551
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:10,119
season desist for the biggest, the
biggest parts of like right, but to

552
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:15,840
them was the biggest part funny about
it? Right? Well, it was

553
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,559
it was that's what our came.
Someone else in the Snap team said she

554
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,400
was like like when I told her, she was like, like, we

555
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,960
thought it would come follow the money
in right, but well, well well

556
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:37,039
look who decided to show uh?
The director of Accountability International sent Lucy a

557
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:52,920
season desssed I woke up, I
see it screenshot immediately sent to you on

558
00:41:52,119 --> 00:42:04,519
like we're caught. They found us, they found that it's done. Oh

559
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:10,519
my god, I mean, I
my blood when you start like immediately racing

560
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:15,000
like like fight or flight. My
second day my job and has now become

561
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:22,280
my job, right like it it
was a crisis because it's it is a

562
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920
crisis. That's the They're very threatening. This is my first seasoness is ever

563
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:34,239
you didn't from an international in my
opinion, cult, yeah, well national,

564
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,159
they call themselves international. I think
Canada. I think they they just

565
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:44,239
say that because they have one job
in Canada, baby, allegedly in my

566
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:50,280
opinion. And mind you, I've
always had the law involved you always,

567
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,760
I mean the law and I always
had the law in the back of my

568
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:59,239
mess, always been behind the scenes, ready in the word. But you

569
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,480
know what I mean, i'd bely
is this legal. It's not like we

570
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:07,079
didn't think about it, right,
This was not willy nilly. This was

571
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:10,519
very everything was very thought. So
I was like fuck yeah. So when

572
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:16,519
then the system. The cease came. I don't know what this means.

573
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:20,320
I don't know what trademark laws are. You don't know. I don't know

574
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,599
just who consent, I don't They
said in the letter, we're gonna do

575
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,199
you want to? Yeah, let
me because long story short with this season

576
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,000
just says that it is one of
the phoniest documents I personally seen. I

577
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,039
mean, it is an embarrassment because
they put their logo because it was in

578
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,920
a PDF, and they said they
were going to assue me if I didn't

579
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,920
sign it, which is nuts.
They tried to trap you trap that was

580
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,519
a trap. That's crazy. And
you said you were like, I think

581
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:51,559
I need to sign it or you
really no, I never was going to

582
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,039
sign it, said you know,
let me fair, okay, fair and

583
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,760
valid. But you said they need
a signature, and that was that was

584
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:05,280
one of my first Yeah yeah,
these monsters because right, and that's not

585
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,440
something that that's a red flag.
If your season just just has a signature,

586
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:12,559
contact a lawyer. Contact the lawyer
because they're trying to drop you in

587
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:17,840
a contract. Contact a lawyer.
Do the intake call for free right because

588
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,360
I'm over here calling four one one, calling in New York, like it's

589
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,199
nine am. I'm like calling them, I'm like my former sororities trying to

590
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:34,880
assume me. What do I do? Trademark law. I think that's where

591
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,159
we're going to read it, because
I think the funniest part about this I

592
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,679
was so confused because they sent one
saying that you were violating trademark law.

593
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,440
Let's just read it. No,
I'll read it. But I think that

594
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,000
it's important to say, is that, like the obvious thing that Alpha Fie

595
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,159
would send you a seasons for is
defamation, saying that you are defaming us,

596
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,639
you are hurting our character as an
organization. In order for something to

597
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,880
be defamation, you have to be
lying. And alphaie is not going to

598
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:07,639
say that you were lying or sue
you for allegedly lying, because that opens

599
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:13,400
up many doors, many many doors
for you to then say I'm not lying

600
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:17,800
and here's why, and here's the
screenshots in court documents, things like that.

601
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,400
So they're never going to try and
even threaten that right unless they're willing

602
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,840
to crack that box open right now, trademark law. Whoever, that was

603
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,400
their end, that was their in
or what they thought, what whoever,

604
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,800
whatever, But was it still on
an Alpha fe That triggered it the fact

605
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,360
that I used their name in the
title. They had no they sent you

606
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:44,440
a season desist for a law like
there was no legal basis. That's people

607
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,320
who reviewed this were like, they
clearly didn't have a lawyer look over this

608
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,920
season desist, right, lawyer didn't
send it. It came from the director

609
00:45:52,960 --> 00:46:00,119
of accountability. And you can imagine, to my surprise, director accounability first

610
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:07,960
of all, and the international president. I already know who she is and

611
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:14,920
it's not pretty. And in my
research, like just imagine me knowing who

612
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,960
this woman is, knowing she allegedly
created Alpha Fe's racist, in my opinion,

613
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:25,360
recruitment strategy, and now here she
is at the bottom of my email

614
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,039
full circle. Just don't send us
letters if you don't want them read aloud,

615
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,440
or don't have the director of accountability
send us letters on your behalf in

616
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:47,000
my opinion, but still still work. They still had You know, I

617
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:53,280
still had fear because I would have
gone into debt. Yeah, I mean,

618
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:58,920
because that's the whole thing that they
know I don't have money. That's

619
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,159
what they were going for a hoping
that you wouldn't think much about this letter,

620
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,760
see that it was big and scary
from a big, powerful organization and

621
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,480
just stop because you were scared stuff. Didn't think that you would dig into

622
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:14,360
this ask other people about it,
and like, ask everyone and their uncle.

623
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:16,880
They underestimated how much you had already
been thinking about the law and right

624
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:22,360
thought that you were just running your
mouth. And what they didn't know was

625
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:28,840
that Snap's production supervisor was on her
second day at work at a place that

626
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:35,719
has lots of lawyers, all lawyers
actually, which worked out pretty well,

627
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,960
because that worked out pretty well and
giving us our first confirmation of we're not

628
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:45,400
getting sued. Yeah, they couldn't
write anything for you, but they can.

629
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,719
But it was well. It took
was one person to read this and

630
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,599
be like, this literally doesn't have
legal basis quickly especial terms of that,

631
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,760
especially because we asked, like a
brand new law grad who he was so

632
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,679
down to this letter and tell me
if it was. I sent this letter

633
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:07,880
to all the Snappers, not all
of them, but anyone, anyone who

634
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:14,679
would be willing to be there for
the cause because I felt so crazy.

635
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:21,159
So let's read it. Dear Lucy
on behalf of Alpha FIE's international executive board,

636
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,639
I am writing to demand that you
immediately bolded, cease and desist from

637
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:30,719
any further conduct or action that involves
the use of Alpha Fee's name or trademarks

638
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:35,000
for any purpose, including, but
not limited to U shown social media,

639
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,159
or any public feelings. I thought
it was because I wore their merch.

640
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,840
I think it was if it was
anything. If it was anything, it

641
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,639
was so not Alpha Fie being the
title right, if it was anything.

642
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:49,320
Yeah, anyway, let's get through
this letter. We have been directed to

643
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,079
proceed with whatever action is necessary.
The leader of your culture. You definitely

644
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,199
didn't ask a lawyer, so I
don't even know who's directed you of anything,

645
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,599
because it definitely wasn't a lawyer.
The leader of your cults, including

646
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,039
Renee, has directed us. Are
you're gonna say that? I just said

647
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:10,559
it? Allegedly Renee. Allegedly Renee
told us to run the letter, including

648
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:16,119
initiating legal proceedings to bring an end
to the improper, unauthorized, and infringing

649
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:22,000
use of the fraternity's name and or
insignia by individuals who are previously affiliated with

650
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,760
or claimed you have be affiliated with, claimed you weren't actually in it with

651
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,920
the Alpha fe chapter at the University
of Maryland. Like, meanwhile, they

652
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:35,320
used my address at the top of
this letter, so like they have my

653
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,360
information because I was a member.
You definitely weren't pretending to be in it.

654
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,719
We are hopeful you will reconsider your
position seek competent legal counsel familiar with

655
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:50,280
trademark and counterfil law. That's crazy
that they said that because any competent legal

656
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,079
council familiar with trademark and counterfeiting law. I have a weay weekend coming out

657
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:59,639
tomorrow. Did they listen to the
podcast because it's just like they really I

658
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:01,800
feel like they really sent this letter
banking on the fact that you wouldn't talk

659
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,000
to a actual lawyer. Oh yeah, or maybe they just didn't think it

660
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:08,000
through like that. I don't know, because it makes no sense. You

661
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:12,920
must realize that this is my favorite
line. You must realize that you are

662
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,199
not a member of the Alpha Fi
International Fraternity and may not hold yourself out

663
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:21,679
as a member. May not wear
or otherwise display merchandise bearing insignia of the

664
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,360
fraternity to suggest you are a member, nor may you otherwise use the fraternities

665
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,800
insignia in any way or engage in
any efforts to recruit unofficial members. It's

666
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,559
a terribly written sentence. But you
weren't doing any of those things. Never

667
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:43,719
did, never pretended to be a
member, never pretended. In a final

668
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,559
effort to remedy this issue, short
of litigation, short of litigation, Alpha

669
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:53,639
Fi International Fraternity demands that you immediately
immediately cease speaking about holding your c speaking

670
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:59,119
about and holding yourself as a member
of Alpha Pie. Never did. You

671
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:00,559
were a member, and I was
a number, and I disaffiliated, and

672
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:07,039
then I sang a song cease utilizing
the insignia, crust, Greek letters,

673
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,840
and other marks of the fraternity.
It's trademarked for your merch. I never

674
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:15,719
sold merch with Alpha Fie on it
or the signia or crest YEP. Didn't

675
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,400
profit off your symbol, Never profited
off your symbol one your ugly ass,

676
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,800
dumb ass little symbol. Cease any
in all attempts to recruit unofficial members.

677
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:29,920
Where did that even come from?
The snappers, They're like, you cannot

678
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:35,840
start your own cults, Cease your
involvement in operating any unofficial chapter, house

679
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:39,440
for the former chapter, or any
arranging other place, Like it's not that

680
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,800
didn't make sense, but I was
thinking it was like my sona Alpha FI

681
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,719
party where I released the launch of
Sona and Alphabe. That's I don't think

682
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,800
that they're thinking I like them.
So I'm reading this again. I'm because

683
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,079
it's so gaslly that it makes you
think, well, what did they think

684
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:55,960
you were doing? Okay, and
number five immediately return a copy of this

685
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,440
letter within seven days, signing the
statement below that you agree to full abide

686
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,119
by these conditions. Mind you contract. We're about to have a three day

687
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:08,559
weekend. The last lines. Alphaie
International Fraternity considers the infringement and counterfeilding of

688
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:13,719
its legally protected trademarks to be a
very serious issue, and ignoring our demands

689
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:20,039
will not this issue go away,
Typo. If we do not receive your

690
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,559
signed copy, we plan to proceed
with filing a lawsuit naming you as a

691
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:28,559
defendant. Bluff, But that's the
scariest line, naming you as a defendant.

692
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,920
That's Alpha Phi International versus Lucy Taylor. A dream, but not a

693
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,159
dream, nightmare, a nightmare.
It's what everyone was hoping for, but

694
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,280
no one would ever wish upon me
and theory if it were to go down

695
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,920
and get sent to the Supreme Court, it would go it would be legendary.

696
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,840
So we covered our cover our basis
for that right, it wouldn't we

697
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:52,199
cover our basis through Yeah, it
would be dismissed whatever. Anyway, the

698
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,039
last line, I look forward to
your full compliance with the above directives.

699
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:00,400
Please note that this letter is sent
without waving any of Alpha Fe's rights or

700
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:06,960
remedies, all of which are expressly
reserved. Okay, Signed the Director of

701
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,960
Health, Wellness and Accountability, C
Seed, Alpha Fee executive director and some

702
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,920
other girl who's in charge of marketing
and communications. How did you respond?

703
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:22,199
There were It was a whole week
long process of not knowing what to do.

704
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:27,639
You know, here I am calling
for one one and they're telling I

705
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,360
finally get in touch with a trademark
lawyer. He gives me advice. He

706
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,840
laughs at the letter. What did
he say? Didn't say? They clearly

707
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,760
didn't. Yeah, they clearly didn't
have a lawyer. Look at this.

708
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:44,199
It's so funny because they say,
we are hopeful that you seek competent legal

709
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,280
counsel familiar with trademark and counterfeiting law. So that's what I did, and

710
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,519
you did, and they laughed at
the letter. Right. Instead, they

711
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,800
clearly didn't talk to a lawyer,
right, And so here I am talking

712
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:59,280
to a lawyer and then he's like
this is essentially bullshit, not that wording,

713
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,039
but right, but tells me that
I shouldn't ignore it, right,

714
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,280
and that you should have a lawyer. I should have a lawyer. Respond,

715
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:08,639
and You're like and I'm like,
sure for a lawyer, And I'm

716
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:12,960
like how much? What did you
say? It was five hundred dollars an

717
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,920
hour and he estimated that it would
take two hours, maybe two and a

718
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,760
half, and that I would have
to put down a ten thousand dollars retainer

719
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:27,920
fee that I would eventually get back. But I don't. That's not ten

720
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,719
thousand, no, no, not
ten thousand. So definitely not going to

721
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,960
do that, especially for this letter. So so I was like, fuck,

722
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,559
So, there's not like I'm not
getting a lawyer. I was still

723
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:42,320
trying to reach out to anyone who
was anyone to try and get something pro

724
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,440
bonus, like I guess I'm gonna
have to have Megan Limb respond right.

725
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:50,000
No, I was like any like, but I was also putting up this

726
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:53,599
podcast season and didn't want to give
this my full You were in the middle

727
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:57,119
of this out, yeah, you
were, and that was a tactic of

728
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,800
theirs too, I'm sure it was, but yeah, I was. I

729
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,239
was super busy, so I had
and I knew it wasn't real deep down,

730
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:07,159
right, and so I couldn't give
it the full like I couldn't.

731
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:09,920
I couldn't make it my whole life
right now. But it was scary.

732
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:15,599
There were points where I was like, fuck, I'm gonna need to make

733
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:17,880
like no one's gonna donate to my
GoFundMe, like I'm going to go into

734
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,480
debt because of this, Like I
feel I felt very alone and your catastrophizer

735
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:24,480
like that they had me, they
rattled you, they rattled, but they

736
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:30,440
didn't have me that they rattled me. Eventually, nothing was coming. I

737
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:34,559
was not going to reply at a
certain point because none of the connects were

738
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:39,559
working, and our strategy was going
to be don't say anything the text,

739
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:45,519
don't reply because if they were gonna
see me, I didn't think that they

740
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:50,360
would do it without another warning,
right, and also they wouldn't sue you

741
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,079
on this basis, right, like
it just you know, like it was

742
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,719
it was still risky, but I
was like, you know, we're taking

743
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,400
this chance because I do not have
this money, and we also talked about,

744
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,639
like the worst that happens in this
instance of this letter, they sue

745
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:06,079
you. They file a lawsuit,
and you have to go to court to

746
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,360
get it dismissed. That's the worst
thing that happens. That costs money,

747
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,440
which sucks, But like it was
never gonna end in like a long thing

748
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,639
where you got found guilty of something. No, I wouldn't have gotten found

749
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:20,440
guilty of something. But I was
scared that they were going to use money

750
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,880
to silence me, because I eventually
I would have given up. If it

751
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:27,719
came down to, I think,
lawyer like ten thousand dollars, I would

752
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,320
have stopped, right, Definitely,
you didn't have to because I didn't have

753
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:36,599
to through because at the first Amendment, well yeah and and yeah, always

754
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:37,880
that. But even if the connect
didn't come through, I mean, I

755
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:42,239
don't think they would have sued,
right, No, I don't. Well,

756
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,480
they had no base, they had
no basis. But a judge would

757
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:50,920
have scolded. This is what my
This is what the law person that I

758
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,079
had, he's a lawyer, now
passed the bar. Congrats. That's what

759
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:58,559
he told me, is that the
judge will scold the lawyer that brings this

760
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,400
case right, Yeah, I would
have because no, wonder they didn't have

761
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,079
a lawyer behind it, because there
was. Yeah, it would have been.

762
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,199
It's embarrassing, it has a typo
in it, and it has no

763
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,480
legal like I could have written a
letter. I could have easily quickly.

764
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,119
Anyone can. Anyone can. So
yeah, I was originally not going to

765
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:22,119
say anything, but then I spoke
with someone who was like, no,

766
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:28,519
you need to reply. And I
got into that like catastrophizing mindset, I

767
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:30,920
guess you could say, which maybe
I needed to be because this was my

768
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,639
money on the line. I need
to protect myself. Yeah, right.

769
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:42,199
And I reached out to a film
director who I had been in brief contact

770
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:46,880
with before this, just through the
Greek life world, and we had been

771
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:53,960
in brief contact but never met or
had a conversation. But this He creates

772
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:00,880
a lot of movies about frat hazing, and so he knows about the inner

773
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,519
workings, and he knows how these
places tick and silence people, and is

774
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,239
a very successful director, has a
lot of connect So I thought, you

775
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,719
know what, if I'm going to
shoot my shot, I'm going to shoot

776
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:17,480
my shot. You are killing me
right now? Why? Good part?

777
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:22,639
I'm gonna shoo my shop. But
I messaged him and he and he referred.

778
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,639
He said, I'm going to connect
you with this guy. And I

779
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:30,039
knew the guy's name already in the
back of my mind. I've heard I

780
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:34,920
had heard this name. I had
heard this name before in the research.

781
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:44,199
And he's a very talented individual.
We're not going to because very serious right

782
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:51,880
right now, right, and we
don't. Yeah, but he is an

783
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:58,119
admirable an admirable person. I think
this lawyer is somebody who has represented and

784
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,360
been involved with a lot of cases. Is that involved ties. He's he

785
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,920
knows this the inner workings, and
he knows. He just he's just seen

786
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,840
this go down. That's how they
silence people with lawsuits or they try to

787
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,840
write people. And he saw that
they were trying to do this to you

788
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:19,920
with no just independent podcaster who is
advocating, and it's setting a precedent.

789
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:29,199
So he represented me probono, not
even me, He represented the snappers pro

790
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:47,960
bonoy, snapped Lucy got one of
the top lawyers for this kind of not

791
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:51,320
this kind of suit. I don't
want to say too much because I don't

792
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,599
want to identify him, but he's
like one of the top lawyers for a

793
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:59,239
specific field of law very relevant to
Greek life, that is now going to

794
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,559
represent that was representing you pro bono, which would have been saved My life

795
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:08,679
would have been thousands of dollars for
Yeah. Yeah, and he just very

796
01:00:08,719 --> 01:00:14,719
matter of factly told them the truth. He wrote one of the best letters

797
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,920
that I still want to frame,
an avid, strongly worded letter writer.

798
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:24,760
You were inspired, I was inspired. I was beautifully so he artfully,

799
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:30,679
artfully. Ugh, once I have
an office, I'm definitely going to print

800
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:32,599
it out. Both of them,
Yeah, both of them, for sure.

801
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,519
This is the paragraph of the lawyer's
letter and response that I think that

802
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:42,199
everybody should hear with all due respect. This is him talking to the alpha

803
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:45,800
fe season to size people with all
due respect. Your demand is misguided and

804
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,920
legally unsupported. Any trademark protection that
your fraternity has with respect to the use

805
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,599
of the World's Alpha fee is likely
in the context of establishing and operating a

806
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:58,519
fraternity entity on the college campus.
By no means does this limited property write

807
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:04,079
entitle you to muzzle pece engaged in
journalism who speak factually about the organization,

808
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,840
whether those statements concern their prior membership
and experiences therein its activities, its relation

809
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:15,000
to other Greek organizations, or otherwise. These are rights protected by the First

810
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:20,639
Amendment of the US Constitution, often
referred to as freedom of speech. Worth

811
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:24,760
noting in this regard is that the
phrase cease and assist has often been used

812
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:30,800
by universities and colleges across the country
to de recognize your fraternity chapters for acts

813
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:36,079
of hazing, misuse of alcohol,
violations of campus code of conduct, and

814
01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:40,199
similar misconduct, which is perhaps one
reason there is a public interest in speech

815
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:46,320
and programming today and for decades in
and on every media platform referencing Alpha FE

816
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:53,119
and other Greek organizations. So I
acknowledge you in your fraternity's substantial familiarity with

817
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:59,239
the phrase, but it has no
lawful applicability to my client or her constitutionally

818
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,920
protected rights. And yeah, that
was the end of that. That's all

819
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,079
it took. And you know,
part of me didn't want to speak about

820
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:15,239
it because it still is scary.
It's just scary business when some organization comes

821
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:21,559
at you like that. But with
so much time passing and them not suing

822
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:29,760
me, I have I feel an
obligation to tell the snappers just because they

823
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,519
put something on a PVF. Yes, and tell you to sign it doesn't

824
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:38,119
make it true. Yes, you
know. Cease and desists are not official

825
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:44,840
legal documents. They are not lawsuits. They are a letter that someone writes

826
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,960
to you telling you to stop before
they sue you. And they are often

827
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,159
abused by powerful people to scare people
into thinking that they are going to be

828
01:02:54,239 --> 01:03:00,559
sued when they actually have no basis
for a lawsuit and it's just a letter

829
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:06,920
of empty words, and it's actually
they could actually get in trouble, so

830
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:09,840
to say, for no, one's
probably gonna come and get them in trouble.

831
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,119
But it's oh anti slat. Oh
yeah, they can't law they can't

832
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:20,400
do Yeah, there are That's another
thing, the slap laws that he references

833
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:30,000
in the thing, which prevent organizations
like Alpha Fee from burying creators or journalists

834
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:38,519
or public speakers individuals are talking about
or trying to expose or shine light on

835
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:45,760
negative parts of an organization. There
are laws that protect those whistleblowers from being

836
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,760
buried in legal fees and stuff exactly
for purposes like this exactly. And so

837
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:57,280
I felt with this privilege of having
this guy pro bono, like since I

838
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:04,480
had that confirmation from virtually the top
of there's no one better who could have

839
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:12,079
represented me in this. That's something
that everyone deserves to know. Don't let

840
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,960
don't let them scare you. People
scare you, and don't let them scare

841
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,719
you. You definitely got lucky as
far as I got lucky representation, But

842
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:25,800
I don't think you necessarily needed it. I think it could have gone away

843
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,840
without it. But yeah, we
wouldn't be talking about it right now.

844
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,519
We wouldn't have be. But don't
take a season of this face value right

845
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:36,920
look into it. But it's if
you're a podcast host and they're suing you

846
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:44,960
for trademark violations and this is the
first time they're contacting me after three seasons,

847
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:49,480
and like I emailed y'all about this
before it is affiliated, it was

848
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:55,159
pretty easy. You had my address, we could have All Alpha Fy had

849
01:04:55,199 --> 01:05:00,719
to do was apologize privately, and
I would have never talked about it publicly.

850
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,360
Again, It's true though, if
there if there was some sense of

851
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:11,039
remorse or apology, maybe snapped would
have never happened. But it's the normalization

852
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:14,280
of it all. And I completely
fully believe that if you're you would have

853
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,800
been treated by respect treated with respect
by the sorority that snapped would have never

854
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:25,360
happened, but unfortunately that was the
case. Not don't, don't check out

855
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,480
yet. We got two more questions
or one more. Do you have any

856
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:35,280
genuinely good memories of your sorority?
Yeah, but none that are like wow,

857
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:41,079
that was so good, Like I
made. I really enjoyed two friends

858
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:46,199
that I was started to make of
four friends. I really saw a lot

859
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:53,039
of kindness in the individuals that I
met. Are you still friends with anybody

860
01:05:53,039 --> 01:06:00,599
from your sorority? No? Yeah, so, I but you know,

861
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:03,079
I don't. I don't think we
were really we didn't meet in an environment

862
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:12,079
where friendship. Friendship can be Yeah, that's it doesn't flourish. It doesn't

863
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:16,960
flourish. It can be created,
but it's yeah, it's it's risky business.

864
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:24,239
Or any regrets, No, not
one. I mean sometimes I think

865
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:29,039
about, like I wish the audio
quality in season one was better or you

866
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,239
know, but that's just the name
of the game. Yeah, it's just

867
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:36,800
trial and error and also growing and
in my production skills, which I think

868
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,559
is very evident. It is wildly
evident. I think Season three was a

869
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:46,199
very like professionally put together piece season
one was a passion project. But that's

870
01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:51,760
a wrap. I think, Uh, that's all I've got. I thank

871
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,440
you for being with me through it
all. Of course, thank you for

872
01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:58,800
letting me, letting my dream come
through, and letting me host an episode.

873
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,119
I'm proud of you. Me too. I can't believe we made it

874
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:05,000
this far, and that doesn't feel
real. It doesn't feel real. I

875
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:09,840
can't believe it's over, doesn't feel
over. I don't think it's over over.

876
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:17,679
I don't think it's over over either. Snapped. If you're craving more

877
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:23,519
snapped content, we've got a bunch
on Patreon. Patreon is where I post

878
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:30,639
screenshots, full documents like primary sources
type shit, a Q and A that

879
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:34,079
was recorded in twenty twenty after season
one, that answers why I didn't include

880
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:38,719
the name of the sorority in the
first season, if I've gotten backlash from

881
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:44,199
UMD, why I joined such a
racist institution in the first place, and

882
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,199
if any of my former sisters have
reached out since the podcast. You'll also

883
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:54,719
find a review of Bama Rush.
Behind the scenes content like a video of

884
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:59,800
me and my assistant before I had
the lawyer for the season desist trying to

885
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,119
fit, you're out? What's say
at Alpha fe And we have so many

886
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:11,760
full interviews from this season, including
treasurer Mikayla So, I have a biology

887
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,760
and public health major. I have
nothing to do with finance. I got

888
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,079
another bag of sex toys and it
said this is for the biggest slut in

889
01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:25,640
the sorority. James, the social
chair, don't get me started on like

890
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,079
the quote unquote progressive white girls and
the sororities. I would be like,

891
01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:33,039
oh my god, you guys are
gay. You're so cute. Advisor Sophia,

892
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:38,079
My entire month of August was taken
up by recruitment for the last five

893
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:41,239
years. They slept on the couch
in the sorority house to make sure that

894
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:46,159
I was there when I was needed. Advisor Tori, I'm definitely been pinpointed

895
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:51,560
by my alumni as someone who's willing
to make noise to make change. Lizzie,

896
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,039
I was at this away weekend and
I was drugged. She's like,

897
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:58,800
if they get shut down, where
are we gonna do? Tail? It's

898
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,399
anonymous frat brot Hyler, What did
that jboard meeting look like? That was

899
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:08,039
about the hazing and alcoholic It's like
it's like a real court case, right,

900
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:11,239
so you have what do you mean
it's real, like it's like not

901
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,840
okay yet. And my full video
interview with Julia which was recorded in a

902
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:23,640
professional podcast studio and even in this
chill sorority, it was very bad image

903
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:28,560
and I want to share with you
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904
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:33,960
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905
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:42,239
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906
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,159
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