So what are we here talking about. We're talking about behind the secret Pentagon
UFO program. So this is a talk that I developed and I've been doing
over the past few years. And the reason I've been doing that is to
explain to people the nuances behind the a TIP organization. And it's really important
to know because a lot of people are asking about, you know, they've
got conspiratorial ideas about the release of UFO information and how this could be involved
and this and that. And I'm not saying, you know, any of
your conspiracy theories are wrong. Likely they are, but they might not be.
But in order to be educated about how that might work, you got
to know who the players are. And this isn't you know, somebody,
this Louise Alessandro guy coming out of nowhere and making all of these wild claims.
There's an entire history here, and there's a whole lot of people involved
here, and so that's why it's really important to understand. So let me
go ahead and share the PowerPoint that I've put together. Oh, I see
your question. Now, why don't UFOs just land in public? Ask the
UFO f liar? I don't know why, I mean, but actually that's
not a dumb question. It's a very good question, and it's a very
important question. And I'll answer it real quick before we get into this,
because I think it's going to be important to think about this as we go
forward, even in this presentation here, is that there's another party involved.
Everybody's like government disclosure. Government needs to tell us. This government needs to
tell us that, well, there's another party here if we're being visited by
someone else, that they could reveal themselves as well. Obviously whatever is visiting
is keeping itself hidden. If there is somebody else visiting, and you know,
they could reveal themselves as well, who knows what they're revealing to the
government. All right, so let me get up my presentation here. So
here it is, Hi, Paul UFOs over the tipping Point, behind the
secret Pentagon UFO program. This is an important concept all by itself, UFOs,
over the tipping Point. We are in a brand new world, and
I think some of you totally understand that, especially some of you that have
been doing this for a long time. When I got involved with this,
I was a journalism student broadcast journalism. But and I'm not in journal well,
I am in journalism now. That wasn't my degree. I finally ended
up doing a degree in psychology, in particular industrial and organizational which is around
essentially leadership, organizing people, kind of how people think when it comes to
like, you know, marketing stuff like that. And the thing that I
found was that there was a lot of credible information about the topic, but
it was completely made fun of. Right in the nineties, especially early two
thousands, people just laughed about UFOs and that was a bit frustrating for me
because there's a lot of credible information that was being ignored and there's no reason
it shouldn't have been a mainstream item. We should be comfortable to talk about
things we're seeing in the sky that we can't identify. And it was completely
surreal to me as a mofon UFO investigator, which I became when I called
the FAA or I call the airport and I say, hey, you know,
for instance, one of my first cases was this guy was just back
from Iraq and he's used to reporting things in the sky that he can't identify,
and they don't care. Nobody cares. Why wouldn't you care if there's
something in commercial airspace and you don't know what it is, it's irrational not
to care. In this instance, they're being the irrational one, not the
UFO guy. So that was my goal. Over the years, you know,
it got treated better. But now ever since this New York Times article
that started this whole thing and let's go take a look at it, that's
what's next, you know, from December twenty seventeen, all of a sudden,
UFOs are a more credible topic and it's okay to talk about them,
and it's real. For me, it's a huge game changer because that was
my ultimate goal. In fact, I got to be honest. Part of
my feelings about my hiatus that I was on for so long was that I
reached my big goal. Now what you know, now, hopefully mainstream media,
other credible, capable researchers, we'll look into this and they'll be able
to discover some things. And I also was a little frustrated. And this
is kind of my message to the UFO community and to the very people that
I will be talking about in this presentation. Because it's a new world.
We can't walk around speculating about this and that and then get frustrated when people
don't take it seriously. Because now we've got this threshold. Now there are
people talking, there is stuff coming out. We need to be more careful
about what we present. The difference between a jet fighter and several military witnesses
coming out and talking about their case versus us sitting around speculating about a crash
in you know, and what's that place in Arizona. It's one of the
crashes. I don't really buy, but anyway, the point is we can't
really try to purport that in the public as much. We need to be
more careful about that, especially the people that are in organization's UFO related organizations
that are trying to be taken seriously and are purporting that they have credible information.
Your credible ability level. We're now on a new level mainstream scientists SETI.
You know, this is the level we're at. We have to act
like these scientific organizations, and we're completely justified in doing so. But that
means we need to provide the hard data. And the hard data is out
there, and this is the sort of thing that others are going to be
doing. If you want to get stuck, you know, debating speculative stuff,
have at it, you're going to be relegated to the UFO Nutter crowd.
But if you want to be involved in actually making a difference, let's
research and look for the real hard data and be careful. You know,
I really feel especially for these guys in these programs. You know, don't
just say And I kind of challenged Louis Alazando on this. You know,
he said there might be crash material out there. Don't say that. Prove
it. You're not in a position to be able to speculate. You're in
a position where people are looking for you to you for credible information. You
have to be more careful about what you talk about. And we all need
to be that way. I need to be that way. You know who
really needs to be that way. This guy named Lee Spiegel, who is
a long time Oh he's in the chat room here, but you know,
we all need to be careful that way. Highley, good to have you
here. But let's get back to it. So everything changed right in December
twenty seventeen with this story glowing Auroras and black money, the Pentagon mysterious UFO
program. But how did this come about? And who are all the people
in this story and related to it? We're going to come back to that.
But let's go back to kind of the beginning of how this story took
place, and that starts with this gentleman, Tom DeLong. Tom DeLong,
of course, is a rock star. He so the head dude for Blink
one eight two, and now he kind of quit them because of UFO stuff
we've found out, and he's still got a band called Angels and Airways.
But he's running to the Stars, not just to the Stars Academy. That's
a new thing. We'll get into that. But To the Stars was a
company he started years ago to do all of his media stuff. One of
the media things he did was Strange Times And this is how we at Openminds
dot tv first came to know Tom. He was doing this site with paranormal
stories that he was writing, and he liked Openminds dot tv and he asked
us, can I repost some of your stories? And so he would get
a hold of us pretty much weekly or on a regular basis, saying,
hey, can we do use this story? Can we use this story?
And we were cool with it as long as you link back to us,
go for it. We all really liked him. He's a good guy,
uh, and you know he was looking for something credible, but then he
got and he started saying stuff like he's talking to these government insiders, he's
talking to these NASA guys that, And then he started sharing his ideas well.
He had always shared his ideas about maybe aliens are coming here and there's
a big battle and everything, and you know, I think he's an honest
person, but it was like, you know, what are you talking about
talking to NASA people and government people. Why would they talk to you when
you have such weird ideas. But then we found out he was telling the
truth, and in fact, we gave him an award at the UFO Congress
because of what happened next. And instead of just telling you what happened,
let me play a video for you to show you why we did what we
did. I did have this video ready before, but I don't now,
so let me get that ready. I apologize for not having it ready.
It's a great video. You're gonna love it some of you. Most of
you have probably already seen it, but it's important in the context of what
we're going to be talking about to watch it again because of the details.
And I'm gonna watch. Hopefully this works. I had to do something special
to make that sure. The sound works on this video, so let me
know if you cannot hear it while it plays. The twenty seventeen presidential campaign
is finally over, and so are the mysterious leaks of emails posted by WikiLeaks
of Hillary Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. At openminds dot tv, we often
cover the news of Podesta's interest in the UFO topic, an interest that was
reflected in his leaked emails in surprising ways. Perhaps one of the more shocking
revelations from the Podesta emails is his involvement with rockstar Tom DeLong, who is
seeking to expose a vast UFO cover up within the government. DeLong, the
former frontman for the band Blink one eighty two and currently for the band Angels
and Airwaves, says he based his recent fiction book, Secret Machines Book One,
Chasing Shadows, on information fed to him by government insiders. The book
is about the government's decade long project to back engineer alien technology and hide it
from the public. According to Rolling Stone, DeLong claims he was approved to
say he used quote sources within the aerospace industry and the Department of Defense and
NASA who approved him to say this, and who are his sources? Until
the Podesta UFO WikiLeaks, we had no idea who these people were, if
they were really within the government, or if they existed at all. It
turns out DeLong was having conversations with insiders, and some of the names of
the people he was talking to are in the Podesta emails. In fact,
Podesta invited them to a meeting. A Google hangout's invitation sent out on January
twenty fourth for a meeting on January twenty fifth at ten thirty am, included
Rob Weiss, executive vice president and general manager for Advanced Development Programs Skunkworks at
Lockheed Martin Aeronautics. Skunkworks is the group that built Area fifty one at the
behest of the CIA, and for decades has worked on developing top secret advanced
aircraft. Major General William N. Mcassy, the commander of the US Air
Force's research laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Wright Patterson has a rich
history in UFO folklore, as it was the home of the Air Force's official
UFO investigations from nineteen forty seven to nineteen seventy and the final attendee was retired
US Air Force Major General Michael Carey. So we found about the best part
of that video. Tom DeLong comes on because we say hey, and we're
giving you this award. Tom DeLong comes on and then says he accepts the
award. One of the things that he said is that people got mad about,
was that he says, I'm just like you, you know, I
know everything. He didn't mean that he knows everything about UFOs. What he
meant is, I know what you guys know. I researched this stuff like
you. And it was my feeling at the time he was just as you
know, most of US UFO researchers. I know a lot of people got
mad because they're known as UFO researchers, but we do it on our off
time, so does Tom. But obviously you don't organize meetings with this level
of people without spending a lot of time and effort into it. And he
brought credible UFO information to these people and was massaging these people obviously to make
things happen. So on the one hand, the award was because he made
this all happen, but it was also because there was at least in my
mind, these people aren't going to come and meet with Tom and not something
result from it. So something would result from it, I felt, so
it was extraordinary. I thought it was a big deal. That's why I
felt that he should receive that award and why we gave it to him.
One other note that I think is really neat, and my friend Ben Hansen
found this. I of course had scoured those emails, especially for stuff that
was pertinent, and one of those wiki leaks was from regarding UFOs was from
Hillary Clinton's one of her major head staff people like her number, the one
right under John Podesta, and it emailed out and they said, hey,
did you know that Jimmy Kimmel wants to ask our candidate? I think they
called it Hillary a UFO question. And the lady said, why why would
she he want to ask Hillary that? And they said, well, parent,
Bill and John Podesta have a history in this, and they sent a
couple links, and one of those links was to one of my Open Mind
story on this topic on the background of Bill Clinton and John Podesta's UFO interests.
Now, the reason I wrote this, I wrote this in the Obama
era because it was about here's Obama's links to UFOs and those were, of
course, or that was John Podesta. So I gave that history, which
is really ingrained of course with Bill Clinton, because he worked for Obama and
he worked for Clinton, and it was during the Clinton years he worked with
Clinton to try to get information. So let's get further into this. So
I saw that video and I was like, whoa. You know, I
thought, holy moly, this is a big deal. Unfortunately, the majority
of the UFO field, I guess I kind of get to do a little
bit of I told you so in this talk, because the majority of the
UFO field was not impressed. In fact, they were really really upset with
me over the Tom DeLong award. And I took it on the chin.
It wasn't only my decision. It was my idea, to be honest,
but I think all of us were thinking that and everybody had to sign off
and it was unanimous. But I was like, fine, here's my idea,
here's my decision. I stand by it. But I caught a lot
of stuff. I caught so much heat from everywhere it was shocking to me.
Instead of being excited or curious about how Tom DeLong got these meetings,
everybody was so upset that we gave him some kind of award and that we
did give him a word got some pressed too, which we didn't necessarily expect.
But then October twenty seventeen comes around and people were getting antsy because in
Tom's address he said that he was doing some really crazy cool things and some
amazing things are going to happen and you're going to know about it soon,
and he said something like within thirty to sixty days. I think he told
me that, and I wrote that in his story because I was asking him,
when's it going to happen, when's it going to happen, when you're
going to get this stuff? And it never happened. Time went by,
months went by, nothing was happening. Everybody's getting upset because nothing is happening,
and I'm talking to Tom. Tom is getting really embarrassed. He's like,
sorry, Alejandro, you know it's coming, it's coming, it's coming.
Finally I get a call and he's like, get on signal, you
know, which is this thing that the reporters use so your message is encrypted
so you could talk and people can't hear you. So I get on it.
He's like, I'm doing amazing stuff. We're launching this big thing tomorrow.
Can you look at some of this media material and let me know what
you think. So I did gave him some advice, especially to get all
the hoax you know, videos that he had in there out. He did
take them all out except for one. He had a lot too. He
had like a dozen in there that were videos I knew were fake. And
you all may know, some of you will know. He kept one fake
went in there because so many people have given him junk about that. And
this is what he came up with. This group of guys and this new
organization called to the Stars of Arts, to the Stars Academy of Arts and
Sciences, and what they were supposedly going to do is look into UFO stuff.
And the group of people is really incredible. Some of these people we
already knew. And I'll go over it really quickly because I know many of
you are very familiar with the group. But one of them on the far
right, and i'll go from the far right to the left. On the
far right, we have Jim Simmavan. He was impressive because he had twenty
five years as an operations officer for Central Intelligence. This essentially whoa you know,
I hadn't heard of him before this. Luckily I got to talk to
him actually during the inception of To the Stars. Very impressive. In fact,
I think Lee Spiegel and you can tell us Lee if you're still in
the chat, interviewed him. I know a couple others have, but really
great guy, really good guy. Then to his left is how put Off,
and let me tell you a little bit about how. We'll talk more
about How in his history too, and a little bit here. But he's
got fifty years experience as a research scientist at General Electric, the NSA,
Stanford University, SRI. He's worked with NASA, the Department of Defense,
and various intelligence communities. Next to him is another really important person. So
one of the people that Tom DeLong had talked to was a mister Wise,
who was part of Lockheed's Skunkworks Lockeed. Skunkwork is an organization that started Area
fifty one. They were tasked by the CIA to go seek out and build
the secret facility, which they did and they've continued to have a large presence
there. So this is a guy who is the director for integrated Systems at
Lockheed Martin Aeroniomics Company, skunk Works. This is a guy who works for
skunk Works, who the people who test this stuff at an area fifty one.
Holy moly. So then next to him is this little guy, Luise
Elizondo. What the heck? And this guy is another career counterintelligence guy,
and he said that he was also in this headed up a program to investigate
UFOs. I'm going to get back to that in just a second. And
then this last guy, Steve Justice, who I know someone in the chat
I won't say, who has a crush on a no. Li says he
talked to Jim a couple of times, but he didn't get to interview him.
But this last guy here is Chris Mellon. And Chris Mellon is a
very very important person. He has twenty years in the federal government under Clinton
and Bush. He's the former Minority Staff director of the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence. He is a private equity investor, and he's the chairman of the
Science Committee at Carnegie Museum of Natural History. And this is a guy who's
part of the family of the Melon Banks. You know, some of you
will be familiar with that. Some of you might have Mellon on your credit
card. This is a big time company. These are you know, a
big time family. So this is a very well connected person. So getting
back to this guy who says he worked on UFO projects. When I saw
this in October twenty seventeen, and I know some of you probably felt the
same, it was like, what I mean. As a UFO researcher and
journalist, I've void I've contacted the Air Force multiple times. Every time,
practically every time, ninety percent of the time, you're told we don't care
about UFOs. In fact, they would give us information about you know,
they would typically send us this US Air Force fact sheet that is still up
there at the National Archives that says just that we're done with UFOs. We
did that in the past, we stopped doing that till in nineteen sixty nine,
you know, this complete stone wall. But this guy says that he
worked on a UFO investigation project. What so that was a big deal.
Soon after this happened, Leslie Kane was also in the know on this,
and she wrote an article for the Huffington Post. Then I actually interviewed her
at this time and we were I was like, what's with this guy?
And She's like, I don't know, and so we were really shocked,
and it didn't seem like a lot of people in the UFO community cared,
like, you know when this news came out, here's a prototoe, Well,
this is an example of something they want to do, which they still
want to do, which is to develop technologies based off of what have observed
when it comes to UFOs, And that was an image that they had released.
But I was like, WHOA Like this shocked kitty cat. But the
UFO community, man, there's some tough cookies. They were like, big
deal. And I get it when you're talking about Tom DeLong, I mean,
I think that was part of the issue. I get it how you
could doubt him because he's a rock star. But the credentials for all of
those people is remarkable. And not only that, people like Hew put off.
We've known him for a very long time. He's been a UFO investigator
and a scientist working in this arena. He's worked for Bob Bigelow all the
way back with the National Institute of Discovery Sciences. He's worked with of course
with Big Low Aerospace, the BASS Project, and going even further back.
If you knew anything about remote viewing, which probably many of you are interested
in. He ran that although he started that way back when, so how
someone we knew, how someone that some of us interacted with, so we
knew he went way back. Also Chris Mellan, Chris Leslie Kane had written
an article about Chris Mellon a year or so prior to this all happening.
He joined that UFO data group if you all remember that. Nothing really came
of it, but they were a group that was going to try to gather
more UFO information. He was obviously someone that was interested in the topic.
So it's not like everybody came out of nowhere, but many of them had.
Who are these guys? Nothing really hit the fan, so to speak.
In fact, the news might have gone unnoticed. There are a few
stories, but there really wasn't much going on regarding all of this, surprisingly
until this big Boy, The New York Times article that exposed everything, written
by Leslie Kane, Ralph Blumenthal, and Helene Cooper, and I know this
through interviews, but Leslie Kane was able to work with Ralph Blumenthal, both
of whom have written for The New York Times, and convince them to write
the story. They said they wanted Helene Cooper on with them because she was
the Pentagon. That was her beat. She wrote about the Pentagon, so
to make it true, to make sure that you know, everything was correct.
And the other benefit too with having someone like Cooper on that people would
it wasn't just a fact check and make sure the other UFO weirdos weren't doing
something weird. She's the one who's going to have all the sources, so
she's the one who's going to be at the Pentagon talking to people all day
every day, so she will know who to talk to in there, not
just to verify information, but to get them on the record. Or they
did have many unnamed sources to also verify, you know, and get people
on the record that yeah, yeah that's real. Well but I'm not going
to go on the record on that. So it served many purposes to have
her on there. So they all wrote this story revealing everything that was going
on with this program. The other thing that came out was this Washington Post
story on it the same day, and also this one from Brian Bender,
who I'm going to interview on Friday. Brian Bender works for Politico. But
here's something you probably didn't know unless you heard my interview with Brian. He
revealed something that was pretty important, and that is that Luise Elizondo and Chris
Mellan were shopping this story for a period of time before the articles came out.
So the way Brian puts it is that they came to him, no
doubt they were already working with Leslie Kane because that's who Chris Mellon works with.
But Leslie Kane can only get stories pretty much anytime she wants on Huffington
Post. Huffington Post is just not as big of a deal as of course
Politico or other Megage or other news outlets. So they had political on the
line, so they're like, Okay, you know, here's what we're doing.
We want to write a story on it. Brian said, yeah,
this looks interesting. I'll go talk to my sources and verify it. He
did. He talked to many people on the inside that told him, yeah,
Harry Reid wanted to start this program. We're like, whatever, just
I don't want nothing to do with it. It was essentially the gist of
what many of his insiders were telling him. So we verified this was real,
and he also knew about Chris Mellon and his credibility, so that also
was a big help. But essentially, Brian says, they cut him off.
They talked to him for a while, but they cut him off,
and he knows now it was because they got a bigger fish, Leslie Kane,
when she was able to confirm the New York Times was going to run
the story, they didn't need Politico anymore. Now, Brian Bender's not disappointed
about that, or he holds no grudge towards him at all. He's like,
that's business. That's the way it goes. He doesn't blame them whatsoever
for going with the bigger fish. And you know, it's not like he
was jumping on top of it and like this is mine and I got to
get this out now. He was kind of sitting on it and watching how
things develop. He admits that one she caught when that caught the word that
New York Times was about to post their story, he immediately called up his
editor and like, we have to post our story now. So they did
and got that out there. This is interesting for a couple reasons, and
actually we'll get into that here. I'm going to return to this slide.
But this slide is why I want to talk about it. It's a transition.
So here's lou Elizondo. He's the guy who ran this Pentagon program.
We found out what it was called a TIP Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
Harry Reid was the guy that started it. The New York Times article makes
a lot of claims, and people have questioned these claims, but the New
York Times doesn't mess around. They verify it like crazy. And this story
has withstood the test of time, despite the Pentagon Press and many others trying
to tear down the facts that they present, they the facts have held up.
One of those facts being that you know that Harry Reid was contacted by
a DIA agent who had talked with Robert Bigelow and they had gotten together and
decided they wanted Harry Reid to start this program, to try to talk him
into it, and Harry Reid said, yes. Harry Reid was in Las
Vegas, Nevada. Heu you know that was his state where he was a
senator of his Nevada. He knew Robert Bigelow already, and now we know
that he was friendly with Bigelow and they had an interest in the paranormal so
much so that Harry Reid would come to their meetings sometimes with Bigelow and get
updated on the paranormal stuff they were working on. So they already had that
friendship and shared interest. And so Harry Reid's the one who started this.
But here's what I'm going back to regarding the New York Times and the political
story that one, just in case you forgot that, Chris Mellen in this
story, Loue Alezando said he tried to get this information up the ladder.
He even knew Jim Mattis, the Secretary of Defense who he worked for.
Alessando worked in the OSD, the office for the Secretary of Defense. He
knew Jim Maddis, but he couldn't talk to him about UFOs because he wasn't
given permission to. And you do need permission to share any information with high
level people. Plausible deniability is the main reason. If they don't want their
person to have this information, then they can deny it. So, for
instance, if someone caught wind of this program, they could have gone to
Jim Maddis and said, hey, what's going on with you guys investigating UFOs?
And Jim Maddis could have said I don't know anything about us investigating UFOs,
and he wouldn't have been lying. So Lou could not get this up
there, and they didn't find it important enough. It seems that Chris Mellan
helped him to try to get it up the ladder. Chris has said this,
and so they tried to get this information to those upper levels and it
didn't work. So they decided let's go to the press. And there's a
whole strategy behind what they did, and we'll get into this because this is
really important too, all of this being information I haven't really shared before.
But so there was this whole plan to try to get this out there that
was being worked on that culminated in this New York Times story and more,
and we'll get into that. But what else was in that story. Well,
like we just saw, there were a couple of the videos for the
first time in the New York Times story. Some people might say, wait
a second, the DoD said they just released the those videos a few weeks
ago. No, not really. These videos came out in the New York
Times and they even addressed it that Lu said he went through the proper protocols
to get these released, so they're already out there. In fact, we
know now that the Air Force saw these videos out and did an investigation.
I think it's Roger Gassel or maybe even John Greenwald who got this information.
But the Air Force investigated, Oh no, I think it might have been
Tim McMillan. But they investigated were those videos classified? Was classified information shared
when it shouldn't have been? But in these Air Force documents their conclusion was,
and they state this, and this is important because the DoD had been
denying this point that a tip did indeed exist, that Loue Elizondo was in
charge of it, and that they were investigating UFOs. They're the ones to
release these videos. Thing in it was classified, nor did it they have
any concern about the release of those videos. So the Air Force investigated confirmed
all of that, some of which is being denied by the DoD to this
day. Goofballs. So these videos came out in the New York Times.
One of them was related to the nimits in her incident. I know many
of you are aware of it, but just in a nutshell for any viewers
who don't know about it, this is the case that happened in two thousand
and five, the uss nimens Strike Force off the coast of San Diego.
While they're doing training exercises, we're catching objects on radar that were doing weird
things like you know, flow to hovering at twenty five thousand feet and then
hitting the deck as they say it so flying to essentially ground level very quickly,
doing very weird things. During the training, Kevin Day, the radar
supervisor, was able to get them to scram or have a couple jets that
were training to go find out take a look at one of these objects.
The pilots that were the ones that went to go look, one of them
was Commander David Fraverer, essentially the highest ranking pilot in the entire strike group.
He went there with his wingman or wing woman in this case wing person,
and they went They saw some water that was bubbling. He said,
it almost looked like something had recently submerged. Something was going on like that.
He went lower to get a closer look. He saw this forty foot
large white tic tac shaped object. He said, when he went towards it,
it moved so it seemed to see him because it changed its position to
be aligned with him. He tried to kind of chase it, and it
was moving away from him. He tried to get in front of it and
boom, it took off at an incredible speed. It then went to the
cap point it's called, and this is a random meetup point that it's chosen.
Most of the people don't even know. It's programmed into their jets computers
to go to this rendezvous meet up point. And you're talking about miles and
miles and miles of water out there. So for this object to appear on
radar in an area that was known to them in all of that space,
the odds are pretty pretty low. So very interesting point there. So Fraver
comes back, tells his story, I chased this freaking thing. I don't
know what the hell it was. And one of the other pilots says,
I'm gonna go get video. I'm gonna get video on my infrared camera,
and yeah, right, you know, but he did. He did get
a video, and that's one of these videos. The other video that was
in the New York Times was from a later incident in twenty well, I
think now we know it's twenty fourteen. The dates a little questionable whether it
was thirteen, fourteen or fifteen right now, to be honest. In fact,
it's looking like it's thirteen according to the latest information. And this is
one of Leslie Kane's latest stories in the New York Times where she wrote about
it. Essentially, the Navy put out some UFO files and one of those
files, which we didn't all really know, is related to this view or
this sighting. She had told me that personally, and I only released that
on Twitter, so I think people don't realize that. But anyway, that's
what these videos were from. See guys, okay, Lou exercises good restraints.
Someone said, yes, he does. So the other person involved was
Bigelow, Like I had said, Bigelow Aerospace. So Robert Bigelow, Nevada
real estate guy. That's how he made all of his money in real estate.
This is a funny story. So in fact, I'm going to move
forward here. I'll come back to that building. But Robert Bigelow was a
real estate mogul, had a bunch of money that he made in real estate,
and then decided he wanted to get into a space program. Like Elon
Musk. He wanted to create a space program. So what did he do.
He went and started talking to NASA people. One guy said, Hey,
we've got a program here that I believe is really important and we're looking
for people to fund it. And so Robert Bigelow's that all go to the
meeting. He goes to the meeting, and you know, we've got representatives
from large corporations, Boeing, who knows who else, and they're asking for
them, Hey, help us with this project, help us fund this program.
And the program was to build take space balloons, but these are inflatable
habitats. So it makes a lot of sense. When you're launching a rocket
to go to the moon or into space, you only have a limited amount
of space and you only have a limited capacity of weight that you can take.
So the lighter and smaller you're whatever you're taking up there is better.
And so he devised, or these people had devise this idea of making these
habitats or spaces for people to work and live in inflatable, so they'd be
tiny in the rocket and can expand and be larger. It seems like a
great idea, and actually a lot of people over the last few years have
thought it was an excellent idea. Well, nobody wanted to fund the program,
so Robert Bigelow says, I'll buy it, and he bought the friggin
whole entire program. But I'm talking like this is a guy showing up buy
himself out of nowhere and saying I'll buy it. So immediately he had to
start big low aerospace, build a building, which is the building we are
just looking at here, hire people to do all of this, and that's
what he did. He hired a bunch of people, built this building,
made his little alien logo there and put his alien logo on there, and
started a space company. On the bottom left is a model of one of
the moon bases that he wants to build, and he had some conversations with
NASA about doing building one of those. And I can tell you this,
he's like a big deal with NASA. I've visited quite a few NASA facilities,
Johnson, others, and most of them have some sort of big low
display, including and I think it's it's the one in Alabama that has this
big display that you see right here or something similar to it. So yeah,
he's he's kind of a big deal with him. And he even launched
that photo right there is one of his objects, one of his you know,
inflatable habitats on the internationals Space Station. It's still there right now.
So sorry, I got a text. If I don't text my honey when
she sends me a message, she gets to really freaked out and I'll be
in big trouble. So I apologize. I had to pause. I wouldn't
pause this for anything but that because I don't want to get in trouble.
But yeah, that is on the International Space Station right now. Now.
This was a prototype, but it's something that has worked. They've determined,
yeah, this scene works great. It inflated. They use it for storage.
Now it's something that they think was cool. But Bigelow's also into UFOs
and aliens. He had the National Institute of Discovery Sciences, which was an
organization he funded and created in order to investigate the paranormal. And in the
bottom right hand corner here we see an interview that he had with sixty Minutes
where he told her there Lara Laura I think is her name, and you
know, she said, well, you're not afraid to share this kind of
stuff. He's like no, and he even said, you know, their
aliens are here and she said, well, you're not afraid to say that,
and he's like, no, I could give a damn. You know
that it was something very similar. I could give a damn that, he
said. So that's Robert Bigelow. We're going to get more into Robert Bigelow
too, So all of these people, because there's some really important connections between
all of these people. But here are some of the facts that we're in.
That New York Times story that a TIP was named the Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program. It ran from two thousand and seven to twenty twelve. According
to the DoD, Elizondo said, no, this program still exists to this
day. There are people running it now that took over for me. The
New York Times kind of left the story up. Well, Alessando says this,
but the DoD says this, So that was something that was in question
at the time. However, we do know, and in fact, just
recently, and we'll get into this in this latest news that just happened,
it has been confirmed that he was correct that that organization still does exist.
I know there's at least one friend of mine that's watching who has Karen's phone,
and Mrckinnie, you tell her I'm busy right now. She is persistent,
but yeah, so Alessando says it still continues, which has been confirmed.
Pretty Much everything Alexando said has been confirmed, even though many people called
him a liar. In the upper right, there were the two and frayed
videos from the jet Fighter that was released. Read and two other senators sponsored
the funding. So I should say it wasn't Read by himself that got the
program created. He actually went across the aisle, as they say, he's
a Democrat. He went to a couple of Republicans who helped him start this
program. And there was this claim too that Bigelow's building was modified to hold
material from a UFO that has turned out actually to be false now they think
about it. There was a false statement. I guess the building modification didn't
necessarily have anything to do with the material, but they did have material they
thought could possibly be or at least supposedly was from a UFO incident that they've
been investigating. And we've heard some about that, but not a whole lot,
to be honest. Of course, this story became huge. It was
all over the place, and fortunately David Fraber was going out into the media
to talk about it all over the place. Loue Elizondo too, and stories
like this were coming out. And here's where I'm talking about. The tipping
point had happened now, just like the Washington Post says, UFOs are suddenly
a serious news story and you can thank the guy from Blink one eighty two
for that. And of course this story was written in May thirtieth. It
doesn't say the year, but I know it was a year after a much
better story. Look at that December twenty seventeen. This is the day after
Tom announced its group. Howard Rockstar facilitated this disclosure of the DoD's UFO secrets
written by Aljantro Rojas. So I scooped the Washington Post a year before that,
But yeah, I mean if Tom wouldn't have so, Lou was working
on getting the story out, but Tom was kind of a vehicle to do
that. Tom was starting his organization with these guys, and so it was
kind of a perfect storm situation where they can all do this together and make
this happen. In fact, that's what delayed Tom. They wanted to try
to coordinate this with The New York Times coming out with the story as closely
as possible, and that's why Tom was delayed so much, and that's why
he couldn't start his group thirty to sixty days after the UFO Congress, like
he told us he was gonna do. He thought that at the time.
But then they're like, hey, let's hold up so we can release our
info. Then the New York Times story comes out and boom, we're looking
like some cool dudes, which they did. They changed everything, and that's
when finally people were like, all right, Alejandro, I guess you're not
such a butt head after all. I had it right. I don't know,
why do people doubt me? Why do people doubt me? I got
a lot of heat too, as people know over the years and even after
this, I got heat. And we'll get into that. Also, because
a lot of people were arguing those points, I better tell her I'm gonna
get more trouble. I am doing a live stream. I do a lot
of live streams. In fact, I did one just a little earlier with
Bryce Zabel on Den of Geek. So go check that out when you have
a chance. But here are the major players, A lot of the names
that are out there. Let's start in the upper right. This is a
name that many of us know, George Knapp, Klas Las Vegas I Team.
George Knapp is probably well in all of this. He's been one of
the most important people in shuttling information out to the public because he's very well
connected. He has known Bob Bigelow for many, many years. He's also
investigated Area fifty one. You know his actually Klas is responsible for I was
going to say, putting Area fifty one on the map even before for the
whole alien thing. They were the first ones to catch win of this and
interview engineers and some of the weirdness and super secretiveness going on out there.
And then in the late eighties, of course that's when this guy Bob Lazar
comes and says, hey, I worked out there Beck engineering alien spacecraft.
George really picked up that story and that made Area fifty one famous. So
is at the same time the most famous and the most secretive base both and
that's because George Napp. But George Napp knew all of these major players and
was working with them, so he knew where to go to get that information.
He knew Harry Reid of course as an investment, as a journalist in
Nevada. He would have had to talk to him and work with their office.
So that's what makes George really important. And we'll talk more about him
and just a little bit. But here's the other guy, doctor hal put
Off. Now I had mentioned him before, but here's the point. Doctor
put Off worked with Bigelow, but he also worked with the Stanford Research Institute
creating the remote viewing program. Why is that important. It's important because this
is a gentleman, a scientist who has always been into fringe sciences and trying
to push them forward as something credible that we need to look into. When
it came to remote viewing, he believed in the abilities of an alleged psychic,
Ingo Swan. They worked together, they studied him, him and his
colleague Russell targ and they figured one of the things that Ingo could do is
be able to kind of close his eyes and think about a place and see
some stuff that he shouldn't be able to know that he was able to go
there in his mind. It seemed somehow Ingo felt that he could teach others
how to do this. So they came up with protocols and they gave it
a term that is more scientific, you know, more stant remote viewing.
And they developed this into essentially a product that they sold the government that they
could do this remote viewing. This program, this remote viewing program lasted for
a very long time, and like the remote viewers will tell you, they
were busy with law enforcement and different agencies coming to them to remote view stuff.
Now, I've interviewed Joe McGonagall, who is allegedly the best remote viewer
at that time in that program, and he was only twenty percent accurate.
This should give you pause when you're listening to people who say the remote viewers
the best are about twenty percent accurate. So why was the program such a
big deal? I asked, and why were people coming to you? And
he said this, which makes a lot of sense. If you're a law
enforcement person and you're sitting on a cold case, twenty percent is better than
zero percent because you've gone nowhere, your case has gone cold, you don't
know where to look. Go to a remote viewer. They can hopefully give
you some clues, and you know, at least you got a twenty percent
chance of solving this case rather than zero. So that was what was really
important. So how put Off has been doing this for a very long time.
Then he goes to work for Bigelow, and then and he becomes part
of this project. And so he's been working at this and successful now over
the years. The bottom right you see the National Institute of Discovery Sciences,
which I mentioned before, which was the original Robert Bigelow organization. Now to
the bottom left. This is kind of interesting. When I first started doing
this talk, this was more controversial what I'm going about to tell you than
it is now because more information has come out. But I am one of
the few people that was in many of the meetings not to create this relationship,
but to implement the relationship, and that is a relationship between Big Low
Aerospace and the Mutual UFO network. It was a short, I think ten
month period where Bigelow was going to give fund movefund to do quick investigations,
to be able to fund them, to actually investigate, have people who are
paid full time boots that can get boots on the ground quickly, have the
equipment, and then he would do the research should there be any research to
be done. Now, at the time, we thought this relationship was just
with Big Low Aerospace. Little did we know and this was two thousand and
nine. Little did we know that this was funded by the government and by
the Pentagon. This was part of a tip because big Low was the one
hired. Big Low Aerospace was hired to essentially run the a tip investigations in
research. And to me, it makes per perfect sense. If I got
a million dollars or twenty million dollars and I'm told go for it, you
can investigate UFOs, one of the first things I'd probably do is go to
move on and say, hey, guys, you already have this network and
everything. Let's utilize that to see what we can do. It didn't work
out, and I'll share you my perspective as to why. But I think
to me that makes perfect sense. Now. Some of the criticisms where that
Bigelow was getting information that no one else was getting, that's not really true.
There's a lot of transparency, especially at that time. At that time,
the database for the field investigators was very new. If you had a
field investigator log and you could see everything, and it doesn't take much.
You don't even have to meet anybody to become a field investigator. You buy
the book, you study it, you take a test, boom you've got
your login and you've got access. So everybody had access to everything. So
people saying, oh, big lutics, No, he'd had as much access
as we all have. Not only that, people were like, oh,
but those cases they looked at were secret. No, I've written stories about
them. In fact, I was going to say, you can find them
on the Open Mind's TV website, but it's down right now. Hopefully I'll
have it up tomorrow or the next day. But the Open Mind's TV I
printed the best cases and this is I work with the guy in charge of
this team, the Star team, Richard Lang, to write those stories,
and you know, I work with them closely during this whole period of time.
And so I was given and I didn't. I wasn't given any special
Some people said, why did you guys give all the handro all this information?
Well, because I asked, and they would have given it to anybody
that asked. And I was even told, well, you know, some
people might be concerned if you write about these because they might think we're giving
you special access. And I'm like, are you like, if someone else
called, would you give them the infhone? They're like, yeah, of
course we would. So I wasn't given none of us were given special access
to anything. He wasn't buying the files to go hide them off or anything.
There's a lot of at least transparency as far as the move On files
and the move On data and information. Bigelow has always been fairly secretive,
There's no doubt about that, and they rarely do share much of their findings
and they don't have a lot of good pr to be honest. But why
did it break down? My take on that we at mofon were a volunteer
organization. There were cases where Bigelow's like, get some boots on the ground,
we need people out here now, and the closest person was one hundred
miles away and they couldn't get there till Tuesday, their next day off,
which is five six days away. That's the nature of move On. It's
a volunteer organization where everybody's trying their best when they have time to do it,
when they don't have to. You know, they're not getting calls from
their honey when they're to work the to do list, you know, when
they're not taking care of their kids, when they're not working on a hobby,
working out at the gym, whatever else we all got in our lives.
When we have time, we work on it. And as many of
you probably agree, it's hard to find time in your life for different things
like your hobbies and stuff. So that's really at the root of the breakdown.
It wasn't a professional corporate environment. This was a hobbyist type of thing,
and I know we all take it more seriously than the hobby, but
it's in that group more so than an engineering research organization or a law enforcement
organization. And so there were breakdowns, and there was also disagreements over money
and things like that between the state or the international director James carry On,
who was very good, I felt, but eventually that led to fights where
Carrion left and the whole program broke down. Now on the far left,
you see Harry Reid. We've already talked about him, but like I said,
he had been friends with big Low, so he was getting information about
all of this. And then doctor coolem Kellahar, who you see up in
the upper left. He's also important because he's been the head scientist for all
the paranormal stuff for Robert Bigelow. And we'll talk more about him in a
second too. Let me get back here. See if there's questions, Oh,
somebody, Carl Anderson's talking about remote viewing. Right. He also said,
answer her not worth dying for? Well, probably right, I'm gonna
risk it, okay. George Knapp, George NAP's really important. He's important
to this story because he's released the most important data post the New York Times,
I think, not all of it, but the vast majority. He's
an award winning journalist. He's got like a couple dozen awards, tons of
awards. He's the guy, like I said, who made Area fifty one
famous. He also wrote a book with doctor Kella harr and I thought I
had it listed there, but it's The Hunt for the skin Walker. So
one of the things that Bigelow researched was this ranch. You guys probably all
know this in Utah that allegedly has a bunch of paranormal but there will be
some people watching this who don't know. That's why I'll review it. And
you know, there's supposedly a lot of paranormal stuff going on there. We'll
talk some more about that in a little bit. And so him and keller
Hard wrote a book about it. Some of the breaking news, the USS
Nimitz leaked one of the documents that I think is extremely important that really doesn't
get enough press. And if you're not aware of this document, you really
need to download it and keep it on hand, because it is a document
that is a summary of the Nimits encounter. And according to everybody assumed,
oh, it had to be somebody's in Bigelow's organization. No. George Knapp
said it was a military document. It doesn't look like typical military, but
that's what he claimed. Luis Alsondo has told me that it is it was
written by the military for the military, that it wasn't bats and that's the
only description he's given me is by the military for the military. Why is
it incredible because it not only outlines the what had happened with witness accounts and
many witnesses, to radar people, jet fighter pilots, all of these people,
but it also goes on to speculate. It says there was a submarine
in the water. The sub did not detect anything in the water like what
David Faber saw under the UFO, but it also speculates that this could have
been an object that submerged into the water that the tic TAC came out of
that's possible. I can't remember what else, but it's got some really interesting
speculation in there. George Knapp also told us about how Harry Reid fought for
funding. He had to. It was a really hard time to get the
project. He also said the Pentagon project studied more than just ufbo's So I
think that's what we're getting into now. Yeah, it is so and the
Pentagon so all of these things. What does it mean fought for funding Pentagon
project. Here's what it means. So this is what people still don't A
lot of people still don't get. George Knapp revealed that it wasn't that twenty
million dollars that The New York Times talked about to go to a tip was
not just for a tip. It was actually to go towards this company called
the or this program that was called the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Program AWSAP,
and it ran from two thousand and seven to twenty eleven. That's what the
program was slated for. And here's the wild stuff. Do I have a
slide for the wild stuff? Not really, we'll get into it. So
I'll just explain it to you. Because this is good. Some of you
may know this, especially if you've written read my articles, because I try
to highlight this in several different articles. But the first program, the program
to get the twenty million dollars, was AWSAP. How did this get started?
Well, we don't have the full story. Here's the full story that
George Knapp was able to reveal, and I think he revealed a lot of
this for the first time in my interview with him on Open Minds Radio.
In fact, I was in at a conference at Devil's Tower in the lobby.
I think Lee Spiegel was there and I was in the lobby doing this
interview. So it was actually the Skinwalker Ranch that prompted the creation of this
program, and it was much more than just UFOs. It was regarding all
practically every paranormal phenomena. So how it started is that DIA agent that was
talked about in the New York Times article. He didn't just visit with Bigelow.
He actually said, Hey, I want to go visit the Biglow the
Skinwalker Ranch. How did he know about it? So the Skinwalker Ranch was
purchased in the nineties by Robert Bigelow and they began their investigations. I'll talk
a little bit more about some of the rumors and stuff about the Skinwalker.
Well, I guess because I have some pictures here. So if you don't
know about Skinwalker, you've got to read the book Hunt for the Skinwalker.
That's what it looks like with coin Killerhart and George Knapp. There's also been
a documentary out called Hunt for the Skinwalker by Jeremy Corbel. But some of
the weirdness ads happened there. For instance, this is a pin. A
lot of people know this story. I know a lot of you know it.
But there was just lots of weird stuff that would happen. So they
had, for instance, these giant wolves that would come around. There was
a time where this giant wolf came around and they're petting it like that's what
they called it. They said it was humongous and they were petting this thing.
But then it went over and I think it was to these rails and
they grabbed one of their cabs heads. So they were freaked out. They
tried to get it to stop. They're hitting it, it wouldn't stop.
They start shooting it with the gun. It doesn't flinch. They take out
a larger gun and shoot it. A piece of flesh goes flying off,
and finally this thing's like eh and walks away. They follow it, and
they follow it to there was no blood, and they follow it to where
princes disappeared. It was gone. They don't know what happened to this thing,
but they would see these things in the distance. They had cattle mutilations.
They had, you know, in this pin. They had just boughten
a bunch of huge bulls and they were you know, in their their pin
there, and the ranchers went away and came back and the bulls were gone.
They're freaked out because they spent a lot of money to buy them,
and they the rancher goes over to look to see if you can figure out
what happened, and it turned. He opens the door, not this one,
because that one it was a different at the door on the left here
or now. The door in the left is the one that's closed. It's
the one that has that thing in front of it. He looks in the
door and they're all in there, and they're completely silent, but they get
startled by him looking in there, and they push their way out. They
break the stuff down like I guess they destroyed a bunch of stuff and it
was just this crazy thing. And in the video you could see it wouldn't
be easier for them to get up there, but they saw balls of light.
In fact, this is what finally did it in for the family.
They're dogs who of course everybody loves their dogs, but they were really afraid
for them, so they'd bring them in at night because so much weird stuff
was happening. Well, one time they saw these orbs floating around the dogs
chase them. They heard a weird noise like a yelp, but they didn't
venture out at night, so they had to wait the next day. During
the light. They go out there and they find like these grease spots and
they never see their dogs again. They feel like maybe they're dogs were destroyed
or something, so they're done. At this point, they sell it to
the Bigelow and the rest is history. So a lot of weird stuff going
on here, but during these investigations, Bigelow didn't want anybody sharing it.
Even though George Knapp was aware of what was going on, he was not
allowed to write or share that information at all, but he was allowed to
film, so he would film in order to do news pieces on the Skinwalker
Ranch, but Bigelow would not let him do it. So in this documentary
right here, Hunt for the Skinwalker, you actually get to see some of
that footage that George Knapp had filmed way back in the day. Finally,
in around two thousand and two, the paranormal phenomena had subsided. There wasn't
much going on, so finally at this point George Knapp is allowed to write
this book with Colm Kallahar. It becomes huge and just as big Low feared,
a bunch of people try to come to the Skinwalker Ranch. That's why
he didn't want any publicity, and it got fairly famous, so he didn't
want that to happen. But one of the people who read the book was
this DIA agent and he actually said, I want to come visit the ranch.
So he does. They allow him, and they didn't allow many people,
but they allowed this DIA Defense Intelligence Agency officer to come do that.
Well. Allegedly, this officer had his own paranormal experience right from the get
go, with the first day that he got there, which is rare because
some people have been there for a long time have not had their own paranormal
experience, and so he's really freaked out by this paranormal experience. He didn't
share what that experience was, but now it's out there. But essentially he
could see only at his vantage point, some kind of elliptical kind of a
infinity, kind of eight symbol type of thing that somehow morphed And I don't
know the full story, to be honest, but it really shocked him and
he was really an important personal experience. So he went to Harry Reid.
He said, I had a paranormal experience out there. I know, you
know, paranormal stuff is going on out there, Harry Reid, we need
to investigate as the United States government. Harry Reid said, yeah, you're
right, let's do this. So they started the project to investigate all the
paranormal. However, they ran into trouble very very quickly, and this is
why Harry Reid had to struggle to protect it and everything which was it was
the religious organizations. So there are very religious people in the government. We
know this, you know, you hear from some of the evangelicals and stuff
that are in there, but they don't like the paranormal. They feel it's
from the devil. So they are so influential that they got this program killed
as soon as it started. Essentially, so what happened was that they had
seen that the Christians, the Evangelicals were not going to put up with a
paranormal research organization. It just wasn't going to happen. They saw they were
going to get squashed. Incidentally, this is what happened to how put Off's
remote viewing program. It got squashed because of religious fundamentalists. They didn't want
the remote viewing to have a budget, and they got it squashed. That's
why it stopped, not because people weren't finding it useful or getting results.
It was a religious faction. So here they are back at it again.
How put Off and others are doing more of their crazy devil stuff. We
got to shut it down, and so they did see that, well,
maybe we can spin off a subset of our organization. We'll call it a
TIP, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, and we'll just look at military
UFO cases. Hopefully they'll leave us alone if we do that, because the
rest is going to die on the vine, and it did. They were
exactly right when they did separate this a TIP group they brought in Lou Alizondo.
Lou Alezondo ran this program. In fact, the program was in the
DIA, he moved it over to OSD where he was and so that's what
a tip was. I asked Leslie Kane, why didn't you cover that in
the New York Times article? And she said, well, we interviewed Lou
Alezondo. He didn't tell us about that. He only told us about a
tip, and that makes sense. I asked Lou, is that true?
And Lou said, yeah, all I knew was a tip. I wasn't
part of that earlier stuff. I was part of a tip. So I
just told her about a tip and that's what they've ran with. So there's
the true paranormal history of this organization that not a lot of people know about.
That was how it became from the beginning. Some of the people involved
with the project. This is just a video from Colonel John Alexander. He
helped Bigelow establish NIDS and we have actually our most watched video is Colonel Alexander
talking about some of his experienced experiences at the Skinwalker ranch. So you can
go check out our Open Minds TV video. But there's another gentleman Oh,
here's the case. He talked about where these poles. They had this security
video out there, and you know, something was ripping the cameras off the
poles, and they even had a camera looking at the pole and they couldn't
figure out what the heck was going on. But doctor Davis, this is
the next part that we'll talk about. Doctor Davis is one of the NIDS
guys, and he's also part of os APP. He's important and for many
reasons. Right now you probably hear about him a lot, especially with this
alleged meeting he had with an Admiral Wilson that some UFO people are talking about
quite a bit. But he supposedly is like a magnet for the paranormal.
He had a lot of the paranormal experiences. In fact, he says,
for instance, one of the most famous ones, he was up on a
ridge with another researcher. He had like these binoculars and he looks down into
the valley below them. They see something bright and shiny. He said.
It grew and grew and grew until it looked like some kind of portal,
and some kind of creature crawled out of it into the forest. Now,
this is about two o'clock in the morning and these guys are up on this
ridge at night. Very scary experience. So supposedly he had other experiences like
that. But he's one of the scientists that worked with NIDS and Bigelow and
actually also worked with to the Stars, but I guess he's not anymore.
He worked with how Put Up Help Put have had a company that Davis worked
for. In that company, I guess is no longer. But yeah,
that's how that all started. Wild Huh, what did I think? I
mean, let's see, So here's the movie that you can see came out
in September twenty eighteen, made My Jeremy Corbel. There's Jeremy and I in
Utah. I think Stacy. If you're still watching, you know Stacy Wright
was out there with us. She's a head of Arizona. Move on.
It was super cold out there, but yeah, he was talking about his
film out there. So that's kind of the background and who all these people
are. But we're going to get more into it because there's been news.
Headlines have to come out since all of this, and these headlines are really
important as to how these things came about. This one's important just because it
turned out that they're you know, out of those three videos, we've only
talked about one. The other two were from incidents between It turns out to
be like between maybe twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen. The dates are a little
fuzzy with people, but with the new information, it seems like it started
in twenty thirteen. But the Roosevelt are the Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group off of
the East coast between like Virginia and Florida. They were doing exercises and they
started experiencing things similar to the nimits. They were catching weird radar returns and
in one case, you know, they really took it seriously when some kind
of object had zipped right in between a couple f eighteens. But they were
able to cap sure objects on video twice. And this is where the other
two videos come from. You know. The History Channel, of course,
ran a television program called Unidentified that covered some of this and what was revealed
because it was about to the Stars. It was about a tip really and
the to the Stars investigations. But here's what resulted. Here's the Politico story.
Brian Bender, who we talked about earlier, who broke helped break the
story in the beginning with The New York Times. He broke this story that
the US Navy was drafting new guidelines for reporting UFOs. So the Navy was
very positive about this. They came out and said, yes, those videos
are ours, and we take UFOs very seriously. In fact, we are
going to draft new guidelines for UFOs. So that was one of the first
stories that came out that was really big. Here's another one. This was
written by the war Zone and this is guy's been really important, Tyler Roguaway.
This is a This website is owned by Times Magazine or the Times Corporation.
It was started called The Drive, so it was about cars and stuff
like that. But they also started a defense chapter or section of the website
called the war Zone, where day in and day out they cover defense.
They cover especially the objects, meaning the aircraft. So they carried the jets
of the aircraft that are in wars. And here's a story, an important
story he wrote in May of twenty nineteen, multiple F eighteen pilots disclosed recent
UFO counter encounters. New radar tech key in detection, and the reason he
brought this up is that both the Knimits and the Roosevelt when they began having
these incidents, were testing out or implementing new radar systems. Does that have
something to do with it? But some people got in the UFO field get
really upset. Are you trying to say that you know they're misidentifying blah blah
blah blah blah. He's kind of is. He's not saying that's the case.
He's just asking the question. And I think we have to, you
know, give him credit for doing the research, but also see things from
his perspective. This is a guy who works with the military on the regular
basis, and now these UFO stories are coming out, it's his job to
try to figure out what the heck is this. He's a tech expert,
and if you look in his articles, he's very clear about the technology that
is observed in these incidents and how it is technology that if any human has
it, it's a huge big deal. If this is a black project,
that is a big deal. And he's making that point. So he's trying
to figure out could it be And the one hand, what could it be?
It couldn't be something extraordinary. On the other hand, it might be
something that's ours, but it can't be. How can we have something like
that? And that's the struggle we see going on in his mind, which
is also the struggle going on in many people's minds who are trying to take
this seriously but trying to make sense of it, especially tech guys, scientists,
engineers, you know, trying to make heads or tails of all of
this. At least he's brave enough to write about it and put these stories
out, and sure he proposes could it be this? But at the same
time, if you read his stories, he says, maybe, but probably
not, because there's no way it could have been X, Y or z.
Even the President said he was briefed on sightings. So you'll notice that
this all came out this was an important period of time a year ago.
Coincidentally, hmm. June fifteenth, twenty nineteen, Trump says he was briefed
on navy sightings on UFOs. Essentially, he says, he even says,
right here to think whatever they think. I did have one very brief meeting
on it. But people are saying they're seeing UFOs, Do I believe it?
Not? Particularly President doesn't really care about UFOs. It doesn't seem like
but he says he was briefed and sure, if they want to look into
UFOs they can, of course, he said more recently, but I don't
think it's significant personally. Some people do, but I don't see it.
Senators get classified briefing on sightings. Another Brian bore Bender story. This one
came out four days after the last one, where he breaks the story that
senators got a classified briefing on UFOs. He even mentioned Senator Mark Warner.
There's another story. I think it's coming up soon. But Senator Mark Warner
wrote a letter to the Navy saying, hey, I want to know more
about this, and they kind of said, don't worry about it. Don't
worry about it. Here's another Roquaway story. Recent UFO encounters with pilots occurred
constantly across multiple squadrons. This is why we need these mainstream media people.
This is why they're so important and why I'm so thrilled that they're involved with
this because they have the connections. Roguaway is talking to pilots on a regular
basis now that this UFO stuff is out. He's like, hey, by
the way, what do you think of these UFOs? And a lot of
people are saying, oh, yeah, I see those UFOs. Notice this
is June twentieth, the day after the last article, just to say how
compact and frequent this news is. So yeah, all these people are saying,
yeah, we're seeing these UFOs. Big deal. You know, I'm
a jet fighter pilot. We chase UFOs. That's what we do. Haven't
you seen Independence Day? They didn't really say that, but you know,
he found there's a lot of people claiming that they were seeing these things.
Here's the Mark Warner story. He's upset Navy is withholding data on UFO sightings.
This one September twenty nineteen. So Mark Warner one of those I think
he's in the house. Yeah, he's a rep. He wrote that letter
that I said, and they blew him off. They said, I don't
worry about it. We report to the Intelligence Committee. Is essentially what he
said. What they told him, and he was upset with it. He's
like, they're hiding stuff and they're not giving me the info that we want.
But he doesn't seem to have followed up on it. Again, this
is Brian Bender. Again. We wouldn't have these stories if some of these
media people weren't taking an interest in writing these stories for us. Thank goodness
for these mainstream media people. I'm telling you people. Here's another one.
This is from September twenty nineteen. So a little bit later, the US
Navy just confirmed these videos are the real deal. This is what's funny.
So the Navy confirms that these videos are real. Yet it's not until about,
you know, nine months later, that the DoD says, oh,
yeah, we released these videos for the first time. No you didn't,
they've been out. I'll get more into that in a second right here.
Actually, this is a great story from Tyler Rogerway. Another excellent piece.
This is more recent April twenty sixth, twenty nineteen, and I'm going to
do a live stream on this topic, so I implore you to watch.
But he says, what the hell is going on with UFOs and the Department
of Defense? And I'll give you a nutshell. You guys probably already know
it. I've lost a friend over the Department of Defense and their BS.
So let me tell you the story. So I've been good friends with John
Greenwald of the Black Vault for a long, long, many years, and
in fact, we all kind of had a working relationship. He would come
across something good on UFOs and he would say, hey, Alejandro just came
across something good. He would let me know what was up. I would
write a story on it, and you know, because he usually would release
kind of an analysis and the document that they're lengthy, and I would write
this concise story on putting it in history and everything, and that's how we
work together. Well, all of this comes along and he's like, I
don't know. I don't buy these a tip guys, I don't buy this
Louel Azondo, he's lying to us. All the facts don't match up.
And he was talking with the d D and the DD was telling him,
no, none of this is true. They said, Louelzando didn't work for
a tip, that a tip didn't investigate UFOs. The first thing they said
about the videos were that the DoD had nothing to do with the videos.
Now, the DoD is a the Department of Defense, which is out of
the Pentagon. So you hear these kind of terms intermingled, You'll hear DD,
and you'll hear Pentagon intermingled, because usually when you refer to the Pentagon,
you mean the Department of Defense. Because that's where they're headquartered. However,
those are also terms for the entire military organization, all the military.
That's who the DoD and the Pentagon represent the entire military, every branch.
So for the DoD to say we don't have anything to do with it,
that would imply the Navy doesn't have anything to do with it. The Navy
has obviously come out and said no, those videos were real. So the
DODS really pushed back and essentially defamed Louel Alesando said everything he said was a
lie, and it's really unfortunate. Now John Greenwald believed them. He's like,
well, they're telling me this. They got to be right. This
is the official thing, and Loue Alexander's a liar and I would tell him
no. I mean, I've talked to the guy. I've also talked to
other major players. It's not the case. And here's what some people didn't
understand in the journalism field. And Brian Bender put really well when I interviewed
him. You go to your sources. That's where you go and get information.
Hopefully you'll be able to get some people on the record, but that's
where that's where you're going to get the people who know. For instance,
who are the people who would know in this case whether or not Alexando was
telling the truth. Well, you would Harry Reid, who's very credible,
he's a senator, he's the guy who started the dang project. He would
know the people who worked under the project, such as doctor Putoff, doctor
Davis, Robert Bigelow himself. You know, these are all the people who
would know, all of whom we're confirming what Aleszondo had said. And I'm
sorry, but they're gonna know better than a press officer who's you know,
way way away, very far away from this whole everything, and may not
even have access to the information. So typically, in fact, the way
Brian Bender puts it, he rarely does boys because if I've got to do
a foya, then it's a waste of time for me because I'm not going
to get that information anytime soon. So that's going to be maybe a story
in another month or two. I'm working on my story right now. So
that's why you develop sources, and you go to the sources, people on
the inside who would have the no and in this process you talk to those
people. For instance, Brian Bender, in his process, he may talk
to a dozen people to confirm a story, but only two or three go
on the record and their quotes make it into the story. That's the way
this works. So that's why all the media people, George knapp, Leslie
Kane, Brian Bender, they were all saying loose telling the truth, and
all the people we talked to seems to be right. Those press people for
the DoD seem to be way off their rocker. They're totally talent it wrong
and so some people like John, We're getting upset with all those people and
myself saying why are you buying all this when the DD is saying he's lying.
Well, it's like because we've confirmed this with first hand sources. So
that's why. And they've been really weird. So they have gone back and
forth, whether a tip is UFOs or not, whether low works for the
government or not, whether a tip continued or not. They continued to say,
No, it ended in twenty twelve. No, it ended in twenty
twelve. It's true that the funding for the project ended in twenty twelve,
but the program did not end in twenty twelve. In fact, recently,
in interviews with Roger Gassel, the Department of Defense has admitted that the there
are research organizations looking into incursions. The way they put it into military airspace,
you know, they're implying these UFOs. Then, when pinned down more
directly, Roger told, yes, we do have a UAP and Unidentified Aerial
Phenomena group. They are multi agency looking into this topic. That's what Alessando
told us from the beginning, So that came to be true too. What
about this story we're looking at here with Tyler Rogaway. What's so interesting about
this story is Tyler writes about his interactions with the DoD and he says,
I work with these pios, the press, the public relations officer. No,
I forget the name, I'm saying it wrong, but anyway, it's
the press officers. Somebody will probably correct me. Oh, I got about
thirty minutes. But anyways, they had been telling him that, you know,
they had not been They were blowing Tyler off when he was asking about
UFOs. He's like, look, I work with the press people in the
military on a daily basis. Never do I have a problem working with them
or getting information or them getting back to me. But when it comes to
the UFO thing, they're freaking weird. He puts the whole history. They
say they're going to get back to me, then they don't. They apologize,
oh, we're sorry, we lost it in the shuffle, but then
it keeps happening. And so he did a very good job job documenting how
weird that was. And this is what's even more concerning. Lately, there's
been some emails to come out to show that the press person for the DoD
who has been mucking up everything and been completely interaccurate. Her name is Susan
go or GoF, I'm not sure how to say it, it's gou Gh.
She has told all the other agencies that they need to go through her
whenever they're asked about UFOs now, including FOYA documents, which is weird because
FOYA is different than the public relations people, so that shouldn't be a public
relations person who now you have to go through to get the whole idea between
FOYA is you request a document, they send you the document. There's no
spin or cleansing that's supposed to happen from some press agent. But now she's
saying it has to go through me, and they've all said, okay,
we'll let it all go through you. So the most inaccurate person is the
one that all this information has to go through. Now the person that Tyler
Rogaway is writing about. Why we can speculate. But I think it's just
obvious people. They were not happy, and it kind of makes sense.
I wrote this tweet today that Alezondo totally usurped the way that this information is
supposed to come out, and he did. He went to his superiors to
try to get the information or up the line. They didn't want any of
it. So he decided, Okay, then I'm leaving and I'm feeding this
stuff to the press, which he did, and he's been very successful.
In fact, let's talk about it right here. Here's the big story from
yesterday. Senators want the public to see the government's UFO reports. So what
has happened is the Senate Intelligence Committee, headed by Marco Rubio, has written
in their bill regarding you know, Senate intelligence issues, funding issues, that
they want a report and here's where they want to report from. This is
really interesting. They want to report from the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force headed
up by the Office of Naval Intelligence OHNI. What so Lou worked in OSD.
That's where his group was brought to but now it's headed up and overseen
by the Navy. Obviously the Navy had these issues. But you may be
thinking, well, that's only one group. How do we know that this
is the only group out there. They were clear, we want to know
and hear get a report from every UAP research group or people looking into UAPs
in every agency, including the FBI. So it's very comprehensive. It's only
two pages, but they want this report from everybody. They don't want anybody
left out of this report. You can go read it in this story or
it's all ablaze on Twitter. What they asked for is there essentially, and
this is how Chris Mellen has put it. He when asked on Twitter in
the last couple of days that they're upset. The Senate is saying, why
we're not at the Senate Intelligence Group? Who is exactly who? Mark Warner
you know, was told, well, we're giving information to Senate Intelligence so
you don't have to worry about it. The intelligence committees are who we talked
to. But the Senate Intelligence community or committee is saying, why didn't we
know about this? How come? Why do we have to read about this
in the New York Times. We should have been briefed on this at some
point, but you kept it from us. And that's what Lou was trying
to do, is get that information up the ladder, getting everybody in the
know that this is a real phenomena. This is really something we need to
think about. So talk about vindication. This is major vindication for Lou Elizondo,
who has had a tough road to go. You know, the UFO
community was really negative and really you know, not nice to him when he
came out. He thought they were going to be overjoyed because he wanted to
just share UFO stuff with everybody, and that that wasn't the case. Luckily,
that's changed over time and now people are much more receptive to hear what
he says, but not everybody. I still get harassed by people, what
that dark journalist guy. I don't know some of who's a friend who harasses
me. Jimmy Church, but I went on his show and I say him
straight. They just don't have all the information in some cases, That's how
I feel it was with Jimmy Church. But people who are still questioning some
of this stuff that's well established and from many different angles we've been able to
confirm, you know, a lot of this information. So he's had a
tough row, but finally we've got vindication in this. Now this report is
not They're asking this report to be submitted in March of twenty twenty one,
and this bill has not passed yet. Brian Bender keeps an eye on this
stuff. That's his job. He says, nobody has complained about this yet,
so it's very possible it'll go through, But once it leaves the Senate,
it needs to be approved by the House, and then it needs to
be approved by the President. So we'll see if it makes it. And
then even if it does make it, they have until March of twenty twenty
one to write this. However, all hope is not lost. And you
know what, I'm gonna share something new with you because this is the end
and it's about this. So there is a guy online who has been tweeting.
He's obviously an insider. James Graywood was a tweet that he was using
that I'm referring to in particular, and he outlined for me what he feels
is going on, and I think he's exactly correct. He's essentially telling me
what Chris Mellon's strategy was Chris Mellon's strategy was this he says, and I
think he's right, and you'll see this born out in what has happened.
That their plan when they package that media package him and Lou and they went
to Brian Bender and Leslie Kane to try to get this story out there.
It was the intent was to make a big splash, That's what they wanted
to do, which they did, and do what Lou was trying to do
in the beginning, get the attention of everybody out there that, look,
this is a real program. Then the idea is to and maybe the DoD
knew this and this is why they were fighting it. Then the idea is
to let me come face to face with you guys, hopefully you don't mind.
The idea was to get the DoD to admit that this program exists.
And that is really important because then once they admit that the program exists,
it gives us our own legal tool as citizens of the United States to seek
information about these programs that we didn't know about and we're being denied existed at
all. But not only us, it gives our representatives in Washington d c
the opportunity to say, hey, why didn't we know about this? We're
supposed to know about this, which is exactly what's happening. Brian Bender wrote
that article that these guys were briefed a year ago. This isn't something new,
This is something that these politicians have been working on. Mark Warner obviously
is interested in They're interested in this topic. So they've rolled into this bill
that we want this report. Let's say it doesn't make it for some reason.
I think the evidence exists that this program was so successful, you know
Mellon's plan, that there is a lot of momentum in DC to get answers
about UFOs and about what they found and what they've been doing. So I
don't think even if this question gets taken off of the bill, it's not
going to stop them. They're asking questions now. The ball's rolling and there's
a lot of people ask what are to the stars doing. I know for
a fact, because luckily I do get to talk to Lou sometimes, Chris
not really, but some of the others, and they this is where they've
been working. They've been in DC. You can see on social media they've
been in DC a lot they're in DC, asking questions, trying to get
answers about what's going on and that because that's what they want. So this
is a good thing. This is really exciting. There's a lot going on
behind the scenes that we just don't see, but it's all advocacy for this
topic. That's why it's so important right now that we act and work in
a professional manner that we try to shuttle information in a credible manner, information
that is substantiated, because that's only going to open doors. Let's say I'm
not as conspiratorial some of you will know. I'm not, as you know,
definite on some of the more fringy sort of topics in this field.
But if you really want to get some of that information out there, the
way to open doors is to first gain their trust by feeding some substantiated,
credible information. Those people don't know about Washington, DC in nineteen fifty two
and that the blue Book. You know, leadership, we're at Reagan Airport.
They took over the tower at Reagan Airport in July nineteen fifty two and
to try to see a UFO encounter and got a front seat to one of
the most incredible UFO encounters very similar to the Nimtz situation. Scramble jets,
these things out maneuvered jets. They don't know about some of this stuff.
They don't know that every country has been having these things happen to them.
They don't care about UFOs. UFOs haven't been on their radar until now.
So things have changed people. It's a big deal, and we need to
change too. You don't have to, but what I'm saying is that some
of us do. Some of us need to be even more careful than we
have been before, people like Leive Spiegel, who has been embedded in mainstream
media for many years. You know, we just have to be more careful
these days on how we do things if we want to remain credible and keep
this field credible and everything going forward. A couple other points I want to
make is that I think that it would make sense that Chris Mellen did have
a strategy going into this, and it looks like his strategy is paying off
in spades at this point. They've created a ton of momentum. I think
it's a really important point that Loue Elizondo has been so indicated as much as
he has. You know, the Tim mcmill and I interviewed the other day
and he said Susan Go told him something like, oh, she couldn't confirm
whether Alezanda worked in a tip or or what he did, because he's been
retired now for so long. What they obviously don't want to speak to this,
and there's something funny going on there, hopefully, and I'm hearing we
will find out a little bit more about that because there are some rocks that
have been turned over, and there are some skeletons in some closets, so
there will be more information coming out that way. And there has been a
shakeup regarding all of that, and there is a battle going on that we
don't even see regarding all of this. So at the same time, you
know they've been We've got some really strong advocates in Washington when it comes to
Louise Elizando and Chris Mellen, and we don't even know who these other ones
are. Now I'm going to go ahead and answer some questions. So let's
see, Alejandro, do you think Mattis is or will be involved with this
in some way? I would guess that he now is being able to get
information. I don't know if he's reached out to Louise Elisondo, but hopefully
he has. But I would guess that he is now getting some information.
What he'll do with it, we don't know. He's now a private citizen,
so we'll see. Maybe he'll get interviewed about it at least at some
point. Do you think treaties exist between aliens and governments. I do not
personally believe that. I don't. I just personally don't feel that. I
feel that the government is in dark about a lot of this, just like
everybody else. And not to say that they don't have more information. They
obviously do. They definitely do, but it doesn't mean they are able to
make headritch tales of it. And it doesn't mean that any visiting, you
know, people should that be what's going on, would care about our government
or what they would have to say. They couldn't be just doing their own
thing without any sort of I don't think they need any consent. Let's say
the abduction phenomena is real, which I don't know if it is, but
it's somebody that can come snatch someone out of their bed in the middle of
a busy neighborhood and nobody else notice what do they care about the government.
Why don't UFOs just land in public? I don't know. I think it's
a great question because if there is an intelligence behind this phenomena, it obviously
doesn't want to it's being sneaky. It is being sneaky by design. Do
you think WiFi is an alien thing? I don't actually, But this lets
me plug another story. I did write an article indent of recently that I
really really like and I think people should check out because it's about Nikola,
Tesla and Marconi, and there's a debate over who invented radio, Marconi or
Tesla, Regardless, they both feel when they were working on the technology of
radio, they receive signals that they think we're Martian, that they think we're
aliens. Now we don't know, or we do know now that many oops
froze there for a second, but we know that there's a lot of radio
signals coming from space, and they didn't know that back then. But what's
interesting about this article I wrote is that Einstein and Edison responded. They actually
went on the record because media people ask, hey, what do you think
of Marconi and Tesla saying they talked to aliens or got radio signals from aliens,
and Edison said, yeah, they probably did. Essentially, Edison or
Einstein said, uh, well, I don't think that they got radio signals,
but there's definitely got to be extraterrestrial intelligent civilizations out there, but they
would probably communicate with lasers, lights, not radio. Interesting, interesting stuff.
That was a really good article I wrote, if I do say so
myself. It's in Den of Geek, and of course you can find it
on my social media and on my Patreon, which many of you are patrons
on my patreon. Do you think early on Tom was fed some disinfo?
I think that's entirely possible. And I think you bring up another great topic.
And I'm glad you brought this up because I wanted to mention it.
We've only got ten minutes, by the way, but there's disinfo out there.
J. The first time we heard about MJ twelve is in a document
called the Aquarius Document. It was given to a man named Benowitz by Bill
Moore at the behest of Rick Dody. Rick Doty was working for Air Force
Office of Special Investigations. He says he that this Benowitz guy was watching some
of the stuff they were doing, thinking he was seeing UFOs and aliens when
they were actually seek top secret projects. To throw him off the trail,
Rick Doty said he created fake documents to give to Benowitz to make him think
it was UFOs and aliens, but it was not. That's the origins of
MJ twelve people. The guy who passed the document, Bill Moore, was
Stanton Friedman's partner for nearly ten years. Bill Moore was passing this disinformation without
Stanton Friedman knowing. The MJ twelve documents, especially that first briefing document that
outs everybody. That document is nearly identical to much of Bill Moore and Stanton
Friedman's work. I don't think Friedman had anything to do with it. I
think Bill Moore definitely did. But these are problems. These are problems that
we and not only that, people say, well, maybe some of it's
false and maybe some of it's true. We can't throw it all out,
Okay, let's say that. So let's say there's this group, the Cabal,
and they're like, okay, people might be coming getting onto us,
which they didn't. Nobody knew anything about MJ twelve before this document. They're
like, how do we hide ourselves hmm, let's hide our existence by revealing
the name of our group. All of the members of our group are procedures
on how we work and operate. We'll reveal everything about ourselves, and that's
how we'll keep ourselves secret. We're the most secretive organization ever in existence,
and we're going to keep ourselves secret by telling everybody. It doesn't make any
sense, Okay, do you think so? But so My point is we
haven't been sophisticated or smart enough as a community to thoroughly investigate what disinformation is
out there. We all feel that there is disinformation out there, but we
don't know what's disinformation. Yet we go espouse all of these things that are
unsubstantiated and incredibly dubious as real. That's silly. We really need to examine
what is disinformation so we can more intelligently and in a more educated manner no
separate that fact from fiction. And we need to bust those disinformationists. If
Richard Doty was really passing disinformation at the behest of his superiors, they need
to be busted because that's not legal. You can't do that. They need
to answer for it. I've worked with them via Foya I got foyas on
Richard Dody. When I did that, they told me the entire time,
They're going to let me talk to somebody who will go on the record and
answer questions about what Dody was doing. When I got my FOYA documents,
they said, nope, sorry, we can't do that. Why why wouldn't
they let me talk to somebody. It's very frustrating. I'm hoping that at
some point we can get that. Should we fear you fos? I don't
think so. I could be wrong. I've never feared eurofos, and I
chase them. I go to places where they are. At least Biegel,
if he's still in the room, had a very harrowing UFO experience, but
he was able to get away unscathed. This object essentially just flew over,
which was extraordinary, and he was there because Helen j Heinich told him to
go there. But Jay Allen Heinich, I don't think we need to fear
them. And in fact, I think this is important too that Chilean government
actually got together and had a meeting with their because they believe in UFOs,
their government and their military, so they had a lot of their leadership get
together to determine whether or not they felt UFOs were malevolent or benevolent. They
determined that they do not pose a threat. The worst threat that they pose
are pilots being distracted when they see them. So I think that's really interesting.
Do you think TTSA have a direct line to The New York Times.
They seem to synchronize. They certainly do not the New York Times. Nobody
has a direct line to the New York Times. They're very, very discriminating.
They're very discerning with their information. They are a newspaper of record.
Doesn't mean that they get it right all the time. Heck no, they
definitely don't always get it right. But they're very, very careful, and
their perspective is to be skeptical of everything, because that's how you have to
be when you're a good journalist. You have to be skeptical. It's kind
of like the null hypothesis. As a scientist, whatever it is you believe
you can prove, your job is to disprove that, and if you can't
disprove it, then you've got something, and then you send it out to
your partners, your colleagues to disprove it, and they attack it. But
if they can't disprove it, then you really got something. That's how science
works, That's often how journalism works. You attack it, try to figure
out what's truth and what's not. And certainly people on the fringe like TTSA
do not have a direct line. I can tell you for a fact there
would have been a lot more stories because there were a lot more stories that
were attempted to be printed in the New York Times but were not allowed to.
However, someone with the credibility of a Chris Mellen does have more access.
He was allowed to write his own op ed calling for exactly what's happening
right now, calling for the Senate to ask questions about UAPs. Heard rumors
are New York Time article? Have you heard about this? Yeah? I
have heard about these rumors of a New York Times article. My colleague Martin
Willis a podcast. UFO reached out to Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal, who
wrote that one original story. They said they had not heard about any New
York Times story. However, there have been a couple of UFO researchers who
have said I was contacted by someone who said they were working on a story
for The New York Times. That person might have just been trying to call
around to see if they can get see if there's any type of story out
there. But keep in mind, we're coming along the Roswell crash anniversary time
period. And the President did the other day say something about Roswell. I
heard something about Roswell. He said, everybody's heard something weird about Roswell.
But that would be enough for a news story. But if it's your typical
Roswell tongue in cheek story, it's not going to be some kind of big
expose. A lot of people are hoping some kind of big stories going to
be worked out and it's going to be amazing. That'll be great. I
mean I would love that. I would love if, you know, we
had some whistleblower come out and say something, But I really don't see that
happening. What do you think of the history show The Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.
I haven't watched much of it, to be honest, I've heard mixed
opinions, and I know I am totally derelict in my duty in not watching
it. I've wanted to sit down and well, what it is. It's
me and my girlfriend. I've wanted to sit down and kind of binge watch
it with her, and we just haven't had time. She's working on the
UFO Congress, I've been working on doing all these live streams, so we
just haven't had time to watch it. But I really need to do that.
I will soon ask me that question in a couple of weeks. Actually,
we're psychological effects reported during the tic, TAC or gimbal events, not
that I'm aware of. I do not know of any psychological events at those
incidents. However, Kevin Day does feel he was very greatly impacted. He's
been made fun of a little bit for saying he has PTSD from that incident,
but he definitely gets emotional when he talks about it, and he kind
of put it this way at the UFO Congress when I interviewed him, and
I can understand it. He said that Kurt says it's worth watching worth watching
the show, so I definitely got to watch it. But Kevin Day says,
it was my job as a supervisor of the radars to watch these guys
and make sure my guys are safe when I've got things, and this has
never happened before. You know, when you see something, you scramble,
you find out what it is, you take care of it. When I've
got things flying around doing whatever the hell they want on my screens and it's
my responsibility to keep these guys safe, it freaked me out. I couldn't
do my job and it terrified me and it's had a lasting effect on my
psychological you know, well being. That's what Kevin Day says, and I
think that's a fair point and it makes sense. So we are out of
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