WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.280 So what are we here talking about. We're talking about behind the secret Pentagon 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:07.960 UFO program. So this is a talk that I developed and I've been doing 3 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.279 over the past few years. And the reason I've been doing that is to 4 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:20.359 explain to people the nuances behind the a TIP organization. And it's really important 5 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.800 to know because a lot of people are asking about, you know, they've 6 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:29.719 got conspiratorial ideas about the release of UFO information and how this could be involved 7 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:34.079 and this and that. And I'm not saying, you know, any of 8 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:39.640 your conspiracy theories are wrong. Likely they are, but they might not be. 9 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:44.200 But in order to be educated about how that might work, you got 10 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:49.640 to know who the players are. And this isn't you know, somebody, 11 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:55.479 this Louise Alessandro guy coming out of nowhere and making all of these wild claims. 12 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.920 There's an entire history here, and there's a whole lot of people involved 13 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.680 here, and so that's why it's really important to understand. So let me 14 00:01:03.760 --> 00:01:07.359 go ahead and share the PowerPoint that I've put together. Oh, I see 15 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:11.879 your question. Now, why don't UFOs just land in public? Ask the 16 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:18.400 UFO f liar? I don't know why, I mean, but actually that's 17 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:22.040 not a dumb question. It's a very good question, and it's a very 18 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:23.959 important question. And I'll answer it real quick before we get into this, 19 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:27.239 because I think it's going to be important to think about this as we go 20 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:33.200 forward, even in this presentation here, is that there's another party involved. 21 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:38.159 Everybody's like government disclosure. Government needs to tell us. This government needs to 22 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.040 tell us that, well, there's another party here if we're being visited by 23 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:49.000 someone else, that they could reveal themselves as well. Obviously whatever is visiting 24 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.200 is keeping itself hidden. If there is somebody else visiting, and you know, 25 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.879 they could reveal themselves as well, who knows what they're revealing to the 26 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:05.840 government. All right, so let me get up my presentation here. So 27 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:14.680 here it is, Hi, Paul UFOs over the tipping Point, behind the 28 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:19.879 secret Pentagon UFO program. This is an important concept all by itself, UFOs, 29 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.120 over the tipping Point. We are in a brand new world, and 30 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:28.840 I think some of you totally understand that, especially some of you that have 31 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:30.800 been doing this for a long time. When I got involved with this, 32 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:37.520 I was a journalism student broadcast journalism. But and I'm not in journal well, 33 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.120 I am in journalism now. That wasn't my degree. I finally ended 34 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:47.520 up doing a degree in psychology, in particular industrial and organizational which is around 35 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:53.439 essentially leadership, organizing people, kind of how people think when it comes to 36 00:02:53.639 --> 00:03:01.400 like, you know, marketing stuff like that. And the thing that I 37 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:05.719 found was that there was a lot of credible information about the topic, but 38 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:09.479 it was completely made fun of. Right in the nineties, especially early two 39 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:14.919 thousands, people just laughed about UFOs and that was a bit frustrating for me 40 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:19.759 because there's a lot of credible information that was being ignored and there's no reason 41 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:23.560 it shouldn't have been a mainstream item. We should be comfortable to talk about 42 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:29.319 things we're seeing in the sky that we can't identify. And it was completely 43 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:35.439 surreal to me as a mofon UFO investigator, which I became when I called 44 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.039 the FAA or I call the airport and I say, hey, you know, 45 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.879 for instance, one of my first cases was this guy was just back 46 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.879 from Iraq and he's used to reporting things in the sky that he can't identify, 47 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:53.280 and they don't care. Nobody cares. Why wouldn't you care if there's 48 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.840 something in commercial airspace and you don't know what it is, it's irrational not 49 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.120 to care. In this instance, they're being the irrational one, not the 50 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:08.240 UFO guy. So that was my goal. Over the years, you know, 51 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:12.960 it got treated better. But now ever since this New York Times article 52 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:17.000 that started this whole thing and let's go take a look at it, that's 53 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:21.959 what's next, you know, from December twenty seventeen, all of a sudden, 54 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:27.079 UFOs are a more credible topic and it's okay to talk about them, 55 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.560 and it's real. For me, it's a huge game changer because that was 56 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:35.160 my ultimate goal. In fact, I got to be honest. Part of 57 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:41.600 my feelings about my hiatus that I was on for so long was that I 58 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:47.639 reached my big goal. Now what you know, now, hopefully mainstream media, 59 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:54.680 other credible, capable researchers, we'll look into this and they'll be able 60 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:59.519 to discover some things. And I also was a little frustrated. And this 61 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:04.160 is kind of my message to the UFO community and to the very people that 62 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:10.040 I will be talking about in this presentation. Because it's a new world. 63 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:15.279 We can't walk around speculating about this and that and then get frustrated when people 64 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:21.680 don't take it seriously. Because now we've got this threshold. Now there are 65 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:26.399 people talking, there is stuff coming out. We need to be more careful 66 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:31.920 about what we present. The difference between a jet fighter and several military witnesses 67 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:39.560 coming out and talking about their case versus us sitting around speculating about a crash 68 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:44.639 in you know, and what's that place in Arizona. It's one of the 69 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.199 crashes. I don't really buy, but anyway, the point is we can't 70 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:50.680 really try to purport that in the public as much. We need to be 71 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:59.399 more careful about that, especially the people that are in organization's UFO related organizations 72 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.360 that are trying to be taken seriously and are purporting that they have credible information. 73 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:11.600 Your credible ability level. We're now on a new level mainstream scientists SETI. 74 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.160 You know, this is the level we're at. We have to act 75 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.399 like these scientific organizations, and we're completely justified in doing so. But that 76 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:23.759 means we need to provide the hard data. And the hard data is out 77 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.639 there, and this is the sort of thing that others are going to be 78 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.439 doing. If you want to get stuck, you know, debating speculative stuff, 79 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:35.120 have at it, you're going to be relegated to the UFO Nutter crowd. 80 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.839 But if you want to be involved in actually making a difference, let's 81 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:44.839 research and look for the real hard data and be careful. You know, 82 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:51.399 I really feel especially for these guys in these programs. You know, don't 83 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:57.079 just say And I kind of challenged Louis Alazando on this. You know, 84 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.560 he said there might be crash material out there. Don't say that. Prove 85 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.519 it. You're not in a position to be able to speculate. You're in 86 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:09.240 a position where people are looking for you to you for credible information. You 87 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.519 have to be more careful about what you talk about. And we all need 88 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.160 to be that way. I need to be that way. You know who 89 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.759 really needs to be that way. This guy named Lee Spiegel, who is 90 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:24.160 a long time Oh he's in the chat room here, but you know, 91 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:28.879 we all need to be careful that way. Highley, good to have you 92 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.560 here. But let's get back to it. So everything changed right in December 93 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:39.519 twenty seventeen with this story glowing Auroras and black money, the Pentagon mysterious UFO 94 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.079 program. But how did this come about? And who are all the people 95 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.959 in this story and related to it? We're going to come back to that. 96 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.959 But let's go back to kind of the beginning of how this story took 97 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:56.199 place, and that starts with this gentleman, Tom DeLong. Tom DeLong, 98 00:07:56.279 --> 00:08:01.319 of course, is a rock star. He so the head dude for Blink 99 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.759 one eight two, and now he kind of quit them because of UFO stuff 100 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.720 we've found out, and he's still got a band called Angels and Airways. 101 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:15.000 But he's running to the Stars, not just to the Stars Academy. That's 102 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.480 a new thing. We'll get into that. But To the Stars was a 103 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:22.120 company he started years ago to do all of his media stuff. One of 104 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.680 the media things he did was Strange Times And this is how we at Openminds 105 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:33.039 dot tv first came to know Tom. He was doing this site with paranormal 106 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.080 stories that he was writing, and he liked Openminds dot tv and he asked 107 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.600 us, can I repost some of your stories? And so he would get 108 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.200 a hold of us pretty much weekly or on a regular basis, saying, 109 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:48.279 hey, can we do use this story? Can we use this story? 110 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.960 And we were cool with it as long as you link back to us, 111 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.559 go for it. We all really liked him. He's a good guy, 112 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.600 uh, and you know he was looking for something credible, but then he 113 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:05.240 got and he started saying stuff like he's talking to these government insiders, he's 114 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:11.399 talking to these NASA guys that, And then he started sharing his ideas well. 115 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:15.200 He had always shared his ideas about maybe aliens are coming here and there's 116 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:20.159 a big battle and everything, and you know, I think he's an honest 117 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.480 person, but it was like, you know, what are you talking about 118 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.519 talking to NASA people and government people. Why would they talk to you when 119 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.759 you have such weird ideas. But then we found out he was telling the 120 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:39.960 truth, and in fact, we gave him an award at the UFO Congress 121 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:50.840 because of what happened next. And instead of just telling you what happened, 122 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:58.679 let me play a video for you to show you why we did what we 123 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:05.240 did. I did have this video ready before, but I don't now, 124 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.600 so let me get that ready. I apologize for not having it ready. 125 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.440 It's a great video. You're gonna love it some of you. Most of 126 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.399 you have probably already seen it, but it's important in the context of what 127 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:22.120 we're going to be talking about to watch it again because of the details. 128 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.879 And I'm gonna watch. Hopefully this works. I had to do something special 129 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.039 to make that sure. The sound works on this video, so let me 130 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:45.320 know if you cannot hear it while it plays. The twenty seventeen presidential campaign 131 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.720 is finally over, and so are the mysterious leaks of emails posted by WikiLeaks 132 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:54.000 of Hillary Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta. At openminds dot tv, we often 133 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:58.919 cover the news of Podesta's interest in the UFO topic, an interest that was 134 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:05.240 reflected in his leaked emails in surprising ways. Perhaps one of the more shocking 135 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:09.759 revelations from the Podesta emails is his involvement with rockstar Tom DeLong, who is 136 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:15.159 seeking to expose a vast UFO cover up within the government. DeLong, the 137 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.080 former frontman for the band Blink one eighty two and currently for the band Angels 138 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:22.799 and Airwaves, says he based his recent fiction book, Secret Machines Book One, 139 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:28.440 Chasing Shadows, on information fed to him by government insiders. The book 140 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:33.120 is about the government's decade long project to back engineer alien technology and hide it 141 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.919 from the public. According to Rolling Stone, DeLong claims he was approved to 142 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.799 say he used quote sources within the aerospace industry and the Department of Defense and 143 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.960 NASA who approved him to say this, and who are his sources? Until 144 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.200 the Podesta UFO WikiLeaks, we had no idea who these people were, if 145 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:56.440 they were really within the government, or if they existed at all. It 146 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:00.759 turns out DeLong was having conversations with insiders, and some of the names of 147 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.360 the people he was talking to are in the Podesta emails. In fact, 148 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:09.399 Podesta invited them to a meeting. A Google hangout's invitation sent out on January 149 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:13.720 twenty fourth for a meeting on January twenty fifth at ten thirty am, included 150 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:18.840 Rob Weiss, executive vice president and general manager for Advanced Development Programs Skunkworks at 151 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:24.440 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics. Skunkworks is the group that built Area fifty one at the 152 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.799 behest of the CIA, and for decades has worked on developing top secret advanced 153 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.240 aircraft. Major General William N. Mcassy, the commander of the US Air 154 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.279 Force's research laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Wright Patterson has a rich 155 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.759 history in UFO folklore, as it was the home of the Air Force's official 156 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:48.639 UFO investigations from nineteen forty seven to nineteen seventy and the final attendee was retired 157 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:54.960 US Air Force Major General Michael Carey. So we found about the best part 158 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:00.679 of that video. Tom DeLong comes on because we say hey, and we're 159 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:09.600 giving you this award. Tom DeLong comes on and then says he accepts the 160 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.639 award. One of the things that he said is that people got mad about, 161 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.559 was that he says, I'm just like you, you know, I 162 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.840 know everything. He didn't mean that he knows everything about UFOs. What he 163 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.120 meant is, I know what you guys know. I researched this stuff like 164 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:28.000 you. And it was my feeling at the time he was just as you 165 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.639 know, most of US UFO researchers. I know a lot of people got 166 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:35.279 mad because they're known as UFO researchers, but we do it on our off 167 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:41.240 time, so does Tom. But obviously you don't organize meetings with this level 168 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:48.240 of people without spending a lot of time and effort into it. And he 169 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:54.600 brought credible UFO information to these people and was massaging these people obviously to make 170 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:58.440 things happen. So on the one hand, the award was because he made 171 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:03.799 this all happen, but it was also because there was at least in my 172 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:05.799 mind, these people aren't going to come and meet with Tom and not something 173 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:11.000 result from it. So something would result from it, I felt, so 174 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:15.120 it was extraordinary. I thought it was a big deal. That's why I 175 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.279 felt that he should receive that award and why we gave it to him. 176 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.200 One other note that I think is really neat, and my friend Ben Hansen 177 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:28.240 found this. I of course had scoured those emails, especially for stuff that 178 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:35.679 was pertinent, and one of those wiki leaks was from regarding UFOs was from 179 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.879 Hillary Clinton's one of her major head staff people like her number, the one 180 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:45.399 right under John Podesta, and it emailed out and they said, hey, 181 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.919 did you know that Jimmy Kimmel wants to ask our candidate? I think they 182 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:56.399 called it Hillary a UFO question. And the lady said, why why would 183 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.840 she he want to ask Hillary that? And they said, well, parent, 184 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:05.080 Bill and John Podesta have a history in this, and they sent a 185 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:07.960 couple links, and one of those links was to one of my Open Mind 186 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:16.360 story on this topic on the background of Bill Clinton and John Podesta's UFO interests. 187 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.159 Now, the reason I wrote this, I wrote this in the Obama 188 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.519 era because it was about here's Obama's links to UFOs and those were, of 189 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:26.200 course, or that was John Podesta. So I gave that history, which 190 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:31.879 is really ingrained of course with Bill Clinton, because he worked for Obama and 191 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.000 he worked for Clinton, and it was during the Clinton years he worked with 192 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:41.759 Clinton to try to get information. So let's get further into this. So 193 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.360 I saw that video and I was like, whoa. You know, I 194 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:52.320 thought, holy moly, this is a big deal. Unfortunately, the majority 195 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.639 of the UFO field, I guess I kind of get to do a little 196 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:00.120 bit of I told you so in this talk, because the majority of the 197 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:06.120 UFO field was not impressed. In fact, they were really really upset with 198 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:10.080 me over the Tom DeLong award. And I took it on the chin. 199 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:12.320 It wasn't only my decision. It was my idea, to be honest, 200 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.960 but I think all of us were thinking that and everybody had to sign off 201 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.879 and it was unanimous. But I was like, fine, here's my idea, 202 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:26.159 here's my decision. I stand by it. But I caught a lot 203 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.080 of stuff. I caught so much heat from everywhere it was shocking to me. 204 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.480 Instead of being excited or curious about how Tom DeLong got these meetings, 205 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:38.200 everybody was so upset that we gave him some kind of award and that we 206 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:42.639 did give him a word got some pressed too, which we didn't necessarily expect. 207 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:52.000 But then October twenty seventeen comes around and people were getting antsy because in 208 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:57.120 Tom's address he said that he was doing some really crazy cool things and some 209 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:02.000 amazing things are going to happen and you're going to know about it soon, 210 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:07.160 and he said something like within thirty to sixty days. I think he told 211 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.640 me that, and I wrote that in his story because I was asking him, 212 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:11.680 when's it going to happen, when's it going to happen, when you're 213 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:15.759 going to get this stuff? And it never happened. Time went by, 214 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:21.759 months went by, nothing was happening. Everybody's getting upset because nothing is happening, 215 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.599 and I'm talking to Tom. Tom is getting really embarrassed. He's like, 216 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.279 sorry, Alejandro, you know it's coming, it's coming, it's coming. 217 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.799 Finally I get a call and he's like, get on signal, you 218 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:38.920 know, which is this thing that the reporters use so your message is encrypted 219 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.960 so you could talk and people can't hear you. So I get on it. 220 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.200 He's like, I'm doing amazing stuff. We're launching this big thing tomorrow. 221 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:51.759 Can you look at some of this media material and let me know what 222 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:56.480 you think. So I did gave him some advice, especially to get all 223 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:59.839 the hoax you know, videos that he had in there out. He did 224 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.279 take them all out except for one. He had a lot too. He 225 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:06.880 had like a dozen in there that were videos I knew were fake. And 226 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.039 you all may know, some of you will know. He kept one fake 227 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:14.000 went in there because so many people have given him junk about that. And 228 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:19.960 this is what he came up with. This group of guys and this new 229 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:27.279 organization called to the Stars of Arts, to the Stars Academy of Arts and 230 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:33.880 Sciences, and what they were supposedly going to do is look into UFO stuff. 231 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:40.680 And the group of people is really incredible. Some of these people we 232 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:44.680 already knew. And I'll go over it really quickly because I know many of 233 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.920 you are very familiar with the group. But one of them on the far 234 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:51.319 right, and i'll go from the far right to the left. On the 235 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.240 far right, we have Jim Simmavan. He was impressive because he had twenty 236 00:18:55.240 --> 00:19:03.200 five years as an operations officer for Central Intelligence. This essentially whoa you know, 237 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.759 I hadn't heard of him before this. Luckily I got to talk to 238 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:11.160 him actually during the inception of To the Stars. Very impressive. In fact, 239 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.839 I think Lee Spiegel and you can tell us Lee if you're still in 240 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:21.079 the chat, interviewed him. I know a couple others have, but really 241 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:26.680 great guy, really good guy. Then to his left is how put Off, 242 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:32.000 and let me tell you a little bit about how. We'll talk more 243 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:34.039 about How in his history too, and a little bit here. But he's 244 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:40.240 got fifty years experience as a research scientist at General Electric, the NSA, 245 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:45.480 Stanford University, SRI. He's worked with NASA, the Department of Defense, 246 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:53.559 and various intelligence communities. Next to him is another really important person. So 247 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:57.039 one of the people that Tom DeLong had talked to was a mister Wise, 248 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:03.279 who was part of Lockheed's Skunkworks Lockeed. Skunkwork is an organization that started Area 249 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.119 fifty one. They were tasked by the CIA to go seek out and build 250 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.559 the secret facility, which they did and they've continued to have a large presence 251 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:19.079 there. So this is a guy who is the director for integrated Systems at 252 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:23.599 Lockheed Martin Aeroniomics Company, skunk Works. This is a guy who works for 253 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:27.039 skunk Works, who the people who test this stuff at an area fifty one. 254 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:33.319 Holy moly. So then next to him is this little guy, Luise 255 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:40.559 Elizondo. What the heck? And this guy is another career counterintelligence guy, 256 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:47.720 and he said that he was also in this headed up a program to investigate 257 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:52.319 UFOs. I'm going to get back to that in just a second. And 258 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:56.759 then this last guy, Steve Justice, who I know someone in the chat 259 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:02.920 I won't say, who has a crush on a no. Li says he 260 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:06.640 talked to Jim a couple of times, but he didn't get to interview him. 261 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:15.079 But this last guy here is Chris Mellon. And Chris Mellon is a 262 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:19.359 very very important person. He has twenty years in the federal government under Clinton 263 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:26.039 and Bush. He's the former Minority Staff director of the Senate Select Committee on 264 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:32.079 Intelligence. He is a private equity investor, and he's the chairman of the 265 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:37.640 Science Committee at Carnegie Museum of Natural History. And this is a guy who's 266 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:41.400 part of the family of the Melon Banks. You know, some of you 267 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:45.160 will be familiar with that. Some of you might have Mellon on your credit 268 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.559 card. This is a big time company. These are you know, a 269 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:53.200 big time family. So this is a very well connected person. So getting 270 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:57.720 back to this guy who says he worked on UFO projects. When I saw 271 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:02.720 this in October twenty seventeen, and I know some of you probably felt the 272 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:07.640 same, it was like, what I mean. As a UFO researcher and 273 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:14.480 journalist, I've void I've contacted the Air Force multiple times. Every time, 274 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.200 practically every time, ninety percent of the time, you're told we don't care 275 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:27.079 about UFOs. In fact, they would give us information about you know, 276 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:32.799 they would typically send us this US Air Force fact sheet that is still up 277 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:37.119 there at the National Archives that says just that we're done with UFOs. We 278 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.920 did that in the past, we stopped doing that till in nineteen sixty nine, 279 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:45.359 you know, this complete stone wall. But this guy says that he 280 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:52.240 worked on a UFO investigation project. What so that was a big deal. 281 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:56.200 Soon after this happened, Leslie Kane was also in the know on this, 282 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:03.920 and she wrote an article for the Huffington Post. Then I actually interviewed her 283 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.440 at this time and we were I was like, what's with this guy? 284 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:11.960 And She's like, I don't know, and so we were really shocked, 285 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.279 and it didn't seem like a lot of people in the UFO community cared, 286 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:21.119 like, you know when this news came out, here's a prototoe, Well, 287 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:23.440 this is an example of something they want to do, which they still 288 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:29.200 want to do, which is to develop technologies based off of what have observed 289 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:33.480 when it comes to UFOs, And that was an image that they had released. 290 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:40.960 But I was like, WHOA Like this shocked kitty cat. But the 291 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:45.200 UFO community, man, there's some tough cookies. They were like, big 292 00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:49.000 deal. And I get it when you're talking about Tom DeLong, I mean, 293 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:52.799 I think that was part of the issue. I get it how you 294 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.279 could doubt him because he's a rock star. But the credentials for all of 295 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:02.200 those people is remarkable. And not only that, people like Hew put off. 296 00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:07.400 We've known him for a very long time. He's been a UFO investigator 297 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.279 and a scientist working in this arena. He's worked for Bob Bigelow all the 298 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:17.759 way back with the National Institute of Discovery Sciences. He's worked with of course 299 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:22.279 with Big Low Aerospace, the BASS Project, and going even further back. 300 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.359 If you knew anything about remote viewing, which probably many of you are interested 301 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.480 in. He ran that although he started that way back when, so how 302 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:36.599 someone we knew, how someone that some of us interacted with, so we 303 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:42.000 knew he went way back. Also Chris Mellan, Chris Leslie Kane had written 304 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:47.039 an article about Chris Mellon a year or so prior to this all happening. 305 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:51.960 He joined that UFO data group if you all remember that. Nothing really came 306 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:53.480 of it, but they were a group that was going to try to gather 307 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:59.200 more UFO information. He was obviously someone that was interested in the topic. 308 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.079 So it's not like everybody came out of nowhere, but many of them had. 309 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:11.359 Who are these guys? Nothing really hit the fan, so to speak. 310 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.720 In fact, the news might have gone unnoticed. There are a few 311 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:18.640 stories, but there really wasn't much going on regarding all of this, surprisingly 312 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:26.759 until this big Boy, The New York Times article that exposed everything, written 313 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:32.799 by Leslie Kane, Ralph Blumenthal, and Helene Cooper, and I know this 314 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:41.079 through interviews, but Leslie Kane was able to work with Ralph Blumenthal, both 315 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:44.920 of whom have written for The New York Times, and convince them to write 316 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:49.359 the story. They said they wanted Helene Cooper on with them because she was 317 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:53.359 the Pentagon. That was her beat. She wrote about the Pentagon, so 318 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.200 to make it true, to make sure that you know, everything was correct. 319 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.759 And the other benefit too with having someone like Cooper on that people would 320 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.400 it wasn't just a fact check and make sure the other UFO weirdos weren't doing 321 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:10.079 something weird. She's the one who's going to have all the sources, so 322 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:12.039 she's the one who's going to be at the Pentagon talking to people all day 323 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:17.079 every day, so she will know who to talk to in there, not 324 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:22.480 just to verify information, but to get them on the record. Or they 325 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:27.319 did have many unnamed sources to also verify, you know, and get people 326 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.720 on the record that yeah, yeah that's real. Well but I'm not going 327 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:34.960 to go on the record on that. So it served many purposes to have 328 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.759 her on there. So they all wrote this story revealing everything that was going 329 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:47.480 on with this program. The other thing that came out was this Washington Post 330 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:52.240 story on it the same day, and also this one from Brian Bender, 331 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:57.920 who I'm going to interview on Friday. Brian Bender works for Politico. But 332 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:03.359 here's something you probably didn't know unless you heard my interview with Brian. He 333 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:12.200 revealed something that was pretty important, and that is that Luise Elizondo and Chris 334 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:19.000 Mellan were shopping this story for a period of time before the articles came out. 335 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:23.200 So the way Brian puts it is that they came to him, no 336 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:29.359 doubt they were already working with Leslie Kane because that's who Chris Mellon works with. 337 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:34.480 But Leslie Kane can only get stories pretty much anytime she wants on Huffington 338 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:40.920 Post. Huffington Post is just not as big of a deal as of course 339 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:47.240 Politico or other Megage or other news outlets. So they had political on the 340 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:49.680 line, so they're like, Okay, you know, here's what we're doing. 341 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.319 We want to write a story on it. Brian said, yeah, 342 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.200 this looks interesting. I'll go talk to my sources and verify it. He 343 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.240 did. He talked to many people on the inside that told him, yeah, 344 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.559 Harry Reid wanted to start this program. We're like, whatever, just 345 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.640 I don't want nothing to do with it. It was essentially the gist of 346 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.759 what many of his insiders were telling him. So we verified this was real, 347 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:18.519 and he also knew about Chris Mellon and his credibility, so that also 348 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.640 was a big help. But essentially, Brian says, they cut him off. 349 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:23.920 They talked to him for a while, but they cut him off, 350 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:29.160 and he knows now it was because they got a bigger fish, Leslie Kane, 351 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.720 when she was able to confirm the New York Times was going to run 352 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.599 the story, they didn't need Politico anymore. Now, Brian Bender's not disappointed 353 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.359 about that, or he holds no grudge towards him at all. He's like, 354 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.119 that's business. That's the way it goes. He doesn't blame them whatsoever 355 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.960 for going with the bigger fish. And you know, it's not like he 356 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.000 was jumping on top of it and like this is mine and I got to 357 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.200 get this out now. He was kind of sitting on it and watching how 358 00:28:55.240 --> 00:29:00.240 things develop. He admits that one she caught when that caught the word that 359 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.359 New York Times was about to post their story, he immediately called up his 360 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:10.200 editor and like, we have to post our story now. So they did 361 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:14.640 and got that out there. This is interesting for a couple reasons, and 362 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:19.599 actually we'll get into that here. I'm going to return to this slide. 363 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.799 But this slide is why I want to talk about it. It's a transition. 364 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:27.559 So here's lou Elizondo. He's the guy who ran this Pentagon program. 365 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:33.400 We found out what it was called a TIP Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 366 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.240 Harry Reid was the guy that started it. The New York Times article makes 367 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:44.519 a lot of claims, and people have questioned these claims, but the New 368 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:49.079 York Times doesn't mess around. They verify it like crazy. And this story 369 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:56.640 has withstood the test of time, despite the Pentagon Press and many others trying 370 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:02.000 to tear down the facts that they present, they the facts have held up. 371 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:10.720 One of those facts being that you know that Harry Reid was contacted by 372 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:15.640 a DIA agent who had talked with Robert Bigelow and they had gotten together and 373 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.559 decided they wanted Harry Reid to start this program, to try to talk him 374 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:23.880 into it, and Harry Reid said, yes. Harry Reid was in Las 375 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:29.400 Vegas, Nevada. Heu you know that was his state where he was a 376 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:34.119 senator of his Nevada. He knew Robert Bigelow already, and now we know 377 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:40.640 that he was friendly with Bigelow and they had an interest in the paranormal so 378 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:45.160 much so that Harry Reid would come to their meetings sometimes with Bigelow and get 379 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.759 updated on the paranormal stuff they were working on. So they already had that 380 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:56.039 friendship and shared interest. And so Harry Reid's the one who started this. 381 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:03.079 But here's what I'm going back to regarding the New York Times and the political 382 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:12.680 story that one, just in case you forgot that, Chris Mellen in this 383 00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:18.119 story, Loue Alezando said he tried to get this information up the ladder. 384 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.599 He even knew Jim Mattis, the Secretary of Defense who he worked for. 385 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.960 Alessando worked in the OSD, the office for the Secretary of Defense. He 386 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.519 knew Jim Maddis, but he couldn't talk to him about UFOs because he wasn't 387 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:36.759 given permission to. And you do need permission to share any information with high 388 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:41.440 level people. Plausible deniability is the main reason. If they don't want their 389 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.799 person to have this information, then they can deny it. So, for 390 00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.720 instance, if someone caught wind of this program, they could have gone to 391 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.759 Jim Maddis and said, hey, what's going on with you guys investigating UFOs? 392 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.799 And Jim Maddis could have said I don't know anything about us investigating UFOs, 393 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:02.880 and he wouldn't have been lying. So Lou could not get this up 394 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.359 there, and they didn't find it important enough. It seems that Chris Mellan 395 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:12.039 helped him to try to get it up the ladder. Chris has said this, 396 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:16.359 and so they tried to get this information to those upper levels and it 397 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:22.279 didn't work. So they decided let's go to the press. And there's a 398 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.119 whole strategy behind what they did, and we'll get into this because this is 399 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:30.880 really important too, all of this being information I haven't really shared before. 400 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:36.240 But so there was this whole plan to try to get this out there that 401 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:43.119 was being worked on that culminated in this New York Times story and more, 402 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:47.519 and we'll get into that. But what else was in that story. Well, 403 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.880 like we just saw, there were a couple of the videos for the 404 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.000 first time in the New York Times story. Some people might say, wait 405 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.519 a second, the DoD said they just released the those videos a few weeks 406 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:06.359 ago. No, not really. These videos came out in the New York 407 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:10.119 Times and they even addressed it that Lu said he went through the proper protocols 408 00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:16.480 to get these released, so they're already out there. In fact, we 409 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.880 know now that the Air Force saw these videos out and did an investigation. 410 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:27.119 I think it's Roger Gassel or maybe even John Greenwald who got this information. 411 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.160 But the Air Force investigated, Oh no, I think it might have been 412 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:37.000 Tim McMillan. But they investigated were those videos classified? Was classified information shared 413 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.720 when it shouldn't have been? But in these Air Force documents their conclusion was, 414 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.799 and they state this, and this is important because the DoD had been 415 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:52.359 denying this point that a tip did indeed exist, that Loue Elizondo was in 416 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:58.039 charge of it, and that they were investigating UFOs. They're the ones to 417 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.759 release these videos. Thing in it was classified, nor did it they have 418 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:07.960 any concern about the release of those videos. So the Air Force investigated confirmed 419 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:12.239 all of that, some of which is being denied by the DoD to this 420 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:20.800 day. Goofballs. So these videos came out in the New York Times. 421 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.960 One of them was related to the nimits in her incident. I know many 422 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:28.400 of you are aware of it, but just in a nutshell for any viewers 423 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.199 who don't know about it, this is the case that happened in two thousand 424 00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:36.840 and five, the uss nimens Strike Force off the coast of San Diego. 425 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:43.199 While they're doing training exercises, we're catching objects on radar that were doing weird 426 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.599 things like you know, flow to hovering at twenty five thousand feet and then 427 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:51.800 hitting the deck as they say it so flying to essentially ground level very quickly, 428 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.599 doing very weird things. During the training, Kevin Day, the radar 429 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.760 supervisor, was able to get them to scram or have a couple jets that 430 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.719 were training to go find out take a look at one of these objects. 431 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:12.119 The pilots that were the ones that went to go look, one of them 432 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:17.239 was Commander David Fraverer, essentially the highest ranking pilot in the entire strike group. 433 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:22.519 He went there with his wingman or wing woman in this case wing person, 434 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:29.199 and they went They saw some water that was bubbling. He said, 435 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.280 it almost looked like something had recently submerged. Something was going on like that. 436 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.760 He went lower to get a closer look. He saw this forty foot 437 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:45.159 large white tic tac shaped object. He said, when he went towards it, 438 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:51.760 it moved so it seemed to see him because it changed its position to 439 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.760 be aligned with him. He tried to kind of chase it, and it 440 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:59.679 was moving away from him. He tried to get in front of it and 441 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:04.360 boom, it took off at an incredible speed. It then went to the 442 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:09.639 cap point it's called, and this is a random meetup point that it's chosen. 443 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.159 Most of the people don't even know. It's programmed into their jets computers 444 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.440 to go to this rendezvous meet up point. And you're talking about miles and 445 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:24.199 miles and miles of water out there. So for this object to appear on 446 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:29.119 radar in an area that was known to them in all of that space, 447 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:35.119 the odds are pretty pretty low. So very interesting point there. So Fraver 448 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.119 comes back, tells his story, I chased this freaking thing. I don't 449 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.760 know what the hell it was. And one of the other pilots says, 450 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:47.800 I'm gonna go get video. I'm gonna get video on my infrared camera, 451 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.000 and yeah, right, you know, but he did. He did get 452 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.719 a video, and that's one of these videos. The other video that was 453 00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.760 in the New York Times was from a later incident in twenty well, I 454 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:04.760 think now we know it's twenty fourteen. The dates a little questionable whether it 455 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.400 was thirteen, fourteen or fifteen right now, to be honest. In fact, 456 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:13.119 it's looking like it's thirteen according to the latest information. And this is 457 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.559 one of Leslie Kane's latest stories in the New York Times where she wrote about 458 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:21.480 it. Essentially, the Navy put out some UFO files and one of those 459 00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:28.079 files, which we didn't all really know, is related to this view or 460 00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.920 this sighting. She had told me that personally, and I only released that 461 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:37.119 on Twitter, so I think people don't realize that. But anyway, that's 462 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:49.400 what these videos were from. See guys, okay, Lou exercises good restraints. 463 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.280 Someone said, yes, he does. So the other person involved was 464 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:59.119 Bigelow, Like I had said, Bigelow Aerospace. So Robert Bigelow, Nevada 465 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.199 real estate guy. That's how he made all of his money in real estate. 466 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.599 This is a funny story. So in fact, I'm going to move 467 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.480 forward here. I'll come back to that building. But Robert Bigelow was a 468 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.800 real estate mogul, had a bunch of money that he made in real estate, 469 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.440 and then decided he wanted to get into a space program. Like Elon 470 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:21.719 Musk. He wanted to create a space program. So what did he do. 471 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.960 He went and started talking to NASA people. One guy said, Hey, 472 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:31.559 we've got a program here that I believe is really important and we're looking 473 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.199 for people to fund it. And so Robert Bigelow's that all go to the 474 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.280 meeting. He goes to the meeting, and you know, we've got representatives 475 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:43.920 from large corporations, Boeing, who knows who else, and they're asking for 476 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.960 them, Hey, help us with this project, help us fund this program. 477 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:52.039 And the program was to build take space balloons, but these are inflatable 478 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:59.159 habitats. So it makes a lot of sense. When you're launching a rocket 479 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.280 to go to the moon or into space, you only have a limited amount 480 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:06.800 of space and you only have a limited capacity of weight that you can take. 481 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.519 So the lighter and smaller you're whatever you're taking up there is better. 482 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.199 And so he devised, or these people had devise this idea of making these 483 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.119 habitats or spaces for people to work and live in inflatable, so they'd be 484 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.559 tiny in the rocket and can expand and be larger. It seems like a 485 00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.559 great idea, and actually a lot of people over the last few years have 486 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:36.159 thought it was an excellent idea. Well, nobody wanted to fund the program, 487 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.840 so Robert Bigelow says, I'll buy it, and he bought the friggin 488 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:45.159 whole entire program. But I'm talking like this is a guy showing up buy 489 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:51.679 himself out of nowhere and saying I'll buy it. So immediately he had to 490 00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.239 start big low aerospace, build a building, which is the building we are 491 00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.760 just looking at here, hire people to do all of this, and that's 492 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:02.639 what he did. He hired a bunch of people, built this building, 493 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.440 made his little alien logo there and put his alien logo on there, and 494 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:14.320 started a space company. On the bottom left is a model of one of 495 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:19.280 the moon bases that he wants to build, and he had some conversations with 496 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:23.000 NASA about doing building one of those. And I can tell you this, 497 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:29.800 he's like a big deal with NASA. I've visited quite a few NASA facilities, 498 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:35.280 Johnson, others, and most of them have some sort of big low 499 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:42.159 display, including and I think it's it's the one in Alabama that has this 500 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:49.760 big display that you see right here or something similar to it. So yeah, 501 00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.360 he's he's kind of a big deal with him. And he even launched 502 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:57.440 that photo right there is one of his objects, one of his you know, 503 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:02.920 inflatable habitats on the internationals Space Station. It's still there right now. 504 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:14.800 So sorry, I got a text. If I don't text my honey when 505 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.360 she sends me a message, she gets to really freaked out and I'll be 506 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:21.480 in big trouble. So I apologize. I had to pause. I wouldn't 507 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.880 pause this for anything but that because I don't want to get in trouble. 508 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:29.440 But yeah, that is on the International Space Station right now. Now. 509 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:34.719 This was a prototype, but it's something that has worked. They've determined, 510 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.079 yeah, this scene works great. It inflated. They use it for storage. 511 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:42.960 Now it's something that they think was cool. But Bigelow's also into UFOs 512 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.840 and aliens. He had the National Institute of Discovery Sciences, which was an 513 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:53.559 organization he funded and created in order to investigate the paranormal. And in the 514 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:58.800 bottom right hand corner here we see an interview that he had with sixty Minutes 515 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:05.239 where he told her there Lara Laura I think is her name, and you 516 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.360 know, she said, well, you're not afraid to share this kind of 517 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.960 stuff. He's like no, and he even said, you know, their 518 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.400 aliens are here and she said, well, you're not afraid to say that, 519 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.239 and he's like, no, I could give a damn. You know 520 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:21.760 that it was something very similar. I could give a damn that, he 521 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:30.559 said. So that's Robert Bigelow. We're going to get more into Robert Bigelow 522 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.599 too, So all of these people, because there's some really important connections between 523 00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:37.719 all of these people. But here are some of the facts that we're in. 524 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.880 That New York Times story that a TIP was named the Advanced Aerospace Threat 525 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.000 Identification Program. It ran from two thousand and seven to twenty twelve. According 526 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:52.920 to the DoD, Elizondo said, no, this program still exists to this 527 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:57.800 day. There are people running it now that took over for me. The 528 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.239 New York Times kind of left the story up. Well, Alessando says this, 529 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:06.280 but the DoD says this, So that was something that was in question 530 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.159 at the time. However, we do know, and in fact, just 531 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:14.159 recently, and we'll get into this in this latest news that just happened, 532 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:22.519 it has been confirmed that he was correct that that organization still does exist. 533 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:28.480 I know there's at least one friend of mine that's watching who has Karen's phone, 534 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.599 and Mrckinnie, you tell her I'm busy right now. She is persistent, 535 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.679 but yeah, so Alessando says it still continues, which has been confirmed. 536 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:43.320 Pretty Much everything Alexando said has been confirmed, even though many people called 537 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.559 him a liar. In the upper right, there were the two and frayed 538 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:52.840 videos from the jet Fighter that was released. Read and two other senators sponsored 539 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:54.760 the funding. So I should say it wasn't Read by himself that got the 540 00:43:54.760 --> 00:44:00.159 program created. He actually went across the aisle, as they say, he's 541 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.599 a Democrat. He went to a couple of Republicans who helped him start this 542 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:08.119 program. And there was this claim too that Bigelow's building was modified to hold 543 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:13.599 material from a UFO that has turned out actually to be false now they think 544 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.599 about it. There was a false statement. I guess the building modification didn't 545 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:22.599 necessarily have anything to do with the material, but they did have material they 546 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:29.400 thought could possibly be or at least supposedly was from a UFO incident that they've 547 00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.840 been investigating. And we've heard some about that, but not a whole lot, 548 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:43.519 to be honest. Of course, this story became huge. It was 549 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:47.639 all over the place, and fortunately David Fraber was going out into the media 550 00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:53.719 to talk about it all over the place. Loue Elizondo too, and stories 551 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.000 like this were coming out. And here's where I'm talking about. The tipping 552 00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:05.480 point had happened now, just like the Washington Post says, UFOs are suddenly 553 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:09.239 a serious news story and you can thank the guy from Blink one eighty two 554 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:17.280 for that. And of course this story was written in May thirtieth. It 555 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.079 doesn't say the year, but I know it was a year after a much 556 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:25.239 better story. Look at that December twenty seventeen. This is the day after 557 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:32.440 Tom announced its group. Howard Rockstar facilitated this disclosure of the DoD's UFO secrets 558 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:37.719 written by Aljantro Rojas. So I scooped the Washington Post a year before that, 559 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:44.400 But yeah, I mean if Tom wouldn't have so, Lou was working 560 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.760 on getting the story out, but Tom was kind of a vehicle to do 561 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:53.360 that. Tom was starting his organization with these guys, and so it was 562 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:58.599 kind of a perfect storm situation where they can all do this together and make 563 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.639 this happen. In fact, that's what delayed Tom. They wanted to try 564 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.239 to coordinate this with The New York Times coming out with the story as closely 565 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:12.039 as possible, and that's why Tom was delayed so much, and that's why 566 00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.639 he couldn't start his group thirty to sixty days after the UFO Congress, like 567 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:20.559 he told us he was gonna do. He thought that at the time. 568 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.960 But then they're like, hey, let's hold up so we can release our 569 00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:29.039 info. Then the New York Times story comes out and boom, we're looking 570 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:37.280 like some cool dudes, which they did. They changed everything, and that's 571 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:43.480 when finally people were like, all right, Alejandro, I guess you're not 572 00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:49.400 such a butt head after all. I had it right. I don't know, 573 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:53.159 why do people doubt me? Why do people doubt me? I got 574 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.559 a lot of heat too, as people know over the years and even after 575 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.960 this, I got heat. And we'll get into that. Also, because 576 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.679 a lot of people were arguing those points, I better tell her I'm gonna 577 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:10.440 get more trouble. I am doing a live stream. I do a lot 578 00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:14.159 of live streams. In fact, I did one just a little earlier with 579 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:16.760 Bryce Zabel on Den of Geek. So go check that out when you have 580 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:22.039 a chance. But here are the major players, A lot of the names 581 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:27.639 that are out there. Let's start in the upper right. This is a 582 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.760 name that many of us know, George Knapp, Klas Las Vegas I Team. 583 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:36.400 George Knapp is probably well in all of this. He's been one of 584 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:42.119 the most important people in shuttling information out to the public because he's very well 585 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:47.440 connected. He has known Bob Bigelow for many, many years. He's also 586 00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:57.480 investigated Area fifty one. You know his actually Klas is responsible for I was 587 00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.239 going to say, putting Area fifty one on the map even before for the 588 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.400 whole alien thing. They were the first ones to catch win of this and 589 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.440 interview engineers and some of the weirdness and super secretiveness going on out there. 590 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:14.320 And then in the late eighties, of course that's when this guy Bob Lazar 591 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.559 comes and says, hey, I worked out there Beck engineering alien spacecraft. 592 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:22.480 George really picked up that story and that made Area fifty one famous. So 593 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:28.719 is at the same time the most famous and the most secretive base both and 594 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:32.360 that's because George Napp. But George Napp knew all of these major players and 595 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:37.199 was working with them, so he knew where to go to get that information. 596 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.119 He knew Harry Reid of course as an investment, as a journalist in 597 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:44.880 Nevada. He would have had to talk to him and work with their office. 598 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.199 So that's what makes George really important. And we'll talk more about him 599 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.119 and just a little bit. But here's the other guy, doctor hal put 600 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:57.960 Off. Now I had mentioned him before, but here's the point. Doctor 601 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:04.239 put Off worked with Bigelow, but he also worked with the Stanford Research Institute 602 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:09.320 creating the remote viewing program. Why is that important. It's important because this 603 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:19.039 is a gentleman, a scientist who has always been into fringe sciences and trying 604 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:23.480 to push them forward as something credible that we need to look into. When 605 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:30.840 it came to remote viewing, he believed in the abilities of an alleged psychic, 606 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:35.719 Ingo Swan. They worked together, they studied him, him and his 607 00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:42.960 colleague Russell targ and they figured one of the things that Ingo could do is 608 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.639 be able to kind of close his eyes and think about a place and see 609 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.599 some stuff that he shouldn't be able to know that he was able to go 610 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:53.000 there in his mind. It seemed somehow Ingo felt that he could teach others 611 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:57.280 how to do this. So they came up with protocols and they gave it 612 00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.199 a term that is more scientific, you know, more stant remote viewing. 613 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:07.840 And they developed this into essentially a product that they sold the government that they 614 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:14.159 could do this remote viewing. This program, this remote viewing program lasted for 615 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:19.000 a very long time, and like the remote viewers will tell you, they 616 00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:24.440 were busy with law enforcement and different agencies coming to them to remote view stuff. 617 00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:30.000 Now, I've interviewed Joe McGonagall, who is allegedly the best remote viewer 618 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:35.280 at that time in that program, and he was only twenty percent accurate. 619 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.440 This should give you pause when you're listening to people who say the remote viewers 620 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.039 the best are about twenty percent accurate. So why was the program such a 621 00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:47.440 big deal? I asked, and why were people coming to you? And 622 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:51.719 he said this, which makes a lot of sense. If you're a law 623 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:55.480 enforcement person and you're sitting on a cold case, twenty percent is better than 624 00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.760 zero percent because you've gone nowhere, your case has gone cold, you don't 625 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:05.000 know where to look. Go to a remote viewer. They can hopefully give 626 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.880 you some clues, and you know, at least you got a twenty percent 627 00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:14.440 chance of solving this case rather than zero. So that was what was really 628 00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:22.119 important. So how put Off has been doing this for a very long time. 629 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.480 Then he goes to work for Bigelow, and then and he becomes part 630 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.199 of this project. And so he's been working at this and successful now over 631 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:35.000 the years. The bottom right you see the National Institute of Discovery Sciences, 632 00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:39.760 which I mentioned before, which was the original Robert Bigelow organization. Now to 633 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:44.400 the bottom left. This is kind of interesting. When I first started doing 634 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:49.119 this talk, this was more controversial what I'm going about to tell you than 635 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.480 it is now because more information has come out. But I am one of 636 00:51:52.519 --> 00:52:00.159 the few people that was in many of the meetings not to create this relationship, 637 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:05.400 but to implement the relationship, and that is a relationship between Big Low 638 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:09.079 Aerospace and the Mutual UFO network. It was a short, I think ten 639 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:16.360 month period where Bigelow was going to give fund movefund to do quick investigations, 640 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.840 to be able to fund them, to actually investigate, have people who are 641 00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.719 paid full time boots that can get boots on the ground quickly, have the 642 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:30.119 equipment, and then he would do the research should there be any research to 643 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:37.880 be done. Now, at the time, we thought this relationship was just 644 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.719 with Big Low Aerospace. Little did we know and this was two thousand and 645 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.239 nine. Little did we know that this was funded by the government and by 646 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:51.880 the Pentagon. This was part of a tip because big Low was the one 647 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.920 hired. Big Low Aerospace was hired to essentially run the a tip investigations in 648 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.719 research. And to me, it makes per perfect sense. If I got 649 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:07.360 a million dollars or twenty million dollars and I'm told go for it, you 650 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.119 can investigate UFOs, one of the first things I'd probably do is go to 651 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:14.559 move on and say, hey, guys, you already have this network and 652 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:20.159 everything. Let's utilize that to see what we can do. It didn't work 653 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:27.199 out, and I'll share you my perspective as to why. But I think 654 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.840 to me that makes perfect sense. Now. Some of the criticisms where that 655 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:36.079 Bigelow was getting information that no one else was getting, that's not really true. 656 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:39.440 There's a lot of transparency, especially at that time. At that time, 657 00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:45.320 the database for the field investigators was very new. If you had a 658 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.920 field investigator log and you could see everything, and it doesn't take much. 659 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.639 You don't even have to meet anybody to become a field investigator. You buy 660 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.960 the book, you study it, you take a test, boom you've got 661 00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:01.199 your login and you've got access. So everybody had access to everything. So 662 00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:06.039 people saying, oh, big lutics, No, he'd had as much access 663 00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:08.800 as we all have. Not only that, people were like, oh, 664 00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:13.400 but those cases they looked at were secret. No, I've written stories about 665 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.880 them. In fact, I was going to say, you can find them 666 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.159 on the Open Mind's TV website, but it's down right now. Hopefully I'll 667 00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:23.320 have it up tomorrow or the next day. But the Open Mind's TV I 668 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:28.519 printed the best cases and this is I work with the guy in charge of 669 00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:32.679 this team, the Star team, Richard Lang, to write those stories, 670 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.719 and you know, I work with them closely during this whole period of time. 671 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.320 And so I was given and I didn't. I wasn't given any special 672 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:44.320 Some people said, why did you guys give all the handro all this information? 673 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:46.920 Well, because I asked, and they would have given it to anybody 674 00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:51.639 that asked. And I was even told, well, you know, some 675 00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.360 people might be concerned if you write about these because they might think we're giving 676 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:59.960 you special access. And I'm like, are you like, if someone else 677 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:01.599 called, would you give them the infhone? They're like, yeah, of 678 00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:06.599 course we would. So I wasn't given none of us were given special access 679 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:12.960 to anything. He wasn't buying the files to go hide them off or anything. 680 00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:17.119 There's a lot of at least transparency as far as the move On files 681 00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:22.840 and the move On data and information. Bigelow has always been fairly secretive, 682 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:27.119 There's no doubt about that, and they rarely do share much of their findings 683 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.519 and they don't have a lot of good pr to be honest. But why 684 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:36.440 did it break down? My take on that we at mofon were a volunteer 685 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:40.840 organization. There were cases where Bigelow's like, get some boots on the ground, 686 00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:45.679 we need people out here now, and the closest person was one hundred 687 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:50.760 miles away and they couldn't get there till Tuesday, their next day off, 688 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.559 which is five six days away. That's the nature of move On. It's 689 00:55:53.599 --> 00:56:00.599 a volunteer organization where everybody's trying their best when they have time to do it, 690 00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.679 when they don't have to. You know, they're not getting calls from 691 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.559 their honey when they're to work the to do list, you know, when 692 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:12.480 they're not taking care of their kids, when they're not working on a hobby, 693 00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.280 working out at the gym, whatever else we all got in our lives. 694 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.320 When we have time, we work on it. And as many of 695 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.960 you probably agree, it's hard to find time in your life for different things 696 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:28.719 like your hobbies and stuff. So that's really at the root of the breakdown. 697 00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:35.360 It wasn't a professional corporate environment. This was a hobbyist type of thing, 698 00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.320 and I know we all take it more seriously than the hobby, but 699 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:45.000 it's in that group more so than an engineering research organization or a law enforcement 700 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:51.119 organization. And so there were breakdowns, and there was also disagreements over money 701 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:57.440 and things like that between the state or the international director James carry On, 702 00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.360 who was very good, I felt, but eventually that led to fights where 703 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:07.079 Carrion left and the whole program broke down. Now on the far left, 704 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:12.199 you see Harry Reid. We've already talked about him, but like I said, 705 00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:15.480 he had been friends with big Low, so he was getting information about 706 00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.800 all of this. And then doctor coolem Kellahar, who you see up in 707 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:24.639 the upper left. He's also important because he's been the head scientist for all 708 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:30.199 the paranormal stuff for Robert Bigelow. And we'll talk more about him in a 709 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:35.599 second too. Let me get back here. See if there's questions, Oh, 710 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:42.719 somebody, Carl Anderson's talking about remote viewing. Right. He also said, 711 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:50.400 answer her not worth dying for? Well, probably right, I'm gonna 712 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:55.400 risk it, okay. George Knapp, George NAP's really important. He's important 713 00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:02.320 to this story because he's released the most important data post the New York Times, 714 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:07.519 I think, not all of it, but the vast majority. He's 715 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:12.599 an award winning journalist. He's got like a couple dozen awards, tons of 716 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:15.320 awards. He's the guy, like I said, who made Area fifty one 717 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:21.960 famous. He also wrote a book with doctor Kella harr and I thought I 718 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.840 had it listed there, but it's The Hunt for the skin Walker. So 719 00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:31.440 one of the things that Bigelow researched was this ranch. You guys probably all 720 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:37.000 know this in Utah that allegedly has a bunch of paranormal but there will be 721 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:42.000 some people watching this who don't know. That's why I'll review it. And 722 00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:45.079 you know, there's supposedly a lot of paranormal stuff going on there. We'll 723 00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:52.199 talk some more about that in a little bit. And so him and keller 724 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:58.320 Hard wrote a book about it. Some of the breaking news, the USS 725 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:05.360 Nimitz leaked one of the documents that I think is extremely important that really doesn't 726 00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:08.320 get enough press. And if you're not aware of this document, you really 727 00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:15.719 need to download it and keep it on hand, because it is a document 728 00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:22.119 that is a summary of the Nimits encounter. And according to everybody assumed, 729 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:29.079 oh, it had to be somebody's in Bigelow's organization. No. George Knapp 730 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:31.800 said it was a military document. It doesn't look like typical military, but 731 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:37.920 that's what he claimed. Luis Alsondo has told me that it is it was 732 00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:43.599 written by the military for the military, that it wasn't bats and that's the 733 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:49.159 only description he's given me is by the military for the military. Why is 734 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:55.199 it incredible because it not only outlines the what had happened with witness accounts and 735 00:59:55.280 --> 01:00:00.880 many witnesses, to radar people, jet fighter pilots, all of these people, 736 01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:05.719 but it also goes on to speculate. It says there was a submarine 737 01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:10.480 in the water. The sub did not detect anything in the water like what 738 01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:16.199 David Faber saw under the UFO, but it also speculates that this could have 739 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:22.239 been an object that submerged into the water that the tic TAC came out of 740 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:29.480 that's possible. I can't remember what else, but it's got some really interesting 741 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:35.719 speculation in there. George Knapp also told us about how Harry Reid fought for 742 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:39.960 funding. He had to. It was a really hard time to get the 743 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:45.400 project. He also said the Pentagon project studied more than just ufbo's So I 744 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:52.519 think that's what we're getting into now. Yeah, it is so and the 745 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.000 Pentagon so all of these things. What does it mean fought for funding Pentagon 746 01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:02.280 project. Here's what it means. So this is what people still don't A 747 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:10.280 lot of people still don't get. George Knapp revealed that it wasn't that twenty 748 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:16.280 million dollars that The New York Times talked about to go to a tip was 749 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:23.159 not just for a tip. It was actually to go towards this company called 750 01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:30.039 the or this program that was called the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Program AWSAP, 751 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:36.199 and it ran from two thousand and seven to twenty eleven. That's what the 752 01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:39.519 program was slated for. And here's the wild stuff. Do I have a 753 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:44.039 slide for the wild stuff? Not really, we'll get into it. So 754 01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:47.400 I'll just explain it to you. Because this is good. Some of you 755 01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:51.400 may know this, especially if you've written read my articles, because I try 756 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:55.079 to highlight this in several different articles. But the first program, the program 757 01:01:55.119 --> 01:02:00.559 to get the twenty million dollars, was AWSAP. How did this get started? 758 01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.880 Well, we don't have the full story. Here's the full story that 759 01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.800 George Knapp was able to reveal, and I think he revealed a lot of 760 01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:14.400 this for the first time in my interview with him on Open Minds Radio. 761 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:22.079 In fact, I was in at a conference at Devil's Tower in the lobby. 762 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:24.840 I think Lee Spiegel was there and I was in the lobby doing this 763 01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:35.480 interview. So it was actually the Skinwalker Ranch that prompted the creation of this 764 01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:40.320 program, and it was much more than just UFOs. It was regarding all 765 01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:50.000 practically every paranormal phenomena. So how it started is that DIA agent that was 766 01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:54.880 talked about in the New York Times article. He didn't just visit with Bigelow. 767 01:02:55.239 --> 01:03:01.000 He actually said, Hey, I want to go visit the Biglow the 768 01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:07.239 Skinwalker Ranch. How did he know about it? So the Skinwalker Ranch was 769 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:12.760 purchased in the nineties by Robert Bigelow and they began their investigations. I'll talk 770 01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:15.800 a little bit more about some of the rumors and stuff about the Skinwalker. 771 01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:24.119 Well, I guess because I have some pictures here. So if you don't 772 01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:29.480 know about Skinwalker, you've got to read the book Hunt for the Skinwalker. 773 01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.400 That's what it looks like with coin Killerhart and George Knapp. There's also been 774 01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:37.360 a documentary out called Hunt for the Skinwalker by Jeremy Corbel. But some of 775 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.639 the weirdness ads happened there. For instance, this is a pin. A 776 01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:44.280 lot of people know this story. I know a lot of you know it. 777 01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:49.039 But there was just lots of weird stuff that would happen. So they 778 01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:52.159 had, for instance, these giant wolves that would come around. There was 779 01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:57.280 a time where this giant wolf came around and they're petting it like that's what 780 01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:00.039 they called it. They said it was humongous and they were petting this thing. 781 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:03.719 But then it went over and I think it was to these rails and 782 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:08.639 they grabbed one of their cabs heads. So they were freaked out. They 783 01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:11.440 tried to get it to stop. They're hitting it, it wouldn't stop. 784 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:15.920 They start shooting it with the gun. It doesn't flinch. They take out 785 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.880 a larger gun and shoot it. A piece of flesh goes flying off, 786 01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:25.000 and finally this thing's like eh and walks away. They follow it, and 787 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:29.239 they follow it to there was no blood, and they follow it to where 788 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.480 princes disappeared. It was gone. They don't know what happened to this thing, 789 01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:35.679 but they would see these things in the distance. They had cattle mutilations. 790 01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:42.400 They had, you know, in this pin. They had just boughten 791 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.920 a bunch of huge bulls and they were you know, in their their pin 792 01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:51.559 there, and the ranchers went away and came back and the bulls were gone. 793 01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:55.480 They're freaked out because they spent a lot of money to buy them, 794 01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:59.760 and they the rancher goes over to look to see if you can figure out 795 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.679 what happened, and it turned. He opens the door, not this one, 796 01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:06.239 because that one it was a different at the door on the left here 797 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:10.159 or now. The door in the left is the one that's closed. It's 798 01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:13.360 the one that has that thing in front of it. He looks in the 799 01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:16.360 door and they're all in there, and they're completely silent, but they get 800 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.880 startled by him looking in there, and they push their way out. They 801 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:25.599 break the stuff down like I guess they destroyed a bunch of stuff and it 802 01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:28.679 was just this crazy thing. And in the video you could see it wouldn't 803 01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:31.000 be easier for them to get up there, but they saw balls of light. 804 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:33.880 In fact, this is what finally did it in for the family. 805 01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:39.440 They're dogs who of course everybody loves their dogs, but they were really afraid 806 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.119 for them, so they'd bring them in at night because so much weird stuff 807 01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:45.039 was happening. Well, one time they saw these orbs floating around the dogs 808 01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:49.039 chase them. They heard a weird noise like a yelp, but they didn't 809 01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:53.000 venture out at night, so they had to wait the next day. During 810 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:56.960 the light. They go out there and they find like these grease spots and 811 01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.039 they never see their dogs again. They feel like maybe they're dogs were destroyed 812 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.400 or something, so they're done. At this point, they sell it to 813 01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:08.159 the Bigelow and the rest is history. So a lot of weird stuff going 814 01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:14.480 on here, but during these investigations, Bigelow didn't want anybody sharing it. 815 01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.840 Even though George Knapp was aware of what was going on, he was not 816 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:24.480 allowed to write or share that information at all, but he was allowed to 817 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:28.920 film, so he would film in order to do news pieces on the Skinwalker 818 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:33.599 Ranch, but Bigelow would not let him do it. So in this documentary 819 01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:38.039 right here, Hunt for the Skinwalker, you actually get to see some of 820 01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:44.039 that footage that George Knapp had filmed way back in the day. Finally, 821 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:48.360 in around two thousand and two, the paranormal phenomena had subsided. There wasn't 822 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:55.079 much going on, so finally at this point George Knapp is allowed to write 823 01:06:55.079 --> 01:07:00.280 this book with Colm Kallahar. It becomes huge and just as big Low feared, 824 01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.280 a bunch of people try to come to the Skinwalker Ranch. That's why 825 01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:10.599 he didn't want any publicity, and it got fairly famous, so he didn't 826 01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:13.760 want that to happen. But one of the people who read the book was 827 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:17.880 this DIA agent and he actually said, I want to come visit the ranch. 828 01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.079 So he does. They allow him, and they didn't allow many people, 829 01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:26.960 but they allowed this DIA Defense Intelligence Agency officer to come do that. 830 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:32.519 Well. Allegedly, this officer had his own paranormal experience right from the get 831 01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:36.039 go, with the first day that he got there, which is rare because 832 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:40.559 some people have been there for a long time have not had their own paranormal 833 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:46.079 experience, and so he's really freaked out by this paranormal experience. He didn't 834 01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:51.920 share what that experience was, but now it's out there. But essentially he 835 01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:59.440 could see only at his vantage point, some kind of elliptical kind of a 836 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:04.039 infinity, kind of eight symbol type of thing that somehow morphed And I don't 837 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:08.840 know the full story, to be honest, but it really shocked him and 838 01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:13.599 he was really an important personal experience. So he went to Harry Reid. 839 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:15.560 He said, I had a paranormal experience out there. I know, you 840 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:20.279 know, paranormal stuff is going on out there, Harry Reid, we need 841 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:26.920 to investigate as the United States government. Harry Reid said, yeah, you're 842 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:31.720 right, let's do this. So they started the project to investigate all the 843 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:39.520 paranormal. However, they ran into trouble very very quickly, and this is 844 01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:44.880 why Harry Reid had to struggle to protect it and everything which was it was 845 01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:50.560 the religious organizations. So there are very religious people in the government. We 846 01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:56.279 know this, you know, you hear from some of the evangelicals and stuff 847 01:08:56.319 --> 01:09:01.039 that are in there, but they don't like the paranormal. They feel it's 848 01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:09.960 from the devil. So they are so influential that they got this program killed 849 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:19.840 as soon as it started. Essentially, so what happened was that they had 850 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:27.560 seen that the Christians, the Evangelicals were not going to put up with a 851 01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:30.800 paranormal research organization. It just wasn't going to happen. They saw they were 852 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:35.760 going to get squashed. Incidentally, this is what happened to how put Off's 853 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:42.880 remote viewing program. It got squashed because of religious fundamentalists. They didn't want 854 01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:45.720 the remote viewing to have a budget, and they got it squashed. That's 855 01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:50.079 why it stopped, not because people weren't finding it useful or getting results. 856 01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:54.560 It was a religious faction. So here they are back at it again. 857 01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:58.560 How put Off and others are doing more of their crazy devil stuff. We 858 01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.279 got to shut it down, and so they did see that, well, 859 01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:08.199 maybe we can spin off a subset of our organization. We'll call it a 860 01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:13.479 TIP, the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, and we'll just look at military 861 01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:17.720 UFO cases. Hopefully they'll leave us alone if we do that, because the 862 01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:20.840 rest is going to die on the vine, and it did. They were 863 01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:27.520 exactly right when they did separate this a TIP group they brought in Lou Alizondo. 864 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.399 Lou Alezondo ran this program. In fact, the program was in the 865 01:10:30.439 --> 01:10:34.920 DIA, he moved it over to OSD where he was and so that's what 866 01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:40.720 a tip was. I asked Leslie Kane, why didn't you cover that in 867 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.079 the New York Times article? And she said, well, we interviewed Lou 868 01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:46.399 Alezondo. He didn't tell us about that. He only told us about a 869 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:49.560 tip, and that makes sense. I asked Lou, is that true? 870 01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:53.359 And Lou said, yeah, all I knew was a tip. I wasn't 871 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.520 part of that earlier stuff. I was part of a tip. So I 872 01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:00.520 just told her about a tip and that's what they've ran with. So there's 873 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.920 the true paranormal history of this organization that not a lot of people know about. 874 01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:11.680 That was how it became from the beginning. Some of the people involved 875 01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.479 with the project. This is just a video from Colonel John Alexander. He 876 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:21.560 helped Bigelow establish NIDS and we have actually our most watched video is Colonel Alexander 877 01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:28.359 talking about some of his experienced experiences at the Skinwalker ranch. So you can 878 01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:32.319 go check out our Open Minds TV video. But there's another gentleman Oh, 879 01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:36.119 here's the case. He talked about where these poles. They had this security 880 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:42.319 video out there, and you know, something was ripping the cameras off the 881 01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:45.159 poles, and they even had a camera looking at the pole and they couldn't 882 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:49.159 figure out what the heck was going on. But doctor Davis, this is 883 01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:56.479 the next part that we'll talk about. Doctor Davis is one of the NIDS 884 01:11:56.520 --> 01:12:00.760 guys, and he's also part of os APP. He's important and for many 885 01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.960 reasons. Right now you probably hear about him a lot, especially with this 886 01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:09.720 alleged meeting he had with an Admiral Wilson that some UFO people are talking about 887 01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:15.239 quite a bit. But he supposedly is like a magnet for the paranormal. 888 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:17.920 He had a lot of the paranormal experiences. In fact, he says, 889 01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.680 for instance, one of the most famous ones, he was up on a 890 01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:26.239 ridge with another researcher. He had like these binoculars and he looks down into 891 01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:30.199 the valley below them. They see something bright and shiny. He said. 892 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.920 It grew and grew and grew until it looked like some kind of portal, 893 01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:38.239 and some kind of creature crawled out of it into the forest. Now, 894 01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:42.000 this is about two o'clock in the morning and these guys are up on this 895 01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:46.880 ridge at night. Very scary experience. So supposedly he had other experiences like 896 01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:53.439 that. But he's one of the scientists that worked with NIDS and Bigelow and 897 01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:59.319 actually also worked with to the Stars, but I guess he's not anymore. 898 01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:03.560 He worked with how Put Up Help Put have had a company that Davis worked 899 01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:10.399 for. In that company, I guess is no longer. But yeah, 900 01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:16.880 that's how that all started. Wild Huh, what did I think? I 901 01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:25.520 mean, let's see, So here's the movie that you can see came out 902 01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:30.479 in September twenty eighteen, made My Jeremy Corbel. There's Jeremy and I in 903 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:34.760 Utah. I think Stacy. If you're still watching, you know Stacy Wright 904 01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:39.880 was out there with us. She's a head of Arizona. Move on. 905 01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.880 It was super cold out there, but yeah, he was talking about his 906 01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:54.680 film out there. So that's kind of the background and who all these people 907 01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:58.319 are. But we're going to get more into it because there's been news. 908 01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:02.560 Headlines have to come out since all of this, and these headlines are really 909 01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:10.680 important as to how these things came about. This one's important just because it 910 01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:14.479 turned out that they're you know, out of those three videos, we've only 911 01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:18.920 talked about one. The other two were from incidents between It turns out to 912 01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:24.760 be like between maybe twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen. The dates are a little 913 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:30.439 fuzzy with people, but with the new information, it seems like it started 914 01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:38.119 in twenty thirteen. But the Roosevelt are the Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group off of 915 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:43.720 the East coast between like Virginia and Florida. They were doing exercises and they 916 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:49.760 started experiencing things similar to the nimits. They were catching weird radar returns and 917 01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:54.760 in one case, you know, they really took it seriously when some kind 918 01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:59.359 of object had zipped right in between a couple f eighteens. But they were 919 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:02.199 able to cap sure objects on video twice. And this is where the other 920 01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:06.279 two videos come from. You know. The History Channel, of course, 921 01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:13.159 ran a television program called Unidentified that covered some of this and what was revealed 922 01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:16.640 because it was about to the Stars. It was about a tip really and 923 01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:24.439 the to the Stars investigations. But here's what resulted. Here's the Politico story. 924 01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:30.239 Brian Bender, who we talked about earlier, who broke helped break the 925 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:32.479 story in the beginning with The New York Times. He broke this story that 926 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:39.239 the US Navy was drafting new guidelines for reporting UFOs. So the Navy was 927 01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:42.560 very positive about this. They came out and said, yes, those videos 928 01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:46.119 are ours, and we take UFOs very seriously. In fact, we are 929 01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:50.399 going to draft new guidelines for UFOs. So that was one of the first 930 01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:55.319 stories that came out that was really big. Here's another one. This was 931 01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:59.840 written by the war Zone and this is guy's been really important, Tyler Roguaway. 932 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:05.319 This is a This website is owned by Times Magazine or the Times Corporation. 933 01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:11.039 It was started called The Drive, so it was about cars and stuff 934 01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:16.000 like that. But they also started a defense chapter or section of the website 935 01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:20.399 called the war Zone, where day in and day out they cover defense. 936 01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:27.399 They cover especially the objects, meaning the aircraft. So they carried the jets 937 01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:34.119 of the aircraft that are in wars. And here's a story, an important 938 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:40.720 story he wrote in May of twenty nineteen, multiple F eighteen pilots disclosed recent 939 01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:45.479 UFO counter encounters. New radar tech key in detection, and the reason he 940 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:50.920 brought this up is that both the Knimits and the Roosevelt when they began having 941 01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:59.079 these incidents, were testing out or implementing new radar systems. Does that have 942 01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:01.319 something to do with it? But some people got in the UFO field get 943 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:04.760 really upset. Are you trying to say that you know they're misidentifying blah blah 944 01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:09.079 blah blah blah. He's kind of is. He's not saying that's the case. 945 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:13.079 He's just asking the question. And I think we have to, you 946 01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:17.199 know, give him credit for doing the research, but also see things from 947 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:21.039 his perspective. This is a guy who works with the military on the regular 948 01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:27.039 basis, and now these UFO stories are coming out, it's his job to 949 01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:30.199 try to figure out what the heck is this. He's a tech expert, 950 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:35.720 and if you look in his articles, he's very clear about the technology that 951 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:43.279 is observed in these incidents and how it is technology that if any human has 952 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:46.920 it, it's a huge big deal. If this is a black project, 953 01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:50.399 that is a big deal. And he's making that point. So he's trying 954 01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:56.279 to figure out could it be And the one hand, what could it be? 955 01:17:56.359 --> 01:18:00.560 It couldn't be something extraordinary. On the other hand, it might be 956 01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:03.880 something that's ours, but it can't be. How can we have something like 957 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:08.920 that? And that's the struggle we see going on in his mind, which 958 01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:12.920 is also the struggle going on in many people's minds who are trying to take 959 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:16.600 this seriously but trying to make sense of it, especially tech guys, scientists, 960 01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:20.199 engineers, you know, trying to make heads or tails of all of 961 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:24.520 this. At least he's brave enough to write about it and put these stories 962 01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:28.319 out, and sure he proposes could it be this? But at the same 963 01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:31.760 time, if you read his stories, he says, maybe, but probably 964 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:34.439 not, because there's no way it could have been X, Y or z. 965 01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:42.000 Even the President said he was briefed on sightings. So you'll notice that 966 01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:45.239 this all came out this was an important period of time a year ago. 967 01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:51.840 Coincidentally, hmm. June fifteenth, twenty nineteen, Trump says he was briefed 968 01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:58.359 on navy sightings on UFOs. Essentially, he says, he even says, 969 01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:02.600 right here to think whatever they think. I did have one very brief meeting 970 01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:05.960 on it. But people are saying they're seeing UFOs, Do I believe it? 971 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:11.720 Not? Particularly President doesn't really care about UFOs. It doesn't seem like 972 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:15.359 but he says he was briefed and sure, if they want to look into 973 01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:17.640 UFOs they can, of course, he said more recently, but I don't 974 01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:21.520 think it's significant personally. Some people do, but I don't see it. 975 01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:29.640 Senators get classified briefing on sightings. Another Brian bore Bender story. This one 976 01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:34.119 came out four days after the last one, where he breaks the story that 977 01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:42.159 senators got a classified briefing on UFOs. He even mentioned Senator Mark Warner. 978 01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:46.279 There's another story. I think it's coming up soon. But Senator Mark Warner 979 01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:50.159 wrote a letter to the Navy saying, hey, I want to know more 980 01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:54.840 about this, and they kind of said, don't worry about it. Don't 981 01:19:54.880 --> 01:20:01.199 worry about it. Here's another Roquaway story. Recent UFO encounters with pilots occurred 982 01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:08.960 constantly across multiple squadrons. This is why we need these mainstream media people. 983 01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:13.159 This is why they're so important and why I'm so thrilled that they're involved with 984 01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:17.840 this because they have the connections. Roguaway is talking to pilots on a regular 985 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:21.640 basis now that this UFO stuff is out. He's like, hey, by 986 01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:25.199 the way, what do you think of these UFOs? And a lot of 987 01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:28.399 people are saying, oh, yeah, I see those UFOs. Notice this 988 01:20:28.439 --> 01:20:31.239 is June twentieth, the day after the last article, just to say how 989 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:35.399 compact and frequent this news is. So yeah, all these people are saying, 990 01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:38.720 yeah, we're seeing these UFOs. Big deal. You know, I'm 991 01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:41.520 a jet fighter pilot. We chase UFOs. That's what we do. Haven't 992 01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:47.239 you seen Independence Day? They didn't really say that, but you know, 993 01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:53.199 he found there's a lot of people claiming that they were seeing these things. 994 01:20:54.800 --> 01:21:01.119 Here's the Mark Warner story. He's upset Navy is withholding data on UFO sightings. 995 01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:06.800 This one September twenty nineteen. So Mark Warner one of those I think 996 01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:12.760 he's in the house. Yeah, he's a rep. He wrote that letter 997 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:15.039 that I said, and they blew him off. They said, I don't 998 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.199 worry about it. We report to the Intelligence Committee. Is essentially what he 999 01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:21.359 said. What they told him, and he was upset with it. He's 1000 01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:25.479 like, they're hiding stuff and they're not giving me the info that we want. 1001 01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:29.159 But he doesn't seem to have followed up on it. Again, this 1002 01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:33.119 is Brian Bender. Again. We wouldn't have these stories if some of these 1003 01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:40.119 media people weren't taking an interest in writing these stories for us. Thank goodness 1004 01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:45.600 for these mainstream media people. I'm telling you people. Here's another one. 1005 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:49.039 This is from September twenty nineteen. So a little bit later, the US 1006 01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:54.600 Navy just confirmed these videos are the real deal. This is what's funny. 1007 01:21:55.199 --> 01:22:00.039 So the Navy confirms that these videos are real. Yet it's not until about, 1008 01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:03.319 you know, nine months later, that the DoD says, oh, 1009 01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:09.279 yeah, we released these videos for the first time. No you didn't, 1010 01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:15.319 they've been out. I'll get more into that in a second right here. 1011 01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:19.720 Actually, this is a great story from Tyler Rogerway. Another excellent piece. 1012 01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:25.199 This is more recent April twenty sixth, twenty nineteen, and I'm going to 1013 01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:30.119 do a live stream on this topic, so I implore you to watch. 1014 01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:33.520 But he says, what the hell is going on with UFOs and the Department 1015 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:38.279 of Defense? And I'll give you a nutshell. You guys probably already know 1016 01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:44.439 it. I've lost a friend over the Department of Defense and their BS. 1017 01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:48.680 So let me tell you the story. So I've been good friends with John 1018 01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:53.039 Greenwald of the Black Vault for a long, long, many years, and 1019 01:22:53.079 --> 01:22:57.079 in fact, we all kind of had a working relationship. He would come 1020 01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.640 across something good on UFOs and he would say, hey, Alejandro just came 1021 01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:02.760 across something good. He would let me know what was up. I would 1022 01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:08.560 write a story on it, and you know, because he usually would release 1023 01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:13.199 kind of an analysis and the document that they're lengthy, and I would write 1024 01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:16.359 this concise story on putting it in history and everything, and that's how we 1025 01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:20.279 work together. Well, all of this comes along and he's like, I 1026 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:23.840 don't know. I don't buy these a tip guys, I don't buy this 1027 01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:28.000 Louel Azondo, he's lying to us. All the facts don't match up. 1028 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:31.119 And he was talking with the d D and the DD was telling him, 1029 01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:36.119 no, none of this is true. They said, Louelzando didn't work for 1030 01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:42.199 a tip, that a tip didn't investigate UFOs. The first thing they said 1031 01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:47.039 about the videos were that the DoD had nothing to do with the videos. 1032 01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:50.600 Now, the DoD is a the Department of Defense, which is out of 1033 01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:57.239 the Pentagon. So you hear these kind of terms intermingled, You'll hear DD, 1034 01:23:57.359 --> 01:24:01.479 and you'll hear Pentagon intermingled, because usually when you refer to the Pentagon, 1035 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:06.640 you mean the Department of Defense. Because that's where they're headquartered. However, 1036 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:13.279 those are also terms for the entire military organization, all the military. 1037 01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:18.159 That's who the DoD and the Pentagon represent the entire military, every branch. 1038 01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:23.319 So for the DoD to say we don't have anything to do with it, 1039 01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:27.960 that would imply the Navy doesn't have anything to do with it. The Navy 1040 01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:33.520 has obviously come out and said no, those videos were real. So the 1041 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:41.479 DODS really pushed back and essentially defamed Louel Alesando said everything he said was a 1042 01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:46.439 lie, and it's really unfortunate. Now John Greenwald believed them. He's like, 1043 01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:48.680 well, they're telling me this. They got to be right. This 1044 01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:53.800 is the official thing, and Loue Alexander's a liar and I would tell him 1045 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:57.159 no. I mean, I've talked to the guy. I've also talked to 1046 01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:00.600 other major players. It's not the case. And here's what some people didn't 1047 01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:05.840 understand in the journalism field. And Brian Bender put really well when I interviewed 1048 01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:11.279 him. You go to your sources. That's where you go and get information. 1049 01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:14.800 Hopefully you'll be able to get some people on the record, but that's 1050 01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:18.479 where that's where you're going to get the people who know. For instance, 1051 01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:23.039 who are the people who would know in this case whether or not Alexando was 1052 01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:27.079 telling the truth. Well, you would Harry Reid, who's very credible, 1053 01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:30.560 he's a senator, he's the guy who started the dang project. He would 1054 01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:35.319 know the people who worked under the project, such as doctor Putoff, doctor 1055 01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:41.279 Davis, Robert Bigelow himself. You know, these are all the people who 1056 01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:45.560 would know, all of whom we're confirming what Aleszondo had said. And I'm 1057 01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:49.600 sorry, but they're gonna know better than a press officer who's you know, 1058 01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:55.920 way way away, very far away from this whole everything, and may not 1059 01:25:56.000 --> 01:26:00.239 even have access to the information. So typically, in fact, the way 1060 01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:02.279 Brian Bender puts it, he rarely does boys because if I've got to do 1061 01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:05.520 a foya, then it's a waste of time for me because I'm not going 1062 01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:10.560 to get that information anytime soon. So that's going to be maybe a story 1063 01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:14.439 in another month or two. I'm working on my story right now. So 1064 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:17.159 that's why you develop sources, and you go to the sources, people on 1065 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:24.359 the inside who would have the no and in this process you talk to those 1066 01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:28.119 people. For instance, Brian Bender, in his process, he may talk 1067 01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.279 to a dozen people to confirm a story, but only two or three go 1068 01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:36.039 on the record and their quotes make it into the story. That's the way 1069 01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:41.640 this works. So that's why all the media people, George knapp, Leslie 1070 01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:45.680 Kane, Brian Bender, they were all saying loose telling the truth, and 1071 01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:49.560 all the people we talked to seems to be right. Those press people for 1072 01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:55.520 the DoD seem to be way off their rocker. They're totally talent it wrong 1073 01:26:56.239 --> 01:27:00.560 and so some people like John, We're getting upset with all those people and 1074 01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:02.960 myself saying why are you buying all this when the DD is saying he's lying. 1075 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:08.600 Well, it's like because we've confirmed this with first hand sources. So 1076 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:14.199 that's why. And they've been really weird. So they have gone back and 1077 01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:18.159 forth, whether a tip is UFOs or not, whether low works for the 1078 01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:23.199 government or not, whether a tip continued or not. They continued to say, 1079 01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:25.680 No, it ended in twenty twelve. No, it ended in twenty 1080 01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:29.479 twelve. It's true that the funding for the project ended in twenty twelve, 1081 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:33.359 but the program did not end in twenty twelve. In fact, recently, 1082 01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:43.199 in interviews with Roger Gassel, the Department of Defense has admitted that the there 1083 01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:50.520 are research organizations looking into incursions. The way they put it into military airspace, 1084 01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:58.039 you know, they're implying these UFOs. Then, when pinned down more 1085 01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:03.119 directly, Roger told, yes, we do have a UAP and Unidentified Aerial 1086 01:28:03.479 --> 01:28:11.560 Phenomena group. They are multi agency looking into this topic. That's what Alessando 1087 01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:15.600 told us from the beginning, So that came to be true too. What 1088 01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:19.359 about this story we're looking at here with Tyler Rogaway. What's so interesting about 1089 01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:26.479 this story is Tyler writes about his interactions with the DoD and he says, 1090 01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:36.479 I work with these pios, the press, the public relations officer. No, 1091 01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:42.800 I forget the name, I'm saying it wrong, but anyway, it's 1092 01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:50.920 the press officers. Somebody will probably correct me. Oh, I got about 1093 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:59.920 thirty minutes. But anyways, they had been telling him that, you know, 1094 01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:02.920 they had not been They were blowing Tyler off when he was asking about 1095 01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:06.479 UFOs. He's like, look, I work with the press people in the 1096 01:29:06.520 --> 01:29:11.119 military on a daily basis. Never do I have a problem working with them 1097 01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:14.720 or getting information or them getting back to me. But when it comes to 1098 01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:18.479 the UFO thing, they're freaking weird. He puts the whole history. They 1099 01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:21.399 say they're going to get back to me, then they don't. They apologize, 1100 01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:24.920 oh, we're sorry, we lost it in the shuffle, but then 1101 01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:30.439 it keeps happening. And so he did a very good job job documenting how 1102 01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:33.439 weird that was. And this is what's even more concerning. Lately, there's 1103 01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:41.640 been some emails to come out to show that the press person for the DoD 1104 01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:45.600 who has been mucking up everything and been completely interaccurate. Her name is Susan 1105 01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:50.239 go or GoF, I'm not sure how to say it, it's gou Gh. 1106 01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:56.479 She has told all the other agencies that they need to go through her 1107 01:29:56.800 --> 01:30:01.680 whenever they're asked about UFOs now, including FOYA documents, which is weird because 1108 01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:09.920 FOYA is different than the public relations people, so that shouldn't be a public 1109 01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:15.359 relations person who now you have to go through to get the whole idea between 1110 01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:19.800 FOYA is you request a document, they send you the document. There's no 1111 01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:25.920 spin or cleansing that's supposed to happen from some press agent. But now she's 1112 01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:28.840 saying it has to go through me, and they've all said, okay, 1113 01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:32.800 we'll let it all go through you. So the most inaccurate person is the 1114 01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:38.079 one that all this information has to go through. Now the person that Tyler 1115 01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:43.159 Rogaway is writing about. Why we can speculate. But I think it's just 1116 01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:45.319 obvious people. They were not happy, and it kind of makes sense. 1117 01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:54.039 I wrote this tweet today that Alezondo totally usurped the way that this information is 1118 01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:57.800 supposed to come out, and he did. He went to his superiors to 1119 01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:00.720 try to get the information or up the line. They didn't want any of 1120 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:05.119 it. So he decided, Okay, then I'm leaving and I'm feeding this 1121 01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:10.760 stuff to the press, which he did, and he's been very successful. 1122 01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:15.720 In fact, let's talk about it right here. Here's the big story from 1123 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:23.479 yesterday. Senators want the public to see the government's UFO reports. So what 1124 01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:31.000 has happened is the Senate Intelligence Committee, headed by Marco Rubio, has written 1125 01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:38.439 in their bill regarding you know, Senate intelligence issues, funding issues, that 1126 01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:42.960 they want a report and here's where they want to report from. This is 1127 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:49.199 really interesting. They want to report from the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force headed 1128 01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:58.079 up by the Office of Naval Intelligence OHNI. What so Lou worked in OSD. 1129 01:31:58.760 --> 01:32:02.840 That's where his group was brought to but now it's headed up and overseen 1130 01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:09.560 by the Navy. Obviously the Navy had these issues. But you may be 1131 01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:12.359 thinking, well, that's only one group. How do we know that this 1132 01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:15.279 is the only group out there. They were clear, we want to know 1133 01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:24.119 and hear get a report from every UAP research group or people looking into UAPs 1134 01:32:24.199 --> 01:32:30.279 in every agency, including the FBI. So it's very comprehensive. It's only 1135 01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:35.279 two pages, but they want this report from everybody. They don't want anybody 1136 01:32:35.359 --> 01:32:40.359 left out of this report. You can go read it in this story or 1137 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:47.079 it's all ablaze on Twitter. What they asked for is there essentially, and 1138 01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:50.840 this is how Chris Mellen has put it. He when asked on Twitter in 1139 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:59.439 the last couple of days that they're upset. The Senate is saying, why 1140 01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:03.560 we're not at the Senate Intelligence Group? Who is exactly who? Mark Warner 1141 01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:08.479 you know, was told, well, we're giving information to Senate Intelligence so 1142 01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:11.479 you don't have to worry about it. The intelligence committees are who we talked 1143 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:16.079 to. But the Senate Intelligence community or committee is saying, why didn't we 1144 01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:19.399 know about this? How come? Why do we have to read about this 1145 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:24.840 in the New York Times. We should have been briefed on this at some 1146 01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:29.119 point, but you kept it from us. And that's what Lou was trying 1147 01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:32.439 to do, is get that information up the ladder, getting everybody in the 1148 01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:36.199 know that this is a real phenomena. This is really something we need to 1149 01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:44.319 think about. So talk about vindication. This is major vindication for Lou Elizondo, 1150 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:47.960 who has had a tough road to go. You know, the UFO 1151 01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:53.680 community was really negative and really you know, not nice to him when he 1152 01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:57.279 came out. He thought they were going to be overjoyed because he wanted to 1153 01:33:57.359 --> 01:34:01.119 just share UFO stuff with everybody, and that that wasn't the case. Luckily, 1154 01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:05.520 that's changed over time and now people are much more receptive to hear what 1155 01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:12.000 he says, but not everybody. I still get harassed by people, what 1156 01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:15.319 that dark journalist guy. I don't know some of who's a friend who harasses 1157 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:19.199 me. Jimmy Church, but I went on his show and I say him 1158 01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:23.600 straight. They just don't have all the information in some cases, That's how 1159 01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:26.880 I feel it was with Jimmy Church. But people who are still questioning some 1160 01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:32.319 of this stuff that's well established and from many different angles we've been able to 1161 01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:35.479 confirm, you know, a lot of this information. So he's had a 1162 01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:42.920 tough row, but finally we've got vindication in this. Now this report is 1163 01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:47.479 not They're asking this report to be submitted in March of twenty twenty one, 1164 01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:54.760 and this bill has not passed yet. Brian Bender keeps an eye on this 1165 01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:58.760 stuff. That's his job. He says, nobody has complained about this yet, 1166 01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:02.159 so it's very possible it'll go through, But once it leaves the Senate, 1167 01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:05.000 it needs to be approved by the House, and then it needs to 1168 01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:09.960 be approved by the President. So we'll see if it makes it. And 1169 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:13.319 then even if it does make it, they have until March of twenty twenty 1170 01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:17.760 one to write this. However, all hope is not lost. And you 1171 01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:21.039 know what, I'm gonna share something new with you because this is the end 1172 01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:30.439 and it's about this. So there is a guy online who has been tweeting. 1173 01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:35.640 He's obviously an insider. James Graywood was a tweet that he was using 1174 01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:43.239 that I'm referring to in particular, and he outlined for me what he feels 1175 01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:46.000 is going on, and I think he's exactly correct. He's essentially telling me 1176 01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:53.159 what Chris Mellon's strategy was Chris Mellon's strategy was this he says, and I 1177 01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:55.920 think he's right, and you'll see this born out in what has happened. 1178 01:35:56.359 --> 01:36:01.720 That their plan when they package that media package him and Lou and they went 1179 01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:05.680 to Brian Bender and Leslie Kane to try to get this story out there. 1180 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:12.880 It was the intent was to make a big splash, That's what they wanted 1181 01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:15.479 to do, which they did, and do what Lou was trying to do 1182 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:19.000 in the beginning, get the attention of everybody out there that, look, 1183 01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:26.800 this is a real program. Then the idea is to and maybe the DoD 1184 01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:30.119 knew this and this is why they were fighting it. Then the idea is 1185 01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:34.439 to let me come face to face with you guys, hopefully you don't mind. 1186 01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:44.600 The idea was to get the DoD to admit that this program exists. 1187 01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:50.319 And that is really important because then once they admit that the program exists, 1188 01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:57.199 it gives us our own legal tool as citizens of the United States to seek 1189 01:36:57.239 --> 01:37:02.479 information about these programs that we didn't know about and we're being denied existed at 1190 01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:09.000 all. But not only us, it gives our representatives in Washington d c 1191 01:37:09.640 --> 01:37:13.640 the opportunity to say, hey, why didn't we know about this? We're 1192 01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:18.279 supposed to know about this, which is exactly what's happening. Brian Bender wrote 1193 01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:25.560 that article that these guys were briefed a year ago. This isn't something new, 1194 01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:30.840 This is something that these politicians have been working on. Mark Warner obviously 1195 01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:38.199 is interested in They're interested in this topic. So they've rolled into this bill 1196 01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:42.680 that we want this report. Let's say it doesn't make it for some reason. 1197 01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:51.279 I think the evidence exists that this program was so successful, you know 1198 01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:57.560 Mellon's plan, that there is a lot of momentum in DC to get answers 1199 01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:01.720 about UFOs and about what they found and what they've been doing. So I 1200 01:38:01.760 --> 01:38:06.880 don't think even if this question gets taken off of the bill, it's not 1201 01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:13.159 going to stop them. They're asking questions now. The ball's rolling and there's 1202 01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:15.640 a lot of people ask what are to the stars doing. I know for 1203 01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:21.800 a fact, because luckily I do get to talk to Lou sometimes, Chris 1204 01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:26.520 not really, but some of the others, and they this is where they've 1205 01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:30.960 been working. They've been in DC. You can see on social media they've 1206 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:34.560 been in DC a lot they're in DC, asking questions, trying to get 1207 01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:41.199 answers about what's going on and that because that's what they want. So this 1208 01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:44.760 is a good thing. This is really exciting. There's a lot going on 1209 01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:49.319 behind the scenes that we just don't see, but it's all advocacy for this 1210 01:38:49.560 --> 01:38:56.079 topic. That's why it's so important right now that we act and work in 1211 01:38:56.119 --> 01:39:03.439 a professional manner that we try to shuttle information in a credible manner, information 1212 01:39:03.479 --> 01:39:09.640 that is substantiated, because that's only going to open doors. Let's say I'm 1213 01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:13.560 not as conspiratorial some of you will know. I'm not, as you know, 1214 01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:17.000 definite on some of the more fringy sort of topics in this field. 1215 01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:23.079 But if you really want to get some of that information out there, the 1216 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:30.199 way to open doors is to first gain their trust by feeding some substantiated, 1217 01:39:30.439 --> 01:39:34.960 credible information. Those people don't know about Washington, DC in nineteen fifty two 1218 01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:41.279 and that the blue Book. You know, leadership, we're at Reagan Airport. 1219 01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:47.159 They took over the tower at Reagan Airport in July nineteen fifty two and 1220 01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:51.520 to try to see a UFO encounter and got a front seat to one of 1221 01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:58.239 the most incredible UFO encounters very similar to the Nimtz situation. Scramble jets, 1222 01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:01.239 these things out maneuvered jets. They don't know about some of this stuff. 1223 01:40:01.479 --> 01:40:05.000 They don't know that every country has been having these things happen to them. 1224 01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:11.600 They don't care about UFOs. UFOs haven't been on their radar until now. 1225 01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:15.840 So things have changed people. It's a big deal, and we need to 1226 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:19.159 change too. You don't have to, but what I'm saying is that some 1227 01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:23.319 of us do. Some of us need to be even more careful than we 1228 01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:28.439 have been before, people like Leive Spiegel, who has been embedded in mainstream 1229 01:40:28.479 --> 01:40:30.399 media for many years. You know, we just have to be more careful 1230 01:40:30.439 --> 01:40:35.840 these days on how we do things if we want to remain credible and keep 1231 01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:42.439 this field credible and everything going forward. A couple other points I want to 1232 01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:45.800 make is that I think that it would make sense that Chris Mellen did have 1233 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:49.880 a strategy going into this, and it looks like his strategy is paying off 1234 01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:55.640 in spades at this point. They've created a ton of momentum. I think 1235 01:40:55.680 --> 01:41:00.560 it's a really important point that Loue Elizondo has been so indicated as much as 1236 01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:05.439 he has. You know, the Tim mcmill and I interviewed the other day 1237 01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:10.479 and he said Susan Go told him something like, oh, she couldn't confirm 1238 01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:15.399 whether Alezanda worked in a tip or or what he did, because he's been 1239 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:20.199 retired now for so long. What they obviously don't want to speak to this, 1240 01:41:20.319 --> 01:41:25.319 and there's something funny going on there, hopefully, and I'm hearing we 1241 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:30.159 will find out a little bit more about that because there are some rocks that 1242 01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:36.520 have been turned over, and there are some skeletons in some closets, so 1243 01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:44.000 there will be more information coming out that way. And there has been a 1244 01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:46.960 shakeup regarding all of that, and there is a battle going on that we 1245 01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:53.399 don't even see regarding all of this. So at the same time, you 1246 01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:59.960 know they've been We've got some really strong advocates in Washington when it comes to 1247 01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:03.479 Louise Elizando and Chris Mellen, and we don't even know who these other ones 1248 01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:08.520 are. Now I'm going to go ahead and answer some questions. So let's 1249 01:42:08.520 --> 01:42:12.840 see, Alejandro, do you think Mattis is or will be involved with this 1250 01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:16.479 in some way? I would guess that he now is being able to get 1251 01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:21.439 information. I don't know if he's reached out to Louise Elisondo, but hopefully 1252 01:42:21.479 --> 01:42:26.760 he has. But I would guess that he is now getting some information. 1253 01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:30.760 What he'll do with it, we don't know. He's now a private citizen, 1254 01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:34.199 so we'll see. Maybe he'll get interviewed about it at least at some 1255 01:42:34.359 --> 01:42:39.800 point. Do you think treaties exist between aliens and governments. I do not 1256 01:42:40.119 --> 01:42:47.479 personally believe that. I don't. I just personally don't feel that. I 1257 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:50.520 feel that the government is in dark about a lot of this, just like 1258 01:42:50.600 --> 01:42:55.279 everybody else. And not to say that they don't have more information. They 1259 01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:59.399 obviously do. They definitely do, but it doesn't mean they are able to 1260 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:03.479 make headritch tales of it. And it doesn't mean that any visiting, you 1261 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:10.319 know, people should that be what's going on, would care about our government 1262 01:43:10.439 --> 01:43:13.960 or what they would have to say. They couldn't be just doing their own 1263 01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:19.239 thing without any sort of I don't think they need any consent. Let's say 1264 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:24.039 the abduction phenomena is real, which I don't know if it is, but 1265 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:27.359 it's somebody that can come snatch someone out of their bed in the middle of 1266 01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:30.479 a busy neighborhood and nobody else notice what do they care about the government. 1267 01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:35.479 Why don't UFOs just land in public? I don't know. I think it's 1268 01:43:35.479 --> 01:43:41.800 a great question because if there is an intelligence behind this phenomena, it obviously 1269 01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:49.119 doesn't want to it's being sneaky. It is being sneaky by design. Do 1270 01:43:49.159 --> 01:43:56.399 you think WiFi is an alien thing? I don't actually, But this lets 1271 01:43:56.439 --> 01:44:00.079 me plug another story. I did write an article indent of recently that I 1272 01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:04.399 really really like and I think people should check out because it's about Nikola, 1273 01:44:04.520 --> 01:44:12.560 Tesla and Marconi, and there's a debate over who invented radio, Marconi or 1274 01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:18.000 Tesla, Regardless, they both feel when they were working on the technology of 1275 01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:24.239 radio, they receive signals that they think we're Martian, that they think we're 1276 01:44:24.279 --> 01:44:39.119 aliens. Now we don't know, or we do know now that many oops 1277 01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:42.840 froze there for a second, but we know that there's a lot of radio 1278 01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:45.800 signals coming from space, and they didn't know that back then. But what's 1279 01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:55.279 interesting about this article I wrote is that Einstein and Edison responded. They actually 1280 01:44:55.520 --> 01:44:58.239 went on the record because media people ask, hey, what do you think 1281 01:44:58.239 --> 01:45:02.279 of Marconi and Tesla saying they talked to aliens or got radio signals from aliens, 1282 01:45:03.319 --> 01:45:09.199 and Edison said, yeah, they probably did. Essentially, Edison or 1283 01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:14.439 Einstein said, uh, well, I don't think that they got radio signals, 1284 01:45:14.439 --> 01:45:18.640 but there's definitely got to be extraterrestrial intelligent civilizations out there, but they 1285 01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:27.159 would probably communicate with lasers, lights, not radio. Interesting, interesting stuff. 1286 01:45:27.319 --> 01:45:30.000 That was a really good article I wrote, if I do say so 1287 01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:34.960 myself. It's in Den of Geek, and of course you can find it 1288 01:45:35.039 --> 01:45:39.960 on my social media and on my Patreon, which many of you are patrons 1289 01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:44.920 on my patreon. Do you think early on Tom was fed some disinfo? 1290 01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:49.119 I think that's entirely possible. And I think you bring up another great topic. 1291 01:45:49.159 --> 01:45:51.279 And I'm glad you brought this up because I wanted to mention it. 1292 01:45:51.319 --> 01:45:58.600 We've only got ten minutes, by the way, but there's disinfo out there. 1293 01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:03.239 J. The first time we heard about MJ twelve is in a document 1294 01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:11.159 called the Aquarius Document. It was given to a man named Benowitz by Bill 1295 01:46:11.239 --> 01:46:15.079 Moore at the behest of Rick Dody. Rick Doty was working for Air Force 1296 01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:21.520 Office of Special Investigations. He says he that this Benowitz guy was watching some 1297 01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:26.039 of the stuff they were doing, thinking he was seeing UFOs and aliens when 1298 01:46:26.039 --> 01:46:30.079 they were actually seek top secret projects. To throw him off the trail, 1299 01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:34.159 Rick Doty said he created fake documents to give to Benowitz to make him think 1300 01:46:34.159 --> 01:46:40.279 it was UFOs and aliens, but it was not. That's the origins of 1301 01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:45.960 MJ twelve people. The guy who passed the document, Bill Moore, was 1302 01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:54.960 Stanton Friedman's partner for nearly ten years. Bill Moore was passing this disinformation without 1303 01:46:55.039 --> 01:47:00.199 Stanton Friedman knowing. The MJ twelve documents, especially that first briefing document that 1304 01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:06.560 outs everybody. That document is nearly identical to much of Bill Moore and Stanton 1305 01:47:06.600 --> 01:47:12.239 Friedman's work. I don't think Friedman had anything to do with it. I 1306 01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:15.319 think Bill Moore definitely did. But these are problems. These are problems that 1307 01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:19.560 we and not only that, people say, well, maybe some of it's 1308 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:21.960 false and maybe some of it's true. We can't throw it all out, 1309 01:47:23.039 --> 01:47:28.359 Okay, let's say that. So let's say there's this group, the Cabal, 1310 01:47:28.720 --> 01:47:31.640 and they're like, okay, people might be coming getting onto us, 1311 01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:36.479 which they didn't. Nobody knew anything about MJ twelve before this document. They're 1312 01:47:36.520 --> 01:47:43.920 like, how do we hide ourselves hmm, let's hide our existence by revealing 1313 01:47:44.079 --> 01:47:50.279 the name of our group. All of the members of our group are procedures 1314 01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:56.800 on how we work and operate. We'll reveal everything about ourselves, and that's 1315 01:47:56.800 --> 01:48:01.319 how we'll keep ourselves secret. We're the most secretive organization ever in existence, 1316 01:48:01.640 --> 01:48:05.840 and we're going to keep ourselves secret by telling everybody. It doesn't make any 1317 01:48:05.880 --> 01:48:13.079 sense, Okay, do you think so? But so My point is we 1318 01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:20.760 haven't been sophisticated or smart enough as a community to thoroughly investigate what disinformation is 1319 01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:26.079 out there. We all feel that there is disinformation out there, but we 1320 01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:31.439 don't know what's disinformation. Yet we go espouse all of these things that are 1321 01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:39.880 unsubstantiated and incredibly dubious as real. That's silly. We really need to examine 1322 01:48:40.119 --> 01:48:46.039 what is disinformation so we can more intelligently and in a more educated manner no 1323 01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:53.439 separate that fact from fiction. And we need to bust those disinformationists. If 1324 01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:59.279 Richard Doty was really passing disinformation at the behest of his superiors, they need 1325 01:48:59.319 --> 01:49:02.520 to be busted because that's not legal. You can't do that. They need 1326 01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:08.079 to answer for it. I've worked with them via Foya I got foyas on 1327 01:49:08.279 --> 01:49:12.079 Richard Dody. When I did that, they told me the entire time, 1328 01:49:12.359 --> 01:49:15.359 They're going to let me talk to somebody who will go on the record and 1329 01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:20.039 answer questions about what Dody was doing. When I got my FOYA documents, 1330 01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:24.439 they said, nope, sorry, we can't do that. Why why wouldn't 1331 01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:28.479 they let me talk to somebody. It's very frustrating. I'm hoping that at 1332 01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:31.720 some point we can get that. Should we fear you fos? I don't 1333 01:49:32.039 --> 01:49:36.239 think so. I could be wrong. I've never feared eurofos, and I 1334 01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:40.520 chase them. I go to places where they are. At least Biegel, 1335 01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:45.039 if he's still in the room, had a very harrowing UFO experience, but 1336 01:49:45.239 --> 01:49:51.159 he was able to get away unscathed. This object essentially just flew over, 1337 01:49:51.199 --> 01:49:57.079 which was extraordinary, and he was there because Helen j Heinich told him to 1338 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:01.079 go there. But Jay Allen Heinich, I don't think we need to fear 1339 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:04.079 them. And in fact, I think this is important too that Chilean government 1340 01:50:04.479 --> 01:50:11.319 actually got together and had a meeting with their because they believe in UFOs, 1341 01:50:11.359 --> 01:50:14.800 their government and their military, so they had a lot of their leadership get 1342 01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:19.960 together to determine whether or not they felt UFOs were malevolent or benevolent. They 1343 01:50:20.000 --> 01:50:25.039 determined that they do not pose a threat. The worst threat that they pose 1344 01:50:25.079 --> 01:50:30.800 are pilots being distracted when they see them. So I think that's really interesting. 1345 01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:33.720 Do you think TTSA have a direct line to The New York Times. 1346 01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:39.479 They seem to synchronize. They certainly do not the New York Times. Nobody 1347 01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:43.800 has a direct line to the New York Times. They're very, very discriminating. 1348 01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:48.239 They're very discerning with their information. They are a newspaper of record. 1349 01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:51.760 Doesn't mean that they get it right all the time. Heck no, they 1350 01:50:51.840 --> 01:50:56.640 definitely don't always get it right. But they're very, very careful, and 1351 01:50:56.720 --> 01:51:00.560 their perspective is to be skeptical of everything, because that's how you have to 1352 01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:02.800 be when you're a good journalist. You have to be skeptical. It's kind 1353 01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:08.119 of like the null hypothesis. As a scientist, whatever it is you believe 1354 01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:12.560 you can prove, your job is to disprove that, and if you can't 1355 01:51:12.680 --> 01:51:15.359 disprove it, then you've got something, and then you send it out to 1356 01:51:15.399 --> 01:51:19.439 your partners, your colleagues to disprove it, and they attack it. But 1357 01:51:19.520 --> 01:51:25.119 if they can't disprove it, then you really got something. That's how science 1358 01:51:25.199 --> 01:51:29.199 works, That's often how journalism works. You attack it, try to figure 1359 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:33.560 out what's truth and what's not. And certainly people on the fringe like TTSA 1360 01:51:34.039 --> 01:51:38.000 do not have a direct line. I can tell you for a fact there 1361 01:51:38.039 --> 01:51:40.840 would have been a lot more stories because there were a lot more stories that 1362 01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:44.520 were attempted to be printed in the New York Times but were not allowed to. 1363 01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:48.079 However, someone with the credibility of a Chris Mellen does have more access. 1364 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:53.640 He was allowed to write his own op ed calling for exactly what's happening 1365 01:51:53.720 --> 01:51:59.880 right now, calling for the Senate to ask questions about UAPs. Heard rumors 1366 01:51:59.880 --> 01:52:02.479 are New York Time article? Have you heard about this? Yeah? I 1367 01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:08.760 have heard about these rumors of a New York Times article. My colleague Martin 1368 01:52:08.800 --> 01:52:13.720 Willis a podcast. UFO reached out to Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal, who 1369 01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:17.920 wrote that one original story. They said they had not heard about any New 1370 01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:21.880 York Times story. However, there have been a couple of UFO researchers who 1371 01:52:21.920 --> 01:52:26.039 have said I was contacted by someone who said they were working on a story 1372 01:52:26.039 --> 01:52:29.439 for The New York Times. That person might have just been trying to call 1373 01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:31.800 around to see if they can get see if there's any type of story out 1374 01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:38.560 there. But keep in mind, we're coming along the Roswell crash anniversary time 1375 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:43.520 period. And the President did the other day say something about Roswell. I 1376 01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:46.159 heard something about Roswell. He said, everybody's heard something weird about Roswell. 1377 01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:54.079 But that would be enough for a news story. But if it's your typical 1378 01:52:54.640 --> 01:52:57.800 Roswell tongue in cheek story, it's not going to be some kind of big 1379 01:52:57.920 --> 01:53:01.000 expose. A lot of people are hoping some kind of big stories going to 1380 01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:04.239 be worked out and it's going to be amazing. That'll be great. I 1381 01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:06.560 mean I would love that. I would love if, you know, we 1382 01:53:06.640 --> 01:53:12.159 had some whistleblower come out and say something, But I really don't see that 1383 01:53:12.399 --> 01:53:15.840 happening. What do you think of the history show The Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch. 1384 01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:19.000 I haven't watched much of it, to be honest, I've heard mixed 1385 01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:24.600 opinions, and I know I am totally derelict in my duty in not watching 1386 01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:27.840 it. I've wanted to sit down and well, what it is. It's 1387 01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:30.880 me and my girlfriend. I've wanted to sit down and kind of binge watch 1388 01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:33.079 it with her, and we just haven't had time. She's working on the 1389 01:53:33.159 --> 01:53:36.920 UFO Congress, I've been working on doing all these live streams, so we 1390 01:53:38.039 --> 01:53:40.520 just haven't had time to watch it. But I really need to do that. 1391 01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:44.039 I will soon ask me that question in a couple of weeks. Actually, 1392 01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:48.399 we're psychological effects reported during the tic, TAC or gimbal events, not 1393 01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:54.239 that I'm aware of. I do not know of any psychological events at those 1394 01:53:54.760 --> 01:54:00.399 incidents. However, Kevin Day does feel he was very greatly impacted. He's 1395 01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:03.479 been made fun of a little bit for saying he has PTSD from that incident, 1396 01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:10.039 but he definitely gets emotional when he talks about it, and he kind 1397 01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:13.119 of put it this way at the UFO Congress when I interviewed him, and 1398 01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:20.159 I can understand it. He said that Kurt says it's worth watching worth watching 1399 01:54:20.199 --> 01:54:24.800 the show, so I definitely got to watch it. But Kevin Day says, 1400 01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:29.479 it was my job as a supervisor of the radars to watch these guys 1401 01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:32.199 and make sure my guys are safe when I've got things, and this has 1402 01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:35.560 never happened before. You know, when you see something, you scramble, 1403 01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:39.720 you find out what it is, you take care of it. When I've 1404 01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:44.920 got things flying around doing whatever the hell they want on my screens and it's 1405 01:54:45.000 --> 01:54:48.640 my responsibility to keep these guys safe, it freaked me out. I couldn't 1406 01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:54.359 do my job and it terrified me and it's had a lasting effect on my 1407 01:54:54.680 --> 01:54:59.319 psychological you know, well being. That's what Kevin Day says, and I 1408 01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:01.840 think that's a fair point and it makes sense. So we are out of 1409 01:55:01.920 --> 01:55:05.840 time. So thank you guys so much for joining me. If you're not 1410 01:55:06.159 --> 01:55:12.199 a patron on Patreon, because I did invite some friends, please do that. 1411 01:55:12.640 --> 01:55:15.880 I mean, if you go there, for a buck fifty, you 1412 01:55:15.880 --> 01:55:18.399 can get all of the audio files. By the way, well I'll tell 1413 01:55:18.439 --> 01:55:23.479 you guys, open minds, CFO radios coming back. I am getting all 1414 01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:28.520 these things kind of configured. I think it's fixed, but I'm going to 1415 01:55:28.600 --> 01:55:31.760 have also I'm going to turn these into audio. So for a buck fifty 1416 01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:34.640 you'll be able to get the audio version, or for the five dollars you 1417 01:55:34.640 --> 01:55:38.960 can join all of these live. But it helps me out a lot. 1418 01:55:39.039 --> 01:55:41.439 That's one of the things I had to go away. I just couldn't afford 1419 01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:44.359 to do this anymore, and I'm hoping I'll be able to come back and 1420 01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:48.399 continue to do this if i can get enough patrons. And then I'm also 1421 01:55:48.439 --> 01:55:53.960 gonna put these replays on YouTube, so you can subscribe there if you just 1422 01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:57.760 want to watch these videos, but if you want to be here live. 1423 01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:00.560 It's so wonderful to have you guys here live and ask these great questions and 1424 01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:05.399 I really love it, so thank you all so much. Speaking of Phoenix, 1425 01:56:05.399 --> 01:56:09.079 move on, who is in here? Phoenix? MoveOn? At Open 1426 01:56:09.119 --> 01:56:12.920 Mind Stevie, We're going to do We're going to live stream their meetings can 1427 01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:15.199 because they can't meet in person, so you can watch that. And then 1428 01:56:15.239 --> 01:56:19.119 I've got a new show called What is Doug Reading, which is more for 1429 01:56:19.239 --> 01:56:23.479 fun, which we're going to have tomorrow at noon, and that'll be every 1430 01:56:23.479 --> 01:56:26.960 Thursday. But thank you all so much for joining you guys, have a 1431 01:56:27.159 --> 01:56:28.199 great evening,