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Beer Logics Chadpilbean. All right, here we go, Here we go,
we are Chad. I want to start this show off with an email?
Got an email here? Oh my gosh. See technology always fails us.
All right, well, you know what, we don't need music. After
all, it is radio, it is live radio. I'm looking over at
Bill and I'm like, you hear that? And he's looking at me.
He's like, dude, you gotta get me to the hospital. I'm deaf,
like I got nothing. The look I got from Chad was Bill,
you better start singing. Okay, I had, we had, we had
some music going. But you know what, live radio, you gotta love
it. But the show must continue. I just want to start off by
saying, welcome to the show. I'm James. That's Chad. Say hello
Bill, Hello Bill. All right, we're all here. I want to
start this show off with an email real quick, the real quick email a
god from a listener, and I don't really think this is his real name,
but it says, what's up my beer drinking buddies? Listen every week?
You guys weren't on last week. Wanted to check in see if everything
was okay on the news. I saw you had some bad storms. I
hope you guys are okay, signed Billy the Kid. And so I wanted
to start the show off by mentioning this email from our listener and saying that
yes, we are okay. Yes, we were off last week, and
yes it was actually a planned week off. Yes we did get some storms,
although we weren't affected. Our show wasn't. We did take off to
you know, do some things that needed to be taken care of. But
we are back and yes we're okay. Thank you Billy the Kid for checking
in. So yes, I want to start the show off with that we
have the most caring listeners. I like that. Yeah, you guys aren't
on. I hope everything's okay. Chad James, are you out there?
Are you okay? And I want to say this is not a local email
because he says, I heard on the news that you guys had some bad
storms. So I'm guessing this is somewhere outside of my listening area because pretty
much the whole area I'm in was affected by storm. So I'm assuming maybe
it's a Michigan or Iowa anywhere we're heard nationwide. But thank you Ability the
Kid for checking in. Yes we are okay. Big show plan for this
week. I want to start off by thanking our wonderful advertisers. Also,
you know, thinking Ability Kid for checking in, Although you normally think that's
his real name, but I mean, it's not his real name. His
mother may have loved old westerns and gangsters. You know, he said,
you know what, perhaps you're right, Maybe you're right. I didn't think
of that. Took one look at him in the cradle and said, oh,
he's gonna be a little outlaw. Yeah, all right. This thing
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Tap Radio. I am ready for a beer. I know Chad's ready for
a beer. Bill, you're ready for a beer, Ready for a beer.
I bet our listeners don't even wait. I bet you right now.
They don't have to wait. They don't have to wait. It's just one
of those things that we have to do because you know, rules are rules
on the show. But if you're at home doing whatever you're doing listening to
the show, you don't have to wait. You you don't have to turn
your phone down. All that stuff. You just just hang out with us,
That's all I ask. So I wonder if some do, though they
might they might wait, they're like, Okay, James and Chad haven't cracked
a beer yet. We're waiting. There's integrity and listening, all right.
I mean, we got a neighborhood watch out there. James, you okay,
they're on the storm. Okay, that's cool, all right. Yeah,
And the good news is I don't think James lost on our tree.
But I don't have to lose right because he lost it. All right,
let's crack open a beer. I'm gonna go first. This is brought to
the table spot brought to you by our friends at the Backyard Grill on the
northwest side of Houston. Thank you, b YG for all that you do
for the beer community in Houston and also for the local area. So if
you're in the greater Houston area visiting, swing out there on the northwest side
of the corner of West and Jones Road, right off a highway to ninety
and I get yourself some grub, get your grub game on, and get
one of the over one hundred beers. Tell him what's on Tap Radio sent
you and the beer. I'm cracking open right now. Another one of Bill's
escapades and adventures. Where were you on this one? Chattanooga, Tennessee?
Okay? And oh crap, dang it, I did? I told you
where we send Bill on assignment. He really goes on assignment, see right
there? Yeah, he brought back. Now we've had beer from this brewery.
I want to talk about the name and the artwork. But Bill introduced
the beer that we're drinking, please, from Naked River Brewery. It's Docs
Brown Ale and docs from what Cam looks like is Doc Brown from Back to
the Future. Well, Bright, it's the artwork that I want to talk
about. So it's Docs Brown Ailed. But if you know Doc Brown from
Back to the Future, it's Doc the doc as in doctor in Brown.
But this puts particular. Can has the DeLorean going off of a doc into
the Naked River and it says Docs Brown Ale, and it's Docs doc ks
And did you get the ABV on this? I did not? All Right,
good job, Bill, All right. It's a silver medal. Just
it's a silver medal winner at the Great American Beer Festival in twenty twenty one.
And we'll talk a little bit more about that, because James is thirsty,
He's gotta go. Speaking of silver medal winners, bringing a silver medal
winner from the twenty twenty four World Beer Cup, our friends in Houston,
Texas, True nominally brewing. I'm going to Giant here with the red shoe.
Yeah, this one silver the red Giant did. This is a footer
age Sayson fermided with Melvick grapes. So I'm gonna go ahead and take my
barblade. Now. I got a feeling this is gonna be very it's gonna
be very wine inspired, and it's gonna have some very tart notes I mean
downright sour, I mean foter aging is traditional Belgian style aging in wood and
a native to the Flanders region, where their beers are very acidic and sour
and James purple. Look at the carbonation on that almost non existent. Wow,
the carbonation is all there, though, is it okay? So very
tart? I get very grape, I get some plummegranate and some raspberry.
I want to say it's a black cherry. This is at seven point five
percent alcohol by volume, and this is again the seven point eight percent.
Sorry that true. Normally red giants what I bring it into the table silver
award winner from the twenty twenty four World Beer Cup, and that is what
I brought the table. Chat kicked it off with the well, actually Bill
did. He's the one who brought it, but I want to thank him
for bringing Dox brown Ale comes in at six point one percent, so that
has brought a table. Thanks to you, our friend over at the backyard.
Girl. We're gonna talk more into these beers coming up, but on
tap this week big time interview. I caught up with Brock Wagner sent it
on a brewing company where he reflected on thirty years in brewing. So stay
tuned for that interview. All this is so much more, including coming right
up the official What's on Tap? Were you a fun Factor week? We
got an action back radio show. You do not want to miss an ounce
on. We'll be right back. The only thing we throw back on Thursday,
he's a pint of beer or two or three. This is what's on
tap radio back to James and Chad right oooh the stuff that happens between behind
the scenes. I don't want to boy you with the details, but I'm
just glad we're on the radio. Welcome back to What's on Tap Radio.
In the first segment, brought to the table, Chad and Bill back to
the future with the Doc Brown. Is that what I feel I feel like
we went back to the future because we went back old school to a style
that doesn't get a lot of love. American brown ale from Naked River Brewing
Company docks Brown and I guess there's a dock somewhere near the brewery, or
I guess, or somebody has a story, but it's a The artwork's great.
It's a DeLorean that you with the flames behind it, and it just
went off the dock and into the river. And so docs docks a what
did you say? Six percent? Bill? Six? Just a deep,
rich, multi medium bodied brown ale, all right, And uh, I'm
going to go ahead and I'm going to back this up with a few tasting
notes. Here we go. The thing I like is it has a roasty
balance. It is not a lot of these brownailes don't have a strong hop
presence. Even though in American brown ale will be more happy than in English.
This one has a dryness to it without bitterness, and it's got a
little bit of roastiness. But I should say, really a little bit of
breadiness, but I think it's balanced with some roastiness. So I don't like
liquid bread for the sake of liquid bread. Like when you get a real
English brown ale, it's very bready and you kind of I hate to use
the word yeasty, but coasting. Yeah, it's the this is this has
got a little more actually more like a burnt toast to it without being you
know, acrid, almost like ash. It's not that way. It's very
balanced. I like it as brownails go. I understand why I want a
silver medal at the twenty twenty one Great American Beer Festival, and that's what
we brought to the table again thanks to our friends at the Backyard Grill.
And James had to one up us because you know, he's like, well,
you got a silver at the Great American Beer Festival. I have the
World Cup silver. If you missed the first segment, I sounded just like
that, Yeah, exactly like that. That was just a nice segue because
the beer I brought it won a silver medal at the twenty twenty four World
Beer Cup and I picked it up from our friends over at True Nominally and
this is a food age Seyson, which you Seyson's. It's a style that
really just doesn't get the respect it deserves. I love a good Seyson,
but I guess consumers don't. And that's why a lot of breweries don't make
seasons. It's a farmhouse ale that sit down and say I'm gonna drink three
or four Saissans tonight. They say I'm gonna drink one, yeah, and
then they go back to whatever their main's. That's okay. It's nice to
have in the back of their fridge going, you know what, I want
a nice farmhouse ale. And I think they nailed Obviously they nailed it because
they won a silver metal at the World Beer Cup. And again black cherry,
pomegranates and raspberry, and it's slightly tart, not overly sour. But
yeah, this is more or less like the one of those beers that you're
more of a wine consumer, but you want to drink a beer, this
is the go to right here. Is this seven to fifty bottle? Or
is that? Is it five hundred milliars? Sure, Chad, sorry,
it is it is a little over a pint or seven to fifty milliter,
my man, seven fifty millions, So James is gonna be drinking there for
the rest of the show unless he can get Jen to come in and Hey,
Jen, you want some wine? No, I don't have any.
I don't have any stunt beer liver, although my wife can't drink beer,
so I'm on my I'm on my own with this beer. On my own.
But congratulations true. Normally I have another award winning beer I'm gonna bring
into the show later. Went round to the city and picked up some award
winning beers and I have them here in the studios that I'm gonna bring into
the show later. So that was what we brought to the table. Now
it's time to Edge mcate. Now the official What's on Tap Radio fun fact
of the Week, brought to you by Who's ever checked Clear. This week,
in some parts of the country, school is out. We have given
full custody of their children back to them. I'm a teacher. I can
say that. So summer school session time, Chad, take it away.
Yeah, gather the kids. Actually, the kids may really appreciate this story.
So if you have children, gather them around the old squawk box.
Because Professor Pilbeams about ready to drop some knowledge bombs. On you here.
What I want to tell you about is the X Men. Are you familiar
with the X Men? Oh yeah, the comics? Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I love DC comics. Yeah. Oh,
somebody just lost their mind right now? Yeah yeah. Anyway, uh
but yeah, the X Men, the mutants, they all have special powers.
Well, I'm here to tell you that we here on planet Earth,
we do live among mutants. We live among those with special powers that we
never dreamed of. And I'm sorry, no, no, no, there's
no green news. But there is a seven year old, or was a
seven year old in the United Kingdom who was diagnosed with diabetes and accidentally he
shot his eye out with a gun kid from a Christmas story, I guess
yeah, it's a shoot your eye out, You're shoot. No word on
how he accidentally shot his eye out, or why he was diabetic, or
whether it's type one or type two diabetes. However, who would have ever
thought that a seven year old from the United Kingdom who accidentally shot his eye
out and diabetic would amount to being a real life X Man. I give
you John Evans, who today lives in the United Kingdom in England. When
he is sixty eight years old? Where's the patch? Does he? What
does he patch? I don't he has a classiz. This is radio.
I just listened. I did research on the guy. I didn't look up
the When you understand what I'm about to tell you about him, you're gonna
understand why I wasn't looking at his eye. Okay, it's about his superpower.
That's what I want to talk to you about, all right. So
the man when they examined him because of his amazing feats, it prompted the
real life Stan Lee to say, this guy is superhuman. They tested him
when they saw him perform this feat, and they said, this guy,
he's got to have like super strength or something. And they checked. He's
like, no, I don't go to the gym. In fact, I'm
not that strong. And so they had to do tests on him, and
they determined that the sixty eight year old man has bones that are getting stronger
as he ages. What his bone density is increasing as he ages, and
this is allowing him to do something that no other human on planet Earth has
ever been able to do. And if you said balance two hundred and thirty
seven pints of beer on your head, well, ladies, and gentlemen,
you would be correct. John Evans has thirty three Guinness Book World records for
balancing things on his head. The bone density of his skull is actually stronger
than that of a twenty year old male athlete, and his next drink has
increased from balancing all of these things. I said, he has thirty three
world records. Three of those are actually beer world records. And in case
you're wondering what some of those records include, well, he has balanced on
his head. This is pretty good. I like this one here, one
hundred and one bricks, sixty two books, what a three hundred and fifty
two pound gutted Midti Cooper, two girls on two bicycles on the apex of
his skull. And because this is a beer show, he has balanced four
hundred and twenty nine full beer cans. He's balanced thirteen full kegs of beer
on his head. But the most difficult challenge of his illustrious career as an
x man is he has balanced two hundred and thirty seven full pints of beer,
which come to two hundred and forty five point three pounds. He had
a little trouble getting Guinness Book of World Records to certify this record. Why
because no one ever thought of doing this. So it's like, hey,
can we do this or not? And he's like, I guess. And
they started out and he had to do one hundred pints and then he's like,
that's easy, that's child's play. I got this. And then he
went to one hundred and fifty and then two hundred and now the record stands
at two hundred and thirty seven. So your official What's on Tap Radio fun
fact of the week is that John Evans, a sixty eight year old man
who lives in England, had a rough start to life. He was diabetic,
couldn't have those candy bars and he shot his eye out. One eyed
diabetic seven year old buddy turned into a man who has thirty three world records,
a real life X man who has balanced thirteen kegs on his hand on
his head, four hund and twenty nine beer cans and two hundred and thirty
seven pints of beer. That's your official What's on Tap Radio fun fact of
the week. Please someone tell me whether or not he has an eyepatch.
I just want to know that. All right, great fun fact, Chad,
all right? On tap this week osam have Been Lagger. They made
a beer with Osama Been not Louden Logger. We're gonna talk about that and
a great interview coming up next hour with the godfather of Texas craft beer.
All this so much more, we'll be at back. On average, humans
walk nine hundred miles per year, entering twenty two gallons of beer, which
means the average human gets forty one miles per gallon. Not ben what's on
tap radio continues, all right, everybody's got a beer. You got a
beer, I got a beer, We got a beer. You know who
else has beer? The Backyard Grill on the northwest side of Houston. But
when you're you're drinking, you want to have something to eat too, So
go get yourself some grub at the buyg The menu is amazing. They've got
all your Texas favorites like steaks, bahitas, chops, and it's all grilled
on a wood fired grill. Got burgers, You got wraps. Hey,
if you're vegetarian, they got salads, they got soups, homemade dishes,
and specialties like smoky the beer chicken. Oh yeah, smoked chicken injected with
local beer sounds delicious. Right, Yeah, and don't forget the green beans.
I know you're thinking, wait a minute, is this guy just talking
about all the grilled stuff and you're gonna tell me to eat your veggies.
Hey, mom said eat your veggies. Over one hundred different menu items,
get the green beans. Trust me, you won't regret it, and over
one hundred different beers head out to the backyard grill in the corner of Weston
Jones Road on the northwest side of Houston. Cheers. All right, Chad
was making fun of men break so I kind of ripped and read on the
one sheet here. So there's a story about this brewery that put Osama bin
laden on a label. There you go. That's how it said. And
apparently you would think that there would be some backlash about it, but there's
it's actually gone viral. So I yeah, we gotta get into that.
Yeah, we're gonna get into it. Coming up on this episode. Also,
we're gonna be catching up with Brock Wagner, the godfather of Texas craft
beer, celebrating thirty years. So I sat down with him to reflect on
thirty years in business, and we'll talk about that next hour. Good news
for you Michigan fans talk about that. Yes, we're gonna get into that
here. Ultra Right Beer is announcing a special giveaway, and Bill, do
you know that Miller lt Miller LTE has a new giveaway. You're be excited
to hear about that. Yeah, we'll see if we get our hands on
that. I'm gonna get online and see if I cannot camp one cannot buy
Bill. Bill likes to set goals he can achieved. I want to try
and not buy one. Hey, look they're sold out. Go ahead and
get that credit card ready there. Bill, all right, he's not even
gonna take the credit card out because he's not gonna be because he's going in
hoping to succeed by not getting it. We got some soccer in the news
and all. This is so much more coming up this hour. I don't
know if we can get it all in this episode. We'll try. We'll
try, but we're gonna try to do that. Jam. But Chad and
Bill have another beer to crack, and I'm gonna talk about this new restaurant
policy that I'm not not at. I could certainly see why it's they're putting
this policy in place. Whether you believe you think it's a good idea or
not. We'll talk about it a right good talk. It'll be good talk.
Yeah, all right, all right, So Bill and I stunt Bill,
stunt beer lever, Bill from Harbor Light Brewing, hanging out in studio
with me and uh, he gonna need that stunt beer liver for this one
here. Recently went down to Kalamazoo, Michigan, and swung by the old
tap room and got a fresh bell, two hearted rite on the stick right
there at the source. Who that's tough to beat. And I walked over
to the gift shop and where you can buy some beers, and I put
a little pack together and they were rolling out what the taproom manager, the
store manager said is the best kept secret in the brewery and even in Kalamazoo.
And I looked down and I saw what it was, and I was
like, oh, yeah, I'm picking this up right now. For those
of you who are not familiar with the Third Coast Old Ale, it is
a barley wine style beer. And they stopped producing it. They've done some
variants, one offs here and there, but they don't make it anymore on
a regular basis. They went down into the cellar this particular batch right here
comes in at ten point two percent ten point two ten point two okay,
and it was packaged on October ninth, twenty fourteen. Oh wow, did
a Spradley poor again? I'm sorry? Almost ten years old? Almost ten
years old, yes, as almost as old as this show. So this
right here is what we're drinking. Bill, I took a little too much.
You want some of this? Okay? Bill said no, because he's
got a drive, so he knows how the game works. I mean,
stunt beer livers are here to help, yes, but not to get well
intoxicated. Bill as a professional, he drinks responsibly. Okay, he leaves
ten year old beer. That is amazing. It's really good. It does
not taste oaky or sorry old in papery, doesn't taste like wet cardboard,
It doesn't have those dark cherry notes. It actually tastes like a beautiful barley
wine. Old. Usually when they got that old, they start getting a
little sour too. Yeah. Now, I will say the long after taste,
long after I've had a chance to sip. That does taste a little
papery, so but still delicious beer. That's really good. So that's what
we cracked open from twenty fourteen. They were just pushed it out there and
you can buy as much as you wanted, and they pulled it out seller
the Third Coast Old Ale from Bell's Brewery. Now, I wanted to talk
about this briefly just because last year we just recently renewed our season tickets at
Michigan State because we're glutton for punishment. Yeah, go sparty. But last
year Michigan State entered into the world of selling beer inside the stadium and that
was beautiful. And they were selling out of beer, yeah they were.
It was a real sparty party. But I got to admit I got kicked
out of a spartan stadium for sneaking beer in once the tempting statue of limitations
ran out of that. You up, however, a professional you are billing
here you come, brothers disclaimer, But he is not like one. He's
just helping us drink beer and helps keep the lights on. All right anyway,
But now entering into the fray, the University of mis that's right,
the big house in ann Arbor will now be selling beer this football season.
So if you're a Go Blue guy or gal, be happy to know that
it's not just going to be a spardy party, but it's going to be
an opportunity to drink beer at the Big House. So I thought i'd share
that now. Also, the other thing is is I mentioned Kalamazoo. We
had some really nasty storms go through and some tornadoes went through Portage, which
is the southern suburb of Kalamazoo, and so it's pretty nasty. And James,
we know about the storms in Houston. Yes, Cyprus, your old
neck of the woods man got pounded. A lot of them are powerful.
Five yeah, yeah, a lot of them without power for over a week.
Sixty five mile an hour winds right in my neighborhood. And so I'm
glad everybody's okay. I know, I know this is trivial in comparison,
But one of the things you normally hear about are the breweries because we studied,
you know, we follow the beer news. The breweries that were affected.
I have not heard of a single brewery that has lost beer had damage.
I don't either, Yeah, so I don't know really interest, I
don't really know how many brewis are out in the Cypress area, but there's
a few out there. I mean, Location six is in Waller. You've
got also our friends at the backyard grill. They were they were safe and
they were okay out there also Creekwood Grill, so you got misfit brewing out
there. So there's a few others. I lost powerful Senate Avenue. How
did I forget Senate Avenue? I think the mayor. I think he lost
power at the house. Either the house or the brewery, I can't remember.
I was kind of quite a few days. Yeah, he was without.
But anyway, glad everybody's okay. So, speaking of a backyard grill,
I'm gonna talk about this restaurant thing. And maybe you may think this
is a bad idea, but I think this might be a decent idea.
Although I don't I don't fall victim of this. Have you ever made a
reservation in a restaurant and then did a no show or maybe just timing didn't
work so they just just didn't show up, or maybe just found a better
option. No, because I'm not jerk, Well some people do that.
They're like, oh, well, you know, we made a reservation,
but you know, let's just let's go to Applebee's instead, said nobody out
call the restaurant said nobody ever. Uh, well, in the future,
you could be charged for that. Check the story out. A new report
says that many restaurants operate on slim margins, and when they hold a table
for someone who doesn't show up, they lose money. So some may start
charging a non refundable deposit when you reserve a table. So I love this.
So some high end restaurants and bigger cities already charge a what they call
it reservation fee, which is then deducted from your bill after you show up
and dine and drink there. There's no specific amount. Reports say it varies
from fifty dollars to one hundred dollars or fifty dollars per a person, and
it could be easy to implement, either by using apps or just taking your
credit card when you book. And other industries already do this. Vacation homes,
resorts, hotels keep your deposits and tell you, you know, case
you're canceled, I'll you know, charge you for it. Doctors, dentists,
they'd all charge appointment fees. So what do you think? What do
you think restaurants adding a non refunneable deposit for those that make those reservations and
go you know what, we have a better option, let's go there instead.
And they hold this table, especially a busy restaurant that you know they're
holding out on this table and you don't show up, and now they're losing
out. You know, no busting seats. I love this policy. I
am a fan because I know how difficult it is for restaurants, like you
said, slim Margins, and they operate on volume. And if they're going
to turn a guest away because they're holding a table for you and you don't
show, that is so rude. It is so rude. I mean,
you're the kind of person that doesn't take the shopping cart back. Not only
do you not take the shopping cart back, but what you do is you
find the mini van that says baby on board, and you wedge the shopping
cart between the drivers or and the car next to it. Because you're that
big of a jerk. I'm sorry all the restaurant and canceled. According to
data at Open Table, twenty eight percent of Americans admit they haven't shown up
for a reservation they made within the past year. And I can't figure that
because, well, to me, it's no big deal. One way or
the other because I can't remember the last time I went to a restaurant that
actually needed a reservation. Okay, so Bill, you don't need have places
that have cloth napkins. Not really, okay, I'm actually I'm for this.
I think this is maybe a good way for them to recoup losses by
holding a table that you know, could potentially house somebody that now they're holding
because you were in n a hole and didn't show up. But that good.
It is a good idea though. It's a great idea, and it's
not about it's not about recouping losses. Well it is, but it's it's
lost revenue and lost revenue potential. And so yeah, if you if you're
gonna tell me, hey, you know what you got to you're gonna hold
it for you know, twenty five to thirty dollars per person. I'm fine
with that. Just it comes off the bill at the end and I'm sorry,
or you just reverse the charge. There's nothing wrong with that because,
like like you said, try and buy an airline ticket and then cancel,
you know, twenty minutes before you're supposed to get on a plane. That
ain't happening. Yeah, so that's just some restaurant news. Yeah, adding
non refundable deposits for reservations. What says you reach out to us on our
social what's on Taprido, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram? I guess x
or what's on taprio Gmail dot com? Let us know what you're thinking.
All right, we gotta take a break. I do want to talk about
this Osama bin laden on a beer label. I would think it would cause
a backlash, but it's actually going viral. We'll discuss that. All this
is so much more. Hang with us, we'll right back. This is
what's on tap radio, right, welcome back. So enjoying this Red Giants,
this giant of a beer seven drinking that the whole show. Dude,
you're gonna have to put it aside to crack another one. There's no way
you can. Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna able to finish it,
but it's so acidic and sour it is. I don't even know if I
if I did finish it, I probably have like a yeah ulcer maammel off
my teeth and yep, yes, that's right. I probably just my palate
be wrecked. But I do have another I want to bring to the show.
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Teeth and the AML Replacement Company. I mean, come on, dude,
just spray it back on because you're gonna strip it clean. Well, I
went round and picked up these beers. I did some TV and I brought
these beers on. And when I was sampling these beers, I didn't really
prep them properly, like, hey, by the way, you're gonna be
tasting this. They just went full on in and was like, whoa.
Because it's not overly hour, but it's it's got some tart notes to it.
It gets you. It does get your attention. Overall very good and
I can see why it did well at the World Beer Cup. But coming
up, I had another beer at the fridge here studio S that I'm gonna
be bringing. Do you want to talk about this beer? Then? I'm
not quite sure how it's not getting any kind of backlash because I feel like
an ass chad during the break. I feel like we've done stories of breweries
putting dictators on beer labels and them getting a backlash. I feel like I
feel like we've done a story about a brewery putting Trump even though I'm not
calling I'm not calling Trump a dictator anything, but but I'm just saying,
there are people, gentleman, that's at James in the radio, and that's
that's called crawfishing. A political figure on there, and people going wild and
I'm gonna boycott this brewery, and YadA, YadA, YadA. We've seen
more boycott. So are fake boycott's people saying they're going to boycott based on,
you know, just a label. I mean, I remember whenever they
put the Hindu god on one of the labels. I think that was Avery
label or something, or you know, it was the the idol that they
worshiped, the elephant. And then we've I've seen the baby on the label,
the Canadian Mountie on the label. Let's see, we've had Trump on
the label. We've had Putin on the label. And I remember but a
lot of the ones where Putin is on the label, one of them where
Putin is a jerk, a male appendage. And then there was the what
was the other, Oh, Southern Star Brewing Company had one where they put
a dictator on It was Stalin. I think it was for their Russian Imperial
stout. And and i remember a bunch of people saying, oh, look
Southern stop and Conro doing their praising a dictator who killed millions of people,
and it's like, no, that's not you know whatever. And then the
former Buffalo by You Brewing Company did Mao cow Bell. Where they did it,
it was basically they put Mao from China the dictator there on a a
beer label. So it's it's not in speaking, I shouldn't say this that
we're we're we're PG radio. But speaking of dictators, yeah, uh,
Buffalo by You Brewing Company known for hiding certain images on their uh speaking of
male appendages at different dictator. If you turn it upside down, it was
a male I'm telling you that. I guess t ABC didn't catch when they
were doing label approval. No, they did not. They did not catch
that one. But this label looks fine. Turn upside down with WHOA.
There's a beer named after Osama bin Laden and it's sold out and is going
viral all over social media. Staff at Mitchell Brewing Company had to unplug phones
and close their website temporarily because the demand for Osama ben Lager. The company
of Billing Hay in Lincolnshire. This is in England, also Bruce Kim jong
Ale and Putin porter Ooh yeah, they're all tongue they're all tongue in cheek
names. A nicer outlook on some of the horrible dictators, said one of
the co owners. Millions of people have seen the picture of the beer named
after the former al Qaeda leader who died in twenty eleven. They post on
social media. A husband and wife run the brewery, and they woken up
the last couple of weeks with thousands and thousands and thousands of notifications of people
wanting to get their hands on this beer. And they said it's been crazy.
And the phone lions have just not stopped ringing of people trying to get
their hands on the Osama Bin Lagger beer. Interesting, Chad shaking his head.
I don't know if I I don't know if I would be if I
owned an establishment, if I would want to put that on tap. I
mean, yeah, you're gonna sell beer, but you're gonna get more questions.
I mean remember when Brash Brewing in Houston had their Black Masses beer,
Oh my god, and they would the Catholics would protest on the Wow.
Yeah they went, they went and then and then there were bars in Houston
that if you carried any brash beer they got phone calls and threats and people
showing up and throwing stuff. And because you carried brash beer, it was
that was a real like that was a scary time, Like wait a minute,
hold on, I'm just trying to sell beer. I could see you
know somebody. I mean here, I'm just gonna say this right now.
Osama Lagger not going to be real popular in New York. No, although
some of the proceeds from the sale of this beer go to a nine to
eleven survivors foundation, So that's cool. I wonder for an extra price,
you'd get like a six pack one Osama bin Lager and five Navy Seal pilsners.
See there you go that, yeah, yeah, that's right like that,
and then and then the bottle of Osama bin Lager has a bunch of
bullet holes in it. All right, I'm sorry, we're getting a little
too far off the rails there, But that also does remind me I can't
I'd be remiss if I didn't bring in this. Remember the the other beer
from the United Kingdom. So apparently, if you want to get you know
racy. You can go to the United Kingdom and do it. But they
had the tap handle that for the classic tap handle or beer that spun upside
down, where on one side it looked like a beautiful princess and then when
it spun upside down, it looked like an old hag. Wh yeah yeah,
and old witch. Yeah that's a that's a good one. And they
got in trouble for that because it basically objectified women. But the other one
was the the oh I wish I remember what it was the name of it.
I have a bottle of it. It was sold in a white paper
cloth and it had two eye holes cut out of it. It was the
coward beer, right right, And it made fun of you know, whitek
but the KKK it also looked like a white supremacist and so yeah, it
looked like the beer bottle looked like a white hood on the K on the
klan. But if you did, if you didn't know anything about it,
you just saw it, you would obviously think, oh my god, this
is a you know, there's some kind of clan. It was the opposite.
It was the opposite. They were actually making fun of those supremacists.
But yeah, there you go. Something Ben Loger beer sells out in minutes
after going viral and people are still trying to get their hands on it.
Well, I was just talking about the whole racist thing. I wanted to
grab this story really quick. Marco Reus of Dortmund in the Bundesliga, which
is the German Prepaere soccer league, he did something that not a lot of
athletes get the opportunity to do, when they say farewell to their home stadium
and decide to sign off. And I walked off the field that's right,
And he said, that's right. He never paid me enough and that's why
I'm leaving. I forget you. I'm gonna go sit on my beach.
No, he didn't do that at all. But I mentioned this because FIFA
is FIFA is uh looking at has a campaign to try and promote equality and
racism. And so the reason I bring this up is is as Marco,
who's had an illustrious career playing football or soccer, signed off on the pitch
with a four to nothing win at his home on his home pitch, that's
the field, and scoring one goal as he stepped off before eighty one thousand
supporters bought the entire stadium around a beer. So that's a guy I'll talk
about. I'll try to do the math on that, Chad. How many
fans, Well, they're eighty one thousand fans, not all of them of
drinking eight let's say, let's say seventy five thousand or seventy thousand, seventy
thousand, Yeah, let's go with that. And how much are beers going
for at this stadium? I don't know, but the man spent a pretty
penny. So all right, So here's to you, mister Marco Reyus,
and we want to celebrate you as and also as we sign off on hour
number one and what's on tap Radio coming up an hour number two, we
will we'll probably raise a glass and toast him, as well as hold my
beer and watch this and much much more, including interview from the legendary brock
Wagner Santa O Brewing Company. This is what's on tap radio. We'll be
right back. Yeah, we drink water, but it has to be filtered
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welcome to hour number two. What's on Tap Radio? Coming up this hour,
I caught up with the godfather of Texas craft beer, mister brock Wagner,
to reflect on thirty years a brewing and it's a great interview. Don't
want to miss that. Quick. I'm gonna interrupt you real quick. What
if I don't live in the Houston or Texas market? Do I really care
about this? You should? You should? Yeah, you should, because
chances are, chances are the brewery that you enjoy, that you love,
the brewmasters love Saint Arnold. Yes, there there is a there there.
It's it's it's a it's a tree with lots of roots and those roots run
deep. And why they've been open for thirty years and so they've had a
lot of people come through the brewery who've worked there. The chances are they've
left and gone and open breweries maybe where you live. And it all started
with brock Wagner and he's gonna reflect on a thirty years. So that's coming
up later this hour. But I got a crack a beer. I know,
Billin and Chattey crack a beer, but they can. They can hold
your damn horses. All right, guys, pump the brakes a little bit.
Pump the brakes, all right, all right, hold beer to crack.
I do too, I got a beer to crack too, all right,
James, real quick, do you want to open a beer? So
you want? Okay, we'll allow it, all right, go ahead,
Yeah, Bill says it's okay, James, Mike one. He controlled the
entire board. Chat Well, you already ruined it. I was trying to
pour the He's trying to make it sound like he was pouring the beer in
the glass because sound effect, because it's not. No, he really was
pooring. What are you drinking? Cheep? All right? Another award winner
from the World Beer Cup, Speaking of Saint Arnold, I ain't. I'm
going to say hello with the Irish Hello, the Irish dry stout at four.
This is one of the best beer names. Yeah, Irish Hello,
which is opposite the Irish goodbye. That pittacoulis one. So Irish Hello wins
a medal, and then right after that, Irish Goodbye wins from Petacoulas Iris
another brewery in Texas. Yeah, they're up in Dallas. Yeah, and
so one Irish Hello, Irish, goodbye, Hello, goodbye. This is
a dry Irish stout, I believe you said. Okay, so classic,
very dry four point three and it's got chocolatey notes, roasty notes. And
what I like about is the ABV four point three percent. So you can
have like three or four of these and you know, be fine not to
drive, but you know, to hang out. But I want to say
congratulations to Saint Ernold. I'm celebrating thirty years and for picking up a medal
at the World Beer Cup with your Irish Hello. So that's all right,
cracking well, we need to crack open a beer, of course you do.
Chad and Bill, I'm gonna put you on the spot because you know
you keep throwing out around these awards. Fine. The beer I hold in
my hand is the single most award winning beer from the Great American Beer Festival.
It has won more awards than any other beer at the Great American Beer
Festival in the history of the festival. James, what beer in my dream?
It used to be? It used to be the Alaskan smoke Porter,
and that is what we are drinking. But I don't think it's the case
anymore. I think there's really yeah, I think there's another beer that's surpassed
it. But yeah, the Alaskan Smoke Porter. Amazing, amazing beer.
Yeah it is. Yeh. Bill loves smoke beers. And he says,
I've never had this before, and I said, well, get ready to
have your taste. But going away twenty thirteen. Excuse me, twenty twenty
three, I said, twenty thirteen, twenty twenty three edition. I picked
this up at a local beer store and we'll talk about that after we find
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Ummm yeah. Cops haven't said what the fake name was on the guy's ID,
but we're thinking it might be Bigfoot. All right. A drunk driver
was pulled over and Rock Rapids, Iowa, one Sunday after a cops saw
a twenty sixteen Ford focus, swerving all over the road, and when he
handed them his ID, they knew it was a fake immediately because I had
one name. That's when you say mclovin. So I was like, I'm
waiting with baited breath, James, And and what name was it? Was?
It from a super bad No, it was not mcloven, McK lovin,
It said mclove No, it was not mcgloven, all right, No,
it was it was his height that was a red flag. His height
was listed at eight feet tall. Just to know age. You know,
the tallest sleeping person in the world is eight foot three, so it could
have been him. It could have been him, but it wasn't. Ever
it's eight foot eleven. So I know a sixty eight year old who has
diabetes and one eye and he can carry two or in thirty sot some beer
on his head. All right. The driver was a thirty three year old
man named Joel Vieta who's actually five foot eight, so he's over compensating a
little bit with the eight footer. Okay, got it. He failed a
sobriety test and flunked the breathalyzer test as well. He had an open container
and the cup holder, and it actually mentions what kind of beer it was.
Oh, finally, Corona. It was a Corona. Didn't have a
line. I didn't say if I had a line, but either lazy journalism.
Come on, at least we know what kind of beer it is.
Yeah, we didn't. We know that because there was a bottle or canned?
Was it dressed? It was? It was a bottle because there was
a six pack of bottles of Corona in the back seat. They also found
it a oh gosh, they found a folded one dollar bill with white powder
in it, and he admitted it was meth Ooh, I would have gone
with cocaine, Bob. It turns out he needed a fake ID. The
reason being is because he doesn't have a driver's license, so he went with
a woman with an eight foot height mclen He was wanted and for picked any
height you wanted, but you picked eight foot five. Yeah. He was
wanted for not appearing in court for a previous drunk driving charge. So this
guy is just oh yeah, with the previous one. He was only six
foot eight. Yeah, he thought he was gonna be able to full of
judge. All right, you were in here before, you know that guy
was way shorter, way shorter. Yeah, you're confusing me, judge the
same name. Yeah, I get that a lot, but I'm only five.
So your hold my beer and watch this week is a drunk driver's fake.
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Oh man, it was hard for me to get through that story. The
hold my beer and watched this. Sorry, if I rend today an insurance
group guy, I gotta get him love because I was. It was hard.
It was hard. I was laughing too hard. We had to file
an insurance claim on how many times we said their name wrong? Were tall
story? How do you mess that up? I can see you putting a
you know, the wrong name. I don't know, but putting your high
that eight foot something. Sorry, sorry, I love it, dude.
That's sold and it's just, oh my gosh. Reminder, do not drink
and drive. We always ask that you and vibe responsibly. And speaking of
being responsible, I have a stunt beer liver in studio with me Harblight Bill
and Bill's never had this beer. In fact, I'm a little surprised.
But then again I started walking around looking for this and I realized Alaskan Smoked
Porter from Alaskan Brewing Company. This is the twenty twenty three edition annual release
and this particular beer. James says that there's another one out there that's actually
won more awards at the Beliefs Great American Beer Festival. Limited though I'm gonna,
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with what my if and
I would be happy to ad minutes, but I feel that there's a listener
out there who knows let us know. But I think it's well here,
maybe it's one more gold medals and everything the other but in I don't know.
But this is a six and a half percent smoked porter and the story
behind this, and I'm going to add to our fun facts a little land
yap is James likes to say. The brewery was next to a fish house
where they smoked fish, and they decided to do a deal where they traded
fish for beer. And so they sat around and the brewers would give them
beer and then the fishermen would give them fish. And then they thought,
well, what would happened if we smoked some of the malts and made a
beer with it, and Alaska Smoked Porter was born. But I went to
a beer store in Grand Rapids and just walking the shelves and you know,
walking the aisles and looking at the shelves, and there was one bottle of
this and I haven't found this this year. You can't find it either,
Uh huh, No, you can't find like maybe in your market if you're
out there, listeners, let us know, but this is not readily.
And there was lawn bottle, I remember they were everywhere in the Texas market.
But yeah, you won't see it much anymore. And this is a
look at this. Remember these things. It's a bomber bottle, twenty two
ounces. Yeah, those things. So there it is. That's the story
behind it and great beer. It's absolutely dominated by smoke, but it is
not ashy. It doesn't taste like a campfire in your mouth. So that's
why I love this beer, very, very delicious. It absolutely lives up
to all the hype. Bill's loving it so love it. Yeah, it's
really good. So that's what we have here. So those are your tasting
notes. If you don't like smoky, I'm gonna say this. If you
don't like Scotch, avoid all costs because this is a smoky all right,
James, I'm gonna give it. You want to talk, We got conservative
Dad's ultra right beerd that's a I. It seems like they're been in the
news of a lot lately, but now they come out with a special giveaway.
I love this. Yes, it's one of those. If you're a
seven year old diabetic who accidentally shut your eye out, what do you do
for a living, Well, you balance stuff on your head, Well,
like a two hundred and thirty five beer pints. Well, if you get
an F beer rating from the Better Business Beer because you can't deliver beer that
you promised, and you decide to upset the establishment with your anti woke beer.
What do you do? Well, you get into the giveaway business and
you start giving away more stuff, and well, uh, the anti woke
beer Altra Right announcing a special giveaway after being told, hey, won't you
tone down the politics and your ads? Well, I'm just gonna go ahead,
and you know what, CEO of Aultra Right, Seth Weathers, put
together a new ad and uh, well we're gonna go east bounding down.
Will you hit cut number three? And uh, let's let the listen.
So this is his response of this advertisement. This is his response for those
telling that, hey, let's back off the politics. Yeah, politics out
cut three, please, here we go. It's been a wild ride since
I started conservative Dad's ultra right beer, and we're just getting started. So
he's in a trans am for the IC Radio, obviously an old trans am.
He's founded downstyle. We got back to the basics, great beer,
fun, patriotism, fast cars and beautiful real women and woke free. So
now he's doing donuts in a parking lot. Donuts doing donuts in the car,
doing donuts in a car. And he's got this, you know,
hot girl in the car with him and just doing donuts in the parking lot.
But some people tell me he needs to tone down the politics and our
ads. So I'm making this ad just for them. Continues with the donuts,
donuts, donuts, donuts, drink beer, do donuts. How's that
for tones? So now they're doing an aerial shot. They do a bird's
eye view of the donuts he just did. But wait, there's more.
Assuming I don't I'm giving away my gas guzzling classic American muscle car. I
can dot com I beat that, by the way, because they're not a
sponsor. So the bird's eye view of the donuts he just read? Was
it said? Trump twenty twenty four? How's that for toning it down?
That's right? You like tone? How's that for tone? So now he's,
oh, you only tone down the politics, giving away his trans am
that he just did donuts in no word of whether or not gonna they're gonna
replace the tires on it or not. Uh now, right right now?
And this is this is a this is a reproduction and uh is a reproduction.
Build of the classic Smoky in the Bandit UH trans Am, the t
top that was used to make the classic beer run to haul cores light from
UH Texas to or Texarkana to UH Atlanta, and he's gonna give it away.
I love how he says this. It's like, Okay, we're beer
company, and I'm sorry, I gotta segue here just real quick. We
were in talks with an auto parts company and they were like, yeah,
to sponsor the show. They were like, yeah, I'm not really sure
we can associate with alcohol because we do a lot of racing sponsorships and we
do a lot of other sponsorships with cars and driving. Not sure we can
do that. This guy says, you know what, let's go drink some
beer and do some donuts. WHOA yeah, And if you want to get
your chance to win this trans Am, good luck. There are six different
ways that you can enter the giveaway, including uploading a photo of an unopened
can good lug in your hands on the can, posting on X, making
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In. All six ways of registering and getting their chance to get this car
har managed by the same marketing company that does Milkers. If you missed the
website, mess the website. It's I'm giving away my gas. Guys like,
that's an American muscle car. I can dot com again, not a
sponsor, so uh, we're not going to give you the address. You
know, you can figure it out on your own if you're that interested.
I've just shocked. You know, we talked about this a little bit of
controversy. It's like, okay, well you gotta know some have bin laden
beer. You got a beer company that's promoting you know, you know,
a little bit of fun in the muscle car. You know, increase your
carbon footprint. I mean, I guess whatever you want to do. And
uh, I don't I don't know. I don't know. I just if
you get an F rating for the Better Business Bureau because you can't deliver the
one thing that you're supposed to deliver, beer to the customers. If you
win the car, no one's want Chad, no one's gonna win this car.
It's just a gimmick. Now. If I'm if, if you win
the car and prove me wrong, I love to be proven wrong. Free
tickets to the Katie wild West Broof, It's on us man. You you
you show us proof that you won that car. I'll give you tickets to
the Katie Wallah. Yeah. The Ultra Right Beer announces a special giveaway in
its latest ad, hitting back at the critics, saying, how's that for
tone? After they were told down to tone down the politics. The guy
jumps in this trans am, does donuts and then showing that house is for
tone, says Trump twenty twenty four. So there you go. It is
every stereotype exacerbated so high, and he's just like, damn the consequences,
Damn the image. I don't care. We've already got en f rating from
the Better Business Bureau. Can't get any lower than that. Let's go rip,
all right, we're gonna take a break. Coming up next segment.
I sat down with the godfather of Texas craft beer, mister brock Wagner,
to reflect on thirty years of Saint Arnold Brewing Company. It's a lot of
interesting things to say. Don't you go anywhere. It's a great interview.
You don't want to miss out stuff. We'll be right back. Beer is
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Biz. I'm going to start this interview off my saying I've been looking forward
to this interview for ten years. I like to welcome back to the radio
program Brock Wagner, owner of Saint Arnold Brewing Company, which we coined the
term years ago, and I still call you this the godfather of Texas craft
beer. Yeah, well, thanks for having me back. Has it actually
been ten years. No, it hasn't been ten years, But okay,
because we spoke during COVID and all that we talked about. You know,
your business is now your pivoting and so forth. But it it's really about,
you know, the twenty year mark and now the thirty year mark,
a big milestone for st. Ramle Brewing Company. He was about to celebrate
your thirtieth anniversary. And have you thought, have you got a chance to
sit back and think to yourself, Well, thirty years been doing st Rale
Brewing Company. So the funny part to me is like, I feel like
I had thought about ten year anniversary, twenty year anniversary, twenty five,
thirty is until it was like coming up, it was like, wow,
I actually never contemplated a thirtieth anniversary. You know, you start a business,
you know, started the brewery when I was twenty nine. When you're
twenty nine, you do not think about thirty years from then. That is
longer than you've been alive at that point. So what we're you thinking?
What are you thinking? Five years, five, ten, You know,
those were kind of the timetables. If I talked about twenty twenty was like
this crazy future where people are are like driving flying cars kind of thing.
So now thirty just was not a milestone that was on my radar. Now
that we're here, I think, for one, it's pretty amazing. You
know, I've it's been a great ride. You know, we have an
amazing team that's helped us get here, and I am more excited about being
here and doing this for another thirty years than I ever thought that I would
be. So now we're looking ahead to another thirty years. Yeah, Okay,
I'll kind of want to I'll be well, I'll be eighty nine then,
so still just kicking. Yeah, I do kind of want to go
back to nineteen ninety four. If you wanted to jump into Delare and crank
it up to eighty eight miles per hour and go back to nineteen ninety four,
what advice would you give nineteen ninety four Brock. The first piece of
advice I would have given nineteen ninety four Brock is don't open a bury in
Texas with the laws as they existed in nineteen ninety four. That would have
been the That was the biggest headwind that we had. I mean, it
was a tough market. Nobody knew what craft beer was, but from just
a pure business model, not being able to sell people beer at the brewery,
not being able to sell people a six pack to take home, and
that is most impactful for a startup brewery. You need the cash. You're
trying to create experiences. I mean, we started doing the tour the very
first Saturday we were open. That was critical for our business. We did
that, you know, I'd led the tour every Saturday. I remember back
when y'all were on was it forty third? Yeah, it was near thirty
fourth Street. We were on Mitchell Dale, which was back near thirty fourth
and two ninety and it was it was free. We gave the beer away
for free. The very first parties that people held at the brewery were free.
And then I think we started charging five dollars for a pint glass and
that so we started charging. So what year do you think so we started
nineteen ninety four, What year do you think we started charging for our tour?
I would say two thousand three, two thousand and six. Oh okay,
okay. We went for twelve years just to get a deer. It
was free, which is a terrible business model, but it was important to
creating exposure and educating people and creating a culture where people went to breweries on
Saturdays. They did not do that before. Now, when you talked about
the laws and all that, was it when you were building this brewery in
nineteen ninety four. Was the laws not something you thought about when you were
opening it? I was aware of it. To me, Houston was the
largest city in the country that didn't have a microbrewery. I loved Houston,
still love Houston, and I thought that the number of people here and sort
of the wide open market was going to make up for that out five years
in I remember looking around the country. It may have been it was a
little later. I think it was probably about eight years in, looking around
the country, feeling like we're doing so many things well, and I realized
every brewery in the country that was larger than us was north of a line
that you could basically draw just under the south side of San Francisco and draw
it all the way around across the country. And it mainly had to do
with laws. The only two the only two exceptions were Abida and Stone.
If you're suiting in talking to brock Wagner, founder Saint arn A brewing company,
talking about thirty years in business, wanted to sit you down kind of
reflect on the past thirty years and what have been. Let's start with your
highest what do you think your highest achievement something you look back on going wow,
I can't believe I achieved that, or I got the opportunity to do
that. I mean, there's that's a long list. I feel like,
uh, you know, the brewery, the campus that we have today with
the beer garden, the team that we have that operates everything here. I
feel like that is to me, the greatest accomplishment. And like I never
imagined the beer garden and the operation next to the brewery and this great you
know, the old historical brick building that we repurposed, this kind of cool,
interesting right by downtown kind of brewery campus. But it took the law
changing for us to be able to accomplish at least the beer garden part.
All right, let me flip the question around. Now, what is something
you look back on and you kind of regret, Maybe that wasn't the best
decision that you've done. Maybe something you're like, I kind of wish I
didn't do that. I don't feel like we have a ton of those.
I mean, there's little things here and there. You know, we definitely
did some experimenting to see we had an intellectual experiment to see could we go
farther afield and sell our beer in Florida? And we did that at about
nine years ago. We went we first researched the market about ten, ten
or eleven years ago. When we first looked at it, there were five
craft breweries in Florida, and when we opened the market like just over a
year later, there were almost fifty. So all anybody wanted was what was
local, and we kind of were slowly building the market, but it proved
to us that what we really want to do is stay close to home and
focus on Texas and Louisiana. And you know, ten years from now,
I will be perfectly happy if we sell our beer in Texas and Louisiana,
so staying kind of the the South area, Welf coast. Let's talk about
the beers. You've had so many different beers come outs, and of course
some beers discontinue because consumers aren't buying it. Is there one beer that you
look back on and you go, man, I wish that beer was still
in production, but it's not anymore. What's that beer that you? Oh?
I mean we we definitely there's definitely some there. I have my list.
I mean I can go on and on. Bronto White Noise was so
tasty. You know. The wit we had which we called comeback with Uh
you know, it actually came out in a couple of different iterations. It
was part of the Icon series, The Bishop Beryl number two Britanno Miacees,
which again we've done that again. Is the Funky Christmas or we take Christmas
Ale put it into white wine barrels, put in it, you know,
fifty pounds of cherries and then add some britannoiasses and then wait two and a
half years and that kind of gives a little bit of sourness to it.
It gives it more there. It definitely drops the pH but there's more sort
of funky, earthy flavors in there. And uh, you know, that's
a beer that I wish I had every day, but it's you know,
Amberil was still around and Amberhill is incredibly will World Beer Cup last year?
Yeah, No, it's still going strong. It's actually up this year so
nice. That's unusual for a beer kind of as quaint as that one,
but it's still delicious. And so if that one had gone away, that
would have been my answer. But fortunately that that one is still is still
chugging along. Well, I got you bought two more minutes Brock Wagoners our
guest founders center on a brewing company, reflecting on thirty years. What's next
for you, Brock? I imagine eventually you'd probably want to hang it up,
go fishing, maybe get an RV and toward the country. But what's
next for Brock Wagner. So I get asked a lot, what is my
exits strategy? Maybe that, but yeah, like what are you looking for
me? I look forward to doing this. I have thought about what else
would I enjoy doing, and there is nothing I would rather do. And
part of that is my life is made a lot easier because I have a
really strong team here. You do have made so I get to do exactly
what I like to do, and I like to focus on the strategic aspects,
the beer development, some of the marketing kind of stuff. You know,
those are things that really turned me on, and I love doing it.
I love I'm still very much involved in the hiring process. I mean,
I would say ninety percent of the positions I do the second interview.
In fact, I have one right after this, and it is the most
important thing that we do is hire people. So I still like this.
You know, I wouldn't mind, you know, being away a week a
month, but honestly, that's something that's achievable because my main role is strategic
and you don't want to be doing strategy forty hours a week, fifty two
weeks a year. It'll drive everybody crazy because you'll keep changing and you won't
ever be achieving anything. There you go, brock Wagoner, owner of Santa
Al Brewin Company, and be working until he's eighties years old. At the
sixtieth anniversary. Can't wait to do that interview. But I want to congratulate
you on thirty years and on behalf of everybody. And What's on Tap Radio
keep kicking it and we're proud to see what you guys have done and see
what you guys are going. Thanks so much, Keep up your good work.
Tag Wagner's our guests, you have one. We're a segment. What's
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Jack gets mad when I mentioned this, But I will tell you that we
had to battle through some technical difficulties throughout the entire show, but we made
it. We made it to the very end. I want to thank our
good pal Brock Wagner celebrating thirty years of Saint Arnold Brewing Company. I also
did an additional twenty five thirty minutes where we just talked and talked and talked,
and I asked him questions about, you know, what's that one beer
that he's disappointed it's no longer in production, what's his what's he's proud of?
You know, what's he want to do? I mean, what's his
ultimate end game? Stuff like that. So make sure to catch up on
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drove down to Allegan and he's like, where's Chad Pilbeam. I was refing
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branding you Space mytube. Yeah, I want to thank Superior pest Control for
sending the story over I like a good, feel good story, and this
is a good one. Out of Iowa, we talked about hold my Beer
and watched this was out of Iowa where this guy was his fake ID.
They knew it was fake because on his idea it said he was eight foot
tall, when in fact he was only five but eight. But Big Grove
Brewery, we'll give a shout out to Big Grove Brewery out in Iowa.
They're in the news after launching a new beer called Brighter Days to raise money
for mental health charity, and a portion of the proceeds are going to a
group called community like Community Crisis Services. And here is Julia Winter, she's
a director of development and Community Crisis Services talking about the special edition beer.
Let's I think it's cut five. So for us, our goal here is
really to just raise awareness for the services that are offered for our neighbors.
I think it's a great time of year's graduation weekend and this beer is launching
on May tenth, and we're just really grateful for the opportunity to get in
front of an audience that might not know about Community Crisis Services. It's Julia
Winter, director of development in Community Crisis Services, talking about the special edition
beer. And yeah, Big Growth Brewing out of Iowa launching a new beer
called Brighter Days to raise money for mental health charity. So I applaud that.
I like a good fiel good story like that, So I do too.
That's something that's it's really never discussed. It's a huge problem in this
country mental health awareness. It's funny politicians will talk about it the like we
need to addrest mental health and brewers say, you know what, how about
this will brew a beer and we'll give all the proceeds to actually doing the
research and then then the politicians say, way to go, Way to go,
And then everybody looks at the politicians say yeah, we did your job.
So thank you to the brewing industry. They find causes that politicians talk
about, and brewers just have a way of doing stuff. And by the
way, as a beer drinker, you're doing your part because when you buy
that beer, you're making sure they're successful. And they keep doing those causes.
So cool, way to go, very cool. All right. Next
next president has to have a brewer's license. That's it. That's a mandatory.
All right, Biden, sit down, Trump, take a back seat,
get out. All right, this story right here speaking, James asked
me. He says, we got to end on a feel good note.
Well, you kind of want to end on it feel good. It's what
we learned from Dave Ward along Marcaster in the Houston market that if it bleeds,
it leads, it's all in the news runs. But you want to
shut an assault that all leads, but you want to close out the show,
close out the news with something that makes people feel good inside. All
right. So this story comes to us via email good friend of ours who
is a brew crew member over at the backyard grill, Philly. They came
northwest side of Houston. It is Billy the Kid. How'd you know because
Billy Kid emailed us in the beginning of the show asking us that we were
okay because we were all last week because he knew that we had storms to
come through our way, but we were okay, okay. It's actually Devin
Bealy. Oh, it is Devin, and we call him doctor Bealey.
That's right, doctor Bay and he is. He's on the Cookoff team out
there and a great friend and a avid beer drinker, loves his dark beers,
and big supporter of the BYG and What's on Tap Radio. So thank
you, doctor Baly. Devin Bealey sent this over to us. He says,
guys, I think you missed this story. I've heard you talk about
the people with the auto brewery syndrome, but I don't think you talked about
this story. And this story goes back a couple of years. It's a
couple of years old, but we missed this one. James, a Belgian
man, was pulled over two times in a single month in twenty twenty two
for failing a breathalyzer test. It was over the Belgian's legal limit, and
he was charged with drunk driving. How tall, however, how tall was
her height? Was the eight feet tall? No, no, he was
not. Actually he was four foot four, which led to why he only
had two ounces of beer and put him over a limit. No, none
of that. In case you're not familiar with the auto brewery syndrome, it
is a very rare condition, very very rare. In fact, rumor is
is that according to well, let's say rumor, but statistics say that there
are only like twenty people in the world with this condition. I mean,
it is so rare. But where your body takes all the carbohydrates and converts
it and ferments it in your stomach and the alcohol goes directly into your bloodstream.
So anytime you eat carbs, your your stomach is a working brewery and
you are getting drunk. And so he'd previously been hit with fines and had
his license suspended in twenty nineteen for drunk driving because he didn't realize he had
ABS. But they had three independent physicians test him, and now he's on
a low carb diet. And again, only twenty people in the world diagnosed
with this, and he was acquitted of all charges, Thank goodness, because
I mean the guy's just trying to, you know, drive home, and
he had no you know, no idea. Just it's not like he was,
you know, playing around with a gun at seven years old and took
his eye out. I mean, you know, at his own accidentally.
This is a guy who is just born that way and his stomach fermenting pushes
all ethanol levels above the legal limit, and so he has to be very
careful. And the twist about the story not only does it end on a
happy note where you know, the doctor's confirmed he had the condition, he
was released and without being charged. But ladies and gentlemen, what do you
want to guess? Take a wild guess of what he does for a living?
No, tell me, he's a brewer. He's a brewer. He
works at a brewery in Belgium. How's that for reny? And I want
to thank Devin Beely for sending that over a brewer in Belgium suffers. He's
one of the twenty people in the world who has an auto brewery system.
And by the way, syndrome and I have to ask this question. There
was a story we didn't get to this week where they're making beer from killer
bees in Africa. My question is this, who's going to be the first
one to make a beer from a brewer's stomach? Lining. Oh, that's
an odd They've made it from worst parts of the body. Close this show
out, okay, on that's this is made for the testis from someone's body.
All right, I'm gonna give a special shout out to a brock Wagner
saying our brewing company for stopping by the show. Go check out that interview
and then also check out our podcast where we did an additional minutes. Any
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