1 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,559 We're back with another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. Emilygianskate, culture editor 2 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,079 here at The Federalist. As always, you can email the show at radio 3 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,239 at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr ls T, 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,320 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts as well. Today we're joined 5 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:36,280 by Christopher Bedford. He is the executive editor over at the Common Sense Society. 6 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:40,960 Chris, welcome back, Glad to be back. He's dressed for success 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,320 today with khakis and a blue blazer, perhaps because he had quite a week 8 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:51,719 and is ready to just jump back into the podcast itself. Chris sort of 9 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,920 rankled the former president of the United States with his segment on Laura Ingraham Show 10 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 going through some polls and this part of what we're going to talk about today. 11 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:04,200 Chris is Rhynda Santas is robbed A Santas, meet Paul Ron however you 12 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,640 want to say it. His presidential announcement which was rolled out last night. 13 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,879 We're talking here on Thursday morning. Tell us a little bit about what you 14 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:18,319 were talking about that so angered Donald Trump. We we're talking about some of 15 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:19,840 the polls that have come out, which you know, don't actually mean a 16 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:26,799 ton right now, right, But people pulling Joe Biden versus Donald Trump in 17 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Georgia and Arizona have Joe Biden winning, and that's kind of strange because Joe 18 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,480 Biden's kind of like a popsicle stick at this point. So Joe Biden versus 19 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:42,840 generic Republican Joe Biden versus Rhynda Santas, Joe Biden versus probably Tim Scott, 20 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,799 those polls look different, and specifically in this segment, they were talking about 21 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:51,319 Rhynda Santas someone who really gets under Donald Trump's skin and how both in Arizona 22 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:53,920 and Georgia he is leading, and that's that could potentially be significants, like 23 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,760 so far out, but in that it's good, it's good's generally good news 24 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,280 for Republicans. I mean, Lkins got their butts kicked in Georgia recently. 25 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:09,080 They's Democratic senators didn't go for Trump. Um so to have a round de 26 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:15,560 sanis leading there shows the weakness of Joe Biden, because you know, Joe 27 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,479 Biden's a really well defined person. He's been in public life, my entire 28 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,960 life, A lot of people's entire lives longer than your entire life, significantly, 29 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:28,800 and you're you're old, very right. So, but Donald Trump's obviously 30 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,680 a very well defined person as well. Now we I think one of the 31 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,319 things I probably got under his skin was one that you know, somebody dared 32 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,639 do that segment laure Ingram, that dared do that segment with setting polls. 33 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:43,719 But second, I mean I pointed out that there's a there's a math problem 34 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:46,680 for Donald Trump, which is he got forty six point one I think percent 35 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:50,639 of the vote in twenty sixteen. Um, Hillary got more, but he 36 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,960 won the electoral college, which is important, essential, and so he won 37 00:02:54,599 --> 00:03:00,120 the And one of the reasons that I think he won is Hillary didn't excite 38 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,599 the black vote very strongly. She a lot of people decided to stay home. 39 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,159 Moderate voters either went for Donald Trump sometimes or decided to stay home. 40 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:15,319 Hillary Clinton didn't attract them. Some liberals who didn't like Hillary didn't actually think 41 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:17,520 there's any shot that Donald Trump is going to become president, so they didn't 42 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:23,000 vote. But that basically means that since since his term, his four years, 43 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,719 which I think we're a great and very successful four years as president, 44 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:30,560 and generally speaking his four years, he went through that all the crap from 45 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:35,599 the media, all the lies, all the basic attempt at coup from our 46 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,560 intel agencies, and then kind of wrapped it up nicely with that debacle on 47 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:44,840 January six, that riot. That forty six point one is his ceiling. 48 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,199 He's not going to get higher than that. Everything is solidified. He's a 49 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:51,879 known entity. He's about as old as Joe Biden, significantly more energetic, 50 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,800 but he shares a lot of the weaknesses that the Joe Biden shares. So 51 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,599 we pointed that out, which I'm sure annoys him because he thinks he's going 52 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:03,360 to be president again. He might very well be the nominee again, but 53 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,439 I'm very doubtful he'll be very doubtful. Who knows, maybe something will happen, 54 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,879 doubtful he'll be president again. And really, the only polls the matter 55 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,840 right now or New Hampshire and Iowa at least a Donald Trump and around to 56 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:19,680 Santis, and Trump is gaining on De Santis or not gaining out. He's 57 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,959 getting ground over to Santis. De Santis has been losing a shift of shares 58 00:04:24,959 --> 00:04:29,680 of that vote in the polls. Granted, Donald Trump has a six year 59 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,079 advantage, he's not just six months. He's been campaign. He's been campaigning 60 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,839 for six years over round to Santis, so that's got something. He's got 61 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,839 that, but he's also got a rock solid, faithful following that are going 62 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:43,959 to stick with Hi wherever. He's extremely entertaining. The lines are out the 63 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:47,519 door when he goes to Iowa and New Hampshire, still really anywhere. But 64 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,959 he's never run against see things I could play in a round to Santas's flay 65 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,519 favor. A few things are. Trump's never run against someone who's in his 66 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:00,160 lane. He ran against a bunch of Iraq War pro Iraq or Wall Street 67 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,759 corporatist Republicans who had no idea what to do with this WWE wrestler who had 68 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,839 suddenly entered the ring and been like, all the stuff is garbage. And 69 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:15,040 the American people know that the Santus is still literally the only populace aside from 70 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,879 him who's running for president. He's actually the rest of them because Republicans are 71 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:23,079 so stupid, like Nikki Haley and Tim Scott are just time machines to twenty 72 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,680 twelve, no one's really taken that queue of like we need to run maybe 73 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,519 in a different laneus with the voters want so he's never faced that. He's 74 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:34,839 probably never had somebody really come in from his right, at least as a 75 00:05:35,079 --> 00:05:42,000 way as work. Maybe we wouldn't call right post twenty sixteen on abortion, 76 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:45,639 on a couple of other things. Someone who's like, no, you didn't. 77 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,839 You said you'd build a wall, but it's not done. And somebody 78 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,279 executes like someone who comes at him from the right and hits those accomplishments that'll 79 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,000 be new. And also at this point, and I mean this is this 80 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,639 is different because these people are undefined. But a couple of months before Iowa, 81 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,920 Ben Carson was in the league, like it was one, they blamed 82 00:06:03,959 --> 00:06:06,839 Twitter for him losing. I don't think anybody. I didn't see anyone at 83 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:11,839 the Iowa cox is checking Ted Cruise's Twitter account to find out if they should 84 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:15,680 vote or not. So I don't think that I did anything to it, 85 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:18,480 but there's a lot that could change. Those are the only polls that matter. 86 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,399 Anyways, Trump saw it and he chimped out. I was gonna say, 87 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,399 you just monologued for like I wasn't watching the clock, but it was. 88 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,000 It was sorry if it him on. No, it was all interesting 89 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,040 because I feel like you've had some time thinking about I mean, it's it's 90 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:40,560 it's so strange when the former president of the United States is reacting to your 91 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:44,560 appearance on television. You've been doing these fairly regular kind of electoral segments in 92 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,720 front of usually my thoughts, well, highly successful are very respected author personals. 93 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:55,160 So but anyway, um, I want to ask how he posts on 94 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:01,360 truth social basically saying Fox News is destroyed its ratings or something because of the 95 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:05,800 anti Trump segment and whatever. But I want to ask how you think the 96 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:13,000 roll out yesterday of the de Santis campaign launch, which was eventful to say 97 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,519 the very least, how that affects everything you just described, the sort of 98 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:23,800 electoral dynamics that you just described. For anybody who didn't listen on Twitter last 99 00:07:23,839 --> 00:07:27,759 night or hasn't I caught the coverage. Likewise, I thought I was twenty 100 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:30,519 minutes late, so I was bringing the boy home from school, and it 101 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,720 told out I was just on time. You were even a little early. 102 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,879 We end up presidential speech starting twenty minutes Late's actually pretty good. Yeah, 103 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,920 actually, you know that's not a bad point. But Elon Musk was hosting 104 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,399 a Twitter space to launch as the launch of the de Santis presidential campaign that 105 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,240 was moderated by David Sacks, and Musk was sort of part of it was 106 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,120 actually kind of confusing what the structure is. Was supposed to be moderated by 107 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,079 Sachs, and then Elon was supposed to be interviewing de Santis, but the 108 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,839 moderator slash interviewer. I guess breakdown is sort of a strange one to begin 109 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:05,120 with. It was ultimately mostly moderated by Sachs and Elon answered some questions and 110 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:13,040 weighed in in some places, but it was it and so they they had 111 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,519 questions from Chris Ruffo, Thomas Massey, our friend Dana lash Um asked some 112 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:24,519 questions of the of the governor and before that though, the sort of meme 113 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,720 that came to life immediately, Um, there were several hundred thousand people trying 114 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,600 to listen to the spaces and that's um, if you're not on Twitter, 115 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:37,519 it's like a live podcast almost. It was first Twitter space. Yeah, 116 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:41,440 I've used it very rarely. I've never spoken on one. But basically you 117 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,879 have a couple of people speaking and you can see who's listening to it. 118 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:50,480 You see how many people are listening to it, and it's live audio, 119 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,519 um and so Elon was going to launch the Santist campaign. This way, 120 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,679 people get on Elon Musk's Twitter space and it's a little late, but then 121 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:03,240 keeps crashing for about a half an hour because they said they were trying to 122 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,480 get this is what their claim is, that they needed more server space. 123 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,440 And I suppose it makes sense that, you know, Twitter's infrastructure is maybe 124 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,080 at this point not built for spaces that big, because I've never seen a 125 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,720 space that big. Maybe they've existed, but several hundred thousand people, while 126 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,840 you know, not like I said, it was by far the biggest I've 127 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,240 ever had. I believe that because you know, it's not the size of 128 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:28,639 Tucker Carlson's Fox News audiences for sure, but several hundred thousand people when they 129 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:35,799 haven't had that before, I can imagine would be glitchy, and indeed it 130 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:39,399 was. So they finally get it working on David Texas Twitter account, They've 131 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,679 got, you know, several hundred thousand people listening. I think it varied 132 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,000 between a couple hundred thousand and six hundred thousand. Every time that I had 133 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,679 to reboot the page, you kept getting kicked out of the Space. If 134 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,120 you were listening to it, it would crash. You'd have to go and 135 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,000 reload it. Then it would crash again. For a certain amount of time, 136 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:58,320 there was weird elevator music, and then you could hear them actually trying 137 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,879 to figure it out, like you would just hear sort of segments of them 138 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:05,240 trying to figure it out when the audio would have saw that Like Sex twenty. 139 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,080 It was bizarre and it didn't work the first five times I collect it, 140 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,960 and then a suddenly work. Yeah, it was cool, and then 141 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,279 it stuck around. As soon as you get to the Sacks Space feed, 142 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,399 it was it was doing all right. But Chris, to your point about 143 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:24,720 these dynamics, there have been a lot of I think interesting and constructive criticisms 144 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:28,919 of the decision to launch on Twitter with Elon Musk and David Sacks, and 145 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:35,159 that this is like a very online campaign and the very online capital V capitol 146 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:39,320 O Lane is not really that big. Some people said, you could have 147 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,080 done a launch where every network would have forced would have been forced to cut 148 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,240 to it live with your family and this image, and then he went right 149 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:50,120 to Trey Goudy Show on Fox News and he's doing I think some Radio Stuff 150 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:56,080 Today with Dana and Gardy Denmark Levin and some other places. But some of 151 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,320 those criticisms are really interesting to me. I don't think that it was nearly 152 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,279 as disastrous as everybody says it was, because at all, the voter has 153 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:07,440 a short memory. It's just a thing. I mean. So, yeah, 154 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:13,320 it was annoying, and I think that the biggest negative impact that it 155 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:22,320 had was it caused a audibly frustrated governor to kind of rattle through his opening 156 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,080 remarks like he was like, clearly he just wanted to get through it. 157 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,960 He had a bunch of things to do, and he read it, and 158 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,080 it was clearly he was reading he was reading it too quickly, and it 159 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:31,679 was opening remarks. I was sitting everything like this kind of sounds like a 160 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:37,120 robot call. This is not great. But then what ended up being great 161 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:39,879 and I think was extremely helpful to him was the interview section. Granted, 162 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:43,600 it wasn't like a very hostile interview. There was some pro Trump people in 163 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,000 there and some Protestantis people in there, where I don't really I didn't really 164 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:52,080 detect any like anti conservative voices, but they asked him a lot of the 165 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:56,519 questions that are about things that are going to be brought up fairly immediately. 166 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,879 Your war with Disney, What is the book banning? Explain this fight? 167 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,240 Explain that fight. What would you do different? What's the Florida way. 168 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,879 Let's talk about the COVID thing. Let's talk about the censorship. They talked 169 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:11,720 about things that were helpful to him, and they talked about things that I 170 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:16,519 gave him an opportunity to clear things up to start off in his speech on 171 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:22,360 the record kind of an apologetic slash defense of his policies and where he's been 172 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,399 attacked. I mean, it's worth keeping in mind that there's really no such 173 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,600 thing. It's like a good presidential launch. There's very few in history. 174 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,960 Agree. You don't remember day in front of was that attacking? Who did 175 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,080 in front of the Statue of Liberty? I don't even remember. I don't 176 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,120 remember. Sorry I could be wrong on that, But there's this big launch 177 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,799 in front of the Statue of Liberty in the campaign was bankrupted. Like two 178 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:48,879 weeks you got the Tim Scott video, which I guess you get to play 179 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:56,519 some smooth video on the news segments in the days afterwards of this Time Traveler 180 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,799 from twenty twelve explaining what the GOP is. I mean, Donald Trump's was 181 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,399 fun in twenty sixteen where he came down the Golden Escalator to Rocking in the 182 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:09,039 Free World and there was a bunch of people who'd been paid to be there 183 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,720 and he didn't care and he just went off about immigration. But he was 184 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,120 panned for that. At the time, I thought it was great. I 185 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:22,000 thought it was an intentional dig against Jeff Bush because Rocking in the Free World 186 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,519 is an anti hw Bush song. But it turns out this is like one 187 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,000 of the early lessons about Donald Trump the liberals learned the hard way. There's 188 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,360 like no actual deep meaning to any of the music he plays. It's just 189 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,600 stuff he likes, just things he looks. It's like I think there's some 190 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,279 angeloid Webber in there. It's just it's awesome. It's just stuff opps iPod 191 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:48,159 iPod. So there was a lot of like as much as the technical glitches 192 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,360 were annoying, as much as like I'm almost definitely gonna have to talk about 193 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:58,399 it and segments or whatever coming up. People who are going on and on 194 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,639 about it on Twitter are like kind of stupid, Hut, what the American 195 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:05,879 people care about? This is a really important point because again I assume some 196 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,240 of our listeners are blessed enough not to be on Twitter regularly, and Twitter 197 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,879 there has been this developing war between Team to Santis and Team Trump. We're 198 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:18,759 both have these I essentially would call them influencers. Some of it, of 199 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:20,320 course, is organic. There are people with you know, somewhat of a 200 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,360 profile, use Twitter very heavily and really like either to Santis or Trump for 201 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,399 this nomination contest, and feel very strongly about why one of them is better 202 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:31,120 than the other and should be the nominee and should be the president. Again, 203 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:37,840 it has gotten incredibly tribal, it has gotten incredibly nasty, and I 204 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,080 think it's important, Chris, for us to both say, by the way, 205 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,399 that we are not on any team here. Um, I don't have 206 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:46,399 a team in the presidential primary. I have ideas that I think are important. 207 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:50,759 You're the same way. But I have priorities I think are important. 208 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:54,480 But I don't think either of us in The bad news is that this Republic 209 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:58,240 probably isn't going to be saved by a president. Yeah, and then you 210 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:00,960 know there's a case, you know that one person and would push the country 211 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,600 onto a better track or the other person would to be made, and people 212 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,480 are able to make those cases. And it's our job as journalists to suss 213 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:15,320 out what's factual and correct and true from what's not and to make fun of 214 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,320 things that are not true. I mean, as I got off, like 215 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,960 this doesn't really matter that much beyond the pundit class. But he said he 216 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,039 was going to run a campaign on being more efficient and what and Twitter gletched 217 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,720 and so what also, and there's other things like Donald Trump is going to 218 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:35,720 use this attack and he put out a great Jeff afterwards, Jeff, Yeah, 219 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,960 Giff. Also, the clanking you're hearing in the background is our fearless 220 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:46,559 leader Molly Hemingway. Lacking deference to the podcast, but yeah, I mean, 221 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,840 so, Jeff is technically how the creator says, you say it, 222 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:50,720 But as a culture, we've rejected that and come to the consensus that is 223 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:56,240 better pronounced as gifts, so only old people say, Jeff, okay, 224 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:02,519 go on, cruncher, creamy, crunchy, are you kidding? Good for 225 00:16:02,559 --> 00:16:10,000 you? Trump put out a good gift of one of Elon Musk's rocketships fallen 226 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,159 over and exploding, and that was like pretty funny. But if I was 227 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,000 Donald Trump, like my land of attack on Rondo, Sanus is not Twitter 228 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:22,879 glitched. I mean, she's literally the CEO of a garbage social media network 229 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,480 that's completely falling apart and now you can barely get frail and doesn't page spills. 230 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,279 So that's fair. It's like the guy who runs true social can't be 231 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,919 like you've got glitches in your technology. I do think this is a fair 232 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,360 point, though, that there are people in conservative media and just sort of 233 00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:42,679 in conservative circles in general, that because Twitter, in particular Twitter, but 234 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:48,720 social media in general, these products are so addictive and so damaging to our 235 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:53,559 ability to interact with each other as human beings, our ability to litigate political 236 00:16:53,639 --> 00:17:00,240 questions in a healthier sense. Given all of the like naturally human flaws we 237 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:03,000 are already built in the problem. Social media exacerbates them and makes them worse. 238 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:07,960 And so people falling into these camps and fighting like this on Twitter makes 239 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:14,359 both of their candidates look bad. And it's a great like touch grass moment, 240 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,079 Like these are like great red flags like go outside touch grass being normal, 241 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:22,319 And it's just it's unfortunate to me to see some of that starting to 242 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,359 influence the Republican presidential primary, because basically one thing that everyone agrees on who 243 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,920 would potentially be voting in a Republican presidential primary is that the media itself is 244 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:37,680 way too insular, and I think making some of those same mistakes is not 245 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,920 healthy for the conservative movement. Yeah, well, what do you What did 246 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,160 you think of it? So the Santis, as you said, started with 247 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:51,000 a scripted speech. It sounded like when a high school debate kid is reading 248 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000 their like opening statement, like you don't really want to be doing this, 249 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,680 you just want to get to the fun part. I thought it touched on 250 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,640 some like pretty good substantive priorities that no other candidate other than Trump probably would 251 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,599 touch on. To your point about them being in the same lane, but 252 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,319 I thought he really shined in the back and forth questions between Yeah, he 253 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:15,039 did great, He did great there, I mean, had some excellent explanations 254 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:21,799 and defense and very coherent I think, I think correct defenses of against allegations 255 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:26,400 of book banning or bullying Disney that we get from weekneed Republicans, did you 256 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,160 see Elon Musk started to interrupt it. He said, I was actually under 257 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,640 the impression that some books were being banned. So this is news to me 258 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:36,400 when Ron Santas explained exactly why there aren't actual book bands. Yeah, they 259 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,400 either used the term bookman, but it's not actually the case of what's going 260 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,160 on. That's fine. I've used the term bookman probably described when books are 261 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,920 I think there was an author who was attacked in Portland if during during a 262 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:49,960 signing and by Antifa, and then the bookstore stopped carrying them, and when 263 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,480 Amazon stops carrying books. I've called it the book band. So I get 264 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,559 that you can throw it around, but they're using it intentionally lie about the 265 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,279 sort of thing that was great. There's some interesting stuff like the send is 266 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:04,359 obviously trying to get back into the normal normy Republican lane on foreign policy. 267 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:08,319 He but he's trying to and then also trying not to, you know what 268 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:11,000 I mean, Like he's trying to not go too far right. And then 269 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:15,599 everyone's like Marco Rubio is like, oh no, I mean, there are 270 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:23,119 there are two pillars which America stands Israel in Ukraine, and there's like a 271 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,079 few segment of the GUP that really thinks that. So he had to do 272 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,759 some damage control after after saying maybe this Ukraine thing is kind of a mess. 273 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,079 And you saw him last night and want to end his interviews on Tucker's 274 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:41,119 old show saying, yeah, by the way, the problem with Ukraine is 275 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:44,720 the military's woke, and as a veteran, we need to fix politics in 276 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:49,480 the military. So like he completely deflected that he spent last weekend at a 277 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:56,640 Guepe evangelical conference shining up his bona fides a bona fides on Israel, he's 278 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,519 kind of doing a little bit more of the normal thing, which goes to 279 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:02,960 open him up. Just you know. I actually I think that the GOP 280 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,240 is like very soundly and that's voters very soundly with Israel, and that not 281 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:10,440 less so on Ukraine. But there's ape about to Donald Trump, who's kind 282 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:15,279 of famous for saying foreign policy is bs about the blob is completely full of 283 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:22,039 it. I was trying to find um Molly's question. Molly actually asked the 284 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:26,880 government question after the launch on a call Um and I've so she hasked a 285 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,920 really good question specifically about Ukraine, and it just again to me, it 286 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,880 sounds it was on a press call afterwards, and Um it seemed to me 287 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:41,759 as though it's he knows that there's a that's kind of a risk aversion, 288 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:48,000 and I don't know that that's entirely wise right now in the primary, and 289 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,200 obviously what you do in the primary effects what you do in the general um. 290 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,920 But it's it's one thing that's difficult for me to assess is what his 291 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,720 strategy is and what he actually believes, Whereas like with a lot of candidates 292 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,680 and tell you know what the strategy is and what they probably actually believe. 293 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,240 I, honest to goodness, don't know what the strategy is and I don't 294 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:07,799 know what he actually believes. In the Ukraine question, well, he's gonna 295 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,119 family have to define himself a little more clearly, and that domestic politics is 296 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,559 obviously gonna be the most important thing that we have going. It's not like 297 00:21:14,599 --> 00:21:18,799 those American soldiers currently in Ukraine, Uh, well, they're all there in 298 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:23,720 a voluntary basis. It's obviously going to be the domestic things where he's gonna 299 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:27,400 lie. He's gonna have to get in order. I mean, the reports 300 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:34,079 I've heard from people who are definitely have a disposition towards liking to Senis was 301 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,319 that his disorganization and the amount of people who felt like the head authority and 302 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,599 would wield it in Iowa. Of his pre campaign was similar to the chaos 303 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:47,880 around Romney Ryan in twenty twelve, and like everybody was in charge and everybody 304 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,240 was super protective and things just weren't getting done. So he's gonna have it's 305 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,319 going to be a learning curve to go from having run to statewide campau, 306 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,640 you know, two campaigns for governor in Florida to having to run now nationally 307 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,279 to take that team he's been building in Florida, and he's been building this 308 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,319 now for three two or three years. Essentially the I'm going to run for 309 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,880 President team, which rubbed a lot of people in Florida the wrong way, 310 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,759 but I think could have been generally the right thing to bring in just top 311 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:18,839 talent, regardless of where they are from, moved to Florida become part of 312 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,160 it. He's gonna have to actually see if that army he's been drilling is 313 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,319 going to be capable of executing because he's got a lot. As we talked 314 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:33,559 about in this lor Ingram's segment that Trump lost his mind over was the only 315 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:37,960 thing that matters is Iowa New Hampshire. I mean they get to South Carolina, 316 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,359 You've got two homegrown candidates. I mean, I actually don't think that 317 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,240 South Carolinians really love Nikki Haley anymore. It also means they're splitting the vote 318 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,279 though in South Carolina, which is an impossible equation for either of them. 319 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:52,359 They can just hope to do better in a plurality. And this is a 320 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,400 broader problem for the candidates. And this is part of Trump's math problem, 321 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,000 but it's also part of DeSantis's math problem. And it's why I think someone 322 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:06,039 liked Tim Scott despite you know, all of the political class basically laughing at 323 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:08,000 them, laughing at him, except for the people who are maybe making money 324 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,480 off him, are saying eat it. I'm gonna wait in the wings here. 325 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,359 Because the plurality is so, if you have Donald Trump, with a 326 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:21,000 hardened thirty percent of the electorate love Donald Trump, that's the guy and nobody 327 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,799 else. And that's for some really understandable reasons, like why would you if 328 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:27,039 you like Donald Trump because he's not a politician, why would you then swap 329 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,240 him out for any of these other people who are actual politicians. So it's 330 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:36,599 entirely reasonable people who stick with Donald Trump. But if that's thirty percent of 331 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:41,720 the electorate and Ronda Santis peels away, you know, another thirty percent, 332 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,160 maybe then you have everyone else splitting that lane with Ronda Santis. So in 333 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,839 the sense that Trump and De Santis are the two post Trump candidates in the 334 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,279 race, and I mean that in the sense like these are the two people 335 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:59,759 who have reflected and responded to the earthquake, the ideological earthquake of the Trump 336 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,680 sidency, one obviously Donald Trump, and the others ROUNDA Santis in substantive ways 337 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,799 where they're willing to talk about as round De Santis talked about on the on 338 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,759 the Twitter space yesterday, the FBI, what does Tim Scott kind of do 339 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:15,839 like it to actually reigned in the fact that the FBI the CIA were like 340 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,640 bringing an election. Um, I haven't heard a word from Tim Scott about 341 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,640 that. I don't know. You never will be a fine vice president. 342 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:27,000 So but that is that this is a math problem right for both De Santis 343 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,000 and Trump, which is that if you can't really move the needle past that 344 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,680 you're all racing for. Um, you know, it's not a two person 345 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:38,240 race like it was with Hillary and Bernie and and that's an interesting question. 346 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:44,240 So that's where De Santis thinks he can get both because he did this in 347 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,880 Florida, right, It was he barely wins that governor's race, just wins 348 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,920 it by a hair. Nobody has visions here Barack Obama. Yes, it 349 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:55,920 turned out to not actually the future of Barack Obama. Yes, And so 350 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,519 again, Florida's historically a purple state. Nobody has visions of grandeur for Ronda 351 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,920 Santis whatsoever. But he comes in and as a very thoughtful governor that puts 352 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,519 his money where his mouth is. First of all, his mouth is in 353 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,720 a place where a lot of politicians won't go, which is he's willing to 354 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,319 talk about some of these post Trump issues that he has understood are importance to 355 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,200 the electorate. And he does it and matches it with substantive legislation, which 356 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,799 is not something that Republicans are used to seeing from their leadership and from elected 357 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:27,279 politicians. And that ends up we spent the last year doing it ends up 358 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,960 not just being popular with the Trump voters, but it is also turns out 359 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,759 to be popular with those sort of suburban voters that Trump has never been able 360 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:40,880 to get. But the question is can your math work when you're in a 361 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,480 race against Trump? And so you're necessarily going to lose some of those Trump 362 00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,359 voters, especially when you're forced to talk about Donald Trump's faults and why people 363 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:55,839 should vote for you over him, well, getting enough people from those other 364 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,640 factions, you know, the sort of suburban voters yard math, when you're 365 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,920 also splitting that with other candidates. Granted, I don't know how high that 366 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,960 Tim's got Nikki Hilly ceiling is, but you're also splitting I think it's going 367 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,599 to be a very hard trek. I mean, I think it was probably 368 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,960 the correct move to go now, strike while the iron's hot. Don't be 369 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,319 Chris Christie who waits around another four years. The country's kind of tired of 370 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,039 you and then runs when people are already annoyed, like that's not the way 371 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,480 to go to senus And he basically had to decide He's like, all right, 372 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,359 well, my time to get in the best time to get in the 373 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,799 ring is right now. But there is like a giant ogre with the club 374 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:38,160 in the ring who's very dangerous and because voters have made me popular, yeah, 375 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:45,559 and has the potential to define people like the long term political presidential aspirations. 376 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:52,240 Damage he did to Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. It's huge to Jeb 377 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,480 Bush. Is his future on anything like to Jeb Bush where he could be 378 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,759 like on the board of the university. I guess they have to think about 379 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:06,160 that and see if he's actually able to fight back and clap back and be 380 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,240 tough on that, and I think that there's a future. The thing is 381 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:14,720 Trump's significantly harder on De Senis, and Trump's voters are like very few diehards 382 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,559 girl or diehard Trump supporters who hate de Senis. They exist mostly on Twitter 383 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,839 probably, and they're all attacking to Santis from the left. By the way, 384 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,759 yeah, abortion on things like that, on the legislative agenda that De 385 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,039 Santis put down in Florida to basically run on and supposed to just running down 386 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,880 a party platform. He enacted it in a state and now he's going to 387 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,599 run Yeah. And to see these absolute weak need people from Nicki Haley to 388 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,960 Mike Pence, Foreverel's coming out there and saying, well, you lost money 389 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,680 to a Disney deal that had nothing to do with anything. But I mean, 390 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:52,079 it's it's there. They're showing their own rears more than they're actually hitting 391 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,279 his. He had a fantastic answer to the Disney question that I think was 392 00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:59,839 posed by David Sacks and the Twitter yesterday, which was basically like, no, 393 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,079 he made Disney more money than I did when I opened them, and 394 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,440 Disneyland was closed in California because of California's insane COVID policies, and he said 395 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:14,160 they are going after children, and yeah, I think Gavin Knewsom took note 396 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,119 of that. He's definitely gonna be like, well, Disney's got a home 397 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,920 here in California, are you over there? And it's like, yeah, 398 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,519 I will give this to Gavin Knewsom. Though at least he did shut down 399 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:29,160 the Grimmars for two years. He kept them away from the Gainst for two 400 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,920 years. Yeah, so there's obviously there's one of the lessons I think the 401 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,440 political class should have internalized from twenty sixteen but obviously did not, was humility 402 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,640 and then like you really really really don't know where things go. I've heard 403 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,640 that sort of from the camp of people who seem to have long shot bids, 404 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:49,880 because frankly, that vote is going to be split up in so many 405 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,759 different ways. I think that's the Tim Scott tryed to sort of wait in 406 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:59,680 the wings and when one of the campaign's self destructs. For JFK Jr. 407 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:03,880 I got our Yeah, JK Junior is not running for president unless you're quing 408 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,359 one. And you think you still out there and could mount a bid. 409 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,680 And no, that happened right now near my parents. We could see the 410 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,599 search. That's right, you're a mass whole. Yeah, don't say that 411 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,480 on the air. You really are compliment me. You said you said much 412 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,319 worse on the air. But I've been getting better. I think it's because 413 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:27,000 you have a kid in the house now. Yeah, it's really rehabilitating your 414 00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:32,039 edge. When I was like, why why is Ron Sanna's speaking so quickly 415 00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:33,519 in this speech, Like why is you rattling through it? Sarah said, 416 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,160 imagine your frustration if you had a twenty in a technical glitch for anything, 417 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:42,960 forget about launching your presidential bid. She's like, I think that you might 418 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,680 have an andros of a die. Just spiral. You spiral so fast with 419 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,720 technology. Well, people don't realize in the back of right head, there's 420 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,880 like this pressure cooker that's going off and often so it just looks calm and 421 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,720 it seems like a really sudden explosion, but it's it's been building for a 422 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,960 while. Yeah, it was great when you got the iPad so you could 423 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:08,000 like touch the screen. Well here's well, we're we're will close actually on 424 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:14,599 that scripted opening, because I think the worst thing Round DeSantis could do is 425 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,599 have this sort of ride the fence approach to questions like Ukraine that are still 426 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,000 maybe up in the air because you have suburban voters different than Republican populist voters. 427 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,720 And the best example to the contrary is Ronald Reagan, who actually a 428 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,240 lot of people didn't agree with the full Reagan platform, but he always he 429 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:33,240 has this line. I think this is a seat pack speech, like an 430 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,640 original seapack speech. He says bold colors, not pale pastels, And there's 431 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:44,000 an electoral brilliance to that in that voters just need to trust you. They 432 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,000 don't need to fully agree with you, and they need to trust that you're 433 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,880 being authentic. And I think DeSantis has really both Trump and Desantas have really 434 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,599 benefited from the bold colors not pale pastel's approach. To be careful because everyone 435 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,480 who wants to question these kind of blog mentalities just lost their loudest spokesman. 436 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,680 Well maybe I mean for a little while. Yeah, but that's okay. 437 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,319 I mean, I really think right now. You know, there's that Harvard 438 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,400 Harris poll that came out this week that showed the majority of Americans don't believe 439 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,920 the Hunter Biden laptop was disinformation. They don't believe that Trump colluded with Russia, 440 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,359 and that the hooker's pete on the bed, etc. Etc. And 441 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,880 that's you know, good news and bad news, and that they still found, 442 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,400 you know, some forty one percent of the country saw the Hunter Biden 443 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:32,000 laptop as disinformation. They believed it was disinformation. The media's power is still 444 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,519 vast and egregious. It's waning quickly, but it's still egregious and it's still 445 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,960 very, very influential. But when you have the majority of the country now 446 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,359 getting news from other sources and sort of being able to penetrate the fact that 447 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,599 every or the reality that every single institution in the country, mainstream institution in 448 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,160 the country is telling you is true. The intel community, the media, 449 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,960 the government, it's all saying one thing, and you actually believe the contrary 450 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,920 to the tune of six out of ten voters. That's great. So I 451 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:06,440 do think there's there's power in that for Republicans. This cycle. But the 452 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,400 worst thing that you can do, I think, is to be a fence 453 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,079 writer on some of those important questions. And if ron De Santis believes, 454 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,359 um, you know, sort of what the direction that the Heritage Foundation has 455 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,319 gone and has undergone this process of I think, really thoughtfully reconsidering some of 456 00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:24,000 our foreign policy, our tech policy, if he can go along with that, 457 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:28,039 and if he really believes that there are some serious questions about our Ukraine 458 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:31,240 policy, he should freaking say it because it'll be electorally beneficial. Even if 459 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,440 the suburban voters who have Ukraine flags in their yard are turned off by it. 460 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,799 They have different priorities when they go to vote, for the most part, 461 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:42,279 and what they want to believe is that he's not just a usual politician. 462 00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:45,759 They can trust him. No offence writing and no pointing with your thumb, 463 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,400 No pointing with your thumb. That bothers you, It drives me. 464 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,759 It's Clint, It's Clinton. It's like no, it's like Trump did to 465 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:57,880 pointing with your thumb, what Barack Obama did to ties, what Kennedy did 466 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,759 the hats. It's just kind of like he's gone, you look stupid. 467 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,799 Now, I notice you're not wearing a tie. I'll be wearing a tyler. 468 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,599 Why for formal events, like you're going to a formal Oh, you 469 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,359 are going to a formal m that's right. You're taking a train, which 470 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,480 you always have to put a tie on for the trains. Baark. I'm 471 00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:22,440 not an animal. One of our bitterest disagreements is over casual wear on Transita. 472 00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:28,079 I would call it bandwaarcy. All right, well, I can tell 473 00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,400 that Chris is getting antsy. He must have something going on in his iPad 474 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,960 that he'd rather I will wrap it up. You've been listening to another edition 475 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,400 of The Federalist Radio Hour Emilijasinski, joined today by Christopher Bedford. Chris, 476 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,759 thanks for thanks for coming. Always great. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well 477 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:46,559 we'll be back as soon with more. Until then, be lovers of freedom 478 00:33:46,680 --> 00:34:00,920 and anxious for the fray th