We're back with another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. Emilygianskate, culture editor
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by Christopher Bedford. He is the executive editor over at the Common Sense Society.
Chris, welcome back, Glad to be back. He's dressed for success
today with khakis and a blue blazer, perhaps because he had quite a week
and is ready to just jump back into the podcast itself. Chris sort of
rankled the former president of the United States with his segment on Laura Ingraham Show
going through some polls and this part of what we're going to talk about today.
Chris is Rhynda Santas is robbed A Santas, meet Paul Ron however you
want to say it. His presidential announcement which was rolled out last night.
We're talking here on Thursday morning. Tell us a little bit about what you
were talking about that so angered Donald Trump. We we're talking about some of
the polls that have come out, which you know, don't actually mean a
ton right now, right, But people pulling Joe Biden versus Donald Trump in
Georgia and Arizona have Joe Biden winning, and that's kind of strange because Joe
Biden's kind of like a popsicle stick at this point. So Joe Biden versus
generic Republican Joe Biden versus Rhynda Santas, Joe Biden versus probably Tim Scott,
those polls look different, and specifically in this segment, they were talking about
Rhynda Santas someone who really gets under Donald Trump's skin and how both in Arizona
and Georgia he is leading, and that's that could potentially be significants, like
so far out, but in that it's good, it's good's generally good news
for Republicans. I mean, Lkins got their butts kicked in Georgia recently.
They's Democratic senators didn't go for Trump. Um so to have a round de
sanis leading there shows the weakness of Joe Biden, because you know, Joe
Biden's a really well defined person. He's been in public life, my entire
life, A lot of people's entire lives longer than your entire life, significantly,
and you're you're old, very right. So, but Donald Trump's obviously
a very well defined person as well. Now we I think one of the
things I probably got under his skin was one that you know, somebody dared
do that segment laure Ingram, that dared do that segment with setting polls.
But second, I mean I pointed out that there's a there's a math problem
for Donald Trump, which is he got forty six point one I think percent
of the vote in twenty sixteen. Um, Hillary got more, but he
won the electoral college, which is important, essential, and so he won
the And one of the reasons that I think he won is Hillary didn't excite
the black vote very strongly. She a lot of people decided to stay home.
Moderate voters either went for Donald Trump sometimes or decided to stay home.
Hillary Clinton didn't attract them. Some liberals who didn't like Hillary didn't actually think
there's any shot that Donald Trump is going to become president, so they didn't
vote. But that basically means that since since his term, his four years,
which I think we're a great and very successful four years as president,
and generally speaking his four years, he went through that all the crap from
the media, all the lies, all the basic attempt at coup from our
intel agencies, and then kind of wrapped it up nicely with that debacle on
January six, that riot. That forty six point one is his ceiling.
He's not going to get higher than that. Everything is solidified. He's a
known entity. He's about as old as Joe Biden, significantly more energetic,
but he shares a lot of the weaknesses that the Joe Biden shares. So
we pointed that out, which I'm sure annoys him because he thinks he's going
to be president again. He might very well be the nominee again, but
I'm very doubtful he'll be very doubtful. Who knows, maybe something will happen,
doubtful he'll be president again. And really, the only polls the matter
right now or New Hampshire and Iowa at least a Donald Trump and around to
Santis, and Trump is gaining on De Santis or not gaining out. He's
getting ground over to Santis. De Santis has been losing a shift of shares
of that vote in the polls. Granted, Donald Trump has a six year
advantage, he's not just six months. He's been campaign. He's been campaigning
for six years over round to Santis, so that's got something. He's got
that, but he's also got a rock solid, faithful following that are going
to stick with Hi wherever. He's extremely entertaining. The lines are out the
door when he goes to Iowa and New Hampshire, still really anywhere. But
he's never run against see things I could play in a round to Santas's flay
favor. A few things are. Trump's never run against someone who's in his
lane. He ran against a bunch of Iraq War pro Iraq or Wall Street
corporatist Republicans who had no idea what to do with this WWE wrestler who had
suddenly entered the ring and been like, all the stuff is garbage. And
the American people know that the Santus is still literally the only populace aside from
him who's running for president. He's actually the rest of them because Republicans are
so stupid, like Nikki Haley and Tim Scott are just time machines to twenty
twelve, no one's really taken that queue of like we need to run maybe
in a different laneus with the voters want so he's never faced that. He's
probably never had somebody really come in from his right, at least as a
way as work. Maybe we wouldn't call right post twenty sixteen on abortion,
on a couple of other things. Someone who's like, no, you didn't.
You said you'd build a wall, but it's not done. And somebody
executes like someone who comes at him from the right and hits those accomplishments that'll
be new. And also at this point, and I mean this is this
is different because these people are undefined. But a couple of months before Iowa,
Ben Carson was in the league, like it was one, they blamed
Twitter for him losing. I don't think anybody. I didn't see anyone at
the Iowa cox is checking Ted Cruise's Twitter account to find out if they should
vote or not. So I don't think that I did anything to it,
but there's a lot that could change. Those are the only polls that matter.
Anyways, Trump saw it and he chimped out. I was gonna say,
you just monologued for like I wasn't watching the clock, but it was.
It was sorry if it him on. No, it was all interesting
because I feel like you've had some time thinking about I mean, it's it's
it's so strange when the former president of the United States is reacting to your
appearance on television. You've been doing these fairly regular kind of electoral segments in
front of usually my thoughts, well, highly successful are very respected author personals.
So but anyway, um, I want to ask how he posts on
truth social basically saying Fox News is destroyed its ratings or something because of the
anti Trump segment and whatever. But I want to ask how you think the
roll out yesterday of the de Santis campaign launch, which was eventful to say
the very least, how that affects everything you just described, the sort of
electoral dynamics that you just described. For anybody who didn't listen on Twitter last
night or hasn't I caught the coverage. Likewise, I thought I was twenty
minutes late, so I was bringing the boy home from school, and it
told out I was just on time. You were even a little early.
We end up presidential speech starting twenty minutes Late's actually pretty good. Yeah,
actually, you know that's not a bad point. But Elon Musk was hosting
a Twitter space to launch as the launch of the de Santis presidential campaign that
was moderated by David Sacks, and Musk was sort of part of it was
actually kind of confusing what the structure is. Was supposed to be moderated by
Sachs, and then Elon was supposed to be interviewing de Santis, but the
moderator slash interviewer. I guess breakdown is sort of a strange one to begin
with. It was ultimately mostly moderated by Sachs and Elon answered some questions and
weighed in in some places, but it was it and so they they had
questions from Chris Ruffo, Thomas Massey, our friend Dana lash Um asked some
questions of the of the governor and before that though, the sort of meme
that came to life immediately, Um, there were several hundred thousand people trying
to listen to the spaces and that's um, if you're not on Twitter,
it's like a live podcast almost. It was first Twitter space. Yeah,
I've used it very rarely. I've never spoken on one. But basically you
have a couple of people speaking and you can see who's listening to it.
You see how many people are listening to it, and it's live audio,
um and so Elon was going to launch the Santist campaign. This way,
people get on Elon Musk's Twitter space and it's a little late, but then
keeps crashing for about a half an hour because they said they were trying to
get this is what their claim is, that they needed more server space.
And I suppose it makes sense that, you know, Twitter's infrastructure is maybe
at this point not built for spaces that big, because I've never seen a
space that big. Maybe they've existed, but several hundred thousand people, while
you know, not like I said, it was by far the biggest I've
ever had. I believe that because you know, it's not the size of
Tucker Carlson's Fox News audiences for sure, but several hundred thousand people when they
haven't had that before, I can imagine would be glitchy, and indeed it
was. So they finally get it working on David Texas Twitter account, They've
got, you know, several hundred thousand people listening. I think it varied
between a couple hundred thousand and six hundred thousand. Every time that I had
to reboot the page, you kept getting kicked out of the Space. If
you were listening to it, it would crash. You'd have to go and
reload it. Then it would crash again. For a certain amount of time,
there was weird elevator music, and then you could hear them actually trying
to figure it out, like you would just hear sort of segments of them
trying to figure it out when the audio would have saw that Like Sex twenty.
It was bizarre and it didn't work the first five times I collect it,
and then a suddenly work. Yeah, it was cool, and then
it stuck around. As soon as you get to the Sacks Space feed,
it was it was doing all right. But Chris, to your point about
these dynamics, there have been a lot of I think interesting and constructive criticisms
of the decision to launch on Twitter with Elon Musk and David Sacks, and
that this is like a very online campaign and the very online capital V capitol
O Lane is not really that big. Some people said, you could have
done a launch where every network would have forced would have been forced to cut
to it live with your family and this image, and then he went right
to Trey Goudy Show on Fox News and he's doing I think some Radio Stuff
Today with Dana and Gardy Denmark Levin and some other places. But some of
those criticisms are really interesting to me. I don't think that it was nearly
as disastrous as everybody says it was, because at all, the voter has
a short memory. It's just a thing. I mean. So, yeah,
it was annoying, and I think that the biggest negative impact that it
had was it caused a audibly frustrated governor to kind of rattle through his opening
remarks like he was like, clearly he just wanted to get through it.
He had a bunch of things to do, and he read it, and
it was clearly he was reading he was reading it too quickly, and it
was opening remarks. I was sitting everything like this kind of sounds like a
robot call. This is not great. But then what ended up being great
and I think was extremely helpful to him was the interview section. Granted,
it wasn't like a very hostile interview. There was some pro Trump people in
there and some Protestantis people in there, where I don't really I didn't really
detect any like anti conservative voices, but they asked him a lot of the
questions that are about things that are going to be brought up fairly immediately.
Your war with Disney, What is the book banning? Explain this fight?
Explain that fight. What would you do different? What's the Florida way.
Let's talk about the COVID thing. Let's talk about the censorship. They talked
about things that were helpful to him, and they talked about things that I
gave him an opportunity to clear things up to start off in his speech on
the record kind of an apologetic slash defense of his policies and where he's been
attacked. I mean, it's worth keeping in mind that there's really no such
thing. It's like a good presidential launch. There's very few in history.
Agree. You don't remember day in front of was that attacking? Who did
in front of the Statue of Liberty? I don't even remember. I don't
remember. Sorry I could be wrong on that, But there's this big launch
in front of the Statue of Liberty in the campaign was bankrupted. Like two
weeks you got the Tim Scott video, which I guess you get to play
some smooth video on the news segments in the days afterwards of this Time Traveler
from twenty twelve explaining what the GOP is. I mean, Donald Trump's was
fun in twenty sixteen where he came down the Golden Escalator to Rocking in the
Free World and there was a bunch of people who'd been paid to be there
and he didn't care and he just went off about immigration. But he was
panned for that. At the time, I thought it was great. I
thought it was an intentional dig against Jeff Bush because Rocking in the Free World
is an anti hw Bush song. But it turns out this is like one
of the early lessons about Donald Trump the liberals learned the hard way. There's
like no actual deep meaning to any of the music he plays. It's just
stuff he likes, just things he looks. It's like I think there's some
angeloid Webber in there. It's just it's awesome. It's just stuff opps iPod
iPod. So there was a lot of like as much as the technical glitches
were annoying, as much as like I'm almost definitely gonna have to talk about
it and segments or whatever coming up. People who are going on and on
about it on Twitter are like kind of stupid, Hut, what the American
people care about? This is a really important point because again I assume some
of our listeners are blessed enough not to be on Twitter regularly, and Twitter
there has been this developing war between Team to Santis and Team Trump. We're
both have these I essentially would call them influencers. Some of it, of
course, is organic. There are people with you know, somewhat of a
profile, use Twitter very heavily and really like either to Santis or Trump for
this nomination contest, and feel very strongly about why one of them is better
than the other and should be the nominee and should be the president. Again,
it has gotten incredibly tribal, it has gotten incredibly nasty, and I
think it's important, Chris, for us to both say, by the way,
that we are not on any team here. Um, I don't have
a team in the presidential primary. I have ideas that I think are important.
You're the same way. But I have priorities I think are important.
But I don't think either of us in The bad news is that this Republic
probably isn't going to be saved by a president. Yeah, and then you
know there's a case, you know that one person and would push the country
onto a better track or the other person would to be made, and people
are able to make those cases. And it's our job as journalists to suss
out what's factual and correct and true from what's not and to make fun of
things that are not true. I mean, as I got off, like
this doesn't really matter that much beyond the pundit class. But he said he
was going to run a campaign on being more efficient and what and Twitter gletched
and so what also, and there's other things like Donald Trump is going to
use this attack and he put out a great Jeff afterwards, Jeff, Yeah,
Giff. Also, the clanking you're hearing in the background is our fearless
leader Molly Hemingway. Lacking deference to the podcast, but yeah, I mean,
so, Jeff is technically how the creator says, you say it,
But as a culture, we've rejected that and come to the consensus that is
better pronounced as gifts, so only old people say, Jeff, okay,
go on, cruncher, creamy, crunchy, are you kidding? Good for
you? Trump put out a good gift of one of Elon Musk's rocketships fallen
over and exploding, and that was like pretty funny. But if I was
Donald Trump, like my land of attack on Rondo, Sanus is not Twitter
glitched. I mean, she's literally the CEO of a garbage social media network
that's completely falling apart and now you can barely get frail and doesn't page spills.
So that's fair. It's like the guy who runs true social can't be
like you've got glitches in your technology. I do think this is a fair
point, though, that there are people in conservative media and just sort of
in conservative circles in general, that because Twitter, in particular Twitter, but
social media in general, these products are so addictive and so damaging to our
ability to interact with each other as human beings, our ability to litigate political
questions in a healthier sense. Given all of the like naturally human flaws we
are already built in the problem. Social media exacerbates them and makes them worse.
And so people falling into these camps and fighting like this on Twitter makes
both of their candidates look bad. And it's a great like touch grass moment,
Like these are like great red flags like go outside touch grass being normal,
And it's just it's unfortunate to me to see some of that starting to
influence the Republican presidential primary, because basically one thing that everyone agrees on who
would potentially be voting in a Republican presidential primary is that the media itself is
way too insular, and I think making some of those same mistakes is not
healthy for the conservative movement. Yeah, well, what do you What did
you think of it? So the Santis, as you said, started with
a scripted speech. It sounded like when a high school debate kid is reading
their like opening statement, like you don't really want to be doing this,
you just want to get to the fun part. I thought it touched on
some like pretty good substantive priorities that no other candidate other than Trump probably would
touch on. To your point about them being in the same lane, but
I thought he really shined in the back and forth questions between Yeah, he
did great, He did great there, I mean, had some excellent explanations
and defense and very coherent I think, I think correct defenses of against allegations
of book banning or bullying Disney that we get from weekneed Republicans, did you
see Elon Musk started to interrupt it. He said, I was actually under
the impression that some books were being banned. So this is news to me
when Ron Santas explained exactly why there aren't actual book bands. Yeah, they
either used the term bookman, but it's not actually the case of what's going
on. That's fine. I've used the term bookman probably described when books are
I think there was an author who was attacked in Portland if during during a
signing and by Antifa, and then the bookstore stopped carrying them, and when
Amazon stops carrying books. I've called it the book band. So I get
that you can throw it around, but they're using it intentionally lie about the
sort of thing that was great. There's some interesting stuff like the send is
obviously trying to get back into the normal normy Republican lane on foreign policy.
He but he's trying to and then also trying not to, you know what
I mean, Like he's trying to not go too far right. And then
everyone's like Marco Rubio is like, oh no, I mean, there are
there are two pillars which America stands Israel in Ukraine, and there's like a
few segment of the GUP that really thinks that. So he had to do
some damage control after after saying maybe this Ukraine thing is kind of a mess.
And you saw him last night and want to end his interviews on Tucker's
old show saying, yeah, by the way, the problem with Ukraine is
the military's woke, and as a veteran, we need to fix politics in
the military. So like he completely deflected that he spent last weekend at a
Guepe evangelical conference shining up his bona fides a bona fides on Israel, he's
kind of doing a little bit more of the normal thing, which goes to
open him up. Just you know. I actually I think that the GOP
is like very soundly and that's voters very soundly with Israel, and that not
less so on Ukraine. But there's ape about to Donald Trump, who's kind
of famous for saying foreign policy is bs about the blob is completely full of
it. I was trying to find um Molly's question. Molly actually asked the
government question after the launch on a call Um and I've so she hasked a
really good question specifically about Ukraine, and it just again to me, it
sounds it was on a press call afterwards, and Um it seemed to me
as though it's he knows that there's a that's kind of a risk aversion,
and I don't know that that's entirely wise right now in the primary, and
obviously what you do in the primary effects what you do in the general um.
But it's it's one thing that's difficult for me to assess is what his
strategy is and what he actually believes, Whereas like with a lot of candidates
and tell you know what the strategy is and what they probably actually believe.
I, honest to goodness, don't know what the strategy is and I don't
know what he actually believes. In the Ukraine question, well, he's gonna
family have to define himself a little more clearly, and that domestic politics is
obviously gonna be the most important thing that we have going. It's not like
those American soldiers currently in Ukraine, Uh, well, they're all there in
a voluntary basis. It's obviously going to be the domestic things where he's gonna
lie. He's gonna have to get in order. I mean, the reports
I've heard from people who are definitely have a disposition towards liking to Senis was
that his disorganization and the amount of people who felt like the head authority and
would wield it in Iowa. Of his pre campaign was similar to the chaos
around Romney Ryan in twenty twelve, and like everybody was in charge and everybody
was super protective and things just weren't getting done. So he's gonna have it's
going to be a learning curve to go from having run to statewide campau,
you know, two campaigns for governor in Florida to having to run now nationally
to take that team he's been building in Florida, and he's been building this
now for three two or three years. Essentially the I'm going to run for
President team, which rubbed a lot of people in Florida the wrong way,
but I think could have been generally the right thing to bring in just top
talent, regardless of where they are from, moved to Florida become part of
it. He's gonna have to actually see if that army he's been drilling is
going to be capable of executing because he's got a lot. As we talked
about in this lor Ingram's segment that Trump lost his mind over was the only
thing that matters is Iowa New Hampshire. I mean they get to South Carolina,
You've got two homegrown candidates. I mean, I actually don't think that
South Carolinians really love Nikki Haley anymore. It also means they're splitting the vote
though in South Carolina, which is an impossible equation for either of them.
They can just hope to do better in a plurality. And this is a
broader problem for the candidates. And this is part of Trump's math problem,
but it's also part of DeSantis's math problem. And it's why I think someone
liked Tim Scott despite you know, all of the political class basically laughing at
them, laughing at him, except for the people who are maybe making money
off him, are saying eat it. I'm gonna wait in the wings here.
Because the plurality is so, if you have Donald Trump, with a
hardened thirty percent of the electorate love Donald Trump, that's the guy and nobody
else. And that's for some really understandable reasons, like why would you if
you like Donald Trump because he's not a politician, why would you then swap
him out for any of these other people who are actual politicians. So it's
entirely reasonable people who stick with Donald Trump. But if that's thirty percent of
the electorate and Ronda Santis peels away, you know, another thirty percent,
maybe then you have everyone else splitting that lane with Ronda Santis. So in
the sense that Trump and De Santis are the two post Trump candidates in the
race, and I mean that in the sense like these are the two people
who have reflected and responded to the earthquake, the ideological earthquake of the Trump
sidency, one obviously Donald Trump, and the others ROUNDA Santis in substantive ways
where they're willing to talk about as round De Santis talked about on the on
the Twitter space yesterday, the FBI, what does Tim Scott kind of do
like it to actually reigned in the fact that the FBI the CIA were like
bringing an election. Um, I haven't heard a word from Tim Scott about
that. I don't know. You never will be a fine vice president.
So but that is that this is a math problem right for both De Santis
and Trump, which is that if you can't really move the needle past that
you're all racing for. Um, you know, it's not a two person
race like it was with Hillary and Bernie and and that's an interesting question.
So that's where De Santis thinks he can get both because he did this in
Florida, right, It was he barely wins that governor's race, just wins
it by a hair. Nobody has visions here Barack Obama. Yes, it
turned out to not actually the future of Barack Obama. Yes, And so
again, Florida's historically a purple state. Nobody has visions of grandeur for Ronda
Santis whatsoever. But he comes in and as a very thoughtful governor that puts
his money where his mouth is. First of all, his mouth is in
a place where a lot of politicians won't go, which is he's willing to
talk about some of these post Trump issues that he has understood are importance to
the electorate. And he does it and matches it with substantive legislation, which
is not something that Republicans are used to seeing from their leadership and from elected
politicians. And that ends up we spent the last year doing it ends up
not just being popular with the Trump voters, but it is also turns out
to be popular with those sort of suburban voters that Trump has never been able
to get. But the question is can your math work when you're in a
race against Trump? And so you're necessarily going to lose some of those Trump
voters, especially when you're forced to talk about Donald Trump's faults and why people
should vote for you over him, well, getting enough people from those other
factions, you know, the sort of suburban voters yard math, when you're
also splitting that with other candidates. Granted, I don't know how high that
Tim's got Nikki Hilly ceiling is, but you're also splitting I think it's going
to be a very hard trek. I mean, I think it was probably
the correct move to go now, strike while the iron's hot. Don't be
Chris Christie who waits around another four years. The country's kind of tired of
you and then runs when people are already annoyed, like that's not the way
to go to senus And he basically had to decide He's like, all right,
well, my time to get in the best time to get in the
ring is right now. But there is like a giant ogre with the club
in the ring who's very dangerous and because voters have made me popular, yeah,
and has the potential to define people like the long term political presidential aspirations.
Damage he did to Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. It's huge to Jeb
Bush. Is his future on anything like to Jeb Bush where he could be
like on the board of the university. I guess they have to think about
that and see if he's actually able to fight back and clap back and be
tough on that, and I think that there's a future. The thing is
Trump's significantly harder on De Senis, and Trump's voters are like very few diehards
girl or diehard Trump supporters who hate de Senis. They exist mostly on Twitter
probably, and they're all attacking to Santis from the left. By the way,
yeah, abortion on things like that, on the legislative agenda that De
Santis put down in Florida to basically run on and supposed to just running down
a party platform. He enacted it in a state and now he's going to
run Yeah. And to see these absolute weak need people from Nicki Haley to
Mike Pence, Foreverel's coming out there and saying, well, you lost money
to a Disney deal that had nothing to do with anything. But I mean,
it's it's there. They're showing their own rears more than they're actually hitting
his. He had a fantastic answer to the Disney question that I think was
posed by David Sacks and the Twitter yesterday, which was basically like, no,
he made Disney more money than I did when I opened them, and
Disneyland was closed in California because of California's insane COVID policies, and he said
they are going after children, and yeah, I think Gavin Knewsom took note
of that. He's definitely gonna be like, well, Disney's got a home
here in California, are you over there? And it's like, yeah,
I will give this to Gavin Knewsom. Though at least he did shut down
the Grimmars for two years. He kept them away from the Gainst for two
years. Yeah, so there's obviously there's one of the lessons I think the
political class should have internalized from twenty sixteen but obviously did not, was humility
and then like you really really really don't know where things go. I've heard
that sort of from the camp of people who seem to have long shot bids,
because frankly, that vote is going to be split up in so many
different ways. I think that's the Tim Scott tryed to sort of wait in
the wings and when one of the campaign's self destructs. For JFK Jr.
I got our Yeah, JK Junior is not running for president unless you're quing
one. And you think you still out there and could mount a bid.
And no, that happened right now near my parents. We could see the
search. That's right, you're a mass whole. Yeah, don't say that
on the air. You really are compliment me. You said you said much
worse on the air. But I've been getting better. I think it's because
you have a kid in the house now. Yeah, it's really rehabilitating your
edge. When I was like, why why is Ron Sanna's speaking so quickly
in this speech, Like why is you rattling through it? Sarah said,
imagine your frustration if you had a twenty in a technical glitch for anything,
forget about launching your presidential bid. She's like, I think that you might
have an andros of a die. Just spiral. You spiral so fast with
technology. Well, people don't realize in the back of right head, there's
like this pressure cooker that's going off and often so it just looks calm and
it seems like a really sudden explosion, but it's it's been building for a
while. Yeah, it was great when you got the iPad so you could
like touch the screen. Well here's well, we're we're will close actually on
that scripted opening, because I think the worst thing Round DeSantis could do is
have this sort of ride the fence approach to questions like Ukraine that are still
maybe up in the air because you have suburban voters different than Republican populist voters.
And the best example to the contrary is Ronald Reagan, who actually a
lot of people didn't agree with the full Reagan platform, but he always he
has this line. I think this is a seat pack speech, like an
original seapack speech. He says bold colors, not pale pastels, And there's
an electoral brilliance to that in that voters just need to trust you. They
don't need to fully agree with you, and they need to trust that you're
being authentic. And I think DeSantis has really both Trump and Desantas have really
benefited from the bold colors not pale pastel's approach. To be careful because everyone
who wants to question these kind of blog mentalities just lost their loudest spokesman.
Well maybe I mean for a little while. Yeah, but that's okay.
I mean, I really think right now. You know, there's that Harvard
Harris poll that came out this week that showed the majority of Americans don't believe
the Hunter Biden laptop was disinformation. They don't believe that Trump colluded with Russia,
and that the hooker's pete on the bed, etc. Etc. And
that's you know, good news and bad news, and that they still found,
you know, some forty one percent of the country saw the Hunter Biden
laptop as disinformation. They believed it was disinformation. The media's power is still
vast and egregious. It's waning quickly, but it's still egregious and it's still
very, very influential. But when you have the majority of the country now
getting news from other sources and sort of being able to penetrate the fact that
every or the reality that every single institution in the country, mainstream institution in
the country is telling you is true. The intel community, the media,
the government, it's all saying one thing, and you actually believe the contrary
to the tune of six out of ten voters. That's great. So I
do think there's there's power in that for Republicans. This cycle. But the
worst thing that you can do, I think, is to be a fence
writer on some of those important questions. And if ron De Santis believes,
um, you know, sort of what the direction that the Heritage Foundation has
gone and has undergone this process of I think, really thoughtfully reconsidering some of
our foreign policy, our tech policy, if he can go along with that,
and if he really believes that there are some serious questions about our Ukraine
policy, he should freaking say it because it'll be electorally beneficial. Even if
the suburban voters who have Ukraine flags in their yard are turned off by it.
They have different priorities when they go to vote, for the most part,
and what they want to believe is that he's not just a usual politician.
They can trust him. No offence writing and no pointing with your thumb,
No pointing with your thumb. That bothers you, It drives me.
It's Clint, It's Clinton. It's like no, it's like Trump did to
pointing with your thumb, what Barack Obama did to ties, what Kennedy did
the hats. It's just kind of like he's gone, you look stupid.
Now, I notice you're not wearing a tie. I'll be wearing a tyler.
Why for formal events, like you're going to a formal Oh, you
are going to a formal m that's right. You're taking a train, which
you always have to put a tie on for the trains. Baark. I'm
not an animal. One of our bitterest disagreements is over casual wear on Transita.
I would call it bandwaarcy. All right, well, I can tell
that Chris is getting antsy. He must have something going on in his iPad
that he'd rather I will wrap it up. You've been listening to another edition
of The Federalist Radio Hour Emilijasinski, joined today by Christopher Bedford. Chris,
thanks for thanks for coming. Always great. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well
we'll be back as soon with more. Until then, be lovers of freedom
and anxious for the fray th