WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.879 Welcome to another episode of the Nonprofits. You know. It seems like the 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:07.759 governor down in Florida, mister DeSantis has always got some problem or another, 3 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:11.320 and apparently he has another one that Jimmy Junior is going to tell us all 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:16.359 about. Yes, that is right, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has a beef 5 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:22.879 with the cultivated meat industry, one that is misdirected and disingenuous as he attempts 6 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:28.199 to appeal to his far right base by creating this boogeyman out of a nearly 7 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:35.159 non existent and fledgling industry. DeSantis insists that the global elite have a world 8 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:40.240 domination plan to force feed lab grown beef to people in order to achieve their 9 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:45.679 goals, while he also chides liberals for their environmental concerns. This disjointed and 10 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:52.079 completely unnecessary argument ignores the actual causes for the decline in beef production, such 11 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:56.079 as drought, production costs, and of course, the long term impacts of 12 00:00:56.119 --> 00:01:02.359 COVID. Is DeSantis really ignoring facts and instead creating a conspiracy theory as a 13 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:06.879 catalyst for his politics. You don't say. This story is from USA Today 14 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:11.040 by Anna Gonyi Lesson Dan Roarba and Mike Snyder on May fifth, twenty twenty 15 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:15.799 four. Now, Cynthia, do you think DeSantis' motivations, what do you 16 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.879 think is motivations are in doing this? Well, I don't necessarily think that 17 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.959 he is very much so concerned about Floridians or protecting the beef industry. I 18 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:32.799 think that he's more so just trying to basically utilize this as a narrative that 19 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:34.840 he wants to push. You know, the thing about it is, like 20 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:38.920 Jimmy Appley pointed out, is that, you know, the meat industry in 21 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:45.480 himself is a fledging industry for various reasons, right COVID. There's also other 22 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:49.359 concerns about you know, methane. As far as I beat this concerned, 23 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:55.000 there's also like issues like with you know, environmental protection and also protection of 24 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.439 the animals themselves. So, you know, introducing this as an alternative to 25 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:05.519 people who are using it and want to actually indulge in it or what have 26 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.319 you is something that he's one to use is basically another way for him to 27 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:14.000 virtual signal for his marriage. And unfortunately, this is what desantists does. 28 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:19.479 He always picks apart some type of issue blows it up. That's non secuitor 29 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:23.159 and makes it, you know, part of his particular ideology to push on 30 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.520 other people in order to say like, look at me, Mike is right, 31 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.000 and I'm going to push this on here. And here's another thing that 32 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.159 you should be concerned about that you really should be concerned about. I mean, 33 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:35.960 when you're talking about anything that's growing in the lab, there's always going 34 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.719 to be concerns, right, There's always going to be concerns about, you 35 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:42.960 know, the methodologies that are being used, if the product itself is going 36 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:46.240 to be safe for human consumption, et cetera, et cetera. But we 37 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.520 have a lot of different agencies, including the FDA, that are supposed to 38 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:52.879 evaluate those particular things, not Ron Desanti. That's time I checked. I 39 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:57.319 know that he's Harvard and Yale educated, but he was law, and he 40 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.360 was educated in law, not in science. And he needs to go ahead 41 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:05.919 and lead us alone to the people who are actually educated in this manner because 42 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:10.159 it's mad. Jimmy. In your introduction you mentioned a conspiracy like the Santa's 43 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:14.319 Building a conspiracy theory. Can you elaborate on that for me? Well? 44 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:21.080 Sure, you know, I think he's straw manning the arguments against this cultivated 45 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:27.000 meat and really kind of creating this false narrative. You know, that is 46 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.520 attractive to people because it's easy to understand, and it makes a boogeyman. 47 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:37.120 It points the finger and blames somebody that stand and start contrast to their ideologies. 48 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.680 And he's doing that to the working class people of Florida, the people 49 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:45.919 who make up a large percentage of the beef industry, not just in that 50 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:50.479 state, but in the country. And you know, it's kind of easy 51 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:55.800 to just present other people as the problem, especially if they're threatening your own 52 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:00.840 livelihood. It's a lot harder to educate people on, you know, the 53 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:08.319 pros and cons of meat, cultivation of meat substitutes, or the science that 54 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:13.159 is supported by or excuse me, the climate change issues that are supported by 55 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:17.800 science, and why it's important to maybe alter our behaviors in order to improve 56 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:24.040 that situation. So, yeah, creating the conspiracy theory. I give him 57 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:28.079 credit for it because I've never heard it before, but you know, it's 58 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.360 all the same. He's taking it and he's using it as a talking point 59 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:36.399 rather than doing what doing the real work, rather than getting smart on the 60 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:43.040 issue and coming up with a real solution. Yeah, Eli, human feeding 61 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:47.839 habits of change over time? Is that true? Yeah? So I looked 62 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:53.759 at that this is a really really innovative way for us to harvest food. 63 00:04:53.920 --> 00:05:00.399 And if you look back through the human timeline the hominid timeline to be more, 64 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:08.720 one of the stronger hypotheses is that what allowed earliest humans to develop the 65 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:13.000 larger brains that then led to more learning and more tools and more developments is 66 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.959 the use of fire to cook meat, and then the way that the energy 67 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.920 that we needed to use to digest that meat we no longer needed, so 68 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.720 that energy could go to building a bigger brain or using that brand to do 69 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:29.920 things. And then we started to innovate, and then we started agriculture, 70 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:32.480 and then we started that's when we got society and civilization. So when you 71 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:40.639 look back innovations and harvesting food and basically gathering energy from the world right the 72 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:45.639 energy that we need in our lives, those events, I almost want to 73 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:50.759 say precipitate massive changes and massive advances and human ability. Is that to say 74 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:55.319 that lab grown meat, you know, from stem cells, is going to 75 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:59.439 change the world. Probably not, But I think if there is a person 76 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:05.879 that would oppose the utilization of an invention that would change the world. It's 77 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:11.920 the meatball, the lab grown meatball himself, Ronda Santis. So you just 78 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:16.399 see this as just another step in human food evolution basically, it absolutely I 79 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:20.000 mean, this is insane. You know five well, okay, five years 80 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:21.920 ago, ten years ago, we could have seen this coming, right, 81 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.920 But like I think when I was born thirty years ago, thirty two years 82 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:29.160 ago, I don't think this would have been thought of. Nobody would have 83 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:32.680 seen this coming. And now these industries, as we've said, are still 84 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:38.720 working toward that goal. But we're going to be able to produce food way 85 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:42.120 more efficiently than we already can. That can only be good. Yeah, 86 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:46.800 Cynthia, you mentioned to me before the show that you thought this debate over 87 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.839 lab grown meat was more about ideology and identity. Can you expand on that 88 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:56.120 for us? Yeah? I think that, you know, Rhonda Santis specifically 89 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:00.160 took this particular issue and he is virtually signaling so that he can appeal to 90 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:05.560 his political bait. You know, he's in Florida, and in most areas 91 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:13.079 like Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, you have a large areas of 92 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.639 agricul right, and so he is looking at basically, oh, well, 93 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.800 you know, farmers are going to be my political bait. Right. So 94 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:23.839 since he's looking at farmers being his political base, I'm going to go ahead 95 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:30.160 and choose this particular issue of labgiral meat to say this is bad because it's 96 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:34.720 going to target you and put you out of business because instead of you cultivating 97 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:41.959 animals and plant and plant life from your farms, they're going to be going 98 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:47.759 to science instead. And what he's missing is that we have over seven billion 99 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:54.920 people in this world and one of the largest issues around the world is hunger. 100 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:59.240 I mean, we can point to several countries right now in twenty twenty 101 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:03.959 four that are facing fam and having multiple food sources in order to feed people 102 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:07.959 I think is a good thing, right. And the more that we have 103 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.800 more people being born into the world, the more that you're going to have 104 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:13.639 to be able to feed them. And even one of the things that the 105 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.399 articles pointed out is that even people who are considered vegan, even though that 106 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.800 they're using animal cell so it's not necessarily labor, is not considered vegan per 107 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.800 se, they're still open to try it. Right, So I think that 108 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.120 you know, being able to actually put resources into this research is a good 109 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.279 thing. But again, it just always seems like that Ron the meathead. 110 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:43.559 I mean, I'm sorry. Ron DeSantis is always quintine or to some type 111 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.960 of issues in order to make sure that his base feels good, but it 112 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.879 doesn't always pan out to be a good thing itself. Yeah, I agree, 113 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.840 I agree. I think he's taken a lot of stances on a lot 114 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.240 of different things that are really kind of holding us back in a lot of 115 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.480 ways. I don't want to say too much against him or in favor of 116 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.840 him, but I do kind of question some of his ideas. Now, 117 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.399 Jimmy, do you have you talked about a little bit, what are your 118 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.440 viable concerns about the CO two build up? Well, I mean, an 119 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.480 excess of carbon dioxide we know is not good. I'm no expert on that 120 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.840 kind of thing, but I do defer to the experts, and you know, 121 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.120 many of them agree that while we need CO two, we don't need 122 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.639 an excess amount of it. It's a greenhouse gas that is bad. You 123 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:35.240 know, the agriculture industry makes up thirty five percent of greenhouse gases, and 124 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:41.240 seventeen percent of that that's worldwide. Seventeen percent of that comes from the raising 125 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.080 of livestock and using a fertilizers to create certain plants that these livestock eat. 126 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:48.639 You know, if there were a way to reduce that, I don't see 127 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.159 how that could be a bad thing. I mean, he Ron DeSantis is 128 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.879 claiming that they need to invest in local farmers and ranchers and save our beef. 129 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.320 Save your beef from what I mean, your beef is not a jeopardy. 130 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:05.759 In fact, the industry is in decline since COVID, and the reason 131 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:11.679 why it's not restoring is that we are suffering massive droughts in certain parts of 132 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.279 the country, certainly around the world. And you know, the beef production, 133 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.240 the beef industry has not not been restored. It might be improving, 134 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.120 but it has not been restored. And it's not because there's some kind of 135 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:31.120 alternative meat out there. It's because climate change is affecting the way the predictable 136 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.240 weather patterns that these farmers rely on to be able to maintain their livelihood and 137 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:39.679 to raise their stock. You know, fixing that would actually be a better 138 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:43.240 investment for farmers and ranchers. But you know, I think anybody that has 139 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:48.360 any concern for the planet and for our ecosystem should be concerned about the levels 140 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.080 of greenhouse gases and should want to find ways to reduce them. I mean, 141 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:58.120 I'm probably driving my last non hybrid car. I mean, I drive 142 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.720 a gas a gas vehicle that's probably gonna be the last one I ever drive. 143 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.240 I'll be moving on. I you know, I would move on for 144 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:11.159 other ways to make this planet a better place. And so for Ron DeSantis 145 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:16.360 to claim something that is just false just goes to show that he is trying 146 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.360 to panther to a base that just doesn't get it, and he doesn't want 147 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.799 them to get it because that would be bad for him. Yeah, I 148 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.000 agree, Eli, do you think you know? I don't want to say 149 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:30.960 that, I don't want to question his motives, But do you think there's 150 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:35.759 a rational reason for DeSantis to make this move? I mean, if all 151 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.440 you're thinking of it is from his perspective of, oh, what are the 152 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:41.639 farmers going to do? They're gonna lose so much money, then sure, 153 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.840 But I think not, Like, I really don't think there is. Just 154 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:52.080 like Jimmy was saying earlier, like this whole conspiracy to make people eat meat 155 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.159 grown in a Petri dish. Bugs is something I've never heard of before. 156 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.399 And he's talking about fighting back against the global elite. Ron de Santis is 157 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:03.879 the global elat He thinks that if he keeps like pushing this US versus Them 158 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.919 narrative, then enough of his constituents are going to buy it. And he's 159 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:11.360 right. So many of them have forgotten that he is them that they are 160 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.120 need to be dealing with. And I was actually thinking while you were making 161 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.200 your points, Jimmy, is that I have a solution, Like I thought 162 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.120 of a solution while reading this. The land that farmers no longer need to 163 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:30.799 use for their livestock, they can rent out to these facilities that are using 164 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:35.559 their are that are growing this meat. And from the article you know this 165 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:43.399 or no, sorry, the International Journal of Life Cycle Assessment predicts that within 166 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.960 but that over time will the lab grown meat will reduce carbon footprint by ninety 167 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.399 two percent, reduce land use by ninety percent, which means farmers can get 168 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:58.320 more benefit. We can get more meat per unit of land than we already 169 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.559 are, and reduce water use by sixty six percent. There's so many good 170 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:07.559 reasons to not oppose this, and it doesn't have to affect the farmers that 171 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:09.720 way, because now they have that land that they can use to they can 172 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.559 still use that, they can still benefit from that land. They're not losing 173 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:18.480 and some farmers can even still raise animal, you know, animals because they 174 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.240 still needed to lab grow the beef. They still need the stem cells from 175 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.799 the animals, So there's it's not going to wipe out all farm jobs. 176 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.440 I think maybe we just need to make the transition from being a rancher to 177 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.879 a farmer right, and I think that that's probably the big move there. 178 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.679 Cynthia, I, you mentioned some concerns that you had about lab grown meat 179 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.879 just in passing earlier. Do you have Can you tell us more about that 180 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:46.840 and what your concerns are. Well, not necessarily me per se having concerns 181 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.440 about lab grown meat, but you know, there are like some concern from 182 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:56.639 people who are actually looking at this. That's saying that there's some uncertainty about 183 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:01.919 the long term implications. And also, you know, even though it's actually 184 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:09.360 talting to be environmentally friendly and also ethically alternative to traditional meat production, the 185 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.960 issue is that you know, it's being sourced from you know, animal self, 186 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:18.919 and and it's also and also like when it comes to like some of 187 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.799 the conclusions on what type of implications that has, we still don't have all 188 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:28.039 the data to actually port it. So it's still very much so a science 189 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.039 that's being developed right now. But what science is not right? So, 190 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:37.000 you know, I think that when we're talking about any of these particular issues 191 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.519 that have to deal with you know, you know, scientific type of methods 192 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.000 in order for them to produce certain products, there's always going to be in 193 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.960 uncertainty when you may not necessarily have all the information at hand, but you 194 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.600 know, those things happen to develop over time. The only way that you're 195 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:58.120 actually going to be able to get that information is if you devote resources in 196 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.679 order to develop the technology to do it. You know, he Desantists himself 197 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.200 wants to stop that completely because he says, this is not viable, it's 198 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.440 uncertain, it's going to put people out of it's going to put farmers out 199 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.320 of business, et cetera, et cetera. We want we don't want it, 200 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.000 right, But again it's a it's against and it's against and also balking 201 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.519 against technology, balking against anything that you don't necessarily know a lot about. 202 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:26.679 So it's at this biguer point in time, like we can address uncertainty with 203 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.279 information, and the only way that you can actually get information is let the 204 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.080 scientists do their jobs. Thank you for saying that. As a scientist, 205 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:41.039 Thank you for freaking saying that. I appreciate that. Jimmy, we no 206 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.679 problem. Jimmy, we came into that. You brought us into this segment. 207 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.759 I want to hear some more from you on and give us some more 208 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.399 thoughts. Yeah, well, Ron DeSantis can't actually appear on the side of 209 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.399 science and research, can he. I mean, that would be akin to 210 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.399 switching parties. You know, there are other benefits that come from the stem 211 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:03.960 cell rese search that transcend the meat industry, transcend the beef for the cultivated 212 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:08.279 meat industry, and go into the medical field, perhaps, uh, you 213 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:12.639 know, helping people in a you know, a variety of capacities. But 214 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:19.720 that is a long standing opposition that that members on the Christian right, uh 215 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.960 or or conservative right typically have, you know, they they take a position 216 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:30.039 where people shouldn't play God, people shouldn't you know, experiment with animals. 217 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.080 I guess I don't know, probably not, probably not so much the latter. 218 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.919 But but but the former. You know, for DeSantis to appear as 219 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:44.039 supporting research, supporting science, he would almost be you know, supporting education, 220 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:48.039 which is something that many of his constituents quite frankly, just don't have. 221 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.200 And I don't mean that to be, you know, to be so 222 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:55.039 harsh or or I'm not trying to be facetious, but you know, let's 223 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.840 face it. You know, there is a certain demographic, uh that that 224 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:03.720 fall into the around the Santis category, and you know, America the world 225 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.839 needs those kind of people. But we also need to be honest with ourselves 226 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:14.720 and talk about the benefits to science, to research, and to maybe alternating 227 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:19.240 the way or altering the way that we operate in some of these industries that 228 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:23.440 are actually causing harm to our planet. But you know, there is another 229 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:30.039 very very popular conservative who once said, boy do we love the uneducated? 230 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:34.319 And it appears that DeSantis may also, Yeah, I agree with that, 231 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:38.039 that you'd have to be uneducated to really follow for this, in my opinion, 232 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.559 what do you think about that? Eli, Do you think that this 233 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.079 is appealing to the uneducated? Oh? Yeah, I mean yeah, absolutely, 234 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.720 anytime anytime you have a candidate or not a candidate necessarily, but a 235 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:56.119 person who is just outright publicly like saying like the science is lying, the 236 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.960 science is wrong, and that's Jimmy made a great point that they're always talking 237 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.960 about, you know, we're playing God, and I think that thought is 238 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:08.440 dangerous toward advancement because if you start to put limits on what you're allowed to 239 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:15.079 do, then you stop doing certain things like you can. I've been telling 240 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.240 people like there's no rules to life, like just leave other people alone and 241 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.079 then basically do whatever you want. So once we start putting limits on that, 242 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:29.200 we limit our advancement. I can't really have that was well thought out. 243 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.119 I appreciate that, and I really appreciate Cynthia's shout out to leaving it 244 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.480 to the scientists, because I think it's really important that a lot of scientists 245 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.160 are really trying to build a better future. And when you start creating this 246 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:47.440 anti science movement that we're seeing in our country to the USA today, it's 247 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:52.799 really affecting the possibility of making a better future. And I think that's probably 248 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.400 the worst thing I see happening with this in my eyes anyway, that we're 249 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:03.720 actually stopping advancement. So I really appreciate the panel today. I think we 250 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.680 had a great talk about this, and I think if you'd like to, 251 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:11.720 our viewers would like to have to talk about a little bit more. You 252 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:17.000 can leave a comment below or drop an email to nonprofits at Atheist Typhoncommunity dot org.