WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:20.800 Hello listeners, and welcome to a special Wrestle Magic branded nostalgia episode here on 2 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:26.160 a WWE podcast, a Decade in Review covering the first decade of the twenty 3 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:31.199 first century. I'm here with my partner Michael Gross. As you know, 4 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:35.640 it's me Rocky Tea and we are just going to dive right in. Michael, 5 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.000 I know you have something that you want to share with us before we 6 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:40.920 get into our topic, which I'll get more in depth in a second, 7 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:44.759 but first say hello, up to everybody and tell us what's on your mind. 8 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:47.320 Hey, folks, I hope you're rock and roll and have a good 9 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:50.719 time out there. So you know, my nickname is the Gardener. I 10 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.719 spent all day in the garden. I have the worst farmers tand actually I 11 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:56.679 should say the worst farmer sunburn in the world. For here in Louisville. 12 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.280 If you put butter on my show or blaze right now, it would melt 13 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:03.760 and we we can have a nice steak. But I want to talk about 14 00:01:03.760 --> 00:01:07.120 something real quick. Usually at the end of the episodes we talk about a 15 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:11.079 book or a movie or something that we can reference to make people's lives better. 16 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:18.280 Okay, and I want to recommend a book to a lot of people 17 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:22.000 out there. I want you to know that no matter what your worst day 18 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:26.680 in life is, that is somebody else's best day. So the book I 19 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.920 want to recommend is A Man Search for Meeting by Victor Frankel. And here's 20 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.760 a couple of reasons why. One I'm Jewish. Two it's about a Nazi 21 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:42.280 Holocaust survivor three you don't know what the power of life is until you can 22 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:48.799 save someone's or help somebody's. And suggesting this book to the woman I love 23 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.560 is what got the woman I love to start talking to me. And that's 24 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:56.840 how Jennifer and I fell in love. This book is one of the most 25 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.799 most powerful pieces I've ever seen in my life or read in my life, 26 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:04.439 and actually have intertwined in my life to say, wow, like this is 27 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.840 a real memoir of a man put in a concentration camp and refuse to go 28 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:12.879 on a death march because he was a doctor and said, these are his 29 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.159 patients, and he rather die with his patients than die walking to death. 30 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:24.479 And by that he saved a lot of lives, and by that he saved 31 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:30.520 a lot of souls, and he felt his true meaning life. And now 32 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.080 I know that's a weird way to start out a wrestling podcast, but folks, 33 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:37.639 you need to understand something. You need to go out there and reach 34 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:39.680 out to somebody. I know I sound like Dusty Rhodes on net right now, 35 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:45.520 but the fact is, life is beautiful. Now Rocky knows this. 36 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:46.800 A lot of people don't know this, but I've been going through a lot 37 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.680 of counseling myself for a lot of trauma and things that I've had in my 38 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:54.280 past, and it's okay. It is okay to have these problems in your 39 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:58.919 life, but it's even better to address them and take care of it. 40 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.240 This is true. If you're out there and you're having problems, it's gonna 41 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:08.680 be all right. It's going to be all right. You just have to 42 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:12.599 get help, and it's okay to get help, and it's not embarrassing to 43 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:17.639 get help. But reading something this powerful and understanding how powerful something like a 44 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:23.599 book like this is, you'll never realize again in your life, your bad 45 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:29.360 day is somebody's best day. Times ten. Now, with that being said, 46 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.879 Rocky, how you been, buddy? We are well? Say I'm 47 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:38.639 good, but my city has been recovering. I had a tornado come through 48 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:46.439 here all over town, and it tore up the upper north side, northwest 49 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:51.000 side of town. We're still about two hundred and fifty thousand people without power. 50 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:53.719 Jeez, we were lucky, I mean, miss rockets here were very 51 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.919 lucky out here on the southeast side of town, you know, on the 52 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:01.639 outskirts of town. I'm about twenty five minutes from downtown, and we lost 53 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:04.479 power for like a minute, right. I still don't have any hot water, 54 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:08.080 but we have running water, so we're very thankful. But a lot 55 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:12.319 of people my job got shut down for two days without power, so mainly 56 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.480 all of downtown was you know, out for the whole for the whole weekend. 57 00:04:15.959 --> 00:04:21.839 And there's there's still a chunk of downtown that's out, just over a 58 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:27.279 dozen blocks that are still without power. And we're hearing that a lot of 59 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.399 people in like the Spring area way up north, they they may be without 60 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:34.720 power for a few months because of some of the sources that were torn down 61 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:40.639 over there. So we are into recovery mode. Good time. How's mama 62 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:45.120 to doing? Uh, very well. We're just you know, day by 63 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.920 day, school and working and you know, making the best of everything. 64 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.720 Man. Like, you know, we're in a better place we've ever been. 65 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:56.680 And uh, we're just we're growing. Just keep on growing, man. 66 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:01.360 This collection we're growing, are you know, school's growing, work, 67 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:05.319 everything, client based. It's been really good for us. It's okay if 68 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.600 I call her Mama t because I don't have a mom anymore, so I 69 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:13.480 need one. Yeah, you know, she's it's a day by day process 70 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.759 really with her. So but you know, so far, so good. 71 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:23.399 But it's going to get into why we're here real quick. The short answer, 72 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:28.439 when did you start listening to the podcast? So I got turned on 73 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:36.319 to wwepodcast dot com probably around twenty eighteen. Honestly my Twitter feed, Matt 74 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:41.639 had put up that he needed people to write articles for the website, and 75 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.879 I think I've told people the story, but it's a real quick brief story. 76 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.240 I started writing some articles for him. The first one I wrote was 77 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:54.120 on Lars Sullivan and he thought it was brilliant. And then I said, 78 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:56.279 if I can get you an article it gets over a thousand views, going 79 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.759 to be on the show, And he was like, sure, try And 80 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:01.759 the next one I did was on UK wrestling and I was close to twenty 81 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:09.120 nineteen and we got seventeen hundred views on that I just I marketed all over 82 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:13.000 and I mean I had so many views it was unreal. And so the 83 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:16.360 next thing I know, Matt was like, okay, all right, like 84 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.920 we'll work with you. So and then he took a risk on me, 85 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:24.839 which was really awesome. And so's that's how I got turned on to what 86 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.040 About You, buddy. So it was about four and a half years ago. 87 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.800 I really had a bad car accident and I was recovering and I was 88 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:35.079 at home and I was just watching the network all day long. I had 89 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:39.360 watched every documentary, I watched everything. I was tired of watching wrestling for 90 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:43.879 a second. Didn't have any other friends to talk with about it. So 91 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.199 I was like, let me find a wrestling podcast. Literally went to iHeartRadio, 92 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:51.040 typed in WWE podcast, saw the first thing that came up, which 93 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:56.639 was Matt's podcast, opened it up, started listening. I don't remember what 94 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:59.839 the first show I heard was, but I do remember what I look forward 95 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:02.519 to was the nice thousand shows because he would, you know, talk from 96 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:06.319 a certain time period from the past, which with the sound clips and everything 97 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:09.680 and the way he puts it together, just that's what I look forward to 98 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:13.959 before he had the mailback. So last week or a week and a half 99 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:18.240 ago, he reposted the Top ten Moments or what you know, his picks 100 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:23.800 of the twenty tenths, and I got inspired from that. And then coincidentally, 101 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:28.120 you and Maverick put out the episode of nineties Wrestling Rabble. Yes, 102 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.879 so that let out all happened within like two days. So I texted Matt 103 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.279 and I go, have you started on it or do you have plans to 104 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:39.839 do the first you know, the first decade of the twenty first century. 105 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.160 He goes, I thought about it, but I haven't done it, and 106 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.480 I asked him if we could have it, and he gave him the green 107 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.839 light. So here we are. So basically what's gonna happen now is we're 108 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:54.160 gonna cover two thousand and two thousand and nine, because, like I said, 109 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:58.160 you Maverick covered the nineties up until you know, the two thousand and 110 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.600 then Matt started with twenty ten. Now, this is not gonna be like 111 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:05.399 a top ten. This is very objective to our opinions, what we think 112 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.959 and actually basically what I picked, and this episode is actually going to be 113 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:18.079 inspired by the Samsung Galaxy ultral twenty four for the reason of the AI features. 114 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:24.720 So instead of asking you or anybody, hey, what was your top 115 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.480 moments of these first ten years of the twenty first century? Or going on 116 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:33.200 YouTube and looking at the top ten lists, I opened up chat GPT, 117 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.200 the AI app and asked it what are the most significant events year by year? 118 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.639 And it pulled up some and so we're gonna go off of what the 119 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.960 what the AI totals was most significant? By the way, can you hook 120 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.600 me up with one of those ultra twenty fours my friends? I know upgrade? 121 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.159 Yeah? You know, you know I can. You know I can't. 122 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.960 I got I got everybody who's who's ready? So anybody that's in Houston 123 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.320 listening, I'm in downtown just you know. You know. One thing that 124 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.600 we need to do that we've been meaning to do is tell our people where 125 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:07.320 to find us at the beginning of the show instead of the end of the 126 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.639 show, because we ramble so much, I'm sure they tune out at the 127 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:15.039 end. So real quick, Rocket teas there zero seven on the X and 128 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:22.960 then for you it's yeah, right at one, thank you. We always 129 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.440 forget, we always forget. So I was like, let's get that in 130 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:28.519 the in the beginning, so we all can we also really quickly talk about 131 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.759 some of the irons and the fire that we have with our little private group 132 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.639 for Wrestle Magic. Let's recap and let everybody know what's going to be coming 133 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.039 out the rest of the year, because we're already almost halfway through the year. 134 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.279 Okay, So we have some surprise guest hosts that are going to be 135 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:48.200 with us, Okay, folks, some retired wrestlers, and we're not going 136 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.759 to spoil their names because things can come up and we don't want to put 137 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:52.440 a time on on something that could be screwed up. But we do have 138 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.960 a lot of really cool interviews that we're kind of putting through. We also 139 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:03.000 have a somewhat famous semi retired wrestler that Maverick and I are working on. 140 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.200 Mister Michael Patrick is actually working on a project for little people in wrestling, 141 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:15.399 a forgotten art of wrestling from yesteryear. So I'm kind of curious to see 142 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.879 what he puts together for that. That's gonna be fun. I think it's 143 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:20.200 gonna be a really fun episode. To be honest with him. I think 144 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.360 I'm gonna work with him on that one, just because you know, co 145 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:31.480 hosting is always a lot of fun and just knowing how to really base everything, 146 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:33.279 you know. Just I think we're gonna have a lot of fun with 147 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.200 that episode. I really really do. And if we can get some of 148 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.960 the people we want from the micro Wrestling Federation to chip in some interviews, 149 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.639 I think this is gonna be awesome. So that's what we got going on. 150 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.159 Guys, we have a lot of irons in the fire. It's we're 151 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.639 all very responsible adults. I'm almost fifty. Rock he's an older man. 152 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.519 You know, my brother's older. Maverick is in the UK defending the country. 153 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.840 You know, we're Memphis. Mark is Memphis Mark, and he's older 154 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:03.240 than me, and he's he's living a life. We all have lives, 155 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.559 folks, and like a lot of people say that they missed uh you know, 156 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.799 mister and missus casual wrestling fan things. Guess life comes up, So 157 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.600 respect us for that. But we are going to create some content. We're 158 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:18.159 gonna pump it out. We're gonna pump and pump out content and we're gonna 159 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.639 have fun with it. So let's have some fun. Are you ready? 160 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:26.679 I am ready. So two things that I want to just bring up real 161 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.200 quick from the year nineteen ninety nine. That was something that was significant for 162 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.679 me when I really saw the change, so we you know, we're already 163 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:39.759 deep into the Monday Night Wars. And significant enough for me was if somebody 164 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.240 jumped ship right because I was young when Hogan jumped to w CW, and 165 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.639 then when Holler and Nash went for me, I was like, it was 166 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.879 ninety six, so I'm well six, I'm like eight years old, so 167 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.679 it was like whatever to me. By the time ninety nine comes, you 168 00:11:54.720 --> 00:12:00.840 know, I'm already twelve years old. I'm going to thirteen. And the 169 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:05.519 christ Jericho debut, Oh my gosh. It was significant for me as goofy 170 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.320 as he looked, I mean, and I actually just rewatched his debut a 171 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.679 couple of days ago, and I was I was captivated the way he is 172 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:18.000 on the mic and how he works the crowd. And I had seen his 173 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:20.399 work a little bit on WW because I would flip to the Tonight troil during 174 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:26.080 commercials when I would have watched raw as a young kid, and Monday Monday 175 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.960 Night was the only night I was allowed to stay up to ten, so 176 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:33.679 I was allowed to watch wrestling if I could stay Away, but the Jericho 177 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.440 jump and actually, uh well, Big Show had jumped first in February earlier 178 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:43.240 that year. So those two debuts were very significant for me going into the 179 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.679 year two thousand because that's when the sink was you know, I mean the 180 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.399 ship was sinking to the fullest over at ws W And of course you know 181 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.279 we have to buy out, which we're going to cover in a minute. 182 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:58.639 But when where do you remember where you were when those happened? Because we 183 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:05.519 know Paul Paul White Big Show debut in February at the Saint Same Valentine's Da 184 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:09.320 Masacer in Memphis, Tennessee, at the Pyramid, which was located half not 185 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.000 even half a mile from my old house on Mudd Island. Wow, my 186 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.200 old, my old, my old apartment. But I didn't live there at 187 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.679 the time. I lived in San Diego, Okay. So the Gardener's done 188 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.679 a lot growing up. Like I said, I'm almost fifty years old. 189 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.399 If any girl asked him, thirty five, except don't tell that to Jennifer 190 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.320 now. Honestly, what it comes down to was these were big jumps. 191 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:33.440 Now, Paul White, as far as the Big Show jumping, it didn't 192 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.039 mean as much as Jericho. People knew Jericho was going to go. In 193 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:43.200 fact, Jericho was off WW television for many months, but he did house 194 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:48.320 shows and he would say crazy things at house shows without breaking the rules too 195 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:52.480 much to get sued out. In his book, Jericho talks about he got 196 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.639 ribbed when he made his debut. They told him not to look at the 197 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:00.000 camera, to always look away. That's why when you watch his day, 198 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.600 he's always looking down or looking at a weird angle. They told him to 199 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.360 be the exact same goofy Chris Jericho, which was I think Pat Patterson and 200 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:13.799 Jerry Brisco did that to him knowing the events would hate it. Turns out 201 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:18.320 it's regarded as the best debut of all time. Now as falls, Paul 202 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:24.480 Whites goes with, you know, Saint Valentine's Day massacre. I mean the 203 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.519 guy's seven foot six or seven foot four. I mean, the guy's a 204 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.679 massive monster, you know, coming out throwing stone cold through a cage and 205 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.480 everything else. I get it. However, his his debut fell flat. 206 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.080 It's just the fact that they had the name, they had who he was. 207 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.559 Now you could tell they were doing the favors on their way getting out 208 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:46.879 of WW. More Paul White than or The Big Show. I should say 209 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.480 then Chris Jericho, because Jericho was just taking off TV. They didn't see 210 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.440 him as marketable and they didn't see him putting over people as very important because 211 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.440 they didn't see him as the guy who would become the first unified world champion. 212 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.879 As far as Big Sho went, he put over like DDP quite a 213 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:07.399 bit. He put over Goldberg, he put over I mean, I have 214 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.679 every big name sting you name it, you know, and they just had 215 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:15.279 him kind of flounder around and uh lose a lot to Kevin Nash. So 216 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.799 his his debut was a lot of rebuild the character. How do we rebuild 217 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:22.320 this? How do we make this guy monster? How do we make people 218 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.440 reinvest in care? And a real quick note, do you know what his 219 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:31.879 original nickname was? Because it wasn't The Big Show. I love I've heard 220 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:37.720 it tens of times. I don't remember the Big Nasty, the Big the 221 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:45.399 Big Nasty. That's Shane McMahon introduced him as the Big Nasty. But and 222 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:50.519 this is no this is storied and legend. McDonald's didn't like it because it 223 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.480 sounded too close to the Big Tasty. Oh my good. The thing was 224 00:15:54.519 --> 00:16:00.360 not tasty at all. What did everybody call the Big Tasty the Big Nasty 225 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:07.200 exactly? So something was worked out and he became the big show. There's 226 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:11.080 a little bit of history lesson for the day. As far as like WWE, 227 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.679 Vince McMahon turned people into shape. If he told you the sky was 228 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.200 purple, after three weeks, you believe the sky was purple and you never 229 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:23.000 knew it was blue. That's what Vince McMahon did. And ww fans and 230 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:26.320 I hate to say it, folks, a lot of you are out there 231 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.879 listening to this. It's true. You believe anything he says. So with 232 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:36.519 that being said, though, that was you know, the defections were a 233 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:42.159 big, big thing. And that year Chris Jericho's was rated even though it 234 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:45.080 was goofy, and if you look back at it, he did everything they 235 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:51.720 told him to do. He has the best debut of all time. Yeah, 236 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:56.759 that was great. So moving on to two thousand, A few things 237 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:03.480 happened there, and again we're asking chat Shept what's most significant, and I'm 238 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.839 going based off of some of my memory as well. A few things happened. 239 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:14.119 We had the first ever four way elimination match, for the WA title 240 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.599 at Wrestmating in two thousand or also known as Wrestmating sixteen. First time that's 241 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.440 happened, TNA was founded, Nick Foley retired for the first time. But 242 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:32.319 going back to the debuts, well, it was another significance which I when 243 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:37.359 I knew WWE or WWF was winning or going to win the Monday Night Wars 244 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.680 because by that time I understood what was going on. Is when the radicals 245 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:47.279 debuted Chris van Wall, Eddie Guerrero, Perry Saturn and Dean Malinko. When 246 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:51.039 I saw those four gentlemen sitting in the audience, that's like, that's when 247 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:52.880 that was. That was the marker for me when I knew it's a matter 248 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:59.160 of time before the ww is just done right. So I know you that 249 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:03.160 was significant for you as well because you watch a lot more ww than I 250 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:04.680 did. I knew the names, I knew there were technical I knew that 251 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:08.160 could high fly. But I was a WA kid through and through it still 252 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:15.000 am right. So that was one of the biggest moves I've ever seen to 253 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.519 let four of your workhorses go. And it's funny like they talk about the 254 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:22.559 whole Eddie Graham or Mike Graham and Crispin Wahs story. First of all, 255 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.680 the following one, Crispin Waugh. That's why I'll always say that he was 256 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:29.839 one of my favorite performers ever. But what he did is in excuse mele 257 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.079 That's why I'm always going to refer to him as the follow one. Okay, 258 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.880 So with that being said, the follow one goes to Mike Graham. 259 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.799 Mike Graham says, well, something along the lines of, well, we're 260 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:42.200 gonna give you the title, We're gonna take it away from you. And 261 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.039 if it was me, I put your head on a stick then while played 262 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.000 it up. Okay, and all these people like, oh, Mike Graham 263 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.279 was like fifty, but he could have taken Ben Wah, Yeah, right 264 00:18:52.000 --> 00:19:00.240 right, keep believing that. And so that was a conduit to negotiate ate 265 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.799 the releases of all of them. But they also negotiated Conan's release, Shane 266 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.039 Douglas, Shane Douglas's release, but it didn't work out right, and they 267 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:14.720 weren't wanted elsewhere. Now, these guys in two Days were in WWF and 268 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.680 I remember there was a site scoops back then, it was called just scoops 269 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:22.240 dot com, and they gave you all the wrestling information. It was ran 270 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:25.839 by a man named Al Or the man they call Al Actually this is what 271 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:30.799 his moniker was, and he knew a lot of people backstage and in the 272 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:36.119 wrestling business. And he had said that like a hotel was booked with all 273 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:42.759 their names in it, and legend has it. Brusso read that told it 274 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:48.319 to Shane Douglas, and Shane Douglas then called Dean Malenko and asked, Malenko, 275 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.599 are you there? Malenko said no, And then he called the hotel 276 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:59.799 and asked Dean Malenko or asked if Dean Malenko's alter ego name was checked in, 277 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.480 said yes, And that's how Shane Douglas knew that he was left behind. 278 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:07.960 But the debut was amazing, and of course they did it with ECW 279 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:14.079 alumni Al snow in the audience or wrestling, I mean, everybody was e 280 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:18.319 CW. It was a perfect moment. You couldn't have had more perfect moment. 281 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.880 But I've talked about this on the show before, is the fact that 282 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:23.920 they all showed up. They were all kind of like, you know, 283 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:27.920 gritty in the audience kind of made their own little rumbling. It was the 284 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:33.000 next week when they had matches. But the other thing about when they had 285 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:38.200 those matches is Perry Saturn was a student of Killer Kowalski, who was also 286 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:44.680 the mentor of Triple Ah, and he looked at him and said, why 287 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:48.279 are you guys wearing these street clothes. You're professionals. And the very next 288 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:52.519 show they all showed up in suits. And that was a big thing, 289 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:56.160 like them coming in wearing suits. And I remember reading that as a backstage 290 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.920 thing like on a dirt sheet, or it was actually on scoops and then 291 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.680 it was actually on Perry Saturn's website. I think Perry Saturn put it on 292 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.039 his website. He had a website. It was funny because he did his 293 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.880 own website and he misspelled stuff all the time. It was really funny, 294 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:15.680 but he did, he did, and still a lot of respect a man 295 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.920 who you know, took a gunshot to save a woman from getting you know, 296 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.200 hardcore art. Yeah, that's a man. That's a man, Perry 297 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:26.640 Saturn's man. So h yeah, that was that was a big one. 298 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:29.319 That was a huge one, and that that really turned the tide because you 299 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:33.480 had your your people that you wanted to watch as workhorses, so you take 300 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:37.599 that out. All you had left now was Ray Mysterio, Chavo, a 301 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:41.279 few other a handful, just a little jello bowl of of wrestlers. But 302 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:45.359 they had no charisma. They didn't have Crispin Wad wasn't a guy that you 303 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.839 watched interview, but you watched him wrestle. Oh yeah, yeah, so 304 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:55.079 and and and and Eddie Guerrero had a thing. Perry Saturn, like I 305 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:59.519 said, not an interview, but you watched him wrestle. Dean Malenko definitely 306 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.839 not a new but my god, could they wrestle. And if they wrestled 307 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:07.960 each other you got some of the best matches. It left you with basically 308 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:11.680 the only person holding together the mid card like glue with Steve Regal William Regal 309 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.200 as you know him now, who is an amazing wrestler. And that was 310 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.960 That was it. And when you rob people of the actual wrestling and you 311 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:27.160 had nothing but talking and goofiness, w W was on the downfall. They 312 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:33.000 sure were on the downfall, and leading into the year two thousand and one. 313 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:37.720 At the beginning of the year, the most dig different thing that happened 314 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.599 then the month was a Stone Cale winning the Rum before the third time the 315 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:45.920 only man to win in three times hits, the rescuing at seventeen and on 316 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:51.680 one and the Austin Hill turn is what it's even more significant about about that 317 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:56.960 night in the beginning of that year of April. So he wins the rumble, 318 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.680 it goes on. He does you know, has stated it in the 319 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:06.000 stunt Go Skull spoke Broken skulls that he's re great at doing it. He 320 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.119 wish he never did. He felt like he lost time doing that character. 321 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:12.960 We did get some good stuff with Angle and comedy stuff was great, but 322 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:17.839 you know, I guess it held us over. Where were you? How 323 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:21.759 do you feel about that when that happened. This is a very interesting question 324 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:23.039 because I was not a fan of kurd Angle when he first came out, 325 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:29.400 Okay, but about this time I started realizing this guy could work. And 326 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:34.319 what I've always been a big detractor for is anybody who gets to the mega 327 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:37.680 push right out the gate, and anybody it seems that comes up for n 328 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:41.640 XT is like unbeatable, unbeatable, unbeatable, And finally they could beat kurd 329 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.920 Angle had like a huge unbeatable streak. But if you look at first few 330 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.920 matches, they were sloppy. He got better. Every time he stepped in 331 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.319 the ring, he got better. Please, Kurtin, if you're listening, 332 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.680 this is a lot of a compliment coming to you, But I got to 333 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:57.319 talk to you about the way you came up. It was just the fact 334 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:03.000 that when he started, they just gave him this unbeaded streak against people like 335 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.200 Delo Brown, who was doing great in the ring and had charisma, and 336 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.720 he was really building a heat, a different heat, you know, he 337 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:18.079 went from channel changing heat to you wanted to see him get his ass beat. 338 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.480 But every time he stepped in the ring he got that much better, 339 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.200 and you're like, damn. And after a while you're like, this guy's 340 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.640 really good. And then after a while you're like this guy's really really good. 341 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.880 Then after a while you're like he can talk too. And then when 342 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:41.160 he split his character from goofy into the psychotic straight kurding, there was nobody 343 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.960 else to go against Austin. There was nobody else you could believe that could 344 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:49.720 take Austin out. Now they also say that turning Austin heel was the death 345 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:55.240 of the attitude era. Yeah. Yeah, everything that you built upon, 346 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:59.680 everything that you had and the one thing that you stood up for was now 347 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.880 dead flat. It was out in the water, laid the pasture, whatever 348 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:07.599 you want to call it. It's just gone. And so that was it 349 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:10.319 was a rough moment. But if there was one person to do it, 350 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.799 the son of a gun, it was Kurt Angle. It was it had 351 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.759 to be him. So that was that was. That was a difficult year 352 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:22.759 because then everything went into what they call was the new generation, the not 353 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.119 the PG era. Deer. Well, that's that's that's good. That's good. 354 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:33.759 Yeah, well you're a little ahead of yourself. So rounding out two 355 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.960 thousand and one with his rumble wind, he'll turn and running the gimmick for 356 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.640 the better part of two thousand and one. Another significant thing is March twenty 357 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.319 first of two thousand and one was the last night of Monday Night Night tro 358 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:53.119 and then at Vengeance in December of one is when they unified the titles. 359 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.960 They finally put over Chris Jericho. He beats the Rocks Center for the you 360 00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:03.000 know both in the same night. That closes out one. And then back 361 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:08.359 to your point about the attitude era dyed with Austin's Hill Turn. Two thousand 362 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:14.839 and two marks the beginning of the Ruther's Digression era. Yes, right, 363 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.920 So we have the Invasion angle involving the acquisitions from WCW and ECW leading to 364 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:29.000 the Invasion match and all the subquit matches from both promotions. So that's what 365 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:33.160 we get, and they all one of the beginning and then going into the 366 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:37.000 russ Digression era. The first significant thing that popped up for the Rusi Agression 367 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:42.799 era in two was Wrestlmingia eighteen. The Icon versus the Icon match Rock versus 368 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:48.799 Hogan essential another passing of the torch. So I don't know if it was 369 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.920 a passing a torch, but something that they definitely just needed to do. 370 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:57.319 Now the money on the table was Austin versus Hogan, right, Yeah, 371 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:02.680 Austin did not want to work with Hogan, and when you're you're the one 372 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:04.839 who calls the shots, you do what you want. He wanted to work 373 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:08.799 with I believe Scott Hall that night instead, and he wanted to actually have 374 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.640 a good match because he believed Hogan was a sloppy worker, which he is 375 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:21.279 right. But the Rock and Hogan put on a Hollywood match. They puffed 376 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:26.559 it up. They made a headlock that should last thirty seconds, be three 377 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.960 minutes and they made a lot of history. Now I believe that was in 378 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:37.359 Toronto, but am I not correct that one was. Yes, and Jericho 379 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:42.839 says in his book that he and he put over Triple h that night in 380 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.559 the headliner, but he said after that, he said the locker room was 381 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.920 empty. There was no going on after that match. Now that that was 382 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.559 an iconic match, I was glad the Rock went over because if you put 383 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:59.319 Hogan over, I probably would have burned the place down. But it was 384 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:04.079 definitely passing the torch. But the thing is, the fans were hungry because 385 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.200 they thought that they were gonna get Hogan Austin at some point down the road, 386 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:14.599 which they never got, and that maybe one of the biggest misses, 387 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.079 but that would have been I mean, their styles don't clash. I don't. 388 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:23.160 And with Hogan being you know, creative control or not wanting to put 389 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.359 guys over, he didn't want to put over some Michaels. There's many guys 390 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.920 he wouldn't want to put over, which he should have. I don't think 391 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:30.880 he would have wanted to put over Austin. He didn't want to put over 392 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.880 Brock. Actually no, I'm sorry not Brock. He did put over Brock 393 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:38.079 that somebody else I can't even you don't want to put over Brock. Good 394 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.920 luck? Sorry, yeah so, but that that probably wouldn't have been, 395 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:48.640 you know, best for business. But uh, speaking of Brock Brock Gay 396 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.599 Beauty. Two thousand and two, and a week after the Hogan and Rock 397 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.759 match, we get the WW brand extension. Now, this is very significant 398 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:03.160 as WW splits his roster two distinct brands Raw as SmackDown, leading to new 399 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:08.880 storylines, robberies and championships. Eventually we were start to get drafts and trades 400 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:14.519 and back and forth and them not given the damn whether we have a draft 401 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:21.519 or not. But that's when WW first did the brand extension. And what's 402 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:26.359 most I think what was actually the most significant thing is in two thousand and 403 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:33.599 two, World Wrestling Federation underwent a rebranding due to legal disputes with Worldwide Fund 404 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:38.400 for Nature over the initials of WWF. As a result, the company changed 405 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:44.720 the name to World Wrestling Entertainment WW as we know today, and this marked 406 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.559 the significant shift in the brand. While the company continued to operate it's entertainment 407 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:53.519 focused under the new ww name, so a lot happened just in those first 408 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.799 two years of twenty fourth century. Okay, so I hate both those movements, 409 00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.279 so I'm gonna tell you why. So, first of all, the 410 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:07.880 World Wildlife Fund was around a long time before WWF, which is now WWE. 411 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.880 It was originally WWWF. That's how they could co exist. What was 412 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:17.400 you know? And then that n when Vince Junior took over, he got 413 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:22.599 rid of one of the w's to become WWF. That's fine. The problem 414 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:29.759 was people were sending money to save pandas and such to Vince McMahon instead of 415 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:34.200 sending it to the World Wildlife Fund. That's how the big confusion and everything 416 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.039 really got. Everybody says Vince can't be beat in office. Yeah, ask 417 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.880 why it's WWE. Vince can be beat, all right, But that's interesting. 418 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:47.400 I didn't know about that, about them sitting the money. Yeah, 419 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:51.039 it's all kinds of goofy stuff that happened like that, And honestly, he 420 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:55.640 lost He lost that one. He straight up lost that. And so the 421 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.559 whole campaign was Get the f Out. The commercial with a guy getting a 422 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.519 haircut, right, and the first person to wear Get the f Out shirt 423 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:10.839 on air on Raw was Rob Van Dam and uh so that was it was 424 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:17.839 just okay entertainment like that, you cheapen the product by saying entertainment. Now, 425 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.000 some people speculate that the original idea was it was going to become World 426 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.319 Championship Wrestling WCW, but Vince burned his bridge so bad with that, with 427 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.039 the invasion and everything he screwed up. So let's talk about that for a 428 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.400 second. So Vince wins the war, WCW goes under all of a sudden, 429 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:37.880 he brings all these people in, but he only brings in undercard guys 430 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:45.359 that nobody cared about contract contracts. Nobody. There are so many people who 431 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.240 were under contract that could have wrestled, but they didn't. You didn't go 432 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:56.519 Goldberg, the nWo sting. No, you're getting undercard guys. The major 433 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.559 people you got were Booker t who is amazing and was amazing, will always 434 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:06.559 be amazing. Booker if you're listening, don't kick my ass, land Storm, 435 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.400 who's amazing, Mike Austome who's amazing. But people didn't care about names 436 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.720 like that. Booker was the only name they really had. DDP came in 437 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:16.640 later, which he was a hit and miss kind of guy. Because he 438 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.160 was so old. And that's nothing against him. Once again, DDP, 439 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:28.880 don't kick my ass. But you had some people came over that were marquee 440 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.160 names, but most of it wasn't. So you have the natural born thrillers, 441 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.079 and there was a lot of people that they were regenerating its new ideas 442 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.519 and they saw a different generation and them that was great, but they used 443 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.359 them as cannon fodder, so that whole thing didn't work. And then they 444 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.240 tried to add the ECW invasion into it, but a lot of the ECW 445 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:54.519 guys were already in WWE, So it's just turning on on your own people. 446 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:04.720 It's it's it's like trying to make trying to make stew, but you 447 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:09.119 use buttermilk as your base. It just doesn't work. So at the end 448 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:14.240 of it, the whole thing was slopped together and they were left kind of 449 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.599 holding a bag of marbles and there was no one to play a game against. 450 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.119 That's kind of what's screwed. Yeah, real quick, I'm just I'm 451 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:29.680 looking at the Survivor series poster here and on the WCW's last ECW team, 452 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:38.240 you have RVD, Seane McMahon, Booker, t Kurt Angle and Stone Coll 453 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.200 Steve Austin Stone Coach, your most w W guy You're ever gonna have for 454 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:50.559 the world, Kurt Angle's homegrown ww guy, Booker t representing WCW and Robin 455 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.319 That representing ECW on WWF's team, Kane, Undertaker, Big Show, Rock 456 00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:02.119 and Jericho, Kane Wressell as Bruiser Mestino and w CW in the nineties. 457 00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.280 Undertaker was me and Mark Challis in WCW in the nineties. Who else the 458 00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:12.039 Big Show? Big Show was of course the Giant in the nineties. Who 459 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.760 else This is hilarious Jericho, who came from who came from w c W 460 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:22.199 to Rock and sep It makes it makes sense. Well at the time it 461 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.280 made sense for me. I was like, Jericho and Big Show should turn 462 00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:30.480 on WWF and joined the w CW, and then you have Kurt and Austin 463 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.679 on the WFT. You know you would have thought that way, but they 464 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.119 just it was bad. Booking was sloppy writing, you know, like, 465 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:44.320 you know, me being slightly behind Jim Cornetta's number one podcaster for wrestlingy and 466 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:49.119 Louisville Smitch by a switch by a Smitch Ladies and gentlemen, Spice Midge, 467 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.199 I will tell you this, much like he's talked about stuff like this, 468 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.840 it was just lazy booking and it was sad. It was just they didn't 469 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:59.360 know what to do and they were just slopping it together to make WWF stars 470 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.480 w stars wherever you want to call him, go over and look better. 471 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.239 So that was that was a hell of a time for me as a kid. 472 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:15.039 It was still very exciting having Vince wind the ward little guys start to 473 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.159 jump one by one and then finally we get the nWo when finally we get 474 00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.480 Gobergin, you know, all that stuff finally comes out. So it was 475 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.960 it was still very exciting for me, something I thought I would never see. 476 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.719 But moving on towards towards the end of the year two thousand and two, 477 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.639 we would have the debut of the Elimination Chamber. Now, this is 478 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.679 something that was more special back in the day because it wasn't its own pay 479 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:45.199 per view. It was it was meant to settle number one contender or to 480 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.559 settle a championship match, and this first inaugurl the Animation Chamber match was won 481 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.119 by Shawn Michaels himself, where he captures his one and only world title after 482 00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:01.320 coming back from his back injury, and that something that was special for me 483 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:04.920 because he came back after, like I said, the four year injury, 484 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.039 and I never expected him to win. You know, it was a surprise. 485 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.519 He didn't hold the bell. He was a tresigtional champion, but I 486 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.400 believe it was necessary to re establish him as that showstopper. And then he 487 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:21.679 did put over the next talent in line, so that was a big deal 488 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.559 for me. Well, you know, Sean Shawn coming back, he did 489 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:29.719 the better work of his career on the back half, especially with the new 490 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:34.519 breed of people and her new breed of wrestler. You're Jericho's, your edges, 491 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.119 your and was the follow one. I mean all this was just so 492 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:44.159 much for him to work with, like marquee players. Also, I think 493 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.159 people knew at this point, Hey Sean, you're one hundred and eighty pounds. 494 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.360 If you smart off to me, I'll smack the hell out of you, 495 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.360 and I don't care who the hell you think you are. Backstage. 496 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.840 I mean, Triple H still had a lot of in his best friend, 497 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.360 you know, still had a lot of power, but he knew he'd get 498 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.119 his booty whipped if he got into it. So you know, he was 499 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.559 a little bit more. He was eating a little bit more humble pie. 500 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.880 Now, Elimination Chamber is one of my least favorite matches of all time, 501 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.199 and I'm gonna tell you why, because it's too gimmicky. It's too much 502 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:17.199 technology and goofyness. I remember the person who introduced the match was Eric Bischoff, 503 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.920 Oh somebody else for something that we're gonna talk about him any Byschop. 504 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.880 He did create it, that's right. He was the one who said he 505 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.719 created it. He was like, it's part this, part that, and 506 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.119 part of one of my favorites war games. And everybody went crazy. And 507 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:35.039 then when he said the whole premise of you're in a pod and then you 508 00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.599 get released, I'm like, this is too much goofy tech. I don't 509 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.559 like this. I've never liked elimination Chamber. I've always thought it was a 510 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:44.159 stupid gimmick. To be honest with you, I've never liked it. It's 511 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.440 just it's not wrestling that I grew up with. And people say you're outdated, 512 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.639 Michael. You know, well, I'll tell you what. Watch war 513 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:55.079 games from like eighty five, eighty six, and then watch an elimination chamber 514 00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:59.719 and tell me you want to see somebody huffing and puffing behind a piece of 515 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.360 player glass versus two guys bleeding their guts out. More games in eighty seven, 516 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.719 come on. So it just wasn't my thing. I never liked it. 517 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.079 Just too much gimmick, too much gimmick, too much goofiness, too 518 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.920 much tech. So but it was the birth you are right, and it 519 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:21.199 was introduced by Eric Bischoff. All right, all right, So two thousand 520 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.719 and three, we're, you know, ushering in the regression area more like 521 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:29.760 I said it was starting oh two, but all three. A few significant 522 00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.920 things that were brought up here on this list. Got the rise of Brock 523 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:37.000 Listener, the evolution Stable, we at, the debut of John Cena, 524 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:43.920 the brand extension, introduced the draft where we had the first draft between Ron 525 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:52.440 SmackDown but WrestleMania nineteen, two significant things happened. Now we know that it 526 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.039 was Austin's last match, yes, the third and final match the trilogy with 527 00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.079 the Rock. But I had quizzed you on this a while back, a 528 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.199 while back and asked you, who are the only two well, actually the 529 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:09.679 only two who were the first two wrestlers to headline a WrestleMania match using their 530 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:15.119 actual real names. Oh, son of a Fish, you always do this 531 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:22.400 to me, Well it was. It was the same WrestleMania nineteen, sameia 532 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:31.760 the headline, and they used their real names, Curtain Rock Lester. Yeah, 533 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.880 yeah, yeah, you always get me on that one. Yea. 534 00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.840 I always think Ric Flair. I don't know why I always think Ric Flair, 535 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.920 and it's that No, he never headline, so yeah, so yeah, 536 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.840 So I remember reading Austin's book, and I believe this was when he 537 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:51.960 was on so many payments. He could barely walk, he could barely stay 538 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.559 awake. He was drinking four parts to coffee a day. Uh, he 539 00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:00.000 was fainting and he just he couldn't function without the caffeine and the and and 540 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.239 he was at the hospital of the night before Mania and he was still, 541 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.639 you know, going through the match in his head and just did not literally 542 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.119 did not know if he was going to make it to too many of that 543 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:15.199 day and it was it was close, like we we as fans. If 544 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.559 he didn't read the book, it's because I don't think he's ever talked about 545 00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:24.440 it. He may have, but I remember reading it and he's I mean, 546 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:28.199 as fans, we don't know how close do we we were to not 547 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.280 get in that match. Like he literally went out there and put everything left 548 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.800 in the tank for that last match, to put over the Rock and to 549 00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.239 say goodbye. It was hard for him. You know, it's really interesting 550 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.039 that he did it for the Rock but not Triple Hitch. Just just just 551 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.960 just a little side note for people, because Triple H's Golden shovel. Shovel 552 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.440 is going to come out here soon within the next couple of years that we're 553 00:40:52.440 --> 00:41:00.400 talking about. So my friend keep leading. So let's see where was I 554 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.920 here? Just jump up to Let's go ahead, gaein to two thousand and 555 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:12.360 four. Two thousand and four, the return of Goldborg something that not everything 556 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.400 and not everything on this list is gonna be great. The return of gold 557 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:21.599 Worg was fun for the first speer. For me after that, I never 558 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.280 liked the guy. I never liked to style his enterring. He's not safe 559 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:30.440 worker. You got the Rise of Randy Orton two thousand and four, John 560 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.960 Cena and John Cena, Right, we're getting to him next, you know 561 00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:39.639 five, What he really takes off John Brachalle Feel becomes champion. He transforms 562 00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:45.679 to his character and has the longest ringing title ring in SmackDown history. And 563 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.840 then we had the evolution of the women's division that saw the beginning of the 564 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:57.400 shift towards a more serious and competitive women's division in WWE, with talents like 565 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.079 Tristiatis Leda and Mally Holly delivering stuf performances. I don't know if this would 566 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.280 be the actual evolution because it's not, but it's the start of it. 567 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:10.360 But this is what chat ChiPT brought up as significant events in four. Well, 568 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:20.639 you're you're forgetting something four. So what WrestleMania years that WrestleMania four, 569 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:27.760 It's gonna put a rest many a twenty exactly what happened that year Eddie and 570 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:34.559 Ben Wah exactly the Fallen One and Eddie had the biggest celebration at Madison Square 571 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.239 Garden I've ever seen in my life. I want to say, personally, 572 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.960 that's one of the out of my top five, my mount Rushmore, my 573 00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.800 top four, my top four moments in wrestling, that's one of them. 574 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:51.679 Because I was a huge fan of the Fallen One, because he was the 575 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.760 best inn ring worker in the world at that point, I don't care if 576 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.800 you went to Japan. I don't care if you went to Mexico. I 577 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.679 don't care if you went to Hell. I don't care if you went to 578 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:07.559 Heaven. There was no one better. And then what happened with him is 579 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:13.360 something else, but the fact that that match nobody believed he could win it. 580 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:19.119 And then to add the star power of both Triple H and HPK, 581 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.079 and at this point, Triple H has his golden shovel. So he's burying 582 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.960 everybody left and right. He buried Bubba, Ray Dudley, he buried I 583 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.599 mean, Rob Van Damn, you name it, he buried him, Caine, 584 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:31.920 Katie Vick. Hey, we talked about that one. Now we can. 585 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:42.599 Yeah, so let's talk about that was the greatest match of that year. 586 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:50.320 And then you had the greatest moment. Like I said, I still 587 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.159 I still believe he was one of the greatest workers. But I have no 588 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:58.239 respect for the man that's tried to leave it with the fallen one. All 589 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.000 right, so let's go ahead and push it on in two thousand and five, 590 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:06.880 there's more inventions come in two thousand and five. It's Chris Jericho pitched 591 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.000 the idea of the money in the bank. This came to fruition at WrestleMania 592 00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:15.400 twenty one, Edge becomes the first winner of the money in the Bank briefcase 593 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:22.800 uh winner for that and he goes on to cashing in the beginning of two 594 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:29.559 thousand and six. But before that happens, the rise of John Cena really 595 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.639 really took off. From five to six, johnsen Is ascent to the top 596 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:38.280 of we becoming the face of the company during this period. WrestleMania twenty one, 597 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:45.679 he wins the title from JBL. WrestleMania twenty two, he retains defeats 598 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.559 Triple H with a TapouT WrestleMania twenty three, where I'm like, there's no 599 00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.480 way, There's no way in hell he wins. He retains and defeats HBK 600 00:44:55.039 --> 00:45:02.440 via TapouT. That was the moment that HBK tap out was the moment that 601 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.719 I started to hate John Cena because he beat my two favorite wrestlers from my 602 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.400 childhood. He beat d X, he made them tap He blew my fuck, 603 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.960 he blew my mind. Sorry you almost you almost yea he And from 604 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:22.840 that day on, I was like just no. Then I believe that was 605 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.840 more of the start or early days of the PG area where it really really 606 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:32.760 came out. But that the PG era, let me let me cut you 607 00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:36.400 off for a second. Okay, the PG era was different because they had 608 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.559 to find people to build around. Now you had to have the ultimate evil 609 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.880 Randy or Randy Orton. And look, people say that, you know, 610 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:51.199 it's big match John. They don't realize that Orton puts in just as much 611 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:55.719 work. The difference is Orton doesn't just have a big match, He does 612 00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:01.719 it every damn night. Orton is that And like I was saying on podcasts, 613 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:05.639 like a couple of years ago, Randy's tired. Randy's old. Remember 614 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.239 before he got injured, how shriveled he was looking, and how tired he 615 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:15.079 looked. The guy put in twenty years without stopping. He just didn't stop. 616 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.519 Give the guy a break, Let him have a breath. Let go 617 00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.519 to catering. You did a couple of twinkies and relax, man, you 618 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:27.000 need that. I think the eighteen months he was out that that time was 619 00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:31.400 the longest, right. It seemed it seemed like an eternity when Randy was 620 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.519 gone, Because Randy is a utility. He is a utility that you can 621 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.719 build anything around at any time, especially in main event and Marquis matchup, 622 00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.360 and they knew that. They knew that when they had him at a young 623 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:49.079 age, and so you know, there was actually like four guys they wanted 624 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.480 to build around at that point. Okay, so it was Sina Orton, 625 00:46:53.320 --> 00:47:10.400 This next one's gonna surprise you Renee Duprie heah, and Carlito Carlo's debuts. 626 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:15.199 His his debut on Raw and spack Down. He both beat John Cena for 627 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:22.239 a title. All those gears going right now in your head, yes they 628 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:28.480 are, uh, you're sure right, Yeah, you got to realize that 629 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:35.519 Carlito is incredibly talented and he just but he his dad owns the last territory, 630 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:37.519 which is something that Memphis Market and I are going to cover. There's 631 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:43.440 one territory left, guys. It's Puerto Rico's We're Wrestling Console and it's still 632 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.400 down there and it's owned by his father. And so if he didn't like 633 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:50.960 what w w F was doing or w w he just wouldn't play ball. 634 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:52.679 He'd just go back down to Puerto Rico and make his money with his dad. 635 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:58.400 That's why he never got to the main event status because if he didn't 636 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.920 like his booking, he was like, screw you, I can still make 637 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:09.840 my dad's money down here. It's the only territory left. That's funny. 638 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.239 So yeah, those were the four people. Now Renee dupri First of all, 639 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:21.639 he wasn't gonna take off. And this is not being a sexist thing 640 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:27.199 calling even though it's French Canadian. I think it was a play on the 641 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:36.320 fact that I believe Andre the giants real name was Renee. You couldn't make 642 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:39.480 this guy believable to fight his way out of a wet paper bag. There's 643 00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:44.159 nothing they knew. He was like twenty. He couldn't even buy a beer. 644 00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:49.920 I think he said some of his shoot interviews, and he was just 645 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.800 he was. I saw nothing in him, to be honest with you, 646 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.679 they just saw a twenty year old. They're like, yeah, he'll be 647 00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.679 the future. We can have him around forever now, Carlito, Yes, 648 00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.280 he has talent, he had, he hit everything. They just wanted him 649 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:05.719 to be somebody he wasn't. If they just let him be who he was, 650 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.719 which delved deeper into like the sleeves, like amped up the character that 651 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:14.639 he was, it could have been better. But they wanted to push Orton 652 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:27.320 and seenamore. But his big things is everything he debuted on and he's not 653 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.480 funny thing. You know why. You know why his finisher was called the 654 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:40.920 backstabber m because Bruce of Brody when he got murdered in his father's promotion down 655 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:51.920 in World Wrestling Council stab and then remember they brought in uh, I can't 656 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:57.920 remember his bodyguard that was there for one match, and his bodyguard they had 657 00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:05.159 created an angle where he had stabbed se in a nightclub. Go back and 658 00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:09.079 look at it. It's very interesting. They were visiting the Bruiser Brody thing 659 00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:14.079 and that was to help get more heat down to warp wrestling. It was 660 00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.239 still hot down there. Yeah, some of those things I might miss because 661 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:22.320 this was the year of my senior year, so my senior year high school 662 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.559 there, so we're talking about So I might have missed some of these, 663 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:28.960 But I didn't know that that was That's very interesting. I will check that 664 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.679 out. Hey SEUs, that was the guy, Hey Seuss, and you 665 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.760 wore like goofy ass day glow clothes and everything else, and it was just 666 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:44.840 it was very it was very stereotypical and very racist, to be honest, 667 00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.079 with you and that guy list lasted for that pay per view and then he 668 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:52.440 dropped the scene and he was out. But it was trying to reinvent the 669 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:58.320 bruiser brodying or trying to refresh it so they could simulcast it down into Puerto 670 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:05.840 Rico. Get some refreshed eyes on that. So there's your history lesson for 671 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:08.559 the today. Who's next? What's up? The next thing is, I 672 00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.599 don't want to touch on it too much, but it's the most tragic death 673 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:17.280 rest in history. Two thousand and five, irp Eddie Guerrero still in our 674 00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:22.199 hearts today. I think everybody has said more than enough about how they feel 675 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:27.599 about him. All we can do is just is just keep remembering him. 676 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.159 But moving on into two thousand and six, this was my graduation year, 677 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:38.599 so still being a closeted wrestling fan in my high school years. Specific things 678 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:44.000 that have brought up here is like, like I just mentioned, you have 679 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:47.239 to see the National Triple h where he made him tap Rayminsterio wins his first 680 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:52.119 world title. ECW One Night Stand in two thousand and six brought together the 681 00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:59.920 former ECW stars for a nostalgic and hardcore night of wrestling the return of dejener 682 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.880 she Ex's form in two thousand and six, and Edge establishes himself with his 683 00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:09.360 World World Heavyweight title reign in two thousand and six to solidif im as a 684 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:15.599 top heel in WWE. So two thousand and six was I think we're, 685 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:20.519 like I said, really pushing into the PG, out of the rules, 686 00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.840 aggression to the PG. I think this is at the point where we have 687 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:31.760 a supersena. Moving into seven E c W we launched WW. We launched 688 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:37.800 ECW as a brand, continued throughout two thousand and seven, featuring notable moments 689 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:45.000 like Bobby Lashley holding the ECW World title and matches involving roding Star like CM 690 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:50.079 punk. What did you think about the ECW rebirth with that big gold title. 691 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:55.079 You had champions like Matt Hardy, uh Mark, Henry H. CM 692 00:52:55.119 --> 00:53:00.559 Punk's first title, John Morrison, you know you had these were your champions 693 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:06.400 with their rebirth. What did you think about that relaunch? Garbage? Absolutely 694 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:09.159 garbage. I mean, anybody who saw ECW knew what ECW was and what 695 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:14.760 knew what ECW stood for. I knew that the w W E CW was 696 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:23.559 just an excuse to bury people or to basically just hopefully see if somebody was 697 00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:27.719 doing something, because there was no XT back then. First of all, 698 00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.119 I don't like the term brand, so let's let's start there. When they 699 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:34.159 started the brand extension, what's a brand? I want you to find a 700 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:42.639 brand? To me? Tell me is WWE brand? Is so raw brands 701 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:52.679 a brand? Now it's a show who do their paychecks come from same company, 702 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:57.559 so they're not brand. There are people who work exactly they're the same 703 00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.760 people who work for the same company. I hated this whole brand, like 704 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.320 the two world champion thing. Come on, man, I did that. 705 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:08.280 That was the latest thing, and we we dusted over that in the early 706 00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:13.360 two thousands. But I have to get this off my chest. The first 707 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:19.679 draft was, as I think Lord Alfred Hayes would say, a mess carriage 708 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:24.679 of justice. It was garbage. It was garbage. And if you go 709 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.239 back and you look like some of the people made sense, a lot of 710 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.440 people, you're like, they wrestled. I didn't even know that was a 711 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:37.159 person. It is shys. That's German. You guys can look that up. 712 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:40.519 And so for people to like they try to pretend it's too different companies 713 00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.440 because once w CW folded. The whole idea is we'll compete against each other. 714 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.239 And at first, well, I still don't believe in the brand. 715 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.360 How's it a brand? You change the color of the ropes and have a 716 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:59.400 different sign, you're the same goddamn company. Yeah, but it's what side 717 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:05.079 your repers team, like money where you want, Yes, you can. 718 00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:08.239 It's not a brand. Well back then you couldn't. Now you can. 719 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:13.599 Back then, at least they gave us reasons why people are on the opposite 720 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.360 show. But it's a brand. It's what you represent. Anything could be 721 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:22.800 your brand right now. My brand is Dyet food and diet drinks because I'm 722 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.519 changing my diet. So my brand is is healthy stuff. My brand is 723 00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:30.760 working. That's your lifestyle, bro, your lifestyle, bro, don't don't. 724 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:36.039 My brand is w podcast, My brand is Wrestle Magic, My brand 725 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:38.440 is the Mobile. Those are my brands. So what I represent, Okay, 726 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:42.719 I'll get I'll give you that. But like Nike is a brand, 727 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.199 Okay, it's a brand, it's a different Reebok is a different brand. 728 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:54.760 So if Nike was presenting a show and Reebok was presenting a show, their 729 00:55:54.920 --> 00:56:02.239 adversaries and very much because they are separate companies and corporations. Okay, so 730 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:07.639 what do you think about that Ron and Nitro or Ron SmackDown are the same 731 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:12.239 same damn company, same people, and they show up on the same shows. 732 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:15.760 It's it's always been that way. It's there's no brand, okay, 733 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:22.440 but it's so big it incorporates both brands. So the Raw is its own 734 00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:28.079 world while SmackDown's its own world. You're within the WW universe. Which brand 735 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.519 are you on? And you flow between brands if you're tag champions and whatnot. 736 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:37.280 But it's okay. Neil deGrasse Tyson will tell you that we have an 737 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.119 actual universe around us, okay, and that encompasses everything that is all in 738 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:49.280 life and all things human and inhuman. However, there is no WW universe. 739 00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:53.679 It is Sheep the people man five years ago. If it's McMahon five 740 00:56:53.719 --> 00:57:00.639 years ago told you that Hulkogan could fart plastic, they would believe it, 741 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:06.360 just like there's a brand. Now here's the reason why it's I believe it's 742 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:10.039 the WW universe because us as wrestling fans, live in our own world. 743 00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.559 Because we are different than other kinds of sports fans. We are in our 744 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:21.639 own universe because there's so many rabbit holes of wrestling to go down between here 745 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:30.280 and Japan and Canada and Britain and raw smag nxcaw All Japan, Unlootah Underground. 746 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.239 There's so many rabbit holes that you can go into. That is what 747 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:39.800 encompasses the w universe. It's all things wrestling. But WWE universe doesn't encompass 748 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:45.519 all. They'll encompass what they could buy and manipulate that smick Man could manipulate. 749 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:51.320 And what do you rewrite history? There's no brand. It's a show. 750 00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:58.320 It's a show. Ladies and gentleman, it's a show. They can't 751 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.440 have two champions. Now have two champions with the same company. Tell me 752 00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:07.800 if the UFC, if the UFC shows two pay per views in the month, 753 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:15.000 do you have two world heavyweight champions ladies and gentlemen? Point made, 754 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:23.960 thank you, But that's a different show. Sorry, it's it's it's a 755 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:30.639 different brand, real brand. So all right, let's keep rocking and roll, 756 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:37.920 okay. Two thousand and seven, two thousand and seven, Well Ben 757 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:43.039 Water tragedy, rise of scene in punk. We had the Greater the Great 758 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:50.320 American Bash. Oh seven marked Bobby Lasty's last match when he challenged John Cena 759 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.039 for the ww title and this was the I think this was the first time 760 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:58.039 I really really believed that Johnsena was gonna lose because he was super Seene at 761 00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.519 this time, and I'm like, he's think Bobby's the one right there? 762 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:06.960 There was only two guys besides h we k And and Triblaze. I thought 763 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:13.400 could be seen a clean that was Bibi Glashley and Moga, but it never 764 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:21.760 happened. Yeah, I loved I did to. The formation has also happened 765 00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:23.320 in two thousand and seven. I'm sorry, go ahead, more about Maga. 766 00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.760 Well here here's my thing about Omaga, Like they created this monster. 767 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:32.719 First of all, it was three minute warning and there were you know, 768 00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:42.079 Eric Beeshoff's people. They punished Rosie, then Jamal becomes Umaga, and it's 769 00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.719 like, I don't understand why they punished one, I promoted the other. 770 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:51.840 Use the Simons are always like blessed. But I'll tell you what that year 771 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:58.599 like Ubag. I had fun watching. I loved everything he did. And 772 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:05.079 folks, when Jacob Tattoo comes in, you're gonna see the next version of 773 01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:10.239 Omaga. You're gonna see a destroyer. That's what Jacob Fattoo does. Also, 774 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:13.719 I want to say real quick, so that was the death of the 775 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.320 follow one. So I'm gonna tell you about that day. So that day, 776 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:20.360 like I said, he was probably at that point my favorite wrestling the 777 01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.639 world. And I know this is really bad to say, because I know 778 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:27.519 people are like, well, what he did, I said, performer wrestler, 779 01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:37.960 favorite person, right, exactly. So my best friend Miguel, he's 780 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.760 he's in Ohio. I'm living in Memphis at the time, and I'm walking 781 01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:44.400 by the TV and I look up and I see WW and I was like, 782 01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.760 oh, okay, and I you know when I work, if you 783 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:51.800 work in a restaurant or nightclub environment, you have TVs, but you have 784 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.880 no sound. You just have like close caption on because you're gonna have music 785 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:58.679 and everything else. I remember looking up and it says, you know, 786 01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:02.320 Chrispin wad dad And I was like, I got a text mcguil and I 787 01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:07.679 seriously pulled out my phone. There's a text from Miguel and said Ben was 788 01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:13.800 dead. I'm so depressed because we bought he was the best of the best, 789 01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:22.639 and it's just one of those things. It's just one of those things. 790 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:27.480 It's like, man, how did this have to happen? And like 791 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:36.480 his match would see him Punk that never happened probably would have been if if 792 01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:40.320 Ben Wah was at the top of his game and Punk was at the top 793 01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:46.960 of his game and that age and that young more than chemistry, it would 794 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:51.719 have been a mad scientist. Paul Hayman should have been the agent, and 795 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.159 he wasn't with the company, and Paul Hayman could have probably put that together 796 01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:58.800 and said, guys, take twenty five minutes and give me the best product 797 01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:01.119 you could ever have. That they would have had the best damn product of 798 01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:07.559 that year. I guarantee that. But everybody knows the following one was never 799 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.239 good. After Eddie died and he was never the same, and everybody talks 800 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:15.320 about how he just unplugged himself. It was a hard time for you to 801 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:19.559 watch wrestling too, because, yeah, like Paul Burschell and all these weird 802 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:23.320 people, like all these stupid gimmicks coming out was becoming more childish at this 803 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:28.159 point, and a lot of people were turning the channel because they just didn't 804 01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:30.280 want to watch it. So as you were, sir, keep with the 805 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:37.280 timeline. I'm with you two thousand and eight, retirement of Ric Flair, 806 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:45.039 the rise of Jeff Hardy, the formation of Legacy. Okay, let's take 807 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:54.320 Rick Flair retiring number five right at that point. Yeah, everybody knows. 808 01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:58.199 My favorite wrestler of all time is Rick Flayer. The reason I'm a wrestling 809 01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:01.039 fan is because I wanted to be Rick Flacker. My goal in life is 810 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.760 to meet Rick Clair. If I meet Rick Clair, I will die happy. 811 01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:09.000 Man. I've had a very fruitful life. I think I've sent you 812 01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.480 the pictures of me, like kicking it with Drake and stuff like that. 813 01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.880 Like I've lived a life. I have lived a life. But to meet 814 01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:23.760 Ric Flair as a whole, whole other thing. So his retirement we get. 815 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:30.079 I just I have a big disdain for Shawn Michaels for his backstage politics. 816 01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:35.280 It's not as in ring performances as backstage politics. And I have a 817 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:37.119 huge love for Brett Harp for beating the hell out of my every time he 818 01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:43.360 could, which I think is hilarious and no one stopped it. Hey, 819 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:47.760 you know the one person I think that would have loved to beat the hell 820 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:52.559 up Shawn Michaels. I think the best fight would Shawn Michaels and Booker t 821 01:03:52.920 --> 01:04:00.840 because Scott Hall has said before it interviews, it's like Kevin and I would 822 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:02.599 be working with Harlem people. We were trying to get our ass kicked, 823 01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:08.079 and it's like, you know, those guys were legit, And so I 824 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:12.079 could imagine Sean just smarting off to Booker and Booker just like giving the heavy 825 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.639 hand and like reaching back and giving the smack of the Gods across his face. 826 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:20.679 And I just would have smiled. But that's because he needed it to 827 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:25.800 bury people. Like what he did to Chris Candido was Sonny, you're not 828 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:30.960 a human being, You're an asshole. Yeah, talking about that on the 829 01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:36.079 Dark Side episode, Yeah, he is. He's a jerk. And you 830 01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:40.000 know, I mean, like I said before, if he was locked in 831 01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:45.400 a room with Chris Candido for fifteen minutes, Chris Candido would walk out and 832 01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:49.480 Sean would be crying in a corner after he got the hell beat out of 833 01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:58.159 him because his friends couldn't save his life. So you know, it's what 834 01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:03.159 was your your highlight of the year, Well, one of it was a 835 01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:09.840 big highlight, but it's when neighbor they two thousand and eight is whenever they 836 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:15.320 took down the spank down fist. Thank God Jesus Lord. You know, 837 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.599 I get that was cool, or you know, in the beginning, but 838 01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:23.559 yeah, do you remember what Hide and Rake sat on it and did poetry? 839 01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.400 Yeah? Okay, so let me tell you my Hide and Rake story. 840 01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:35.000 My friend Steve, he used to run Hustler Hollywood down in New Orleans, 841 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:40.559 and Hide and Reike came in there all the time. And Steve's a 842 01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:44.480 big wrestling fan. He actually listens to the show and he had talked about 843 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.159 like Hide and Brake would come over and talk to him, and they became 844 01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.960 friends, and then they became every time Hide Andrake was in town, he'd 845 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:53.440 like, is Steve there? And He's like, I gotta avoid this guy. 846 01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:59.199 He's like burning me up. Yeah. Hide and Reik was a pain 847 01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:05.199 in the ass. Yeah. So the formation of Legacy was a big deal 848 01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:12.519 for me. Okay, I have a soft spot for second third generation stars 849 01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:16.679 and Randy I heard it taking a liking to and then all of a sudden 850 01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:19.800 you got the kid of Dusty Roads and the kid of the Million Dollar Man, 851 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:25.079 and I thought it was perfect. I was like, these guys are 852 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:30.039 these guys are not big muscular guys, They're not powerhouses. They're gonna they're 853 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:31.880 gonna be taken to go fast speed, and they're gonna cheat a win, 854 01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:36.639 which I'm gonna heill throw them through. And just when I saw them three, 855 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:40.599 I was like I saw the past, I saw their dads. I 856 01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:45.360 saw you know, for lack of a better word, bloodline, right, 857 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:49.000 And for me, just any second generation star, it just I give them 858 01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:54.039 a little bit more credit because they do have to live up to a name, 859 01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:57.960 and yeah they get you know, they get a voucher to get in 860 01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.920 the door, but they still have to prove themselves. So anybody who was 861 01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:05.360 able to prove himself and last as long as they did, it just made 862 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:09.760 them that more of a start to me because they were also carrying on the 863 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:15.639 legacy of the family. What about man U u Man new Man Whu. 864 01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:18.679 He was the Lost Tongue and that was part of the legacy for like a 865 01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:24.960 month and then they fired him again. Then they also had Domino for a 866 01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:30.280 brief bit, right or they were introduced him. Yeah, yeah, he 867 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:33.239 might have been part of I can't remember, honestly. At that point, 868 01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.800 wrestling was so bad it was hard for me to watch and I was working. 869 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:41.719 I was working at the Jazz Club where I'd work till five in the 870 01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:45.719 morning, and guys like, seriously, please don't ever do that to yourself. 871 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:50.480 And so I'd watch it without sound on in my billiards hall, which 872 01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:54.800 was above the jazz club, with my boys Sewn, Boyce, love you, 873 01:07:54.880 --> 01:08:00.679 Sean, and I didn't really know what was going out, but man, 874 01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.400 it was part of the man. It was part a period of time. 875 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:05.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was He was a blip on the 876 01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:15.119 map. And but when I saw Legacy, I saw Randy Orton, and 877 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:19.520 honestly, I didn't think about Cody, and I knew DBAs was gonna last, 878 01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:27.720 so I just saw basically, you know, it's the idea friends, 879 01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:30.960 Yeah, but the idea of it was just it was a great concept. 880 01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.359 No, it could have been great, But if you don't boil it out 881 01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:41.359 in eight months, then it could be great. You have three kids of 882 01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:46.520 literally wrestling legends, Hall of famers exactly. That that's that's those stories should 883 01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:50.039 write themselves. Any anything they did or do, I mean, yeah, 884 01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:54.119 they grab some goal here and there. One thing that kind of took me 885 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:57.399 off is they never all held gold at the same time, either Randy was 886 01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:00.439 champion or they were tax champs, But I don't think every odd same time. 887 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:04.800 That's what at that one still eatsy a little bit. But they screwed 888 01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:09.840 the pooch on that one. Yeah, so man, what can you do? 889 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:15.600 What can you do? So? Uh so let's get going here. 890 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.960 We've got a few more things. We're gonna go ahead and get through. 891 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:24.680 Just you know, like I said, this is just top things that's coming 892 01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:27.479 up. I'm searching. I did a lot of research. I have a 893 01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:29.840 lot of notes here, but there was a few years that I missed, 894 01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:33.359 so I'm literally typing here seeing what pops up. The most the most significant 895 01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:38.159 thing for me for the year two thousand and nine was WrestleMania twenty five. 896 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.600 Number one. It was in Houston, Texas. Number two, I was 897 01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:48.760 there. And number three it's you know, arguably and said to be one 898 01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:53.800 of the greatest matches of all time in restman history or in wrestling history period. 899 01:09:53.840 --> 01:10:00.640 And it's HBK versus Taker, Light versus the Darkness this one. I 900 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:05.159 was sitting stage left right, so I was left to the stage. I 901 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:11.319 could see the walk the I could see the wrestlers walking from from the back 902 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:15.000 entrance through Gorilla into the stage right because the stage was so big, so 903 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:18.479 I could actually, like I saw Michaels get into position to be raised up 904 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:24.800 on that platform for them to bring them down. So that one was special 905 01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:28.199 for me. It was well, you know, the twenty fifth anniversary of 906 01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:35.720 WrestleMania, so significantly enough compared to other WrestleManias. WrestleMania seventeen was was also 907 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:40.159 regarded as one of the best Wresumanians of all time, which I was also 908 01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:44.279 at. I was very fortunate to be at both and very fortunate to be 909 01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:49.439 a part of a lot of rest in history. I don't mean I was 910 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:55.239 young, you know, I was early twenties, and then I think seventeen, 911 01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:59.199 I was fish. I've never been to a mania, so you know, 912 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:02.960 it's it's just, I mean, it's hard to describe. It's hard 913 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:11.319 to describe. It's just to see if people just maybe one day, one 914 01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:15.159 day, maybe there'll be a restuming nay between us one day. Well look 915 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:18.520 at it this way. I used to hang out with Drake, so you 916 01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:26.199 know, right place, right time, right. Yeah. So the one 917 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:30.840 thing you're gonna hate about two thousand and nine is and don't ran all you 918 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:34.039 want, but no, don't rant too much. But the rise of them 919 01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:39.680 is. The two thousand and nine marked the rise of the Miss WWE, 920 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:46.319 as he transitioned from reality TV star to a legitimate wrestling talent legitimate wrestling talent, 921 01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:53.920 eventually becoming a top superstar and a multi time champion and the first two 922 01:11:54.039 --> 01:12:03.479 time Grand Slam Champion. May I please listen, gentlemen, there's no worse 923 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:06.479 performer in the whole world of the company than the Miss. He should have 924 01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:10.560 stuck to do in commentary and you should do nothing more than that because all 925 01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:13.560 he is is an actor. He is mediocre at best in the ring. 926 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:17.039 We have a Tito Santana rule. The Tito Santana rule is if Santana could 927 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:19.359 do it better than you in the ring, and he was always a mid 928 01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:24.680 carter, then you should never win a world title. I also put this 929 01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:28.880 as the Rick Martel rule, because Rick Martel is just that damn good and 930 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:33.159 the Miss is just damn not that good. Now, a waste of a 931 01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:41.199 skin human being like the Miz was blessed to main event WrestleMania when a talent 932 01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:45.439 like see him Punk was not. I want to tell you folks that if 933 01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:49.960 you're a fan of the Miss, you are legally special. You need to 934 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:55.439 talk to you doctors. You need to go to a learning center because oh 935 01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:59.720 yeah, he's great behind the mic. That's because he's an actor, idiot, 936 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:06.760 idiot and his wrestling. Please, you have the week the second weakest 937 01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:16.880 finisher because the big ending with Biggie is the first. Yea, it is 938 01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:23.960 the weakest weakest finisher. Miss. If you're listening to me, I will 939 01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:28.479 take a grievance with you at one four four Captain on next, I don't 940 01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:31.520 like you. You suck. You've sucked since the day you were born. 941 01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:41.880 Okay. Blaming his longevity because he had it was n McMahon was stupid. 942 01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:45.560 He saw okay, I could I could tie this into role. Why did 943 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:51.399 we have all these celebrity matches from before and why did we have the same 944 01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:59.279 year? What is I guess? Noted as the guest host, era WW 945 01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:03.680 introduced a concept of guest hosts from Modday Night Raw and took that line guard 946 01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:09.399 bringing in celebrities and personalities to add a unique dynamic to the show and create 947 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:14.000 entertainment moments for the fans. They they did such great things for ratings. 948 01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:15.960 As they brought the muppets in and they had them talk to Seamus, who's 949 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:20.359 the other talent vacuum that they put put in at this point, and they 950 01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:27.920 talked to them upets like they were real people. They had Jared from Subway. 951 01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:31.800 How's he doing, by the way, we've seen that documentary. That's 952 01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:38.520 my recommendation. Yeah, yeah, Jared, Jared, Jared. He booked 953 01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:44.560 a couple of matches. That's that's great PR for you. That's great PR. 954 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:50.159 Hindsight's a little twenty twenty now, isn't it. Jared from Subway? 955 01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:55.039 And if you people don't know, you will after you talk to me or 956 01:14:55.119 --> 01:15:00.359 hear my voice. They booked a lot of real they booked what was it. 957 01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:10.159 Jeremy Piven was there and he kept calling Summer Slam, Summer Fest, 958 01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:15.000 Oh my god, because that's a genius move. I think they had Barbara 959 01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:25.239 Barbara Billingsley from The Brady Bunch there. These are Einstein moments, and you 960 01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:30.920 wondered why your ratings dropped and dropped and your key demographic that they keep talking 961 01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:35.199 about now went to hell. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. 962 01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:42.239 I remember tuning out. I remember having the DVRT to fast forward through 963 01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:47.199 you know at that point show, Yeah, that's pretty bad. The only 964 01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:55.359 thing you had was Punk brock Sena for his promos. He wasn't really I 965 01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:59.199 mean, he was wrestling, but he wasn't really wrestling. And then everybody 966 01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:03.479 got tuned into NXT. That was the birth and that's where we segue into 967 01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:08.760 this to what the next generation was. But keep going, my friend, 968 01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:13.960 So we're just like I said we you and Maverick did the nineties, Matt 969 01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:19.640 touched. Matt only did ten ten moments from ten big moments from the twenty 970 01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:24.760 ten, so twenty ten to twenty twenty, right, and he you know, 971 01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:30.079 made a list from other people's list. He mentioned this whenever he reposted 972 01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:34.920 it. So I'm gonna have a couple of things from twenty ten I want 973 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:38.960 to cover, but we're gonna cut it there and then we might we might 974 01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:45.359 turn this into a two part But twenty ten, so nine you had one 975 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:49.199 of the greatest resumated matches with Undertaker and HBK. Twenty ten you had the 976 01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:57.359 Career versus the Street and that was that resuming in twenty six Taker retiring shot. 977 01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.960 That was a very big signific moment. I believe it was done very 978 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:08.840 well. The next his debut that we turned that we're trying to bread heart 979 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:13.680 after over a decade being away from ww you know, after everything that had 980 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:23.640 happened, let's let's talk about that that complete. It was a puerial idea, 981 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:30.720 but they didn't execute it with the guys properly. Wait, Wade Barrett 982 01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:35.479 should have been a lot more than what he was and five champion. That 983 01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:41.479 doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. Okay, Wade Barrett should have been a 984 01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:46.039 world champion. Sena and Orton buried them for some reason. And Daniel Brian 985 01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:50.399 broke through the you know, Brian Danielson his real name. You know, 986 01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:54.720 he broke through the glass ceiling. But look at all the rest of those 987 01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:59.199 slags. There was nothing that came out of there. And I mean, 988 01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:06.039 everybody likes Skip Sheffield turning a rye back, the clumsiest special need wrestler who 989 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:15.119 injured people and had nothing more than four moves. There was nothing in that. 990 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:17.880 There was nothing in that. It was a good idea on paper, 991 01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:25.359 but look where they all turned out. There's a reason why they all turn 992 01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:29.079 out the way they did. Yeah, No, make a star from there, 993 01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:35.600 I guess, but Brian, Danny, Bryan and and Pray, Yeah 994 01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:42.399 that's it. So like you know, I remember watching that. It didn't 995 01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:45.840 captivate me. It didn't captivate me as much as like the nWo taking over 996 01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:50.479 shows like the first or second show nWo did before it became like pass. 997 01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:57.319 But I was like, I don't know, besides uh, Brian Danilson choking 998 01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:01.760 a guy with the cord and getting fired for it and being the only good 999 01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:05.239 I mean he and he and Wade Barrett were the only people who really had 1000 01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:09.880 talent in the group. And people say Heath Slater, yeah, well Heath 1001 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:15.079 Slayer went on to do many jobs. Heath Slayer wasn't a bad guy, 1002 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:20.079 just I could never take him seriously because of that, and nobody else everybody 1003 01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:25.720 fizzled. Everybody fizzled. Then Rye Back came in, you know, and 1004 01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:29.439 and everybody's like, oh god, he's awesome. My friend Seawan Boyce, 1005 01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:33.680 I love this guy. I earlier today, Sean was like, he's gonna 1006 01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:36.680 be the next thing. And I looked at him and said he's nothing but 1007 01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:41.000 fodder. And he looked at me, He's like, what is like, 1008 01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:45.079 Just trust me? He said, he's nothing but fodder. I could always 1009 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:49.159 predict, like the same thing when when when Russev for his Miro Russov came 1010 01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:53.000 out, I was like, they're just gonna build him so he could be 1011 01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:55.439 fed to Sina and he's like no, no, no. I was like, 1012 01:19:55.920 --> 01:20:00.800 trust me, yep, it's just one of those things you can feel 1013 01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:02.960 and like, I don't know. So the Nexus did nothing for me. 1014 01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:06.840 It was everybody talks about how it was a wasted angle, but I mean 1015 01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:11.039 the biggest person out of that they got wasted was probably PJ. Black. 1016 01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:16.079 He was, you know, the derewolf, whatever you want to call him 1017 01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:21.479 these days. He was probably the only person who had a super amount of 1018 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:29.760 talent but got nothing in return. Everybody else just floundered in at hediocrity, 1019 01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:36.159 except for you know, well bouncing off the next is who didn't have a 1020 01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:42.960 lot of great come out of that group. Another group uh formed and broke 1021 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:47.520 it out onto the scene the Rise of the Shield. Now that's a whole 1022 01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:53.840 that's a horse of a different color it is, And so that was significant 1023 01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:59.840 of twenty ten and to round out and to close the show and not to 1024 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.000 piggyback too much because Matt did cover it, but twenty ten was the summer 1025 01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:12.479 of punk. Summer summer punk was what rejuvenated my love in rustling. And 1026 01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:18.640 it's not just because we look alike very un I know, it's kind of 1027 01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:24.439 weird that, but what it really comes down to is the guy was super 1028 01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:28.199 talented, and I really I was just like watching it casually with my friend 1029 01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:32.720 Sean Boyce again in the absence room in Memphis, and he would come on 1030 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:35.880 and I actually found somebody that I was like, this guy is good on 1031 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:40.359 the stick, and then he was good in the ring. But when I 1032 01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:44.039 saw the shield, I was like, we have something here. And I 1033 01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:47.920 knew who the I knew who seth Rollins was as Tyler Black, and I 1034 01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:53.520 knew Moxley, but I didn't know about Yeah, I did not. I 1035 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:56.800 didn't know about Roman. I didn't know about him because I didn't watch NXT 1036 01:21:56.920 --> 01:22:00.840 at that point, and so I was they are intrigued. But I remember 1037 01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:04.640 the first time they did the triple power bomb, I said, who do 1038 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:08.720 you think is the leader? And I remember Sean was like, it's it's 1039 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:12.319 it's John Moxley. I was like, no, it's not, and he's 1040 01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:15.000 like why, I said, because who's in the middle. It's Roman. 1041 01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:17.800 So Roman reigns is the leader. He's like, no, no, no, 1042 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:21.760 no, I said, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. So that's 1043 01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:26.279 why he's in the middle, not just because he's the strongest and he's the 1044 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:30.640 one who's going to do the power ball. He's the focus. He's the 1045 01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:34.560 biggest. I said, but you know the Dean Ambrose character. I said, 1046 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:39.359 it's going to be big. But no one could denies. Seth was 1047 01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:44.960 the worker. He was the workhorse. He was the work horse of that 1048 01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:50.720 team. So, yeah, that was the twenty tens. There's a lot 1049 01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:54.560 of frustration. There was a lot of I mean, you had so many 1050 01:22:54.640 --> 01:23:00.199 characters like Paul Burchell and so many goofy characters just come in and come out 1051 01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:03.520 and get fired. And then you kept talent vacuums like the Mis and Seamus 1052 01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:08.840 who really do nothing for me. They do nothing for me. You can't 1053 01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:13.520 tell me Seamus is Bruiser Brody. No. But they represented different they represent 1054 01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:17.199 a different demographic that WW was trying to attract. You had Champus as the 1055 01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:23.359 representative of Ireland, and you had to miss at the representative of the reality 1056 01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:28.079 TV world, So you got to have somebody represent every aspect of life, 1057 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:33.720 whether it's celebrities, you know, dark light, you know, cowboys and 1058 01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:38.479 discs and that I get to have everybody, right, so they were they 1059 01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:43.319 were representing a certain a certain part of the audience, right, got the 1060 01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:45.880 kids, the men, the adults, you got something for everybody. You 1061 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:49.479 got comedy, you got your you know your giants and your small people and 1062 01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:54.520 your high flyers, and you know your technical guys and submission guys. You 1063 01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:59.520 know these guys. Was reality start and you're you're representative from Ireland? Which 1064 01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:04.840 isn't he the first? I'm shamous, the first Irish born WW champion probably, 1065 01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:11.239 but who cares? It's in their record books. Have you have you 1066 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:17.560 ever eaten at a cheesecake factory? No? Okay? So their menu is 1067 01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:27.079 like twenty pages. Okay, So do you want to eat food and be 1068 01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:31.920 happy or do you want to scan through something all day? That's what they 1069 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:36.560 did with the Mis and Seamus. It's a twenty page menu. I rather 1070 01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:43.119 eat and be happy as opposed to look through a menu to find a reality 1071 01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:48.600 show or Irish champion, because they're not doing it for me, They're doing 1072 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:58.039 it for somebody else. Yeah, those people suck Hey, there's a reason 1073 01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:00.960 on my heel. There's a reason on a heel. Well, it's you 1074 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:04.520 know, it's I think may not this might not be the right term for 1075 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:09.520 it, but the mess effect is what we're getting now with Logan Paul. 1076 01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:14.119 You got a big celebrity outside who can bring. Paul has talent. There's 1077 01:25:14.159 --> 01:25:17.680 a difference. Logan Paul is legitimately tough. Do you think do you think 1078 01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:24.199 the miss could win a boxing match against any jobber? No? No, 1079 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:27.920 I don't think he can do that, But I think you did enough. 1080 01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:31.199 Do you think you could beat the miss in a boxing match? I think 1081 01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:36.159 I can. But the point is he brought and he headline WrestleMania, but 1082 01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:41.439 he brought eyeballs, a different part of the world's eyeballs to the product, 1083 01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:45.600 and he never made the company look bad. He's been a team player. 1084 01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:53.239 He can kind of like the rest of uh well, and he's also helped 1085 01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:59.640 w break out into the raality TV world with his successful show Miss and Missus. 1086 01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:04.039 So he's done his part to help the company grow into other industries and 1087 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:09.000 beyond. But I've got something to say. I'm a wrestling fan. I 1088 01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:12.439 want to watch wrestling. I don't care about reality TV. Well, this 1089 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:18.239 is wrestling entertainment. Yeah, well that he needs to go, which is 1090 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:24.199 all encompassed in the w universe. It's garbage, it's trash, it's pants. 1091 01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:30.239 You're trashing somebody else's treasure. Hey, I mean my trash. Yeah, 1092 01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:34.079 I wouldn't root through my trash. But now, seriously, I mean, 1093 01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:39.319 I just please it. Miss. If you're listening, go away, 1094 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:44.520 take Seamus with you. I'm trying to think who else needs to get in 1095 01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:48.039 the car and drive off the planet. But I'm saving for the Yeah, 1096 01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:50.319 let's say for the next one. Buddy. We got to get out of 1097 01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:56.399 here. It's been a blast. It's been too long since it's just been 1098 01:26:56.520 --> 01:27:00.199 me and you. But obviously, you know, just life's going on. 1099 01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:03.159 We do got pay per view coming up. King and Queen of the Ring 1100 01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:10.800 real quick prediction, Gunther, Do you think the gimm is gonna fit him? 1101 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:14.159 Well? I think it's just a holding pattern for him to not have 1102 01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:17.960 him in the title picture yet until later in the year. But I think 1103 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:21.239 it'll be something nice, you know, I guess just for him. I 1104 01:27:21.319 --> 01:27:28.319 think he will re legitimize the King of the Ring Moniker like he did with 1105 01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:30.720 the Inner cardinal title. But to make the King of the Ring significant again, 1106 01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:34.159 you have to have somebody, Like they said, the man makes the 1107 01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:38.319 title, not the other way around. I think Gunther will make the crown, 1108 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:42.159 as long as he doesn't do the British accent, which I doubt he 1109 01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:45.720 will. I don't think he's no longer the ring general. He's the ring 1110 01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:49.119 king, and he's going to come out and he's going to put on the 1111 01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:53.960 best matches. He's gonna put on the best. Like seriously, this guy, 1112 01:27:55.119 --> 01:28:00.680 I don't know what we have to do to put the world title on 1113 01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:03.920 him. I think we are always the dudes wait a little bit longer. 1114 01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:10.600 The guy was UK champion for over eight hundred days, Intercontinental champion for over 1115 01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:15.239 six hundred days. Do you how many days he had as as inner six 1116 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:19.800 sixty six? I know, Satan, so I mean he's been a champion 1117 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:26.359 for just probably more days than not in his career. Once they finally put 1118 01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:29.880 the strap on him, I believe he'll, you know, I don't know 1119 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.239 if he's gonna be breaking records, but by that time, the dude might 1120 01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:35.479 be full face. Who knows, but I was thinking about that too. 1121 01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:42.119 If he does, I think it's gonna be organic though, an organic babyface. 1122 01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:46.479 Fans want it versus him pander and r because I love the way he 1123 01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:53.840 talks to the crowd still or it's it's amazing, it's subtle. Yes, 1124 01:28:54.199 --> 01:29:00.359 yes, I I I I am the biggest. I still call him Walter 1125 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:04.279 Walter Gunther fan. You know, I mean he has something that is intangible, 1126 01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:10.960 and I really believe that he's gonna be He's gonna be like their next 1127 01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:14.960 really really big breakthrough guy. And you know, you could talk about, 1128 01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:18.560 you know, pushing Roman. Roman is past putting a title on him. 1129 01:29:19.039 --> 01:29:24.560 Now He's bigger than the title. Roman's gonna work programs with people for feuds 1130 01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:30.640 and anger like that. They're building the whole, you know, the whole 1131 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:34.640 blood line versus blood line, and that's gonna be really big. So go 1132 01:29:34.840 --> 01:29:40.560 with that and go with that that civil war. But Gunther Walter is going 1133 01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:44.359 to be something that transcends that. He's he's gonna be a world champion. 1134 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:49.279 And I don't I will not be surprised they put him over brock Lesner, 1135 01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:53.720 if they bring brock Lesner back, but if all the allegations against brock Lesner 1136 01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:57.119 is true, I don't want Rock Lesner back. So the only person they 1137 01:29:57.159 --> 01:30:00.800 could put him over at this point is Sena or the Rock to really get 1138 01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:05.800 that super rub. But at this point he's unstoppable. He is a machine 1139 01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:12.039 man. I was watching him ten years ago and and I'm not trying to 1140 01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:15.439 brag it. Just you watch these people come up and you're like, this 1141 01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:18.359 guy's gonna be amazing. Like the person I think they missed the boat on 1142 01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:26.960 honestly is Apollo Cruse. Apollo Cruz is the most multi talented performer as Ooha 1143 01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:30.920 Nation, but as Apollo Cruise, he's somebody completely different. He's not who 1144 01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:35.199 he is. If they just let him be himself, he'd be amazing. 1145 01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:41.800 So anyway, that's that. So you enjoy your life, my friend. 1146 01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:45.880 Let's let's give our shout outs and our talkouts. Okay, shout out to 1147 01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:54.000 the Western Magic Team, Maverick Scully, Michael Patrick, Mark from Memphis. 1148 01:30:54.279 --> 01:30:59.319 Just everybody doing their own thing, doing a team thing, doing a three 1149 01:30:59.399 --> 01:31:05.399 way thing, but it just contributing. That was the part that we wanted, 1150 01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:09.720 me and you, when I say we mean you wanted was to have 1151 01:31:11.159 --> 01:31:15.119 other components of this brand and the brest of Magic umbrella to produce things when 1152 01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:20.159 being a life was taken over for us. So I'm so ecstatic with the 1153 01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:25.279 work that they're doing, reaching out to these retired wrestlers that were trying to 1154 01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:30.600 match states with and this money out for like we are. We are pulling 1155 01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:33.439 out of pocket for this because we love this so much. Right, even 1156 01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:38.680 if I'm not on one of these episodes, I'm still contributing to get that 1157 01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:43.640 superstar here to talk on the rest of Magic Brand for the We podcast. 1158 01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:46.880 So shout out to our guys. Shout out to Matt for giving me the 1159 01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:50.439 green light to do this episode. He did say that he had been meaning 1160 01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:54.840 to do it but just couldn't get around to it, so he gave me 1161 01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:59.319 the green light. So shout out to him. Michael Rinard on the SmackDown 1162 01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:02.800 at the d on the of the After Dark What Happened to the aw review, 1163 01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:08.880 And shout out to you Michael for just getting here. And I know 1164 01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:11.359 we've got a late start. We both we both got you know, had 1165 01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:15.079 got home late, but we made it happen like we always do. Well. 1166 01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:18.199 You know, here here's my thing, ladies and gentlemen, boys and 1167 01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:21.600 girls, showing the ballage is my name. Is Michael Gross and I am 1168 01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:27.800 your gardener. You can reach me at one Captain on X. And the 1169 01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:31.800 fact is I live for this. I live for gardening. I live for 1170 01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.960 making my life better. I live for my incredibly beautiful girlfriend that I love 1171 01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:44.760 named Jennifer. I live for helping Rocky produce and make these shows because Rocky 1172 01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:48.159 and I do this for all of you. Rocky and I do this for 1173 01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:54.000 all of you. And a shout out to missus Rocky Tea, because Kim 1174 01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:58.600 is an amazing human being. And I just want to also say, you 1175 01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:01.199 know, obviously shout out to my girlfriend Jennifer, who I love. And 1176 01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:05.399 I'm not gonna repeat that as zillion times, but I will say that what 1177 01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:10.920 we do here with our team and everything else is try to create content so 1178 01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:15.479 you can listen to it timelessly so it's not dated. So what we're talking 1179 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:17.479 about, while it is dated, is not really dated. You can listen 1180 01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:20.560 to it any day of the week. It's not like it's spoilers or anything 1181 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:25.000 like that. Rock and I have a lot of fun. We talk. 1182 01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:29.239 He takes care of me and I take care of him, and we have 1183 01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:31.359 a great team here that are brewing up. So much stuff. I mean, 1184 01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:38.199 like I said, Michael Patrick's working on a very important little episode. 1185 01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:46.399 And now we have some some nostalgic wrestling members that are going to be on 1186 01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:53.840 the show. And it's just guys, it's it's like the absence of mister 1187 01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:59.960 and missus casual wrestling fan life comes into it. But we will not get 1188 01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:02.880 up, and I know that they'll be back. Everybody does not give up. 1189 01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:06.720 Also, shout out to Djkuzmo, because let's call him out. You 1190 01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:11.079 need to be on our show. We wrote a show for you. Get 1191 01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:14.439 the last year. Last year, we wrote the show for you. Around 1192 01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:18.600 this time, it's been over a year. Kuzmo every week with her saying 1193 01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:23.279 that you sponsored the location of the SmackDown. You got time to do that, 1194 01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:25.880 but you ain't got time to reach out to us. Don't make come 1195 01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:29.720 on to New York. Come on, come on. We had an episode. 1196 01:34:30.199 --> 01:34:38.239 Everybody all right? All right? With that being said, ladies and 1197 01:34:38.279 --> 01:34:41.319 gentlemen, it's time to sound out. Sign out tonight. We've had a 1198 01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:44.840 great time. It was a great review. And you know, if you 1199 01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:46.439 guys want to work with us, like on X, I'm at one four 1200 01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:51.399 four. Captain Rocky at rockies clubs, there was your seven or you know 1201 01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:57.000 what, here's my business line seven one three five six two five six eight 1202 01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:00.399 nine. That's my team more business line. But I'll answer anybody, and 1203 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:03.960 we can just hook up that way and start workshopping ideas, because that's that's 1204 01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:08.399 how it starts. If you want to be part of our team, you 1205 01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:12.439 just lovesto man. We are open and we will work with you as long 1206 01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:17.359 as you're not goofy. So all right man, so let's call it good 1207 01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:23.000 night and until next time. All right, brother, all right, bye 1208 01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:30.319 bye. Thanks for listening to the WWE podcast. Don't forget to subscribe on 1209 01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:34.640 your favorite podcast app so you don't miss a show, or head to WWE 1210 01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:40.880 podcast dot com and for all of these shows add free head over to Patreon 1211 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:46.479 dot com slash WWE podcast. Until then, we'll see you next time.