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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to
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voice crying. One, two three, Hello everyone, Welcome back to a

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new episode of You're Wrong with Molly
Hemingway and David Harsani. This week,

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I think the big topic Molly will
be the GOP presidential debate without Donald Trump.

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I'm not sure how important it is, but it is happening, and

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I'm kind of excited to actually see
how these sort of second tier people stack

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up against each other. How about
you. Yeah, I have been saying

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for months how annoyed I am with
the primary, and how I don't want

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to be thinking about it, and
how I think they're all these like other

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important things going on. But I
will admit I woke up this morning and

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I was like, Oh, it's
debate day, and I got a little

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excited. And I'm very curious to
see how different people answer different questions.

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I have, you know, lots
of thoughts on what people should be doing,

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how they should approach things. I
even I was talking with a decantist

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advisor yesterday about Trump not showing up. And I was also thinking about this

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because you and I had been talking
about Johnny Rotten and his new album that's

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out, and he had strongly criticized
President Biden for not debating his primary opponents,

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like the Democrat Party is just not
even hosting debates even though his opponents

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have pretty strong polling. That'd be
Mary Ann Williamson and Robert Kennedy and Johnny

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Rotten was talking about how awful it
is to not debate, how it's like

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just sort of like a slap in
the face of people. And anyway,

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I was talking to this to Santist
advisor, and I do think Republicans do

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not look favorably on Donald Trump not
showing up for this debate. I don't

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think it's like the biggest issue in
the world, but I think they would

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like it, both because they like
to see him debate and also because they

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think it's like a way to show
respect for the voter. But I don't

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know what do you think about that. I don't know what people think,

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but I do know that strategically,
on paper, makes sense for him not

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to debate. He's the front runner, he's way up all that stuff.

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But you're right, I think,
especially when you have the persona of Donald

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Trump, where you're you're sitting down
with CNN, you're you know, you're

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talking to all these other people,
but yet you're not showing up for a

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debate with the people like Desanta say, you're constantly mocking. I think it

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probably reflects poorly on him. I
don't think it's going to be that important,

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but maybe, you know, maybe
it's the start of something for one

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of these candidates if they have a
really good showing well. And just to

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put a bow on this with Trump, I totally understand why both he and

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Biden are not debating. That's like
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You don't It's very high risk,
very low reward to go into a debate

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when you're in that position in the
polls. So I get why they're not

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doing it. But I will say
that Donald Trump in twenty fifteen and twenty

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sixteen, it was a site to
behold to watch him pick off each contender

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one by one. I mean,
it was exhilarating. It was like watching

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you know, NFL playoffs or something
like that. He was like, what's

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he going to do? How's he
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How's he going to do it with
that one? And it was a big

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step on his way to unifying the
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that year, and then in twenty
twenty, his campaign worked very hard to

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not have any semblance of a primary
challenge, which I understand why they did

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that, but he had not done
a debate since that masterful Hillary Clinton debate,

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which included her calling for a proxy
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included Trump pointing out that she supports
abortion through all nine months of pregnancy and

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she couldn't deny. It was it
was like something I've kind of waited for

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for years to see someone do that. And so when he debated Biden,

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he hadn't been debating in four years, and it showed, you know,

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it did not go well for him. So I think that while I understand

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why he's not doing it, he
should also think about how when you're super

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out of practice on the debate stage, it can affect how you debate in

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the general. Yeah, I think
I think that's That's something I've written about

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it being part of a primary actually
sharpens you. I think for a general

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I will say this. We talk
about how this might hurt Donald Trump,

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but I mean, and you know
my feelings about Donald Trump in general.

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He is an impossible person to debate. He is very difficult to deal with.

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And I always liken it too at
the beginning of Rocky three. I

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don't know if you remember when Rocky
fights was his name Thunderlips? Who is

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Hulk Hogan? It's because you know, and I noticed this with Rubio and

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Cruising. All these people who try
to fight him or try to sort of

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debate like he debates, right,
they can't do it. They know one

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set of rules of political rules of
how you debate, and Donald Trump will

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just pick you up and throw you
out of the ring right like. He

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does not play by the rules.
He will insult you, he will act

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in a way that these people can't
and you can't debate like him, and

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you can't debate against it. So
my point is Donald Trump could show up

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at this debate if he did,
and completely decimate De Santis, right,

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or completely decimate Tim Scott. That
could just as easily happen. So maybe

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maybe this isn't a bad way for
those people to be able to debate in

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a normal way without him around.
I actually think it's a huge gift to

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De Santis and the other candidates to
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debate stage. I think it's going
to be it's gonna be work both ways.

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Can I just I want to say, I'm in a weird moods.

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I'm going to say something favorable,
not favorable, But like, I actually

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think Joe Biden did mimic Trump in
that first debate. He was belligerent,

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he was shouty, he was yelling. It was a little weird and off

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putting. He had a huge assistants
huge assist from the moderator who would say

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things like, mister president, nobody
cares about the Biden family corruption. Could

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we move on to things that matter? Like gotcha question on whether you're a

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white nationalist? You know? So
he had a huge assist. But Biden

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actually did kind of thunderlips. Yeah. It was like two old men arguing

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over soup. And I was awful. Yeah, those were the worst.

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But I have to say, and
I think we underestimate, or at least

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some people underestimate that the entertainment value
of Donald Trump on a debate stage,

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especially in those primaries. Those were
fun to watch. There's no other way

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around it, right, Like you
could be a lot of people were disgusted

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by the things maybe he said or
didn't say, but they were fun to

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watch, and I bet you the
ratings were through the re afraid of those

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debates. Absolutely true. It's also
true that you don't have to be Donald

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Trump and when a debate meaning like
I remember excellent debate performances such as those

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of Ronald Reagan, or I thought
New Gingrich was amazing in twenty twelve,

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which was another one of these like
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was deft and quick, and I
still remember some of the things he said.

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So I would hope that other people
would take advantage of this opportunity to

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hone their skills to make the case
for themselves. One thing I thought about

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Ronda Santis and I'm not criticizing the
way he rolled out his campaign because I

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don't even know if there's a way
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But normally, when you when you
introduce your campaign, you do an

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actual introduction where you kind of explain
the narrative of who you, who you

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are, what your campaign is going
to be. And because President Trump started

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attacking him before he even won reelection, there was this false narrative set about

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him on actually being such a great
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the throes of the establishment or those
types of things. And then when DeSantis

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did finally enter, he did it. You know, he did it in

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the Twitter spaces. He did it
with the interview with David sax. I

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actually enjoyed what he said in the
interview and stuff like that, but it

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wasn't a traditional roll out where you
explain to the stupid reporters like who you

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are, what your case is.
And if I were him, I would

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take the opportunity tonight to sort of
reset the narrative. But I don't mean

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reset the campaign. I actually think
his case for his campaign is based on

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his effectiveness as a governor, and
that's always been the case. But he

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should he should state that tonight.
What do you think? Yeah, I

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guess I don't really know how he
I mean, he needs to do that,

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but I don't really know how much
it will help, but I will.

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You know, last week we got
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for real, and boy, it
seemed to me at least that there was

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a ton of reaction to the podcast
hast on both on Twitter and a lot

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of really thoughtful emails. Are not
going to get into all of that.

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But you know, this is obviously
what people are interested in talking about.

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And some of it had to do
with Vivic Ramaswami and the Vaque. Sorry,

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I'm gonna call him the Vague from
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And he uh, you know,
and how he has run his campaign well

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in the right way into Santis hasn't. I find that very unconvincing. I

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think I just wanted to mention something
about him for a moment. He'll he'll

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probably do well. He's a pretty
well he's very well spoken, right,

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very affluent in issues kind of but
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in that I just think he's a
stalking horse for Trump and he can basically

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say anything he wants to get attention
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without really having to have any kind
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worry about ever actually ever being president, which he will never be. And

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and so it's I think it's under
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let me just give you an example. He says things that people want to

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hear. I don't think he believes
them. He says he sort of dabbled

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in a little nine to eleven trutherism
because he thinks that's what people want to

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hear. The other day and I
see you make that face, but he

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did, and then the Atlantic released
the recordings and he did do it.

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I don't think he believes that.
I think it's just a guy who wants

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attention and says things he thinks people
would like to hear. Where he says,

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you know, let's cut off eight
Israel, which I actually agree with

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him on for different reasons, or
he says what else did he say this?

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Oh yeah, let's raise the voting
age to twenty five. Those are

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real things. He's just looking for
attention and he gets it. And with

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all these other candidates, and I
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except for DeSantis on the second tier. That just muddies the waters and helps

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Trump. I just don't see.
That's just another aspect of this. I

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want to talk about it. I
just don't see DeSantis overcoming Trump and all

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these other people who are sort of
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How do you feel about that?
I don't know. I try to be

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open minded about everything, like in
my view, actually, we're in the

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phase where the primary is over,
but the sort of like pundit class needs

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a few months to accept that,
so they're just And then also, like

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the architecture built up around each candidate
has a lot of money to spend,

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so you're going to see like strong
bursts in the next couple of months for

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different way you think the primary is
over, Well, I don't know how

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to explain what I'm saying, so
forgive me, But as I said,

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I'm open minded to any possibility,
and I do mean by that any possibility.

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I learned in twenty fifteen and twenty
sixteen that both what I think and

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what I want are not completely relevant
to what's gonna what's going to happen,

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So I don't think it's like my
job to figure out everything. I think

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it's my job to kind of observe
and listen to people and accurately convey what

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they think. Yes, when I
look, I think back to twenty fifteen

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and how shocking it was when Trump
won the primary, but how it really

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shouldn't have been. You know,
he would be leading in all these polls

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and we'd all be like, but
I mean, he's not going to win

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the primary, So who's really going
to win the primary, and you look

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back and you go, oh,
you know, actually, we probably should

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have been seeing this a lot earlier. And so likewise these are massive.

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So there's the polling, which I
don't totally trust polling, but the polling

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is massive for Trump versus the other
candidates. But more than that, when

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you think about like the theory of
the case, it's hard for anyone.

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It's what I've always thought about the
Santists, America's best governor and a great

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man. It's always like hard to
actually make the case for taking Trump off

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the field without also losing the voters
that you need, not just for the

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for the It's hard to make things
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the You know, Yeah, it's
a very tough spot. But it is

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way too early, I would say, I mean it's before Labor Day.

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Yeah, I mean, I I
don't know what's gonna bean, I don't

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know what's going to happen, and
I suspect Trump will probably win, but

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I I mean, things change if
you go back and other presidential elections,

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things change all the time. I
think that this election has a still a

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problem to twenty fifteen to twenty fifteen
primaries, and that there are many different

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options to Trump. Trump is a
very definite. He has a definitive point

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of view, and people who like
him like him for who he is.

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With these other candidates are kind of
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they don't engender the same site type
of loyalty, right, So having so

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many of them, it was like
Crew, all these people sort of like

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Cruise and Ruby and all those guys
were running. If you're gonna be Trump,

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there needs to be one other choice
for people to see. It can't

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be a bunch of different people who
basically meld into one in the eyes of

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a lot of I think voters.
I just think that that's a problem also

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for for DeSantis, that there's so
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code Carter. I met with someone
last week who was telling me this story

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about the the sorry Kavanaugh nomination.
So, when Trump nominated Kavanaugh, this

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guy knew that there was like a
short list of four or five people,

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and he felt that of that shortlist, Kavanaugh was not just his least favorite,

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but like he really really did not
like him. I kind of thought

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he was a Bush era squish.
All the other candidates would have been better.

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And when Trump picked Kavanaugh, he
was like, Okay, well,

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let's see how that, you know, let's see how that goes. And

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he was completely checked out, didn't
really care until the moment the Washington Post

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launched their info op against Brett Kavanaugh, calling him a serial gang rapist who

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was roaming the streets of suburban Maryland. And at that moment, the man

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switched from completely apathetic about the nomination
or the confirmation battle into, as he

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put it, he was willing to
take a bullet to make sure this guy

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got on the court. And he
was telling this story as it related to

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his feelings about the Republican primary.
So, like a few months ago,

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he's a huge fan of Rhonda Santis
and really likes him, and he thinks

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that when it comes to actual articulation
of conservative principles balanced with the action that

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a lot of Republicans are unable to
do, it's just not even close.

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Like he really likes him. He
thinks he's in the Trump mold, but

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like without the baggage. And he
was explaining that from the moment of the

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first indictment he felt the same way
he did about the Washington Post doing what

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they did to Kavanaugh, like it's
not even an option. Now. He

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feels like, you either give up
the country and you say it's okay to

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do everything that they have done to
Donald Trump, which is not okay,

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and you unite around this like it's
an existential threat to the country. What

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the Democrats at the Department of Justice
in the New York Alvin Bragg office at

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the Fannie Willistory, what the Democrats
are doing to destroy our country and put

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us in a very dangerous situation is
the most important issue out there. And

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I think that different people have different
ways of looking at it, but a

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lot of people, I mean,
it's a good way to understand why with

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each indictment that the Democrats are doing
for their twenty twenty four campaign strategy,

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it unifies the Republicans more and more
about the need to save the country against

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this totalitarian nightmare that we are living
through. Well, you know, in

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twenty fifteen, I could not even
comprehend honestly why anyone would want Donald Trump

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to be president. But over the
since then, I have come to sympathize

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and understand why people support Donald Trump
because their enemy is how can I say,

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just as bad or worse in many
ways than the things they accused him

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of being are, and that they
feel like, you know, they're just

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constantly being abused by the system and
they need someone to fight back. My

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case would be, if I was
de santist, that he is not the

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right person to do that, even
though he is a victim. And obviously

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that is an incredibly difficult case to
make in this environment, especially by the

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way, when not only does Trump
benefit from being basically an incumbent, but

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he benefits on purpose or not from
from from sucking all the attention of the

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media all the time, whether it's
negative, what's always negative, right,

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But that negativity steals, you know, gets people all worked up to defend

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them, like you just basically explained. And I totally sympathize with that instinct,

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I really do. But I just
I still don't think that's what would

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be best for the country. And
that's just my position. I mean,

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I just don't feel like I have
to give my loyalty to any politician,

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even a victim, when there are
other people who might be better and more

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competent and more articulate in leading you
in the right way. And I don't

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love a lot of what Ron de
Santis is about anymore, but I still

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think that he meets all those criteria. Yeah, And I think I actually

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think this is what primaries are for. And it's healthy to kind of litigate

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some of these issues, not litigate, you know, like made and persuade.

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And that's why I am kind of
looking forward to seeing this debate tonight.

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I'm curious how many people are really
stuck in that dead like Romney w

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Paul Ryan kind of phase of operations
still, and how many people are articulating

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a politically palatable message that that you
know, keeps those principles that the Republican

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Party has had for so long alive
in a way that connects with voters.

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So people have to be realistic.
There is no appetite for Nicky Haley in

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this country. I don't understand what
she's running. Like Listen, even if

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I agreed with everything when she was
saying, I would be I would clearly

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understand, like you said before,
that there that that reality tells me there

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is no appetite on the Republican in
the Republican Party for a kind of you

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know, two thousand and five Neo
Khan, you know, insider type,

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whatever you want to call it.
Tim Scott is well, I just don't

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think there's much of an appetite there
for him. Who else is running,

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who else is on that debate stage. I just want to say about Nicki

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Haley that I think that people who
know her policies well don't love her,

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but there is some appeal she has
with a lot of normi Republican voters,

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and she's actually a really politically savvy
person. She played twenty sixteen better than

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almost any other establishment figure, and
she wrote that into this like un position

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that helped her make the case that
she's like a legitimate presidential contender. I

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think her time is not going to
go well. She's obviously not pulling very

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well, but she does. She
does well on debate stages. She does

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well in question and answer things you
had said that you think she has like

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this sing songy voice that is something
I now cannot escape every time I hear

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her. It's like, I think
about what you said there, but I

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think a lot of people actually love
the sound of her voice and love the

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way that she answers questions with that
way of going back and forth. You

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know, everything you said, it's
true. I think she's formidable person,

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right, I don't. I just
I just don't. I don't. I

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disagree with some other stuff she says. Well, I just don't think there's

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any appetite for her for her type
of politics right now. And that's just

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the reality of it. As you
know. I don't like what's going on

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in the Republican Party, but that
but there's a reality you have to wrestle

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with and deal with. People vote, and this is, you know,

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a democratic name. Let me say
that about the Bake then too. And

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I understand I don't understand him completely. I did get the opportunity to meet

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with him fairly recently, and he's
a very open person, Like he told

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it was a group of a diverse
group of reporters who were there, and

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he said, everything's on the record, and I don't do you know,

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off the record type stuff, and
he I'd asked him a little bit about

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his background, and he does seem
to be someone who's brilliant at so many

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different things, you know, whether
it's the law or tech investments, you

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know, biotech investments or you know. He even got bored at one point

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and learned how to do comedy,
which will probably serve him very well on

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the debate stage. And there's also
something weird about it, right, Like

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he does seem to change rather regularly. But I think it's funny when people

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act like it's weird to position one's
self in a way that is politically palatable,

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Like that's kind of what politics is. It's the art of leading.

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Cannot be done if you are not
in sync with the people you are attempting

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to lead, and we act like
it's like really corrupt to be aware of

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that. But I think that's actually
just what all politicians who are good at

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their jobs do, and it's also
what all politicians who are you know,

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harming the country do. But it's
I just think it's weird that you get

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angry about it. It's it's the
people's will. I'm their leader. I

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must follow them. I don't,
don't, That's what I was saying.

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No, I know, But what
you're saying is that obviously you have to

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make yourself palatable to a majority of
people. Or whatever in each state to

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win an election. But but that's
not true. It is true, actually,

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but it's not true in the way
I think that you just said it.

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I mean, you can or the
way he acts. The thing the

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vague. The thing is, you
can bring new ideas to people. You

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can convince them to think differently about
the world. You can be honest about

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where you're coming from your is he
a billionaire? I don't even know that.

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You're a successful person. Yeah.
Yeah, you don't have to pretend

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to be among the masses, you
can. You know, Donald Trump doesn't

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even do that. He doesn't,
he doesn't. He just connects with working

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class people. I think, I, yeah, go on here, I

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just have to interrupt. Sorry.
When he was telling I'd asked him to

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tell the story about like starting out
when you're fifteen, kind of tell us

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your life story. And he was, I forget which Ivy League school he

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went to, and then he was
at this hedge fund. But he was

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a little bored, and so he
decided to go to law school. But

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the hedge fund was like, you
can still do your hedge funding stuff.

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You just get like a smaller portfolio
or whatever. He's like, and that

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actually went really well. And I
said, is that is that when you

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made your money? And he was
like, oh, no, no,

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no, He's like, well,
I did make five billion in law school,

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but that's not where I made my
money because like then I finished law

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school blah blah blah. And I'm
like, how many people can say they

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made five million billion dollars in law
school and then he started his own biotech

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focused thing where he made a good
zillion dollars. But he's a really impressive

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guy in many ways, and I
feel like, actually he's wasting his talent

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in some way. I think he
wants to be like secretary of something in

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the Trump administration. But I think
he's wasting his talent because he's a type

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of guy who could actually fuse the
kind of populist speak and good policy and

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stuff, rather than chasing crowds around
trying to make them like him. Think

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about Abraham Lincoln, who saved the
Republic. I just had I was giving

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a speech in Richmond, and one
of my kids and I went to the

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Civil War Museum, and you know, obviously a lot of Lincoln stuff there,

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and you look at all the things
he said, some of which are

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actually kind of contradictory over the course
of his political career, but which were

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done with an eye toward preserving the
republic. And even though he for instance,

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he knew at that time and said
publicly earlier in his career eloquently he

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spoke about the evils of slavery,
but in the course of running for president

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or whatnot, he was saying things
in such a way as to try to

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pick the most republic preserving incremental approach
to getting rid of slavery. And you

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could say he's finding out where the
people are and letting them lead, or

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you could think he actually knew where
he wanted to take the country, but

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he couldn't do it if he weren't
elected, you know, senator or president

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or you know. So he's you
understand what I'm saying, Like, yeah,

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I hear what you're saying about more
nuanced discussion. Yeah, I just

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I just think it's weird when we
get mad at people for I mean,

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like Chris Christie is not running for
president. He's he's like a paid operation

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of anti Republican things, and so
he's he's doing like the opposite. He's

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just trying to figure out the middle
of where the corporate media are so he

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can be every day yeah, and
tear down the party that did not,

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you know, make him president.
But I think it's more noble to actually

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try to lead. And I have
I'm not saying this about Vague. I

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don't in any way know him enough
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is the case, and in fact
I suspect it's not. But I think

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it's more noble to actually position yourself
so that you will continue to be able

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to have a voice to take people
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a politician tell people something they don't
want to hear at least once, and

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all the things they're saying, I
can't really trust them that much. I

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know that sounds weird, but I
need to hear, like, listen,

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this is going to be hard.
We're going to have to do X,

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Y and Z to get to this
place. You can't just have everything you

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want, whatever it is. But
no one does that anymore. And you

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know, I'm not Joe Biden doesn't
do that. I mean, everyone's a

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populous to some extent if they're in
politics. I get that. But anyway,

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I think it'll be interesting to see
what happens in this debate, but

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I don't know that it's going to
matter in the big picture very much.

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Is basically, yeah, well,
let's keep on going through a few more

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people. Though. I am sad
that that that guy who claims to be

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the North Dakota governor got a basketball
injury, because I was really excited to

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see. I also kind of like
every time I do see a quote from

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him or something like, I kind
of like what he's saying and he does

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seem it makes me very sad and
angry. That the Republican Party doesn't seem

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to care about fiscal responsibility anymore,
and he does seem too, so I'm

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hoping he makes it. He was
playing basketball with the staff and tore his

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a cl or something. I don't
know. I don' understand. Again,

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00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,079
I tore my muscle on my leg
and I had it just like a cast

410
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:52,000
thing on it. I don't understand
why he can't participate in a debate.

411
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,519
Were you standing on it for three
hours? Well, give will give him

412
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:59,799
some kind of stool. Doug Bergham
is his name? Who else? If

413
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:03,640
I'm debate stage. Actually I forgot
about that. Mike Pence also seemingly running

414
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:08,119
more for board positions for himself or
for his top staff, rather than an

415
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:15,319
actual belief that he has any political
future. It's actually like sad to watch

416
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:21,839
that. Well. Yes, oh, Tim Stohnson, Tim Scott. I

417
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,000
like Tim Scott fine. I mean
I like him totally fine, although he

418
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:30,119
has not been great on judges,
which which is one of my pet issues.

419
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,799
But he did not do well during
those interviews at the Iowa you know,

420
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:41,319
the Iowa launched to the Caucuses.
He was unimpressive, So I'm curious

421
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,279
how well he'll do or if he's
going to work on that, he has

422
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,079
a big campaign more chess, so
hopefully they invested a little bit in some

423
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:53,400
debate prep. And then Asa Hutchinson
also not impressive, right or what do

424
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,240
you think? No, I mean, I don't know anything about him other

425
00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:59,480
than I mean, I know who
he is. I've read about him,

426
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:03,759
but I don't have been impressed by
him. He's also running for the highly

427
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:10,079
funded never trumpist like super never Trump
iss Lane, and I don't think I

428
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:14,119
think Chris Christie has that cornered and
so he should just recognize that Chris Christie

429
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,839
is such a fraud. He was
the first person to surrender to Trump and

430
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,640
stand there like completely complete submission,
ready to be in the If Trump had

431
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,119
given him a spot in the administration, he would he would have been a

432
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,079
loyalist. I mean, he pretends
to be this, you know, I

433
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:30,920
don't know. He's such a fraud
and he's such a disappointment. I have

434
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,960
to say, because I actually quite
liked him David originally when he was New

435
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,640
Jersey governor or the waste up to
unions, Why you weren't a fan?

436
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:45,599
Talking twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen,
It was just nice. I guess you

437
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,519
know. I'm a social conservative who
cares about the Constitution. Do you think

438
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:53,319
I like Chris Christie. I don't
know the guy who stood on the beach

439
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:59,640
with Barack Obama to make sure he
would win reelection. I'm not a huge

440
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Chris christyphian. Yeah, you know. I don't have a poster of him

441
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,000
on my wall. I'm not a
guy who got Trump to put in Chris

442
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:12,599
Ray, and after all of the
disaster of the FBI and Department of Justice

443
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,880
was defending Chris Ray like yesterday.
No, I'm not a Chris Chris Stephen.

444
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,759
Let's get off this topic. I
don't like where this is going.

445
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,440
Are there other people that we forgot? I I would feel very badly if

446
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,000
we foresaid Mike penns right, yep, and Chris Christy, Nicki Haley,

447
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:32,759
Tim Scott's no, that's it,
okay. Do you think do you think

448
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:38,359
Donald Trump is going to debate in
the primary? Ever? I don't know.

449
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,680
He Again we referenced how you should
never debate when you're that far ahead

450
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:49,480
from a political science standpoint, but
he frequently does things he's not supposed to

451
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:57,960
do. So the fact that he
probably shouldn't in the numbers sense, I

452
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,440
mean he does, the fact that
he should do it just out of respect

453
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:06,640
or for practice might mean he continues
not to do it. I think what

454
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,160
people really want is sort of accountability
to the voters. And so if he

455
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,799
is able to demonstrate that in some
other way, like I think he might

456
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,240
be doing an interview at the same
time that I heard it was recorded in

457
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:22,359
the Wall Street Journal. So if
that happens, like maybe that mitigates the

458
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:27,920
problem of him not showing up.
Hey, Molly, did you see that

459
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,119
that dude who sings in his driveway
has a new song. If by sings

460
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,160
in his driveway you mean sings on
his farm with the dogs in the background.

461
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,920
Yeah, And you mean Oliver Anthony, the guy with the number one

462
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,960
song in the country right now?
That guy. Yes, I did.

463
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,599
But it's like we're on the brink
of World War three or something, so

464
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,279
I thought that, like that right
down your alley, that song, it's

465
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:54,039
not really about actual World War three, it's more about like personal it's a

466
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:59,200
much more like spiritual song. When
I heard the very first song, I

467
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,200
went down and Oliver anthony rabbit hole, where I listened to like all of

468
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,920
the YouTube cell phone videos he had
recorded. And you know, he's not

469
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:14,079
a trained or he's like not a
produced singer. These are not produced songs.

470
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:16,079
But I actually really liked many of
them. And you know, a

471
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:20,960
lot of the songs are dealing with
like trying to become sober or you know,

472
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:24,519
just personal problems. I do love
Richmond North of Richmond. I think

473
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:29,679
that's a great song, but I
also just like the more personal stories about

474
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,079
personal trials and tribulations. As you
know, because you know me for a

475
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:36,760
while, I'm very uncomfortable when everyone
is agreeing with me or whatever. So

476
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,480
I like to just drop a couple
of insults on that in that front,

477
00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:43,239
just on Twitter, just to get
people all worked up and yelling at me

478
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,599
when things are too placid. So
I did not like this new song either

479
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,400
at all. But you know,
let's sorry, we got so much.

480
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,480
So I got so much angry mail
on Twitter stuff on that in that conversation.

481
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:58,440
But I have to say there was
some thoughtful stuff on what he was

482
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,679
actually talking about, and I changed
my I mind a bit about that on

483
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:06,519
that first song Richmond North of Richmond, and I think it did have more

484
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:10,239
of a and I use this word
very loosely a libertarian feel in the sense

485
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,840
of just wanting to be left alone. Now I still don't like all of

486
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:20,719
it, but I take back my
initial sort of criticism of that song,

487
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,960
though not my criticism of the virtue
signaling by everyone else, but the song

488
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,840
itself. I don't want to blame
that guy, and I'm happy for a

489
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,159
success. I like to see people
succeed without having to go through the normal

490
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,800
you know, big label channels and
stuff like that in music. So good

491
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,000
for him. Yeah, I hope
it goes well, and I hope his

492
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:44,800
songwriting craft is able to be honed. I was going to say something,

493
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:49,159
dang, oh that email that you
got from the person saying that it was

494
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,000
actually a very punk song. Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That

495
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,440
was actually kind of an interesting point. It's not punk in many ways and

496
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:01,280
sound, but it is it has
a punk ethos about it. I mean,

497
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,719
I've always to me growing up and
liking punk rock and stuff like that.

498
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,400
To me, it was very due
it yourself. It was very anti

499
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:13,000
state and things like that, anti
authority, and then it punks became like

500
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:16,440
hippie is later on, where they're
just like leftist to want more state and

501
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:19,800
more, you know, being told
what to do and all on me,

502
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,280
So it never made much sense to
me. So yeah, I definitely think

503
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,320
that there's sort of a I would
call it more like an indie quality to

504
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,599
what we would have called like indie
quality to it, right, And it's

505
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:31,679
kind of amazing the revel not to
get too deeply into this, but the

506
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,719
revolution and music making where people can
just stand literally in front of their farm

507
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:37,719
and make a song and have it
be a number one hit. That's an

508
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:45,559
amazing democratic way of of doing art. So that's nice. Let's talk about

509
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:52,079
Yeah, well, is okay to
talk a little bit about that. You

510
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,000
are the editor in chief of this
website about whatever you want, whenever you

511
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:59,679
want. You are the boss man
of the show. So but I do

512
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,920
think it's interesting since the Department of
Justice and other Democrats campaign strategy for twenty

513
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:13,679
four is this war on Republicans,
it also is their strategy to suppress and

514
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,880
hide all of the story of their
own corruption and the Biden family corruption.

515
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:24,000
And you wrote a piece on just
how deeply alarming like everything we're learning about

516
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:30,440
Weiss, the guy who was supposed
to be holding the Biden family business partners

517
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:37,960
accountable who instead let all of the
statue deplimentations run out while he was pretending

518
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,960
to do anything. And I wonder
if you have any thoughts on that.

519
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:47,039
Yes, I do have some thoughts, Molly Funny you should ask it should

520
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:51,480
be I want to just preface all
this by saying that, well, what

521
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,480
everyone needs to remember, and probably
most people know, is that there's no

522
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:58,480
reason on earth for Merrick Garland to
name David Weiss's special consul. He has

523
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,800
already by his own admission, even
though he might be lying, being given

524
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:08,000
the power to bring charges in any
jurisdiction he wants, and to invest take

525
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:13,320
the investigation in any direction he wants. That's literally what the power he's now

526
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,960
supposedly given. This is just a
a near of credibility to pretend that this

527
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:22,400
is a real investigation. It's not. And what we learn this week,

528
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,800
and I think is the most important
point, is that what you know that

529
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:30,280
the charge that sweetheart deal that he
brought, that the judge blew up,

530
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,199
which is unprecedented, right like literally, also I keep saying literally, I

531
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:37,920
hate that, but it is unprecedented
to judge. I forgot her name,

532
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:44,440
Norika, I think or something asked
to DJ to give her an example of

533
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,239
a precedent where immunity was given in
a future case, you know, another

534
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,920
case, a future crime that had
nothing to do with what they're you know,

535
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,599
the crime in question, and they
could not come up but with a

536
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:59,679
single one. So it is literally
it is unprecedented. That sweetheart deal was

537
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,599
day a, weis getting tough with
Hunter Biden. New York Times has gotten

538
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:10,000
their hands on a bunch of emails
or all the emails between the prosecutors and

539
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,559
the Hunter camp, the alleged prosecutors. I think they're more like co conspirators.

540
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:20,039
And it was clear that Weiss was
not going to bring any charges until

541
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:25,719
the two IRS agents whistleblowers testified in
front of Congress. So imagine that the

542
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,840
sweetheart deal that even some you know, left wing pundans we're kind of surprised

543
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:39,639
at, was him getting tough.
So that is an amazing thing to learn.

544
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:43,159
And you really have to dig deep
into that New York Times piece to

545
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,239
figure it out. But you know
what, they did report it, so

546
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:45,800
we have to give them credit.
And no, no, no, no,

547
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,679
no, you do have to give
them credit. Sorry, we did

548
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,760
this through out of the Russia.
Collusion hoax. You know, the the

549
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,360
left wing press like the New York
Times and Washington Post have this advantage.

550
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:01,920
The FBI and Department of Justice just
illegally give them all sorts of things,

551
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:06,960
right, and they would write it
up. Mostly what they were doing was

552
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,119
trying to get ahead of really bad
information that was about to come out,

553
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:15,079
and so they don't get credit.
Like obviously this was a ruse to try

554
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:21,119
to kind of lay the groundwork for
you know, sort of like actually,

555
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,320
the environment of justice is being mean
the hunter. And so then good reporters

556
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,960
like our Margo Cleveland or like Jonathan
Turley dug through it and saw what was

557
00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:32,239
really going on, and they were
like, wow, they were sitting on

558
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:39,559
explosive stories that they absolutely buried in
order to push out these false narratives.

559
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,880
But anyway, going no, I
mean that's right. I mean we also

560
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:52,119
learned by the way that Weiss work
closely with bo Biden on cases that he

561
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,000
was friendly, which doesn't make him
corrupt, but it does make him completely

562
00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:00,079
ill suited. Yeah, it's completely
compromised and well. Washington Examiner also looked

563
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:07,599
into the into the then other prosecutors
and lawyers who worked on the Hunter Biden

564
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:09,679
case, and I think seven of
them had given to Democratic cause as a

565
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,440
Democratic candidate. That is also you
know, those people are also compromised.

566
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:20,000
So as David Weiss, the only
person in America can take on this job,

567
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,559
is the only prosecutor, the only
lawyer. I mean, it's kind

568
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:29,800
of outrageous. So I'm sorry.
The only plausible reason that Garland could name

569
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:35,440
this person is because this person has
already protected Joe Biden from this investigation and

570
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,679
that he plans to do it in
the future. I mean, people keep

571
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:44,519
saying that that Weiss was nominated by
Donald Trump, so there's no way he

572
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,760
could ever do anything to protect Biden. That's ridiculous. First of all,

573
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,400
as I mentioned in the piece,
I think that's a show's projection on their

574
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:59,000
part on how they view judges actions
and or prosecutors actions as just an exertion

575
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,760
of political power. But moreover,
what does that mean. Weiss has been

576
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,519
around a long time and he would
never have become a gotten to this position

577
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:10,480
of Democrats in Delaware had backed up, so and I just have to look

578
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:14,519
at his actions, and I just
have to look at the way he's been

579
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:21,760
compromised. Last thing, the Special
counsels and investigate going back forever exists because

580
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,760
you don't want to have conflicts of
interest that have to do with the governing

581
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:30,159
process normally or the prosecutorial process.
And this is literally the most compromised person

582
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,840
you could come up with for this
investigation. And this is the person he

583
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,679
names. Anyway, it is.
It's probably obvious to a lot of people

584
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,320
who are listening to this podcast,
but I just and I don't know how

585
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,440
to break through and convince people who
don't pay attention how important this is and

586
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,480
how corrupt this is, I guess
is why. I I will say I

587
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,880
was talking with our excellent senior legal
correspondent, Marco Cleveland, who's been on

588
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,960
top of all of this story longer
than anyone. I was just going through,

589
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,440
like her catalog of work really July
of last year. I mean she

590
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,679
was on it well before that,
but beginning July last year is when she

591
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:10,039
started to expose corruption at the US
Attorney's office in Delaware. And I was

592
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:14,559
telling her I loved her piece today, which goes through things that I don't

593
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:16,800
think people realize about the Hunter Biden
play agreement. I think everybody thought it

594
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,719
was dead technically it's not dead yet, And she was going through like the

595
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,000
significance of that, and also like
just little things like the judge said,

596
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:30,519
why didn't you charge for lying on
the form to get the gun. That's

597
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:35,440
the normal way that people go after
these things. She's like pointing out that

598
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,639
the way they went after Hunter was
actually the less constitutionally valid way, which

599
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:44,679
is sort of related to the fact
that he's an addict. Because the Founders

600
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,320
never kept you, like alcoholics,
from getting guns. It's a constitutionally weak

601
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,639
way to go after people. But
they do definitely believe you don't lie on

602
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,320
federal forms. And so since Hunter
Biden lied on his federal form to get

603
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,760
that gun by saying that he was
not a user of drugs or alcohol when

604
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,719
he was like literally using at the
time he filled out the form, she

605
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,719
thought that was weird that they didn't
go after him for that. And I

606
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,039
just quickly say, I want to
stress that's an amazing point she made there,

607
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:15,639
because the way they went after him
is very rickety, right, Like

608
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,199
it may be overturned in the Supreme
Court very soon. You can't just stop

609
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,239
someone from having a gun because they're
an addict or whatever. But lying on

610
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,800
the form that's a completely different story. So that's a good point and thought

611
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,840
about before. And just like another
example of how shockingly corrupt this Department of

612
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,880
Justice is. It's like brazen in
your face, and it makes you feel

613
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,000
scared when you see it. But
as I was talking to her about it,

614
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,039
I was like, it's scary how
bad the situation is, and she

615
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,199
said she felt absolutely the same way. I think a lot of people like

616
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,679
Margot, who is a permanent clerk
for a federal judge for like decades,

617
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:57,079
they have a lot of respect for
our system, and seeing what the Department

618
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:01,559
of Justice has done to itself and
to the country is deeply alarming. I

619
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:08,519
keep thinking about Durham's reports saying no
new laws or regulations are needed at the

620
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:14,639
Department of Justice. What is needed
are people who actually care about being ethical.

621
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:19,920
It's a sacrifying it's here is why
it's a problem also, and I'm

622
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,199
not blaming these people, but there
are a lot of people in the right

623
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,039
who are like, you know what, we're going to take over these institutions

624
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:28,840
and we'll do the same thing to
you, or you know, state level

625
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,760
prosecutors should do the same thing to
you, And yeah, maybe they should.

626
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:37,000
But what that leads to is an
is a ratcheting up of kind of

627
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:43,559
abuse that is going to be really
horrifying. Did you see the DC prosecutor.

628
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,000
I've got someone in DC's going after
Leonard Leo and the you know,

629
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:52,639
the former Federal Federalist Society guy.
I mean, this is just complete weaponization

630
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:58,320
of institutions of justice. It is. It's really scary. The hack propagandist

631
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:00,639
at Politico who wrote that up.
So I have to be more clear since

632
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:05,920
I mentioned now a Heidi Prisbella.
That was some of the worst reporting I've

633
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,599
ever seen in my life. It
was all like Leonard Leo has done things

634
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:14,679
that my friends don't like, so
he's bad. And the last line was

635
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:20,639
like about Arabella Advisors, which would
be like the Federalist Society and Leonard Leo

636
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:25,360
groups times about a million. And
the way she described Arabella, which is

637
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:30,760
funneling money from actual foreigners to take
over our elections and do all sorts of

638
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,119
other things like attack the legitimacy of
the Supreme Court, or as the New

639
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:38,840
York Times put it, I think
like reimagined as as one of these donors

640
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,199
kids put it, he wants to
these foreign people want to reimagine the US

641
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:50,079
constitution so like actual republic destructive stuff. And she said Arabella is a charity

642
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:55,079
that helps puppies and supports apple Pie
and mothers. Anyway, she is one

643
00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:00,320
of the most incompetently dishonest reporters out
there. I mean, like, there

644
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,880
are many reporters who are dishonest but
good at it. She's just a joke.

645
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,400
I've I don't know how many times
we had to debunker stuff. It's

646
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:14,199
just terrible. But and she's rewarded
by Politico. Like it's not just her,

647
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,960
it's that Politico saw what she did
and they wanted that. In the

648
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,159
same way, Mark wrote a piece
for US Today about the Washington Post hiring

649
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:30,880
that Axios reporter who was sleeping literally
with a Biden official while she was covering

650
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:37,000
the campaign, and they just made
her their opinion editor. And they did

651
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,079
that because they want that kind of
ethics. You know, people get really

652
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:45,719
mad at who's that crazy lady that
used to be at Commentary, you know,

653
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,800
Jennifer Ruben, Jennifer rub They get
mad at her because she you know,

654
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,039
she'll go She'll write like tens of
thousands of words in praise of Mitt

655
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:57,400
Romney in the pro life position,
and then when she changes parties she does

656
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,280
the exact opposite. But again it's
not her fault, like she's crazy,

657
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:06,280
that's just that's just who she is. The Washington Post said, we want

658
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,800
that, we want that to be
our bird brand. So bad reporters and

659
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,159
columnists are bad, but like,
what's really bad our institutions that say,

660
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:20,360
what would harm the country this kind
of discourse. Let's amplify that. But

661
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,159
you know what they do. I
would say that, listen, you want

662
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,199
to you want a columnist who's nuts, go for it. But your reporters

663
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:28,559
shouldn't be that way, however,
and then they'll, like, you know,

664
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:31,480
they they they blur the line between
the two, like a Philip Bump,

665
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:35,400
for instance, who we constantly bring
up on this show. He is

666
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:38,519
presented not as some op ed calumnists, but a person analyzing the news,

667
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:43,719
giving you deeper contacts on the news. And it's just complete nonsense. But

668
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,519
anyway, I don't know, I
feel like one thing that bothers me.

669
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,320
I mean, you should have smart
columnists. If you can't, it's a

670
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,760
good way to go for well,
I'd say, whether or not you're whether

671
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,800
or not you're putting a little or
a lot of opinion and what you do.

672
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,440
You should be fact driven. You
should have factual reporting. I mean,

673
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:05,679
we move stories forward not because we
have opinions about like how bad the

674
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,239
world is, but because we discover
and highlight facts that can be used by

675
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,559
people to hold people accountable and give
context to stories as important. You just

676
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,840
have to be facts. I would
love to know of a single person at

677
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,679
the Post who's not an opinion writer. I can't think of a single one.

678
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,920
Might some might be called opinion writers
and some might not be called opinion

679
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,079
writers. They're all opinion writers.
Yeah, Okay, well, Molly,

680
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:37,119
I think we should wrap up the
political section political portion of this podcast and

681
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,239
get to some cultural stuff. I
will say I haven't done much. I

682
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:44,000
was driving my kids back to college
across the United States on a very very

683
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:46,199
long drive. I actually enjoy the
drive to some extent, getting to see

684
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:49,599
the country, getting out there.
I'm a populist, as you know.

685
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,880
I like to a man of the
people. Yeah, I'm a man of

686
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,199
people. Like to see what's going
on in the middle of America. I

687
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:07,039
did watch a movie called geez Asteroid
City by Wes Anderson Extino Movies. I

688
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:09,199
think we had a review of that
that was not good. I mean the

689
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:12,800
review said it was didn't love it. I didn't hate it. I mean

690
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,199
it's so stylized. It's really a
director just wants to put plays on it

691
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,719
seems to me. And but you
know, it's interesting to look at,

692
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,559
and it was good enough. I
you know, I loved his first movie,

693
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:27,840
Bottle Rockets or Bottle Rocket I forget. I loved Rushmore. I liked

694
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,360
a lot of his movies, but
I feel like he's kind of in a

695
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:37,480
weird rot maybe stylistically, I don't
know. And so I found myself slightly

696
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:39,119
bored. But it was okay.
It's got like a million famous people in

697
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:45,800
it. It was all right.
How about you? I rewatched one of

698
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:51,280
my favorite movies and definitely my favorite
soundtrack, which is done by Ennil Moore

699
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,960
Coney. But the movie is the
Mission? Have you seen that? Oh?

700
00:50:54,039 --> 00:51:00,280
Yeah, don't say Robert de Niro
And who's that guy? Was the

701
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,360
other guy? The English guy who
was the best Jeremy Irons, Jeremy Irons.

702
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,280
Yeah, and also very Christian movie, right, it's a very steaming

703
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:13,119
message. Yeah. Yeah, and
you know, I always really appreciated that

704
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:15,920
fact. Mark was watching it with
us, and he was also like,

705
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:22,360
oh, there's a lot of liberation
theology, which is not good theology,

706
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:28,719
but it is a very good deeply, it's just a well made movie,

707
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,960
beautifully beautiful to look at, I
remember, and just the scenery is great,

708
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,280
and obviously those actors are tremendous.
They were at the height of their

709
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,760
powers. Was this late eighties,
maybe eighty seven or something earlier or something

710
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,880
like that. Yeah, And when
we were in Nazareth this summer, we

711
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:47,119
went into the I think it's a
basilica or something of the Annunciation. So

712
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:52,440
it's built on the site of where
Mary received word that she would give birth

713
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,639
to the Savior or where it's like, you know, someone sort of likely

714
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,960
or quite possible. Now, one
thing that makes me ad is that it's

715
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,880
like this concrete, quasi monstrosity.
But I just love Mary so much and

716
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,079
I loved being there. And we
walked in and they were playing someone was

717
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:13,960
performing Gabriel's song, which is from
the mission, and we've played that at

718
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:19,119
my church too, and it's also
just like well done in the movie.

719
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,599
When Gabriel's song, Gabriel's obo.
That's what it's called, is introduced.

720
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:28,480
Jeremy Irons is playing playing it to
a group of people who have killed other

721
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:34,280
missionaries but do not kill him.
And so I've kind of been thinking about

722
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,519
it. And then I was in
Athens and I went to these records stores

723
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:39,840
and they had the soundtrack of the
mission there, and I'm like, Okay,

724
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,920
well I've been looking for this for
a while. So I got it

725
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,960
and played it for the kids,
and they liked it. So we decided

726
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,480
to see the movie and it really
was, you know, as good as

727
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:54,280
I remembered it being when I was
like, whenever ten when I saw it

728
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,960
the first time or something, Well, I was older. I liked it

729
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:07,199
and that so I think we wanted
to also maybe touch on you had sent

730
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,960
me. We send each other music
sometimes that we like, and you sent

731
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:13,519
me the new Public Image Limited album, which you liked quite a bit,

732
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:16,480
and I was really surprised and taken
aback by how good it was considering the

733
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:21,360
amount of time that has gone by
since they had a good album the last

734
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,239
time, you know. Yeah,
So I saw Greg Gutfeld tweeting about it,

735
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,039
saying that it was a good album, and I'd known you know,

736
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,800
we had that, We had that
excellent piece that we ran about how Johnny

737
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:36,800
Rotten showed how to do marriage right, you know, because he married this

738
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,360
woman. What they were married like
forty years or something, very long and

739
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,320
seventies and she was kind of like
I got to feeling like kind of blue

740
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,079
blood, came from money and he
was this punk rocker guy. But they

741
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,239
really matched up well, even though
she I think she's like ten years older

742
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,400
than he is or something or was. Yeah, and the last maybe seven

743
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,320
years of their marriage, she had
very bad Alzheimer's and he took he was

744
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,480
the primary caregiver, and so I'd
kind of been like following how that was

745
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:07,039
going. I knew there was a
song that he dedicated to her on that

746
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,320
album that I wanted to hear.
It's that Hawaiian one. I think it's

747
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,360
like the last track. Yeah,
but I thought it was a great album.

748
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,480
I was really glad that Greg tweeted
it out so I could see it,

749
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:22,400
and you and I were reminiscing that. Yes, pil was one of

750
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,119
our first concerts for each of us. It was my first real concert,

751
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,239
I believe. And I saw them
twice in New York in like eighty six

752
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:36,599
thirty seven, they had that album, like generic album album with anger as

753
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,719
and energy and all that stuff,
and I remember I'd love the sex Pistoles

754
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,519
a lot, and I got in
there and he was doing all the pill

755
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:44,880
songs, which was great, and
then they came after an encore and did

756
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,079
like God Say the Queen or something, and you know, it was like

757
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:50,559
the greatest moment of my life up
until then. But that was a lot

758
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:53,760
of fun. But I for me, that was probably pretty much their last

759
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,199
great album. I love Second Edition. I think it's one of like the

760
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,760
great post punk albums. But I
hadn't really paid attention to them. But

761
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,360
I put this on and I quite
enjoyed it. And I think John Lyden's

762
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,840
a really interesting guy. I've read
two of two. He's had two memoirs.

763
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:13,800
I think I've read both, and
he's from working class background and he's

764
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,639
a really smart and interesting guy.
I know people have kind of some people

765
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:20,559
are mad at him because he's like
been seen wearing a maga had and stuff

766
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:23,320
like that, but I think that's
a natural contrarian in him, and I

767
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:27,960
always kind of respect that sort of
thing. Yeah, he's going on a

768
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,679
speaking tour in the UK but not
here, and I was like, I

769
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:36,239
would go hear him here. You
should send me there to review it.

770
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,039
How would we happy to do it? Yes, Penny donors want to sponsor

771
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:50,119
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772
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,800
right, Well that's it. I
guess I have nothing else on my paper

773
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,760
here, and I hope you have
a good rest of your week. Please,

774
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,840
oh hold on, please write us
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775
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:06,800
do enjoy it at radio at the
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776
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:13,039
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