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my paranormal Closet, where the stories in magic take place. Today's guest has
been interested in the paranormal and the strange ever since her first experience at a
very young age. She enjoys spending time spiritbox investigating and journaling her family's paranoral
encounters during their time in Puerto Rico. When not writing about her experiences,
she spends time with her partner and Kat in the Pacific Northwest, and today
she's going to share some of those stories with us. Join me and welcoming
Loomyarah to the show. Welcome, Hi, How are you? Thank Thank
you so much for coming. No, I'm excited. I'm nervous, but
excited. No easy to be nervous, but just having a friendly conversation.
You mentioned you write about your experiences, so do you do it just for
pleasure like in journaling, or are you putting together a book to publish.
I have seriously been considering a book recently, just because there's so much that
I've experienced with just by myself and with friends and family members. Right now,
it is all just kind of in a journal that I keep right next
to me in my desk, just like if something new it, yeah,
if something happens, I'm like, I don't even know if you know it.
But I've published six books, so you are welcome to reach out to
me with any questions or advice or help. And once you do get that
book published, you'll have to come back on the show. You have to
promise me that absolutely, I'll come back. What was your first experience that
you had at a very young age? Good, Like, my very first
one was with a doll, and I know that's like really common, but
my ab Wela, my grandmother, she had a ton of dolls. She
was big on doll collecting. And you know, I'm terrified of dolls these
days, but I understand it. And I just got done playing with my
little sister, and the doll in our room just like kind of looked over
because it fell over and I was like, oh, that's weird, and
it blinked. It was one of those dolls that you had to set it
back and then bring it up again to blink, and that spooked me.
It also spooked my sister and we almost feel like maybe we imagined something.
Maybe twitterally nothing. Yeah, it was maybe the start of something and you
didn't realize it, but you kind of said something sort of thing. Yeah,
yeah, definitely. We actually ended up running to our mom like,
mom, Mom, why did Grandma's dolls start blinking? And she just thought
we were playing with them? And no, we were. We were playing
but not with dolls. So that that was definitely a start. And after
we experience was was only the beginning, correct, Yes, only the beginning.
And tell me about your parents and where they're from any and you know
how that because you said that, that plays a huge part in your history
and what you experienced, uh, they experienced even Yeah, we are all
from Puerto Rico. My mom is from Canovanas and my dad is from Loisa,
and two very different areas on the island. They're kind of close.
They're both i would say not well well funded places. And that's was much
worse back in the seventies and sixties, So yeah, very poor community.
Everyone did know each other. We just all kind of like talk to each
other because we didn't have anything else. And where my dad is from,
they didn't have like a road and like an actual road to it until the
eighties. So it was insane because it was so insular. Nobody could really
talk to one another outside of that interesting and any run into the Chupicapra because
you did mention THEA was prevalent in that area. Allegedly, my my dad's
cousin was one of the first witnesses. I say allegedly because he told me
the story all the time, and I was like, I don't believe you,
Like I just don't because it's such an easy thing to be like,
oh, yeah, we're related to that person. And then when my grandmother,
his mom, came to the US after Hurricane Maria, I jokingly asked
because I was like, oh, yeah, Dad said that, you know,
we're related to this person, and she's like, no, yeah,
we are. And I was like, oh, oh, I thought you
were lying all these years. Dad's like to tell stories. How was I
supposed to know that? It was like, actually, legit, I did
talk to my mother about it too, and she was like, yeah,
like I don't like your dad, but yes, that was a thing,
and I was like, okay, confirmation. Cool. I don't really like
talking about it these days more because the shift on the focus of El Tropacappras
now down more in Texas and the Southern States and you know, in Mexico
and stuff, And it's kind of awkward hearing about a family member being like,
oh, they're probably crazy. They didn't know what they were seeing,
and it just that kind of hurts, you know. Sure, well,
being a paranormal instrument is the same. You still you deal with people saying
the same thing to you. But because we have been so open about it
amongst other people too, probably the last ten years have opened that world up
to everybody that we're not really considered crazy. Still people out there they call
us crazy, but there's more of us that are outnumbering those people that call
us crazy. Yeah, which I'm thankful for because I realize, like a
lot of the stuff that people experience, and even I've experienced, like I
would easily be called crazy, but I also have experienced things when other people
were around, and those people were not related to me. So it's not
like like, yeah, please don't call me delusion, because it's it's not
like, what is it folio do something like that, This thing is gifted
in a cursal. At the same time, yeah, that is for sure.
Well do you mind telling us the tupe of Copper story? I don't
know much about it, just because what I remember was like back when my
family would watch like Univision to get news on the from the island and stuff
like that, and there was like this drawing that was like green and had
huge red eyes, and I was looking at that and I'm like, ah,
that's kind of and the spikes in the back. It was the like
an older depiction. It was colored green with like reddish eyes, and then
Spike's coming out of the back, and I remember being terrified, and my
dad was like muttering under his breath like well, yeah, of course she
saw that, and like what are you talking about? And he just he
wouldn't really tell me anything until after, like a one of those documentaries about
cryptids came out in the like I want to say it was two thousands,
which was a hot minute ago, but one of those documentaries where they interview
various people, and I believe it was one of the ones where the lovely
woman down in Texas was talking about her experiences and having like caught it and
gotten it stuffed. And then my dad was talking to me about how like
wild it is that it's crossed over so much. And then this woman comes
on to be interviewed, and obviously there's voiceover of her talking in English because
she only speaks Spanish, and he's like, oh, yeah, that's my
cousin. And I'm like woman on the TV. Yeah, And I was
just are you real? Yeah, I didn't believe him, even though he's
like, no, you can ask your mom, like she app she is
my cousin. She babysat you. And I was like, I still don't
believe you, but okay, now I don't remember her babysitting me because that
was like when I was baby baby, so yeah, a long time ago.
But it just became this like a little bit of family lore, like
this happened. Enjoy. There's a story of your mom and a lady in
the tree. So there's a lot of history on the island, a lot
of death, a lot of mistreatment from the Spanish to the indigenous population.
My mom was probably around seven years old, and her brother, which is
the youngest in the child was around five. And they had been playing outside
because there wasn't much else for them to do, and there was a lady
talking to them from the tree and she was in a white dress, very
beautiful, and my mom explicitly stated like she looked so sad and hurt,
and she asked to play with us, and if we we were like,
yeah, of course, let me go. Ask my mom to make sure
I can actually play with you, because you know, stranger nature still exists
and nowhere else where, yeah, exactly. And my grandmother was like looked
over at the tree and was like, no, you cannot talk to her.
Leave her alone, don't And my mom would not take no for an
answer. And my grandmother was like, she's dead, leave her alone.
Let her rest. And she was like she's dead, and I was like,
yeah, she's leave her alone, just and then she started praying and
I was like, okay, thanks, mom, so get me back.
Then it was kind of ignore them, don't acknowledge them kind of thing.
Yeah, And I always felt bad about that because it's not like they have
anyone who can listen, not not everyone in my mom's family was of the
opinion that you should ignore. There were people who were like, yeah,
acknowledge them, but the importance of the acknowledgment and interaction results in a peaceful
environment most of the time. Spirit oftentimes becomes mischievous when they aren't being acknowledged
because exactly they were humans in life. They're humans and death and we are
in their space. And a lot of times they don't understand why until they
do, because they do when you explain it to them exactly. Unfortunately,
like my mom did say, like, we didn't go back after that because
mom, you know, my mom kept us inside, but it didn't stop
her from like seeing various entities and just like it's hard to not experience it
there when there is a lot of history and trauma just tied to everything.
Oh sure, and somebody who's sensitive as she obviously is, it's really hard
to turn it up. You have to train yourself to do that. What
happened with you Mom's brother, Oh, he's he just kind of ignores everything
these days now. The one that passed away, Oh, I he passed
away because they went to the river. There was a river nearby. I
had a lot of rocks everyone was aware of the currents. He's a very
strong swimmer, and that day he got stuck. His ankle got stuck in
between two rocks and he ended up drowning. And the night before he was
like, you know, the only thing that sucks about heaven, mom,
is that I won't be able to have your fried chicken again, which seemed
a little silly. Like, when my mom told me this, I had
to like kind of restrain myself from laughing a bit because that's kind of a
weird thing to say. Yeah, do you think it was definitively like a
prediction. He knew he wasn't going to live very old. Yeah, and
it just it destroyed my mom because she and her older brother were very close.
That's actually how my parents met was at his funeral. My dad was
playing for the band at the funeral. Interesting, your dad had his own
experiences with spirit too, right, he did. Yeah, he does not
like talking about it too much, which is fair. He doesn't. He
feels like if he acknowledged which is it, then more is going to happen.
But when he was very young, there was a really bad storm and
there was actually lightning, which is wasn't too common. From what I understand,
on the island, and he and his sister were just kind of playing
and then this ball of light just like came in and I was like,
oh, it was probably ball lightning. Dad like it's rare, but you
know, it happens. He's like, no, that's not how this thing
interacted, Like we actually could touch it and it played with us. Intelligent?
Intelligent? Was that the one and only time he ever saw that?
That was the only time he ever saw that. You said, just offered
a cup of coffee. Now this has become your motto, so please explain.
My mother has always said, if you ever ever have a spirit or
entity that you know is bothering you too much, just give a coffee.
Just offer a cup of coffee. Say hey, I'm here, you're here,
let's have some coffee. You don't that's an acknowledgement. M Yeah,
I've said that all the time. Even if you're going into their space to
say, hey, you know, I'm sorry I have them interrupting. I
just need to grab some things, or if you're redecorating, because that's usually
a trigger too. Yeah, make them a part of it. I hope
you like what I'm doing. I'm trying to beautify the place again, keep
it up or all of those things always help. Always. Yeah, at
one point you lived in your mom's boyfriend's house and you said spirits will often
felt passing through. That was the way you put it. Did you mean
to say that you felt this was indicative of a portal of some sort.
Thinking back on it now through the years, it likely was, But back
then it was more just confusing because things as you got older and you understand
it more than you did when you were a kid, right because it there
was like a few entities there that we're always there, but most of the
time it was something new or someone new passing by, and it just felt
kind of like when am I allowed to be comfortable in my own home?
Because with new beings passing by then it was like, I don't know how
to expect to interact with you because some people, some entities are nice summer
not so nice. And it got a little rough at some points. Oh,
I believe it was an incident that occurred with your friend Serice in her
home. I want to explain that. Uh, yeah, we were around
twelve years old, so it's around eighteen years ago. Goodness, Uh.
We were in the computer room and we were just on like Gaya online and
s FOG's which is now defunct website dedicated to like pictures of ghosts and such.
We were everyone was downstairs, so siblings were downstairs. We were downstairs
and no one was upstairs, and we heard a loud thump come from the
room above us, and we kind of looked at each other like, uh,
that's weird. So we like kind of grabbed a few things to like
ourselves, yes, protect ourselves with a bag of bagels, you know,
because that'll that'll really do something. Yeah, So we go up to her
room and we see that her oak dresser has moved two feet and it is
a solid oak dresser. It requires two people on either side to like move
it even a little bit. So we just kind of looked at each other
like what And then I just saw a movement in the corner of my eye
and I looked under her bed and there was just like a girl there,
like tucked under there, and I was like yo, like hey, and
series turned saw the girl throws the bagels and we just bolt out the door.
Was she reel or was you're freezing up? Can you hear me.
I am, I'm back, I can hear now what Sorry, okay,
I said. Was she a full bodied apparition? Could you see through her?
Did you think maybe she was an elemental? She was transparent. She
was transparent. I could not see like the rest of her body, just
like at the angle that we were at, But it definitely looked like someone
was just kind of like peeking from under the bed. He was trying to
get your attention. Dang. Yeah. Yeah, which kind of like realizing
upon like, oh wait, we kind of wanted those vagels for snacks and
having to go stires. I yeah, fell back up. Yeah, no
one there. Then no one there that time, no one there. That's
funny, got a rise out of you definitely got a rise out of series,
that's for sure. Yeah. So a fire forced reason her family to
move into a rental home, and then you said these sightings continued in her
rental home. Yeah. It was the strangest thing because I think we all
felt like, oh, it's a new house, you know, nobody,
nothing's going to happen. Everyone felt very uncomfortable in the basement, which is
a very common theme apparently, and it always felt like as soon as you
turned the lights off at the bottom of the stairs, you had to run
up because someone was going to grab your ankles. That was just like the
feeling we all got. We never actually told each other about this until later,
but it was weird and uncomfortable. I still remember getting like the frantic
phone call in the morning on a Saturday. I was watching Ghost Adventures with
No it wasn't Ghost Adventures, it was Ghosts. This was before Ghost Adventures
was even on the air ghost Hunters with my mom's boyfriend, and I got
a frantic call from Serice saying, hey, you know that song we both
really like that is from a video game. And I was like, yeah,
I hear it playing in the background. She's like, yeah, my
computer doesn't have speakers. These were the ones that externally plugged in. You
didn't have speakers. Otherwise you didn't know where this sound was coming from.
Yeah, whatever. It was like when you guys played the game and wanted
to play it some more. It was like I physically went there and it
was so loud and it was still there. It's still going on when it
was still going ten minutes later. Yeah, And I walked up the stairs
to where the computer was kind of tucked away where her brother was at and
I was like, dude, like, this isn't a very funny prank.
He's like, it's not a prank. I'm the and he pulled the speaker
like plug showed me. He's like this was on the floor because I had
seen him lifted up like that. And then he pulled the speakers away entirely
and let them dangle, and the music was not coming from the speakers.
It was like physically coming out of the wires in the back. They were
vibrating so hard. Too bad you didn't have your cell phone at the time.
No, it was common to have cell phones and I have nowadays,
right, because they can get some great catches in these home cameras. I'm
amazed about how the rings are catching so much stuff that people don't even realize
until they check it after or something triggers and like, what the heck And
then they review footage and they're like, oh my god, what the heck
is that? Yeah, So it is one of my greatest like almost regrets,
to not be this, not have this happen in a more modern day,
because that absolutely would have been picked up by a camera. If sure
they it's so hard thinking about that place because it was just it was spooky.
One time, the doorbell rang and we were just kind of like I
was upstairs with Sirius's brother and we walked down the stairs. Serius was downstairs
getting I think a snack for one of the other siblings, and we just
both got a really bad feeling and we're like, don't open the door.
And Sirius was like why. We're like, don't open the door, just
don't and she did. She did, of course she did. Like she
didn't. We didn't know it was out there, neither did she so obviously
open the door like she did at least peeped through the people, but there
was no one there, nothing, And so that's when she opened the door
and she saw nothing. Me and her brother both saw just like a very
tall, kind of lanky and haggard and the fabric was really rough and torn
up, and we were like, close the damn door. And I looked
at him and I'm like, did you just see what I saw? Like?
And he's like gray fabric tall, yeah, And I was like,
okay, cool, cool. She didn't see it, huh, she did
not. That's crazy because she saw a girl under the back so that she
wouldn't see unless that fact that she didn't see it was meant to entice her
open the door. I don't know, it's just speculation, but that is
so strange. Yeah, it was uncomfortable. I did not feel comfortable being
over there if I could avoid it at this point, just not fun.
Is that what happened to you when you guys were decorating the Halloween that that
was the same day waiting for Halloween when the door vowering ash, I would
wonder who the heck he was. It's a strange. Well, you picked
up an attachment that you referred to as Bob in Helen's house. Tell us
about that story. My friend Helen had been like talking about how she had
seen this guy every once in a while and he was coming often enough.
And I'm not referring him to the entity by the names that he actually gave
us because pore no and Bob was kind of like, yeah, I don't
need him in my life right now. She was talking about him, and
I'm like, oh, that's really weird because anytime I talked about like spooky
things, she's like, I've never had anything like that. Happen to me.
So now that she was talking about it, I was starting to get
concerned because I was like, that's really weird. And I walked over to
her house after school because it literally the school was right here and just down
the street was her house. So walked over. I felt like I couldn't
get into the house. It there was just a strong feeling of no at
the front door. And she was like, come on, like we gotta
drink some water. We just walked I was like, okay. I walked
in and I sat down in the office next to the like they had a
like fifty gallon tank of goldfish, and I just sat next to the tank
because it felt so strong in there. I can't explain to you how oppressive
it felt. That's ye, And she was oppressive Yeah, well yeah,
I don't like using that word unless like I had. Yeah, yeah,
but that's the best word I have for it. And I looked over at
her because she was filling up a water glass at the fridge and she turns.
She kind of turned at me, and then she looked down and she
goes, hi, Bob, because there was ording to her. She saw
a hand like pushed through her stomach, and then I could not look at
her or in that direction. It was just so uncomfortable. And I was
like, yep, you sure got something. I didn't know how to explain
to her, like whatever this was was not a great thing to have.
And she looked at me and she goes, Bob doesn't really like you very
much, and I'm like, oh, ray, She's yeah, yeah,
I would imagine not considering like I can feel that presence so strongly, and
eventually, like I could feel like it kind of moved away from both of
us, and I was like, okay, cool, I can breathe now.
I love that for me. And I looked up at her because she
gave me a glass of water and I was drinking it. And the way
that the kind of foyer was settled, like the office was just in a
room off to the side of the foyer, but you could still see like
the staircase and there's a landing before the stairs continue. And I looked up
and I just saw this dude there and I was like, is that Bob?
Black hair, kind of pasty. She's like, yeah, yeah,
that's Bob. And I'm like, uh huh cool. I'm uh we'll do
our homework and then I'm gonna go home. I just did not feel safe
to stay over like I had planned. I eventually like walked home and my
mom opened the door because I locked myself out. I had forgotten my keys,
and she looked at me and she's like, you didn't come into her
here? Yeah, And then like what are you doing here? And I'm
like, hello, I live here and Mom's like, no, I'm not
talking to you, talking to whatever's uh with you. I'm like, I'm
pretty sure that, like I'm good, and Mom's like, no, you're
not. What's its name? My whole family is so sensitive. She's okay,
so she realizes that Bob is with you. Yeah, And that's the
thing we have to try and get into the habit of saying before we leave
these places, you know i'll have to leave, you know. I allowed
to come with me? Yeah, And sometimes we get so accustomed to going
and doing these things that we forget to say, you don't, you know,
allowed to follow me home. So it doesn't sound like he was typically
an actual attachment. It just feels like he wanted to come home with you.
Well, he stuck around a lot longer than even then. I long
story, I got kicked out of my mom's house, not by reason of
me doing anything wrong, just so I went to go live with my dad
and Bob was there too. I no longer had contact with Helen at this
point, and I was taking a shower and you know, very classic horror
movie, pulled open the curtain to kind of like come out, and he
was right there, and I'm like, how are you, Bob? What?
Hi? Go away? I did not expect to see him there,
and he was like, well, I'm here now, and I was like,
no, no, no, you're not get out. You're not welcome
here. I tried very hard to just kind of I tried the path of
like ignoring. So I'm like, okay, I've already talked to him,
told him to leave. I don't want anything to deal with him. And
he just stuck around for about a year until I was finally like comfortable being
like out out out ski, like we're not I'm not doing this anymore.
I'm not waking waking up in the middle of the night because you are standing
there and like poking me consistently. I am tired. I'm trying to deal
with high school. I've got other stuff. Going on get out? Did
you say that at one point you had to have a shaman help you with
something? Oh? Lorshh, I don't know. For some reason, I
thought I remembered you saying something about you haven't shaman come, unless I'm getting
confused with something else, But you did it say something happened when you and
your dad were watching Doctor Who. No shaman's on my end, but uh,
yeah, the Doctor Who was like the one thing me and my dad
had like really in common other than like baseball, and so we would kind
of sit and have dinner and just kind of like relax there. And I
heard whispering and so did he, and he just kind of you know when
someone's like whispering in your ear from behind you and you kind of like turn
like this and you're you're listening. He doesn't remember what she said, but
I remember watching his shirt pulled back like that and just snap forward again,
like just a really quick release. And I looked at him and he's like,
did that just happen? I was like, yeah, it happened that
trailer because it after we moved to the US. There we didn't have a
lot of money and so on and so forth. So We had lived in
a trailer park manufactured homes for a long time. My dad was living in
at the time, after my mom had moved out. We knew that a
woman had died there, and she was the previous owner had passed away because
the next door neighbor was her best friend, so we always knew that she
was around there was I didn't have anything to bother her, like, I
was like, Okay, she's here, I'm good with that. She was
comfortable. It felt like when I got home from school, it was like,
Okay, I've got grandma vibes coming. We're cool. She did not
like my dad. She did not like my dad. And one night I
was asleep, I woke up because I heard footsteps. I thought it was
my step mom, but my step mom had returned to Puerto Rico at this
point, so she wasn't in our home. And then I was like,
thinking about it, it was like, that doesn't sound like my dad's footsteps
either. They were heavier thuds than even his footsteps. And then I heard
my dad's door slide open, and I hear him take a few steps out,
then walk towards my door, open it, and he's like, are
you asleep and I was awake, but I was like, I'm not gonna
I don't want to talk about this right now, so I'm not gonna answer.
And then he closed my door and went back to his room. The
next morning, I was like, Hey, were you out? Uh did
you come to my room last night? He's like, yeah, but I
thought I heard you walking down the hallway, so that's why I came down.
I was like, I thought that was you. I mean, I
thought it was you know, your wife, but I just remembered like she
had gone back to the island the other day, so she's not here.
He's like, yeah, uh huh, okay, We're not talking about this
ever again. And I'm like what. He shuts it off. He does,
he does? You said you predicted one of your mom's sister's death.
I had predictions when I was a kid, too, and they came to
me in dreams, and I too predicted the deaths of my godparents. It
frightened me so much that I actually shut it down, and then the predictions
stopped. I don't know if I miss it or not, but tell us
about that experience. I it was Chris, like it was the week before
Christmas, in twenty fourteen, and my mom was kind of winging about going
back to Puerto Rico and like, I don't know if I want to go
back. I don't know if I want to deal with my mom or my
dad. And she talked about wanting to see her sister, and I'm like,
well, you never know what's going to happen, mom, you never
know, like if someone's going to pass away. I don't know why I
said that. I literally the words just blurted out, and my mom was
like, don't ever talk about someone dying. Yeah, oh my god God.
And I felt really bad because like her brother passed away so at a
young age, and I'm like, I should not have said that. I
felt so bad, and we ended up just kind of like ignoring it.
And then Christmas came by, and then at eleven PM, I was talking
to my at the time girlfriend and on Skype, and I just got this
feeling of like someone hugging me from behind, and I started crying and we
were on video and I just looked so confused, and she was like,
are you okay. I'm like, I don't know. And a minute later
the call came and I heard, like my mom answer the phone and I
heard just like the scream of despair, and I was like, I looked
at my girlfriend and was like, I gotta go. I don't know what's
going on. I gotta go. Mm hmm. I come upstairs. My
mom sobbing the phones on the ground and I could hear someone talking like TATSA,
are you there? Are you there? Can you hear me? And
I and my mom ended up picking the phone and said, I gotta I
gotta go. I can't, I can't, and just she screamed that her
sister had passed. Mm hmm. Was it a tragedy or was it it
was it was sudden. She had a blood clot and it went to her
heart. It was aneurysm. This does awful. Jeez. Yeah, yeah,
I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, that's that's rough. Yeah.
I I ended up having a clot and it almost killed me. And I
was like, this is probably how Auntie felt. Not a great way to
feel. But no, no, Well, since our first connection, you've
said a lot of stuff has been happening to you. Oh yeah it was.
It started out like kind of small, like just little things here and
there, mostly things moving around or one night I was living with roommates at
the time and they were gone, so I was like, okay, well,
let me just you know, kind of leave my door open, kind
of kind of enjoy and I fell asleep and I felt like someone got in
bed with me. Like I had turned to the wall. My computer turned
on by itself, which fine, whatever like that happens sometimes, and then
uh, the screen lit up and there was a shadow on the wall of
a very like masculine figure leaning over me. I had thought the cat had
gotten into my bed because they had they have a Norwegian forest cat. So
I was like, Okay, it's probably just yestola, It's fine. But
then when the light hit everything and it lit up, and I was like
nope. I was legitimately terrified. I don't It had been a long time
since I had an experience at this point, and I just couldn't couldn't cope
with it. I reached out to my mom and was like, this happened.
I don't know why. It doesn't make any sense. My mom was
like, well, you're not exactly uh, ignorant to what is going on
in the spaces that other people can't see or hear. It wouldn't surprise me.
If someone was like, oh my gosh, there's someone who can see
me and hear me. I was like, how do I turn this off?
I need a break. Have you done anything since then to try and
learn about how to do that? You gone, yeah, because it got
to a point where I was starting to get overwhelmed and or it can control
your life. Yeah, there were like I went back to visit my moms
and my mom made a joke about my my basement friend because the basement was
uncomfortable for literally everyone else, and I felt comfortable because I was like I
had lived down there for a while, so whatever was down there and me,
we were like on good terms. And so I came in and it
felt like a little bit I could feel the like slight grumpiness to my having
because I came downstairs with my mom of my mom being in there, kind
of like invading. But then whatever was there realized I was also there,
and was there was like this kind of joy, like this person is back
and I care about this recognition, and yeah, that's nice. Mm hmm.
Yeah. I've interviewed so many people over the years, and I've had
occasion to speak to somebody who's lived with their spirits for forty years. Oh
mysh love their spirits and feel the loss of the spirits when they move out
of that residence. Like if they were retiring and they sold their home,
and not only were they upset that they were leaving, but the spirit was
upset they were leaving. So you do hear that emotional connection some people with
their spirits. I could definitely understand that. I feel that with whatever is
down in the basement there just because it, whatever it is, took the
time to protect me during like really really rough and difficult moments and made sure
that, like I did sleep during the rough times because I never wanted to
be bothered during like personal tragedies or anything like that. I lost a friend
and lost a friend of suicide, and it was hard because everyone was he
was so young, we were all so young, and I just wanted to
be left alone because I couldn't face it at the time. I dreamed about
him later, and I dreamed about him sitting on the bed and like tapping
on my leg and just being like, it's okay, You're not going to
be okay. You know that's a spiritual visit for him, right, You
know that those special nuances we get from out to cease loved ones. Those
are them that that's them coming back and saying and nudging you and saying,
hey, I'm here, everything's good, I'm okay. I love you.
So just receive an accept and know that it was him. It I need
that. At the time, I was thankful because the last words I said
to him were that I loved him, so I never needed to worry about
like regretting last words, right right. I felt very lucky in that,
and I felt very lucky that I did dream about him on occasion with him
being like, hey, what's up, like, and that was good,
that was helpful. Oh, I'm sure. I'm really surprised that that spirit
in the basement never actually showed themselves to you, that you could actually see
who they were, you know what I mean, like or that you weren't
able to get a name or find out who they were or sometimes you date
thing. Yeah, I mean the spirit I had in my house when I
was a kid. He only was on the main floor of the house.
That wasn't until I went down to the basement. I never saw him again.
But as a kid, I was frightened of him because I didn't know.
I didn't understand at the time that he knew I could see him and
my mom. Yeah, it's just a dream. It's just dreamed. My
mom wasn't like your mom. She didn't understand that, and it was just
dream and I never understood it until later on. But I always got this
uncle Paul by he was Uncle Paul. I don't know where it came from,
but I had an uncle Paul that died before I was born, so
it very well could have been him trying to say, hey, Ellie,
I'm here. You know. I don't know, but the house was pretty
old house. It was from the twenties, so it could have been somebody
else. And he just had me call him uncle Paul. But I just
received it, accept it, called him uncle Paul, and I was free
to him. And if I could go back there now, I would say
IMPI because I was running from him when I should have been trying to listen
to him. You know. Yeah, but you know, you were a
kid, and that's that's the hard thing, is like if you're parents don't
aren't okay with stuff like that, or just like oh you're you're you're just
streaming or you're it's imaginary. Friend, it's a little hard, absolutely,
So what are you doing to help yourself with these gifts that you have?
What is your plan ahead? And what are you doing to help yourself to
understand and deal with it? Currently these days, I'm trying to be more
accepting of the fact that I have these gifts instead of just kind of shoving
it aside. M It's easier currently with where I live because I have never
felt more welcome to be weird quote unquote in a place my partner is very
accepting and it's like, okay, just like if something happens, let me
know, so I'm not like confused, like okay, cool. It's nice
to have people who are open minded and want to talk about these things with
you, And if something happens, I can be like, hey, so
you weren't just like peeking over the counter, right, okay, cool,
cool, and not be immediately like are you nuts. I find that journaling
has helped immensely, just kind of like here's what happened today, Here's how
I felt about it, Here's what I will do to kind of move forward
from it. Right, Because I can't help everything that's around, and not
everything needs help sometimes they're just out there doing their own thing and they don't
need to be helped, and it's like, hey, I acknowledge you,
I see you. Please don't bother me. And honestly, sometimes they don't
even want to be bothered. No, you know. I mean, I
find that these these random places like old asylums and hospitals and all that I
have, these these investigations open to the public. I wouldn't be surprised if
the spirits just get really tired of it after a while, like just let
them rest. Like, yeah, I wouldn't want to be bothered ten times
a day, Yeah, Like just let it go. Well, thank you
so much for opening up today and sharing your history and how you've come to
come to grips with it and taking the bull by the horns. I guess
it's the best way to describe it, because it seems like you're more accepting
and openly receptive to it now because you can shut it off and on it
will, which is a huge, huge thing for people like yourself. So
thank you. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you having me on.
You'll have to update me if you have anything else interesting that happens. There's
been a few things recently, but I'm trying to figure out if it's tied
together or not, so we'll have to see on that one. Oh,
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