1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,519 in the UK and around the world. Hello world, You're listening to Eleanor 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:19,440 Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we'll 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:26,239 always creeping it real. I'm your host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:31,960 my paranormal Closet, where the stories in magic take place. Today's guest has 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,920 been interested in the paranormal and the strange ever since her first experience at a 7 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:43,640 very young age. She enjoys spending time spiritbox investigating and journaling her family's paranoral 8 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:49,399 encounters during their time in Puerto Rico. When not writing about her experiences, 9 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:54,799 she spends time with her partner and Kat in the Pacific Northwest, and today 10 00:00:55,119 --> 00:00:59,240 she's going to share some of those stories with us. Join me and welcoming 11 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:06,480 Loomyarah to the show. Welcome, Hi, How are you? Thank Thank 12 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,120 you so much for coming. No, I'm excited. I'm nervous, but 13 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:15,480 excited. No easy to be nervous, but just having a friendly conversation. 14 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,879 You mentioned you write about your experiences, so do you do it just for 15 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,120 pleasure like in journaling, or are you putting together a book to publish. 16 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:30,280 I have seriously been considering a book recently, just because there's so much that 17 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:36,319 I've experienced with just by myself and with friends and family members. Right now, 18 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,120 it is all just kind of in a journal that I keep right next 19 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,040 to me in my desk, just like if something new it, yeah, 20 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:47,000 if something happens, I'm like, I don't even know if you know it. 21 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,519 But I've published six books, so you are welcome to reach out to 22 00:01:51,519 --> 00:01:55,359 me with any questions or advice or help. And once you do get that 23 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,480 book published, you'll have to come back on the show. You have to 24 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,959 promise me that absolutely, I'll come back. What was your first experience that 25 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,360 you had at a very young age? Good, Like, my very first 26 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,439 one was with a doll, and I know that's like really common, but 27 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,360 my ab Wela, my grandmother, she had a ton of dolls. She 28 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:22,479 was big on doll collecting. And you know, I'm terrified of dolls these 29 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:28,439 days, but I understand it. And I just got done playing with my 30 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:32,639 little sister, and the doll in our room just like kind of looked over 31 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,240 because it fell over and I was like, oh, that's weird, and 32 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:39,639 it blinked. It was one of those dolls that you had to set it 33 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:46,759 back and then bring it up again to blink, and that spooked me. 34 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,479 It also spooked my sister and we almost feel like maybe we imagined something. 35 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:55,280 Maybe twitterally nothing. Yeah, it was maybe the start of something and you 36 00:02:55,319 --> 00:03:00,280 didn't realize it, but you kind of said something sort of thing. Yeah, 37 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,000 yeah, definitely. We actually ended up running to our mom like, 38 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,439 mom, Mom, why did Grandma's dolls start blinking? And she just thought 39 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:14,520 we were playing with them? And no, we were. We were playing 40 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:21,599 but not with dolls. So that that was definitely a start. And after 41 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,280 we experience was was only the beginning, correct, Yes, only the beginning. 42 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,120 And tell me about your parents and where they're from any and you know 43 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:35,759 how that because you said that, that plays a huge part in your history 44 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:42,960 and what you experienced, uh, they experienced even Yeah, we are all 45 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:50,000 from Puerto Rico. My mom is from Canovanas and my dad is from Loisa, 46 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:54,080 and two very different areas on the island. They're kind of close. 47 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:08,199 They're both i would say not well well funded places. And that's was much 48 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:14,759 worse back in the seventies and sixties, So yeah, very poor community. 49 00:04:15,959 --> 00:04:21,519 Everyone did know each other. We just all kind of like talk to each 50 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:26,680 other because we didn't have anything else. And where my dad is from, 51 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:31,000 they didn't have like a road and like an actual road to it until the 52 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:36,759 eighties. So it was insane because it was so insular. Nobody could really 53 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:45,639 talk to one another outside of that interesting and any run into the Chupicapra because 54 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:53,680 you did mention THEA was prevalent in that area. Allegedly, my my dad's 55 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:59,480 cousin was one of the first witnesses. I say allegedly because he told me 56 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,759 the story all the time, and I was like, I don't believe you, 57 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:08,519 Like I just don't because it's such an easy thing to be like, 58 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:14,000 oh, yeah, we're related to that person. And then when my grandmother, 59 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:20,040 his mom, came to the US after Hurricane Maria, I jokingly asked 60 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:23,319 because I was like, oh, yeah, Dad said that, you know, 61 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:26,879 we're related to this person, and she's like, no, yeah, 62 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:31,079 we are. And I was like, oh, oh, I thought you 63 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,680 were lying all these years. Dad's like to tell stories. How was I 64 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,959 supposed to know that? It was like, actually, legit, I did 65 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,759 talk to my mother about it too, and she was like, yeah, 66 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:47,480 like I don't like your dad, but yes, that was a thing, 67 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:55,319 and I was like, okay, confirmation. Cool. I don't really like 68 00:05:55,399 --> 00:06:00,879 talking about it these days more because the shift on the focus of El Tropacappras 69 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:05,199 now down more in Texas and the Southern States and you know, in Mexico 70 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:11,560 and stuff, And it's kind of awkward hearing about a family member being like, 71 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:14,720 oh, they're probably crazy. They didn't know what they were seeing, 72 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:18,199 and it just that kind of hurts, you know. Sure, well, 73 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:25,279 being a paranormal instrument is the same. You still you deal with people saying 74 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,000 the same thing to you. But because we have been so open about it 75 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:38,079 amongst other people too, probably the last ten years have opened that world up 76 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,360 to everybody that we're not really considered crazy. Still people out there they call 77 00:06:41,439 --> 00:06:46,240 us crazy, but there's more of us that are outnumbering those people that call 78 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,639 us crazy. Yeah, which I'm thankful for because I realize, like a 79 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:57,000 lot of the stuff that people experience, and even I've experienced, like I 80 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,680 would easily be called crazy, but I also have experienced things when other people 81 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:05,560 were around, and those people were not related to me. So it's not 82 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:11,519 like like, yeah, please don't call me delusion, because it's it's not 83 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:17,720 like, what is it folio do something like that, This thing is gifted 84 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,560 in a cursal. At the same time, yeah, that is for sure. 85 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:27,800 Well do you mind telling us the tupe of Copper story? I don't 86 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:36,040 know much about it, just because what I remember was like back when my 87 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:42,600 family would watch like Univision to get news on the from the island and stuff 88 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:49,879 like that, and there was like this drawing that was like green and had 89 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,279 huge red eyes, and I was looking at that and I'm like, ah, 90 00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:58,160 that's kind of and the spikes in the back. It was the like 91 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:03,680 an older depiction. It was colored green with like reddish eyes, and then 92 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:09,040 Spike's coming out of the back, and I remember being terrified, and my 93 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,839 dad was like muttering under his breath like well, yeah, of course she 94 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,920 saw that, and like what are you talking about? And he just he 95 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:26,040 wouldn't really tell me anything until after, like a one of those documentaries about 96 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:33,159 cryptids came out in the like I want to say it was two thousands, 97 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:39,360 which was a hot minute ago, but one of those documentaries where they interview 98 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:45,279 various people, and I believe it was one of the ones where the lovely 99 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:52,000 woman down in Texas was talking about her experiences and having like caught it and 100 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:56,360 gotten it stuffed. And then my dad was talking to me about how like 101 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:03,080 wild it is that it's crossed over so much. And then this woman comes 102 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:09,799 on to be interviewed, and obviously there's voiceover of her talking in English because 103 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:15,200 she only speaks Spanish, and he's like, oh, yeah, that's my 104 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:20,519 cousin. And I'm like woman on the TV. Yeah, And I was 105 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:28,759 just are you real? Yeah, I didn't believe him, even though he's 106 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:31,519 like, no, you can ask your mom, like she app she is 107 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:39,480 my cousin. She babysat you. And I was like, I still don't 108 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:46,120 believe you, but okay, now I don't remember her babysitting me because that 109 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,559 was like when I was baby baby, so yeah, a long time ago. 110 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,679 But it just became this like a little bit of family lore, like 111 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,399 this happened. Enjoy. There's a story of your mom and a lady in 112 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:09,200 the tree. So there's a lot of history on the island, a lot 113 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:18,639 of death, a lot of mistreatment from the Spanish to the indigenous population. 114 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:28,720 My mom was probably around seven years old, and her brother, which is 115 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:35,360 the youngest in the child was around five. And they had been playing outside 116 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:39,159 because there wasn't much else for them to do, and there was a lady 117 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,399 talking to them from the tree and she was in a white dress, very 118 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:50,639 beautiful, and my mom explicitly stated like she looked so sad and hurt, 119 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:54,440 and she asked to play with us, and if we we were like, 120 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:00,200 yeah, of course, let me go. Ask my mom to make sure 121 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:07,279 I can actually play with you, because you know, stranger nature still exists 122 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:15,320 and nowhere else where, yeah, exactly. And my grandmother was like looked 123 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,799 over at the tree and was like, no, you cannot talk to her. 124 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:24,200 Leave her alone, don't And my mom would not take no for an 125 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:30,080 answer. And my grandmother was like, she's dead, leave her alone. 126 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:39,480 Let her rest. And she was like she's dead, and I was like, 127 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,159 yeah, she's leave her alone, just and then she started praying and 128 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,840 I was like, okay, thanks, mom, so get me back. 129 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:56,399 Then it was kind of ignore them, don't acknowledge them kind of thing. 130 00:11:56,039 --> 00:12:01,320 Yeah, And I always felt bad about that because it's not like they have 131 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:09,519 anyone who can listen, not not everyone in my mom's family was of the 132 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,000 opinion that you should ignore. There were people who were like, yeah, 133 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:22,360 acknowledge them, but the importance of the acknowledgment and interaction results in a peaceful 134 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,799 environment most of the time. Spirit oftentimes becomes mischievous when they aren't being acknowledged 135 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,399 because exactly they were humans in life. They're humans and death and we are 136 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:37,399 in their space. And a lot of times they don't understand why until they 137 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:43,960 do, because they do when you explain it to them exactly. Unfortunately, 138 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,159 like my mom did say, like, we didn't go back after that because 139 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:54,080 mom, you know, my mom kept us inside, but it didn't stop 140 00:12:54,120 --> 00:13:00,679 her from like seeing various entities and just like it's hard to not experience it 141 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:05,480 there when there is a lot of history and trauma just tied to everything. 142 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:11,440 Oh sure, and somebody who's sensitive as she obviously is, it's really hard 143 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:16,639 to turn it up. You have to train yourself to do that. What 144 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:22,879 happened with you Mom's brother, Oh, he's he just kind of ignores everything 145 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:31,639 these days now. The one that passed away, Oh, I he passed 146 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:37,360 away because they went to the river. There was a river nearby. I 147 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,879 had a lot of rocks everyone was aware of the currents. He's a very 148 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:48,200 strong swimmer, and that day he got stuck. His ankle got stuck in 149 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:56,039 between two rocks and he ended up drowning. And the night before he was 150 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,000 like, you know, the only thing that sucks about heaven, mom, 151 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:07,480 is that I won't be able to have your fried chicken again, which seemed 152 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,559 a little silly. Like, when my mom told me this, I had 153 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:15,399 to like kind of restrain myself from laughing a bit because that's kind of a 154 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:20,399 weird thing to say. Yeah, do you think it was definitively like a 155 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:28,039 prediction. He knew he wasn't going to live very old. Yeah, and 156 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,919 it just it destroyed my mom because she and her older brother were very close. 157 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:39,440 That's actually how my parents met was at his funeral. My dad was 158 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:48,559 playing for the band at the funeral. Interesting, your dad had his own 159 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:54,559 experiences with spirit too, right, he did. Yeah, he does not 160 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:58,960 like talking about it too much, which is fair. He doesn't. He 161 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,440 feels like if he acknowledged which is it, then more is going to happen. 162 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:07,600 But when he was very young, there was a really bad storm and 163 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,519 there was actually lightning, which is wasn't too common. From what I understand, 164 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:18,399 on the island, and he and his sister were just kind of playing 165 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:22,639 and then this ball of light just like came in and I was like, 166 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:26,039 oh, it was probably ball lightning. Dad like it's rare, but you 167 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,240 know, it happens. He's like, no, that's not how this thing 168 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,600 interacted, Like we actually could touch it and it played with us. Intelligent? 169 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:41,440 Intelligent? Was that the one and only time he ever saw that? 170 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:46,480 That was the only time he ever saw that. You said, just offered 171 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:52,120 a cup of coffee. Now this has become your motto, so please explain. 172 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:58,240 My mother has always said, if you ever ever have a spirit or 173 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,720 entity that you know is bothering you too much, just give a coffee. 174 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,440 Just offer a cup of coffee. Say hey, I'm here, you're here, 175 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:15,720 let's have some coffee. You don't that's an acknowledgement. M Yeah, 176 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,279 I've said that all the time. Even if you're going into their space to 177 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:22,799 say, hey, you know, I'm sorry I have them interrupting. I 178 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,600 just need to grab some things, or if you're redecorating, because that's usually 179 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,360 a trigger too. Yeah, make them a part of it. I hope 180 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,879 you like what I'm doing. I'm trying to beautify the place again, keep 181 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:41,279 it up or all of those things always help. Always. Yeah, at 182 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,919 one point you lived in your mom's boyfriend's house and you said spirits will often 183 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:49,799 felt passing through. That was the way you put it. Did you mean 184 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:56,919 to say that you felt this was indicative of a portal of some sort. 185 00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:03,399 Thinking back on it now through the years, it likely was, But back 186 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:10,079 then it was more just confusing because things as you got older and you understand 187 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:15,759 it more than you did when you were a kid, right because it there 188 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:25,759 was like a few entities there that we're always there, but most of the 189 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:32,200 time it was something new or someone new passing by, and it just felt 190 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,240 kind of like when am I allowed to be comfortable in my own home? 191 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:42,720 Because with new beings passing by then it was like, I don't know how 192 00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:51,359 to expect to interact with you because some people, some entities are nice summer 193 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,039 not so nice. And it got a little rough at some points. Oh, 194 00:17:57,079 --> 00:18:02,519 I believe it was an incident that occurred with your friend Serice in her 195 00:18:02,599 --> 00:18:08,119 home. I want to explain that. Uh, yeah, we were around 196 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,680 twelve years old, so it's around eighteen years ago. Goodness, Uh. 197 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:19,480 We were in the computer room and we were just on like Gaya online and 198 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:26,960 s FOG's which is now defunct website dedicated to like pictures of ghosts and such. 199 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,839 We were everyone was downstairs, so siblings were downstairs. We were downstairs 200 00:18:34,039 --> 00:18:38,839 and no one was upstairs, and we heard a loud thump come from the 201 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:44,640 room above us, and we kind of looked at each other like, uh, 202 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:51,680 that's weird. So we like kind of grabbed a few things to like 203 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:59,240 ourselves, yes, protect ourselves with a bag of bagels, you know, 204 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:04,400 because that'll that'll really do something. Yeah, So we go up to her 205 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:12,119 room and we see that her oak dresser has moved two feet and it is 206 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:18,480 a solid oak dresser. It requires two people on either side to like move 207 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,799 it even a little bit. So we just kind of looked at each other 208 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,519 like what And then I just saw a movement in the corner of my eye 209 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:32,359 and I looked under her bed and there was just like a girl there, 210 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:37,680 like tucked under there, and I was like yo, like hey, and 211 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:44,440 series turned saw the girl throws the bagels and we just bolt out the door. 212 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,680 Was she reel or was you're freezing up? Can you hear me. 213 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:59,759 I am, I'm back, I can hear now what Sorry, okay, 214 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,000 I said. Was she a full bodied apparition? Could you see through her? 215 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,279 Did you think maybe she was an elemental? She was transparent. She 216 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:14,240 was transparent. I could not see like the rest of her body, just 217 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,920 like at the angle that we were at, But it definitely looked like someone 218 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:21,720 was just kind of like peeking from under the bed. He was trying to 219 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:27,079 get your attention. Dang. Yeah. Yeah, which kind of like realizing 220 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:32,079 upon like, oh wait, we kind of wanted those vagels for snacks and 221 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,480 having to go stires. I yeah, fell back up. Yeah, no 222 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:42,319 one there. Then no one there that time, no one there. That's 223 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:48,519 funny, got a rise out of you definitely got a rise out of series, 224 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:55,279 that's for sure. Yeah. So a fire forced reason her family to 225 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:00,319 move into a rental home, and then you said these sightings continued in her 226 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:06,240 rental home. Yeah. It was the strangest thing because I think we all 227 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:10,759 felt like, oh, it's a new house, you know, nobody, 228 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:17,839 nothing's going to happen. Everyone felt very uncomfortable in the basement, which is 229 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,319 a very common theme apparently, and it always felt like as soon as you 230 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,559 turned the lights off at the bottom of the stairs, you had to run 231 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:33,079 up because someone was going to grab your ankles. That was just like the 232 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,440 feeling we all got. We never actually told each other about this until later, 233 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:49,359 but it was weird and uncomfortable. I still remember getting like the frantic 234 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:56,880 phone call in the morning on a Saturday. I was watching Ghost Adventures with 235 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,519 No it wasn't Ghost Adventures, it was Ghosts. This was before Ghost Adventures 236 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:07,799 was even on the air ghost Hunters with my mom's boyfriend, and I got 237 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:12,839 a frantic call from Serice saying, hey, you know that song we both 238 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,559 really like that is from a video game. And I was like, yeah, 239 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:21,319 I hear it playing in the background. She's like, yeah, my 240 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,960 computer doesn't have speakers. These were the ones that externally plugged in. You 241 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:33,119 didn't have speakers. Otherwise you didn't know where this sound was coming from. 242 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,799 Yeah, whatever. It was like when you guys played the game and wanted 243 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:41,119 to play it some more. It was like I physically went there and it 244 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,759 was so loud and it was still there. It's still going on when it 245 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:52,200 was still going ten minutes later. Yeah, And I walked up the stairs 246 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,839 to where the computer was kind of tucked away where her brother was at and 247 00:22:56,839 --> 00:23:00,680 I was like, dude, like, this isn't a very funny prank. 248 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,160 He's like, it's not a prank. I'm the and he pulled the speaker 249 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,720 like plug showed me. He's like this was on the floor because I had 250 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,359 seen him lifted up like that. And then he pulled the speakers away entirely 251 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,279 and let them dangle, and the music was not coming from the speakers. 252 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,680 It was like physically coming out of the wires in the back. They were 253 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:26,920 vibrating so hard. Too bad you didn't have your cell phone at the time. 254 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:34,279 No, it was common to have cell phones and I have nowadays, 255 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:37,960 right, because they can get some great catches in these home cameras. I'm 256 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:45,160 amazed about how the rings are catching so much stuff that people don't even realize 257 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,160 until they check it after or something triggers and like, what the heck And 258 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,519 then they review footage and they're like, oh my god, what the heck 259 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:57,720 is that? Yeah, So it is one of my greatest like almost regrets, 260 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:03,119 to not be this, not have this happen in a more modern day, 261 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:11,119 because that absolutely would have been picked up by a camera. If sure 262 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:21,319 they it's so hard thinking about that place because it was just it was spooky. 263 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:26,720 One time, the doorbell rang and we were just kind of like I 264 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:32,359 was upstairs with Sirius's brother and we walked down the stairs. Serius was downstairs 265 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,519 getting I think a snack for one of the other siblings, and we just 266 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:38,119 both got a really bad feeling and we're like, don't open the door. 267 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:45,279 And Sirius was like why. We're like, don't open the door, just 268 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:52,359 don't and she did. She did, of course she did. Like she 269 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,480 didn't. We didn't know it was out there, neither did she so obviously 270 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,400 open the door like she did at least peeped through the people, but there 271 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,119 was no one there, nothing, And so that's when she opened the door 272 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:15,160 and she saw nothing. Me and her brother both saw just like a very 273 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:25,960 tall, kind of lanky and haggard and the fabric was really rough and torn 274 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,400 up, and we were like, close the damn door. And I looked 275 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,720 at him and I'm like, did you just see what I saw? Like? 276 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,240 And he's like gray fabric tall, yeah, And I was like, 277 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,839 okay, cool, cool. She didn't see it, huh, she did 278 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,480 not. That's crazy because she saw a girl under the back so that she 279 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:57,279 wouldn't see unless that fact that she didn't see it was meant to entice her 280 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,839 open the door. I don't know, it's just speculation, but that is 281 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:08,119 so strange. Yeah, it was uncomfortable. I did not feel comfortable being 282 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:17,640 over there if I could avoid it at this point, just not fun. 283 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:26,640 Is that what happened to you when you guys were decorating the Halloween that that 284 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,680 was the same day waiting for Halloween when the door vowering ash, I would 285 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,200 wonder who the heck he was. It's a strange. Well, you picked 286 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:40,000 up an attachment that you referred to as Bob in Helen's house. Tell us 287 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:47,200 about that story. My friend Helen had been like talking about how she had 288 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,480 seen this guy every once in a while and he was coming often enough. 289 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:55,839 And I'm not referring him to the entity by the names that he actually gave 290 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:03,279 us because pore no and Bob was kind of like, yeah, I don't 291 00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:08,799 need him in my life right now. She was talking about him, and 292 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:15,119 I'm like, oh, that's really weird because anytime I talked about like spooky 293 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,720 things, she's like, I've never had anything like that. Happen to me. 294 00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,640 So now that she was talking about it, I was starting to get 295 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:30,240 concerned because I was like, that's really weird. And I walked over to 296 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,079 her house after school because it literally the school was right here and just down 297 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:41,440 the street was her house. So walked over. I felt like I couldn't 298 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:51,400 get into the house. It there was just a strong feeling of no at 299 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,759 the front door. And she was like, come on, like we gotta 300 00:27:56,039 --> 00:28:00,400 drink some water. We just walked I was like, okay. I walked 301 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:06,559 in and I sat down in the office next to the like they had a 302 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,519 like fifty gallon tank of goldfish, and I just sat next to the tank 303 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:22,000 because it felt so strong in there. I can't explain to you how oppressive 304 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:30,440 it felt. That's ye, And she was oppressive Yeah, well yeah, 305 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,200 I don't like using that word unless like I had. Yeah, yeah, 306 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,920 but that's the best word I have for it. And I looked over at 307 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:49,279 her because she was filling up a water glass at the fridge and she turns. 308 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:53,599 She kind of turned at me, and then she looked down and she 309 00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:00,359 goes, hi, Bob, because there was ording to her. She saw 310 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:10,759 a hand like pushed through her stomach, and then I could not look at 311 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:15,359 her or in that direction. It was just so uncomfortable. And I was 312 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:23,599 like, yep, you sure got something. I didn't know how to explain 313 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,279 to her, like whatever this was was not a great thing to have. 314 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,839 And she looked at me and she goes, Bob doesn't really like you very 315 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,039 much, and I'm like, oh, ray, She's yeah, yeah, 316 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:51,640 I would imagine not considering like I can feel that presence so strongly, and 317 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,440 eventually, like I could feel like it kind of moved away from both of 318 00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,799 us, and I was like, okay, cool, I can breathe now. 319 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,759 I love that for me. And I looked up at her because she 320 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,640 gave me a glass of water and I was drinking it. And the way 321 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:15,519 that the kind of foyer was settled, like the office was just in a 322 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,519 room off to the side of the foyer, but you could still see like 323 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,160 the staircase and there's a landing before the stairs continue. And I looked up 324 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:29,160 and I just saw this dude there and I was like, is that Bob? 325 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:37,200 Black hair, kind of pasty. She's like, yeah, yeah, 326 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,839 that's Bob. And I'm like, uh huh cool. I'm uh we'll do 327 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:49,359 our homework and then I'm gonna go home. I just did not feel safe 328 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:56,559 to stay over like I had planned. I eventually like walked home and my 329 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,319 mom opened the door because I locked myself out. I had forgotten my keys, 330 00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,359 and she looked at me and she's like, you didn't come into her 331 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,480 here? Yeah, And then like what are you doing here? And I'm 332 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,920 like, hello, I live here and Mom's like, no, I'm not 333 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:18,200 talking to you, talking to whatever's uh with you. I'm like, I'm 334 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,960 pretty sure that, like I'm good, and Mom's like, no, you're 335 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:30,240 not. What's its name? My whole family is so sensitive. She's okay, 336 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:37,039 so she realizes that Bob is with you. Yeah, And that's the 337 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,240 thing we have to try and get into the habit of saying before we leave 338 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,920 these places, you know i'll have to leave, you know. I allowed 339 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:47,200 to come with me? Yeah, And sometimes we get so accustomed to going 340 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,640 and doing these things that we forget to say, you don't, you know, 341 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,480 allowed to follow me home. So it doesn't sound like he was typically 342 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,640 an actual attachment. It just feels like he wanted to come home with you. 343 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:06,640 Well, he stuck around a lot longer than even then. I long 344 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,720 story, I got kicked out of my mom's house, not by reason of 345 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:15,000 me doing anything wrong, just so I went to go live with my dad 346 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:22,400 and Bob was there too. I no longer had contact with Helen at this 347 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:30,240 point, and I was taking a shower and you know, very classic horror 348 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:34,400 movie, pulled open the curtain to kind of like come out, and he 349 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,160 was right there, and I'm like, how are you, Bob? What? 350 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,039 Hi? Go away? I did not expect to see him there, 351 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,559 and he was like, well, I'm here now, and I was like, 352 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,119 no, no, no, you're not get out. You're not welcome 353 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:59,759 here. I tried very hard to just kind of I tried the path of 354 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:04,480 like ignoring. So I'm like, okay, I've already talked to him, 355 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:09,440 told him to leave. I don't want anything to deal with him. And 356 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:16,920 he just stuck around for about a year until I was finally like comfortable being 357 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,079 like out out out ski, like we're not I'm not doing this anymore. 358 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,839 I'm not waking waking up in the middle of the night because you are standing 359 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:31,599 there and like poking me consistently. I am tired. I'm trying to deal 360 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:37,480 with high school. I've got other stuff. Going on get out? Did 361 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,599 you say that at one point you had to have a shaman help you with 362 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:52,640 something? Oh? Lorshh, I don't know. For some reason, I 363 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,640 thought I remembered you saying something about you haven't shaman come, unless I'm getting 364 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,480 confused with something else, But you did it say something happened when you and 365 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:07,799 your dad were watching Doctor Who. No shaman's on my end, but uh, 366 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:15,400 yeah, the Doctor Who was like the one thing me and my dad 367 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:21,239 had like really in common other than like baseball, and so we would kind 368 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:27,400 of sit and have dinner and just kind of like relax there. And I 369 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,840 heard whispering and so did he, and he just kind of you know when 370 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,760 someone's like whispering in your ear from behind you and you kind of like turn 371 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,679 like this and you're you're listening. He doesn't remember what she said, but 372 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:47,480 I remember watching his shirt pulled back like that and just snap forward again, 373 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,320 like just a really quick release. And I looked at him and he's like, 374 00:34:53,440 --> 00:35:01,800 did that just happen? I was like, yeah, it happened that 375 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:07,559 trailer because it after we moved to the US. There we didn't have a 376 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:13,159 lot of money and so on and so forth. So We had lived in 377 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:16,599 a trailer park manufactured homes for a long time. My dad was living in 378 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:22,280 at the time, after my mom had moved out. We knew that a 379 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:28,760 woman had died there, and she was the previous owner had passed away because 380 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:35,079 the next door neighbor was her best friend, so we always knew that she 381 00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:40,760 was around there was I didn't have anything to bother her, like, I 382 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,519 was like, Okay, she's here, I'm good with that. She was 383 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:51,239 comfortable. It felt like when I got home from school, it was like, 384 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:57,360 Okay, I've got grandma vibes coming. We're cool. She did not 385 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:07,199 like my dad. She did not like my dad. And one night I 386 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,719 was asleep, I woke up because I heard footsteps. I thought it was 387 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,639 my step mom, but my step mom had returned to Puerto Rico at this 388 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:22,719 point, so she wasn't in our home. And then I was like, 389 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,599 thinking about it, it was like, that doesn't sound like my dad's footsteps 390 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:36,599 either. They were heavier thuds than even his footsteps. And then I heard 391 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:44,440 my dad's door slide open, and I hear him take a few steps out, 392 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,920 then walk towards my door, open it, and he's like, are 393 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,360 you asleep and I was awake, but I was like, I'm not gonna 394 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,920 I don't want to talk about this right now, so I'm not gonna answer. 395 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,639 And then he closed my door and went back to his room. The 396 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:09,039 next morning, I was like, Hey, were you out? Uh did 397 00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:13,400 you come to my room last night? He's like, yeah, but I 398 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,239 thought I heard you walking down the hallway, so that's why I came down. 399 00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:22,400 I was like, I thought that was you. I mean, I 400 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,880 thought it was you know, your wife, but I just remembered like she 401 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,400 had gone back to the island the other day, so she's not here. 402 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,760 He's like, yeah, uh huh, okay, We're not talking about this 403 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:42,000 ever again. And I'm like what. He shuts it off. He does, 404 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,199 he does? You said you predicted one of your mom's sister's death. 405 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:50,400 I had predictions when I was a kid, too, and they came to 406 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,000 me in dreams, and I too predicted the deaths of my godparents. It 407 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:59,599 frightened me so much that I actually shut it down, and then the predictions 408 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:04,440 stopped. I don't know if I miss it or not, but tell us 409 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,320 about that experience. I it was Chris, like it was the week before 410 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:15,199 Christmas, in twenty fourteen, and my mom was kind of winging about going 411 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:21,159 back to Puerto Rico and like, I don't know if I want to go 412 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:22,280 back. I don't know if I want to deal with my mom or my 413 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:28,559 dad. And she talked about wanting to see her sister, and I'm like, 414 00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,119 well, you never know what's going to happen, mom, you never 415 00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:37,320 know, like if someone's going to pass away. I don't know why I 416 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:45,599 said that. I literally the words just blurted out, and my mom was 417 00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:52,679 like, don't ever talk about someone dying. Yeah, oh my god God. 418 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:59,440 And I felt really bad because like her brother passed away so at a 419 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,320 young age, and I'm like, I should not have said that. I 420 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:10,719 felt so bad, and we ended up just kind of like ignoring it. 421 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:17,679 And then Christmas came by, and then at eleven PM, I was talking 422 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:24,840 to my at the time girlfriend and on Skype, and I just got this 423 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:34,400 feeling of like someone hugging me from behind, and I started crying and we 424 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,159 were on video and I just looked so confused, and she was like, 425 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:47,199 are you okay. I'm like, I don't know. And a minute later 426 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:55,760 the call came and I heard, like my mom answer the phone and I 427 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,639 heard just like the scream of despair, and I was like, I looked 428 00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:05,840 at my girlfriend and was like, I gotta go. I don't know what's 429 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,119 going on. I gotta go. Mm hmm. I come upstairs. My 430 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:16,519 mom sobbing the phones on the ground and I could hear someone talking like TATSA, 431 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:22,480 are you there? Are you there? Can you hear me? And 432 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,880 I and my mom ended up picking the phone and said, I gotta I 433 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:32,840 gotta go. I can't, I can't, and just she screamed that her 434 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,920 sister had passed. Mm hmm. Was it a tragedy or was it it 435 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:45,079 was it was sudden. She had a blood clot and it went to her 436 00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:52,599 heart. It was aneurysm. This does awful. Jeez. Yeah, yeah, 437 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:59,320 I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, that's that's rough. Yeah. 438 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:07,239 I I ended up having a clot and it almost killed me. And I 439 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,039 was like, this is probably how Auntie felt. Not a great way to 440 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:19,280 feel. But no, no, Well, since our first connection, you've 441 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,519 said a lot of stuff has been happening to you. Oh yeah it was. 442 00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:29,960 It started out like kind of small, like just little things here and 443 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:40,039 there, mostly things moving around or one night I was living with roommates at 444 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:45,840 the time and they were gone, so I was like, okay, well, 445 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,559 let me just you know, kind of leave my door open, kind 446 00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:59,559 of kind of enjoy and I fell asleep and I felt like someone got in 447 00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:07,000 bed with me. Like I had turned to the wall. My computer turned 448 00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:15,239 on by itself, which fine, whatever like that happens sometimes, and then 449 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:22,159 uh, the screen lit up and there was a shadow on the wall of 450 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:30,760 a very like masculine figure leaning over me. I had thought the cat had 451 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,719 gotten into my bed because they had they have a Norwegian forest cat. So 452 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,360 I was like, Okay, it's probably just yestola, It's fine. But 453 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,840 then when the light hit everything and it lit up, and I was like 454 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:52,119 nope. I was legitimately terrified. I don't It had been a long time 455 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:58,599 since I had an experience at this point, and I just couldn't couldn't cope 456 00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:04,880 with it. I reached out to my mom and was like, this happened. 457 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,000 I don't know why. It doesn't make any sense. My mom was 458 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:17,000 like, well, you're not exactly uh, ignorant to what is going on 459 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:27,000 in the spaces that other people can't see or hear. It wouldn't surprise me. 460 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,519 If someone was like, oh my gosh, there's someone who can see 461 00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:36,599 me and hear me. I was like, how do I turn this off? 462 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,239 I need a break. Have you done anything since then to try and 463 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,920 learn about how to do that? You gone, yeah, because it got 464 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,840 to a point where I was starting to get overwhelmed and or it can control 465 00:43:52,920 --> 00:44:00,559 your life. Yeah, there were like I went back to visit my moms 466 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:09,920 and my mom made a joke about my my basement friend because the basement was 467 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:16,280 uncomfortable for literally everyone else, and I felt comfortable because I was like I 468 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,000 had lived down there for a while, so whatever was down there and me, 469 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,280 we were like on good terms. And so I came in and it 470 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:30,440 felt like a little bit I could feel the like slight grumpiness to my having 471 00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:34,519 because I came downstairs with my mom of my mom being in there, kind 472 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:38,679 of like invading. But then whatever was there realized I was also there, 473 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:45,159 and was there was like this kind of joy, like this person is back 474 00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:51,360 and I care about this recognition, and yeah, that's nice. Mm hmm. 475 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,400 Yeah. I've interviewed so many people over the years, and I've had 476 00:44:55,519 --> 00:45:00,719 occasion to speak to somebody who's lived with their spirits for forty years. Oh 477 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:08,960 mysh love their spirits and feel the loss of the spirits when they move out 478 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,960 of that residence. Like if they were retiring and they sold their home, 479 00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,960 and not only were they upset that they were leaving, but the spirit was 480 00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:22,039 upset they were leaving. So you do hear that emotional connection some people with 481 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:32,480 their spirits. I could definitely understand that. I feel that with whatever is 482 00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:37,719 down in the basement there just because it, whatever it is, took the 483 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:46,679 time to protect me during like really really rough and difficult moments and made sure 484 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:54,840 that, like I did sleep during the rough times because I never wanted to 485 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:02,440 be bothered during like personal tragedies or anything like that. I lost a friend 486 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:13,159 and lost a friend of suicide, and it was hard because everyone was he 487 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,679 was so young, we were all so young, and I just wanted to 488 00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:24,639 be left alone because I couldn't face it at the time. I dreamed about 489 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:31,519 him later, and I dreamed about him sitting on the bed and like tapping 490 00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:36,519 on my leg and just being like, it's okay, You're not going to 491 00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,880 be okay. You know that's a spiritual visit for him, right, You 492 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,199 know that those special nuances we get from out to cease loved ones. Those 493 00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:49,239 are them that that's them coming back and saying and nudging you and saying, 494 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,079 hey, I'm here, everything's good, I'm okay. I love you. 495 00:46:52,920 --> 00:47:00,000 So just receive an accept and know that it was him. It I need 496 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,159 that. At the time, I was thankful because the last words I said 497 00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:09,360 to him were that I loved him, so I never needed to worry about 498 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:15,000 like regretting last words, right right. I felt very lucky in that, 499 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,639 and I felt very lucky that I did dream about him on occasion with him 500 00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:25,599 being like, hey, what's up, like, and that was good, 501 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,719 that was helpful. Oh, I'm sure. I'm really surprised that that spirit 502 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,519 in the basement never actually showed themselves to you, that you could actually see 503 00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:44,000 who they were, you know what I mean, like or that you weren't 504 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,239 able to get a name or find out who they were or sometimes you date 505 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,199 thing. Yeah, I mean the spirit I had in my house when I 506 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,039 was a kid. He only was on the main floor of the house. 507 00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:59,119 That wasn't until I went down to the basement. I never saw him again. 508 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,360 But as a kid, I was frightened of him because I didn't know. 509 00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:06,000 I didn't understand at the time that he knew I could see him and 510 00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:07,800 my mom. Yeah, it's just a dream. It's just dreamed. My 511 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,840 mom wasn't like your mom. She didn't understand that, and it was just 512 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:19,440 dream and I never understood it until later on. But I always got this 513 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,360 uncle Paul by he was Uncle Paul. I don't know where it came from, 514 00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:28,679 but I had an uncle Paul that died before I was born, so 515 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,159 it very well could have been him trying to say, hey, Ellie, 516 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,880 I'm here. You know. I don't know, but the house was pretty 517 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,119 old house. It was from the twenties, so it could have been somebody 518 00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:43,840 else. And he just had me call him uncle Paul. But I just 519 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,960 received it, accept it, called him uncle Paul, and I was free 520 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,760 to him. And if I could go back there now, I would say 521 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,760 IMPI because I was running from him when I should have been trying to listen 522 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,639 to him. You know. Yeah, but you know, you were a 523 00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,800 kid, and that's that's the hard thing, is like if you're parents don't 524 00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:06,800 aren't okay with stuff like that, or just like oh you're you're you're just 525 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:14,480 streaming or you're it's imaginary. Friend, it's a little hard, absolutely, 526 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,920 So what are you doing to help yourself with these gifts that you have? 527 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,159 What is your plan ahead? And what are you doing to help yourself to 528 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:29,719 understand and deal with it? Currently these days, I'm trying to be more 529 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:35,960 accepting of the fact that I have these gifts instead of just kind of shoving 530 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:46,280 it aside. M It's easier currently with where I live because I have never 531 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:54,400 felt more welcome to be weird quote unquote in a place my partner is very 532 00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:00,239 accepting and it's like, okay, just like if something happens, let me 533 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:07,840 know, so I'm not like confused, like okay, cool. It's nice 534 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:14,320 to have people who are open minded and want to talk about these things with 535 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,679 you, And if something happens, I can be like, hey, so 536 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:23,039 you weren't just like peeking over the counter, right, okay, cool, 537 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:32,880 cool, and not be immediately like are you nuts. I find that journaling 538 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,400 has helped immensely, just kind of like here's what happened today, Here's how 539 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:44,400 I felt about it, Here's what I will do to kind of move forward 540 00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:52,280 from it. Right, Because I can't help everything that's around, and not 541 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,239 everything needs help sometimes they're just out there doing their own thing and they don't 542 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,199 need to be helped, and it's like, hey, I acknowledge you, 543 00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:09,320 I see you. Please don't bother me. And honestly, sometimes they don't 544 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,079 even want to be bothered. No, you know. I mean, I 545 00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:17,960 find that these these random places like old asylums and hospitals and all that I 546 00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:24,320 have, these these investigations open to the public. I wouldn't be surprised if 547 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:29,440 the spirits just get really tired of it after a while, like just let 548 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,360 them rest. Like, yeah, I wouldn't want to be bothered ten times 549 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:43,840 a day, Yeah, Like just let it go. Well, thank you 550 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:50,360 so much for opening up today and sharing your history and how you've come to 551 00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:53,880 come to grips with it and taking the bull by the horns. I guess 552 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:59,239 it's the best way to describe it, because it seems like you're more accepting 553 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,559 and openly receptive to it now because you can shut it off and on it 554 00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:09,280 will, which is a huge, huge thing for people like yourself. So 555 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,360 thank you. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you having me on. 556 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:23,119 You'll have to update me if you have anything else interesting that happens. There's 557 00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:27,840 been a few things recently, but I'm trying to figure out if it's tied 558 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,360 together or not, so we'll have to see on that one. Oh, 559 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:37,639 you'll have to let me know. And thank you to those who tuned in 560 00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,800 today. If you like listening to this week's episode and you're into all things 561 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,880 paranormal, check out my other show, Eleanor Wagner's Creeping It Wheel podcast out 562 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,800 of the Coast to Coast Entertainment Network, which is available wherever you get your 563 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,079 podcasts. If you miss any episode, you can watch and listen to it 564 00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:59,519 directly on my Eleanor Wagner YouTube channel. 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