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Well, hello there, and welcome
to a special edition of the Fight Freaks

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United Recap podcast. I am the
somewhat capable but currently on vacation post teaching,

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and you're not here to hear me. You're here to hear our insiderd

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Dan Rayphael, who is proving himself
to be a savvy technological genius on this

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edition of the show. So it
may sound a little different because again teaching

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on vacation on the East coast of
Florida. No, Ray feel we are

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not taking the NASSA tour so that
I can be launched into orbit. But

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I'm on the East coast of Florida
with the family. I've carved out time,

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as we promised the audience, and
we pledge we're gonna have a recap

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here. Hopefully this sounds good enough. Good to be with you, and

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we're ready to recap a couple of
very intriguing fight cards in both Minnesota and

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New York. How you feeling off
the weekend. I'm feeling good. I'm

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actually interested. Before we started,
you were telling me about how you went

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with the family for seafood on the
beach. I'm interested to hear what we

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have for seafood dinner. We did. We had excellent seafood dinner. Now,

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you and I have not talked about
this. I have a shellfish allergy,

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so I have to be very careful. I know I'm in Florida and

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I have a shellfish allergy. But
the rest of the family pigged out on

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like clams on, crab on,
shrimp on whatever. I can eat fish.

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I just can't eat shellfish, and
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So it was all good. And
I made basically a car payment to

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pay for that meal. So we'll
balance at Rayfuel by eating at Taco Bell

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and McDonald's. I think the rest
of the vacations. Now, it's the

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part where you can call me cheap. Now's the part where you can take

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a two handed swing if you so
choose. Here on the program, all

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right, listen, we got a
busy show. We've got a Carlos Adama's

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victory, and hey, it's boxing. We got another controversial early stoppage to

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discuss. Julian Williams and Stephen Brentman
Edwards are still upset about that. Edgar

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Berlanga did win his match room boxing
debut by a decision and get dance thoughts

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on that and a Virgil Ortiz your
conversation with Virgil ortis unbeaten welterweight gold Boy

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main event coming up here in a
couple of weeks. Again, So minus

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stanionis that in San Antonio we're going
to hear from virtual Orties and your conversation

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with him. So this a busy, ansome nostalgia, including Floyd Mayweather,

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Arturo Gatti? And is this really
right on your rundown? Am I seeing

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that we're this old? That it
was thirty five years ago this coming week

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year, in a couple of days, that Mike Tyson destroyed Michael Spinks in

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one round in nineteen eighty eight,
that's thirty five years ago, Ray feel

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I'm old. I am old.
I think if I'm not mistakens, it's

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we're the same age. That's a
couple of weeks after we graduated from high

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school. It is correct. You
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school and that was the summer of
eighty eight, and then we realized we

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had to start becoming adults. After
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everything else fell into place. By
the way, speaking of falling into place,

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that it helps us. And again
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show overnight Thursday and too Friday,
we come off the weekend vacations or not

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with a recap show. All right, let's get into it. Carlos Adamas

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retains the interim WBC middleweight title.
Again, it was a back and forth

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fight. Adamas was in command and
it looked like Jay Rock, who you

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interviewed on the preview show, had
gotten back in the fight. Adamas scores

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some punches and suddenly it's over.
So your thoughts on that and the rest

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of the card real quick, Dan, Well, first of all, I

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thought it was an excellent card showtime. I put together three quality fights,

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maybe not the highest star power,
let's say, our biggest names, but

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a worthy fight. All three fights
were competitive, All three fights were entertaining,

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and to me, that's the most
important thing in terms of the main

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event. I mean, some people
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the boogeyman of middleweight division, which, as we've talked about, is a

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pretty weak division overall at the moment
because of all the people that have left

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the weight class are retired, moved
up in eight, etc. So he's

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probably one of the best couple two
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now. And I say that thinking, Okay, Triple G is basically in

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retirement. Charlo, He's coming back
for the Canello fight, but he's gonna

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be moving up, so it really
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and maybe jannebec As as the top
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stay a lot, so there's some
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I thought, gave him a very
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of people thought that Julian Williams was
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I never thought that. I mean
I went out on a limb and picked

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him to win the fight. Now
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well. I was appalled when I
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time of the knockout was eighty to
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is absurd. You know, obviously
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that moment, but he certainly won
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it. Be that as a may, very good fight, back and forth,

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a lot of action. Julian came
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where he almost got stopped. He's
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that kept a minute, that he
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really something of a you know,
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He is a veteran. And it
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had him in trouble in the ninth
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and Julian was not I didn't think
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and as he's literally throwing a punch
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Mark Nelson, who was typically one
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my opinion, does a great job
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why he jumped in and stopped the
fight. The guy hadn't been down,

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He wasn't I wasn't badly shaken.
He wasn't like badly caught. He hadn't

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been knocked down previously. I don't
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They both took punishment in the fight. Stopped the fight. I thought

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it was a ship. I thought
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it. I disagreed with the stoppage. I mean, we can dispute these

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things all the time, as we
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Edwards, who was the trainer for
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showtime not once, not twice,
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And I didn't think this was right
either. It was yelling at Mark

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Nelson, who was a very like
likable guy, a pretty chill guy who

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I have met several times, was
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You're a piece of shit, which
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do, but I understand the heat
of the moment. I mean, this

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was maybe Julian Williams's last chance at
this type of a fight, and it's

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just unfortunate that was what was otherwise
a really good, back and forth,

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entertaining worthy kind of fight had had
to be stopped in that manner. I

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disagreed with it. Adamas gets to
win, he'll move on, obviously to

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bigger and better things. I suppose
j william said he was a rema.

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Did you think that the referee Mark
Nelson was out of position and could not

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really see what he thought he saw, which was Williams getting staggered when he

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wasn't even really getting hit. Is
this is much a byproduct of him being

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out of position? I don't think
so. This was definitely not a case

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of what we talked about. You
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That's what happened in the Ishmael Barosso
stoppage where he was stopped against Roy

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Romero, where the referee was at
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In this fight, now, Mark
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he and he's a veteran referee,
he knows the deal there. He'd obviously

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was very close to the two guys, So I don't. I don't think

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it was that at all. I
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I respect Mark Nelson, He's been
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In this one particular instance, I
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to stop that fight. Um,
you know, I feel bad for Julian

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Williams, who's a you know,
a hard working guy, who's a likable

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guy. I gotta be happy for
Damas you know, who was uh you

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know, it's not exactly a you
know, been given anything. He's earned

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what he's gotten. The most amazing
stat to me is he's one of thirty

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six children as father has thirty six
kids. Unbelievable with three different women.

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That's insane. But he's he's fighting, and he's he's making money and he's

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got himself some accomplishment now, and
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him get into a bigger fight.
I don't know who who's out there form

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to fight because, as I've detailed, the weight classes pretty bereft right now

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of of name, type of opponents. But uh, you know, if

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I don't listen, I'll say this, I don't think it will necessarily happen.

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But I don't think a rematch is
necessarily the worst thing I've ever heard

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about. But I wouldn't count on. But it was a good fight,

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all right. And the rest of
the card. They're mighty one in Minnesota

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on Showtime PBC so in the co
feature, he had Ericson Lubin, who

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was a long time top prospect and
became a junior middleweight contender, got stopped

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by Sebastian Fendora in his most recent
fight fourteen months ago. You know,

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a few years earlier, he'd been
stopped by Charlow in the first round of

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his first world title fight. You
know, it feels like he's been around

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forever, doesn't he He's only twenty
seven years old though, because he turned

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a pro at age eighteen, like
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So he fights uh Luis Aris.
The contract was one hundred and fifty

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seven pounds, a little bit over
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And again they put on a good
fight. Lewis Aris is you know he's

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a veteran. Also, his claim
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is a couple of fights ago.
He had a decision victory over the one

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time a unified champion in the Jerian
midway division, Jared Hurd. That was

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the one that was I guess in
the Rainstorm when Floyd when Floyd Mayweather fought

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Logan Paul So that was a big
win for him, but you know he's

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now lost three or four. But
the thing that was aggravating about this fight

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again, it's unfortunately the referees are
making the headlines like the fighters are,

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so Lubin again, he's winning the
fight. But it's a good fight,

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it's competitive and all this. You
know, it was actually it was an

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even fight thirty eight thirty eight and
one of the scorecards and Lubin was up

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forty thirty six thirty nine thirty seven. As they're going in to what became

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the fifth round, which was the
knockout round, so Lubin scores a legit

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knockdown. He hits him with the
right hand kind of like behind the ear,

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kind of like back of the head, not back of the head,

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like maybe barely on the borderline,
but really behind the ear. So it

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was really more of a balance shot
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So, you know, Ariuscott legit
knockdown. He scrambled to his knees,

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was looking at the referee. Referee
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nine, maybe nine and a quarter, but he had not he was certainly

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you know, in boxing, the
rule TJ is very simple you have to

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be off the campus with everything except
the soles of your feet before the referee

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counts to ten. And he did
that. He was up at nine nine

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point two, let's say, and
it seemed very clear to me, and

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the referee then just waved the fight. Now, sometimes the refemee waved the

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fight in that instance because he thinks
the guy's hurt and he can't go on.

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This was clearly if you look at
the referees sort of body language and

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the way that the things were unfolding, this was not that case. This

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was I reached ten and the fight's
over. But that's bullshit because he didn't.

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He reached ten, but after the
man was off the canvas, so

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Arius had every right to be upset
about it. If you watch the replay

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again, it was close, but
he was one hundred percent off the canvas

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before ten and the referee said ten, and he just had no business doing

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so. They called it a knockout. And I kind of feel bad for

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Arius because he's had some losses in
his career. He had, you know,

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never been stopped however, I mean, this was his fourth defeat,

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but the first time he ever got
stopped. And if you're going to get

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knocked out. That's a shitty way
to get knocked out on account that's not

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legit. Now, if the referee
was in a situation where he thought,

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I got to stop the fight because
he's taken a beating, that's a different

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story, but that was not this
case. In this term of the way

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that's stoppage went for Lubin. It's
a big victory from the standpoint that he

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comes off that long fourteen month layoff
in that very brutal, very hilacious fight

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of the Year candidate in April of
last year where he lost by a knockout

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and suffered facial injuries against the Bashel
Fondor. So he bounced back, you

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know, with a win against you, a solid veteran, and he'll move

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on to some bigger and better things. He pronounced himself ready to fight some

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of the big boys at one fifty
four, which at the moment really only

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has one true big boy and that's
the undisputed champion, Charlot. We'll see

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what they can line up for him. But again, entertaining fight and a

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good win for him and I kind
of again similar to what Jay Rock Williams

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kind of feel bad for the way
it was stopped. And yes, and

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in that case, Arias protested to
me clearly not concussed. No, no,

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it wasn't. It wasn't. Obviously
a questionable stoppage on that and you

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and you did well, and we
should just say this one more time too.

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It's a difficult job. It's easy
for all of us, and you're

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there at ringside a lot of the
time. It's easy for all of us

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to judge on TV, but it's
a difficult job in the split second to

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decide do I stop the fight or
not? And a lot of times when

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you screw it up, it's magnified
and everybody sees it, and it's a

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fang based like the outer safe at
first base catch or no catch in football.

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It's missed a lot of the time. But the thing about but you

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know, there you go on what
happened. The Zach Young stoppage in the

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Lubin fight, to me, is
worse than the stoppage in the other fight

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that Mark Nelson made in the main
event. And the reason because Mark Nelson,

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whether you agreed with the stoppage or
you disagree with the stoppage like I

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do, he was making his own
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I mean, that's like you said, that's again you can disagree that,

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but he's he's an experienced referee.
He made a call he felt like

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Join Williams had taken enough. I
don't agree, but that's that's his job.

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Fine. I'm not like mad about
it. I'm just disappointing. The

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difference is that in the Zach Young
stoppage of Louise arius the rule is you

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got to be off the canvas,
but everything, everything but the souls of

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your feet by the count attend and
Louise Arias was And if you look at

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the replay, it's very obvious,
one hundred percent clear that the reason why

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Zach Young stopped the fight had nothing
to do with I don't think the man

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is keeping of continuing. He stopped
it because he's saying I got to ten

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and you're counted out. And he
was not counted out in any any normal

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count because he was standing up off
his off the mat at the count of

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nine. And so that was a
bad stoppage. So yes, that's a

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split second thing on Mark Nelson where
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But the referee is the dude that's
counting, and he's looking right at

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the guy. He knows if he's
standing up or not. And that was

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a terrible that was that was way
worse stoppage in my mind than what happened

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in the main event. All right, at least that car Martinez pointing.

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At least we had no controversy in
that. So for Anando Martinez was uh,

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the unheralded Argentine fighter that was unbeaten. When he challenged Jerwin and Cossas

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for the title last year, he
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somewhat dominating fashion. He beat him
again in a rematch. So now he's

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going into his mandatory defense against the
unbeaten Filipino Jade Bournia, who was eighteen

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and going into the fight that was
also a very tough fight, a good

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fight, a good scrap, as
they say, both guys, very game,

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really basically an even up fight.
After seven rounds, they was very

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close on the scorecards. Bornea was
down one point on two cards, down

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three points on the third card.
But at that point Martinez started to pull

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away and then the big moment,
I guess if you will is okay?

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Early in round nine, you have
borne you getting nailed with a shot on

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the side of his head, and
he had like some swelling around his ear,

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like a cauliflower ear type of thing, and all of a sudden it

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just burst open and the blood started
flowing down his chest like it wasn't an

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ear injury that happened, like a
broken ear drum inside his ear that started

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to bleed. Then you start to
get really worried. This was a laceration

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on the ear that just was grotesque, and the blood started to flow and

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he was able to continue on for
another you know, for the remainder of

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round nine, for round ten,
but he was fading, he was tiring,

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The blood was becoming a problem in
terms of the flow, and I'm

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sure it was painful. And finally, you know, in the in the

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ninth round, or rather, i'm
sorry, in the eleventh round, Charlie

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Fitch, who was the referee,
also a guy that's been a good refe

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for a long long time, mainly
out of New York, he had just

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seen enough and he decided to stop
it. And you could tell it was

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a good stop it because Bornia had
no objection and didn't dispute it. At

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all. And so that was a
good, tough, hard noise win for

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Martinez to retain that one fifteen pound
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he fights in a good weight class, and I hope they can match him

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up with some of the other better
guys in the division. All Right,

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So again Virgil Ortiz interview, coming
up with Dana just a few moments,

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but let's now take a look at
the match Room Boxing debut of Edgar Berlanga

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new signing multi fight Deal super middleweight
main event. I gotta be honest you

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and I left the air on the
bet Us Boxing show thinking this would be

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an Edgar Berlanga ko. Yes,
he got knockdowns of Jason Quigley, but

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did not knock you out. He
got two of them in the twelve round.

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Rayfiel, I thought we were going
to cash a knockdown prop at the

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very last minute in the twelfth round, but it didn't happen. Quickly lasted

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the distance. Your thoughts on that
win and also the co feature beating that

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Adam Nasky tunk and the heavy win
battle with Joe Crustamano. Your thoughts on

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the match Room card real quick well
in terms of Berlanga. You know,

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everybody figured, you know, he's
got to get the knockout to kind of

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kind of get that swagger back at
the momentum. After the sixteen consecutive knockouts

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in the first round to start his
career, and then went four fights in

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a row where he went the distance, he didn't get the knockout. Jason

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quickly showed himself to be a true
pro. Had obviously a tremendous game plan

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with his new trainer, Andy Lee. You could tell watching the way I

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covered Andy Lee's entire professional career and
watching the way that Jason fought that fight,

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I thought I was looking at Andy
Lee because he was standing like him.

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He was holding his hands up high
the way that Andy did. The

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only difference is Andy was a southpaw
and quickly as a right hander. But

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you know, Jason fought I think
maybe the best fight of his entire career

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despite the loss. Remember he had
gotten pulverized by Bubu Andreid in a middleweight

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title fight and knocked out in the
second round. He had been stopped,

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you know, a few years earlier
by Toriono Johnson, sort of like a

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second tier contender for a while,
who was an Olympian, and everybody figured,

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you know, he's a lamb being
led to slaughter against Berlanga, who

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they're looking to purposely find a guy
that's gonna be tough and and and give

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a good effort like quickly always does, but wouldn't be able to stand up

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to the thunder. But he did
so Burlana, he does get the knockdowns.

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He got a legit knockdown in the
third round. He got a knockdown

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in the fifth round, which if
he watched the replay, that seemed very

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questionable a call from a Harvey Doctor
referee who's usually a good referee. Also,

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I feel like he missed that one
that was more of a slip and

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a push than a real knockdown.
But in the twelfth round, Burlana,

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like you could tell like he knows
he's winning the fight, but he's he

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wants to score a stoppage win in
front of his people in New York City

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at the Madison Square Garden Theater.
And he goes out and he gets a

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clean knockdown. He forced then quickly
to take a knee for a second knockdown.

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So there's no doubt at that moment
he's gonna win the fight. It's

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only a matter if can he chase
him around enough at the end of the

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fight to try to get a knockout, and to Quickly's credit, he was

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able to hang in there. But
in the end, you know, Burlinga

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won. It wasn't a bad performance
or anything like that. He won the

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fight against a solid pro. But
I think there's those who will be disappointed

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because he didn't get the stoppage.
For me personally, now, the scorecards

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were one sixteen one oh eight on
two cards, which was eight to four,

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but you take away the points for
the knockdowns and that's how you get

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the one oh eight. One of
the judges had a one eighteen one oh

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six, which was ten rounds to
two. I scored the fight six rounds

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to six, but I had one
fourteen to one ten because of all the

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knockdowns. So it was it Berlangue's
best performance. Not really, but he's

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coming off the year layoff, first
fight with match Room Boxing. He didn't

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talk about it, maybe from an
emotional point of view. He knows that

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because earlier in the week, Canelo
Alvarez signed with PBC, which meant the

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prospect of the fight between him and
Cannelo that Eddie Hearnett talked about that went

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away, But in any event,
he went out there, he did what

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he was supposed to do. You
know, I'm not really sure how to

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grade it. I mean, it
wasn't like a bad performance, but it

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was maybe not great measured against the
expectations, and I'm not sure if that's

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food store. I give him probably
a bee on my card. Eb won

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the fight, he got the knockdowns. Let's credit quickly for being tough enough

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with a bloody nose, a busted
nose. The whole fin let's giving credit.

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All right, what about the heavyweight
co feature? And I must confess

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to the audience again, I'm on
vacation. I have not seen this fight.

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I've read your recap of it,
I've the highlight. But apparently Adam

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Klonowski again was very much a punching
bag throughout this fight. And I saw

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my man Rayfield tweet a couple of
times just looking through tweets today that you

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thought this should have been stopped long
before everything was over. Adam Kunaski's got

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about it as big of a heart
as you could ask for in boxing.

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I mean, he does not quit
at all. He's a he's a good

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guy. You know. I can't
say this but every fighter. But I've

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actually had the opportunity at different times
to just sort of hang out with him.

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I've had dinner with him and some
of his people and stuff. He's

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just he's a real down earth kind
of cool guy and I always wish nothing

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but the best for him. But
that fight last night, as we taped

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this on Sunday, you know,
he took a took a show lacking.

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He got knocked down very hard in
round one on a right hand. I

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thought the fight was over right there. Now, this was his first fight

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with sugar Hill Stewart as his trainer. That didn't seem to help at all.

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In sugar Hill is obviously a top
notch trainer, but Konaki still lacked

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head movement, lacks defense. Basically
what he has is pretty good power and

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just in the balls of steal to
hang in there the way he did.

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Kusamano, if you remember, was
a guy who was probably unfortunately for him,

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maybe not now because he got to
win against Konski, but prior to

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that, was best known for being
demolished in one round by Daniel duba on

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Jake Paul undercard. When Dubois came
to fight on that undercard here in the

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United States. So you know,
most people figured Konski, he's got anything

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left, He's gonna take care of
him. This was supposed to be the

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get well fight for Kensky. He'd
lost three fights in a row, coming

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in two by knockout to Robert Allenius
and then a decision in his most recent

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fight, and you know, he
was sort of retired. He begged his

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manager, Keith Connelly to get him
another fight. Keith did that. He

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didn't get paid nearly the kind of
money he was making seven figures for those

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other losses. For this fight,
you know, he was making maybe one

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hundred and fifty thousand dollars, not
big money relatively speaking, and he took

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a freakin salaki in the fight.
And you know, for Kusamano it's a

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huge win. But from Kensky,
I mean, honestly, it's the end

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of his career. I mean,
I don't like to get too dramatic,

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and when a guy loses, you're
like, oh my god, he's got

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to retire. You know. I'm
mowing about that all the time when people

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get lunatic like that on Twitter.
But this is one of those cases where

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the guy's been not just beaten but
pulverized multiple times, and there's really no

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future for him. I'm not even
I mean, I guess if he wants

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to fight, somebody would book him, because there are bloodsuckers in this business

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that will throw you in as a
warm body. But I don't think him

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and his people are going to allow
that to happen. I would hope that

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the Commission would step in if they
try to do that. Remember the New

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York Commission once suspended a vander Holyfield
after his fight with Larry Donald for you

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know, non performance. You know, you can't say Kannaki didn't perform because

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he gave everything he had, but
he just had nothing left against just a

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regular kind of fighter. So it
look Canasky was at one time, you

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know, he was on the verge
of getting a title fight against Deontay Wilder,

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and you know, different things intervene. The pandemic happened. Wilder loss

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to Tyson Fury, he ended up
losing the rematch with Robert Lennius. It

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was never meant to be. But
he's, uh, I hate to say

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it, but he's all done.
He's thirty four and he's got a wife

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and two young children, and I
think he knows it's time to step away

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and you know, reap the benefit
of all of what he's done in the

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in the in a few million dollars
he did make in boxing, and uh,

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you know, go do something else
because you don't need to get hidden

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head anymore. And it was just
a savage fight. It was a good

405
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,680
fight, by the way, entertaining
as I made the point for about the

406
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,079
first like maybe six rounds, it's
like, Okay, this is a really

407
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,279
good fight. And then you know
there are times with certain fights they turned

408
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:29,359
from like interesting competitive sports events to
like public beatings, and that's what that's

409
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,880
what this turned into. And finally, by the way, Keith Connolly I

410
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,599
mentioned his manager was over in the
corner begging them to throw in the towel.

411
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:41,279
This is in this after the seventh
round when he got beaten so badly

412
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,640
that he thought it was gonna get
stopped in the corner. For some ridiculous

413
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,680
reason, everybody involved allowed it to
go, not not Conny but the corner

414
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,319
and the ref And then finally when
he was getting pulverized there in the next

415
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,160
round, in round number eight,
they finally threw in the towel and the

416
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,759
doctor basically simultaneously as the corner was
tossing the when the doctor, the ringside

417
00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:06,720
doctor was telling the referee to stop
the fight. Now, one thing about

418
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,240
this that you don't see very often
TJ after. This was such a ball

419
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,279
busting, brutal, grueling, physical, just tremendous action fight where they both

420
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,480
were taking punishment because even though Kusumana
won, he didn't walk away without damage.

421
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,240
Also, it was so brutal that
you know, there's more than one

422
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,680
ringside doctor at these at these fights
that doctors went to the corners of both

423
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:32,680
fighters after a round five to check
on them because they were both taking such

424
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,400
punishment. It reminded me of a
day there's a fight back, I want

425
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,519
to say, in like the early
nineties, maybe the late eighties, where

426
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:44,079
where was an ESPN fight there was
so much punishment being given and taken that

427
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,559
the fight was stopped and it was
because and I don't remember the exact fighter

428
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,319
was Prince Charles Williams, I want
to say, was one of the fighters

429
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,720
in the bout. The fight was
stopped between rounds because both fighters were taking

430
00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:59,240
excessive punishment, and they called it
a technical draw. That's what I was

431
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,319
thinking about when I was well.
And uh, and again you did a

432
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:08,279
great job of summarizing it. And
it was the Demarezian uh beating that he

433
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,079
also took. And now this one, from what you described, again,

434
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,119
Kanaski's family and friends and those around
him have got to say, this is

435
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,119
it. I mean you're talking about
you can, if he's not already,

436
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,119
you can get seriously brain damaged.
And that's what you're saying, seriously hurt.

437
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,079
At this point, it's over.
I agree, with you. I

438
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,039
mean it was that was about as
rough of a of a of a of

439
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:30,960
a you know, it's only because
he's got a big heart. A lot

440
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,759
of guys would have been out well
before that. By the way, I

441
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:36,200
just thought of the fight I mentioned
that it was called the technical draw in

442
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:40,720
against. It was Prince Charles Williams
against Murky Sosa in a light heavyweight fight

443
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,079
in a nineteen ninety five. They
ended up having a rematch, but the

444
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,440
first fight was stopped because of excessive
punishment on both sides and called the technical

445
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,119
draw. And that's what I was
thinking about as I'm watching them take a

446
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,000
beating with each other. And the
referee concept fighter safety back in the nineties,

447
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,839
what a concept. On that excellent
recap the two main fight cards that

448
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,480
we had in Minnesota and New York. What say we now segue to an

449
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:11,519
upcoming card, the Golden Boy main
event Stanionis and Virgil Ortise. And Virgil

450
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,039
Ortis an intriguing figure in this for
a lot of different reasons with all the

451
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:21,000
knockouts, but health problems too.
Here's Dan's conversation with the up and coming

452
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:26,799
star welterweight. Well, I'm very
pleased to bring into the podcast this week,

453
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,359
it is the excellent undefeated welterweight contender
Virgil Ortiz Junior. Virgil, Welcome

454
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,599
to the show, and thank you
very much for doing this today. Hey,

455
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,359
thanks for having me out. Yeah, it's my pleasure. We're here

456
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,759
to talk about You've got a very
important fight. Let's just say it's been

457
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:47,559
a long time coming, right,
You're gonna You're gonna challenge the WBA Regular

458
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:51,799
welterweight Champion Amanta Stanionis. It is
on July eighth on the Zone from the

459
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:55,319
eighteen T Center in San Antonio,
not too far from your stomping grounds in

460
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,400
the Dallas area. A little bit
of a hometown crowd for you, I

461
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,799
assume will be on hand. The
first thing I'd like to know, as

462
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,200
I mentioned, this fight's a long
time coming. This fight was supposed to

463
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:12,160
be on March eighteenth, postponed because
uh Stanionis suffered had had needed an append

464
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,680
an appendeck to me, an emergency
appendeck to me, So the fight was

465
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,680
postponed. Then when it was rescheduled, of course, uh not that it's

466
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,599
everybody knows at this point. You
had a relapse of your of rabdough.

467
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,119
The blood disorder that was giving you
problems, how to be postponed again and

468
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,039
now here we are, Um,
can you just tell me just about your

469
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:36,920
general thoughts about having to put off
this significant fight you know multiple times.

470
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,160
I mean, it's a big fight
for both of you guys. Yeah,

471
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,559
yeah, it's a it's a huge
fight for both of us, and uh,

472
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,559
you know my thoughts on that,
it's just uh, at the end

473
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:47,720
of the day, I'm just I'm
glad it's still happening. You know.

474
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:49,640
It is a fight that I wanted
to happen. It was an opportunity that

475
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,359
I wanted to pass up. You
know. I could have taken a kind

476
00:28:55,359 --> 00:29:00,119
of like a stay busy, get
get back better fight, Um, but

477
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,759
I was want to lose an opportunity
to fight for this spell to fight against

478
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,200
stanny Onis and I really wanted to
and still want to fight against him.

479
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,200
So you know, they wanted me
to take another month off, but I

480
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,079
was like, you know what,
I'm ready. I'm ready now. I

481
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,240
feel it in my bones, like
I'm ready, So I just listen,

482
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,839
just do it. Man. That's
that's where we're at right now. So

483
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,799
because of the postponements, everything that's
happened. You haven't fought since last August.

484
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,359
He's going to be coming off a
fight. He hasn't had a fight

485
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:33,720
since April of last year, and
you fought four times in twenty nineteen,

486
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,440
still on the rise at that point, you know, knocking everybody out.

487
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,480
And since twenty nineteen you've had a
total of four fights, so it's obviously

488
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,680
been a much slower schedule for you. Can you kind of just verbalize if

489
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,400
if there is frustration about the lack
of activity, we you know, the

490
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,480
postponents and just trying to be able
to gain some momentum, because every time

491
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:56,440
you do fight, you score a
knockout, you usually look great doing it,

492
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,599
and then it's a long way till
the next fight. Yeah, of

493
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,279
course, you know. So it's
uh, the lack of activity, you

494
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,640
know, it's it's it's frustrating,
you know, you know you uh,

495
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,559
I get this chaining in and you
know, get to win. I have

496
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,400
momentum behind me, just just forward
to uh, just for me to lose

497
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,079
the momentum and not fight again the
next year and you know, just in

498
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,319
twelve months. You know, it's
it's all frustrating, but we're trying to

499
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,559
make the most out of everything.
Um, you know, we're overcoming every

500
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:30,440
obstacle and uh you know, hopefully
after this fight we can we can change

501
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,319
that again. We can get the
same mall rolling again. So I must

502
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:38,200
ask, how is your health now
after all the issues? My health is

503
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,759
great, it's honestly under right now. Well, I'm really glad to hear

504
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,440
that, because I mean, the
first thing, you got to take care

505
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,359
of yourself as far as you know, being a boxer is tough enough.

506
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,759
But if you're not healthy going into
the fight, you know you're doomed.

507
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,759
Uh. I saw some comments or
hurt some comments from you where you're in

508
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:59,599
your issue in this relapse with rab
though was due to you having long COVID

509
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,960
and it not you know, it
impacting your immune system or whatever the issue

510
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:07,319
was, and was making this,
uh you know, sort of exacerbating this

511
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,759
problem that it occurred once before.
Are you over long COVID or do you

512
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,599
still have symptoms of it? Do
you have to do anything different as far

513
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,279
as you know, altering your training
and you know, to make sure it

514
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:19,400
doesn't happen again? Like what have
they told you about? Then? How

515
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:25,200
how do you deal with it?
So I'll tell you like, how so

516
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,880
you know after COVID. So my
first fight after COVID was Samuel Bargains And

517
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:37,160
if you pay attention to the post
fight interview or whatever, let's probably the

518
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,359
interview probably happened like five minutes after
like the fight in there or whatever.

519
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,359
I was tusseling and push and I
literally could not talk. And because I

520
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,279
was, I was trying to breathe, like I just I could not breathe.

521
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,920
And uh, you know, ever
since that happened, um noticing my

522
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,880
training, like I was getting tired, like in the first second round,

523
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,519
I just it was it was.
It was a struggle, and uh,

524
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,519
you know, leading up to the
other five Hooker, I got COVID again.

525
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,119
Literally a month before the Hooker fight, maybe like two three two three

526
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,200
weeks before, I had a train
like that literally thought I was going to

527
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:15,240
die. I'm not exaggerating, Yeah, I'm not exaggerating, Like, but

528
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:19,759
just so you don't realize at this
point that that's what they turn along COVID.

529
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,799
No, Okay, so now you
have the Murray's Hooker fight again.

530
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,680
You look great in that fight,
scored a knockout in the seventh round.

531
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:30,920
Yeah, and but to be honest, I didn't feel that strong enough fight

532
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:35,880
even in my last sparing um.
You know, they really didn't want me

533
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,920
to fight, and I was just
like then, like I just went through

534
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,680
all this shit. I just I
just had COVID. I just spar during

535
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:46,359
COVID, I just trained. I
didn't look horrible in in sparring. You

536
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:50,599
know, I'm always gonna I'm always
gonna keep some kind of you know,

537
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,640
technical ability in there, you know, because I do what I do.

538
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:59,680
But I wasn't one hundred percent.
I wasn't ninety eighty. I was sort

539
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,240
of like at sixty would I would
say, But I knew that I still

540
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,240
had it in me to win,
and uh, you know, I want

541
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,200
against Race Hooker without my power being
there. You know, racist isn't that

542
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,160
big. But I feel like I
was not moving him the way I should

543
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,960
have. I felt like I should
have got him out of there and making

544
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,880
maybe like the fourth probably if I'm
being honest, But you know, then

545
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,160
we got the met machine fight.
I don't think I looked too better in

546
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,839
the Me Machine fight, but you
know, it's it was just a long

547
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,119
time coming that my body was just
not recovering after that. Now I wasn't

548
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,119
giving it time to a covered because
my body wasn't for sanding. I didn't

549
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,000
know that yet. So how did
you then find out that, in fact

550
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,359
it was long COVID or attributed to
the COVID that you had had previously.

551
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:50,599
So I always had my suspicions.
But I'm not a doctor, right,

552
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,200
you know, I've always had my
suspicions. I knew something was up with

553
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,240
my body because no one really knows
my body better than me. I know

554
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,759
I'm feeling one hundred percent of the
time me being about I'm not going to

555
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,480
complain, So my coaches don't sometimes
they don't know when I'm on a hard

556
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,199
recent this is my job not not
to show weakness, you know. But

557
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:15,719
recently we had to go to Fresno
and visited doctor Bautista and the doctor that's

558
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,400
been helping me throughout this whole recovery
process, and he said, yeah,

559
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,760
it's do the wrong COVID and and
I told him about it. And when

560
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,039
I told him my stories and my
experiences, he confirmed ithim like, yeah,

561
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:29,519
that's one hundred percent what it is. So that's that's how we came

562
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,760
down to the diagnosis. All right. So after you had beaten Mean Machine.

563
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Kabalowskis, you were supposed to have
the Mackenson fight that was postponed because

564
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:40,320
of your first incident with Rabdough,
and then you got it rescheduled. I

565
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,440
guess you felt better and you went
into the Mackinson the fight finally in August

566
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,920
of last year. When you had
that fight, did you feel like you

567
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,639
would overcome the long covid or was
that giving you problems yet again? Like

568
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,599
you mentioned, it was for the
Vargus Hooker and Mean Machine fights, So

569
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:59,360
I definitely didn't still strong that fight. I feel like that was the worst

570
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,679
I had ever went into a fight. I think that that was the first

571
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:06,440
fight where I was sitting in the
mints in the locker room and there was

572
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:10,239
no explosion. I was just like, oh damn, like you know,

573
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:15,159
and yeah, my hant talked to
mckinson. He was a good fighter.

574
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,000
It's I feel like I'm lucky that
it was against him, because he was

575
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:22,119
He's not a power puncher, He's
not a relatinist fighter like that. So

576
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:28,119
I feel like I kind of got
lucky that it wasn't someone else. You

577
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,519
know, Well, I'm looking at
the roster of the fights that we've talked

578
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,719
about Samuel Varges has been like maybe
not a world champion, but he's been

579
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,840
a pretty decent contender and fought a
lot of good opponents. Maurice Hooker is

580
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,480
obviously a very reputable fighter. He
was a former world champion. Cavlowskis an

581
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,519
Olympian. Dave Crawford one of his
toughest fights. You know, been in

582
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:47,519
the ring with a lot of good
guys, A good welterweight contender. Mckinson

583
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:51,480
like you mentioned, maybe not the
you know, the strongest guy out there,

584
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,400
but he was undefeated when you fought
him. So you're telling me basically,

585
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,800
you're beating like solid quality opponents,
if not not necessarily champions, but

586
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,360
you're beating good guys buy knockout,
by the way, in dominating fashion in

587
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,119
terms of what the scorecards were reading
at the time that you scored the knockout

588
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,760
and you're fighting them at like sixty
percent. What does that say about the

589
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,159
type of fighter that you are and
just the threshold you have for dealing with

590
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:20,559
these types of things. Yeah,
I mean, I just what's that about?

591
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:24,880
Minus something? And I know I
can do it. You know,

592
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:29,360
I don't want to make myself big
headed. But if I'm put in a

593
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,800
situation where i'd either show myself or
to everyone else, but mostly to myself,

594
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,440
that I can do something, then
I'm going to do it. Okay.

595
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,679
Now, Stanionis, with all due
respect to the other fighters that I

596
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,760
just mentioned, my opinion is that
he would be on a higher level,

597
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,320
a better grade of opponent. Also
undefeated, also was an Olympian, you

598
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,599
know, had that very grueling victory
against Betaiah to get this title. What

599
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,199
is your take on Stanionis and what
he brings to the table. He showed

600
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,360
a lot of heart, a lot
of resilience when he won the belt against

601
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:01,039
Beataiah in his last fight, and
uh, you know had that decorated amateur

602
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,880
career. So I'm sure you've taken
a look at him. Give me your

603
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,119
thoughts about your opponent that you're gonna
face. No, he's He's definitely a

604
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:13,440
guy that I've had my eye on. I think that that he's a kind

605
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,239
of fighter that that that brings it. You know, he's he's just one

606
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,960
of those fighters that the fantom to
watch and uh, it was clear why

607
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,440
he's a He's a relentant spider and
you know he can be dangerous too.

608
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,519
So when I look at this fight, I mean, we know that the

609
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,679
Terrence Crawford fight with Spence is coming
up at the end of the July.

610
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:35,400
Uh, they're sort of like the
generation right before you, I guess with

611
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,639
Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia, Sean
Porter, even andre Berto Lamont Peterson,

612
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,840
a lot of good fighters in there. I feel like you guys are maybe

613
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,679
that that what's kicking off the next
era of welterweight boxing. Uh do you

614
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,639
feel like that is the case that
that you guys are the ones they're gonna

615
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,840
lead the way into this next group
of one hundred forty seven pounders. I

616
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,599
believe. So we're like the kind
of like the new class. There's high

617
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,480
school classes were like the new class
coming up, and uh, we're we're

618
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,280
gonna be ruling for a while too. Very good. I just want to

619
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,119
wrap it up with this, Virgil. I appreciate you doing this. H

620
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:13,559
How do you think the fight goes? And is it all important for you

621
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,920
to extend your knockout trick? You
are nineteen o with nineteen knockouts. You've

622
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,639
you've knocked every man out that you
faced, So how do you think this

623
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:22,159
one goes and I know you think
you're gonna win, but do you think

624
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:28,599
you also extend that knockout a record. I guess you know he's a he's

625
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:32,280
a tough fighter, So I'm not
gonna say that I am I'm gonna knock

626
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,199
him out because I truly don't know. He's a he's a tough fighter.

627
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,480
Uh, will I take the opportunity
if I see it, you know,

628
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:42,920
of course, as everyone else will. So really I can't. This isn't

629
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,679
even me trying to be humble.
This is just a tough fight. Yeah,

630
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,719
you know it's it's I truly don't
know. Well, I'll be very

631
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,920
interested to watch it. I think
that's one of the reasons why it is

632
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,519
a fascinating fight, because nobody really
knows. I mean, sometimes you have

633
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:57,400
a real feeling, you know,
you think you know, But you guys

634
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,440
have both shown you can do a
lot of different things that ring. So

635
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,880
all I can say is best of
luck to you, and I know many

636
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,079
many boxing means are very anxious and
excited to watch this one, and especially

637
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:07,719
after the delay. So I'm glad
it's back on and I wish you the

638
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,360
best. Lug Virgil, Thank you
very much. For doing this, all

639
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,400
right, thank you, you bet
all right? So great stuff. And

640
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,920
again the Ortiz standing on his his
fight week is coming up that you could

641
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,199
see him through technology on that zoom. But there's so many concerns right now

642
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:25,320
about both guys. I mean stany
Udas had he happened back to me,

643
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,480
but Ortiz has got this blunt disorder
that's cropped up twice now on him.

644
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,800
How did he look, body language, all of that to you during the

645
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,320
conversation. Just to wrap it up, Oh, listen, Virgil looked good.

646
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,719
He sounded good. He's excited about
it. You know, those who

647
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,519
listened to the interview, you know, we discussed the fact that it was

648
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:45,599
attributed to the relapse to his bat
with long COVID. He really went in

649
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:47,760
deep on his health issues that have
affected him, I guess for the last

650
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,519
few different fights. I thought he
was very honest about that, and I

651
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,679
hope he's in a top health and
condition going into the Standing Onas fight,

652
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,760
because no knock on the other guys. He's defeated people like Maurice Hooker for

653
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,480
example, former world champion, you
know, Samuel Vargas. He talked about

654
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,280
the Michael Pinkinson fight who's not you
knows, a good boxer, but not

655
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,880
a big punch or anyway, those
types of fights that he's had over his

656
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,800
last you know, four or five
fights, he was not, he said,

657
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,519
in the best of shape, not
because he didn't train, but he's

658
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:17,280
talking about because of his health in
terms of what was happening to him because

659
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,159
of COVID. Stanyonis is a great
above those guys, as I mentioned to

660
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,719
him, and he's gonna have to
be at his best because that's a very

661
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,000
tough fight. It's July eighth.
They're fighting for Stanyonis' is WBA Regular title,

662
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,800
which reality is going to be that
most likely the winner of that fight,

663
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,280
at some point will become the only
WBA champion once uh Spence and Crawford

664
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,079
take care of all their business and
and those titles either become vacant or you

665
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:43,280
know, or they will, I
guess at some point be get vacant when

666
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,360
they move up and wait, et
cetera. So there's a lot on the

667
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,800
line for this fight, and it's
one of the best fights on the calendar

668
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,519
right now. And Virgil he's excited
for it, and I wished I'm both

669
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:53,559
good luck. They're both good guys
and they both made good fights, so

670
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,440
that one coming in a couple of
weeks. One other news that I was

671
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,280
speaking of Spenson Crawford undercard out being
announced and filled out for July twenty nineteen.

672
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,920
Venkas, give me a little more
on that real quick before some nostalgia.

673
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:09,119
Well, so, they of course
have the big fight Spence and Terrence

674
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:12,480
Crawford in the main event, but
of course we knew that the undercard was

675
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,559
coming. I had reported a couple
of weeks ago, as others had,

676
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:19,800
that the co feature would be a
lightweight fight between Isaac Pitbull Cruise and the

677
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,199
undefeated Giovanni Cabrera, and that is
in fact what that fight will be in

678
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,440
the co feature. It's a twelve
round Are they calling it a WBC and

679
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:30,760
WB lightweight eliminator? I mean,
I don't I love the fact that the

680
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,039
Cruise is on the card. I
don't think it's the greatest co feature because

681
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,840
I don't really think hugely of Giovanni
Cabrera, but hopefully it will be entertaining.

682
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,559
And then the other fights that they
announced on their card. You have

683
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:49,039
the outstanding undefeated junior middleweight prospect Hazer's
Ramos against the very tough nose Sergio Garcia

684
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,519
from Spain that has built as a
WBC middle junior middleweight eliminator. Look,

685
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:54,880
Ramos is one of the best young
guys out there. Garcia has been in

686
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,960
the ring with some quality opponents that
should you know, he should give him

687
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,000
some competition, I guess, and
I'll say this, if he somehow can

688
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:07,119
can get Sergio Garcia out of there, I think that would be pretty good

689
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,559
feather in his cap. That would
be pretty impressive because, uh, you

690
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:12,880
know, he's, like I said, he's he's a pretty tough guy.

691
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:15,079
He's lost two of his last three
fights, but they were against you know,

692
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,400
legit guys. He lost the fight
to Fendora, he lost the fight

693
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,800
to the former champion Tony Harrison.
So those are those are known guys,

694
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,239
you know with who's have had good
careers, and Ramos is still very young

695
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,480
and on the on the rise.
So that's a you know, it's the

696
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,079
it's the young guy against the old
guy, you know, kind of like

697
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:35,480
we'll call it a crossroads fight and
then uh the opening fight, which you

698
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,280
know you can never get enough heavyweight
action. I guess, Uh, they

699
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:44,199
have the prospect Gergen Hovanissian uh an
Armenian that's fighting out of out of California.

700
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,480
He's taken on Victor Faust, who's
he's been defeated, but he's a

701
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:50,880
he's a guy that's always in an
action fight, however long ago. So

702
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,280
we'll see the two heavyweights throw bombs
away. He got the great young prospect

703
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,880
and Ramos taking a step up against
the veteran, and then you got the

704
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,639
pit bull in the feature, and
then we get onto the big time main

705
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,719
event. So, uh, you
know, is it is it? The

706
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,960
most star studded, most epic undercard. Doesn't remind anybody of the great Don

707
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,079
King undercards or those types of things, Absolutely not. But I do think

708
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:13,400
that in the end, I mean
most people are buying for the main event,

709
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,519
obviously, I think people will get
some entertainment value out of it.

710
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,440
I wish it was maybe a little
bit stronger, but it is what it

711
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:23,840
is, all right, Nostalgia time. It was eighteen years ago on Sunday,

712
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:29,920
as we released the podcast overnight Sunday
in the Monday, Floyd Mayweather our

713
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:36,920
turl Thundergotti money May's first pay per
view headliner, and you were ringside for

714
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,519
this some some nostalgia on app real
quick, please not a happy memory for

715
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:42,960
me, to tell you the truth. You know, everybody knows who listens

716
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,920
or reads or watches me or whatever
knows, I'm that our Toro Gotti has

717
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,239
always been my favorite all time fighter
since you know, he became a star

718
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,320
back in the nineties, So you
know, I have a love for Arturo

719
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,119
Gotti. That said, you know, when it comes to making picks on

720
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,280
fights, never for one second of
my life that I doubt that Floyd Mayweather

721
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:00,800
was not only going to win the
fight, but was gonna win, probably

722
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,679
in pretty one sided fashion. And
unfortunately, if you're a Gaddy fan,

723
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,400
that's exactly what happened. Mayweather,
uh, you know, belittled Gaddy coming

724
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,960
into this long awaited fight, kept
calling him a sea fighter. So I'm

725
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,639
not sure why we should have been
impressed when he destroyed the sea fighter.

726
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:15,800
You know, if you really want
to promote a fight, you talk about

727
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,599
how great your opponent is. He's
an a fighter, he's one of the

728
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,360
best guys ever fought. Then when
you're destroying you're gonna get a lot more

729
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,360
credit. But Floyd, you know, he doesn't roll like that. He

730
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,239
did go in there and he dropped
Gaddy in the first round. Uh,

731
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,599
and just pummeled him. I'd beat
the living shit out of him. I

732
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:31,000
mean, what can you say?
Gaddy had had been in some wars,

733
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,679
and even though he had lost some
fights, he never never took an absolute

734
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,599
just one side of ass kicking the
way he did that night against Floyd Mayweather.

735
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,039
And that, like you mentioned,
that was the first time Floyd had

736
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,559
headlined a pay per view, first
time for Gaddy. Also, right,

737
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,199
I take that back. Maybe he
had actually headlined against Oscar deal joya.

738
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,559
I can't remember which which fight came
first, an intent he had been on

739
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:57,400
pay per view, but but,
but, but the important thing was for

740
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,559
Floyd Mayweather. You know, it
launched him into the big time in terms

741
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:04,840
of becoming the all time pay per
view king. And just so I remember

742
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,840
here Gaddy had headlined on pay per
view. Uh well, actually know what

743
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:13,679
I'm mixing things up. I let
people know when when when Gaddy fought Oscar

744
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,000
that was actually a live HBO fight, not a pay per view. So

745
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:19,719
yes, this was actually our turo's
first ever pay per view headliner. Also,

746
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,320
um, but for me, whether
he went out to become the all

747
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,400
time pay per view king and it
started with the Gaddy fight. You know,

748
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,480
he went to Atlantic City, which
was Gaddy's you know, home turf

749
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,400
and sense of where his fan base
was, even though you know he's from

750
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,239
Canada, but he was based out
of New Jersey and that's where most of

751
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,000
his hands were. And uh,
they put on a big event and unfortunately

752
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:40,119
for Gaddy, he got absolutely destroyed
that night, and Floyd Mayweather won a

753
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:44,159
title at one hundred and forty pounds
and never looked back. And you know,

754
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,159
on and on he went, winning, winning, winning for the rest

755
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:49,239
of his career, no doubt.
And then, as I joked at the

756
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,679
beginning of the podcast, we're going
to wrap it up and I pluge We're

757
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,039
gonna be done soon. But how
about this Our conversation's gonna be longer than

758
00:45:55,079 --> 00:46:00,679
the Michael Spink's destruction at the hands
of Mike ty said. That was five

759
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,320
years ago, Tuesday, and it
took like a minute and a half.

760
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,239
Yeah, there was so much build
up and it literally took a minute and

761
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,159
a half for Tyson, at the
height of his dominance, to destroy Michael

762
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:15,920
Spins for his one and only pro
loss. And Michael Spinks never fought again

763
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,559
Dan Rayfield that night. Michael Spinks
never did fight again. And that was

764
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,880
not a case of what happened in
the as we're talking about with the with

765
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,519
the Gaddy fight, where you know
he was just taking such a beating that

766
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:29,920
Buddy mcgut very humanely stopped the fight
in the corner. This was a matter

767
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,079
of Mike Tyson walking across the ring
and absolutely laying a wrecking bomb on Michael

768
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,679
Spins, who look petrified from the
time that they stepped into the ring.

769
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,159
And people, I like to put
this a little bit perspective, This is

770
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:43,800
not just any old fight, Okay, this was a massive, massive event.

771
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,119
I cannot stress that to people enough
who were not around at that time.

772
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:51,199
This was Tyson who was the undisputed
champion in the sense that he had

773
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,000
all three of the major title beouts. This was the three belt here,

774
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:57,320
remember, But it was Michael Spinks
who was the lineal champion. He had

775
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,519
defeated Larry Holmes two times controversial at
least in one of those fights, but

776
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,159
he was the guy with the lineage. He was stripped of the IBF title,

777
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,159
which was the sanctioning body belt that
he had won because he elected to

778
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,840
take a big, big money fight
against Jerry Cooney instead of staying in At

779
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,800
the time, what HBO was doing
which just the heavyweight World Series to be

780
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:23,800
to crown an undisputed champion. Tyson
ended up winning that and then finally they

781
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,840
were able to make you know,
a deal between HBO and Don King,

782
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,760
who was the promoter of of of
Tyson and Michael Spinks who was with Butch

783
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,280
Lewis you want to talk about clashing
of personalities, those two guys could clash

784
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,519
in a big way. But they
finally made the fight. It was at

785
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:43,519
the at the Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic
City Convention Center at the time they was

786
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,360
what they called it Convention Hall,
and this was at the time the biggest

787
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:51,039
money fight in the history of boxing. I mean as big as it gets.

788
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,719
Two mega stars, two guys that
wound up in the Hall of Fame.

789
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,480
And uh, I know, I
don't think I'm alone. You know,

790
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:59,880
when you look and we've talked about
this with other fighters before, when

791
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,719
you look at the if you were
to draw like a line graph of where

792
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,440
a fighter is in his career on
the on the upward trajectory, when they

793
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:08,039
reached their peak and then they maybe
are still outstanding, but they go over

794
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:12,440
the top of the mountain and it's
sort of down from there. The apex

795
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,559
of Mike Tyson's career was the night
that he knocked out Michael Spinks in ninety

796
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:19,039
one seconds. People hadn't even gotten
to their seats yet because they were lazy

797
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:22,360
now waiting there. There was people
that missed the fight because they were derelic

798
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,679
and getting there. He just blew
him away. I mean, who could

799
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:29,639
forget Jim Lampley's call, you know
he's down again and in serious trouble.

800
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,760
It was just a legendary call.
Tyson didn't even look excited when he won

801
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,239
the fight. You think he just
won the lineal championship. He just won

802
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,639
by first knocket in the biggest fight
of all times in terms of money and

803
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,039
all. He got to his arms
out like what's next, what do you

804
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:46,480
expect and hugging him and it's like
that older was to knock this guy out

805
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:51,199
after And people need to appreciate it
was really built up dan for about two

806
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,679
years maybe more, and they finally
fought and it didn't last two minutes.

807
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:58,119
Here's your thing about it, though, And this is sort of like the

808
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,039
uh, the stuff of legend also
that was sort of like, well,

809
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:04,440
I guess you call it urban legend, but it's actually true. And if

810
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,760
you go back from an interview I
had with Mike Tyson, I had,

811
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,599
like I've had, I had many
extensive interviews with Tyson's over the years,

812
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:14,159
but before he had what would turn
out to be his final fight against Kevin

813
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,199
McBride, I had a sit down
with him where we discussed a whole bunch

814
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,480
of different topics. I think he
once sent you the link to that story.

815
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,320
So one of the things about the
Michael Spinx fight that was sort of

816
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,519
like the stuff of legend was how
in the dressing room before he even came

817
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,480
to the ring. You know,
you don't want to like when you get

818
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:30,880
Mike Tyson upset before a fight,
you're sort of like, it's like poking

819
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,960
the sleeping bear. So the Michael
Spinx team, butch Lewis, they were

820
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:39,880
unhappy about something about the way that
Mike's gloves were way his hands were wrapped,

821
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,880
and they made a big stink about
it in the locker room, and

822
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,440
it really kind of pissed off Tyson
and Mike Tyson punched a hole in the

823
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:50,800
wall in the dressing room, literally
punched a hole in the wall in the

824
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,719
dressing room and was all in a
lather before he even came to the ring.

825
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:57,599
And then he took that same fist
and he destroyed Mike Michael Spinx with

826
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,639
it. And that was probably the
worst thing to do, was to get

827
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:01,960
Tyson pissed off before the fight.
So you know, here he is in

828
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,159
the dressing room, getting ready to
come out for the biggest fight of his

829
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,159
of his career, and you get
him so pissed off. He literally punched

830
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,440
a hole in the dressing room wall, and then he came in and he

831
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:15,039
punched a hole in Michael Spinks's head
and body, and one, you know,

832
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,679
the biggest fight of his time,
of his career at that time,

833
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,199
the biggest fight in boxing at the
time. And let me tell you something,

834
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,840
this is no exaggeration. I mean, I don't think anybody would say

835
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,119
this now, but I remember,
and you can find them on YouTube.

836
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,800
So a week later, when HBO
showed the replay of this fight, they

837
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,440
had assembled a panel of the top
boxing reporters, New York reporters, my

838
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,320
old mentors, Michael Cats, you
had Phil Berger from the New York Times,

839
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,679
I mean, Dad, I think
maybe they had like four or five

840
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,960
guys on there talking about Tyson.
These were serious journalists and they were having

841
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:46,519
like a and Glarry Merchant of course, was part of the panel. They

842
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:52,159
were having like a legitimate discussion about
is Mike Tyson the greatest heavyweight of all

843
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,519
time? Think about that now.
Now, maybe some people might rate him

844
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,480
high up in the top ten.
I personally don't, but these were these

845
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:02,119
were serious conversations about is he the
greatest fighter in the heavyweight division? Ever?

846
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,039
After what he did to Michael Spinks. That's how big of a deal

847
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,079
because he had just a shack of
energy. He had destroyed everybody for about

848
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:13,599
two years. This was the eight
fight in a two year period, going

849
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:17,199
back to Trevor Berbick, where with
the exception of like bone Crusher Smith hugging

850
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,199
him the entire time and maybe Tony
Tucker staying upright and avoiding him enough to

851
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,760
get a decision. Other than that, he destroyed everybody else, including Larry

852
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,880
Holmes, along the way to then
destroy Michael Spinks. And we can't over

853
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:37,639
emphasize he looked so unbeatable Dan that
in that time frame summer of eighty eight,

854
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,280
he looked unbeatable, and we won
two more knockout title defenses and Buster

855
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,000
Douglas then beat him and that's why
it was such a shocking upset in nineteen

856
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,280
ninety. So there you go.
What people should understand, by the way,

857
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,960
is when you say, you know, eight fights over two years,

858
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,320
like we have guys today that might
fight once or twice over that period of

859
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,559
time. Mike Tyson, I mean, this is not this is legit.

860
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:04,039
He fought like thirteen times in nineteen
eighty six, that's right, thirteen times

861
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,800
in that com He defended the heavyweight
title seven times inside of two years,

862
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,760
had eight total fights. He wanted
against Trevor Burwick November eighty six, the

863
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,880
Sphinx fight was a seventh title defense
by June of eighty eight. It wasn't

864
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,320
even November, by the way,
sign of two years. Here's the thing,

865
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,079
he didn't minute his seven times.
There you go. And when I

866
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,000
talked about what he did in nineteen
eighty six, he had his first fight

867
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:27,840
of nineteen eighty six, it's his
pre championship in January, and when he

868
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,280
defeated Trevor Berwick to win the WBC
title, that was at the end of

869
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:36,440
November. So really in eleven months, he fought thirteen times, and some

870
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,599
of those fights, by the way, I mean granted somewhere against you know,

871
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:43,840
complete stooges, but he was he
was fighting a better level of opponent.

872
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,119
On ABC, On HBO, he
fought Marvis Frasier, who he pummeled

873
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:51,159
in thirty seconds. He fought,
you know, a tough guy like Jose

874
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,760
ribalta quick tell us, quick kill
us. Also on an ABC Sevy Fright.

875
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,320
I think that hundred percent he fought. He fought Mitch Green. You

876
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,039
know, he fought Jesse Ferguson when
he told everybody, I want to punch

877
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,679
I want to punch his nosebone through
his brain. I mean, he was

878
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,920
fighting a regular. Imagine if one
of the best young fight like Matt Again,

879
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,000
I'm not comparing the dude, but
like I just talked about how great

880
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,039
of a prospect Jesus Ramos was as
it relates to his appearance on the undercard

881
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:20,239
coming up of Spence and Crawford.
Imagine if if he fought not thirty let's

882
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,760
say, imagine he fought six times
in a year and he was knocking everybody

883
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:29,199
out on on national television or on
showtime or on whatever his broadcasters, or

884
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,440
on undercards of pay per views,
people would be going crazy. Tyson was

885
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,599
a heavyweight and he was going towards
the title. Fought thirteen times, so

886
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:37,760
when he finally got a bunch of
defenses under his belt, he was already

887
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:43,840
a superstar. Spinx had been the
undisputed rather the lineal champion, had had

888
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,840
beaten Larry Holmes twice, had been
the light heavyweight champ, and just got

889
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,119
rolled like he was a piece of
garbage by Tyson that night. So again

890
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:57,599
I can't. I cannot over or
overestimate or or or say more about how

891
00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:01,119
big that fight was when it happened
thirty five years ago. It was great

892
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:04,679
nostalgia. All right. You gotta
understand, I'm on vacation. I'm getting

893
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,679
the stink Guy right now because we've
got to wrap this up because we gotta

894
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,000
go get dinner on VACA. You
did a great job with the technology.

895
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:15,119
We'll tell the peeps again. We'll
be back under regular circumstances with a preview

896
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:17,760
coming this weekend including Jared Real,
Big Baby Anderson the heavyweight, and the

897
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,400
top ranked main event. Speaking of
heavyweights, up and coming, Knockout Guy

898
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,840
from Toledo, Ohio, fighting in
his hometown. Will be ready to preview

899
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,559
that brother Rayfiel, have a great
week. I'm gonna hang on vacation for

900
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:30,880
a few more days and be back
in touch with you later this week,

901
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,880
my friend. That sounds good.
I have to say that I'm a little

902
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,880
skeptical about being on vacation having taco
bell, but do what you gotta do.

903
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,800
I have teenagers right now that they
want to make a run for the

904
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,280
border, So we're gonna Google.
We're gonna go and take two of that

905
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:49,199
great job again with all of this
again Radius reviewers, and make sure you're

906
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,000
following, are subscribing on Apple podcast, Google Podcasts, Spotify. We always

907
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,559
come off the weekend vacation or not
with the Fight Freak Unit recap. Brother

908
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:58,760
Rayfield, behave this week. I'll
talk to you on the preview. Learned

909
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,679
a week, my friend, I'll
try. Thank there we go, there's

910
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,400
day Raphael. I'm merely t J
Reeve. Thank you for finding us on

911
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,760
the Fight Preach Unit recap.