Well, hello there, and welcome to a special edition of the Fight Freaks
United Recap podcast. I am the somewhat capable but currently on vacation post teaching,
and you're not here to hear me. You're here to hear our insiderd
Dan Rayphael, who is proving himself to be a savvy technological genius on this
edition of the show. So it may sound a little different because again teaching
on vacation on the East coast of Florida. No, Ray feel we are
not taking the NASSA tour so that I can be launched into orbit. But
I'm on the East coast of Florida with the family. I've carved out time,
as we promised the audience, and we pledge we're gonna have a recap
here. Hopefully this sounds good enough. Good to be with you, and
we're ready to recap a couple of very intriguing fight cards in both Minnesota and
New York. How you feeling off the weekend. I'm feeling good. I'm
actually interested. Before we started, you were telling me about how you went
with the family for seafood on the beach. I'm interested to hear what we
have for seafood dinner. We did. We had excellent seafood dinner. Now,
you and I have not talked about this. I have a shellfish allergy,
so I have to be very careful. I know I'm in Florida and
I have a shellfish allergy. But the rest of the family pigged out on
like clams on, crab on, shrimp on whatever. I can eat fish.
I just can't eat shellfish, and I've got to be careful around it.
So it was all good. And I made basically a car payment to
pay for that meal. So we'll balance at Rayfuel by eating at Taco Bell
and McDonald's. I think the rest of the vacations. Now, it's the
part where you can call me cheap. Now's the part where you can take
a two handed swing if you so choose. Here on the program, all
right, listen, we got a busy show. We've got a Carlos Adama's
victory, and hey, it's boxing. We got another controversial early stoppage to
discuss. Julian Williams and Stephen Brentman Edwards are still upset about that. Edgar
Berlanga did win his match room boxing debut by a decision and get dance thoughts
on that and a Virgil Ortiz your conversation with Virgil ortis unbeaten welterweight gold Boy
main event coming up here in a couple of weeks. Again, So minus
stanionis that in San Antonio we're going to hear from virtual Orties and your conversation
with him. So this a busy, ansome nostalgia, including Floyd Mayweather,
Arturo Gatti? And is this really right on your rundown? Am I seeing
that we're this old? That it was thirty five years ago this coming week
year, in a couple of days, that Mike Tyson destroyed Michael Spinks in
one round in nineteen eighty eight, that's thirty five years ago, Ray feel
I'm old. I am old. I think if I'm not mistakens, it's
we're the same age. That's a couple of weeks after we graduated from high
school. It is correct. You are correct. We both graduated from high
school and that was the summer of eighty eight, and then we realized we
had to start becoming adults. After that at pay for her own crap and
everything else fell into place. By the way, speaking of falling into place,
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with a recap show. All right, let's get into it. Carlos Adamas
retains the interim WBC middleweight title. Again, it was a back and forth
fight. Adamas was in command and it looked like Jay Rock, who you
interviewed on the preview show, had gotten back in the fight. Adamas scores
some punches and suddenly it's over. So your thoughts on that and the rest
of the card real quick, Dan, Well, first of all, I
thought it was an excellent card showtime. I put together three quality fights,
maybe not the highest star power, let's say, our biggest names, but
a worthy fight. All three fights were competitive, All three fights were entertaining,
and to me, that's the most important thing in terms of the main
event. I mean, some people try to make Carlos Adamas out to be
the boogeyman of middleweight division, which, as we've talked about, is a
pretty weak division overall at the moment because of all the people that have left
the weight class are retired, moved up in eight, etc. So he's
probably one of the best couple two or three guys in the weight class right
now. And I say that thinking, Okay, Triple G is basically in
retirement. Charlo, He's coming back for the Canello fight, but he's gonna
be moving up, so it really kind of leaves I guess it leaves Adamas
and maybe jannebec As as the top guys at the moment, which doesn't really
stay a lot, so there's some proving to be done. But Julian Williams,
I thought, gave him a very good fight. I mean a lot
of people thought that Julian Williams was just going to get completely run over.
I never thought that. I mean I went out on a limb and picked
him to win the fight. Now he didn't win, but he competed extremely
well. I was appalled when I saw that one of the scorecards at the
time of the knockout was eighty to seventy two in favor of Adamas, which
is absurd. You know, obviously Julian Williams was not winning the fight at
that moment, but he certainly won more than zero rounds, no question about
it. Be that as a may, very good fight, back and forth,
a lot of action. Julian came through a real crisis in around four
where he almost got stopped. He's a pro. He spoke about his poise
that kept a minute, that he was able to remain calm, which is
really something of a you know, that's what veterans are able to do.
He is a veteran. And it was good back and forth, and Adamas
had him in trouble in the ninth round. He landed some heavy right hands
and Julian was not I didn't think he was close to getting knocked down,
and as he's literally throwing a punch back a left hand at that moment.
Mark Nelson, who was typically one of the better referees in boxing, in
my opinion, does a great job most of the time. I didn't understand
why he jumped in and stopped the fight. The guy hadn't been down,
He wasn't I wasn't badly shaken. He wasn't like badly caught. He hadn't
been knocked down previously. I don't think he took a tremendous amount of punishment.
They both took punishment in the fight. Stopped the fight. I thought
it was a ship. I thought it was a ship call. I thought
it. I disagreed with the stoppage. I mean, we can dispute these
things all the time, as we will continue to do. Certainly Stephen Breadman
Edwards, who was the trainer for Julian Williams, which was picked up on
showtime not once, not twice, not three times, probably about six times.
And I didn't think this was right either. It was yelling at Mark
Nelson, who was a very like likable guy, a pretty chill guy who
I have met several times, was kept saying you're a piece of shit.
You're a piece of shit, which that was not necessarily the best thing to
do, but I understand the heat of the moment. I mean, this
was maybe Julian Williams's last chance at this type of a fight, and it's
just unfortunate that was what was otherwise a really good, back and forth,
entertaining worthy kind of fight had had to be stopped in that manner. I
disagreed with it. Adamas gets to win, he'll move on, obviously to
bigger and better things. I suppose j william said he was a rema.
Did you think that the referee Mark Nelson was out of position and could not
really see what he thought he saw, which was Williams getting staggered when he
wasn't even really getting hit. Is this is much a byproduct of him being
out of position? I don't think so. This was definitely not a case
of what we talked about. You want to talk about being out of position.
That's what happened in the Ishmael Barosso stoppage where he was stopped against Roy
Romero, where the referee was at a position big time in that particular fight.
In this fight, now, Mark was an okay position. I mean
he and he's a veteran referee, he knows the deal there. He'd obviously
was very close to the two guys, So I don't. I don't think
it was that at all. I think he made his own decision. Again,
I respect Mark Nelson, He's been a tremendous referee for many years.
In this one particular instance, I thought he was pretty quick with the hook
to stop that fight. Um, you know, I feel bad for Julian
Williams, who's a you know, a hard working guy, who's a likable
guy. I gotta be happy for Damas you know, who was uh you
know, it's not exactly a you know, been given anything. He's earned
what he's gotten. The most amazing stat to me is he's one of thirty
six children as father has thirty six kids. Unbelievable with three different women.
That's insane. But he's he's fighting, and he's he's making money and he's
got himself some accomplishment now, and you know, I would like to see
him get into a bigger fight. I don't know who who's out there form
to fight because, as I've detailed, the weight classes pretty bereft right now
of of name, type of opponents. But uh, you know, if
I don't listen, I'll say this, I don't think it will necessarily happen.
But I don't think a rematch is necessarily the worst thing I've ever heard
about. But I wouldn't count on. But it was a good fight,
all right. And the rest of the card. They're mighty one in Minnesota
on Showtime PBC so in the co feature, he had Ericson Lubin, who
was a long time top prospect and became a junior middleweight contender, got stopped
by Sebastian Fendora in his most recent fight fourteen months ago. You know,
a few years earlier, he'd been stopped by Charlow in the first round of
his first world title fight. You know, it feels like he's been around
forever, doesn't he He's only twenty seven years old though, because he turned
a pro at age eighteen, like literally signed a contract on his eighteenth birthday.
So he fights uh Luis Aris. The contract was one hundred and fifty
seven pounds, a little bit over the limit between junior middleweight and middleweight.
And again they put on a good fight. Lewis Aris is you know he's
a veteran. Also, his claim to fame, I Guess if you Will
is a couple of fights ago. He had a decision victory over the one
time a unified champion in the Jerian midway division, Jared Hurd. That was
the one that was I guess in the Rainstorm when Floyd when Floyd Mayweather fought
Logan Paul So that was a big win for him, but you know he's
now lost three or four. But the thing that was aggravating about this fight
again, it's unfortunately the referees are making the headlines like the fighters are,
so Lubin again, he's winning the fight. But it's a good fight,
it's competitive and all this. You know, it was actually it was an
even fight thirty eight thirty eight and one of the scorecards and Lubin was up
forty thirty six thirty nine thirty seven. As they're going in to what became
the fifth round, which was the knockout round, so Lubin scores a legit
knockdown. He hits him with the right hand kind of like behind the ear,
kind of like back of the head, not back of the head,
like maybe barely on the borderline, but really behind the ear. So it
was really more of a balance shot as opposed to like a really devastating punch.
So, you know, Ariuscott legit knockdown. He scrambled to his knees,
was looking at the referee. Referee counts eight. He gets up at
nine, maybe nine and a quarter, but he had not he was certainly
you know, in boxing, the rule TJ is very simple you have to
be off the campus with everything except the soles of your feet before the referee
counts to ten. And he did that. He was up at nine nine
point two, let's say, and it seemed very clear to me, and
the referee then just waved the fight. Now, sometimes the refemee waved the
fight in that instance because he thinks the guy's hurt and he can't go on.
This was clearly if you look at the referees sort of body language and
the way that the things were unfolding, this was not that case. This
was I reached ten and the fight's over. But that's bullshit because he didn't.
He reached ten, but after the man was off the canvas, so
Arius had every right to be upset about it. If you watch the replay
again, it was close, but he was one hundred percent off the canvas
before ten and the referee said ten, and he just had no business doing
so. They called it a knockout. And I kind of feel bad for
Arius because he's had some losses in his career. He had, you know,
never been stopped however, I mean, this was his fourth defeat,
but the first time he ever got stopped. And if you're going to get
knocked out. That's a shitty way to get knocked out on account that's not
legit. Now, if the referee was in a situation where he thought,
I got to stop the fight because he's taken a beating, that's a different
story, but that was not this case. In this term of the way
that's stoppage went for Lubin. It's a big victory from the standpoint that he
comes off that long fourteen month layoff in that very brutal, very hilacious fight
of the Year candidate in April of last year where he lost by a knockout
and suffered facial injuries against the Bashel Fondor. So he bounced back, you
know, with a win against you, a solid veteran, and he'll move
on to some bigger and better things. He pronounced himself ready to fight some
of the big boys at one fifty four, which at the moment really only
has one true big boy and that's the undisputed champion, Charlot. We'll see
what they can line up for him. But again, entertaining fight and a
good win for him and I kind of again similar to what Jay Rock Williams
kind of feel bad for the way it was stopped. And yes, and
in that case, Arias protested to me clearly not concussed. No, no,
it wasn't. It wasn't. Obviously a questionable stoppage on that and you
and you did well, and we should just say this one more time too.
It's a difficult job. It's easy for all of us, and you're
there at ringside a lot of the time. It's easy for all of us
to judge on TV, but it's a difficult job in the split second to
decide do I stop the fight or not? And a lot of times when
you screw it up, it's magnified and everybody sees it, and it's a
fang based like the outer safe at first base catch or no catch in football.
It's missed a lot of the time. But the thing about but you
know, there you go on what happened. The Zach Young stoppage in the
Lubin fight, to me, is worse than the stoppage in the other fight
that Mark Nelson made in the main event. And the reason because Mark Nelson,
whether you agreed with the stoppage or you disagree with the stoppage like I
do, he was making his own judgment call, and that's that's his call.
I mean, that's like you said, that's again you can disagree that,
but he's he's an experienced referee. He made a call he felt like
Join Williams had taken enough. I don't agree, but that's that's his job.
Fine. I'm not like mad about it. I'm just disappointing. The
difference is that in the Zach Young stoppage of Louise arius the rule is you
got to be off the canvas, but everything, everything but the souls of
your feet by the count attend and Louise Arias was And if you look at
the replay, it's very obvious, one hundred percent clear that the reason why
Zach Young stopped the fight had nothing to do with I don't think the man
is keeping of continuing. He stopped it because he's saying I got to ten
and you're counted out. And he was not counted out in any any normal
count because he was standing up off his off the mat at the count of
nine. And so that was a bad stoppage. So yes, that's a
split second thing on Mark Nelson where you got to pull the truggerund a decision.
But the referee is the dude that's counting, and he's looking right at
the guy. He knows if he's standing up or not. And that was
a terrible that was that was way worse stoppage in my mind than what happened
in the main event. All right, at least that car Martinez pointing.
At least we had no controversy in that. So for Anando Martinez was uh,
the unheralded Argentine fighter that was unbeaten. When he challenged Jerwin and Cossas
for the title last year, he beat him in a really good fight but
somewhat dominating fashion. He beat him again in a rematch. So now he's
going into his mandatory defense against the unbeaten Filipino Jade Bournia, who was eighteen
and going into the fight that was also a very tough fight, a good
fight, a good scrap, as they say, both guys, very game,
really basically an even up fight. After seven rounds, they was very
close on the scorecards. Bornea was down one point on two cards, down
three points on the third card. But at that point Martinez started to pull
away and then the big moment, I guess if you will is okay?
Early in round nine, you have borne you getting nailed with a shot on
the side of his head, and he had like some swelling around his ear,
like a cauliflower ear type of thing, and all of a sudden it
just burst open and the blood started flowing down his chest like it wasn't an
ear injury that happened, like a broken ear drum inside his ear that started
to bleed. Then you start to get really worried. This was a laceration
on the ear that just was grotesque, and the blood started to flow and
he was able to continue on for another you know, for the remainder of
round nine, for round ten, but he was fading, he was tiring,
The blood was becoming a problem in terms of the flow, and I'm
sure it was painful. And finally, you know, in the in the
ninth round, or rather, i'm sorry, in the eleventh round, Charlie
Fitch, who was the referee, also a guy that's been a good refe
for a long long time, mainly out of New York, he had just
seen enough and he decided to stop it. And you could tell it was
a good stop it because Bornia had no objection and didn't dispute it. At
all. And so that was a good, tough, hard noise win for
Martinez to retain that one fifteen pound IBF title for the second time. And
he fights in a good weight class, and I hope they can match him
up with some of the other better guys in the division. All Right,
So again Virgil Ortiz interview, coming up with Dana just a few moments,
but let's now take a look at the match Room Boxing debut of Edgar Berlanga
new signing multi fight Deal super middleweight main event. I gotta be honest you
and I left the air on the bet Us Boxing show thinking this would be
an Edgar Berlanga ko. Yes, he got knockdowns of Jason Quigley, but
did not knock you out. He got two of them in the twelve round.
Rayfiel, I thought we were going to cash a knockdown prop at the
very last minute in the twelfth round, but it didn't happen. Quickly lasted
the distance. Your thoughts on that win and also the co feature beating that
Adam Nasky tunk and the heavy win battle with Joe Crustamano. Your thoughts on
the match Room card real quick well in terms of Berlanga. You know,
everybody figured, you know, he's got to get the knockout to kind of
kind of get that swagger back at the momentum. After the sixteen consecutive knockouts
in the first round to start his career, and then went four fights in
a row where he went the distance, he didn't get the knockout. Jason
quickly showed himself to be a true pro. Had obviously a tremendous game plan
with his new trainer, Andy Lee. You could tell watching the way I
covered Andy Lee's entire professional career and watching the way that Jason fought that fight,
I thought I was looking at Andy Lee because he was standing like him.
He was holding his hands up high the way that Andy did. The
only difference is Andy was a southpaw and quickly as a right hander. But
you know, Jason fought I think maybe the best fight of his entire career
despite the loss. Remember he had gotten pulverized by Bubu Andreid in a middleweight
title fight and knocked out in the second round. He had been stopped,
you know, a few years earlier by Toriono Johnson, sort of like a
second tier contender for a while, who was an Olympian, and everybody figured,
you know, he's a lamb being led to slaughter against Berlanga, who
they're looking to purposely find a guy that's gonna be tough and and and give
a good effort like quickly always does, but wouldn't be able to stand up
to the thunder. But he did so Burlana, he does get the knockdowns.
He got a legit knockdown in the third round. He got a knockdown
in the fifth round, which if he watched the replay, that seemed very
questionable a call from a Harvey Doctor referee who's usually a good referee. Also,
I feel like he missed that one that was more of a slip and
a push than a real knockdown. But in the twelfth round, Burlana,
like you could tell like he knows he's winning the fight, but he's he
wants to score a stoppage win in front of his people in New York City
at the Madison Square Garden Theater. And he goes out and he gets a
clean knockdown. He forced then quickly to take a knee for a second knockdown.
So there's no doubt at that moment he's gonna win the fight. It's
only a matter if can he chase him around enough at the end of the
fight to try to get a knockout, and to Quickly's credit, he was
able to hang in there. But in the end, you know, Burlinga
won. It wasn't a bad performance or anything like that. He won the
fight against a solid pro. But I think there's those who will be disappointed
because he didn't get the stoppage. For me personally, now, the scorecards
were one sixteen one oh eight on two cards, which was eight to four,
but you take away the points for the knockdowns and that's how you get
the one oh eight. One of the judges had a one eighteen one oh
six, which was ten rounds to two. I scored the fight six rounds
to six, but I had one fourteen to one ten because of all the
knockdowns. So it was it Berlangue's best performance. Not really, but he's
coming off the year layoff, first fight with match Room Boxing. He didn't
talk about it, maybe from an emotional point of view. He knows that
because earlier in the week, Canelo Alvarez signed with PBC, which meant the
prospect of the fight between him and Cannelo that Eddie Hearnett talked about that went
away, But in any event, he went out there, he did what
he was supposed to do. You know, I'm not really sure how to
grade it. I mean, it wasn't like a bad performance, but it
was maybe not great measured against the expectations, and I'm not sure if that's
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food store. I give him probably a bee on my card. Eb won
the fight, he got the knockdowns. Let's credit quickly for being tough enough
with a bloody nose, a busted nose. The whole fin let's giving credit.
All right, what about the heavyweight co feature? And I must confess
to the audience again, I'm on vacation. I have not seen this fight.
I've read your recap of it, I've the highlight. But apparently Adam
Klonowski again was very much a punching bag throughout this fight. And I saw
my man Rayfield tweet a couple of times just looking through tweets today that you
thought this should have been stopped long before everything was over. Adam Kunaski's got
about it as big of a heart as you could ask for in boxing.
I mean, he does not quit at all. He's a he's a good
guy. You know. I can't say this but every fighter. But I've
actually had the opportunity at different times to just sort of hang out with him.
I've had dinner with him and some of his people and stuff. He's
just he's a real down earth kind of cool guy and I always wish nothing
but the best for him. But that fight last night, as we taped
this on Sunday, you know, he took a took a show lacking.
He got knocked down very hard in round one on a right hand. I
thought the fight was over right there. Now, this was his first fight
with sugar Hill Stewart as his trainer. That didn't seem to help at all.
In sugar Hill is obviously a top notch trainer, but Konaki still lacked
head movement, lacks defense. Basically what he has is pretty good power and
just in the balls of steal to hang in there the way he did.
Kusamano, if you remember, was a guy who was probably unfortunately for him,
maybe not now because he got to win against Konski, but prior to
that, was best known for being demolished in one round by Daniel duba on
Jake Paul undercard. When Dubois came to fight on that undercard here in the
United States. So you know, most people figured Konski, he's got anything
left, He's gonna take care of him. This was supposed to be the
get well fight for Kensky. He'd lost three fights in a row, coming
in two by knockout to Robert Allenius and then a decision in his most recent
fight, and you know, he was sort of retired. He begged his
manager, Keith Connelly to get him another fight. Keith did that. He
didn't get paid nearly the kind of money he was making seven figures for those
other losses. For this fight, you know, he was making maybe one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars, not big money relatively speaking, and he took
a freakin salaki in the fight. And you know, for Kusamano it's a
huge win. But from Kensky, I mean, honestly, it's the end
of his career. I mean, I don't like to get too dramatic,
and when a guy loses, you're like, oh my god, he's got
to retire. You know. I'm mowing about that all the time when people
get lunatic like that on Twitter. But this is one of those cases where
the guy's been not just beaten but pulverized multiple times, and there's really no
future for him. I'm not even I mean, I guess if he wants
to fight, somebody would book him, because there are bloodsuckers in this business
that will throw you in as a warm body. But I don't think him
and his people are going to allow that to happen. I would hope that
the Commission would step in if they try to do that. Remember the New
York Commission once suspended a vander Holyfield after his fight with Larry Donald for you
know, non performance. You know, you can't say Kannaki didn't perform because
he gave everything he had, but he just had nothing left against just a
regular kind of fighter. So it look Canasky was at one time, you
know, he was on the verge of getting a title fight against Deontay Wilder,
and you know, different things intervene. The pandemic happened. Wilder loss
to Tyson Fury, he ended up losing the rematch with Robert Lennius. It
was never meant to be. But he's, uh, I hate to say
it, but he's all done. He's thirty four and he's got a wife
and two young children, and I think he knows it's time to step away
and you know, reap the benefit of all of what he's done in the
in the in a few million dollars he did make in boxing, and uh,
you know, go do something else because you don't need to get hidden
head anymore. And it was just a savage fight. It was a good
fight, by the way, entertaining as I made the point for about the
first like maybe six rounds, it's like, Okay, this is a really
good fight. And then you know there are times with certain fights they turned
from like interesting competitive sports events to like public beatings, and that's what that's
what this turned into. And finally, by the way, Keith Connolly I
mentioned his manager was over in the corner begging them to throw in the towel.
This is in this after the seventh round when he got beaten so badly
that he thought it was gonna get stopped in the corner. For some ridiculous
reason, everybody involved allowed it to go, not not Conny but the corner
and the ref And then finally when he was getting pulverized there in the next
round, in round number eight, they finally threw in the towel and the
doctor basically simultaneously as the corner was tossing the when the doctor, the ringside
doctor was telling the referee to stop the fight. Now, one thing about
this that you don't see very often TJ after. This was such a ball
busting, brutal, grueling, physical, just tremendous action fight where they both
were taking punishment because even though Kusumana won, he didn't walk away without damage.
Also, it was so brutal that you know, there's more than one
ringside doctor at these at these fights that doctors went to the corners of both
fighters after a round five to check on them because they were both taking such
punishment. It reminded me of a day there's a fight back, I want
to say, in like the early nineties, maybe the late eighties, where
where was an ESPN fight there was so much punishment being given and taken that
the fight was stopped and it was because and I don't remember the exact fighter
was Prince Charles Williams, I want to say, was one of the fighters
in the bout. The fight was stopped between rounds because both fighters were taking
excessive punishment, and they called it a technical draw. That's what I was
thinking about when I was well. And uh, and again you did a
great job of summarizing it. And it was the Demarezian uh beating that he
also took. And now this one, from what you described, again,
Kanaski's family and friends and those around him have got to say, this is
it. I mean you're talking about you can, if he's not already,
you can get seriously brain damaged. And that's what you're saying, seriously hurt.
At this point, it's over. I agree, with you. I
mean it was that was about as rough of a of a of a of
a you know, it's only because he's got a big heart. A lot
of guys would have been out well before that. By the way, I
just thought of the fight I mentioned that it was called the technical draw in
against. It was Prince Charles Williams against Murky Sosa in a light heavyweight fight
in a nineteen ninety five. They ended up having a rematch, but the
first fight was stopped because of excessive punishment on both sides and called the technical
draw. And that's what I was thinking about as I'm watching them take a
beating with each other. And the referee concept fighter safety back in the nineties,
what a concept. On that excellent recap the two main fight cards that
we had in Minnesota and New York. What say we now segue to an
upcoming card, the Golden Boy main event Stanionis and Virgil Ortise. And Virgil
Ortis an intriguing figure in this for a lot of different reasons with all the
knockouts, but health problems too. Here's Dan's conversation with the up and coming
star welterweight. Well, I'm very pleased to bring into the podcast this week,
it is the excellent undefeated welterweight contender Virgil Ortiz Junior. Virgil, Welcome
to the show, and thank you very much for doing this today. Hey,
thanks for having me out. Yeah, it's my pleasure. We're here
to talk about You've got a very important fight. Let's just say it's been
a long time coming, right, You're gonna You're gonna challenge the WBA Regular
welterweight Champion Amanta Stanionis. It is on July eighth on the Zone from the
eighteen T Center in San Antonio, not too far from your stomping grounds in
the Dallas area. A little bit of a hometown crowd for you, I
assume will be on hand. The first thing I'd like to know, as
I mentioned, this fight's a long time coming. This fight was supposed to
be on March eighteenth, postponed because uh Stanionis suffered had had needed an append
an appendeck to me, an emergency appendeck to me, So the fight was
postponed. Then when it was rescheduled, of course, uh not that it's
everybody knows at this point. You had a relapse of your of rabdough.
The blood disorder that was giving you problems, how to be postponed again and
now here we are, Um, can you just tell me just about your
general thoughts about having to put off this significant fight you know multiple times.
I mean, it's a big fight for both of you guys. Yeah,
yeah, it's a it's a huge fight for both of us, and uh,
you know my thoughts on that, it's just uh, at the end
of the day, I'm just I'm glad it's still happening. You know.
It is a fight that I wanted to happen. It was an opportunity that
I wanted to pass up. You know. I could have taken a kind
of like a stay busy, get get back better fight, Um, but
I was want to lose an opportunity to fight for this spell to fight against
stanny Onis and I really wanted to and still want to fight against him.
So you know, they wanted me to take another month off, but I
was like, you know what, I'm ready. I'm ready now. I
feel it in my bones, like I'm ready, So I just listen,
just do it. Man. That's that's where we're at right now. So
because of the postponements, everything that's happened. You haven't fought since last August.
He's going to be coming off a fight. He hasn't had a fight
since April of last year, and you fought four times in twenty nineteen,
still on the rise at that point, you know, knocking everybody out.
And since twenty nineteen you've had a total of four fights, so it's obviously
been a much slower schedule for you. Can you kind of just verbalize if
if there is frustration about the lack of activity, we you know, the
postponents and just trying to be able to gain some momentum, because every time
you do fight, you score a knockout, you usually look great doing it,
and then it's a long way till the next fight. Yeah, of
course, you know. So it's uh, the lack of activity, you
know, it's it's it's frustrating, you know, you know you uh,
I get this chaining in and you know, get to win. I have
momentum behind me, just just forward to uh, just for me to lose
the momentum and not fight again the next year and you know, just in
twelve months. You know, it's it's all frustrating, but we're trying to
make the most out of everything. Um, you know, we're overcoming every
obstacle and uh you know, hopefully after this fight we can we can change
that again. We can get the same mall rolling again. So I must
ask, how is your health now after all the issues? My health is
great, it's honestly under right now. Well, I'm really glad to hear
that, because I mean, the first thing, you got to take care
of yourself as far as you know, being a boxer is tough enough.
But if you're not healthy going into the fight, you know you're doomed.
Uh. I saw some comments or hurt some comments from you where you're in
your issue in this relapse with rab though was due to you having long COVID
and it not you know, it impacting your immune system or whatever the issue
was, and was making this, uh you know, sort of exacerbating this
problem that it occurred once before. Are you over long COVID or do you
still have symptoms of it? Do you have to do anything different as far
as you know, altering your training and you know, to make sure it
doesn't happen again? Like what have they told you about? Then? How
how do you deal with it? So I'll tell you like, how so
you know after COVID. So my first fight after COVID was Samuel Bargains And
if you pay attention to the post fight interview or whatever, let's probably the
interview probably happened like five minutes after like the fight in there or whatever.
I was tusseling and push and I literally could not talk. And because I
was, I was trying to breathe, like I just I could not breathe.
And uh, you know, ever since that happened, um noticing my
training, like I was getting tired, like in the first second round,
I just it was it was. It was a struggle, and uh,
you know, leading up to the other five Hooker, I got COVID again.
Literally a month before the Hooker fight, maybe like two three two three
weeks before, I had a train like that literally thought I was going to
die. I'm not exaggerating, Yeah, I'm not exaggerating, Like, but
just so you don't realize at this point that that's what they turn along COVID.
No, Okay, so now you have the Murray's Hooker fight again.
You look great in that fight, scored a knockout in the seventh round.
Yeah, and but to be honest, I didn't feel that strong enough fight
even in my last sparing um. You know, they really didn't want me
to fight, and I was just like then, like I just went through
all this shit. I just I just had COVID. I just spar during
COVID, I just trained. I didn't look horrible in in sparring. You
know, I'm always gonna I'm always gonna keep some kind of you know,
technical ability in there, you know, because I do what I do.
But I wasn't one hundred percent. I wasn't ninety eighty. I was sort
of like at sixty would I would say, But I knew that I still
had it in me to win, and uh, you know, I want
against Race Hooker without my power being there. You know, racist isn't that
big. But I feel like I was not moving him the way I should
have. I felt like I should have got him out of there and making
maybe like the fourth probably if I'm being honest, But you know, then
we got the met machine fight. I don't think I looked too better in
the Me Machine fight, but you know, it's it was just a long
time coming that my body was just not recovering after that. Now I wasn't
giving it time to a covered because my body wasn't for sanding. I didn't
know that yet. So how did you then find out that, in fact
it was long COVID or attributed to the COVID that you had had previously.
So I always had my suspicions. But I'm not a doctor, right,
you know, I've always had my suspicions. I knew something was up with
my body because no one really knows my body better than me. I know
I'm feeling one hundred percent of the time me being about I'm not going to
complain, So my coaches don't sometimes they don't know when I'm on a hard
recent this is my job not not to show weakness, you know. But
recently we had to go to Fresno and visited doctor Bautista and the doctor that's
been helping me throughout this whole recovery process, and he said, yeah,
it's do the wrong COVID and and I told him about it. And when
I told him my stories and my experiences, he confirmed ithim like, yeah,
that's one hundred percent what it is. So that's that's how we came
down to the diagnosis. All right. So after you had beaten Mean Machine.
Kabalowskis, you were supposed to have the Mackenson fight that was postponed because
of your first incident with Rabdough, and then you got it rescheduled. I
guess you felt better and you went into the Mackinson the fight finally in August
of last year. When you had that fight, did you feel like you
would overcome the long covid or was that giving you problems yet again? Like
you mentioned, it was for the Vargus Hooker and Mean Machine fights, So
I definitely didn't still strong that fight. I feel like that was the worst
I had ever went into a fight. I think that that was the first
fight where I was sitting in the mints in the locker room and there was
no explosion. I was just like, oh damn, like you know,
and yeah, my hant talked to mckinson. He was a good fighter.
It's I feel like I'm lucky that it was against him, because he was
He's not a power puncher, He's not a relatinist fighter like that. So
I feel like I kind of got lucky that it wasn't someone else. You
know, Well, I'm looking at the roster of the fights that we've talked
about Samuel Varges has been like maybe not a world champion, but he's been
a pretty decent contender and fought a lot of good opponents. Maurice Hooker is
obviously a very reputable fighter. He was a former world champion. Cavlowskis an
Olympian. Dave Crawford one of his toughest fights. You know, been in
the ring with a lot of good guys, A good welterweight contender. Mckinson
like you mentioned, maybe not the you know, the strongest guy out there,
but he was undefeated when you fought him. So you're telling me basically,
you're beating like solid quality opponents, if not not necessarily champions, but
you're beating good guys buy knockout, by the way, in dominating fashion in
terms of what the scorecards were reading at the time that you scored the knockout
and you're fighting them at like sixty percent. What does that say about the
type of fighter that you are and just the threshold you have for dealing with
these types of things. Yeah, I mean, I just what's that about?
Minus something? And I know I can do it. You know,
I don't want to make myself big headed. But if I'm put in a
situation where i'd either show myself or to everyone else, but mostly to myself,
that I can do something, then I'm going to do it. Okay.
Now, Stanionis, with all due respect to the other fighters that I
just mentioned, my opinion is that he would be on a higher level,
a better grade of opponent. Also undefeated, also was an Olympian, you
know, had that very grueling victory against Betaiah to get this title. What
is your take on Stanionis and what he brings to the table. He showed
a lot of heart, a lot of resilience when he won the belt against
Beataiah in his last fight, and uh, you know had that decorated amateur
career. So I'm sure you've taken a look at him. Give me your
thoughts about your opponent that you're gonna face. No, he's He's definitely a
guy that I've had my eye on. I think that that he's a kind
of fighter that that that brings it. You know, he's he's just one
of those fighters that the fantom to watch and uh, it was clear why
he's a He's a relentant spider and you know he can be dangerous too.
So when I look at this fight, I mean, we know that the
Terrence Crawford fight with Spence is coming up at the end of the July.
Uh, they're sort of like the generation right before you, I guess with
Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia, Sean Porter, even andre Berto Lamont Peterson,
a lot of good fighters in there. I feel like you guys are maybe
that that what's kicking off the next era of welterweight boxing. Uh do you
feel like that is the case that that you guys are the ones they're gonna
lead the way into this next group of one hundred forty seven pounders. I
believe. So we're like the kind of like the new class. There's high
school classes were like the new class coming up, and uh, we're we're
gonna be ruling for a while too. Very good. I just want to
wrap it up with this, Virgil. I appreciate you doing this. H
How do you think the fight goes? And is it all important for you
to extend your knockout trick? You are nineteen o with nineteen knockouts. You've
you've knocked every man out that you faced, So how do you think this
one goes and I know you think you're gonna win, but do you think
you also extend that knockout a record. I guess you know he's a he's
a tough fighter, So I'm not gonna say that I am I'm gonna knock
him out because I truly don't know. He's a he's a tough fighter.
Uh, will I take the opportunity if I see it, you know,
of course, as everyone else will. So really I can't. This isn't
even me trying to be humble. This is just a tough fight. Yeah,
you know it's it's I truly don't know. Well, I'll be very
interested to watch it. I think that's one of the reasons why it is
a fascinating fight, because nobody really knows. I mean, sometimes you have
a real feeling, you know, you think you know, But you guys
have both shown you can do a lot of different things that ring. So
all I can say is best of luck to you, and I know many
many boxing means are very anxious and excited to watch this one, and especially
after the delay. So I'm glad it's back on and I wish you the
best. Lug Virgil, Thank you very much. For doing this, all
right, thank you, you bet all right? So great stuff. And
again the Ortiz standing on his his fight week is coming up that you could
see him through technology on that zoom. But there's so many concerns right now
about both guys. I mean stany Udas had he happened back to me,
but Ortiz has got this blunt disorder that's cropped up twice now on him.
How did he look, body language, all of that to you during the
conversation. Just to wrap it up, Oh, listen, Virgil looked good.
He sounded good. He's excited about it. You know, those who
listened to the interview, you know, we discussed the fact that it was
attributed to the relapse to his bat with long COVID. He really went in
deep on his health issues that have affected him, I guess for the last
few different fights. I thought he was very honest about that, and I
hope he's in a top health and condition going into the Standing Onas fight,
because no knock on the other guys. He's defeated people like Maurice Hooker for
example, former world champion, you know, Samuel Vargas. He talked about
the Michael Pinkinson fight who's not you knows, a good boxer, but not
a big punch or anyway, those types of fights that he's had over his
last you know, four or five fights, he was not, he said,
in the best of shape, not because he didn't train, but he's
talking about because of his health in terms of what was happening to him because
of COVID. Stanyonis is a great above those guys, as I mentioned to
him, and he's gonna have to be at his best because that's a very
tough fight. It's July eighth. They're fighting for Stanyonis' is WBA Regular title,
which reality is going to be that most likely the winner of that fight,
at some point will become the only WBA champion once uh Spence and Crawford
take care of all their business and and those titles either become vacant or you
know, or they will, I guess at some point be get vacant when
they move up and wait, et cetera. So there's a lot on the
line for this fight, and it's one of the best fights on the calendar
right now. And Virgil he's excited for it, and I wished I'm both
good luck. They're both good guys and they both made good fights, so
that one coming in a couple of weeks. One other news that I was
speaking of Spenson Crawford undercard out being announced and filled out for July twenty nineteen.
Venkas, give me a little more on that real quick before some nostalgia.
Well, so, they of course have the big fight Spence and Terrence
Crawford in the main event, but of course we knew that the undercard was
coming. I had reported a couple of weeks ago, as others had,
that the co feature would be a lightweight fight between Isaac Pitbull Cruise and the
undefeated Giovanni Cabrera, and that is in fact what that fight will be in
the co feature. It's a twelve round Are they calling it a WBC and
WB lightweight eliminator? I mean, I don't I love the fact that the
Cruise is on the card. I don't think it's the greatest co feature because
I don't really think hugely of Giovanni Cabrera, but hopefully it will be entertaining.
And then the other fights that they announced on their card. You have
the outstanding undefeated junior middleweight prospect Hazer's Ramos against the very tough nose Sergio Garcia
from Spain that has built as a WBC middle junior middleweight eliminator. Look,
Ramos is one of the best young guys out there. Garcia has been in
the ring with some quality opponents that should you know, he should give him
some competition, I guess, and I'll say this, if he somehow can
can get Sergio Garcia out of there, I think that would be pretty good
feather in his cap. That would be pretty impressive because, uh, you
know, he's, like I said, he's he's a pretty tough guy.
He's lost two of his last three fights, but they were against you know,
legit guys. He lost the fight to Fendora, he lost the fight
to the former champion Tony Harrison. So those are those are known guys,
you know with who's have had good careers, and Ramos is still very young
and on the on the rise. So that's a you know, it's the
it's the young guy against the old guy, you know, kind of like
we'll call it a crossroads fight and then uh the opening fight, which you
know you can never get enough heavyweight action. I guess, Uh, they
have the prospect Gergen Hovanissian uh an Armenian that's fighting out of out of California.
He's taken on Victor Faust, who's he's been defeated, but he's a
he's a guy that's always in an action fight, however long ago. So
we'll see the two heavyweights throw bombs away. He got the great young prospect
and Ramos taking a step up against the veteran, and then you got the
pit bull in the feature, and then we get onto the big time main
event. So, uh, you know, is it is it? The
most star studded, most epic undercard. Doesn't remind anybody of the great Don
King undercards or those types of things, Absolutely not. But I do think
that in the end, I mean most people are buying for the main event,
obviously, I think people will get some entertainment value out of it.
I wish it was maybe a little bit stronger, but it is what it
is, all right, Nostalgia time. It was eighteen years ago on Sunday,
as we released the podcast overnight Sunday in the Monday, Floyd Mayweather our
turl Thundergotti money May's first pay per view headliner, and you were ringside for
this some some nostalgia on app real quick, please not a happy memory for
me, to tell you the truth. You know, everybody knows who listens
or reads or watches me or whatever knows, I'm that our Toro Gotti has
always been my favorite all time fighter since you know, he became a star
back in the nineties, So you know, I have a love for Arturo
Gotti. That said, you know, when it comes to making picks on
fights, never for one second of my life that I doubt that Floyd Mayweather
was not only going to win the fight, but was gonna win, probably
in pretty one sided fashion. And unfortunately, if you're a Gaddy fan,
that's exactly what happened. Mayweather, uh, you know, belittled Gaddy coming
into this long awaited fight, kept calling him a sea fighter. So I'm
not sure why we should have been impressed when he destroyed the sea fighter.
You know, if you really want to promote a fight, you talk about
how great your opponent is. He's an a fighter, he's one of the
best guys ever fought. Then when you're destroying you're gonna get a lot more
credit. But Floyd, you know, he doesn't roll like that. He
did go in there and he dropped Gaddy in the first round. Uh,
and just pummeled him. I'd beat the living shit out of him. I
mean, what can you say? Gaddy had had been in some wars,
and even though he had lost some fights, he never never took an absolute
just one side of ass kicking the way he did that night against Floyd Mayweather.
And that, like you mentioned, that was the first time Floyd had
headlined a pay per view, first time for Gaddy. Also, right,
I take that back. Maybe he had actually headlined against Oscar deal joya.
I can't remember which which fight came first, an intent he had been on
pay per view, but but, but, but the important thing was for
Floyd Mayweather. You know, it launched him into the big time in terms
of becoming the all time pay per view king. And just so I remember
here Gaddy had headlined on pay per view. Uh well, actually know what
I'm mixing things up. I let people know when when when Gaddy fought Oscar
that was actually a live HBO fight, not a pay per view. So
yes, this was actually our turo's first ever pay per view headliner. Also,
um, but for me, whether he went out to become the all
time pay per view king and it started with the Gaddy fight. You know,
he went to Atlantic City, which was Gaddy's you know, home turf
and sense of where his fan base was, even though you know he's from
Canada, but he was based out of New Jersey and that's where most of
his hands were. And uh, they put on a big event and unfortunately
for Gaddy, he got absolutely destroyed that night, and Floyd Mayweather won a
title at one hundred and forty pounds and never looked back. And you know,
on and on he went, winning, winning, winning for the rest
of his career, no doubt. And then, as I joked at the
beginning of the podcast, we're going to wrap it up and I pluge We're
gonna be done soon. But how about this Our conversation's gonna be longer than
the Michael Spink's destruction at the hands of Mike ty said. That was five
years ago, Tuesday, and it took like a minute and a half.
Yeah, there was so much build up and it literally took a minute and
a half for Tyson, at the height of his dominance, to destroy Michael
Spins for his one and only pro loss. And Michael Spinks never fought again
Dan Rayfield that night. Michael Spinks never did fight again. And that was
not a case of what happened in the as we're talking about with the with
the Gaddy fight, where you know he was just taking such a beating that
Buddy mcgut very humanely stopped the fight in the corner. This was a matter
of Mike Tyson walking across the ring and absolutely laying a wrecking bomb on Michael
Spins, who look petrified from the time that they stepped into the ring.
And people, I like to put this a little bit perspective, This is
not just any old fight, Okay, this was a massive, massive event.
I cannot stress that to people enough who were not around at that time.
This was Tyson who was the undisputed champion in the sense that he had
all three of the major title beouts. This was the three belt here,
remember, But it was Michael Spinks who was the lineal champion. He had
defeated Larry Holmes two times controversial at least in one of those fights, but
he was the guy with the lineage. He was stripped of the IBF title,
which was the sanctioning body belt that he had won because he elected to
take a big, big money fight against Jerry Cooney instead of staying in At
the time, what HBO was doing which just the heavyweight World Series to be
to crown an undisputed champion. Tyson ended up winning that and then finally they
were able to make you know, a deal between HBO and Don King,
who was the promoter of of of Tyson and Michael Spinks who was with Butch
Lewis you want to talk about clashing of personalities, those two guys could clash
in a big way. But they finally made the fight. It was at
the at the Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City Convention Center at the time they was
what they called it Convention Hall, and this was at the time the biggest
money fight in the history of boxing. I mean as big as it gets.
Two mega stars, two guys that wound up in the Hall of Fame.
And uh, I know, I don't think I'm alone. You know,
when you look and we've talked about this with other fighters before, when
you look at the if you were to draw like a line graph of where
a fighter is in his career on the on the upward trajectory, when they
reached their peak and then they maybe are still outstanding, but they go over
the top of the mountain and it's sort of down from there. The apex
of Mike Tyson's career was the night that he knocked out Michael Spinks in ninety
one seconds. People hadn't even gotten to their seats yet because they were lazy
now waiting there. There was people that missed the fight because they were derelic
and getting there. He just blew him away. I mean, who could
forget Jim Lampley's call, you know he's down again and in serious trouble.
It was just a legendary call. Tyson didn't even look excited when he won
the fight. You think he just won the lineal championship. He just won
by first knocket in the biggest fight of all times in terms of money and
all. He got to his arms out like what's next, what do you
expect and hugging him and it's like that older was to knock this guy out
after And people need to appreciate it was really built up dan for about two
years maybe more, and they finally fought and it didn't last two minutes.
Here's your thing about it, though, And this is sort of like the
uh, the stuff of legend also that was sort of like, well,
I guess you call it urban legend, but it's actually true. And if
you go back from an interview I had with Mike Tyson, I had,
like I've had, I had many extensive interviews with Tyson's over the years,
but before he had what would turn out to be his final fight against Kevin
McBride, I had a sit down with him where we discussed a whole bunch
of different topics. I think he once sent you the link to that story.
So one of the things about the Michael Spinx fight that was sort of
like the stuff of legend was how in the dressing room before he even came
to the ring. You know, you don't want to like when you get
Mike Tyson upset before a fight, you're sort of like, it's like poking
the sleeping bear. So the Michael Spinx team, butch Lewis, they were
unhappy about something about the way that Mike's gloves were way his hands were wrapped,
and they made a big stink about it in the locker room, and
it really kind of pissed off Tyson and Mike Tyson punched a hole in the
wall in the dressing room, literally punched a hole in the wall in the
dressing room and was all in a lather before he even came to the ring.
And then he took that same fist and he destroyed Mike Michael Spinx with
it. And that was probably the worst thing to do, was to get
Tyson pissed off before the fight. So you know, here he is in
the dressing room, getting ready to come out for the biggest fight of his
of his career, and you get him so pissed off. He literally punched
a hole in the dressing room wall, and then he came in and he
punched a hole in Michael Spinks's head and body, and one, you know,
the biggest fight of his time, of his career at that time,
the biggest fight in boxing at the time. And let me tell you something,
this is no exaggeration. I mean, I don't think anybody would say
this now, but I remember, and you can find them on YouTube.
So a week later, when HBO showed the replay of this fight, they
had assembled a panel of the top boxing reporters, New York reporters, my
old mentors, Michael Cats, you had Phil Berger from the New York Times,
I mean, Dad, I think maybe they had like four or five
guys on there talking about Tyson. These were serious journalists and they were having
like a and Glarry Merchant of course, was part of the panel. They
were having like a legitimate discussion about is Mike Tyson the greatest heavyweight of all
time? Think about that now. Now, maybe some people might rate him
high up in the top ten. I personally don't, but these were these
were serious conversations about is he the greatest fighter in the heavyweight division? Ever?
After what he did to Michael Spinks. That's how big of a deal
because he had just a shack of energy. He had destroyed everybody for about
two years. This was the eight fight in a two year period, going
back to Trevor Berbick, where with the exception of like bone Crusher Smith hugging
him the entire time and maybe Tony Tucker staying upright and avoiding him enough to
get a decision. Other than that, he destroyed everybody else, including Larry
Holmes, along the way to then destroy Michael Spinks. And we can't over
emphasize he looked so unbeatable Dan that in that time frame summer of eighty eight,
he looked unbeatable, and we won two more knockout title defenses and Buster
Douglas then beat him and that's why it was such a shocking upset in nineteen
ninety. So there you go. What people should understand, by the way,
is when you say, you know, eight fights over two years,
like we have guys today that might fight once or twice over that period of
time. Mike Tyson, I mean, this is not this is legit.
He fought like thirteen times in nineteen eighty six, that's right, thirteen times
in that com He defended the heavyweight title seven times inside of two years,
had eight total fights. He wanted against Trevor Burwick November eighty six, the
Sphinx fight was a seventh title defense by June of eighty eight. It wasn't
even November, by the way, sign of two years. Here's the thing,
he didn't minute his seven times. There you go. And when I
talked about what he did in nineteen eighty six, he had his first fight
of nineteen eighty six, it's his pre championship in January, and when he
defeated Trevor Berwick to win the WBC title, that was at the end of
November. So really in eleven months, he fought thirteen times, and some
of those fights, by the way, I mean granted somewhere against you know,
complete stooges, but he was he was fighting a better level of opponent.
On ABC, On HBO, he fought Marvis Frasier, who he pummeled
in thirty seconds. He fought, you know, a tough guy like Jose
ribalta quick tell us, quick kill us. Also on an ABC Sevy Fright.
I think that hundred percent he fought. He fought Mitch Green. You
know, he fought Jesse Ferguson when he told everybody, I want to punch
I want to punch his nosebone through his brain. I mean, he was
fighting a regular. Imagine if one of the best young fight like Matt Again,
I'm not comparing the dude, but like I just talked about how great
of a prospect Jesus Ramos was as it relates to his appearance on the undercard
coming up of Spence and Crawford. Imagine if if he fought not thirty let's
say, imagine he fought six times in a year and he was knocking everybody
out on on national television or on showtime or on whatever his broadcasters, or
on undercards of pay per views, people would be going crazy. Tyson was
a heavyweight and he was going towards the title. Fought thirteen times, so
when he finally got a bunch of defenses under his belt, he was already
a superstar. Spinx had been the undisputed rather the lineal champion, had had
beaten Larry Holmes twice, had been the light heavyweight champ, and just got
rolled like he was a piece of garbage by Tyson that night. So again
I can't. I cannot over or overestimate or or or say more about how
big that fight was when it happened thirty five years ago. It was great
nostalgia. All right. You gotta understand, I'm on vacation. I'm getting
the stink Guy right now because we've got to wrap this up because we gotta
go get dinner on VACA. You did a great job with the technology.
We'll tell the peeps again. We'll be back under regular circumstances with a preview
coming this weekend including Jared Real, Big Baby Anderson the heavyweight, and the
top ranked main event. Speaking of heavyweights, up and coming, Knockout Guy
from Toledo, Ohio, fighting in his hometown. Will be ready to preview
that brother Rayfiel, have a great week. I'm gonna hang on vacation for
a few more days and be back in touch with you later this week,
my friend. That sounds good. I have to say that I'm a little
skeptical about being on vacation having taco bell, but do what you gotta do.
I have teenagers right now that they want to make a run for the
border, So we're gonna Google. We're gonna go and take two of that
great job again with all of this again Radius reviewers, and make sure you're
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come off the weekend vacation or not with the Fight Freak Unit recap. Brother
Rayfield, behave this week. I'll talk to you on the preview. Learned
a week, my friend, I'll try. Thank there we go, there's
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