WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:11.439 It's the Dearly Departed Podcast, featuring your host, historian Scott Michaels and filmmaker 2 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:24.559 Mike Dorsey. All Right, welcome, it's another edition of Dearly Departed podcast. 3 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:29.120 I think this is episode thirty two, the Lucky number thirty two. 4 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:35.000 Yes, and I'm Mike Dorsey and I'm Scott Michaels and this is Dearly Departed. 5 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:41.880 Welcome. How's it Ben, Scott Good, I've been. Uh, 6 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.920 it's been good. It's been cold here in Palm Springs. It goes down 7 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:49.960 to the actually down to the thirties it want one night, So it's been 8 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.560 it's been cold and windy here for the winter. But um, but but 9 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:57.479 we had a ninety one degree day the other day, so it's all getting 10 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.920 back to normal. I was in. I went to La a couple of 11 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:07.000 times since, uh, since we spoke last and uh and uh a couple 12 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:08.959 of days ago I went. I met up with my friends Trey and Jaws 13 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:14.560 and we went to Omens. We went to see David omen Yellow Drive. 14 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:19.200 Yeah, and he's he's doing very well. It was he's in, he's 15 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.280 in. He's in David omen form and uh, we had a nice afternoon. 16 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.760 He actually he let us check out the house next door that's for sale 17 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.959 right now. That was the Ason family house, Jim Mason's house. The 18 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:36.680 young kid who the housekeeper when here we go again Manson. But when the 19 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:40.920 housekeeper discovered the bodies at Sharon Tate's house, she ran screaming down the driveway 20 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.680 and ultimately ended up in this house next door to David Omens. And so 21 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.280 we got to go through there. So that was that was kind of fun. 22 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:51.280 And uh, the cursed, Benedict Canney continues. I went up to 23 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:55.560 look at Jay Spring's house and got up to his driveway and got into an 24 00:01:55.560 --> 00:02:00.359 accident. So that was wow, what the first first It wasn't anything deal, 25 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.239 but it was the first car at first any kind of car issues I've 26 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:10.000 had in many, many years that were a an accident, a bump. 27 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.960 But so yeah, but the curse continues. To think of all the times 28 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:19.000 that you've driven tours up there, you know, and I think have we 29 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:23.960 talked about this at that On the anniversary, the day of the anniversary, 30 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:29.039 the fiftieth anniversary, my my band caught on fire on Clo Drive. About 31 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.680 that. Yeah, it was you know, the fiftieth anniversary was crazy the 32 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:38.199 Tarantino movie was coming out, so I had a lot of involved with a 33 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:43.520 lot of that energy. With that I had, um uh, well, 34 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:47.000 Debora Tate was was kind of I was on her list of people she wasn't 35 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:53.080 fond of that week because we had a fiftieth anniversary thing and it was a 36 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.439 celebration of the sixties. The whole thing was like anti murder. The night 37 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:00.319 of the anniversary, we had this event at Raleigh Studios and we had friends 38 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:02.360 of Sharon's come to speak. Well it didn't manit it Debora and I and 39 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:07.240 it doesn't matter. But anyway, I had that kind of energy aimed at 40 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.280 me. David wanted us to come up big time, wanted us to come 41 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:13.080 up. And I had like three tours going on that day and I had 42 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.879 probably, you know, maybe seventy five people come from all over the country. 43 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:19.879 It was just a stressful, tense day of someone I know who was 44 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:25.240 a very in tune with psychic things told me don't go up there. Whatever 45 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:28.879 you dud don't go up there. It was just a crazy day. And 46 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.240 on the anniversary we went up there with a group of people and my car 47 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:36.759 caught on fire and my van, which I every thirty days. My vans 48 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.919 are you know, serviced and double checked by mechanics, and you have to 49 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.960 check the vands every day to make sure all the belts are there and the 50 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.240 fluids are there, and bam, my van cut umpire on the anniversary. 51 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:52.280 So Clo drive. Say what you will, but I will well, speaking 52 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:57.120 of anniversaries, we just passed the seventy fifth anniversary of the Black Dolla murder. 53 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.000 It was a couple of Really it's amazing and I early saw anything written 54 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:04.400 about it, which is kind of weird. You know. It's funny what 55 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:08.599 I would have happened with the Tate thing, the Manson thing, if not 56 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.240 for not for the Tarantino. You know, I'm sure those people could just 57 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.599 kind of eventually fade away. I mean, it's a different time and that 58 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.879 there's there's a lot more information to consume from those, you know, the 59 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:25.439 victims of nineteen sixty nine. Whereas Elizabeth Short died in ninety forty seven, 60 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.959 was it, yeah, forty seven? I think so it was, um, 61 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.720 yeah, forty seven. So there's not a lot of media at that 62 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:38.360 point. We have still images of her, and so that has a lot 63 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.639 to do with it. I think but largely, you know, getting to 64 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:46.439 be forgot the Black Dahlia. It's just a little interesting. Yeah. Coincidentally, 65 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.040 you posted the story that the John Selden House, which was Hodel's house, 66 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:57.399 was broken into decently it was a robbery. Yeah, yeah, the 67 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:02.160 one that uh Steve Hodel claims his father killed the Black Alley in this architecturally 68 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:09.600 significant house in Hollywood. Frank Lloyd Wright, Our Lloyd Wright, Lloyd right 69 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.720 soon, it's son. Yeah, it's a it's a cool house. I 70 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.959 got to go in it once. I love its Jaws house. Yeah, 71 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.480 yeah, and it's really distinctive because of that. It looks like the shark 72 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:24.560 from Jaws in the poster. But the thing about Hodel is that he said 73 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.000 that his father killed him in that secret room. Have you been in there? 74 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:29.480 I've never been. I really want to go in there. And it's 75 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.279 a popular filming location too, which is kind of yeah, I've never been. 76 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:38.519 Well, the secret room was literally maybe two feet wide. You know, 77 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:42.399 it's it's not you know, it's like behind the entertainment center of the 78 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.360 house now, you know, it's it's just it's it's not really a room, 79 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.560 but it is a secret as in like a bookshelf that moves and things 80 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:53.800 like that, but it's not it's not like you know they made it sound, 81 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:59.759 but uh but still anyway, cool place. Yeah, and also used 82 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:03.480 in what the black Tail, No, Um, The Aviator, The Aviator, 83 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:09.560 that was a great movie about Howard Hughes, Leonardo DiCaprio and uh Abitt 84 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:13.519 Gardner's house that we used for that. And it was also I think it 85 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:17.800 was in an episode of Studio sixty on the Sunset, the short lived drama 86 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:21.800 I've seen. I've seen it in commercials before too. I think for a 87 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.399 while it was owned by some advertising executives who would just rent it out for 88 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:30.040 productions. Um, because it's such a cool space. It was also just 89 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:35.800 the thirty fourth anniversary today, I think of Divine's death thirty four is it? 90 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:44.879 I think that's what you wrote on Facebook. Did I check? Yeah, 91 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:49.560 I know you're right. I did write that. But yeah, God 92 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:53.959 Divine and that. But also this week was a John Belushi anniversary, so 93 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.199 right, I was gonna say that two days ago was the fortieth anniversary of 94 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:02.759 Belushi's death at the Mormon Yeah. So, and that's a that's an interesting 95 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:08.759 place that Bungalow Belushi died in I always thought I've read since then quite a 96 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.600 bit about the marmot And I always thought that the bungalow's you know, were 97 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:16.120 fairly recently built. But but they've been part of the hotel for for many 98 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:21.560 decades. And uh and um, and that was also where Anthony Burdane used 99 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:27.959 to stay all the time in that bungalow, oh of of Bungalow number three, 100 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.720 know that it was Blush's probably, but also you know Nick Ray, 101 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:36.839 the director, uh stayed in there for years and he you know, Maryland 102 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:41.879 had been in that bungalow and James Dean had been in that bungalow. I 103 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.160 mean it's it's been that they used it for the rehearsals for Rubble without a 104 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:48.519 Cause in fifty five or four, so uh, you know it had been. 105 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.439 It's got a lot of a really cool history to it that I didn't 106 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:57.079 know, uh until fairly recently. But um, yeah, it's a it's 107 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:01.720 a Marmotza. God. I love that place. I got to meet somebody 108 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:03.199 I've always wanted to meet the other day too, very exciting. Do you 109 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.839 know who Mary warrenovis? That name sounds very familiar. Yes, Mary Warrenovis. 110 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.560 She was in the Warhol factory, you know, back in reading this 111 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.040 in the in the in the early seventies, and uh, and she's a 112 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:20.079 really distinctive look. She's one of those androgynous people. I got turned onto 113 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:24.360 her from Rock and Roll High School. She played the she played Miss Togar, 114 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:26.639 the principal in Rock and Roll High School, which is how I got 115 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.680 turned down to the Ramones too. But she's been in a ton of Corman 116 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:35.480 movies as well, uh, Hollywood Boulevard, Death Race two thousand and uh, 117 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:37.399 and of rock and ROLLI School. But anyway, she's she's an artist, 118 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.039 and I've wanted to buy one of her paintings forever. And then, 119 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:45.639 you know, I figured one time I ran into her at my supermarket and 120 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.440 I was like, I couldn't even speak. I was so excited, like 121 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:50.039 you know, you're you. Oh my god, I love you so much. 122 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:54.000 But anyway, she was doing an art exhibition and they showed h they 123 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.200 showed Eating Raoul. That was the movie that she did that made her kind 124 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.120 of, you know, big on the cult circuit, what started it. 125 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.559 And they showed us screening at that and in art exhibition, I bought one 126 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:07.039 of her paintings, and then in a couple of weeks she's doing a Rock 127 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.679 and Roll high school screening, so I'm very excited about that. So Mary 128 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:15.080 Warrenough, that was a cool thing to Actually, yeah, I loved meeting 129 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.440 her. That was really excited. I couldn't even you know. It was 130 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.360 one of those people that you know, there aren't that many people I want 131 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.279 to meet U and I've met some cool people too. I don't want to 132 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.919 sound you know, like you know, I don't care. I do care 133 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.840 a great deal, but she was somebody I really wanted to meet, So 134 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:37.000 it's right, that's awesome. Um, I wanted to promote a I just 135 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.919 discovered this Twitter account. I put it up on our Facebook. It's called 136 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:45.480 Daily Laurel Canyon Oh yeah, and it's entirely dedicated to Laurel Canyon music scene 137 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.120 of the sixties and seventies, and it's really fascinating. I think it's a 138 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.879 fairly recent account that just launched. I don't know the person who runs it. 139 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.360 I just came across it, but they've been posting tons of content, 140 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.679 photos, videos, music, everything covering that whole history, and some decent 141 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.240 write ups on stories it's on Twitter. Twitter. It's a Twitter account called 142 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:11.480 Daily Laurel Canyon. Okay, really cool, a cool person running it. 143 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:13.320 I wanted to promote that I have no ties to it, but I thought 144 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.360 it was really cool. I stopped at the Canyon Country Store when I was 145 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:20.480 there, and oh god, you know, you know what that place is, 146 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.679 like, I just get soaked. I would I'm there because it's such 147 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:28.120 a it's such a oh my god, it's such an unassuming place. It's 148 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.799 got so much cool history. Um, I was just play. They sell 149 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:35.840 them They sell wine there occasionally, Laurel Canyon Wine. But whenever I go 150 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.600 there, I ask if I can use the bathroom, and they're really nice 151 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:41.840 there and they say yeah, yeah, sure. So you go to the 152 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.519 back of the store and you go down these stairs to the bathroom, which 153 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:50.039 is actually under the store. Well, they say, they say that Mama 154 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.000 Castle lived there, and that's that's just not true. It's never you know, 155 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:56.120 I mean, God bless them. You know, they own the Canyon 156 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.600 Country Store, they've had it for forty years, but they still talk about 157 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.919 Mama Castle living there. That never happen. However, Jim Morrison did live 158 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:05.120 behind it. We know that he wrote, you know the Love Street song 159 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.919 especially, you know there's a store where the creatures meet. Um but they 160 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.240 but it's still it's really kind of cool to go to the Candy Country Store 161 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:15.480 and then go back there because it's like an old store used to be. 162 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.519 It's what it is. You know. It opened up probably in the forties, 163 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.080 I think, and um, I know, it's just really hasn't changed. 164 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:26.000 I hope they never mess with it and always. Really I love that 165 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.240 place so much, I really do. There's not many places you can go 166 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.440 to in LA that still have that kind of magic right to it, you 167 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:37.519 know. Um have you have you seen this, uh, the new Elvis 168 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.600 movie that's coming out from Baz Lerman. No, I haven't seen anything about 169 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:45.320 it. It looks wild. Why. I mean, it's bas Lerman, 170 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.360 so you get that's what you get, you get that production. But Tom 171 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.240 Hanks is playing Colonel Tom Parker. Really yeah, Okay, it's basically like, 172 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.159 you know, a biography of Elvis, you know, obviously centering on 173 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.679 his his career, his entertainment career. But yeah, it looks pretty fascinating, 174 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:03.120 I have to say. I mean it's a big spectacle, which is 175 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:09.039 what Lerman does. But I'm pretty I don't know, I'm cautiously optimistic about 176 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:11.080 it. Looks really cool the trailers out. If you guys want to look 177 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.159 it up. I think it's just called out. Definitely want to. Yeah, 178 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.720 yeah, because the guy that plays Elvis is Tex Watson, isn't he? 179 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.759 Oh? Is it the same actor? I think he is. I 180 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:24.080 think yeah, I think yeah, I'm pretty sure of it. And um, 181 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:28.480 because this is like his first his first thing. But yeah, the 182 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:33.600 guy that plays Elvis is Austin Butler, who played Tex Watson's by the time. 183 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:39.279 Yeah, so yeah, that'll be interesting to see. I don't know. 184 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:41.240 I mean, I only know about Mulan Rusham baz Lerman. That's all 185 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.480 I know. And that's one of my favorite movies. I haven't seen it 186 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.559 since it came out, but I just loved it because it was like living 187 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:50.399 in a dream. It would be a great movie to do, like Mushrooms 188 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.879 Too or something. Yeah, this looks like that, but it's Elvis. 189 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:58.440 It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, cool, I look forward to that definitely. 190 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.919 Um. Kind of seems like it might be like Tom Hanks as Colonel 191 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:03.679 Tom Parker might be kind of like the narrator, kind of almost from his 192 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.240 point of view. That was kind of the vibe I got from the trailer, 193 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:11.559 So that's kind of I mean, he's in it, but it also 194 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.039 sounds like he's kind of like it's yeah, it kind of brings the story 195 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:18.399 around. Yeah, sure, okay, Lou, Yeah, I know nothing 196 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.919 about the movie, so it'll be I'll definitely look at the trailer. Oh. 197 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:24.840 I just just as an update for people, I did drive past the 198 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.720 LaBianca House and it's still there. It hasn't been torn down or anything. 199 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.080 I stopped at the Monastery the Angels, which is that monastery that's in the 200 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.039 center of Hollywood, which has been there since the twenties, or at least 201 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:43.120 the monastery that that cloistered bunch of nuns have been there around since the twenties. 202 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:46.919 They're still there because that's that's supposedly been sold and they're on a month 203 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:52.360 to month lease now. So just the fact that there's a monastery with cloistered 204 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.000 nuns in the middle of Hollywood is just crazy, but they're still there. 205 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:00.639 Stopped at the Old Coyote and stopped our friend Billy, and that was that 206 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.000 was kind of me. It was I was there for one day with with 207 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:07.639 I said, my friends Trey and Joss and uh packed a lot of stuff 208 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.679 in and um, yeah, so it was a it was a good day. 209 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:13.039 Good, good to be back in La. Good to be back. 210 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.399 I was away from LA for a few years, and it was always like 211 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.279 more special when I came back to visit La for a weekend or whatever. 212 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.480 It always made it. I don't know, it was always like more special. 213 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.440 It seemed like to grow on and see the places you don't see him 214 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.440 every day. Yeah, you know, I don't know. I agree, 215 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.399 because you can't pack everything in and you want to go you dry past as 216 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.039 you go. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, I want to do 217 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.320 that, and so maybe it makes you leaves you wanting more. Um, 218 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:48.080 all right, do we have any hate mail? Hate mail? Lots of 219 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:52.639 lots of hateful comments, but nothing really creative, except for one which was 220 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.399 kind of I just kind of funny. Uh. There's a there's a Finding 221 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.120 Death on Facebook. We have the Dearlier Party podcast and also there's a group 222 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.120 called the death Heads of Friends of Julia Party Tours I think it's what it's 223 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:09.159 called. And my friend Jane Osborne and Doris Cook they both moderate it. 224 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.919 You know it's one hundred percent. They're in it. They're the ones that 225 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:16.679 approve people, et cetera, et cetera, and I rarely hear anything about 226 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.600 I'll pop in and stuff, but I don't. I don't really get involved 227 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.279 with it too much. But anyway, somebody suggested a wrote to me, 228 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.600 it's exchanged. Well, it isn't an exchange because I just ignored it to 229 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:31.919 begin with, And I guess that was the problem. So if somebody said, 230 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.759 um, would you be so kind to add me to the dear Leader 231 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.559 party group? I didn't say, because I don't do that. You know, 232 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:39.879 it doesn't It's not up to me. So I ignored it. And 233 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.759 then the next message, fine, I will answer your questionnaire, which is 234 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:50.159 beyond annoying and aggressive and doesn't ensure true fans are the ones applying. Okay, 235 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.519 so go, And then I got another one saying hello, I answered 236 00:15:54.559 --> 00:16:00.759 the questionnaire and have not been accepted. All right, So okay today, 237 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:07.679 Seriously, who the fuck are you to ignorege my ignore? It escalates so 238 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.080 fast, I know, Seriously, who the fuck are you to ignore my 239 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.120 messages in my application to the group, You ugly unfuckable loser. Fuck, 240 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:23.200 it's like, okay, we'll step away, step away from the keyboard. 241 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:30.039 We're all a little stressed, all right, It's okay. Rarely do I 242 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:34.120 laugh at loud at nasty comment. I know. I usually somebody spailed the 243 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:40.840 questionnaires you unfuckable. Fuck. That's really good. I'm gonna have to remember 244 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.159 that one. Seriously. I like, that was good. That's awesome. 245 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:47.519 I uh. The only I mean, we don't really get to hate mail. 246 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:49.879 We keep getting positive reviews of the podcast, which is always nice, 247 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:53.320 especially on iTunes, which is where I think a lot of people will hear 248 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:56.759 us. But why The only big complaint we get is that we don't do 249 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.399 enough episode, that we don't do it often enough. You know, it 250 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.240 was a couple of months since we did the last one, and you know, 251 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:04.480 really, we just we do this. We don't have a set schedule. 252 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:07.759 We do this when our schedules aligned, and when you know, when 253 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.200 you and I are both doing other things too, So we do this when 254 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:17.680 we can. Yeah. Yeah, And we also do the special Patreon episode 255 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:22.680 that it's confusing to people because I have my own Patreon page for Dearly Departed 256 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.799 YouTube and so and then we also have a Patreon page for this on the 257 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:33.640 podcast Patreon page exclusive for the podcast, you get a whole another episode, 258 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:38.079 right for the exclusive of the Patreon, So we do. There is a 259 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:44.759 you know that's easily sixty to ninety minutes worth of content for the bonus step. 260 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:47.920 And we just did another one of those Patreon episodes, um like ten 261 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.720 days ago or something like we can have years ago. Yeah, So when 262 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:56.400 I post this to YouTube directly below this video will be a Patreon link to 263 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:03.920 the podcast Patreon episode solely for the podcast and solely for our Patreon only episode 264 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.640 on the podcast. I just need to make that clear because it confuses me 265 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.799 and I don't want to be insulting to the people who are already supporting you 266 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.839 know, our page or my page. So that's you don't want any more 267 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:21.200 unfuckable fuck email. This is what people saying, Well, I already sponsor. 268 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:22.680 You actually get that. It's like it's a different thing, and that's 269 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:27.079 why it's hard for me to explain that. So and the podcast Patreon is 270 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.680 only two bucks a month, right, and you get that whole bonus episode. 271 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.240 So yeah, so that'll be the link below this episode. You will 272 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.519 see Patreon for the podcast and that that's where you'll get the bonus episode. 273 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.519 So I just want to clarify that. So, do you want to do 274 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.880 the main feature? Are we ready? Sure? I'm ready when you are? 275 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:55.400 All right, it's time for the main feature. And we are doing 276 00:18:55.640 --> 00:19:00.119 Bewitched, which was recommended to us by a few people, and so you 277 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:06.839 know, we like to deliver. Yeah what people, we listen. We 278 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:14.039 listened, and we love and the pizza mant delivers. Yes. Bewhich the 279 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:18.240 famous American sitcom that ran for eight seasons from nineteen sixty four to nineteen seventy 280 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:23.440 two. It was the highest rated show on ABC up to that point in 281 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:30.240 time when it aired, and just a huge smash success sitcom, kind of 282 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:36.440 a trend setting benchmark series. But as a kid, I always confused it 283 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:40.079 with Dream of Genie because they were both in syndication. Yeah, it was 284 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.160 growing up and they were both you know, they ran around the same time 285 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.799 period, and they were both you know, sitcoms about magic wives that have 286 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:51.200 magic abilities. There was some crossover there. Well, yeah, that was 287 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:55.279 a different networks answer. Right, It's like the Munsters in the Adams Family. 288 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:59.200 We got to have a magic woman. Yeah, have a magic wife 289 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:03.079 show with a grumpy a grumpy mail figure. You know, you gotta do 290 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:08.599 that right and which But yeah, I mean talk about a cast. I 291 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:15.000 mean all these people in this show, every guest star, every extra, 292 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.200 you know, from like a billion other TV shows. You know, like 293 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.160 Bernie Coppele, who was who was in like ten episodes it was you know, 294 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:25.240 The Love but he was in Court of It, Betty's father. He 295 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:29.079 was in all these different shows from the sixties. Uh, you know all 296 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:33.559 of them, Sandra Gould, Bernie you know those uh anywhere, We're gonna 297 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.400 get into them all. But but so many of these people were stock actors 298 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:42.880 of the sixties TV shows and um and had a great had great reputations and 299 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:47.480 visibility, and it was a great show. It was a great show. 300 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.240 Yeah, I watched, Um, I watched one episode from season six that 301 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:56.039 Deacon Jones was in. Yeah, Claire, Yeah, it was a it 302 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.119 was a Jack and the bean Stock thing and he was like the the the 303 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.519 guard at the gate was played by Deacon Jones. Back when it was really 304 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:08.319 popular, it seemed like for for famous football players to become actors. Brady 305 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:11.359 Bunch had a couple of those, didn't they. Um, Yeah, a 306 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.839 couple of guests appears. Is that the one that was the one with Johnny 307 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.359 Whittaker, wasn't it where he played Jack? Yes, yeah, that's right. 308 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.640 It's fun again Johnny Whittaker and Billy Mooey who was in Lost in Space. 309 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:27.839 All those guys are on crazy He's a Twilight Zones and these guys, 310 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:33.079 oh Andy Griffith and yeah it's nuts. But uh but yeah, that was 311 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:36.400 and those were fun. They had to get sort of far fetched towards the 312 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:41.240 end of the run to make them really imaginative and exciting and and uh and 313 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:45.440 uh yeah I remember that episode very well. That was It was creepy because 314 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.920 they always showed the guy from Low Low Angles, you know, and the 315 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:52.319 giant, and it was it was really creepy. Yes, some one where 316 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:57.000 Tabitha goes into the storybook m the daughter. Yeah, all right, Um, 317 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:00.680 who do you want to start with? I mean, honestly, do 318 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.440 you want to do you want to go with like the most famous to the 319 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:08.920 least Let's I was gonna say, let's start with the creator, Saul Sack. 320 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:15.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, um. He was the creator. 321 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.599 And what's really interesting is he wrote the pilot and then he never wrote another 322 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.799 episode. Oh interesting, He was like that all done? Send me the 323 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:29.559 royalty checks. I'm I'm rich for life. Isn't it fun? Many who 324 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.480 knew too? He said that, uh, it was. He seems like 325 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.039 it wasn't really an original idea. He kind of he was inspired quote quote 326 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.599 by nineteen forty two As I Married at Which with Veronica Lake and nineteen fifty 327 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:45.680 eight spell Book and Candle with a Jimmy Stewart and Kim Novak and um. 328 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:52.200 Sachs started out as a radio writer and um, what's really interesting is when 329 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.200 we did a whole we talked about Lucy ole Ball, we did our whole 330 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.119 I Love Lucy episode. His first sitcom writer and credit, after he'd written 331 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:04.599 for radio for years, was writing the television version of My Favorite Husband, 332 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:11.200 which Lucille Ball starred in the radio version. It's what kind of gave her 333 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:15.160 a chance to go into television. And they wanted Lucille Ball to do a 334 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:18.119 TV version of My Favorite Husband, and that's when she was like, only 335 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.759 if DESI can be my husband and that's and they were like nah, and 336 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.119 then ended up doing I Love Lucy instead, and My Favorite Husband ended up 337 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:32.160 still getting made, just with different cast and Sacks, the creator of Bewitched, 338 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:34.240 was a writer on that shows, this first sitcom. I'm trying to 339 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:37.920 think. I mean, I just saw that Ricardo's movie, and I think 340 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:44.119 sel Sax is called up by name in that. I think he is called 341 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:48.640 out by name in that right in like the writer's room when they're negotiating that. 342 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:52.880 But yeah, maybe, yeah, talk about a guy, yeah, 343 00:23:52.880 --> 00:24:00.000 a television icon. And it's funny because he didn't do that much else after 344 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:02.759 Bewitched. He really was kind of like, well, I did it. 345 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:06.480 I came up with my big idea. I'm rich. And he doesn't have 346 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.839 a whole lot of credits after Bewitched because a lot of times, even when 347 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.880 someone creates a show like that, it's the beginning of a whole run. 348 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:15.839 He would see her, you know, for the next decade or two. 349 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.640 They're you know, they're a kingmaker kind of in the business. It seems 350 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.359 like he was satisfied to just do that. He'd already been in the business 351 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.920 for you know, fifteen plus years. He had been a performer before then, 352 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:29.359 so maybe he was just kind of like done. But he lived a 353 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:33.279 long time, and he died on April sixteenth, twenty eleven. He was 354 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.000 one hundred years old and he died from pneumonia. Wow, that's interesting. 355 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:42.240 I knew that because that name is iconic too, because such an unusual name, 356 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:45.720 right, so when the show used to be on it, I was 357 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:47.799 like, Oh, that's a cool name. I like that name. And 358 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:52.519 uh so, but I'm surprised because I'm not to say I'm not belittling his 359 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.839 career in any way, but I thought there'd be more to it than that, 360 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.519 you know, because his name is so iconic, and I'm not saying 361 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:00.920 that's all he did, but that's like kind of the thing he's known for, 362 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:06.039 and that was kind of the you know. So since we just mentioned 363 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:10.599 William Asher and and I Love Lucy, we might as well mentioned William Asher. 364 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.400 He was the director of Bewitched, which is interesting because now nowadays in 365 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.759 television a lot of times episodes have their own you know, each episode has 366 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.559 a different director, or you know, a director might direct half of a 367 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.160 season or something like that. But he did. I think most are all 368 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:33.759 of the episodes of Bewitched he directed, And coincidentally, he had directed one 369 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:38.480 hundred and two episodes of I Love Lucy. Oh that many? Yes, 370 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:45.119 that's really interesting. Yeah. His TV directing years went back to the early 371 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.920 fifties, you know, the early years of television, so it's really wild. 372 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.599 He also directed a bunch of episodes of Bad News Bears series Alice, 373 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.839 Gidget, the short lived Paul Lynn Show that they did right after Bewitched, 374 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:02.240 the Patti Duke Show, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, I was 375 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:06.039 shocked because he did those uh the Muscle Beach Party, Bikini, Beach, 376 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:08.559 How Does Stuff a While? Bikini? I mean all those all those you 377 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:15.119 know, beach films. Uh, we were William Asher's and there was one 378 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.640 episode one of those How Does Stuff a While? Bikini? And Buster Keaton. 379 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.640 Buster Keaton was doing those right, and they were they were pretty he 380 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.000 was he played this like pervy old man. That was always you know, 381 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:29.480 just lingering, you know, a little bit too long around the young women. 382 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.960 And but in one episode, Elizabeth Montgomery plays a witch his daughter, 383 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.680 uh, Buster Keaton's daughter in the episode, which is kind of fun. 384 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:41.559 Um. Yeah, well I just it was. I was shocked to see 385 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.160 I watched those movies. I do see them a lot, and to see 386 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.279 Bill Asher still kind of surprising. Um. And he uh, he passed 387 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.599 away after, you know, obviously a very long career in Hollywood. And 388 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.400 he passed around July sixteen, twenty twelve. He was ninety and he had 389 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.480 Alzheimer's. He had, Yeah, he had three kids with Elizabeth Montgomery. 390 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.480 I mean they were together for for a long time. As I understand it, 391 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:08.200 he had he was he had a drinking problem big time. And one 392 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:14.960 another one of his wives was joy Joyce Boullifant, who was another seventies actress 393 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:22.160 who who was played Murray's Gavin McLeod's wife on the Mary Tyler Moore Show, 394 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.319 which she was married to him as well. And uh and said it was 395 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:30.079 it was rough. It was really rough to to live with him during those 396 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.039 years. And um, you know, they maintained a friendship after they divorced 397 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.279 because they had three children together. But they were close with Agnes moorehead. 398 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.319 They were close with Paulin as you were saying he was. They were friends, 399 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.799 but they were very good friends and they still still hung out together. 400 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:48.160 And it was Bill Asher that got Elizabeth Montgomery the part I think of. 401 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:53.680 He certainly pitched her to be Samantha and the trademark wiggle of the nose was 402 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.920 down to Bill Asher recognizing when they were married that she would make an expression 403 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.160 and make her nose. Her nose never really wiggled, but it was really 404 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:07.400 her upper lip. Yeah yeah, her mouth more than their nose. Yeah 405 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.599 yeah. So but yeah, it was down to Asher who came up with 406 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.519 that sort of gimmick instead of having to do a like grandiose gesture or something 407 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.240 like that. And so so for anyone who doesn't know, to catch you 408 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.640 up. So, Elizabeth Montgomery was the star of Bewitch. She played Samantha 409 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:29.119 Stevens, the Witch and Bewitched, and so she was married to William Asher, 410 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.880 who was the director of the show, and they had met a year 411 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.359 before, I think on a TV movie that he directed and that she starred 412 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:38.519 in, and you know, romance and then career. So they had a 413 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:45.200 production company together called Ashmont Productions. So very it's interesting the parallels with I 414 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:51.240 Love Lucy and this husband and wife team and having a production company together. 415 00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:53.759 And the whole reason I think that they did the Paul Lynn show was when 416 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.920 they you know, decided not to renew Bewitched after its eighth season. They 417 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.359 had like a contractual allegations, so they're like, oh, well, we'll 418 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.640 do this show instead to fulfill you know, the obligation to the network. 419 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:10.480 And uh, and that's why that happened. Yeah, it's because when they 420 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:14.640 when they split up Asher and Elizabeth Montgomery. I think they made another season, 421 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.279 didn't they after their breakup of it? They were like breaking up during 422 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.640 the eighth season. I think, yeah, I don't know. I mean 423 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:23.920 one of the I guess one of the things that's blamed on the end the 424 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.119 show ending was because their marriage fell apart, and I don't know, maybe 425 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.519 also just because they've been doing it for eight years. How much more is 426 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.920 there to do? You know? I know that she was over it and 427 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:38.039 she didn't even want to do like the last season because they started recycling episodes. 428 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.359 They just did the same episode again, you know, changing the plot 429 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.640 line a little bit. But there was a reason why she stuck it out 430 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.160 one more season. But she was she was she didn't hate it. But 431 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.720 you know, what else can you do with this? You know, there's 432 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.079 not a whole lot of we've done it. We've done every plot already. 433 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.960 And this was a time when they would do thirty plus episodes in a season. 434 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.559 It's it's unheard of now. It's crazy how much you know, you 435 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.720 have to start recycling plots from other episodes. Yeah, yeah, but I 436 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.240 just you know, I I you know, it was one of those shows 437 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.200 I will always if I'm thumbing, you know, just flicking through TV channels, 438 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.839 I'll always stop on it because it's always funny, you always. And 439 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:19.359 I've seen them, you know, we've all seen them all. You know, 440 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:25.119 there's the one with dot dot dot and uh. And it's shocking because 441 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:30.799 some people have become so iconic because of their appearances on Bewitch. But out 442 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.240 of two hundred and sixty or two hundred and fifty episodes, you know, 443 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:38.759 these people have been in like nine, you know, but they're so synonymous 444 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:44.279 with the show that uh that you know, it's almost like they were a 445 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.880 main character through the whole series. And it's just not that way, but 446 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.160 it was. It's a testament to how big bee, which it was as 447 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.039 a show. Yeah so, um so. Elizabeth Montgomery, the star of 448 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.799 the show. Um two of her real life pregnancies with Asher were written into 449 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.480 the show. Would have got permission to do that, as we know from 450 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.599 you know, doing I Love Lucy, you know, a decade before that 451 00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:11.200 was considered to have a pregnant character on a TV sitcom was you know, 452 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:18.319 pretty boundary pushing um And I guess she was pregnant when they did the first 453 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.119 season in the pilot and they would just kind of did the whole hider behind 454 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.839 things to hide the bump. And then when she got pregnant the second time, 455 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.519 they were like, we're not doing that again. Let's just have her 456 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.799 have it. Let's just have folded in and have them have a kid. 457 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.599 They've been married for a while by this point in the life of the show. 458 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.519 Um, you know, to start a family. People do reproduce. 459 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.640 But it's I'm trying to think of Bewitched. Ever went the root of the 460 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.559 two share sharing the same bad they must have. They must have like the 461 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.440 Munsters did so so I'm sure Bewitched did you know, they probably started as 462 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.440 double bads or twin bads or rather, but uh, but yeah, eventually 463 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:02.559 they did show them I think touching and in in one vehicle bed I know, 464 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.160 but yeah, yeah, but she's another Yeah, she was really active, 465 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:13.359 you know, on television, doing a lot of dramatic television actually surprisingly 466 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.839 and until and then Bewitched happened, and it went boom. That's that's how 467 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:22.920 we know her now. But yeah, her father and then after be which 468 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.079 she wanted to do, she went back to doing more dramatic roles. Again. 469 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:30.359 It's like she wanted to not be that character where we know the comedian 470 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.400 you know. Yeah, one of her first projects was a case of rape. 471 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.519 I mean, you know, it's like it's like Samantha, but she 472 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.359 was never she was never. I mean she was done with Bewitched. She 473 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.839 didn't hate it, but she was done with it. And but she's always 474 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.319 really kind to people about it. When when she was approached and she always 475 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:52.079 answered fan mail about Bewitched, you know, she's always very She never was 476 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:57.160 shitty about it, and um, there's no reason she would have been. 477 00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.680 It just she was just tired of it. But yeah, then trying to 478 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:04.119 break the mold and doing that whole uh missus. Sun Dance was another one 479 00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.960 that I liked a lot that she was in. And you know, she 480 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.559 was married to Gig Young. Are you familiar with him? I know that 481 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.960 name. Yeah, Gig Young was another one of those actors. It was 482 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.160 in a billion different things in television and films. He was the original choice 483 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:23.599 for the gene Wilder part in Blazing Saddles, but he had a real he 484 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.640 had He was supposed to be Charlie and Charlie's Angels, but he had a 485 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:32.359 drinking problem big time and he couldn't even like be coherent about it, and 486 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:37.599 so they were together. Elizabeth Montgomery and Gig Young were together from nineteen fifty 487 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:42.039 six to ninety sixty three. He had married, oh and also his his 488 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:46.319 just for a backstory, his psychiatrist was that Eugene Landy, the Nuts that 489 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:52.000 was after Brian Wilson that latched onto Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys and ended 490 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.720 up like becoming the producer and co writer of all Brising Lynon Wilson's Brian Wilson's 491 00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:02.319 music, etc. But anyway, it was nineteen seventy eight that Gig Young 492 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.039 got married to his second his third wife, I think it was in three 493 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:07.559 months. Three weeks after they got married, he shot her in the hat 494 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:14.559 and then killed himself in an apartment in Manhattan. So, um, it's 495 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.679 just the bizarre murder suicide. Nobody really knows why, but clearly he had 496 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:24.360 substance abuse issues and psychological you know issues, and it's wild how often that 497 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:31.400 is especially a problem. It seems like in that era alcoholis from alcoholism and 498 00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:37.440 drug problems and just poor health and heavy smokers. And I mean we talked 499 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.079 about this before. I just watched The Misfits for the first time finally. 500 00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.039 Oh, I mean, which is wild really, just because it's Clark Gable 501 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:50.960 and Marilyn Monroe's last film for both of the Gable died just days afterwards. 502 00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.119 It's kind of somewhat in some ways killed him, you know, in addition 503 00:34:54.159 --> 00:35:00.239 to his horrible unhealthy lifestyle. M Montgomery Cliff is also in its. It's 504 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.280 just like and John Houston directed it. So so you're talking about just like 505 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.920 a disaster of you know, people coming together. It's a miracle that they 506 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.280 finished it. I think I saw that. Marilyn Monroe said that something like 507 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.199 Montgomery Clift was the only person she ever met who was more messed up than 508 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.320 she was. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That did come. And 509 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.920 the other thing was that they they heard Montgomery Clift. They say they recognized 510 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.559 disaster in each other's eyes and giggled about it, you know. And that 511 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.679 was another thing I did when I was in la As I went to the 512 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.880 telephone pole that Montgomery Clift hit I made some video about that they'll be releasing 513 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.159 soon. That kind of destroyed his brain. But I saw you you posted 514 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:42.079 that photo and I recognized it. Yeah, that was that was but so 515 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:46.480 yeah, very very interesting and uh yeah it was alcoholics obvious. You know, 516 00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.800 there was nobody was in recovery back then. It was you know, 517 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:55.280 card Gable when he had his heart attack was in this hospital with an ash 518 00:35:55.280 --> 00:36:00.800 tray clip to it. It's like, yeah, he had he had a 519 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.519 heart attack two days after they wrap production and died ten days after that. 520 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.800 And anyways, it would be fun to do a Misfits episode actually, because 521 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.480 that gives you an intro to cart Gable and Marilyn Monroe and like, I 522 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:17.280 mean, some great tragic characters depressing. Yeah, I did not. That's 523 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.960 a that's a hard movie to sit through. I it was good, but 524 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:25.400 it's it is not a lighthearted movie, right Uh yeah, the whole drama 525 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.639 with Marilyn Monroe and Arthur Miller in the background. He's writing it and he's 526 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:34.079 really just kind of writing out his problems with her in it, and and 527 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:38.519 um, and he's probably the only I was very impressed by her acting in 528 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:42.599 it. It was. There was a different layer to her that I had 529 00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.800 never seen any other movie. She's just very raw and kind of very super 530 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.840 emotional and almost like you know, I mean in real life she was kind 531 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.119 of falling apart and she her character is doing that. That's a hard movie 532 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.159 to sit there. I yeah, it might be. It may it's it's 533 00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.840 it might be fun to ELpH into it. But something it might be fun 534 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:04.960 to do one day, Mike is to watch a movie together with the sound 535 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.199 of the movie off, so people could be like, MST three K, 536 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:14.800 you know, yeah, just a movie coming. Yeah, that'd be fun. 537 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.760 We could totally do that. Start the movie now right exactly. That 538 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.119 would be cool. That'd be cool. That's a fantastic idea, Scott, 539 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.960 we should. If you're listening to this, you I have ideas for a 540 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.519 movie that we could do. Let us know. I got Sergeant. That 541 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:37.559 would be awesome. So um, all right. So Liz withth Montgomery was 542 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.039 very after she finished with you know, she did movies and television afterwards, 543 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:46.360 really pretty straight stuff. Not any real lighthearted uh you know, Samantha E 544 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:51.760 kind of stuff. She was doing dramas, police dramas. She was she 545 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:57.320 was an aids activist, UH, gay rights activist, women's rights activist, 546 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.039 um when Dick Sargent came out of the closet, who played the second Darren 547 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:05.920 She and he who was who maintained a friendship with the grand marshals of the 548 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.960 LA Gay Pride Parade, right, he had just come out a few years 549 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.760 prior to that. Yeah, and you know, it embraced it, finally 550 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:19.760 embraced it. Yeah. Yeah, and she was not a shocker, you 551 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.159 know, to her. I mean everyone probably knew it. And this is 552 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:29.320 another interesting thing I found out about about her. Now I didn't. There's 553 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.119 a producer named Richard Michaels on the show, and I because that's my dad's 554 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.880 name, I used to clock it all the time, you know, and 555 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.440 I saw it. Apparently, according to what I've read, that she had 556 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.960 a fling with Richard Michaels and that's what ended the marriage to Asher, was 557 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:49.519 this fling that she had with him. And she also had an affair with 558 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:55.199 Alexander Goodnov, the ballet dancer, which yeah, it's just so interesting because 559 00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:00.199 they're saying that he was really in love with her and she died, you 560 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.559 know, when she died ninety five. But so he he died like in 561 00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:06.000 later ninety five, and they say that that's part of the reason he drank 562 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.920 himself to death, which also fits into it was with Montgomery sort of gravitating 563 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:15.960 towards heavy drinkers. Alexander Goodnov died of alcoholism a short period of time after 564 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.239 she did. She didn't die of alcoholism, but um, but yeah, 565 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.280 so it's kind of interesting. And then she hooked up with Robert Foxworth, 566 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:28.239 who was an actor and I don't I don't know much about his career. 567 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.079 I think he was supposed to be j R. Ewing or something like that. 568 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.719 And uh, and he turned it down. Lots of people turned down 569 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.159 some roles and crazy he was. Yeah, so but he and also just 570 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:44.280 as a piece of trivia, Robert Foxworth is the guy who does the narration 571 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:49.239 of the Helter Skelter audio book, which is really good, which is really 572 00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.960 good. Yeah. I read that they were together for like twenty years and 573 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:59.199 then only married for the last few Yeah, it does seem like a genuine 574 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.679 love affair. And uh and uh, he sounds like a really decent kind 575 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.599 of guy. Stability sounds like because it sounds like the other stuff, the 576 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:13.960 swinging sixties cocktail era is quite you know, quite dramatic and uh so um 577 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.639 so, yeah, it was probably nice for that kind of steady relationship. 578 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:23.199 I thought it was interesting that she voiced Samantha on an episode of flint Stones. 579 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:27.000 I guess it was like a crossover thing. Yeah, sometimes that would 580 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.039 happen, um, you know, uh and like Spatman going on Scooby Doo 581 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:35.920 right without the West um, which I thought was interesting because the flint Stones 582 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:42.599 was produced by Hannah Barbara, who also animated Bewitched opening titles and opening credits. 583 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:47.320 Yeah, and Sally. They also produced the I Dream of Genie animated 584 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:52.039 spinoff Genie Oh with Baboo the Big Guy and Apple Damn movie. That's right, 585 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:58.000 that's right. Yeah, Yeah. Hanna Barbara's got their fingers in all 586 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.400 of this and so yeah, they totally do. Yeah, those are some 587 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.559 iconic credits, the opening credits. Uh, that's so cool. Hannah Barbara. 588 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.760 That's very interesting. Well, and we we we would be remissed if 589 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:13.199 we didn't mention that, you know, Bewitched has like one of the most 590 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.519 famous opening sitcom theme songs ever. Yeah, one of the most recognized, 591 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:21.639 instantly recognizable even if you aren't from you know, of that era. Yeah, 592 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.159 you know. It's funny because there's a there was an album that came 593 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:28.320 out of TV show theme songs a couple of years ago and well a couple 594 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.159 of years ago like twenty five now. But they would do that, They 595 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:35.800 would do all the orchestration, but when it comes down to the nose twitch, 596 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:37.599 it's not the same one. You know, they use like the I 597 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.880 phone or something. Oh really, and then on the soundtrack, but then 598 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.159 you watch it on The Flintstones and it's not the same thing. It's not 599 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.159 the same noise that she made when she twitched her nose and the same with 600 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.079 that how to Stop a While bikini. They show her doing the nose twitch, 601 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:58.960 but it's not the same noise, and it's it's almost it's like disappointing 602 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:00.960 when you don't hear the same noise. You know, it's like what would 603 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.039 like the sound department of b Wisch not loan the fully sound effects got to 604 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.360 be it. That's the only way I can explain he because he can on 605 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.280 their own to come up with their own sound. Yeah, I mean, 606 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.760 but like the bee witch thing on on the Flintstones had Dick York and they 607 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.400 were the animated characters, so there's a you know, it can't be that 608 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.840 that copyrighted. She was a witch you know on the show, so they 609 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.320 had to let it go. But for some reason, that noise and it's 610 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:30.400 very disappointing when you don't hear that noise. That that that the right one, 611 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:31.480 you know what I mean, that's my ring tone. That's one of 612 00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:37.960 my that's one of my ring tones is the bewitch twitch um. Another one 613 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:42.199 of her other projects that she did, she did a TV movie about Lizzie 614 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.639 Borden m where she played Lizzie Borden, you know, the famous axe murder 615 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:51.880 story. And I guess I assume that this is true. After she died, 616 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.840 it was discovered that she was actually very distantly related to Lizzie Borden. 617 00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.480 Oh really like a cousin, you know, six times removed kind of a 618 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.559 thing. Yeah, you know, at a certain point it's you know, 619 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.000 you go back far enough, are kind of all related? But yeah, 620 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.519 yeah, well yeah, I mean, but no, that is interesting. 621 00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:13.480 Yeah, because like Princess Diana as Mary was related to Humphrey Bogart. You 622 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.000 know, it's like all right, yeah, that makes sense. I'm reading 623 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.320 Bogie's Bogie's biography right now, are you. Yeah. It's one of those 624 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.880 doorstop sized books. Though. Man, it's going to take me a long 625 00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.400 time to get through it, but it's really good so far. It's called 626 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:30.239 old. How old is the book? I mean, how long ago was 627 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.599 it written? I mean I think sometime within the past, like a couple 628 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.360 of decades. Now. It wasn't like a contemporary of him, I don't 629 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:44.079 think so much. Yeah, interesting, man, um. I also thought 630 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:46.280 it was interesting that she started in a TV movie with O. J. 631 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:52.880 Simpson, which one nineteen seventy seven. This is this is just wait for 632 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.880 the title, um, she plays Um. They both played detectives who have 633 00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:00.360 an affair with each other, and the name of it was called a Killing 634 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.559 Affair. Ain't true? I sting? Yes, OJ was in a TV 635 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:12.079 movie called a Killing Affair? Huh allegedly allegedly if he did it, I 636 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:17.679 don't know. Wow, that's yeah, that's that's there you are. It 637 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.159 was with Montgomery God, and you know the famous line I asked. I 638 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:27.840 did a couple of short YouTube videos with Aaron Murphy who played Tabitha and Bewitched 639 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.920 and h and I asked her if it was true. I guess we'll talk 640 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:32.920 about it when we get to Dick Dick Sargeant, so we could talk about 641 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.719 the fame. Well, no, we already brought it up, the gay 642 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:37.159 Pride thing, right, so I can may as well I can address that. 643 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:42.920 So I did you know some YouTube videos with Aaron Murphy who played Tabitha, 644 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.039 one of the two girls that played Tabitha. Though Aaron Murphy was when 645 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:49.719 it was used the most, and I asked her if this was true, 646 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.679 you know it wasn't With Montgomery and Dick Sargeant. The second Daring were the 647 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.800 grand marshals of the Gay Pride Parade in West Hollywood in nineteen ninety two, 648 00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.480 because Dick Sargeant came out of the closet and she wanted the sower show port. 649 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.400 According to legend, they asked Elizabeth Montgomery why she did it, and 650 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:13.239 she said it, I did it for the love of Dick, you know, 651 00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:15.519 I did ask Aaron Murphy, and I think it was I think the 652 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:21.039 quote was I think that well it's I think the quote was miss you know, 653 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.280 twisted a little bit, but I think I did it to support Dick 654 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.280 or something like that. But it's always been I did it for the love 655 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:31.000 of Dick. That was always that was always the uh, the joke. 656 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:35.320 And so you asked Aaron Murphy about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 657 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.519 yeah, because she I mean, yeah, she she well, she's become 658 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.039 you know, she's the only one that's left except for the little boys, 659 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:44.840 you know, the play the twin Brothers. And uh. But she she 660 00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:49.280 she did confirm that she said something to that effect, but it was the 661 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:53.840 quote was was miss you know, misquoted a little bit, just for for 662 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:59.079 for umph of course. But anyway, well, yeah, Aaron Murphy, 663 00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:00.519 we'll talk a little bit about her later, I guess when we get down 664 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:05.639 to the cast. But uh, but Elizabeth Montgomery, she definitely had a 665 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.599 sense of humor and uh and it was clear during the show when she did 666 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:14.519 the Serena character too. I mean I think I think she loved doing that 667 00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:17.199 because it was no longer Samantha. You know, she could get she could 668 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:21.679 get you know, get crazy and you know, sing and do all those 669 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:23.360 sorts of things. I always said that, like the Tim Curry makeup and 670 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:29.000 Rocky Horror was partially based on Serena's makeup. If you look at it, 671 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:30.920 if you look at it, there's a couple of really distinctive times when she 672 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:35.400 turns her head and stuff. It's very Tim Curry. But um, but 673 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.840 Serena was a great, a great addition to the cast. And I think 674 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.679 that might have been part of it. The reason they did it was to 675 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:45.000 give, you know, to appease Elizabeth Montgomery, to make it fun for 676 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:49.519 her, you know, so right, so and she did and and it 677 00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.039 was really fun to watch the episodes and how they used the doubles, you 678 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.679 know, the back of Samantha's had and every once in a while they'll be 679 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:59.519 Serena in a scene and Samantha's double will walk by and you catch the face 680 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:02.639 and it's clearly not her, but you know it's it's it's so it's so 681 00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.840 fun. Anyway. I love that, love that stuff. But and I 682 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:13.719 love Serena so um. Elizabeth Montgomery passed away on May eighteenth, nineteen ninety 683 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.760 five. She was only sixty two, and she had cancer um possibly colon 684 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:22.239 cancer that spread to her liver. I'm not I'm not sure, but she 685 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.840 I guess you know. She died only eight weeks after being diagnosed, because 686 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.199 she apparently had ignored her symptoms while she was filming something yeah, and kind 687 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.760 of delayed going in to see somebody about it, and they said there was 688 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.039 nothing that they could basically do for her, so she just went home. 689 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:39.239 She didn't want to dine a hospital. Yeah, I think she was. 690 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:44.000 I think yeah. It was the end. It was morphine only they just 691 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:45.599 gave up treatment and she had like two days and said, I want to 692 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:50.400 go home. And as it sounded to me like there was a I don't 693 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.679 want to I don't want anyone with me when this happened. So they kind 694 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.039 of sat outside the room and it happened, and they were they were told 695 00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.320 after it happened. So her wish to wish to now have anyone with her 696 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.000 at that moment, I guess, is what it sounded like. But Elizaeth 697 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:12.719 Montgomery died at twelve thirty Benedict Canyon Boulevard. That was that was her address 698 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:17.320 on Benedict Canyon Boulevard. Elizabeth Montgomery died across the street from John Ridder's house. 699 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.039 It was twelve or five Benedict Canyon Boulevard. So, um huh. 700 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:29.000 I'm not saying I'm just saying the curs of Benedict Canyon. So rest in 701 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.760 peace, Elizabeth Montgomery. Yeah. So next, of course, we have 702 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:37.679 to talk about dick Yorke, who was the first Darren Stevens, the first 703 00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:43.239 actor to play her husband on it, which he was nominated for an Emmy 704 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:47.199 four she was she was nominated for five Emmy's. Yeah, there were some 705 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.159 serious nominations going on with this show and wins. Yeah, yeah, totally. 706 00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:57.119 Um so he um. I think what's most interesting about him, the 707 00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:01.000 reason he was replaced is really a tragic story and all about kind of the 708 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:06.239 ruining of his life to some extent. Years before he did Bewitched, he 709 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:10.800 was in a film called They Came to Cordura with Gary Cooper and Rita Hayworth, 710 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.159 and this was in nineteen fifty nine, and while filming it, according 711 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.519 to him, it was the last shot of the day on the second on 712 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.880 the second to last day of filming, and he and Cooper were using one 713 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:27.320 of those railroad hand cars you kind of crank up and down, and while 714 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.960 doing it, I think the actor yelled, he said, the actor yelled, 715 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.199 cut, and some extra reached up and put his hand on the crank 716 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:37.800 as he was lifting it up, and so it ended up being a different 717 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.639 weight than what he was expecting, and he tore the muscles in his back 718 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:46.960 and caused it basically a permanent back injury to himself as a result of that 719 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.719 move. It was just a freak accident, all right. I gotta think 720 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:52.719 that one through because if the if the I know what you're talking about. 721 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:57.960 It's like a teeter totter thing, right, and somebody's pushing, but it's 722 00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.519 never a blifting. It's always a push. Or maybe it was. Maybe 723 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:04.719 he's just I don't know how he said it, but he was pushing down. 724 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.960 But whatever was exactly what you mean. There was more resistance on the 725 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.920 move than what he was expecting to happen, and he ripped his back, 726 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:15.639 He ripped his muscles. So he quote he quote said that was the start 727 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.880 of it, all the pain, the painkillers, the addiction, the lost 728 00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:23.559 career um and he said his spine healed incorrectly. So he had back issues, 729 00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:28.320 you know, going into the show. And they just got progressively worse 730 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.519 and worse and worse as the first few seasons bore on um to the point 731 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.880 where by season five they were I think they were writing, you know, 732 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.880 scripts for him to be seated or laying down just so he wouldn't have to 733 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.400 be on his feet as much. And then finally you know in in Well 734 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.320 in the season five he couldn't do it anymore. Yeah, they did, 735 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:50.519 like there's there's I don't know x amount of none Darren episodes where he was 736 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.079 away on business and sure they would talk about him, but there was there 737 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:59.360 was no Darren. And I remember reading that that they had we like when 738 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.000 they were making the a of Oz, the ten men couldn't sit down with 739 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:05.719 his makeup on, so they they filled a platform so when he wanted the 740 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.840 rest that he could just lay lean back. Yeah, and they had one 741 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:14.719 for Dick York because he had such a problem with standing after a while. 742 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.440 And uh, and there was one episode, I guess there was an episode 743 00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:23.320 it sounded like, um, he passed out, Dick Yorke did and on 744 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:27.800 the set and Asher said, you want to you want to you want to 745 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.519 stop it now? And I think it was like do you want to stop 746 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.760 this episode now? But it was an agreement that do you want to stop 747 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.199 being on this show now? And he was like, yeah, I think 748 00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.679 it's time. He had I think he was like climbing up on scaffolding or 749 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:43.800 something for the show and he had an episode. Next thing he knew, 750 00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:45.559 he was on the floor basically, Yeah, they were all standing around him. 751 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:50.800 Yeah. And he was also, um, you know, he was 752 00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:52.480 in a couple. I think he was in like a fantasy island or something 753 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.960 after he was in one or two different things after it Bewitched. But he 754 00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:02.760 he'd been married to his wife for thirty plus years and her, the wife's 755 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.599 mother, passed away and they went to Rockford, Michigan, and lived in 756 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.880 Rockford, Michigan for the last part of his life. And he was a 757 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.440 three pack a day smoker, so he had emphysema. And I remember he 758 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:20.280 would show up in interviews with this this thing around his nose, uh, 759 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.119 you know, and and the most chipper nice you know, like not like 760 00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:27.559 not morose, not because I think they were on welfare for a while, 761 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:32.239 Dick York was, I mean, um, yeah, because he was making 762 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:37.000 only like four grand a week for Bewitched, for our per episode, I 763 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.000 think it was. But I don't know. Residuals and royalties weren't a thing 764 00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:43.480 yet, I don't. I don't think so much back then. And um, 765 00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.119 so he ended up spending his last years in Michigan, and he was 766 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:52.280 an activist and he would uh he was. I remember, uh, he 767 00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.280 used to be a frequent guest on this show that I used to listen to, 768 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.360 this Johnny B radio show in Chicago, and he would always he'd raise 769 00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:05.119 money or he raise m He donate sleeping backs to homeless people, and he'd 770 00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.239 raised money for to feed homeless people. And I remember he there was a 771 00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:12.079 thing you this is probably not on your radar at all, but there was 772 00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.480 a thing in the eighties there was some whales trapped in the ice. And 773 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.280 I forget where this was near the North Pole and I'll ask or something like 774 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.519 that, but it was just they had the world's attention for a while that 775 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:24.239 there was this little hole of ice and these whales were trapped there and they 776 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:27.800 couldn't get him out. And dick Yorke was a big, you know, 777 00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:31.000 proponent of raising the money to get that done. So he was, you 778 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:36.559 know, for being a guy that was down physically, big time down physically, 779 00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:43.519 remained really optimistic and active and causes that that was that's pretty didn't let 780 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.159 him bring him down mentally and emotionally. Yeah. Yeah, And he also 781 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.360 kicked his drug habit. I supposedly he kicked. He finally he went cold 782 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.559 Turkey for like six It took him six months. Yeah, you know, 783 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:57.239 torture agony basically to kick the painkiller habit. It's quite you know, four 784 00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:00.239 thousand all he said, four thousand a week or an episode four episode. 785 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.920 That's I mean, I just looked it up. That is thirty four grand 786 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.199 today. It's not you know, back then it was a decent amount of 787 00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:13.000 money. Yeah, it's just I think a lot of these guys, they 788 00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:15.360 at least actors, they just didn't I don't they had bad business management and 789 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.480 they didn't put the money away, or maybe in his case, his career 790 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.360 ended before he planned on an ending, so that that was the problem. 791 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.719 I don't know. They never do spend it. Yeah, he had a 792 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.400 house. I know. The house that he had was on scenic right off 793 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.599 Beachwood Canyon. So it wasn't like a crazy, you know, mansiony house. 794 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.960 It was right off. It was right off like Franklin right about Franklin. 795 00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:42.840 Um sure, but uh but yeah, I guess that was it. 796 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.920 But that was like Battle Legosi. You know, here's your you know, 797 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.719 your fifty grand for being in the show. The end. You know what 798 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.480 else it also, you know, he had drug and medical issues that's gonna 799 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:58.159 stuck up a lot of obviously, and it wasn't in syndication so until much 800 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.360 later. So yeah, but he was everyone's favorite Darren. You know, 801 00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:06.639 everyone pretty much thinks he's he was the best Darren of the two. Yeah, 802 00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:08.280 it seems like people, to at least the fans, did not like 803 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:14.119 Dick Sargeant as much in the role, which is ironic because Dick Sargent was 804 00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:21.360 offered the role first and refuge. So so Dick Yorke passed away in February 805 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.360 twentieth, nineteen ninety two, only sixty three years old, from emphysema or 806 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:30.239 complications from emphysema. M Yeah, he's buried in Michigan too, which always 807 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:34.199 really surprised me. It's like Michigan, but yeah, that's where he is. 808 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:37.920 So you're from Michigan, I know, but he's on the other side 809 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.519 of You're like, but I'm not gonna be buried there. Well, I 810 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:45.199 do have a great in Michigan too, but um, the dicks, so 811 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.519 that both of the dicks were really you know, I used to hate the 812 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.280 fact that they wouldn't let her use her witchcraft. I used to hate that. 813 00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:55.960 You know, It's like, how fun is that to have somebody around 814 00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:01.320 to do that and he's forehead man, both on the same team. Yeah, 815 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:07.519 remember mom, that was her mom's constant gripe was witchcraft. Yeah yeah, 816 00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:12.840 that that she wasn't allowed to use it. Yeah. So. Um 817 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.760 So, Dick Sargent replaced York after York had to leave for the health reasons 818 00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:20.960 to play the husband Darren Stevens. And to your point, he originally turned 819 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.400 the role down to begin with, so he was originally their first choice, 820 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:27.840 so it makes sense they went back to him when they needed a replacement. 821 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:31.920 And he was born into an entertainment family. His mother was a silent film 822 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:37.760 star a bit parts and his father was a business manager in Hollywood was Douglas 823 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:44.159 Fairbanks business manager and Eric von Straheim. Um. So he was born into, 824 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.320 you know, a connected entertainment family, which I'm sure didn't didn't hurt. 825 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:52.880 And he was in Operation Petticoat with Carry Grant, the Ghost and Mister 826 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:57.320 Chicken with Don Knots. That's got to be our Halloween episode this year. 827 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:00.920 Oh my god, it's one of my favorite movies in the world. I 828 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:05.199 love that movie so much. And all the characters should be witched here in 829 00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:09.679 it. You know that great? Oh my god, I love that movie 830 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:15.079 so much. That should be our live watch. You know that should be 831 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:21.039 our we should we should watch that. That would be great. I loved 832 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:22.719 the incredible mister Limpett when I was a kid. I thought that was like 833 00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:28.199 the best movies ever with Don Knots. So I'm on on board with it. 834 00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:30.880 Um. And he was also and Live a little Love with Elvis, 835 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:37.760 bringing things back around full circle to the beginning. Interesting um guest appearances and 836 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:39.400 tons of shows like what we've been saying. He was an I Dream. 837 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:44.840 Coincidentally, he was in I Dream of Genie, Ozzie and Harriet Three's Company, 838 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:50.679 Charlie's Angel, The Love Boat, Uh Taxi, Different Strokes, Murder. 839 00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:52.079 She wrote, La law et cetera, et cetera. You mean you 840 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.599 look at the stuff that guests started, and it's like almost every show from 841 00:57:54.599 --> 00:58:00.000 the seventies and eighties. Yeah, yeah, So I think it was surprised, 842 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:01.159 and in fact I got the movie out, so I'm gonna watch it 843 00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:07.679 later on. He was in Hardcore with with George C. Scott, which 844 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.519 is this this movie? It was in seventy nine, where George C. 845 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:15.159 Scott finds out that his daughter was in a hardcore porn movie and the whole 846 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:20.239 idea is this like this this noir, you know, thriller kind of movie, 847 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.400 drama movie. And I'm like, Dick Sargeant was in there. I 848 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:27.199 forgot so I'm gonna watch it again tonight just to just to see. But 849 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.679 they're saying that was that was, you know, one of his uh dramatic 850 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.639 roles, which I'd never even know he did, because he's always been that 851 00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.199 same guy, you know, whenever you see him. Do you know what 852 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:44.280 his birth name was, Darren what? No, No, his birth name, 853 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:47.480 because Dick Dick Sargent was a stage name. His birth name was Richard 854 00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.840 Cox. Really, so he was born Dick Cox, Dick Cox, and 855 00:58:54.000 --> 00:59:00.440 so he takes the stage name and keeps the dick and who doesn't ladies in 856 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:06.599 terms, which so apparently though his name, that stage name came from there 857 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:10.840 was a famous artist who did these very normal Norman Rockwellest Saturday Evening post covers 858 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.039 whose name was Richard Sergeant. That's who he took his stage name from. 859 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:20.639 Interesting. Wow, that's yeah, that's sort of unusual choice. But there 860 00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:24.480 are so um you know. Also, I was never a fan, but 861 00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:30.679 apparently he was in two seasons of Dukes of Hazard. Uh oh really yeah, 862 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.800 he played a sheriff and Dukes of Hazzard a sheriff, not the sheriff. 863 00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.639 But but yeah, that's so, that's what I anyway, But yeah, 864 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:45.079 interesting, but there you are, for the love of Dick um So. 865 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:49.159 Yeah, So he came out in ninety one and um, I think 866 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.679 he'd had one of former partner who he never revealed, who had died in 867 00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:59.639 the seventies, I think from some health issues and then UMU was with someone 868 00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:02.119 else for you know, a long term relationship when he when he died, 869 01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:06.519 Yeah, I thought I know that there was when he was towards the end, 870 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:12.199 I think they thought they were assuming that it was age related because he 871 01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.880 had lost so much weight and uh and that just wasn't the case. Not 872 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:20.079 that he needed defending of that, but it just wasn't he I think it's 873 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.800 he he went public with the prostate cancer, but everyone thought, you know, 874 01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:25.639 oh, because it was at the time, you know, it was 875 01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:30.760 still it was relevant and his quote about it what kind And he died just 876 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:32.199 you know, three years after he came out, so it would have been, 877 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:35.639 you know, definitely on his mind that people would be thinking that. 878 01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:38.880 His quote was I don't have AIDS I am. I am HIV negative, 879 01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.880 but if I did, I would wear that badge as proudly as everybody else 880 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:47.079 who has it. HM. I've heard that the reason he came out is 881 01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:52.679 because someone was going to sell the story to the tabloids, and he was 882 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.679 sort of gonna, you know, cut it off, do it before, 883 01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:00.039 you know, take away the power of the gossip by just owning it. 884 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:05.719 And I think those but Montgomery had a lot to do with the public embracing 885 01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:10.199 that. They didn't they do? Uh. I know they did a Roseanne 886 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.480 episode where they switched the Becky's. They did at Roseanne Reunion and it was 887 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:20.320 literally a bewitched reference about the Darrens and I forget what it was, but 888 01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:24.400 oh interesting it was. It was it was exactly the same thing that the 889 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:30.239 Beckys and getting rid of the dicks are switching. Switching the dicks. Well, 890 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:37.519 that will never get old for me. Um so uh. He died 891 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:42.760 on July eighth, nineteen ninety four. Um And Elizabeth Montgomery died less than 892 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.639 a year later. Um And he was only sixty four and it was prosay 893 01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:52.079 cancer. Oh gossip, though I've heard a rumor alleged. Note this is 894 01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:57.159 not a fact. I heard that, Uh that Dick Sergeant and Tony Perkins 895 01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:01.559 had a thing going on. Oh interesting, yeah him, Yeah, that's 896 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:07.840 the goss. I wonder what tab Hunter would have thought of that? Yeah, 897 01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.920 I wonder so rest in peace, Um, Dick Sargent, the Dicks 898 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:19.159 r I p um all right, the one and only Agnes Moorehead who played 899 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:25.639 Indoor Samantha's mother, who had about a story to a career in Hollywood as 900 01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:30.920 a person, show business as a person could have started starts out early in 901 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:36.199 life as a principal player in Orson Wells as Mercury Players theater Company stars with 902 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.320 them in the radio show The Shadow, the Famous you know, one of 903 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:43.159 the fa famous radio shows ever. Um, and then is his character's mother 904 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:45.960 and Citizen Kane like and this. One of my favorite movies as a kid 905 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:50.920 was the Charlotte's Web animated movie and she played a goose in it. That 906 01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:53.760 was later late in her career. What are you talking oking about? I 907 01:02:53.840 --> 01:03:00.519 love that movie. What are you talking talking about? Tubble double I double 908 01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:07.880 F double lie. I love that. Apparently you talk about people getting tired 909 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.519 of the show. She did was not crazy about the show. Obviously she'd 910 01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:14.199 done. You would look at what else she had done in her career in 911 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:16.199 doing this kind of what she mean. She referred to the scripts as hacky 912 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:20.199 or like hack scripts, and come on, they were compared to what she 913 01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.079 had done before. And she kind of took the show not thinking it was 914 01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.800 going to be successful, and then was kind of trapped by the show's success. 915 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.000 Hated the scripts, but then you know, it made her more famous 916 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:34.039 than she'd ever been before, and she got six Emmy nominations out of it. 917 01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:36.880 Yeah. I don't think she was ever nasty about it. I think, 918 01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:39.519 like it was in Montgomer, just bored with it. But she was. 919 01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:44.480 She played along with the crazy makeup and the crazy outfits, and so 920 01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.719 I don't think because she was in almost every episode two, along with Elizabeth 921 01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:52.840 Montgomery most more than the Darren's I think she had apparently had a contract where 922 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:57.519 she would only be in seventy five percent of the episodes. Oh, she 923 01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.639 would at least have some free time, yeah, to do other things and 924 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:05.239 not be doing this around the clock. Wow, suppose, but a lot. 925 01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:10.400 She is so good. She's so good. I mean, you know, 926 01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:12.639 if it was, I mean, yeah, it's got to be weird 927 01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:15.079 to be that accomplished. I mean, hush, hush, sweet Charlotte. 928 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:19.000 And and um and sorry, wrong number was another radio show which is really 929 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.679 good. Actually that's on YouTube and if you listen to that one, Ellen's 930 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:28.360 that one's an insane radio show. Uh with with her she was in The 931 01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:31.599 Conqueror, that famous film, Uh that it was Howard Hughes film. I 932 01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.960 think we're all yeah, with all those people die to cancer they were filming 933 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:41.239 it, like where they were nuclear bomb testing and stuff. It's interesting, 934 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.800 like forty one percent of the crew got cancer after you know what, through 935 01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:47.360 through during their life the rest of their lifetimes after that. So it's kind 936 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.440 of recurred referred to as a curse because supposedly they filmed near you know, 937 01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:57.119 nuclear testing sites in Utah. Yeah, but it's also I guess kind of 938 01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.159 been. It's been a little bit disproven and the the rate of cancer was 939 01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:04.159 not beyond what the norm would be for that many people because of Twitter and 940 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:09.840 some people worked on the movie. And yeah, yeah, but that's I 941 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:13.199 mean, that's that's significant though, especially that was early on too. I 942 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:16.000 mean those guys died, you know, in the seventies, Edgins, Moorehead 943 01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:19.280 and John Wayne died in the eighties I think, And so they died young, 944 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:24.679 a lot of them. Yeah, so uh yeah, And it's much 945 01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:28.000 like well, much like a lot of things are attributed to it. So 946 01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:30.960 I'm sure there's some stretches in there for sure. But but yeah, but 947 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:34.920 she was and she had remember that twilight zone she was in with the with 948 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:39.079 the aliens that landed there were there were the tiny aliens. That was a 949 01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:42.559 good one. She was a lot of these people were in good twilight zones. 950 01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:47.239 Magnificent Amberson's dark passage she was in. And uh and also now her 951 01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:53.239 family were really devout Christians. They she was raised by an altar Christian like 952 01:05:53.280 --> 01:06:00.199 preacher family, and she had a ranch in Ohio and she and eventually that's 953 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:02.719 it just gets unusual of all the places, she ended up being buried back 954 01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:08.840 in Ohio. I went to her grave fairly recently too, and I was 955 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:11.239 like, why how did you end up here? But she had a ranch 956 01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:15.960 in Ohio where she was actually from, and that's why she ended up back 957 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:24.840 there. And there's the rumor that she was a lesbian and that she had 958 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:29.280 an affair with Debbie Reynolds. That's always been the rumor. Now I knew 959 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:30.920 a guy. There's a guy I know by the name of Bose Hadley who 960 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:35.360 wrote a book called Hollywood Lesbians, and almost every woman that he spoke to 961 01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:41.199 basically admitted to him that they were lesbians. But you know, they're all 962 01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:44.480 dead now, so there's no way you can. You can you could prove 963 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:47.400 it, but uh but he he aluded. He said straight out that she 964 01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:54.360 that she was. Um. I don't necessarily agree with that, and I 965 01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:59.440 know that Debbie Reynolds took exception to that. Of course she would. But 966 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:04.199 I remember Carrie Fisher when when Eddie Fisher wrote his book, his tell all 967 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:09.880 book, that Carrie Fisher his daughter said I'm gonna have my DNA fumigated after 968 01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:14.280 that because the book is so so really vulgar and and and he brought out 969 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:18.639 the whole lesbian Agnes moorehead think that that Debbie Reynolds was had an affair with 970 01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:25.400 her. They were close, very very very close, but they weren't lovers. 971 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:30.800 I don't Apparently Paul Lynde was credited with being one of the main purveyors 972 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:33.119 of that rumor. He talked about it a lot, and I think at 973 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:36.000 one point said everybody the whole world knew she was gay or something like that. 974 01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:39.719 Um. But yeah, Debbie Reynolds denied it, and I know others 975 01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:42.920 close to her denied it, including I think I read somewhere that she had 976 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.280 an assistant or somebody that worked for her, I think that was gay, 977 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:49.440 and was like, no, he said she wasn't. And they basically blamed 978 01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:54.480 it on Paul Lynde just spreading rumors. Yeah, Eddie Fisher though he did 979 01:07:54.519 --> 01:07:58.840 because I would. Carrie Fisher. Um, she was pissed, I know, 980 01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:00.760 because she told you know, she said I was gonna say, hey 981 01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:03.239 when I sund I dropped these things like I you know, I'm friends with 982 01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:05.719 them. I wasn't, but she did. When I talked to her about 983 01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:10.119 it the book, she goes, this is my mother. He's telling you 984 01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:13.559 know, my father is writing these things about my mother. And she was 985 01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:17.239 really really angry about it. And Todd Fisher I listened to his book recently, 986 01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:24.000 Debbie's Son and Uh and talks in date in great detail about the Agnes 987 01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:27.840 moorehead relationship and how close they were, and there was some screwed up stuff 988 01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:30.079 at the end of her life. She was Debbie Reynolds was supposed to be 989 01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.800 the executive tricks of the estate, and some other family got in and got 990 01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:39.279 everything and et cetera, et cetera. Was an ugly, ugly aftermath after 991 01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:44.880 she passed away. But but but it's just yeah, it's sort of sad 992 01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:47.600 because you don't really hear her talking. Talk about her being along with men 993 01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.079 too much, you know, but that doesn't mean anything. She just might 994 01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:57.119 not have been interested. But yeah, not everybody who's not in dating that's 995 01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:01.000 to be gay. She called her Pelind called her one of the one of 996 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:06.039 the bull Dikes or something. Didn't he didn't he that's right, that's right, 997 01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:11.079 something like that. Yeah, Paulin was a nasty drunk, though funny 998 01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:15.239 guy, but a nasty drunk. Yeah. Um. Agnes Moore had passed 999 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:17.800 away on April thirtieth, nineteen seventy four. She'd been in kind of failing 1000 01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:21.319 health for years. I think she was she was seventy three, and I 1001 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:25.760 think her eventual cause of death was uterine cancer. Yeah, so again that 1002 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:30.920 you know that conqueror cancer curse. Um. And interestingly, her mother outlived 1003 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:34.560 her by sixteen years. Her mother lived to be one hundred and six and 1004 01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:39.279 um she left you know, provisions in her will to take care of her 1005 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.880 mother because you know, she knew she was she was dying and her mother 1006 01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:45.000 wasn't. And I think her mother was really her only person, you know 1007 01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:48.439 that she left behind in her estate. There had been a son, but 1008 01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:50.960 not really a son. I guess that she didn't consider a son, but 1009 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:56.079 she'd had a foster son that she had had lived with her for a few 1010 01:09:56.159 --> 01:10:00.840 years, but I don't think she ever acknowledged him as being a relative of 1011 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:01.920 hers, which is kind of I don't know what the I don't know what 1012 01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:04.920 that story is. But yeah, her mother I lived her by sixteen years 1013 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:09.880 and was taken care of by more heads of state after she passed away. 1014 01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:15.760 Interesting she the house that Agnes Moore had lived in was in on Roxbury Drive 1015 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:19.800 in in Beverly Hills, get down like two doors over from Rosemary Clooney and 1016 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:24.880 the Gershwins, and Lucy was across the street in peter Fall. But they 1017 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:29.560 it's kind of neat because they the people that own Agnes Moorehead's house now decorate 1018 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:35.159 it for Halloween and not in the Agnes Moorehead necessarily, like they don't have 1019 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:40.680 and Dora's like sitting around, but but they do, you know, embrace 1020 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.199 the whole spooky sort of thing. On Halloween. You can go check or 1021 01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.960 treating at and Dora's house, which is kind of cool. That would yeah, 1022 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:53.039 yeah, I think my favorite Halloween house is there's a house in Santa 1023 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:56.600 Monica and the nice, fancy, nice neighborhood there and kind of north end 1024 01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:00.199 of Santa Monica that they have a child's jim aum in the front yard, 1025 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:02.840 which is kind of unusual, like one of those metal dome shaped ones, 1026 01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:06.359 like what you would see in like a playground, and they put they put 1027 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.960 fake black crows on it, like the birds have fun, which I think 1028 01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:15.560 is awesome. Yeah, that is cool. Have you been to that house 1029 01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:20.399 in Santa Monica that they based the Bewitched House on. No, I've never 1030 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:26.199 ridden. I think it's on Eighteenth Street, but it is the Bewitched House. 1031 01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:30.079 It's mirror image. It's on a corner eighteenth and something. But if 1032 01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:32.359 you look at it, I mean it's it's undeniable. It's just the mirror 1033 01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:38.159 image. You know, it's like everything that the siding and the brick, 1034 01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:41.840 and but it just it just from right to left instead of that it's from 1035 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:45.560 left to right. It's kind of it's kind of funny. Well, and 1036 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.720 coincidentally, the house that they used for all the establishing shots on Three's company 1037 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:53.600 is in Santa Monica. Oh really, if you ever look, it's it's 1038 01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:57.640 a photograph that they use the same photo throughout the entire run of the show. 1039 01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.520 Basically, they just took a picture of a round some he found it 1040 01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:01.439 though. It's down in kind of south center, kind of on the way 1041 01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:05.520 towards Venice, not far in the ocean. Yeah, someone has located I 1042 01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:09.279 mean it's I say, it's a house, even though it's supposed to be 1043 01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.000 a stand in for like more of a little apartment, you know, a 1044 01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:14.560 part an apartment complex. But I think in real life it's a house. 1045 01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.720 But yeah, someone found it. And then the Golden Girls House is just 1046 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:24.640 north of east of there in Brentwood, that word, even though it's supposed 1047 01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:28.479 to be Florida. Yeah, and I think the Golden Girls House is still 1048 01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:32.800 there probably well, I probably would imagine so, because I think we'd heard 1049 01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:35.319 about it. If it isn't it, how could you tear that down? 1050 01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:41.760 You know, it's the hell with the viper room. The Golden Girls House 1051 01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:49.920 saved the real history. Yeah, Blanche. They did a heck of a 1052 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.560 job though, finding that house, because I really, I always really did 1053 01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:55.840 believe it was in Florida. It always felt like a Florida house. And 1054 01:12:55.880 --> 01:13:00.760 apparently no, it's Brentwood. We'll see Mike and Hollywood. They do things 1055 01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:02.960 a little different east, thing called movie magic. Maybe you haven't heard. 1056 01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:14.079 Yeah, I mean it's not too far from OJ's house. Yeah, in 1057 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:17.520 that general area. Yeah, I think so, yeah, oh that you 1058 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:19.479 know? And um, what's her face? Um? The one it just 1059 01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:24.840 died? Betty White. She lived on Carmelina, which is that street that 1060 01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.159 Maryland die off of. You know, she's on fifth Helena. You know 1061 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:30.439 there's like all the way to eighteen Helena's you know, there's fifth, sixth, 1062 01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:33.920 seventh day and Betty White was on Carmelina that all the Helenas are off 1063 01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:38.479 of. That's what I didn't forever and ever, Yeah, I need did 1064 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:42.600 I actually I still remember that day we went we filmed over there, m 1065 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:47.279 h without permission. It was great yeah, you know what, I was 1066 01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:50.920 just talking to somebody about that. Well, these guys that it took around 1067 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:55.479 the other day we went to the Wonderland House and I was explaining that business, 1068 01:13:55.640 --> 01:14:00.239 you know, and it's like talk about you know, you gotta be 1069 01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:03.119 you gotta go rogue, you gotta go rogue. You have to that's my 1070 01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:06.319 best that's our best get ever, at least that I was a part of. 1071 01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:11.439 Yes, that was a hell of a that we got to walk around 1072 01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:14.800 inside the Wonderland Murder House. When you get an opportunity, it's like, 1073 01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:16.560 you know, I heard about it. It's like bam, I called you 1074 01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:20.760 and within an hour we were there the nearest camera I can find and we 1075 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:25.640 ran over there. You can if you and um and you can the videos 1076 01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.760 on YouTube if you guys look it up. We posted it. It's a 1077 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:33.119 classically for the faint of heart, though it does show dead people. So 1078 01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:36.079 yeah, yeah, the fact, yeah, well we talked about that before, 1079 01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:41.359 but they used we we edited the original crime scene footage that still let 1080 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:44.319 the victims in it with the empty rooms when we were in it, and 1081 01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:47.159 that was that was that was something and it was famous for being the first 1082 01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:51.880 time that like video video tape footage was used to document a crime scene. 1083 01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:57.680 I think, yeah, was that the actual crime? So yeah, and 1084 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.720 all the victims are you know that died or still there when they film it. 1085 01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:04.600 They had moved him yet, so well, rest in peace, Agnes 1086 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:13.239 Moorehead. Do we want to talk about David White? Sure? Um. 1087 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.880 David White played Darren Stevens's boss at the big advertising firm that he works at. 1088 01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:23.520 His character's name was Larry Tate and he was a White was a popular 1089 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:26.880 character actor who did tons and tons of guest experiences like so many of these 1090 01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:30.560 others were talking about. He was also in Brewster's Millions with Richard Pryor, 1091 01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:36.520 which I really cool. Yeah, And tragically, his son died in the 1092 01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:41.840 lockerbee bombing of pan Am flight one h three in nineteen eighty eight, as 1093 01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:45.479 some was only thirty three years old, and he had previously lost his wife, 1094 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:51.119 who was his son's mother. She died from complications after childbirth in the 1095 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:57.760 fifties. Yeah, that's a kind of a tragic personal life, Yeah, 1096 01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.359 for sure. Yeah, it's funny. You know, I don't He's not 1097 01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:02.600 one of those characters that I looked back lovingly, you know. He was 1098 01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:09.039 he was so skeasy on the show and um and uh and uh but most 1099 01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:12.920 people agree that, you know, his son's death really did it for him 1100 01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:17.319 as as it would uh yeah, completely so uh yeah, so I think 1101 01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:21.600 his wife didn't die in childbirth, but very closely afterwards, I think and 1102 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:28.319 uh so yeah sad but um and he and he's that very famous episode of 1103 01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:32.640 the Witch Word and Dora sculpts Darren and Larry Tates, uh busts their heads, 1104 01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:35.479 not their bust but they're just their heads. And they creep me the 1105 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:41.039 heck out when they would turn and talk and that was so scary and um 1106 01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:44.960 and uh and he ended up getting that prop and putting it. It's in 1107 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:46.880 his grave. I mean, that's his niche at Hollywood Forever as that heat 1108 01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:54.520 and uh yeah, because he died so you're the kindred trauma for you for 1109 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:59.119 from that show is part of his memorial, which you know, and even 1110 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:02.119 kind of weirder is that he it took him a long time to be several 1111 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:06.720 years after he died, he was cremated and he and his son are together 1112 01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:12.359 in this niche at Hollywood Forever. O. Well before they were put there. 1113 01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:16.279 I bought my niche there, and my niche is two down and three 1114 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:21.279 over. So I bought mine and they got there's later. And that head 1115 01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:28.680 is right above my niche at Hollywood forever. So so my kinder trauma is 1116 01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:34.760 going to be above me for all of eternity. M David White passed away 1117 01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:39.119 on November twenty seven, nineteen nineties, so just a couple of years after 1118 01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:42.359 his son died. He was seventy forty. He had a heart attack. 1119 01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:47.159 Um, since we just talked about the Larry take character, his wife was 1120 01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:57.399 played by Irene Vernon HM and for very only for the first season. Yeah, 1121 01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:00.479 And there's an interesting story here that I really want to into and I 1122 01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:06.119 couldn't find anything else about it about why she left. But what happened was 1123 01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:10.960 there was the lead producer and head writer on the first season of Bewhich, 1124 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:14.199 who I think maybe it's somewhat credited for having a lot of you know, 1125 01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:17.000 obviously a lot of creative input and how the show came out was a guy 1126 01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:24.079 named Danny Arnold, and he left the show after the first season. And 1127 01:18:25.159 --> 01:18:29.479 the unofficial story is that Irene Vernon then, who played the wife of Larry 1128 01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:32.960 Tate, was fired because she was close friends with Danny Arnold, and I 1129 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:36.680 think there was whatever reason he left was not was bad blood or something, 1130 01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:45.399 and she was kind of asked to leave the series by Montgomery and Asher and 1131 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:48.399 was kind of forced out, although I think the official thing was that she 1132 01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:50.960 was she needed to take time off to take care of her husband who was 1133 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:57.279 sick. So and Danny Arnold, the writer and producer the left. He 1134 01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:00.520 went on a decade later. He had a long storied career. I think 1135 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:04.319 he got the WGA Lifetime Achievement Award in nineteen eighty five. He created the 1136 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:09.199 Barney Miller series eight years later, so he had a huge but he was 1137 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.479 apparently a very difficult, kind of a difficult person to work with. I 1138 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.520 think the word determined bipolar was dropped him one of the things I was reading 1139 01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:18.359 about him. So I'm really fascinated. I would love to know the inside 1140 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:24.640 story of why Danny Arnold left and how that also led Irene Vernon having to 1141 01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:27.760 also leave after that. Yeah, first season, and at that point though 1142 01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:30.000 it was probably it was just a stupid show. Nobody knew anything about it. 1143 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:33.279 You know, it was only on for one year so at that point, 1144 01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:36.239 so I mean I'm not dismissing that, but it's like, well, 1145 01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:40.640 you know, you're not welcome here anymore, or you can stay and we'll 1146 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:44.960 make your life really miserable. You know, they might have been invited, 1147 01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:47.119 if she might have been invited to leave, or may have left on her 1148 01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:51.520 own volition. But and then we got the lovely Casey Rogers. Yes, 1149 01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:57.399 so Irene Vernon passed away on April twenty first, nineteen ninety eight. She 1150 01:19:57.479 --> 01:20:03.039 was seventy six from congestive heart failure and coronary artery disease. M So rest 1151 01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:05.960 in peace, I mean, and yes, she was replaced in the same 1152 01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:11.359 role by Casey Rodgers, who took over the part of Larry Tate's wife and 1153 01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:13.720 ran and had that totally you know for the rest of the run of the 1154 01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:18.159 series. Yeah, yeah, she was well. Thus the portrait behind me 1155 01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:25.720 this is from one of the episodes of which it was. It was an 1156 01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:30.920 episode where and Dora put a curse on Darren. That or no, Samantha 1157 01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:32.399 was wanted to be an artist. No, Darren wanted to be an artist. 1158 01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:35.800 I think it was anyway, Darren painted a portrait of Louise Tate. 1159 01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:41.239 It was actually and Dora that made it look really good, and Larry Tate 1160 01:20:41.319 --> 01:20:44.520 saw it and brought his wife over to see it in the meantime, and 1161 01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:46.840 Doris switched it over to this one, so it was it's called the Goofy 1162 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:51.359 Louise Tate uh and uh and so I had this one made for Troy a 1163 01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:57.760 couple of years ago for Christmas. So it actually does have a proper place 1164 01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:00.079 of honor in our home. We know, it's not like stuck away somewhere. 1165 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:04.279 It's featured. So if you're not, if you're if you're not watching 1166 01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:09.319 the video version for this episode, Scott has had this painting on display over 1167 01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:15.560 his shoulder. Um, and it is a very wonky looking Louise Tate with 1168 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:21.039 the cross eyes and the funky teeth and yeah, goofy Louis. Where do 1169 01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:26.159 you have it on display in your house? Well, it's in their family 1170 01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:31.079 room, so you know the rumpest rooms. Yes, So if you're coming 1171 01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:35.880 off the patio, that's the painting is heading straight and looking right at you. 1172 01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:43.760 So well one of the eyes is yeah. Yeah. Her stage name 1173 01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:46.760 because Casey Rogers is not her birth name. She was born Josie Rogers. 1174 01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:49.600 Her stage name was because I guess as a kid she was good at baseball, 1175 01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:53.520 so the kids started calling her Casey, you know, for the Casey 1176 01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:57.920 at the Bat poem. And later on a manager you know, recommended that 1177 01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:00.479 she you know, changed the sea to a K and go by Casey Rogers. 1178 01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:03.520 So that's what she did. And I remember she was she started because 1179 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:10.000 when she started, she wanted to look like the original one. And she 1180 01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:14.319 was wearing a black wig for a long time and then Asher said, what 1181 01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:15.920 are you wearing that wig for? She said, well, you told me 1182 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.119 too. He goes, no, no, do what you you know, 1183 01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:21.560 just look normal. So she left. She put the took the wig off 1184 01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:25.279 after that. But yeah, it was like a Serena wig. I mean 1185 01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:29.119 it was really dark and it didn't look you know, but sixties wigs never 1186 01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:32.439 did look good and uh and uh yeah, so she went natural. For 1187 01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:35.720 the last couple of years of Bewitched. You know, Luise Tate was not 1188 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:41.640 a huge character. You know, she was the wife of a side character 1189 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:45.960 basically right right right, But you know, after everyone dropped dead, it 1190 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:50.560 was you know, her, Casey Rogers and Bernard Fox. She played Doctor 1191 01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:55.840 Bombay and Sandra Could played We're going to talk about these others that we're doing 1192 01:22:55.880 --> 01:23:00.039 the conventions. Same with Aaron Murphy doing all the Bewitch conventions, so it 1193 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:03.520 was kind of She also wrote several books on cooking and crafting, and I 1194 01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:06.880 think one of them was called the Bewitched Cookbook Magic in the Kitchen. So 1195 01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:13.319 there you go, there you are. Don't don't quit the hit. You 1196 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:16.039 get some milk out of that turn up or whatever the hell expression is. 1197 01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:20.199 You know, but well, in the seventies, was an early proponent of 1198 01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:26.880 female motocross racing, which I thought was interesting and founded a founded uh that 1199 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:32.920 organization? She was found an organization for female motorcycle racers. Wow, yep, 1200 01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:42.079 who knew? Who knew that? Wikipedia? Wikipedia? Somebody told me. 1201 01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:45.720 Somebody said that they went up to her at an autograph show. A 1202 01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.760 friend of might told me this and said to Casey Rogers, you are the 1203 01:23:49.880 --> 01:24:02.640 glue that held that show together. And she was like, thanks, that 1204 01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:05.119 sounds so terrible. It's not so mean. I mean, she was she 1205 01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:09.800 was people's best friend and stuff like that. So she was very into cooking 1206 01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:12.600 and crafting, and she actually tried to get a crafting show going at one 1207 01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:14.880 point that never got took off. I don't know what that was going to 1208 01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:16.079 be. But she should have been a hit on YouTube, you know, 1209 01:24:16.319 --> 01:24:23.560 really totally yeah. But unfortunately she passed away on July sixth, two thousand 1210 01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:27.760 and six. She was eighty. She died from a stroke and I be 1211 01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:31.359 theere She's at Forest Lawn, Hollywood Hills. Oh God, what is it 1212 01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:34.159 now? It's just it started coming to me now I should know this. 1213 01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:38.680 I should know this aff time. And there was an episode of a show. 1214 01:24:39.239 --> 01:24:42.119 Gosh, I should I should be researching a train now. At the 1215 01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:45.960 end of the show whatever it was, Casey Rogers and Bernard Fox, who 1216 01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:49.000 were the only characters that were left from Bewitched at that point, blew up 1217 01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:53.319 the Bewitched house at the end of some show. God, what was this? 1218 01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:55.840 I got to look it up right now, but it happened. We're 1219 01:24:55.880 --> 01:25:02.399 looking things up live people. I want to buy that Bewitched cookbook now I 1220 01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:05.640 cook you know what I have it, I'll give it to you. Oh 1221 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:09.560 I would love that. I would love I would love to exchange it. 1222 01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:15.000 Yes, So an episode of Home Improvement, Casey Rogers, Sandrac Goold and 1223 01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:18.760 Um and Bernard Fox blew up the Bewitched house. I mean didn't really do 1224 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:23.239 it, but they went to the back lot that weren't a ranch to the 1225 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:30.039 Bewitch set and much like you know it just they whatever movie magic, television 1226 01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:34.840 magic, blew up the Bewitched House. Um yeah, and you know the 1227 01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:40.720 Bewitched House is going to be torn down soon. You know, it's the 1228 01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:45.319 one in Santa Monica. No, no, the one, the TV one 1229 01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:49.600 that's on the war ranch. They it's where the Friends fountain wise and they've 1230 01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:55.640 they've moved the Friends Fountain now to the Warner Brothers down the street and all 1231 01:25:55.960 --> 01:26:00.039 that that whole street is going to be demolished for more sound stages. So 1232 01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:03.079 the Bewitched House, the idream of Genie House, the Partridge Family House, 1233 01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:06.880 which was also the Kravitz House, uh, and the stuff that was using 1234 01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:12.760 the music man and you know, just all these cool television houses, um 1235 01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:16.720 are all gonna be torn down now, which is very very sad. But 1236 01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:19.319 I wish I could have the Bewitched House. I got to do it one. 1237 01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:24.760 I got to drive through the lot, the back lot the Warner Ranch 1238 01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:29.600 in my car and pull up into the Bewitched driveway and get out and go 1239 01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:32.760 into the front door of the Bewitched house. It's like, I wish I 1240 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:35.479 would have got down video. But I do have a picture of my car 1241 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:41.560 in the Bewitched driveway, which was which was pretty cool. That's also yeah, 1242 01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:45.039 that's that's all gonna be torn down. But the address was eleven sixty 1243 01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:53.239 four Morning Glory Circle was the Bewitched address. There you go, Yeah, 1244 01:26:53.520 --> 01:27:01.640 you're like so. So Casey ros passed away on July sixth, two thousand 1245 01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:05.960 and six. She was eighty and it was a stroke and she is at 1246 01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:15.680 Forest Lawn, Hollywood Hills, allegedly RP Casey Rogers. So Alice Pierce played 1247 01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:20.840 the nosy neighbor Gladys Kravitz and I rewatched, you know, part of season 1248 01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:24.800 one again before we did this, and she was my favorite character. I 1249 01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:28.039 loved her. She's the nosy neighbor and she sees what's going on, but 1250 01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:30.720 nobody believes her, and she's treated like she's crazy, which I think is. 1251 01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:33.520 I think it's hilarious, the whole bits with her husband and everything, 1252 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:38.239 and I think it's I think it's one of them our entertaining parts of the 1253 01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:43.920 show. Interestingly, she opposed supposedly turned down the role of Grandmama in the 1254 01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:46.600 Adams family. Okay, I can see that. I can see a lot 1255 01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:53.000 of crossover back and forth of characters and actors, you know, a bunch 1256 01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:56.880 of Yeah, another one of those actors or actresses at a show up in 1257 01:27:56.880 --> 01:28:00.039 every single show at all, you know, of every sixties show. But 1258 01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:03.680 and what a face I mean. She she had the face for comedy, 1259 01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:06.880 you know what I mean? She the sour Lowe. Yeah, pulling those 1260 01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:12.399 expressions like like like crazy. She was. She was a great Gladys Kravit. 1261 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:15.960 She really was um. And she had a tragic story. She apparently 1262 01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:21.199 already knew that she had terminal cancer when she took the role before the first 1263 01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:25.640 season even filmed, and she kept it a secret. And she had ovarian 1264 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:30.079 cancer. And so she died about a year and a half into the show's 1265 01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:34.520 run on March third, nineteen sixty six. She was only forty eight years 1266 01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:42.359 old. And she won a posthumous Emmy two months after she died, And 1267 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:46.039 I thought this was interesting. Elizabeth Montgomery and her husband William Asher, gave 1268 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:50.279 her husband a job directing Bewitched after she died, because he had been a 1269 01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:55.279 director and it supposedly kind of put his career on hold, you know when 1270 01:28:55.279 --> 01:29:00.239 she got sick to kind of take care of her. Huh interesting, really 1271 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:04.319 nice if that's true. Yeah for sure. Wow, yeah, I didn't 1272 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:09.000 know that. Well, the actress died as as you just said. And 1273 01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:12.680 then for a few episodes they were they didn't they didn't know what to do 1274 01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:16.000 with it with the character, so they brought in this Mary Grace Canfield, 1275 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:24.560 who was another sixties staple who to play Abner kravitz sister for a few episodes 1276 01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:29.479 until they decided to replace the character with a new missus Kravitz. So it 1277 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:31.399 wasn't for very many episodes that she was in there, but then she became 1278 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:35.199 famous for being Ralph on Green Acres one at the Handyman Ralph and Alf. 1279 01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:40.640 So yeah, and then they brought in Saunder Gould, who was again one 1280 01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:44.720 of those people that was in a billion different things during Mcgeenie, I Love 1281 01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:49.399 Lucy, also the ghost of Mister Chicken, and and she well, they 1282 01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:55.960 say that Alice Ghostly was offered the role of missus Kravitz. First, Alice 1283 01:29:55.960 --> 01:30:00.199 Ghostly, who ended up playing as Morelda the Maid. So here's what's weird. 1284 01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:06.920 Alice Ghostly, who played Esmeralda The Maid originally played the Tate's maid next 1285 01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:13.039 Door I'm Bewitched, So Alice Ghostly was turned down the role of Gladys. 1286 01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:17.640 Kravitz took the role of the maid from the Larry Larry and Louise Tate. 1287 01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:27.920 And then when Marian Lorne, who played Aunt Clara, died on the show, 1288 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:31.319 then Alice Ghostly was given the part of Esmeralda to basically be the same 1289 01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:36.039 character. It's confusing because they're all interchangeable. So and so was offered this 1290 01:30:36.159 --> 01:30:40.319 role, turned it down, ended up getting this role. This one died, 1291 01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:43.119 We're bringing in this one, you know. It was like chess pieces. 1292 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:47.239 But Sandra goold God. I ran into her at one of those autograph 1293 01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:53.760 shows and she was just cramming a subway sandwich in her face and just cramming 1294 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.720 in her face. I started talking to her and I told her what I 1295 01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:00.079 did, and she started spitting at me, like Howking music because he usually 1296 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:03.840 have me on your tour as a guest. And it was like this spraying 1297 01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:12.680 subway sandwich all over me. Nice lady, don't get me wrong, but 1298 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:15.600 those things are so bizarre. I mean, those autograph shows are great. 1299 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:18.520 I mean I went in one and the chicken plates snow white. Adriana Casolatti 1300 01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:21.039 was, you know, smoking a cigarette in the bathroom, you know, 1301 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:26.960 eating and it's like, you know this. I helped Kevin McCarthy like pee 1302 01:31:27.079 --> 01:31:30.640 once because he couldn't get around very well. This is a guy that it 1303 01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:32.920 was invasion of the body snatchers. He was in the accident with Montgomery Clift 1304 01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:36.960 and and Kevin McCarthy, and I was helping him pee. Because that sounds 1305 01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:40.239 so nice. I don't mean that to be mean. I don't. It's 1306 01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:44.239 just these are the situations you end up in in Los Angeles. The weirdest 1307 01:31:44.279 --> 01:31:45.600 things happened to you, and you're gonna go You're not gonna believe what just 1308 01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:49.600 happened to me. And I know who is your co host in Hollywood Death 1309 01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:56.680 Trip? Hello Haaris. Yeah. She talked about going to them and how 1310 01:31:56.760 --> 01:32:00.399 she her shoulder always smells like bo after every one of them because she's tiny, 1311 01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:04.119 she's short, and everybody puts their arm around her shoulder and she ends 1312 01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:08.880 up with all it's like a hundred armpits on her shoulder. That's right. 1313 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:15.000 She said she has special convention clothes because because yeah, people are always touching 1314 01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:18.239 you and yeah she was such a tiny girl. Yeah, that's funny. 1315 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:23.479 But I love those conventions. I love those conventions. God, I got 1316 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:27.279 to talk to so many amazing people. I mean, Casey Rogers and Bernard 1317 01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:30.319 Fox and Sandra Gold and all these people, you know, the guy Jan 1318 01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:33.880 from Jan and Dean and I've met so many cool people at these places. 1319 01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:39.119 It's so neat anyway. Yeah, and I mean I met I met Lana 1320 01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:44.560 Clarkson at one right before she was d by Phil Smith. Yeah, it's 1321 01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:47.960 crazy, Well we should you doing? What was it for? We? 1322 01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:51.359 Um? She was at a convention down by Lax And it was right after 1323 01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:54.720 I'd moved to La. I hadn't been her for very long, and I 1324 01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:59.760 was I was working on a micro budget vampire movie that never got finished, 1325 01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:04.239 and at one point they needed just a scream queen day player bit part and 1326 01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:08.680 they knew about her, and so me and one of the producers went to 1327 01:33:08.720 --> 01:33:11.760 this convention and met with her and gave her the script and talked to her. 1328 01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:15.199 She's very nice, shook the script and she apparently was interested. And 1329 01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:17.560 then, um, we didn't hear from her, and I'm the producer is 1330 01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:21.319 getting kind of upset that she wasn't calling us peck. He had seen the 1331 01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:25.560 news and then he called me in a panic. He was at the grocery 1332 01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:30.199 store and he saw the story and like a magazine or in a newspaper there 1333 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:34.600 and realized that she was who Phil Spector had murdered. And he's like, 1334 01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:39.359 oh my gosh, somebody's got the lost footage. So the last footage of 1335 01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:43.199 a lone of Clarkson is still can well she never she never shot it. 1336 01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:46.199 Oh okay. That was why he was upset, because she seemed interested. 1337 01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:48.159 And then we never heard from her again, and we're trying to put her 1338 01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:50.800 at like, trying to schedule her to come in and do the scene. 1339 01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:55.239 And yeah, that's how her I remembered. Anyways, this was, you 1340 01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:58.399 know, twenty years ago, but that's how I remember it unfolding in so 1341 01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:04.720 um okay. So Sounder Gold died following heart surgery after a stroke on July 1342 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:10.479 twentieth, nineteen ninety nine. She was eighty three years old. Now. 1343 01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:15.600 Her husband, Abner Kravitz, was played by George Tobias, and George Tobias 1344 01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:21.720 was in Buy Cheat Sheets here, but he was in he was in Mildred 1345 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:27.520 Pierce. He was in the original Hunchback of Notre Damn. Not a featured 1346 01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:29.760 person, you know, just one of those people. He was in Yankee 1347 01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:34.239 Doodle Dandy with Jimmy Cagney. He was in the glass Bottom Boat Door's Day 1348 01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:38.880 movie in Tora Tora Tora. I mean, these are classic movies. But 1349 01:34:39.239 --> 01:34:45.199 everyone knows him as Abner Kravitz from from Bewitched, and he did um After 1350 01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:48.039 Bewitch went off the air in nineteen seventy seven, there was a series for 1351 01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:55.359 like one year called Tabitha, and as as guests on Tabitha, both George 1352 01:34:55.399 --> 01:34:59.840 Tobias and Sandra gool played Kravitz's on one of the episodes, which is kind 1353 01:34:59.880 --> 01:35:04.720 of kind of neat that they did that, But he himself is interesting. 1354 01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:11.039 He died of bladder cancer back in nineteen eighty I think it was, but 1355 01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:15.760 I know the guy who who picked his body up at Cedars and he had 1356 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:19.000 him in not a Hurst but in a station wagon and they were taking George 1357 01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:24.359 Tobias to the mortuary and they got into a car accident right at the corner 1358 01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:28.680 of Sierra Bonita and Sunset, which is where they where Lady Gaga's dog got 1359 01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:31.239 you know, died, his kidnapped to put him. But so they got 1360 01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:38.000 into an accident with George Tobias in the back of the of the station wagon. 1361 01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:42.000 They got out, left the keys in it, and somebody stole the 1362 01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:45.479 station wagon with George Tobias's body in it, and they made it about two 1363 01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:50.359 blocks. So they got to Sierra Bonita and Franklin and realized what they did, 1364 01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:56.840 and they ditched. They ditched the station wagon with Abner Kravitz's body in 1365 01:35:56.880 --> 01:36:00.439 it, which is which is kind of fun, I think. So. 1366 01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:03.560 Yeah, George Tobias's body, you know, did not stop moving after he 1367 01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:09.439 died, and uh, but now he is. He's been buried in um 1368 01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:17.399 somewhere else. I am so tired. So he's buried somewhere else. I 1369 01:36:17.439 --> 01:36:24.760 don't know anyways, Rest in peace, Sandra Gold Gold and George Tobias and 1370 01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:29.840 George Tobias. Why not you got a bonus name in there. Marion Lauren 1371 01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:36.039 played Aunt Clara. Yeah, and I really wanted to mention this one because 1372 01:36:36.359 --> 01:36:43.800 it's very interesting. So Alice Pierce wins an Emmy for Best for Outstanding Performance 1373 01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:45.199 by an Actress in the Supporting Role in Comedy. She wins it, you 1374 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:51.000 know, posthumously two months after she dies. And then Marian Lauren has a 1375 01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:56.399 heart attack in nineteen sixty eight at the age of eighty four while still doing 1376 01:36:56.680 --> 01:37:00.720 playing the character of Aunt Clara, and ten days after she dies, she 1377 01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:04.640 wins an Outstanding Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role in a Comedy Emmy, 1378 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:10.119 the same award. Yeah, both won posthumously for the same show. 1379 01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:15.279 I can't imagine that that's ever happened before. That's got to be a one 1380 01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:18.479 and only. Yeah, they had a hell of a cast, though, 1381 01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:21.279 you know, and there were so many people going here and there, and 1382 01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:25.119 you know, I mean all those there were a hell of a lot of 1383 01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:28.880 nominations on that show, you know, I think of a lot. So 1384 01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:31.680 but yeah, and Mary and Lauren was so wonderful as Aunt Clara. I 1385 01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:35.319 mean she was just you know what they would say now, they'd say she 1386 01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:39.560 has Alzheimer's or something, you know, because I mean, you know, 1387 01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:44.199 she was always forgetting things, I always screwing up her spells and everything. 1388 01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:48.119 But but she's so beloved and she was in her she made her I think 1389 01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:55.319 she made her her film debut and Strangers on a Train the Hitchcock movie first 1390 01:37:55.399 --> 01:37:59.880 movie, and I think the last appearance that she did was in The Graduate 1391 01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:03.239 and she had a scene with Alice Ghostly, who was as Marilda. They're 1392 01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:05.960 like party. I think they were like party guests in the hotel or something 1393 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:13.520 like that. Probably it's been many years since I've seen that movie to I 1394 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:18.199 have to revisit that one. And but she and in real life collected door 1395 01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:23.920 knobs and she would bring them on the set and they would they wrote it 1396 01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:28.359 into the character that she collected door knobs. And Aaron Murphy, the Tabitha 1397 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:32.439 woman told me that Marian Lore gave her a door knob and I'm like, 1398 01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:34.520 really, can you bring it? Because she spoke at one of my events. 1399 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:36.560 She goes, oh, I don't know, I lost it somewhere. 1400 01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:45.520 I'm like, how do these people? How can you have one of Mary 1401 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:48.680 and Lauren's door knobs and nuts still have it? I don't understand people. 1402 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:54.119 That thing would be like on a velvet pillow, you know, with a 1403 01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:59.279 single Like makes me crazy, how can you not have that? But anyway, 1404 01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:04.760 so she was I think she was in twenty twenty seven episodes. I 1405 01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:10.840 think that's a which a significant that's a lot of episodes and uh and uh 1406 01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:13.760 yeah, because she was when she passed away, it was no mention of 1407 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:17.560 it on the show whatsoever. And next up came as Morelda, the other 1408 01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:24.800 sort of forgetful screwing up spells all the time made. And Mary and Lauren 1409 01:39:24.920 --> 01:39:28.920 died on May ninth, nineteen sixty eight. She was eighty four years old, 1410 01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:34.079 and she's buried in Ferncliff Cemetery in New York State. Oh that's a 1411 01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:38.760 nice name for a cemetery. There there's a road down the down not too 1412 01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:41.720 far from me called maryon Lane, and I keep saying it's Mary and Lauren 1413 01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:46.880 because I liked her so much that you should alter the sign Mary and Lauren 1414 01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:49.720 Street, and they would have that out here. See so I love they 1415 01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:54.600 have like Ginger Rogers Road, Bob Hope. I live right off Frank Sinatra. 1416 01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:59.479 There's Dean Martin down this street. It's such a such a buddy Rogers 1417 01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:03.079 and mont Hall, the police departments on Monty Hall. I love that, 1418 01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:10.800 such a bizarre place. But and then so then after Mary and Lauren came 1419 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:17.359 Alice Ghostly, who was Asmeralda the Maid, who was um also famous for 1420 01:40:17.399 --> 01:40:23.319 being on Designing Women, which is a hilarious show that she again sort of 1421 01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:27.560 played the als Merelda character a bit more wacky, bit more of a sex 1422 01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:31.720 fiend in a way, but innocently so, and a very funny, very 1423 01:40:31.720 --> 01:40:38.640 funny lady. So Alice Ghostly funny enough when I did when I first moved 1424 01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:42.239 to la in ninety four and I was doing the grave Line tour, a 1425 01:40:42.319 --> 01:40:46.119 group of women rented our tour and um and she it was her. I'm 1426 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:49.800 like, I turned around, like why you and she goes, oh, 1427 01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:53.520 yeah, and we you know, it was like it was really cool because 1428 01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:57.039 her sister was there too, and I mean I maintained communication with her sister, 1429 01:40:57.119 --> 01:41:00.279 Alice after Alice Ghostly died. But but it was just the weirdest thing 1430 01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:02.920 because you know, she did say, well, you know, what's she 1431 01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:05.560 gonna say, I'm Alice Ghostly. It was just a bunch of girls, 1432 01:41:05.640 --> 01:41:09.680 women that rented my bot and she was one of them. And she wouldn't 1433 01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:13.079 take a picture with the hers unfortunately, that would have been really good. 1434 01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:17.680 But she's the one that told me about Larry Tate's son dying in Lockerbie back 1435 01:41:17.720 --> 01:41:23.880 in the early nineties, so I think but she Also, it's kind of 1436 01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:28.680 interesting. So Alice Ghostly after Bewitched was over with, she ended up in 1437 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:30.800 a lot of different shows. She shouldn't. She ended up on Designing Women, 1438 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:35.239 And the guy who plays Anthony on Designing Women, his name was me 1439 01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:39.840 Shock Taylor. I think I got to talk to him in one of these 1440 01:41:39.880 --> 01:41:45.319 autograph shows and I started asking him about Alice Ghostly and he said that Alice 1441 01:41:45.319 --> 01:41:48.960 Ghostly was a scream He says, they would be She would say something and 1442 01:41:49.119 --> 01:41:53.479 everyone in the cast would just start cracking up, and Alice Ghostly would be 1443 01:41:53.479 --> 01:41:56.359 like, what the fuck are you laughing about? You know, like like 1444 01:41:56.479 --> 01:42:01.359 very deadpan. It's a really good sense of humor. And also Paul Lynde 1445 01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:09.760 and Alice Ghostly were friends. And what I've come to learn is that Alice 1446 01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:15.840 Ghostly was that original character that Paulin sort of took that kind of you know, 1447 01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:20.319 had had a sort of tone of voice that Paul Lynn sort of lifted 1448 01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:24.720 from Alice Ghostly. Alice. You know, everyone thinks Alice Goostly is like 1449 01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:28.319 the female paul nn, but actually it's it's vice versa. Paulin sort of 1450 01:42:28.479 --> 01:42:33.359 took Alice Ghostly's persona and went with it um and it's sort of interesting. 1451 01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:36.880 But Alice Ghostly was always very polite about that. But I did ask her 1452 01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:42.199 about Agnes Moorehead being a lesbian and all she said was, oh, I 1453 01:42:42.279 --> 01:42:47.119 heard that too. And I did show her from death but they got Yeah. 1454 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:50.560 I did show her Paul Lynn's death house too. She didn't give me 1455 01:42:50.600 --> 01:42:54.399 anything on Paulin. That would have been kind of cool to get more out 1456 01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:57.399 more on that, but it was cool to have her in the back of 1457 01:42:57.439 --> 01:42:59.359 my car. I wish I would have got a picture, but I did 1458 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:03.520 have an autograph that she did sign Best Witches Alice Ghostly, which I can't 1459 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:08.159 believe her name was Ghostly and she wouldn't take a picture with the hearse thank 1460 01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:14.039 you. I'm with you, Scott. Yeah. And she when she died, 1461 01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:16.960 it was in two thousand and seven. She was eighty four years old, 1462 01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:21.640 and she was cremated and her remains were buried in her backyard with her 1463 01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:27.640 husband under an orange tree for a long time, and then when the house 1464 01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:30.600 was sold, I guess, thankfully. I think they were in urns. 1465 01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:32.840 They dug him up and took him back east, and I think they're buried 1466 01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:38.479 in Ohio. Too, but but she's actually and her sister now who who 1467 01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:42.560 I was acquaintances with, is buried there with her. But she, you 1468 01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:46.479 know, just another one of those great old sixties character actresses and rest in 1469 01:43:46.479 --> 01:43:50.880 peace, Alice Ghostly, So that I mean naturally leads us to Paul Lynde, 1470 01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:58.039 another classic sixties actor. He was He went to Northwestern University. His 1471 01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:03.960 classmates were Chloris Leech and Charlotte Ray and um and uh, Jeffrey Hunter, 1472 01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:10.000 Patrician Neil and he was. There was a show called The New Faces of 1473 01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:15.119 nineteen fifty two on Broadway, and this thing launched like some major characters, 1474 01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:18.520 and Paulin was part of that, along with Earth the Kit and Alice Ghostly 1475 01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:25.479 and Uh. Eventually Paulin got the part of mister McAfee and by by Bertie 1476 01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:30.159 on Broadway, and then that brought him sort of to more national attention, 1477 01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:32.560 and he started getting parts on television and he was one of those that spending 1478 01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:36.840 a billion different things amunsters and a lot, and he was in Son of 1479 01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:42.399 Flumber Flubber, Son of Flubber, Beach, Blanket, Bengo, Bill Asher 1480 01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:46.279 and Uh, and that's probably how he got to the attention of William Asher 1481 01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:49.720 to hire him to be Uncle Arthur, but he was first on Bee which 1482 01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:55.279 as a driving instructor, not as Uncle Arthur. But they liked him and 1483 01:44:55.319 --> 01:44:57.520 they brought him back, so he was. He was one that was an 1484 01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:04.039 only I think ten episodes as Uncle Lar but again a classic actor that's almost 1485 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:11.279 synonymous with Bewitched, even though he wasn't in that many wow. Oh and 1486 01:45:11.399 --> 01:45:16.640 also Templeton in Charlotte's Webb he was a porch Templeton and you know Templeton, 1487 01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:21.239 the rat, you know the Yeah, Agnes moorehead was the goose. He 1488 01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:27.479 was. And he had this amazing Holly Halloween special which is on YouTube, 1489 01:45:27.520 --> 01:45:33.399 the Paul Lynde Halloween Special with Margaret Hamilton as a witch and it's I mean, 1490 01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:36.920 she does the whole wicked witch thing. And that was in nineteen seventy 1491 01:45:36.920 --> 01:45:41.560 six. Billy Hayes who was Witchy Poo on Puff and Stuff and Donnie and 1492 01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:45.600 Marie were on that show as well. And an interesting story. He was 1493 01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:50.079 a drinker, heavy drinker, nasty, nasty drinker, like he would turn. 1494 01:45:50.119 --> 01:45:54.520 They said he was fine up until about four drinks and he would turn. 1495 01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:58.079 But there was an incident that happened with him in New York that it 1496 01:45:58.159 --> 01:46:01.920 was a nineteen sixty five I think that he was partying or partying with some 1497 01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:05.920 kid, twenty four year old guy. All of us said they were he 1498 01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:10.800 They were horsing around, was the quote, and drinking a lot, and 1499 01:46:11.279 --> 01:46:15.359 it was San Francisco. Actually fell off this kid fell off the eighth floor 1500 01:46:15.399 --> 01:46:18.439 of a balcony of this hotel in San Francisco. So that kind of was 1501 01:46:18.479 --> 01:46:25.199 a who knows what really happened, but you know, they were drinkers big 1502 01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:28.319 time. And also, you know, paulnn was gay, and it was 1503 01:46:28.359 --> 01:46:32.840 at a time where he hardly hit his homosexuality, but it probably hindered his 1504 01:46:34.439 --> 01:46:40.159 choices as far as work goes, which is why he was on the Hollywood 1505 01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:44.239 Squares as much as he was, and resented that too because it sort of 1506 01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:48.399 pigeonholed him literally the Center Square. Did you ever watch his show, the 1507 01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:54.000 Paul Inn Show, Oh, the sitcom? Yeah? What was the set 1508 01:46:54.079 --> 01:46:56.880 up for it? I don't even know. Well, it was probably just 1509 01:46:56.920 --> 01:47:01.279 a father you know, I remember there were kids, right, but sitcom? 1510 01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:06.079 Yeah, I think it was basically just that, probably going on the 1511 01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:10.840 Byebye Birdie thing too, which which fished him off when he was made when 1512 01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:13.560 he was in the Bybye Birdie film, because he was supposed to be the 1513 01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:16.720 star of it, well the yeah, basically the star of it. But 1514 01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:19.600 Anne Margaret, it was her first movie, and he was like, well, 1515 01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:24.199 I was the big cheese on Broadway. Uh, you know, although 1516 01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:26.920 Dick van Dyck was a title, it was a star. But I mean 1517 01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:30.560 Paul Lynn was going to be the big deal. And then it became introducing 1518 01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:33.039 Anne Margaret and Paul Lynn kind of added ship on his shoulder about that too. 1519 01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:39.039 But um, but he was say he was a legendary drinker. And 1520 01:47:39.199 --> 01:47:44.159 he passed away on January tenth, nineteen eighty two. It's fifty five years 1521 01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:46.000 old. Had a heart attack in his sleep, I think, was the 1522 01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:49.720 official ruling. Yeah, a lot of rumors about his death. A lot 1523 01:47:49.760 --> 01:47:53.840 of people think that say that he was doing poppers with a with a male 1524 01:47:53.920 --> 01:47:59.720 prostitute, and that was always yeah, and he had a heart attack after 1525 01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:02.159 that. But it turns out that he was good friends with Paul Barisi, 1526 01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:10.159 who was the detective. But Paul Barisi was friends with Paul Lynde and Paul 1527 01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:15.800 Barresi is the one who found Paul Lynn's body. And they always say that, 1528 01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:17.560 you know, somebody was with Paul Lynde when he died, but that's 1529 01:48:17.640 --> 01:48:23.439 not he said that. Paul Barisi said that the house was locked and alarmed, 1530 01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:26.439 and when he broke into the house, the alarm went off. So 1531 01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:30.039 and it was when Paul Lynn like didn't show up for a birthday party or 1532 01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:31.159 something, I think, yeah, I went over to check on him. 1533 01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:34.920 Yeah, yeah, but yeah, he was a Facebook friend of mine, 1534 01:48:34.960 --> 01:48:40.079 Paul Barsi, Barisi for a while. There's a rabbit hole. Look up 1535 01:48:40.319 --> 01:48:45.159 Paul Barresi and John Chavolta. That'll get you busy for a while. So 1536 01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:49.640 just a couple of other characters that I wanted to talk about. One of 1537 01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:55.000 them was Bernard Fox, who played Doctor Bombay. He was in I believe 1538 01:48:55.119 --> 01:48:59.279 he was in nineteen episodes with a total of twenty nine costume changes. He 1539 01:48:59.319 --> 01:49:02.319 was a very famously you know, calling Doctor Bombay, calling Doctor Bombay, 1540 01:49:02.359 --> 01:49:05.520 emergency, come right away, and he would show up in scuba gear or 1541 01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:11.239 you know, skiing with a beautiful woman on his side and U and he 1542 01:49:11.319 --> 01:49:15.439 was also he did an episode of that Tabitha show as well, so that 1543 01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:19.359 you had the Kravitz as well, and he was born in Wales, Port 1544 01:49:19.399 --> 01:49:23.760 Talbot, Wales, which is where peg End Twistles from who jumped up the 1545 01:49:23.800 --> 01:49:28.239 Hollywood Sign. And also Anthony Hopkins is from Port Talbot, Wales. It's 1546 01:49:28.279 --> 01:49:32.359 a little tiny town and I think Shirley Bassi's from there too, and he 1547 01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:39.000 is. Bernard Fox was in the movie Titanic, the Big One with Leonardo 1548 01:49:39.039 --> 01:49:44.279 DiCaprio, but he was also in the first one, A Night to Remember, 1549 01:49:44.399 --> 01:49:46.079 in nineteen fifty eight, where he played the guy in the Crow's nest 1550 01:49:46.119 --> 01:49:50.760 saying Iceberg right ahead. So Bernard Fox was in A Night to Remember and 1551 01:49:51.039 --> 01:49:56.159 in Titanic, which is kind of an interesting bit of trivia that he was 1552 01:49:56.199 --> 01:50:00.560 in both the major Titanic movies. And an asked away on December fourteen, 1553 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:08.600 twenty sixteen, at the age of eighty nine years old. A quick mention 1554 01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:14.399 of Mabel Anderson, who played the mother Darren's mother, Phyllis Stevens, who 1555 01:50:14.439 --> 01:50:17.600 always had a sick headache, and she was the neurotic one that kind of 1556 01:50:17.600 --> 01:50:23.680 had the idea that Samantha was a witch and was never she would see stuff 1557 01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:29.479 kind of like like Sandra Goldwood or Alice Pears as the Alice as the Gladys 1558 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:34.600 Kravitz character. She was the sister of Jack Albertson who was Willy Wonka, 1559 01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:42.720 Grandpa Joe Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. And she was also in Barefoot 1560 01:50:42.720 --> 01:50:44.960 in the Park. She was on What's Up, Doc. She was and 1561 01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:49.960 also one of those make Room for Daddy Gunsmoke Andy Griffith's show A Billion things 1562 01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:54.079 like that, and she died in September twenty eight, nineteen eighty two, 1563 01:50:54.760 --> 01:51:01.880 complications from Alzheimer's. And then Maurice Evans who played Urice and Dora's ex husband, 1564 01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:09.079 Samantha's father who he was also in The Tabitha Show with Lisa Hartman. 1565 01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:15.079 He was in Rosemary's Baby. He played a warlock in Rosemary's Baby as well. 1566 01:51:15.680 --> 01:51:19.479 Maurice Evans died on March nineteen eighty nine at the age of eighty seven. 1567 01:51:20.319 --> 01:51:28.119 Another accomplished like as in John Gielgood actor classic British actor that is best 1568 01:51:28.159 --> 01:51:34.600 known for being on Bewitched for twelve episodes at least two American audiences. And 1569 01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:40.079 then I think that's what I have as far as the actors from b which 1570 01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:43.960 I think that's pretty much all of them. I wanted to talk quickly about 1571 01:51:45.319 --> 01:51:47.800 one of the artifacts that we have in our museum. So Liz Sheridan, 1572 01:51:47.960 --> 01:51:53.600 who was in this relationship with James Dean for a year, which is significant. 1573 01:51:54.199 --> 01:51:59.000 Her nickname was Dizzy Sheridan. She was also signed I think Jerry Seinfeld's 1574 01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:03.800 mother on Seinfeld who Liz Sheard and was a regular on SEINFELDT. And when 1575 01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:12.760 Elizabeth Montgomery died, Liz Sheridan got this wicker sete and now it's mine. 1576 01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:15.680 It ended up in our museum, and it was kind of funny because I 1577 01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:19.479 did that short YouTube series with Aaron Murphy who played Tabitha, and we did 1578 01:52:19.560 --> 01:52:26.680 it sitting on Elizabeth Montgomery's settee, which is that's awesome. Yeah, yeahs. 1579 01:52:26.880 --> 01:52:31.039 I love those kind of like little poetic pieces of silliness. But and 1580 01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:36.039 we cannot finish this without about at least addressing for just a moment, the 1581 01:52:36.119 --> 01:52:45.399 Bewitched movie that was made Will Ferrell. Yeah, talk about a missed opportunity. 1582 01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:48.760 You know, we used to play, of course, we're gays is 1583 01:52:48.760 --> 01:52:51.439 what we do. We used to sit in bars and drink and cast a 1584 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:57.960 Bewitch movie just for conversation, and they and Nicole Kidman was always going to 1585 01:52:58.039 --> 01:53:02.560 be Samantha Steve. She's perfect choice. Now instead of Will Ferrell. For 1586 01:53:02.680 --> 01:53:05.760 Darren, we would have had Jim Carrey. I think he would have been 1587 01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:09.600 a very good Darren. Oh, he would have nailed it, You're right. 1588 01:53:10.439 --> 01:53:15.840 And for dra they had Joan Collins in the movie. No, no, 1589 01:53:16.039 --> 01:53:19.960 that Shirley McClain in the movie. But Joan Collins would have been perfect 1590 01:53:20.319 --> 01:53:25.159 as Endorra. Those would have been That was our dream. Our dream cast 1591 01:53:25.359 --> 01:53:29.359 was those. I think Michael Caine was fine as Maurice the Father, but 1592 01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:32.399 those those guys would have been good. But the whole show, I think 1593 01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:38.840 New York Times said it was that movie was an unmitigated disaster, and it's 1594 01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:42.239 a real shame because they had a lot of opportunity to be really special. 1595 01:53:42.720 --> 01:53:47.439 Yeah, it was just an uninspired script. I think. Yeah, yeah, 1596 01:53:47.439 --> 01:53:49.359 we remake a movie. I don't care, it doesn't matter to me. 1597 01:53:49.479 --> 01:53:54.720 That doesn't affect the original one as far as I'm concerned. But they 1598 01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:59.199 really missed the boat with that one. Yeah, it's unfortunate. But there 1599 01:53:59.239 --> 01:54:02.079 you are. Speaking of reboots. Did you see The West Side Story, 1600 01:54:02.159 --> 01:54:08.279 the new one? Did I see it? Yeah? No, Oh, 1601 01:54:08.319 --> 01:54:15.239 the Spielberg. Yeah, you can see it. No, No, I'm 1602 01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:17.359 not. I'm not into I'm not into the musicals so much, so I'm 1603 01:54:17.399 --> 01:54:19.760 not either. But because it was Spielberg and West Side Story, I was 1604 01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:23.520 in West Side Story in high school, so I had a connection. And 1605 01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:26.760 then the fact that the Spielberg and I did an amazing job on it. 1606 01:54:27.399 --> 01:54:29.720 That it's good, it's really good. But now I'm not a big musical 1607 01:54:29.720 --> 01:54:32.079 guy either. Anyways, I'll cut that out. You don't have to, 1608 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:38.560 because it's interesting, it's fascinating, Mike, I love talking about That's my 1609 01:54:38.640 --> 01:54:44.359 life. My conversations go nowhere. The last thing I guess we could talk 1610 01:54:44.399 --> 01:54:49.159 about, just briefly was is the the Children bewitch to two boys the Adam. 1611 01:54:49.319 --> 01:54:51.720 You know, it was sort of like the they would say jump the 1612 01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:55.960 shark, but be which was done. I think that last season, you 1613 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:59.159 know, before it started, it was like an obligation, We're just gonna 1614 01:54:59.199 --> 01:55:04.600 do this. That was like a financially motivated almost or or maybe a um 1615 01:55:05.479 --> 01:55:12.560 contractually obligated. And they did have the sun Adam and we're twin boys David 1616 01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:18.600 and Greg Lawrence who had turned out later were Tony Curtis's kids that that was 1617 01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:25.720 announced on some talk show that they they were The term illegitimate isn't politically correct 1618 01:55:25.800 --> 01:55:30.800 anymore, but they were a a product of an affair that Tony Curtis had, 1619 01:55:31.119 --> 01:55:35.720 these twin boys, and as far as I know, they're still alive. 1620 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:40.760 I haven't looked, but but yeah, well they are. I did 1621 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:45.760 look. They are alive. I would hope so there would think. You 1622 01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:49.560 know, we're talking about these Did you do you watch that WandaVision show? 1623 01:55:50.039 --> 01:55:53.920 You watch that? Yeah? It was amazing. Did you like it? 1624 01:55:53.960 --> 01:55:59.119 Really? I M I lost interest really quickly in it. I know it's 1625 01:55:59.119 --> 01:56:01.000 not for everybody, but it really if you get you gotta get through the 1626 01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:04.880 first three episodes. It gets more interesting as it goes. It expands beyond 1627 01:56:05.399 --> 01:56:10.119 the kind of limited black and white sitcom vibe at the beginning. It really 1628 01:56:10.159 --> 01:56:15.159 it goes through the eras really fast, through the decades of television quickly after 1629 01:56:15.159 --> 01:56:17.640 a certain point. Yeah, I thought, And they did do it like 1630 01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:23.159 an almost identical Bewitched episode, as I understand it. On one, like 1631 01:56:23.439 --> 01:56:27.640 they recreated the sets and everything. I think there's something like that. Yeah, 1632 01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:30.119 they did that in the few episodes that I watched they did that quite 1633 01:56:30.520 --> 01:56:34.039 I mean redoing the Dick van Dyke living room and stuff like that. That 1634 01:56:34.119 --> 01:56:39.159 was incredible. So the amount of detail that they put into these things is 1635 01:56:40.119 --> 01:56:44.039 really incredible. But uh, but yeah, I never saw that. I 1636 01:56:44.039 --> 01:56:47.199 didn't make it as far as the Bewitched one goes. Anyway, another another 1637 01:56:47.279 --> 01:56:53.159 episode down right, we did it. That's Bewitched, everybody. Yeah, 1638 01:56:53.439 --> 01:57:00.319 there's I think our podcast is probably longer than the entire season. Yeah, 1639 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:04.720 it was. You can watch, Um, you can buy seasons of Bewitched 1640 01:57:04.760 --> 01:57:10.399 on Amazon on I want to say maybe or on Paramount. Maybe through Amazon, 1641 01:57:10.439 --> 01:57:12.560 I can, I'm not exactly sure. Um, and I don't know 1642 01:57:12.560 --> 01:57:15.359 if it's streaming free anywhere, but you can definitely get it on Amazon if 1643 01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:20.439 you want to go back, and Bewitched movie pretty easily on Oh gosh, 1644 01:57:21.159 --> 01:57:25.439 yeah, I think you could actually get it for cheaper than you could buy 1645 01:57:25.439 --> 01:57:30.640 a season of which for sure. They It's interesting to watch these old shows 1646 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:32.159 too, because they're a product of their time, and you know, the 1647 01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:36.520 roles of husbands and wives that kind of old fashions, you know, the 1648 01:57:36.600 --> 01:57:41.520 housewife and cooking dinner for the husband and trying to know when he's going to 1649 01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:44.840 be home for it and all. It's interesting to watch them, and I 1650 01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:46.720 want to watch it. Um. I want to skip through some seasons and 1651 01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:49.760 get because you know, a lot happened in the world between nineteen sixty four 1652 01:57:49.760 --> 01:57:55.319 and nineteen seventy two when this show began and ended, and I would love 1653 01:57:55.359 --> 01:57:59.319 to go compare, you know, and contrast the last season with the first 1654 01:57:59.319 --> 01:58:04.199 season, just to see how things changed culturally. And you know, yeah, 1655 01:58:04.279 --> 01:58:08.800 yeah, it's interesting that first season when you see like and Dora coming 1656 01:58:08.840 --> 01:58:12.279 down and she's actually very you know, sort of conservative, and she became 1657 01:58:12.279 --> 01:58:14.520 this clown, you know, towards the end. I mean, I loved 1658 01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:16.359 it, but it's the way the crazy red hair and the you know, 1659 01:58:16.399 --> 01:58:19.680 the wild makeup, and she wasn't like that at the beginning. Yeah, 1660 01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:24.920 I went back and watched. Um, I watched I binged all of Cheers, 1661 01:58:26.199 --> 01:58:29.920 Oh my god, a couple of years ago, which I never really 1662 01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:30.800 watched it. I mean, I was a kid when that was on and 1663 01:58:30.840 --> 01:58:34.680 watching a you know, a show about adults hanging out in the bar wasn't 1664 01:58:34.720 --> 01:58:39.119 really my thing. But what was really interesting about it was that, you 1665 01:58:39.159 --> 01:58:42.840 know, Ted Danson's character, he's the lead character in it. He is 1666 01:58:42.960 --> 01:58:46.319 at the beginning of the run, he's a total womanizer, and so many 1667 01:58:46.319 --> 01:58:49.399 of the gags you know, on his character, his Sam Malone character. 1668 01:58:49.520 --> 01:58:55.760 You know, he's this ex baseball player womanizing guy. But as the show 1669 01:58:55.840 --> 01:59:00.880 progressed through the eighties and headed into the nineties, that went away, that 1670 01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:03.640 went away almost completely, and because it was no longer cool for him to 1671 01:59:03.680 --> 01:59:06.840 be, you know, a womanizer, and the misogynistic jokes went away, 1672 01:59:06.960 --> 01:59:11.600 and stuff that was funny in you know, nineteen eighty two or eighty three, 1673 01:59:11.960 --> 01:59:14.920 we're not funny anymore by you know, the late eighties. Yeah, 1674 01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:16.720 it's interesting out that more so I really want to watch I want to watch 1675 01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:19.960 Bewitched and these old shows like this that ran for a long time, just 1676 01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:25.319 to see how that how the dynamics changed and how the characters kind of altered. 1677 01:59:25.920 --> 01:59:28.920 Yeah, yeah, because I seem to recall, there was a couple 1678 01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:32.720 of uh yeah, it's very socially relevant episode just leave it at that, 1679 01:59:32.800 --> 01:59:38.560 and the very special episode as they would call it. Yeah, yeah, 1680 01:59:38.640 --> 01:59:42.840 yeah, the after school specials. But yeah, cool stuff. Which what 1681 01:59:42.880 --> 01:59:45.319 a great show it was and is still and it is still You could watch 1682 01:59:45.399 --> 01:59:48.680 it and it holds up. You know, Yeah, some shows just don't 1683 01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:54.000 and that one will always and the effects for being on a TV budget, 1684 01:59:54.039 --> 01:59:57.399 the effects that they had to do in every episode are not terrible. Yeah, 1685 01:59:57.439 --> 01:59:59.920 they're actually pretty cool. You know, she has to do a lot 1686 01:59:59.880 --> 02:00:01.680 of because you just do Witchcraft all the time. And actually there was some 1687 02:00:01.720 --> 02:00:05.159 pretty cutting edge effects for their time that they did with that UM stuff. 1688 02:00:05.159 --> 02:00:09.479 You know, we're compositing in like the Jack and the Beanstock one is a 1689 02:00:09.479 --> 02:00:14.319 good example where they have to show large people standing next to small people and 1690 02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:16.680 you know that was all done with the probably back then like blue screen, 1691 02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:20.560 yeah, green screen. But yeah, yeah, they did really good job. 1692 02:00:20.720 --> 02:00:25.960 The cut takes were a bit choppy, but it didn't matter because it 1693 02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:30.279 was it was. It was great. And also the way they masked them 1694 02:00:30.279 --> 02:00:35.159 with those explosions, when like major characters would show up with the smoke effects 1695 02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:39.159 and stuff like that, that was always so cool. But uh, and 1696 02:00:39.199 --> 02:00:45.039 the split screen with UM with Samantha and Serena is always really interesting to watch 1697 02:00:45.159 --> 02:00:48.720 closely because that's a that's a that's an interesting effect. I mean they did 1698 02:00:48.760 --> 02:00:51.880 that with two pieces of film, didn't they and spiced them together. I 1699 02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:55.600 mean that's that's what they would have had to do with the split screen, 1700 02:00:55.720 --> 02:00:59.840 right, I mean, yep, that's right. And uh so that's interesting. 1701 02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:04.359 Well, thanks everybody for joining us. Again, the world keeps getting 1702 02:01:04.359 --> 02:01:10.479 crazier, but we stay the same level, stame level. All the energy 1703 02:01:10.920 --> 02:01:16.720 that we started this show still that that day we started in El Coyote. 1704 02:01:17.079 --> 02:01:21.119 It's still still got the fire. Oh yeah, thank you so much. 1705 02:01:21.159 --> 02:01:25.840 So thank you guys for watching. Appreciate it. And Mike, it's always 1706 02:01:25.880 --> 02:01:29.199 a pleasure to spend time with you. You as well, Scott, and 1707 02:01:29.399 --> 02:01:31.720 again, check out um if you want. We always make these shows free, 1708 02:01:31.720 --> 02:01:34.800 but check out our Patreon if you want to throw a few bucks our 1709 02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:41.960 way. It's always appreciated. Then you get you get a freepison episode, 1710 02:01:42.560 --> 02:01:44.960 that's right, and no one else gets. So yeah, that's right. 1711 02:01:45.560 --> 02:01:47.800 Um, So thanks and again everybody for joining us, and we'll see you 1712 02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:58.119 on the next one. Until next time, Danner Natter. This has been 1713 02:01:58.159 --> 02:02:03.760 an episode of the Dearly Department podcast. Dig up more episodes at Dearly departedpod 1714 02:02:03.920 --> 02:02:10.239 dot com and on iTunes and Google Play. See you next time.