WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:10.080 Maybe Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the 2 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:16.239 UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's 3 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:25.800 your host, Alejandro Roja or La me Migo sit is I Alejandro Rojas once 4 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:32.079 again talking to UFOs with your people, UFOs and aliens. Today we have 5 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:37.840 a great show. Today's show, we've got Jim Moroney on. And I 6 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:43.759 first heard from about him from nobody out there in La move On Steve Morillo, 7 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:47.600 who usually listens Yo Steve. Anyway, he told me, Hey, 8 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:51.880 this guy came to speak at La Mofon. He was great, you guys 9 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:56.880 should have him on the show and everything. And so coincidentally he emailed a 10 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:58.840 couple of weeks ago and I said, hey, would you like to be 11 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:00.759 on the show. I've heard that you have some interesting things to say? 12 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:07.000 And indeed he does. He had his own abduction experience years ago, and 13 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:14.400 since he feels that he has been able to get of sense on why abductions 14 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:21.159 are happening, why we have extraterrestrial visitations, and he's going to share all 15 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:26.159 of that with us here this evening. I know you're getting really excited, 16 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:32.480 and that's good because it's going to be great. He's also actually an administrator 17 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:37.719 in the health and safety field, so he's a professional, and he kind 18 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:41.439 of talks about what that's like, you know, being a professional and having 19 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:47.799 these experiences and having to kind of not share them with your colleagues because that's 20 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:52.799 not something you want to do in a corporate environment, and especially you know, 21 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:56.640 like if you're going for a job interview, save that type of thing 22 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.879 till months later when you're sick, you're in the job, or you've got 23 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:04.280 a job and you're in a union, because they can't get rid of you 24 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.840 no matter what you could say, whatever you want ten So you gotta be 25 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.719 careful job interviews not to talk about your abduction experiences. But call us and 26 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.919 let us know because maybe we'll have you on the show so you could share 27 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:16.599 that with us. But it's a long we're going to talk to him for 28 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:22.560 quite a bit. Let's move on right away. Oh, I should mention 29 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:23.639 move on. We're going to be in move On this weekend, so you 30 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.240 got to come see us twenty ninth to thirty. First. We'll be there, 31 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:30.800 uh Friday morning at our vendor table in Fresne, California. Go to 32 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:36.039 move on dot com for more information. Ervine, California. Did I say 33 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.599 Fresne, Irvine, California? I always say Fresne for some reason. But 34 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:46.680 we'll be in Irvine, OC. Baby. But let's get some news going 35 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:52.960 because we have you already heard him are excellent news correspondent Jason mcclennan is here 36 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.479 with us to tell us all about the UFO news for the week. Jason, 37 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.280 give us some info there, I certainly will. Alejandro, I've got 38 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:05.599 your news. This is your Open Minds News brief for Monday, July twenty 39 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:10.439 fifth, twenty eleven. Fisher Atlantis departed from the International Space Station last week 40 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:15.120 and returned to Earth on Thursday morning, marking the end of NASA Space Shuttle 41 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:17.199 program, which made lots of people cry and go, oh, we're not 42 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:22.240 going to space anymore. So if NASA isn't wasting any time, the organization 43 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:24.360 is already working on a solution to launch humans back into space as soon as 44 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:29.599 possible. According to the Huffington Post, a partnership was announced last Monday between 45 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:35.280 NASA and Colorado based United Launch Alliance, also known as ULA. The tools 46 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.879 share data as NASA evaluates ULA's Atlas five rocket to determine whether or not the 47 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:45.159 rocket can safely launch a mancraft into space. The Denver Post reports that if 48 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:50.199 human certification is determined and Atlas five powered, private spacecraft could be launched by 49 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.439 mid decade. And that's according to Edmengo, program director of NASA's Commercial Crew 50 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:58.719 Development Program. NASA already has a contract with another rocket company, and we 51 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.800 talked about this last week with space X. NASA is going full steam ahead, 52 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.280 working with several companies to ensure the exploration of the universe moves forward. 53 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:11.199 But if the Denver Post points out, ULA is the first rocket company to 54 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.639 join NASA in studying the capabilities and limitations of its vehicles. So they're really 55 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:21.879 getting wrapped up with ULA, whereas with SpaceX they're providing some funding and they 56 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:26.639 want to use their rockets, but they're not taking an active role in the 57 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.439 study and development of the rockets. Yeah, it looks like they're really kind 58 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.319 of playing the field right now and trying to get an idea of what's next. 59 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:38.279 Although they did say, you know, they're sending what another rover out 60 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:43.240 to Mars to where they think there might be life and that they're flying around 61 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.560 these asteroids. We've gotten some pictures lately of that, trying to show that 62 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:50.399 they're still busy and up to something. But they're up to a lot. 63 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:54.920 They've got so many missions lined up, and you're right, they are certainly 64 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.759 covering their bases and getting involved with it. Seems like absolutely everybody who's in 65 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:00.800 the game now. The pictures have the asteroids are really neat too, right, 66 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:05.920 because these things are fairly decent size, and they're you know, they're 67 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:10.040 big, it looks like, and they've talked about landing on there and people 68 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:13.759 landing on there and walking around. I mean, these things well a few 69 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.480 hundred miles wide, which is fairly big. I mean, you can walk 70 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:20.560 around on that kind of be weird, but it is kind of exciting, 71 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:28.959 extremely exciting. In other space related news story, Musgrave, who flew on 72 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:32.920 six Shuttle missions, believes extraterrestrial life is out there. Apollo astronaut edgar Mitchell 73 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:38.439 also believes in extraterrestrials and believes they are here on Earth. Muskrave, however, 74 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:41.920 doesn't share that belief, as he explained to the Huffington Post. Some 75 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:46.480 astronauts have been quoted as saying they think they're aliens out there. I've seen 76 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:48.839 their evidence, and for me it's not evidence. But he goes on to 77 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:55.720 explain I feel they're everywhere out there and they're doing interstellar travel. We'll think 78 00:05:55.720 --> 00:06:00.519 differently about ourselves once we accept that. Musgrave will be the keynotes speaker this 79 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:03.000 week at the forty second annual move On Symposium in Irvine, California. The 80 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:08.600 theme of this year's symposium is eat Contact the Implications for Science and Society. 81 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:13.839 Muskraw have recently described his upcoming presentation to The Huffington Post. I'm going to 82 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:17.600 tell them that for me and my interpretation of everything that's come my way, 83 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.920 I cannot arrive at the idea that we have been visited, either in the 84 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:26.480 past or now. Move On is the largest UFO research organization in the world, 85 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.199 and the forty second annual move On Symposium, as Alejandro already stated, 86 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:34.279 runs from July twenty ninth through the thirty first Come see Us. There's already 87 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:40.759 been people voicing their frustration about having a keynote speaker who's a skeptic when it 88 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:45.160 comes to UFOs, and I can definitely see that point. Maybe he wasn't 89 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:49.040 best for keynote. The other thing is it's right after a banquet, if 90 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:54.920 people have food on the table. If he really gets skeptic and says UFOs 91 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.759 aren't real, it's food fight and you've got some food, do you think 92 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.680 you might be tempted to throw food at him? Food fight? It's food 93 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.680 fight city, and I know he's going to talk about it. Seemed some 94 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:10.240 edgar Mitchell type stuff, although Egger's only heard accounts. But what about Gordon 95 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:16.439 Cooper? Gordon Cooper chased UFOs in a jet plane while he was in the 96 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.839 Air Force and saw UFO had film of a UFO landing in a dry lake 97 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:25.800 bed. We don't know for sure what he's going to say, but from 98 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:29.800 what from his statements, it certainly sounds like he's going to call out some 99 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:34.319 of these other astronauts and kind of poop poo their claims. Yeah, well 100 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:40.959 might be food fight. That'd be fun, big UFO food fight. You're 101 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.720 right, even if I doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with what he's 102 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:46.560 saying. If people start throwing food, I'll probably throw food too. Yeah, 103 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.240 to play along, I'm gonna antake a nice of person sitting next to 104 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:53.000 me saying, man, I'll probably just throw a food at you just because 105 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.800 you better throw food at this guy. Yes, here's some pretty cool news 106 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:01.120 from last week. The state of New Hampshire erected a historical marker last Wednesday 107 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.839 to commemorate the Betty and Barney Hill incident that occurred in nineteen sixty one, 108 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:09.079 the first publicized alien abduction incident in the United States. The Hill's knees Kathleen 109 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.600 Martin, was instrumental in convincing the New Hampshire Division of Historical Resources to erect 110 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:18.240 the historical marker. This marker is located near the Indian Head Resort where Betty 111 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.639 and Barney encountered a UFO. The sign on the marker reads, on the 112 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:28.639 night of September nineteen, Dash twenty, nineteen sixty one, Portsmouth, New 113 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:33.200 Hampshire, coupled Betty and Barney Hill experienced a close encounter with an unidentified flying 114 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:37.840 object and two hours of lost time while driving south on Route three near Lincoln. 115 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.559 They filed an official Air Force Project Blue Book report for brightly lit cigar 116 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.320 shaped craft the next day, but were not public with their story until it 117 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.120 was leaked to The Boston Traveler in nineteen sixty five. This was the first 118 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:56.480 widely reported UFO abduction report in the United States, and Kathleen Martin really helped 119 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:01.279 with all of the wordage there, and she had to go through quite a 120 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.919 process to get this thing pushed forward. So it's awesome that they actually put 121 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.799 this thing up and Betty and Barney Hills extra trust. Real encounter is the 122 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.840 subject of many books, as well as a nineteen seventy five TV movie, 123 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:18.039 The UFO Incident, starring James Earl Jones. And I think I was very 124 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:22.159 honored that she sent us the article that we put up and we got it 125 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:26.039 at first. Have a wonderful article by Kathleen Martin on our website right now, 126 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:31.080 yep, on this whole how this whole process came to be. She's 127 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.879 a wonderful person. I love her to dad. She's going to be at 128 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:39.200 move on, So I'm excited to see her again, absolutely well. Residents 129 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.519 of a Chinese village encountered what they believed to be an extraterrestrial creature last week. 130 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.919 The creature was spotted eating cucumbers from a garden. How dare he? 131 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.840 The creature, according to the website io nine dot Com, was spotted by 132 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.639 a witness, and the witness explained at first I thought it was a rabbit. 133 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:00.720 Then I was shocked to see it had an alien face. But the 134 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.360 creature turned out to be a malnourished monkey who was losing his hair. He's 135 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.159 a strange looking monkey. I don't know that I would mistake him for an 136 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:15.639 extra terrestrial. He's cute, though, I think, uh, yeah, 137 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:20.600 we've seen in the past monkey's mistaken for I love extraterrestrials, but yeah, 138 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.919 I mean, you know, we've seen this misidentification before. Aside from from 139 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.759 extraterrestrials, you see it a lot with chupacabras. Yep, even this week. 140 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.159 Yeah, exactly. I think that's a mangchi coyote, either mangy coyotes 141 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.679 or malnurished dogs or the hairless dogs, you know, and people aren't used 142 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.120 to seeing them, so it could be a hairless dog that's also malnourished. 143 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.799 It looks kind of weird, and of course, you know, as I've 144 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:48.159 told you the older accounts and the pictures that we see of chop of cabra, 145 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.559 it kind of has this spiky hair thing like you've got going on, 146 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:56.720 not like a mangy hairless coyote, right, which looks very different than the 147 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.480 traditional idea. Although you know whatever, especially when they started when lots of 148 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.360 animals were being killed and their blood with being sucked. It could be a 149 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.639 cryptozoological thing. Where's an animal we haven't discovered yet, And maybe it does 150 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:16.320 look canine somehow. But also with that that depiction of the spiky hair. 151 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.240 You know the hairless dogs. They vary, but typically they have no hair 152 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:26.480 on their bodies, but they have this little mohawk on the top and taft. 153 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.799 Yeah, so you see a lot of those pictures and you can identify 154 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:33.720 the dog, but people aren't used to seeing them. Yeah, it's I 155 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.639 identification. Just like with the monkey, poor monkey, little part. I 156 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.480 hope they let him keep it. It doesn't sound like they killed him. 157 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:43.799 This one lady said she was adamant about the police coming and arresting the little 158 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:50.679 guy. But I don't think they did. I think that he didn't apparently 159 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:56.080 create commit any crimes, and animals usually don't. They steal food and that's 160 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.639 okay for them to do, but they should have let him steal more food. 161 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:05.799 Poor maybe someone's pet right now, hopefully, well, a fast moving 162 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.320 UFO is captured on video in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on July eleventh. The 163 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.559 bright white object in the video appears to have an irregular shape, leading SUNS 164 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.840 to suggest that the object is nothing more than a plastic bag blowing in the 165 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:22.000 wind, But according to the Epic Times, slow motion footage reveals it to 166 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:28.000 have a distinct form and the speed of movement is too fast and directed for 167 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.120 it to be a bag blowing in the wind. Several smaller white objects also 168 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.440 appear in the video. They could be bugs or birds, but for now 169 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.840 all the flying objects in the video remain unidentified. What do you think? 170 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.840 It certainly looks a lot like a plastic bag blowing in the wind. I 171 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.559 think that too. It looks a lot like a plastic bag moving in the 172 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.799 wind. I mean, however, it is moving super fast. Oh really 173 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.080 windy day. Although you know, as we know from doing different experiments, 174 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.879 the wing chain at different levels, right, I mean a few hundred feet 175 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:07.399 up it could be going really fast in one direction, and then a few 176 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.279 hundred feet up from that it could be moving fast in a different direction. 177 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.799 Absolutely, you have like these currents in the era above us. You almost 178 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:20.320 pulled the number foot direction direction. You never know what direction you're exactly right, 179 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.039 And I need to watch the video again. I don't recall. I 180 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.200 know the camera comes down at one point and you see some trees, and 181 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:30.000 I don't think the trees were moving it all from the wind. No, 182 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.200 I didn't look like it was a windy day, and you don't hear it 183 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.840 on the audio, which you usually hear the window against the mic, So 184 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:39.879 it didn't seem like a windy day. And that thing was cruising. Yeah, 185 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:45.919 so it's definitely an interesting video. It's not the typical I guess there 186 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.799 isn't really a typical. But you know we see this with balloons too. 187 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.279 You know, people will see a video that turns out to be a balloon 188 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.159 and people will say, oh, we'll see how fast it's going. Balloons 189 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.960 can't move that fast, and you know they can, it's just we're used 190 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.960 to seeing them sort of lazily float. Yeah. What someone needs to do. 191 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.399 And I know there's a weather guy that listened to the show, Danny. 192 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:09.720 Maybe he can do this for us. But I used to have this 193 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.519 guy in Colorado who would do this for me. He is far to move 194 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.840 on. He worked for a weather company and he could look up how fast 195 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:24.399 the wind was at different altitudes, so he would be able to determine whether 196 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.840 or not there was any wind. Now, if there was no wind at 197 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.720 any altitude moving very hard at that time, which is recorded in many places, 198 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.799 then you would have something there. But you have to have someone check 199 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.200 on that, and we need a new weather dude. And what do you 200 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:46.039 think about the the other multiple smaller white orbish things that you see, those 201 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:50.600 could have been birds, I mean, or if that you know, the 202 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.039 wind was going that quick, but you know the video is so quick, 203 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:58.279 you know, and the camera's moving around that those could have been birds, 204 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.679 right, I mean that was my initial thought was birds not the main object, 205 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:09.240 but right exactly, because the main object has a very strange irregular like 206 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.000 a paper bag wood in the air, or of plastic bag. But again 207 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.519 with these other, these other dots that could be bugs or birds, they're 208 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.519 sort of going all sorts of different directions, so it doesn't look like anything 209 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:28.240 blowing in the wind or any controlled craft. But who knows. In Alejandro, 210 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.480 I really liked this story. This is fun. A Swedish team of 211 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.639 ocean explorers may have discovered a UFO on the bottom of the ocean. The 212 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:41.600 team sonar detected the sixty five foot disc shaped object on July nineteen, which 213 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.279 is currently resting nearly three hundred feet below the ocean surface in an area between 214 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:52.799 Sweden and Finland. Sonar also detected tracks nearly one thousand feet long that could 215 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.519 indicate the object has moved along the ocean's bottom. The team of explorers isn't 216 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.679 going to research the circular object, however, is they are only interested in 217 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:07.960 searching the ocean floors for alcoholic cargo that may have existed from ancient shipwrecks. 218 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:12.639 Gethered. I mean, these are treasure hunters in the past. They've gotten 219 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:18.799 millions of dollars from finding treasure. I think they found gold toaballoons, you 220 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.600 know what everybody's looking for. So they got the money they got the time. 221 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:26.600 There's a gigantic ram thing. It could be something worth a lot of 222 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:32.799 money. That's so frustrating. They don't go check. And if it's a 223 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:36.399 y afraid, I don't know. Maybe that's true. They claim they don't 224 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:38.360 have the money and their budget. That's not their mission, so they're moving 225 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:42.080 on. But yeah, what a bummer. I could because even you know, 226 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:52.120 even if it's something that isn't extraterrestrial, a gigantic what twenty meters so 227 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:57.120 like sixty three sixty five feet wide? Yeah, that's merikful that. I 228 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:00.919 mean, that's got to be something pretty interesting. I would imagine. What 229 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:07.359 if it's a sixty five foot piece of gold that would be worth ten trillion 230 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:14.160 dollars and they just missed out on the biggest gold the bloon ever created it 231 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.119 because they don't have it in their budget. Yeah, talk about no imagining. 232 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:21.440 You know what if it's sixty sixty five feet across, it's big thing 233 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.319 of gold. I don't think they could lift it up anyway. Yeah that's 234 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:27.160 true, but they would have claim to it. Many people have tried before, 235 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:30.799 and that's why there's one thousand feet of drag marks. Yeah, maybe 236 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.440 that's what's happened. Well all one hundred. That is it for the news. 237 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:40.000 Remember to check out these stories and lots and lots more at openminds dot 238 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:42.440 tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McLellan, your Open 239 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:48.640 Mind's news correspondent, and you've been briefed back to you Alejandro. All right, 240 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.200 thank you, Jason. We have a lot of stories on the website 241 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:56.000 that we've put up this week. As usual, we've got all of these 242 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:59.720 things that we've talked about, including the videos if you go to Open mindsot 243 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:07.440 t be the Minnesota fast Moving, possible plastic bag, possible strange looking something 244 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.640 else, and the monkey and all that's on our front page. We also 245 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.960 have a new story from Michael Shrat you might be interested in doesn't have anything 246 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.480 to do with UFOs, well maybe it kind of does. This is Test 247 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:26.240 Pilots in their secret history. So he kind of highlights three test pilots who 248 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:32.160 have tested top secret craft, of which most of the craft, or at 249 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:37.680 least much many of these things that they've flown, are still top secret and 250 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:42.000 we have no idea what these things might have looked like. So that's really 251 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:47.599 interesting because to think, you know, these guys were flying these things years 252 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:52.279 ago and we still don't know what these things look like that they were flying. 253 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.519 You know, of course, most likely some of these things have gotten 254 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:59.519 mistaken for UFOs. So that's a very interesting story that you can check out 255 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.960 that we just hosted today. We have the Kathleen Martin story and also in 256 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:12.680 kind of remembrance of another UFO conference in California that took place during the seventies. 257 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:19.119 I wrote about a conference called Giant Rock, and some of you may 258 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.279 know about it, some of you may not, But this was a gigantic 259 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:32.720 UFO conference that was started by a guy named George man Tassel and he, 260 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:38.640 you know, literally he actually worked with Hughes, Howard Hughes as a test 261 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:45.400 pilot himself. He retired and he bought this gigantic this land leased it actually 262 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.720 from BLM Land that had this giant rock on it. And under the rock 263 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:56.200 was this little room. He built a cafe next to this rock. There 264 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.200 was an airstrip there so people can fly in. And since he was a 265 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:03.880 test pilot and buddies with Howard Hughes, Howard Hughes would fly in, they 266 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:06.400 said, and he would come and have a piece of pie at this place. 267 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:15.200 But once a year for about I think something like fifteen years. It 268 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.920 was in the late fifties up into the seventies, so nearly twenty years he 269 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:25.359 held a convention at this giant rock in the middle of the desert late June 270 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:32.160 in California and thousands of people would show up. Now it got mostly known 271 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:36.039 for the contact ease that would come. In other words, people who felt 272 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:40.680 they were communication communicating with aliens, such as George man Tassel. He felt 273 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:45.200 that he was able to go onto the rock and have some meditations and talk 274 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.880 with aliens. So you have a lot of people who were contact ease that 275 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.839 came to this conference, but thousands of people would come to this thing and 276 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.640 hear different people talk. So very interesting. And I wrote a write up 277 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:02.519 mainly about George Mantassel himself and that held these conferences with some pictures I was 278 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:10.160 able to find, such as at the website for the integration and what is 279 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:14.440 the integration on this? You know, with the aliens that George Mantassa was 280 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:18.720 talking to, he said he was able to get the plans or the bloomprints 281 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:25.440 for technology that they shared with him to heal people. So he started building 282 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:30.000 this thing. It took him many years, and unfortunately he died before he 283 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:34.319 finished. He passed away in the late seventies. But the building still stands 284 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.559 and you can see pictures of that, and it looks very pretty inside, 285 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.480 nice hardwood, and I guess the acoustics are really nice because it's kind of 286 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.799 this domed thing would have been nice if he finished it, because it was 287 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:51.720 said he said that its purpose was to rejuvenate ourselves, so to kind of 288 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:55.599 take us back in time and make us younger and better and healthier, and 289 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.920 that would have been wonderful, but he didn't finish. Hopefully, one day 290 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.680 we'll get that technology ourselves. So that's some of what you're going to find 291 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:08.160 at Openminds dot tv. Some really interesting stories. Go check that out. 292 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:15.599 But let us, without further ado, talk to our good friend Jim Maroney. 293 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.720 Real nice guy. Let's get him on the line. I am very 294 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:27.880 happy to have Jim Moroni on the phone. Jim, are you how you 295 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.799 doing good? Did I say your name right? Morony? That's correct. 296 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:37.200 Absolutely. It's a little bit of an Irish descent. Actually with Maroni, 297 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.319 it kind of sounds like Italian sometimes, but it's actually Irish. Okay, 298 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.799 cool. Yeah, for some reason I thought it was Maroney for a long 299 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:51.480 time, and I just read it more closely recently. Well, it's great 300 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:52.720 to have you on the show. Thank you so much for coming on. 301 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:56.799 Oh, thank you very much. I'm excited to be on your show. 302 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.400 Yeah. And let's say you've got a couple foot out now, you have 303 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:07.039 one called the Extraterrestural answer Book and what year was that one written? That 304 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:11.880 was just written in two thousand and nine, late two thousand and nine, 305 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.880 really didn't get to the Sheldon until early twenty ten, Okay, so not 306 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:21.759 too long ago. And then you're a part of this brand new project that 307 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.640 I know some of the guys in Roswell have been a part of, like 308 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:32.079 Santon Friedman, Don Schmidt, Tom Carey. I'm not sure if Kevin Randall 309 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:33.440 was in there by I know those three were, and they were excited about 310 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:38.960 this book, UFO's and Alien that has a bunch of essays from researchers, 311 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:44.640 and you're in there. Yeah. Yeah. It gives a broad spectrum of 312 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:51.680 the UFO phenomena, from ideas around influences on early history with humanity and up 313 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:56.400 to the Roswell incident. And then Nick Pope actually from the United Kingdom did 314 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:02.799 a nice essay in there about work that he's been doing with the with the 315 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:07.880 government in the UK and the releasing of UFO files and information surrounding that. 316 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:12.359 And I've been lucky enough as well to join them and a number of other 317 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:18.039 esteemed colleagues and the writing of materials and essays for this book surrounding that subject 318 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:25.839 matter, and my particular essay has to deal with the UFO abduction encounters, 319 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.200 some stories around that, and a little bit about my experience and obviously my 320 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:34.240 interpretation of what these experiences mean and what we need to be doing to prepare 321 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:41.079 for the inevitable future which seems to be approaching here relatively quickly. Great, 322 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:44.400 great, yeah, I want to get into that and the subject of the 323 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:48.160 book and everything. And Nick Pope is also is the right term a serf 324 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:53.799 of the queen or because you guys are officially in Canada under the monarchy also 325 00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:59.920 right, Yeah, it's kind of a yeah, we have a very friendly 326 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.400 relationship with the monarchy. Basically in the United Kingdom, we're still part of 327 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:08.799 the Commonwealth, so they don't really hold a whole lot of power believestically politically, 328 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.759 so they're kind of figureheads essentially. But yeah, you know, Canada 329 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:17.920 always has this warm place and the heart for them for the monarchy. Yeah, 330 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:21.559 well, Canada is just full of knighte people. They have good relationships 331 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:25.200 with everybody. Huh. Well, you know, we're small enough that we 332 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:27.839 can do that. We don't have to have a big army that that draws 333 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:33.000 a lot of negative attention, right, and you know it's We're really people 334 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.400 in Canada are quite aware of the fact that we don't have a large army, 335 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.039 specifically because the United States does have a large army, and you know, 336 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:47.359 we've there's this really close relationship with the United States and people the United 337 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.319 States. You know, there's not really a whole lot of difference between both 338 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:56.519 people essentially in both countries other than just how the you know, the geopolitical 339 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:03.440 establishments quite quite a bit different. You know, so I can sense that, 340 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:08.079 you know, as the turmoil continues to evolve in the United States, 341 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:11.680 and you know, Canada is not immune to some internal turmoil as well. 342 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:15.240 But I'm hoping that, you know, we have enough good people in both 343 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:21.480 countries to bridge the gaps between us, and obviously proposed that both our countries, 344 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:23.799 you know, attend the next couple of years actually in a better state 345 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.680 than they than they have in the last few years. Yeah. Yeah, 346 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:33.960 So with you, your experiences began in nineteen eighty seven. Now, did 347 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:41.519 you really think about UFOs or extraterrestrials or anything like that prior to nineteen eighty 348 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.720 seven, not to the way I did afterwards, you know, I did. 349 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.440 I was always curious in sciences, you know, I've always been drawn 350 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.200 into science. And if I think if anybody who gets drawn into science and 351 00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:00.759 likes learning, and gets drawn into learning and learns to appreciate what you can 352 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.400 gain from learning, that science, for example, presented those things that got 353 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:11.880 me excited. And so at one point in time I contemplated very you know, 354 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:15.559 I gradually just just you know, as a matter of fact, I 355 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.519 kind of thought to myself, well, it's our UFOs really and I had 356 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.279 heard about them. I said, our UFO is really real, and I 357 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.200 concluded that I thought some of them probably were. I thought that some of 358 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.839 the reports that I'd read and from some of the people would suggest to me 359 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.359 that, you know, maybe they were real. And then I thought that 360 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.160 if they were real, since they were, that some of these reports may 361 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:40.559 have to do with extraterrestials that have just probably observing us from a distance. 362 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:41.880 You know, they didn't want to really get get involved with us, but 363 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:47.000 maybe they're just you know, curiously studying us. And that's really all I 364 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.519 thought about it. You know, I didn't portray it in any big way. 365 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.359 I just and I think it was just a general interest really for a 366 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.880 little bit, but nothing major, that's for sure. I hadn't even thought 367 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:02.480 about it any great extent. And then something nature didn't occur in eighty seven 368 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.440 and where you found that they may have a little more interest than just watching 369 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.200 us from Afar. Yeah, you know, the experience was so overwhelming to 370 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:18.160 me that it shattered all my preconceived ideas about what I thought about the UFO 371 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.960 phenomena. And not only that, it really shattered the foundations that I thought 372 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.319 i'd established over my years, you know, of what I thought was possible 373 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.559 and not possible. What I call it is a consensus reality. I love 374 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.200 that term, you know, And a consensus reality is what we all think 375 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.880 reality should be, and it's a general consensus of this reality. Well, 376 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.920 that reality was shattered for me, and it took me some time, I 377 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.759 have to say, you know, to get my feedback on the ground and 378 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.680 deal with the experience the way it should be dealt with in order for it 379 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.279 to have a positive influence on my life and make sure that it wasn't going 380 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.759 to be a negative influence on it. But it also created so many challenges 381 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.680 about things I didn't understand, and it put me on a journey and on 382 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:06.119 a path to try and discover what the abduction phenomenon really is and what's behind 383 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:11.400 it, and so that in some way I can understand it better. So 384 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:18.920 can you explain to us what had happened? Well, it turns out in 385 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:23.240 nineteen eighty seven this experience, During this part of this experience, I began 386 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.839 to realize that I'd had previous contact with these beings, but I had no 387 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.720 conscious memory of it. And that's a real shock, you know, when 388 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:37.039 you when you suddenly realize there are parts of your life that actually you're not 389 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.119 even aware of at some point in time. Kind of sounds spooky, but 390 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.319 that is ultimately the reality of part of this experience. But I'm back in 391 00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:49.480 nineteen eighty seven. What these beings did is they carefully orchestrate it a contact 392 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:55.640 experience for me, and they ensured that parts of my memory would remain intact 393 00:29:55.640 --> 00:30:02.279 and I would be able to recall certain components of this experience completely lucidly. 394 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:07.640 I wasn't asleep through any of this process or anything else, and the other 395 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.400 parts of the experience they wanted to make sure or try to ensure that I 396 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.160 didn't remember them, and they didn't feel that it was my best interest to 397 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.119 remember them. But of course, you know, being as curious of a 398 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.720 guy I was, I really wanted to make sure that I tried to find 399 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.400 her out a little bit more about what happened on this particular experience. And 400 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.599 I'll go into the experience here. The experience really occurred in nineteen eighty seven 401 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:38.759 off in a truck stop, and I had this ominous feeling. Actually, 402 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.839 when I was pulling into the truck stop, I didn't feel very at ease 403 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.359 at all. In fact, there was just something that was nagging me. 404 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.119 I wasn't sure what it was. And when I pulled into this track stop, 405 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.119 I really wanted to be near people. I didn't want to It was 406 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.799 late in the evening. I wasn't going to find another place to hold up 407 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:02.279 in a hotel or anything like that. You want a long trip or yeah, 408 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:04.359 I was. I was on a very long drive. I'd driven eleven 409 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:08.960 hours straight and I was exhausted. It was just, you know, after 410 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.119 midnight, maybe around one o'clock in the morning, when I pulled into this 411 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:17.720 place. It was again a truck stop off off a major trucking route in 412 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:21.799 Canada. It's off called Highway One, which links both eastern and Western Canada. 413 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:23.839 And I pulled into this truck stop, you know, when I looked 414 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.400 around and I thought to myself, well, where am I going to sleep 415 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.200 here? You know, I'm driving a little Honda Civic, you know, 416 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.039 And I pull into this truck stop. I pull over to the side, 417 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.160 and I wanted people from the restaurant to be able to see me or me 418 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.160 see them, And I just felt to be a little bit safer. I 419 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.400 didn't want to go into the far parking lot off into a dark area where 420 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.759 nobody was going to see me. I parked my car there, I pulled 421 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.839 over to the I got out. I was just by myself. I went 422 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.079 into the passenger side because I was driving a stick shift, a little Honda 423 00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:57.599 Civic, so with the pedals and everything else in the way, you know, 424 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.960 that's just not very comfortable to lie back. And so I moved some 425 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.720 of the gear around in the car, pushed the back seat down or pushed 426 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.079 the passenger seat down, and so I could stretch out a little bit more, 427 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.680 grabbed the blanket and set myself into the car and put the blanket over 428 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.519 me. And tried to get a little bit of shut eye, but unfortunately 429 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.240 where I parked there were still a lot of vehicles coming in. It was 430 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.960 the truck stop, after all, and truckers don't necessarily all pull off at 431 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.920 midnight, you know, they drive all night long as well. And I 432 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.640 found that a lot of these trucks were actually pulling in through the night, 433 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.319 so I couldn't get any sleep. You know, every minute I tried to 434 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:43.400 doze off, another truck would come in and wake me up, so or 435 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.119 just prevent me from going to sleep, because I really never got any sleep. 436 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.519 Then I was there when another truck was coming in, and I thought, 437 00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:55.640 good God, what is this guy doing? And I could his lights 438 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.799 were so bright. I'm thinking now that he's pulling right up to the front 439 00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:02.480 of him car, and I'm thinking, what is this guy doing now? 440 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.640 I mean, I was actually getting angry, thinking that what a jerk, 441 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.200 you know, he's pulling way too close to my car. And all of 442 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:14.640 a sudden, I noticed that the lights were actually moving over top of my 443 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.519 vehicle. And I hadn't opened my eyes yet because the light was just so 444 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:22.160 intense in this vehicle. And as the lights moved over top of the vehicle. 445 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:27.200 Obviously, I realized it wasn't a drug. I assumed it was some 446 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.880 kind of craft. Something was moving over top of the vehicle. At the 447 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:36.000 same time, this all happened very very rapidly, I became paralyzed. I 448 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:42.240 wasn't able to move, I could barely breathe essentially felt like that, and 449 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:51.240 it's just extremely uncomfortable. And this fear started to emanate or become a part 450 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.000 of this experience as well. And I think this fear may have originated from 451 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:58.839 this paralysis. I'm not sure how that all happened, but in any case, 452 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:07.719 I was actually taken on board this vessel, and the paralysis in a 453 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:12.760 company with that too as well. I should mention that there was a strong 454 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:16.159 electromagnetic field underneath this craft, because I could actually feel the hairs on my 455 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.599 arm. I came a hairy guy, and I could feel the hairs on 456 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.559 my arm actually rise, and I knew whatever this craft is, you know, 457 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.679 I doubt very much it's from here. It's completely silent. I didn't 458 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.920 hear any noise, any engine noise. In fact, the air I would 459 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.679 describe it as dead air. There wasn't any echo into it. If I 460 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:37.679 made a snapping sound on my finger. If I could have moved my fingers, 461 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.199 I wouldn't have anticipated there would have been any sound. I mean, 462 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.239 it was just the air completely went dead. It was the quietest, quietest 463 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:51.119 air I'd ever ever experienced. The next minute, I'm being drawn through the 464 00:34:51.159 --> 00:35:00.800 car and I find myself standing in front of four non human beings. And 465 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.920 I staggered to my left, and I put my hand down, and I 466 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.760 looked really briefly, and there was my car. So somehow they pulled me 467 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:15.239 through the windshield or through the front of the car, and they and set 468 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.880 me standing essentially in front of them in an amphitheater kind of room. It 469 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.920 was a large room, and these beings were obviously non human. They're about 470 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:29.119 three and a half feet tall, typically the large heads that a lot of 471 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.920 people are report, but they had I would call them like quite pointy chins. 472 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.800 Their chins came down quite a bit, almost past their neck actually, 473 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.199 like where where your neck is a little bit. So they were quite pointy, 474 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.360 and they had very very thin necks, and they also had obviously these 475 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.840 very large heads. But all their eyes were blue, you know, they 476 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.559 didn't have any black pupils like a lot of other people report them to have. 477 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:58.760 They had blue pupils, so they weren't compound eyes or anything like this. 478 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.079 They had no hair, they didn't have any ears. They had only 479 00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.679 slight noses that I could make out. And their mouths were very very slight 480 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:10.800 as well, and the very obviously very large. It was probably the eyes 481 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.760 about four times the size of ours, if not five times the size of 482 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:21.960 ours. Just immense, and I was I got immediately. Not only was 483 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.760 I a little bit disorientated, I was really scared. Part of being pulled 484 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.159 on board this ship. It really hurt. I don't understand why the pain 485 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.000 was there or anything else, but it would feel like maybe I got the 486 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.840 bends or something like that. I mean, it felt like my body was 487 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.320 being torn apart. Wow. So for a brief period of time, I 488 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:43.280 thought I was dying. I was going to be killed. And then the 489 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.239 next thing I know, there's no pain, and I'm staggering, you know, 490 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:51.320 in front of these in front of these beings. And so I thought 491 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.000 to myself, look, I got to defend myself in some way, and 492 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:58.239 I don't want them doing anything that's going to hurt me. And I'm not 493 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.840 confident that they know how not to hurt me. So the first thing I 494 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.559 do is become quite indignant, you know, and I'm telling them they don't 495 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.440 have a right to do this. Whatether they think they're doing. You know, 496 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.280 they can't just take people without any reason. You know, they shouldn't 497 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.480 be able to talk. You know, they just don't have a right to 498 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.360 do. This is really what I was trying to be and insistent on, 499 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.840 and part of this, you know, when I look back on it, 500 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.280 it was really me just trying to protect myself, you know, and obviously 501 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.320 I was scared. I also didn't want to do anything that was going to 502 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.639 be reckless. I didn't want to do anything that was going to jeopardize me 503 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:37.039 getting back and getting back to my car and letting them, you know, 504 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:45.519 having them let me go. And so and this all happens very very fast. 505 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.440 So it's quite a jumble of thoughts that you're trying to work through. 506 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.519 So in the meantime, one of these beings, as I'm getting more angry 507 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.760 with these guys, and they weren't making any noises, they didn't talk it 508 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.679 at all at first, and I said to them, you know, you 509 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.679 could used the door was one of the statements that I made, and I 510 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:07.159 was alluding to the fact that I thought hurt being pulled through the car. 511 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:08.480 I thought that, hey, you know, I just opened up the bloody 512 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:10.599 door, and then you could pull me out that way if you wanted to. 513 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.119 You don't have to hurt me in that way. And one of the 514 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:20.519 beings steps forward and with complete command of the English language, said very clearly, 515 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.639 what do you need doors for? And I was so dumbstruck by the 516 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.599 question because I didn't know how to answer it. And I'm thought to myself 517 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.639 brief I said, how in the hell am I going to talk to these 518 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:36.360 guys when we don't even have doors? In comment, and it's a verbal 519 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:42.559 statement that this thing made, Yeah, completely, and obviously it would suggest 520 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:47.559 that they've had long term contact with human beings. I lost it in the 521 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:52.079 moment, you know, but I think I thought about it briefly that geez, 522 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:53.400 how the heck did they learn English? You know, they must they 523 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.400 must have found a way to learn English. They must have known about us 524 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.719 for some period of time. What did the voice like? It was? 525 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:09.960 It was and I'm just trying to describe it. It was a curiosity in 526 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:17.239 the voice, but the inflection was quite pragmatic. It was just a very 527 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:22.360 direct question. There wasn't a lot of emotion tied into it. It's just 528 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.920 what do you need doors for? What about like that pitch of that? 529 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:31.840 Would it sound like an adult or a child or high pitch or it was? 530 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:37.360 I would say it just sounded human. It sounded more human, you 531 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.480 know. It wasn't high pitched or low pitched or anything like that. It 532 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:45.519 would sound pretty I'd say, like an average voice. I didn't really recall 533 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.400 discerning exactly what it sounded like. There wasn't any dramatic difference, let me 534 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.840 put it that way that would have that would have thought that it was out 535 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.679 of place. So yeah, but there wasn't any accent to it. I 536 00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.559 mean even in North America, you know, we even though we vast majority 537 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.559 of the population speaks English, we've got all different kinds of accents from California 538 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.079 to Arizona to Canada. And then Canada has several different accents in it, 539 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:14.800 and we have the East Coast accents, we have you know, the Southern 540 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.559 United States, they have different accents. And in this the accent I didn't 541 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.360 detect any accents for me. So whatever however they were questioning it, you 542 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.519 know, and whatever words they were using that, I just didn't perceive an 543 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:30.440 accent to it. This was I was obviously, you know, we can 544 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:37.480 go off in another direction with with why that would be. But the I 545 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:44.400 continued to get angry, and then finally another being stepped forward, and instantaneously 546 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.719 I was completely calm and the snappier finger I was. I went from a 547 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:53.719 raging lunatic to a completely calm, docile person. So what they have with 548 00:40:53.760 --> 00:41:02.079 this opportunity the ability to do, is to project some means of controlling your 549 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:07.559 emotions and controlling the individual that's with them. And the way I describe it 550 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.239 is think of it as getting on stage with a hypnotist, you know, 551 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.519 and having a hypnotists hypnotize you and then give you suggestions and you just follow 552 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:20.079 them or you do things. But this type of hypnosis or this type of 553 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:24.000 suggestion was much more powerful than you would normally be exposed to and the typical 554 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:31.480 hypnotist entertainment situation. So in anyway, this other being stepped forward, didn't 555 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:37.400 say anything to me, and boom, I was completely calm and I'm not 556 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.400 sure and then if they had worded it or it's just the idea came up. 557 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.239 But it was like, follow me, and I went okay. I 558 00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.800 didn't put up any resistance. I didn't start yelling at them anymore. It 559 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.280 was like the it's like someone saying, let's go for a Sunday walk. 560 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:58.920 Okay, that seems reasonable, and it sounds unusual that a person being in 561 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.400 that situation would be so compliant, but it just seemed the most natural thing 562 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.719 in the world. And again it has to do with the consciousness that these 563 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.800 beings actually possess. Well, we walked down some hallways, and as we 564 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.440 were walking through this craft, I tried to get an idea of how big 565 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.360 the craft was. I knew something had come over top of the car, 566 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.800 but I never got an idea as to how big this actual craft was. 567 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.440 In the meantime, I thought, maybe briefly, that hey, somebody back 568 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.880 in that place and that restaurant must have seen something. So as I'm walking 569 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.920 through the craft, I'm noticing that the beings in front of me are you 570 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.679 know, about three and a half feet call, and I'm looking at their 571 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.199 heads and I'm realized, you know, they're ball as you know, they're 572 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.000 as bald as billiards, you know, they but there's a little bit of 573 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:51.960 a bilobed formation to their heads, and so I wasn't sure whether or not 574 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:53.880 there was a cranial structure, and I was trying to assess, you know, 575 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:58.000 what kind of structure they actually were. But what really amazed me, 576 00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.480 what kind of struck me, was the fact that their necks were so small 577 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.519 compared to the size of their heads. And I thought, good God, 578 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.760 I said, you know, it's as if, if you know, gave 579 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:09.880 one a shot in the side of the head, it would probably snap its 580 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.400 neck. That's kind of like what I thought it like. They looked extremely 581 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:21.960 fragile. Yet I also assume that maybe their internal structures were different than human 582 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:23.719 beings. You know, I just a human structure could not be like that. 583 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.480 I can assure you, you know, there's just no way not with 584 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.920 So either two things, either their internal structure was dramatically different than ours and 585 00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:35.280 the structure does support the head was different, or they worked within a different 586 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.079 gravitational field than we did. And I have to think that I didn't see 587 00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:42.239 anything that the gravitational field I was in, I didn't notice any changes to 588 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:45.960 it. So I didn't think we were either there was artificially generated or whether 589 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:51.559 we were still in you know, uh in Erris orbit or not. I 590 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.360 have no idea. In fact, I tried to look out windows and I 591 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:58.719 couldn't see any windows. There wasn't any windows. We were the wrong. 592 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:07.039 I'm like, they were essentially kind of like a beige color, and there 593 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.360 was a rib structure to them, in other words, every like a supporting 594 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:15.599 rib structure to it. So about every ten feet there'd be a slight rib 595 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.639 structure that would be And then so the walls weren't completely straight on the right. 596 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.800 On both sides there's slum somewhat concave, and the lighting was both on 597 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:30.480 the floor and on the ceiling, which had an unusual way of diffusing around 598 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:36.400 this of the concave walls essentially, so it was really brightly lit. It 599 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.159 was a very brightly lit place, and it wasn't cramped at all. It 600 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:45.159 was These halls were huge. I mean they were they were. I think 601 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.360 I was walking down one hallway it must have been at least thirty feet long, 602 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.199 and I started and wide, I'm guessing, you know, twelve feet 603 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:59.239 wide or ten feet wide. There they're really wide, and I thought to 604 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.159 myself from it, and the ceilings were quite high too, about eight foot 605 00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:06.639 ceilings. And that's when it struck me because I realized, I said, 606 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.559 only smoked. I said, you know, these beings are way too smaller 607 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.400 three and a half feet tall. I said. Here I am walking quite 608 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:19.760 comfortably. The designers of this ship did not design this ship specifically for the 609 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:24.280 purpose and habitation for these beings that were around me. They built it to 610 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:30.559 handle beings of my size. And so this suggested two conclusions. One the 611 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.679 ship was specifically, you know, built to deal with human beings, or 612 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.280 two, there were other beings on the ship where at least my size were 613 00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:44.079 bigger. I concluded at that time that the ship was probably designed with the 614 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.719 intent of dealing with human beings on a large scale. And it was pretty 615 00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:51.519 amazing. You know, when you're walking through this thing and that starts to 616 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.760 sink in, it's ominous, you know, it was just mind blowing. 617 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:01.360 When we went to a little booth, I got into a booth. They 618 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:05.119 just suggested, you know, you know, slide into this booth. I 619 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.119 get into this booth and I get hit with this light, this blast of 620 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.719 light, not comfortable. It was really uncomfortable. But I'm they never told 621 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.079 me what it was. I'm guessing it was some kind of decontamination chamber or 622 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.639 something. Then I step out of the booth. I don't look any different. 623 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:22.280 I got all my clothes on, everything else, everything's fine, you 624 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.719 know. They asked me to go to another room and change into some other 625 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:31.519 clothes, and I did, you know, just something that they suggested the 626 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:35.159 most natural thing in the world. There was actually a door I could actually 627 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.719 go in. They didn't come in with me. They left me there by 628 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.199 myself, but I believe they still exhibited some control over me. And when 629 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.599 I was done, I said, Okay, the door opens up. I 630 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.679 walk out. The two beings are there, and they walked me to a 631 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.800 number of rooms. The first room they walked me to was a fairly large 632 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:58.000 room. Actually, it's about I would say it's about two stories high. 633 00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.119 In the interior of this room with lots of them, and they asked me 634 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:08.960 to lie down on a table and I underwent some medical procedures on this table, 635 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:14.440 which included a device that was inserted through my side. And it never 636 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.719 left any scar, you know, but I completely recall the pain and the 637 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:23.079 discomfort of something being pushed into my side, and I could actually feel it 638 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:29.000 got into my abdomen, and so it actually passed through the skin tissue, 639 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:34.320 and it took some pressure to do that, but it went into my abdomen, 640 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:39.039 did something and then pulled back out, and so you know, I 641 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.519 wasn't sure what it was doing, and it wasn't explained to me what it 642 00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.880 was doing either or what they were trying to do with me. In the 643 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:51.639 meantime, I should convey to you that the way I was trying to converse 644 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:58.119 with them, I actually said, can I help you? Now? It 645 00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.920 may sound like an odd question, but I'll give you this. The frame 646 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:05.519 of mind that I was in at the time, I realized that I was 647 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.800 in a position that I couldn't control, that these beings were way more powerful 648 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:14.280 than me, and that if I was going to survive whatever was going to 649 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.960 happen, I needed to do something. When I played sports, I wasn't 650 00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.400 always the biggest guy on the field, and I always began to realize that 651 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.679 there are ways to outsmart your opponent. Right, There's ways that you can 652 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:31.239 use your intelligence and find your way to dominate your opponent or to just outsmart 653 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.519 them, you know, so you can win the game or whatever. In 654 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:36.519 this case, you know, it wasn't a whole lot different than it. 655 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.079 I realized that, look, and these guys are just bigger and bigger, 656 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.159 more powerful than you. Maybe not bigger in size, but they're just more 657 00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.239 powerful than you. They're holding all the cards. So what you need to 658 00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:46.719 do is you need to find a way to communicate with them. Number one. 659 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:50.840 Maybe I'm not looking at to outsmart them. I just try and communicate 660 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.440 with them, find out what they want, and maybe you can negotiate getting 661 00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.199 you know, out of here. You find a way to get out of 662 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:04.400 here. So I remember asking them all continually, you know what can I 663 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:06.239 help? Can I help you? You know, what are you after? 664 00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.519 And but they were very task orientated, you know, they didn't engage in 665 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:14.440 a lot of conversation with me at all. In fact, they avoided it 666 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:19.800 for the most part. Even I remember one situation where I know, I 667 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:25.199 just popped into my head right now where they finished one particular experiment that hurt 668 00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:30.559 really quite quite badly, and I got up and as we were walking to 669 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:35.440 the door, I asked them, is there anything I can do to help 670 00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:40.719 you? The question itself just staggered both of these beings. I felt like 671 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.159 I could have knocked them over with a feather. I mean, they were 672 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:49.440 completely dumbfounded by my sincerity of the question that I had given them. And 673 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:53.519 I suggest that now that what had happened is that when they'd done the same 674 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:57.840 procedure with other people, it's the last expense, you know, response they 675 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:02.480 would have ever expected from anybody, And that, you know, that just 676 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:08.679 struck me how that really happened that way. When I went into I think 677 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:13.239 one of the final rooms that I went into, it was and this is 678 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.039 the ones that I remember anyway, one of the final ones. But I 679 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:22.079 was exposed to this one room that had about seventy beds in it, and 680 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.800 on these seventy beds, about thirty of them were full of people, and 681 00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:29.719 yet the thirty were vacant, and there could have been more beds than that, 682 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.159 to be honest with you, you know, I only had a glimpse 683 00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:37.599 of it, and I remember the feeling that I don't want to be seeing 684 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:44.000 this is really what I said to myself. And the feeling that I had 685 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.199 when I was on board the ship was one thing, But the sense, 686 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:50.599 you know, and you would think that, well, seeing another human being 687 00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.480 would be something that would be good and something that would really appeal to you. 688 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.920 But in this situation, no, it wasn't that case at all. 689 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.840 When I saw these people that were helpless, lying on these tables, not 690 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.559 saying anything, they didn't they weren't struggling or anything else. They else seemed 691 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.000 to be sleeping or in some kind of coma, and these alien beings were 692 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:15.119 running in between them, moving very very fast and jerky movements, you know, 693 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:19.440 like they're very rushed about it. I remember thinking of Himsell, I 694 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.119 just don't want to be seeing this, you know. And God knows what 695 00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:24.679 I would have felt like if one of them cried out for help or something 696 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:29.159 like that. That would have been just devastating to me. So you're pretty 697 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:35.320 much afraid of what they might be doing to those people. Actually, you 698 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.519 know what would really bothered me was the fact that it was already happening and 699 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:42.760 that we didn't know about it. You know, this was back in eighty 700 00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.360 seven. I'm thinking, my god, you know, if they can do 701 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.960 this, if they can do this without us knowing, I mean, what 702 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.480 else don't I know? You know, how much of this do I not 703 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.320 know what's going on. And the other part of it came back to maybe 704 00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.320 I'm not going to get out of here, you know. Maybe I'm not 705 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.400 going to get out of here with the secret. Maybe they don't want us 706 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:04.920 to know, you know. I was really quite worried. Those were all 707 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:08.920 the things that flashed into my mind when I saw that we went through another 708 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:13.920 set of medical experiments that I ended up passing out because they were just I 709 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:19.320 think the intensity of the experience itself, or the difficulty of the medical experiment. 710 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.760 And I won't call it an experiment. I don't think that's an appropriate 711 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.800 definition for it. Actually, this was a medical procedure that was designed or 712 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:30.039 intended to change something, and so that's what they were working on. So 713 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.480 they didn't explain to me what that procedure, why they were doing it, 714 00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:39.039 but that's just my assumption on it. So after the medical procedure, I'd 715 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:42.559 passed out and I was now coming to, and I was in a room 716 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.760 and it was still a large room. I was coming to, and I 717 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:52.119 was on this bed, and I remember just this being pulling away from me 718 00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.480 as my eyes began to focus. It's the oddest sensation because my eyes were 719 00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:59.639 already open, and I was just coming to So if anybody's been out there 720 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.760 that's ever had a concussion, it's the oddest thing. If your eyes are 721 00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:07.239 open and suddenly, you know, your brain starts to function again as it 722 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:12.159 starts to refocus, and it just seems that there's a little pinholes and it's 723 00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:15.320 you know, everything kind of widens out again and then you can see quite 724 00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:19.960 clearly. So it's almost like coming through a tunnel. So as I'm as 725 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.480 I'm regaining consciousness, I look at the foot of my bed and now, 726 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:28.239 for the very first time, I see these two beings. They're dressed in 727 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.239 completely black outfits. This was different than the other beings that I'd seen, 728 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:37.119 which were dressed in either white outfits or a beige brown outfit. And they 729 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:40.320 were dressed in these jet black, i mean clear, clear of black. 730 00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:45.559 Almost looked like a shiny leather kind of black outfit. But these beings, 731 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:50.760 even though the faces were about the same, you know, the general structure 732 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.719 was the same to all the other beings. These beings were almost i'd say 733 00:53:54.760 --> 00:54:02.519 ten feet tall, maybe maybe larger. I never in my entire life had 734 00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:08.719 seen a being on two legs standing that tall ever, ever, so I'm 735 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:14.280 guessing there at least ten feet tall, maybe maybe eleven feet tall. So, 736 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:16.519 but they were skinny, you know, they were quite skinny, but 737 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:22.199 they were very tall, pretty imposing. I didn't have any shackles on me, 738 00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.199 I wasn't restrained in the bed as I was coming to. And I 739 00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:28.639 believe that they were there for the protection of the other beings around them. 740 00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:35.679 And there was another other alien being to my right. And she had a 741 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.639 feminine quality to her. She didn't have any feminine attributes, no breasts, 742 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:46.119 you know, and her her again, her body composite was anatomically similar to 743 00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:50.039 all the other ones. So I don't know why I had this idea that 744 00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:52.360 she had this feminine order, but that was my sense about her. So 745 00:54:52.440 --> 00:55:00.400 she stepped forward and she said, in a very unemotional voice, she said, 746 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:05.840 then there was a question, we don't understand your anger. Well, 747 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.039 for a second, its confused me because at that very moment, I wasn't 748 00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:12.760 angry. I'm still trying to get a sense of where I am and what's 749 00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:17.239 going on around me. And I remember pausing for a second, I'm thinking 750 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.960 what And then she stepped forward again, being more insistent and she said, 751 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:30.000 we don't understand your anger. And I'm thinking to myself, what what I'm 752 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:31.119 thinking? Oh, I'm not angry right now, but you know what, 753 00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:36.280 I sure was angry when I got on board this crowd, right, And 754 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:40.760 I think maybe that's what they're anger. Oh. Now I'm still having this 755 00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:45.760 sense that I need to communicate with them in some way and they really hadn't 756 00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.639 extended that all of leaf to me at this point, and I'm thinking, 757 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.079 I gotta do something, you know, And I thought to myself, what 758 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.119 am I I really said? Look, I'm sorry is what I wanted to 759 00:55:55.159 --> 00:56:00.239 say. I wasn't expecting it to hurt. So start over again, Like, 760 00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:04.960 let's figure out what you guys want, and I'll explain to you what 761 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.639 I need. This is kind of like how I want to go with this 762 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.079 whole whole conversation. But all I got out was well, I'm sorry, 763 00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.159 and I couldn't get the rest of it out. And I remember turning my 764 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:20.239 head to my left because this being was on my right hand side and I 765 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:23.320 was still lying down and I remember turning my head to my left trying not 766 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:28.440 to cry, and I'm thinking, you know, be strong. I don't 767 00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:30.119 don't cry. I got to get this, you know, get through this 768 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.760 thing. I didn't want to show any weakness to them at all. But 769 00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:39.599 after just another two seconds, all of a sudden, you know, I 770 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:46.199 just broke down crying. And there was this tremendous love and compassion that was 771 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:51.800 coming from this being that encouraged this, you know, and I grabbed. 772 00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.280 I came off the table and I grabbed and I hugged this being. And 773 00:56:55.320 --> 00:57:00.840 I know she looks different than human beings, but there's this intense compassion and 774 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.840 love and she I remember her whispering to me and saying this also in English. 775 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.800 She said to me, it's okay to cry. The strong ones cry, 776 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:15.199 and she wanted the shorter being. Yep, yeah, she's about well, 777 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:16.960 she was actually a little bit taller than some of the other ones. 778 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:22.039 I said, again, I think she's about four foot ten, maybe five 779 00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:24.719 to one or somewhere in that neighborhood. Yeah, maybe five feet are just 780 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:32.400 just less than five feet. So, you know, this is the entire 781 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:37.079 experience and the stress of being on the ship and all of that stuff started 782 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.800 to just you know, fade away or come out of me. I would 783 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:44.199 say, you know, it just started it was like a huge relief that 784 00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.960 started pouring out of me. And then when I started getting my composure, 785 00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:52.280 you know, because now I felt safe, you know, I actually felt 786 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:55.960 safe in that moment, and as I got my composure, it was just 787 00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.360 this It's a hard feeling to actually describe, you know. From one you 788 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.239 think you're going to die and you have no idea whether you're going to come 789 00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:06.719 out of this alive or not, and actually you're getting convinced that you're not 790 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:08.280 going to make it out of here, and then the next instant you feel 791 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:13.599 completely safe, you know, and taken care of. And it's just the 792 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:16.639 relief of that happening in such a quick way in succession. It was just 793 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:22.360 very difficult to manage emotionally. So as I spoke to her, there was 794 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.599 a sense that she knew me for a long time and that we had known 795 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:32.559 each other for quite some time. And I don't remember all everything we spoke 796 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:37.239 about. I know, we spoke at length, you know, and she 797 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:42.320 told me about certain things and stuff like this, but I can't even remember 798 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.880 to this day exactly what that was. But I do know that my next 799 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:54.079 memory was being in that amphitheater again with all these beings that I had originally 800 00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:59.119 seen, and some other ones I hadn't. There are again different sizes, 801 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.679 and some of them had different outfits. And this being that was with me. 802 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:07.280 She looked at me, and I looked at her, and with complete 803 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:13.159 sincerity, she said to me, she says, I wish I could stand 804 00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:16.239 beside you to face the things you're going to have to face. And I 805 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:20.599 just shrugged my shoulders and I said, look, that's okay. I understand. 806 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:22.639 You know, you can't come to my world. I wouldn't expect you 807 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:27.280 to. And I gotta be you know, I got to find a way 808 00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:29.760 to stand on my own two feet. So I said, it's fine, 809 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:35.280 it's okay, don't worry about it. And as I you know, the 810 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:43.079 feeling in this whole place was one of joy, it was one of sadness. 811 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:47.000 It was an enormous, immense moment for them and for me, but 812 00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:52.039 I really sense it was probably more of an enormous moment for them. It 813 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.800 was as if a very special thing had happened, and an incredible thing had 814 00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:01.159 happened. So as I walked towards the car and I realized I had to 815 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.519 go, there was a sense that I got to get back to Earth now, 816 01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.360 I know, I got to get back to my home, is really 817 01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.679 what I thought. And as we walked to the car, I remember thinking, 818 01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:14.320 holy hell, you know, they're going to push me through the windshield 819 01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.920 again. And I had no intention of getting hurt again. And I remember 820 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:20.599 jumping to the front door and I grabbed hold of it and I said, 821 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:22.920 that's okay, I said, you know, I'll get myself in, you 822 01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.920 know. And I was relieved at the time, but again they get the 823 01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:29.280 being, the other being that was there just looked at me and smiled, 824 01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.119 and you know, I got myself in, put my blanket around me. 825 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:38.639 They closed the door and and then I was dropped back off into this into 826 01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:45.639 the parking lot, the same location where I had been previously, and and 827 01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:52.039 then the craft moved away the the There was a vehicle that was actually parked 828 01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.239 behind me. As I as I got out of the vehicle, and I 829 01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:59.400 was nervous, you know, I looked around in the in the sky and 830 01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:04.519 we only just when they when they put the car back. Yeah okay, 831 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:09.039 wow, yeah. Yeah. So my conscious memories, my full conscious memories 832 01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:13.639 which I was allowed to remember, and obviously I'm not telling you the whole 833 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:19.320 story about what actually happened in this experience, but the full conscious memories included 834 01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:23.440 me being taken on board the craft, being being coming back down in the 835 01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:30.360 craft, and a brief experience of hearing the echo of myself screaming, which 836 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:35.320 was pretty unusual. But all these memories were selected for a very very particular 837 01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:39.039 reason, and it became evident that, you know, they wanted me to 838 01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:43.039 know that they existed. They wanted me to know that they exist in my 839 01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.119 life like they do for millions and millions of other people, and that they 840 01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:51.559 are engaged in some form now of I believe it's an intervention would be best 841 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:57.159 described, and there they do have this intervention going on, but their desire 842 01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.719 is is to have a relationship with humanity, and that's not just with me, 843 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:06.199 you know, it's with everybody. I don't feel special, you know, 844 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:07.559 in any way after this experience, I really don't. I mean, 845 01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:14.840 I understand that it's a different experience than other people have had in their lives, 846 01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:17.400 but I don't feel special in that sense. I just feel it's just 847 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:24.000 an experience that has enlightened me to understand that I'll never probably understand all the 848 01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:30.880 mysteries of this world. But the bigger point is is that humanity is approaching 849 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:35.400 a very very difficult time in its evolutionary process, and that these beings are 850 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:38.000 here trying to help us. They're struggling with that, we're struggling with it, 851 01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:42.159 trying to figure out what they're doing and what kind of relationship they want 852 01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.480 with us, and how are we going to contend with what's going to be 853 01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:50.000 happening in the very near future. I think that these are all phenomenally huge 854 01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:53.679 questions for not just this survival of humanity, but maybe the survival of countless 855 01:02:53.679 --> 01:03:00.280 other species on this planet. But there's an enormous ruggle going on right now 856 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:05.639 that I think a lot of people have picked up on and have decided that 857 01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.440 this is something that's important that we really need to put some resources towards to 858 01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:13.000 have a better understanding about it. When you got out of the car, 859 01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.239 did you kind of look around and like you had thought about before, suspecting 860 01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:22.719 someone had seen you or seen this experience, you know, I thought that 861 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:24.559 maybe there'd be people running around the parking lot, you know, and there'd 862 01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:29.079 be chaos and stuff like that. And I get out and it's a quiet 863 01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:32.440 night, and the only sound I heard was the combination of the mosquitoes buzzing 864 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:39.679 around my head and in this transport truck that had parked itself right behind my 865 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:44.440 vehicle, which was not the park which was not an allocated parking stall, 866 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:51.559 which prevented anybody from the restaurant from seeing what was going to happen in this 867 01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:53.719 parking lot, Like if my car disappeared, they weren't going to see it. 868 01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:59.519 I've also come to understand that, you know, they have this ability 869 01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:02.000 to float themselves in ways, and we have this on video footage as well, 870 01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:05.639 that you know, they can find ways to cloak themselves in a way 871 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:11.000 that would allow them to do things without us to actually visually being able to 872 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:15.440 see them. So, you know, I think they influenced the driver of 873 01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.400 this cab, who may not have any recollection of what he did or what 874 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:23.880 he did, but he just influenced this driver suggested that he parked his rig 875 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.679 in this location and then take a few maybe go to sleep, I don't 876 01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:33.159 know. And that's what they did. And so you know, it was 877 01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:35.639 carefully planned. It was well thought out in their part. You know, 878 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:40.599 it wasn't just by an accident. Type of thing. This is something that 879 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:46.039 had every component of a very carefully structured, well thought out plan that was 880 01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:51.960 detailed, orientated, and well executed. Actually, so then you have to 881 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:59.119 go back to your normal life. You're an administrator in the health industry or 882 01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:02.159 in the in a health and safety field, yeah, you know. We 883 01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:09.480 Yes, I'm an executive director currently for Health and Safety Association that takes into 884 01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:14.599 a part about sixty two thousand workers. So it's a large organization and we 885 01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.159 have a large responsibility. And I also work with the provincial governments up here, 886 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:23.519 so I work with government and industry as well. So what does this 887 01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.519 mean for me? Well, back in nineteen eighty seven, I wasn't going 888 01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:30.280 to go public with this at all. I knew that I didn't have a 889 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.239 UFO in my hand or you know, a space alien gun that I could 890 01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:40.320 show anybody to prove to them that this experience was true or that this experience 891 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.719 was real. I do have some other ideas about how we could go about 892 01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:46.360 proving it, but I'll leave that firm maybe not discussion. But the point 893 01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:53.960 is is that I really knew that I would sound absolutely borderline psychotic if I 894 01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.880 was to tell anybody about this experience, and this is what I concluded. 895 01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.840 So I thought to myself, you know, I'm going to try and deal 896 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:02.880 with this on my own without telling anybody. Well that lasted about a week. 897 01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:06.840 You know, I finally had to tell my sister, and I remember 898 01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:11.000 trying to talk to her about it. I remember breaking down and crying over 899 01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:15.519 just a little bit because it's just just so shattering to me. But you 900 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:19.800 know, once I got my composure, I really decided that maybe what I'm 901 01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:23.880 going to do is try and understand this phenomenon the best way that I can. 902 01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:28.679 Try and understand what's happening to all of us and how it's occurring in 903 01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.800 our society. Learned as much as I can in the meantime, you know, 904 01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:35.519 not talk not republic about my experience, not talk about it to anybody, 905 01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:39.280 and just keep it as a very private experience. And this went on 906 01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:42.239 for years and years. You know, I got married, raised two children. 907 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.039 You know, we were even careful about telling the children about the UFO 908 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:48.960 phenomenon. I think kids have enough growing enough challenges in their life growing up, 909 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:51.559 then having their parents come in and say, guess what, you know, 910 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:56.840 aliens are real and they do have that's just too much for a five 911 01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:00.480 or six seven year old. So we didn't tell the kids until eighteen and 912 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.920 nineteen. You know, I set them down and both myself and my wife 913 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:10.159 actually talk to them about it because later on, and this is a complex 914 01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:13.840 story, later on, you know, my wife had a very brief encounter 915 01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:17.440 with myself there. So you know, these things are very conscious, I 916 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:21.199 believe, of our social relationships with each other, and they hold a lot 917 01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:28.880 of importance to those relationships, and they don't really want to upset the people 918 01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:32.280 they're contacting with in such a way that these people become no longer you know, 919 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.760 effective members of society look good at that way. In other words, 920 01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:39.880 they don't go crazy. So but it's a struggle. I mean, it's 921 01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:44.039 not an easy experience. But at some point in time, obviously I decided, 922 01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:45.280 hey, you know what, maybe I'm going to write a book about 923 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.679 this. And I was driven to write the book not from my own personal 924 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:53.079 game, because I never wanted this to be about me. I wanted this 925 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:56.840 to be about all of us and how we can learn from this and how 926 01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:00.079 we should be addressing this phenomena, And also driven to it because I thought 927 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.599 that there was a lot of misinformation that was out there and there. You 928 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:10.079 know, even people who may have encountered or an abduction or abduction experiences are 929 01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:14.400 very reluctant, you know now, to go public because we've had some pretty 930 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:18.319 serious accusations being laid against some people who have these encounter experiences, and you 931 01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:20.159 know, they've never been held in a good light, you know, And 932 01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:23.920 somebody wonder to you is you know, maybe these people need to get their 933 01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:28.439 medication in order, you know, and they've been really portrayed in that way. 934 01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:31.880 And I think that maybe my role now, at least part of my 935 01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:34.640 role is saying, look, you know what, you can have a professional 936 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:38.600 career, You can actually have a marriage these days. My god, you 937 01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:42.560 know we've married over twenty years, and you can have a sustainable relationship with 938 01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:47.119 your kids and your family and still have these experiences. What a bad thing? 939 01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:50.319 Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, what would you 940 01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:54.960 say to those people? Because there aren't quite a few, you know, 941 01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.520 we had Well, I actually did an interview of many years ago at Daryl 942 01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:01.399 sims By. I just put it on the show not too long ago. 943 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:11.880 But the people who are very upset about being an abductee and having these experiences 944 01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:17.479 and not feeling betrayed or lied to, and that it's a much more ominous 945 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:23.000 type of thing going on. Oh, I'm sure you've had people come to 946 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:28.479 you about that. Yeah, you know. And here's the way I understand 947 01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:33.840 the phenomenay from my experience. It is not these things intention to be intrusive 948 01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:39.399 or to be hurtful in any way. But we're dealing with a crisis in 949 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:43.359 which humanity may not survive, and it's a crisis of humanity is doing, 950 01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:46.760 not these aliens. So you know, if it's like going to the dentist 951 01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:49.920 and someone I got into discussion with somebody and they said, well, if 952 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.960 they hurt you, they're bad. I said, well, that's a good 953 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:55.640 philosophy, except it doesn't work when I go to the dentist. You know, 954 01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.560 Like should I kill my dentist because you know, should I hate my 955 01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.760 dentist or to hurt my dentist because he hurts me. No, But I 956 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:05.119 understand why I'm going to the dentist. If you're going to an emergency room 957 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:10.960 and doctors, it's the same thing in this situation. You know, it's 958 01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:15.680 more complex, But I think we have to be able to look at it 959 01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.880 in a different light when we saw the work that had been done by Johnny 960 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:27.520 Mack from the Harvard Psychiatrist. It's a Harvard professor psychiatrist that did some absolute 961 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:33.199 groundbreaking research in this area. And his conclusion is from the work that he 962 01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:39.359 did, it is completely consistent with my experience, which would suggest that well 963 01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:42.199 at least a good portion of the people he was dealing with, that he 964 01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:47.239 would conclude, our sane, ordinary people just going through extraordinary experiences have been 965 01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:53.399 able to find a way to actually deal with these experiences in a reasonable way. 966 01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:57.640 The other part of it is, though, and I'm not going to 967 01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:03.800 dismiss people who are having negative experiences all together, sometimes psychiatrists and psychologists have 968 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:08.760 done more harm than good in this field. You know, these beings have 969 01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:14.800 actually created memory screens to protect individuals, and what psychologists and some psychologists that 970 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:15.920 says, well, you know what, in order for me to help you, 971 01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.119 let's find out what's going on. By the first thing I'm going to 972 01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:21.279 do is remove these memory screens, which oh, by the way, were 973 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:26.840 actually put there intentionally to protect you. But I'm going to remove them and 974 01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:29.319 then see what happens, and see what we find out, you know, 975 01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:32.479 and when you do that, you may expose memories that are going to be 976 01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:38.439 very destructive to the individual and very hurtful, and that may not be in 977 01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:44.159 the best interest of that individual's both psychological health and spiritual health. Yeah, 978 01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:48.800 I've heard of a person who, you know, did a regression, was 979 01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:55.840 able to remember. Stephane couldn't before and remembered a conversation with the being that 980 01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:58.960 had a detective to him, and he said, I'm going to remember that. 981 01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:00.680 I'm going to make sure I remember, and they're like, no, 982 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.159 we're going to make it so you don't. And he's think, I'm going 983 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:08.920 to and then well, why why because we're going to cover up some bad 984 01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:13.079 death, so, you know, for your benefit. Yes, you know, 985 01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:16.800 and this is not actually a new phenomena. Back in nineteen sixty two, 986 01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:20.520 in the Betty and Barney Hill case, Yeah, the being actually talked 987 01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:23.439 to Betty and said, okay, I want you to forget it, and 988 01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:26.039 Betty was insistent, oh, I'm going to remember this. Yeah, and 989 01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:29.479 the beings response was well, and he kind of laughed and he said, 990 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:32.560 well, I hope you don't. You know, I know this is a 991 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:38.479 radical approach in some ways to rethinking about how we should be looking at the 992 01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:42.359 phenomena. But it's difficult, you know, for us who are so curious 993 01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:44.760 at times, and I'm as curious as anybody saying, nah, you know 994 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:47.880 what, let's just speed ahead and frankre out what's going on by uncovering these 995 01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:53.239 horrible memories that were actually intended to actually be protect them. You know, 996 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.399 the reason why I had some of the conscious memories I did in that little 997 01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:59.520 Echo of Me screen but with no sense of pain, was because it was 998 01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:01.399 a warning. And said, Jim, you know what, we really really 999 01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:05.199 don't want you to remember some of these experiences because they're going to be difficult 1000 01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:09.239 to remember and then not going to be good for you. You know, 1001 01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:11.279 we don't think it's going to be good in the long rune for you, 1002 01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:15.680 and we're really trying to protect you. So you know, we just don't 1003 01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:17.840 see it in that light. Right, It's not in our I don't know, 1004 01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:21.640 maybe it's not in our psychic makeup or whatever. But I'm just Scott 1005 01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:25.640 stubborn, you know. And I said I'm going to charge forward. I'm 1006 01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:29.479 glad I did, but I wouldn't recommend it for everybody. You know, 1007 01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:32.760 I think that we have to maybe construct a new approach to dealing with the 1008 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:39.319 phenomenon and in fact maybe opening up a way that we can communicate better with 1009 01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:42.680 these beings, because if we're looking at a relationship right now, we'll call 1010 01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:47.119 it strained at best, but we I think we need to put things in 1011 01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:53.960 place that we can help educate those who haven't had encounters yet but might or 1012 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:59.319 will, and essentially educate everybody as to what we know is happening, what's 1013 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:03.319 going on, and maybe even developer programs and systems and educational programs that can 1014 01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:08.840 actually help people cope with such experiences in the future so they won't be negatively 1015 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:12.520 affected by them. Well, and you had mentioned communicating better, and that 1016 01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:15.439 would probably be That would be a question that others would have it. Why 1017 01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:20.359 do they need to do their work and such a clandestine manager, Why wouldn't 1018 01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:23.600 they just be able to talk to us, or like you said, why 1019 01:14:23.680 --> 01:14:30.880 didn't they just come open the door? Yeah, it seems that they are. 1020 01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:33.119 Well, it's complicated, but I'm trying to I'll do my best explainer. 1021 01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:38.880 Number One, they're so different than us that they have concluded that a 1022 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:43.279 direct contact with us would not be in the best interest for either party, 1023 01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.600 and particularly I believe it would be harmful to us. I don't know why 1024 01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:51.520 that is, but that's what they've concluded. Secondly, that they're not interested 1025 01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:56.880 in every single human being. They believe that they can have a better relationship 1026 01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:01.279 with particular human beings so that they are drawn to awards individuals rather than mass 1027 01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:06.359 groups. In other words, they have a propensity to seek out individuals rather 1028 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:13.159 than seek out government organizations or any particular organization. That's just the way it 1029 01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:16.720 is. The other part of the reason why, I believe is because humanity 1030 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:25.199 has to engage itself in finding its own path. They don't really want to 1031 01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:30.960 be perceived as the saviors, you know. They want humanity to save humanity. 1032 01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:33.560 They think that if humanity needs and they're going to have a relationship with 1033 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:36.920 us in the future, humanity has to grow up. And part of that 1034 01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.880 growing up means that we have to feel that we can stand on our own 1035 01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:45.800 two feet, because they are about to destroy ourselves. I mean, it's 1036 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.279 that what they film. Yeah, I think that's their sense. They sense 1037 01:15:48.319 --> 01:15:53.680 that a really, very very difficult time is coming in the very near future, 1038 01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:57.720 within my lifetime, within probably the lifetime of all the listeners that are 1039 01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:01.199 out there, and that's what their senses, and so they're being very clandestine, 1040 01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.640 you know, they're trying to work in the background. Will know what 1041 01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:09.439 they're doing a little bit more in the future. But I think that's that's 1042 01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:12.079 the reason why they've approached it the way they have, and they're giving us 1043 01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.439 time to i'd say, come to terms with the fact that they exist. 1044 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:20.039 We're frustrated because we got so many different ideas about it, and we don't 1045 01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:24.560 seem to have good information on it, and we're really struggling in that process. 1046 01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:27.439 But I think it's just all a process. You know, we'll get 1047 01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:30.359 to it one day, but you know, we just need to persevere, 1048 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:34.600 I believe. And what in your book, one of the questions it says 1049 01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:39.880 you tackle is how the government is responding to all of it, and what 1050 01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:45.319 do you believe they really know? And how would you have put that answer 1051 01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:50.039 in that chain? Well, you know what, it's simple question, but 1052 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:55.039 it's difficult to answer in a sense that much of the government doesn't know anything 1053 01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:59.680 about it. And when we mentioned government, government is a complex organization. 1054 01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:05.000 I work both with federal, state, provincial, municipal governments most of my 1055 01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.840 life, and it comes with the kind of business that I do, both 1056 01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:15.239 in emergency planning and disaster planning and just health and safety programs in general as 1057 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:20.159 well. And what I've seen is that some government agencies don't talk to other 1058 01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:27.119 government agencies, and in this case, the elected officials are often out of 1059 01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:30.960 the loop. They don't know what's going on with the UFO phenomena. Some 1060 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:36.000 parts of the military obviously do, and which militaries know more. Everybody looks 1061 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:42.239 towards the US as probably being the military power of the world that knows more 1062 01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:46.079 about the UFO phenomena than anybody. And there's been some suggestions that anybody that's 1063 01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:51.000 been involved with NASA over the years may have a better understanding about the presence 1064 01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:55.520 of the extraterrestials. I'd have to conclude they're probably right on that one as 1065 01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:57.399 well. I mean, we just have to look at some of the statements 1066 01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:00.840 that have come back from some of the astronauts. So what does that really 1067 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:05.760 mean. It means that our elected officials are really reluctant currently to step forward 1068 01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:11.600 and tackle the UFO problem and issue. It's not going to get them any 1069 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.319 additional votes or put them into power. You know, maybe I should say 1070 01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:16.680 it's going to give them some additional votes, but it's going to lose them 1071 01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:21.159 more than they're going to gain. And when they're after credibility in the election 1072 01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:28.079 process, it's very difficult for them to jump on that particular bandwagon. So 1073 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:30.760 where does that leave us? Well, that leaves us, I believe when 1074 01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:34.680 we look at Arizona, for example, and the issues that happened with the 1075 01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:40.479 governor when they had dismass UFO sighting, there's a lot to learn from that 1076 01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:43.880 process. And what we find is a state government that has been let down 1077 01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:48.279 by the federal government, that has found itself on its own dealing with the 1078 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:57.239 UFO phenomenon without any external force coming forwards and providing them some kind of assistance. 1079 01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:01.600 And how do I engage the public in a responsible way to deal with 1080 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:05.760 a situation that I have not been briefed on, that there's no presidence for 1081 01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:13.039 and that I'm frankly only understand that my role is to ensure that the public 1082 01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:15.920 doesn't panic. And when you put all of those factors together, you get 1083 01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:20.680 somebody who walks out in a space alien costume and they all make fun of 1084 01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:24.960 it and let's get on with it, guys. You know, that's it. 1085 01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:28.600 I think that there's a much better way to approach it. I know 1086 01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.359 there's a much better way to approach it because we have a lot of research, 1087 01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:38.000 scientific work that's been done with everything from dirty bombs going off to biological 1088 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:42.439 weapons. We know how to address the public in difficult situations. We know 1089 01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:46.840 how to address the public and how it should be done to avoid panic. 1090 01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:50.720 And in fact, we know by all research that's been done that panic is 1091 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:59.640 absolutely not going to happen, particularly when it's when information is provided by the 1092 01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:03.000 government in a very candid way, you know, And that's when we have 1093 01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.680 over If you go to the UK, over eighty percent of the population in 1094 01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:11.720 the UK believes that extraterrestrials are already here in visiting Earth. Well, they're 1095 01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.359 not panicking, you know. So if eighty percent of the population already believes 1096 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.279 the UFO phenomena is reel, how come there's no panic? You know. 1097 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:21.399 And if you go to the North America, you can argue in different you 1098 01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:26.079 know, whether it's fifty one percent or fifty percent or what sixty percent? 1099 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:29.720 Anyway, a good portion of the population already believes the farm or president, 1100 01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:32.560 then there's no panic. So we have to I think, move the governments 1101 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:39.600 past this idea of panic, but show them away of encouraging. I guess 1102 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:42.039 they're going to have to build trust. It's going to be a difficult road 1103 01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:45.239 for them to hope, but at some point in time they're going to have 1104 01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:47.079 to deal with it. Yeah, we're running out of time. But I 1105 01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:53.359 do want to ask you were taken on board and medical procedures were done, 1106 01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:58.880 or like you said, changes of some sort. How do you think that 1107 01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:01.960 these changes made to you? What do you feel is the nature of them, 1108 01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:10.039 and how will they help humanity? I think that when I look at 1109 01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:13.079 myself from where I was back in nineteen eighty seven to where I am now, 1110 01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:15.760 I'd have to say, you know, I'm much more at peace in 1111 01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:18.640 my life than I've ever been previously. I'm not sure if that it was 1112 01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:27.479 them or something, but I believe what we're looking at is and from their 1113 01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:31.359 perspective, is that humanity has an imbalance, and that imbalance is created from 1114 01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:41.720 their swelling technological development and our retarded spiritual growth, and that imbalance is going 1115 01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:44.640 to create a major problem for the future. So the only way to correct 1116 01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:51.119 this imbalance is to ensure that that spiritual development at least matches our technological development, 1117 01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:55.600 in other words, it improves. So I believe there's something that they're 1118 01:21:55.680 --> 01:22:02.079 doing that's going to encourage a radical spirit tool shift in a great segment of 1119 01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:06.239 the population at a specific time. I just don't know when that time is 1120 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:10.279 going to be, or how it's going to occur, or how dramatic that 1121 01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:13.479 is going to be. But if we need to put resources, that would 1122 01:22:13.520 --> 01:22:17.319 be something that we really should be looking into. M And then finally, 1123 01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:23.319 now that you know, being a professional and an administrator and an important field 1124 01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:28.560 where you deal with governments and everything, have you gotten any negative feedbacks? 1125 01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:33.600 How are people reacting in your colleagues and everything and family to you coming out 1126 01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:38.119 and writing your book and everything. Well, you know, I talked to 1127 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:40.760 my family about it before I went and wrote the books, and made sure 1128 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:43.399 everybody was going to be kosher with what I was going to be doing. 1129 01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:45.239 I explained to them that there were going to be some risks in it, 1130 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:50.119 but I felt that it was important for me to take those risks, and 1131 01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:54.199 they concurred with it. You know, the biggest person in my life is 1132 01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:58.000 my family and my wife, and I just didn't want to make you know, 1133 01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.479 she says to me, She said, Jim, I just don't want 1134 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:02.600 anybody to hurt you, you know, because you're a good person, and 1135 01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:05.520 I just I couldn't stand by and see that happen. She goes, I 1136 01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:08.880 just don't want that to happen. She goes, I know you can take 1137 01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.600 care of yourself, but that's the thing that would bother her the most. 1138 01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:15.199 But once she got over that, you know, she realized how important it 1139 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:18.199 was for me, she was okay with it. And since that period of 1140 01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:24.319 time, you know, we've had more support than we've ever had negative comments. 1141 01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:27.039 I mean, for the odd for every one negative comment I get, 1142 01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:31.159 I must get you know, fifties fifty kudos or you know, fifty situations 1143 01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:35.000 where people are just interested to know more. They want to know how I 1144 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:38.840 got involved with this, what do I know about it? What am I 1145 01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:41.960 you know, what am I doing in this area? And I think that 1146 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.920 has been the most remarkable aspect to all of this. You know, just 1147 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:50.319 how supportive people really have been about the work that I've been doing. Well, 1148 01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:56.560 that's great. You know, I'm an optimist, of course I I 1149 01:23:57.079 --> 01:24:00.760 but it's always difficult with all the information going around. So the scenario you 1150 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:08.119 present here is certainly something that I hope to be the case. And it 1151 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:11.199 has been a great talking to you, And of course I think we could 1152 01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:14.600 easily go on another hour, two, three, four or five, So 1153 01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:17.800 we'll definitely have to have you on again sometime. But thank you so much 1154 01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:21.439 for coming on and sharing your story. Well, thank you so much for 1155 01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:26.800 having me on. And I think this is one of these wonderful opportunities and 1156 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:30.359 presented itself to humanity. I think we're born into an incredible age and I 1157 01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:34.760 really don't want us to mess up this opportunity, and I think we're going 1158 01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:38.760 to be able to make it. I really do well. And thank you 1159 01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:42.239 again. Yeah, I figure, you know, people like you and being 1160 01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:47.000 open to that there is an interaction occurring, I think makes us lucky. 1161 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:54.520 And to be able to just recognize that we're in an important period of humanity 1162 01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:58.279 future or history. You know, we're at the cutting edge. You know, 1163 01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:00.640 we should expect it to be difficult. We should expect us to be 1164 01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:04.359 a very very difficult time. It's not going to be easy, but I 1165 01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:10.279 really do believe we have courageous people like yourself and like a number of other 1166 01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:13.520 people that I've met that I just didn't even I wasn't even aware of earlier 1167 01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:15.000 that I think we're gonna be able to make it. I think we are 1168 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:17.920 going to be able to pull this off, and I really do. I'm 1169 01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:24.479 an eternal optimist, and I think that's gonna happen. Well, alberta UFO 1170 01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:30.479 Study Group is your group, and at which is a UFO SG dot com, 1171 01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.079 and that's where people looks like can get your books and find out more 1172 01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:35.920 about you. Absolutely, all right, great, well, thank you so 1173 01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:44.239 much, Thank you again, and keep up the great work. So we're 1174 01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:48.119 gonna make it. People. Jim is optimistic, and I hope he's right 1175 01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:55.600 that we're gonna make it. Of Course, every day we struggle and struggle 1176 01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:59.119 and things look kind of rough, but of course that's if you watch the 1177 01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:03.840 news, because the news is so negative and awful and looking at the bad 1178 01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:09.479 side. But hopefully he's right. Hopefully you know, things are better off 1179 01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:14.119 than sometimes they look to be. And I know there are probably some of 1180 01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:16.800 you out there that well, there's always that's the case. Some people who 1181 01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:23.039 don't agree with what he has to say, some who do, but regardless, 1182 01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:27.479 you know, I think it's really interesting to hear these stories, especially 1183 01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:31.560 from someone like him who's a professional who works around, you know, different 1184 01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:40.560 professors and things like that, and to be bold enough to put his career 1185 01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:45.439 at stake, really even to come out and talk about this stuff is really 1186 01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:49.800 interesting. And of course, why would someone do that if they didn't really 1187 01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:56.920 believe what they had experience was real. So a pretty incredible experience that he 1188 01:26:56.960 --> 01:27:00.880 outlines there, and I think some people out there who are listening probably feel 1189 01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:05.239 they may have had a similar experience. So, like you heard him say, 1190 01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:11.640 his website is a UFO SG some of our good buddies up there in 1191 01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:19.119 Canada. I've always found people in Canada to be very friendly. His organization 1192 01:27:19.239 --> 01:27:25.600 is the Alberta UFO Study Group. And talking about friendly, good people from 1193 01:27:25.640 --> 01:27:29.079 other countries, I do want to say I love the UK. I was 1194 01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:32.399 kidding around with the July fourth stuff. Somebody, a British person said, 1195 01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:36.039 why are you making fun of people in the UK. I was making fun 1196 01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:40.920 of you know, while we blow stuff up on July fourth, And maybe 1197 01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:45.000 it was so we could scare away the British and hut, you know, 1198 01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:47.720 so they don't come back. It was I was just kidding. I love 1199 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:55.439 my British listeners as well as my Canadian listeners. I get excited to talk 1200 01:27:55.479 --> 01:27:59.920 to you, just like I'm excited to talk to all of our speakers anyway. 1201 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:02.399 But what I was getting at this book by Jim Maroney UFOs and Aliens. 1202 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:04.760 It's not just by him. There are lots of people who wrote in 1203 01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:10.800 there. Eric Bondanagin, Nick Pope wrote in there, Stanton Friedman like I 1204 01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:15.439 had mentioned, and many others. I haven't read it or gotten a copy 1205 01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:19.880 yet, but I've heard some really good things. And Jim Maroney actually wrote 1206 01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:25.439 in this book as well, so it looks really interesting. And he also 1207 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:29.800 has the Extraterrestrial Answer Book which he wrote, which only just came out last 1208 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:33.880 year. So if you want to hear more about Jim's experiences and what he 1209 01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:41.119 fills is going on with this abduction stuff, then check out his book. 1210 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:45.840 And it certainly sounds very positive, and I hope it to be the case. 1211 01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:50.479 Otherwise, for the rest of you, friends, I'm not quite sure 1212 01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:55.600 who I'm going to have on next week get I'm pretty sure, but I've 1213 01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.920 got to confirm that next week. Anyways, you can be sure it's going 1214 01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:03.000 to be awesome. Dude. Check out our Open Minds TV, Twitter, 1215 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:13.439 my Paranormal RPTR, Paranormal rp TR Paranormal Reporter. 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