Maybe Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the
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your host, Alejandro Roja or La me Migo sit is I Alejandro Rojas once
again talking to UFOs with your people, UFOs and aliens. Today we have
a great show. Today's show, we've got Jim Moroney on. And I
first heard from about him from nobody out there in La move On Steve Morillo,
who usually listens Yo Steve. Anyway, he told me, Hey,
this guy came to speak at La Mofon. He was great, you guys
should have him on the show and everything. And so coincidentally he emailed a
couple of weeks ago and I said, hey, would you like to be
on the show. I've heard that you have some interesting things to say?
And indeed he does. He had his own abduction experience years ago, and
since he feels that he has been able to get of sense on why abductions
are happening, why we have extraterrestrial visitations, and he's going to share all
of that with us here this evening. I know you're getting really excited,
and that's good because it's going to be great. He's also actually an administrator
in the health and safety field, so he's a professional, and he kind
of talks about what that's like, you know, being a professional and having
these experiences and having to kind of not share them with your colleagues because that's
not something you want to do in a corporate environment, and especially you know,
like if you're going for a job interview, save that type of thing
till months later when you're sick, you're in the job, or you've got
a job and you're in a union, because they can't get rid of you
no matter what you could say, whatever you want ten So you gotta be
careful job interviews not to talk about your abduction experiences. But call us and
let us know because maybe we'll have you on the show so you could share
that with us. But it's a long we're going to talk to him for
quite a bit. Let's move on right away. Oh, I should mention
move on. We're going to be in move On this weekend, so you
got to come see us twenty ninth to thirty. First. We'll be there,
uh Friday morning at our vendor table in Fresne, California. Go to
move on dot com for more information. Ervine, California. Did I say
Fresne, Irvine, California? I always say Fresne for some reason. But
we'll be in Irvine, OC. Baby. But let's get some news going
because we have you already heard him are excellent news correspondent Jason mcclennan is here
with us to tell us all about the UFO news for the week. Jason,
give us some info there, I certainly will. Alejandro, I've got
your news. This is your Open Minds News brief for Monday, July twenty
fifth, twenty eleven. Fisher Atlantis departed from the International Space Station last week
and returned to Earth on Thursday morning, marking the end of NASA Space Shuttle
program, which made lots of people cry and go, oh, we're not
going to space anymore. So if NASA isn't wasting any time, the organization
is already working on a solution to launch humans back into space as soon as
possible. According to the Huffington Post, a partnership was announced last Monday between
NASA and Colorado based United Launch Alliance, also known as ULA. The tools
share data as NASA evaluates ULA's Atlas five rocket to determine whether or not the
rocket can safely launch a mancraft into space. The Denver Post reports that if
human certification is determined and Atlas five powered, private spacecraft could be launched by
mid decade. And that's according to Edmengo, program director of NASA's Commercial Crew
Development Program. NASA already has a contract with another rocket company, and we
talked about this last week with space X. NASA is going full steam ahead,
working with several companies to ensure the exploration of the universe moves forward.
But if the Denver Post points out, ULA is the first rocket company to
join NASA in studying the capabilities and limitations of its vehicles. So they're really
getting wrapped up with ULA, whereas with SpaceX they're providing some funding and they
want to use their rockets, but they're not taking an active role in the
study and development of the rockets. Yeah, it looks like they're really kind
of playing the field right now and trying to get an idea of what's next.
Although they did say, you know, they're sending what another rover out
to Mars to where they think there might be life and that they're flying around
these asteroids. We've gotten some pictures lately of that, trying to show that
they're still busy and up to something. But they're up to a lot.
They've got so many missions lined up, and you're right, they are certainly
covering their bases and getting involved with it. Seems like absolutely everybody who's in
the game now. The pictures have the asteroids are really neat too, right,
because these things are fairly decent size, and they're you know, they're
big, it looks like, and they've talked about landing on there and people
landing on there and walking around. I mean, these things well a few
hundred miles wide, which is fairly big. I mean, you can walk
around on that kind of be weird, but it is kind of exciting,
extremely exciting. In other space related news story, Musgrave, who flew on
six Shuttle missions, believes extraterrestrial life is out there. Apollo astronaut edgar Mitchell
also believes in extraterrestrials and believes they are here on Earth. Muskrave, however,
doesn't share that belief, as he explained to the Huffington Post. Some
astronauts have been quoted as saying they think they're aliens out there. I've seen
their evidence, and for me it's not evidence. But he goes on to
explain I feel they're everywhere out there and they're doing interstellar travel. We'll think
differently about ourselves once we accept that. Musgrave will be the keynotes speaker this
week at the forty second annual move On Symposium in Irvine, California. The
theme of this year's symposium is eat Contact the Implications for Science and Society.
Muskraw have recently described his upcoming presentation to The Huffington Post. I'm going to
tell them that for me and my interpretation of everything that's come my way,
I cannot arrive at the idea that we have been visited, either in the
past or now. Move On is the largest UFO research organization in the world,
and the forty second annual move On Symposium, as Alejandro already stated,
runs from July twenty ninth through the thirty first Come see Us. There's already
been people voicing their frustration about having a keynote speaker who's a skeptic when it
comes to UFOs, and I can definitely see that point. Maybe he wasn't
best for keynote. The other thing is it's right after a banquet, if
people have food on the table. If he really gets skeptic and says UFOs
aren't real, it's food fight and you've got some food, do you think
you might be tempted to throw food at him? Food fight? It's food
fight city, and I know he's going to talk about it. Seemed some
edgar Mitchell type stuff, although Egger's only heard accounts. But what about Gordon
Cooper? Gordon Cooper chased UFOs in a jet plane while he was in the
Air Force and saw UFO had film of a UFO landing in a dry lake
bed. We don't know for sure what he's going to say, but from
what from his statements, it certainly sounds like he's going to call out some
of these other astronauts and kind of poop poo their claims. Yeah, well
might be food fight. That'd be fun, big UFO food fight. You're
right, even if I doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with what he's
saying. If people start throwing food, I'll probably throw food too. Yeah,
to play along, I'm gonna antake a nice of person sitting next to
me saying, man, I'll probably just throw a food at you just because
you better throw food at this guy. Yes, here's some pretty cool news
from last week. The state of New Hampshire erected a historical marker last Wednesday
to commemorate the Betty and Barney Hill incident that occurred in nineteen sixty one,
the first publicized alien abduction incident in the United States. The Hill's knees Kathleen
Martin, was instrumental in convincing the New Hampshire Division of Historical Resources to erect
the historical marker. This marker is located near the Indian Head Resort where Betty
and Barney encountered a UFO. The sign on the marker reads, on the
night of September nineteen, Dash twenty, nineteen sixty one, Portsmouth, New
Hampshire, coupled Betty and Barney Hill experienced a close encounter with an unidentified flying
object and two hours of lost time while driving south on Route three near Lincoln.
They filed an official Air Force Project Blue Book report for brightly lit cigar
shaped craft the next day, but were not public with their story until it
was leaked to The Boston Traveler in nineteen sixty five. This was the first
widely reported UFO abduction report in the United States, and Kathleen Martin really helped
with all of the wordage there, and she had to go through quite a
process to get this thing pushed forward. So it's awesome that they actually put
this thing up and Betty and Barney Hills extra trust. Real encounter is the
subject of many books, as well as a nineteen seventy five TV movie,
The UFO Incident, starring James Earl Jones. And I think I was very
honored that she sent us the article that we put up and we got it
at first. Have a wonderful article by Kathleen Martin on our website right now,
yep, on this whole how this whole process came to be. She's
a wonderful person. I love her to dad. She's going to be at
move on, So I'm excited to see her again, absolutely well. Residents
of a Chinese village encountered what they believed to be an extraterrestrial creature last week.
The creature was spotted eating cucumbers from a garden. How dare he?
The creature, according to the website io nine dot Com, was spotted by
a witness, and the witness explained at first I thought it was a rabbit.
Then I was shocked to see it had an alien face. But the
creature turned out to be a malnourished monkey who was losing his hair. He's
a strange looking monkey. I don't know that I would mistake him for an
extra terrestrial. He's cute, though, I think, uh, yeah,
we've seen in the past monkey's mistaken for I love extraterrestrials, but yeah,
I mean, you know, we've seen this misidentification before. Aside from from
extraterrestrials, you see it a lot with chupacabras. Yep, even this week.
Yeah, exactly. I think that's a mangchi coyote, either mangy coyotes
or malnurished dogs or the hairless dogs, you know, and people aren't used
to seeing them, so it could be a hairless dog that's also malnourished.
It looks kind of weird, and of course, you know, as I've
told you the older accounts and the pictures that we see of chop of cabra,
it kind of has this spiky hair thing like you've got going on,
not like a mangy hairless coyote, right, which looks very different than the
traditional idea. Although you know whatever, especially when they started when lots of
animals were being killed and their blood with being sucked. It could be a
cryptozoological thing. Where's an animal we haven't discovered yet, And maybe it does
look canine somehow. But also with that that depiction of the spiky hair.
You know the hairless dogs. They vary, but typically they have no hair
on their bodies, but they have this little mohawk on the top and taft.
Yeah, so you see a lot of those pictures and you can identify
the dog, but people aren't used to seeing them. Yeah, it's I
identification. Just like with the monkey, poor monkey, little part. I
hope they let him keep it. It doesn't sound like they killed him.
This one lady said she was adamant about the police coming and arresting the little
guy. But I don't think they did. I think that he didn't apparently
create commit any crimes, and animals usually don't. They steal food and that's
okay for them to do, but they should have let him steal more food.
Poor maybe someone's pet right now, hopefully, well, a fast moving
UFO is captured on video in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on July eleventh. The
bright white object in the video appears to have an irregular shape, leading SUNS
to suggest that the object is nothing more than a plastic bag blowing in the
wind, But according to the Epic Times, slow motion footage reveals it to
have a distinct form and the speed of movement is too fast and directed for
it to be a bag blowing in the wind. Several smaller white objects also
appear in the video. They could be bugs or birds, but for now
all the flying objects in the video remain unidentified. What do you think?
It certainly looks a lot like a plastic bag blowing in the wind. I
think that too. It looks a lot like a plastic bag moving in the
wind. I mean, however, it is moving super fast. Oh really
windy day. Although you know, as we know from doing different experiments,
the wing chain at different levels, right, I mean a few hundred feet
up it could be going really fast in one direction, and then a few
hundred feet up from that it could be moving fast in a different direction.
Absolutely, you have like these currents in the era above us. You almost
pulled the number foot direction direction. You never know what direction you're exactly right,
And I need to watch the video again. I don't recall. I
know the camera comes down at one point and you see some trees, and
I don't think the trees were moving it all from the wind. No,
I didn't look like it was a windy day, and you don't hear it
on the audio, which you usually hear the window against the mic, So
it didn't seem like a windy day. And that thing was cruising. Yeah,
so it's definitely an interesting video. It's not the typical I guess there
isn't really a typical. But you know we see this with balloons too.
You know, people will see a video that turns out to be a balloon
and people will say, oh, we'll see how fast it's going. Balloons
can't move that fast, and you know they can, it's just we're used
to seeing them sort of lazily float. Yeah. What someone needs to do.
And I know there's a weather guy that listened to the show, Danny.
Maybe he can do this for us. But I used to have this
guy in Colorado who would do this for me. He is far to move
on. He worked for a weather company and he could look up how fast
the wind was at different altitudes, so he would be able to determine whether
or not there was any wind. Now, if there was no wind at
any altitude moving very hard at that time, which is recorded in many places,
then you would have something there. But you have to have someone check
on that, and we need a new weather dude. And what do you
think about the the other multiple smaller white orbish things that you see, those
could have been birds, I mean, or if that you know, the
wind was going that quick, but you know the video is so quick,
you know, and the camera's moving around that those could have been birds,
right, I mean that was my initial thought was birds not the main object,
but right exactly, because the main object has a very strange irregular like
a paper bag wood in the air, or of plastic bag. But again
with these other, these other dots that could be bugs or birds, they're
sort of going all sorts of different directions, so it doesn't look like anything
blowing in the wind or any controlled craft. But who knows. In Alejandro,
I really liked this story. This is fun. A Swedish team of
ocean explorers may have discovered a UFO on the bottom of the ocean. The
team sonar detected the sixty five foot disc shaped object on July nineteen, which
is currently resting nearly three hundred feet below the ocean surface in an area between
Sweden and Finland. Sonar also detected tracks nearly one thousand feet long that could
indicate the object has moved along the ocean's bottom. The team of explorers isn't
going to research the circular object, however, is they are only interested in
searching the ocean floors for alcoholic cargo that may have existed from ancient shipwrecks.
Gethered. I mean, these are treasure hunters in the past. They've gotten
millions of dollars from finding treasure. I think they found gold toaballoons, you
know what everybody's looking for. So they got the money they got the time.
There's a gigantic ram thing. It could be something worth a lot of
money. That's so frustrating. They don't go check. And if it's a
y afraid, I don't know. Maybe that's true. They claim they don't
have the money and their budget. That's not their mission, so they're moving
on. But yeah, what a bummer. I could because even you know,
even if it's something that isn't extraterrestrial, a gigantic what twenty meters so
like sixty three sixty five feet wide? Yeah, that's merikful that. I
mean, that's got to be something pretty interesting. I would imagine. What
if it's a sixty five foot piece of gold that would be worth ten trillion
dollars and they just missed out on the biggest gold the bloon ever created it
because they don't have it in their budget. Yeah, talk about no imagining.
You know what if it's sixty sixty five feet across, it's big thing
of gold. I don't think they could lift it up anyway. Yeah that's
true, but they would have claim to it. Many people have tried before,
and that's why there's one thousand feet of drag marks. Yeah, maybe
that's what's happened. Well all one hundred. That is it for the news.
Remember to check out these stories and lots and lots more at openminds dot
tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McLellan, your Open
Mind's news correspondent, and you've been briefed back to you Alejandro. All right,
thank you, Jason. We have a lot of stories on the website
that we've put up this week. As usual, we've got all of these
things that we've talked about, including the videos if you go to Open mindsot
t be the Minnesota fast Moving, possible plastic bag, possible strange looking something
else, and the monkey and all that's on our front page. We also
have a new story from Michael Shrat you might be interested in doesn't have anything
to do with UFOs, well maybe it kind of does. This is Test
Pilots in their secret history. So he kind of highlights three test pilots who
have tested top secret craft, of which most of the craft, or at
least much many of these things that they've flown, are still top secret and
we have no idea what these things might have looked like. So that's really
interesting because to think, you know, these guys were flying these things years
ago and we still don't know what these things look like that they were flying.
You know, of course, most likely some of these things have gotten
mistaken for UFOs. So that's a very interesting story that you can check out
that we just hosted today. We have the Kathleen Martin story and also in
kind of remembrance of another UFO conference in California that took place during the seventies.
I wrote about a conference called Giant Rock, and some of you may
know about it, some of you may not, But this was a gigantic
UFO conference that was started by a guy named George man Tassel and he,
you know, literally he actually worked with Hughes, Howard Hughes as a test
pilot himself. He retired and he bought this gigantic this land leased it actually
from BLM Land that had this giant rock on it. And under the rock
was this little room. He built a cafe next to this rock. There
was an airstrip there so people can fly in. And since he was a
test pilot and buddies with Howard Hughes, Howard Hughes would fly in, they
said, and he would come and have a piece of pie at this place.
But once a year for about I think something like fifteen years. It
was in the late fifties up into the seventies, so nearly twenty years he
held a convention at this giant rock in the middle of the desert late June
in California and thousands of people would show up. Now it got mostly known
for the contact ease that would come. In other words, people who felt
they were communication communicating with aliens, such as George man Tassel. He felt
that he was able to go onto the rock and have some meditations and talk
with aliens. So you have a lot of people who were contact ease that
came to this conference, but thousands of people would come to this thing and
hear different people talk. So very interesting. And I wrote a write up
mainly about George Mantassel himself and that held these conferences with some pictures I was
able to find, such as at the website for the integration and what is
the integration on this? You know, with the aliens that George Mantassa was
talking to, he said he was able to get the plans or the bloomprints
for technology that they shared with him to heal people. So he started building
this thing. It took him many years, and unfortunately he died before he
finished. He passed away in the late seventies. But the building still stands
and you can see pictures of that, and it looks very pretty inside,
nice hardwood, and I guess the acoustics are really nice because it's kind of
this domed thing would have been nice if he finished it, because it was
said he said that its purpose was to rejuvenate ourselves, so to kind of
take us back in time and make us younger and better and healthier, and
that would have been wonderful, but he didn't finish. Hopefully, one day
we'll get that technology ourselves. So that's some of what you're going to find
at Openminds dot tv. Some really interesting stories. Go check that out.
But let us, without further ado, talk to our good friend Jim Maroney.
Real nice guy. Let's get him on the line. I am very
happy to have Jim Moroni on the phone. Jim, are you how you
doing good? Did I say your name right? Morony? That's correct.
Absolutely. It's a little bit of an Irish descent. Actually with Maroni,
it kind of sounds like Italian sometimes, but it's actually Irish. Okay,
cool. Yeah, for some reason I thought it was Maroney for a long
time, and I just read it more closely recently. Well, it's great
to have you on the show. Thank you so much for coming on.
Oh, thank you very much. I'm excited to be on your show.
Yeah. And let's say you've got a couple foot out now, you have
one called the Extraterrestural answer Book and what year was that one written? That
was just written in two thousand and nine, late two thousand and nine,
really didn't get to the Sheldon until early twenty ten, Okay, so not
too long ago. And then you're a part of this brand new project that
I know some of the guys in Roswell have been a part of, like
Santon Friedman, Don Schmidt, Tom Carey. I'm not sure if Kevin Randall
was in there by I know those three were, and they were excited about
this book, UFO's and Alien that has a bunch of essays from researchers,
and you're in there. Yeah. Yeah. It gives a broad spectrum of
the UFO phenomena, from ideas around influences on early history with humanity and up
to the Roswell incident. And then Nick Pope actually from the United Kingdom did
a nice essay in there about work that he's been doing with the with the
government in the UK and the releasing of UFO files and information surrounding that.
And I've been lucky enough as well to join them and a number of other
esteemed colleagues and the writing of materials and essays for this book surrounding that subject
matter, and my particular essay has to deal with the UFO abduction encounters,
some stories around that, and a little bit about my experience and obviously my
interpretation of what these experiences mean and what we need to be doing to prepare
for the inevitable future which seems to be approaching here relatively quickly. Great,
great, yeah, I want to get into that and the subject of the
book and everything. And Nick Pope is also is the right term a serf
of the queen or because you guys are officially in Canada under the monarchy also
right, Yeah, it's kind of a yeah, we have a very friendly
relationship with the monarchy. Basically in the United Kingdom, we're still part of
the Commonwealth, so they don't really hold a whole lot of power believestically politically,
so they're kind of figureheads essentially. But yeah, you know, Canada
always has this warm place and the heart for them for the monarchy. Yeah,
well, Canada is just full of knighte people. They have good relationships
with everybody. Huh. Well, you know, we're small enough that we
can do that. We don't have to have a big army that that draws
a lot of negative attention, right, and you know it's We're really people
in Canada are quite aware of the fact that we don't have a large army,
specifically because the United States does have a large army, and you know,
we've there's this really close relationship with the United States and people the United
States. You know, there's not really a whole lot of difference between both
people essentially in both countries other than just how the you know, the geopolitical
establishments quite quite a bit different. You know, so I can sense that,
you know, as the turmoil continues to evolve in the United States,
and you know, Canada is not immune to some internal turmoil as well.
But I'm hoping that, you know, we have enough good people in both
countries to bridge the gaps between us, and obviously proposed that both our countries,
you know, attend the next couple of years actually in a better state
than they than they have in the last few years. Yeah. Yeah,
So with you, your experiences began in nineteen eighty seven. Now, did
you really think about UFOs or extraterrestrials or anything like that prior to nineteen eighty
seven, not to the way I did afterwards, you know, I did.
I was always curious in sciences, you know, I've always been drawn
into science. And if I think if anybody who gets drawn into science and
likes learning, and gets drawn into learning and learns to appreciate what you can
gain from learning, that science, for example, presented those things that got
me excited. And so at one point in time I contemplated very you know,
I gradually just just you know, as a matter of fact, I
kind of thought to myself, well, it's our UFOs really and I had
heard about them. I said, our UFO is really real, and I
concluded that I thought some of them probably were. I thought that some of
the reports that I'd read and from some of the people would suggest to me
that, you know, maybe they were real. And then I thought that
if they were real, since they were, that some of these reports may
have to do with extraterrestials that have just probably observing us from a distance.
You know, they didn't want to really get get involved with us, but
maybe they're just you know, curiously studying us. And that's really all I
thought about it. You know, I didn't portray it in any big way.
I just and I think it was just a general interest really for a
little bit, but nothing major, that's for sure. I hadn't even thought
about it any great extent. And then something nature didn't occur in eighty seven
and where you found that they may have a little more interest than just watching
us from Afar. Yeah, you know, the experience was so overwhelming to
me that it shattered all my preconceived ideas about what I thought about the UFO
phenomena. And not only that, it really shattered the foundations that I thought
i'd established over my years, you know, of what I thought was possible
and not possible. What I call it is a consensus reality. I love
that term, you know, And a consensus reality is what we all think
reality should be, and it's a general consensus of this reality. Well,
that reality was shattered for me, and it took me some time, I
have to say, you know, to get my feedback on the ground and
deal with the experience the way it should be dealt with in order for it
to have a positive influence on my life and make sure that it wasn't going
to be a negative influence on it. But it also created so many challenges
about things I didn't understand, and it put me on a journey and on
a path to try and discover what the abduction phenomenon really is and what's behind
it, and so that in some way I can understand it better. So
can you explain to us what had happened? Well, it turns out in
nineteen eighty seven this experience, During this part of this experience, I began
to realize that I'd had previous contact with these beings, but I had no
conscious memory of it. And that's a real shock, you know, when
you when you suddenly realize there are parts of your life that actually you're not
even aware of at some point in time. Kind of sounds spooky, but
that is ultimately the reality of part of this experience. But I'm back in
nineteen eighty seven. What these beings did is they carefully orchestrate it a contact
experience for me, and they ensured that parts of my memory would remain intact
and I would be able to recall certain components of this experience completely lucidly.
I wasn't asleep through any of this process or anything else, and the other
parts of the experience they wanted to make sure or try to ensure that I
didn't remember them, and they didn't feel that it was my best interest to
remember them. But of course, you know, being as curious of a
guy I was, I really wanted to make sure that I tried to find
her out a little bit more about what happened on this particular experience. And
I'll go into the experience here. The experience really occurred in nineteen eighty seven
off in a truck stop, and I had this ominous feeling. Actually,
when I was pulling into the truck stop, I didn't feel very at ease
at all. In fact, there was just something that was nagging me.
I wasn't sure what it was. And when I pulled into this track stop,
I really wanted to be near people. I didn't want to It was
late in the evening. I wasn't going to find another place to hold up
in a hotel or anything like that. You want a long trip or yeah,
I was. I was on a very long drive. I'd driven eleven
hours straight and I was exhausted. It was just, you know, after
midnight, maybe around one o'clock in the morning, when I pulled into this
place. It was again a truck stop off off a major trucking route in
Canada. It's off called Highway One, which links both eastern and Western Canada.
And I pulled into this truck stop, you know, when I looked
around and I thought to myself, well, where am I going to sleep
here? You know, I'm driving a little Honda Civic, you know,
And I pull into this truck stop. I pull over to the side,
and I wanted people from the restaurant to be able to see me or me
see them, And I just felt to be a little bit safer. I
didn't want to go into the far parking lot off into a dark area where
nobody was going to see me. I parked my car there, I pulled
over to the I got out. I was just by myself. I went
into the passenger side because I was driving a stick shift, a little Honda
Civic, so with the pedals and everything else in the way, you know,
that's just not very comfortable to lie back. And so I moved some
of the gear around in the car, pushed the back seat down or pushed
the passenger seat down, and so I could stretch out a little bit more,
grabbed the blanket and set myself into the car and put the blanket over
me. And tried to get a little bit of shut eye, but unfortunately
where I parked there were still a lot of vehicles coming in. It was
the truck stop, after all, and truckers don't necessarily all pull off at
midnight, you know, they drive all night long as well. And I
found that a lot of these trucks were actually pulling in through the night,
so I couldn't get any sleep. You know, every minute I tried to
doze off, another truck would come in and wake me up, so or
just prevent me from going to sleep, because I really never got any sleep.
Then I was there when another truck was coming in, and I thought,
good God, what is this guy doing? And I could his lights
were so bright. I'm thinking now that he's pulling right up to the front
of him car, and I'm thinking, what is this guy doing now?
I mean, I was actually getting angry, thinking that what a jerk,
you know, he's pulling way too close to my car. And all of
a sudden, I noticed that the lights were actually moving over top of my
vehicle. And I hadn't opened my eyes yet because the light was just so
intense in this vehicle. And as the lights moved over top of the vehicle.
Obviously, I realized it wasn't a drug. I assumed it was some
kind of craft. Something was moving over top of the vehicle. At the
same time, this all happened very very rapidly, I became paralyzed. I
wasn't able to move, I could barely breathe essentially felt like that, and
it's just extremely uncomfortable. And this fear started to emanate or become a part
of this experience as well. And I think this fear may have originated from
this paralysis. I'm not sure how that all happened, but in any case,
I was actually taken on board this vessel, and the paralysis in a
company with that too as well. I should mention that there was a strong
electromagnetic field underneath this craft, because I could actually feel the hairs on my
arm. I came a hairy guy, and I could feel the hairs on
my arm actually rise, and I knew whatever this craft is, you know,
I doubt very much it's from here. It's completely silent. I didn't
hear any noise, any engine noise. In fact, the air I would
describe it as dead air. There wasn't any echo into it. If I
made a snapping sound on my finger. If I could have moved my fingers,
I wouldn't have anticipated there would have been any sound. I mean,
it was just the air completely went dead. It was the quietest, quietest
air I'd ever ever experienced. The next minute, I'm being drawn through the
car and I find myself standing in front of four non human beings. And
I staggered to my left, and I put my hand down, and I
looked really briefly, and there was my car. So somehow they pulled me
through the windshield or through the front of the car, and they and set
me standing essentially in front of them in an amphitheater kind of room. It
was a large room, and these beings were obviously non human. They're about
three and a half feet tall, typically the large heads that a lot of
people are report, but they had I would call them like quite pointy chins.
Their chins came down quite a bit, almost past their neck actually,
like where where your neck is a little bit. So they were quite pointy,
and they had very very thin necks, and they also had obviously these
very large heads. But all their eyes were blue, you know, they
didn't have any black pupils like a lot of other people report them to have.
They had blue pupils, so they weren't compound eyes or anything like this.
They had no hair, they didn't have any ears. They had only
slight noses that I could make out. And their mouths were very very slight
as well, and the very obviously very large. It was probably the eyes
about four times the size of ours, if not five times the size of
ours. Just immense, and I was I got immediately. Not only was
I a little bit disorientated, I was really scared. Part of being pulled
on board this ship. It really hurt. I don't understand why the pain
was there or anything else, but it would feel like maybe I got the
bends or something like that. I mean, it felt like my body was
being torn apart. Wow. So for a brief period of time, I
thought I was dying. I was going to be killed. And then the
next thing I know, there's no pain, and I'm staggering, you know,
in front of these in front of these beings. And so I thought
to myself, look, I got to defend myself in some way, and
I don't want them doing anything that's going to hurt me. And I'm not
confident that they know how not to hurt me. So the first thing I
do is become quite indignant, you know, and I'm telling them they don't
have a right to do this. Whatether they think they're doing. You know,
they can't just take people without any reason. You know, they shouldn't
be able to talk. You know, they just don't have a right to
do. This is really what I was trying to be and insistent on,
and part of this, you know, when I look back on it,
it was really me just trying to protect myself, you know, and obviously
I was scared. I also didn't want to do anything that was going to
be reckless. I didn't want to do anything that was going to jeopardize me
getting back and getting back to my car and letting them, you know,
having them let me go. And so and this all happens very very fast.
So it's quite a jumble of thoughts that you're trying to work through.
So in the meantime, one of these beings, as I'm getting more angry
with these guys, and they weren't making any noises, they didn't talk it
at all at first, and I said to them, you know, you
could used the door was one of the statements that I made, and I
was alluding to the fact that I thought hurt being pulled through the car.
I thought that, hey, you know, I just opened up the bloody
door, and then you could pull me out that way if you wanted to.
You don't have to hurt me in that way. And one of the
beings steps forward and with complete command of the English language, said very clearly,
what do you need doors for? And I was so dumbstruck by the
question because I didn't know how to answer it. And I'm thought to myself
brief I said, how in the hell am I going to talk to these
guys when we don't even have doors? In comment, and it's a verbal
statement that this thing made, Yeah, completely, and obviously it would suggest
that they've had long term contact with human beings. I lost it in the
moment, you know, but I think I thought about it briefly that geez,
how the heck did they learn English? You know, they must they
must have found a way to learn English. They must have known about us
for some period of time. What did the voice like? It was?
It was and I'm just trying to describe it. It was a curiosity in
the voice, but the inflection was quite pragmatic. It was just a very
direct question. There wasn't a lot of emotion tied into it. It's just
what do you need doors for? What about like that pitch of that?
Would it sound like an adult or a child or high pitch or it was?
I would say it just sounded human. It sounded more human, you
know. It wasn't high pitched or low pitched or anything like that. It
would sound pretty I'd say, like an average voice. I didn't really recall
discerning exactly what it sounded like. There wasn't any dramatic difference, let me
put it that way that would have that would have thought that it was out
of place. So yeah, but there wasn't any accent to it. I
mean even in North America, you know, we even though we vast majority
of the population speaks English, we've got all different kinds of accents from California
to Arizona to Canada. And then Canada has several different accents in it,
and we have the East Coast accents, we have you know, the Southern
United States, they have different accents. And in this the accent I didn't
detect any accents for me. So whatever however they were questioning it, you
know, and whatever words they were using that, I just didn't perceive an
accent to it. This was I was obviously, you know, we can
go off in another direction with with why that would be. But the I
continued to get angry, and then finally another being stepped forward, and instantaneously
I was completely calm and the snappier finger I was. I went from a
raging lunatic to a completely calm, docile person. So what they have with
this opportunity the ability to do, is to project some means of controlling your
emotions and controlling the individual that's with them. And the way I describe it
is think of it as getting on stage with a hypnotist, you know,
and having a hypnotists hypnotize you and then give you suggestions and you just follow
them or you do things. But this type of hypnosis or this type of
suggestion was much more powerful than you would normally be exposed to and the typical
hypnotist entertainment situation. So in anyway, this other being stepped forward, didn't
say anything to me, and boom, I was completely calm and I'm not
sure and then if they had worded it or it's just the idea came up.
But it was like, follow me, and I went okay. I
didn't put up any resistance. I didn't start yelling at them anymore. It
was like the it's like someone saying, let's go for a Sunday walk.
Okay, that seems reasonable, and it sounds unusual that a person being in
that situation would be so compliant, but it just seemed the most natural thing
in the world. And again it has to do with the consciousness that these
beings actually possess. Well, we walked down some hallways, and as we
were walking through this craft, I tried to get an idea of how big
the craft was. I knew something had come over top of the car,
but I never got an idea as to how big this actual craft was.
In the meantime, I thought, maybe briefly, that hey, somebody back
in that place and that restaurant must have seen something. So as I'm walking
through the craft, I'm noticing that the beings in front of me are you
know, about three and a half feet call, and I'm looking at their
heads and I'm realized, you know, they're ball as you know, they're
as bald as billiards, you know, they but there's a little bit of
a bilobed formation to their heads, and so I wasn't sure whether or not
there was a cranial structure, and I was trying to assess, you know,
what kind of structure they actually were. But what really amazed me,
what kind of struck me, was the fact that their necks were so small
compared to the size of their heads. And I thought, good God,
I said, you know, it's as if, if you know, gave
one a shot in the side of the head, it would probably snap its
neck. That's kind of like what I thought it like. They looked extremely
fragile. Yet I also assume that maybe their internal structures were different than human
beings. You know, I just a human structure could not be like that.
I can assure you, you know, there's just no way not with
So either two things, either their internal structure was dramatically different than ours and
the structure does support the head was different, or they worked within a different
gravitational field than we did. And I have to think that I didn't see
anything that the gravitational field I was in, I didn't notice any changes to
it. So I didn't think we were either there was artificially generated or whether
we were still in you know, uh in Erris orbit or not. I
have no idea. In fact, I tried to look out windows and I
couldn't see any windows. There wasn't any windows. We were the wrong.
I'm like, they were essentially kind of like a beige color, and there
was a rib structure to them, in other words, every like a supporting
rib structure to it. So about every ten feet there'd be a slight rib
structure that would be And then so the walls weren't completely straight on the right.
On both sides there's slum somewhat concave, and the lighting was both on
the floor and on the ceiling, which had an unusual way of diffusing around
this of the concave walls essentially, so it was really brightly lit. It
was a very brightly lit place, and it wasn't cramped at all. It
was These halls were huge. I mean they were they were. I think
I was walking down one hallway it must have been at least thirty feet long,
and I started and wide, I'm guessing, you know, twelve feet
wide or ten feet wide. There they're really wide, and I thought to
myself from it, and the ceilings were quite high too, about eight foot
ceilings. And that's when it struck me because I realized, I said,
only smoked. I said, you know, these beings are way too smaller
three and a half feet tall. I said. Here I am walking quite
comfortably. The designers of this ship did not design this ship specifically for the
purpose and habitation for these beings that were around me. They built it to
handle beings of my size. And so this suggested two conclusions. One the
ship was specifically, you know, built to deal with human beings, or
two, there were other beings on the ship where at least my size were
bigger. I concluded at that time that the ship was probably designed with the
intent of dealing with human beings on a large scale. And it was pretty
amazing. You know, when you're walking through this thing and that starts to
sink in, it's ominous, you know, it was just mind blowing.
When we went to a little booth, I got into a booth. They
just suggested, you know, you know, slide into this booth. I
get into this booth and I get hit with this light, this blast of
light, not comfortable. It was really uncomfortable. But I'm they never told
me what it was. I'm guessing it was some kind of decontamination chamber or
something. Then I step out of the booth. I don't look any different.
I got all my clothes on, everything else, everything's fine, you
know. They asked me to go to another room and change into some other
clothes, and I did, you know, just something that they suggested the
most natural thing in the world. There was actually a door I could actually
go in. They didn't come in with me. They left me there by
myself, but I believe they still exhibited some control over me. And when
I was done, I said, Okay, the door opens up. I
walk out. The two beings are there, and they walked me to a
number of rooms. The first room they walked me to was a fairly large
room. Actually, it's about I would say it's about two stories high.
In the interior of this room with lots of them, and they asked me
to lie down on a table and I underwent some medical procedures on this table,
which included a device that was inserted through my side. And it never
left any scar, you know, but I completely recall the pain and the
discomfort of something being pushed into my side, and I could actually feel it
got into my abdomen, and so it actually passed through the skin tissue,
and it took some pressure to do that, but it went into my abdomen,
did something and then pulled back out, and so you know, I
wasn't sure what it was doing, and it wasn't explained to me what it
was doing either or what they were trying to do with me. In the
meantime, I should convey to you that the way I was trying to converse
with them, I actually said, can I help you? Now? It
may sound like an odd question, but I'll give you this. The frame
of mind that I was in at the time, I realized that I was
in a position that I couldn't control, that these beings were way more powerful
than me, and that if I was going to survive whatever was going to
happen, I needed to do something. When I played sports, I wasn't
always the biggest guy on the field, and I always began to realize that
there are ways to outsmart your opponent. Right, There's ways that you can
use your intelligence and find your way to dominate your opponent or to just outsmart
them, you know, so you can win the game or whatever. In
this case, you know, it wasn't a whole lot different than it.
I realized that, look, and these guys are just bigger and bigger,
more powerful than you. Maybe not bigger in size, but they're just more
powerful than you. They're holding all the cards. So what you need to
do is you need to find a way to communicate with them. Number one.
Maybe I'm not looking at to outsmart them. I just try and communicate
with them, find out what they want, and maybe you can negotiate getting
you know, out of here. You find a way to get out of
here. So I remember asking them all continually, you know what can I
help? Can I help you? You know, what are you after?
And but they were very task orientated, you know, they didn't engage in
a lot of conversation with me at all. In fact, they avoided it
for the most part. Even I remember one situation where I know, I
just popped into my head right now where they finished one particular experiment that hurt
really quite quite badly, and I got up and as we were walking to
the door, I asked them, is there anything I can do to help
you? The question itself just staggered both of these beings. I felt like
I could have knocked them over with a feather. I mean, they were
completely dumbfounded by my sincerity of the question that I had given them. And
I suggest that now that what had happened is that when they'd done the same
procedure with other people, it's the last expense, you know, response they
would have ever expected from anybody, And that, you know, that just
struck me how that really happened that way. When I went into I think
one of the final rooms that I went into, it was and this is
the ones that I remember anyway, one of the final ones. But I
was exposed to this one room that had about seventy beds in it, and
on these seventy beds, about thirty of them were full of people, and
yet the thirty were vacant, and there could have been more beds than that,
to be honest with you, you know, I only had a glimpse
of it, and I remember the feeling that I don't want to be seeing
this is really what I said to myself. And the feeling that I had
when I was on board the ship was one thing, But the sense,
you know, and you would think that, well, seeing another human being
would be something that would be good and something that would really appeal to you.
But in this situation, no, it wasn't that case at all.
When I saw these people that were helpless, lying on these tables, not
saying anything, they didn't they weren't struggling or anything else. They else seemed
to be sleeping or in some kind of coma, and these alien beings were
running in between them, moving very very fast and jerky movements, you know,
like they're very rushed about it. I remember thinking of Himsell, I
just don't want to be seeing this, you know. And God knows what
I would have felt like if one of them cried out for help or something
like that. That would have been just devastating to me. So you're pretty
much afraid of what they might be doing to those people. Actually, you
know what would really bothered me was the fact that it was already happening and
that we didn't know about it. You know, this was back in eighty
seven. I'm thinking, my god, you know, if they can do
this, if they can do this without us knowing, I mean, what
else don't I know? You know, how much of this do I not
know what's going on. And the other part of it came back to maybe
I'm not going to get out of here, you know. Maybe I'm not
going to get out of here with the secret. Maybe they don't want us
to know, you know. I was really quite worried. Those were all
the things that flashed into my mind when I saw that we went through another
set of medical experiments that I ended up passing out because they were just I
think the intensity of the experience itself, or the difficulty of the medical experiment.
And I won't call it an experiment. I don't think that's an appropriate
definition for it. Actually, this was a medical procedure that was designed or
intended to change something, and so that's what they were working on. So
they didn't explain to me what that procedure, why they were doing it,
but that's just my assumption on it. So after the medical procedure, I'd
passed out and I was now coming to, and I was in a room
and it was still a large room. I was coming to, and I
was on this bed, and I remember just this being pulling away from me
as my eyes began to focus. It's the oddest sensation because my eyes were
already open, and I was just coming to So if anybody's been out there
that's ever had a concussion, it's the oddest thing. If your eyes are
open and suddenly, you know, your brain starts to function again as it
starts to refocus, and it just seems that there's a little pinholes and it's
you know, everything kind of widens out again and then you can see quite
clearly. So it's almost like coming through a tunnel. So as I'm as
I'm regaining consciousness, I look at the foot of my bed and now,
for the very first time, I see these two beings. They're dressed in
completely black outfits. This was different than the other beings that I'd seen,
which were dressed in either white outfits or a beige brown outfit. And they
were dressed in these jet black, i mean clear, clear of black.
Almost looked like a shiny leather kind of black outfit. But these beings,
even though the faces were about the same, you know, the general structure
was the same to all the other beings. These beings were almost i'd say
ten feet tall, maybe maybe larger. I never in my entire life had
seen a being on two legs standing that tall ever, ever, so I'm
guessing there at least ten feet tall, maybe maybe eleven feet tall. So,
but they were skinny, you know, they were quite skinny, but
they were very tall, pretty imposing. I didn't have any shackles on me,
I wasn't restrained in the bed as I was coming to. And I
believe that they were there for the protection of the other beings around them.
And there was another other alien being to my right. And she had a
feminine quality to her. She didn't have any feminine attributes, no breasts,
you know, and her her again, her body composite was anatomically similar to
all the other ones. So I don't know why I had this idea that
she had this feminine order, but that was my sense about her. So
she stepped forward and she said, in a very unemotional voice, she said,
then there was a question, we don't understand your anger. Well,
for a second, its confused me because at that very moment, I wasn't
angry. I'm still trying to get a sense of where I am and what's
going on around me. And I remember pausing for a second, I'm thinking
what And then she stepped forward again, being more insistent and she said,
we don't understand your anger. And I'm thinking to myself, what what I'm
thinking? Oh, I'm not angry right now, but you know what,
I sure was angry when I got on board this crowd, right, And
I think maybe that's what they're anger. Oh. Now I'm still having this
sense that I need to communicate with them in some way and they really hadn't
extended that all of leaf to me at this point, and I'm thinking,
I gotta do something, you know, And I thought to myself, what
am I I really said? Look, I'm sorry is what I wanted to
say. I wasn't expecting it to hurt. So start over again, Like,
let's figure out what you guys want, and I'll explain to you what
I need. This is kind of like how I want to go with this
whole whole conversation. But all I got out was well, I'm sorry,
and I couldn't get the rest of it out. And I remember turning my
head to my left because this being was on my right hand side and I
was still lying down and I remember turning my head to my left trying not
to cry, and I'm thinking, you know, be strong. I don't
don't cry. I got to get this, you know, get through this
thing. I didn't want to show any weakness to them at all. But
after just another two seconds, all of a sudden, you know, I
just broke down crying. And there was this tremendous love and compassion that was
coming from this being that encouraged this, you know, and I grabbed.
I came off the table and I grabbed and I hugged this being. And
I know she looks different than human beings, but there's this intense compassion and
love and she I remember her whispering to me and saying this also in English.
She said to me, it's okay to cry. The strong ones cry,
and she wanted the shorter being. Yep, yeah, she's about well,
she was actually a little bit taller than some of the other ones.
I said, again, I think she's about four foot ten, maybe five
to one or somewhere in that neighborhood. Yeah, maybe five feet are just
just less than five feet. So, you know, this is the entire
experience and the stress of being on the ship and all of that stuff started
to just you know, fade away or come out of me. I would
say, you know, it just started it was like a huge relief that
started pouring out of me. And then when I started getting my composure,
you know, because now I felt safe, you know, I actually felt
safe in that moment, and as I got my composure, it was just
this It's a hard feeling to actually describe, you know. From one you
think you're going to die and you have no idea whether you're going to come
out of this alive or not, and actually you're getting convinced that you're not
going to make it out of here, and then the next instant you feel
completely safe, you know, and taken care of. And it's just the
relief of that happening in such a quick way in succession. It was just
very difficult to manage emotionally. So as I spoke to her, there was
a sense that she knew me for a long time and that we had known
each other for quite some time. And I don't remember all everything we spoke
about. I know, we spoke at length, you know, and she
told me about certain things and stuff like this, but I can't even remember
to this day exactly what that was. But I do know that my next
memory was being in that amphitheater again with all these beings that I had originally
seen, and some other ones I hadn't. There are again different sizes,
and some of them had different outfits. And this being that was with me.
She looked at me, and I looked at her, and with complete
sincerity, she said to me, she says, I wish I could stand
beside you to face the things you're going to have to face. And I
just shrugged my shoulders and I said, look, that's okay. I understand.
You know, you can't come to my world. I wouldn't expect you
to. And I gotta be you know, I got to find a way
to stand on my own two feet. So I said, it's fine,
it's okay, don't worry about it. And as I you know, the
feeling in this whole place was one of joy, it was one of sadness.
It was an enormous, immense moment for them and for me, but
I really sense it was probably more of an enormous moment for them. It
was as if a very special thing had happened, and an incredible thing had
happened. So as I walked towards the car and I realized I had to
go, there was a sense that I got to get back to Earth now,
I know, I got to get back to my home, is really
what I thought. And as we walked to the car, I remember thinking,
holy hell, you know, they're going to push me through the windshield
again. And I had no intention of getting hurt again. And I remember
jumping to the front door and I grabbed hold of it and I said,
that's okay, I said, you know, I'll get myself in, you
know. And I was relieved at the time, but again they get the
being, the other being that was there just looked at me and smiled,
and you know, I got myself in, put my blanket around me.
They closed the door and and then I was dropped back off into this into
the parking lot, the same location where I had been previously, and and
then the craft moved away the the There was a vehicle that was actually parked
behind me. As I as I got out of the vehicle, and I
was nervous, you know, I looked around in the in the sky and
we only just when they when they put the car back. Yeah okay,
wow, yeah. Yeah. So my conscious memories, my full conscious memories
which I was allowed to remember, and obviously I'm not telling you the whole
story about what actually happened in this experience, but the full conscious memories included
me being taken on board the craft, being being coming back down in the
craft, and a brief experience of hearing the echo of myself screaming, which
was pretty unusual. But all these memories were selected for a very very particular
reason, and it became evident that, you know, they wanted me to
know that they existed. They wanted me to know that they exist in my
life like they do for millions and millions of other people, and that they
are engaged in some form now of I believe it's an intervention would be best
described, and there they do have this intervention going on, but their desire
is is to have a relationship with humanity, and that's not just with me,
you know, it's with everybody. I don't feel special, you know,
in any way after this experience, I really don't. I mean,
I understand that it's a different experience than other people have had in their lives,
but I don't feel special in that sense. I just feel it's just
an experience that has enlightened me to understand that I'll never probably understand all the
mysteries of this world. But the bigger point is is that humanity is approaching
a very very difficult time in its evolutionary process, and that these beings are
here trying to help us. They're struggling with that, we're struggling with it,
trying to figure out what they're doing and what kind of relationship they want
with us, and how are we going to contend with what's going to be
happening in the very near future. I think that these are all phenomenally huge
questions for not just this survival of humanity, but maybe the survival of countless
other species on this planet. But there's an enormous ruggle going on right now
that I think a lot of people have picked up on and have decided that
this is something that's important that we really need to put some resources towards to
have a better understanding about it. When you got out of the car,
did you kind of look around and like you had thought about before, suspecting
someone had seen you or seen this experience, you know, I thought that
maybe there'd be people running around the parking lot, you know, and there'd
be chaos and stuff like that. And I get out and it's a quiet
night, and the only sound I heard was the combination of the mosquitoes buzzing
around my head and in this transport truck that had parked itself right behind my
vehicle, which was not the park which was not an allocated parking stall,
which prevented anybody from the restaurant from seeing what was going to happen in this
parking lot, Like if my car disappeared, they weren't going to see it.
I've also come to understand that, you know, they have this ability
to float themselves in ways, and we have this on video footage as well,
that you know, they can find ways to cloak themselves in a way
that would allow them to do things without us to actually visually being able to
see them. So, you know, I think they influenced the driver of
this cab, who may not have any recollection of what he did or what
he did, but he just influenced this driver suggested that he parked his rig
in this location and then take a few maybe go to sleep, I don't
know. And that's what they did. And so you know, it was
carefully planned. It was well thought out in their part. You know,
it wasn't just by an accident. Type of thing. This is something that
had every component of a very carefully structured, well thought out plan that was
detailed, orientated, and well executed. Actually, so then you have to
go back to your normal life. You're an administrator in the health industry or
in the in a health and safety field, yeah, you know. We
Yes, I'm an executive director currently for Health and Safety Association that takes into
a part about sixty two thousand workers. So it's a large organization and we
have a large responsibility. And I also work with the provincial governments up here,
so I work with government and industry as well. So what does this
mean for me? Well, back in nineteen eighty seven, I wasn't going
to go public with this at all. I knew that I didn't have a
UFO in my hand or you know, a space alien gun that I could
show anybody to prove to them that this experience was true or that this experience
was real. I do have some other ideas about how we could go about
proving it, but I'll leave that firm maybe not discussion. But the point
is is that I really knew that I would sound absolutely borderline psychotic if I
was to tell anybody about this experience, and this is what I concluded.
So I thought to myself, you know, I'm going to try and deal
with this on my own without telling anybody. Well that lasted about a week.
You know, I finally had to tell my sister, and I remember
trying to talk to her about it. I remember breaking down and crying over
just a little bit because it's just just so shattering to me. But you
know, once I got my composure, I really decided that maybe what I'm
going to do is try and understand this phenomenon the best way that I can.
Try and understand what's happening to all of us and how it's occurring in
our society. Learned as much as I can in the meantime, you know,
not talk not republic about my experience, not talk about it to anybody,
and just keep it as a very private experience. And this went on
for years and years. You know, I got married, raised two children.
You know, we were even careful about telling the children about the UFO
phenomenon. I think kids have enough growing enough challenges in their life growing up,
then having their parents come in and say, guess what, you know,
aliens are real and they do have that's just too much for a five
or six seven year old. So we didn't tell the kids until eighteen and
nineteen. You know, I set them down and both myself and my wife
actually talk to them about it because later on, and this is a complex
story, later on, you know, my wife had a very brief encounter
with myself there. So you know, these things are very conscious, I
believe, of our social relationships with each other, and they hold a lot
of importance to those relationships, and they don't really want to upset the people
they're contacting with in such a way that these people become no longer you know,
effective members of society look good at that way. In other words,
they don't go crazy. So but it's a struggle. I mean, it's
not an easy experience. But at some point in time, obviously I decided,
hey, you know what, maybe I'm going to write a book about
this. And I was driven to write the book not from my own personal
game, because I never wanted this to be about me. I wanted this
to be about all of us and how we can learn from this and how
we should be addressing this phenomena, And also driven to it because I thought
that there was a lot of misinformation that was out there and there. You
know, even people who may have encountered or an abduction or abduction experiences are
very reluctant, you know now, to go public because we've had some pretty
serious accusations being laid against some people who have these encounter experiences, and you
know, they've never been held in a good light, you know, And
somebody wonder to you is you know, maybe these people need to get their
medication in order, you know, and they've been really portrayed in that way.
And I think that maybe my role now, at least part of my
role is saying, look, you know what, you can have a professional
career, You can actually have a marriage these days. My god, you
know we've married over twenty years, and you can have a sustainable relationship with
your kids and your family and still have these experiences. What a bad thing?
Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, what would you
say to those people? Because there aren't quite a few, you know,
we had Well, I actually did an interview of many years ago at Daryl
sims By. I just put it on the show not too long ago.
But the people who are very upset about being an abductee and having these experiences
and not feeling betrayed or lied to, and that it's a much more ominous
type of thing going on. Oh, I'm sure you've had people come to
you about that. Yeah, you know. And here's the way I understand
the phenomenay from my experience. It is not these things intention to be intrusive
or to be hurtful in any way. But we're dealing with a crisis in
which humanity may not survive, and it's a crisis of humanity is doing,
not these aliens. So you know, if it's like going to the dentist
and someone I got into discussion with somebody and they said, well, if
they hurt you, they're bad. I said, well, that's a good
philosophy, except it doesn't work when I go to the dentist. You know,
Like should I kill my dentist because you know, should I hate my
dentist or to hurt my dentist because he hurts me. No, But I
understand why I'm going to the dentist. If you're going to an emergency room
and doctors, it's the same thing in this situation. You know, it's
more complex, But I think we have to be able to look at it
in a different light when we saw the work that had been done by Johnny
Mack from the Harvard Psychiatrist. It's a Harvard professor psychiatrist that did some absolute
groundbreaking research in this area. And his conclusion is from the work that he
did, it is completely consistent with my experience, which would suggest that well
at least a good portion of the people he was dealing with, that he
would conclude, our sane, ordinary people just going through extraordinary experiences have been
able to find a way to actually deal with these experiences in a reasonable way.
The other part of it is, though, and I'm not going to
dismiss people who are having negative experiences all together, sometimes psychiatrists and psychologists have
done more harm than good in this field. You know, these beings have
actually created memory screens to protect individuals, and what psychologists and some psychologists that
says, well, you know what, in order for me to help you,
let's find out what's going on. By the first thing I'm going to
do is remove these memory screens, which oh, by the way, were
actually put there intentionally to protect you. But I'm going to remove them and
then see what happens, and see what we find out, you know,
and when you do that, you may expose memories that are going to be
very destructive to the individual and very hurtful, and that may not be in
the best interest of that individual's both psychological health and spiritual health. Yeah,
I've heard of a person who, you know, did a regression, was
able to remember. Stephane couldn't before and remembered a conversation with the being that
had a detective to him, and he said, I'm going to remember that.
I'm going to make sure I remember, and they're like, no,
we're going to make it so you don't. And he's think, I'm going
to and then well, why why because we're going to cover up some bad
death, so, you know, for your benefit. Yes, you know,
and this is not actually a new phenomena. Back in nineteen sixty two,
in the Betty and Barney Hill case, Yeah, the being actually talked
to Betty and said, okay, I want you to forget it, and
Betty was insistent, oh, I'm going to remember this. Yeah, and
the beings response was well, and he kind of laughed and he said,
well, I hope you don't. You know, I know this is a
radical approach in some ways to rethinking about how we should be looking at the
phenomena. But it's difficult, you know, for us who are so curious
at times, and I'm as curious as anybody saying, nah, you know
what, let's just speed ahead and frankre out what's going on by uncovering these
horrible memories that were actually intended to actually be protect them. You know,
the reason why I had some of the conscious memories I did in that little
Echo of Me screen but with no sense of pain, was because it was
a warning. And said, Jim, you know what, we really really
don't want you to remember some of these experiences because they're going to be difficult
to remember and then not going to be good for you. You know,
we don't think it's going to be good in the long rune for you,
and we're really trying to protect you. So you know, we just don't
see it in that light. Right, It's not in our I don't know,
maybe it's not in our psychic makeup or whatever. But I'm just Scott
stubborn, you know. And I said I'm going to charge forward. I'm
glad I did, but I wouldn't recommend it for everybody. You know,
I think that we have to maybe construct a new approach to dealing with the
phenomenon and in fact maybe opening up a way that we can communicate better with
these beings, because if we're looking at a relationship right now, we'll call
it strained at best, but we I think we need to put things in
place that we can help educate those who haven't had encounters yet but might or
will, and essentially educate everybody as to what we know is happening, what's
going on, and maybe even developer programs and systems and educational programs that can
actually help people cope with such experiences in the future so they won't be negatively
affected by them. Well, and you had mentioned communicating better, and that
would probably be That would be a question that others would have it. Why
do they need to do their work and such a clandestine manager, Why wouldn't
they just be able to talk to us, or like you said, why
didn't they just come open the door? Yeah, it seems that they are.
Well, it's complicated, but I'm trying to I'll do my best explainer.
Number One, they're so different than us that they have concluded that a
direct contact with us would not be in the best interest for either party,
and particularly I believe it would be harmful to us. I don't know why
that is, but that's what they've concluded. Secondly, that they're not interested
in every single human being. They believe that they can have a better relationship
with particular human beings so that they are drawn to awards individuals rather than mass
groups. In other words, they have a propensity to seek out individuals rather
than seek out government organizations or any particular organization. That's just the way it
is. The other part of the reason why, I believe is because humanity
has to engage itself in finding its own path. They don't really want to
be perceived as the saviors, you know. They want humanity to save humanity.
They think that if humanity needs and they're going to have a relationship with
us in the future, humanity has to grow up. And part of that
growing up means that we have to feel that we can stand on our own
two feet, because they are about to destroy ourselves. I mean, it's
that what they film. Yeah, I think that's their sense. They sense
that a really, very very difficult time is coming in the very near future,
within my lifetime, within probably the lifetime of all the listeners that are
out there, and that's what their senses, and so they're being very clandestine,
you know, they're trying to work in the background. Will know what
they're doing a little bit more in the future. But I think that's that's
the reason why they've approached it the way they have, and they're giving us
time to i'd say, come to terms with the fact that they exist.
We're frustrated because we got so many different ideas about it, and we don't
seem to have good information on it, and we're really struggling in that process.
But I think it's just all a process. You know, we'll get
to it one day, but you know, we just need to persevere,
I believe. And what in your book, one of the questions it says
you tackle is how the government is responding to all of it, and what
do you believe they really know? And how would you have put that answer
in that chain? Well, you know what, it's simple question, but
it's difficult to answer in a sense that much of the government doesn't know anything
about it. And when we mentioned government, government is a complex organization.
I work both with federal, state, provincial, municipal governments most of my
life, and it comes with the kind of business that I do, both
in emergency planning and disaster planning and just health and safety programs in general as
well. And what I've seen is that some government agencies don't talk to other
government agencies, and in this case, the elected officials are often out of
the loop. They don't know what's going on with the UFO phenomena. Some
parts of the military obviously do, and which militaries know more. Everybody looks
towards the US as probably being the military power of the world that knows more
about the UFO phenomena than anybody. And there's been some suggestions that anybody that's
been involved with NASA over the years may have a better understanding about the presence
of the extraterrestials. I'd have to conclude they're probably right on that one as
well. I mean, we just have to look at some of the statements
that have come back from some of the astronauts. So what does that really
mean. It means that our elected officials are really reluctant currently to step forward
and tackle the UFO problem and issue. It's not going to get them any
additional votes or put them into power. You know, maybe I should say
it's going to give them some additional votes, but it's going to lose them
more than they're going to gain. And when they're after credibility in the election
process, it's very difficult for them to jump on that particular bandwagon. So
where does that leave us? Well, that leaves us, I believe when
we look at Arizona, for example, and the issues that happened with the
governor when they had dismass UFO sighting, there's a lot to learn from that
process. And what we find is a state government that has been let down
by the federal government, that has found itself on its own dealing with the
UFO phenomenon without any external force coming forwards and providing them some kind of assistance.
And how do I engage the public in a responsible way to deal with
a situation that I have not been briefed on, that there's no presidence for
and that I'm frankly only understand that my role is to ensure that the public
doesn't panic. And when you put all of those factors together, you get
somebody who walks out in a space alien costume and they all make fun of
it and let's get on with it, guys. You know, that's it.
I think that there's a much better way to approach it. I know
there's a much better way to approach it because we have a lot of research,
scientific work that's been done with everything from dirty bombs going off to biological
weapons. We know how to address the public in difficult situations. We know
how to address the public and how it should be done to avoid panic.
And in fact, we know by all research that's been done that panic is
absolutely not going to happen, particularly when it's when information is provided by the
government in a very candid way, you know, And that's when we have
over If you go to the UK, over eighty percent of the population in
the UK believes that extraterrestrials are already here in visiting Earth. Well, they're
not panicking, you know. So if eighty percent of the population already believes
the UFO phenomena is reel, how come there's no panic? You know.
And if you go to the North America, you can argue in different you
know, whether it's fifty one percent or fifty percent or what sixty percent?
Anyway, a good portion of the population already believes the farm or president,
then there's no panic. So we have to I think, move the governments
past this idea of panic, but show them away of encouraging. I guess
they're going to have to build trust. It's going to be a difficult road
for them to hope, but at some point in time they're going to have
to deal with it. Yeah, we're running out of time. But I
do want to ask you were taken on board and medical procedures were done,
or like you said, changes of some sort. How do you think that
these changes made to you? What do you feel is the nature of them,
and how will they help humanity? I think that when I look at
myself from where I was back in nineteen eighty seven to where I am now,
I'd have to say, you know, I'm much more at peace in
my life than I've ever been previously. I'm not sure if that it was
them or something, but I believe what we're looking at is and from their
perspective, is that humanity has an imbalance, and that imbalance is created from
their swelling technological development and our retarded spiritual growth, and that imbalance is going
to create a major problem for the future. So the only way to correct
this imbalance is to ensure that that spiritual development at least matches our technological development,
in other words, it improves. So I believe there's something that they're
doing that's going to encourage a radical spirit tool shift in a great segment of
the population at a specific time. I just don't know when that time is
going to be, or how it's going to occur, or how dramatic that
is going to be. But if we need to put resources, that would
be something that we really should be looking into. M And then finally,
now that you know, being a professional and an administrator and an important field
where you deal with governments and everything, have you gotten any negative feedbacks?
How are people reacting in your colleagues and everything and family to you coming out
and writing your book and everything. Well, you know, I talked to
my family about it before I went and wrote the books, and made sure
everybody was going to be kosher with what I was going to be doing.
I explained to them that there were going to be some risks in it,
but I felt that it was important for me to take those risks, and
they concurred with it. You know, the biggest person in my life is
my family and my wife, and I just didn't want to make you know,
she says to me, She said, Jim, I just don't want
anybody to hurt you, you know, because you're a good person, and
I just I couldn't stand by and see that happen. She goes, I
just don't want that to happen. She goes, I know you can take
care of yourself, but that's the thing that would bother her the most.
But once she got over that, you know, she realized how important it
was for me, she was okay with it. And since that period of
time, you know, we've had more support than we've ever had negative comments.
I mean, for the odd for every one negative comment I get,
I must get you know, fifties fifty kudos or you know, fifty situations
where people are just interested to know more. They want to know how I
got involved with this, what do I know about it? What am I
you know, what am I doing in this area? And I think that
has been the most remarkable aspect to all of this. You know, just
how supportive people really have been about the work that I've been doing. Well,
that's great. You know, I'm an optimist, of course I I
but it's always difficult with all the information going around. So the scenario you
present here is certainly something that I hope to be the case. And it
has been a great talking to you, And of course I think we could
easily go on another hour, two, three, four or five, So
we'll definitely have to have you on again sometime. But thank you so much
for coming on and sharing your story. Well, thank you so much for
having me on. And I think this is one of these wonderful opportunities and
presented itself to humanity. I think we're born into an incredible age and I
really don't want us to mess up this opportunity, and I think we're going
to be able to make it. I really do well. And thank you
again. Yeah, I figure, you know, people like you and being
open to that there is an interaction occurring, I think makes us lucky.
And to be able to just recognize that we're in an important period of humanity
future or history. You know, we're at the cutting edge. You know,
we should expect it to be difficult. We should expect us to be
a very very difficult time. It's not going to be easy, but I
really do believe we have courageous people like yourself and like a number of other
people that I've met that I just didn't even I wasn't even aware of earlier
that I think we're gonna be able to make it. I think we are
going to be able to pull this off, and I really do. I'm
an eternal optimist, and I think that's gonna happen. Well, alberta UFO
Study Group is your group, and at which is a UFO SG dot com,
and that's where people looks like can get your books and find out more
about you. Absolutely, all right, great, well, thank you so
much, Thank you again, and keep up the great work. So we're
gonna make it. People. Jim is optimistic, and I hope he's right
that we're gonna make it. Of Course, every day we struggle and struggle
and things look kind of rough, but of course that's if you watch the
news, because the news is so negative and awful and looking at the bad
side. But hopefully he's right. Hopefully you know, things are better off
than sometimes they look to be. And I know there are probably some of
you out there that well, there's always that's the case. Some people who
don't agree with what he has to say, some who do, but regardless,
you know, I think it's really interesting to hear these stories, especially
from someone like him who's a professional who works around, you know, different
professors and things like that, and to be bold enough to put his career
at stake, really even to come out and talk about this stuff is really
interesting. And of course, why would someone do that if they didn't really
believe what they had experience was real. So a pretty incredible experience that he
outlines there, and I think some people out there who are listening probably feel
they may have had a similar experience. So, like you heard him say,
his website is a UFO SG some of our good buddies up there in
Canada. I've always found people in Canada to be very friendly. His organization
is the Alberta UFO Study Group. And talking about friendly, good people from
other countries, I do want to say I love the UK. I was
kidding around with the July fourth stuff. Somebody, a British person said,
why are you making fun of people in the UK. I was making fun
of you know, while we blow stuff up on July fourth, And maybe
it was so we could scare away the British and hut, you know,
so they don't come back. It was I was just kidding. I love
my British listeners as well as my Canadian listeners. I get excited to talk
to you, just like I'm excited to talk to all of our speakers anyway.
But what I was getting at this book by Jim Maroney UFOs and Aliens.
It's not just by him. There are lots of people who wrote in
there. Eric Bondanagin, Nick Pope wrote in there, Stanton Friedman like I
had mentioned, and many others. I haven't read it or gotten a copy
yet, but I've heard some really good things. And Jim Maroney actually wrote
in this book as well, so it looks really interesting. And he also
has the Extraterrestrial Answer Book which he wrote, which only just came out last
year. So if you want to hear more about Jim's experiences and what he
fills is going on with this abduction stuff, then check out his book.
And it certainly sounds very positive, and I hope it to be the case.
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