WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.839 This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast edition of The Dan Caplis 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:07.679 Show. Please be sure to give us a five star rating if you'd be 3 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:11.599 so kind, and to subscribe, download, and listen to the show every 4 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:17.320 single day on your favorite podcast platform. Wow. A week from today, 5 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:23.120 right, hard to believe. Probably the most consequential quote debate that we've had 6 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.359 in our lifetime. You can argue Nixon, Kennedy and yeah, you make 7 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:31.760 pretty strong argument for that. But given the direction America is going to take, 8 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:35.799 depending on what whether Trump or the Democrat nominee it won't be Biden, 9 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.679 whoever it's going to be will be, then, yeah, i'd make the 10 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:44.200 case a week from today, June twenty seven is going to be Numero uno 11 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:49.200 in the debate categories. So each and every day now i'd spend every day 12 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:52.240 talking about it, but each and every day we're going to be talking about 13 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:58.479 different pieces of that looking ahead and different commentary and your take on what you 14 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:00.439 you know, what you would be asking if you could ask each candidate, 15 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:03.840 but what do you want to see Trump do and not do? So we're 16 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.280 gonna have a little taste of that today as well. I'm really really happy 17 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:14.519 to see this headline on CNN News right now, which is Trump meeting with 18 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.159 VP candidates and advisors to prepare for debate. That is just music to my 19 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:25.400 ears because if Donald Trump prepares in a traditional way for this debate, he 20 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:27.760 will win, and win big. Because of the debate, I mean, 21 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:33.959 the Biden. It's kind of like a circus factor with Biden, right he's 22 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:36.680 not going to be their nominee. It'll be interesting to see what they've got 23 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:38.680 him jacked up on. And you know, if he's doing the angry old 24 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.560 man thing, which he will like the State of the Union. But it's 25 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:48.799 really not even about Biden. It's about people sizing up Trump and are we 26 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:52.599 going to get the A Trump? Because if America gets the A Trump next 27 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.519 Thursday, you know, at that point, that's all they need to see. 28 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:59.599 Because people are smart. I mean, first, the vast majority of 29 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.319 folks who are persuadable don't believe what they hear from the left. And they 30 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:06.159 probably you know, just take with a grain of salt what they hear from 31 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:09.800 the right, but they believe their eyes, they believe their life, they 32 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:15.520 believe what they're feeling and experiencing and everybody knows they were better off and we 33 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:19.560 were all better off under Trump, and so now it's just about they want 34 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:22.400 to size up Trump and see, hey, you know, is he is 35 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.879 he still sharp? Is he stable? You know all those things right that 36 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:31.560 any reasonable person would want to see before they made that decision. So it's 37 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:37.479 all about Trump on the twenty seventh. Biden's kind of a circus side show. 38 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.879 And so yeah, when I see that headline about Trump preparing with advisors 39 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.759 and VP candidates, et cetera, that warms my heart because if he does 40 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:52.639 traditional preparation, Yeah, if he decides to just wing it, say a 41 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:54.960 prayer, hope for the best, eight five five for is two to five 42 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:59.719 to five the number text d A N five seven seventh three nine. And 43 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:04.639 listen, I'm not doubting his improvisational skills, not at all. He's obviously 44 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.240 a quick, brilliant guy. He can be extremely funny. He's got all 45 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:12.759 these great accomplishments to talk about. I'm not doubting any of that. I'm 46 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.520 just saying that if you want the a Trump, it's just going to take 47 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:21.080 that real preparation because this format is this format, and you got to be 48 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:25.439 able to deliver within that format. So do you think he's going to prepare 49 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:30.199 Ryan, I mean, like really prepare the way he should. Well, 50 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:34.919 I cut this quote that you had me hmm dig out for Maggie Haberman New 51 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.199 York Times, and she seems to know him well. For some reason, 52 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:40.680 he's kept her in his orbit, which I think is much to his detriment. 53 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.120 But that this guy, that's the type. He doesn't like to study 54 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:46.840 for a test, right, He thinks it's kind of wasted time. He 55 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:51.960 doesn't take it seriously. The preparation. Again, I think that's to his 56 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:58.479 disadvantage. But maybe the humility might set in from what happened in that first 57 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:01.159 debate against Biden. You pointed it out the time he had COVID it seemed 58 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.000 like he was still in the throes of it, the after effects of it. 59 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:09.879 He kept interrupting Biden. It was not a good look and he needs 60 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.080 to do better than that. Megie's got her theory. Do you know in 61 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.639 pastor did he do mock debates? I mean, did he have somebody playing 62 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:20.759 somebody else? Well, Chris Christy I played a version of Hillary Clinton and 63 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:25.600 he played a version of Biden. In twenty twenty and then twenty sixteen before 64 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:30.480 that, So yeah, I mean those were Look, Trump doesn't like prep, 65 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.000 I mean, he considers it school. So the fact that they've gotten 66 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.759 him to do it this way is actually pretty revealing and also speaks to the 67 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:39.439 fact that I think he knows that this has to go well for him. 68 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:44.120 He has said to people multiple times that he knows that he interrupted too much 69 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.560 in the first debate with Biden in twenty twenty, and having just rewatched that 70 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.600 debate recently, it's really striking. I Mean, we all talked about it 71 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:54.399 at the time, but Biden could barely get a word in edgewise, and 72 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:59.800 Biden was kind of smiling throughout as this was happening. Yeah, and I'm 73 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:02.879 so so glad actually to hear that, right, that the president's aware, 74 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:05.639 because listen, none of us are perfect, right, no matter how good 75 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:09.439 you are or I am, or Ryan is, whatever we're best at, 76 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:12.680 there's still going to be times we're not our best at whatever we're best at. 77 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.319 And so the fact that Trump has this awareness and that people around him 78 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:19.519 are willing to shoot straight about when he screws up, that's great. He's 79 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.720 less likely to repeat it. That's why I've been saying it. It really 80 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.639 helps him that they're going to be turning the mic off when it's not your 81 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.839 turn. I mean that helps him do what he needs to do that night 82 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.959 to win over the people he needs to win over. And all this talk 83 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:38.839 about how he's going to wander over there next to Biden and stand next to 84 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:44.079 Biden, I think is utter nonsense. Now, speaking of which, this 85 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:48.839 little tidbit of what seems like trivia just got reported about the debate, and 86 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.160 I think it's fascinating. Let me ask you, Ryan, assuming you haven't 87 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:58.079 seen it yet, Joe Biden wins the coin flip. Which has happened? 88 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:00.759 Did you see that story? No way, he won the coin flip for 89 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:08.360 CNN's debate. But but if I could point the old two sided coin two 90 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.199 headed coins. But here's the question for you. We know now that he 91 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:15.160 won the coin flip, so he got the choice between which podium to stand 92 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.759 at the left side or the right side, or whether he would go last 93 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:26.240 in the debate. Which do you think he chose? And why podium position? 94 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.480 Because he wants the same layout that he had in that first debate that 95 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.439 he won, so that would put him on the right side of the stage 96 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:38.879 as the viewer seeing it. Yeah, he chose podium position, which to 97 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.920 me is really intriguing, and there had to be a reason behind it, 98 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.959 because giving up the last word is giving up a lot. Because in a 99 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:50.560 trial in Colorado, I represent victims plaintiffs, we have the burden of proof, 100 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:55.279 so we get to go in closing argument first and last, and that 101 00:06:55.360 --> 00:07:00.319 ability to go last, and if the other side has misrepresented or God bid 102 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.600 lied, to be able to expose that and blow it up is an enormous 103 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:11.079 benefit. So Biden gives up the ability to go last just to choose which 104 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.600 side of the stage he stands on. I'd love to hear from people on 105 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:16.720 this. What do you think is behind that? Da N five seven seven 106 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:21.480 three nine or eight five five four zero five eight two five five the number. 107 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:26.920 I'm glad he made that decision because I'm really glad Trump gets to go 108 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:33.319 last and responds to nonsense and lies from Biden. Yeah, so got that 109 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:39.639 going for us, right. The other really really really tremendous development I think 110 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:46.279 for Trump pre debate is that the polls have have turned against him a little 111 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:49.959 bit, just a little bit. Not talking about some big dramatic swing, 112 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:56.319 but enough at this point that I think it's gonna make him more serious about 113 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.639 the debate prep if he wasn't already, Like the Fox News Paull right, 114 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.000 he'd been a point and now he's down two or something like that, And 115 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.399 you see a number of polls across the board where maybe he's lost a point 116 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.839 or two. So, you know, given given you know this wrongful conviction 117 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:16.920 on these felony accounts and everything he was exposed to there, maybe that isn't 118 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.800 a big surprise. My belief is still that he will benefit tremendously from that 119 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.519 over the course of the campaign. But all I'm saying is I think it's 120 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:30.360 good incentive for him to work even harder to prepare for this debate and to 121 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.240 shine in the debate, because if he does that a week from tonight, 122 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.240 Yeah, nothing's ever over till it's over, right, But that's a big 123 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.039 step toward over. So love to hear from me on all that. We're 124 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.240 going to be talking as well about State of Louisiana. Now, first state 125 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.600 to make it mandatory to have the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms? Do 126 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.360 you want to do that here in Colorado as well? Eight five five four 127 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.600 zero five A two five five techs d A N five seven seven three nine 128 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.159 and now back to the Dan Kaplish podcast. Well, I think given the 129 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:05.960 song seasons coming up the Ten Commands, who we need to hail Mary, 130 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:11.159 it would be, you know, much more appropriate for what we face were 131 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:13.480 here. I don't know which one are gonna put up there ten different versions 132 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:18.559 of there Ten Commandments, and our school are so underfunded that I'm not sure 133 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:22.000 I have the kids even how to read them. James Carville talking about New 134 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.759 Louisiana law that makes it mandatory to have the Ten Commandments in public school classrooms. 135 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.240 Should we be doing that here in Colorado? I'm very much looking forward 136 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.039 to that conversation with you, and obviously it gets into constitutionality issues. But 137 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.679 for those who say, hey, wait, no, this is long decided 138 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:41.960 you can't have the Ten Commandments up in that public place or that classroom, 139 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.639 they are just wrong. I mean, that is not the state of law. 140 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.360 You have Supreme Court law on this, and it has come down on 141 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:54.279 both sides depending upon the particular display. But those who are under the impression 142 00:09:54.320 --> 00:10:00.159 that the Supremes have said no, you can't post that those Ten Commandments at 143 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.919 a courthouse or in a public school, whatever. It's not that simple. 144 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.159 So we'll get into that in a bit eight five to five for zero five 145 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:13.360 A two five five the number text DN five seven seven three nine. I 146 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.440 take one text on that before we get back to the phone lines treated as 147 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.440 an open lines Thursday. But here we've got a text, Dan, would 148 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.679 you be fine having passages from the Quran in all of the classrooms? No? 149 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.039 I would not be, and there would not be a legitimate basis for 150 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.320 that. So if you had the same law at this point put up passages 151 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.759 from the Quran in all of the classrooms in Louisiana, I think it'd be 152 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:43.519 blatantly unconstitutional because you wouldn't have any reason to put up passages from the Quran 153 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:50.360 and all of those Louisiana classrooms unless it was religiously motivated. And the Supreme 154 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:56.559 Court has been clear that no. If something is religiously motivated, say the 155 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.399 Ten Commandments. If if the primary motive for putting the Ten Commandments up in 156 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:07.879 those Louisiana courtrooms, I want to say, Ryan, right when I was 157 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.840 a third grader, it was like a courtroom in there I was judged every 158 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:16.600 day and usually judged poorly and harshly by a tremendous teacher, sister, and 159 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:20.759 felice was a gift from God to my life. But anyway, that aside. 160 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.960 So if the motivation for putting the Ten Commandments up in the classroom is 161 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:30.840 primarily religious, no you can't do it. It's on constitutional there's Supreme Court 162 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:39.120 law on that. But if there's another motivation, say a secular moral message, 163 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.919 or they reflect the moral history and tradition of your state, then yes 164 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:48.279 you can legally put those up. You could not make that argument and you 165 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:50.679 know, no disrespect to our Muslim brothers and sisters, but you could not 166 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:56.360 make that argument for the Quran because in the state of Louisiana, just like 167 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:01.320 the state of Colorado, it is not is a matter of history, provable 168 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:09.240 of history. It's not been part of the historical bedrock development of the state 169 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.000 of Louisiana or the state of Colorado the Quran. No disrespect to the Koran 170 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:20.919 or are Muslim fronts. But certainly the Ten Commandments have been a bedrock part 171 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.399 of the moral tradition and history separate apart from religion. They've just been a 172 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:30.360 bedrock part of those core moral beliefs of many states. And so if the 173 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:35.120 motivation for the display is that, well then it's perfectly legal. And it's 174 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.600 a case by case determination based on a lot of the surrounding facts, et 175 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:45.159 cetera, as to what is the primary motivation religious or the underlying moral tradition 176 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:50.159 of the state, a secular moral message, etc. Rosio, you're on 177 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:58.879 the Dan Capitalist Show. Welcome ill Dan. Now, as to the ten 178 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:07.799 commandments that that I think should be put a you all that that's that's just 179 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:11.159 enough. One. Now, as to this debate, Trump can play this 180 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:16.919 really smart and he's a good chess player. We know that nine thinks two 181 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:24.679 moves ahead or three ahead of his opponent? Is that this with COVID and 182 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:31.919 all here under estimated? How is opponent one? Rozsio? Let me ask 183 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.399 you. Let me ask you, Rozsio, is how old are you? 184 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.639 Forty four? Okay? You sound like a spry forty four? Is there 185 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.519 one Rossio or is there more than one Rossio? This one? Okay? 186 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:56.519 This one okay? And does that one Rossio have more than one what would 187 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.320 you call it? Personality? More than one? M o? Can can 188 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:09.159 that one rossio be a much different Rossio on a different day. I wear 189 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.120 many hats dependent on that subject. Okay, see, and thank you for 190 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.159 that, and thank you for a great call, my friend. Want to 191 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.919 get everybody in. That's the point. Wait a second, Donald Trump. 192 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:28.399 Donald Trump has different sides, right he is. There are different versions of 193 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:35.559 Donald Trump depending on the day. And if we get the disciplined Donald Trump, 194 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:41.320 who built a real estate empire, who did the things necessary to become 195 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.519 president of the United States, those things that actually caused him to win. 196 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:50.279 If we get the disciplined, prepared Donald Trump, then that Donald Trump is 197 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:54.679 going to win, and it's only a matter of by how much. But 198 00:14:54.799 --> 00:15:01.440 there's also the undisciplined, unprepared wing it Donald Trump. And if we get 199 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.879 that version, hey, it's going to be entertaining. But lord knows where 200 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.480 it's going to fall. Right, Am I wrong about that? Ryan Kelly? 201 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.480 Any flaw on that launchic coming, and maybe even more so than any 202 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.919 candidate we've seen in our lifetimes, there are these two Donald Trump's. It 203 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:22.679 doesn't mean he's not authentic. In fact, authenticity as part of his appeal, 204 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:30.240 but there are these dramatically two versions of Donald Trump, and this debate 205 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.960 outcome will be determined by which one we get, and that will be determined 206 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.200 not a week from now, That'll be determined today. Because if it's the 207 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.759 discipline Donald Trump, who's going to prepare the way he did, you know, 208 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.159 to succeed in big business deals, et cetera. That's happening now. 209 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.120 Well, you just said the key word discipline. He's always been in one 210 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:50.840 of his strengths that is a double edged sword. That can also be a 211 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:58.200 weakness. Consistently inconsistent, a mavericky kind of unpredictable, volatile element, a 212 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:03.919 radioactive isotope of swords, and sometimes that serves to his benefit because you'd be 213 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:07.720 in jail to Hillary Clinton. It was a classic drop to Mike moment that 214 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.559 came out of nowhere. It was he's got great instincts. But they sorry 215 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.679 to interrupt, but remember the rest of that town hall style debate. He 216 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.559 was very, very good throughout. Yes, he was disciplined. You could 217 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:25.120 tell he was even disciplined about his movements as opposed to the first debate in 218 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:30.399 sixteen and in twenty his first debates were disasters, and then he rallied in 219 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.799 the later debates in sixteen. In the later debate in twenty again, I 220 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:41.480 would I would be very interested to hear the closed door sessions he has with 221 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.000 his handlers who were helping him to prepare. I got to imagine that will 222 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.080 no longer include Chris Christy, but just how they're able to harness him, 223 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.600 if at all, because he's so resistant to that. What a great question. 224 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:56.679 Who on the face of God's earth would you get to stand in for 225 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.360 Biden in debate prep. You'd have to go to they. Tom Shalou from 226 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:07.000 Guttfeld. He doesn't spot on Joe Biden. Shalou, No, but I'm 227 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.119 talking up. Wait a second, because you've got to You've got to to 228 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:14.680 be able to be that debate prep partner. You have to have their mannerisms, 229 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.079 you have to have their pace, you have to talk the way they're 230 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.839 likely to talk. Yeah, I stand by my nomination for that. You 231 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:23.279 gotta watch Guttfeld. If you have time for Morning Joe and that crap, 232 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:27.240 you've got to watch a good show in Gutfeld on Fox News. Dan, 233 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:32.359 I have limited time, but I spend it looking at what the opponent is 234 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:36.279 saying, so you're better prepared to to defeat those arguments. Well, that's 235 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:37.759 a good point. Yeah, but I'm just saying you're missing out because this 236 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:41.519 guy does a spot on Joe Biden impersonation. He even has the same face 237 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.039 and he puts make up he looks like him too. Okay, no, 238 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.079 no, maybe maybe that works. I do want to get to this text, 239 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.359 Dan, outside of a Christian type religion, where do you find the 240 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.920 Ten Commandments? We are going to teach second graders to not covet thy neighbor's 241 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:02.319 wife, give me a break. There is a great answer to that question, 242 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:07.880 and there's tremendous evidence in examples of the Ten Commandments on display all over 243 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:12.920 America in situations and circumstances that are not primarily religious. Jeff Crank Next, 244 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:19.359 you're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. Hey, we're talking about state 245 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.279 Louisiana. First state ever to say you've got to have the Ten Commandments displayed 246 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:27.599 in every public school classroom. And a lot of people say, hey, 247 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:33.759 that's automatically unconstitutional, that thing's going to get struck down, Crickerton whatever. 248 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:41.079 And I just want people to know there's a very very powerful legal argument in 249 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.720 favor of upholding that Louisiana law. We'll get to that in a bit. 250 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.960 Hey really happy to have Jeff Crank with us. He's running for Congress. 251 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.839 He's in a Republican primary right now down in CD five. He and Dave 252 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:56.680 Williams are squaring off there. Jeff want a very enthusiastic endorsement from a paper 253 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.960 I respect greatly. The Colorados brings good zet. Hey, Jeff, welcome 254 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:04.440 back to the Dan Kapla Show. Dan, thanks for having me. It's 255 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:07.440 always great to be with you. Well. Appreciate that we've invited Dave as 256 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.880 well separately, and so far I've not had an acceptance, but the invitation 257 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:15.200 remains open. So he start with the state of the race. Man, 258 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:21.599 can't believe it's almost Tuesday already. Where do things stand? Well, you 259 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.839 know, I can't either. I'm so happy that we're Oh, I bet 260 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.559 listen. I hate primaries. Primaries are terrible. I want to get out 261 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.839 there and fight the left, you know, I don't want to fight people 262 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:34.240 in my own party. But no, I think we're in really good shape 263 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:38.720 and I feel very good about where we are. We've run a great campaign. 264 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:44.920 We've raised just under six hundred thousand dollars in this primary and about in 265 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:48.119 you know, just under six months here, and you know, we've gotten 266 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:53.240 our message out to secure the border, fix the Biden's broken economy, and 267 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:57.759 you know, keep fighting for people's freedom and their liberty. And of course, 268 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.240 Jeff well known to many many people in the district from a lot of 269 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:07.160 years of really good, high quality talk radio and other accomplishments. Kind of 270 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:11.200 curious, how how is that playing out in the race, Like, what 271 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:12.920 are you finding out there in the real world? Your years on air? 272 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.759 Is that making the difference? I think it makes well, I think it 273 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:19.720 does, and I'm glad you brought that up. In fact, this will 274 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:23.200 be encouraging to you for when you run for Pension of the United States. 275 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:27.720 Dan, call my wife, thank you. You know what. I go 276 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:32.680 around and I knock on doors and people will say, you know, I 277 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:34.759 got this mail piece about you, but I don't believe it because we've been 278 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:38.640 friends a long time. Listen to Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, And 279 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.000 you know how people feel when you're on the radio that they just kind of 280 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.240 have a personal relationship with you that they've built over the years, and so 281 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.799 I think that's really helping us. Dave's been pretty nasty. He sent out 282 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:52.880 stuff. I know there's a male piece that hit today that I saw, 283 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.079 and it said that, you know, I'm I'm a never Trumper, and 284 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.720 I'm for amnesty and all this kind of nonsense. Of course none of that 285 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.079 is true, but I think people see through that as nonsense. Oh they 286 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.359 have to, right, Jeff. I mean, I would think anybody who'd 287 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.720 believe, and you see so much of this now in so many different forms, 288 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.400 in so many different races. I just think people believe that kind of 289 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.480 stuff they get in the mail are probably already supporting the other guy or gal. 290 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:22.359 I can't imagine that anybody would look at something they get in the mail 291 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:25.720 that makes those kind of allegations and say, oh, yeah, yeah, 292 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:27.680 that must be true. I'm going to vote that way. But no. 293 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:33.000 And the thing about radio, as you well know and everybody listening knows because 294 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.799 they choose to listen, is that there's nowhere to hide. Right. It's 295 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:40.079 not like TV, where okay, you got maybe a thirty second hit and 296 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.200 you can get away with being a phony for thirty seconds, no offense to 297 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:47.119 our TV friends, most are very genuine, But radio there's nowhere to hide. 298 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:48.319 I mean, they're going to know the real you, whether they like 299 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.000 it or not. Well, And you know what, I spent fourteen years 300 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:56.480 on radio, and actually longer than that if you take some of the guest 301 00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:59.640 hosting time and other shows and stuff. But you know, fourteen years on 302 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.640 the radio, you would think that if I was as bad as Dave says 303 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.079 I am, that they would have a lot of clips out there. Are 304 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.160 you being liberal and saying liberal? They don't because I didn't say them, 305 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.079 So they have to kind of make stuff up. Yeah. I can't believe 306 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:18.720 that's going to work. I can't believe that made up stuff is going to 307 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.759 work in many races anywhere, but especially not with a guy like you, 308 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:26.839 who's so well established in other ways. But it's Jeff Crank for Congress Crink, 309 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:32.720 Jeff Crank for Congress dot com. So what is kind of the hurt 310 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:37.119 to hurt elevator pitch say for those handful of folks who haven't made up their 311 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:38.920 mind yet or maybe they're just dialing in because they got a real life and 312 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:42.559 the primaries and the biggest thing in their life. Yeah, what do you 313 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:45.720 say to him when you've got thirty seconds? Yeah? Well, first and 314 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:49.160 foremost, I mean, we've got to fix the border. And it's a 315 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:53.839 broken border. We've got a whole Iiden administration accountable for not upholding the law, 316 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:56.640 and we've got to get it fixed. And I'm for building Donald Trump's 317 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:03.079 wall. I'm for you knowing more border patrol agents and getting border security in 318 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.519 place. We got to fix Biden's folken economy, and you know, it's 319 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:11.680 hurting Americans. Americans are having to make difficult choices right now because of bad 320 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:17.920 decisions by the Biden administration. And then lastly, you know, this community, 321 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:22.480 Colorado Springs in Opaso County is so affected by the defense industry, and 322 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.559 you know, I just have decades of experience dealing with that and working to 323 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:32.279 keep Fort Carson open and installations in our community, and that stuff matters. 324 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:36.599 You know, my opponent, he just doesn't even really talk about those issues 325 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:38.720 because you know, he knows that he just doesn't really have any experience and 326 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:44.000 and just doesn't really care about those issues. I'm going to go to DC 327 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:48.119 and work hard, be a team player, build a larger majority, and 328 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:53.319 work with President Trump to advance that sort of conservative cause, you know, 329 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:57.000 throughout America, we got to take our country back. Is Jeff Crankar guest. 330 00:23:57.079 --> 00:24:00.480 You know, I'm only one guy. But the way I always look 331 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.799 at these congressional primaries right where you have people who maybe are aligned on almost 332 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:08.880 every major issue, is Okay, which guy or gail is actually going to 333 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:14.119 be most effective back there? And then I think that's kind of a race 334 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:15.559 to race determination. But I look at a guy like you, and there's 335 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:21.920 every reason to believe that that you would be about as effective as a congress 336 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.079 person. And obviously, you know, first term congress person in the beginning 337 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:30.720 can be because of these skills and experiences and communication abilities and networking that you've 338 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:33.839 done, etc. And so that for me, I'm always looking at, 339 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.119 okay, you know, talk is kind of cheap, who can actually be 340 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:41.799 effective on these issues? Yeah, And look, I think that's a real 341 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.920 difference between myself and my opponent. I mean, he's gone out, he's 342 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:51.319 really curried the favor of sort of the Freedom Caucus folks, and he wants 343 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.720 to go be the bomb thrower. He wants to go blow up the the 344 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:59.319 you know, the caucus, the House of Representatives in a figurative way, 345 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:02.960 of course, but he wants to be that guy that's disruptive. I don't 346 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.200 want to go back and fight Republicans. I want to go back and build 347 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:11.400 a conservative majority to cut spending and to close the border and do these sorts 348 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.640 of things. And the only way we can do that is to take a 349 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:19.440 two seat House majority and make it a twenty seat or a thirty house majority. 350 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:26.039 Don't I'm not interested in overthrowing the speaker and having fights and getting on 351 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.599 Twitter. I'm going there to be a team player and to get stuff done 352 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:33.000 and to work for the American people. Well, I have no doubt you'd 353 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.319 be great. But hey, appreciate the time today and good luck. Hey 354 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.240 listen, Dan, You've been great. You've been awesome, always inviting me 355 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:48.680 on, and you know you're just a beacon of solid conservative you know, 356 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.000 you're just that guy. Well, thank you. Look to so we thank 357 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.279 you. Thank you. My friend that is Jeff Crank And hey, let's 358 00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:59.400 talk after Tuesday. You got it. Thank you, Tom, thank you. 359 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.680 Take care. Yeah, so you know we are blessed Ryan with a 360 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.920 ton of great conservative talent in Colorado. And you know we talked about in 361 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:12.599 advance of that CD four race up there where you have a lot of really 362 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:19.200 really strong candidates and yeah, I hope that if nothing else, during the 363 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:25.279 primaries, it's given some of the persuadable folks in Colorado who don't wear red 364 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:29.480 jersey or blue jersey. I hope it's given them a chance to see that 365 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:33.240 there is a lot of super sharp conservative talent out there. On that point. 366 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:38.400 To that point Dan, where I slightly disagree with Jeff is most primaries 367 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.720 I think are productive and they're beneficial for the voters because, like the fourth 368 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:47.440 Congressional race, it properly vets the candidates. You really get a chance to 369 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:51.759 see what these individuals are out all about and make an informed choice. Man, 370 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:52.759 I am with you on that. I mean, you don't want the 371 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.519 circular firing squad primary where the candidate who comes out of it is so weak 372 00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.240 and they can't win the general. Right, But I think primaries, like 373 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.240 everything in life, you and I, everybody, competition makes us better, 374 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.880 It makes us sharper, and listen, we're all going to have flaws, 375 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.599 we're all gonna have made mistakes. So primary get that stuff out there, 376 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.880 get it out there before the general, and if the public thinks it's that 377 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.200 big a deal, well then they can weigh in before the party chooses its 378 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:22.680 candidate. No, So I'm all for that. Easy for me to say, 379 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.079 I'm sitting here eating peanut butter. I'm not running a primary. But 380 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.960 I would say, I'm sitting here eating eating peanut butter, and nobody's lying 381 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.480 about me. I'm not running primary. I'm sitting here eating peanut butter, 382 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:34.400 and people are lying about me because I do a radio show. But it's 383 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.720 tougher when you're in that arena in a primary. When we come back, 384 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.400 I couldnot wait to talk to you about this. This state of Louisiana says, 385 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.119 Hey, every public school classroom, you got to put up the Ten 386 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:49.559 Commandments. You got ACLU and others going crazy saying blatantly unconstitutional. Where do 387 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.359 you come down on this? First, you know, on the legal piece, 388 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.079 because I'm here to tell you it is not blatantly unconstitutional. I'm not 389 00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.920 sure where the supremes will come down, but let's talk about where you want 390 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.640 them to come down. And then would you want this in Colorado? Would 391 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:08.400 you want the Ten Commandments in every public school classroom the way Louisiana says to 392 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.839 post him and those details matter. I'll get to those after the break on 393 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:18.119 the DANKPLA Show and now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast. I would 394 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:23.839 not be surprised if somehow these millions of illegal immigrants, somehow are casting votes 395 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:29.160 in the swing states to make sure that Joe Biden wins this selection. Because 396 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.599 we know that President Trump is winning on policy. We know that Joe Biden, 397 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.359 as you guys alluded to earlier, is not going to get through this 398 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.079 debate. It's going to be a disaster. And this is what the Democrats 399 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.160 are going to do. It's going to be the same way that he won 400 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.920 in twenty twenty. They're going to prime the pump using our resources, this 401 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.519 time our own federal tax dollars, not Mark Zuckerberg's money that was coming in 402 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:53.039 from Facebook before congress Woman Tenny There from New York kate five to five for 403 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:57.519 zero five eight two five five the number text d an five seven seven through 404 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.920 nine. If you just joined us, thank you. Maybe you're on your 405 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.319 way to see the Stones, right? Did you know? I was part 406 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.359 of putting on a Rolling Stones concert up at CU Boulder. This is back 407 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.920 in my day up there yet with the Stones, though I was the only 408 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:15.440 sober person there. I'm pretty convinced to that other than Barry Barry Fay Barry 409 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.160 was sober, but I was very sober. Interesting you bring that up and 410 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:25.000 enjoyed it. Don McClain joined me on my program That's Cool, a writer 411 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.960 of American Pie, and Tom Martino actually participated in the interview and one of 412 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.680 the things he commented on, so Don's you know, he's coming up in 413 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:37.400 the eighty Don stiff some contractors or something. No, it wasn't because of 414 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.599 that. No. Tom was a reporter at a very young age back in 415 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:45.359 nineteen sixty eight for a local newspaper in upstate New York, and that's where 416 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.519 Don McLean was playing. So that's the nexus of those two. But McLean 417 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.440 swears that clean living, not drinking, not doing drugs, not smoking. 418 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.720 That's how he's been able to keep the quality and the strength of his voice 419 00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.039 all these years. You would have to believe. I mean, how can 420 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:02.119 Jagger even say his name? But his voice has always been that way, 421 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:03.400 and it's always been cool. That's what's always been a part of it. 422 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.640 That there some of them are yellers and screamers and like Rod Stewart, and 423 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.000 that's never been really doniclaining style. But yeah, I mean it's a great 424 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.119 point because his voice remains very strong and very consistent. Yeah, I really 425 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.240 wanted to meet those guys and did not get the chance to stones But yeah, 426 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.559 yeah, did not get the chance to so I did not get to 427 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.839 play pinball, for example, which with Mick Jagger. But I'll bet it's 428 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.000 a great show tonight. You know, I'm really busy at work tomorrow at 429 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.480 the law firm tomorrow, or I would go to that show tonight. I 430 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.079 bet it's a great show. You know, those guys will perform great at 431 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.559 their funeral. I think they were joking and it kind of went along the 432 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.799 lines with the spinal tap Joe that we still want to be walking rollers one 433 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.240 with foldy, you know, and like they and I heard there are coming 434 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.480 up on eighty. Here's the seventies, well into their seventies and doing all 435 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:53.400 this. Yeah, yeah, it it's just picturing their groupies with the current 436 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.240 group of group. But you know, then it occurred to me it's probably 437 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.640 hasn't changed. Eight five five four zero five eight two five the number. 438 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:04.960 Hey, you hear about this Louisiana law that it's mandatory now to put up 439 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.440 ten commandments in the classroom, And you got a lot of people saying, 440 00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:12.599 slam dunk, they're going to lose in court. US Supreme Court said, 441 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:18.599 no, No, A sitting here right now, if I was betting you 442 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.480 my golf clubs, which would be a public service if I got rid of 443 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:25.880 those, if I was betting you my golf clubs, I would bet you 444 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:32.640 that this law withstands US Supreme Court scrutiny, that this law is upheld because 445 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.640 it is not as simple analysis as many of the left are making it out 446 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.440 to be right, because they're saying, hey, separation of church and state, 447 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.599 the Ten Commandments, they're inherently religious. You can't go put them up 448 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.720 in a public school classroom. But here's what they're missing. And i'll tell 449 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.319 you what I think the US Supreme Court is going to have to look like. 450 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:52.559 But really want to hear from you on this. Would you want to 451 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.440 do this in Colorado the way they're doing it in Louisiana, and the way 452 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:01.559 it matters because in Louisiana, yeah, they're putting up the Ten Commandments, 453 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:06.920 but they're putting up by law that they have to put up with the Ten 454 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:13.279 Commandments a context statement, and that the context statement, as I understand it, 455 00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.599 is going to point out that, hey, wait a second, that 456 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:21.640 the Ten Commandments, you know, reflect the moral tradition of the state, 457 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:28.319 that the Ten Commandments are foundational documents of our state and national government. The 458 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.440 contact statement isn't going to say get down on your knees and pray to the 459 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:36.960 God I worship. And the simple, truthful, factual matter is that for 460 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.519 most states in this nation, if not all, the Ten Commandments in fact 461 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:50.599 are foundational documents, foundational documents. They are part of the moral tradition of 462 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.200 the state. If I haven't argued there, but I think the US Supreme 463 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:58.119 Court, I think there's even Ten Commandments in the artwork above the US Supreme 464 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.680 Court. And so that's the point. And what happens now in these cases 465 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:06.960 is is the court, first, the trial court, We'll look at this 466 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.119 and do some fact finding. They'll look into the motivation behind it, because 467 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:15.119 that's what the Supreme Court is so focused on. Is it primarily because everybody, 468 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.680 we're all human, we all have a bunch of mixed motivations. Is 469 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:24.680 it primarily a religious motivation behind posting the Ten Commandments? Or is it primarily 470 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:31.559 a different motivation? Is it primarily a historic historical motivation, a secular moral 471 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:36.519 message. So so at the trial court level, I imagine they'll be doing 472 00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.640 a lot of e SI discover the electronically stored information like we do in our 473 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:44.240 law practice, looking at everybody's emails and things like that, to see, 474 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.799 Okay, what's the true motivation behind this. But keep in mind, you 475 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.799 know, you got this whole body of Supreme Court law that says, wait, 476 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.960 yeah, yeah, the state can't go in and say, hey, 477 00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.720 Ryan, you got to be a Christian or you got to be a Buddhist. 478 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.480 Right, the state can't establish a religion. But also, you know, 479 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.920 you got some pretty big amendments when it comes to freedom of religion, 480 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:10.800 starting with numerouno. And the point is that you cannot be as a constitutional 481 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:17.320 matter, you cannot be hostile to religion either. So you can't just say, 482 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.679 oh my goodness, somebody might see this religiously, we've got to throw 483 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.559 those ten Commandments out of the park or out of the school. No, 484 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:29.920 you can't be openly hostile to religion. So what's the primary motivation here? 485 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.400 Is it religious? If so, then under Supreme Court doctrine, those ten 486 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.760 Commandments will have to come down. But if it is. You know, 487 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.480 hey, this is historic. This is a moral tradition of the state. 488 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.119 This goes back to the founding documents of our state and it gets to stay 489 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:50.000 up. So would you want to see that done here in Colorado? Would 490 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:54.559 you want a law it says the Ten Commandments mandatory in every classroom. You're 491 00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.440 on the Den Capital Show.