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We talked about we would do if
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Let's talk about what we think they
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going to get into what the Bengals
will do in free agency, and we'll

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probably get the players slightly wrong,
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what their plan A is. Their
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we will talk about what we think
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let's start with what we think the
Bengals are going to do in free agency.

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We have an endea. Yeah,
well of course we do, right,

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We've spent weeks months talking about it, thinking about it, and the

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Bengals. First things first, I
do think they're going to be aggressive.

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and we'll have nuggets and information and
insight all throughout this free agency period

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because they just have a lot of
holes to fill. Jake and I expect

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them to address defensive tackle, and
address right tackle, and sign a tight

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end or multiple, address the weird
safety market and take advantage of that by

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getting someone in that room a veteran
and is that a twenty four year old,

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is that a thirty two year old? I think that element is interesting

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at both defensive tackle and in mid
twenties at least and safety. But I

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expect the Bengals to be aggressive.
I expect them to spend money. It's

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really a matter of who do they
spend it on. I think a big

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priority, and probably their biggest priority, is in the tackle rooms. At

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defensive tackle. I think they'll bring
out an outside body in at least one,

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and I expect them to sign a
veteran right tackle that they think can

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start if need be. Yeah,
And it's challenging to find and we've talked

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about this over the last week,
where they're going to have a bigger contract

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hit. It's challenging to get through
all of their cap space. When you

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go through some of the players,
you expect them to sign for some of

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the contracts that are projected. And
by the way, Brad Spielberger has been

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pretty on it for some of the
bigger deals that have happened so far,

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and it looks like he's wrong at
first because the initial reports for contracts are

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like, yeah, Ezra Cleveland three
years thirty million, and then it turns

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out as three years twenty four million, And Brad got the guarantees correct to

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the dollar for Ezra Cleveland, for
example. So that's happening but when you

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look at his contract projections and the
players we think the Bengals might go after,

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and you put all that into what
it would cost the Bengals from a

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cap perspective, it's legitimately hard for
me to find a way to spend all

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their money. And they'll maybe do
some extensions that'll bite into that as well,

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like maybe we'll see an Evan McPherson
extension this offseason. Maybe we will

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see the Jamar Chase extension come a
year earlier than it needs to come,

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where they can do a fifth year
after they have two more years of control.

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But he's extension eligible the way they
did with Burl last year, and

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they are sent ofvized to do so, but Jamar Chase is incentivized to wait.

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By the way, But outside of
some bigger money extensions for guys on

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the team, which could be what
they're carving out money for James, it's

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hard to figure out where they're spending
money in free agency and where they're making

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a splash if we're excluding guys like
Christian Wilkins and Chris Jones, which we

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more or less are. Yeah,
I agree, and so I don't want

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to completely exclude Wilkins. I think
it's like we made that mistake last year,

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right zo point zero three percent.
I think it's very low. There's

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a chance, and it's the Jim
carry this, So you tell me there's

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a chance. There's a chance,
and so never say never, because we

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know he's hitting the market. And
so if he's hitting the market, could

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they go that route? Yeah?
They could. And yet I look at

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this defensive line arena and to me, what do I think they want to

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keep? I think that keeping him
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that defensive tackle room because I just
don't know what he's going to be post

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injury. I get there aren't many
concerns, Like it just feels like everyone

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thinks he's going to bounce back again
and be fine, and he very well

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could be. Can the Bengals bank
on that? I don't think that they're

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as high on this draft class a
defensive tackle as some and so this idea

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that they're taking a defensive tackle at
eighteen and that's how they suck, I

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don't think that's super realistic either,
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of the money go towards defensive tackle
and if it's not Christian Wilkins. To

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your point, are they going Tier
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I don't think they do that either, even though that's kind of what I

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would do, is I would be
prioritizing it to that level and getting multiple

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bodies in that mid tier, not
just one, and not just Reader and

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a piece. That's what I would
do. To me, I think they

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try to bring back Reader and then
add one and I'm going to be here

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two three weeks from now, like, all right, well that's probably not

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enough, even if you do add
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what do we think they're going to
do. So, say they're prioritizing DJ

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Reader, they really would like him
back. Say we take them at their

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word for what they said at the
combine where they're trying to find a way

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to bring him back. They find
a way to bring Reader back. They

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presumably know more about his injury and
recovery than we do. He's been in

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the building every day, as Luen
and Reumo pointed out at the Combine,

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doing his rehab, which will stop
perhaps by the time you listen to this

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episode when the new league year,
will probably not by the time you've listened

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to this episode. But when the
new league year hits in his contract officially

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expires, he can, I think
technically because legal tampering isn't the new league

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year? Yeah, I think Monday
he could be working out there, yes,

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And so you know how awkward that
would be if it's like, hey,

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the insert whatever team is willing to
offer you this, all right,

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let's go there, and he's like, all right, let me finish up

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working out. I don't know if
we'll be there on money. You probably

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stay home from school that day.
And I wonder, right, so,

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if we're talking about defensive tackle,
they're one hundred signing a nose tackle?

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Is that DJ Reader? Is that
Grover Stewart? Is that Tier Tart?

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Is that a lower dollar player like
Raykwon Davis, Ashan Robinson, Poona Ford

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going down the list? Right,
that's what we need to determine. I

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think their Plan A is DJ Reader. I think their Plan B is Tier

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Tart, And perhaps both of those
things are actually Plan A. But I

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think that they probably only want to
spend big money on one nose tackle,

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and then you need a Josh Chupo
replacement, and that's where you start to

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talk about some of those lower dollar
guys like the Puna Foord the World,

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and I think that's kind of where
they're starting. And I think you're also

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looking for a depth piece at three
Tech, and that's where I really wonder

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how much money they'll spend if it
is just the two million dollar Maurice Hirst

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flyer or if it's something a little
bit more substantial. I know that Javon

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Kinlaw has been talked about quite a
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out of the draft, or if
they go for the veteran the solid piece,

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and we talked about and now what
will we do the Shelby Harris.

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Still hard to project them doing the
one year deals for the thirty plus year

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olds because they haven't done it.
But if I were handicapping it, I

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would think dj veaders plan A tier
Tart's Plan B. And also in addition

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to that, they're looking for a
three Tech rotational piece. Yeah, I

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agree, and they need to.
They have to find something there. And

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Kim Law fits the age profile.
But is that do they think he can

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produce at that level? I do
wonder that I'm just looking here. Maybe

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it is Maurice Hurst you know,
maybe they go because to me, he's

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he's the guy that could actually make
the impact that you're looking for. I

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will say this, they it feels
like they're going to address it, thinking

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that DJ Reader is going to be
ready to go early in twenty twenty four,

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early in the season, and I
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me a little because I just don't
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and they're banking and there would be
a little blind faith there. But

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what do I expect them to do. I think they will sign Reader and

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maybe you're right, miss out on
a tart level guy, and then I

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think they'll get in on one of
these one of these guys. You know,

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is it Rankins? Could they go
Reader? Rankins? I think that's

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that's thirty five million dollars on that's
starter level money for three defensive tackles.

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I don't think the Bengals do it. I mean, we've talked about this.

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I don't think the Bengals like to
play pay starter level money for aational

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pieces. They haven't done it.
We'll see that. And that's the dilemma

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because I would be willing to in
this class. It doesn't feel like it.

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You're right, and so where do
they spend it? Let's continue.

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So we think they're going to addressed
defensive tackle, maybe not to the level

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on the defensive tackle list that we
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you're talking about the cheap, rotational
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profile, yep, twenty seven.
But let's talk tackle. We've we've talked

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defensive tackle to death. We think
nose tackle for sure. I think DJ

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Vaders plan a Grover Stewart might be
one of their plans, if it's like

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a two year deal. But just
because of the age, I like it.

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I like Grover Stewart, I do. And you're right, the age,

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that's what's really tough. And I've
seen some of the YouTube comments.

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We're basing it. We're not agis
against thirty year olds. The Bengals just

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haven't targeted those guys in free agency. They immightly averse to it. They

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they do it, they might have
to a defensive tackle. They might have

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to this year. Might yeah,
because because like the class on the whole,

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the texture of the free agency class
on the whole is a little bit

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older and not very top heavy and
so like previous years where they've signed a

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bunch of our tier three guys and
our free agency list is out there.

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You've got it on all Bengals dot
Com, we've tweeted it, we sent

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that crew. But they've gone for these

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tier three guys, these mid mid
level money guys, and they've they've hit

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They've been really really good there.
They've been one of the best teams in

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free agency in recent years. So
they need to get back to that this

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year and find those guys that were
not anticipating being big difference makers and be

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smarter than us again. Can it? Let me run a scenario bite if

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they signed Tier Tart, What would
you be okay with tartan Stewart even though

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they're both kind of in the same
realm with bj Hill like you think that

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fits? Would I be okay?
To? What do I think the Bengals

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would do that? You you this
is I know, this is what would

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they do? But say Reader signs
elsewhere they already have Tart under contract,

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and then they pivot to Stewart and
we're talking about those three and then who

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knows that at that three tech roll, I think you still could go get

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a Hurst for low end money.
But how would you feel about that trio.

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I think that it's solid, like
you don't have a you don't have

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a donkey to use, you know, the Paul Danner terminology there, like

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the no donkeys theory on the interior
defensive line. You could go that way.

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Yep, No, I agree,
And I think that's got to be

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their mindset, especially if the big
dog DJ gets away and there is a

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chance he gets away, there's a
chance they resign him. I think they

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want him. I think we've seen
it work out before them. We've seen

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it not work out before. So
we'll see their right tackle is going to

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be an outside higher, that is
mister outside higher. And who will it

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be? This screams to me,
Jake Mack i Becton. I think what

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will they do? I think they
may target him. He may be the

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guy because he's almost twenty five,
he's in mid twenties going into his prime.

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Frank Pollack I assume believes in him
since he was there with the Jets

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when they picked him eleventh overall,
and I think Beckton will look at it

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as all right, I can go
start there and I can go build my

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NFL resume a bit with a guy
that believed in me four years ago.

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So to me, I think they
signed Makai Beckton. I know we've talked

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about Illuminaor and on WNU and Trent
Brown. I think Beckton is high on

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their list, and that's who I
think they end up with. That's the

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one that seems to make a lot
of sense if they don't go that route,

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they don't go for one of those
topic guys. Because I wouldn't rule

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out Trent Brown, I wouldn't rule
out Makai Beckson. I think Makai Beckton

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is threading the needle of some of
the things they've talked about. You know

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that the guy to rebuild his career, young, ascending pedigree, familiarity with

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the offense of line coach. But
maybe they look at their history and they

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say, you know what, we've
tried stuff like that before, and we

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want somebody who has shown that he
can do it for a longer period of

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time. I do agree with you
that I think becked in if we had

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to pick a name out of a
hat is the name that we would pick.

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I don't know why there's not more
thought about, like, what's the

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difference if you're looking for a one
year bridge option to your pick at eighteen,

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which seems like a very likely potential
plan A between Beckton for a year

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with his injury history and the level
of play he showed last year and a

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guy like Cam Fleming who is very
unexciting but has been a good pass protector

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in the league for a long time. And if you're doing a one year

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bridge option, how different is Cam
Fleming from Riley Reef. I mean,

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there's the difference. Riley Reef had
a much higher peak, but at the

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point in the career where you got
Riley Reef. I mean, if you're

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upset that they missed out on Chukuoma
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you know, I see those guys
as pretty similar pass protectors, and you

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can look at other athletic younger guys
coming off their first yeals of yosh Nijman

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from from Green Bay as well.
But it's really hard to find a right

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tackle that checks all the boxes,
which is why we keep coming back to

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these short term solutions. Yeah,
I was surprised they weren't in on a

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core of four. The moment he
got released, I thought, oh,

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well, you could just try to
get him and do it because the Patriots

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have the need there and now it
just it clears them to potentially address it

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with their thirty fifth pick or whatever
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just gives them somebody right as they
lose Trent Brown and potentially Mike and Wanu

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two. So yeah, I was
surprised that they're just there aren't a ton

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of options. And I think they'll
look at the age the profile of Bectin

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and that will sway them to your
point, if it's just one year anyway,

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why And I think their answer would
be, well, there's potential with

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Bectin, and who knows, maybe
he is good and then maybe he does

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become part of the long term solution. I think it's a small percentage,

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but I do think it's why he
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where it's guaranteed it would be a
one and done type scenario like Riley

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Reef, which I think everyone knew
going into it. It's a bit different

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with Becton. If he does play
well next year, say for them at

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right tackle. I just want to
really quickly check before we move on to

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where Beckton has played lately. So
he did play a little bit at right

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tackle to start the year in twenty
twenty three, but then was a left

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tackle, and then you go back
to his rookie year, I think he

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was a left tackle all year.
So he did play two games at right

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tackle in the NFL and one of
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was against Buffalo early in the year. At least he's done it, so

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there's that. Yeah. I really
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It's just that's because the free agency
group at right tackle doesn't offer terribly compelling

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solutions and you're probably setting up to
pick a guy in the draft, right

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Yeah. Yeah, And that's really
with any of these guys, even if

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they signed Mike and Leno. I'd
feel that way where you do it and

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it's not preventing you. Now they
might say it would prevent them, but

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it's not preventing you. You do
not want to prevent yourself from being able

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to take a tackle and feel great
about it at pick eighteen. That is

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a good point. The money thing
does not lie with the Bengals. If

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they're paying you guys, starter level
money, he's going to start for them,

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probably the position they signed him to
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Yes, we talked about, Oh
they can move Ted Harris to guard every

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He's going to start at center for
them next year. Man, I'm just

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glad. I'm not glad he ended
up with the Ravens, but I was

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in on Lenarbaum that year. You
know, we shouted from the mountaintops.

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They weren't. I'm just glad they
couldn't pass on him because if they would

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have passed on him, I'd have
been like, oh no, because he's

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obviously really good. Let's get to
all of the other positions. We spend

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a lot of time on trenches.
Look, it's a trench appropriately trench focused

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free agency period for the Bengals.
We expect them to be in and examining

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it and as of now, we'll
see. But let's get to safety and

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running back and all of these other
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tight end, we got to hit
safety, We got to hit running back.

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We know what they're gonna do.
Let's go ty. I think they're

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going to do. They are going
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because he's getting paid by the Panthers
in twenty twenty four and he will be

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free virtually for the Bengals this year. They're going to bring back Drew Sample,

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They're going to bring back Tanner Hudson
unless he gets a better offer than

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they're willing to pay. I don't
think they're willing to pay any of those

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guys very much. They're going to
go cheap with the position. Again.

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I don't think they're in on Noah
Fan who's now at the top, the

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very top of the market, with
Hunter Henry and Dalton Schultz signing deals before

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free agency hits. You know,
maybe they kick the tires on one of

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the lower end guys like Kobe Parkinson
Adam Troutman. Maybe they talk to Mike

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Gaseki as well. They've passed on
that up opportunity of the last few years

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when maybe the price tag is more
appealing to them this year. But there

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is a pretty clear path that's tight
yep, Hayden Hurst. I agree with

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you on Kobe Parkets, and I
think they could be in on him,

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Tanner Huts and drews Hample. That's
what I expect. Again, I never

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expected them to break the bank for
Noah Fan anyways, and now that I

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expect him to get ten plus million
per year because he's really the only guy,

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so I think his projection is going
to go up and it's not a

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great class. I agree with you
on tight end. Safety is interesting because

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safety is something we've talked a ton
about. I would be in on Jordan

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Poyer for like two million bucks.
I would try to steal him. And

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yet I think they're going to go
bigger than that and find someone in that

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six set. We've talked about it
and it frustrates me, but I just

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think it's going to happen. That
six to nine million dollar range is the

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number you've thrown out to me like
when we've messaged, and I feel like

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that's accurate. I think that they're
going to be in there. Will that

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be enough to get as Javier McKinnie, Probably not, but I think you

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could get a tier below that in
a quality safety that they like. And

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I don't love it, but I
think that's what they're going to do.

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And the NFL is going cheap at
safety safety very much so at this point

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seems to be the running back of
the defensive position where the market just isn't

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there, although the marketed positions that
aren't tackles, quarterbacks or wide receivers in

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the NFL is also just not exploding
the way those positions are. But you

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start to get to the Geno Stone
Jordan Whitehead, I think that's who it

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is. The group of guys.
Sure, I think that maybe that's Plan

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A right, and then one of
those other guys could be Planned B.

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Genostone, a guy they're familiar with, a guy that does the free safety

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things. They want a guy that
played in a complicated defense, the Mike

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McDonald defense, which we talked about. You need to be a pretty smart

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player to play in that defense the
way that they disguise. They also will

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have competition for Mike McDonald, who
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Ginostone playing a thousand snaps for the
Ravens last year. So one of

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those guys start with Genostone sounds good
to me. And then we can talk

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running back, but there are a
lot of options of safety. They're going

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to sign a starting free safety to
starting level money. They'll probably cut Nick

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Scott as soon as that deal is
done, and then we can talk about

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running back. Yeah. Yeah,
I agree with you. Running back is

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interesting. I think they get cheaper
there as well. I don't know exactly

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who they like. I think Zach
Moss makes sense, but I just think

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the Clyde Edwards a layer thing.
I've been on it, and maybe I'm

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dead wrong, maybe they're not in
I think that's someone that they could target

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and sign really really cheap and open
up their draft board and it would be

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enough to get cheaper in that room
and save money and use that elsewhere.

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So that would be a guy to
mention. But I do think Zach Moss

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makes a ton of sense. But
they also could like steal a DeAndre Swift

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or someone of that tier because it's
such a flooded market. It would not

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shock me at all if they're able
to stumble in kind of like safety to

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someone like that. Yeah, I
think they're trying to get cheaper at running

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back is going to be the great
thing. I do expect that they will

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move on from Joe Mixon. I
wouldn't say that's in stone. I think

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the family might want to keep mixing
around, but they want to get cheaper

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the position. Mixon, I think, to his credit, does want to

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stay in Cincinnati, but they've got
that three million dollar roster bonus to negotiate.

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Gus Edwards and Zach Moss are pretty
similar tiers of player to me,

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and both are projected to get the
same two year, three point seventy five

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million a year kind of contract.
Danta Foreman, Dante Foreman, the Antonio

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Gibson, clydevers A Layer, some
other names. So if they wanted to

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double dip and go like Zach Moss, clydevers a Layer and those guys combined

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to cost probably a little bit less
than mixing, you can see it.

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And then they might draft a guy
too, or maybe they go one drafted

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guy and then bring somebody else in
later. If their goal is to get

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cheaper, I don't know why they
wouldn't just go Chase Clyde and then draft,

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you know. I think I think
they just they want somebody with experience

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like that, that guts. I'd
where Zach Moskat a player too, sure,

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and we'll see there. And I
do wonder if those projections are too

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high. I really do, because
there's just so many last year, right,

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Like it's weird. It is weird
because I get it. I also

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think somaj would be lost in this
year's class because there's just so there's so

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many. And also it maybe just
means there's that tier doesn't get impacted,

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but the high tier just comes down
some that that could be what it is

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too. From a crunching standpoint,
do you think I'm trying to think here

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cornerback? You've been in on corner
a little bit. Do you think they

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had a veteran I think I think
so. I think a three million dollar

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or so corner. That's the Christian
Fulton s Dane Jackson's a Meek Robertson's of

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the world, Rock Your Sin like
that tier of corner. One of those

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guys I don't have name. I
don't have a specific target there. Fulton

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is the guy that I keep coming
back to. He's actually a second round

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pick, not a first round pick
like I thought he was. But Cheeto,

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Cheeto, what about Cheeto? I
think he comes back Okay, cheap,

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cheap. I don't think he's going
to have a big market. I

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really don't. The way he has
a big market is at the top of

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this cornerback free agency group is just
non existent. And I just I don't

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think he's that. And maybe I'm
wrong, you know, maybe there's a

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team that says, let's go get
him. But I would be a bit

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surprised. Have we hit on all
of them? Are there any dark horse

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positions that you think we could be? Like, where are they going to

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surprise us? I don't think they're
signing a wide receiver Harrison, Butker,

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I'm serious surprised. I think that
there is a I don't think it's out

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of the realm. We've talked about
Kicker a punter. You said Butcker.

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No, No, sorry, JEEZL, I did say Butker. Sorry wrong,

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Kansas City. Good Look, why
would I say Butker? Tommy Townsend,

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Tommy Townsend, all right, Okay, my bad, Sorry money Mack.

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You got your money mack nickname from
this pod? All right, So

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I'm sorry. I did not mean
that. No, I think Tommy Townsend.

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I think we've talked about where are
they going to spend their money?

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It would not shock me if they
look up and they're like, can we

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just solve this and be done?
If anything, for McPherson, it would

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be the kicker move the kicker.
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry,

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but that would be surprising to me. It would, but it would

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not shock me. But maybe that's
where they spend money because we can't find

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a place for them to spend this
money. That's right. Maybe they're like,

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hey, we have money to put
them down. What will they do?

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We'll put Tommy Townsend down. I
will say this, it was the

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door wasn't shut on it at the
combine. Yeah, so if it's not

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shut on punter, there's at least
a chance. And he held for Evan

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McPherson a Florida, So there's Oh, there's that. There you go.

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Let's talk about this compensatory pick stuff
real quick before we get out of here

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real quick. So we have summarize
what we think they will do. Yeah,

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we have them signing Geno Stone or
someone of that level, bringing back

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DJ Reader, signing to your Tart
Hayden Hurst, Mackay Beckton, a Zach

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Moss level running back. Moving on
from Joe Mixon and signing Tommy Townsend and

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moving on from Mixon is not in
Stone. We also have them moving on

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from Nick Scott as well, and
I don't miss anything. I don't think

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Tyler Boyd is back. I don't
think they have extended an offer. I

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think you will go elsewhere in free
agency and that that has run its course

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in Cincinnati. Yeah, we've feeling
about Tyler Boyd so quickly. On the

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compensatory pick subject, the Cincinnati Bengals
were awarded two sixth round compensatory picks by

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the NFL Management Council, who manages
all of the cop pick stuff every year,

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and that was a bit of a
surprise. We were expecting a fifth

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for von Bell and a sixth I
believe for samaj p Ryan or whatever other

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free agent that would were. There
were a couple of six round guys that

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could have been the sixth round pick. Instead they get two six But Nick

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Cordyo overthcap dot com, who tracks
the compensatory projections every year with a now

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public formula. By the way,
this is not the black box it once

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was. The new CBA publicized this
formula. We know exactly how it works,

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and he thinks that there might have
been a mistake and the reason that

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there might have been a mistake is
the way that they figure out where the

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cutoffs are for each round. Is
this based on the percent of value compared

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to the rest of the NFL in
the top five percent of the NFL in

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their formula, which is money,
playtime, honors, give you some bonus

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points for playtime and honors kind of
tiebreakers. You get a list of eighteen

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hundred or so players that go into
the list, and according to that list,

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there are some teams that maybe should
have gotten more than they did.

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And the reason for that is that, for whatever reason, this year there

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were only sixty four players in the
pool, or sixty two players in the

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pool that would have qualified for third
round picks. And you look at previous

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years, and the lowest number of
players that it's been to qualify for a

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third round pick in the last ten
years is ninety five. This year is

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sixty two. It's typically ninety five
to one hundred and five in that range,

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right around one hundred players. This
year, for some reason, it

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was only sixty two, which leads
us all to think. After Nick Cordy's

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analysis and he points us out for
the first time that something looks weird.

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Something is off. This year probably
primarily affects the forty nine ers and the

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and the bills for Tremaine Edmans and
Mike McGlinchey, but also could impact the

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Bengals, where Jesse Bates is player
number sixty three, and if the cutoff

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is at sixty two, well that's
just bad luck for the Bengals. However,

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it's not quite so simple, because, like I said, usually there's

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ninety five or more players in that
top group that third round group. Orlando

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Brown will be ninety one, so
it's possible that both Orlando Brown and Jesse

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Bates would be third rounders, still
canceling each other out. It's also possible

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that there's fewer players than ever in
that third round cutoff, and that Jesse

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Bates is a third rounder and Orlando
Brown will remain a fourth rounder in the

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formula, and the Bengals should have
a third round cop pick. We'll see

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if there are appeals made, but
it does look like there's a potential error

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this year because that third round cutoff
at sixty two is a massive outlier compared

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to the last ten years. Doesn't
make any sense at all, and I

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think there's a slim but not non
exist chance. So the Bengals are actually

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owed a third round. Cop pick, give me the third round, or

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you know what that could be.
That could be the running back everyone was

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talking about. That could be the
defensive tackle that we've talked about. Oh,

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that could be so many different things. That could be the interior alignment.

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Christian Haynes, come on down,
I'm not good. I'll take the

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third round. Or baby will be
great. There you go, there's my

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celebration. It would be. It
would be a game changer. Honestly,

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and by the time you listen to
this, the NFL might have said something

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about it. That's why we threw
it at the end of the episode.

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Hopefully that explanation made sense. I've
tweeted about it as well. If you

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want to read the explanation. I've
got a bunch of tweets on the topic

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that you can go check out on
Twitter. But that's it. We'll be

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back when the Bengals make a move
or don't make a move. Well,

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we'll talk about what's going on in
day one of let's just call it free

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agency. I know it's not the
new league year, but it's legal tampering

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periods of mouthful it starts. I
don't know why they don't start it on

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the eleventh. Who cares? Just
make it free agency? That it doesn't

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because because reasons I don't know.
Anyway, the next time you hear from

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us will be either recapping what the
Bengals have done to start the free agency

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period or what they haven't done and
what players have left the field and are

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no longer available for the Bengals to
pick from. Hopefully we're talking about some

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moves. We will have you covered
here on a Lockdown Bengals as quickly as

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possible for each of those moves.
Until next time, Bengals fans enjoy the

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last bit of calumn before free agency. Thanks for listening, who day,

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and have a good one.

