WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:07.559 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:13.919 fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services. Make sure your most prized possessions kat 3 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:18.640 z R two side and iHeart Radio Station. Y. Good afternoon, everybody. 4 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:21.719 Welcome to I on the Ball here Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve 5 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:25.239 Rivera, He's jagn Zois and we got a guy Jason with us today. 6 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:29.760 Welcome to what could be a crazy, crazy afternoon. We're gonna have some 7 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:33.920 two great, two great, two big guests, uh, sports writers on 8 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.560 the radio right and guys who have more of a national perspective because you know, 9 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:43.520 we've been so zeroed in on the on the Arizona situation. But um, 10 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:46.880 you know Jim Moore, we just had in him here in the last 11 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:51.159 couple hours. He's a radio host up in Seattle, so just kind of 12 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:54.240 get a sense from him of what's going on up there with the Oregon and 13 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:59.000 Washington. There's a Washington Board of Regent speting tonight. And then um um 14 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.560 Dennis Dodds, who's national national college football writer for CBS Sports. Yeah, 15 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:07.840 Dennis has been on this from day one. He knows a lot of what's 16 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.400 going on. And I think it's funny because we all we all know everybody's 17 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.200 a reporter on Facebook, right and Twitter? Everyone knows who they really don't 18 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.159 know. But it's kind of a slow trickle. It's been a slow trickle 19 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.519 for a long time. Yeah, well it was so much it's still being 20 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.120 being done behind the scenes right there. Just but I think we're getting to 21 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:29.040 a point where some public uh stuff has to happen. Yeah, you know, 22 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:32.200 voats have to take place. You know, somebody, somebody's gotta you 23 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:34.120 know, I don't know, take the finger out of the dike on this, 24 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.719 so get so it can just start to happen. Well yeah, yeah, 25 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.079 let me say this. Uh, we kind of I don't know if 26 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:45.879 we criticized a issue, but we just knew they were kind of sleeping on 27 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.640 this. Was that a right term? Yeah, they were very hesitant to 28 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.079 do to do anything. But at the end of the day, yeah, 29 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:55.560 they had to come around there right there. It's a matter of survival. 30 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:59.159 I'm not sure their tactic was correct or whatever, but at the end of 31 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.159 the day they're gonna be along with Arizona. That's what we kind of get 32 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.680 right. Yeah, I don't think I think it'd be a shock that they 33 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.840 weren't. Yeah, I heard one of the funniest takes on that it was 34 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:10.680 I just couldn't. I just kind of apply from from you know, some 35 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:20.680 as U troll type person saying that the Big Twelve was coming after Arizona hard 36 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:27.280 because they knew that Arizona would drag ASU to the Big Twelve and that really 37 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:31.800 as U was the prize, not Arizona. Oh what who was this? 38 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:37.800 Just some some guy? And in response to something saying that the whole strategy 39 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:40.879 bed time behind bringing Arizona to the Big Twelve was really to get as U 40 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.199 into the Big because they really wanted Asu more than they wanted Arizona. Sure, 41 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.439 and Sara, I know that's it, but that's the kind of ridiculousness 42 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:55.280 we're seeing on you know, everywhere, not not only from trolls, but 43 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:59.439 like from from media. I told you I had a rant that maybe maybe 44 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:01.919 now, but it's just real quick. Here here's a I love Dan Wetzel, 45 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:07.240 he's on. I love the podge that he's got with Pat pad forty 46 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:10.439 and uh and Ross Stallinger. Here was Here was Wetzel's take yesterday. First, 47 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:17.080 and mind you people have been ridiculing the PAC twelve for the Apple TV 48 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:23.159 TV contract, getting ten million dollars less than everybody else, no visibility, 49 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:29.599 it's a streaming thing. Dan Wetzel's take was, the team's left in the 50 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.960 PAC ten Okay, the nine teams that are left, they should take the 51 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:38.439 ten million dollars less and go on Apple TV to keep the PAC twelve alive. 52 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:43.439 Okay, to keep the conference alive, take ten million dollars less than 53 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.199 the Big twelve is getting, because there's other places to get the money, 54 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:52.680 he said. For instance, he said, Arizona's got forty students, so 55 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.879 put two hundred and fifty dollars on the student athletic fee to recoup the ten 56 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.280 million dollars. And they said, and you've got your money back, and 57 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:06.199 you're fine. And he completely skipped over the fact that he said, you're 58 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:10.240 you're you're fine. Your conference will survive you idea, and completely skipped over 59 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:14.560 the fact that if the PAC twelve stays, takes his contract and is on 60 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:18.199 streaming, how are they going to get players? Players are gonna say, 61 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:25.920 he he said, is if if they can see Oregon is a kid is 62 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:31.040 a kid who's choosing between Oregon and uh, let's say, Oklahoma State, 63 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.839 are they They'll still go to Oregon? And I'm like, no, they 64 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.759 won't. They want to be on ESPN and Fox. They don't want to 65 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:41.480 be on Apple TV. Jason, I mean yeah, I mean kids want 66 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:45.199 exposure, they want He completely skipped over that. He said, take the 67 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.519 ten million dollars less, go get it from your students, and keep the 68 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.680 conference alive. And I thought that was one of the dumbest takes I've ever 69 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:55.079 heard about. All of this from a from a pretty good from from a 70 00:04:55.079 --> 00:05:00.319 really good smart guy, and a guy who's been on board with everybody already 71 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.439 else making fun of the PAC twelve for its lack of a TV contract and 72 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.240 then a TV contract that was gonna be all streaming and it was gonna be 73 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:11.279 less money than everybody else. Now he's saying take it, and I'm like, 74 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.560 what are you doing? Yeah, no, my whole thing in this 75 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:16.879 and it's kind of like, now you know what's gonna happen, blah blah 76 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:21.839 blah. It took a twelve thirteen months, right, thirteen months, when 77 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.600 you know, I joke about this all the time. I shaved my legs 78 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.319 for this when we kind of like I already knew it was gonna happen, 79 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.199 but we just you know, how many times did I shaved my legs for 80 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:35.560 this? By the way, I have nice legs and they're not shaved. 81 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:39.720 Of course, No, I've been fooled it off. I'd been fooled it 82 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:44.160 off. But now now we could kind of move on. Maybe maybe after 83 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.639 tonight you have to remind the people, well, we got to see because 84 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:53.240 there's the Arizona Border Regents meeting that's tonight at six thirty I think, right, 85 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:57.959 yeah, six thirty seven. It starts with an executive session. Now, 86 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.319 I think I read on the agenda that they can come out of executive 87 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.800 session and conduct business. So I don't know if they're going to come out 88 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:09.000 of that and conduct a vote, because I think the vote has to be 89 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:13.759 public. I'm going based off what how the Colorado Border Regions handled their deal. 90 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.720 They had an executive session, they decided what they were going to do. 91 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.839 Then they held another board meeting where they had in publicly it was a 92 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:24.879 public meeting, and they voted to go to the Big twelve. I think 93 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:30.399 that that I'm assuming that it's a similar type of process for the Arizona Border 94 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:34.000 Regions, and then the Washington Border Regions has a meeting tonight, but there's 95 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:38.839 is also going to go immediately into executive session. They might be like a 96 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:43.120 step behind Arizona right now. We'll find out. We'll talk to Jim Moore, 97 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.920 see what he knows about what he thinks is going to happen. Yeah, 98 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:48.319 up there right, Okay, No, a lot of things going on 99 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:54.079 today, looking forward to all this because it could finally eventually maybe here we 100 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.439 go. I mean we you know, we we invited John Willer and he 101 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.319 was going to be on the show today packed off hotline, and then when 102 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:01.319 I stopped to him this morning, he just said he wasn't gonna be able 103 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.240 to He wasn't gonna able to do it because so much was going on, 104 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:09.560 and and really, I mean, this thing can change minute to minute, 105 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:13.120 you know. We but what we know now, maybe they're sure. We 106 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.439 know in a half an hour from now, sure, I'm not sure. 107 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:19.319 We'll probably try to get the president on here, maybe next week or whatever. 108 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:23.600 I think one of the questions we probably need to ask him, if 109 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:29.839 he's gonna answer this at all, is that we're or are issue and Arizona 110 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:34.759 attached together, whether whether by perception or otherwise, because everyone has their thought, 111 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:36.959 no they're not, because I think he said no, they're not. 112 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:41.199 He said that, he said they could do whatever they want, so, 113 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.439 which is implies that they're which implied yes, that they could go to it. 114 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.360 They could have gone or could go to the Big twelve on their own, 115 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.120 on their own. So so and maybe they are, and maybe he 116 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:55.279 spoke who knows well, but but it seems that they're If they're gonna go, 117 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:57.959 they're gonna go together. Yeah, because well because this Bard of Regions 118 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:03.040 meeting tonight has both Rain and Michael Crowe, the ASU president, after report 119 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.439 or reporting uh to the Border Regents in the executive session, so they've kind 120 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.759 of like come together. All the media we've seen over the last twenty four 121 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:16.519 hours has been that as U has kind of flipped over and and said, 122 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:20.319 yeah, well we'll go. Not didn't have any choice. I mean, 123 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.120 the fire sale the PAC twelve is is a fire sales. Look, I 124 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:28.199 hate it, you know. Uh, you know, Michael lev Was was 125 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.720 was tweeting some stuff last last night, and I'm like, you know, 126 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.039 because Pat Forty went on and and you know, made similar comments to as 127 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:39.120 as Wetzel saying, you know this is all crap, that that this is 128 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.919 all ending and everybody's grabbing the money. I'm like, you know, and 129 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:46.320 why can't you know, why can't these schools just why can't it just stay 130 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:48.600 the way it is. I'm like these you know, Asu and Arizona, 131 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:54.480 they have to go because he can't be competitive if they stay. Well forty 132 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:56.240 had a similar take. Well, let me say this to you, you 133 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.919 Jay, and to these two guys who I respect very because they're our friends, 134 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:05.080 that our colleagues. If if SI or whomever, they've worked at the 135 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.200 top, if someone else has given you extra money to do the same job, 136 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.080 you're doing a lot more money. Actually, in fact, you've been 137 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.600 to tell me they're gonna stay for that job. No, no, no, 138 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:15.799 they're gonna go. They're gonna go for the cash graph exactly. And 139 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.279 then and there there there there bemoaning the fact that this all became a money 140 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:22.440 grab, that everything going on with college athletics has become about the money. 141 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.679 And it has and I hate it like everybody else. But how can you 142 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.399 tell, how can you say to the remaining schools in the Pac twelve stay 143 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:37.000 where you are yet ten million dollars less than the next lowest group and be 144 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:43.720 on a crappy have a crappy streaming deal, stay there because for the for 145 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:48.600 the good of college athletic No, no, no way, Well, jay, 146 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:50.679 uh, we've been here almost three years in a few weeks now, 147 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.240 right, three years. I can't We were here for the pandemic where we 148 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.919 heard that's when I started, And didn't we have he key on? And 149 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.919 how much were they losing that year? So okay, we're gonna spide ourselves 150 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.200 to continue to be in debt. Yeah, when they still got to get 151 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.840 out of dinner. Yeah, you know. And and again another thing of 152 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:11.759 Wetzel failed to mention, you know what's coming up, having to pay the 153 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.879 players. Yeah, you can't sit there and take less money than everybody else 154 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.679 when you're gonna be in the situation that everybody else in is in by having 155 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.799 to pay players. Yeah. Yeah, So how can you sit there on 156 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:30.480 one hand ridicule the deal and then on the other hand say take the deal. 157 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:35.519 I don't understand how any media can be doing that. And that's exactly 158 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.080 what Dan Wetzel did. He was he was ripping. He's been ripping on 159 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.840 the Pack twelve. Like everybody else deservedly soul, the PAC twelve deserved to 160 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.360 be ripped on, ripped on for not getting a better TV deal, ripping 161 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.399 on him, ripping on and ripping on him and then saying take the deal. 162 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.720 Yeah. Well, I just like to tweet from our colleague, judge 163 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.559 uh Spears Uh. And I've said this all along because I agree with him 164 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.559 when Klikoff said the longer we wait to be that was that was That was 165 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:07.639 not right. It was just and I'm sure he didn't speak because he needed 166 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:09.759 to convince that the people in the room that that's what the case was. 167 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:15.519 Yeah, that was George looks bad. Yeah, you think about it now, 168 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:18.639 Jay, is there gonna be a PAC ten, PAC twelve, pack 169 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:20.600 eight whatever? Pack? Well? I got I got asked last night. 170 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.080 I said, well, does Clafcoff lose his job? I said, well, 171 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.720 keep what happened? He does, because there isn't gonna be a job, 172 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:30.279 right, you know, you know there's not gonna be a PAC twelve, 173 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:31.639 so he's not gonna have a job. If the PAC twel folds up, 174 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.399 there's doesn't need a commissioner. No, don't forget to turn off the 175 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:39.039 lights and close the doors. Yeah, and that's no disrespect. Again, 176 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.480 but you're right, there's no job, there's no place to be. The 177 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.720 boss had Yeah, I mean they closed down the newspaper, right, so 178 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:48.840 the publisher didn't have a job, right, No, so neither do the 179 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:54.519 sports right. I sorry I started to bringing that one out. Hey, 180 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.559 dude, I'm still suffering the effects of it. It is what it is. 181 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:03.200 Yeah, but again, it's just it took thirteen months to get here. 182 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.120 When I think, and maybe this is another question for them, is 183 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.279 didn't it wasn't The obvious choice was to kind of either you couldn't get the 184 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.159 deal, and you knew you were going to get the deal. We gotta 185 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.360 figure something else right months ago, right, And and it's a it's a 186 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:22.440 matter of survival. It's a matter of survival. And I'm sorry for for 187 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:26.279 these guys to say to ignore the fact that if if the PAC twelve takes 188 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:35.120 this deal and is on streaming that athletes, you know that they would need 189 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.720 to be competitive. Are not going to go to those schools when they can 190 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:43.360 go to this school over here and beyond Fox and ESPN every week. Yeah, 191 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:48.639 you just overlooked that is beyond me. I was. I was dumbfounded 192 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.480 at the take when I was listening to it yesterday. Yeah, okay, 193 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.679 Uh, so we have a dentist out here in about five minutes, yep, 194 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.360 uh, Jim Moore on the second hour, I will talk get to 195 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:03.200 a lot of different things throughout the day and take your calls to of course 196 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:05.879 after different I mean, I mean, just you know again, you have 197 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:11.879 to you have to check Twitter every five minutes to see if anything's changed since 198 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.519 you know, five minutes before. And that's just the way it is right 199 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:18.080 now. It's it's nuts. This is worse than the coaching search. And 200 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.600 part of it is because there's such a long term uh, there's gonna be 201 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:28.720 such a long term term impact of everything that's going on. What's happening here. 202 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:35.200 I mean, this is this is well and then maybe maybe it's just 203 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.279 for five years, five six, seven years or whatever till As as I 204 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.960 said another show, I really hope that at the end of this in twenty 205 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:48.360 twenty eight, twenty nine, whenever these contracts finished, that somehow everything kind 206 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:52.559 of gets Okay, let's get it. Let's get everybody in the sandbox and 207 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:58.919 figure this out and get some order to this and that's you know, just 208 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:07.639 you know, get some regional um a regional uh sort of feel a feel 209 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:09.919 to this. Right. Well, did you see did you see a Leve's 210 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:16.000 tweet about the big Big twelve West and east A Yeah, yeah, it's 211 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.080 like old foes getting together again by u ya all of a sudden, the 212 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.559 Arizona and Asu are playing in the whack uyu right right, got TCU in 213 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.840 there, of course, the Colorado's in there. Yeah, it's just you. 214 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.399 You painted your house, your old house a different color. Hey, 215 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:35.000 look at this new house. And that's why I say, I'm kind of 216 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.440 hoping that in the end there's some order brought to this in a way that 217 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.320 um makes sense. And right now none of it makes sense, and that's 218 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:48.639 the problem. Okay, let's take our breakwhere to covact. 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Hey, 285 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.200 welcome back to I on the Ball hero Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve 286 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:57.160 Rivera, he's jakensos Now on the phone. We have Dennis dot from CBS 287 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:03.119 Sports. How you doing, Dennis d J one of my um I am 288 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.880 doing great. This is this is almost like election night, you know what 289 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:10.359 people are called crazy with. Oh, you got your khakis on and you're 290 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:11.440 all there the left side, the right side. What do you know, 291 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.720 we're gonna go to your teleprompter? What do you know? Right now? 292 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:22.720 It's no gosh. I think it might be uh, it might be um 293 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:27.359 the big ones where we come out of this tonight. We'll see an idea 294 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:33.519 that there's going to be I don't know, four sixteen team conferences. You 295 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:38.319 know, obviously the Big ten, which has been speculated for years. I 296 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.680 thought it might take ten years this, but it might happen this weekend. 297 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:45.839 And and and the thing that about it is happening so fast. We're there. 298 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:48.200 I mean, you can't help but think that they're going to be some 299 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:52.759 impacts that nobody's thinking about right now. Right there's gonna be stuff that's going 300 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:56.279 to happen as a result of all of this that we're gonna get to them. 301 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.400 Oh crud, we didn't think about that? Oh? Absolutely, yeah, 302 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:07.000 always done. I think it's happening so fast because I think this is 303 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:11.559 what impacts the speed of it. H They're going to start talking soon, 304 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:18.400 preliminarily about negotiations for the new playoff contract in twenty twenty six, when it 305 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:25.319 obviously expands to twelve next year, but the contract expires after two more seasons, 306 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:30.240 and that's going to be the biggest sports contract in college history. And 307 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.880 those people that are bidding on it are the want to know who's going to 308 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.920 play where you know, what, what's this going to mean? U? 309 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:42.160 The SEC had big ten want to know who's behind them because I think they're 310 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.000 going to try to make a money grab. Right now, it's an equal 311 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:49.759 share for each Power five team. I think after this weekend or tonight the 312 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:55.200 power five goes away that hasn't already rum you see, it's a bit, 313 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:59.200 it's a power too. So I think that's what forcing the speed of this. 314 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:04.119 Everything has to be in place for these monster negotiations. That's that's an 315 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:08.240 interesting uh. And I mean, look, you're you're you're you're more in 316 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:11.240 the middle. I mean, Steph and I are here and stuff that's going 317 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:14.880 on. But that's something that I haven't even considered you and so you know 318 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.279 when you're when you're thinking about that's what I'm But that's what I'm saying. 319 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:19.160 There's so many pieces of this that there's a lot of pieces that we don't 320 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:23.559 even know about. Dennis, you know, the the we have been talking 321 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:27.240 about. At some point there's going to be you know, four you know, 322 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:30.640 super conferences. And you're right, I mean, this is happening faster 323 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.279 than we thought, but there still has to be some more organization to it 324 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:37.599 down the road, don't you think. I mean to bring back some of 325 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.960 the regional aspect of this, you know, so that us USC and UCLA 326 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:45.039 aren't playing all their games, you know, in the Eastern time zones and 327 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.119 stuff like that. I mean, I would I would like to see some 328 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:53.160 order brought back to all of that. Well, those top two leagues and 329 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:57.720 the big twelves trying to do it. Um I have the biggest best brands. 330 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:03.359 They have Texas home and they have Michigan, Ohio State Oregon in Washington. 331 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.119 They go to the Big Ten. That's one of the biggest rivalries. 332 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.240 B Yu Utah in the Big twelve. So those aren't those aren't going away. 333 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.759 In the last round in two thousand and ten, you know, we 334 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.599 lost rival reads likes Missouri Kansas, which for a person was involved in as 335 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.119 all his life, like me, was huge. It's really fun to do 336 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:26.400 that. But they're not good in the way in Jack. This is what 337 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.920 the TV networks you're buying these days, not so much markets or brands, 338 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:36.839 they're buying rivalries. That was a statement last this year, last year last 339 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:41.039 year by Burt Magnus, who is like a number two guy at ESPN. 340 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:44.759 That sounds very interesting. You said it on a podcast. In other words, 341 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:48.559 when you buy the Acca as a met you know, as a rightholder 342 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:55.000 you get maybe three do Carolina games a season. You have to take the 343 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:59.519 rest of it. But you're buying d Carolina with the old Big twelve you 344 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:03.759 will buy buying Texas and Oklahoma. You had to take Andy, Giowa steady. 345 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:07.319 But that's what that money was worth to get those viewers there. Interesting, 346 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.319 you know, let me ask you a weird question, Dennis. So 347 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.279 of all the time you spent on it, how many hours you think you've 348 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:22.720 worked on all this? Oh? Would Adam? Because this start for me? 349 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:26.559 This started in two thousand and nine. In fact, I remember the 350 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.480 exact day, December nine, two thousand and nine, and Jim Blaney, 351 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:36.200 your Big ten commissioners, sent out a letter publicly saying we are exploring expansion. 352 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:41.279 Well, by the next oh what was it, next summer Nebraska was 353 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:47.519 in followed quickly by a sink Colorado. Um, you know, Missouri and 354 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:51.319 Texas, A and M went to the SEC and off we go. Yeah, 355 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:56.240 uh in the Paxwell hadn't settled for Colorado and Nutah. So and that's 356 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.519 that's that's ancient history to me. And hunching of time clock and writing that 357 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:06.839 down, I have no idea. Well, thanks the conferences for job security. 358 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:11.279 Yes, it definitely kept a lot of people employed. You know what. 359 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:12.640 One of the things that you know because we're out here in Pack twelve 360 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.400 country. Where where we are, you know, there's just a lot of 361 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:21.559 I would I would even use the word sadness for the fact that a once 362 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:26.480 great conference is probably going to cease to exist. I mean, but there's 363 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:32.240 just no saving it, is there, I don't think. So it struck 364 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:37.079 me for the first time yesterday. It struck me to the back twelve might 365 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:42.039 go away and it's current form um because I had said to all of this, 366 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:45.200 I think there's going to be a Pack twelve. In fact, I 367 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.799 was sure of it. You know, they would back to hell and everything 368 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:53.119 would be fine. But now, when you know the Oregon Washington stuff broke, 369 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.559 I said, oh, I don't know what's going to happen in the 370 00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:00.559 Big twelve, but I know that's going to happen because it makes too much 371 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.119 sense. And the fact that it's happening so quickly tells me that the Big 372 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:08.759 ten fast track for or reasons I've mentioned, um, some of the reasons 373 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.279 I've mentioned. So, yeah, it is sad. I mean, it's 374 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:17.440 I'm writing a peace now, and it's like the PAC twelve won't even be 375 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.519 in a position to sue if you got to be a conference to sue at 376 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:25.480 the end of the day, they won't have enough to use to buy NCA 377 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:29.839 rules and had a conference I think the minimum sixteens. What in the world 378 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.960 do you think San Diego states thinking we could have gone, We should have, 379 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.359 could have, should have would have. Yeah, yeah, well, 380 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:42.279 um, they didn't. They didn't know what the Either they were told by 381 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:47.759 the PAC twelve or they made the decision themselves. The Pacwolves didn't have a 382 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:52.720 deal, so you haven't have the patwel had to have the deal first before 383 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.039 it expanded. Yeah. So but if we want to talk about how clumsy 384 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.559 they were doing it, yes, that's a that's a valid conversation. But 385 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.160 San Diego stay, you know, they just made it public that they that 386 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.880 they wanted to go, but they always had to wait until the Pack twelve 387 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.200 had a deal. So you by the way, and by the way, 388 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:17.079 if there is backshale, you know they're they're gonna that's gonna be a wins 389 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:22.920 fall for that. That's why changing money twenty million dollars. Yeah, yeah, 390 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.359 get back, you know, I don't know true. Let me let 391 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.480 me go back to the word you use, clumsy, and I'll say this 392 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:33.559 with cough I mean just ten days ago, two weeks ago, he was 393 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.480 talking, don't worry. In time, we're going to get a better deal 394 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:40.400 as time goes on. What do you think comes of all that information he 395 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:45.000 gave and maybe of him because he might not have a conference? Yeah, 396 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:49.000 I know, Yeah, that's the that's the thing. Um, his job 397 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.160 security one way or the other might be at risk. If I'm the pack 398 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:57.400 twelve presidents going forward, I've got some serious questions to ask if there's a 399 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:03.480 confidence to say. But in terms of media day, yeah, I mean 400 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.559 he said it for two straight years and nothing came of it. You know, 401 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:12.200 he said last year big twelve on night pick and he packed twelve teams 402 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:17.200 with all that happened, you know that's not true. And then they said 403 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.599 they were really close to the deal. The only reason we know that deal 404 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:26.480 now is because Colorado's migration is a Big twelve. And then the remaining pack 405 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.799 fell Furs said, show us what you got. We need to know because 406 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.720 a lot of us have options, and that's why we saw this. It 407 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.119 wasn't great, It wasn't great, but it was something. But at least 408 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:41.359 now you have some knowledge of what you've been used to go forward. You 409 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.359 mentioned a few minutes ago that this goes back to two thousand and nine where 410 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.240 you feel like this whole ball got rolling. But when you think about where 411 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.160 we are today with the pack fall essentially breaking up, you put more blame 412 00:28:52.319 --> 00:29:00.720 on the Texas Oklahoma thing UCLA USC you know, a real aim that didn't 413 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:06.440 happen back when the Pac twelve and Larry Scott went after the Oklahoma Texas and 414 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:10.559 a couple of Texas schools. Where do you pin this right now or do 415 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:15.200 you oh, gosh, it's Texas Oklahoma. You always knew ad options in 416 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.759 the Big twelve. It was just a case of what it was going to 417 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:23.720 happen as job dropping as that was too two years ago. Um, but 418 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.720 everything settled down. You go, yep, you know what. Um, 419 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:33.480 they went to where the money is short answer there they'd rather lose those schools 420 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.960 had rather lose to LSU in Alabama and Kansas state or state or that makes 421 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.960 sense. The jaw dropper. The jaw dropper was USC now with the jaw 422 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:48.119 dropper because it didn't make any any geographic sense. Um, you know, 423 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:53.359 I you know, I guess they shared a culture, but the idea of 424 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:59.319 slapping those kids all over the country like day or chess pieces still hasn't been 425 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.440 answered by it, you know, particularly in the minor sports. So um, 426 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.960 it's just it's just unfortunate. And then as things progress and the PAC 427 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.240 twelve, let's let itself open without certainly by the way, I should mention, 428 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.839 this is not a secret. The deal that the Big twelve got last 429 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:22.279 October thirtieth was on the table for the PAC twelve and they rejected it. 430 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.480 They thought they were worth more. That was abandon Yeah, I know you're 431 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.839 based in the Midwest. I think it is a dentist so and I asked 432 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.759 this to someone yesterday, just to PAC twelve, the West coast bias, 433 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.279 I guess there was. People can't complain about that now They're like, they're 434 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.160 not going to be in the West. No. Um, yeah, I 435 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.960 I never had that. I never thought that. I was just going through 436 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:51.400 my memories of the PAC twelve this afternoon when I was writing, and it 437 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.279 just brings a tear to my eye. The Rose Bowl, watching Matt Leiner 438 00:30:55.720 --> 00:31:00.680 step off the field at the Coliseum after beating Notre Dame one year. He 439 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.400 had that look in his eye like I own the entire world right now. 440 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.839 Yeah, you could see it. You know, a young kid Umgan Love 441 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:12.799 going to court ballance Oregon is an Oregon, Um Stanford, the elegant tailgates 442 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:18.079 of Stanford cal. I remember going to a season opener in two thousand and 443 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.559 nine against Tennessee and this was such a such a a non caw saying flat 444 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:29.680 boys walking down the street with with ticket sign saying f Tennessee a cow ye 445 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:37.880 And that's the extreme of their cussing. Two probably right right. So now 446 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.200 so now this is this continues to you know, it's like it's like, 447 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.480 you know, the snowball is rolling down the hill and it's getting bigger and 448 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.960 bigger. So you got Florida State even running out there and saying, you 449 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.920 know, we want more. I mean, where when does this stop or 450 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.799 does it? Well, as in particular regarding Florida State, they've got no 451 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:02.920 options that that's just plus or nothing's changed from this ironclad granted rights that still 452 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:08.319 has whatever twelve thirteen years to go and maybe they get maybe they get more 453 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:13.680 money for it from the existing pool. I don't know. But but to 454 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.880 do that, you're gonna have to go to a team like wake Forrest, 455 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:21.400 who's been extremely consistent, I think bold games each of the last ten years. 456 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.400 Ago. You know what, we're taking money away from you from being 457 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.279 so good. So they're they're in a pickle and they've got nowhere to go. 458 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:31.200 They can't get out of their deal. They've got nowhere to go to 459 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:36.000 the yesec's not taking them. Yesec's got interested in Florida, stright. Yes, 460 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.799 you see, the SEC had its way, their first choices would be 461 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:43.920 Notre Dame in North Carolina. That's true. I'm assuming we got about a 462 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.720 minute and left here, uh, Dennis, that you're going to be taking 463 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:52.279 some farewell tours this year too, given that this is the final year again 464 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.759 in your In the next year, the next few months, you'll be going 465 00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:00.079 to be going out here, you know, the West coast, maybe to 466 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.440 the stadiums, maybe in Tucson because it's the last year of the Pac twelve. 467 00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.200 Yeah, yeah, I hope so, I hope so. Um And 468 00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.240 the irony is, as you guys know, this is going to be one 469 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:15.759 of the best Union pactels. Right. You've got at least five ranked teams 470 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.759 in the preseason, all these quarterbacks, the sending Eisman Trophy winner. Um, 471 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:25.720 really really good looking playoff contenders, maybe breaking this three A lot of 472 00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.599 good players and coaches and great storylines. That's that's what the shame of it 473 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.200 is. That is the shame of it. Real quick, some of your 474 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.480 thoughts on where Arizona is right now, we'd love to hear what you have. 475 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.440 You know what some of the national media is saying about what Jet fishes. 476 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.680 I think they're sending with Jet that's what they got going on. They 477 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:55.279 just got a commitment from I'm trying to remember what recruiting quarterback in twenty four 478 00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:00.720 I think right right right the quarterback who had committed to Mississippi. Yes, 479 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.519 that's the guy. I don't know his name, but um, so that's 480 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.920 that's a big death for Jed and um you know, going to a new 481 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:14.800 conference, being able to compete is that it's gonna be harder, I would 482 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.960 think in the Big twelve of that lineup to make the playoffs, I think 483 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.239 it's gonna be a lot more fun. Um to be looked in the Pac 484 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:27.320 twelve, to be carried along to a major conference is an absolute win right 485 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.760 now, right right, Well, I'll see you with faug Allen. That 486 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:36.440 be a great thing. Yeah, that's that first Arizona can be something. 487 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.239 Yeah, I know, I know Bill self. I'll say this, Bill 488 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:45.679 self is uh uh Jack. I talked to Big twelve coaches at the tournament 489 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:52.719 in March and they're you know, Scott Drew and um, Bill Self, 490 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.639 um, and they those guys were so excited and that's when the Arizona's name 491 00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.599 was coming at first. They were so excited about that. I know that 492 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.920 Salem Starter wants him have more eligibility because he could. He was the one 493 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:08.719 that beat Kansas a couple of times. So he's trying to Dennis, thank 494 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.079 you very much for coming on. Appreciate it man, Good luck, guys, 495 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.440 thank you, appreciate you. Thank you, Dennis DoD CBS. A 496 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:21.920 lot of stuff going on, just just it's like a churney things like you 497 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.639 lift the lid, there's something else on top right. Well, and it's 498 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:27.880 what time is now, three thirty five? In about three and a half 499 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:32.039 hours, we could no more maybe no more um and still it's it's to 500 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:35.440 me, it's like electric to night. You just don't know when to win. 501 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.280 A night at nine o'clock of Washington, Washington, you're gonna buy the 502 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:43.480 pizza you're buying the pizza. The election nights are pizza. I'm gonna deadline, 503 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.199 I'm gonna get in my jammies. I'm gonna be watching the Dodger game 504 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.360 and keeping an eye on on what social media on Twitter, going on Twitter. 505 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:52.000 Okay, let's take a break. 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If you'd like to get into the 553 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:22.920 conversation, give us a call five two h four one six seventy four forty. 554 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.880 We'd like to hear from you your thoughts on the potential of leaving the 555 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.519 PAC twelve right and if you if you miss any portion of the show, 556 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:32.599 if you didn't, if you're just joining us and didn't hear Dennis Dodd, 557 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.039 you can pick it up on the on the podcast. It'll be posted shortly 558 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:42.639 after the show and go to the iHeart website or Apple podcasts or anywhere you 559 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.639 get podcasts and you'll find I on the Ball and you'll you can hear everybody 560 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:47.679 on the podcast as well. But a lot happening, Steve. And it's 561 00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.800 as we said, I joked with Dennis when he came on the area, 562 00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:53.800 anything happened in the last five minutes that we need we need to know about 563 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.239 because that's really how you feel things are right now. Yeah, No, 564 00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.360 you're you're right, You're right. Um, and we'll see, like the 565 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.559 clock is ticking again about four three and a half hours whatever to figure out 566 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.960 what else else is going. And then you said there's the Washington, Oregon 567 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:12.719 at nine o'clock tonight, So clearly something that was done, a time that 568 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.119 was set to see what the outcome is of the PAC twelve meet, not 569 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:20.719 the PAC twave, the Arizona meeting. Um, it's it's kind of like 570 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.519 again, as you're waiting for somebody to pull the plug or take your finger 571 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:28.760 out of the dike or whatever analogy you want to use, that some somebody's 572 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.360 got to break the seal on this thing. And um, I think there's 573 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.960 a lot of expectation that it's going to be the Arizona Board of Reasons tonight, 574 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.639 right right. Um, See, what let me ask you, and 575 00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:45.199 I don't know that we've we've actually had this discussion, but do you hate 576 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:52.079 this are you kind of just whatever happens happens. You know you're not You're 577 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.000 not as passionate about the pac twave as I am. How do you feel 578 00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:00.239 about all this and where the where primarily college football? Where college athletics are 579 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.199 gonna land at the end of all this? Yeah, in fact, I 580 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.239 was gonna ask you. I'll ask you this after I hear we answer your 581 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.320 question. I'm not as I'm not as I'm passionate, but not as much 582 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:14.719 as you are. Um, do I tell me where the game is and 583 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.119 I'll be there. Yes, that's kind of how I am. And I've 584 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:20.519 said this before with you. I know you're you're worried about if we do 585 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:22.639 go, or you do decide to go to Kansas for a game, or 586 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.360 to wake O or it's a different feel right and the field you never I 587 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.039 think the fun part is that you never experience going to be different. We 588 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:38.039 went. That was cool it Texas Tech the night James Gray ran all over 589 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:42.280 Arizona. Um so that was kind of new, kind of cool, new 590 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.079 friends to meet and in the business. Um, I really don't feel any 591 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.280 different. I'm not. I didn't grow up in this league, so you 592 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.480 you did. Um, but I covered it, and I'm not nostalgic about 593 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.000 it. If I were Here's the thing, if I were still a reporter 594 00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:02.320 for the newspaper, I would this Eugene. I would miss Seattle, I 595 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:07.199 would miss those types of places. But other than that, no, not 596 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.760 really, not really. I would look forward to the Kansas game and put 597 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:15.679 bread basketball and they're coming and yeah, yeah, just all that stuff. 598 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.840 Do you. I know, it's been a long time since you were reporting 599 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.639 what we gotta call all right, let's take that. Hi, you're on 600 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.679 the air and I on the ball. How's it going today? What's up 601 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:30.239 right? I guess it's going to happen here pretty soon. We think it 602 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.519 is. Yeah, I mean, it's just to get to a point where, 603 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:38.639 you know, um, once UCLA and USC LAB the Big twelve wasn't 604 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:45.239 evidence. But I would rather there's still being a pack twelve to be with 605 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.719 the twelve teams. But it's not going to be that way. And this 606 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:54.599 basically is basically not set up for what are fans like US rights you want 607 00:42:54.599 --> 00:43:00.280 to call it. It's basically people there are maybe in great school right now, 608 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.519 so in ten years when they started getting involved in sports more, Yeah, 609 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.320 they'll being the ones who will be watching all the streaming shows. Let 610 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:12.159 me ask you, Brian, are you, I don't know, are you 611 00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.480 upset by all of of where we're gonna wind up with all this? Are 612 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.280 you sad by where you're gonna wind where we're gonna wind up another thing? 613 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:21.719 And what kind of fan are you? And how are you thinking about all 614 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:23.159 this? Is a fan? And when you think about let's say, assume 615 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.679 the PAC twelve is gone, what's how you know? Emotionally? How do 616 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.079 you feel about that? You know? I feel bad about it, you 617 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:37.239 know because I grew up knowing the eighth, the pack eighth it was called 618 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.199 at that time, right, and we know us back in the Wack conference, 619 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:45.760 you know, and not you know, not having that you know, 620 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:51.199 when sports were sports. It's not sports anymore. It's just a big business 621 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.159 who can make the most money? And that's it. So wait, were 622 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.679 you part of the were you part of them when they were in the whack? 623 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.320 Oh? Yeah? So how did you feel that because you were moving 624 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:01.679 to step up and it was it was a different type of field, wasn't 625 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:06.960 it. Weren't you happy? Well? That one made a little more sense 626 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:13.719 to me because geographically we're still in the same area. And and also time 627 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:19.000 having a chance to play UCLA and you USC and Stanford at that time being 628 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:23.440 bad and now you know that was pretty exciting. Um, that's one of 629 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:30.679 the Big twelve. You know, we don't have a choice. I would 630 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.320 rather there be a pack like Jay original Pack twelve, but it's not going 631 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.320 to happen. Yeah, so you have to deal with it, you know. 632 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:43.000 And and I would love for people, you know, younger people could 633 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.079 have seeing what you know, football and basketball was like back in the the 634 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:51.920 nees and eighties. Yeah, it was fun, it was fast, it 635 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.400 was yeah, it was it was more it was sports, you know now. 636 00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.559 And I mean, and I understand Jayson, who wants to travel a 637 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:06.639 Waco? Who wants to travel to Lummick? Right, you know, it's 638 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.039 it's you know, I mean, I bet the USC has got to be 639 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:15.800 pretty upset in Oregon and Washington get into this, we're expecting that. Well 640 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.440 it's not. It's not as exclusive as it would be, right right, 641 00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:22.840 right, you know, I mean it's and maybe, like you said, 642 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:27.440 in five years it all gets blown up and then there's like four conferences and 643 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:32.519 maybe they make a regional like we have a West Conference and then we have 644 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.760 a Midwest Conference, in the Northeast Conference, in the Southern Conference. Yeah, 645 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.440 there's people already designing that right now. Yeah, it's funny too. 646 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:44.760 Yeah. Oh, I'm sure there is, and I'm sure there is. 647 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.800 But but what you know, all this money involved, you know, uh, 648 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.519 I just don't you know. I mean, if I'm if Washington and 649 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:58.320 Oregon go into the Big ten like they're talking about, they don't get one 650 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.760 hundred million dollars like everybody steps, but they probably get about I think they 651 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:07.679 said sixty million dollars. But stillizen' not bad money to move. Yeah. 652 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:12.280 Also one thing too, is is going to be a terrible cost for us 653 00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.280 and all these other teams in the conference to be traveling. Yeah, Jeff 654 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:20.079 Fish talked about time. Yeah, it ain't cheap. It's expensive. It's 655 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.159 gonna it's expensive. It's going to keep getting more and more expensive. I 656 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.039 agree. I mean a trip to West Virginia. You know you're gonna West 657 00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.599 Virginia's in the Big twelve. And we talked about we make fun of UCLA 658 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.519 and USC having to go to New Jersey, well, you know, Arizona, 659 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:35.320 and as you were gonna have to go to West Virginia at some point. 660 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.239 That's not easy. The ASU president is not too crazy about leaving. 661 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:43.079 You may not have a choice. You've been there won't be a conference. 662 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.360 Um, but I mean, I'm sure he would be happy to say, 663 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:51.599 Okay, we'll stay able, we're at try to find three more teams and 664 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:53.320 go from there. Yeah. Yeah, there's some thought. There's some thought 665 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.719 behind that. All right, Brian, appreciate it, man, thanks a 666 00:46:55.760 --> 00:47:00.119 bunch. Okay, talk to me later. So to my point, the 667 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.440 question was, U, So you're you're you're reporter a long time ago, 668 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.199 a minute years ago, and it was fun kind of doing the team and 669 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:09.199 you got out of it. But now would you want to do this in 670 00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.519 the conditions that are going to be coming up? If I was, if 671 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.320 I was covering the team, covering the team, I guess I guess I 672 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.119 would do it. I would take it, right, I mean, that 673 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.199 was my job. How would you look forward to look forward to it? 674 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.440 Um? Yeah, I think I would. Yeah, See, so it's 675 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:27.519 I think you would. It's no different. You're just going to you're going 676 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.280 to a cold Kansas place. You're going to probably a cold Wakeco place. 677 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.840 Taxing, you know how I mean, the newness of it would be exciting, 678 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.599 but at some point that's gonna wear off. The deal. The deal 679 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.719 is, though, Steve, is that as a reporter, you just you 680 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.760 just go cover the games and that's what you that's what that's what you say. 681 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:45.760 You go cover the games. And if it means you go to you 682 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.119 go to West Virginia, or you're going to Still Water, you're going to 683 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.840 Houston, or you're going to you know, can't wherever you're going, you're 684 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.760 gonna go cover those games. And if you're covering basketball even better. You 685 00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:59.559 know, I would be excited to cover this basketball team. Yeah, you 686 00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:01.920 know as as a conference, as a fan, it's a whole different story, 687 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.880 true, completely different story for all the reasons that we've talked about. 688 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.639 The winners in this whole thing. I think eventually in two years the UA 689 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:14.840 basketball season ticket holders. Yeah, yeah, because it's gonna be fed man, 690 00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:15.599 and all of a sudden, you got, you know, a bunch 691 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:20.960 of top ten teams coming in. That's gonna depend on how they schedule that 692 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.400 thing out. You know, there's already you know a thing about creating pods, 693 00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:27.280 and you played this pot in that pod and you know that that kind 694 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.280 of stuff because you know, I mean, if if all four schools off, 695 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.039 all four four corner schools go, you know, that's that's an eighteen 696 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.960 team league. I don't know. I don't know what the ticket situation is 697 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.400 that McHale because they lost some people. You can see it started coming back. 698 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.119 But if you don't want to, you'd say, if you don't, 699 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.480 get you to your tickets now, man, because it's gonna be fun fun 700 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:49.000 to watch. Yeah. Now you know, I'm a I'm on a thread 701 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.559 over here and I got my my buddies ranting about the money grab, that 702 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:54.400 this that caused all this, and I said, I agree that it's a 703 00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:58.000 money grab, you know. And one of the points that was made was 704 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.719 you know that that you know, ESPN is very shortsighted because you know, 705 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.239 they're they're giving up all these big TV markets to go be and they gave 706 00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.960 all the money to the to the SEC and and and and stuff like. 707 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:15.599 But you know what, while the while all the PAC twelfth schools are in 708 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.719 big TV markets, there's not a lot of people watching from those I talked. 709 00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.039 Had the same conversation with somebody yesterday today. But Phoenix. We talked 710 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.599 about that. You know, there's it's populated six, biggest city, but 711 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.519 no one's really watching it. Issues it's all split. The markets are split 712 00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:31.679 between all the pro sports and all those cities that you know that when we 713 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:35.480 talk about the great markets that the PAC twelfth schools are in. But that, 714 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.199 to me, that's that's become Maybe we didn't see it that way, 715 00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:44.159 but it has now become more of a detriment to the schools. Because ESPN 716 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.760 has the numbers, they know how many people are watching USC and UCLA. 717 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.400 Remember the pictures of UCLA of the Rose Bowl for you Ucla nobody, nobody, 718 00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:57.800 they are so so that's what they see and when they when you see 719 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.679 you go to Knoxville and they put one hundred thousand people in the statement. 720 00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.320 One hundred thousand people I don't think lived there. I thought, who Dennis 721 00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:07.760 said about the team, about the teams, about playing in the ACC or 722 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.239 whatever. They're spending millions, but they're the biggest prizes the Duke North Carolina 723 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.079 game, right, so they're spending a lot because of that. That was 724 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.480 a really good point from Dennis that I that I hadn't thought of that they're 725 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:23.239 right, they're buying these these special prices, right, like like you know 726 00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:29.480 Fox has bought the Michigan Ohio State football game, right, They've bought Penn 727 00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.039 State, Ohio State, They've bought that's what they're buying. And and and 728 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:37.480 the ESPN bought at you know, Alabama Georgia. You know all that they 729 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:42.480 and they know that people in LA are gonna watch that game. Yea, 730 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:46.400 more people are probably gonna watch that game than they're gonna watch a USC and 731 00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:52.719 AC at the expense of the second the Arizona Oregon State. Right. Well, 732 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:53.920 okay, that's just part of it. You have to do that, 733 00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:59.239 yeah, you know, yeah, no, it's it's nuts because that and 734 00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.719 Steve those guys know that they they they do all. They've got all those 735 00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.880 numbers in front of them, and that's how they're making those decisions. You 736 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.599 know. I mean again, you know, my guys are saying, why, 737 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:12.079 you know, why did they give all the money to the SEC because 738 00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.559 you know, when you know is bur you know, the Birmingham market can't 739 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.800 be you know, like the LA market. Well, yes it can be 740 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.840 because every TV in Birmingham is on an Alabama game and maybe a third of 741 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:28.559 the TV's are on a USC game in La. Yeah, which, of 742 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.800 course, numbers don't lie. No, no, they're not doing this because 743 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:34.480 they don't know what they're doing. The numbers don't lie when it comes to 744 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.639 that stuff. And and and that's the truth. Direct TV showed that they 745 00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:44.960 the numbers aren't there to pay for the PAC twelve network. The PAC twelve. 746 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:50.480 How many years it to take for people to understand that there never joined? 747 00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:52.280 Okay, all this so good. First hour. We're gonna come back 748 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:55.840 with some breaking news, right, and then we're gonna have Jim Moore talking 749 00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.079 about the Washington area north to Northwestattle Radio. Yeah, all right, we'll 750 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:00.599 be right back