WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:16.120 so like to say, subscribe and raid it. I'm stuck and me 3 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:27.039 grates on us today and listening watching lim always keep its watching. And now 4 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:33.039 you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. 5 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:35.479 How you doing? Man? All right? How's it going with you? 6 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:39.920 Busy as I always am, it seems Bigfoot absorbs most of my time. 7 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:44.719 As usual. I've done two investigations this week alone. One of them turned 8 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:47.520 up some footprints that ended up being boots. But I'll be you know, 9 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:50.280 as I was, I dropped by the shop Monday, I had to pick 10 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:53.679 something up to make one of our I had to pick up a camera to 11 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:58.479 complete one of our member videos, the museum member videos. And when I 12 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:03.280 was here, somebody showed me photographs of a footprints that they had found that 13 00:01:03.400 --> 00:01:07.359 morning out by rhododendron and the snow, you know, and saying, well, 14 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:10.840 it's kind of blobby and weird, but those might be toes, and 15 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:14.480 you know, it is my professional obligation to follow up on these things at 16 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:15.519 this point, so I figured it out right, Well, I can take 17 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.239 a little break and go to the woods. And so I went up there 18 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:21.719 and it was cold and everything, and long story short, they ended up 19 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.239 being boot marks that you know, the rain dropping from the trees had like 20 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:29.000 made things that look like toes in them. Oh yeah, yeah, we've 21 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:30.599 all followed up on dead ends and that happens all the time. That's a 22 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.400 common one. The people a lot who never take that into consideration, the 23 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.719 drops coming off branches above. Oh yeah. And you know what's interesting about 24 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:44.079 this one, to me at least, is that the toes indicated that if 25 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:46.879 it was a sasquatch, which it was not, it was traveling a certain 26 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:51.480 direction, but actually the boots were traveling the opposite direction, you know. 27 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:55.079 So what was happening was a combination of the drip drops that we were just 28 00:01:55.079 --> 00:02:01.480 talking about, and also the heel raising out of the snow pulled out sections 29 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:05.439 of the snow that kind of suggested toes. So that kind of gave the 30 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.680 illusion of toes. Because you know, my saying I should make shirts out 31 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.080 of this to say that the footprint is not the shape of the foot, 32 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:14.439 it's the shape of the damage under the ground by the foot. And in 33 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:19.439 this case, the boot lifting out of the snow brought along some of the 34 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.199 snow with it and kind of made a toe shape sort of thing. So 35 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:27.520 did that, and then on Tuesday. I worked the shop every Tuesday, 36 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:32.400 and some guys came in. They spoke to I think Nico the previous Friday 37 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:36.159 or Saturday when I was not here, and they were asking where should we 38 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:37.960 go? You know, where's a good spot to go big footing? And 39 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:39.319 you know, we get that question kind of a lot. We always send 40 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:44.199 him up the mountain towards rhododendron at this one particular location where there's been a 41 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.400 number of siding reports. And they went out there and then Monday night they're 42 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.719 sitting around It was about they said, it was fifteen degrees. They're sitting 43 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.719 around a fire they made. They got kind of to a certain point in 44 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:55.520 the road. They're trying to go on up the hill, but they got 45 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:59.759 to a certain point where they couldn't go any further because the snow is too 46 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:01.919 deep, and so they're just camping there for the night. And they said, 47 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.520 yeah, we heard the weirdest vocalization. Something yelled out there. And 48 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:08.520 it wasn't a scream, It was a yell, like a mid pitch sort 49 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:13.280 of yell that started low, then it like raised up and pitch, and 50 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.319 then it got to a certain place and then it stayed there and kind of 51 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:19.960 warble like vibroad oed a little bit, and it had to be at least 52 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:23.520 five or eight seconds, and then it dropped down and pitch and turned into 53 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.240 like this gravelly sort of yell like growl thing. And I'm thinking, oh, 54 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.680 dude, there's only one thing that could be. And they didn't know 55 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.680 that what they were describing to me was basically the Ohio. How So we 56 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:37.199 went out last night to go poke around in that area in the snow, 57 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:39.800 and you know how much I love snow. Yeah, yeah, not at 58 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.240 all. I thought of you actually, because we're walking through the snow. 59 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:50.280 It's like, I know, I was like, Bobo, what hate this? 60 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.120 You know? So yeah, I thought of you last night. You 61 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.039 were with me in spirit. Oh and I guess we did a news piece 62 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.479 last week for the local was a KPT, a local Portland news station. 63 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:06.039 A guy named Greg Nibler or something came out I can't remember. I don't 64 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:09.199 know how to pronounce his last name, and i'd be L E R maybe 65 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:13.039 it's nibbler. I don't know, but i'd say nibler. He came out 66 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.680 with a camera crew and filmed some stuff last Thursday, I think it was. 67 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.120 But I guess the good news is I got a witness today over on 68 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.920 Larch Mountain. Yeah, he saw one in March a few years ago, 69 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:28.240 about two years ago. He was up there at like three am or something 70 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.199 and he just needed some time alone to clear his head sort of stuff and 71 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.800 having a bad day. So he went up there and his window was down, 72 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.519 and he walked around the car a little bit and sat down in the 73 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:42.279 car, and then he heard boom boom boom boom boom bo, just something 74 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.720 running up on him. And he goes, wit, yay, what the 75 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.160 hell is that, you know? And he looks over to the left and 76 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.399 his his headlights were off, but his ambers were on. And he looks 77 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:54.839 over to the left and like ten feet away from his car, there's a 78 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:59.639 huge sasquatch standing there with an arm up in well here at a big crack, 79 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:01.600 you know. And he looks over at the where the crack came from 80 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:05.040 and there's a huge sasquatch standing there. He said it was bigger than Murphy, 81 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:10.759 and Murphy's seven and a half feet tall, so a huge sasquatch standing 82 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.120 there with his arm up on some branches like looking at him. And you 83 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:15.360 know, he flipped his lid and got out of there right away, but 84 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.120 he got a pretty good look at it as best he could in the amber 85 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:23.519 light as after his eyes adjusted and stuff. So there's just another mark on 86 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.439 the map man for large mountain. It's a good, good, good area, 87 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:30.480 all right. So what we're doing mail call today. Yes, we're 88 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:31.920 doing a Q and A today, which will do about once a month. 89 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:36.480 And these are all users submitted, like listeners submitted questions. And if you 90 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:41.120 would like to ask either Bobo or I or question, feel free to do 91 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:45.720 so. You can email us at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast at gmail dot com, 92 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.759 or you can go to the website which is Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot 93 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:54.319 com and there is a button there's this contact and you can leave us a 94 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.920 voicemail. You can actually talk to us and hear your beautiful voice on the 95 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.240 air and record a question for us and then Bobo and I will answer it. 96 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.399 And for our Patreon members, it's five dollars a month. You get 97 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:10.120 an extra a bonus episode a week. But yeah, we do remember only 98 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:14.040 every Thursday. So a lot of people are enjoying that. We have people 99 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.199 sign up, and we got all lot of positive feedback and we've got more 100 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:21.240 comings, so interested that check it out. It's in the description below. 101 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.959 All right, So, mister Matt Pru, why don't you keep the first 102 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.519 voicemail? Please? I really enjoy the show. I almost feel like I 103 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:30.839 host it every week. I got a buddy named Jim. He says he 104 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:35.240 would destroy Bobo in the Sasquatch Chronicles trivia game. I would destroy him, 105 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.600 Jim, Jim, I will ask the question. My question is will Bobo 106 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:43.680 return as the reigning champ if a proper challenger is found? Thanks for your 107 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.839 hard work, guys, I will keep listening. There's nobody greater than Tony 108 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.360 Merkle out there. Here's the strongest opponent I could ever have. So I'm 109 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:53.759 retiring the champ. You're not afraid, are you? Bobo? Hell ya 110 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:59.079 Afred? I'll get smoked now. I don't know. Maybe I'll take him 111 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:00.079 on, you know it, let's do a tag team. Me and Clip 112 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.399 will take on anybody. Oh that's interesting, kind of like like who wants 113 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:06.639 to be a millionaire, we get to call somebody. Yeah, No, 114 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:11.480 it's a tag team trivia contest. Do we take turns back and forth? 115 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:13.600 Or to say I don't know this one, bobes, it's yours. I 116 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:17.120 think whoever whoever on the team knows it answers it. That's pretty tough. 117 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.639 I killed it in Jeopardy last night. It's kind of like kind of like 118 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:25.319 a pub trivia, right, you know, our funding big Foot, our 119 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:28.040 finding big Foot casting when we were at the bar. Sometimes when we did 120 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.079 that, when were on the road, we we crushed like good teams. 121 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:36.480 I am pathetic at that because I have so little like cultural knowledge, you 122 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:39.600 know, the sports and all that sort of stuff. That's right, I 123 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.600 come in, I know, I know. Yeah, you're super strong on 124 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.560 that, you really are. I'm good on the history. Yeah, I 125 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.560 got the science stuff and a few odds and ends and like nerd stuff. 126 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.240 But other than that, I'm kind of useless. Yeah, as long as 127 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:55.519 it's not like modern music or you know, any of that kind of stuff. 128 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:59.680 So yeah, we'll take on any two challengers that could qualify. We'll 129 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:03.879 have the determined qualification later. But uh, I probably get back to Bigfoot. 130 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:07.560 Yeah, I think one of the qualifications would be easy to beat, 131 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:13.680 so we don't look bad. Well, before we move on, I'm surprised 132 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.480 that you guys didn't pick up on anything in that voicemail that was submitted by 133 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.439 a friend of our. Listen very closely when I played again. I really 134 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.680 enjoy the show. I almost feel like I host it every week. I 135 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.360 got a buddy named Jim. He says he would destroy Bobo in the Sasquatch 136 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.039 Chronicles game. I would destroy him, Jim, Jim, I will ask 137 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:35.000 the question. A friend of the show submitted that, and is both of 138 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:39.799 your voices is that me? Doesn't? Does it sound like me? That's 139 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:41.679 not what I sound like inside my head. Although Bobo said it sounded like 140 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:45.120 me, and I thought that was weird. But I thought that the other 141 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.000 dude behind there, Jim, I thought that, oh, that guy kind 142 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.720 of sounds like Bobo. That said that. I That's what I was afraid. 143 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.320 I said, that guy sounds like a genius. I don't want to 144 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:01.480 take that guy on for sending that in. That was quite funny. That 145 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:05.879 West girmer yep, like he just sent it to me and he was like, 146 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.200 hey, put this in the Q and A and don't don't tell him, 147 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:11.840 just catch him off guard with it and see how they respond. And 148 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:13.799 so I thought you'd be like, wait a minute, whose voice was that? 149 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.080 But instead you're both like just answering the question. It didn't sound like 150 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.399 us, you know, it sounded just like it didn't sound it sounds kind 151 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:28.159 of like me. But yeah, anyways, or well, you know, 152 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.320 well, the thing is, you know, how like you do I really 153 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.559 sound like that? You know, people always ask that when they hear the 154 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.679 record that to me, that's not what I sound like to me, you 155 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:39.320 know, So of course I didn't recognize, you know, my own voice. 156 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.120 I enjoyed it, but yeah, we can move on to the decks. 157 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:46.080 But I thought it was funny. It's funny, well thinking, yeah, 158 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:50.600 that's of course the Great West from Sasquatch Chronicles. We really appreciate it. 159 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.679 And the fact that he listens, by the way it to me is 160 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.639 just what a kind gesture, and it's kind of humbling in a way. 161 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:01.799 That's really nice because he's like the king of Bigfoot, you know, podcast 162 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:03.720 in every way. So the fact that he listens to us, what are 163 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:07.440 you doing wasting your time listening to us? Man? I know we got 164 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.919 listeners, but like when people like that, like when I hear something like 165 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:11.720 that listens to job, I'm like, no way, really, like if 166 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:20.240 like we be like someone you're like a Bob shoot where the big where big 167 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.080 foot walks? Oh, Bob Pile, Yeah, Bob Pile. When he 168 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.759 said you listened to the podcast, I was like, just like jaw drop, 169 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.320 like no way that It makes you kind of self conscious obvious things. 170 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.480 I think, like there's there's actually, you know, some pretty people I 171 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.759 look up to that listen to it, and I'm always like blown away and 172 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.000 they say they listen. Yeah, yeah, you know. Last week I 173 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:45.399 think I don't know if it was our bonus or if as a regular episode. 174 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:48.039 I got a text, you know, in the evening from doctor Cheryl 175 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.799 and he was and he corrected me about some pale anthropologies stuff that I said 176 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.360 on the air, and I said, oh, okay, well that's cool, 177 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:58.799 and he said he would supply me with some research papers so I can 178 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.600 learn about it and stuff. I said, that's great. By the way, 179 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:03.279 I'm still waiting for it, doctor Cheryl. I'm still waiting to get 180 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.679 those papers. But nonetheless, it was a reminder once again it's like, 181 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.240 oh, yeah, I forgot that. You know, people actually listen to 182 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.200 this because at the end of the day, you know, I leave the 183 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.759 museum and I go upstairs in the museum and I talked to Bobo and Matt 184 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.399 for a couple hours. That's that's my job here. I kind of forget 185 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.559 that other people are actually listening at all. Yeah, it happens. That's 186 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.480 that's good sometimes and not so great other times. That forget. Yeah, 187 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.200 yeah, I kind of got to watch your p's and q's. By the 188 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.200 way, what does that stand for? P's and q's, pines and quartz, 189 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.480 pines and quartz. Yes, well that's weird. Don't pay for a 190 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:46.320 court and only get a pint pay attention. Oh is that what it's about. 191 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.159 I just made that up. Why would you? I don't know. 192 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.600 That doesn't make any more sense than it did before. You know, that's 193 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.200 a good question for that. I used to listen to that nerdy show on 194 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.559 the weekends on public radio that Away with Words and then go to the entomology 195 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.519 of the history of a word, how it evolved. Oh, that sounds 196 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.840 like a fun show. I like that. Yeah, I haven't heard in 197 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.360 yours. I did catch this thing going around on the internet right now, 198 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.480 and I'm sure I'm going to butcher it, but it says something to the 199 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:20.440 effect of people who don't know the difference between etomology and entomology. Bug me 200 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.799 to the point I have where I have no words. I said the right 201 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:26.360 way I said. I didn't say entomology, did I? Oh, I 202 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:30.200 didn't say you did, But it just reminded me of that saying. And 203 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.120 I thought that was hilarious. That's a great one. I never heard that 204 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:39.159 saying that. That's funny. Now it's perfect. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot 205 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.799 and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. 206 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.360 Why don't we hop on the next question there? And thanks Wes, Thank 207 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:58.240 you Wes. Hi. My name is Toby. I am from o'campton. 208 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.799 I would just like to ask question. I've heard encounters where people are like 209 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:11.080 experiencing things but they can't actually see it, could like Bigfoot go invisible, 210 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:16.840 but you still have the feeling. Please use my question and yeah peace. 211 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.799 Hopefully your podcast go viral. All right, Boby, you want to take 212 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:24.399 this one. It doesn't seem likely, doesn't make much sense. It's not 213 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:30.519 the parsimonious answer, But who knows. I mean, it's not likely, 214 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.519 it's one in a million, But you're saying there's a chance. Yeah, 215 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.320 I'm saying, no, no chance. And the reason I say that is 216 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:43.799 because everything about sasquatches strongly shows that they evolved on this planet. You know, 217 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:48.039 there's nothing that weird about them. And why is it that people that 218 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:52.240 we have thousands of reports right, and the vast majority of them the sasquatch 219 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.840 walks away if they could turn invisible when they just blink, you know, 220 00:13:54.919 --> 00:14:00.440 blink and be out, be done, you know, like the evidence is 221 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:03.799 strongly against that. The only thing that is for that are some people who 222 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.360 say it might be or that is that it is true, and people say 223 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.559 all sorts of stuff. There's no reason to think that would be true at 224 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.960 this point. I wouldn't think that is true of bear or deer or elk 225 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.240 or mice or any other sort of mammals, and they all evolved on this 226 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:24.039 planet too, So I don't think so. I guess anything's possible, but 227 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.759 that sure doesn't seem like it's possible. I don't think they do. But 228 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.840 I'm not saying I'm not saying it for sure they don't. I mean, 229 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:37.159 I'll hold out judgment until the final end, but uh yeah, it's I 230 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.960 mean they're they're super fast. They get down on the ground low more than 231 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.559 people realize. They can belly crawl like an alligator, you know, like 232 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.799 fast down with their belly on the ground. They're faster than hell on their 233 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.279 feet or on all fours, and they can climb, and they can jump 234 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:58.399 incredible distances. And I've just heard some reports, like reliable ones this this 235 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.879 thing was jumping on all fours twenty five thirty feet an elite. They're also 236 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.799 the color of the forests. Well, they blend in so well with the 237 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.679 background, you know, I mean, so in that way, they can 238 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.639 kind of quote unquote turn invisible. But they're not turning invisible. No, 239 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.519 probably not. But there are no vibrations and all this and that. I 240 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:22.639 doubt they can. But until everything's settled, I'm saying there's a chance it's 241 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.399 very very safe of you. Well, that gonna be dumb and dumber and 242 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.480 dumbest, now the three of us, that's that's what you're saying, big 243 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.360 fists might be able to turn invisible. I'm not going there. I'll say 244 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.480 they don't and I'll be I'll be sure of that, but you know, 245 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.000 me and man, I'm also not too scared about being wrong either, So 246 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:41.960 and a man, if they could turn invisible, I guess that would be 247 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.039 super interesting and I'd be thrilled in some sort of way. I'd be extraordinarily 248 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.679 surprised. I'd be surprised. I'd be surprised aself they could that, I 249 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.200 would like like faint and practically, you know, just drop because I'm so 250 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:56.279 shocked. I'd be like, well, that's that's a trip. Yeah, 251 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:58.720 But I don't think that's it. I don't think that's the go to explanation. 252 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.759 I think that we should look at other things first, like maybe the 253 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:06.440 person lost sight of them, you know, I agreed, maybe blended in 254 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:08.600 the background, maybe it dropped down, you know. But I don't I 255 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:14.159 think jump into invisibility or morphing in and out of this dimension or any of 256 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:18.879 those sort of more like spookier sort of explanations should be ignored. Frankly, 257 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.600 just frankly ignored. Don't pay attention to them, because they should be the 258 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:29.240 last resorts after all the other options have been dismissed, And oh absolutely, 259 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.000 I don't think the paranormal community goes to that length. I think that that's 260 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.440 one of their first go tos, like oh they did this, as opposed 261 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:38.159 to oh maybe I just lost track of it. Yeah, yeah, for 262 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:42.919 sure. I think it has to do their quickness and just their their ability 263 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:47.200 to just blend into their environment. People say they're looking right on, like 264 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:48.919 I mean, how many times have you heard I thought I was looking at 265 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.720 a stump. They'll sometimes wrap themselves around a tree and look like a big 266 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.000 chuck, like a big slab of burrow or something. You know, I 267 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.159 guess we answered that sufficiently, or you did, I probably didn't. All 268 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.840 right, what else you got through it? Hey, guys, this isn't 269 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:07.400 really a big related question, but on the Washington versus Oregon Finding big Foot 270 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:11.200 episodes, Matt said, winner gets a steak theater. I like my well 271 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.240 gun, So thank you very much, Team Oreon, And I was just 272 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:19.839 wondering, how well done do you guys think steak should be? What is 273 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:23.319 the perfect way to cook a steak? Because personally, I think Matt should 274 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.200 be imprisoned for saying he likes well done, but that's just me. But 275 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:33.000 anyways, thank you for taking my question. So of all of Matt Moneymaker's 276 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:41.160 crimes, he should be for the way he prefers his steaks just teasing. 277 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.759 No, If he likes it well done, that's his thing, man, 278 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.519 that's his thing. Boba, how do you like your steaks? And also 279 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:52.319 t bone? What's your favorite cut? I like a good t bone. 280 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.240 Oh, of course, I like them all. I like them all medium 281 00:17:56.319 --> 00:18:00.000 rare. Yeah, I'm a ribby guy myself, and I go for medium 282 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.240 rare. But I find when I at if I on a rare occasion that 283 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:06.359 I have a steak in a restaurant or something like that, and it is 284 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.039 rare. I mean, they're just too pricey and all that stuff. On 285 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:11.680 the rare occasion, I may order a steak in a restaurant if I ask 286 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:15.079 for medium rare, so it comes back more rare than I prefer. So 287 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.000 I generally ask for things medium, and I tend to get it more like 288 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:22.359 the medium rare that I would define myself. So that's funny. HMP likes 289 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:29.400 his extra well done and ketchup smothering it really jerky kind of yeah. Yeah, 290 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:33.559 do you like charcoal jerky like you? He took this girl out to 291 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.440 like a really fancy restaurant, he's never been to one before, and he 292 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.839 ordered it extra well done and then with a bottle of ketchup, and a 293 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:41.920 chef was offended, the waiter was offended. They didn't want to do it, 294 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:45.000 and he goes, I know what I like and do what I want, 295 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.079 And so the girl said she was mortified. And of course HMP for 296 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:55.039 maybe perhaps some new listeners or something. HMP stands for a heavy metal pat, 297 00:18:55.279 --> 00:19:00.640 one of Bobo's many friends that have adjectives associated with their name, and 298 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.279 of course heavy metal patch. HMP was part of a fining big Foot episode 299 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.519 back in the day when we explored the Humboldt area. He was our final 300 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:14.519 night investigation secret search technique and then it it got too misty and windy, 301 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:18.519 like it started storming really hard to put his flowing mane up under his hat, 302 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:19.960 which was a huge disappointment because I was supposed to be part of the 303 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:25.599 allure of attracting a squatch was his lustious mane blowing in the breeze, not 304 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:30.720 just his stellar, exquisite voice. Yeah, so, Bobo, there's something 305 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.720 HMP. I haven't seen him for quite a long time. I hope he's 306 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.440 doing well, but he was your hair sense for so many years, like 307 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:42.759 teaching you the intricate delicate balance of hair, hair products and that sort of 308 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:48.920 thing. After you shaved your head. What what happened to h was he 309 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.759 offended in any sort of way that like you cut off all your hair or 310 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:53.720 anything. He was heckling me for a while, and then like two years 311 00:19:53.759 --> 00:20:00.519 ago he cut his into Elvis Pompadour because it is famous for years and years. 312 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.839 I mean he had he did the seven layers. He had like feathered 313 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:08.039 seven layers, you know, parted in the middle, flowing, and uh, 314 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.279 there's there's a whole there's a whole regiment with the with the hair, 315 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:15.519 like uh, when you blow dry it, you gotta take your blow dryer 316 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.400 and swing it around by the cord like nun Chucks. You gotta do full 317 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:22.680 nun Chucks moves with it and then catch it like you throw it. You 318 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.160 sling it and you catch it in other hand. Then you you do a 319 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.079 couple of head bangs, like throw your hair back and forth, and then 320 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.359 throw your head back way back and throw your head way back, and then 321 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.599 you catch it and you're singing it like it's a mic. And then you 322 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:41.319 lean back until your hair touches your calves. Now you said it's a regiment, 323 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.119 but honestly to me, that sounds more like what's the right word, 324 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:48.319 a ritual. Yeah, and the regiment those hot your hair twice a week, 325 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.319 okay, h O T. I learned this from you. I had 326 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:55.759 no idea what that was because but you demanded getting them like once a week 327 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.240 on finding Bigfoot, once every other week. What is an hot for our 328 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:03.440 listeners? Hot oil therapy, hot oil therapy and what does that entail? 329 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:06.880 Surely the get dry hair, start getting split ends. But my hair was 330 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.799 always thrash like from you know, on the road and stuff. It was. 331 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.319 It was pretty dry hat a lot. But I have a h OT 332 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:15.279 when I could get the split ends shrimmed up once in a while. I 333 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.720 remember the first time you dropped hot on me. I didn't know what you 334 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.960 were talking about, of course, but you did it at Walmart. Yeah, 335 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:25.799 Walmart will do it for you. They have good hot oil therapies. 336 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:29.400 Yeah. That was like when we started the show. I doubt we were 337 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:33.960 going to go see a Motley Crue concert an HMP when he'd go get his 338 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.400 hair done at the He ended up marrying his stylist hairstylist and having a kid 339 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.839 at there at one point. But he would bring in his shout out the 340 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.519 Devil album double album, you know on vinyl and set it up on the 341 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:48.359 like where the where the mirror is, you know, for the for the 342 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:52.960 hairdresser, and then he'd say do it like that. Then he had he 343 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:57.039 had a nineteen eighty six teen or Tiger Beat magazine with an article on Motley 344 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:00.720 Crue and Nicky six gave their their hair dye formula. It was like a 345 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:04.799 mix of one in two or something or whatever. The numbers are like really 346 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:08.119 low numbers. He did mix those and that's what Tommy and NICKI got their 347 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.480 hair done that color. So that was the color you'd get. Then you'd 348 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:18.079 get it ho ted and h feather it and blow dry and you'd be rocking 349 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:25.480 hot for HMP. Yeah, a lot of initials. So it sounds like 350 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.960 a sesame street, you know for for heavy metal people. It kind of 351 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.079 was. But that's why my hair was black on Funding Big, because we 352 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:34.559 did the first one. My hair was still died that color. I was 353 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:37.000 thinking like, well that's cool because I can just keep it this color when 354 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:40.559 the show's over. I could just cut it. No it I'll know. 355 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.640 But then while we were doing the show, like when we started, my 356 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:48.920 sideburns were gray, you know, getting like salt and pepper. And then 357 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:52.119 by the time the show was over and I shaved my head, it was 358 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.240 like seventy five percent turned gray. So I went from like be like when 359 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:59.519 I started, you know, I had like pretty regular brown hair, and 360 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:02.960 then it by the time so when I shaved my head again and it grew 361 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:04.200 out a little bit, it was like gray. So the people were like, 362 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:08.960 whoa, they're a tripping. I remember I heckled you one time for 363 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:12.079 for for dyeing your hair. Say, like, Boba, you gotta realize, 364 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:15.279 you know, like salt and pepper and a man is really attractive and 365 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.440 stuff, You're gonna look great. And you said you should you should not 366 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:21.319 dye your hair, man, just let it go. Let it go. 367 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:23.200 And you said, f you clip, this is the same color as Nicky 368 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:30.680 six uses that was a little more hardcore back then. Well, and of 369 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.079 course I just realized, Okay, I'm not going to make fun of your 370 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:37.920 value system. Hmp, h hmp. We was getting a he was getting 371 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.640 a Nickcky six tattoo. And we went to this tattoo convention and Nicky six 372 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.839 was there and uh, he already had the actually already had the tattoo. 373 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:48.839 And we went in and Nicky was there and fat I got on this autograph 374 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:53.279 it and then he went over and had the tattooers autographed Nikki Six's signature. 375 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:59.640 And there's tattoo of Nicky six on his forearm. There's a Bob Gimmlin tattoo 376 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.359 just like that out there. Oh is there? Yeah, we had a 377 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:04.839 picture of it on the on the wall when we heard yeah it's cool, 378 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:11.279 right, yes, classic, I've seen two tattoos of me. Nah really 379 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:14.799 yeah, yeah, I said, gone squashing under it. And there was 380 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.720 a picture when I was like my all time fattest and I had long hair 381 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:23.000 and I had my hat on and uh and it just said gone squashing underneath 382 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:26.559 it. And then the other one I saw me was kind of like the 383 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.400 same look and look and it uh, it said, uh, the hats 384 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.400 had gone squashed on it and it was it was it was my face. 385 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:40.000 Did you see him in person or just photographs photographed? No, I saw 386 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:41.559 one in person. I saw one in person. Was on it was on 387 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:48.640 both of them were on the person's calves. They had cows cah. So 388 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.480 many people are used to the the old image of Bobo that even now five 389 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.519 years into the podcast, you know, I post pictures of you guys to 390 00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:59.839 social media to promote new episodes, especially if it's one that's just the two 391 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:03.279 of you. And so I posted one and then somebody was like, oh, 392 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.359 Bobo looks different, is he okay? And so I responded and I 393 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:11.039 said, none, dare relegate Bobo to the mere realm of okay. This 394 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:15.920 man is extraordinary. I said, Bobo stands as a towering monument to the 395 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:19.839 audacity of the human spirit. And the guy immediately replied and said, I 396 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:30.400 concur all right, why don't you give us the next voicemail here and we'll 397 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:33.240 get into it. Hey, guys, name's Dawn here. I live in 398 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:36.880 a small town in northern British Columbia. It's pretty remote and we're surrounded in 399 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:40.920 a lot of bush and a lot of as you say, squatchy stuff actually 400 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.680 happens around here. I had a few friends that have some pretty upclose sightings, 401 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.160 and I've had a few experiences myself spending a lot of time out in 402 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.359 the bush hunting and fishing and hiking and this and that. My question is, 403 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:59.039 if they were to make a major motion picture about a Sasquatch story, 404 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.640 which story would you like to see realize? What would you like to see 405 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:08.359 made into the next major motion picture? Allah Fire in the Sky or Harry 406 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:12.759 and Henderson's Thanks love the show. Well, you know, for me, 407 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:15.000 the first thing that came to my mind was, of course, the Ape 408 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.319 Canyon events. And that's probably because you know, here at the North America 409 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.960 Bigby Center it's Ape Canyon Year. You know, twenty twenty four is the 410 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.440 one hundred year anniversary of those events. Yeah, so we're gonna have Mark, 411 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:27.960 Marcella and April talking about it. So my mind right now is all 412 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:32.279 about Ape Canyon and what a fantastic story it is, and I think it 413 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:36.960 would make a great movie. The inaccessibility of the area like adds such a 414 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:41.200 level of danger to it. The fact that the Sasquatch is attacked in retribution 415 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.599 to one of them being killed, I think is a cool story point. 416 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.319 And of course it's commonly used in a bunch of other Bigfoot sort of movies. 417 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:53.599 But the fact that the saga is still ongoing, it's still ongoing today, 418 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:57.160 you know, like after the eruption, of course everything was lost, 419 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:03.079 and then Mark rediscovered the cabin site, and and and and the Mitchell's, 420 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.519 all those three gentlemen in their twenties, the great grandsons of one of the 421 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:10.240 miners, they'd rediscovered the mine shaft. And then of course it's historic photographs 422 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.160 at all surfaced in October. I think it was that never before seen. 423 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.960 The fact that the saga is still ongoing adds so much to that story for 424 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:23.400 me personally, Like I am all about the Ape Canyon idea. Yeah, 425 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:26.240 so for me, it'd be one hundred percent Ape Canyon. I think it 426 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:32.799 would make a fantastic movie with an interesting sort of you know, a tag 427 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:36.279 on the end of it, with all these developments that have happened ever since. 428 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.200 You know, so not only the scary inside the cabin getting attacked and 429 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:42.720 all that jazz, but the historical follow ups I think are super so SMU, 430 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.960 what about the what about the pre encounter? All the paranormal stuff they 431 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.440 reported? What are you gonna do about that cliff? I'm gonna ignore it 432 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:56.880 because fred Beck was a spiritualist, and he was none of those none of 433 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:02.160 the paranormal aspects of the story were hoarded at the time to the newspapers, 434 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.799 even by fred Beck himself. It was only years and years and years later 435 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:11.440 after he became involved in that sort of spirituality thing that was kind of all 436 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.599 the rage at the time that all that stuff started surfacing, and you know, 437 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:19.119 with the UFOs and all that other stuff. None of the other miners 438 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:26.279 ever reported anything like that, and all the original newspapers never reported anything like 439 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:27.920 that as well, not even when they interviewed fred Beck about it. So 440 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:32.160 I think all that stuff was made up later because fred Beck was well known 441 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:37.000 to be kind of a i'm not sure what the word would be, prone 442 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.920 to flights of fancy in various ways and all that sort of stuff. Not 443 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.599 necessarily making things up in a Ray Wallace sort of hoaxing way, but he 444 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:49.799 would take very unusual perspectives on a lot of things. So I don't think 445 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.359 any of that stuff happened. I think it just got introduced into his book 446 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:57.319 later because he became interested in spiritualism at some point, and I think it 447 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:03.759 strongly affected his person option of the events upon later recollection. Yeah, for 448 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.039 me, it'd be it'd be a ken obviously is one of the one of 449 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:11.319 the top you know ones that pops the minor right off the bat and then 450 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:17.119 the check Co River Engine Devil massacre, that would be that would be awesome 451 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:21.240 because there's elements of that. But I also think uh uh, and of 452 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:26.880 course the kidnapping of William Rowe up in British Columbia that that would be just 453 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.960 But that would be hard because you'd have to have it be a lot of 454 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.559 well, I guess if it's a major, major motion picture budget would be 455 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:34.960 a problem in c g I, so cheap you have to do, you 456 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.240 know, a lot of c g I to do the Family of Bigfoots. 457 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.480 But I think I think it would be a really great one. And I 458 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.519 can't believe it has not been done. It's just unbelievable it hasn't been done 459 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.079 at all. Would be Roger and Bob, phil and Pattick, because you 460 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:53.039 got the whole Baxter and those guys, rodeo stars, Gimlin's whole boxing career, 461 00:29:55.279 --> 00:30:00.200 Roger all of Roger was a fascinating guy, the all to alvi attlee 462 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.880 and possible mob money sponsoring all this, and there's so many there's so many 463 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:10.400 angles you could take and we you know, we know, I mean, 464 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.759 those guys were there. There's still a lot of people alive, I mean 465 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.920 Bottle still alive. And then there's tons of people alive that knew Roger really 466 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.759 well. So I mean, it's not kind of like a canyon where none 467 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.039 of us really knew any of the principles involved, you know, And I 468 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.759 think I think that I think that'd be a great one. Also, I 469 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.880 would like to offer a runner up option for a good story though it's a 470 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:33.799 biography of Bobo. I think that would be fantastic because you know, your 471 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:38.279 story is so your life story. You know, when when we listen to 472 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.759 a good Bobo story time, it's like, how could this possibly have happened? 473 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:49.039 Pad life choices and concussions, a lot of concussions. To take those 474 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:56.039 stories and lay them in the hands of professional storytellers from Hollywood, I think 475 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.240 it could be fantastic. But whatever, I'm not going to watch it anyway, 476 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.680 it's TV. I know you are. I'm not a fan of either. 477 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:08.160 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be 478 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:19.079 right back after these messages, all right, What else regard Hello to the 479 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.720 Bigfoot and Beyond team. Thank you Cliff, Bobo and Matt or Ready great 480 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:27.359 podcast. I've got two questions that relate to the more disturbing behavior of big 481 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:34.240 so from Native American legends. We've heard stories of Bigfoot coming down from the 482 00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:41.920 mortains and stealing women. Have there been any comparably modern reports that you've heard 483 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:47.000 of of such behavior. Second question relates to the behavior of Bigfoot around children. 484 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:51.480 I've heard reports of Bigfoot appearing to children and seemingly beckoning them into the 485 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:56.480 woods. Also, there are reports of Bigfoot steering into children's bedrooms from the 486 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.920 windows. What are we to make of such behavior? Anyway, I looked 487 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.759 forward to your thoughts. Thanks again from Aiden. We've talked about that so 488 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.759 many times. I mean I've talked about this with numerous numerous people, especially 489 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:15.400 the Native Americans, and I mean traditionally, Yeah, they have snatched children, 490 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:21.400 and especially in the northern areas like Alaska and other British Columbia Northwest territories, 491 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:28.519 the Yukon territories up there, there's a much more long history of that. 492 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.960 It seemed to be when there was really really bad like famine conditions for 493 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.480 the animals, like after maybe consecutive harsh winners, and you know, like 494 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:43.640 a lot of die off and they're they're desperate, you know. And yeah, 495 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:47.200 I heard a report a couple of years ago some other investigator had it, 496 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.880 like the one of the last ones I heard that was for sure was 497 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:55.039 a in the in the early forties, there were still Native Americans in the 498 00:32:55.039 --> 00:33:00.680 mountains of Nevada up in northern Nevada that had or central North Nevada had They 499 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:07.000 were teepees, and there was the whole family saw this hairy arm reaching there 500 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.000 was a crying baby and reaching it was feeling for the baby, and someone 501 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:15.000 hit it with a hatchet or something and the hand drew back and screamed. 502 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.400 But it traditionally happened. But I mean, just in twenty twelve, we 503 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:22.079 were in Alaska. I was with Matt and you were with Renee. We 504 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.119 split up in two teams and we were at the hotel in Fairbanks. We 505 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:34.599 met two Indigenous police officers and these guys can they recognized they recognized us and 506 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.680 started talking to us and we were and they were just saying like, yeah, 507 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.839 they had just come back from the case of a toddler that was snatched 508 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.160 by a squatch up outside of North Pole, not the North Pole like you 509 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:51.880 know, Santa Claus. It's a city in Alaska, up above the Arctic 510 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:57.799 Circle. And it snatched the kid and people took off chasing it. It 511 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.720 took off into the lake and was crossing the holding the kid, and the 512 00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:06.960 people from the village charged around the lake, and you know, everyone was 513 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:08.920 on their CBS and walking, you know, radio saying, hey, there's 514 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.480 kids snatched. There's a hairy man going through the going through the lake with 515 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.119 the kid. And they got there, they're about to they're gonna intersect there. 516 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:21.119 They're gonna probably cut it off. It was good. It was real 517 00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:22.239 close, so they're gonna be able to cut it off or not. And 518 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.719 the bigfoot reached the shore and just dropped the kid and sprint it up into 519 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.119 the into the woods and took off and just left the kid there and then 520 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.599 they let it take off. And then they were saying that there was another 521 00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:37.280 case of a missing kid, a toddler who got snatched by one, and 522 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:43.199 uh, they never found anything. There's definitely cases. It seems to be 523 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.519 almost always in the north. You know, the more north you go, 524 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:52.679 where their conditions are a lot Harsher. Yeah, I mean chimpanzees in Africa 525 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.719 steal African kids from villages and eat them, you know, to this day. 526 00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:58.079 I mean, so it's it wouldn't be that, it wouldn't be that 527 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.199 far fetched that what about stealing women. Yeah, well, I mean like 528 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:06.000 we had Ameron on here like God like episode five or six or something way 529 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:10.000 back one of the first twenty. He's a native at the Basket, Indiana 530 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.679 up from the Yukon up by Ruby Galina area to look on the map, 531 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:21.800 and that his I talked to his grandma. Everyone in the village knew this 532 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.239 story. In World War two, like forty two or forty three, they 533 00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:30.199 were down picking berries off, you know. They went up on a gravel 534 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:32.239 bar and there was the berry bushes growing up there along the river bank, 535 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.119 and they were picking and then all of a sudden, they just heard this 536 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.760 scream. His grandma and another woman. They were teenage, late late teens, 537 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.239 mid to late teens. There was three of them and they heard when 538 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:46.960 their one friends screaming, and they just heard boom boom, boom boom, 539 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:52.079 like heavy heavy football is going across the gravel. And there was like fifteen 540 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:58.559 sixteen inch print inch print tracks of this thing running like ten foot stride whatever 541 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.480 takes off, you know, of the you know the woods and disappears with 542 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:07.280 the with the girl. A year later, the South, the saus cultures, 543 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:08.599 they think it was the same. They're positive it was the same one. 544 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:16.039 It was a lone rogue mail and it came their fish camp was getting 545 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:22.280 the fish camps the big smokehouse that several families were using. You know, 546 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:28.239 they had the smokehouse going and just before electricity or anything out there, and 547 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.880 back then, like there really wasn't flashlights were a joke, you know, 548 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.360 you didn't. They didn't really work very well at all. And they couldn't 549 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.280 get batteries, so you know those old batteries and stuff for those things, 550 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.360 they burnt. You could burn through a battery pack, you know, two 551 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.400 a night or something. So they didn't have They have to make torches if 552 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:47.000 they wanted any light. So they their their fish house was getting raided. 553 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.880 So they dug a deep pit in front of the smokehouse, covered it with 554 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.880 blankets and sprinkled like dirt and gravel over it and went to bed. Well 555 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:58.840 in the in the middle of the night, they heard, you know, 556 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:04.400 shrieking and it sounded like there was a wow, hairy man caught down in 557 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.000 the in the because it's not like a woman being murdered, like screaming like 558 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.920 a woman murdered. They you know, got they had torches ready. They 559 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:15.880 lit the torches and came out and looking down and it was that girl that 560 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.639 had been kidnapped like I think nine or ten months earlier. And she was 561 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.800 naked except for she had on scraps of animal hide and I guess she had 562 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.280 you know, tried to. I guess the sound squads had given her deer 563 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:35.000 you know, and she you know, tanned it and did is good, 564 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.719 I guess. But she wasn't like, you know, a real expert at 565 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.039 making the clothes. And she did just get well she could, so she 566 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:45.000 had you know, not not like real nice. You watch a movie or 567 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.400 something, see a Native American dressed in buckskins. You know it's all kind 568 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.480 of tailored, you know, sort of the fit some you know, it 569 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.599 looks like regular clothes. But this this wasn't like that. It was like 570 00:37:52.800 --> 00:38:00.519 just you know, real like slapped together. And she they had to keep 571 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.440 her in a cage for a year. She was like a wild animal for 572 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:07.159 like a year and she finally out. She had severe PTS and she she'd 573 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:12.480 make animal noises and make sasquatch sounds, and then they let her out and 574 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.960 she just was like a mute. She just almost never spoke. She would 575 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.800 never say anything about what happened to her. I guess she'd get some simple 576 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.039 nose or yeses or head nods, but she was just shell shocked the rest 577 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.199 of her life. And she only died like she was alive. When I 578 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.159 when I met Ameron, and I was like, anyone I can talk to 579 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.320 her? Like, no, dude, she doesn't talk to anybody. You 580 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.840 know, she's not going to talk to you. And but I spoke to 581 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:42.920 his grandmother and she she was there. She told the story. So I 582 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.840 thought that was pretty interesting. Well, yeah, that's some pretty nutty stuff. 583 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.400 Yeah, that's and I don't mean nutty like like totally can't happen. 584 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.920 I'm just saying that's pretty crazy stuff, man. But I did get a 585 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:58.920 call. This is a long time ago. And Tom Steinberg he also, 586 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.440 I know he got He got the same call, and I think John Green 587 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.039 did as well. I'm pretty sure. But they called. I don't know 588 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.679 why they called me. I think it's just because I've been on Monster Quest 589 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.159 or something or no Outdoor Life now it was. It was wrapped to the 590 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:16.960 olm with Moneymaker came out and when we did that Mysterious Encounter show, I 591 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:22.280 got a call from a MOUNTI who was there inquiring They were looking into a 592 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.360 disappearance of children of the age of I can't remember how old, but there 593 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.920 had been like seven, eight nine. They suspected of this. They thought 594 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:37.000 it was like a serial killer sasquatch in lower BC or lower to mid BC, 595 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.760 that was snatching children. And I remember the one thing he was talking 596 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:45.280 about that just happened that they said that made them serious about when people were 597 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.280 reported they thought it was a hairy man because it was dudent to I think 598 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:51.559 mostly all Native kids. Maybe one or two that wasn't, but they were 599 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.400 doing it to the indigenous communities. They assumed it was the same one because 600 00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:59.719 they got footprints. They got really good footprints of it. When there were 601 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.079 the toddlers, like kids like six and under, six seven and under, 602 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.840 like several of them were playing in a really shallow part of the river were 603 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.199 kind of like you know, like a side branch, and it was you 604 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.599 know, nice smooth gravel only like four to eight inches deep, and they'd 605 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:20.400 let the little kids play in there and stuff, and there was no adult 606 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.960 looking directly over them, but they were very close by, like you know, 607 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:28.679 just right there, and they just heard fast running the kids scream and 608 00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:34.159 then like really scream, and then it snatched up a little boy and ran 609 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.719 off. And it always took little boys. It never took the girls. 610 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:39.960 Everyone. Every time it would be a boy, even if there was like 611 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.719 a couple of girls, and like one boy, it would snatch the boy 612 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.199 and run off. And they never found any of those kids. Is there 613 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:51.760 any record of this stuff anywhere? Or is it just kind of ignored or 614 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:53.840 what would happened all? Then? Yeah? I think there was. I 615 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:58.400 can't remember. I think it was freight just looked into it. I couldn't 616 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.599 find much I remember for it back a long time ago, because I was 617 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:06.400 like twenty, yeah, over twenty years ago. And then I always wondered, 618 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.320 like was it some kind of like like prank, but like it never 619 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.239 surfaced like it as a prank, and like it sounded like the guy sounded 620 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.920 all official. I got called from him twice and one time I talked to 621 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:16.679 him for quite a long time. He just asked me, like, what 622 00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:21.239 did I know about bigfoots in their aggressive levels? And you know this and 623 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:22.519 that and that. I said, well, you got these, you got 624 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.079 the indigenous people that lived there telling you what's going on with them. I 625 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:28.800 go, I don't know why my opinion would matter at all, and the 626 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.360 slightest but I guess they just saw me on TV and called me. But 627 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.559 there's but then as far as them, yeah, there's dozens. I've heard 628 00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.360 dozens and dozens accounts of people saying when there were children, they remember them 629 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.400 motioning them like han gesturing like motion them come out, come out, come 630 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.559 out. And then there's that story that came out pretty You might know this 631 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:51.039 one. The woman down in Georgia, I think it was, said she 632 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.280 used to it would come to the window and take her. It would actually 633 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:58.440 reach it and take her out of her crib, and for several years she 634 00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.719 would be taken out and she'd they'd take her out into the woods and play 635 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:05.440 with like one or two little toddler bigfoot. I think it was one other 636 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.239 that I think there was just one toddler bigfoot. And she looked back on 637 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.480 it, she thought that and she said she'd get in trouble because her pressures 638 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.039 were like why do you smell? Like, what's this reeking odor on? 639 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.960 You're like, what's going on? And shed the parents come get her out 640 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.559 of and you know, get her up in the morning, and she'd be 641 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.719 all dirty and you know, twigs and leaves in her hair, and she 642 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:29.920 just stinked like she got sprayed by a skunk or something or rolled with a 643 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.039 bear, you know, and you know, just like just this god awful 644 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.559 smell. Then she claims that the female bigfoot that would come take her out 645 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:42.320 of out of her bedroom winter. This went on for several years, and 646 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:45.679 she said it took her to the took her to a cave. I don't 647 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.719 know. I I'm not saying this as her like she's not crazy, but 648 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.639 this is what I heard. The story was that it would take her out 649 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.239 and that when they took her to a cave and there was other adult bigfoots 650 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:06.280 there and they buried a baby bigfoot and the female was like moaning and like 651 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.800 you know, kind of crying whatever, and held her like super tight, 652 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:14.280 like uncint like she's or she felt like almost in danger. It was hugging 653 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.199 her so tight and like just clasping her to her And that was back in 654 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:21.559 the sixties, and this she came out, She came out publicly in the 655 00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:24.280 eighties about what happened to her. There's a few other stories where kids say 656 00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:30.039 they have gone out and played with smaller bigfoots of an adult watching. So, 657 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:31.360 I mean, I don't know, you know, it's it's like I 658 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:36.000 definitely wouldn't. I would not. I'd be super careful my kids are around, 659 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:37.239 and that's for sure. I wouldn't. I wouldn't trusted with a young 660 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.960 child. No. Yeah, I think that story was in Tom Powell's book 661 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.159 The Locals. If I'm not mistaken that there's like a written, maybe first 662 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.920 hand account from that claimant that was sent to Tom as a letter or an 663 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.639 email or something, or maybe conducted for an interview. I'll have to look 664 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:58.840 back and see stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will 665 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:07.639 be right back after these messages. It just seems like that's a sort of 666 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:13.920 universal fear that is associated with the unknown as such, and so you can 667 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:17.920 find beliefs. I mean, I found many references writing the book that tigers 668 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.280 would abduct human women and children, and abduct human women for their quote unquote 669 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:27.159 wives, and the same beliefs associated with bears, and the same beliefs associated 670 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.440 with gorillas. And then if you look at the category of various imagistic or 671 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:37.920 symbolic or characteristic representations of what you could reasonably consider to be like variations of 672 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:43.440 the archetypal wild man, fawns, satyrs, centaurs, etc. Those same 673 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:47.480 beliefs are all associated with them. It's almost like a universal human cognitive disposition, 674 00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.599 like a universal human fear. And so it makes sense to me that 675 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.440 of course people would have those same fears about other animals, and that they 676 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:59.159 would likely have them about sasquatches. And then, as you pointed out, 677 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:05.079 I know Owen he had made a reference to chimpanzees absconding with human infants, 678 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.599 and so it's not unprecedented in the ape world for such things to occur. 679 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.480 But you know, I think to the to the point of the question, 680 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:19.760 like there are traditional representations or folkloric representations or beliefs that describe this as a 681 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:23.119 characteristic of their behavior, but there really aren't that many modern accounts that you 682 00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:27.920 could associate with like specific names and places, like we've all heard those kind 683 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.960 of stories, but it's not like we can produce those witnesses on demand, 684 00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:35.000 so it makes it a little bit difficult. Of like, you know, 685 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.599 we can name Albert Osman who made a claim about being abducted, but otherwise 686 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:44.159 there's always stories about places and people, but yet like we don't have their 687 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.360 names or we can't track those things down or any official records. And so 688 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:51.480 well we have the little Boy. The little boy got kidnapped, like episode 689 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.039 three or four or one or two whatever, one of our first episodes. 690 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:57.400 A little boy that disappeared in North Carolina, three nights below freezing sematars were 691 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.639 on like sharks and a T shirt. It says a bear Man, Harry 692 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:05.360 Bearman, held him and kept a Mormon night inside of a cave. And 693 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.199 then you know that whole thing. O, there's that little kid that got 694 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:14.679 rescued by the Coast Guard helopter thermal imagure and the biggest thing they ever saw 695 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:16.559 in thermal The little boy down and took off back into the woods and he's 696 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.880 set up right in front of the searchers were heading towards. Put the little 697 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:22.400 boy down and ran off. Yeah, it's tricky, I mean, the 698 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:27.320 North Carolina kids said that he spent the night with a bear, so he 699 00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.000 didn't say bear man or anything of that nature. And then, you know 700 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.679 what was interesting. I remember when we recorded that episode, I was looking 701 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.599 at a lot of news articles and he kept saying things like or the family 702 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.519 speaking on his behalf, or like, oh, all he keeps talking about 703 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:44.599 is how he wants to watch his favorite Netflix show. You know, now 704 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.880 that he's home and safe, he wants to watch Netflix. And so when 705 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:51.760 I pulled up like one of the most popular Netflix shows, like the number 706 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.559 one kids show was something like Misha and the Bear, And so I was 707 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:59.079 like, well, is it possible that there's some influence, like some media 708 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:02.719 influence and storytelling or because I think it was the aunt who gave the quote 709 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.760 to the media that like, oh, he said he spent the time with 710 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.480 a bear or something of that nature. So it's hard to say, but 711 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:15.000 yeah, he didn't necessarily or even the family didn't necessarily categorize it as like 712 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:16.800 a bear man or something like that. But it's an interesting case. And 713 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.599 if you remember, we also covered I found an historic case supposedly of you 714 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:24.920 know, a wild man. I think they called it like a nondescript, 715 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:31.199 which is pretty funny but basically describing some ape like creature abducting children very close 716 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:35.840 by where that happened. So those stories do exist, but in terms of 717 00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:38.800 like the modern day, modern era, like can we find someone who's made 718 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:43.440 such a claim? You know, it's specifically could we sit down that person 719 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.239 versus you know, oh, well, such and such claim that they heard 720 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:51.800 from such and such in this unnamed town that these sort of things occurred. 721 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:55.280 It's kind of like the claim Fred Bradshaw made that his dad told him that 722 00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.519 he saw a helicopter carrying you know, with a net hangar under it in 723 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.079 the aftermath of Mount Saint Helens with a hairy arm and a hairy leg sticking 724 00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.639 out. You know, there's one claimant who claims that he heard that from 725 00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:14.239 his father. No one interviewed his father. And then nowadays I see it 726 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.320 all the time all over the Internet and the comment section and questions that we 727 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.679 receive people saying things like, oh, well, you know, dozens or 728 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:25.000 hundreds of people saw helicopters carting off sasquatch bodies from Mount Saint Helens, and 729 00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:29.360 it's like that's not you track down the origins of that story, and it's 730 00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:34.880 just a single claimant that we can identify who also made some other outlandish claims, 731 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.320 let's say. So that's where where I find difficulty, Like, it's 732 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:45.039 certainly possible that any wild animal is opportunistic and would do whatever it needs to 733 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.840 do to sustain itself, even if that means absconding with a human or you 734 00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.039 know, a young human of a more helpless human. But it's just hard 735 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:58.039 to say like, oh, yes, well we can pin such a story 736 00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.480 on this named witness at this named location, on this named date, because 737 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.960 those things seem to be pretty elusive. Yeah, I feel I'm embarrassed now. 738 00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.840 I just did the ultimate, not ultimate, but a cardinal sin of 739 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:15.880 bigfooting. I injected in bear Man, you know, like Simming's not can 740 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:20.079 was in my head and it wasn't set at all. So that's how rumors 741 00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.519 get started. It is all good. Thank you for correcting me, Matt. 742 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:30.039 They're lucky to have two people that you can correct frequently. All right, 743 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.440 Well, we're kind of running out of time here, so and we 744 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.960 still have a members episode to record, of course. Are our members get 745 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.719 to ask questions on the members episode and we get to every single one that 746 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:44.119 we possibly can, So we need to get going and doing that. So 747 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:45.320 I know there's a couple of questions that are still in cube. We're just 748 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.559 going to get to those next time in our April Q and A. If 749 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.199 you would like to ask us question or leave us a voicemail, you can 750 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:57.880 do so by going to the podcast website Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot com, 751 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:01.199 get the contact button and you can just follow the links to either leave us 752 00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:06.239 a voicemail or you can write a question for us, and then we'll get 753 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:07.920 to it and thank you very much for listening. If you do want to 754 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:13.039 become a member, I think that's a brilliant idea. You can just follow 755 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.880 the membership buttons from the website. The website I just mentioned big to be 756 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:20.760 on podcasts dot com, and if you are a member, you get to 757 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.119 not only participate in our members only Q and A, you also get things 758 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:29.280 like an extra hour or so of content a week from clipping the bobs. 759 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.760 And you've been hearing me talk about this Ape Canyon event that's been coming up 760 00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:37.039 for a while. We have a date we're gonna be releasing that sort of 761 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.880 stuff soon. And the first DIBs always go to the museum members, the 762 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.960 North American Bigfoot Center members, but when those sales slow down, basically I 763 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:51.159 put it out for the museum members for about a week, and after the 764 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:55.920 week I always open it up to the Bigfoot and Beyond members next. So 765 00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.760 as long as the museum members don't snatch up all the time tickets for the 766 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:06.920 two nights of Ape Canyon events here at the NABC, whatever tickets are leftover 767 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.679 will go to the Bigfoot Beyond members. So there's another little incentive for you 768 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:14.039 if you are wondering if you should become a member of anything at all. 769 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.000 All right, folks, there you go. So thank you for joining us 770 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:21.320 again. Thanks for the great questions. Keep sending them in. You can 771 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:25.360 send it an email or voicemail, whatever you prefer. And well, I 772 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:35.320 guess until next week, y'all. Keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening to 773 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.079 this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. 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