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More Senior Ball takeaways. 10 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:49.880 We didn't get through all the skill guys yesterday, so we're going to 11 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:54.039 finish up on the skill topics, get into the trenches and talk mic vendors, 12 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:57.240 under the Radar guys, and surprises from the Senior Ball To wrap up 13 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:03.560 our two part series with Mike. You are Locked on Bengals, Your daily 14 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:10.400 Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network. Your team every 15 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:30.159 Day, Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. 16 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:33.239 I'm your host, Jake. Let's go. Joined today by Mike Renner of 17 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:38.159 Venner Ranks. You can find his work here on the Locked On podcast network. 18 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:41.319 Going to be a lot of great draft content as we're in that part 19 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:45.680 of the off season, but self dressed draft prospects that Mike Renner ranks on 20 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:49.480 his show, so you can find out all the rest of what he covers. 21 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:51.879 Like I said, on YouTube, anywhere you get your podcasts, same 22 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:55.879 place you can find Locked On Bengals every day, and we appreciate all of 23 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:59.000 you who don't miss an episode in our every day or is this episode brought 24 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.879 to you by the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports Code 25 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:06.400 to Prize picks dot Com, slash locked on NFL and used code locked on 26 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:09.719 NFL for a first depositive match up to one hundred dollars and Mike. Yesterday 27 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:14.280 we started getting into the skill guys, but predictably, as we do, 28 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:16.879 sometimes some conversations take a little bit longer than anticipated, and we have some 29 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:22.719 skill guys left to talk about. We talked Lad McCaughey, we talked one 30 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:24.240 of my new draft crushes, and I think a lot of people's new draft 31 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:29.800 crushes and Javon Baker. I actually want to go back to Javon Baker really 32 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.520 quick. I just can't quit him. Where do you see him getting drafted 33 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:36.560 before we talk about some of the other Senior Bowl skill players we didn't talk 34 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:40.960 about yesterday. Man, after what he did there and again with his tape, 35 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:46.840 with GBS numbers, with basically everything that he can bring to the table 36 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:51.080 physically, and the fact that like he has great size for the position for 37 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:54.960 you know, he's heavier than Marvin Harrison Junior. So I think he's gonna 38 00:02:54.960 --> 00:03:01.439 be a second rounder is where I'd say I'd put him somewhere between forty to 39 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:06.439 sixty and maybe even like forty to the mid fifties. That's where that's just 40 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:08.280 the type of prospect I think he is and where I see him coming off 41 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:13.680 the board. Just crushing my third round dreams whole sing. Yeah, he 42 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:15.919 ain't making it to the round. I would be floored if he's there for 43 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.960 the Bengals in the third round, second rounds where they'd have to draft him. 44 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:23.199 So if you're sending mock drafts in and you have Javon Baker in the 45 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:25.680 fourth round, because you can still get him in the fifth round, even 46 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:31.039 I think in some of the simulators today just know that ain't happening. But 47 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.599 maybe we'll talk about some other skill guys that could be realistic targets in the 48 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:38.960 third round, or maybe the Bengals will accumulate picks in the second round. 49 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:44.319 And this seems like a great draft to have top fifty, top sixty picks. 50 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:46.840 I mean that's probably true a lot of years, but this year in 51 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:51.560 particular, it feels like the more Day one, Day two picks you can 52 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:55.280 pile on, the better. Yeah. I think how I would describe it 53 00:03:55.319 --> 00:04:00.639 as this draft's about seventy five players deep, and its just like it goes 54 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:04.800 fast. So once I kind of you know, once you get to the 55 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:10.879 fourth round, I feel like there's less talent than usual, but you know, 56 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.719 in that back end of the second there's more talent than would usually be 57 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.079 there. So I do think it's top heavy, and so if you can, 58 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.360 it just feels like a draft that people are going to want to trade 59 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:27.240 up in because of that. The NIL impact, the COVID impact, whatever 60 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.800 it is. The depth of talent in this class is something that has been 61 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.319 often discussed, but let's get back to some of those skill guys. Anybody 62 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:38.920 we didn't talk about yesterday that really we should talk about. That could be 63 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:44.000 Ben Sanat, It could be the other McCaffrey brother at the Senior Bowl, 64 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.639 anyone else who stood out of wide receiver, tight end, even corner. 65 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.000 We talked a little bit about running back yesterday, But are there players that 66 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:54.680 we need to bring attention to right now? Yeah, So tight end I 67 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.600 think is mostly interesting for the Bengals, especially because they need one. Right 68 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:01.480 the wide receiver you have, so you need one. But I think there 69 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:06.120 are pathways to that not being a massive issue, whereas like tight end this 70 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:10.920 past year, just like straight up didn't have a guy. So for my 71 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.800 money, there were two guys that I thought really made themselves money, really 72 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:18.160 looked like, hey, you know, maybe they're not they're never going to 73 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.800 be, you know, George Kittle or Travis Kelce that they're just there's one 74 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.920 of those in this class. It's Block Bauers, and he's not going to 75 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.199 be on the board at pick eighteen. I'd be surprised if he is. 76 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:32.279 But I thought Theo Johnson from Penn State looked really fluid as a pass catcher, 77 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:38.360 really big wing spin, big hands, just a guy that you can 78 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:43.680 I don't say feature in an offense, but you can trust in an offense 79 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:47.360 as a pass catcher. And that's obviously something again Bengals don't really have. 80 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:53.160 And then the other one, I thought bensonatt was far more impressive on tape 81 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:57.079 at the Senior Bowl than I saw on Kansas State's tape. And now he 82 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:01.879 was actually running more diverse routetree than you have rankin State. But the attitude 83 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:08.439 that guy plays with is something that I think could be very valuable to a 84 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:12.639 Bengals team. Really brings an edge not only as a blocker but as a 85 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.120 route runner, like super physical over the middle of the field. A guy 86 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.920 who with the ball in his hands you can like legitimately throw screens to and 87 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:25.680 after the catch just refuses to go down. You know, is always going 88 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:31.160 to maximize whatever catch he has. So I don't think he I think he 89 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:33.439 ends up a Day two pick. Now, now it's probably back end of 90 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:38.600 the third but after what he had the Senior Bowl and in a limited tight 91 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.759 end class, I think both those guys could sneak their way into that range. 92 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:46.560 Yeah, I mean third round pick tight end wouldn't be opposed to that. 93 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.040 It depends on how free agency goes, how the first couple of rounds 94 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:53.639 of the draft go. But Ben's not a name in particular that has been 95 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:58.680 interesting because of the two way ability, the inline ability where he does block 96 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:02.240 at a reasonably level for a college tight end especially, and if he can 97 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:06.319 tap into something as a receiver and as a refinement to his game as a 98 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:12.120 receiver where he has the raw ability. But one of the common knocks I 99 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.000 saw was, you know, route running and intricacies of playing the position, 100 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.399 then you might be able to get something there. Do you remember any of 101 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.959 the GPS data on Sinat? I know I'm putting you on the spot there, 102 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:27.120 but was there anything that suggested high level athletic profile. So he was 103 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.560 I think the second fastest tight end there and it was pretty close, so 104 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:32.759 Jeane Bell was the fastest, but they were like neck and neck, and 105 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:35.800 Bell's obviously very undersized, not going to be you know, he's more just 106 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:39.560 like an athlete playing tight end, so that was encouraging for him. I 107 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.560 think it's around like nineteen miles an hour, which you know it's not going 108 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:45.759 to be you know, Luke musk Grave. I believe it was the fastest 109 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:47.759 last year of the tight ends at Senior Bowl and he was up over in 110 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.680 the mid twenties. And that's, you know, how you get drafted in 111 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:55.920 the top fifty at tight end. Sam Laporta wasn't there, but that's the 112 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.720 kind of range Sam report is into. So just to kind of give a 113 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:01.839 comparison, like he's now going to be a vertical threat or much of but 114 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.439 a guy that definitely I think showed more in terms of, you know, 115 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:13.279 underneath intermediate ability than I had expected based off his team. More of a 116 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.240 solid kind of tight end who's not going to be the dynamic playmaker, but 117 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:20.759 gives you something and gives you some run after catchability and can play online, 118 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:28.399 which is a package that the Bengals would certainly benefit from. I think wide 119 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.879 receivers, any other wide receivers. I saw Vicky Parsl's name come up quite 120 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:37.360 a bit. Roman Wilson obviously left the Senior Bowl early. Anyone else that 121 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.679 was very noteworthy to You mentioned McCaffrey's name earlier as well. Yeah, I 122 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:48.840 think Roman Wilson he was very impressive. He's just very fluid, great hands, 123 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.240 a guy who I do worry about his catch rats and the fact that 124 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:54.919 kind of who he is as a wide receiver, which is more of like 125 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.759 a downfield threat with that catch rad is just that I think could be a 126 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:03.720 bit of an issue. But he's a a guy you love. Is like 127 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.200 an ancillary piece to me. He's like a number two or three in an 128 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:11.480 offense, but super reliable in that regard. The other interesting you said there 129 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:18.720 at the end, Luke McCaffrey is very interesting to me because he's super tough, 130 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:24.399 a great size, really strong hands, really natural feel for run after 131 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:26.840 the catch, and he's only been playing wide receiver for two years now. 132 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:28.200 He's probably be playing wide receiver for much longer. Obviously, his father was 133 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.720 a wide receiver in the NFL. It's not like he didn't know how to 134 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.039 play wide receiver before he switched from quarterback to wide receiver. But it's still 135 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.360 there's still probably some meat on that bone developmentally, with only two years of 136 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:46.240 actually focusing on it full time at the collegiate level to where that skill set 137 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.759 could push at in the NFL level. So I thought he was very intriguing 138 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:50.759 what I saw from on tape. The sel it's a family that has been 139 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:56.919 successful in the NFL. It's good blood lines for sure. You definitely don't 140 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:00.600 with them have to worry about the work they're going to put in. Like 141 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:05.080 the stories that they talk about, how psycho they are in their preparation about 142 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.000 it. Their dad made them wear sweatpants the day of games just so that 143 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:13.799 they had the mobility and their legs and like light sweatpants so that it wasn't 144 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.840 too heavy. It's like they don't leave anything to change in terms of their 145 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.240 attention to detail. That'll be an interesting name to watch as well. But 146 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.960 for Bengals fans watching the Senier Bowl, I think a lot of the conversation 147 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:30.120 was honestly and a lot of the attention was paid to the trenches both sides. 148 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:35.000 We talked a little bit about Devondre Sweat sweat yes yesterday, and obviously 149 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.799 some big name tackles down there talking about Jackson Powers Johnson yesterday as well. 150 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.480 Let's get into the trench conversation coming up next. Today's show is brought to 151 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.679 you by door Dash. Door Dash is perfect for you, me, Jake 152 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:54.559 Lisco and well everyone. 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A number of high profile tackles, offensive linemen, 188 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.720 a number of high profile defensive linemen at the Senior Bowl could talk about 189 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.360 these trenches for quite a while. The focus for me from a Bengals perspective 190 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:28.399 is on offensive tackle and defensive tackle, although obviously there's some pretty good edge 191 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:33.559 players down there. Versattle defensive lineman down there. Robinson from Missouri stands out 192 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.440 in that regard as the guy that can move all over the place. But 193 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:39.840 let's start on the offensive line. We talked about in our mock draft that 194 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:43.519 you graded yesterday, Marius Mems being the first round pick and a guy that 195 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:48.960 I need to differentiate from Amarus MEM's as Tyler Geiton as a guy who had 196 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:54.840 injury issues, played a handful a couple hundred more snaps maybe than Mems in 197 00:13:54.879 --> 00:14:01.240 college. But they're getting pretty significant different grades depending on where you look, 198 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:05.639 can you talk about Tyler Guitdon's week and how you see him as a prospect 199 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.279 and help me compare him, help me differentiate him from Amarius Men's. Yeah, 200 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.440 I honestly think Mims, for not having played as much football, is 201 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.360 probably a little more technically sound, like he is just cleaner with his hands 202 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.919 and feet in pass protection, whereas Guidan's still a little bit of working project, 203 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:26.919 working process whatever. And he later bloomer later on his career two years 204 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:33.159 at TCU where he didn't start transfers to Oklahoma starts the last couple of seasons, 205 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.799 and then tape at Oklahoma's facing a lot of three man rushes. Just 206 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:43.320 with the offense Oklahoma runs, they're not getting it's not getting challenged the way 207 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:46.000 you know. He's just gonna get a challenged the NFL level. So I 208 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:50.759 was very impressed with what he put what he did at the Senior Bowl because 209 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.120 again it is one on ones, and I thought he was just way more 210 00:14:54.200 --> 00:15:00.799 under control that he looked on tape consistently at Oklahoma, and and now he 211 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:05.279 still doesn't have like a number of sets at his disposal. I think he 212 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:11.200 still needs to develop in that regard, but just as an athlete, he's 213 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:16.519 more explosive than mim. He is twitched up like he is. He's got 214 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.120 it all. It's all there, from the side from six seven three thirty 215 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:24.759 to his length to just what he can do. It just needs to be 216 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:28.480 honed in. So I think Mm's a little more polished, a little more 217 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:35.679 under control, a little steadier, whereas Guitan is like a trends more towards 218 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.360 the boomer bust end of the spectrum. In my opinion, I see them 219 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.000 both kind of in that world of possibility. Both of them kind of feel 220 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:48.159 that boomer bust just because of the inexperience, which maybe is just over generalizing 221 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.720 a little bit there. But with getten, a number of really impressive reps 222 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.360 of the Senior Bowl, and you can find all the one on ones if 223 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:56.919 you search for them on Twitter. It's a beautiful thing about Twitter and a 224 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.600 world wars. They're pros and cons. You can you can find this stuff 225 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.200 pretty easily. There's a number of reps where he looks like he's moving great, 226 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:10.279 the athleticism pops or you know, he looks like that. The power 227 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:12.399 is really there and the ability to anchor is really there. But the big 228 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.759 thing that sit out to me, and this is maybe too nitty gritty, 229 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.720 is the hands are going wide quite often, and even on reps that are 230 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.080 being passed around. Is Tyler Kighton wins the hands are both outside the shoulder 231 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:26.919 pads. Is that something that I'm making too much of a deal, too 232 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.279 much of a big deal out of or is that something that you look at 233 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:33.919 and doesn't give you any pause? It definitely that's his biggest worry rights his 234 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:40.519 hand usage and offensive line for not being considered a skilled position, which we 235 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.799 discussed earlier. It's more skilled than people give it credit for. You o 236 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:48.000 it. To win at a high level, you have to be skilled and 237 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:53.120 so you know, I will say that stylistically in pass protection, some guys 238 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:57.799 will keep their hands wise is just like a knowing that they can time it 239 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.039 well. I don't guid in times particularly got I think I based off his 240 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:06.480 tape like he doesn't I know, David Baktiari is the king of clamping down 241 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:11.640 outside like it is a form that I don't know. It's necessarily taught, 242 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:15.039 but that can be executed, but it takes consistency to do so. And 243 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.720 again based off of guid state He's not nowhere near close to that, so 244 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.799 I do agree with your assessment there. Obviously, there are a number of 245 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.640 other linemen at the scenea bole to talk about on the offensive side of the 246 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.240 ball. Troy, Foratana, did not go, but talked about Jackson Powers 247 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.799 Johnson. Who are the other guys that you feel it's really important to talk 248 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:37.480 about the weeks they had in Mobile. Well, I think this interior class 249 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:42.079 is really intriguing, secially for the Cincinnati Bengals, and obviously just could use 250 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.359 talent anywhere along that offensive line. Right. So there are a number of 251 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:51.359 guys who I thought, based off of what they did there could be second 252 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.319 rounders now. The one who really stood out, who I think one like 253 00:17:55.359 --> 00:18:00.480 offensive linement of the week was Christian Haines from Yukon. A guy who's very 254 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.920 athletic, as like an ideal guard build, and he's short with long arms 255 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:07.480 and his anchor in the one on once was fantastic. That was what I 256 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.960 worry about at Yukon going to a high level competition going to the NFL. 257 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:17.799 Howoudy fare in that reguard passed the Flying Colors very impressed with him. I 258 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:22.559 would also say Dominique Puney, the Kansas tackle who played tackle this past year 259 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.880 guard the year prior. I thought he had a great week in the one 260 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:29.000 on ones on the interior, like I thought a lot of the tier guys 261 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:33.920 pretty much handled this defensive tackle class throughout the course of the week, and 262 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.759 now I feel pretty confident about him being somewhere in the top seventy five picks 263 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:42.799 after what he put on tape there. And then Jordan Morgan from Arizona didn't 264 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:47.119 have the best week there. He's playing mostly tackle, but he's a guy 265 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.680 who I think if he kicked into guard, would be a high level guard 266 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:55.160 as well. So I think all those guys could be off the board by 267 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:56.200 the end of the second round. And if the Bengals picked them in the 268 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.559 second round, I don't think i'd argue with either of them. Talked about 269 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.039 Christian Jones a little bit yesterday as well, the highest profile guy perhaps talays 270 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:10.880 t Lisa Kelly essay. I thought that I wasn't pronounced Okay, I'm learning 271 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:15.640 so islander names the trick if there's a trick, or just like how they 272 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:22.920 is you pronounced every vowel I could gets it. I looked at Oregon State's 273 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:29.160 pronunciation, and I think it was okay, I'll take your word for it. 274 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:34.680 Though has been inside the top fifteen on a number of boards I've seen 275 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.359 in the last couple of weeks. Did he live up to that status? 276 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:42.119 I would get that gives me a little pause seeing those, because I do 277 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:47.759 think his foot speed and sort of you saw it in this his ability to 278 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:52.920 like really react to guys who can get to the edge quickly and bend back 279 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.880 to it is I am a little worried about. But in the run game 280 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.640 he was awesome. I mean, he's a pure people mover, is just 281 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:07.240 so strong throughout his frame and just like so easy with his ability to you 282 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.039 know, when everything you know works in unison, when his hands hips fire, 283 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.640 it's like you can be your toast. He's just very put together for 284 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:22.079 an offense tackle. But he does leg behind I think, especially the top 285 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:26.480 of the class, whether it's all Shanu or even like Mims or Giten, 286 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.680 in terms of just their foot speed and ability to mirror edge rushers. So 287 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.319 I I wouldn't I wouldn't put him in that kind of conversation just yet, 288 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:38.720 but I know others. Half if you're the Cincinnati Bengals or US as Cincinnati 289 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:44.559 Bengals, pretend GM's with our pretend hats on and our basement, says Duke 290 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:48.319 Tobin, would think, uh, we're looking for more athleticism on the offensive 291 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:53.160 line. Fuago is probably Fuaga is probably not not the guy you think. 292 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.640 Yeah, Okay, I would, Yes, he's I mean he's he's not 293 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.240 like slower than Orlando Brown, right, I mean he's definitely not. But 294 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:07.440 having two of those guys can leave you well more than you exposed, right, 295 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:08.920 And it's like he's gonna have to block TJ. Watt for the next 296 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:14.400 first entire rookie contract. That's the kind of guy he would struggle against mine. 297 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:17.920 Yeah, there's another side of the trenches that we haven't talked about yet. 298 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:22.039 And there's some interesting defensive interior prospects down in Mobile and some interesting edge 299 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:25.400 guys. But I do want to focus on the interior and I want to 300 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:29.920 get your surprises and any other under the radar notes that you've got from your 301 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:33.519 time down in Mobile. We'll finish the show there coming up next. Lockdown 302 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.839 Bengals is sponsored by Better Help. 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Darius Robinson another big standout, but when you're talking defensive line prospects 331 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:36.359 in this class, there's also I think Ohio State's what's his first name, 332 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:41.160 Hall's Michael Michael Hall, oh weird. Weird to forget that with a Mike 333 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:45.799 across from me on the screen. But tell me about those guys. Tell 334 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.599 me about the guys that stood out to you the most on the interior or 335 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:52.240 exterior. I guess not as interested in the edge guys, so to be 336 00:23:52.319 --> 00:24:00.519 honest, at least early, Yeah, defensive, they draft another edge he's 337 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.559 not going to see the football field, So yeah, the interior, I 338 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.440 honestly was fairly disappointed. So guys who came in who I thought of is 339 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:11.599 like top hundred picks. Guys like Brandon Fiskey, the Florida State defensive tackle, 340 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:18.720 Dwayne Carter from Duke, and I throw Michael Hall in that mix too, 341 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.279 as possible top hundred player, and McKinley Jackson from text A and M 342 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.559 I think that was it. Oh, Brandon Dorles two for Morgan. So 343 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:32.119 those guys are all like potential top hundred and tts and of them, I 344 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:37.319 think Michael Hall is the only one who maybe made himself money over the course 345 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:40.960 of the week, you know who on what he did there really was like, 346 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:44.640 Okay, this is this guy could be a player at thanks level, 347 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:48.400 but he's he's like purely a three technique. He's still way undersized in the 348 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.160 low two eighties, but he's the early declared and hasn't played a ton of 349 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:55.480 football, So he's kind of a wild card, lottery ticket type of pick 350 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.519 because physically he's got the kind of feet that it takes to win as a 351 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.039 pass wrestler at the NFL level. If you're not going to be a pure 352 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:10.359 explosive, get off bull rusher type on the interior, like you know, 353 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:14.720 like a Fletcher Cox, you better have you better have agility behind you, 354 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:18.000 you better be able to make guards and centers miss to get to the pastor 355 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.359 and he has that. He's just you know, he's just way undersize right 356 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:27.799 now. Surprised even declared early considering you know, everyone else said La State 357 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:33.279 brought back this past fall so or this upcoming fall so. But he definitely 358 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.920 can be that impact sort of past rest of the next level, but just 359 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.839 kind of developmental guy at this point, so not going to make a year 360 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:42.400 one sort of impact. I think everyone else there kind of just was met 361 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:48.079 and the one on ones, Dwayne Carter's probably if you're looking for a versatile 362 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.039 of those guys, he's the most versatile of those defensive tackles, but he's 363 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.519 a little too up and down in my opinion, a little too inconsistent based 364 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:00.759 off his tape of Duke and just like he's a guy who can open up 365 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.880 big holes in the running game because of that inconsistency, but also could be 366 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.839 a playmaker for you. So that's why I'll probably still be a top hunder 367 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:12.839 pick Devandro Sweat being the standown. I know he's a little bit three tech 368 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:17.319 exactly, but we did talk about him yesterday and Robinson b Zoo. Is 369 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.359 he a guy that I mean, he's big enough to play kind of all 370 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.519 over the place, right, So I don't think he's a pure interior guy 371 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:29.359 though, is because he's so high cut. He's just a long, big 372 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:30.839 dude. And that's why I think this pass fall. So he had been 373 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.640 an interior player from Missouri starting his career, and that's why I think his 374 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.960 past fall was his career year. Obviously, that's like how it happens anyway, 375 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.240 but because he played on the edge more than he ever had before and 376 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.119 really made more of an impact in that regard. So for me, he's 377 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.519 more of a if he's an interior player, he's more in like the Malik 378 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:55.920 Jackson mold where he's never really kicking inside inside, he's just he's playing over 379 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.680 tackles like a three four defensive end sort of interior player. You're not a 380 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.920 guy that because once you get him inside at that kind of just that body 381 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.160 type, he can really get moved off line scrimmage for stuble team. So 382 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.160 a guy i'd probably want more on the edge, so you know, more 383 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:15.279 closer to like a Miles Murphy thinking about like bass downs five tech because the 384 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.519 Bengals will put five defensive linemen on the field. If he could play five 385 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.799 and bass downs and then be a three tech on pass rush downs, is 386 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.640 that something that and occasionally I guess he could play a little bit of edge 387 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:32.160 as well, like as well. I think that's a solid role for him 388 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.160 for sure, just just trying to find the fence. I don't know that 389 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.799 he'll make sense because he sounds like he's going to get drafted in a spot 390 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.920 where the Bengals wouldn't be prudent or able to pick. But he's going to 391 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:47.559 go somewhere probably between like twenty five and forty five. And it's like that's 392 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.319 right, you put right up portray backs. Let's finish with some of your 393 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.279 guys. Any any surprises. I know that like one name that was totally 394 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.319 new to me that I saw as a surprise for some people as cornerback Chole 395 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.599 smith Way. I don't know if that's going to be one of your guys 396 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.720 as well. But tell me about your guys at the Senior Bowl, your 397 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.359 standouts, so maybe other people haven't talked about as much, or were guys 398 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:14.599 that popped to you were surprises under the radar kind of guys. I really 399 00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:22.559 liked Jarvis Brownlee the Louisville corner back, Okay, and I in man coverage, 400 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.720 there's like two things you got to have. One is the athleticism to 401 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:29.200 play band coverage. You got to be able to make up ground. But 402 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:34.960 two, you have to have some quick processing and ability to read routes right, 403 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.720 because it's if you're always just reacting to what a wide receiver does, 404 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.759 you're going to you're always going to be a steps half second late, right, 405 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.039 You're always gonna give up a little separation at some point and leave yourself 406 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.200 liable. And what he did, I think better than any of the other 407 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:57.359 corners there that really showed on tape, was he understood based off of releases, 408 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:02.039 where they were going, basically where this route had to go. And 409 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:07.880 he was jumping guys routes more so than anyone else, basically understanding where they 410 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.279 were going before they went there, where they had to go before they went 411 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.799 there, better than anyone else. I was really impressed with him. I 412 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.920 thought that was a heck of a week that he put on tape, and 413 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.400 I think he's going to be now a top HUNDERD pick after that. So 414 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.240 that's probably the one guy at Highlights. I'm trying to think of anyone else 415 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:30.799 who really like came out of nowhere that I was a fan of. I 416 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.440 also think there's some linebackers down there that I think are going to be high 417 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:38.640 draft picks. And at afuan ulaf o'hiel. I don't know if linebackers in 418 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:44.920 the Bengals plans whatsoever or not, but the Washington linebacker, he he was 419 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.160 fantastic in the one on ones covered against running backs and he's not like a 420 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:55.920 great athlete, but he kind of has that that whatever that Logan Wilson also 421 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.000 has where it's just like he's not going to get caught completely out of positions, 422 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.799 not going to get jumpy and really take the bait on something and just 423 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:10.000 always under control and able to change directions at a moment's notice. And so 424 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:11.400 I was a fan of his game. I thought he had a great week. 425 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.039 I don't know the linebackers and the Bengals fans plans, but it's funny 426 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.640 that you make that comparison to Logan Wilson, because it seemed like both of 427 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.480 those linebackers for the Bengals this year were taking the bait a little bit more. 428 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.480 This is an episode that he didn't have the best year. Well, 429 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:30.119 the safeties go in, the interior defensive line play in Cincinnati, those things 430 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:38.079 certainly didn't help punter any any big punter notes, no nounes. Yeah, 431 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.680 good punters come on the football field and I start talking to people around about 432 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.880 that's the networking time, right, Yeah, make some new friends, Mike. 433 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.000 We appreciate the time, the insight. I'm sure we'll keep in touch 434 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.519 throughout the draft season. The combine is the next step, of course in 435 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.160 the draft process. Free agency coming up as well. Not as much a 436 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.240 topic for you, but I'm sure you'll have some content on rentor thanks around 437 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:06.519 free agency as well. We appreciate Mike's time and insight. We appreciate all 438 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:11.119 of you out there for listening to this episode of the Locked On Bengals podcast. 439 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.680 We've got more Senior Bowl contact coming up with some more French conversation with 440 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.640 Parker Blake, who has done some work for Allbengals dot Com is at the 441 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.240 Senior Bowl as well. That's coming your way next on Locked On Bengals, 442 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.799 and until then, thanks for listening. 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