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The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall
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yeah, and now in O Media
Chucky May four, May the fourth be

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with you. I guess it is
a Star Wars holiday right as I speak

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live allegedly according to that thing we
call a calendar. Indeed, it is

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the fourth of May twenty twenty three, and here we are live on Ocelli

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dot com Radio, which, by
the way, there was an outage on

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many, many, many radio broadcasting
platforms, and I think mine might have

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been down for a couple of days. But we are back to live,

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and those of you listening on the
podcast, you don't care anyway, But

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I'm still putting out the podcast doing
all that good stuff. And here we

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are again. Boy, the week
flew by quickly. We are back around

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to Thursday. And last Thursday,
I wasn't feeling well, tried to go

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to air, and no, I'm
not releasing that podcast, but I am

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going to redo the show minus one
element. No Carmine Savastano tonight, although

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we're gonna get Carmine with us again. Scheduling I guess prohibited him from joining

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us tonight. But we are blessed
as per usual, I've got Mike Swanson

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in the first hour, the guy
behind Wallstreet Window dot com be in the

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no go to Wall Street Window dot
com. He's also the author of the

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War State, Why the Vietnam War, the first in a series of three

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books, three planned books on that
conflict, but author of many other pieces

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of work out there. Actually wrote
an introduction to a book that his dad

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wrote that's up on Amazon anyway,
links to all that in the show notes.

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And yes, indeed my voice is
still a little weak. But what

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are you gonna do? Sore throats
or sore throats? And I'll try and

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get the shutting up as quickly as
I can. Michael Swanson with me in

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the first hour, second hour.
Larry Hancock, the author is so many

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books. I'm not going to bother
to list him right now, but you

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can always go to Larry dash Hancock
dot com and check that out, and

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I advise you to read his blog. You know, we've been talking aliens,

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we've been talking Russia, JFK assassination
randomly. I have no idea what

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we're going to get into tonight,
because I had a plan last week,

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but it might have went awry.
Anyways, let's get to it, Mike

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Swanson, and I did go to
air five minutes late on the live stream,

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but again, podcasters podcatchers don't really
tell time. You don't care.

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You could be listening to this anytime
anywhere and it doesn't really matter. But

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as I speak, it is just
about eleven minutes after eight pm Eastern time

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here and what we used to call
America. Mike Swanson, I know I

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sound more coherent this week than usual, although my normal sloppiness is in play.

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How are you doing tonight, sir? Oh, I'm doing good.

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It's good to talk with you head
a week where I've been taking it easy

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quite frankly. So we did the
show last week. Um it helps spur

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me into making a decision to slow
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I have a a table that's right
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that has one two over fifteen stacks
of piles of papers documents that are supposed

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to be a chapter in a book
that and it's been sitting there for for

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several years now. So is that
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just a Vietnam book. It's gonna
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Really, But I've decided, um
to slow down my website and stop

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doing these. It takes me ninety
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been doing for the past couple of
years. Oh yeah, for the listeners,

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you know, it's great to sign
up for those uh you get.

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I mean, look, it's a
totally different thing than what you get from

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JP s Attilla who does the rundown
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news brief over there, and I
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So oh okay, in order to
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you know, to write a book
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and you do have some people putting
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I've slowed that down to what I'm
referencing all kinds of stuff. You're gonna

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slow down, okay, yeah,
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website every single day or Monday through
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it once once a week. Um. Well, you know, for people

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that that do like some kind harder
labor job, they're sitting there going these

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guys are complaining about doing websites.
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becomes quite dreaming when you have to
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to keep updating them on a daily
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mean, I've slowed down quite a
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gonna speed back up, and we're
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podcasts a week again. It's gonna
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personally gonna talk on twenty podcasts,
but I'm gonna go back to my five

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as per usual. You know,
Chris has three. That's eight right there.

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You know what I'm saying. We're
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but it becomes exhausting if you don't
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back a little bit. You got
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a lot of hours on a computer
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the organism that you are. You
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working on your eyes. I really, you know, I wasn't. I

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really want to do more serious writing, and I came to conclusion just thicking

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back over the past year of a
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a big impact or you know,
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read them, but a couple of
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level. You saw people actually react
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you were putting out. And that's
the thing is that you can choose to

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pump out a high volume of stuff
truthfully and you know, and it's a

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crapshoot, or you can really focus
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a show live by the Way,
and a cult priestess who was scheduled to

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be with me, she broke a
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wasn't me taking the break. But
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you know, tripping over things and
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we're trying to pump out a lot
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basically two or three years ago,
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starting like two or three years ago. I would start the year out and

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I would say well, I'm gonna
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gonna have to slow down and start
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than I want to do, or
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website of more writers and really make
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you know, I finally made a
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down. And one thing about it
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the things I have written, that's
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I didn't need a giant platform to
get them out. They just kind of

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went viral on their own. And
one article was one that we talked about

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on your show about the LBJ tapes
and the Kenny assassination. Well, I've

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got you know, I could write
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more free time, with original research, and would actually be more conducive.

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I if I want to sell more
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up interest in the next book whenever
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in researching and you know, doing
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feed the news cycle. Uh really
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whatever. Oh yeah on the website. So and I've decided to change things

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up a little bit. We're not
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gonna be a lot of one hour
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Even though I've been dragged, kicking
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be more video stuff going on,
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on getting out things that are more
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to happen. Plus uh, you
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it's great to just pump out a
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where it goes. But I mean, ultimately, uh, you got you

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gotta be choosy about this kind of
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people out there might be going,
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that any of this stuff can become
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make a cost benefit analysis. What
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Right? Um, And I'm very
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you know, to Dallas in November. Ultimately that's going to be a

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big thing for me, and it's
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Um, we're going to go forward
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um using facilities. Yeah yeah.
With that topic, Karma has been doing

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looking through the recent files. He's
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in these defectors, Soviet defectors and
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the famous ones like Nussenka, but
all of them and he's you know,

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studying that. But he's hopefully we'll
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just say he's found a real explosive
JFK document, not in terms of solving

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it or something, but one.
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get him on the show to get
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you know, it's not out there
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couple of weeks, a unique piece
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to go through a bunch of things, a bunch of us now, uh,

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and it's been very interesting and quite
frankly, Larry's working on that that

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you know UAPR you know stuff right
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very academic and dry reading to some
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mean, that's gonna be quite interesting. Uh. He's still not going to

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get away from the JFK stuff.
He's likely going to be in Dallas also

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in November. UM, And I
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interesting year for all of us because
it is time that that that that our

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impact is much much better measured,
and we're all gonna make choices. I

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mean, I'm gonna love to see
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I appreciate what you do with the
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you actually put together a volume.
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it'll be great to just sort of
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from you with geopolitics, because again, I love the War State and where

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it takes us up to there going
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have happened since basically where that book
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it. Frankly, why why is
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same name about the War State?
Why? You know what I'm saying like,

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I think these kinds of things could
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saying that you need to do them. What I'm saying is that other people

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might get interested in this material and
want to um transpose it to other types

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of media. And I think that's
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I hear tell of a bunch of
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on maybe having interest and going forward
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to see that that whole thing happen. And yeah, I just I just

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look forward to the evolution of this
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be an interesting time. I just
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ruts, you know, because sadly, we have twenty twenty four selection coming

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up, Mike, and you know
that's gonna occupy a whole lot of air

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in every room everywhere, right,
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deal, isn't it. Well that's
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for the past couple of years,
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them out. Um, I'm still
set out occasion. I'm still gonna set

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out occasional emails, but I'm not
gonna be doing that, you know,

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and you mentioned JP's attille. I
highly recommend everyone get his. Go to

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news vandal dot com and subscribed.
It is his is a daily email.

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But yeah, I mean, I'm
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minutes to put mine together. It's
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do what he does. Oh,
I mean it is the four or five

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six hours a day because he's finding
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tell you how. I mean,
I don't he's going. Well, he

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told you in your show once.
He just has lots of websites bookmarked and

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goes through them every single day,
right, and he balances out a whole

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bunch of things where he goes for
you know, the opposing view. Okay,

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so you got a headline story,
let's say, and let's just talk

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about Okay, it's Trump and his
most recent legal woes. Right, So

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he'll get an article which is clearly
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sort of right wingy press, right, and then he'll go and get a

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left wing attack sort of article and
place that with something that might seem a

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little more neutral, uh, you
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If you will right, your your
reuters, and your associated press and put

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them all together. And what he
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thing where you get it from all
sides, right, and then each one

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of these little beats in the story
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you just read the headlines, you
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of a complex construct there, which
he puts together. And yeah, it

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takes several hours. Um. And
he's another one who's thinking about changing up

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the way he's doing stuff and you
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anything, but he's probably one of
the best writers that we know, just

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pure authors of information. He tells
very interesting stories without coloring them too much,

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but at the same time giving you
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a lot of information and very succinctly
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rare. I mean, right,
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people kick in a little bit here
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of dollars a month. I support
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you know, not a lot.
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the guy would make a living,
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major newspapers. But I'll just say
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Financial Times in the Wall Street Journal, as far as straight news of what's

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so often the news cycle it's just
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balloon story panic a couple of months
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became you know, there's a stupid
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all the major websites, and it
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crap I got, I got here. I don't want to look at Elon

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Musk garbage, right, I don't
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is again here we go, And
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of the way news Break is marketing
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no, their their most recent push
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because we are your local news where
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my on my YouTube, you know, because I don't pay for any of

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that stuff, So I gotta deal
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on all my video platforms that have
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my audio platforms. Uh if you
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radio things, even if you have
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once in a while, right if
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know what I'm saying. Um,
and a lot of them are are they're

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they're actually literally paying for ad space
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a news break and we are your
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which you know you you talked about
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that this is precisely what they were
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to me like everybody in the world
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their local stories even no longer going
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whatever it is that's in their area
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death of local news essentially, and
and we were talking about this thing as

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an aggregation tool. It's literally become
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matter where you are, your local
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oh man, yeah good decided another
advertising like that. Well, I just

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say I sold out and um submitted
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for them. Okay, so now
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present to people in Virginia right as
we're the local news for Virginia, and

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it'll be yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. You

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know, when we first were talking
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they were. They were linking to
my website. I would write a local

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news story, they would linked to
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of hints. And then starting around
New Year's they stopped linking to my website,

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and I noticed the Lee Enterprises,
giant conglomerate local newspaper, they stopped

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linking to them too. They continue
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where I live, but it looks
like a lot most of them had made

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some sort of deal where they're taking
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something and that's a program they have
for publishing companies. Well, I submitted

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to join that because I gave up
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They never responded. So then I
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one there. You know, anyone
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do it, but it's it's not
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local paper r I Live is owned
by Lee Enterprises. Well, they put

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the Riddichment Times, Dispatch Rodo newspaper. They are newspapers across the country.

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They're the second or third biggest owner
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shrink them. And our newspaper they
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people subscribe to it. I don't
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it's but a few thousand people.
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they put out announcement saying they're considering
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only putting out three paper newspaper a
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it is already minimal. Their website, they have unique websites forevery of their

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newspapers, but I think they look
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attract an audience or build a connection
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an example of the death of the
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bothered me was when the news break
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went and looked at the various apps. I don't have these things on my

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phone, so I had installed them
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my website, I looked at all
the local news websites, and I realized

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that someone that sixteen years old that
gets on their phone really has no way

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to tell the difference between my website
or the the enterprises website right, which

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you know, to the other websites, they all blend together, right,

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it's all a blended mix of right. And then they got their apps.

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app is the sifting But that's the
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tool. And I just forwarded you
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John leake Um about the change in
attitude of you know, with the Washington

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Post in the New York Times,
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you know, the World Seed Journal
this week what well, with the way

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that they're presenting news and the way
that they're breaking things and challenging you know,

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the establishment um, which is interesting. And it's all become this very

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homogeneous sort of blend of stuff and
then it's just sort of squeezed out like

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Plato through these apps where this is
your information stream now, right, So

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it's impossible to discern the legitimate journalistic
organization from the guy who's got a local

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popular blog or you know, an
independent person who might be very serious like

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yourself, who's actually trying to get
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It's impossible to discern you from the
little mom and pop newspaper that's still

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trying to survive, from the you
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it's been bought up locally. All
this stuff has sort of been squeezed together

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into one big pile of Plato.
Right, Yeah, and eventually the news

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about this, yeah is I'll use
myself as an example, any I mean

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it's good and bad, but any
person if they want to, can just

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go to their city council meetings and
start writing about it. And if you

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just do that, the listener um
you would have a huge impact. You

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probably could. But here's the community, because that's what app That's all I've

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done, right, you know,
there's you know that's what I've done.

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Do I know you've been going to
the council meetings and stuff and going to

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these important you know, like we're
getting together to discuss this particular project and

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stuff like we talked about the concert
that was local to you, this kind

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of stuff. But what's bad is
now, is anybody ever gonna get paid

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again? Outside of the big huge
right, the people that are on the

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app, they get paid, and
you know, the ad revenue comes to

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that. That's that's right, that's
right. But there you go. So

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death of the job that is journalistic, it's over. I think it's possible.

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I think you can build your own

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or get motivated. I really want
to write, dude, Can you

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do research and write some stuff?
Well? You want to do some more

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long form historical stuff, is what
you're going to be doing. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, But I think
I think one could do it. And

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the example, well, I I'm
a baseball fan and the I follow the

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I like the Baltimore Orioles, but
it doesn't matter what the team is.

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I follow this sports team. And
in two thousand, you know, there's

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the Baltimore Sun. Uh, just
a few outlets really covering them, right,

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radio shows that you know, I'm
sure, and in the Maryland area,

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like a local uh there there's like
an ESPN radio outlet or some kind

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of local sports talk, you know, probably the same station that carries the

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game. Yeah. But what there
was a anyway, There was one website,

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there was a message board that was
pretty big. Now it's over time,

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it's fallen by the wayside as most
message boards have. But at this

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moment, there's probably five podcasts about
the Bottomore Orioles baseball team, and there's

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ten to twelve websites about them,
put up former reporters and so forth.

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The thing is, probably none of
these people are making very much money at

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all, and that's the problem you
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that is and they've been around since
the eighties or nineties. In what they

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are, there are a sports publication
just for the city of Baltimore. It's

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free, they distribute it to stores. We've paid advertising in it. They

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also have a radio show and um
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when I was looking at these apps
and seeing how all the news sources are

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blending together, they answer to that. The solution or way to work beyond

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it, I think would be too
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or podcast that is integrated into the
articles. That way, when the people

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load the app up and go to
your article, they'll listen to the thing,

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the audio visual thing, and that'll
be the connection to have of you

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that's unique that the others aren't doing. Yeah, that's the one way to

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support that. I think that's ultimately
a trick. Yeah, No, Ultimately

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it looks to me like if you
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here's some video clips, here's a
short podcast, here's the written article,

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and you have this all combined into
one thing, there's your publication. Like

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it's the evolution of the magazine,
where the magazine's now not just pictures and

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words, but it's pictures, words, video clip audio, here's the podcast

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discussion, and you make it interactive. That's the only way, and what

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is it going to do. It's
going to be done all along a bunch

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of different niche issues. Obviously fandom, whether it's a TV show or sports

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team, or it's following politics or
whatever. That's the way it's going to

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be now, and that's the only
way to go on. I mean,

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if you look at the major corporate
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cold, it's not really super attached
to the listeners. It's not very interactive.

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See. That's the difference between the
major corporate ones and the Independence is

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that the Independence actually try to connect
with their audiences. Other than that,

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it's like I connect with my audience, you know, which causes me to

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have a loyal base, But I
don't have the the the giant expansive you

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know, a bunch of tools to
put out a bunch of different things.

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I'm working on it though, okay, But once I do, then that

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allows me to have sort of a
diverse universal magazine that has a diverse amount

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of different types of media combined.
That's got to be the key anymore I

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think, is that's the way it's
going to go. Anyway, let's take

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a little break and we'll come back
on the other side and maybe we'll discuss

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some other stuff, or we'll continue
talking about the evolution of the media and

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the information waves of today, because
it is changing. And look, I'm

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not saying I've got a crystal ball. I'm not prognosticating here, but I'm

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just taking a look at which way
the wind is blown, and so are

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you, Mike, and we're going
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Mike Swanson is with me for the
next little bit. Then we're gonna get

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into segment number three with the one
and only Larry Hancock. So we've been

462
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talking about media stuff here in this
first hour, and definitely covered the gamut

463
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if you excuse me, if you
will. Uh sorry, Mike had a

464
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little bit of a belchair dinner was
reminding me. I just ate it.

465
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Sorry. Anyways, the thing is, uh, yeah, we were going

466
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over some media stuff here and it
has been an interesting, uh couple of

467
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what a couple of weeks in the
media. We've seen what the dismissal of

468
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Tucker Carlson, Ton Lemon so your
major MSM people, and I had a

469
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bit of a viewpoint on that this
past Friday show. But let's not go

470
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into that. Let's actually get into
some news. Um, gotta tell you

471
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.039
it's strange, and I know I'm
gonna have to discuss this with Larry in

472
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:49.960
the next hour. But yeah,
any thoughts Mike on the assassination attempt of

473
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.960
Vladimir Putin allegedly, I mean,
go ahead, what do you think?

474
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:59.840
Well, the thing you talk about
to me, you know when to me

475
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:12.039
when the Ukraine War started. That
really soured me too on the so called

476
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:16.760
alternatomy media and just social media in
general as far as trying to find out

477
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:23.719
what's really going on, because I
really believed in the first twenty four hours

478
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forty eight hours that and I was
trying to really follow it closely to figure

479
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:37.360
out where this thing, that war
was all headed. And I just really

480
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:45.880
believed I was being bombarded on both
sides by manufactured propaganda distributed through Twitter and

481
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:53.599
you know, social media to control
people with these different narratives. And then

482
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.800
I do and have subscribed to the
New York Times, and I've you know,

483
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.039
talked about some of the things with
you that are reading there on the

484
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:14.400
show, because I consider the New
York Times to be the mouthpiece of the

485
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.280
national security state, at least some
of their calmness in particular. Yeah,

486
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.159
I would say our mouthpieces of the
national security state. And I've read a

487
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:28.880
couple articles, you know, explaining
that they even speak that way as if

488
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.440
they are and they want China and
Russia to read what they're saying. Well,

489
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.679
in the lead up to the war, they you know, had articles

490
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:44.679
showing the disposition of the Russian troops. Um, you know, the first

491
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:50.280
let's say, three or four weeks
before the war started, there was the

492
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:57.599
the Ukrainians, Zelenski was saying there
won't be a war, and then the

493
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.320
New York Times put out these articles
and you look at that and you say,

494
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.800
well, boy, they sure do
you have these things mass like they're

495
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:09.400
serious and then they did turn out
to start a war. But um,

496
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:20.239
one troubled aspect of their coverage is
their main source is a think take ran

497
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:27.880
by the Cagans, right, Um
that that were the big proponents of neo

498
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:34.559
conservatism and the Iraq war surge.
So you can't just you get to point

499
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:38.960
with the subject of Ukraine. I
just don't want to take any source at

500
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:45.079
face value. Now, Well,
it's tough because they all have agendas,

501
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.840
Mike. So the thing is that
the agenda, you know, comes through

502
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.480
first, and then you're trying to
get at, you know, just some

503
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.480
solid brass tax information. What is
interesting to me is I don't think anybody

504
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:02.159
a year ago was saying this will
last a year, you know what I

505
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:07.400
mean, Like, nobody thought that
that that there would be this much resistance.

506
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.519
I mean, quite frankly, it
seemed to me like Ukraine would get

507
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:17.000
rolled right over by by Russia or
there would be intervention, okay, and

508
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:22.119
that would be prevented. And what's
happened is neither of those things has happened

509
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:27.559
cleanly, has it? Right,
we have the continuation of this conflict.

510
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:34.559
It appears to escalate and just sort
of stagger along. This very small country

511
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:39.760
is getting pounded continuously, right,
allegedly to protect a certain area, to

512
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.480
take back a certain area, you
know, so on and so forth.

513
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.159
But forget about all that for a
second. It is really amazing to me

514
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:53.519
that this has gone on as long
as it has. And I don't think

515
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:57.639
any of these, any of these
people, whether it was the mouthpieces for

516
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:02.119
our national security state or the propagandists
for uh, you know, the pro

517
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:09.440
Russian propagandists, or the you know, supposedly pro American but non interventionist uh

518
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.719
propagandists. I mean, all sides
here. We got a lot of different

519
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.599
sides, and all of the propagandists, the one thing they all seem to

520
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:22.320
miss is that this was going to
be a protracted event. Um. And

521
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.559
it's weird to me because I don't
think anybody was saying that. Do you

522
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.519
do you recall anybody saying this is
going to go on for a long time?

523
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.840
Uh? Not right when it started, not at the beginning. No,

524
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.679
I mean, because the one thing
that seemed to be universally accepted,

525
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:45.920
no matter what the propagandists bent was
is that this will be over pretty quickly,

526
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:52.519
right, But it's not unpreceded.
I mean, no, no Iraq,

527
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:58.519
that Iraq war against Iran. Before
the Americans were over there, they

528
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.760
had a war if Iran. Yeah, that turned into a stalemate. Um.

529
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.039
And I think it was expected when
it started that the Iraqis would be

530
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:12.519
able to have a pretty good victory. And that war lasted for several years.

531
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:17.880
Uh. And this, you know, looks like that's how this could

532
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.199
be headed, could be But but
weird because again, okay, so let's

533
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.039
go to today's you know, banner
headline out of this, right, this

534
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:31.559
drone strike that was allegedly targeting Putin
or targeting you know, the Kremlin in

535
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:37.199
general. Right. Very strange because
now this has been I don't know how

536
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:42.079
many claims, but a handful claims
now that have been made that the Ukrainians

537
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:50.960
are staging terrorist attacks asymmetrical warfare against
Russia in order to you know, get

538
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:55.280
them to back off or in retaliation, right. Um, And that narrative,

539
00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.000
on his face just seems crazy to
me that they would even be able

540
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.400
to do that. Now, Zelinsky
came out today and said, you know,

541
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:06.239
look, we're spending time depending on
our land and let's be honest,

542
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:13.000
if the guy was somehow marshaling asymmetrical
attacks against Russia or Putin directly, he's

543
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.159
not going to come straight out and
go, yeah, we did that.

544
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:20.719
But I don't know. I'm I'm
at a loss to believe that that's what's

545
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.719
happened. And the Russians seem to
have now put out statements saying that they

546
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:30.119
believe that it may have been American
based in some way, but the Ukrainians,

547
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:35.119
like, in other words, with
American support, Ukrainians are attempting to

548
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.639
do these things. And I don't
know what to think of this, um,

549
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:43.039
I mean, do you have any
thoughts on that particular event or or

550
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.519
you just like wait and see on
it. I'm waiting to see. I

551
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:52.079
haven't really study trying to study it. Figured out it does seem I mean,

552
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.119
yeah, my first thought would be
what you're saying that it seems pretty

553
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:01.639
fantastic and it's probably a ruse by
the Russians. That's how the war started.

554
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:07.239
Yeah, and right away they started
out by saying they're evacuating people from

555
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:15.119
that to the Dunbass region. Russians
were being evacuated into Russia because Ukraine was

556
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:19.400
going to attack. Well, that
was all a ruse. You know,

557
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:27.320
you know that they're doing Look most
things when it comes to war, um,

558
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:32.000
the trickery, audit propaganda, it's
all about their own people. They're

559
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:37.400
not trying to fool us, They're
trying to if it's a trick, he's

560
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.360
trying to fool the Russian people into
believing that this is happening. Well,

561
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:44.719
and you know what's and you know
what's highly suspect to me is that people

562
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:50.480
that are admitted mouthpieces for our CIA, our intelligence community, right current people

563
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.800
and UH and and people that in
the recent past were in positions of authority

564
00:47:54.400 --> 00:48:00.519
UH in the intelligence community came right
out immediately and started saying the one thing

565
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.159
that we don't think this is is
a false flag attack by the Russians because

566
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:10.239
they have no need to justify what
they're doing, because they're already doing what

567
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.440
they want. They don't need to
stage this for some excuse. Now I

568
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.039
object to that. And also the
moment that you see you know, former

569
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.599
CIA, this guy or current whatever
person coming out and saying, hey,

570
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:27.400
this is not what this is,
you know, going out of their way

571
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.280
to address something like it's not a
false flag attack by the Russians. It

572
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:36.320
almost automatically, Um, you know, suggests to me that that's that is

573
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:42.760
indeed what it is, because people
to get on television to be saying these

574
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.800
things in the first place, Yeah, good points. That's supposed to be

575
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.960
intelligence agencies, like for the American
people. They're supposed to report to the

576
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.519
president. Right, So what are
they doing? Right? No? Look,

577
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:58.280
automatic question there. But secondly,
when you see you know, former

578
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.760
CIA guy, former fat when you
see them come out and make you saying,

579
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.719
hey, look, folks, this
is not what this is. What

580
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.440
does that make you think? I
mean, you know, your initial gut,

581
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:12.199
what does that tell you? You
know, pay no adjution to this,

582
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.719
folks. Nothing to see here,
Move along, you know what I'm

583
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.639
saying. So you know, I'm
not saying that's what it is. I'm

584
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.440
just saying that, man, when
I see these sorts of things and these

585
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.440
guys come straight out and make an
effort to make a statement that you know,

586
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.760
this is not something that it is, almost suggests to me that it's

587
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.320
like they don't want you even looking
in that direction, because indeed the real

588
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:40.360
circumstance might be in that direction.
And what is their job is not to

589
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.880
inform us, but to keep us
in the dark, right, So you

590
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:47.840
know, I'm just saying when when
you see a guy who's out there and

591
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:53.320
his job was, you know,
counterintelligence and psychological warfare, and he's out

592
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:58.239
there trying to decode something that's happening
and telling you this is not what this

593
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:04.000
is. Yeah that that that that
that's a weird sort of reverse psychology to

594
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.679
me. But then again, it
could be just me in my suspicious mind

595
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:12.519
like the old Elvis song, right, I mean, it just is what

596
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.400
it is. But Mike, we
only got like a couple of minutes left

597
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.639
and then we're gonna move on to
Larry Hancock. But uh, anything you

598
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.920
want to close out with here,
Uh, clearly bad about a week this

599
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.480
week, So thank you. I'm
always looking forward to hear what Larry has

600
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:32.480
to say. Um. So that's
that's kind of my last two cents I

601
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.920
got you. Well, you know
what I'm gonna I'm gonna run this very

602
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.840
same thing by Larry before he gets
into whatever's on his mind tonight. Uh,

603
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:42.199
because I want to know what his
view is on this, you know.

604
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:47.639
Yeah that's yeah, me too,
believe me. We're gonna go there

605
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:52.679
with Larry Hancock starting right off but
in the meantime being the no go to

606
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.400
Wall Street window dot com. Uh, it is not just about Wall Street,

607
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:59.440
It's about a whole lot of other
things. Mike might be slowing down

608
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.639
his email and everything, but believe
me, there's plenty of information over there.

609
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:07.639
And as for usual, I suggest
that you read The War State and

610
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:12.639
also Why the Vietnam War, which
is the first in a series of Well,

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historical and interesting, with stuff in
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unique style, the writing style of
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have had with me. In the
first hour, Mike, thanks, Hey,

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are you coming? Are you coming
back next week or are we gonna

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have to wait two weeks? I
should be here next week. Excellent.

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So we will talk to Mike Swanson
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right up, the author who occupies
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through Conversation. Get ready, So
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Okay, the older intro from the
Ocelli Effect. But segment number three beginning

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now, I have author Larry Hancock
with me and we are going to discuss

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some current events that are awfully strange. So let's get into the geopolitical military

704
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what the hell is going on?
And I'll start off this segment. Before

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I do start it off, I
advise you to go to Larry dash Hancock

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dot com check out his work always
I'll give you the link to his blog

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in the show notes, etc.
Follow that follow Larry's work, especially the

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more recent stuff he's doing on UAPs, which we covered a couple of weeks

709
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.079
ago on the show. I know
there's gonna be more to discuss about that,

710
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:07.360
but no UFOs tonight, at least
I think not. Although I'm not

711
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really satisfied that we have an identification
on the aerial object that allegedly was sent.

712
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:22.400
As you know, the banner headline
assassination attempt against Vladimir Putin? Okay,

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So, so shall we just begin
with the headline? Was that an

714
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assassination attempt? They're blaming Ukraine and
now also blaming the United States because the

715
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United States is back in Ukraine.
Ukraine's president comes out and says, look,

716
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we're having a hard enough time defending
our own territory. Why would we

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be doing this, etc. Et
cetera. So who do I turn to?

718
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One of the best analysts period that
I know for sure, Larry Hancock?

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01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.719
What the hell is going on with
all this? Number one? But

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because I don't know, I got
my suspicions, let's put it that way.

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01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:04.000
But do I have enough information to
follow through and give you guys a

722
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:08.000
satisfactory analysis at this time? I
don't, But perhaps Larry Hancock to us

723
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:12.440
first, Larry, how are you
doing tonight, sir? I'm doing good,

724
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:15.320
Chuck. It's good to be back. It's good to have you back.

725
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:19.039
Look, really sorry that we weren't
able to get to you last week.

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01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:22.159
But yeah, I had had a
bit of an issue. If anybody

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01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:23.719
missed it, I had a bit
of a seizure on air. And no,

728
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:28.800
I'm not releasing that podcast because only
got as far as talking to Mike

729
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.280
Swanson and that was not going well. So uh, there you go.

730
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:38.880
But I am intact and you know, shaky as always, but still here,

731
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:43.960
folks, not going anywhere. Just
just yet. Um, so larry

732
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:47.320
to to this point. What a
what a weird landscape, What a strange

733
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:52.440
time to be alive? Um?
Did you see the film of this yet?

734
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:54.679
Uh? Because I want to begin
there, but then I'm just gonna

735
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:58.039
let you go and tell us about
the rest of what in the hell is

736
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:01.360
going on? H Did you see
the film of this alleged drone attack on

737
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.800
the Kremlin and all that? Yet? Yeah? I've seen three or four

738
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.800
versions of the film. I mean
it is it is handy for you know,

739
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:12.239
simp. People will go why is
there a film at all? And

740
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:16.079
it's sort of like, well,
it is like the most symbolic building in

741
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:20.559
the Kremlin, you know. It's
kind of like, is there constant film

742
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:24.760
coverage of the White House? Yes? There is. I mean there's cameras

743
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:28.239
set up for security purposes a way, so at least we know there's no

744
01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:31.159
real mystery as to why there's film
of it. But good news is you

745
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:35.519
kind of started off for once,
we know that it's it was an object.

746
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:42.519
At least we have that first art. It's not really identified in terms

747
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:45.840
of origin or intent, but we
know it was a flying object. So

748
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.280
at least we gotta we gotta start
for a change. But we also know

749
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:54.960
a couple of things it was not. It certainly was not an assassination weapon.

750
01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:00.119
If you look at that film,
the explosive charge, if there was

751
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:03.239
an explosive charge on the device,
and it wasn't just whatever took it down,

752
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:08.679
which which we don't see on the
film. You know, seeing the

753
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:14.239
film from Ray's angles, you see
something flying in on a trajectory, and

754
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:18.199
one of the questions it gets to
be, what is that If it's a

755
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:27.519
you know, propeller propeller driven drone, why do you see a trail coming

756
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:30.639
down in the film? What's making
that trail? Or was that a rocket

757
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:36.199
coming after the drone towards the Kremlin, which would be pretty exciting. It's

758
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:40.480
kind of like we've got to we've
got to take that sucker down, even

759
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:44.960
if we hit the Kremlin. There
are lots of unknowns about the film,

760
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:48.719
but we're seeing an object, yeah, well really quick rail behind it coming

761
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:54.239
towards the Kremlin roof, and then
it goes off for a minute and you

762
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:59.239
don't see it, and then suddenly
you see something explode, apparently near the

763
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:04.639
flagpole, but it's it's a minor
explosion. It doesn't certainly not enough to

764
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:11.880
damage the roof. Seriously, it's
nothing that could have penetrated that building.

765
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:18.000
It's in no way a real serious
weapon that could cause damage to the building

766
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:25.000
nor in any way harm Putin if
he were there. It's you can't there's

767
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:30.559
no way you could consider it as
a serious assassination effort. Whatever it was

768
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:36.400
was symbolic. I think it's safe
to say that because it's something happening over

769
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:45.039
a building that symbolizes Russia. So
we can say it's it's a symbolic event.

770
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:50.440
It is not a serious weaponized assassination
attempt. Well, because if it

771
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:56.480
was more serious, you would have
a much more significant explosive device being employed

772
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.599
here. If they were to,
say, try to do some significant damage

773
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:01.960
to the build holding or damage to
building enough so they could harm the occupants,

774
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:06.000
it would be a much more significant
machine. Okay, I don't even

775
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:10.719
know if this is not something.
Now this is weird because it almost makes

776
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:15.159
me concur with some of the talking
heads that they hauled in, you know,

777
01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:19.719
immediately onto onto the MSM right where
it's like, well, this might

778
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:26.000
be opposition from somebody within Russia.
Now, is it a significant piece of

779
01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:29.800
opposition, like an actual attempt on
poutin? No, But is it a

780
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:33.000
symbolic thing to say, hey,
look, you know we're we're objecting.

781
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:38.440
Is is it the kind of thing
where it's just like an objection being noted,

782
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:42.559
you know, to what's going on? Or is it something else?

783
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:45.239
I mean, I'm not buying this
idea that this is some sort of a

784
01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:49.760
you know, asymmetrical attempt to make
a point or to actually do some damage

785
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:57.880
being conducted by Ukraine. I think
that's completely ludicrous. What are your thoughts

786
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.840
there? Yeah, that's resistance going
on in Russia. We do know there's

787
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:09.920
some opposition to the war and the
administration. You know, it doesn't look

788
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:15.119
like it doesn't look like to me
if it were symbolic, whoever these folks

789
01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:18.520
were, would seem to have done
more to take it, you know,

790
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:24.640
responsibility for it in advance or not
in advance, but to make it clear

791
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:29.199
that you know, this is an
opposition to the war, right, but

792
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:33.640
that's not there quite Frankly. The
symbolize the symbolism, and you know,

793
01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:44.640
Russia has always been about symbolism about
important dates and their their nation's history dates

794
01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:49.079
are critical to them. Uh.
You know, if there's some symbolism going

795
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:56.199
on here, the only people leveraging
it, I mean, obviously there's nothing

796
01:08:56.319 --> 01:09:00.159
for Ukraine to leverage, right,
you know there the only people that are

797
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:06.960
leveraging the incident and taking an advantage
of it are the Russian spokespeople and essentially,

798
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:14.159
I don't know, you probably saw
Chuck the the interesting remark that I

799
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:19.279
saw immediately come out because you mentioned
asymmetrical, and somebody's going, well,

800
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:26.479
yeah, how could this What could
the Ukrainians? What could the Russians not

801
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:30.039
do that they haven't done yet?
Right? You know what? What's Where's

802
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:38.119
the asymmetry? Was their Secretary of
States response that said, this incident gave

803
01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:45.079
them the authority and moral and legal
right to target essentially to kill and assassinate

804
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:51.760
not only Zilinski but his entire cabinet, and thought gave them the justification to

805
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:57.520
do that. Now, that's that's
an interesting like who benefits from this?

806
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:05.000
That would be yeah, that would
be one symbolic justification to go all out

807
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:12.159
to waste the kid of administration.
Right, Well, that that was my

808
01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:15.960
initial thought is that indeed it could
be a false flag, like I said,

809
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:21.199
in order to justify well, now
you've made an attempt on our capital.

810
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:27.960
That means that we can you know, pound Kiv, right, and

811
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:34.319
because we have to retaliate. And
there was something about retaliation or in the

812
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.279
initial statement that came from the Russian
government, right, that was sort of

813
01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:43.520
like, we're going to have to
answer this, And I didn't maybe the

814
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:47.680
same statement you're talking about where it
was indicated that look, we're going to

815
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:51.439
have to do something about this.
And it seems to me they're the only

816
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:56.279
ones that have made a statement like
this. So and that's the other interesting

817
01:10:56.359 --> 01:11:00.680
thing is if this was a legitimate
opposition from within the country, a good

818
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:04.319
point, why wouldn't somebody have claimed
responsibility and said, look, this is

819
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:08.920
a point we're trying to make.
Or maybe we don't want to harm the

820
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:12.600
Russian government, but we want to
make Ladi mere putin reconsider what he's doing.

821
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:16.279
And it may have nothing to do
with even the conflict in Ukraine.

822
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.920
It could have to do with something
else, right, but no, none

823
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:25.920
of that has happened. The only
statement so far. And it's not as

824
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:28.279
though, you know, we're not
dealing with a regime that doesn't control the

825
01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:32.479
information coming out. So indeed,
there could be information that somebody wants to

826
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:38.399
get out about this that's not emerging. But you would think if it was

827
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:43.600
some sort of point against Putin,
somebody would have taken responsibility. Yeah,

828
01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:48.600
and I think yeah, in terms
of focusing on Putin, it does one

829
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:54.199
thing. A it makes it very
personal. This wasn't the way Russia responded.

830
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:58.439
It's public statements was this is all
about Putin? Right, This is

831
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:02.279
an assassination on Putin, which does
two or three things. First of all,

832
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:06.399
it makes Putin look very important.
I mean, up to this point,

833
01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:13.439
one might say, gosh, in
terms of the Russian military adventurism in

834
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:17.840
Ukraine, Putin's a nonentity. He
hasn't made any right decisions. You know,

835
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:24.279
Putin's not the key adversary. Let's
take out the Wagner guy. You

836
01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:28.600
know, if if we're gonna go
kill somebody, let's go go for the

837
01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.960
guys that are running the private military
companies or running going for the you know.

838
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:36.239
But this makes Putin like the epitome
of Russia. If it's in back

839
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:42.039
on the pedestal, is target number
one, so he's obviously the most important.

840
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:48.800
So to me, it actually reinforces
how important and critical if Ukraine felt

841
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:54.800
that way. I don't for a
minute think that Ukraine feels that Putin is

842
01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:58.920
the number one target. If anything, I suspect right at the moment,

843
01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:04.319
you're Kraine is more than happy to
have Putin bolloxing up the whole command structure.

844
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:10.720
But it's so if there's some symbolism
to me, because Russia immediately made

845
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:15.640
it personal, the symbolism is about
elevating Putin, an elevating Putin's position,

846
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:21.359
and then giving them the right,
the moral right whatever, to go not

847
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:28.279
after Kiev. I'm not talking about
massive strikes on. They specifically said to

848
01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:33.159
go after Zelinski and his cabinet,
and what that means is, you know,

849
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:39.920
forget targeting Kiev or Leev. You
know, we're going to bring some

850
01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:46.359
weapons into play that are going after
individuals, whether that's assassins, that's you

851
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:51.520
know that that ratchets up the security
phobia in Ukraine, which is already quite

852
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:58.239
high and is counterproductive for Ukraine.
So again, I have to step back

853
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:02.199
and say the only the only people
that I see that profit by the symbolism

854
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:10.520
of of of what wasn't really a
serious attack would be the Russian psychological warfare

855
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:15.680
people, and in particular putting himself
since it re emphasizes his importance. Right,

856
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:18.479
and we have to put this alongside. You bring up Wegner. Well,

857
01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:24.600
this week it was floated and I'm
not sure how serious to take this,

858
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:28.000
but apparently the leader of the group
there was saying he's running out of

859
01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:35.039
ammunition and unless he gets resupplied shortly, I guess there's going to be consequences

860
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:40.600
there where maybe they're not going to
be able to continue to press things as

861
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:45.079
they have up to this point.
Not a good look on the world stage

862
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:50.159
there, if you know, if
you're you're supposedly private contractors are saying,

863
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:54.880
hey, look, we're not getting
supplied well enough to prosecute the thing that

864
01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:58.439
you're telling us to go do.
Uh you know, what are your thoughts

865
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:00.479
on that? Because I mean that
it's a weird thing to also come out

866
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:04.159
this week too, right, it
really is, and it really is a

867
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:11.560
good diversion in a way because the
conversation up to that point was really about

868
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:18.319
literally about Russian military infrastructure. Because
the incident that occurred last week that didn't

869
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:23.680
get much coverage is now there have
been at least there at least three or

870
01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:31.039
four major other paramilitary companies that have
been formed by oligarchs or by companies like

871
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:38.960
gas From, and they have fielded
their own forces inside Ukraine. And last

872
01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:44.680
week there was an incident to incidents, actually one from contract people working for

873
01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:49.680
gas From, as I understand,
who actually complained that when they ended up

874
01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:58.720
in Ukraine, they were taken over
by the Donets people through public forces and

875
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:02.800
fed into the front lines against their
will. What happened at that point in

876
01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:10.199
time is Wagner objected to it,
and there actually was a gun battle between

877
01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:15.239
a variety of Wagner for it.
You know, you don't. That's a

878
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:18.199
terrible story to have floating around,
and it was getting a lot of coverage

879
01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:26.399
in military circles, and of course
this diverted attention from that. But the

880
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:30.800
last thing you want is those kind
of discussions going on in advance of any

881
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:35.760
Ukrainian counter offensive, and this did, you know, preempt some of that,

882
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:42.239
or at least divert attention from the
the infighting that's going on within the

883
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:47.279
various Russian units, right, and
all of this is happening again. You

884
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:49.720
know, last week we were going
to wind up discussing some of the other

885
01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:56.159
movements and some of the other issues
that are occurring on the African continent,

886
01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:00.319
which does seem to be disconnected from
the circum dance in Ukraine. But maybe

887
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:05.079
not, because there's a bunch of
stuff going on here, and I don't

888
01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.760
think it's getting a lot of coverage
generally in the Western world. I mean,

889
01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:13.239
you know, here in America,
we're quite busy with new shooting events

890
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:16.880
every day and various things like that, and of course the different announcements and

891
01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:24.640
pronouncements from different potential presidential candidates,
so on and so forth. I mean,

892
01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:28.560
which, by the way, I
find it interesting that CNN is actually

893
01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:31.800
gonna have a town hall with Donald
Trump. You know, for those who

894
01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:35.560
think, oh he's they're totally against
him. They're working against them, and

895
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:41.920
they're gonna use him to amp up
their primetime TV viewership by giving him a

896
01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:45.279
town hall. Yeah, Okay,
he's not part of the programming or anything.

897
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.039
He's not part of their business strategy, is he. Anyhow? Forget

898
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:54.520
that what about what's going on there, because we had a lot of action

899
01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:58.720
going on in Sudan and places like
that, and how does this, uh

900
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:03.000
you know come to play regarding the
circumstances there in Ukraine. Yeah, I

901
01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:09.640
think one of the one of the
things that the Wagner Group UH leader said,

902
01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:12.239
as you said, he made has
made a lot of confidence or the

903
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:15.319
last couple of weeks. But one
thing he has literally said is that because

904
01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:20.680
essentially there is treason within Russia and
he used that word by the way,

905
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:29.359
people as people aren't getting the ammunition
they need. Quite frankly, he's beginning

906
01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:33.680
to run out of the prisoners h
And he's what he said was he's going

907
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:41.079
to have to preserve his force so
that he can continue his other activities,

908
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:46.720
which are almost entirely within Africa,
Central Africa, North Africa. That's where

909
01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:54.279
PMC, his company makes their money. That's where his business is. What

910
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:59.119
he's what he's doing in Ukraine was
you know, purely a patriotic activity.

911
01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:03.560
And it was okay when he was
doing nothing other than sacrificing prisoners. But

912
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:08.720
now that he's starting to chew into
his core units, you know, that's

913
01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:12.560
bad for business. So he he
literally came out and said that, and

914
01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:17.399
again that didn't get much coverage in
terms of so what is his core business?

915
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:25.199
And his core business is in Africa, where he has done deals as

916
01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:33.880
a security broker for some African nations. He's done deals as a weapon supplier

917
01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:39.119
for revolutionary groups. I mean,
he's happy to play both sides of the

918
01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:42.720
fence if you need, if you're
in power, he'll give you a security

919
01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:47.000
force. If you're not in power
and have access to natural resources that are

920
01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:51.199
profitable, he will get you whatever
you need. As a matter of fact,

921
01:19:53.079 --> 01:20:00.920
he has forces, Wagner forces actually
flying MiGs in combat missions in North

922
01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:09.119
Africa, in Libya, and I'm
sure one of the they would have been

923
01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:16.119
happy in Sedan once they're the people
that they're supplying weapons to. The revolutionary

924
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:25.920
group there managed to take over several
high end Egyptian MiG fighters. I'm sure

925
01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:30.159
he would have loved to have gotten
his people in there and flown them out

926
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:34.920
and added to his air force,
but the government forces blew them up.

927
01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:39.880
Apparently somebody blew them up before that
could happen. But the bottom line is,

928
01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:45.800
if if you step back, where
Wegner is really has been extremely successful

929
01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:53.399
and is making tons of money is
in Africa because they have they had this

930
01:20:53.600 --> 01:21:00.640
double ended deal where they do business
with whoever has control of the assets.

931
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:06.960
Either it's a government in power or
it's a revolutionary group, and their service

932
01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:14.520
is around weapons, but their real
profit is in getting access to those resources.

933
01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:18.640
And that's why he's partnered with some
other Russian oligarchs to do that.

934
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:26.359
But the Wagner Group is simply as
it's kind of I wouldn't call it a

935
01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:32.600
cover, but it's basically an entree
for those natural resource deals. And of

936
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:41.680
course that takes you to Sedan,
and it takes you into why there has

937
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:46.119
been some written about it, but
not nearly enough as to who's providing the

938
01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:54.239
suddenly providing weapons to this revolutionary group
in Sedan, where they had actually worked

939
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:58.520
up a compromise, it was going
to be a joint government. Everything was

940
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:04.600
relatively stable, and then all of
a sudden, the revolutionary group shows up

941
01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:14.079
with new weaponry and launches this new
initiative. Takes everybody by surprise, and

942
01:22:14.680 --> 01:22:18.760
we find ourselves in the situation which
you know, on the surface, seems

943
01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:25.760
to explode it overnight, right,
and nobody has asked the question of how

944
01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:30.239
and why they happened. I haven't
seen a single news article that really explores

945
01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:39.920
the how and why it happened with
no particular warning. I guess you would

946
01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:45.000
say it just like you know,
somebody through a switch, right, Well,

947
01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:47.600
unlike what's happening in Israel right now, where you know what the build

948
01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:50.760
up was and you know why there's
been you know, a bit of conflict

949
01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:57.680
in this and that you can see
the evolution of what's happened there right What's

950
01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:00.039
gone on in Africa though, does
seem to have sort of happened overnight and

951
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:06.039
they didn't note it temporarily seemingly in
the international press. But then you know,

952
01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:11.399
just just like the wind that went
right out, you know. So

953
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:14.880
it's an interesting thing. And is
it just I mean, is it just

954
01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:19.880
opportunism from Wegner and some other groups
maybe you know, they're oh, I

955
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:25.840
think that's an excellent word. It
is. It's opportunism, But it's not.

956
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:32.199
It's not opportunism sounds like short term, right. This is more like

957
01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:39.079
it's opportunistic in that they're willing to
play either side of a field in a

958
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:45.560
given geographic area. It's opportunistic and
in that they may not stay there for

959
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:54.279
all that long. But it's it's
more like um combine opportunistic with pillage,

960
01:23:54.880 --> 01:24:00.560
because the whole point has has to
do with the natural resources and setting up

961
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:09.439
the setting up the ability to extract
large quantities of national resources natural resources in

962
01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:15.159
exchange for this service that you're providing. So I just you try to put

963
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:20.800
it in the context of they're not
just in it for the money being made

964
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:26.000
from weapons or security services. That
that sounds like a dealer, right,

965
01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:30.439
you know, what's important to them
is the flip side of the coin,

966
01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:38.760
which is natural resources, which quite
frankly I suspect as the reason. And

967
01:24:38.880 --> 01:24:44.000
there's been not just me, there's
been a lot of suspicion that Putin convinced

968
01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:48.159
Wegner that if he would, you
know, really, you know, come

969
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:51.880
back to Ukraine, get get behind
this thing, we're gonna win in a

970
01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:57.119
matter of days or weeks and guess
who it gets it. Guess who gets

971
01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:00.319
the salt mines, Guess who gets
the titanium? Who where? You know,

972
01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:05.800
you you bring your forces in and
will make sure that you get the

973
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:14.119
natural resources. You know, it's
very much in line with Wagner's philosophy and

974
01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:20.760
I have to say Wagner presents themselves
as a paid for it. Wegner's ski

975
01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:27.079
keiko in life is the ability to
get lots and lots of money, right.

976
01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:30.319
Well, uh and that's the interesting
thing here, as as I noted

977
01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:35.239
with Mike in the first hour,
I think it's it's fascinating that the one

978
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:42.359
thing that seemingly all the different,
you know, uh, well, the

979
01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:45.239
talking heads out there, the analysts, one thing that they all seem to

980
01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:49.399
have an agreement on, uh,
no matter which a side of the propaganda

981
01:25:49.439 --> 01:25:54.640
pool they were swimming at them um, was that this would be a short

982
01:25:54.720 --> 01:26:01.920
lived conflict, right. I think
nobody anticipated the amount of time that that

983
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:06.560
what's going on in Ukraine was going
to take. I mean really, I

984
01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:11.640
didn't even think that there was any
way that a conflict could have lasted this

985
01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:15.960
long as it has, you know. And meanwhile, you have Zelinsky now

986
01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:21.880
going you know, traveling outside of
the country, visiting with other groups,

987
01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:30.359
other countries, other leaders. You
have a longer term commitment here which has

988
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:32.199
had to be had. So,
like you said, Wegner ran out of

989
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:36.680
prisoners because that was going on for
a bit where they were just you know,

990
01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:41.439
we I think you and I talked
about this a bit on the show

991
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:47.079
about how that's how they were filling
their ranks there in Ukraine. But as

992
01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:50.800
time has gone on, I mean, look, there is something called attrition,

993
01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:56.880
and over time, you know,
it's a different it's a different set

994
01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:00.279
of circumstances that you're dealing with when
you have something that goes on and it's

995
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:04.159
protracted as this is. So,
I mean, yeah, go ahead.

996
01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:12.520
I don't think anybody in their right
mind would lay out a game plan that

997
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:20.199
said, Okay, I'm gonna I'm
gonna plan on taking fifty thousand hardcore prisoners

998
01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:26.079
to use as my military force.
Okay, that wasn't even at the Dirty

999
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:29.680
Dozen, right, anybody saw that
movie. No, it's okay, rum

1000
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:38.119
that makes no sense. What does
make sense is wider Widner had had units

1001
01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:44.079
fighting in Ukraine since twenty fourteen.
He had units in Crimea. But we're

1002
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:50.119
talking about hundreds of people, maybe
a few thousand people, highly skilled experience

1003
01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:56.359
the combat vets. These these are
people that you know, know what they're

1004
01:27:56.439 --> 01:28:02.079
doing. They're hardcore, they're in
it for them. And seeing him commit

1005
01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:09.600
that level of support to putin for
you know, an union initiative makes sense.

1006
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:14.319
Then after a week or so,
seeing him go, wait a minute,

1007
01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:18.159
you know, I don't have the
resources to do this. What am

1008
01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:23.520
I going to do? Gives you
the perspective that you know, going to

1009
01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:29.399
the prisons was was never part of
a plan. You know clearly that that

1010
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:34.199
wasn't something that the Wagner Group was
built to do, to to run very

1011
01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:40.920
large scale military operations. They were
built to be mercenaries, kind of like

1012
01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:45.760
you know, the the Blackwater model. People are probably familiar with that.

1013
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:50.399
You know that that's what they were
built to be to feel tens of thousands

1014
01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:57.000
of troops and in you know,
trench warfare, not his model. So

1015
01:28:57.279 --> 01:29:01.279
I cannot believe that any of that
was some part of a you know plan.

1016
01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:04.359
Well, I was straining not to
bring up Blackwater here, but I

1017
01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:09.560
really couldn't avoid it after a bit. Yeah, Blackwater. See that's the

1018
01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:13.399
thing, Uh, this was not
meant to These guys are not meant to

1019
01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:17.079
be in there for the long haul, not in this circumstance um. So

1020
01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:24.039
you know the fact that they still
are regardless of whether they were bringing in

1021
01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:26.600
prisoners or not, they were not
going to be there for the long haul.

1022
01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:30.960
They weren't supposed to have a massive
true presence and generally it's making him

1023
01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:34.359
no money. And let's get back
to that. It's sort of like,

1024
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:39.359
wait a minute, or was my
business plan? My business plan did not

1025
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:43.680
call for two years of exponential lawsuits. That's not what we're here to do.

1026
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:45.399
It's a company. Well yeah,
so so here it is. You

1027
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:49.479
know, patriotism goes just so far. But you know, look, guy,

1028
01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:54.359
you got to supply us better.
And I mean, and that was

1029
01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:58.199
the weird thing because I'm like,
he's asking for ammunition. I mean,

1030
01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:02.319
that seemed to be really straight to
me, because you would think that the

1031
01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:06.560
one thing they'd want to do is
if they have a self contained group out

1032
01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:11.039
there that they don't have to supply
Otherwise, if all you gotta do is

1033
01:30:11.079 --> 01:30:16.600
give ma ammunition and the go ahead, doesn't seem to be a difficult transaction,

1034
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:18.520
right, I mean, it seems
like somebody would say, well,

1035
01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:24.000
let's just make sure these guys are
well supplied since they're doing this work.

1036
01:30:25.039 --> 01:30:27.439
You know, I don't know,
I'm trying to think of it from that

1037
01:30:27.560 --> 01:30:30.119
angle. Meanwhile, you know,
we skipped over something because you talked about

1038
01:30:30.119 --> 01:30:34.600
the symbolism of this attack and we
didn't really break that all the way down,

1039
01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:39.399
I don't think because you did mention. I don't know if it was

1040
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:46.199
on air affair, but the date
itself when this occurred, maybe you should

1041
01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:53.159
lay that out for people and explain
that the dates are very important. Russia

1042
01:30:53.279 --> 01:31:00.079
celebrates Victory Day. I mean May
Day is historically, you know, for

1043
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:05.720
the Communist Party, which you know, putting is very Soviet oriented, if

1044
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:13.800
not Communists, but May Day and
May Day celebrations, World War two victory

1045
01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:18.520
celebrations. They have a whole series
of celebrations that are that are planned around

1046
01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:24.079
this part of May, and that
they're not just in Moscow, they're out

1047
01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:30.760
in the various republics, the regions
all have their own celebrations. And one

1048
01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:35.640
of the things that started to become
apparent over the last month or so is

1049
01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:45.600
some concern that now now that um
the true cost and manpower is becoming visible

1050
01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.840
at a regional, regional level,
you know, there was there's a couple

1051
01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:55.520
of concerns. First of all,
they're not the large military units that were

1052
01:31:55.600 --> 01:32:00.600
available before now to put into parades
and shows of force, you know,

1053
01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:05.279
roll out all the new tanks,
roll out all the air defense systems,

1054
01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:10.720
sorry, they're in Ukraine or they're
gone. Yeah. I was gonna say,

1055
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:15.960
with the quote mobilization end quote,
right that's going on, I think

1056
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:18.800
that probably doesn't leave a lot of
guys behind to be able to run around

1057
01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:24.319
in the parades because they and there
was some talk about that too, which

1058
01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:28.960
was shut down pretty quickly because again, if there was an opposition leader or

1059
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:33.840
an opposition point to be made by
this symbolic attack, which again it couldn't

1060
01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:39.239
be any anything serious because there was
not enough of an explosive device to do

1061
01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:45.399
any serious damage. It clearly was
not something that was an efficient vehicle to

1062
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:48.960
say go after somebody personally. To
me, it didn't look like because even

1063
01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:53.319
if there's somebody was standing on the
street, the explosive device didn't look like

1064
01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:57.399
you know. I mean, obviously
I understand it probably could have done some

1065
01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:00.079
damage, but I mean unless you
have somebody out, you know, on

1066
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:05.239
the street, okay and literally like, you know, crash this thing into

1067
01:33:05.359 --> 01:33:09.720
him, I don't think you're gonna
do serious damage to even an individual.

1068
01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:13.720
You know, Could you successfully have
blown up a car with this little pop

1069
01:33:13.800 --> 01:33:15.680
that we saw, I don't even
think so, Yeah, go ahead,

1070
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:20.239
what did you do? And the
fact that supposedly Rush had been talking for

1071
01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:24.760
a week or so about you know, a handful of drones that had been

1072
01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:30.079
collected in different places inside Russia.
It gave them the excuse to declare a

1073
01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:39.800
security emergency, right and essentially cancel
almost all of the celebrations because it's too

1074
01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:42.600
dangerous. I haven't even thought of
that. Yeah, because now you can't

1075
01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:45.920
put puttin out on a viewing stand. Say you know why you prayed the

1076
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:49.359
weapons by which you said, again, we're probably all being deployed elsewhere anyway.

1077
01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:55.399
But you know, the old the
thing that we used to see,

1078
01:33:55.479 --> 01:33:58.159
you know, when the Soviets,
I mean because he's not a Soviet,

1079
01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:01.159
but but they have to tip their
hat to the Soviet Union in that time

1080
01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:05.000
period for sure. Um, that
kind of thing where you know, you

1081
01:34:05.079 --> 01:34:09.640
got the leaders on a on a
viewing stand, right and elevated viewing stand

1082
01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:13.199
out in public, everybody can see
them, uh you know and all that,

1083
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:15.439
and they can watch the parade go
by. Well, yeah, there's

1084
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:17.960
a good justification now to say,
hey, look we can't do that.

1085
01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:23.199
Although it's a little close, because
you would have thought they would have stayed

1086
01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:25.960
if it was staged. They would
have staged it a little earlier, so

1087
01:34:26.079 --> 01:34:30.319
that it's a week before or something, right, Um, but I want

1088
01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:32.520
to cancel it, really, I
know you kind of want to cancel it

1089
01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:36.479
the last minute because Okay, you're
walking a tight you're walking a tight rope.

1090
01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:41.279
Okay, What's what I'm going to
do is I'm going to admit what

1091
01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:50.119
was supposedly the nation with the best
strongest air defense in Europe can't, you

1092
01:34:50.239 --> 01:34:56.000
know, can't protect itself. So
I don't I'm not excited to say that.

1093
01:34:56.279 --> 01:35:00.319
That's that's not a good thing to
say. Um, So you you

1094
01:35:01.000 --> 01:35:04.439
don't want to get that out early
as it were, I would say that

1095
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:09.479
you want a time at you know, certainly no more than a week or

1096
01:35:09.560 --> 01:35:14.239
so. And they started quote unquote
discovering those drones about a week week and

1097
01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:19.079
a half ago. So there's that. But there's one other area of symbolism

1098
01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:24.399
that I found interesting and I would
not have thought of this, but apparently,

1099
01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:30.319
as part of this hero celebration,
it's very common to allow families to

1100
01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:34.880
join the parades with posters of their
relatives who have been killed in battle.

1101
01:35:35.159 --> 01:35:41.880
Okay, and I guess there was
a concern that there literally might be thousands

1102
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.520
of people showing up that couldn't be
rejected. It's kind of like, well,

1103
01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:49.039
my boy died, you know,
in combat. I can't tell you,

1104
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:54.039
no, you can't. But suddenly, if this, if this parade,

1105
01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:58.920
which is going to be limited because
of available resources, has attached to

1106
01:35:59.079 --> 01:36:03.640
it, you know, two thousand
people marching behind it with pictures of dead

1107
01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:10.720
and wounded, it's not a good
look. Well, and there there's an

1108
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:15.439
interesting thing because I haven't seen a
great deal of detailed reports about what the

1109
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:19.960
losses are, right, I mean, a few months back we were seeing

1110
01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:27.720
declarations from Russia and from Ukraine about
the level of losses. But have you

1111
01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:31.520
noted that as of late, we're
not seeing counts of what the casualties are

1112
01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:35.159
in these different operations. Right,
They're not saying, oh, well we

1113
01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:40.279
know that this many were killed or
that many were killed. I'm not seeing

1114
01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:43.600
that as often. Are you seeing
it somewhere? Maybe I'm missing it?

1115
01:36:44.560 --> 01:36:50.279
Well, I think it's everybody is
concerned because you know, you who's going

1116
01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:57.159
to make that assessment. But there
there have been there are some independent groups

1117
01:36:57.279 --> 01:37:04.359
that monitor from videos and destruction of
equipment and so on and so forth that

1118
01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:13.720
the number again, even though it's
probably it's primarily in bach Mutt, Okay,

1119
01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:16.960
where the big losses are. So
let's just count. Let's say that

1120
01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:24.560
sent the losses are in bog Mutt
to the Wagner troops, even based on

1121
01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:30.640
what he himself says, he's lost
thirty or forty thousand people in the last

1122
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:36.560
five months, okay, and the
combat estimates that the Pentagon is giving is

1123
01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:47.000
total killed and wounded since December is
upwards of one hundred thousand. Now that's

1124
01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:54.000
immense. That's that's something on the
almost like the you know, the previous

1125
01:37:54.279 --> 01:38:00.800
nine months. So we obviously Ukraine
is taking heavy laws as well. But

1126
01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:06.800
the Russians, there is no doubt
that they have that they would have taken

1127
01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:14.800
losses substantial enough. So now it's
been felt all over Russia. It just

1128
01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:21.319
the two places it's felt less than
anywhere else are in Moscow and Saint Petersburg

1129
01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:29.680
because that's where they intentionally recruited fewer
people because those are like the national hubs.

1130
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:34.319
And you know, if you can, if you can pull in most

1131
01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:39.920
of your troops from out in the
boondocks, that losses are less obvious.

1132
01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:46.399
So to answer your question that there
is no doubt that the losses, especially

1133
01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:51.239
because of the meat grinder and mack
Mutt and the last four four or five

1134
01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:57.399
months, have been significant. No, they've been significant, but the reporting

1135
01:38:57.479 --> 01:39:00.199
on them does not seem to be
so intense at this point according to what

1136
01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:03.039
I can follow. I mean,
I'm just not seeing a lot of declarations

1137
01:39:03.159 --> 01:39:08.279
here that there are heavy losses.
I don't see the Ukrainians even pushing out

1138
01:39:08.439 --> 01:39:13.279
numbers like we're really giving them heavy
losses lately unless I'm missing it. Am

1139
01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:15.640
I missing it? No? No, they kind of do a week by

1140
01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:19.560
week, but they don't they don't
politicize it. If you will, I

1141
01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:26.880
mean they're they will. Every week
they issue a table of estimated you know,

1142
01:39:27.079 --> 01:39:30.560
tanks destroyed, aircraft destroyed, killed, and we did in action.

1143
01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:34.159
But it's now become just kind of
routine, and it doesn't get unless you

1144
01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:40.119
happen to be on you know,
certain military blogs or sites. You don't

1145
01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:45.479
see it in general media coverage.
But these days there's so much that's missing

1146
01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:50.239
out of general media coverage. It's
amazing, as you said, it's you

1147
01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:57.359
know, I look at the front
page of CNN and it's politics and entertainment

1148
01:39:57.720 --> 01:40:02.600
and shootings and then I have to
really even look for, you know,

1149
01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:08.520
other news from around the world,
strategic type of news like the Philippines,

1150
01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:12.279
which I've mentioned to you, right
And look, we'll get there before we're

1151
01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:15.840
done, because I mean, yeah, the front page of CNN or whatever

1152
01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:18.039
is Jamie Fox saying, you know, look I had a problem here,

1153
01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:21.800
Thanks for all your prayers. Yeah, I mean literally, that's like the

1154
01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:27.399
front page I think right now,
and that's where we're at is entertainment,

1155
01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:30.720
news and politics and oh, get
ready for twenty twenty four. Here we

1156
01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:35.279
go, Biden declared, you know, And that's it. So the conflict,

1157
01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:42.840
you know, continues to drudge on
right as at its pace, and

1158
01:40:43.479 --> 01:40:46.520
there could be more intense casualties that
have occurred recently, but you wouldn't know

1159
01:40:46.600 --> 01:40:50.279
it necessarily from the banner headlines,
is all I'm trying to get at.

1160
01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:56.680
But okay, so what is happening
with the Philippines, because that is another

1161
01:40:56.840 --> 01:41:00.359
part of this thing. I mean, look, all these things are part

1162
01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:05.319
of the landscape right now, okay, And we also see that there there

1163
01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:10.520
has been an absence of the uh
you know, get nervous about China coverage

1164
01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:14.720
too lately. Um that seems to
have been taken down a bit, even

1165
01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:17.760
on the neo kon side of things. Uh, they they've turned you know,

1166
01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:21.720
turned down the volume on that a
bit um. But but here we

1167
01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:27.199
are, we're still in the midst
of a great deal of well, a

1168
01:41:27.279 --> 01:41:30.840
great deal of hotspots that could get
out of control quickly in various regions,

1169
01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:34.279
it looks like to me. But
anyway, what is happening with the Philippines

1170
01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:38.920
which you did mention off air and
we didn't get to here yet. Yeah,

1171
01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:43.680
I think it's background. One of
the things that's going on for the

1172
01:41:43.800 --> 01:41:46.920
last three or four years, actually
a little bit longer, is you know,

1173
01:41:47.079 --> 01:41:53.279
there's there's no doubt that China,
China was for a period of time,

1174
01:41:54.119 --> 01:42:00.399
quite frankly, as Russia did earlier, adopted a very a model for

1175
01:42:01.680 --> 01:42:10.039
not for diplomacy based on economics,
which was weirdly displayed when apparently there was

1176
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:15.359
a phone call between what Jijan Ping
and and Zolensky recently right where there seemed

1177
01:42:15.359 --> 01:42:18.840
to be some encouragement, some sort
of you know, discussion. There's some

1178
01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:26.840
diplomacy on behalf if you will,
of the well, the alliances there that

1179
01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:30.560
are between them and Russia and now
making contact with Zolensky. I found that

1180
01:42:30.680 --> 01:42:34.319
to be an odd thing in the
equation too, But go ahead and well,

1181
01:42:34.359 --> 01:42:39.279
and the fact that this week,
for the first time, China actually

1182
01:42:39.479 --> 01:42:49.560
voted for a really severe resolution against
Russia, essentially a resolution that described their

1183
01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:58.760
attack on Ukraine as a you know, illegal, It called for prosecution for

1184
01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:03.199
war crimes. And it was the
first time that China's actually voted for a

1185
01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:09.159
resolution against Russia. That was significant, and that followed the call that you

1186
01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:15.079
discussed. But the longer term is
the sad thing is you know, you

1187
01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:17.239
and I both discussed it. There
was a period of time in the early

1188
01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:25.520
nineties where Russia was pursuing economic diplomacy
in Europe based around oil and gas and

1189
01:43:25.720 --> 01:43:31.279
being very successful with Italy and France
and Germany, and then Putin decided to

1190
01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:36.600
go in another direction, a much
more military warrior. Oriined direction well China,

1191
01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:44.920
and we see what happened him.
China was doing the same thing during

1192
01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:51.439
the early part of the last decade
with their new Silk Road initiative linking China

1193
01:43:51.640 --> 01:43:59.800
through Southeast Asia into Africa, economic
development to a lot of African nations and

1194
01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:04.760
very successful in the Pacific not just
you know, into Africa, but they

1195
01:44:04.840 --> 01:44:12.359
had turned thurntangs around in the Philippines
to the extent that the Philippines had canceled

1196
01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:18.399
all of the US based contracts.
The US military was really no longer welcome

1197
01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:24.960
in the Philippines. You know,
there are a lot of economic ties being

1198
01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:30.680
created with China. And then China
adopted this new new strategy called essentially the

1199
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:36.760
Way of the Wolf Warrior, which
was you make everybody go where you want

1200
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:43.920
them to go by showing that you're
so superior that it's you know, it's

1201
01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:46.640
not a cooperative effort. They take
orders, you know, it's sort of

1202
01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:54.479
like if you don't take orders.
And they begin really with several shows of

1203
01:44:54.640 --> 01:45:04.359
force against Philippines fishing boats and basically
fishing and territorial interest out in adjacent waters.

1204
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:10.640
And that really upset the film.
I mean China. When China does

1205
01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:14.439
that sort of thing, they are
brutal. I mean they literally take no

1206
01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:19.159
prisoners, They sink boats, they
use their own fishing fleet in a military

1207
01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:26.960
fashion. And the Philippines has gotten
tired of that and during the past couple

1208
01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:32.479
of months have signed a series of
new agreements with the United States to allow

1209
01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:39.479
the United States to re enter bases
and to actually set up new bases in

1210
01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:45.920
the Northern Philippines, a security pact
for the US to come to their assistance,

1211
01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:50.520
for example, if their territorial waters
are violated, and you know,

1212
01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:57.159
with a visit to the US a
very high level things have turned around like

1213
01:45:57.399 --> 01:46:03.520
one hundred and eighty degrees away from
China towards the US because essentially the same

1214
01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:12.880
thing's happening in Australia and other nations
in the Pacific just because the Chinese approach

1215
01:46:12.960 --> 01:46:21.079
to bullying people didn't sit well.
And the strange thing is hopefully China won't

1216
01:46:21.760 --> 01:46:27.840
slide the wrong direction. But you
know, well, yeah, clearly they

1217
01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:30.720
don't have a homogeneous agenda though,
Larry, because I mean, if you

1218
01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:35.560
take a look at how they basically
enabled in Vietnam to become a you know,

1219
01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:41.560
a much stronger partner in the Asian
business community and things like that.

1220
01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:46.800
They've definitely made their their allegiances clear
with people that are cooperating with them.

1221
01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:53.159
They help them economically and militarily,
right, But if you don't take orders,

1222
01:46:53.199 --> 01:46:58.720
as you said, well then it
becomes rough and some people are chafing

1223
01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:02.800
against that. Some of the other
nation states are chafing against that while others

1224
01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:08.000
have you know, taken to the
partnership. Right, So you don't have

1225
01:47:08.159 --> 01:47:13.279
a singular sort of reaction to them
in the region. I'm saying that there's

1226
01:47:13.319 --> 01:47:20.279
just various there. There's a spectrum
of reactions and interactions there in the entire

1227
01:47:20.359 --> 01:47:26.319
region. So you have you have
different results coming out. And the thing

1228
01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:29.159
with the Philippines is, well,
that's not working out too good for the

1229
01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:34.000
Philippines because they're not taking orders.
So maybe they're rethinking their relationship with the

1230
01:47:34.119 --> 01:47:39.800
US now right, Well, and
we're seeing a transition period. There's a

1231
01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:48.520
spectrum. They had this one strategy
of economic fraternity, codependence, so on

1232
01:47:48.640 --> 01:47:53.720
and so forth, and as you
say, that still works in some places

1233
01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:59.199
with certain segments of the population,
right, However, they overlaid this.

1234
01:48:00.279 --> 01:48:06.560
It works when they're they're not in
competition right at the moment. The places

1235
01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:13.840
that they're really in competition are at
sea, basically related to fishing resources,

1236
01:48:14.439 --> 01:48:19.439
oil and gas resources. So even
though Vietnam's fishing fleet has been under some

1237
01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:27.319
pressure, uh, it's it's probably
not as significant to them. But so,

1238
01:48:28.039 --> 01:48:31.600
like I said, during any transition
period, you've got two two approaches.

1239
01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:35.600
You know, where the economic was
working and is still working great,

1240
01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:43.319
where it's not working and the force
is definitely not working, not so great,

1241
01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:46.520
I will say, you know,
in terms of Vietnam, um,

1242
01:48:47.279 --> 01:48:51.319
it's a it's a mixed bag.
Because the US now has port access in

1243
01:48:51.479 --> 01:49:00.199
Vietnam. We've made friendship visits with
our navy ships into Vietnam. Uh.

1244
01:49:00.439 --> 01:49:08.760
There's certainly no military alliance there,
but it's certainly not um that the Vietnamese

1245
01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:14.680
there, there's the Chinese of pressured. It's fishing fleet, They've sent boats,

1246
01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:18.520
They've taken over oil platforms. So
it's you know, it's kind of

1247
01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:24.920
what's happening this week? You know, is it is it pleasure or pain?

1248
01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:29.119
Am I making money with them?
Or am I taking grief from them?

1249
01:49:29.239 --> 01:49:34.239
You know, what's what what's going
on this week? Well, and

1250
01:49:34.359 --> 01:49:39.920
it's not again, it's just not
the the simple constant answer any longer.

1251
01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:43.640
It does seem to be fluctuating a
bit. But that's why I found it

1252
01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:45.640
really strange that there was that,
you know, that action like you were

1253
01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:51.880
to describing regarding their change in orientation
with the boat against Russia and UH,

1254
01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:56.680
and and also just the phone call
as the Lensky in general. Uh,

1255
01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.840
the idea that they were attempting to, you know, look into that dip

1256
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:05.199
amatically when it's a quagmire that clearly
the Russians are well committed to. I

1257
01:50:05.279 --> 01:50:10.319
mean, I don't I don't foresee
them just turning around and going home tomorrow.

1258
01:50:11.279 --> 01:50:14.680
Uh you know what I mean.
So what was going to be accomplished

1259
01:50:14.720 --> 01:50:19.600
there if if they are still the
strongest ally to the Russian Federation, right,

1260
01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:25.159
because it wasn't that long ago there
was the big show of uh you

1261
01:50:25.279 --> 01:50:29.079
know, the the leadership meeting with
Putin there, you know, with with

1262
01:50:29.279 --> 01:50:32.600
China, right, So I'm just
saying it's it's it's a very interesting thing.

1263
01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:40.119
That is. Um, the current
data on US oil exports. US

1264
01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:45.600
oil exports are going through the roof, and part of that is because China

1265
01:50:45.800 --> 01:50:50.720
is buying a considerable amount of US
oil, which is interesting because of course

1266
01:50:51.439 --> 01:50:57.039
they can get all the Russian oil
they want at depressed prices, right,

1267
01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:01.560
so why would they even It's like
wait a minute, yeah, it looks

1268
01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:05.720
like there being a little bit more
even handed, if you will, um,

1269
01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:14.159
maybe not just literally you know,
being pulled into the Russian vacuum.

1270
01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:17.760
You know it. It does look
like that that has changed a bit.

1271
01:51:18.079 --> 01:51:23.359
There's stand storage. Taiwan may not
have changed, but there's stands storage.

1272
01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:27.479
Russia certainly looks like it's changed a
bit over the last couple of months,

1273
01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:31.720
and if if the Ukrainian counter offensive
kicks in with any success, I think

1274
01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:35.479
it will change even more. Well. See, there you have it.

1275
01:51:35.800 --> 01:51:40.880
It's it's it's in flux, is
what I see, and a bit confusing,

1276
01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:45.119
honestly. I mean, I don't
know. Maybe there is some greater

1277
01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:48.319
strategy at play here that I don't
understand, but I gotta be honest with

1278
01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:53.439
you. I see a lot of
inconsistency here, and you would think that

1279
01:51:53.840 --> 01:52:00.920
a unified kind of totalitarian regime I
usually don't see a lot have been consistency

1280
01:52:00.960 --> 01:52:03.439
in their action. You know,
it's very well coordinated. Usually, uh,

1281
01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:08.800
it's very well considered and coordinated.
Right, Even the smallest nations,

1282
01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:14.920
they're generally pretty consistent about their behaviors. But China's behavior is not consistent at

1283
01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:17.720
this point, um, at least
to me. Again, maybe I don't

1284
01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:23.199
understand something here, but I think
you have different facts. It's not as

1285
01:52:23.800 --> 01:52:29.239
monolithic, but all of us,
myself included you know, like to think

1286
01:52:29.319 --> 01:52:33.279
things are monolithic, you know,
because okay, it's they have a policy,

1287
01:52:33.600 --> 01:52:38.960
but um, I don't think it's
quite that way. That might be

1288
01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:43.800
true for North Korea, but even
China is you know, there are there

1289
01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:48.399
are different interests, their economic interests, their military interests, and they joust

1290
01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:55.279
with each other even they would they
would like to have a monolithic appearance.

1291
01:52:55.359 --> 01:52:59.319
But you know that's the way of
the world is not quite that simple.

1292
01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:01.800
There you have it. Well,
look, Larry, I know we're probably

1293
01:53:01.880 --> 01:53:04.720
gonna get together again in a couple
of weeks. Uh what do we have

1294
01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:06.960
to look forward to from you in
a couple of weeks? I mean,

1295
01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:11.640
I also want to find out what
your final takeaway is on tonight's discussion.

1296
01:53:12.199 --> 01:53:14.720
But before we go there, what
what do you what do you think we'll

1297
01:53:14.720 --> 01:53:16.439
be looking at in a couple of
weeks or are we just gonna wait to

1298
01:53:16.479 --> 01:53:20.119
see what the new cycle presents us
next? Because I gotta tell you,

1299
01:53:20.199 --> 01:53:24.359
if you had asked me to predict
a couple of weeks ago, whether we'd

1300
01:53:24.359 --> 01:53:28.520
be talking about a drone strike on
the Kremlin, uh or you know,

1301
01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:34.039
alleged assassination attempt, I would have
I would have not believed you, um,

1302
01:53:34.319 --> 01:53:38.239
but but here we are. Are
we gonna wait to see what the

1303
01:53:38.279 --> 01:53:41.039
new cycle presents or do you have
something in mind maybe in a couple of

1304
01:53:41.079 --> 01:53:45.239
weeks to come back on with no. I think I think you're right.

1305
01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:50.039
I think you use state of flux. I mean that's what we were in

1306
01:53:50.720 --> 01:53:55.840
Uh. If you really want to
talk about contemporary events, I don't think.

1307
01:53:56.600 --> 01:54:00.239
I don't see how anyone can consect. I can guess at the moment.

1308
01:54:00.359 --> 01:54:03.560
I think maybe it's kind of like
what we did earlier. It's sort

1309
01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:09.560
of like, Okay, let's look
at what the headlines are two weeks from

1310
01:54:09.640 --> 01:54:15.000
now and see if we can drawn
into insanity out of it, because quite

1311
01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:18.399
frankly, that's not being done.
As you and I have discussed. People

1312
01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:25.159
are just reporting news and it's so
fluid and changing so fast you don't even

1313
01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:29.760
have time. Nobody has time for
analysis. They report the news for forty

1314
01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:33.000
eight hours and it's on another subject, and you kind of go, what

1315
01:54:33.159 --> 01:54:38.479
did the world happen to that?
Did anybody ever figure out? I tell

1316
01:54:38.520 --> 01:54:43.520
you what we're probably going to be. My prediction is that Denmark and Finland

1317
01:54:43.840 --> 01:54:48.640
are going to provide positive evidence that
not only did Russia blow up Nordstream,

1318
01:54:49.239 --> 01:54:57.600
but Russia is as either beginning to
or demonstrating that it can start taking out

1319
01:54:58.119 --> 01:55:05.960
their to see cable infrastructure for communications
and a lot of other things. I

1320
01:55:06.079 --> 01:55:10.880
think that's gonna be a hot button. Just a prediction, So that don't

1321
01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:14.760
gonna be two weeks, but that's
gonna that's gonna happen. Well, I'll

1322
01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:18.760
tell you what, especially now that
Finland has actually reaching accord with us to

1323
01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:24.359
put basses just just like the Philippines. We're talking about the Philippines, they've

1324
01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:28.800
reached the ford where we can put
basses in the northern Philippines. Again,

1325
01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:32.720
the same with Finland. When you
have that sort of thing occurring, just

1326
01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:36.000
kind of kind of roll with it. I got you. Well, I'll

1327
01:55:36.039 --> 01:55:41.039
tell you what I think. Even
if Finland does present a definitive evidence that

1328
01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:45.199
Russia is responsible for the issue with
nord Stream, you know what's going to

1329
01:55:45.279 --> 01:55:46.800
happen is a whole lot of people
are going to deny it's real anyway,

1330
01:55:47.159 --> 01:55:54.159
They're going to claim that it's fiction. I mean, that's shocked and amazed.

1331
01:55:54.319 --> 01:55:58.960
I'll be shocked and amazed if if
because look immediately as soon as somebody

1332
01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:01.399
even suggested that maybe, you know, maybe this was a nope, Nope,

1333
01:56:01.680 --> 01:56:04.960
that's absolutely crazy. You're just you
know, an anti Russian blah blah.

1334
01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:09.960
And I'm like, you know,
you're not thinking about this strategically.

1335
01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:14.319
And again, even with this ridiculousness
over this, you know, assassination attempt,

1336
01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:16.520
I mean, I don't know how
not to mock that. It's just

1337
01:56:16.840 --> 01:56:23.600
it's stupid. If that was an
assassination attempt, I mean, I don't

1338
01:56:23.600 --> 01:56:29.640
know, maybe if a teenager was
demonstrated themselves to be that unskilled. My

1339
01:56:29.720 --> 01:56:33.279
assassment is that they've shown themselves to
be pretty competent, and I think pretty

1340
01:56:33.359 --> 01:56:38.279
competent is not taking out the flag
on top of the Kremlin. Well,

1341
01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:42.520
that's the thing is, if this
was a serious attempt, I'm thinking they

1342
01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:45.920
would have done a lot more damage, you know, I mean just maybe

1343
01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:49.000
it's just me, but why why
would they not have waited for the parade?

1344
01:56:49.880 --> 01:56:55.079
If I'm really going to do this
and roll the dice, okay for

1345
01:56:55.159 --> 01:56:59.119
Russia using nukes against me? Right, I'm going to take out their command

1346
01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:04.640
structure by a heavily armed drone.
We're saying they're targeting is good enough.

1347
01:57:04.720 --> 01:57:10.439
They can fly a drone eight hundred
miles across Russia and hit a flagpole.

1348
01:57:11.119 --> 01:57:15.560
Why not wait until the next day
and hit the grandstand, right, I

1349
01:57:15.640 --> 01:57:17.960
mean, that would be a lot
more effective. And again, you got

1350
01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:21.760
somebody who's not protected by a building. You got somebody who's out in the

1351
01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:27.000
open. I mean, and at
the very least, you could register a

1352
01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:30.119
very serious point if they were able
to. I mean, it wouldn't necessarily

1353
01:57:30.199 --> 01:57:33.039
stop what's going on, but it
would register a very serious point. It

1354
01:57:33.079 --> 01:57:39.479
would make a point to the entire
world community. If you were able to

1355
01:57:39.600 --> 01:57:42.720
even get close after point, you'd
have to be best for to do it.

1356
01:57:42.920 --> 01:57:45.680
I mean, you'd have to be
making a bet that a decapitation strike

1357
01:57:47.039 --> 01:57:51.399
would lead to civil war. I
mean, you'd have to be under extreme

1358
01:57:51.520 --> 01:57:55.960
pressure to do that. Now,
I can see a point in time if

1359
01:57:56.479 --> 01:58:00.800
Russia were just about to roll over
Kiev and occupy all of Ukraine. O.

1360
01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:04.039
Hey, that's a desperation move,
right all it's the other way around,

1361
01:58:05.439 --> 01:58:09.720
Ukraine is about to roll east.
Why would you do that? Makes

1362
01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:14.239
no sense. Look, just because
it makes no sense doesn't mean that that's

1363
01:58:14.319 --> 01:58:17.640
not what people are gonna think is
happening. Okay, Like I said,

1364
01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:21.359
you know, even if with definitive
evidence, I think a lot of people

1365
01:58:21.399 --> 01:58:26.640
are gonna say, Nope, that's
fiction anyway. That's the other problem is,

1366
01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:30.119
even even if you do present him
with something that has a great deal

1367
01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:34.239
of contextual analysis, it doesn't necessarily
mean the listener, the viewer, the

1368
01:58:34.359 --> 01:58:39.199
reader is going to believe it anyway. But one thing you can believe is

1369
01:58:39.239 --> 01:58:43.319
the work of Larry Hancock. Again. Go to Larry dash Hancock dot com.

1370
01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:45.479
Check out his work there, and
perhaps we'll hear from in a couple

1371
01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:51.600
of weeks when something else crazy goes
on in the news speed I guess we'll

1372
01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:56.319
find out then, Larry, thanks
for doing this with me. It's been

1373
01:58:56.359 --> 01:59:00.279
great to be bad Jack, and
thank you guys listening. Sorry again about

1374
01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:03.600
my voice tonight, still a little
strained, but that's okay. No matter

1375
01:59:03.680 --> 01:59:06.640
who you are, where you are, when you are, remember I'm merely

1376
01:59:06.680 --> 01:59:11.439
o'celly, and all of you are
indeed the effect seeing tomorrow night for the

1377
01:59:11.560 --> 01:59:15.920
live call in show, and I
hope you're well until then. Take it