WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:06.679 In people's training, how much time do people actually pay attention to improve in 2 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:10.720 their pace When they're working on the footing, You'll see a lot of time, 3 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:14.000 a lot of attention trying to get the stroke right. But spend a 4 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:20.280 little bit more time engaging and giving your brain task to improve paste control. 5 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:24.600 Go onto the putting green with four balls and see if you can complete this 6 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:28.679 task from ten fifteen twenty feet with the first balls, if you can roll 7 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:31.519 it just past the whole. With the second balls, if you can leave 8 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:34.000 it to the right of the whole, third ball, leave it to the 9 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:36.560 left of the hole, and the fourth ball leave it short of the whole. 10 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:42.200 You're engaging the brain to actually increase feel this elusive thing called field. 11 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:45.359 You're training it in a way by not just trying to get it right all 12 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:49.479 the time, but moving either side of correct. It's a wonderful, wonderful 13 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:56.439 exercise. This is a parasute from Rockport, Texas a play Rapport country club, 14 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:03.200 and this is episode nine h six of Smarter Golf's a game to be 15 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:08.680 enjoyed not in toured who have both Gary Nichol and Carl Morris. This is 16 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:15.439 Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips, and insights from great golf minds to 17 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.079 help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, 18 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:26.040 Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Gary. Great to 19 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.159 see you again, Fed Thanks for having us back on. You know, 20 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.719 yes it has. And what's interesting is you said us, because I've never 21 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:37.519 had the two of you on together. You guys have been partners in crime 22 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.799 in the golf world for a long time, but I've had you on separately. 23 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:44.359 So I'm very excited to get you both on together. And so I 24 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.159 also want to say, welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Carl. 25 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.040 It's good to be It's good to be back. Fred. I'm excited about 26 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:57.159 this year. You're looking better than ever. No, thank you. Podcasting. 27 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.319 Trying to keep my face off of it. Just try to be a 28 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:07.359 podcaster, you know, the phase for radio type of thing. Feeling good 29 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:12.800 though, because I'm learning a lot and I just am amazed after I mean, 30 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.639 this is the eighteenth year of my podcast, and what amazes me is 31 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:20.199 these things that will get repeated over and over and I hear them again and 32 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:23.240 again. But as I get deeper and deeper into this, the nuances of 33 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:29.960 what is being said just kind of just steps out and becomes more apparent, 34 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:34.080 and it's like, oh, that's what you meant this whole time. But 35 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:39.520 I'm excited because I'm on this quest to try to lower the amount of puts 36 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:46.240 per round that I'm having. I'd love to be in the sub thirty range. 37 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:47.639 We'd all love to be in the sub thirty range. But if I 38 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:53.039 can be thirty to thirty two per round, thirty to thirty three, I 39 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:55.879 can. I feel very good about my score. It's the thirty four and 40 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:00.520 up that still rears its ugly head that I've got to get rid of. 41 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:05.520 So yeah, it's what I want to get you guys here, it's important. 42 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.919 Um, Carl, you've got uh, well, are you both doing 43 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:15.960 podcasts? Are you're doing the podcast together? Carl's this your show? Just 44 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:19.240 a guest. I think when Carl stop pree guests, you asked me, 45 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:23.960 Yeah, Gary, Gary's Gary's my goal to you, mom when everybody else 46 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:28.039 turns me down. So it happened. He's been on a good a good 47 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.599 few times. But I'm I'm well behind you. Fred. I think I 48 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:35.360 think I've done about three hundred episodes something like that book. Well, well, 49 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:38.800 well behind the number that you've you've managed to get to. But you 50 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:42.199 know, it's it's a it's a federal commitment every single week, isn't it. 51 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.199 It's it's you gotta you gotta hang in there and stay with it, 52 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:50.360 you really do. It's it is a commitment. But um, because I 53 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:54.080 approach this as a student and wanting to learn as much as I can, 54 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:58.120 it's a lot easier for me than well, you know. I mean, 55 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.240 if I was a PGA professional, then I can have these colleagues that I 56 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:03.319 can call in and probably get bigger names. But I love the names that 57 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:11.000 I'm getting, so I think I've created some credibility here. I'm very curious, 58 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:16.560 though, how did you guys get together to be working partners on putting 59 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:21.800 and in golf? Who wants to take that one? Yeah, I'll take 60 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:27.360 that one and Gary can follow see if the stories are somewhat similar. No, 61 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.959 I mean we knew we knew each other because we've both been out working 62 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:35.000 on the European Tour and PGA tours for it for a long time. Gary 63 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.360 gary alonger than me, and he'd been out there week in, week out, 64 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:41.800 and I used to sort of just coming coming in out a few a 65 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.480 few times a year, so we've known each other from that work working with 66 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:49.439 tour players. But it was actually a guy called Mike Malone, who's one 67 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:54.360 of the top men in track Man trap Man systems over in the UK, 68 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:59.600 who actually got us together. We had we had a conversation and we decided 69 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:04.439 to do a seminar together up at Archerfield with Gary's base, which is one 70 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:10.160 of the most beautiful places on anybody anybody listening. If you if you somewhere 71 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.680 to put on your boocket list, it should it should be archer Field. 72 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.480 Anyway, we got together and we did a seminar up there, and then 73 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:21.519 we started talking about putting, and we did put a few putting clinics and 74 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:26.399 I think we just have a having a conversation one night Gary and we're other 75 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.040 maybe a couple of pints in the in the gull And Clubhouse and said there 76 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.879 must be there must be a book in this and we and we kind of 77 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.879 thought, well, we'll put a book together, just really to organize our 78 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:41.920 own idea as much as anything else. And we came up with these six 79 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:46.920 principles. Wrote wrote the book fairly quickly, and we enjoyed that process. 80 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:53.680 It gave us something to do one winter published it. We published it five 81 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.920 years ago now at the Scottish Open. Paul Laurie was kind enough, the 82 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:00.519 British Open Champion was kind enough to do a forward for us, and we 83 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.680 launched it at the Scottish Open. And yeah, and that led to led 84 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:08.399 to two more in the Lost Art series. So yeah, it's it's been 85 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:13.600 a very very interesting journey. That's pretty much my recollection. If it went 86 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:20.240 as well, that's a really okay, well let it go at that. 87 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:25.879 Um, well, I'm so glad you guys found each other. Say again, 88 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:31.360 Garrett, Yeah, it's been good fun. Yeah. Well, so 89 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:38.000 the Last Art of Putting is a book that's been out for a number of 90 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:42.079 years now, but it's now got a new life to it. Carl, 91 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:46.600 you want to explain what's going on? Yeah, we thought a number of 92 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.000 people who've given us really nice feedback from from reading the book, but a 93 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:54.120 number of people said to us it would be it would be really lovely if 94 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:58.360 we could see some some visuals, maybe some drills that we can work on 95 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.639 and some idea is how to practice some of the things from from the Lost 96 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.360 Art and we and we kind of thought it would be it would be really 97 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.759 nice to just put the visual element to it. So that's where we've now 98 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:14.759 got the new program where it's it's an in depth version of the book itself, 99 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:17.279 but I think for a lot of people watching it, it'll kind of 100 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:23.519 come to life the ideas and concepts which for perhaps some people can seem a 101 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:27.439 little bit dry when they just read a book. We've we've hopefully brought them, 102 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.279 brought them alive, and we filmed it at Archer Field, so the 103 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:36.079 location was stunning, and we really feel that it's a contribution for people to 104 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:43.680 explore an area of putting that I think is maybe undervalued these days that there's 105 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.839 so much technology, fred there's so much science, which we were not ludd 106 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:50.480 eyes. We definitely believe that has its part to play. But I think 107 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:56.399 for everybody who can think back to the times that they've gone out on the 108 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:01.680 golf course and they've holed pots and they've putted well, I've never heard anybody 109 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.279 say that I putted really well because I was thinking about a lot of things. 110 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:11.879 I've never I've never putted really well because I was so into into my 111 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.319 mechanics and things like that that usually when people people talk about good putting days, 112 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:22.199 it's usually related to an absence of thought, an increase in feel, 113 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.240 a little bit more artistry and as much as anything. And hopefully Gary would 114 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.920 agree, we actually want to put a little bit of fun back into into 115 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.360 putting because a number of times I'll go to a tour event knowing again and 116 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.399 Gary'll say, what's it like out there? And I sort of shake my 117 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:41.320 head and say, it's still the same old, same old story. And 118 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:46.720 we call it the torture chamber where we see people on the putting people on 119 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:52.639 the putting green Huesday on Wednesday with all sorts of sort of gadgets and gizmos 120 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.919 and things like that, and it looks it looks akin to literally torturing themselves. 121 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:01.600 And you know, and I know people get something from it and some 122 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.200 people improve as a result of it, but for us, it just feels 123 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:11.159 like it in some ways that that scientific element to it is deadening the artistry. 124 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.559 And I think there's just the whole world that you can explore on the 125 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.000 other side of the science, which is the which is the art of putting. 126 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:24.399 Could not agree more. I was at the Stoar shop and week before 127 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:30.320 last and witnessed exactly the same thing that putting greens. You know, you're 128 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:35.759 tripping over strings and gadgets and eyeline mirrors and all sorts of things, and 129 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.399 it does for me, it dumbs down the artistry and the field, you 130 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:45.679 know, and and the fun element. It becomes a chore. You know, 131 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:48.279 play golf should not be a chore at any level, whether you're playing, 132 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.919 you're living, or playing with your friends, and a Saturday or Sunday 133 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:58.399 morning or a Wednesday afternoon, it's a game. It's it's my late father 134 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.480 said this to me many many years ago, and it's obviously stuck with me 135 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.960 because I'm still talking about it decades later. Golf a game to be enjoyed, 136 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:11.240 not endured. Hmm. But I think just see people, you know, 137 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:15.879 for people who invest so much time and money in the game, we 138 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.159 don't see enoughful lot of teeth. We don't see an awful lot of people 139 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:24.080 smiling, which is such a tragedy really. So, as Carl suggested, 140 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.200 you know, we want to bring a bit of the fun element back into 141 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:31.519 into putting and not putting, but golf across the board. And I think 142 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.759 if that involves a bit more artistry and creativity. I think that's probably not 143 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:41.600 a bad way to go forward with it. I hope you don't mind, 144 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:46.320 Gary that I will now forever be quoting your father, but I'll give you 145 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.720 credit for it about golf as a game to be enjoyed, not endured. 146 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:56.320 Wow. Yeah, wise words weren't the amazing words. Power forwards, power 147 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.080 forwards. We're going to take a time out. We'll be back right after 148 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:09.120 this. What I so enjoy about watching the video, and I've watched it 149 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:16.840 a couple of times now, on the lost the lost art of putting is 150 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:24.120 how you guys complement one another on the mechanics side and the mental side of 151 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:31.919 it. And I'm gonna go right Carl. You you go to a lot 152 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.200 of places. But I have to say, after watching it a couple of 153 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.480 times and then going out to the golf course this week, what I kept 154 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:43.679 hearing in my head was about the alpha wave and the beta wave, and 155 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:48.600 the busy beta wave and the very smooth alpha wave. I played this weekend 156 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:54.399 in We shouldn't have gone out. It was over ninety five degrees outside, 157 00:11:54.399 --> 00:12:01.360 it was very hot. I walked the front nine and got joined a partner 158 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:03.320 being in the cart and it kills me to do so, but I got 159 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:07.600 in the cart on the back nine and rode with him. But for only 160 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:13.279 the second time in my playing career of twenty five plus years, I shot 161 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.559 even par on the back nine. And I think it was more about the 162 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:24.679 fact that I was so hot and it was draining me so much, and 163 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:31.519 I kept I was hydrating NonStop, but I wasn't thinking about it. I 164 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.039 was totally distracted by the heat, and I was just going up taking the 165 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:41.000 shot and then moving on and not getting concerned over everything. My mind was 166 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:45.559 moving very slowly. And then again I watched the video and like, oh, 167 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:50.240 the alpha waves were really in play, and yeah, I mean I 168 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.960 shot a seventy six, which for me is an excellent, excellent round. 169 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.919 You know, my goal is always when I look over my last twenty score 170 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.639 and the hand in the index settings, is to try to have more rounds 171 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.000 in the seventies than in the nineties. And so right now I'm I'm there. 172 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.080 Haven't had a round in the nineties in a while, so I'm very 173 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.279 happy about that. But it's because of what I learned from guys like you. 174 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.320 Yeah, it's it's so interesting to hear you say that, Fred, 175 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.120 and also great to hear that your game's moving in in a good direction. 176 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:30.360 I think it's I think it's fantastic that you manage to have all these different 177 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.279 people on the podcast, which you know, it's great information, very but 178 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.080 you then manage to distill it down to things that are relevant for you and 179 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:41.039 in your own individual golf and you know, and I think that's important for 180 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:46.000 everybody listening that you know, you can hear great information and great ideas, 181 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.080 but ultimately you've got to own these things for yourself, and you've got to 182 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:52.200 find out what it is that makes you tick as a unique human being. 183 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.399 So you know, we can talk in general terms, but the individual is 184 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:01.799 sacred. You know. But what you're saying there about your experience with putting, 185 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.679 you think about it with this with this game, most people, as 186 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:11.240 a generalized statement, would say that they actually put it better when they were 187 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:15.120 kids, when they were younger than they actually do now. Even even top 188 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:20.679 professionals would would often relate that story about how easy putting was when they were 189 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.200 when they were younger players. And you think, well, what why is 190 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.360 that? Well, you know, as a kid, you walk onto a 191 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:31.039 green and you're just absorbed with what the golf ball has got to do. 192 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.440 You know, you're really interested in what this ball needs to do to go 193 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.559 into the hole. And as simple as that sounds, I think what happens 194 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:45.799 is anywhere evolution as a golfer. What happens we go from being interested in 195 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.960 what the golf ball has to do to becoming more obsessed in what we have 196 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:54.000 to do. And by that I mean is what we have to do mechanically? 197 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.759 How do we have to move our body to actually move the ball in 198 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:01.279 a certain direction at a certain pace. And you know, we pose the 199 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:07.120 question in the Lost Art of Golf does the shot create the swing or does 200 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.960 the swing create the shot? And it's the same we believe does the put 201 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.159 create the stroke or does the stroke create the pup. Now, you know 202 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.600 you'll get a hundred pros who would argue vociferously one way or the other, 203 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.679 and there's no definitive answer to this. But we really firmly believe if you've 204 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:28.360 got a really good idea what you believe the golf ball needs to do to 205 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:33.559 go into the hole, trust your body to organize the movement to make that 206 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.679 happen without you getting too involved in it. We need to leave thread out 207 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:39.919 of it, or Garry out of it, or Carl out of it. 208 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:45.720 Where we get so involved in trying to be perfect and actually realize that when 209 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.720 we get clear on that, we get clear on our intention, some amazing 210 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:54.120 things can happen. We have a fundamental principle thread that your body will organize 211 00:15:54.200 --> 00:16:00.200 movement around a clear intention. But most people when they go onto a rain 212 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.399 have a very cloudy intention, and usually the intention is more to do with 213 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.840 how they are going to move rather than what they want the ball to do. 214 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.440 Excellent, it's interesting. I'm gonna this kind of works to go back 215 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:21.720 and forth in that pink for a group of kids from the Congaree Foundation today 216 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:26.039 and they're all really good players, sixty and seventeen years old, lower handicap 217 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:32.159 golfers. And we talked about the basically the principles within the lasstart of putting 218 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:36.759 the book and within the digital program. And one of the concepts we talked 219 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:41.480 about in a bit of depth is visualization. And there were seventy kids, 220 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:48.159 nine kids, and not one of them was seeing the ball going into the 221 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:55.679 hole before they hit it, which was quite astonishing. Yeah, they could 222 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:59.480 not visualize. One did a part. I think one did. But the 223 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:02.799 others we're saying, well, no, I just I picked my line and 224 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.799 then I'll get over the ball and I do this my stroke and I do 225 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:10.279 this putter and my shoulders. I said, what about the ball, But 226 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.960 what's just I got to get it started online. Yeah, that's part of 227 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.240 the process. But how about you get it finishing. Think about the finish 228 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:23.079 line rather than the start line. I mean, well, the ball going 229 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.359 into the hole, Well not really, I'm kind of I see where it 230 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.720 starts. I see where I wanted to hit it too, to a certain 231 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.839 point. Whatever said, yeah, but that's the movie doesn't end there. 232 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.160 The movie ends with the ball going into the hole. We tend to create 233 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.839 what we see. So I said, okay, if I give you all 234 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.799 a piece of paper and a pen, a marker, pen, a sharp 235 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.359 or whatever, and asked you to draw a circle, square, and a 236 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:53.640 triangle, what do you see? Circle? Square, a triangle. So 237 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:57.640 you can't draw a circle when you're thinking about a triangle. You can't draw 238 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:02.640 a square when you're thinking about a fish. You know. Yeah, for 239 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:07.319 example, you've got to think about what you want that intention to be and 240 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:11.240 surely the intention when you're putting is to get the ball to go into the 241 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.000 hole. So we went through all the questions. First of all, is 242 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.960 it possible this ball could go in the ball? Well, I didn't know 243 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:22.240 the last one. Okay, I wasn't asking about the last put Let's get 244 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.319 thinking about paying attention to this pat Is it possible this ball could go in 245 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.480 the hole? Yes, absolutely, of course it's possible. Okay, So 246 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:30.920 what does the ball have to do? Well, it needs to travel on 247 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:34.960 a certain line at the appropriate pace, or if you flip that on its 248 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.519 head, because that's what most people do. They choose a line, then 249 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:42.400 they decide how hard to hit it. But if pace the termines line, 250 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:47.640 surely we should be paying a bit more attention to the pace first and then 251 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.880 choose it. Once you've decided how hard you're going to hit it, then 252 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:56.000 you choose a line appropriate to ace and pace. Well, line is nothing 253 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:03.240 without pace. And I saw a few kind of stunned faces. But then 254 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.599 we went out of the putting green and we focused entirely on pace and visualization, 255 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:12.720 and oh I could hear. I didn't intervene with any technical information or 256 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:18.400 intervention. And I just heard balls going in, falling into the hole and 257 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:23.240 laughter, and you know, could see smiling faces and kids having fun. 258 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:27.000 How about that for a concept? And it was great outrage. They loved 259 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:37.279 it. Yeah, I know, fun shouldn't go back. A lot of 260 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.839 the a lot of players that we were talking with over the years, their 261 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:49.480 skills have diminished in their quest to become better, perfect, technically, more 262 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:56.440 efficient, whatever, But they've actually they've lost the basic skill of getting the 263 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.319 ball into the hole because their attention is not on that. Their attention under 264 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:03.440 knees, other hips of their elbows, or the shoulders of their left nostrils 265 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.799 of the right ear lobe, whatever it is. But there are attention been 266 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:08.480 drawn away from the task, which is to get the ball into the hole. 267 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:14.200 And as Karl said, once you have that very clear intention and you're 268 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:18.720 paying attention to what the ball has to do, your brain will start to 269 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:23.480 open up mural pathway. You're sending very clear signals to the parts of your 270 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.440 body that are attached to and move the patter in the appropriate manner. And 271 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.680 guess what, you start to hold some pups. You know, you could 272 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:36.680 for everybody listening, for everybody in Fred you could have just a really simple 273 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:41.039 game that you could go out and try it the next time you go into 274 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:45.119 the putting green. And this sounds so ridiculously simple, but we found it 275 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:49.240 can be revolutionary for a lot of players. It's just to simply go out 276 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:53.359 and hits a bunch of pups from say five six feet up to twenty feet 277 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:57.799 a lot of individual puts all around the green, and just ask yourself one 278 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:03.119 question before you before you hit the put you just say to you off which 279 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:04.960 side of the hole is this ball going to go in? And then you 280 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.720 actually answer that question. It's either going in from the left side of the 281 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.480 whole, of the right side of the hole on most pots, from from 282 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.880 you know, six foot and beyond. And then once you've answered that question, 283 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:18.440 it's going to go in from the right, it's going to go in 284 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:22.440 from the left. Allow your allow your brain to create an image backwards from 285 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.200 the entry point from the whole back to you. You know, be a 286 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:29.559 little bit creative. Maybe you want to put some color in there. You 287 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:32.160 know, you see that the line from the whole, from the entry point 288 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:34.640 into the whole comes back to you, and the colors green or sorry, 289 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:37.960 red, or yellow or blue or whatever. It is, not yourself out 290 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:42.920 with the color that you do. But just really engage that that creative part 291 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:48.319 of your brain, with that simplicity, and then just see what happens. 292 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.160 Just hit a bunch of puts, single ball from lots of different locations, 293 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.799 and see what you like in terms of your prediction. Did it go in 294 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:59.880 from the right, did it come in from the left. Because I think 295 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.720 again, one of the things that people don't realize that if you look at 296 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:10.319 it, what is the fundamental requirement to become a good putter is you basically 297 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:15.119 have to predict what a golf ball is going to do based on one attempt. 298 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.480 You only get one go as far as anyway on the golf course. 299 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:25.319 So if prediction is a really important skill to develop, I'd ask everybody listening 300 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:30.240 how much are you how much are you practicing your prediction skills? Now that 301 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.319 is very different since then standing in the same place, sitting the same put 302 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:37.599 over and over and over again, drilling into the idea that if you see 303 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:42.000 the ball going enough times from the same place, you'll magically take that ability 304 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:45.759 out onto the golf course with you. Now, I know that has got 305 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:51.480 a part to play. We know that some mechanics and understanding face control and 306 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:55.240 path and all those things have a part to play, but once you get 307 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:59.440 out onto the golf course, you better be good at predicting based on one 308 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:06.519 attempt. So if you're not practice some of your prediction skills, yeah, 309 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:11.519 exactly. I was explaining to these kids today that you have to hit the 310 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:15.519 same part from the same place on the golf course three or four or five 311 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.759 times, you're in serious trouble. I don't know how you would do that. 312 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.799 So if you've got hit the same part against because you've all hit out 313 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:25.880 of bounds, which is going to be pretty rare, the putting greena would 314 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:32.960 amage. So you know what, people take balls out at the first one 315 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.119 three feet past, so they react to that and they'll leave the knights one 316 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.720 short then because they and everyone else who plays golf as a genius. By 317 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.720 the time we get to third attempt, we've managed to hold the third one, 318 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.519 but we've recalibrated and we've learned from the first one and the second one. 319 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:55.359 That's not predicting, that's reacting to and learning from. We do not 320 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:59.079 have that luxury on the golf course. You know, No, we don't. 321 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:03.039 We're gonna take another time about and we're back to continue this conversation with 322 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:14.599 Gary Nicholl and Carl Morris right after this. Okay, I need to ask 323 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:18.279 a quick question about the visualization Gary, especially those young people that you were 324 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:25.119 working in. Pin in or pin out make a difference as far as visualization 325 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:29.640 because with pin in then you have something that is more than just the flat 326 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.119 ground that you're looking at. It's got something a hard target that you can 327 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:41.720 go to. That's a great question. I've read about four very in depth 328 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:49.319 surveys as studies on whether you should have the pin in the pin night to 329 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:55.400 conclusively say you must keep the pin in and guess what the other two see 330 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.119 out. So yeah, I still don't know, but I think from a 331 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:06.799 visualization perspective, having the pin in on longer puts certainly curtly draws your attention 332 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:11.119 to where the hole is, which is never a bad thing because that's ultimately 333 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:14.839 where you want your ball to go. You want your ball to finish. 334 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:18.839 And I think that that kind of gives you a destination and it's like a 335 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:26.079 beacon signaling or drawing you into that that end goal that destination, so it 336 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:30.759 can be I mean, we're not absolutists. We would never say you must 337 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:36.440 use the pin as a visualization tool or you must take it out and not 338 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.400 use it. Experiment with one, experiment with the other, and see which 339 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:45.279 works best for you. But I think the journey to the pin is quite 340 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:49.440 important. You know, Carl mentioned the line earlier, and we've experimented with 341 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:53.839 a number of players over the last few years with the concept of a much 342 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.880 thicker line rather than you know, most people who use a line on their 343 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:03.559 ball, they tend to see a very an extension of that very thin line 344 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.839 that's on your ball, So they're trying to put down a razor blade or 345 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:10.559 a tight rope, if you like. But if you think about trying to 346 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:12.279 put down the channel, as we talk about in the in the video and 347 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:17.200 in the book the Digital Program, you know, we're trying to get you 348 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:21.480 to think about a three ball channel or a three ball highway that's going to 349 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:30.799 lead you to your ultimate destination. And the perception decreases massively when you've got 350 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.759 a channel to hit down rather than trying to to hit up down this very 351 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.640 thin line. Because by definition, if you're trying to hit or put your 352 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:44.119 ball down a very thin line. Then you're going to tense up. You're 353 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:47.960 going to get a bit tight, You're probably not breathing. Your brain's going 354 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.640 to start racing. All your attention is then going to focus back on you 355 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.599 and what you have to do and what the pattern has to do at the 356 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.880 expense of what the ball has to do, which was our original attention intense 357 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:07.599 and I should say so having that change of intention changes your where you focus 358 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.200 your attention. So having that thicker channel, and as Carl said, get 359 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.000 creative with the color. There's the number of people I've asked you said, 360 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.960 I see a green line. Okay, just think about that for a second. 361 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:25.240 You want something that's going to contrast, not bloed in. So you 362 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.640 know, the brighter the color, the better the results tend to be. 363 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.319 And I often ask players when you do see that line, where does it 364 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.720 end? What starts at the ball and it finishes right at the edge of 365 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:44.200 the hole. Okay, So basically what your brain is picking up is I 366 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:48.039 want to put to the edge of the hole. Yeah, very few people 367 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.599 will have the breach the entry point. Something is as simple as that can 368 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.839 make all the difference. You know, sometimes I'll put a tea in the 369 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.559 great say we've got a left right breaking put and if this enter the hole 370 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.119 is six o'clock on a clock face, and you want the ball to enter 371 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.960 at eight pm. So if you put a tea in the ground put at 372 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.759 eight pm side front of the hole. You ask the player does that look 373 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.519 like an easy task or a difficult task? Nine times out of ten they'll 374 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.279 say it's a difficult task. Well, that's a really small entry point. 375 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.759 But if we move the teas to the back of the hole so that it's 376 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.359 thought, you've got to get it in somebody between as you know ten and 377 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:32.640 two, all of a sudden that target looks so much bigger, and it's 378 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:34.559 dragging. You put to the back of the hole, not to the front 379 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.079 of the hole. You know, if you if you hit a pup from 380 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:45.000 ten feet and it stops it in short, stay there by the back of 381 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:47.680 the hole. It comes up an inch. Yeah, if you in for 382 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.519 the back of the hole, it comes up and in short, well the 383 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:53.839 whole four point two five inches in every direction. So it's got a much 384 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.799 much better chance of going in the hole that way. Right of puts that 385 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:08.240 are short, don't go in right, It's pretty simple. The other thing 386 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.960 that you can do as well as we're getting onto the the imagery again, 387 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:17.119 it's just being playful with it. You know. We've had some players who 388 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.279 they'll create, let's say, they'll create a red channel or a red line 389 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.839 going into the hole, but then even get even more creative where they actually 390 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:32.119 see that there's liquid flowing down that red channel. It's like it's like a 391 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.119 it's like a mercury going into the hole or whatever. It is, a 392 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:41.640 lava flowing into the hole. And it just seems that the richer that the 393 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:47.279 images are of what the task is, the more engaged that we are in 394 00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:52.039 that pot, the more that seems to supply the information from the brain then 395 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.119 to the body to actually get the job done. And it's it's it's a 396 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.559 kind of non technical, nonlinear way of doing it. It's in aging if 397 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.480 you want the right side of the brain, the creative side of the brain, 398 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.079 which then seems to help the feel element to it because you're you're not 399 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.240 verbalizing, you're not telling yourself to do something. You really tuned into the 400 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.720 images and allowing them the field to take over and respond to those images. 401 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:22.759 Tiger always said he played and put pictures, So what does that tell you? 402 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:29.400 He was seeing before he was doing, but he was seeing what the 403 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.359 ball was doing. He always reacted to what he wanted the ball to do, 404 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.799 which seems like the simplest, smartest way to play the game. That's 405 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:42.960 real golf smarter, very many smarter than Tiger, of course, that's for 406 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:48.559 sure. Do you really think that he was probably and I say was. 407 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.960 It's a shame, but we're saying was about Tiger now, but one of 408 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.000 the most intelligent golfers. As far as his golf IQ. I mean, 409 00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.240 we've talked about in the States here in basketball, if the guy has a 410 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:03.160 high basketball IQ. You know, the Tiger's golf IQ. It was just 411 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:14.680 off the charts compared to the everybody else. Yeah, could not dream more. 412 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.799 I can't think of I can't think of many golfers with a higher golf 413 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.119 IQ. That's for sure. He just he knew what he was doing every 414 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:29.279 step of the way. But a lot of it came from his early training. 415 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:33.319 Carl, you knew a little bit about that, Yeah, I mean 416 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:41.319 certainly his background, his mother with the sort of Buddhist train and things like 417 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.640 that is mindfulness, the aspect mindfulness practice that I know he did, or 418 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.880 I believe he did, and the work that he did with Jay bruns Or 419 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.960 he was a Navy psychologist who was a friend of Earl Worlds I believe. 420 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.680 I mean, I don't know what they did, but I'm pretty sure they 421 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.559 must have played around with a lot of imagery and creativity. But when you 422 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:05.720 just said there Fred about golf in IQ, if we drill into that a 423 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.240 little bit, what is golf in IQ? What does what does that actually 424 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:14.920 mean? And how relevant is it for everybody listening well to me? Golf 425 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:20.920 in IQ is where you become very attuned to the golf course, where you're 426 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:23.559 very attuned to the puzzle that the golf course is setting for you, because 427 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.839 you know, we'll say, you know throughout the game that the golf course 428 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.000 is speaking to you all the time. It's telling you what to do, 429 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:36.759 but you've got to listen to it. And and most people are not listening 430 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.839 to the golf course. They're they're so wrapped up in the minut shy of 431 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:45.400 what they're trying to do with the mechanics that they actually don't tune into the 432 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:49.839 subtleties of the golf course, the subtleties of the wind that change the dead 433 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.319 direction, temperature, all those all those kind of things that I think that 434 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:58.599 the more the more you become involved in what the golf ball needs to do 435 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.000 and the shots that you're trying to create, the chips that you're trying to 436 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.759 create, the puts that you're trying to create, you become much more attuned 437 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.039 to the golf course. You know, one of the things that we recommend 438 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:15.319 a lot of players do is actually go out on the golf course, even 439 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.319 the course that you know really well, and actually and actually walk to something. 440 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.200 Jack Nicholas did it. Actually walked the golf course backwards, start at 441 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:28.599 the eighteenth green, look at the perspective from the eighteenth green, and it'll 442 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:30.599 seem a lot wider than it does when you play at the normal way round. 443 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:35.240 But walk it backwards and then turn around. And you know, the 444 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.880 number of players I've worked with over the years who I can look back on 445 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:44.640 it where we've actually walked practice rounds because they've not had enough time to play 446 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.920 enough practice rounds. And when you walk a practice round, you actually engage 447 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.079 that creative side of them. And you start to see the shots that you 448 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.960 could play, you start to engage the visualization skills, and it's a it's 449 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.000 just a fun extra dimension that you could have that virtually nobody thinks about, 450 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:05.960 you know, engage in this creative aspect. I've had an issue for years 451 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.159 where I've said that the USGA was an advocate for the golf course and not 452 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:14.239 the golfer, and it's going to be hard to grow the game if you 453 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:19.960 don't give the golfer more consideration. But as we're recording this, yesterday was 454 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:23.440 the finish of the Open Championship at Royal Liverpool, won by Brian Harmon, 455 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:30.119 and I think that it was a really good example of you know, you 456 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:36.920 talked about the golf IQ and understanding what a golf course can do to the 457 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.159 players. I thought that this past weekend was a great example of that. 458 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:49.000 Absolutely. Yeah. The golf course was asking question after question after question and 459 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:53.480 Brian Harmon came up with the best answers. Well, in his putting was 460 00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.440 remarkable. What thirty eight out of thirty nine or fifty eight out of fifty 461 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:04.000 nine at under ten feet under ten feet? Now there weren't all ten feet, 462 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.320 so might have been three, four and five, but they were. 463 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.360 That's incredible, incredible. Yeah, he held four hundred fifty feet of puts 464 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.400 all week. That's a lot of puts. If you hold more than one 465 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.679 hundred feet of puts in around, you're having a pretty special day. Four 466 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.639 hundred and fifty. I think he led the putting steps, or certainly some 467 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:30.960 of the putting steps. Yeah, he played very sensible golf. Some would 468 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:35.960 say almost to the point of being boring. But if hitting most fairies and 469 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.239 most screens is boring golf, then I'll have some of that, please, 470 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:45.239 And if using three puts is boring, again, I'll have some of that 471 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:51.400 please. Yeah, he just understood. I think everyone understood what the what 472 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.800 the task was, and what the questions were being asked of the players by 473 00:35:53.840 --> 00:36:00.679 the golf course or the golf course designer. But he Yeah, he had 474 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.840 the answers. He passed with flight. He passed the examination with flying colors. 475 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.039 All right, moren I have another question about Brian, but we're gonna 476 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:17.360 take another time out and I'll do that right after this. Congratulations again, 477 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.360 Brian Harmon. That was a remarkable feat. But I have to say, 478 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.599 if I was playing golf with Brian Harmon as great as he hits the ball, 479 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.480 as great as he's putting is, I would go out of my mind 480 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.800 with the waggles. It was like I would just want to yell, hit 481 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:44.400 the ball please, what's going on there? And is it necessary? And 482 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.719 why is he doing that? I think what every golfer is waiting for. 483 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.280 Freddy's what I called the ghost signal. Well, you get over the ball 484 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.079 and your brains that it says, yeah, we're ready, we're ready to 485 00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:00.599 go here, And clearly for Brian a couple of waggles should in effect give 486 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.239 him the gold signal. I'm not a big fan of overdoing that because I 487 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.119 think two waggles can turn into three, four and five. And it was 488 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:12.719 interesting on the back nine that the waggles seem to increase a little bit. 489 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:19.039 So ultimately I think, what again, what is what is relevant for everybody 490 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:23.360 listening? I talk a lot about with players about the idea of flow, 491 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:30.960 about the whole routine should actually flow. It's like it's like a dance almost 492 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.719 as you as you go from behind the ball, you create the shot that 493 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.880 the practice swings, that you take, the movement that you make into the 494 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:43.760 shot. It should. I don't like to see really stacato movements where it's 495 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.760 very rigid and you're trying to get everything absolutely perfect. You'll find that if 496 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:51.920 you allow yourself to just select the shot, create the shot, and then 497 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.760 flow through the rest of the routine. If the routine flows, then what 498 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.760 a surprise. The golf swing tends to flow. So I think, you 499 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.679 know, just the very concept of allowing flow into the process and not trying 500 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.360 to be perfect with it, not trying to be so precise. I think 501 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:15.199 you know, for me, we've talked about the three ball highway with with 502 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.199 putting, you could actually enlarge that on the with the rest of the game. 503 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.480 You know, we've been told and many many years that it's all about 504 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:27.519 picking the smallest possible target, you know, the leaf on the tree idea 505 00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.920 and things like that. Now I would say if anybody, if anybody picks 506 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:37.320 really small targets and they play really well, guess what they should continue doing 507 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:43.119 it. But an alternative view is instead of picking really small targets, is 508 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.360 that you actually play around with channels and not just as we said on the 509 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.440 green that you can see a channel working into the hole. You know, 510 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.000 one of the one of the players that I've worked with for a long time, 511 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.679 he had he had a decent a decent open lorry cantry finished in the 512 00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.400 top twenty. And we've talked a lot with Lorie over the last few years 513 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:07.679 about seeing shots working down channels because he feels actually when he picks small targets, 514 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.199 he actually feels it really restricts him because he feels it's too precise. 515 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.360 He can feel as though he gets into I have to be perfect mode, 516 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.239 whereas if he can really see a really nice wide channel, then he lets 517 00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.760 go. He actually he actually led the driving statistics for the week there, 518 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:28.000 and that would be something again for everybody listening. Play around with that. 519 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:32.559 Go onto the range and use alignment sticks for what we believe they should be 520 00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:36.880 used for, is not so much being down by your feet, but actually 521 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.760 stand out onto the range, go out a few feet in front of you, 522 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:44.320 and play around with what you need to have as a width of channel. 523 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.320 Now, some people might find a faily narrow channel works well for them, 524 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.760 other people, depending on their ability, a little bit wider channel. 525 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.159 But it's a great feeling to stand there on the range and think, I 526 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.360 just can't miss this channel and you're just going to let it go down. 527 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:06.440 Damn that channel channel element. So again, it's just changing your perception of 528 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:12.119 the difficulty of the task. And part of the video that I absolutely loved 529 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:16.239 was the idea of looking at the hole and picking the backside of it and 530 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:22.679 widening the channel. That that really helped me a lot this weekend. Also, 531 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.840 I have found, and this is I don't know, you know, 532 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:32.639 we're talking about the smallest possible target that once I have determined my pace and 533 00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:39.280 then determine the line, is picking a spot, a very small spot about 534 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:44.760 six to eight to maybe ten inches in front of the ball and making sure 535 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:50.159 that the ball rolls over that spot, as opposed to picking a line where 536 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.639 I want the apex to be and then what the break is going to be 537 00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:58.679 is just as if I can get the ball on that spot and work it 538 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.719 from there. I was having much greater success, even especially with long puts, 539 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.639 but with short puts, which is my kryptonite, you know, the 540 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:14.000 inside of four feet that just like shouldn't be a problem that I tend to 541 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.960 miss more of those than I want to. I think we all do. 542 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:22.159 But I started not focusing on the whole. I started focusing on a spot, 543 00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.920 making sure I just get to the line built line over that spot, 544 00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.800 you know, and get it started properly, and it made a big difference. 545 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:37.440 Whatever works is that okay, works for you, that's what works for 546 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.159 you. Again, you know, we are not absolute as We're not saying 547 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.320 you must do this way, you must do it that way. These are 548 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:50.920 some concepts. Take them, personalize and make them your own. Explore with 549 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.119 this, Explore with that, Explore with the next seg and see what works 550 00:41:53.119 --> 00:42:00.079 best for you. Because that's Golf is such an individual and personal game, 551 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.920 and the putting aspect of it. You know, if you pick out the 552 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.239 ten best putter statistically in the world, the one thing that they will have 553 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.119 in common is they all do it their own way. You know, it's 554 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.880 all about they have. They may have different styles or different groups or stances 555 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.920 or putters or you know, some might have a toa hang, so might 556 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.320 have a more of a mallet much of the love of blade. It doesn't 557 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:27.679 really matter. It's about find out what works best for you. And once 558 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.920 you've got that magic formula, the one thing it would suggest you do, 559 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:35.920 we we would both suggest you do, is please write it down because We 560 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:37.960 always think we're going to remember these things, and we rarely do. So 561 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:43.639 we're very big in the power of journaling and writing these things down. You 562 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.519 know, I always ask my students, you know, did you write that 563 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.800 down when you played really well? Well, yeah, it was good, 564 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:53.559 but I'll remember what was doing. Really Have you ever forgotten a significant others 565 00:42:53.719 --> 00:43:00.960 birthday, birthday or anniversary or we all have, right, So if that's 566 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.079 really important to us, we forget that. What remembering what we did and 567 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:09.960 we played well three sundays ago pretty slim. So yeah, get a nice 568 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.039 notebook, nicer pen, and make sure you're right down all your learnings, 569 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:19.679 all these great things that you've you've managed to learn and apply to your golf 570 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:23.400 game. Because one of the things that people say read that is that you 571 00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:29.519 know the problem is with golf is that it's not a reaction resport like baseball 572 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.880 or basketball is. But in a way not in a way golf is a 573 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.719 reaction resport. Is that you will react to the images inside of your head 574 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:43.519 that you have before you actually hit the shot. So you know, what 575 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.599 happens with the stroke, what happens with the swing is after the horse has 576 00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:51.360 bolted, let's come back a little bit and let's find out what image is 577 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:54.639 that you have, what is your attention on before you actually play the shot, 578 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:59.800 before you actually hit the pot. And as you described, you know 579 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:04.519 you've come up with some things, some images that you can work with rolling 580 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.920 over that spot, down the channel, You've come up with something that your 581 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:13.039 body responds to in term of imagery before you actually hit the pot. So 582 00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:17.599 I think you know that would be our overall message for everybody is understand that 583 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.360 you will be thinking something before every shot and every port. You will have 584 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:27.400 something going through your head. Fundamental principle is that is what you think? 585 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:31.000 Is what you're thinking? Is it useful or useless? Because the results that 586 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.559 you get in will tell you which are thus two categories you tend to focus 587 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:39.480 on. So it's it's about and that's why Gary said writing these things down 588 00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:44.320 is so important. You need to unlock your code. You need to understand 589 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.559 your golf in DNA of the things that work for you. You know, 590 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:51.119 success leaves a trail behind, but we don't often look for it, but 591 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.199 explore the imagery. Explore the things that you do before you actually pull the 592 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:59.880 trigger. But what's crazy about golf? Is what may work for you today. 593 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.320 You know you said if it works, keep doing it in three or 594 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:06.639 four rounds. It may not be working again. It may not be working 595 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:12.199 anymore. I mean, nothing is perfect and nothing is forever. It feels 596 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:16.480 like it's an evolving it's it's a living thing, isn't it? A living 597 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:22.159 organism? Isn't so? But we tend to find that these things stopped working 598 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:30.239 when you stop doing them. M hm. So you know you've really focused 599 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.039 on something for three or four weeks and then you think, okay, I've 600 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.920 got that, and your attention will wonder somewhere else. Not consciously, you 601 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:43.719 won't make a conscious eword to stop doing it, but you think subconstantly, 602 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.639 okay, I've cracked that that that I know that works, But I wonder 603 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:53.159 what would happen if so I just added this or added that. So you 604 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:58.840 know, when you create your favorite meal, it's your favorite meal because you 605 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.079 use the same ingredients and you cook it the same way. Once you start 606 00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:05.599 messing about with cooking times and adding more and more ingredients, it's not going 607 00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.480 to test the same. The outcome will not be the same. So it's 608 00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:15.280 finding your magic form that Now, Yes, we sometimes the brain likes to 609 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.199 reset, so it's sometimes we get a little bit bored with doing the same 610 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:21.920 same time and time again, so you might have to go away and try 611 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.519 something else. But if you've written down what's worked in the past, you've 612 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.440 always got that to go back to. It might mean that sometimes you do 613 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.079 have to go and try something for a day or two or a week to 614 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.719 discover that what you were doing in the first place was actually the best person 615 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:39.960 or brought out the best version of you. But if you don't have that 616 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.079 written down as a reference point, you've got nothing to go or nothing or 617 00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.119 nowhere to go back too. Well, usually this is where we'll break it 618 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.000 off, but I need another segment if you guys have the time, so 619 00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.800 I will take another break, find out what's happening in Golf smarto Mulligans, 620 00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:59.519 and then we'll be right back. Clearly, you're a podcast listener, and 621 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.440 you again for being a Golf Smarter listener as well. So here's the deal 622 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:10.239 with Golf Smarter Mulligans. Golf instruction and game improvement insights don't get stale like 623 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:15.599 PGA Toured News does by the time you listen to a podcast on Tuesday, 624 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:22.000 last week's tour event is old news. Now. 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Please follow both of our 649 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:37.400 golf podcasts for free, Golf Smarter published every Tuesday, and our sister podcast 650 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.199 that revisits the best of the golf Smarter podcasts that are no longer available. 651 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.920 It's called Golf Smarter Mulligan's being released every Friday. From wherever you're listening right 652 00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:54.960 now, getting back to the waggle for just a moment, It's interesting because 653 00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:00.679 I think about Lynn Marriott and Pa Nelson who talk about the thinking box and 654 00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:07.360 the hitting box or the thought box and the shots and all that waggle stuff, 655 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.079 all that getting ready, all that should be done before you step up 656 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:15.039 to the ball. At least I firmly believe with what they profess on that 657 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:20.880 and have incorporated it. So once I feel comfortable with what my mechanics need 658 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:22.599 to be and where my target needs to be and what my line needs to 659 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:28.320 be, then I'll just step up to the ball and hit it. And 660 00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:32.159 the waggling it's like, get on with it. Really told me crazy to 661 00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:37.800 watch him that. Yeah, but who are we to say that's wrong? 662 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:45.239 The Open champion we're not. Yeah, but I can't imagine that would I 663 00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.840 can't imagine that would work forever because it's almost like he's delaying the inevitable. 664 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.679 He's trying to as Carl said, he's not quite ready to hit this price 665 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:58.599 of Goobutson just yet. So it was interesting certainly. The commentary in the 666 00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:02.559 UK, a couple of the commentators mentioned that it would be interesting to see 667 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:10.239 if the frequency and volume of wigles increased as the pressure intensified and that certainly 668 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:17.119 seemed. I wasn't actually counting them, but it's certainly appeared going up and 669 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:21.199 up and up and up and up and up and up. And perhaps he 670 00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:25.440 needed to do that to just get himself ready to go to calm himself down. 671 00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.400 Perhaps who knows. We don't know. We all we can see is 672 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.679 what we see. We don't know what's going on in his heads. So 673 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.039 until we know what's going on these heads, we can't. All we could 674 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.119 do is make an observation on what we see, and we might get it 675 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.039 right, but we might get it wrong. So it's very you know, 676 00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.519 I'm sure there'll be a lot of experts who'll be jumping on the bandwagon saying, 677 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:49.159 well this, you've got to do this, or you've got to do 678 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:51.199 that, or you shouldn't be doing this, or you should be doing that. 679 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.360 We don't know why he was doing it. We can only make assumptions 680 00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:01.199 that he wasn't quite ready to play, if you like. So another waggle, 681 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.760 another waggle. And I don't think it was a conscious scene. Sure, 682 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.239 he just didn't appear to be quite ready to pull the trigger. But 683 00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:14.960 as I say, he's sitting at home with the Claret jug right now and 684 00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.360 we're talking about him, so he must have been doing something right right, 685 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:22.480 And you know we probably all sat there a Sunday morning going, yeah, 686 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.920 this is not there's no way he can hold up with this. But then 687 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:30.199 again, he did it right. Maybe needed the waggles, maybe it helped 688 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:35.119 him calm down and he hung tough, he ground one thing I would pretty 689 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.400 much be and I don't know what he was thinking, but I would be 690 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:42.559 pretty certain Fred that what looks physically quite uncomfortable with all the waggles, for 691 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.440 him in that moment when he was playing, was ment was mentally quite calming. 692 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:51.199 That he's his mind would not have been jumping around all over the place, 693 00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.079 even though for us watching his waggles, you know, it seemed like 694 00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:59.079 an eternity at times, but you know for him, he would he would 695 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.559 have just been his mind would have been settled in one place. Now, 696 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:06.519 as we said earlier on, it's not something I would recommend people do because 697 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.480 usually two waggles turns into three, turns into four, and then you could 698 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:14.079 have a situation like Surgey or had a number of years ago when he couldn't 699 00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:15.280 take the club away at all. Could he because he had so many, 700 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:21.079 so many waggles. But you know, I know one of your previous guests, 701 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.960 Jim Waldron, he was on my podcast recently and it reinforced to me. 702 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:30.360 He talks about a lot about focus points and the idea of keeping your 703 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:35.280 attention in one place during for the duration of the of the golf swing, 704 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.239 you know, and I would reinforce that that's that's the holy grail, really 705 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:43.320 finding a place that you can keep your attention stable for the time that you 706 00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:46.519 swing that golf club. Right, and with the bio kinesiologists are telling us 707 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:52.079 that focus should not be on your mechanics. It should be on something external, 708 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:58.000 although Jim will have variations of that, but focusing on a target, 709 00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:01.960 a spot, something like that. I do want to ask questions based on 710 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:10.800 the video. Now, the idea that that pace determines the line? Okay, 711 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:16.639 yeah, how do you determine how is pace determined? How do you 712 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:22.000 know what the pace is? Is that on how the ball drops in the 713 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.079 in the front, middle and back of the hole. Is that a body 714 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:30.599 thing? How do you determine what the pace is? You could have figured 715 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:35.360 that out from green reading reading the green. Most people talk about green reading 716 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:39.679 as a lightn thing. But what we try to encourage people to do is 717 00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:45.280 have a look at the pup from a certain aspect. We talked about low 718 00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:49.639 side reading, so you would never hit a shot off of course, if 719 00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.960 you didn't know how far you had. You know, we've everyone's got a 720 00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:57.079 range finder, a laser or yardish break, whatever it is, so you 721 00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:00.000 would never hit a shot into a green unless you have far add But we 722 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.880 all hit parts not knowing how far we have. So what we're trying to 723 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:09.840 do is established how long the part is. Is it uphill, is it 724 00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:14.599 downhill? Is it left to right? So slopes, speed of green, 725 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.800 and length of part are going to be the things that will influence the pace. 726 00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.519 So once we've kind of figured out if it's uphill and we've done a 727 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:24.920 bit of practice on the putting green, before we go out a bit of 728 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.800 training to find out why how the greens are running, hopefully they'll be the 729 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.679 same pace as the ones in the golf course. You've then got to figure 730 00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:38.239 out again, going back to Carl's earlier concept of prediction, you've got to 731 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:43.800 predict. I don't think there is It's more of an art than a science. 732 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.719 Now, I'm sure some clever scientists will and have already figured out ways 733 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:54.840 to measure slope in degrees and whatever, but not all greens are going to 734 00:55:54.880 --> 00:56:00.599 be the same pace. So it is very much that there's there's a bit 735 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:04.880 of guesswork involved, but it's an educated guess. So the better you can 736 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:12.760 understand how the topography that the green is going to influence the pace. And 737 00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:20.280 again, the things that will influence that will be slope distance and green speed. 738 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.320 Is the grass long, is it short? Is it into the grains? 739 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.440 It down? Grain? Is it cross the grain? What? We 740 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.840 don't have so much grain in this country, but I'm shooting. I know 741 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:31.480 that certain parts of the world there's a grain plays a big influence. And 742 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:37.880 obviously hitting the ball out the middle of the putter will influence how far the 743 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:42.280 ball travels as well. And we all know we're supposted out in the middle. 744 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.320 But whims the last time anyone actually paid any attention to that. It's 745 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.360 a real that's a real skill, and that is one of the real skills 746 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:55.159 that allows you to gain some control or influence over the pace of the pip. 747 00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:02.320 But I think just the whole concept of knowing that will very much influence 748 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:08.440 or dictate the line is the best place to start. And again, going 749 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:15.960 back to one of the things we talked about earlier that if if ordinarily we 750 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:19.800 choose a line, then we decide how hard we're going to hit it, 751 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:24.119 we're not very that's not very effective or efficient, then it might be wise 752 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:28.880 to try something else, to flip that on its head and think about how 753 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:31.199 hard are you going to hit it before you then choose a line, which 754 00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:37.559 is pretty much what we do with every other shot. You know, if 755 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:39.119 it's a pitch shot or a seven hour and a six hour or a nine 756 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:44.079 hour and whatever it is into a green, we need to and we have 757 00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:49.760 decided how much force we're going to apply. Because the first thing you want 758 00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:52.039 to do, why do you hit your ball into ferry? What's the first 759 00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:53.719 thing you do? You find out how far you've got to the front of 760 00:57:53.760 --> 00:58:00.519 the green and or to the flag. But it's almost like so from from 761 00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:04.320 the back of the from the tee to the front of the green, it's 762 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:08.199 all about distance. But then as soon as we break that barrier, we 763 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:15.400 crossed the barrier from fairway onto green, our attention shifts from distance to direction 764 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:19.320 because the line is perhaps a bit more tangible than pace. Line is a 765 00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:22.320 bit more obvious than pace, perhaps a bit easier to see. It's quite 766 00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:29.599 difficult to visualize pace until or unless you go back to what carmationed earlier, 767 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:34.960 when that line becomes liquid or fluid. So if you're if you're pouring liquid 768 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:38.360 into the hole, it's not going so fast that's going to overflow in a 769 00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:42.480 second where it's actually going to run right over the top, but it is 770 00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:46.440 going to flow fast enough to get into the hole. So if you were 771 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:51.840 standing on a green that had a slope and you were pouring water or some 772 00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:55.679 other liquid onto the green that's going to reach the hole, you would soon 773 00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:01.599 know how much to tip over the jug in order to get the liquid onto 774 00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:07.119 the surface. So it's going to reach the whole at the appropriate Your brain 775 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:09.400 and our brains bodies are a lot smarter than we give them credit for a 776 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:16.239 lot of the time. All right, So a number of episodes back, 777 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.679 a couple of months ago, we had Tim Tucker on the podcast, and 778 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:25.199 the following week Tim went on to carry the bag for kid Kitty Yama, 779 00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:29.679 who won on the tour, and one of the things that really jumped out 780 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:34.679 to me with tim was and something I've done for a long time, so 781 00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:38.639 I love having this confirmation of it. Is when we get out to the 782 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:43.880 fairway, when our ball lands, we pull out our our range finder and 783 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:46.000 we try to determine the length of what it is to the middle front or 784 00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:50.519 directly to the pin. But once we get on the green, we don't 785 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.239 figure out what the distance is. We just eyeball it right. And he's 786 00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:59.800 a huge advocate of pacing off your puts right. And then to me, 787 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.360 that helps me determine what my body has to do. And I'm going back 788 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.119 to what do you do to determine the pace? And that's a physical thing, 789 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:13.880 you know, not just a visual or you know calculation, it's a 790 01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:19.679 physical thing. How we determine pace? Do you advocate to paste them off, 791 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.400 to walk off the puts get your distance every time? Well, it's 792 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:27.519 funny. We do an exercise we've done this in schools and clinics and classes 793 01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:31.880 for a few years now where we asked someone to look at their puts from 794 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:36.440 down the line, so they stand behind the ball and we ask them to 795 01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:39.559 turn their putter upside dies to the hole that the heads in their hands and 796 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:44.440 use the putter like a walking stick, and we ask them to close their 797 01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:49.360 eyes and walk to where they think the hole is and tap the green to 798 01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:52.079 see how closely get to it. How many times we've seen people walk past 799 01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.360 that that happens, and it's usually the guy who's a good pot through does 800 01:00:55.400 --> 01:01:00.840 walk past the hole if to get it up there? Yeah, so most 801 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:07.960 people underestimates the distance because looking down the light for shortens everything. So that's 802 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:15.360 why we advocate going to low sight to get books and the distance because without 803 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:17.519 knowing the distance, and if it's up pillar downhill, we can't possibly know 804 01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:22.000 how hard to how hard to hit the pot. And if we don't know 805 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:24.360 how hard we're going to hit it, how can we choose the light again? 806 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:31.159 What if that works for you? Brett? Please keep doing well. 807 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:38.320 This podcast all about me so and another thing that I've found to be very 808 01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:43.199 interesting this years ago. This is from Jeff Mangum. There's also another putting 809 01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:49.199 instructor is to visualize our back to the visualization part of the speed that the 810 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:53.000 ball would drop into the hole, what it gets to but then go backwards 811 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:57.880 and then take it all the way back to the putter and as soon as 812 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.320 you bring your attention right back to the putter, then follow through with the 813 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:05.360 stroke and get it to the pace that you just saw it leaving the pattern 814 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:09.199 thoughts. Yeah, I mean that was that was something out of the hole 815 01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:13.239 as well as going it's not going to come out like a rocket right, 816 01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:15.920 and it's not going to come out just prepop to the top of the hole 817 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:20.239 and get find its way back onto green. It's going to come out with 818 01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.719 the right pace or the appropriate pace. It was something apparently Jack Nicholas used 819 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:28.639 to do, used to actually see the ball go into the hole and come 820 01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:31.239 back out of the hole, and that would that would create a really rich 821 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:37.199 representation of what of what the task does. But you know, we keep, 822 01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:42.119 we keep sort of coming back around to this principle of play around with 823 01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:46.119 the imagery, play around with what goes in your head before you actually create 824 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:49.719 the put But the other thing I would say as well, Freddy, is 825 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:53.159 that you know, in in people's training, how much time do people actually 826 01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:58.719 pay attention to improve in their pace When they're working on the putting. You'll 827 01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:01.559 see a lot of time, a lot of attention trying to get the stroke 828 01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:06.159 right, which again as we say has its part to play, but spend 829 01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:13.119 a little bit more time engaging and giving your brain tasks to improve pace control. 830 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:16.199 Go on, go on to the putting green and when we love doing 831 01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:20.719 this one is gone the Green. It's the only time we'd recommend you do 832 01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.239 it. It's gone the Green with four balls and see if you can complete 833 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:28.079 this task from ten fifteen twenty feet with the first ball, so if you 834 01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:30.840 can roll it just past the hole. With the second ball, see if 835 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:32.599 you can leave it to the right of the whole. Set third ball, 836 01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.920 leave it to the left of the hole, and the fourth ball leave it 837 01:03:35.960 --> 01:03:40.440 short of the whole. So you're engaging the brain to actually increase feel this 838 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:45.400 elusive thing called feel. You're training it in a way by not just trying 839 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:49.039 to get it right all the time, but moving either side of correct. 840 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:53.480 So it's a wonderful, wonderful exercise that I like that one a lot. 841 01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:59.119 I like it a lot, Carl, tell us more about your padet yet 842 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:03.800 the Brain Booster. It comes out every every Friday, Fred. We've we've 843 01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:08.000 had some some pretty good guests on there over the over the years. We 844 01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:10.360 need to get you on as a guest, telling your life story. That 845 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:15.840 will be the next one that we do the evolution of a podcast. But 846 01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:19.360 yeah, it comes out every Friday, the brain Booster excellent and Gary now 847 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:24.199 tell us about this digital program on the last art of putting. How do 848 01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.480 we get access to it? Yes, it's really We created it as kind 849 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:32.079 of a digital or visual companion to the to the book The Lost Started Putting, 850 01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.719 which as we said you know earlier on, it's been out for five 851 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:42.039 years and now we've had some amazing feedback from all round the world from golfers 852 01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:46.719 of all standards, from everyone from beginners to tour pros to whatever, and 853 01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:53.119 been great and it's it's been a real, a real joy to do. 854 01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:57.519 So we created this digital companion if you like to as we mentioned earlier, 855 01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:01.719 to help perhaps bring some of the dryness that you can get from reading a 856 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.000 book and bring it to add some color to it, if you like, 857 01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:09.840 add some a bit more depth to it. 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But the the video is a very powerful companion and 867 01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:09.400 very helpful, and I just want to thank you both for putting that out 868 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:13.760 there and being so comfortable on camera because you made it easy to watch both 869 01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:17.519 of you. I was just amazed at how comfortable you were and easy, 870 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:24.400 just flowing talking, not making any you know, gaffs or going in the 871 01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:29.480 middle of a sentence. You both did an amazing job and this was really 872 01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.639 helpful as special today. Thank you, Thanks Brat, thanks for having us 873 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:40.239 on again. Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. Appreciate it again. If 874 01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:44.199 you'd like access to their video of The Lost Art of Putting, go to 875 01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:50.199 mind factor dot com. Use a coupon code t LA twenty for twenty percent 876 01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:55.480 off. And also the book is excellent, as are these guys, I 877 01:06:55.519 --> 01:07:00.039 really appreciate their time together considering they're in the UK and I'm here in Cia, 878 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:05.480 California. So episode nine hundred four a couple of weeks ago featuring John 879 01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:12.239 Ericsson has really taught me a lot about social media. Strangely enough, now, 880 01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.199 we created a short video from the episode where John was talking about why 881 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:20.440 golf courses don't need to be made longer, and it's kind of gone viral 882 01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:28.280 on Instagram and Facebook with over thirty thousand views in three days. That's pretty 883 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:32.400 huge for me. But the comments that people are making, especially those who 884 01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:38.360 have no idea of John or who he is and what he's done in the 885 01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:44.159 game, or frankly nasty. I mean, there's some pretty ugly things being 886 01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:49.639 said, but I guess that's how social media works, and that's what being 887 01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:56.320 controversial does. Not my style, but so be it. As I always 888 01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:00.159 tell people who don't like an episode, hey stay tuned next week because we'll 889 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:06.159 have something completely different and a different perspective on the game. Thanks the good 890 01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:11.400 old boy, Ed Patterson or Rockport, Texas for becoming our latest Golf Smarter 891 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:15.039 ambassador. 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