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I'm still waiting for you. Hi
everyone, thanks for listening to Shoos,

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Booze and Tattoos. As always,
I'm Jess, I'm your host. I

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want to give a special shout out
to those of you that have joined Patreon.

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Shelly Ward, Tiffany Boots, and
Laura Gilcrest. Thank you so much.

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You guys are amazing. I will
actually be posting a video episode and

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another bonus episode here in the next
couple of days. I am so sorry

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it took me so long to get
this episode out to you. I mean,

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if you're listening in the future,
you it's like no time it's has

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passed. But the excuses don't really
matter. What matters is we have a

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long, in depth episode for you
about zombies. Before we get started with

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that, I do want to address
one review, and I'm going to give

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you the warning as normal. I
did get a review sometime over the past

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couple of weeks that was talking about
the speed of how I talk. If

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there's ever an issue with that,
if you would like me to move a

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little bit faster, there's a button
on your player. Usually it'll have a

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one and then an X by it. You can actually push that and you

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can make it go a little bit
faster. If me speaking a little bit

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slower does bother, you always feel
free to do that. It's a little

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bit difficult for me to speed things
up and still get the feel that I

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would like and that I am going
for and that people have become accustomed to.

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So if you ever feel like you
want to do that, or if

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you want to hear me sound like
I am drunk, you can actually slow

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it down too, So that part
out of the way. I'm not going

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to read reviews at the end of
this, just because it is such a

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long episode. I had Johnny Coon
on with me and he's from the Conspiracy

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Cafe podcast. I love Conspiracy Cafe, honestly, it's one of my favorites

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for conspiracy theories and stuff like that. And I want to say things it

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can to Johnny for coming on with
me and doing this because it was a

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lot of fun. Now here's the
warning for the episode. We do swear

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quite a bit. It's not over
the top, completely unnecessary, kind of

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over the top, but we do
swear so it might not be appropriate.

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We talk about some things that are
a little gross. We also do mention

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things such as drinking drug use,
not like hard drug use. Do we

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mentioned I think pot a little bit
or insinuate about it, but we don't,

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you know, go overboard with any
of that. And I have a

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lot of nervous laughter through this because
I have a tendency to do that at

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times, especially when I don't when
I'm not sure what to say or how

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to process certain things, or if
they make me uncomfortable, I'll get the

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giggles. So I am so sorry
about that. I don't mean to be

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inappropriate at all, but I also
didn't want to take that out because this

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is one of those episodes where you
get to see a little more of me,

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but in a not so organized and
professional type of setting. Johnny and

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I have a conversation. We talk
about zombies the possible ways they could actually

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happen. Now, if you're not
interested in hearing the initial part of this,

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say you just want to skip to
the meatia bits where we're actually talking

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about zombies. The first like ten
minutes or so is us talking about beer.

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We have a full ten minute conversation
about our favorite beers. So if

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you want to skip that, feel
free to go ahead and skip over about

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ten minutes so that I'll bring you
to about the fifteen minute mark now.

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So again, I'm so sorry this
was late. Thank you guys so much,

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and I hope you enjoy listening to
this as much as I enjoyed actually

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having this discussion with Johnny. So, Johnny, what are you drinking?

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Okay, so tonight, I am
drinking a New Belgium Voodoo Ranger IPA hot

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beer, the better for me,
and this little sucker has seven percent.

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Very nice. Yeah, two beers
and one yeah. Absolutely. You know

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when I shop for beer now,
when I'm buying beer, I'll look at

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the alcohol percentage really before anything else. I hire better, baby, get

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your money's worth. See. I've
had some that were pretty high there that

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tasted like absolute shit. Some are
pretty bad. Yeah, some are pretty

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bad. But for me like the
hopier, the hoppier, the better.

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I like the hoppy beers super cheap. I am drinking honey brown. Do

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you know what that is? I
lost you there? Would you say?

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Oh? I said, I am
drinking honey brown? Okay, honey brown?

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I'm not sure I know what that
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It's not like a light beer,
it's not a dark beer. Somewhere in

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between has like a slight honey after
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absolutely love it. Plus it's ten
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that's good man. Yeah. Yeah, most beer here is a little pricey.

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I mean fuck, even Miller Lighte, which is my usual go to

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if anything. Uh, it's it's
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of cans. Oh yeah that's all. Yeah, ten bucks for that.

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It's pretty good. Yeah, and
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Yeah. This Voodoo Ranger was on
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and if it's every one sale,
I'll get it because it's super delicious and

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it's seven percent and it gets me
shitty and I love it. So how

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many do you get for fifteen?
A twelve pack? Okay, that's that's

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actually really good for for one of
those. Yeah, not too bad.

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This is pretty crafty. Yeah,
I think it's regular. It's usually like

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eighteen, but yeah, I know. If I see it on sale for

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fifteen though, I'm like, all
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with me. Yeah, yeah,
definitely. So we have similar taste in

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beers, love the crafty stuff.
Do you guys have total wine up there?

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I don't think. So, it's
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depot of liquor and beer. It's
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place, and they just have anything
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think of. They have it,
and they have this. It's amazing.

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I get lost in there and they
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like hours and just in this one
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want to. It's like a it's
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the human society. I want to
take you all home. Wait, do

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you do you have like a do
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Here, Giant Eagle has a build
your own six pack? Okay,

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they have loose craft beers in local
breweries and stuff like that. And you

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can build a six pack for ten
ninety nine. Oh nice, like really

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crafty stuff. Yeah, you can
put one different for each one in there

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takes home six different beers and triumph. Oh. I like that. It

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is it is really nice. I
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lot of beers that sound amazing.
But marn't right right, that is cool

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there, there's like okay, so
I'm getting off topic. I'm sorry.

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We're talking about beer for two hours
of the show. There's a little there's

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a little place down here called Riverside
Market and it's like a little hole in

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the wall, like a little bar. They start pizza and stuff, and

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but it's mainly like like a crap
crap beer thing. So their whole thing

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is they have like these just cooler
you know, like you open up a

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cooler and not a cooler, but
like a glass door, and then you

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know there's beers behind it, like
a like a big cooler of beers.

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Yeah, and I mean there's hundreds
of them. So what We'll go there

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and we'll be like, all right, you have to go say four three

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two, So that means you have
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the fourth fridge kind of thing,
and you open that up and then you

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have to go to the sixth shelf
or whatever I said, and say four

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six three you have to go to
the sixth shelf, and then you have

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to put the third beer from that
shelf whatever it is you have to get

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and you have to drink that.
Interesting. Yeah, it's kind of cool.

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So we discovered many many kinds of
new new ship, like that new

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beer. I love stuff like that. It's just fun. Man, you're

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out hanging out, you're drinking,
You're like, all right, four six

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three, all right, you gotta
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gonna get. H It's kind of
cool. Do you have like, um

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draft houses there? Yeah, yeah, yep, I fucking love those,

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yesque Man best. We have some
breweries, a couple breweries down here,

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like the local local breweries. Um, Funky Buddha is down here. I

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think that that's a pretty popular beer. I think outside of Florida. I've

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heard of it, but I don't
think I've ever actually tried it. Yeah,

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the breweries, the breweries down here. It's kind of cool. Cool

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place. We'll have to send each
other a beer at some point. We

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have Harley David. It's in brewery
here. Oh nice. Nice. They

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have this, Um they have this
ah fuck. I can't remember what the

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name of it is, but it's
like a cherry beer. M good lord,

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it is amazing nice like good No, I'm sorry. One of my

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favorite beers on the planet is Sam
Adams cherry wheat. I like that one

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a lot too. Oh that's so
good. There's like there's a little treat.

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You know, it's pretty expensive even
for the six packs. Yeah,

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but yeah, yeah, Sam Adams
cherry wheats, it's one of my go

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toos. Good stuff. That's one
of my absolute favorites too. And I

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love their summer ale yes. Yes, they have, you know, during

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the winter. I like darker beers. They have two different ones that come

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out for like Christmas time. One
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other one tastes like a pine tree. And I can never remember which one

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it is. I'm trying to think
because yeah, I know they have a

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like a winter ale yea and they
have a Christmas one, but I can

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never remember which one. Tastes like
you just licked the pine tree. Oh

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shit, that's good. So now
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bit, or like if we go
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hasn't happened in quite a while,
I'll ask for like one of the little

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testers. Yeah, that's always really
nice. That's how I found um,

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the Travelers Pineapple shandy. No,
that sounds delicious. Pineapple is it's like

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a pina colada in beer form.
It was very, very good. They

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have Travelers always has good beer.
Though I don't know if I'm familiar with

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that. I don't know where they're
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like beer that's made from fruit.
Oh I love that. And they do

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have some very hoppy ones, like
they have a hops kind of beer that

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they put out that is just beer. It's just hops. They don't have

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any extra like fruit and stuff in
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beers are right, that one is
actually very very good. Sometimes you can

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get a beer that's um that's a
Hops and that has like the pictures of

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the hops all over it and everything. Yeah, and it tastes terrible.

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I'm like, yeah, some some
are bad. Yeah, some of those

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are bad. This one was really
smooth and really good. I've liked all

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of their beers that I've tried.
Nice. Nice. Yeah, this foodoo

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range is pretty happy but it's uh, but it's it's smooth. New Belgium

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has some good stuff. I think
they do fat hire Okay, yeah,

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I think that's New Belgium. But
yeah, good good stuff. Yeah.

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We could all show on beer on
crap Beer. Oh we could, we

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could. That would be a good
bonus episode. Oh what that would be

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a lot of fun. Patreon We're
both going to go buy a random kind

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of beer, one that we've never
tried before, and we'll sit down and

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we'll drink them together. I'll get
one of those variety packs. Yes,

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Yeah, me too. Yeah,
we'll get like six different beers, yes,

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and try them. And it would
be so funny to get like a

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video type thing for that, because
apparently I make some very funny faces,

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but I don't like something that sounds
amazing. We have to do that.

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We're going to do that. I
did a Patreon episode recently and I don't

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even remember what I was talking about, but I was drinking white wine and

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I don't like white wine, and
this was a particularly bitter white wine.

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So every time I took a drink, I think maybe I was no,

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I wasn't live. I don't know
what I was doing, but I would

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make this fucking face every time,
and three people so far I've been like,

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you should do that again. Oh, that's hilarious and love it something

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you don't like, Oh, we
have to do that. And we have

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to find a way to to do
a video call. Yeah, while we're

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testing these beers. That would be
perfect. Yeah, we'll have to figure

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out a way because I know my
husband's computer is right behind me. His

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has an actual webcam on it.
Mine does not. So whenever I want

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to do like a video thing,
I even either have to use my phone

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or I have to use his computer. Okay, but then I also have

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to sit up on like two books
and a pillow. So I'm in frame.

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Oh we got to meet that work
though? That would be great.

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Well, we'll figure that out.
So if you guys are patrons of either

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mine or Johnny's show, you'll probably
see that here soon. Absolutely, that'll

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be fun. That'll be a lot
of fun. So what are we talking

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about tonight? So we were talking
about zombies. Everybody loves zombies. I

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think everybody does. I know a
few people that don't, but everybody has

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seen a zombie movie at some point, right, Absolutely, what's your favorite?

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My favorite? Okay, so I'm
gonna say we were talking about this

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a little bit before we started recording. It's fairly new, but I'm gonna

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say my favorite is Trained to Bissan. That was an awesome zombie movie.

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I loved it. It was just
so well done. It was it was

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just from start to finish it was
so good. Yeah, and Trained to

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Bison. That's on Amazon Prime right
now too, right, I think so

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it was on Netflix a little bit
ago. Oh it's on Netflix. I'm

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gonna check to see I think it
was on Netflix. But they have the

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sequel now and the trailers out for
the sequel, and it was just so

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so so good, so good.
Then, um, you know you have

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your your your comedies like Sean and
the Dead. That's one of my favorites.

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If from ever passing around channels and
I see Sean the Dead, I'm

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gonna probably watch it. Yeah,
yeah, So what about you, what's

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your favorite? It's hard for me
because I love them all. I'll always

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love Dawn of the Dead. I
will always love that one, yes,

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But the ones that I can watch
like over and over and over would have

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to be The Girl with All the
Gifts. So good, that's also on

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Netflix. I highly recommend it.
That was an amazing movie. And of

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course Sean of the Dead. That's
the best funny zombie movie out there,

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so so so good. And then
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Later, awesome. That was a
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too, that was that might have
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to say that might have been the
first zombie movie that I saw where they

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were actually like super fast. Yeah. For me, it was the remake

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of Donna the Dead. That was
the first zombie movie that had really fast

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zombies. Okay, the remake was
that with them? Was that the one

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with being Rahims? Was that that? I have no idea, It's been

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a long time since I've watched it. I remember the one zombie coming around

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the side of the mall that had
one arm, and it was like an

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Asian guy that was just booking it
towards the doors that they were trying to

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shut, and he got like his
arm that had been ripped off inside the

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doors, and that scared the shit
out of me. You're right, yeah,

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yeah, that was They were fast
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scarier the slow just trundling along zombies
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it's definitely the fast ones. Same
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least, you know, I'm not
worried about you know, you're worried about

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so many things with the slow ones, like a horde coming at you,

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coming out all different angles and stuff. Yeah, but the fast ones you

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have no chance, I think,
or it's much much less. Yeah,

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yeah, super low chance. Um, you know, compared to the slow

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ones. Right, the slow ones
you can you can get away, you

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can run, you can climb something. The slow ones don't seem to be

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that bright as well. Yeah.
The fast ones see, seemed to be

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a little more, a little much
smart, smarter than than than slow ones,

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I think, or at least seem
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like some kind of heightened sense.
Yeah, yeah, but this. Yeah,

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the slow ones, I feel like, you know, just just run

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and get away from them, right, it seems like it would be a

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lot easier to survive. Yeah,
it does, like the fast ones.

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Fuck, man, if you're if
you can't, if you can't run fast,

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you're you're done. I'd be done. I cannot run fast, and

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I cannot run a long time.
I would be screwed. I used to

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be able to run fast, but
now that this quarantine is in place and

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you need like a fucking maniac,
I don't think i'd be able to run

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even a slow one at this point. Well be fucked either way. I

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haven't running fast, and over a
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in high school. Huh, but
then I had my first kid and stopped.

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Oh yeah, running's not fun and
there a lot of people do and

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they get the high or you get
that runners high. No, I'll just

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rather I'd rather walk home and get
the regular high, right, same thing.

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So yeah, trained to Bisson.
They were fast there, the zombies

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were fast. Yes, yes,
they were. Um, twenty twenty days

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later they were fast. Um,
like you said, they remake they were

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what don in the Dead was it? Yeah, they're fast, but I

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think generally they're they're like walking down. Are you a Walking Dead fan?

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I was for quite a while.
Um, the last episode I saw spoiler

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alert for anybody that's trying to catch
up or wants to watch this like your

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ears. The last episode I watched
was when Nigan killed Glenn and Abraham.

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Okay, that's the last episode I
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Abraham was my man in that show. Oh he was so good. I

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loved him too. I loved him. I loved him so much. He

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was my hands down, absolute favorite. Yeah, he was good. But

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then I just kind of stopped watching
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about the characters than the zombies.
It was more drama, less action.

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Yeah, it did turn into like
a like a high school drama show almost.

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Yeah, with the characters. I
still watched. I'm all kind up,

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but it seems like Walking Dead,
like all right, it's great and

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then it sucks for a couple of
seasons and then it gets good again and

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then it kind of falls off.
It really seems like that right now,

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it's it's pretty good, but yeah, that the scene you're talking about where

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they killed Abraham and Glenn Um Glenn. I don't know if you're familiar with

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the with the comics, with the
graphic novels vaguely. I know I read

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a few of them, but okay, they're they're kind of close. Like

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the way Glenn was killed was exactly
like how he was killed in the in

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the in the comics, you know, was I popped out and everything?

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It was like exactly the same.
But then yeah, it was it was

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that was a brutal scene too,
right, that whole it was it was

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that was rough, like that was
on what it's on AMC, and like

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fuck that should have been on HBO
or something that was rough. Right,

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then it gets like you stopped watching
there, and I could totally see that

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because it kind of sucked after that
for a little bit, but then it

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got good and then Rick left.
Yeah another spoiler alert if you guys haven't

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already gave it away, so fuck
you. Um yeah, Rick left and

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I was a big Rick fan,
Like Rick was the show to me.

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He was like the center. Yeah
yeah, yeah, so and then he

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left and I don't know, it's
okay again, but it just comes and

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goes. But those zombies are slow, super slow. And it's funny because

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then the first season they were I
remember Morgan, Rick's friends Morgan, Yeah,

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and he had the son who actually
ended up dying. What Morgan's wife,

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you know, was turned bitten and
turned into a zombie. And there's

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one point where she goes up to
the door and she's trying to turn the

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door knob. Yeah. Yeah,
like they were smarter. And then now

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that they can't even climb over a
fence, you know, like they got

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really dumb. They dumbed him down
really really really much. Well, part

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of this episode is going to be
talking about the science behind zombies. So

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watching that show, watching The Walking
Dead and seeing how they become dumber,

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did you think that might be because
of like brain deterioration. Yeah, it's

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a that's a really good point.
Yeah, I do, because I know

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people are kind of thinking, like
what the fuck, like science behind zombies.

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There is a science behind it,
and we will get into it later

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in the episode, but we're just
kind of hypothesizing with some of our favorite

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shows to see maybe where their heads
were at. But like you're saying,

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the brain deterioration might have some kind
of an impact. Yeah, I feel

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like the longer they're in zombie form, they're going to their whole body is

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just deteriorating. I would think,
so, right, Yeah, that's what

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I would think. I mean,
your brain controls everything, so if that's

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getting eaten away, then like muscle
function, muscle memory, things like that

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are gonna go absolutely. I mean
that makes sense to me me too,

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which is why they're you know,
even slower. They seem to be slower,

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right, slower and this you know, like, yeah, they were

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trying to open doors. Yeah,
that's right, that's that's right, and

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that one they were. They are
and it's different in every movie and in

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every TV show. It is.
It is. So let's talk about like

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the infection time thing. In all
these movies and all these TV shows,

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it's widely different. It could be
a week, it could be a few

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days. It could be minutes,
like and train to Poissan it was like

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minutes. Yeah, it was so
quick, right, So what do you

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think would be scarier somebody getting bitten
and infected and changing within minutes or not

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knowing the timeline a week? So
I think it would be scarier not knowing.

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You know, if somebody was bitten, like trained to Bissan, someone

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has bitten and you know they're going
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of minutes, three to five minutes, then you know, all right,

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yeah, that would that would be
scary to me. Like even in Walking

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Dead, there there were times where
they would it varies. There are times

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were they would changing minutes. And
this is like we're talking about the same

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TV show, the same type of
zombies, right, and there would be

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sometimes would it would take hours or
if not a day or two to change.

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Wasn't there something kind of um that
you noticed about when the person got

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bit, like where they got bit
and how fast they change, like closer

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to the head, closer to the
head, closer to the heart, they

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changed faster versus like on the leg
or on the hand. Yeah, that's

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very true. Yeah, because there
was a couple that got bit, you

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know, a leg. They had
time to even cut their leg off to

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you know where they weren't they weren't
infected. Yeah, that's that's a good

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point. Yeah, closer to the
heart or the head the brain. Do

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you think it would be the heart
or the brain that would that would be

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for the heart, right, the
heart would send everything. Well, I

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would say the brain because the brain
still controls the heart. But in that

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particular TV series, like once the
person died, then they came back right

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right, right right, and they
didn't just change from being loving to now

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a zombie. They died somewhere in
between, right, And that that was

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interesting with that show, you know, The Walking Dead, because it was

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in everybody. You didn't have to
be bit. If you died, you

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were changed. So I thought that
was kind of cool like it And I

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don't know if we've ever learned that
was it like a virus that just completely

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overtook the entire planet that if you
die, you're or was it always It

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couldn't been always in you because if
you died, you know, twenty years

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before you weren't a zombie. Something
had to trigger that. I honestly don't

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know what the Walking Dead if they
ever really said exactly what it was.

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And there's probably people screaming at us
right now, probably, but I'm not.

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I'm not I've watched all of them. I'm not sure. I haven't

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watched it in a few years,
to be honest, Like, I would

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have to go back and rewatch stuff
just to see if I could catch that.

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Yeah, that's interesting because there's some
movies you had to be bitten,

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yeah to turn. In that case, if you just died, you would

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You're you're going to be turned automatically. Yeah, So that would be a

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very different like if we're talking science, that would be a very different virus.

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That would be something that's airborne that
is then triggered once your heart stops,

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once you stop breathing, versus something
that is spread through like bodily fluid,

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right right, right, Yeah,
true. And we'll talk about more

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of that a little bit later too, because there's a lot of different things

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that could potentially turn us into zombies. Since we talked about the infection times,

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have you seen the movie I Am
Legend yeah, I have has been

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a long time, so I can't
really These zombies were basically not really zombies,

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but more like humans with rabies.
And this is a pretty common theme,

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especially in a lot of zombie books, that it's a certain kind of

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a strand of rabies that affects humans
in a certain way. And in that

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one, they couldn't come out during
the day, I think I think it

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was. Yeah, it was during
the day. But then in a lot

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of other zombie movies it's the dead
coming back to life, so where it's

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not a disease, these people aren't
rabbit, they're bad, right, right?

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Which one do you think is more
realistic? Oh? Man, I

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that's hard to say. I think
I think more realistically it would be something

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airborne that that just gets in you. Yeah. Um, But then again,

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you know, being bid, if
somebody has something, even with what's

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going on today, you're going to
give that to somebody else, you know,

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Corona or whatever we're talking about,
right, You're going to give that

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to somebody else. So that's so
realistic too. But then I can also

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see like an airborne thing like you
should you breathe this in it's in you?

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Yeah, that's very true. But
you know, I guess somebody bites

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you because it would kind of be
the same thing. You know, it's

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it's getting from some it's getting in
you from somewhere else, right, So

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say aborn or somebody else. Airborne
is definitely terrifying because there's no protection from

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that, or very little protection from
something like that. Let's assume the zombie

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apocalypse is going to start. People
are going to start getting infected with something

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through bite. Strictly through bite,
it's not airborne, it's passed through bodily

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fluids. Do you think it's more
likely that this virus or this illness would

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have like a Raby's like effect where
the person is still alive but their brain

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is altered in a way where they're
not in control. Or do you think

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it's more likely that it would kill
them and then whatever this virus or fungus

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or whatever it is then takes over
after they die and then animates so that

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they can spread more of them.
Oh, I can totally see an animating

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and spreading. I can see either
one. I totally, I totally can

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see either one. Like air one
is scary, like you said, that

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is some scary shit, but like
being bit and and then your brain just

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yeah, I don't know, it's
so, I don't know, it's scary.

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Have you ever been bit by another
person? Are we talking pleasure or

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for like? The first thing I
thought of was like when my kids were

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going through that little phase where they
would bite. Yeah, shit, fucking

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hurts being bit by another person.
I don't know if it's because our teeth

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are more blunt, but it hurts
way worse than like being bit by a

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dog or a cat or anything like
that. Well I can see that because

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00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:47.880
like a needle so so pointy,
like a cat or whatever animals has pointy

409
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.240
teeth, it's gonna go right through
you. It's gonna hurt, of course,

410
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.359
but not so you know. What
I mean is like you said,

411
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.880
it's a blunt that's gonna just that's
just pressure going through your skin. That's

412
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:01.759
gonna that's pressure in tearing. Yeah
right right, yeah, that yeah cool.

413
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.759
No, I don't know that I've
ever been bitten. I know both

414
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:08.640
my kids went through a little phase
with that, and that just popped into

415
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:14.680
my head as we were talking about
the bites, and yeah, I know,

416
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.640
like like when they were when the
kids were breastfeeding, sometimes they get

417
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.480
a hold on that thing and bite
down. Oh. I never had to

418
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.359
worry about that, So I don't
I don't know about all that, but

419
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:29.720
we usually as toddler's kids tend to
go through this little phase where they'll bite

420
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.720
anywhere from like two to five,
they'll go through that little phase. And

421
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:37.160
some people don't like this, but
both of my kids when they would bite,

422
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.359
if they bit me, I would
bite them back and they never did

423
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.920
it again. I'm with you on
that, man, I for an eye,

424
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.480
and some people aren't too keen on
that. But yeah, it nipped

425
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.680
that problem in the bud real quick. Whatever works. Good lord, did

426
00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:00.839
those little teeth hurt. I could
only imagine adult worn down through years of

427
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:07.319
eating food teeth. Yeah, and
like you, like I said, you'd

428
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:12.400
rather have like a pointy teeth going
through you than than a blunt like like

429
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.240
I said, that's just ripping through
your skin, like just yeah, that's

430
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:21.599
pressure, pinching and tearing. Yeah, not just a pure suck right right.

431
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.519
So it's interesting to kind of analyze
all these little things that we normally

432
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:30.480
don't think about with zombies. I've
never really sat here and thought about the

433
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.559
way it would feel to get bit
what would be more afraid of? You

434
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.480
know right? No, now it's
in my head, like fuck, that

435
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.240
would yeah, to be bit by
human teeth, like an adult human.

436
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:49.119
That would yeah, that would suck. Oh, I just realized I forgot

437
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.720
one of my favorite zombie movies,
zombie Land. I love zombie Land.

438
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:59.240
Everybody loves zombie Land. It's just
so entertaining. I mean, Bill Murray

439
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:04.200
makes an appearance, so right,
have you seen that new one with him

440
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.360
yet? Which I don't remember what
the name of it is, but it

441
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:12.239
is a zombie movie with Bill Murray. Yeah, and they're in like a

442
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:17.440
sheriff's department and it's supposed to be
a comedy. It's out, but I

443
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.039
don't remember what it's called. And
I have not seen it yet, but

444
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.480
I heard it is amazing. No, I have not heard of that.

445
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:31.480
It's supposed to be very zombie Land
esque. Okay, but Bill Murray is

446
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:37.400
in the entire thing. M I'm
gonna have to look it up because I

447
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.320
don't remember what it's called or anything. What was it called it? Dead

448
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:45.840
Don't Die. I'm gonna google it
because I want to know. Now,

449
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:52.519
the peaceful town of Centerville finds itself
battling a zombie horde as the dead start

450
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.360
rising from their graves, starring Bill
Murray. Gotta be it. Yep.

451
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.239
Oh no, I've never heard of
this before right now. I remember seeing

452
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:06.239
the trailer for it, and I
thought it looked so good, and I

453
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.000
think it just came out recently,
but I don't know if it's available.

454
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.039
Oh, it's available on Amazon Prime
for fourteen ninety nine, or on Hulu

455
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.760
with a subscription. Okay, I
don't have Hulu, and I really don't

456
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.920
want to pay fifteen dollars to see
a two hour movie. I'll give you

457
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:30.639
my Hulu information. You can watch
it. Well, I don't drivers in

458
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.559
it too. I guess all right, I'm gonna have to check this out

459
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.880
now. It looks so good.
When I saw the trailer for it,

460
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:45.199
it just looks so damn funny.
Oh it looks good man, Steve Bushemy,

461
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.719
Tom Waits is in it. Adam
Driver. Yeah, yeah, I'm

462
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.599
gonna check this out for sure.
Yeah, Zombie Land is good. Did

463
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.960
you see the second one, Double
Tap? I have not seen Double Tap

464
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:01.440
yet, not nearly as good as
the first one. Was still watchable,

465
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.199
I figured, I mean the first
one was so I mean that was the

466
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:10.159
first of its kind really with big
name actors, right, big name actors,

467
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.239
and then with Jesse Eisenberg with the
rules and then the way they pop

468
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:16.239
the rules up every time, you
know what I mean. They're like,

469
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:21.639
that was so good, so good
it was, and it was and he

470
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.519
was he did so great in that. It was so funny. I love

471
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:29.400
I like him a lot, and
I think he's great. Okay, So

472
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:36.239
why don't we move on from movies
and hypotheticals and talk about some of these

473
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:42.880
articles I found yea because I sent
you too to where these are actual news

474
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:49.159
reports talking about zombie attacks. So
creepy, I know. Now, this

475
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.719
first one I think is the most
famous. Most people have heard of this,

476
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:57.000
and I think it's so funny that
both of these, both of these

477
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:02.320
right occur in Florida, right where
you live. Yep. I was trying

478
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:07.039
to find some from like other areas, and I couldn't. No, just

479
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:13.639
just Florida, Florida, Florida.
And this one, this first one,

480
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.800
I think everybody has either seen the
footage when it first happened or heard about

481
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:22.400
it at some point. This is
the Miami Cannibal. Yes, and the

482
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.360
craziest thing about this is you just
said the footage, Yes, there's footage

483
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:32.119
of Oh that was rough. Yeah, this one was crazy because, like

484
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.239
you said, it's not even Florida. Miami's right here with me, Like

485
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.679
I'm right there. So we heard, you know, immediately when this happened.

486
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:44.360
Man, you know, it was
on the news or something. I'm

487
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.559
in for Lauderdale, which is,
you know, just just north of Miami.

488
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.440
This one was crazy. And the
craziest thing about this whole one,

489
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:58.920
this whole article. Before we sent
this to me, I had no idea

490
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:02.599
that it's turned out not to be
bath salts. Yeah, this was just

491
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.920
like a little side note that they
did for a correction at some point,

492
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.039
and I think it was only in
newspapers. Yeah, because the whole thing

493
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.559
was the bath salts. Oh yeah, basalts. He fucking went not to

494
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:21.039
a bath salts and chewing on some
guy's face exactly. And that's in case

495
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.119
people don't know or don't know what
we're talking about. This is um the

496
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:28.480
attack on Ronald Popo. He was
a sixty five year old homeless man.

497
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.639
He was living in Miami. He
was under the MacArthur Causeway and he was

498
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:39.880
just minded in his own business when
thirty one year old Rudy Eugene just attacked

499
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:45.280
him and he was naked, wasn't
he He was totally naked? Yep.

500
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.039
Okay, so automatic, first thing
you think is drugs. Yeah right,

501
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:55.760
well initially, first thing we all
think is zombie and then we think drugs.

502
00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:02.719
Yes, but this guy showed off
most of Ronald Popo's face over a

503
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:08.599
course of eighteen minutes. Yeah,
like legit ate his face. Yes,

504
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:15.159
he did survive. Ronald Popo did
survive. I mean he's He's underwent an

505
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:22.119
extensive amount of surgery to help repair. But his eyes were gone as far

506
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.760
as I know, his eyes,
nose, and tongue are all gone,

507
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.920
along with a majority of the flesh
from his face. So that reconstructive surgery

508
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.880
has been over a long period of
time. But he did survive. So

509
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.679
it's not an actual zombie virus.
Yeah. True, But this guy nobody

510
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.159
knows what made him do it because
he tested negative for bath salts. The

511
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.920
thing that they claimed made him do
it initially, right, that was that

512
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:54.159
was the whole thing's bath salts.
Bath salts are crazy even you're gonna turn

513
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:59.480
nuts into a zombie, and you
know that's what we were told it was

514
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:04.840
because of bath salts, and then
reading this article, it was not at

515
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:10.440
all that, right, And he
tested negative for any of those drugs,

516
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:20.719
right, So what what would possess
a person to do that if not drugs?

517
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.599
I mean you would think, But
they got those tests, but they

518
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:31.599
didn't announce any correction or anything for
over a month, which over the course

519
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:37.320
of a month, if people have
only heard that this dude was on drugs,

520
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.559
he was on bath salts and he
attacked this poor man, and there's

521
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:45.840
constant news reports about that, and
then there's just one little blurb, they're

522
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.119
still gonna they're gonna completely ignore that
because they've been taught for the past four

523
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.440
weeks that this dude was on drugs. Right, But did you know that

524
00:40:54.840 --> 00:41:00.480
bath salts are still legal in most
places. Yeah, you can still buy

525
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:06.960
them because they're making them in different
ways to where technically the ingredients aren't illegal.

526
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:13.920
Right. Yeah, there was always
a way around. Yeah, but

527
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:19.119
that's what they're doing and that's still
available, and it can cause very aggressive

528
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.480
outbursts, blackouts, things like that, as well as high right, like

529
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:30.199
yeah, and the strength like a
normal strength. Yeah. Yeah, But

530
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:36.000
I thought that was wow, because
I remember when this happened back in what

531
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:40.960
was this May of twenty twelve.
Yeah, yeah, I remember back when

532
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:46.440
this happened and people were flipping their
shit, even here in Ohio, I'm

533
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:52.320
pretty far away from you. Yeah, I can't imagine what people were doing

534
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:58.199
there in Miami after this news hit. Yeah, I remember. It was

535
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.679
a little nuts like on the the
news anyway, so it just look a

536
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.400
little another and it was labeled to
Miami zombie, right, Yeah, that's

537
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.599
what all the news reports were for
that first like month, was the Miami

538
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:14.119
Zombie, and then it switched to
Miami cannibal, and then it just kind

539
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.480
of fizzled out. I was looking
for the video because it's on here,

540
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.199
you know, it gives you a
link to the eighteen minute assault, and

541
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.840
it's not available. I'm sure you
can dig and find it. And if

542
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:29.760
you guys can try to dig and
find this video, you should probably check

543
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:35.199
this out because it's insane. It's
a it's surveillance footage, isn't it.

544
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.800
Yeah, it's not like like up
close to the video of I mean,

545
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:44.400
but you can from what I remember, you can. I remember thinking,

546
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.679
oh my god, right, you
can tell what's going on it's just on

547
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:53.440
this other dude, like and I
just said, he like literally ate his

548
00:42:53.480 --> 00:43:00.039
face off, like chewed his face
off. Man. Yeah, and this

549
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:07.280
poor guy had to live with that
after like, oh dude, oh my

550
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:14.000
god. But the other article I
sent you might actually have something. It

551
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:19.360
might offer some kind of explanation,
at least a possible one. I mean,

552
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.199
we're not going to know because Rudy
Eugene ended up being shot multiple times

553
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.800
to get him to stop attacking this
poor man, right, and he did

554
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.280
pass away. He didn't he didn't
survive that one, so he never got

555
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:35.840
to talk to anybody afterwards and let
them know what was going on through his

556
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.760
head and why he did it.
So we're not going to be able to

557
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:44.480
know. Really, he did test
negative for all of the drugs that they

558
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:51.079
tested him for, nothing like that. So this other one that again happened

559
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:57.000
in Florida, and this one was
in Palm Beach. Yeah. This one

560
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:02.599
was Palm Beach, which is just
um, so you have Miami Fort Lauderdale,

561
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.760
and then just north of that is
is pomp Beach. Okay, so

562
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:15.480
I'm like right in the middle of
that's terrible. So this this was more

563
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.760
recent than the than the last one. This was in twenty sixteen, right,

564
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.280
yeah, and I mean, Jess, reading this, man, when

565
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:29.760
you send me this, I'm like, oh my god, like what all

566
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:34.960
right, I'll let you go on
because I insane to me. Well,

567
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:39.039
this one, the one that did
the attacking, did survive. Austin Herroff,

568
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.960
I don't know if I'm saying that
right, and I don't care,

569
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:49.039
is facing first degree murder charges in
the depths of John Stevens the third and

570
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:55.280
Michelle. Michelle. He this,
this is a crazy one to me.

571
00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:01.400
Like, reading through this, I
was blown away. He was only nineteen

572
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:07.719
years old. Yes, he wasn't
on drugs, but he was found on

573
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:15.360
top of John Stevens, gnawing on
his face and making growling sounds, right,

574
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:22.000
making growling sounds. Yes, And
like you said, like Eugene,

575
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:29.760
nothing tested positive for nothing exactly.
Yeah, but this one, we do

576
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:34.719
have some kind of answer for this
one, at least after he was taking

577
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:39.760
in taken in for psychological evaluation.
He was examined and they gave him the

578
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:47.440
diagnosis of clinical like entropy delusions also
known as werewolf syndrome. Yes, this

579
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:53.079
is something that does actually occur,
and it's not something that occurs in people

580
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:58.920
that are just obsessed with werewolf movies
or you know, have this like delusion

581
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.679
in their mind like I'm a ware
wolf and I change And this can onset

582
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:08.880
at any time for any person and
they're automatically just in this primal state of

583
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:17.679
mind like a wolf. Yes,
so scary. It could offer some explanation,

584
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:24.719
but like he made, there were
no signs of this at all beforehand,

585
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:28.760
right, Like, like you said, just a snap of a finger

586
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:34.199
and I'm a fucking werewolf. I'm
gonna rip your face off exactly. Now.

587
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.639
He was acting a little weird before
all of this, his parents said,

588
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:43.320
but nothing that would make you think, hey, my kid's gonna go

589
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:51.000
now kill two people and eat one
of them, Like yeah, right,

590
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.239
like weird shit, like he was
drinking like cooking a oil. Right,

591
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:58.840
Yeah, it was just stuff that
was just off to where you could tell

592
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.039
he was off. But I mean, even as a parent, if you

593
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:07.159
see your kid is a little bit
off and he starts just drinking some vegetable

594
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:12.119
oil, you're like, dude,
go take a shower, lay down,

595
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.000
right, yeah, let me brush
some chicken wings in your mouth and then

596
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.320
get out of here, right right, You're not going to automatically think that

597
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.760
this is going to be a dangerous
situation to where he's going to put somebody

598
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:28.800
else's life in danger. Right,
You're gonna be worried for his safety,

599
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.320
not for the safety of others.
Yeah, if I found my kid drinking

600
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:38.239
vegetable oil, all right, we're
gonna help you out. Yeah, I'm

601
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:44.320
worried about you eating someone. I'm
worried about you, yes, exactly.

602
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:49.960
But you're not going to think at
all that they're now going to go off

603
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.800
on a cannibalistic attack. Fuck,
no, man, not at no.

604
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:59.000
No. I mean, initially they
thought it was cost by drugs, but

605
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:05.079
all of us talk schology reports came
back negative right again negative, Eugene.

606
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:09.719
Ye. So the similarities here there
are, there are quite a few,

607
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:15.440
but we can't really talk to Eugene
and see you know what happened there.

608
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:22.599
This kid said that he did blackout, right, he didn't remember doing any

609
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.679
of it. Yeah, he,
I mean he said he was he believed

610
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:32.599
he was half dog half man,
Yes, which would explain the growling while

611
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:37.599
he's ripping on this dude's face exactly. But if you black out, say,

612
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:44.400
okay, put yourself in his position
you black out and before it's like

613
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:49.079
no time passes and you come to
and you're staring at police. There's a

614
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.519
guy underneath you covered in blood,
there's some kind of meat in your mouth,

615
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:59.480
and there's chunks missing from him.
Your automatic reaction is to try to

616
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:05.400
make that makes sense. What's the
one way that it would make sense?

617
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.800
What are wolf? Right? Yeah? Right? Right? Yeah? It's

618
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.119
um. I wonder if there's a
full moon that night. That would be

619
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:20.199
interesting to know, like for real, that would be interesting to know.

620
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:22.960
I mean, I don't know.
I don't think that has anything to do

621
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:29.360
with clinical likecanthropy and how it on
sets and how quickly it does, because

622
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.679
it can just be hours between when
the person is totally fine, talking to

623
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:37.639
you on the phone, doing their
normal shit. So when they're attacking somebody

624
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:43.960
or in this state in their house
where they're tearing shit up and growling,

625
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:47.159
and because this is this is something
that happens more than we'd like to think,

626
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.480
right, But I would like you
to know if I mean, did

627
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.000
he start freaking out? Was it
daytime and you know it turned to night

628
00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.599
there was a full moon and he
started freaking out? You know, thinking

629
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.119
is a wa wolf and that's when
he started, you know, growling and

630
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:07.519
then eating this guy's face was I'd
just be really curious to know if there

631
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.960
was a full moon that night.
That that would be interesting to try to

632
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:16.800
find out when when was this with
a second date? Yeah, just I

633
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.000
mean if it's nothing else. But
but you know, schizophrenic like his dad

634
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:27.599
thought he was, um would a
full moon? Man? You know,

635
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.000
I'm not sure. I'm actually looking
up to see what the moon phase was

636
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:36.239
because I mean, if he's nuts, like like schizophrenic nuts, would he

637
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:37.719
I don't know. I'd just be
curious to see if if it was a

638
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.599
full moon that night it was a
waxing gibbus. Yeah, it wasn't a

639
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.880
full moon. It was not.
No, it would have been so much

640
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:51.719
better if it was. I know
it would have. But I mean,

641
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.559
realistically, I mean, mental illness, that's something that a lot of people

642
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:59.559
can't You can't control it. Yeah, No, for sure, I would

643
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:05.960
much rather find out that my child
had schizophrenia rather than like entropy. Yes,

644
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:13.239
those are I mean, schizophrenia can
become violent at some points, but

645
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:19.519
that's mostly because of confusion to where
like entropy is a primal urge to attack

646
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:24.320
or to defend or right, like, can that be can that be helped?

647
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.679
That? Can that be avoided?
Whereas you know schizophrenia, you take

648
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:32.280
this and you take that and it
will help you. Yes, yeah,

649
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.039
you know, is there medicine for
that? I would imagine. I didn't

650
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:43.239
look into that, but I would
imagine there's a treatment out there, because

651
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:47.239
this isn't a new thing clinical,
it's been around for a long time.

652
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.079
Yeah, if it's a real thing, I'm sure there's there's something to combat

653
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:53.880
it, at least, you know, some kind of therapy, some kind

654
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:59.239
of anti anti psychotics or something like
that that would help keep that person in

655
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.519
the right frame of mind. But
that's probably something that they have to look

656
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:07.599
out for or have somebody else look
out for, if they're exhibiting any weird

657
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:13.400
behavior, right, I mean,
even something as simple as drinking some oil

658
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:20.159
or I don't even know what else
you would do. Yeah, now you're

659
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.639
right though, it's something as simple
as drinking oil. Yeah, it's where

660
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.559
I mean your first reaction if I
saw my kid drinking oil, I'd be

661
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.079
like, what did you pick that
up on accident? Like right, right,

662
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.119
but now looking at this article and
stuff, if if I saw my

663
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:38.920
kid drinking oil, I would think
something totally different now exactly exactly, Okay,

664
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:45.199
I'm gonna tell me to tie you
up, exactly. I mean,

665
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:50.960
now it gives you the sense of
something's not right. Yeah, right,

666
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:59.400
right. But now we can't talk
about zombies without mentioning the Haitian zombies because

667
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:04.800
this is where our pop culture kind
of representation of zombies came from. Yeah,

668
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.639
this was a good article too.
I thought this was a really really

669
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:15.559
good one, just because they really
go into the history of it, why

670
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.679
it was, what it was,
what it was caused by. That is

671
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:24.280
what I find fascinating. So the
original Dawn of the Dead, you see

672
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:31.920
the slow kind of shambling zombies right
right right, those were based off of

673
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:39.239
stories that were heard about these these
Haitian zombies, the way those people would

674
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:45.000
act, so straight from this article. This is from Live science dot com.

675
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:50.719
The slouching, flesh eating zombie has
become one of the most in vogue

676
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.119
creatures in current TV and movie offerings, appearing in films like World War Z

677
00:53:54.440 --> 00:54:00.280
and the AMC series The Walking Dead, which we've already talked about. Most

678
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:05.960
rational people scoff at the suggestion that
zombies are real but a number of respected

679
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:10.880
medical experts and academic journals have presented
evidence that zombies are in fact real.

680
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.800
To understand the zombie phenomenon in its
Haitian roots, and appreciation of the practice

681
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:22.400
of voodoo, sometimes spelled in different
ways or pronounced like vodon, is needed

682
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:29.599
a religion based in West Africa.
Voodoo is still practiced in varying forms throughout

683
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:36.119
the Caribbean, Brazil, and American
South and other places with strong African heritage.

684
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:42.840
We don't need to go into voodoo
in particular too much. What we

685
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:46.079
know. I haven't done an episode
on voodoo yet. I do plan to

686
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:52.719
at some point, but I really
want to find somebody that practices. Oh

687
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.840
that would be great. I would
much rather have somebody that actually practices and

688
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:00.599
lives with it and does it talk
about it than me just do the research,

689
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:06.800
you know. But I mean they
use the same kind of things that

690
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:12.280
I do in my practice. It
could be any number of things, pretty

691
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:15.920
much anything you can find. You
can use animal parts, phones, hair,

692
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:22.119
dried plants, shells, minerals,
whatever. Then there's another kind of

693
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:28.599
practitioner of voodoo. They're known as
the book core. These ones are the

694
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:35.480
ones that pretty much can be bought
by people there. Their services can be

695
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:45.000
bought by people for unsavory reasons.
One of these is to produce a powder

696
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:53.159
to turn somebody into a zombie.
Yes, and this is fascinating to read

697
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.639
about. Never in my wildest dreams, but I think to put all this

698
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:02.239
stuff together and all the angry against
that they put into this powder can turn

699
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:12.880
somebody into a zombie. In the
nineteen eighties, Harvard ethnobotanist Wade Davis traveled

700
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:19.039
to Haiti to investigate zombies in this
zombie powder. Now, every bocore kind

701
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:23.679
of has their own recipe for this. They might use some different things,

702
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:31.000
but Davis found that there are five
constant animal ingredients burned and ground up human

703
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:37.960
remains usually bone, a small tree
frog, a segmented worm, a large

704
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:45.280
New World toad, and one or
more species of pufferfish. The most potent

705
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:52.519
ingredient is the pufferfish. This has
a deadly nerve toxin known as tetradoxin,

706
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:59.199
so some of the scientific community have
criticized Davis's research. His investigation was published

707
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:06.639
in nineteen eighty three in the Journal
of Ethna Shit Ethna Pharmacology. Yes,

708
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:15.719
yeah, that's okay. But his
identification of tetratoxin as the active ingredient in

709
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:21.360
zombie powder has considerable scientific merit.
Okay, so they analyzed. He bought

710
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.800
some of this zombie powder and then
brought it back to analyze to see what

711
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:29.960
the hell was in it. He
talked to multiple bow course, these people

712
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:34.400
that were making this powder, and
found that they were all using very similar

713
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:37.559
ingredients, but they might vary a
little bit, right, But those five

714
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:44.679
constant ingredients are just crazy? Yeah, you know that, how do you

715
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:50.039
all come up with that? How
many different scenarios do you have to try

716
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.519
to come up with that? The
tree frog and the puffer fish and you

717
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:59.599
know, well who knows how long
this has been around too, right,

718
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.280
right? And that's yeah, I
mean, it just could have taken so

719
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:06.800
long to figure this out. And
puffer fish, you know, as you

720
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.880
know somebody who fishes and stuff,
they are poisonous. They are delicatessin in

721
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:15.559
some countries, but you have to
know exactly how to filet them without the

722
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:22.480
poison. And they are like delicatesses
in other countries, but they are poisonous

723
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:30.880
pufferfish. And that's where the tetrads
chester tetrad Jesus Christ. I know it's

724
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:35.920
hard. Tet detoxin comes from this
is that puffer fish, and yeah,

725
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:39.760
they are poisonous. They are poisonous. Yeah, and those levels are especially

726
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:45.920
high in their lever eyes and ovaries. So it's not like these people needed

727
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.840
the whole fish. They could just
remove the lever of the eyes and the

728
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:53.760
ovaries, dry those out, and
then turn them into a powder, right

729
00:58:54.320 --> 00:59:00.480
right, right, I mean fish, parts of fish at least dry up

730
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:07.360
really really fast. I've only been
fishing once, but I do remember we

731
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:12.039
caught one fish and by the time
we caught another, I was looking down

732
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:15.320
at the bottom of the boat and
saw the fish and its eyes were already

733
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:21.119
dry, like starting to dry out
and look almost like they were crumpling.

734
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.079
Yeah. Yeah, No, it
doesn't take long in some some fish at

735
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:28.719
all. Yeah. Well this was
like hours later, two because we weren't

736
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:36.119
having much luck. But it's they
would dry out extremely fast, so they

737
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:42.360
would be very likely to be a
good source of this toxin, especially if

738
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.320
you wanted to poison somebody or kill
somebody. Right, It's not such a

739
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:49.119
whole lot of work, no,
because I know if you cook them wrong,

740
00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:52.159
you're you're done. Man. That
you get that poison in you.

741
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.599
That's no joke. Yeah, you
have to know exactly how to flame him,

742
00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:00.519
how to cut that poison out of
them. Yeah, but it does

743
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:05.639
take a certain amount to affect you
really negatively, right right, right right,

744
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.639
Small amounts will basically like get you
high. It causes numbness, tingling,

745
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:15.840
and a This is from the article
not unpleasant sensation of floating. Even

746
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:21.519
euphoria doesn't sound so bad. Actually, no, it doesn't sound bad at

747
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:27.920
all. But I don't know that
line between well it's dangerous and what's not.

748
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.760
So I'm going to stay away from
puff Yeah, if you get a

749
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:38.280
very high dose of this, it'll
cause death within minutes. Your your respiratory

750
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.400
system is just gonna stop. It's
gonna fail. And wonder that is that

751
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:47.280
from one fish? Do you think
I know nothing about puffer fish? Yeah,

752
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.599
I'm not sure. I'm not sure
if you eat one the wrong way

753
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.519
and you could die, I'm not
I'm not. I mean, I guess

754
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:58.719
depending on how big it is,
then they get they get bigger. Yeah,

755
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:00.280
I'm sure. I have no idea
how Yeah, I don't know.

756
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:05.440
I don't know if it would be
just from eating one. So you get

757
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.599
a bad one. You know,
it wasn't cut right, wasn't prepared right,

758
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.480
whatever. I don't know if that
would do that or if it would

759
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:15.280
just make you very sick. Yeah, if you know what you're doing and

760
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:16.280
you're fishing, you're like you cutch
a two pound one, You're like,

761
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:21.320
yeah, we're getting high tonight,
or you know, you're like, nope,

762
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:25.800
we gotta stay away from that.
Let's put this something back. So

763
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:34.199
we talked about like a small dose
and a very big dose. What if

764
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:38.920
it's a big dose but it's not
like enough to kill you. This sub

765
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:45.119
lethal dose, the toxin can leave
a victim in a state of suspended animation.

766
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:50.920
How fucking scary is that? Yeah? Right, Breathing is subdued,

767
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:57.920
barely perceptible by observers. The heart
rate is near zero, but the person

768
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:05.599
remains conscious and away but is not
able to speak. Oh my god,

769
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:13.639
Oh my goodness. Right. I
didn't realize they were conscious and aware for

770
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:16.480
some reason, Like I read through
this, but I kind of like skimmed

771
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:22.440
through it because I thought I knew
about this. I didn't realize they were

772
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.920
conscious and aware of what was going
on. I thought they like went to

773
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:31.760
sleep, like passed out. Can
you imagine being conscious and like aware of

774
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:37.559
what's everything that's going on? No? No, oh god god no,

775
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:45.880
So well that's fucked up. Yes. So, according to Davis this and

776
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:50.880
Investi gave it one over there and
other observers, a person who was exposed

777
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:57.400
to a certain amount of zombie powder
containing tetra detoxin can slip into a vegetative

778
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:04.159
state resembling death shortly after. This
person is buried and then their body is

779
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:10.239
exhoomed by a bocor. So the
exzoom zombie suffers from oxygen deprivation caused by

780
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:15.199
their limited breathing inside the coffin,
and because their lungs aren't breathing in air

781
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:22.199
like normal, why they have this
toxin running through them. The bocor then

782
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:30.039
has control over them by continually administering
a second drug, and it's a psychoactive

783
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:37.760
compound derived from the gimson weed.
This second drug causes delirium and disorientation,

784
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:45.239
rendering the person incapable of normal functioning. So after this happens, they can

785
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:54.599
do very basic tasks right like working
on a sugarcane plantation. It's a very

786
01:03:54.599 --> 01:04:00.639
repetitive task. And this was a
huge, huge thing. Haiti. They

787
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:04.079
were finding a lot of these people
that had been exposed to this zombie powder

788
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:10.920
and then the jimsonweed. And we're
working on these these plantations because it was

789
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:15.800
very repetitive work. It's the same. Yeah, they're just doing the same

790
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:24.920
thing. Or oh, man,
like that's all. Oh that's scary exactly.

791
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:32.840
I mean it's one thing to imagine
going through it. But imagine that

792
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:41.280
you buried your sister. Okay,
very sad they died, but three years

793
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:48.679
later you see them walking around.
Yeah, and this actually happened. Oh,

794
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:54.880
under control of this book or yes. Now. The British medical journal

795
01:04:55.039 --> 01:05:01.000
The Lancet published three accounts of zombification
in nineteen ninet seven. In one case,

796
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:05.760
a woman who was presumed dead and
was buried in a family tomb reappeared

797
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:14.000
three years later. She was positively
identified by several family members in townspeople after

798
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.719
a local court authorized the opening of
her tomb, which was full of stones.

799
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.079
Her parents were undecided whether to take
her home, and she was admitted

800
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:28.159
into the psychiatric hospital. Oh that
is sad, that is man. She

801
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:33.239
got out and then was oh my
god, I wouldn't be trusting the deaths

802
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:41.039
of anybody, No, so full
of stones. Her tomb was full of

803
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:45.400
stones. So basically they took her
out because they knew she was still alive

804
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.880
there because of it, and they
replaced it so that if anybody picked up

805
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:54.079
this this coffin, it would way
like, Yeah, you'd think a person

806
01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:58.400
wasn't You would feel like somebody was
in there. Yes, that's some planning

807
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:09.119
Jesus Christ's yeah, that's insane.
Yes. Now this occurs even still today

808
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:14.599
in parts of Haiti. It's usually
the much more rural parts, but it

809
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:20.800
still happens from time to time where
somebody will bury somebody and then they'll pop

810
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:27.000
back up years later. Because what
these these bookors do is right after you

811
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:30.400
bury somebody, okay, like even
here, if you bury somebody in a

812
01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:34.119
cemetery, the ground is disturbed,
it's all torn up and everything. Well,

813
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:39.719
after everybody goes home after the funeral
that night, the bookcor comes back,

814
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:44.079
digs it up, takes the person
out, and then puts the dirt

815
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:47.400
back in the grave. Right,
it looks like nothing happened. So somebody

816
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:51.119
comes back the next day it looks
the same. Yeah, it's not like

817
01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:56.400
they're doing this two months later and
you know, shit's disturbed. It's no,

818
01:06:56.519 --> 01:07:00.880
it looks the same, right,
exactly right. Now they have changed

819
01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:05.320
a lot of laws there in Haiti
to try to help these people, but

820
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:12.119
it's still it's still an issue.
It's not near what it used to be.

821
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:15.679
It has gotten a lot better,
but a lot of these cases where

822
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:21.920
people were found years later and they
were just like shambling through the town and

823
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:28.199
didn't look at anybody. They were
just like an empty shell. This was

824
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:32.800
the inspiration for a lot of our
modern day zombie movies. Right. These

825
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:38.480
people that are just saying through the
town, are they've been fucking brought up

826
01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:45.079
from graves exactly right, that's like, oh my god, and most likely

827
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:50.920
after this tetri To talks in and
the second terrific drugs, they don't really

828
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.400
know what's going on or who they
are or what they're supposed to be doing.

829
01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:02.599
Right, they're just the book Coors
control, right, just like yeah,

830
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:08.960
they're they're very um like a zombie. If you take away all of

831
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:14.239
your ambitions and all of your hopes, you'd be very easy to control,

832
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:20.079
right, absolutely right. So they're
shown how to do one very simple task.

833
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:25.600
It's usually some kind of labor intensive
task, that nobody else wants to

834
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:30.600
do. And they just do that
over and over and over and over until

835
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:38.680
they're no longer needed. That's it, and that's it, and nobody knows

836
01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:42.600
because their family already thinks they're dead. They're not going to be looking for

837
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:47.520
them, right. Yeah, out
of all the articles you sent, that

838
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:53.479
dead is reab as folk to me. Yes, it is, because you

839
01:08:53.520 --> 01:09:00.359
said the boy Well, usually in
the book course are just employed void temporarily

840
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:06.800
to get this process started. And
then this this person goes somewhere like most

841
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:13.720
often a plantation, to then just
work the fields. Wow for the plantation

842
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:16.760
owner. And the owner of the
plantation is the one that most likely paid

843
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:25.760
the bocore see that grave right yep, So they're paying for slave labor,

844
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:35.800
right Jesus. And that that's real. Yes, yes, that has happened.

845
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:43.680
Man, we're you going to get
into more real stuff. This I

846
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:47.359
mean, as sad as it is
when you think about it, and you

847
01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:51.399
kind of wonder how much this person
is actually suffering. We can't really tell,

848
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:57.439
especially with the psychotropic drugs and not
knowing what's going on. It's one

849
01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:00.319
way to get it. Did they
even know? Yeah, they don't even

850
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.399
know what's going on. They don't
even know who they are. In comparison

851
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:08.800
to some of the other some of
the other ways that zombies could occur,

852
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:13.399
it's it's down on the bottom of
the worry scale for a lot of us

853
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:18.239
because this is going out now.
The issue in Haiti, with the Haitian

854
01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:23.199
zombies in the Bocors, it's not
as much of an issue anymore. It

855
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:28.079
still happens, but you don't have
to worry about going to Haiti and never

856
01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:31.319
coming back and being a zombie like, right, you don't have to worry

857
01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:39.319
about that. But there are things
in nature now that are evolving and changing

858
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:45.279
that could present a very large issue
later. And it's not the responsibility of

859
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:51.520
people, like it's not people intentionally
doing this, it's just nature. Right.

860
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:56.399
There's no bullcre you know, being
in somebody now they're grays in this

861
01:10:56.439 --> 01:11:00.840
situation, yes, But some of
the stuff we're going to talk about now,

862
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:09.680
there's no bookcore, there's no plantation
owner, there's there's no funeral,

863
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:16.960
there's nothing right that stuff doesn't happen, there's no plan. So there are

864
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:24.439
a lot of things in nature that
don't affect us as people as human beings,

865
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:30.239
but affect other organisms around us in
a way that if it were to

866
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:34.079
evolve just a little bit in a
lot of cases, it could be a

867
01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:41.039
huge concern for us. This article
is from Science News for Students dot org.

868
01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:45.159
I found the same things in a
lot of different articles, but this

869
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:48.960
one had all of them in one, you know, right, And that's

870
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:53.319
why I sent this one in particular
to you, because they did talk about

871
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:58.000
all of the ones, at least
the big ones that occur in nature,

872
01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:03.079
that I would have had to send
you like six articles, right, bunch

873
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:10.479
of yeah, yes, because realistically, we don't we don't have to talk

874
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:15.960
about this super super in depth because
we're already at an hour in fifteen minutes,

875
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:20.399
you know, damn really yeah,
okay, yeah, so I figured

876
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:25.880
we wouldn't need to talk real in
depth about all of these things. Of

877
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:29.279
course we're going to talk about them, but we don't have to get into

878
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:34.920
the super in depth science that could
cause these display to us and you know

879
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:40.359
all that stuff, right right,
Yeah, but this is real and that's

880
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:46.079
scary. Yes, yeah, this
this opening paragraph to this, I read

881
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:48.279
it and I already knew this was
going to be the one that I was

882
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:54.399
going to use It's like you're reading
a movie script exactly. It's like the

883
01:12:54.920 --> 01:13:00.039
movie Yeah Crazy. A zombie crawls
through the forest. When it reaches a

884
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:05.560
good spot, it freezes in place. A stock slowly grows from its head.

885
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:11.840
The stock then spews out spores that
spread, turning into other zombies.

886
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:16.680
I mean, how cool is that. It's definitely plot for zombie movie.

887
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:23.840
Yeah, it's the opening of a
but this is a thing that actually happens.

888
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:28.479
But this doesn't happen to people.
It happens to ants. This is

889
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:31.880
a type of fungus. Yes,
so far, so far, But this

890
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:39.600
particular type of fungus infects other ants
so that this cycle can keep going.

891
01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:45.239
In order to grow and spread,
the fungus has to hijack an ant's brain.

892
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:50.840
It seems weird, but it's not
unusual. The natural world is full

893
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:59.920
of zombies under mind control. There
are zombies spiders and cockroaches that babysip developing

894
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:06.479
wasp larvae until the babies devour them. There's zombie fish that flip around and

895
01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:12.159
dart towards the surface of the water. It seems like they're begging for birds

896
01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:17.560
to eat them. There's zombie crickets, beetles and praying mantces that drown themselves

897
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:23.119
in water. Zombie rats are drawn
to the smell of the pea of cats

898
01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:28.760
that might actually just eat them.
All of these zombies that occur in nature

899
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:33.640
have one thing in common, and
that's parasites. As soon as they say

900
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:41.800
parasite, I gets chills. Right, that is one thing that freaks me

901
01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:47.520
out so bad. Something living off
of you or living inside you, completely

902
01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:54.880
dependent on you. Right, that
is apparently one of my fears. No,

903
01:14:55.399 --> 01:15:03.960
that is scary as shit, because
that is anything that's real. Yeah,

904
01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:08.880
exactly, And that's why it is
very scary, because you can't control

905
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:15.000
these parasites. Now, parasites,
they can live on or in another creature.

906
01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:19.720
The parasite might be a fungus,
a worm, another tiny kind of

907
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:27.399
creature. All parasites eventually weaken or
sicken their hosts. Sometimes the parasite kills

908
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:32.239
or even eats its host, but
death of the host isn't the freakiest goal.

909
01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:38.960
A parasite might get its host to
die in a certain place or be

910
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:44.119
eaten by a certain creature. In
order to accomplish these tricks, some parasites

911
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:49.079
have evolved the ability to hack into
the host's brain and influence its behavior in

912
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:59.439
very specific ways. Oh yep,
just death sends hack into somebody, hack

913
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:05.079
into your brain is so scary,
I know, parasites or anything. Just

914
01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:09.600
that's something that can happen to your
brain. That is it. You're You're

915
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:16.399
done that. It's terrifying, control
whatever you do. Yes, yes,

916
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:21.159
yes, yes, I don't like
that at all. So how do parasites

917
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:28.920
turn these insects and animals into the
almost dead? Every parasite has its own

918
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:34.279
method, but the process usually involves
altering chemicals within the victim's brain. Researchers

919
01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:40.359
are working hard to identify wish chemicals
are involved and how they end up so

920
01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:46.039
bizarrely altering the host behavior. I'm
not sure if I am comforted or alarmed

921
01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:54.640
by scientists working on this, right
do yep, if you're working on this,

922
01:16:54.840 --> 01:17:00.119
you know something. Yeah, well, conspiracy brains kind of take that

923
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:04.680
to a new level. Yeah,
true, yes, So a fungus doesn't

924
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:12.000
have a brain. Worms and single
celled critters obviously aren't very smart. Yet

925
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:16.920
somehow they still control the brains of
larger and smarter animals. It blows my

926
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:27.039
mind, says Kelly Weiner Smith.
I hope that's not Weener Smith. She's

927
01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:31.199
a biologist who studies parasites at Rice
University in Houston, Texas. She is

928
01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:38.119
particularly interested in zombie creatures. True
zombies, she points out, aren't exactly

929
01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:42.520
like the type find in horror stories. In no way are these animals coming

930
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:46.479
back from the dead, she says. Most real zombies are doomed to die,

931
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:53.039
and some have very little control over
their actions. The horsehair worm,

932
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:57.239
for instance, needs to emerge in
water, so to make this happen,

933
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:01.399
it forces its insect host to leap
into a lake or a swimming pool.

934
01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:08.000
Often the host drowns. So that's
it's a common thing when you look at

935
01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:14.159
these these parasites. In order to
release their eggs or to reproduce, they'll

936
01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:20.239
they'll make whatever they're infecting do something. It even happens with us, like

937
01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:26.720
there's I can't remember what parasite it
is, but a lot of people get

938
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:31.560
it and then it'll cause intense pain
and their feet in their legs, so

939
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:36.880
that that really bad pain makes you
go sit in water, put your feet

940
01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:43.039
in water to try to just cool
the pain that's happening. To see that

941
01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:48.880
just a little bit, Yeah,
it's making this host and forcing up forcing

942
01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:54.640
you to do that. Now,
that's a different thing though. That's not

943
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:59.279
altering your brain chemistry and just making
you want to be near water. It's

944
01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:03.760
causing physical pain so that your reaction
is to find water to try to make

945
01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:08.000
it stop hurting. Yes, right, right, right, it is different

946
01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:14.439
yeah right, Oh my god.
But I mean just the fact that something

947
01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:18.359
can have control over you to do
that is scary, right Yeah. This

948
01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:28.000
next one is found commonly in cats. This is Toxoplasma gondia gandhi. It's

949
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:32.479
a single celled creature that can only
complete its life cycle inside of a cat.

950
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:35.880
First, the parasite must live for
a time in a different animal,

951
01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:42.359
like a rat. To ensure this
part time host gets eaten by a cat,

952
01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:48.159
the parasite turns the rat into cat
loving zombies. Wow. So,

953
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:54.159
like, I mean smart enough to
where a cat eats a rat, I

954
01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:59.000
need to get into a cat,
right right? So okay, what's a

955
01:19:59.039 --> 01:20:00.399
cat going to eat a rat?
Okay, so I need to get into

956
01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:06.159
a rat. You're you're get a
kick out of this. I cannot remember

957
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:12.039
where I read it or heard it, but apparently the part of the brain

958
01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:18.760
that this particular guy and guy triggers. It's a lust for the cat.

959
01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:28.119
Wow. Yes, so it's kind
of like this rat is attracted to and

960
01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:33.439
excited by this cat. That's crazy
to me, Like, why can't you

961
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:36.359
just get into the cat? No, you're gonna get into a rat.

962
01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:39.720
The cat wants the rat. The
cat's gonna get the rat, and then

963
01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:43.520
you get in. Can't you just
get into the cat? The whole process

964
01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:47.399
here, it's crazy. See,
this is one keep touching my microphone.

965
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:54.079
This is one that can actually be
passed on to us. That's why they

966
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:58.039
tell pregnant women not to scoop the
litter box and things like that, because

967
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:03.279
that can cause some severe issue.
But it's become kind of like a joke,

968
01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:06.680
especially when you talk about like the
crazy cat ladies and stuff like that.

969
01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:14.520
It's that attraction to the cats.
Wow. Yeah. Even over here

970
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:17.920
says Okay, one parasite causes an
infected rat to become attracted to the smell

971
01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:24.199
of cat pee. This helps the
parasite because it needs a cat to eat

972
01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:29.840
the rat for its life cycle to
continue. That's insane, I know.

973
01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:34.680
It's just a whole wow, like
a whole process. Yeah, and that

974
01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:41.279
seems to be very very common.
There are some that live in fish that

975
01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:44.760
will then fly out of the water, like keep jumping out of the water

976
01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:48.720
over and over, or even beach
themselves in an effort to get eaten by

977
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:56.119
birds so that the birds poop.
An insect might get exposed to this poop,

978
01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:59.439
and then the eggs are on them. A fish eats the insect,

979
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:03.479
repeat, repeat, repeat, right, right, But why why can't you

980
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:06.840
just get right into the cat?
You would think they would just be able

981
01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:12.840
to constantly reproduce inside the cat.
Yeah, you have to get into the

982
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:15.399
rat first, and then the cat
has to get the rat, and it's

983
01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:19.239
so you can get into the cat. It's really interesting how those are so

984
01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:25.000
particular. There's certain steps they need
to do that is crazy to me.

985
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:29.800
I know, just the whole thing
that I mean, Jesus Christ, just

986
01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:33.319
get into the cat. Once you're
in the cat, can't it just you

987
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:35.920
know what I mean? Well,
it does. It'll lay its eggs and

988
01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:41.239
then when the wait, I think
it of the bird one right now,

989
01:22:43.079 --> 01:22:47.680
But I don't know exactly what happens
after it's outside the cat. Like I

990
01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:53.880
know that the it'll lay eggs in
the cat, and when the cat goes

991
01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:58.720
to the bathroom. The eggs and
stuff will be in its poop. Yeah

992
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:00.560
yeah, but I don't what happens
after that. I don't know how it

993
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:08.239
gets around and then back to the
rat. I mean, this is insane.

994
01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:13.000
To be the complete completest life cycle, the parasite must live in time

995
01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:16.239
for a time. Inside that a
different animal sets as a rat to ensure

996
01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:21.039
this part time host gets eaten by
a cat. So you get in there.

997
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:25.199
You get in there hoping you're gonna
get eaten by a cat, because

998
01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:29.760
that's the what you can infect,
you know what I mean? Yeah,

999
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:31.319
Like, what if you get into
this rat and the cat doesn't eat you,

1000
01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:35.479
and then there's just a waste of
time. Oh I'm just getting in

1001
01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:39.439
here for the cat to eat me. Well, this, this whole little

1002
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:42.680
conversation right now is kind of shedding
a little bit of light on what it's

1003
01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:46.279
like to be a podcaster and what
our search histories are. Like, Oh

1004
01:23:46.399 --> 01:23:49.680
my god, you get so deep
in this ship man. Had I been

1005
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:55.840
doing this on my own, my
search history would have said something about how

1006
01:23:55.880 --> 01:24:01.439
does Toxoplasma gondhii leave a cat's poop? I would have been googling stuff about

1007
01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:08.319
parasites and catsh it. Oh yeah, absolutely, it's you get into a

1008
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:13.159
hole and you can't get out of. Yes, yes, absolutely. Our

1009
01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:18.600
search histories are a mess. I
fear sometimes for my safety with my search

1010
01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:25.399
histories. Oh my goodness, my
home. My husband will look once in

1011
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:28.960
a while, not because he doesn't
trust me or anything like that. He's

1012
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:30.840
just curious. I think it's a
kick out of it once in a while.

1013
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:34.800
Yeah. Yeah. And then like
he'll do it when I'm sitting right

1014
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:39.640
there, and then he's looking at
me out the side of his eye,

1015
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:45.560
like, what in the hell is
wrong with you? What are you looking

1016
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:51.399
at? Man? Why did you
google this? Oh that's so true.

1017
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:55.640
Oh man, I want to do
a show on pizza Gate, so so

1018
01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:59.119
bad you want to do one on
pizza Gate? Yeah, but I'm so

1019
01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:01.800
scared to death of the happy looking
at my search engine. And when I'm

1020
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:05.479
looking up, I wouldn't worry about
that. I mean, oh my god,

1021
01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:10.640
I can get into some deep shit
there. We're not We're not those

1022
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:15.079
big shows that could realistically draw their
attention. They don't care if we talk

1023
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:17.640
about it. True, you know, but part of me is like,

1024
01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:20.960
oh my god, what am I
looking at? Here. I will fall

1025
01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:28.680
down those rabbit holes, no problem, it's hard not to. These next

1026
01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:35.399
ones are the ones that freak me
out a lot. The fungus. Yeah,

1027
01:25:38.920 --> 01:25:45.880
in Thailand, there's a species of
fungus Ophio cortesceps. They can force

1028
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:53.880
an ant to climb almost exactly twenty
centimeters about eight inches up a plant to

1029
01:25:54.039 --> 01:26:00.760
face north and then bite down on
the leaf and it may they aunt do

1030
01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:04.439
this when the sun is at its
highest point in the sky. This provides

1031
01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:10.880
ideal conditions for the fungus to grow
and release its spores. So this is

1032
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:14.119
another thing like you were talking about
the cycle with a rat and the cat

1033
01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:18.880
and right this whole thing. This
fungus makes the ant climb up the bottom

1034
01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:25.399
side of a leaf that is exactly
twenty centimeters off of the ground and facing

1035
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:31.359
north, right at exactly noon or
the highest point in the sky. When

1036
01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:35.319
you say it out loud, it's
crazy. I know, that's insane.

1037
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:43.600
A fungus does that, A mushroom
fungus. That's kind of what they look

1038
01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:46.600
like. They look like a little
mushroom stem coming out their head. Yeah.

1039
01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:54.039
So biologist Karissa Debecker wants to better
understand how that fungus exerts that mind

1040
01:26:54.079 --> 01:27:03.520
control over the ants. Again,
scientist investigating this this is one of those

1041
01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:11.800
things that one small mutation and it
can start moving on to much larger animals

1042
01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:16.439
than just ants. Right, So, she and her team have been studying

1043
01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:24.279
a species related to this fungus in
Thailand. This United States cousin is a

1044
01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:30.920
fungus native to South Carolina. It
too forces ants to leave their colonies and

1045
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:35.039
climb. These ants, though,
bite down on twigs instead of leaves.

1046
01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:39.439
This is likely due to the fact
that the trees and plants in the state

1047
01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:42.920
lose their leaves in the winter,
so they have them here in the US.

1048
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:50.079
Right. Yeah, So she began
to study these ants at the Pennsylvania

1049
01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:56.960
State University in University Park. There, her team infected a few species of

1050
01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:01.079
ant with the South Carolina fungus.
The pair site could kill all of the

1051
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:06.479
different ants she introduced to it,
but the fungus made plant climbing zombies only

1052
01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:12.680
out of species that naturally infects in
the wild. So it's like it could

1053
01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:21.319
read what these ants natural habitat was
like, right, Oh, my goodness,

1054
01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:27.359
yeah, only out of the species
that it naturally infects in the wild.

1055
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:36.439
Oh, boy, that's that's worrisome. That it's scary. Now.

1056
01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:41.439
They do go on to talk a
little bit about how they're examining these ants

1057
01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:47.600
and stuff like that and removing their
brains. The researchers kept the ant brains

1058
01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:54.239
alive in a small petri dish.
When the fungus was exposed to its favorite

1059
01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:58.159
brains, that is, ones from
the ants that naturally and that it naturally

1060
01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:03.359
infects in the wild, it released
thousands of chemicals. Many of these chemicals

1061
01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:10.319
were completely new to science. The
fungus also released chemicals when exposed to unfamiliar

1062
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:15.920
brains. These chemicals were completely different. They did publish their results in twenty

1063
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:18.720
fourteen. I wonder if I can
at some point try to find that paper.

1064
01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:24.439
I probably won't be able to understand
it. But thousands of chemicals,

1065
01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:29.960
many of which were completely new,
that's just baffling to me. In this

1066
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:33.880
line from the next paragraph, is
I mean as a zombie movie lover and

1067
01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:41.479
sometimes has nightmares about them. This
is concerning the experiments at Penn State by

1068
01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:45.760
Debecker's team were the first to create
ant zombies in the lab, and the

1069
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:50.840
researchers only succeeded after setting up artificial
twenty four hour cycles of light and darkness

1070
01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:57.399
for the zombies and their parasites.
It will take more work to learn how

1071
01:29:57.439 --> 01:30:01.199
the parasites chemicals lead to zombie behavior. You're an ants. We are very

1072
01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:08.159
much in the beginning of trying to
figure this out. Jesus, this just

1073
01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:11.039
makes me think it's way more likely
for us to have a zombie apocalypse.

1074
01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:16.039
It really is. Man. They're
creating ant zombies in a lab, yes,

1075
01:30:16.359 --> 01:30:21.000
let's say that out allowed, and
they're analyzing these chemicals that are making

1076
01:30:21.399 --> 01:30:28.279
the fungus be able to turn these
these ants right into whatever it is they're

1077
01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:33.279
doing. But I don't know if
this chemical is just something that affects the

1078
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:38.840
ants, or if it's some kind
of signal back to the fungus so that

1079
01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:43.720
they know what kind of ant it
is, where it's from. How How

1080
01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:48.039
is this now going to change and
evolve, especially now that it's being experimented

1081
01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:54.479
with, right, I don't know. Man, that's we have people at

1082
01:30:54.479 --> 01:31:00.479
Penn State, Yes, creating ant
zombies in a lab like legit. Yes,

1083
01:31:00.399 --> 01:31:06.840
well, oh wait, she now
studies ant zombies at Ludwig Ludwig Maximilian

1084
01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:14.760
University in Munich, Germany. Thank
god. There she is now probing how

1085
01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:20.000
that daily cycle of sunlight in darkness
affects zombification. We're gonna have the girl

1086
01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:25.680
with all the Gifts scenario going on
around here. Oh dude, twenty years

1087
01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:30.640
from now, that same that chick's
gonna be sitting in the classroom all chained

1088
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:33.960
up and ship Oh yeah, oh
yeah, definitely. Oh my god,

1089
01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:42.439
Oh is hot as shit in this
room. It is tot a shit here

1090
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:46.840
in South Florida. I just spilled
beer. It was like ninety seven.

1091
01:31:47.159 --> 01:31:51.600
They fell, like ninety seven that
It's so gross. Why do you live

1092
01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:56.319
there? I know it, I've
lived her all my life. It seems

1093
01:31:56.319 --> 01:32:00.560
like I can't get out. Well, I mean, I live in a

1094
01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:04.039
place where the wind hurts your face
in the winter, so oh yeah,

1095
01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:09.359
see, I like being cold way
more than I like being hot, though,

1096
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:14.079
yeah, I do not like being
hot. Like we just started opening

1097
01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:17.640
the pool today, and oh my
goodness, I cannot wait to get in

1098
01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:23.039
it. But come like three weeks
from now, I'll be over summer.

1099
01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:30.119
Yeah yeah, yeah, it gets
very humid here. Oh it's so humid

1100
01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:33.640
here. You walk out and you're
just gross with sweat and like, you

1101
01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:40.439
know, greasy walk from from my
condo to the car, and I'm like

1102
01:32:41.079 --> 01:32:45.439
soaking wet with greasy sweat. It's
so disgusting. That sounds gross. Oh,

1103
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:49.520
I hate it. There's nothing in
me that wants to go to Florida.

1104
01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:55.359
Oh, I don't blame you.
I'm terrified of the ocean. The

1105
01:32:55.399 --> 01:33:00.239
ocean is scary. Yeah, yeah, I'm not a fan. If she

1106
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:04.159
was down there, it's really scary. Yes, absolutely, m hmm.

1107
01:33:04.760 --> 01:33:14.399
Okay, So now we're onto soul
sucking wasps. Yes, oh god,

1108
01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:19.760
pretty good because now we're dan want
to murder hornets? Yes, down in

1109
01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:26.000
the States. So I had no
idea there was a kind of wasp that

1110
01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:31.439
did this. I mean, wasps
are horrible little creatures and they're just the

1111
01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:36.039
biggest pain in the ass. But
I didn't know they were also parasites,

1112
01:33:36.760 --> 01:33:42.800
right right, I mean it explains
a lot. They're terrible, but of

1113
01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:53.119
all parasites, wasps know some of
the creepiest tricks one wasp mm shit Reckland

1114
01:33:53.159 --> 01:33:58.840
or Vellas nil Sen Senny. That's
pretty good, close enough. One of

1115
01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:02.039
these wasps. They make it easy
for the spider. So this type of

1116
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:09.319
wasp lays its eggs only on orb
weaving spiders. When a wasp larva hatches,

1117
01:34:09.680 --> 01:34:14.680
it slowly SIPs its host blood.
The spider stays alive long enough to

1118
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:18.560
spin a web, but not just
any web. It spins a nursery of

1119
01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:25.720
sorts for the really worm like wasp
baby sucking to its back. The spider

1120
01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:29.399
will even break down its old web
to start a new one for the larvae.

1121
01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:35.199
The new web is stronger than the
normal web. This is from Keizo

1122
01:34:35.600 --> 01:34:46.239
Tokusica to Cut Cut Takasuka Takasuka.
He studies insect behavior and ecology at Kobe

1123
01:34:46.319 --> 01:34:51.800
University in Japan. When this web
is done, the larva eats its spider

1124
01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:56.439
host. Now, the larva spins
a cocoon in the middle of the web.

1125
01:34:56.960 --> 01:35:01.840
The extra strong strands these threads most
likely help the larva stay safe until

1126
01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:08.600
it emerges from its cocoon ten days
later, and there's more of them too.

1127
01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:14.359
The jewel wasp puts an insect on
the menu it serves up to its

1128
01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:19.319
young cockroach. But before the wasp
larva can chow down, its mother needs

1129
01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:25.479
to catch a bug that's twice her
size. To do this, these people

1130
01:35:25.479 --> 01:35:33.479
cut some freaking hard to say names. They really Frederick liber Sat lib Libra

1131
01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:39.840
Sat. She transforms the cockroach into
a zombie. B Librasat is a neurologist

1132
01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:46.960
who studies how the brain controls behavior. He works at Ben Gurion Gryan University

1133
01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:51.479
in Beersheva, Israel. Beershiva is
a great name for a town, by

1134
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:58.640
the way, beer Shiva. Beershiva
ior like the live in Beersheva. Yeah,

1135
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:02.319
I don't want to live in Israel, but if Ohio or West Virginia

1136
01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:09.520
could have a Beershiva, I'll be
there. The Jewel wasp sting takes away

1137
01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:13.359
a cockroach's ability to move on its
own, but it follows like a dog

1138
01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:18.439
on a leash. When the wasp
pulls on its antenna, Oh my goodness,

1139
01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:25.479
yeah man. The wasp bleeds the
cockroach to her nest and lays an

1140
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:29.920
egg on it. She then leaves, sealing the egg inside the nest with

1141
01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:34.600
its dinner. When the egg hatches, the larva slowly devours its host.

1142
01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:40.640
Being a zombie, this cockroach never
tries to fight, bask back, or

1143
01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:46.039
escape Jesus Christ. So it's kind
of like the Haitian zombie to where they're

1144
01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:49.680
just trained to do one thing.
Or they're being gun around. They have

1145
01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:54.560
no conscious thought, basic right.
They don't fight, bag, they don't

1146
01:36:54.560 --> 01:37:02.239
try to escape. Imagine a fucking
wasp pulling on an antenna, you know,

1147
01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:06.520
of a cockroach and just leaving it. That is just crazy. I

1148
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:11.159
want to see that. There's that
little picture there, yes, in the

1149
01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:16.680
article, but I mean it just
kind of looks like something inappropriates going on.

1150
01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:21.640
It really does. This poor cockroach
in the picture is like on its

1151
01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:27.319
back and all its legs are like
splayed out, and there's this teeny little

1152
01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:32.640
green wasp on top of it.
Yeah, just owning it. Coaches there,

1153
01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:38.039
they're little, they are small,
but they're here. Oh we get

1154
01:37:38.199 --> 01:37:43.680
big ones flying ones here. We
well, ours fly but they're maybe the

1155
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:47.359
size of a dime. Oh okay, we get them like maybe an inch

1156
01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:51.960
an inch and a half long.
And they're called they're called palmetto bugs.

1157
01:37:53.720 --> 01:37:57.199
And it doesn't matter if you're the
cleanest person in the world, Like,

1158
01:37:57.439 --> 01:38:02.079
you can get palmetto bugs cockroaches here. Oh yeah, you can get cockroaches

1159
01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:06.520
here too, very easily. Yeah, it doesn't matter how clean your place

1160
01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:11.359
is whatever, it's just one has
to find a way into your house.

1161
01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:16.239
They creep me out. They're so
gross. And then some fly, some

1162
01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:21.000
some don't fly, some some deal
when you like go to try to catch

1163
01:38:21.039 --> 01:38:25.720
one and start flying, oh fucking
out. Yeah, that's always a very

1164
01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:30.239
unpleasant thing. When something you don't
expect to get up and fly does right,

1165
01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:34.600
You're like, oh, my God, wasn't expecting that. I I

1166
01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:40.279
don't like flying bugs much at all. M I've gotten a few like stuck

1167
01:38:40.279 --> 01:38:45.800
in my hair before, those little
Japanese beetles that eat your roses and stuff.

1168
01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:53.239
I've gotten a couple of those stuck
in my hair before, not into

1169
01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:59.439
it. So this, this next
one, this next wasp has an interesting

1170
01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:03.119
name. Did you see that?
Or am I looking at here? This

1171
01:39:03.199 --> 01:39:11.800
scenario is so creepy the biologists named
a similar wasp, Ampulex dementor, after

1172
01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:18.000
a supernatural enemy in the Harry Potter
series Wow. In these books, dementors

1173
01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:23.720
can devour people's minds. This leaves
the victim alive, but without a self

1174
01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:28.800
or a soul. Although a dementor
is a close relative of the jewel wasp,

1175
01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:33.640
Liversatte notes that researchers are not yet
confirmed that it also turns cockroaches or

1176
01:39:33.680 --> 01:39:40.560
any other insects into mindless slaves.
Libsatt's group has focused its research on figuring

1177
01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:45.000
out what the jewel wasp does to
the cockroach mind. The mother jewel wasp

1178
01:39:45.079 --> 01:39:50.199
performs something like brain surgery. She
uses her stinger to feel around for the

1179
01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:56.520
right part of her victim's brain.
Once found, she then injects a zombifying

1180
01:39:56.760 --> 01:40:02.920
venom all the fight. This is
kind of like a lobotomy, isn't it.

1181
01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:06.800
Yeah, right, it's like a
chemical lobotomy. That's that's what I'm

1182
01:40:06.840 --> 01:40:13.000
getting so far. When liversat removed
the targeted parts of a roach's brain,

1183
01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:16.319
the wasp would feel around for what
was left of the roach's brain with Oh

1184
01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:20.319
wait, the wasp would feel around
for what was left of the roach's brain

1185
01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:25.880
with her stinger for about ten to
fifteen minutes. If the brain was absent,

1186
01:40:26.159 --> 01:40:28.840
or if the brain was present,
the wasp would take less than a

1187
01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:32.319
minute. He notes, this shows
that the wasp can sense the right place

1188
01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:38.159
to inject its poison. So that's
interesting. It's not just going straight for

1189
01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:44.079
the brain and putting something in just
wherever it needs a certain spot, right,

1190
01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:46.600
And how do you know that?
I you know what I mean?

1191
01:40:49.359 --> 01:40:54.880
You feel around for the roach's brain
for ten to fifteen minutes, and the

1192
01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:59.479
brain was present, it would take
less than a minute. Well, the

1193
01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:04.640
only thing I can think is that
it's a natural kind of sense or being

1194
01:41:04.720 --> 01:41:11.359
able to feel where that is.
Yeah, which is crazy to me,

1195
01:41:12.239 --> 01:41:15.960
kind of like when a mother is
in labor but knows when to push.

1196
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:19.760
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you
can't physically feel that you're you're there.

1197
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:25.920
You just know we need to do
this. And we think of insects as

1198
01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:31.479
just nasty, yes, gross,
disgusting. Yeah, they have these instincts

1199
01:41:31.640 --> 01:41:38.680
as well as right. Oh,
that's crazy to me. So that that

1200
01:41:38.920 --> 01:41:43.800
venom that they inject, the venom
might interfere with the chemical and the roach's

1201
01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:49.600
brain called octopamine. This chemical helps
the cockroach stay alert, walk and perform

1202
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:56.439
other tasks. When researchers injected a
substance similar to octopamine into zombie cockroaches,

1203
01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:03.000
the insects again began walking. Jesus. So before they wouldn't just go walk

1204
01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:09.039
on their own. They wouldn't even
move unless being basically shown that they needed

1205
01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:12.680
to move. Yeah. Here,
I'm gonna inject you in with this and

1206
01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:15.199
now you're gonna walk around. Yeah. Hold, they hand follow me.

1207
01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:21.680
Wow, And then they reintroduced this
octop I mean that naturally occurs in the

1208
01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:29.720
roach's brain. So it's like whatever
that was that the wasp injected in there

1209
01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:32.920
just completely blocked it. Right,
But now you inject this and thank you.

1210
01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:38.680
Walk around again. Now this doctor, this Libristat. He says that

1211
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:43.199
this is likely just one piece of
the puzzle. There's still a lot of

1212
01:42:43.239 --> 01:42:46.840
work to do to understand the chemical
process happening in the cockroach's brain, but

1213
01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:51.760
Winer Smith, who was not involved
in the research, notes that Librisat's team

1214
01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:57.520
has worked out this chemical process in
more detail than is available for most types

1215
01:42:57.560 --> 01:43:00.960
of zombie mind control. So he's
made a lot of progress with this one

1216
01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:06.680
example of like a zombie mind control
and nature. Right, but there's so

1217
01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:13.880
many things we don't understand about,
all these other ones that occur none at

1218
01:43:13.960 --> 01:43:16.399
all. Yes, and what do
you what do you do? This guy

1219
01:43:16.439 --> 01:43:19.520
and that's his job, I mean, what do you do for a living?

1220
01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:26.439
Yeah? Oh my god? Right, like yeah, no, no

1221
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:30.239
normal person who like not even me
before I read this article, would ever

1222
01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:35.439
think that anything like that was possible. Right, It's something that we don't

1223
01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:40.119
know a lot about. So of
course, normal people like you and I

1224
01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:45.399
that aren't doctors, aren't scientists,
aren't going to know anything about them.

1225
01:43:45.880 --> 01:43:50.720
I mean, you know about parasites, and we know nature's weird. But

1226
01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:56.920
looking at all these things and knowing
that, aside from like the wasps,

1227
01:43:57.319 --> 01:44:00.479
a lot of these just need to
evolve a little bit to move on to

1228
01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:09.720
other animals, right right, right, that's it's scary, exactly exactly,

1229
01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:14.520
like this type of research is out
there, and fuck, if this type

1230
01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:16.800
of resourch is out there, then
it's real, you know, or at

1231
01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:21.439
least somebody thinks it's real enough to
fucking put money into it and research it

1232
01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:29.800
exactly, and I think can be
useful, but yeah, who is going

1233
01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:34.079
to be using it? Right?
For the normal everyday people. It's just

1234
01:44:34.119 --> 01:44:39.199
crazy to think that there's somebody out
there doing this. Yeah. So,

1235
01:44:39.319 --> 01:44:44.039
uh, we were talking about the
fish a little bit earlier. M That

1236
01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:49.359
same woman that is studying the ants, her specialty is zombie fish. She

1237
01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:59.479
studies California killie fish infected with a
worm another fucking hard name, a worm

1238
01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:04.720
called you have ploor kiss. What
the fuck? It's a worm, It's

1239
01:45:04.760 --> 01:45:10.920
a worm. It's a worm.
It's a parasitic worm. A single fish

1240
01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:15.840
may have thousands of these worms living
on the surface of its brain. The

1241
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:19.239
wormier the brain, the more likely
the fish is to behave Strangely, we

1242
01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:24.399
call them zombie fish, she says, but admits that they are less like

1243
01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:28.520
zombies than the ants, spiders and
cock riches and infected fish will eat.

1244
01:45:29.039 --> 01:45:31.880
They'll still eat normally, they'll still
stay in a group. But it also

1245
01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:38.159
tends to dart towards the surface,
twist its body around, or rub against

1246
01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:42.159
rocks. All of these actions make
it easier for birds to see the fish.

1247
01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:46.880
It's almost like the infected fish wants
to get eaten. And that's like

1248
01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:50.479
we were talking about earlier. These
fish want to get eaten so that these

1249
01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:57.720
parasites can pass into the bird,
right, rats and the calves exactly.

1250
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:01.800
And we're gonna kind of breathe is
over that because we've already talked about it.

1251
01:46:02.239 --> 01:46:06.600
And that's the end of the article. Bullshit this woman win Er Smith,

1252
01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:13.279
we ash Smith. It seems to
be all over the place too,

1253
01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:21.279
right, I mean, California,
South Carolina was the other place. It's

1254
01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:25.680
like we if we see her on
the street, we had no fucking idea,

1255
01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:29.800
but when she goes like a conference. Yeah, you know, like

1256
01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:31.920
one of these conferences. She's like
the ship. Oh my god, you

1257
01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:39.960
gotta sweet up here. We Oh. When there's the picture of the brain,

1258
01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:45.079
it kind of just looks like crumbs. Yeah it does. It looks

1259
01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:48.359
says something I would fucking it looks
like a piece of chicken I was season

1260
01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:54.600
and put in the oven, right, it really does. Yeah. And

1261
01:46:54.640 --> 01:46:59.560
it's like the the uninfected one almost
looks like a bunch of eggs just by

1262
01:46:59.720 --> 01:47:02.319
Yeah. Yeah, and maybe the
eggs got pickled for the other one.

1263
01:47:02.720 --> 01:47:10.960
Yeah, that's weird. Interesting,
very interesting. So zombies are already in

1264
01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:16.039
nature, They're they're already there,
right, it's those are things that would

1265
01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:21.000
just small, one small evolution,
one small mutation. They can now move

1266
01:47:21.039 --> 01:47:26.199
on to larger animals, and then
maybe another small mutation, and they now

1267
01:47:26.199 --> 01:47:30.359
all can move on to us.
They really could. And what was your

1268
01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:34.479
what was the crazy part of that
that for you? Like? Which?

1269
01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:39.840
Which article? Which part of the
article? I really didn't like the wasps,

1270
01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:44.760
but I mean, I just don't
like wasps to begin with. It's

1271
01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:53.399
all unpleasant, it really is.
It didn't necessarily ruin any thing for me,

1272
01:47:53.560 --> 01:48:00.880
But it's just eye opening how many
possibilities there are exactly. Like,

1273
01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:02.920
it's like eye opening to the point
where like, man, I had no

1274
01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:09.079
idea. Yeah, the whole Haitian
thing with the digging up the bodies and

1275
01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:15.760
injecting them with the pufferfish poison too, well, I think crazy. I

1276
01:48:15.760 --> 01:48:20.399
think the pufferfish poison that was a
powder that was made that was blown into

1277
01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:26.199
somebody's face. So you could just
be walking down the street, somebody passes

1278
01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:30.680
you and just goes, yeah,
you're done, right, done, that's

1279
01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:34.680
it. You're done. You're gonna
be fucking farming on a planetation for the

1280
01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:40.680
rest of your life and not knowing
what you're doing. Yeah, your slave,

1281
01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:43.760
your slave labor for the rest of
your life, and you don't even

1282
01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:46.079
know it, right, and your
family doesn't know it. Nobody knows that

1283
01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:49.880
you're missing. No, you're dead, You're buried, you're dead, you're

1284
01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:55.000
in this grave right here we come
to Visio. Oh, yeah, that's

1285
01:48:55.039 --> 01:49:00.199
the craziest to me, that that
that person is dug up. Yeah,

1286
01:49:00.199 --> 01:49:05.720
Oh that's nuts. Now, this
this I found really interesting because I heard

1287
01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:10.960
it on that one podcast that I
had listened to while doing my research.

1288
01:49:12.199 --> 01:49:15.680
Did you happen to listen to them
at all. Was it the Doctor?

1289
01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:20.079
Yeah, the Um Monster Talk podcast. I'm not sure if I listened to

1290
01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:24.199
that, but I listened to The
Doctor with the Certain parts of the brain.

1291
01:49:25.000 --> 01:49:27.920
Yes, yes, it's yes,
that was Hughes, right, yes,

1292
01:49:28.199 --> 01:49:31.960
yeah, yeah. Is it David
Hughes, Stephen slow Field or something

1293
01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:44.159
slum Yeah, that's Oh. He
got me on this little rabbit hole on

1294
01:49:44.760 --> 01:49:47.439
these different things and how they can
affect the brain and if one part of

1295
01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:53.119
the brain is damaged, how will
a person act. Yes, yeah,

1296
01:49:53.199 --> 01:49:58.479
I watched. Yeah, why do
they move so slow? Why you know

1297
01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:04.039
this part of the brain was affected. Yeah. He does talks and seminars

1298
01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:09.359
about this, and I want to
go to one so bad. Oh my

1299
01:50:09.439 --> 01:50:14.279
god, I would totally be there. I started watching some of his stuff

1300
01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:15.479
and listening. I'm like, and
you're right. I got into it.

1301
01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:18.399
I listened to like three different videos
after the one I watched. I'm like,

1302
01:50:18.439 --> 01:50:25.399
oh my god, just different parts
of the brain affect this is just

1303
01:50:25.399 --> 01:50:28.359
a certain way you'll act, Like, that's why you move slow, you

1304
01:50:28.399 --> 01:50:33.199
know, that's why you're not so
bright. His whole thing was crazy exactly.

1305
01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:38.439
That was one of the episodes that
made me go, oh my goodness,

1306
01:50:38.520 --> 01:50:44.039
this is gonna be a long episode. I love it though, because

1307
01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:48.159
it's a very logical approach, in
a scientific approach, because studies have been

1308
01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:53.359
done on these parts of the brain
and what they control and how they might

1309
01:50:53.399 --> 01:50:59.640
affect somebody that has damage to those
parts. Right. But on this particular

1310
01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:03.399
episodisode that we're talking about, it's
Monster's Talk podcast. This was back in

1311
01:51:03.479 --> 01:51:08.000
twenty eleven, so you got to
scroll back quite a bit, but there's

1312
01:51:08.039 --> 01:51:13.840
an interview with Harvard medical doctor Stephen
Schlasman, and he talks about the brain

1313
01:51:14.239 --> 01:51:19.279
possible effects of damage from viruses,
prions, parasites, and how they would

1314
01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:25.159
create zombies. In this episode,
I remember his main concern was not a

1315
01:51:25.239 --> 01:51:29.439
virus, It was not a parasite. His main concern was these prions.

1316
01:51:30.079 --> 01:51:33.880
This is something that I did do
a little bit of research into, but

1317
01:51:34.520 --> 01:51:41.720
it's it's a bit terrifying when you
look into them. Did you happen to

1318
01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:45.159
look into the prions and stuff like
that and how they're different from viruses and

1319
01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:51.000
a little bit not not as much
as I looked into his brain. Parts

1320
01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:56.119
of the brain that effects. Yeah, but a little bit, well,

1321
01:51:56.279 --> 01:52:00.720
a lot of us have seen the
whole zombie deer disease that's been going around

1322
01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:06.239
for a while. Now, have
you seen anything about that. There's just

1323
01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:11.159
the article you sent me. I
was looking at the deer thing and it's

1324
01:52:11.199 --> 01:52:15.119
insane. See. We actually got
a news alert at the start of hunting

1325
01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:19.880
season last year saying that if you
saw a deer that weren't acting like a

1326
01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:25.960
normal deer, or if you killed
a deer and you wanted to get it

1327
01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:29.159
butchered for the meat, you needed
to get it tested first. Because this

1328
01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:34.720
disease is spreading like crazy. It
was in one or two states when it

1329
01:52:34.760 --> 01:52:39.800
first started, and then it went
to five, and right now it's in

1330
01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:45.119
twenty six different states. Holy shit. Yes, and this infects deer.

1331
01:52:46.039 --> 01:52:49.279
And I know I skipped over the
parts of the brain part, but we'll

1332
01:52:49.319 --> 01:52:55.720
go back to that because this is
something that is current. It is happening,

1333
01:52:56.239 --> 01:53:00.439
and you're probably you might see a
news alert for it come hunting season

1334
01:53:00.479 --> 01:53:10.279
again. This zombie dear disease is
called chronic wasting disease CWD. It causes

1335
01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:15.560
infected animals to stumble around, drool, become aggressive, they lose weight,

1336
01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:24.119
they're just kind of rhyming like like
us shamplaining zombie. Yeah, this is

1337
01:53:24.319 --> 01:53:32.119
the most zombie esque behavior we've seen
through any virus or any parasite or anything

1338
01:53:32.159 --> 01:53:36.640
like that, at least as far
as our understanding or our culture kind of

1339
01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:44.039
understanding of zombies goes. But the
hard part about this one is it's not

1340
01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:49.560
curable. They have no cure whatsoever
for this prion disease. They don't even

1341
01:53:49.760 --> 01:53:59.199
understand prions at all. They're a
misfolded protein that somehow became infectious, but

1342
01:53:59.279 --> 01:54:03.479
they have no idea how or why, and there's no treatments and no cures.

1343
01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:09.039
If you were to catch one,
you would just deteriorate over the course

1344
01:54:09.039 --> 01:54:14.000
of several months, maybe lose your
ability to speak or move, and eventually

1345
01:54:14.039 --> 01:54:19.720
die and doctors could not do anything
to save you as a human. Yeah,

1346
01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:24.159
if you eat a deer that is
infected with this chronic wasting disease,

1347
01:54:24.600 --> 01:54:27.800
say you go hunting, you shoot
a deer it happens to have it,

1348
01:54:27.880 --> 01:54:31.159
and you consume the meat from this
deer that has these proteins in it,

1349
01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:35.760
and you contract this disease because you
can contract it through eating the meat.

1350
01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:41.319
You're fucked. Is there any way
of telling you that the meat is bad

1351
01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:45.079
or not even you do have to
go get it tested. Most butcher shops,

1352
01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:46.520
if you take it to get butchered, you can ask them to test

1353
01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:50.479
it. What if you clean it
yourself though you might have no idea,

1354
01:54:50.600 --> 01:54:56.760
right, Yeah, they're advising against
doing that. Oh my god. If

1355
01:54:56.760 --> 01:55:00.239
there are cases in your state,
they suggest that you death la get the

1356
01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:05.319
meat tested before you eat it or
before you butcher it. Because most of

1357
01:55:05.319 --> 01:55:11.279
the time you could even call like
um local wildlife places, um, stuff

1358
01:55:11.319 --> 01:55:14.920
like that to where they do deal
with like deer, and you can ask

1359
01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:18.159
them where to get this meat tested
before you butcher it. Oh my god.

1360
01:55:18.199 --> 01:55:24.399
How many people are not doing that
though, like just yeah, probably

1361
01:55:26.119 --> 01:55:30.399
that's scary. Well, as of
right now people do. People can get

1362
01:55:30.439 --> 01:55:34.359
it and you can die from it. But these animals that are just kind

1363
01:55:34.359 --> 01:55:40.680
of shambling around and stuff like that. This is this is mostly affecting deer,

1364
01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:45.319
moose, and elk. The University
of Minnesota researchers warn local lawmakers that

1365
01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:51.319
they should be taken action to prevent
the spread. While humans are getting it,

1366
01:55:51.439 --> 01:55:57.359
they're not doing this funny shambling around
thing because of the way it affects

1367
01:55:57.359 --> 01:56:01.760
their brain and they just end up
getting sick and show some symptoms like not

1368
01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:05.279
being able to speak, not being
able to move, but then they die.

1369
01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:10.479
They're not showing the aggression, they're
not showing the wandering or confusion and

1370
01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:15.960
stuff like that. Right again,
it might only take one small mutation for

1371
01:56:16.439 --> 01:56:23.960
people to now start showing the rest
of those symptoms. Right, Yeah,

1372
01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:28.239
you're right, one mute. Yeah, and they are studying this in the

1373
01:56:28.720 --> 01:56:33.960
library, not the library, oh
my goodness, the laboratory. But yeah,

1374
01:56:34.039 --> 01:56:39.680
it says that it is probable,
and this is an older article too,

1375
01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:45.760
that the human cases of CWD associated
with the consumption of contaminated meat will

1376
01:56:45.800 --> 01:56:50.680
be documented in the years ahead.
It is possible that number of human cases

1377
01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:59.880
will be substantial and will not be
isolated events. So if you eat deer,

1378
01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:06.119
which deer is delicious, be very
careful with the deer you're eating,

1379
01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:13.680
Maybe check to see if this disease
is in your area or is in your

1380
01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:16.520
state, and then get the meat
tested before you take it home and make

1381
01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:20.239
stew or jerky or anything with it. Yeah, definitely get it checked out

1382
01:57:20.279 --> 01:57:24.319
if it's you know, this is
going on in your area. Yeah,

1383
01:57:24.560 --> 01:57:28.560
which I mean after the last time
I checked, it was twenty six states,

1384
01:57:28.680 --> 01:57:32.600
and that I mean that's when I
got the alert last year, So

1385
01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:36.920
it could be more. Well,
that's a lot of states considering how many

1386
01:57:38.039 --> 01:57:42.399
you know, how many states actually
hunt for deer exactly? I mean,

1387
01:57:42.439 --> 01:57:45.520
I think deer hunting is legal in
every state, isn't it. I think

1388
01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:48.760
so I wonder if there's states you're
not allowed to. Yeah, I'm not

1389
01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:53.720
sure on that, I don't think. So. I'm trying to think of

1390
01:57:53.760 --> 01:57:57.039
what state might not let you.
Oh, I know down here, like

1391
01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:01.279
yeah, you think Florida, No, not so much. But Florida in

1392
01:58:01.319 --> 01:58:06.840
general is a very very country.
Yeah, and there's a lot of deer,

1393
01:58:08.239 --> 01:58:12.000
Like even even in the Everglades down
here. It takes me two minutes

1394
01:58:12.039 --> 01:58:15.560
to get to the Everglades from where
I'm at right now. I'm like in

1395
01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:20.079
my place, and you know,
people hunt deer on airboats and they ever

1396
01:58:21.319 --> 01:58:25.840
do you? I can never remember
which is which? Do you have alligators

1397
01:58:25.920 --> 01:58:30.640
or crocodiles? There? Alligators?
They are a new fear of mine.

1398
01:58:30.800 --> 01:58:36.840
So many alligators down here. Like
going fishing a lot of stuff in freshwater,

1399
01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:42.000
you see a lot of alligators.
And there's many times where We've taken

1400
01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:45.439
a canoe out fishing and stuff,
and I biggest alligator I ever saw.

1401
01:58:45.479 --> 01:58:49.000
It is probably like fourteen fifteen feet
from you know, head to tail,

1402
01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:54.680
and you're just sitting the canoe.
You're in a little canoe that could tip

1403
01:58:54.680 --> 01:58:58.680
in a minute. It's a little
freaky. Like I said, you like,

1404
01:58:59.359 --> 01:59:02.680
huh, why do you do that? I don't know. I guess

1405
01:59:02.720 --> 01:59:08.640
because I guess it might be similar
to like say you're in Colorado and and

1406
01:59:09.039 --> 01:59:12.399
you see a bear and it's not
that big of a deal. Um,

1407
01:59:12.560 --> 01:59:15.239
you know, they're not gonna fuck
with you unless you're messing with their babies

1408
01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:20.439
or you you know, you like
ball right near one. You're trying to

1409
01:59:20.479 --> 01:59:26.439
steer clear of them. But like
even going out to the Everglades, like

1410
01:59:26.880 --> 01:59:29.159
when Mandy used to come down,
we uhould go to Everglades, watch the

1411
01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:32.039
sunset and shit, and there's she
saw a few alligators in the in the

1412
01:59:32.119 --> 01:59:35.239
in the water there. They're everywhere
down here, like everywhere. I don't

1413
01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:40.880
like that. Oh I don't like
me either. There they creep me out.

1414
01:59:41.319 --> 01:59:45.600
But there are also saltwater crocodiles down
here. I've never seen a saltwater

1415
01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:49.319
crocodile, but they are in soft
Florida. So I mean you're at the

1416
01:59:49.319 --> 01:59:54.159
beach and you don't worry about sharks. Now you gotta worry about crocodiles still

1417
01:59:55.840 --> 02:00:00.760
in the ocean. Man's that's sounds
terrible. Oh, alligators are they're they're

1418
02:00:01.439 --> 02:00:06.279
They're very intimidating. But if you
if you just stay away from them,

1419
02:00:08.399 --> 02:00:13.960
not no bother at all. They
won't fuck with you at all. But

1420
02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:17.760
they're still scared to see because it's
like fucking prehistoric. Yeah, it's like

1421
02:00:17.840 --> 02:00:21.479
a little dinosaur. I don't know. I prefer our beaches up here.

1422
02:00:21.600 --> 02:00:26.520
They're like on the lake and there's
nothing in there that really wants to eat

1423
02:00:26.600 --> 02:00:31.159
you see. I would like I
would like that. I mean there's things

1424
02:00:31.239 --> 02:00:36.680
that want to but they can't,
right right right, Yeah, I've um

1425
02:00:38.279 --> 02:00:41.359
man, I talked to that on
the show once where I'm pretty sure our

1426
02:00:41.399 --> 02:00:46.439
sharks hit me once we were um
we were surfing and it was like dusk,

1427
02:00:46.680 --> 02:00:50.840
which is a really stupid time to
go surfing, because you know,

1428
02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:55.439
the sharks and fish feet at dusk
and dawn. And we were at dawn

1429
02:00:55.600 --> 02:00:58.359
and I was sitting on my board
and you kind of like all right,

1430
02:00:58.399 --> 02:01:00.279
So you have your hands, your
elbow blows up on your board, but

1431
02:01:00.399 --> 02:01:02.359
the rest of you is like floating
in the water. You know what I

1432
02:01:02.399 --> 02:01:08.479
mean, Well, you're holding on
to yourself. Just buy the elbows on

1433
02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:13.640
your board. So from probably like
tits down, you're you're just in the

1434
02:01:13.720 --> 02:01:17.600
water. And something hit me so
hard, like in my thigh, like

1435
02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:23.159
right in my thigh probably like I
would say, like a foot and a

1436
02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:27.520
half maybe two foot, like why
it hit my thigh like hit me to

1437
02:01:27.600 --> 02:01:30.640
where to the point where I like
swayed in the water like boom, like

1438
02:01:30.880 --> 02:01:34.039
hit me hard. And my friends
say, I pretty much walked on water.

1439
02:01:34.119 --> 02:01:39.079
I just got out of there.
But one hundred percent, man,

1440
02:01:39.159 --> 02:01:44.239
But it is known that sharks will
they will bump you before they buy you.

1441
02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:47.880
Most of the time they will bump
you just to see what's going on

1442
02:01:48.000 --> 02:01:53.199
and see what you are, you
know. Yeah, And I wish that

1443
02:01:53.439 --> 02:01:58.880
I could have seen what happened so
I could say that was a shark,

1444
02:01:59.640 --> 02:02:01.920
But I it was you know,
it was dusky, it was dark.

1445
02:02:01.960 --> 02:02:05.920
I couldn't see in the water.
So I can only say like ninety percent

1446
02:02:06.000 --> 02:02:11.640
it was a shark. But one
hundred percent in my mind a big fucking

1447
02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:17.520
shark bump me. I am sweating. Yeah, it freaked me the funk

1448
02:02:17.560 --> 02:02:23.119
out. I will never go surfing
again, whether it be light or dark

1449
02:02:23.319 --> 02:02:28.680
or whatever since that. Yeah.
Yeah, I've never surved since since that

1450
02:02:28.800 --> 02:02:32.279
day. Again, I would say
just don't go at that time. But

1451
02:02:32.439 --> 02:02:36.960
there's there's sharks in the ocean.
I just wouldn't go to the ocean anymore.

1452
02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:42.800
Yeah. And it's creepy, man, because you can't see down there.

1453
02:02:44.119 --> 02:02:45.560
You know, you can't see what's
coming up on you at all.

1454
02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:49.800
You just can't see. It's not
so clear where you can see like twenty

1455
02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:55.359
feet down and you just you don't
know what's down there. And the ocean

1456
02:02:55.560 --> 02:03:00.800
is scary to me, man,
the ocean is terrifying. I mean I'm

1457
02:03:00.920 --> 02:03:03.640
right by Lake Erie, Like,
I'm not even an hour's drive from Lake

1458
02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:08.880
Erie, and we can go up
there and swimming stuff, right, can't

1459
02:03:09.199 --> 02:03:13.399
You can't even see like six inches
down? Oh yeah, it's it's like

1460
02:03:13.520 --> 02:03:16.359
the ocean. You can see a
little more, but oh not much man.

1461
02:03:16.479 --> 02:03:20.319
And you know in your head,
you know that there are sharks out

1462
02:03:20.319 --> 02:03:24.560
there. Yeah. See, we
just have fish. Yeah, No,

1463
02:03:24.720 --> 02:03:29.039
there's there are sharks in there for
sure. Frogs. It's so scary.

1464
02:03:30.479 --> 02:03:32.439
Frogs actually freaking me the fuck out. I'm scared of death of frogs.

1465
02:03:32.680 --> 02:03:35.399
I just heard that. I don't
know why, but I am so.

1466
02:03:35.600 --> 02:03:42.039
I'm scared of death of frogs,
which I found really funny because my best

1467
02:03:42.119 --> 02:03:45.760
friend, she's been we've been best
friends since we were five, twenty five

1468
02:03:45.840 --> 02:03:53.039
years now. Her favorite animal is
a frog. Oh she even has tattoos

1469
02:03:53.159 --> 02:03:57.479
of frogs. That's fine. I
don't know why many I don't know why,

1470
02:03:57.680 --> 02:04:00.760
something maybe something I don't have our
memory before now, which scares me

1471
02:04:00.840 --> 02:04:09.479
also because who knows what happened,
But I don't know why. Frogs freaked

1472
02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:12.359
me the fuck out, Like I'm
scared of that, the frogs. We

1473
02:04:12.800 --> 02:04:15.079
have a lot of frogs up here. Surprisingly, we found a couple in

1474
02:04:15.159 --> 02:04:18.840
our pool. Filter there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot down here,

1475
02:04:18.960 --> 02:04:21.319
like a lot down here. Man, Well I expect them to be

1476
02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:26.520
down there. Yeah they yeah up
there? Yeah that is weird up there?

1477
02:04:27.079 --> 02:04:30.680
Yeah, no randomly show up.
Yeah. They freaked me out.

1478
02:04:30.720 --> 02:04:33.319
I don't know why. Maybe something
happened when I was small, I don't

1479
02:04:33.439 --> 02:04:38.840
remember, but maybe well, maybe
frogs freaked me the fuck out maybe if

1480
02:04:38.880 --> 02:04:41.119
you remembered, you'd be like,
oh, well, that wasn't that bad.

1481
02:04:44.800 --> 02:04:47.159
I thought about doing like hypnotism and
ship too. But then again,

1482
02:04:47.199 --> 02:04:50.720
I'm like, maybe I don't want
to know. Maybe I don't remember for

1483
02:04:50.800 --> 02:04:56.479
a reason. Maybe maybe I'm yeah, I'm good, I'm all right.

1484
02:04:57.920 --> 02:05:01.319
Frogs never freaked me out. Frogs
to snakes, so I'm fine with all

1485
02:05:01.359 --> 02:05:05.079
of them. Yeah, I don't
know why. Just frogs freaked me out.

1486
02:05:05.760 --> 02:05:09.680
I can I think I can understand
why, though. I mean,

1487
02:05:09.760 --> 02:05:14.399
they're they're slimy, and they do
move really fucking quick. Yeah, but

1488
02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:16.159
I don't have a problem with snakes
or anything, you know, anything like

1489
02:05:16.279 --> 02:05:19.800
that. And the way they look
at you, there's something with their eyes.

1490
02:05:19.960 --> 02:05:25.840
Yeah, they got those funny shaped
pupils, and yeah, they're like

1491
02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:32.520
sweating you. They're reading you.
Yeah, oh yeah, it's funny.

1492
02:05:32.600 --> 02:05:36.640
Frogs fread me out though, that
is that is funny, all right.

1493
02:05:38.159 --> 02:05:44.439
So the last part of this zombies
and parts of the brain. So that

1494
02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:48.720
same guy we were talking about,
this is something on him in his research

1495
02:05:48.840 --> 02:05:55.039
that he's done, and parts of
the brain and how they might explain zombie

1496
02:05:55.199 --> 02:06:00.159
behaviors, specifically in a lot of
the movies we watch. When I was

1497
02:06:00.199 --> 02:06:03.239
listening to that episode with him,
he's the one that raised the question is

1498
02:06:03.319 --> 02:06:09.640
it scarier to have a fast zombie
or a slow zombie? Okay, he

1499
02:06:10.439 --> 02:06:15.039
thought it was a slow zombie because
he gives you time to think before you

1500
02:06:15.199 --> 02:06:20.520
die. Okay, I can get
that. But I am definitely more terrified

1501
02:06:20.520 --> 02:06:24.239
of than the fast ones. Yeah, me too. I get what he's

1502
02:06:24.239 --> 02:06:28.640
saying. Yeah, it's boone done, you're dead. But no, I'm

1503
02:06:28.680 --> 02:06:31.680
still scared of the fast ones.
Yeah. Same here. So do you

1504
02:06:31.800 --> 02:06:38.239
want to go over the zombie stagger? The zombie stagger, zombie stagger?

1505
02:06:39.520 --> 02:06:45.039
Okay, zombie stagger, sterebellum and
basil ganglia, the areas of the brand

1506
02:06:45.079 --> 02:06:50.560
that regulate balance and fluid motion could
be responsible for the zombies clumsiness. Slowsman,

1507
02:06:50.720 --> 02:06:57.439
said Slasman, something like that,
Slasman, and damage to these areas

1508
02:06:57.479 --> 02:07:00.960
could explain why they stagger so ungracefully
with their prey. He has. So

1509
02:07:01.039 --> 02:07:06.880
many people are experiencing a temporary impairment
of their cerebellum when they drunkenly stumble out

1510
02:07:06.920 --> 02:07:14.039
of a bar. Okay, so
that makes sense. Yes, it's that

1511
02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:17.600
part of the brain you're cerebellum,
which which I saw in that video that

1512
02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:21.680
I watched with him, was the
part of you that was so unstable and

1513
02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:27.359
like you're stumbling and you can't you
know, right, right, Yeah,

1514
02:07:27.439 --> 02:07:30.880
that's what's affected when you drink excessive
amounts of alcohol. You start stumbling around

1515
02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:35.319
because your cerebellum is impaired a little
bit. That makes so much sense.

1516
02:07:35.319 --> 02:07:41.039
You imagine being like that, like
permanently. No, you're gonna walk around,

1517
02:07:41.479 --> 02:07:45.479
You're gonna stumble around like that.
Oh, there's there's many nights where

1518
02:07:45.680 --> 02:07:51.159
my cerebellum was affected. Oh,
same by the zombie stagger. Yes,

1519
02:07:53.000 --> 02:07:56.479
like I've had it bad enough to
where I was holding on to the grass

1520
02:07:57.079 --> 02:08:01.399
because the earth was spinning too fast. Oh yeah, yeah, that's terrible.

1521
02:08:01.560 --> 02:08:05.720
I hate that. I love my
beer. I do not like getting

1522
02:08:05.800 --> 02:08:11.760
drunk. No, me neither.
And you know what, hangovers I can't

1523
02:08:11.800 --> 02:08:16.159
take them me either. They're good
at least one two days for me.

1524
02:08:16.359 --> 02:08:22.279
I can't recuperate. They're the worst
thing in the world to me. I

1525
02:08:22.399 --> 02:08:28.039
get the body hangovers now, like
that first day, I'm just I'm nauseous.

1526
02:08:28.600 --> 02:08:33.439
My whole body hurts, my head
is pounding, my mouth is dry,

1527
02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:35.560
I feel like my eyeballs are going
to fall out. Oh yeah,

1528
02:08:35.640 --> 02:08:39.720
body aches. So yeah, you
feel like you have the flu? Yes,

1529
02:08:41.039 --> 02:08:43.119
yeah, yeah, you really do. So if any of you people

1530
02:08:43.199 --> 02:08:48.319
that are significantly younger are listening,
this is what you have to look forward

1531
02:08:48.359 --> 02:08:52.920
to enjoy it. Well at last. Yeah. Absolutely. I didn't get

1532
02:08:52.960 --> 02:09:00.439
my first hangover until probably twenty six, twenty seven. Yeah, like a

1533
02:09:00.520 --> 02:09:03.840
first good one, like right the
lasts. Yeah, yeah, but even

1534
02:09:03.880 --> 02:09:09.239
that was just a headache for the
day. Oh it's just the worst.

1535
02:09:09.279 --> 02:09:16.359
But nowadays, yeah, like it
almost it's almost a deterrent from drinking itself.

1536
02:09:16.920 --> 02:09:18.720
Get to a point where like,
oh my god, I'm gonna feel

1537
02:09:18.720 --> 02:09:22.079
like this, I gotta stop.
Yeah, that's why I like now now,

1538
02:09:22.239 --> 02:09:28.840
especially like I don't like to drink
a ton. I have my times

1539
02:09:28.880 --> 02:09:33.319
where I do, like around my
birthday and stuff. In January, I

1540
02:09:33.439 --> 02:09:35.720
was turning thirty, so I was
like, you know what, fuck it.

1541
02:09:35.039 --> 02:09:39.079
Yeah, so I started drinking a
lot more. But it was like

1542
02:09:39.239 --> 02:09:43.760
to the point where I would wake
up in the morning, drink coffee and

1543
02:09:43.920 --> 02:09:46.800
take advil, go on about my
day, and then come like dinner time,

1544
02:09:46.840 --> 02:09:50.159
I was having a beer or two
again, right right, because I

1545
02:09:50.359 --> 02:09:54.960
knew that next day after it was
going to be miserable too. Yes,

1546
02:09:56.840 --> 02:10:00.359
And I had that funny little cycle
for about two weeks and then I was

1547
02:10:00.359 --> 02:10:03.319
like, I can't, I can't
do this. I'm telling you last for

1548
02:10:03.520 --> 02:10:07.920
days now. Hum, well,
it's the worst, the worst. So

1549
02:10:07.079 --> 02:10:11.960
yeah, I get the zombie snagger. Okay, now we're going to move

1550
02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:22.199
on to the appetite zombie munchies.
Look no further than the brains venture medial

1551
02:10:22.560 --> 02:10:33.600
hypotho hypothalamus. To understand the zombies
in social appetite, he likens their hunger

1552
02:10:33.680 --> 02:10:41.399
to studies on the thing again,
venture medial hypothalamus in primates, which shows

1553
02:10:41.439 --> 02:10:46.399
that damage to this part of the
brain causes the monkeys to eat anything and

1554
02:10:46.600 --> 02:10:52.359
eat uncontrollably. M there is a
condition out there to where this part of

1555
02:10:52.399 --> 02:10:58.159
the brain, somebody will be born
with this part of the brain damaged or

1556
02:10:58.359 --> 02:11:03.039
not fully formed in some way,
and they will just constantly eat and eat

1557
02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:07.279
and eat and eat and neat and
always feel hungry. I think I have

1558
02:11:07.439 --> 02:11:16.119
that right now, But that's that's
actually a condition that happens naturally. Crazy.

1559
02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:18.159
If that part of your brain is
damaged, say you're even in a

1560
02:11:18.239 --> 02:11:22.800
car accident, and that particular part
is damage. You are gonna want to

1561
02:11:22.880 --> 02:11:30.720
eat anything in everything right, like
uncontrollably. It says, yeah, that's

1562
02:11:30.760 --> 02:11:35.720
crazy. So what about the rage
part? Okay, zombie rage. The

1563
02:11:35.800 --> 02:11:41.279
amygdala, the brain's primal emotion center, is where emotions like rage are first

1564
02:11:41.359 --> 02:11:48.439
registered. Then typically the anterior cingulate
cortex steps in and dampens of the signals

1565
02:11:48.880 --> 02:11:56.079
from amdiglia migdola. In zombie,
the words are crazy in this, Oh

1566
02:11:56.159 --> 02:12:01.800
I know? In zombie, Sloman
said, the amygdala appears to have run

1567
02:12:01.880 --> 02:12:07.800
amok, causing hyper aggression. Hmm. So the brain's primal emotion center,

1568
02:12:09.119 --> 02:12:15.079
like who wear, emotions like rage
are first registered. This isn't something that's

1569
02:12:15.119 --> 02:12:18.119
out of the ordinary either, like
a lot of times you'll see it with

1570
02:12:18.399 --> 02:12:26.239
people who have been in motorcycle accidents
or like fighters like professional MMA fighters,

1571
02:12:26.399 --> 02:12:33.199
boxers, things like that do will
sustained brain damage and a large part of

1572
02:12:33.239 --> 02:12:37.159
it might be to the amygdala.
And that's why like some of them might

1573
02:12:37.239 --> 02:12:43.680
be overly aggressive, get angry a
lot faster, snap at people. Or

1574
02:12:43.800 --> 02:12:46.960
who's the one that murdered his wife
and kid? Do you remember? Oh?

1575
02:12:48.319 --> 02:12:54.239
Yes, wrestler um Chris Benoit.
Yeah, yes, he had brain

1576
02:12:54.359 --> 02:13:00.520
damage. Yes, right, right, so if that rage or unco controllable,

1577
02:13:00.680 --> 02:13:05.119
not even just rage, but sorrow, yeah, feeling betrayed. All

1578
02:13:05.159 --> 02:13:11.319
of these feelings are processed by the
amygdala they passed through there. Yeah.

1579
02:13:11.399 --> 02:13:15.920
Remember when Mike Tyson bit a Vander
Holyfield's ear huh, like took a big

1580
02:13:16.000 --> 02:13:18.800
chunk of his ear off, Like
he actually bit his ear off. Yeah,

1581
02:13:18.840 --> 02:13:22.800
that had something to do with maybe
some some zombie rage, which I

1582
02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:28.079
had to say. Mike Tyson is
really nice. He seems to be right,

1583
02:13:28.640 --> 02:13:33.439
yes, yeah, I actually got
to meet him quite a while ago

1584
02:13:35.079 --> 02:13:37.800
at a place I was working.
He stopped in with like his whole little

1585
02:13:39.039 --> 02:13:43.359
entourage. Oh nice, and I
got to sit talk with him, and

1586
02:13:43.960 --> 02:13:48.119
it was just super chill. He
was very very nice, yeah, very

1587
02:13:48.199 --> 02:13:56.000
polite. Oh that's awesome he was. He was awesome, absolutely awesome.

1588
02:13:56.319 --> 02:14:00.359
Like he seems to be like anything
I've ever seen of him, seems to

1589
02:14:00.439 --> 02:14:03.760
be really fucking down earth cool.
I also did not ask him why he

1590
02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:09.199
bit somebody's ear off. Yeah,
so I probably played it a little safe.

1591
02:14:11.479 --> 02:14:15.479
Oh that's awesome that you man.
He's like one of my like growing

1592
02:14:15.560 --> 02:14:18.439
up. He was the best that's
ever been. Well, I guess at

1593
02:14:18.479 --> 02:14:24.079
one point he used to live up
around here. I don't remember exactly where

1594
02:14:24.199 --> 02:14:31.800
it was. Are the Catskills there? You what Catskills? I don't think

1595
02:14:31.840 --> 02:14:35.720
so. I'm not sure where there
he are, but I know that he's

1596
02:14:35.800 --> 02:14:39.800
from the Catskills. I don't know
where he lived since then. Yeah,

1597
02:14:39.840 --> 02:14:46.880
I don't know when exactly he supposedly
lived up here, but I just always

1598
02:14:46.960 --> 02:14:52.000
heard that at some point he lived
in I think it was either Canfield or

1599
02:14:52.119 --> 02:14:58.399
Courtland, which are both maybe fifteen
minutes from me. It's just one's north

1600
02:14:58.439 --> 02:15:01.319
one south. Oh wow, Okay, did you meet him there? Where

1601
02:15:01.319 --> 02:15:07.039
are you're at now? Yeah?
I met him here in Austintown. Actually,

1602
02:15:07.439 --> 02:15:09.720
it's this is that's the actual town
right next to me. Because the

1603
02:15:09.800 --> 02:15:13.319
town I live in, if you
blink while you're on the main road,

1604
02:15:13.439 --> 02:15:20.039
you're through it. Okay, The
main town right next to me is Austintown.

1605
02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:24.560
And when I was working in there, in that town, he had

1606
02:15:24.600 --> 02:15:26.920
stopped into the place I was working, and it was really really cool.

1607
02:15:28.119 --> 02:15:33.319
It was a very nice experience.
He was He's the only famous person I've

1608
02:15:33.359 --> 02:15:39.000
ever met, but he was cool
as shit. That's awesome. Schools are

1609
02:15:39.039 --> 02:15:41.640
in New York. By the way, they were upstate New York. Okay,

1610
02:15:41.680 --> 02:15:50.359
okay where he's from. Okay.
So the final part zombie stupidity what

1611
02:15:50.560 --> 02:15:56.840
we were talking about at the beginning
full circle moment. Finally, zombies appear

1612
02:15:56.920 --> 02:16:01.880
to have a malfunctioning frontal lobe,
the part the brain associated with problem solving,

1613
02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:05.319
planning, and reason. Zombies can't
even figure out how to open the

1614
02:16:05.399 --> 02:16:11.640
farmhouse door to get to their cowering
prey. So if this part, the

1615
02:16:11.800 --> 02:16:15.680
frontal lobe, isn't that what they
did, lobotomy is on I think so,

1616
02:16:15.880 --> 02:16:22.119
yeah, a frontal lobe lobotomy.
This impairs your your reasoning, how

1617
02:16:22.199 --> 02:16:26.439
to figure out how to do certain
things, even simple things, right,

1618
02:16:28.479 --> 02:16:31.319
So that makes sense. So if
there's damage to that part there, they're

1619
02:16:31.360 --> 02:16:35.319
gonna be stupid. They're not gonna
be able to turn a doorknob to open

1620
02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:39.079
it, open a window, any
of that. Absolutely, it makes perfect

1621
02:16:39.120 --> 02:16:45.600
sense. So he goes on to
say, so the amygdala fires, and

1622
02:16:45.799 --> 02:16:50.600
you have a hypothalmus saying hungry,
hungry, hungry, and an amygdala saying

1623
02:16:50.680 --> 02:16:56.639
attack, attack, attack, and
no anterior congulate cortex to dampen that response.

1624
02:16:58.319 --> 02:17:01.600
And no frontal lobe to make sense
of any of this. So the

1625
02:17:01.719 --> 02:17:05.040
combination of the damage to all those
areas of the brain creates what we know

1626
02:17:05.559 --> 02:17:13.719
as the typical romero zombie, right, which is fascinating. Yeah, that

1627
02:17:13.959 --> 02:17:20.799
is I like that part. And
he does these seminars where he does answer

1628
02:17:20.959 --> 02:17:26.040
questions and he does talk about the
brain damage, what can cause this brain

1629
02:17:26.159 --> 02:17:31.920
damage in different scenarios that could lead
to an actual zombie like disease, But

1630
02:17:33.600 --> 02:17:37.000
he does state that it is extremely
unlikely that we will ever see it.

1631
02:17:39.120 --> 02:17:43.319
That's mostly because if this damage is
done to the brain, then there's gonna

1632
02:17:43.319 --> 02:17:48.239
be a lot larger problems. Plus, this isn't going to spread if it's

1633
02:17:48.360 --> 02:17:52.000
just damage to the brain, right, there would have to be something that

1634
02:17:52.280 --> 02:18:01.040
is very fast acting, very very
fast, and infecting spreads very quickly inefficiently,

1635
02:18:01.680 --> 02:18:05.159
maybe airborne. It would have to
be something airborne to do this,

1636
02:18:05.360 --> 02:18:09.079
But then it would also have to
cause brain damage very quickly, right,

1637
02:18:09.799 --> 02:18:13.399
or else people will start to study
it and they'll come up with some kind

1638
02:18:13.440 --> 02:18:18.079
of cure or some kind of treatment
for it. And even say like a

1639
02:18:18.239 --> 02:18:22.399
virus broke out, most likely if
this virus broke out at one place,

1640
02:18:22.159 --> 02:18:26.799
if it was something like that,
supposed a zombie virus, they would track

1641
02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:31.319
down every single person that stepped foot
in that area and it would be quarantined

1642
02:18:31.399 --> 02:18:37.200
off, right, like what we're
experiencing now with quarantine, it's not anything

1643
02:18:39.319 --> 02:18:43.319
and compares into something like that,
that would be like martial law gates up,

1644
02:18:45.239 --> 02:18:46.920
no one in or out. Yeah, it would have to be like

1645
02:18:46.959 --> 02:18:52.799
you said, airborne, something so
fast that it just spreads without without even

1646
02:18:52.920 --> 02:18:56.399
knowledge, right, because if it's
passing through bodily fluids, if you get

1647
02:18:56.479 --> 02:19:01.399
bit, that's going to be a
very fast a way to tell who's infected

1648
02:19:01.479 --> 02:19:07.000
and who's not. And it wouldn't
realistically take over the world, right,

1649
02:19:07.680 --> 02:19:11.959
There would have to be certain sets
of perfect circumstances to make that possible.

1650
02:19:13.760 --> 02:19:18.760
And it's so unlikely, but you
could probably rest assured that we're not going

1651
02:19:18.799 --> 02:19:22.639
to have a zombie apocalypse on our
hands anytime soon. No, unfortunately,

1652
02:19:22.879 --> 02:19:26.680
because I think that would be pretty
cool. I say it would be pretty

1653
02:19:26.680 --> 02:19:30.319
cool, but it probably wouldn't be
probably be the first one to die,

1654
02:19:31.159 --> 02:19:37.440
right, I mean it would be
it would be something to see. Yeah,

1655
02:19:37.840 --> 02:19:43.319
yeah, it would be like I
don't want to experience it. No,

1656
02:19:43.680 --> 02:19:46.760
it's almost like UFOs, you know, coming in attacking Earth. It

1657
02:19:46.760 --> 02:19:50.600
would be awesome to see, but
no, I probably wouldn't survive, so

1658
02:19:52.120 --> 02:19:54.920
no, thanks, Yeah I have. Oh that just made me think of

1659
02:19:56.000 --> 02:20:01.479
something. Have you heard the theories
that aliens and the fae are the same

1660
02:20:01.639 --> 02:20:05.319
thing? No, you and I
might have to cover that someday, Oh

1661
02:20:05.520 --> 02:20:13.760
for sure, because that it made
so much sense. It was insane.

1662
02:20:15.440 --> 02:20:20.959
So we've already did a couple of
future projects beer tasting. Yeah, UFOs

1663
02:20:22.120 --> 02:20:28.079
and the Fae. It's going to
be an interesting twenty twenty, at least

1664
02:20:28.159 --> 02:20:31.959
for us for collabs. I think
it'll be a lot of fun. I

1665
02:20:31.079 --> 02:20:35.120
do want to thank you so much
for coming on with me and doing this.

1666
02:20:35.920 --> 02:20:39.559
Oh my god, it's my pleasure
and it's an honor to be on

1667
02:20:39.719 --> 02:20:43.120
your show. I love you.
I think your show is awesome. So

1668
02:20:43.360 --> 02:20:46.360
yeah, thank you for having me. Well, thank you. And I

1669
02:20:46.479 --> 02:20:52.079
told you earlier when we were talking
you are like my favorite conspiracy podcast.

1670
02:20:52.639 --> 02:20:56.280
Thank you so much. That is
so awesome to hear like like someone that

1671
02:20:56.399 --> 02:21:01.520
you all right, so someone that
you respect then you like so much to

1672
02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:05.799
hear them say that about you,
it's just awesome and that's how I feel

1673
02:21:05.879 --> 02:21:07.600
right now. Thank you so much. Well, thank you. I mean,

1674
02:21:07.680 --> 02:21:11.000
I love your show. I'm an
actual fan of your show too,

1675
02:21:11.840 --> 02:21:18.600
and I love the content you cover, the different little things, and I

1676
02:21:18.680 --> 02:21:22.040
can't wait to see, like what's
next, because every time like an episode

1677
02:21:22.079 --> 02:21:24.680
comes out, I'll pull it up
and I'll read the description and then I'll

1678
02:21:24.719 --> 02:21:28.239
download it and save it, and
as soon as I have like a little

1679
02:21:28.280 --> 02:21:33.479
extra time, I will listen to
either that that episode as soon as I

1680
02:21:33.559 --> 02:21:35.840
can, or if I have like
a couple of them, I'll just listen

1681
02:21:35.879 --> 02:21:39.799
to them back to back to back
because I do love them. I love

1682
02:21:41.520 --> 02:21:46.040
hearing about conspiracy theories. You guys, unfortunately, will probably never hear me

1683
02:21:46.120 --> 02:21:52.159
cover conspiracy theories or aliens, just
because it's hard to talk about by myself.

1684
02:21:52.040 --> 02:21:56.040
Maybe you and I'll cover or something
at some point, but yeah,

1685
02:21:56.040 --> 02:21:58.680
that will probably be the only time
I cover it. All right, let's

1686
02:21:58.719 --> 02:22:03.319
go me as long as you you
know, that would have you on any

1687
02:22:03.079 --> 02:22:05.879
show I ever do, so that
would be awesome. Thank you so much

1688
02:22:05.920 --> 02:22:09.319
for saying that. That means a
lot. I like that. Thank you,

1689
02:22:09.879 --> 02:22:11.760
of course. I mean, it's
how I really feel about it.

1690
02:22:13.159 --> 02:22:15.760
And likewise, do, and I
can't tell you how many. Um,

1691
02:22:16.159 --> 02:22:18.360
okay, so I've got I've gotten
quite a few reviews saying that, you

1692
02:22:18.440 --> 02:22:22.159
know, I've been sent over here
from shoes, booze and tattoos and I'm

1693
02:22:22.239 --> 02:22:26.719
glad. So, I mean you've
brought me listeners and thank you so much.

1694
02:22:26.799 --> 02:22:30.200
I hope that, like I've brought
you at least one or two.

1695
02:22:30.799 --> 02:22:33.239
But if not that, I mean
you brought me that. Just thank you

1696
02:22:33.280 --> 02:22:37.840
so much. That's awesome. Well, hopefully with this, with us collaboring

1697
02:22:37.959 --> 02:22:41.879
like this and they actually get to
hear us talk, interact and cover something

1698
02:22:41.959 --> 02:22:46.959
like zombies together, maybe more people
will start heading over too. Yeah,

1699
02:22:48.159 --> 02:22:50.559
for sure, man, it's a
great show. It's a lot of fun.

1700
02:22:52.120 --> 02:22:58.600
I really liked the last one too, when you talked about the UFOs

1701
02:22:58.760 --> 02:23:01.639
that we're being to classify by the
government and you were talking with the guys

1702
02:23:01.719 --> 02:23:09.559
from Inhuman Experience, Yes, which
Bobby and Bobby are awesome. Yeah,

1703
02:23:09.639 --> 02:23:13.799
they're good, good good dudes,
man, good stuff and a good show.

1704
02:23:13.719 --> 02:23:18.760
They're they're really cool. I listen. I saved their episodes so as

1705
02:23:18.799 --> 02:23:24.319
soon as most likely tomorrow, since
we've already wrapped this up a little bit

1706
02:23:24.399 --> 02:23:28.639
I'll start listening to some of theirs, because I haven't think, like six

1707
02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:33.440
episodes saved, ready to like go, but I haven't had time to just

1708
02:23:35.239 --> 02:23:39.200
sit and binge like I would like
to. But they will be so happy

1709
02:23:39.280 --> 02:23:41.000
for that because they are such big
fans of your show too. Well,

1710
02:23:41.040 --> 02:23:46.079
maybe they'll hear this. They'll hear
this for sure. I mean, if

1711
02:23:46.079 --> 02:23:50.399
anybody makes it, what two and
a half hours into an episode, is

1712
02:23:50.440 --> 02:23:54.920
it really it feels like like that
just slowed. It felt like that,

1713
02:23:54.280 --> 02:23:58.680
right, Yeah, good stuff,
and we covered a lot, yes,

1714
02:24:00.520 --> 02:24:05.120
all these different things that could lead
to zombies. We love zombie movies.

1715
02:24:05.479 --> 02:24:09.360
Now we know how they might happen. Yeah, all creepy stuff, like

1716
02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:15.920
like shit, this could really happen. Is this creepy? Absolutely? Absolutely,

1717
02:24:16.360 --> 02:24:18.520
if you have a mind that can
think that way, you know,

1718
02:24:18.680 --> 02:24:24.600
like that's oh, that's crazy.
Definitely. And I'm gonna close out the

1719
02:24:24.639 --> 02:24:28.639
episode, so I guess all we
can really do now is keep an eye

1720
02:24:28.680 --> 02:24:35.520
out for shambling deer and elk ants
with mushrooms on their heads, fish flying,

1721
02:24:37.639 --> 02:24:41.559
yes, and maybe stay away from
those things. Yeah, Steer Clear,

1722
02:24:43.200 --> 02:24:45.719
thank you so much for having me
on. That was really awesome.

1723
02:24:46.200 --> 02:24:50.559
Of course, anytime, appreciate it. Thank you guys so much for listening.

1724
02:24:50.959 --> 02:25:07.719
I'll see y'all later. No Bader
say I'm good looking. The body

1725
02:25:07.079 --> 02:25:13.799
and the way to from my stun
deep inside of Yell can never feel away.

1726
02:25:15.440 --> 02:25:22.159
There is no mistake from my stun
deep inside Yell. Almost to blame

1727
02:25:22.799 --> 02:25:28.840
prison called the pray. My stun
deep beside Yell only only dreams. No

1728
02:25:30.079 --> 02:25:33.120
one to send your grace from my
stun deep beside