1 00:00:13,519 --> 00:05:31,560 Some see stakes er spring in times, springs us spring to words. All 2 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:40,040 right, welcome to the next discussion, as we continue the analysis of the 3 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:46,079 Jordan Peterson personality course that he did in twenty fifteen. We did this a 4 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,199 few weeks ago and we had a bunch of stuff come up, so I'm 5 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:54,759 glad to get back to it, and I've done the next two lectures of 6 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:00,399 his on Jean Piaget, most famous for child psychology, but according to Peterson, 7 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:05,920 is very influential and important for Carl Young, and he argues that for 8 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:15,639 Carl good Jung there is tremendous amount of influence from Jean piage I encountered PJ 9 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,959 in maybe one class. I think, maybe we read one thing from him 10 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:24,000 when I was doing Underground, I think, and I never really paid a 11 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:30,959 lot of attention to it. And then years later I encountered him again in 12 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,920 an odd way through looking at Egyptology. I'm not an egyptologist. I don't 13 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:42,959 really have that huge of an interest in Egyptology. I think it's interesting. 14 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,360 I think the parallels between the Memphite creation narrative in Genesis and all that stuff 15 00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:55,519 is very fascinating. And I know a little bit about Egyptology. I'm certainly, 16 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,720 certainly not any kind of expert, but I encountered some of this through 17 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:06,360 a Egyptologist that I stumbled upon when I was looking at the parallels between how 18 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:13,920 Egyptians also had this idea, probably what passes into Plato's Timaeus, of the 19 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,519 microcosm of the macrocosm. So they had this idea that the human body or 20 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:24,959 maybe even you know Pharaoh or as the image of Rob, that he's a 21 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:29,519 microcosm of the macrocosm. And if you know about Plato's Tamaus, you know 22 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:35,639 Plato says that the information the Tomaus came from Solon, who was a Greek 23 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:42,519 philosopher guys statesman who went and got the traditions of the Egyptians from their priests 24 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,600 and brought that to the Greeks. And so the claim, at least in 25 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:55,920 the Tomaus, is that the secrets of Platonism are actually the secrets of ancient 26 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,879 Egyptology. So the then is that the Tomaus, which is the most famous 27 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,800 of Plato's, the most famous of his not ever discussed dialogues, which, 28 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:11,040 for whatever everybody talks about, you know, the other ones like Crito and 29 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:20,319 you know Faido and these southern winds. But the Tomaus is his cosmogeny, 30 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:28,920 his philosophy, theology of the origin of the universe, and so a lot 31 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:31,919 of things that you've already seen referenced in doctor Peterson's lectures, like the Ora 32 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:39,960 Borros, this is prominent in Plato's Tamaus, and other things come out of 33 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,840 the Tomaus that you've probably heard of, like the platonic solids, the idea 34 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:48,799 that the universe is in some ways structured from its smallest level to its macro 35 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:58,000 level. Again another kind of macrocosm microcosm relation. And for those that may 36 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:00,600 be new to this, we're just gonna I'll show you briefly here at the 37 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,120 platonic solide that you know, you've probably seen this in geometry mathematics that comes 38 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:11,240 up pretty frequently. That would be things like this. And if you watch 39 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,080 the lectures and interviews that we've done with the father Vladimir, or the talk 40 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,720 that we did with him live, then you've seen him analyzed. You know, 41 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:26,559 a lot of the Renaissance art in regard to these platonic solid structures, 42 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,759 because this is a big part of Renaissance neo platonism and esotericism, tetrahedron, 43 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:37,960 octahedron, icosahedron, hexahedron, dodecahedron, and so we get you know, 44 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:48,080 this fascinating almost mysterious presentation in the Tamaus that the universe is in some way 45 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:56,440 structured from its lowest levels to its highest levels. And for those that would 46 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,679 like to support the show, by the way, I did see some of 47 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,480 the super chats that came in night. I appreciate those. There you go, 48 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:09,039 you can support the show there anyway. Platonic solids are very important in 49 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,200 the Tamaus. Tomas is a very difficult enigmatic text. So it's definitely not 50 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,120 if you if you're not replicate Plato's dialogue, it wouldn't I wouldn't recommen sorry 51 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,799 that the grasses are like the highest level grass pollen allergies they've ever been here 52 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:28,919 in Tennessee. They're like out of nine today, So I'm really I've already 53 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:35,200 taken two organic allergy medicines and it's like it's not doing anything. So today 54 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:39,519 it's pretty rough. So you're just gonna have to deal with it. Was 55 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,120 you always snorting because I'm attacked by a demon known as pollen Boy. By 56 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:46,320 the way, there's a horror maybe that came out about a pollen demon, 57 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,720 so maybe I should watch that. Maybe it's insightful into what's going on. 58 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,200 The song in the intro is literally on the screen when the song's playing, 59 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:03,360 so everybody's who does your intro music? It literally says on the screen who 60 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,039 the artist is? So I don't know what why people can't figure this out. 61 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,559 Maybe people are new to this channel. They're like, why is the 62 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:15,039 new story to live stream? Because I didn't So that's how it is. 63 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,639 What was you so mean? Because I am meanest man on Internet Awards, 64 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:26,679 So welcome you guys. If you don't know. We did a previous two 65 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:33,200 parts series on Peterson and now we're continuing with lecture too. These are all 66 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,000 half and halfs, meaning that you get access to the first half here in 67 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:41,200 the public section, and then you get access to the second half by subscribing 68 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:45,840 to my member section on my website for four nine five months six dollars a 69 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:48,399 year. You can also subscribe on rock fin as well. It's just a 70 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:54,200 little different, but oftentimes it's the same content most of the time. A 71 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,320 little bit of difference between the two. But the website has all of my 72 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:03,320 archives going all the way back the last eight or nine years. So it 73 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:05,480 was about eight or nine, maybe ten years ago when I was really reading 74 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:13,759 this Egyptology stuff from one of the Egyptologists who made a lot of use of 75 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:18,759 PJ and he pointed out that there's a parallel, he thinks between what the 76 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:26,200 representation of the Egyptian gods and the ogdoad, the Hindo Ad, the hint 77 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,360 Ad, excuse me, the deckad, you know, the eight nine ten 78 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:37,759 key deities, which sometimes people map onto the ten Sefferat. Sometimes people map 79 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:43,000 that onto the Porphyrian tree, kind of a structure of the universe, the 80 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,679 tree of life structure. We saw that in the first part when we analyzed 81 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,919 the Peterson talk. The other good news, too, is that I will 82 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,639 finally be getting a table, because I'm sick of this horrible glass table and 83 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:01,360 it has annoyed me for three years straight. So people ask, what does 84 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:07,360 that sound? It is a stupid table. It's a glass table. And 85 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,960 I appreciate Mom for giving it to me because it was a hand me down, 86 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:13,840 free glass table. I'm sure it was a nice, expensive table, 87 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:30,960 but it's the worst possible table for live streaming. There you got. I 88 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,759 just did a techno remix, the Techno table remix for you guys who would 89 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:39,399 hit like and share. We're covering nonsense, just getting recovering. Jordan Peterson 90 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:43,200 on PSJ. Anyway, So pj's most famous, as everybody knows, probably 91 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:52,080 for child psychology and the locomotive aspects of how a child develops his motor functions 92 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:58,840 and relationship of his body to the external world and learns things like depth perception, 93 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:07,039 learns things like object permanence and so forth. And Peterson argues that there's 94 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,559 a lot of philosophy. I don't know if he even calls it that, 95 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,799 but as I'm hearing him lecture through PJ, I'm like, well, these 96 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:20,720 are just philosophical issues, and maybe that's why the Egyptology stuff that I was 97 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:24,799 reading ten years ago found a lot of parallel with PJA. So I haven't 98 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:31,759 read enough PJ himself to know if he is platonic or influenced by Neoplatonism. 99 00:14:31,639 --> 00:14:39,240 Certainly Kadjung is neoplatonic or influenced by Platonism. The archetypes will have their patterns 100 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:45,039 and their predecessors, and platonic ideas as well as gnostic ideas. And this 101 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:52,000 isn't even controversial. Karl Young's famous Red Book is explicitly a neo Gnostic presentation. 102 00:14:52,440 --> 00:15:01,879 Furthermore, other texts like Karl Young's aon which interestingly Peterson references in the 103 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,440 next lecture. So the next lectures on Karl Young, aon which I've not 104 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:09,080 read the entire I read the expert that I have in one of my books. 105 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,799 It presents a dualistic, quasi Luciferian ideology. Literally, and I'm not 106 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:24,440 being sensational. Karl Young in the essay explicitly says that Christ and lucifer are 107 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:31,320 the same. They're flip sides of the same dialectical coin. He says, 108 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,960 Antichrist is Christ. They're just kind of the same coin, flipped from different 109 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:41,519 perspectives. And that's part of the reason why Peterson in the Karl Young talk, 110 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:43,000 which is the one after this, which will be covering in the part 111 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:50,679 too for subscribers, Peterson says Young is one of the most frightening thinkers of 112 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:58,799 all time. He keeps using this Young's terrifying why he's absolutely terrifying, right, 113 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,159 and then ties it in with a lot of Nietzsche again, so the 114 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:07,960 borders of psychology and philosophy are very blurred, and I don't have a problem 115 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:17,320 with it. It's just that I don't know that Peterson's focus on psychology it 116 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:22,240 kind of translates into what he's saying philosophically and ironically, some of the texts 117 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:30,000 that I've been working through more recently that deal with metaphysics in the first thousand 118 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,039 years of Christianity, they actually it's actually dealing with the very things that Peterson 119 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:38,799 is translating to his psychology audience in these lectures. So it's really weird, 120 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:47,240 kind of a providential synchronicity, shall we say, Karl good John. By 121 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:53,080 the way, my rap name is young Boomer, like Junng Jung Boomer. 122 00:16:56,679 --> 00:16:59,639 If you guys would hit like and share support the show of I extremely I 123 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,440 was by the right, the link is in the show description. Stream Labs 124 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:08,960 is how we do super chats now since twenty eighteen, so we've been demonetized 125 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,279 since twenty eighteen, so it's all through stream labs, So you use the 126 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:15,599 stream labs link if you guys would. By the way, I don't know 127 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,519 why the volume was so low. It's like it resets so annoying. Is 128 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:30,079 that better? It's weird? So back to you know, PJ. As 129 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:36,640 we said, Peterson sees him as tremendously influential for Krawl Young, and when 130 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:41,920 we get to Young we'll see why. But I wish Peterson had focused more 131 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:49,680 on archetypes in the Young lecture. He mainly talks about a lot of things 132 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:56,160 that occurred in the twentieth century to kind of scare people. And I guess 133 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:04,279 he's just looking for events cold war, you know, apocalypticism, whatever that 134 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:10,920 touches us on a deep level of our our deepest seated fears. So he 135 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,640 probably thought that was a more practical way to translate these ideas to his audience. 136 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:23,880 But in regard to PJ, he says that is interested in knowledge, 137 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:27,640 which is interesting because you know, in the history of epistemology, what happens 138 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:34,720 in the twentieth century especially, is that epistemology kind of capitulates to psychology and 139 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:40,440 psychologism. And that's not to say that there aren't philosophers that you know, 140 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:48,559 don't continue to do epistemology or analytical philosophy, and you know, analytical epistemology 141 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:56,319 or something like that that does exist, but the predominant majority opinion, you 142 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,559 know, kind of is moving in that direction of science antism, and Neil 143 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,799 de grass Tyson's kind of you know, what's the point of philosophy, What's 144 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,480 what's even the point of it? It's what's the time? Right, So 145 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:15,799 I'm talking in terms of like predominant percentages, right, more and more the 146 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:21,880 study of psychology. And this is what we get in Quine, right, 147 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:27,279 Quine's naturalized epistemology is really just psychology, and he says something to that effect, 148 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,839 Right, what's the point of epistemology anymore? We might as well just 149 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,799 do psychology. We're just studying brain states. It's no longer about theory of 150 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:41,000 knowledge, the status of knowledge, right, meta epistemology, that's all done, 151 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:45,559 because that's all medieval stuff, right, post Kant, post Hume, 152 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:52,759 it's all done. So Peterson again is launching into a theory of knowledge, 153 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:56,039 which is not really a theory of knowledge, but it's attempting to be via 154 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,720 PG. I'm not saying that Peterson agrees report with PJ, but will notice 155 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:10,200 as he lectures through this that he is touching on epistemology issues while trying to 156 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,559 remain in the domain of psychology, and so he says the PJ is actually 157 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,960 not so much focused on child psychology, which is what he's known for, 158 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,839 but he actually wrote like vast volumes of texts that deal with what we would 159 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:30,759 call philosophical questions. What is knowledge is a pressing issue for PJ. And 160 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:37,039 in the process of modernity, knowledge is not a state, according to PJ. 161 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,160 So I detect from Peterson that we're moving into the domain of the pragmatic. 162 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,119 We can learn things, we can know facts, and what is the 163 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:52,480 law of this process? Apparently is one of the concerns of PJ. And 164 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:59,400 he launches into a discussion of Thomas Cohon's scientific Structure Scientific Relations, which, 165 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,000 as every hopefully in this audience, famous text one awards because it was dealing 166 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:11,880 with the fact that when new revolutionary ideas and science emerge, they are not 167 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:15,799 immediately adopted on the basis of who has the best facts and logic. In 168 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:23,720 fact, new ideas are almost universally dismissed and opposed, and that's because the 169 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,880 entrenched paradigms don't want to give up the entrenched paradigm and kind of makes sense 170 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:37,200 in terms of, you know, human weaknesses why that would be nobody wants 171 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,759 to be wrong, Nobody wants to give up their entrenched system. They cling 172 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,480 to it. We see this in every debate, every time a position is 173 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:48,559 challenged, every time somebody has their paradigm kind of collapsed and destroyed in a 174 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,960 debate, or you know, in a conversion situation. It's a very arduous 175 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:57,920 struggle that people go through. It's a kind of death and resurrection, which 176 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,160 Peterson, for instance, the previous lecture right converting from atheism to you know, 177 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:07,920 something else, or from religion to atheism, right, that these processes 178 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:14,599 are oftentimes can be very upending and tumultuous and a kind of death even, 179 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,039 and so scientific revolutions are no different. A lot of the famous Coon book, 180 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:25,160 which argues basically that we're all kind of stuck in our ivory towers, 181 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,079 and we can't get out of these ivory towers because systems are incommensurate. They're 182 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,359 incommensurable, they don't overlap, and so you have your system, my system, 183 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,079 and so what happens is that one system just has to basically replace the 184 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,319 old system. That's it. And that just happens over time as the old 185 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:48,240 system wears down. But It's insightful because the book demonstrates that the way most 186 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,519 normies, for example, think about how science works, all the scientism soy 187 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:59,279 Reddit people, doesn't work that way. There's not a high council of science 188 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,920 that just estigates the objective facts and knowledge and then adopts the new correct position. 189 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:11,240 Totally ridiculous, naive, and nonsensical just given basic human nature. So 190 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:19,559 I certainly think you could critique Koon's conclusion that will therefore all paradigms are incommensurate 191 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:25,519 and we can never be outside of our paradigms, because Koon doesn't consider the 192 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:30,839 possibility of transcendental arguments and comparing and contrasting paradigms as a whole, and that 193 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:37,720 you can actually prove in disprove paradigms based on transcenial arguments. But Koon's book 194 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:42,079 is great, it's illustrative, it's relevant for showing that there's no such thing 195 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:48,480 as a theory neutral objective science. Science is part of some paradigm, and 196 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:56,759 thus it cannot operate as a non theory laden adjudicator of truth, falsehood, 197 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:03,319 fact, lie, etc. It's not possible, by the very by the 198 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,799 very virtue of what it is. It literally cannot do that. And you've 199 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:12,039 seen us bring those up many times in debates with atheists naturalists when they bring 200 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,319 up value judgments, you know, when they try to have is oughts derived 201 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,880 from is. And so you know Peterson understands that much, at least because 202 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,119 he recently brought it up with Sam Harris. But uh, you know PJ. 203 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:33,720 He's saying, then has this concern post you know, dealing with koons 204 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,720 stuff. He because he Peterson, I'm saying, sites the coun stuff. 205 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:41,559 And then so the idea here is that will children have sequences of in stages 206 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:45,359 of development? And this of course what PJ is mainly known for. But 207 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:52,559 the idea here is that can we find a schema, a repeated pattern amongst 208 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,839 many instances of events or perception of objects, or the growth of a child, 209 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,359 et cetera that creates it's a mental structure, a schema you know, 210 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:10,480 maybe kants categories which are just psychologized versions of Aristoli's categories, something like this 211 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,799 that allows us to interpret and give meaning to the world. And so you 212 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,440 know, this is probably I haven't watched maps of meaning yet, but I 213 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:26,640 assume this overlaps with maps of meaning and how we need underlying archetypal structures or 214 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:30,680 universals, or a lot of problem with the one of the many, and 215 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:34,519 so forth, going back to played with the priestsocratics in order to predicate and 216 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:38,759 have meaning at all. So again I have not gotten to maps of meaning 217 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:42,359 yet I'm assuming, based on what I've just heard, that that's probably the 218 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,519 kind of direction that he will go in. And again it's not surprising because 219 00:25:47,559 --> 00:26:00,839 of course Carl Young does have platonic influence. Let's see he mentions constructivism and 220 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:07,519 he says that our I'm assuming I think he means our schemas are they genetic? 221 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,039 Like what gives us meaning and perception and consciousness is a genetic or is 222 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,599 it environmental? Maybe it's a false dialectic. He says the environment is actually 223 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:21,119 an information field. I agree with that we integrate that into our own inner 224 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:27,279 information processor here, and so information in information also is symbiotic. There's an 225 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:36,359 active approach to knowing you've heard me. In reference to Alba noe book Action 226 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,799 and Perception, that's one of the arguments of that book is that there's a 227 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:45,559 symbiotic relationship between perception not being just a blank slate receiving thing on our end 228 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:51,319 tyby Larrassa, but actually that there's an inactive approach that we are active in 229 00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:55,720 perceiving. So that ties in also with PJA because in the no A book 230 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,559 there's a lot of discussions of infant locomotion and how babies learned depth, perception 231 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:10,039 and stuff like that. So he argues that there's a pragmatic approach that PJ 232 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:18,359 has, which is that knowledge is not merely abstract or propositional, but that 233 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:26,680 there is this learned experiential approach to knowledge. And thus infants and other you 234 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:33,559 know, entities, creatures, presumably animals as well, infant animals, infant 235 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:38,799 baby, human babies, et cetera, they develop these schema and structures from 236 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:47,359 experience, at least in part. Hence the pragmatic element here. PJ is 237 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,519 very pragmatic, Peterson says. And he's also interested in how you as an 238 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:56,720 individual to apply the knowledge that you obtain. So I think there's definitely insights 239 00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:59,119 in this. That's why I'm trying to translate it into you know, the 240 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,880 Alvinoe book Action and Perception, because probably and I haven't read that book in 241 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,119 many years, but I mean PGA might even be cited in the book and 242 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,160 don't recall it wouldn't be surprised because seems like they're interested in the same issues 243 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,839 and questions. And then Peterson mentions that point I said about new information coming 244 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:22,240 in and can conceivably then demolish older paradigms, and he likens this to when 245 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,720 you're a child and you know, you're learning to move around the room and 246 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:30,319 babies are crying and bumping into things, and then so you know, you 247 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,519 bump into something three or four times as a child, and it's a little 248 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,039 mini traumatic experience, and so now you know not to try to run into 249 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:42,240 the wall because you can't run through walls like a Jedi in Minister Goats. 250 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,480 So you've learned from this mini trauma to re configure how you go about interacting 251 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:52,359 in the world. Solid objects do not allow me to pass through them. 252 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:03,000 Thus, new information can demolish our paradigms, and then we reconfigure and restructure 253 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:08,680 in our inner workings how we then act in the world. And he's saying 254 00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:14,119 that you can then take those principles that you apply to a child and their 255 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,799 development of you know, locomotive functions and all that, and apply that on 256 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,160 a bigger scale to what happens to you know, individuals when they are older 257 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:27,799 and they encounter new information that you know, argumentation that demolishes their previous paradigm. 258 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,720 I'm a Protestant that I encounter, you know, arguments from the Church 259 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:37,759 fathers, and then my whole worldview collapses something like this, or Pearson also 260 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:44,680 likens it to drug experiences where you have a really you know, explosive bad 261 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,720 trip or something like that, maybe not even a bad trip, and it 262 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,079 you know, absolute and seeing God, dude, you know, something like 263 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:59,359 that, your worldview changes. New information thus demolish our paradigms and create a 264 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:06,440 new kind of up thrower direction, which you mentioned in the previous talk in 265 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:11,880 Trench paradigms can resist change. That's the point of referring to Thomas Coon, 266 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,799 as we said, and he's saying that that's a humans work. There was 267 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,759 an interesting talk too about the limitations. Now this was a twenty fifteen lecture, 268 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,400 and he goes into start talking about darpadogs, so he's kind of hinting 269 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,519 at transhumanism and AI and the capabilities and possibilities. And he did make a 270 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:34,359 good point that even at that time now maybe darp and m I T have 271 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:41,200 overcome this difficulty. But he was making the point that a lot of things 272 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,119 that we think, oh, computers are going to take over everything, probably 273 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,880 not. I mean, because even something that you might think is innocuous, 274 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:55,920 like busting a table, Peterson points out that that's a really complex task that, 275 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,880 as far as he was arguing at that time, Uh, DARPA has 276 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,440 not been able to create a robot that can successfully clean tables, right, 277 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:12,759 because it involves all kinds of you know, equations, I guess to figure 278 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:17,000 out, oh, this spill needs to be wiped, this glass has turned 279 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,960 over, it needs to be turned up, and you know, all this 280 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:22,640 kind of stuff is very complex that you might think, oh, well, 281 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:29,799 we could easily create you know, uh diner waitress bot. You need more, 282 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,799 You need more tighter dots with that. Oh, you nate more tighter 283 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,240 dots. If you go in a diner, right, there's always a raspy 284 00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:44,039 cigarette voiced woman in there. You want more tighter dods with that cannot clean 285 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,480 up your table. Maybe y'all have never been into a diner or a greasy 286 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:56,359 spoon in the South. Well, now, uh, Virginia Slim Grandma is 287 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:02,799 going to be replaced with Virginia on Grandma bought word, straight busting, straight 288 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:09,400 busting tables. Baby, Grandma will never raspy Virginia slim taighter tot. Grandma 289 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:14,519 will never be replaced. You can quote Jordan Peterson on that one. Baby. 290 00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:16,119 By the way, if you want to support the show by stream labs, 291 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,920 you can use the stream labs function. We've only had one super chat. 292 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:27,119 Everybody's being stingy today. It's okay. If you enjoy this, you 293 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:35,079 can support me right there and we are learning about Jean pj Jean. That's 294 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:39,839 the name of the diner, raspy cigarette tatter, todd waitress. Her name's 295 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:46,160 Jane. Going over there to Jay. Give you some small tighter tots. 296 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:51,799 Honey, you want small Calvey, you only top at coffee if honey, 297 00:32:52,039 --> 00:33:00,599 okay, darling tighter tots. Grow your own grandma some what he Sam just 298 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,880 kidding? Build your own grandma like Anakin built three po remember that? Are 299 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:17,160 you an angel? Are you an angel? I want to be in the 300 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:25,200 race, Oh Anny, Oh Lenny, Oh shit, what do I do? 301 00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:32,759 I hit their own button? Oh Lenny, I'm trying to remember some 302 00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:39,519 of Annie's stupid lines. He's got some real zingers when he's talking to Wado 303 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:45,599 Remember that, But I can't remember the dumb lines and he has, He's 304 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,759 always like he's It's like Qui gon Gin shows up and they're eating dinner and 305 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:55,200 Annie just blurt. Annie is blurting out all this nonsense and bragging about the 306 00:33:55,319 --> 00:34:01,400 Bunta race, bragging about building freaking building a gay robot. It's like Anakin, 307 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:08,920 why why would you build a gay British robot? Are you an angel? 308 00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:12,760 And then he that's he's trying to spit game at Natalie Portman says, 309 00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:20,239 are you an angel? What's another one of Annie's lines? I've already forgotten? 310 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:29,440 Are you my dad? Now? This is podcasting, right? Who 311 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:36,559 else is gonna give you an Annie impression and a Wado impression out the middle 312 00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:40,880 of nowhere? Bro? Not a little orphan Annie. I'm talking about Anakin 313 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,800 Skywalker day. Ain't you ever seen fans on there? That's wrong? Y'allly 314 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,079 never seen Fantom Menace. He's got some really dumb lines. I'm trying to 315 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:58,719 remember some other lines anyway, I can't remember my top of my head. 316 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:07,719 You got Liam Neeson over there making up bullshit science submit his Midclorian counters off 317 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,519 the charts. Midaclorian, dude, faking gay. They ain't no such thing 318 00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:21,880 as Mediclorian's. That's a bunch of dang pseudo science made up Non's meta clorians. 319 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:28,239 Give me a Breakdobe, you slept through phantoms? What's another one of 320 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,239 his funny lines. If you go back and watch Phantom Menace, Jamie and 321 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,280 I watched noting like we were laughing at just how ridiculous Andy's lines are. 322 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:45,639 He's just constantly blurting out all this nonsense and he's he's constantly blurting and bragging. 323 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,679 He's really annoying as a kid. But it's also funny when you watch 324 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,039 it, like you go watch it, it's he will The movie is so 325 00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,760 cheeseball and corny that it'll make you laugh. And I don't know who's who's 326 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,400 worse, Annie or jar Jar. It's hard to say. Jar Jar is 327 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:13,079 kind of like he's come out like it's so bad that it's come out the 328 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:16,800 other end that it's good, you know what I mean, like Jingle all 329 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,360 the way right, there's this there's this rare class of movies that were like 330 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:30,440 big kind of you know theatrical release movies that are so bad that they actually 331 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,239 come out the other end. It's like the oral boros of bad movies. 332 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:42,159 It comes out the butt of that snake that they're good. And I would 333 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,880 actually class Phantom Menace as one of these. It's it's so bad that when 334 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,840 you now go back and watch it is super entertaining. Anyway, maybe we 335 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,960 could tie the medical Oreans into this Jordan Peterson conversation. By the way, 336 00:36:53,800 --> 00:37:00,760 Jordan is all in the news today because the COMMI Canadian government, the calm 337 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:08,719 Nadian government, has mandated that doctor JBP has to go to re education. 338 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,599 I'm not joking. You can't make this up. I saw this headline today 339 00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:19,639 when I was putting this up about JBP, and I'm like, surely they 340 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:25,400 wouldn't openly call it re education. Oh no, they do. No, 341 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:31,840 it is re education. Let's see what the news says here. Let's see 342 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:39,920 what the normy news says. Normy news. Ontario court rules that Jordan Peterson 343 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,599 must undergo media training. One of them calls it. One of them called 344 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,519 it re education. Maybe that was just people in the Twitter calling it that. 345 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:59,880 No, forced re education. Let's see what this is seventy five thousand 346 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:07,559 signatures and counting on the petition calling on Ontario College of Psychologists to abandon the 347 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,840 force re education. So this is him saying this what today? Is this 348 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,320 today? Yeah, this is like a few minutes ago. Okay, So 349 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:22,800 here's Joran Peterson staying this a few minutes ago. Uh, that's pretty crazy. 350 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:30,519 I mean it's almost like in twenty twenty, everything uncloaked in regard to 351 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:37,800 like the globalization, global elites and all that. Everything just they just fully 352 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,599 uncloaked. All right, all right, you got us, We want you 353 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,719 all dad, We're gonna use all the psy ops to koup lock you down. 354 00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:53,079 Uh, we're gonna we're gonna put every education. Yeah yeah, okay, 355 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,280 fine, It's like they just uncloaked. All right, fine, you 356 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,719 got us. Yes, all the conspiracies were correct and everything that you can 357 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,079 is there. Said, now, where's Jordan Peterson on you know, the 358 00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:09,719 conspiracy stuff? Because multiple things that we've seen Jordan Peterson over the last five 359 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,639 years shy away from, he's then had to come back around and say, 360 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,000 oh, I guess you guys were right, But he still won't say conspiracy 361 00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:22,679 theorists are right and you know that's something that I am critical of. So 362 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:30,840 I'm glad that Jordan Peterson has distanced himself from and rejected the sustainability climate scam 363 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:37,639 stuff. Okay, but that means that I wasn't a conspiracy theorist. You 364 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,159 say that means I was correct because I said that that was a globalist scam 365 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:52,039 all along. Stabby's koup right about that. Guess what when it comes to 366 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:55,760 a lot of these other things that doctor Peterson had the RFK on, like 367 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,519 the CIA, and jfk Oh been right about that too, talking about that 368 00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:06,239 for fifteen twenty years, Guess what we're right about the other things too, 369 00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:10,960 Big nine right in Kiltra, We're right about all those other things. So 370 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,880 maybe we know about this other stuff that we've been talking about for twenty years 371 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:22,719 that the normay people are just now figuring out. I'm not knocking the normal 372 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,440 persons for just now figuring it out. Come on into the hot tub. 373 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,079 The water's warm and we've been waiting for y'all. But look, don't be 374 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:37,119 trying to take a bunch of credit like you broke these stories or figured all 375 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:44,440 this shit out after calling us tempol hack kooks for the last twenty years, 376 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:52,119 ridicule, mocking people losing their jobs, worse over these topics for the last 377 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:59,199 twenty years. This is the great era of vindications, the last three years 378 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,760 especially. I can't even keep up with all of the conspiracies that have been 379 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,920 correct. Like Harrison Smith made that video, he went there, like twenty 380 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:15,840 of them where we've been right. I guess, well, there's more than 381 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,920 that now. I didn't get everything right right. And that's part of what 382 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,400 Peterson is getting into in this talk actually, which is new information should does 383 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,480 and ought to re orient our paradigm. However, as human beings, because 384 00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:36,960 we are falling, in my view by the way twenty fourteen, fifteen twenty 385 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:44,960 fourteen lectures, we often resist change. And I couldn't help. But as 386 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,679 I listened to this lecture of doctor Peterson, and I'm not knocking him when 387 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,480 I say this, it's honest thoughts and criticism. Again, he says a 388 00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:57,840 lot of true things, but also I have some critiques. One of those 389 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,519 critiques say is the very thing that you say here in this And then the 390 00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:07,639 next lecture about krul Young about being open minded, highly open individuals, creative 391 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:15,519 individuals, they ought to be open to information and going where the data leads, 392 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,679 even if it's uncomfortable. Well, you mean, like where we conspiracy. 393 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,559 There's have been telling you for the last what how many years has Joan 394 00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:28,320 Peterson has been popular now, twenty fifteen sixteen? Is that when he really 395 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,000 started popping off? Okay, so we're almost ten years. We're eight years 396 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:43,719 into the popularity of Peterson. And from that initial period, many many, 397 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:50,320 many conspiracy people who many of them done. I mean, RFK is he 398 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,480 count as a conspiracy theorist? I mean he's just a So this is becoming 399 00:42:54,519 --> 00:43:01,920 the norm and it's just more and more difficult to really make that boomer era 400 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,880 label stick. It's such a boomer critique, right, Oh, he's a 401 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,320 conspiracy theorist because look, we're in the age of the Internet. This stuff 402 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,719 comes out, people are people are figuring all this out at faster and faster 403 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,119 speeds. Yes, there's a lot of normies. It's still taking people too 404 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:29,400 long to figure out stuff. But look this profile who promotes my stuff version 405 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:37,760 and versionism he put up the other day. This look right, and I'm 406 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,159 I'll share it with you guys. I mean, we're at the point where 407 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:45,480 you know, this gets thousands of likes, over a thousand shares in no 408 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:55,000 time. The conspiracy theorist title was created, concocted by the CIA to manage 409 00:43:55,039 --> 00:44:00,400 perception and destroy the credibility and character of the people questioning the JFK event. 410 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:07,039 So what's interesting is that even if you don't believe the narrative of conspiracy, 411 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:10,960 even if you think the official story of JFK is the case, why would 412 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,639 the CIA have to concoct an entire psychological operation geared towards discrediting and attacking the 413 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:24,360 people who are questioning the Warren Commission back in the sixties. Ergo, Conspiracy 414 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,880 theorist is a CIA created term, a weaponized term, just like Tavistock and 415 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,960 other entities weaponized terms like isolationism. That's part of what they do at Tavistock. 416 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,000 Been talking about that for how many years? Lord Valdemort talked about it 417 00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:50,199 yesterday, and there you have it, weaponized term, conspiracy theorist. In 418 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,960 other words, they were raising good questions, and so rather than deal with 419 00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,480 their questioning of the JFK event, destroy them and their character. This was 420 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:07,159 in the nineteen sixties, the late sixties. Is this CIA document. It 421 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:16,119 was declassified in ninety three. It's a nineteen sixty seven CIA document. So 422 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:24,039 do you understand this is mockingbird stuff? We just covered mocking Bird. I've 423 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:34,400 got the freaking Wilson. I've been reading the mocking Bird book by the dude 424 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,199 that wrote the book on it. We did a whole talk on that. 425 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,480 We broke down. This is not new, guys. I mean you think 426 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,880 ministream media is corrupt? Trump called it up. It's been corrupt for back 427 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:59,239 to freaking Rockefeller, Howard or Hurst. What are you talking about? Quickly 428 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:06,239 talks about mainstream media and publications being corrupt at last hundred years. Quickly says 429 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,000 in Anglo American establishment that the British elite bought the Rothschilds, et cetera. 430 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:15,159 They bought off all the major publications in the UK in the eighteen nineties and 431 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,400 nine. It's like, what are you talking about? The media's corrupt? 432 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,639 Oh well, welcome to level one of what we've researched and talked about for 433 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:30,559 twenty years. So now I'm not being mean or rude. I'm happy that 434 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:36,360 people are waking up to it. But look, y'all need to get up 435 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:42,239 to speed, and you need to get out of this childish, ridiculous attitude 436 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,480 of trying to take credit for stuff that people have been putting out for twenty 437 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:50,800 thirty years or more, acting like y'all figuring this stuff. You didn't figure 438 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,880 this stuff out. You made fun of everybody who talked about it, disc 439 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,079 to everybody who talked about it for the last twenty years. All right, 440 00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:00,440 So Pierson needs to, I think, get up to speed on this stuff 441 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,920 daily wire and all those people they don't want to touch, They don't want 442 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:10,079 to talk about conspiracy, even though it's in everybody's face. So I mean, 443 00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:15,719 I'm sorry that Boomers can't deal with conspiracy. It's just a reality. 444 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:23,119 And it's not my fault that y'all are super conditioned. Okay, conspiracies are 445 00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:30,639 real, doesn't mean they're all real. There's there's a lot of disinformation. 446 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,840 There's a lot of dumb stuff out there that itself is also a conspiracy theory 447 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,960 because or an actual conspiracy, I should say, because I can give you 448 00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:49,719 the paper that Cass Sunstein wrote about how to This is an updated form of 449 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:59,119 what you see in the document by the CIA, where Cass Sunsteen is tasked 450 00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:08,599 with and gives the philosophy for how to disrupt online truth communities by interjecting false 451 00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:15,519 misinformation conspiracy theories. I read this paper back when it came out. This 452 00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:19,920 came out in two thousand and eight. Here it is. You guys can 453 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,760 go read it, maybe learn how this stuff works. He was Obama's one 454 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,480 of Obama's oars, and then he went on to the NSA conspiracy theories, 455 00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:39,559 how they work, and then how to undo them by interjecting false conspiracies into 456 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:47,679 their Internet cultures, mean groups, thread groups, forums, etc. I 457 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,639 mean, I've been studying this for a long time. I'm pretty sure I 458 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,280 understand how this stuff works. But we got all these people who don't know 459 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,079 anything or they are new to all this, and it's just hard to get 460 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:07,119 through to these people. But the irony again, if we want to be 461 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:15,360 open to new information, then you can't be locked into a paradigm that shuts 462 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:22,199 out the information that people like myself talk about. And Peterson himself says you 463 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,880 should be open to these kinds of pieces of information in these talks, So 464 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:31,639 I'm just holding him to what he says. So Page, as we said, 465 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,280 was interested in mind, body, into relations and how they relate to 466 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:42,320 material things and There's an interesting bit in this lecture that dealt with criticisms of 467 00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,599 AI and transhumanism and how you know, there's a lot of these a lot 468 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,719 of stuff isn't really going to do what they claim it's going to do, 469 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,840 so that I agree with. That was a really good insight there. Humans 470 00:49:52,920 --> 00:50:00,440 imitate, babies learned by imitation. Pearson launches into an interesting talk about Russians 471 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,679 and people doing impressions and how we do that when we're babies. We imitate 472 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,360 adults, people that we look up to when we're kids. This is part 473 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,039 of how humans learned. This was something that Poja was very interested in, 474 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:22,079 and so Peterson then ties that into the way that humans construct archetypes. One 475 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:27,800 thing that Peterson doesn't touch on in this talk is the actual ontological status of 476 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,920 archetypes, which I'm interested in. What does he think they are, Where 477 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,480 does he think they're located. Are they in the divine mind? Are they 478 00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:37,119 purely human mental constructs? Is he a platonist where there's an ethereal and personal 479 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:43,679 ideal realm? Would have to see, But at this point he's just dealing 480 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:49,719 with poj schemas that are constructed out of an infant learning the way that he 481 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,039 can operate in the world. And the reason I brought up the Egyptology stuff 482 00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:58,280 is because I was saying many years ago I read a bunch of dis guy's 483 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,400 Egyptology philosophy, which is fastating. I think this guy is kind of a 484 00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:06,119 he's a perennialist. Certainly, I'm not agreeing with or accepting all of his 485 00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:13,760 perennialist views, but in them Van den Dungan the perennialist egyptology guy. He 486 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,119 has a lot of analyzes of Egyptology and Egyptian philosophy, how it influenced for 487 00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:22,920 example, the Les and Aximun or Pythagoras. So the pre Socratics people like 488 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:28,760 this, they're dealing with questions that weren't necessarily made up by them. But 489 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:36,039 Allah of the Tomaus could have potentially come from Egypt. And again, it's 490 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:39,400 been probably ten years since I read any of Van den Dungan's stuff, but 491 00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,800 to my best recollection, and I think I cited him in some of my 492 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,800 essays. His idea is that it is true that Platonism, he argues, 493 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,000 is Egyptology. So I'm sure scholars would say, oh, you know, 494 00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:59,199 in the Tomayus, this is a myth, this is all made up. 495 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,840 Anyway, What does this have to do with what we're talking about. Well, 496 00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:08,960 he makes a lot of interesting parallels to PJ. And you'll notice here 497 00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:15,400 he talks about my own understanding of the philosophy of Egyptology is that it comes 498 00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:22,679 from My contribution is from epistemology to Egyptology, layering the cognitive growth in modes 499 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,000 of thought which developed in stages. This is the genetic approach of PJ. 500 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:35,239 So he utilizes the structures that we find in Egyptology and the gods of Egypt 501 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:42,719 as mapping onto archetypal figures, and Peterson does that as well. Again, 502 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:49,360 I've not read enough Peja to know if Poja himself has any association with Egyptology, 503 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,719 but as we saw in the early Peterson lectures, Peterson makes this connection. 504 00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:57,119 So perhaps Peterson has read Bunggan. I don't know Bend, but he 505 00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:02,039 says the Father, Peter, that is, Peterson takes his PG lecture to 506 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:08,280 talking about the Father, the Great Father, how the Great Father plays this 507 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:13,719 role in society. This, again, in the earlier Peterson talks was from 508 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:27,119 Egyptology sites. Oh, Peterson brings in these other kind of random I don't 509 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,079 know why he brings in Daoism, but he brings in these random statements about 510 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:37,480 Daoism that all things are nothing, which I think is a nonsense statement. 511 00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:42,039 And he says he has this example of the Daoists that if you had every 512 00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:45,760 symphony ever on a recording and you layered it to have all of them playing 513 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,760 at once, it would be white noise, and so therefore all things are 514 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:55,320 nothing. This is a ridiculous category mistake in terms of metaphysics. So the 515 00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:00,840 fact that a bunch of things being sounds being made at once that are that 516 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:06,000 then become incoherent, does not mean that the sounds disappear. They're still there, 517 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,559 and it doesn't mean that they're no thing. Right, So bringing in 518 00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:15,159 the weird Daoist you know, pseudo contradictions, I don't know why he brings 519 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:25,079 that in. But humans imitate. Humans develop through imitation. We learn this 520 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,960 from planned sequences of behaviors. Babies want to get from point eight to point 521 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,639 B. They do this many times, and this path the structures there their 522 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,800 way of doing this, and then they create schemas and this is how it's 523 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:45,000 adopted into Vander Dungen's Egyptology, which is so the baby, for example, 524 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:52,079 has a father and a mother, and so multiple years of interactions between mom 525 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:58,360 and dad, the baby develops this schema, this mental structure about the relationship 526 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:05,000 that's proper to the mom and to the Thus the child develops the father archetype, 527 00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:10,920 which is a real archetype. But exactly what it means to be real, 528 00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:14,639 we don't know yet. We're gonna have to wait and see where Peterson 529 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:22,400 goes in the next talk. So we had a couple of super jests. 530 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,280 Renegade ran eight sixty five. Thank you so much for that A season's five 531 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:34,599 dollars. I think no, that was from last time. BMX thirty dollars, 532 00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,360 Thank you so much. BMX is always a faithful super chat to appreciate 533 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,079 that. Guys, if you would hit, like and share. Also remember 534 00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:44,880 to head on over to chalk dot com, that is Chalk dot com with 535 00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:47,880 choq dot com to get access to the best supplements out there, like the 536 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,360 Sheila Jit one hundred. But I've been chatting quite a bit with Sam Hide 537 00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:57,480 and We're gonna try to figure out a way that I can go train under 538 00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:01,519 the Candyman himself. But we gotta figure out who I can box against. 539 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,000 So Sam and I've been chatting about that and he's like, look, you 540 00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:08,440 gotta start running. So I've actually been running, which I hate to do, 541 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,760 but I gotta get up to like twenty laps, which is crazy. 542 00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:16,679 Freaking hate running, dude. I don't know. I love exercise, it's 543 00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:21,599 just I don't like to run. I don't mind basketball because basketball is not 544 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,079 essentially running. It is essentially putting the ball in the hoop. Running is 545 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:32,480 part of it, but it's the unfortunate part of it anyway. But look 546 00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:35,199 forward to that. I look forward to that. So if we can make 547 00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:42,119 that work, it's gonna be a lot of fun. There was something else 548 00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:49,000 I had with Vanden Dungen I can't remember. I think we need to save 549 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,880 this. I was gonna talk about e Wallace Budge and Egyptian temples. There's 550 00:56:52,920 --> 00:57:00,960 parallels interatly between Egyptian worship temples and the way that God had the Old Testament 551 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,559 Temple structured. And I'm not saying that the Jews ripped off the Egyptians. 552 00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,679 No, to the contrary, probably Egyptians ripped off the Jewish worship. In 553 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:15,400 my view, but that's a whole other issue too, about biblical history and 554 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:20,920 chronology. Cedric says, for five dollars a love of your work. The 555 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,039 recent hype on the civilizations that are lost in ancient Egypt, it might be 556 00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:28,000 a PSI op with UAP stuff. Yeah, I just think that when it 557 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:31,400 comes to a lot of ancient lost civilizations, we just don't know enough about 558 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:37,760 it. It's very speculative. I find it all very fascinating, and you 559 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,360 know, I'm open minded about the various possibilities of you know, could ancient 560 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,800 civilizations have had advanced technology. I suppose that's possible. I mean, I 561 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,480 don't know. There's a lot of inexplicable megaliths that are out there now. 562 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:58,639 Some of the megaliths are explicable. There's easily ways through h you know, 563 00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:07,719 pull systems and h you know, various weights and measures to build and move 564 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:15,599 giant blocks without having to have levitation technology or alien ancient alien garbage. But 565 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,840 perhaps they're where advanced ancients. I don't I don't, you know, I'm 566 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,719 always open minded about anything, right, Like, we're gonna be doing some 567 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,679 upcoming you know, ghost streams and uh, like I said, you know, 568 00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:29,960 it looks like there's a lot of there's a lot of videos that don't 569 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,280 look to be doctored where because like there's some genuine paranormal stuff going on, 570 00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:37,440 probably demonic stuff. Right, So you know, I'm not a closed minded 571 00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:43,920 person, but I've also seen a lot of jibber jabber and nonsense and the 572 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:50,719 whole domain of law civilizations, ancient civilizations, Nephelim and Anoki, it's just 573 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,960 fraught with a bunch of kooks and conman So it would be nice if an 574 00:58:54,000 --> 00:59:00,559 open minded person could in somebody combine that with academia. You know, if 575 00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:05,320 maybe if I had become a bitcoin zillionaire one day, I'll just like take 576 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:13,760 a few years and try to write a scholarly approach to ancient civilizations, and 577 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,360 I'll go on some kind of like quasi Indiana Jones quest, like I wanna 578 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,360 be larp as Indiana Jones or something and go study mega liiths. 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