1 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:30,239 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, share host, 2 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:35,119 and I'm pretty excited about tonight's show. We're going to be talking about the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,600 aerial phenomenon. It's a film coming up by Randall Nickerson, and we have 4 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,799 an actual witness to that case, Emily Trim, who will be joining us 5 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,719 tonight from Canada as well. And we're coming up just six days on the 6 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,640 twenty fifth anniversary of that event, which was actually I don't know why, 7 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,439 I guess I'm kind of a geek in my iPhone geek. I asked how 8 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:03,759 many days ago it was. It was nine thousand and twenty five days ago. 9 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:10,719 So Randall and Emily will be coming up. We have Alejandro Rojas. 10 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,079 He's trying to he was running a little bit late. He's trying to connect 11 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,840 to us. We'll see how that goes, and so hopefully he'll be coming 12 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,719 up with the news. Just just a couple of things. Last week, 13 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,719 I wanted to apologize for not having a show. I went out to the 14 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:33,840 UFO Congress International UFO Congress and tried to do a round robin, a round 15 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:40,000 table there. I had everybody lined up and it just was not happening. 16 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,959 Hang on just a second, Alejandro is trying to join us. I just 17 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,840 have to do a couple of things. It's not working the way he's trying 18 00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:55,640 to do it. So I so my sound card fried in my laptop, 19 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,599 which I always take to me, like in Russia and any place that I 20 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,640 do, any places that I do a show, I bring my laptop with 21 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,840 me. And it just wasn't having any of it. It wasn't working. 22 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,560 I had all kinds of things happen, not just that, other software problems. 23 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:15,719 I was on the phone with Apple for two days. Anyway, long 24 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,520 story short, I couldn't do a show, but I was able to record 25 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:24,479 three interviews, one with James Fox, one with let's see who else was 26 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:30,039 it? The Australians from Victoria, the whole group. I did around Robin 27 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:36,280 with them, and then I did another one. Why am I losing my 28 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:38,439 thought? Who the heck did I do? Oh? Yes? Actually, 29 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:45,759 my very favorite one was with Calvin Parker and Paul Heineck, son of Jay 30 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:47,919 Allan Heineck. How could I forget that? So those will be popping up 31 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:53,759 on YouTube. Also, they will be going out to supporters of the show. 32 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:59,879 So if you are support of the show. You will see these things 33 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,520 pop into your into your media player, or you can access them online. 34 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,360 If you're not, you can always watch the YouTube video currently up. I 35 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:14,039 have two. I have Calvin Parker and Paul Hi Nikop and I also have 36 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,759 James Fox up on my YouTube channel and that's over at Martin Willis Live Shows 37 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,159 over on YouTube. That's a channel. I know it's kind of a silly 38 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,199 name, but anyway, I am really excited for tonight's show. Did I 39 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:29,879 say that already? But I think we got Alejandro on the line. Alejandre, 40 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:35,879 you there, Alejandro, I see you, but there we go. 41 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,400 Can you hear me? I hear you. Welcome to the show. Thank 42 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:46,400 you. You must be on like what they call a sugar high from from 43 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:52,560 the UFO Congress. What I'm a bit on a sugar high, but that's 44 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:58,240 because we awarded ourselves with a cheat breakfast and we went off diet and I 45 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:06,280 had some friend syrup, so literally sugar. Otherwise, I'm still extremely tired, 46 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:11,280 if you can tell from my eyes, I'm just super super tired. 47 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:15,120 I think, you know, all that adrenaline that you're running on most of 48 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,519 the time just has gone away. So yeah, exhausted. Well, I'll 49 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:24,319 tell you you pulled off a great show. There's no other way to say 50 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,279 it. It's so much work. No one has any idea how it is 51 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,959 unless they actually help out. And I did help out. I screwed up 52 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,839 a couple of times on the TriCaster. I felt bad about that, but 53 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,639 overall it was I really enjoyed myself. I had a good time. Well, 54 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,079 you know what, we all screw up a little bit here and there, 55 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:49,759 and likely no major issues. I think even the screw ups that you 56 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:56,000 had, I don't think I had one person comment or even mentioned any of 57 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,720 it, so hopefully they didn't notice. I mean, you did a remarkable 58 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:03,240 job. You're excellent at it. It's so great to have you there helping 59 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,759 out. And yeah, you did such a great job. I mean, 60 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,879 sure there were some tense moments where things weren't exactly on cute, but besides 61 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,000 you and I don't think anybody else noticed. Yeah, yeah, no, 62 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,160 that can that gets That's like doing a live show times ten. Doing a 63 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,199 live show, you're always nervous because the troubles that can happen. You've been 64 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:28,240 through many with me doing the show. So but but there, Oh my 65 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:30,839 God, you're all the people in the audience and you're also recording for your 66 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,399 videos that go out. It's it's pretty intense, but we got through it 67 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:39,160 and it did. It was blast. Do you want to know about that 68 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,000 today? Go ahead, Yeah, I did want to mention. For instance, 69 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,040 you know, what we were doing was a live broadcast and just think 70 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,079 imagine. You know, we gave the Lifetime Achievement Award to George Knapp and 71 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,399 he has to do that on a daily basis. I mean broadcast news. 72 00:05:55,439 --> 00:06:00,600 I did a bit as a college student, and it's so stressful and difficult. 73 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:02,040 Every day. You got to get to work. You gotta hunt down 74 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,439 a story, you gotta hunt down those people, you got to record the 75 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,800 show. Then you get into you know, the office, and then you 76 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,879 do the show live where you have to coordinate all the cameras and stuff. 77 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,720 Where we were doing. In fact, the system you're using was made for 78 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:23,040 that sort of switching on live broadcast, so you know, and you're manning 79 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,920 the whole directing part, so you do a great job with that. But 80 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,439 yeah, it's really stressful and it just you know, George Knapp has been 81 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,160 doing that for so many years and it's kind of funny because I've seen a 82 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:35,800 little bit online where people have said, oh, look, it's just a 83 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:41,360 group of friends giving each other awards, and that makes me kind of curious. 84 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:46,000 True, I'd have to admit I do consider George and Jeremy friends George 85 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:48,399 Jeremy Corbell. But I just to me, and I'd love to hear your 86 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:55,759 opinion, it seems intuitively obvious that George Knapp would receive a Lifetime Achievement award. 87 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,319 For God's sakes, this is a guy who made Area fifty one famous, 88 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,079 you know, and currently he's got the latest breaking news with all of 89 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:09,199 these league documents regarding eight hip, and then of course Jeremy Corbell with his 90 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:15,680 movies Stormary fifty one becoming huge, him bringing Bob Lazzar all over the place. 91 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:19,319 I don't think it takes much to see that, even objectively, you 92 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:26,800 know, these two are deserving of the awards we gave them. But yeah, 93 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:29,600 it was a lot of fun. Well, I gotta tell you, 94 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,680 you know, I I think no matter who are you going to give an 95 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,199 award too, that people are going to complain. I just really do. 96 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:41,600 I just feel that is just what happens these days. You know, I 97 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,639 definitely think George deserved that, even though he stood me up for an interview. 98 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,600 But hopefully he'll be on and he said he would come on the show. 99 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,720 I have to prerecord with him though at some point. But anyway, 100 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:59,800 yeah, I think would not believe. Yeah, I think he definitely deserved 101 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:03,839 that award. Um. You know, you have my thumbs up for that 102 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:07,879 one. Um. But anyway, Uh, like I said, that's just 103 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:11,959 what's going to happen, and it's the way it goes. Um. But 104 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:16,600 it was it was really exciting to see all these people, you know a 105 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,439 lot of them for the first time. That was what I really got out 106 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,439 of got out of the whole thing. It was a wondering Yeah, I 107 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,519 think the whole event turned out um and in retrospect better than expected. Um, 108 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,679 you know. And it's it's it takes a lot of pre work. 109 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:37,799 And you know Karen, for instance, who owns and is the decision maker, 110 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,759 she's the boss when it comes to this conference. People like to give 111 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:43,840 me credit and and thank you for that, and I do you know a 112 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,960 lot. I'm a second her, second hand man. But uh, you 113 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,039 know, it's all that stress and preparation that pays off and the Lord knows 114 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,879 you know, um, it's it's you know, it used to be owned 115 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:00,840 by someone who had deep pockets and he made his money elsewhere. But for 116 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,399 Karen, you know, it's really important that first of all, everything goes 117 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,000 well for reputation, but also you know that there's no major issues for financial 118 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,399 reasons, because it can be much more financially devastating to her than it would 119 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:18,639 be for the previous owners. So the stress you know, that you get 120 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,720 under is monumental. It's it's huge and to do to run the conference and 121 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:28,279 put it on. You know, she really hit it out of the ballpark 122 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,519 on this when it's a unique experience, I think. And you can let 123 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:37,879 me know your thoughts too, because you know the level of professionalism and the 124 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,799 of the speakers, which is something you know, we take a lot of 125 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:46,799 time and effort to make sure that they're all great people, even some of 126 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,720 the newer people to E. Snyder, Lisa Tenney, Sonya Barrett, some 127 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:56,200 of these people who haven't spoken, Debbie Cobble, the focus of the Intruder 128 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,279 book in the movie Incredible, Calvin Parker, Paheeneke, all of these people 129 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,799 who haven't been there before, you know, they were all extraordinary, they 130 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:09,399 were wonderful, they were really good, and so it's very exciting that it 131 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,840 all went so well and that everyone turned out to be so wonderful, including 132 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:16,480 our help, including you, and of course the other great people that were 133 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:22,200 hanging out with and then people like James Fox coming and revealing you know, 134 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:28,399 exclusive information that's never been seen before at the conference. It turned out really 135 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:31,840 really good. And just so people know, you know, any questions you 136 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:35,320 have, please ask Martin, because I know my brain's kind of fried. 137 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:39,879 So if you think there's some news that we should be sharing from the conference, 138 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,080 but we will be especially next week, you know, posting some short 139 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,679 videos and posting lots of news and information about some of the breaking news that 140 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,960 did happen during the conference. Yeah, one of the things I thought, 141 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:54,679 you know, getting back to George Knapp, you and I have had conversations. 142 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,480 We had one just before George went up, and I said to you, 143 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,320 you know that George does not like anyone to you know, say nice 144 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,320 things about him. It drives them crazy. And you and I were laughing 145 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,159 about it and you said to me, you said, yeah, keep it 146 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:15,039 secret that I'm giving him, you know, Lifetime Award. Just keep it 147 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,799 secret or will go out. And that's one of the first things he said 148 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:20,879 to you when he got up there. He said, I knew you know 149 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,480 that if you told me this, I wouldn't have shown up tonight. Yeah, 150 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:28,200 and that was Funnily. I was worried he was going to get mad 151 00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:33,919 because he had told me in the past. Because when we do these awards, 152 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:35,600 we create these videos that show about their life, you know, and 153 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:41,840 why they deserve the awards, and I couldn't ask him for any information. 154 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:46,120 So I had to do my research separately for the video, and I had 155 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,600 to be super secretive because in the past when I told him, well, 156 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,600 we really want you there and we want to give you award on Sunday, 157 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,960 he would say, no, you can't. It's not that you know, 158 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:01,120 Thank you very much, but I really just feel uncover when I get attention 159 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:03,000 for awards and stuff, and not just from us. I know he fills 160 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:07,000 that way with other awards. You know, you don't see him promoting that 161 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:13,320 he has, you know, all these awards from these Edward R. Murrow 162 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,840 Awards and these Emmys and everything. He doesn't talk about that much. Yeah, 163 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:22,159 But so this year I. He never told me that. He never 164 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,600 said, Okay, if I come, don't give me an award, and 165 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,120 I kept expecting it, and I was so worried that he would, even 166 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:31,879 like a week before, after we had done the planning and I did all 167 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:35,240 this work to create the video and the research on his background, and I 168 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:39,519 hope he lets me share this video that I did, because you know, 169 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,720 it shows how he got to where he is and that. But he never 170 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,120 told me that now he'd never caught win, and I was so surprised. 171 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:48,240 He never said don't do it, because then I would have had to have 172 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,440 not so it was great. So we do it and he comes to this 173 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:58,039 stage and he's sweargering kind of like a John Wayne you know ye battle thing. 174 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,919 There is a similar already flick that giving me this look. And he's 175 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,960 like, that was really sneaky alhandro and I said, I know, and 176 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:09,840 I'm just laughing and giggling, and he's like, you know, I wouldn't 177 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,440 have come if you If you I would have known, and I said, 178 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:16,519 I know, I totally know that. So it worked out great. So 179 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:22,240 we were able to sneakily give him this award that he totally deserves. Jeremy 180 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,799 was telling me how shy who was about it afterwards, but of course Jeremy 181 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:31,360 was happy that we were able to reward him too. Yeah, okay, 182 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:35,519 Alejandro, well we've eaten up all our time, so thanks so much and 183 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:39,159 we'll be seeing you next week. Get some good rest and yeah, yeah, 184 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,080 just remember don't jump back on that sugar. It's awful hard once you 185 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,720 take that first butter show. Oh, don't worry about it. That's it. 186 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,679 That's one cheat breakfast. We're going back to die at the rest of 187 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,639 the time. But thank you so much for doing such a great job at 188 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,639 the conference. You were awesome. He was wonderful to have you there, 189 00:13:56,759 --> 00:13:58,879 and I hope you have a great show to day. Thanks a lot, 190 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,120 have a good one. Yeah, all right, so everyone, that's that's 191 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,720 it for the news, and now we're going to bring on our guests. 192 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:13,919 We have we have Randall Nicholson who has created this wonderful film. He's taken 193 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:20,600 forever to do it and he is I know him well enough to tell you 194 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:24,120 this. He is. I call him Randy, but Randall will try to 195 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,840 call him Randall because he's a professional. And when I say he's a professional. 196 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,080 You should look at his wildlife photography and some of his work. He 197 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:39,120 is extremely fussy, perfectionist, and this film has taken a long time. 198 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,120 And after speaking to him the other night or last night actually, he said 199 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:48,320 that he when he watches the film, he loves it, and that's he 200 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,080 is his harshest critic. So I cannot wait for this film to come out. 201 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:56,080 Welcome to the show, you two, Hi Martin, thanks for having 202 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,480 a son. Hi and Emily. You and I met, I don't know 203 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:05,120 three years ago and in Phoenix, and it was we hung out quite a 204 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:07,759 bit. We had a lot of a lot of really great talks and it 205 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:13,879 was very enjoyable to meet you. Yes, yeah, I was wonderful, 206 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:18,639 and you had your artwork. I want to talk about that tonight because I 207 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:22,080 think I think you have mentioned before that you know, you were influenced a 208 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:28,879 lot by that. But first of all, Randy, you mentioned that we're 209 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:33,120 coming up on twenty five years. Is there people talking about the twenty fifth 210 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:37,759 anniversary of that event? I don't think so, but I think it's something 211 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,600 to, you know, to mention an honor. It was twenty five years 212 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:48,279 ago that this event occurred and it affected a lot of people in Africa and 213 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:54,600 beyond that affected John Max's life, and Tim Leech in England and many people 214 00:15:54,720 --> 00:16:03,080 this this event UM affected and ut spending so much time with the students and 215 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:08,759 the school and the wonderful teachers there and all the reporters, I felt like 216 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:14,399 it was I thought it was a great to be something to be honored. 217 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:19,360 Yes, yeah, I know, like you said, it's it affected so 218 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:23,120 many people's lives. And you know John Mac, who is no longer with 219 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,559 us, um, you know, that's just it's just too bad that, 220 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:32,759 you know, he didn't get to see um where this is, this whole 221 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:37,120 thing as has gone. And Emily, do you remember meeting John Mac? 222 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:41,639 You know, it was kind of a bit of a chaotic time when the 223 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:47,480 whole event occurred, so we were introduced to so many different people and I 224 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:52,720 didn't really know who was soon at the time. So do I recognize his 225 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,840 face as somebody that was down there? Yes, but like it was, 226 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,240 you know, like Cynthia Hines was down there. I mean BBC was down 227 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,839 there, and it was just like so many different people that we were being 228 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,759 interviewed by at the time. Oh, yes, And do you remember, 229 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,319 let's see Randy, you're still there. Yeah, can you hear me? 230 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,359 Oh? Yes, it looked like your call was coming through again. For 231 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,680 some reason, it was I think it was coming through with the video. 232 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,359 Oh okay, well during the commercial, we'll try that. Yeah, we'll 233 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,200 try that. We'll try that's good, and that won't be until another I 234 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,559 don't know. It looks like twenty five thirty minutes from now. But so, 235 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,920 Randy, when did you first get word of this whole event? The 236 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:45,079 first time I heard about this was actually with John Mack in Boston and he 237 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,799 was showing me the the kids, the video of the kids from Zimbabwe the 238 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,279 next week. That was actually when he got back from there in ninety four. 239 00:17:53,960 --> 00:18:00,880 And yeah, I was just struck by the honesty and sincerity of the 240 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:06,400 people. And that's that's something I've found. When I went and found the 241 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,599 school and um and UM started meeting the teachers and all the other students, 242 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,960 I'm like, Wow, these people are pretty straight and real, you know, 243 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,319 and honest. And I noticed that in their eyes, you know, 244 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,920 as much in the archival footage as I did with them in person in the 245 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,319 present day. And that that moved me, particularly when people are telling you 246 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:33,640 a story that is, uh, seems unbelievable. Um, but you could 247 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:40,960 really feel the truth and honesty of of everybody, the student witnesses and the 248 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:45,480 teachers and the other people in the surrounding area that had seen things. You 249 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:49,599 know, they weren't they were just genuine And I really appreciate that actually about 250 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:56,559 the whole school and all the witnesses that have come forward. Um, Emily, 251 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:02,079 a question for you, Um, do you sometimes take a look at 252 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,799 some of those interviews on YouTube or wherever they are, wherever you find them 253 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,480 of the children being interviewed by John Mack? I mean, it's so chilling. 254 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:17,799 Is that something you actually look look at sometimes? Uh? Yeah, 255 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,480 it was actually kind of a bit of a funny story. I don't know 256 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:26,559 how I met Randall. Um. I didn't like I locked the experience away 257 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:30,319 for quite some time. I was like, I am a missionaries kid, 258 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:37,680 and we moved in nineteen ninety five, so just after the event had occurred, 259 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:40,880 and moved to Canada, so I was dealing with like culture shock, 260 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:48,160 and I was dealing with new schools and a new residency and um, you 261 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,119 know, all these different things. So I kind of locked it up for 262 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,160 a while. And didn't process the actual event. And then I think I 263 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:03,480 was I must have been like nineteen to twenty one when I looked online for 264 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:07,960 the first time and my mind started thinking about the event, and I was 265 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:15,759 actually kind of mad, to be honest, because you know, people in 266 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,599 the experiencers, as I've just come to know, you know, they get 267 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,759 ridiculed a lot. There's a lot of stig mind stereotype on them. And 268 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,599 I wrote, I think it was the John mc Institute, And that's kind 269 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,160 of how Randall and I got introduced, where I wrote kind of a nasty 270 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:41,599 email, pretty upset over the fact that our stories were all over and we 271 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:47,039 were just kids, you know at the time, and like, you knew 272 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:49,400 the event happened, you knew that people had come down to interview you, 273 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:55,799 but you didn't realize the ramifications of what it meant to actually be an experiencer 274 00:20:55,839 --> 00:21:00,559 at the time. So, um, you know, so that how random, 275 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,480 And I mentioned he at first was like I don't know if I'm gonna 276 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,359 ever speak to this person, if they're going to bind a beam. Yeah, 277 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,359 I remember that very well. Yeah, it's been a long, a 278 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,920 long journey with Emily. Um from that first email of you know, saying 279 00:21:17,839 --> 00:21:21,799 what what do you Why are you telling our story or something to that effect. 280 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:25,960 I'm like, oh, okay, UM, it was very interesting, 281 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,920 but it's been it's grown over time, a long time actually, to a 282 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:37,039 really nice friendship and uh yeah, and I really appreciate that and um and 283 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,839 uh and a lot with the other Arrow kids too, just to get to 284 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:45,119 know get to know them and their lives and their families and um yeah, 285 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,160 it's been pretty special. So when did you first to speak to each other? 286 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,160 Um, I believe it was two thousand. I don't know. I 287 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,440 think it was two thousand and eleven or two thousand twelve somewhere around there. 288 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,920 Yeah, when we first like when when the email first happened, or when 289 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,920 we first actually met. The email was two thousand and eight. Um yeah, 290 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,720 I don't have it, by the way earlier. Yeah, I still 291 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:19,240 have it. Um. So, and then I think we met in person 292 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:22,920 in two thousand and twelve or twenty thirteen thirteen. Yeah, I think it 293 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:29,000 was two thousand and thirteen because at the time, I u it just the 294 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,319 experience or to come to the forefront of my mind and I was really needing 295 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,920 to process the event and I saw Randall and had connected on Facebook, and 296 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,720 I saw that he was trying to reach out to one of the other teachers 297 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:47,720 to speak about the event. And I had no idea. M Randall like 298 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:52,759 I. He had presented to me U after the original email, that there 299 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:57,680 was a documentary that was happening, and I at first didn't want to participate. 300 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:02,519 Um. It took me about five years after the facts, UM, 301 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:08,759 and the experience started becoming more and more to the forefront of needing to be 302 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:17,160 processed. And UM, I've reached out to him and uh, he said, 303 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,240 you know, can I call you? And UM, I could get 304 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:26,599 and I told him a testimony and he said, you know, you've got 305 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:30,720 a very good comprehension of the event and what had occurred at the time, 306 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:37,799 and was you know I had unpronounced to me. Uh, there was um 307 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,880 these interviews happening in Los Angeles. So he asked me if I would fly 308 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,440 out there, and and I did, And the rest is kind of in 309 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:52,240 history. And I've been a part of this journey with Randall and along with 310 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:57,079 the other children who are now adults, and you know, we've we all 311 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:03,160 felt it was time to to talk about it now. If it wasn't for 312 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,440 this film. Emily, do you think that you would have connected with your 313 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,799 fellow classmates or do you think it may never have I'm some of them. 314 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:15,480 I'm sure you have been in touch with but I mean, has this really 315 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:22,599 helped pull a lot of you together? Well, I think you know. 316 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,319 On my Instagram today, I actually posted the posts saying I think one of 317 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:30,440 the most valuable things that we got out of Aerial School was creating deep bonds 318 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,920 of friendships and families and you know, we always connected. None of us 319 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:44,920 really discussed the event after the fact. You know, it got the attention 320 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:52,920 worldwide, and you know a lot of the kids were able to process it 321 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,160 as a group at the time, but then as we grew up, we 322 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,319 just kind of put it away and um, you know, focused on our 323 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:06,839 lives and focused on just developing into adults and um, you know, focusing 324 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:11,880 on our careers, and um we've always we've always stayed in couch and we 325 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,680 will always have those bonds and we'll always have those memories. But yeah, 326 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:22,599 we didn't really um discuss it. So it was a nice opportunity because at 327 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,720 the time, UM, I was standing side by side with Liso during the 328 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:33,200 event and one of the other children and Emma and Selma who was on your 329 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,000 show, was it last year a couple of years ago, but she revisited 330 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:45,519 the show at last last summer, okay. Um, Emma and Selma also 331 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:51,480 came down for the interviews in Los Angeles, and we were both of us, 332 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,880 uh, these two for women, Um Liso and myself were standing side 333 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,200 by side journey Eventum and an Am I work standing side by side during the 334 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:06,480 events, So we didn't know that, you know, we didn't know that 335 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:11,039 we were going to be seeing who was actually winked at the time, you 336 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:17,240 know. So it was kind of a beautiful thing to have happened, and 337 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,559 it was a great way of reconnecting and discussing the whole experience, you know, 338 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:26,119 one of the things I neglected to do. And I apologize to the 339 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:33,160 new listener since I would say, since actually December sixteenth, twenty seventeen, 340 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,359 since the New York Times article came out, everything is basically changed. And 341 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,559 with that I have new people listening to the show all the time, and 342 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,599 I do get a lot of email with people asking me, can you explain 343 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,119 the cases a little bit more, you know, because it's all new to 344 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,400 a lot of people. This case someone may have never heard about Emily. 345 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,880 Would you like to walk us through in an nutshell kind of the events that 346 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:11,799 led to this happening. Yeah, okay. So we were the families at 347 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:18,519 the time that were there founded Aerials School, and so we were a group 348 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:25,079 of children that had actually founded the school, and we were attending classes just 349 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:30,279 like normal, and we had a recess break. And during the recess it 350 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:36,119 was just like any other day, we were playing in the playground, which 351 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:44,000 was there was a parameter of a boundary because there was a lot of brush 352 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:51,480 where snakes and you know, all different heapt wildlife and diversity could exist in 353 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:57,640 Rome. So we were playing and my friend and I this is just my 354 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:03,960 personal account, my friend and we were hopping along the boundary logs and all 355 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:10,640 of a sudden, we heard this high pitched frequency and there was like a 356 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:18,880 flash in the sky and this ship landed in just outside of the parameter of 357 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:25,119 the boundary logs, and all of a sudden, there was chaos on the 358 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,079 playground. Kids were running towards them the ship to get a better look, 359 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:38,680 and these beings came out, and two beings presented themselves in front of me 360 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:47,400 and my friend Lisol, and we experienced what we would call psychic or telepathic 361 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:56,880 communication. And I had images like photographic images flutter in front of my face, 362 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,559 like but in my mind. UM. And a lot of the children 363 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:11,240 described which we all discuss as an environmental impact UM as well, so like 364 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:18,160 climate change and UM the uses of technology. UM. That was kind of 365 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:25,839 the gest of the particular event. And then the school bell rang and everything 366 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:32,480 just disappeared. UM. It seemed as though time was distorted, so it 367 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:36,400 could have been longer than about a fifteen minute period, but we don't know. 368 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:45,759 UM. So that's that's the just the actual case in a nutshell. 369 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:52,319 UM. The most beautiful thing that I find out of the whole case is 370 00:29:52,359 --> 00:30:00,279 the diversity, is the human connection behind um aerial school. We were were 371 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:04,119 all diverse, We were all from different backgrounds, we were all from different 372 00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:10,440 races and religions, UM, you know. So for me, there's a 373 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:15,160 human um connection to the whole thing. And I'm not really aware of any 374 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,000 other cases that are so diverse, UM, you know. And it's a 375 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:26,000 beautiful thing to think that a life form from another planet visited a group of 376 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:32,720 children which are the future of the planet and you know, communicated to such 377 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,319 a diverse group. Hmm. Yeah. And I can fill in a little 378 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,440 bit too if you want, go ahead, yeah, yeah, just for 379 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:44,480 the audience. I mean, this happened in Africa, in Zimbabwe, in 380 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:52,960 a very rural area, um uh in a in very much farm a farm 381 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,240 area. And and Emily's right that the farmers all got together and created this 382 00:30:56,359 --> 00:31:03,240 school. Um and um. Yeah, this event was you know, primarily 383 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,799 at the Aerial Primary School, but but it was also witnessed outside of that 384 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,359 um, in the in the that whole during that whole week period of time. 385 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,359 So just to give people a little idea, so you know, one 386 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,400 of the things that fascinated me was that it took place in Africa in in 387 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:30,039 such a rural area, um and that there were so many witnesses to this 388 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:34,079 event and it's and it literally you know, it did go uh prime time 389 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,240 initially when it happened, and then it disappeared until I picked it up in 390 00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:44,000 two thousand and eight. Really yeah wow. Yeah. Uh so while we're 391 00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:49,519 speaking with you, uh Randall, what uh what actually kicked into gear this 392 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:59,000 uh this this is a big project and why what happened. Um. Well, 393 00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:00,640 I I you know, the more I found out, the more I 394 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,359 was like, wow, this is uh. I think it really happened with 395 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,839 finding the kids, going to the school, finding it was still there in 396 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,920 a wait, and then going back again and again. UM, but also 397 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:20,960 going all over the world uh talking to the to the these witnesses. UM. 398 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:27,200 I spent a long time uh in the beginning, UM, interviewing witnesses 399 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,559 that had seen that we're not part of the aerial school, but we're around 400 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:36,119 the area to sort of get a sense of what they had seen. UM. 401 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:40,319 And again I was struck by their you know, UM, their their 402 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:47,039 candor and honesty and UM. But I think when it was the kids also 403 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:52,799 motivated me to carry on. UH. And also once I started interviewing the 404 00:32:52,880 --> 00:33:00,359 reporters that covered the scene, I was amazed because they had kept everything that 405 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,519 you know, had happened during that day. They kept all the tapes, 406 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:07,240 all their notes because they they thought it was really a significant event. And 407 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:14,160 UM, you know, listening to them the different reporters, that was impressive 408 00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,000 to UH, to me and motivated me even further. I mean all along 409 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:21,279 the way, every time I get it got in a new piece of archival 410 00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:27,119 footage from nineteen ninety four. I was remotivated and uh. Um and and 411 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:31,519 you know, the end goal was really to to just get this uh story 412 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:36,799 told right, you know, to tell the story as it happened and by 413 00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:40,039 the people it happened too. Um. I chose not to narrate because I 414 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:44,359 just felt like it's a much difficult, more difficult path to take as a 415 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,920 filmmaker. But it's Uh, I think it's more authentic because it's comes from 416 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,359 comes from the people themselves. UM. So yeah, it has been. 417 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,960 It has been quite a journey. And uh and uh the film is finally 418 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,880 done, which is great. Uh, we're just right now working on the 419 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:07,440 distribution and getting it out into the world. Now, I've I've been asked 420 00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:10,320 probably you know how many times I've been asked, We've talked about this. 421 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:17,760 People are constantly asking me when, when, and where? Um are we 422 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,239 any closer to being able to answer either one of those questions? Well, 423 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,679 I think, I mean the film is completed, that's not the issue right 424 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:31,280 now is distribution and we're in talks with some people now. And uh, 425 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:37,199 but again, once that those conversations to have have to take place to make 426 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,519 that and they have. They're part of that decision on as far as the 427 00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:45,840 release time, whether it fits in their slot. When that slot is whether 428 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,880 there's going to be a world premiere, which likely there will be. UM, 429 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,519 but I have to go through this process to UH to get to to 430 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,159 nail down those times. So it's it's coming, it's coming soon. It's 431 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:04,079 completed. UM, it's really good. I hate to say that when it's 432 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:06,800 your own work, but it's not just been my work. It's been the 433 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,559 work of the crew. It's been the work of the kids at Ariel and 434 00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:15,719 the school and the teachers and Judy and so many other So many people have 435 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:23,800 been just amazingly talented and skilled and dedicated to UH to getting this film out. 436 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:30,960 And you had someone pretty important actually watch this and comment on it argue, 437 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,519 I'm not sure if you were able to reach him and see if you 438 00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:39,199 could use use his name or not yet not yet, but we've you know, 439 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,159 we we were starting to. One of the things we're doing now is 440 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:46,840 getting testimonials. We're sending it to some very famous people and UH well known 441 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:53,280 people, and we're starting to get those UH testimonials blurbs from them about how 442 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,280 they feel about the film. But we've yeah, we've we've definitely we have 443 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,320 several very famous as people who have commented on the film and sent us really 444 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,480 great emails. But we're not allowed yet to use that the quote, you 445 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:12,440 know, we're uh, they haven't narrowed down the exact quote that they want 446 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,840 to share. But we just heard heard from Dan Ackroyd again today and another 447 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,559 man, Gregg Mark Kelly's a very well known uh publicist and um advertising and 448 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,719 uh for Hollywood. He's fantastic and uh. Yeah, so we've been getting 449 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:36,079 those testimonials in what's really helped with the distribution side too. So uh, 450 00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,199 it's it's been a switch for me from going from the creative storytelling side to 451 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,679 now I am a businessman. Yeah you know what I mean. And uh, 452 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,360 I have to you know, take my hat and change my hat, 453 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,480 you know, and focus on that. But but it's coming. It's uh. 454 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,920 And and believe me, if there's nobody else more than me and myself 455 00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,360 that wants it to be out into the world because I just aware of how 456 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,679 how this will affect will affect people. I mean, we've we wee and 457 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:12,079 and yes, of course absolutely right, and affect affect the kids absolutely and 458 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,880 uh, and to be able to share their story it's really important and uh 459 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:22,800 and absolutely I feel like this in a big way. This for me, 460 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,480 this is a gift to the kids that were there and the people that were 461 00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:29,920 there, and the teachers that were there, and the other witnesses that were 462 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,920 around there, the pilots that were near to tell the story like because and 463 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,599 I think that will probably be the most appreciated by the people that were there 464 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,480 because of the hard work that got went into it to actually find out what 465 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:49,480 the story was, you know, not not just you know, the the 466 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,119 event itself, but what led up to the event and what happened after the 467 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:58,960 event and the human impact of it. Because this is really this is a 468 00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:04,480 story about people. It's not about special effects or woooo stuff. It's it's 469 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,400 it's about something serious that occurred and how people dealt with it and have struggled 470 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,119 with it and how it changed their lives. Right. Yeah, Well, 471 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:19,480 I wait by my mailbox every day looking for the video. I haven't seen 472 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:27,840 you. It's very influence. Yeah, Emily, Um, one thing that 473 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,039 you said in your story, I just I just want to I mean, 474 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:35,719 it really hit me. Even though you said it so a matter of factly 475 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,800 was you were standing next to two beings. Um. To me, that's 476 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,679 like wow. And I've talked to Salmar about this and I was just awe 477 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:53,039 struck by what she said. Um, and the telepathic thing that you're talking 478 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:58,800 about. It does make sense first of all, that a school children are 479 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,760 are witnessing these has been a number of cases because of the message to pass 480 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,719 to the young ones that are going to carry on in the future, you 481 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,920 know, protect the planet, and boy, we see signs of that right 482 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:19,559 now we're possibly in big trouble with what's going on climate wise. Can you 483 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,639 describe do you remember, I know you were only in the third grade, 484 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:27,559 but can you remember what the beings look like? Can you describe those? 485 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:32,760 Please? Yeah? Well, I mean it is I was talking to Randall 486 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,719 about this yesterday, and I think all of us are going to have a 487 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:43,719 bit of a different depiction that very similar in their attribute just based on being 488 00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:49,320 human. And you know, I use the descriptions like beauties in the eye 489 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,239 of the beholder, you know, so we're all going to have kind of 490 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:59,239 slight differences and that makes it real. They were kind of reflective in their 491 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,119 appearance. There was a bit of aluminosity to them, large black eyes, 492 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:12,519 like elongated heads, like enlarged heads, very uh, longer thinner necks, 493 00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:17,079 not too long, but longer thinner necks. UM. Their limbs were more 494 00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,840 flimsy almost, and they were they were hovering, they weren't actually touching the 495 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,000 ground. And I described them with a little bit as flight of a pot 496 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:34,280 belly. I don't know if that means anything, but that's that's what they 497 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,639 um looked like. And it was slightly um like if you were to use 498 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:47,800 an animal as a description. UM. The skin was like a reptile skin, 499 00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:53,440 but luminous with like an iridescence to it. Wow. I remember when 500 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:59,840 I spoke to Salma and she said that she thought they almost looked like porcelain 501 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,159 and away did you have any of that thought? I mean now that you 502 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,679 look back at it, well, like they were reflective to me, so 503 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,920 there was light they would be for me, I would describe it as more 504 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:19,000 light um, because this event happened in the day UM. So I when 505 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:25,119 I describe it as more of like a luminosity and um a neuerridescence, it 506 00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:32,320 would be like taking a fabric and creating a different shine on the fabric, 507 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:43,239 so their skin to me reflected the light I see. And when when you 508 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:49,519 got the telepathic message, can you describe what that was like? I mean, 509 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:55,000 it's just really hard to picture how you know how something happens telepathically? 510 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,079 Yeah, well, you know, I don't know if it's it's difficult these 511 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:06,639 days because we're doing things like transferring consciousness into robots, and you know, 512 00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:13,000 we have all these kind of advancements in our technology. You know that it's 513 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:21,559 it's like a neural Linkum, So you how I describe it as if the 514 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:30,039 you're immediately immersed in the connection with the ice, and it's almost as little 515 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:37,719 the ice create this neural link with you, and then it was just like 516 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:45,239 seeing a slight hill of images run across your mind like you would in a 517 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:52,480 dream, but um, happening in real time. Wow. Did you talk 518 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:57,320 to other you know, children around you afterwards? I know you said you 519 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,800 spoke to your friend, but would you say that they were getting the same 520 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,320 messages or just similar messages. I think we all had a similar comprehension. 521 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:13,920 Randall might have a bit more of an understanding on that. I didn't have 522 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:19,960 very much time to spend with the students after the event happened. My family 523 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,960 and I moved very soon after the event, so a lot of the other 524 00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:30,840 kids got more of an opportunity to discuss it, Whereas because we were missionaries, 525 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,920 we had moved back to Canada, and so I didn't really have that 526 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,760 time spent with the other children to really go over and discuss that. And 527 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,519 to be honest, the teachers kind of wanted things to go back to normal, 528 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:50,960 so I went back to work as usual, you know, because our 529 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:57,280 main focus was gaining education, right, so they tried to normalize the situation 530 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,760 for us as much as possible. And Randa would have Randall would have a 531 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:08,320 bit more um insight into hearing. Yeah, I could say, like, 532 00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:12,960 you know, it seemed like the people, the children that were there that 533 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:19,519 were closest to this uh creature UM, that had direct eye contact with it, 534 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:24,239 seemed to have had some type of telepath that communication. Um. I 535 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:30,599 can't say that it was everybody, but I there were several several and UM, 536 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,679 you know it is it is very different. Uh. I think the 537 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,159 message was the same, but again, like people do, every everybody was 538 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:47,360 in a different place and uh there you know what their background, was their 539 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:55,239 education or their religious beliefs. I mean I think in affected what what occurred, 540 00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:02,119 uh in their interpretation of it U. Um yeah, I think uh, 541 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,400 you know when the kids once, once everything slowed down, the kids, 542 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:12,679 one hundred kids ran into the school screaming. Um. Because after it 543 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,880 all left, Uh, they were pretty terrified, um for the most part, 544 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,159 and went into the school screaming, And the teachers didn't know what to 545 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:27,400 do really um and had them draw, which was very one of the wisest 546 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,000 things they did. Um because of the parents were so you know, their 547 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:38,800 children came home that day saying they saw a craft and alien creatures. So 548 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:45,440 um, they you know, they the school had to act, you know, 549 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:52,079 um because of the parents. UM. So but yeah, I think, 550 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,480 UM, what I've heard from Emily and several other people and also independently 551 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,000 other people that have had contact with these things, it's a very similar type 552 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,400 of of series of events that take place, and this seems to be one 553 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:15,599 of them. M not always, but from several other people from other other 554 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:20,559 cases that I've talked to, It's it's not uncommon. How did this how 555 00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,639 did this story leak out? How did the press get ahold of this to 556 00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:30,599 begin with, do you know, Yeah, the BBC reporter from England, 557 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:37,880 he was stationed in Zimbabwe at the time, and he basically it was him 558 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:45,760 and along with Cynthia Hind who was a MUFUN investigator, and two other reporters 559 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:52,400 in Africa who really broke the story. And then John Mac came along a 560 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,960 little a little later, and then that was the story was brought over to 561 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,840 the United States, because up until that point it was just a story in 562 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:07,480 Europe and Africa. Is that right? Wow? And how long after this 563 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,880 happened to John Mac jump on a plane and get out there. He was 564 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,440 out there a couple of months after it had occurred. Yeah, a couple 565 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,480 of months. And yeah, do you think in a way that was too 566 00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,400 long? Or do you think that the children had a really good um? 567 00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:27,599 You know, were they with it still fresh? Do you think, oh, 568 00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,239 it's fresh? I think with events like this that I've seen, it's 569 00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:42,960 it doesn't really fade. Um. I think he I think it allowed the 570 00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:46,960 kids, you know, for them to settle a little bit into themselves and 571 00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,960 what they had experienced when he came, because again, he brought a totally 572 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,719 different element of being a child psychiatrist and psychoanalysts. So he brought a lot 573 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:04,679 of skills into those interviews that right came. So it was a very different 574 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:07,679 He brought in something completely different that really brought out a lot of things that 575 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:14,639 nobody, nobody thought to ask before that. You know, right, was 576 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:22,719 he? Um was anyone else interviewing these kids prior to him? Uh? 577 00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:29,599 You mean in nineteen ninety four? Yes, yes, there were the BBC 578 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:36,000 and uh cynthiahind from Mufaun and then uh uh two other reporters, one from 579 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,360 ZBC and the other one from South African Broadcasting. Yeah, and then and 580 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,800 then after even after John mac came, Uh, there were two or three 581 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,320 others that came and interviewed the kids. So what's amazing about this to people 582 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:57,360 who don't know is the consistency of the reports throughout time. Um, I 583 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,039 mean, this wouldn't be a story if those reporters didn't do the interviews, 584 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:07,000 you know, we would we wouldn't have those interviews and and the record of 585 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:13,679 them, you know, right immediately after the incident, and then two weeks 586 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,559 later, and then two weeks later, and then two a month and a 587 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:21,079 half later, and then another three months later, and then another two years 588 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:25,400 later, and then today, and then it's remarkably consistent throughout. You know, 589 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,800 it's like one person's you know, how how could people keep the story 590 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,639 if it was a made up story? How could it be held together so 591 00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:37,960 well over so much time? We have to we have to go to break 592 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,639 and just in just a minute, but right before breakthough, we have just 593 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,039 like twenty five seconds or something like that. How many hours of footage did 594 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:54,480 you look through? H six hundred hours U of Yeah, it's an enormous 595 00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,159 amount of footage that has been whittled down to an hour and forty um. 596 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,320 So it's uh, yeah, it's it's it was an enormous, enormous task 597 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,320 in that most most documentaries you have one hundred hours of footage or two hundred 598 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:14,440 hours, six hundred and six hundred good hours of footage. Was really really 599 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,480 difficult to get through. Um, but we did it. Wow, and 600 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:22,199 it's really good. So we have a lot of extra footage for after the 601 00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:24,960 film comes out too. All right, well, uh, stay tuned everyone, 602 00:50:25,000 --> 00:51:14,079 We're going to go into about a four minute breaker. So m okay, 603 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,239 very good, Emily, this this question, this question is for you. 604 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,920 We're going to be taking calls later on. I'd love some calls to 605 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,800 come in and just please be respectful to the to the guests. UM when 606 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,119 you do call, and I'll announce that number later on. Emily, would 607 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:36,280 you overall say, if you reflect back on this and where your life is 608 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,800 now, would you say that this was a positive or more of a negative 609 00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:49,000 experience in your life? Um? I think it's been a little combination of 610 00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:53,960 both. The event itself, UM, I think the best way I can 611 00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:00,679 describe it is you experience a bit of fear because it's something known that you've 612 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:05,039 never seen before, which is a normal human reaction in response to anything that 613 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:14,679 you haven't experienced before. I guess for me, Ariel has been there's been 614 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,760 a lot of psychological that's occurred. So I've had some ups and downs with 615 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:24,159 the whole experience. Just as I've processed it, I don't see it as 616 00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:30,000 a negative. I see it as a positive. I'm more open minded to 617 00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:36,159 I guess comprehension of how I fit in this world, you know, as 618 00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:44,360 an experiencer, and you know, I think I see beauty. I like 619 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,000 to see the good in situations, so I don't see it as a negative 620 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:53,440 I don't see it as aliens invading or anything fearful or yeah, so I 621 00:52:53,880 --> 00:53:00,760 see it as a positive. A lot of people will up talk about like 622 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,840 I don't want to sound too fringy or anything like that, but a lot 623 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,719 of people will talk about abilities that they think they have gained from these experiences. 624 00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:15,320 Do you have anything that you think that may you may have gained besides 625 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:22,480 of what you just talk about. Well, um, I gained a whole 626 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,800 profile of artwork, which I find to be quite a blessing. I paint 627 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:34,480 from my subconscious and I find my work to be fascinating because for me, 628 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,320 I get to see the analysis of I mean, the experience of it's a 629 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:46,320 trauma, so it imprints on your brain. So if you see the analysis 630 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:53,119 of what actually comes out through my art, and I think that's a blessing 631 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:59,559 and a beauty. I agree. I actually have seen your artwork you post 632 00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,199 a lot of online. I've seen it in person too, and you have 633 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:08,519 some really interesting pieces. Really, I really like a lot of beautiful. 634 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,679 It's really really very very creative, and some of it's very intense, which 635 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,280 should not be a surprise. I think. Yeah, And I don't want 636 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,400 to sound like I'm biased or you know, because it's my work, But 637 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:28,000 I just think it's fascinating. And if you're interested in arts, if you're 638 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:34,519 interested in psychology and you know trauma, mental health, all those kinds of 639 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:38,199 things you know, and sci fi and you know a true story, I 640 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:43,800 think you know check it out. Emily, have you had to battle skeptics 641 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:51,280 at all? I try not to focus on that. You know, you're 642 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,239 going to have people that don't believe, and that's okay. You know, 643 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:58,840 if you can just speak your truth and be honest with yourself, I think 644 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,519 that's the most important thing. Um, you know, I stay ground age. 645 00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:06,519 My family is the most important thing to me, you know, the 646 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:12,119 people that are close to me. I'm not wanting to want to push anything 647 00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:16,039 on anybody. I never have, And so I think it's just more valuable 648 00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:22,480 to share the human connection behind all of this, so that I find that 649 00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:28,719 more tangible for people to digest, and and I find people become a bit 650 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:34,360 more open minded when you speak from your heart and your truth. Right. 651 00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:38,239 I agree with you there, which go ahead, Randy. Did you have 652 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,360 something you wanted to add to that? Yeah? I just I just think 653 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,480 that you know, you mentioned you were talking about with Allahndra, how things 654 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:51,199 have changed quite a bit in the last two years since a lot of release 655 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,199 of information, the Navy incidents, etc. You know, people have gone 656 00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:04,039 through a lot of ridicule and and you know, difficulty, you know, 657 00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:08,480 being able to even talk about it. I know many many people who have 658 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,480 shared things with me that they will not share publicly, you know, the 659 00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:20,039 things that they've seen or experienced, because of the fear of being ridiculed. 660 00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:25,079 And and I really hope that's going to change because of how important this subject 661 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,599 is to all of us, not just any individual. This has to do 662 00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:37,280 with every single person on the planet. And I'm hoping that that you know, 663 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,920 these people who have not had a voice, and there are thousands and 664 00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:47,159 thousands of them, most of them are silent, can have their their say 665 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:53,679 and have their voice about something that really profoundly impacted them and really does again 666 00:56:53,840 --> 00:57:00,119 have to do with every single human being on this planet. Really, do 667 00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:05,039 you hope the audience is going to get out of this film? Um? 668 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,159 I think you know. We had a screening antest screening for the crew and 669 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,840 had a few guests with us in a in a full side theater, and 670 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,639 it looked fantastic, But what was really striking, and this has happened in 671 00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:24,000 other screenings, are the people that are in tears, how it hits them. 672 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:30,000 And I guess part of that is some of that is people that have 673 00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:35,400 gone through their own experiences, but there were people there that you know, 674 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,800 had nothing to do or we're not interested in this topic at all. But 675 00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:47,960 the struggle and the journey that the characters go through in this film are universal, 676 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,519 you know, they're they're universal stories that anybody can relate to, and 677 00:57:54,679 --> 00:58:00,280 that's I think the magic of it. And I think people will take away 678 00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:07,559 uh, like many that have seen it recently that you know, they have 679 00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:13,039 to sit for about twenty minutes to really take it in. Um. But 680 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:19,360 I think it really shows how these are real people that go through these things, 681 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:24,079 and that was the goal, and you can see that throughout the film, 682 00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:30,960 the honesty and the reality mum throughout from these people. I'm just just 683 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:36,239 playing honesty and you can see that. UM. So the takeaway I think 684 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:43,960 is hopefully to open people's minds a little more and realize that all kinds of 685 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:49,400 people have been affected by this and that people should be heard out. You 686 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,000 know, this this is Uh, it's a big risk for a lot of 687 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,960 people to come up, come forward about this. Um. All these kids 688 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,599 have taken a risk, you know, from Ariel and so many others. 689 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,599 And I hope and I think that we're the times are changing where we can 690 00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:14,519 actually have a grown up conversation about this, you know all of it, 691 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,880 right. I think you and I had a conversation, Oh, I don't 692 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,679 know a while back, and I said, without you even realizing it, 693 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:29,239 the reason this film has taken so long because now as it's time to come 694 00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:34,639 out, because people are taking it more serious. And you know, would 695 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:38,039 you say it's been seven or eight years now, we met in North Carolina 696 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:43,159 quite a few years ago, and you're working on it, then yeah, 697 00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:47,239 No, it's taken ten years and ten years, yeah, And I don't 698 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:53,440 feel, you know, I've left the I've just trusted that this film would 699 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:58,280 come out when it needed to come out. And I believe me, there's 700 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,800 not been a day where I've not been working on this film. Um. 701 01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:08,320 And it's been an awful, awfully long long haul, um and getting funding, 702 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:14,800 all the all the other things people know nothing about. But you know, 703 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:21,239 ten years for a film is you know, I had many opportunities to 704 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:27,679 stop it where it was and release it, but I feel completely satisfied where 705 01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:32,519 it is now. It's it's it's at a it's at a very um high 706 01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:40,360 level of storytelling and picture and sound, and uh yeah, I feel you 707 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,719 know, I've gone through it several times over and over and over and over 708 01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:49,639 and over thousand, probably a thousand times, and to get it right because 709 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,599 I feel like, you know, it's, uh, this is one story, 710 01:00:52,760 --> 01:01:00,079 and I feel like this is the the story that will last throughout history 711 01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:04,199 because it's it is the it is the actual story from beginning to end by 712 01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:10,440 the people that were there. I personally, my opinion is the best part 713 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:16,440 of this movie is seeing the children during the event, seeing snippets from that 714 01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:22,519 time, and then seeing them today and having them talk about it today. 715 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:25,519 I think that's the most important part in my opinion of this film. And 716 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:30,639 I want to just ask you about that in regards to how in heck did 717 01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:37,440 you find all these witnesses and what length did you go to? Well, 718 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,840 that was I found all the witnesses starting at the Aerial school because I got 719 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,079 all as much information as I could when I first got there in o eight 720 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:51,639 and spent nine months driving around the country finding some of these people. And 721 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:59,159 you know that Zimbabwe was in chaos at that time, and a lot of 722 01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:05,159 the students. After ninety five, the politics and Zimbabwe started to go south 723 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,679 and a lot of the white farmers and other people started to leave the country. 724 01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:15,760 So I had to start tracking people down that we're in Australia, that 725 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:21,880 we're in England, that we're all over the world. And so that was 726 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:28,079 a journey for sure. That took a lot of time and money to just 727 01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:36,800 just make that happen. And yeah, I just really appreciate that their help, 728 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,800 and you know that they trusted me enough to tell their story. I 729 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,840 mean that that's a big deal. I think. Yeah, when particularly on 730 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:51,800 this topic, when you know people will trust you that you're going to do 731 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:57,079 a good job of their stories is a compliment. And I really honor the 732 01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:01,360 trust that people have given me to do it right. And I really do 733 01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:06,960 feel like I've done it the best possible I could possibly do it with the 734 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,599 help of my crew and everybody else, because you can't do these things alone. 735 01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:15,639 They're just too big. Yeah, yeah, that's right, Emily, 736 01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:21,159 just I just wanted to ask you one more thing and then I'd like to 737 01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:27,159 offer calls out there for people if they'd like to call in and we'll talk 738 01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:32,159 about that and just a second. But Emily has since this has happened, 739 01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:37,880 where there's media now about this, a lot more media than because this movie's 740 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,920 upcoming and you know, the anniversary and all that on. Do you get 741 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:50,320 people contacting you through Facebook or email about your experience and you know, in 742 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,000 other words, are you getting kind of bugged by people, you know, 743 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:59,559 annoyed? Or do people respect your privacy? I mean, for the most 744 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:04,480 parting I find, um, people just want to share when they hear that, 745 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:12,480 they that I've been through something, um and they've heard me speak um. 746 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,280 For the most part, people want to share their experiences as well. 747 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,840 UM. So I I uh, you know, I respect that because I 748 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,639 know what it's like to come forward and people want to be heard UM. 749 01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:30,840 And And that's I think what it comes down to is that most people don't 750 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,719 talk about their experiences. So when they hear somebody come forward, um, 751 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:40,679 you know and put their life for you, You're you're putting your life on 752 01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:45,519 in jeopardy, and you know, in terms of credibility and your psychiatric well 753 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:49,920 being and all these kinds of different and you know stereotypes that get put on 754 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:56,280 you. Um, they they just want to share with you. And UM, 755 01:04:56,679 --> 01:05:02,760 I respect that, you know. So I mean not everybody that comes 756 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:08,559 to you is not always um, you know, there are some people that 757 01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:12,760 are out there and there are some people that really respect and value the actual, 758 01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:18,679 um integrity of what Aeriel is all about. Um. You know, 759 01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:23,880 I just want to say that I think all the students, you know, 760 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:29,639 we didn't really attach ourselves to uphology and um, you know, we didn't 761 01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:32,480 do this for you know, some sort of and I claim, um, 762 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:38,920 you know, because it does jeffardize your career, in your sanity and you 763 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,280 know, people question you and all sorts of different things. UM, So 764 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,920 none of us did it for any other reason. Is just I think most 765 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,440 people can agree with on some enclosure to the whole event. But um, 766 01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:55,239 there have been other people that do reach out. I think a lot of 767 01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:00,000 um, my followers on Instagram, are you know, interested in just the 768 01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:09,480 subject and the genuine miss of the you know, reality of the subject. 769 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:15,719 Uh huh, yes, I wondered. I remember. Let's see, it 770 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:21,480 was a few years ago when I had salmon and the the video, just 771 01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:26,920 the video alone, never mind the podcast hit like forty thousand views or something 772 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,599 like that, and she was contacted from all over the world. I don't 773 01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:36,920 know. You know, what I'm actually getting at is once this film comes 774 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,559 out, are you going to be ready for that? I don't know. 775 01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,639 I mean I wasn't ready when the day, you know, the event happened. 776 01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:49,159 I wasn't ready for that. But I think life just kind of throws 777 01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:53,079 things back you and you have to kind of just roll with it, you 778 01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:57,920 know what I mean. So I think I'm as ready as I'll ever be, 779 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:00,639 you know, and I mean I'll be it's with you. I was 780 01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:04,199 a little bit nervous coming on the show today, and but you just, 781 01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:09,519 you know, you just go with it. And I think that's all I 782 01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:15,599 can do. You know, our names are out there, and you know, 783 01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:19,679 that's just reality for the students. You know, it happened, we 784 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:26,199 got interviewed, and um, that's that's all we can do is just be 785 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,960 yourself now at this point, and I think that's the best thing that we 786 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,760 can actually do. Well. I'm going to open the lines up and Bill 787 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:40,480 will be screening them, so if anyone wants to give a call in and 788 01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,519 ask our guests or guests a question. That number is eight five five four 789 01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:51,239 seven two five four eight three, and Bill will answer the phone and screen 790 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,880 you. So if anyone has some questions, feel free to to give us 791 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,639 a call. And again I'll put that number up on the screen so you 792 01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:06,079 can see it. But before anyone calls in, I guess I want to 793 01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:14,559 ask as far as Randy, you said that you actually knew John Mack and 794 01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:18,399 that was a tragedy. We lost him so so young over in England there. 795 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:24,880 But did he talk a lot after this? Did he bring up this 796 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,079 case a lot when he came back to the States, And did you try 797 01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:32,279 to make some traction with getting people to look at this whole phenomon? Yes, 798 01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:36,199 there were a couple attempts at a documentary for it, and yeah, 799 01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:42,439 he was very uh he actually included it in the book he was writing after 800 01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,840 that first book in ninety four, So yeah, he was trying to get 801 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:51,640 some people to look at this and just order everything fell through. But I 802 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,880 also want to say, like this this anniversary, this is a twenty fifth 803 01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:01,119 anniversary of Harvard going after John mac which is something they've never done in their 804 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:06,319 history of their university, which goes back three hundred ninety years or so, 805 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:15,199 and yeah, I just want to honor that anniversary as well for John Max's 806 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:20,039 journey and also the BBC reporters journey. And you know this, this has 807 01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:28,600 affected so many lives, this event, and I think I hope we can 808 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:33,439 come to a day where we can people aren't afraid to talk about it and 809 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:41,640 to be open about it. And I think we can get somewhere because obviously 810 01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,279 it seems like something's happening for sure around the globe. And I think it's 811 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:50,560 imperative as a species, as are all of us as the human species, 812 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:57,359 that we try to understand it and make some headway. Because I'd said it 813 01:09:57,399 --> 01:10:03,199 before, but it really could involve our say yes, and there's nothing more 814 01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:08,880 important than that. I agree. We have Chris on the line from New 815 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,399 Jersey. Welcome to the show, Chris, Hi, Hi, great show, 816 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,600 Thank you. Everyone really enjoying it. A question for Emily, I 817 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,039 don't know if she wants to get into it, but would she be willing 818 01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:26,399 to share the circumstances of the visitations after she was a child, because I 819 01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,840 know she had some Is that something she'd be willing to share with the audience. 820 01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,439 UM. Well, I think we were going to try and keep it 821 01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:43,640 to aerial school, UM, just for the anniversary I did. I will 822 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:53,279 acknowledge that I did experience a couple other experiences in my life that were more 823 01:10:53,439 --> 01:11:00,920 spiritual and personal to me. I can. I can talk about one briefly 824 01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:10,960 that UM. My partner at the time also witnessed and my room I was 825 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:15,880 sleeping, UM, and my whole room illuminated. And it was not a 826 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:21,399 thunderstorm, it wasn't a tech technology email function or anything like that. My 827 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:26,840 whole room illuminated with this light. And I woke my partner up at the 828 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:32,600 time and a panic because I woke up in a panic. And then I 829 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,399 said, I don't know what just happened, but it's going to happen again. 830 01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:40,600 The whole room lit up and UM, and then it was like on 831 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,760 command, the whole room lit up all over again. And I don't know 832 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,520 what to make out of these experiences, but they to me are more spiritual 833 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:57,760 and personal. Not everything is UM, you know, for everybody. UM. 834 01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:00,600 Sometimes I think these things are is meant to happen for you, and 835 01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:05,079 they continue to mold you and shape you into the person that you are. 836 01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:12,760 Thanks well, I respect great, Thank you all right, Chess, thank 837 01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,880 you for the call. So the lines open again eight five five four seven 838 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:24,960 two five four eight three. Feel free to call in and let's just see 839 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,399 what we have for messages. So also, if I get a chance, 840 01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:31,760 I will check out the chat room and we can you can also post questions 841 01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:38,159 up there. I just it's a little difficult to do here solo and do 842 01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:43,039 the whole the whole thing. What about Emily? What about press? Has 843 01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:47,680 there been Has there been any time that the press has tried to contact you 844 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,920 and you know, trying to get us, trying to get you to talk 845 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:55,479 when you don't want to. I haven't had any pressure from that. I've 846 01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:00,960 had a lot of respect in that regards. Um. Um. Yeah, 847 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:05,560 And I'm not actively searching for it either. So UM. For me, 848 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:11,560 I prefer to be honest. I prefer for the documentary to come out and 849 01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:17,800 um and from from there, you know. UM, I guess what I 850 01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,800 would say is that, you know, it's not just about me. There's 851 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,560 there's a whole sixty two of us that got interviewed for this, you know, 852 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,479 um event, So I always want to you know, recognize the other 853 01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:38,319 children at the same time. Um. Um. And you know, if 854 01:13:38,359 --> 01:13:43,159 if somebody would like to do an interview. Most of the time, I'm 855 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:49,359 I I'm an anxious person and I don't uh actively look for any other attention 856 01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:56,159 on myself. So I kind of directed towards Randall, um, you know, 857 01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:02,760 to to get the recognition because he has the testimonies of all the children, 858 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,920 you know, so UM, I think that's important that all the voices 859 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,239 get heard, you know, for the the event. But um, I 860 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,960 you know, at some point if somebody wanted to talk to me about my 861 01:14:15,039 --> 01:14:21,119 artwork, you know, or um the experience. Um, after the documentary 862 01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:26,800 you know comes out, that would be something that I may consider, but 863 01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,600 I don't actively search for it. Well, you better quit your job and 864 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,039 everything else by that when that comes out, you're gonna be busy, I 865 01:14:33,079 --> 01:14:36,600 think, Um, Randy, do you do we have another caller? Do 866 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:41,760 you do something to add to that? Uh? Yeah, I just uh, 867 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,119 I've I've tried tried my best to shield the witnesses from the media, 868 01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:53,199 you know, they it's generally even channeled through me. Yeah, and which 869 01:14:53,239 --> 01:14:59,239 is which I took on and just to keep uh you know their privacy and 870 01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:02,560 uh, I've seen you in action, you know, with doing that, 871 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:08,399 so yeah, you haven't let me had at any of them, hardly, 872 01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,159 but anyway we have. Let me just see who we have on the line. 873 01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:17,239 We have Nancy from South Carolina. Welcome to the show. Nancy, 874 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,560 My Nancy, Hi, how are you? Um? Well? Thank you 875 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,960 for calling in. You have a question for directed at one of our guests. 876 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,399 Are both I do. I just wanted to send it out to you 877 01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:39,119 guys. I worked with John mac in Boston for two years, and I 878 01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:44,960 was a psychiatric nurse working in a Boston hospital. And I can't even remember 879 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,680 the circumstances and how I got involved with the whole thing, but I met 880 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:57,720 with experiencers once a month for two years in a group setting, and probably 881 01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,680 it was the most profound, one of the most profound experiences of my life. 882 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:09,560 And now I'm living in South Carolina and I wanted to start up a 883 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:15,840 group again to work with experiencers. And I wondered if you had, I 884 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:21,840 mean, because what you're saying is amazing, and you know, I know 885 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:26,720 there's so many people out there that have had your experiences in different ways, 886 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,880 and I think this is probably some of the most This is probably the most 887 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:36,880 important news that's ever come across this planet, and I think it needs to 888 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:44,520 be strengthened. I think it needs to be debunked. And I want to 889 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:51,720 again participate in some form of group work with people. And I wondered if 890 01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:58,680 you if that was maybe presumptuous of me to do something like that, or 891 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,239 if you think it's some thing that, um, I could that is important 892 01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:08,399 to do, I would say, and if you had any wisdom on how 893 01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:12,680 I might be able to go about that, because um, as I said, 894 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,399 UM, it's it's a very important work. I really UM understand that 895 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:23,880 the taboo and all the you know, um judgments around the whole situation, 896 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,600 and it's just a shame. And I think it's time that all of this, 897 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,479 you know, stopped and we just get up front about the whole thing. 898 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:36,560 So I'll defer you guys, Nancy Nancy before I, UM, I'll 899 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,960 let the others speak. If you would after the show or anytime, email 900 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,159 me at Martin at podcast ufo dot com. I'd like to, um continue 901 01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:51,000 the conversation a little more in this Uh, either Randy or Emily would you 902 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:57,640 like to would you like to address us. Well, I feel like that 903 01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:04,720 I thank you for that call. I really people that the helpers are really 904 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:11,520 important. And I've been to several groups through this film, and I met 905 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,840 so many people that are struggling with this, and I think it's so important 906 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:24,279 to have a place to go and a place where there's no you know, 907 01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:30,479 a place where you can share your story and have your feelings without it being 908 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:39,199 steered in any direction or having any predetermined decision on what this is all about. 909 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:45,920 But I think it's really profoundly important that more of the people in psychoanalysis, 910 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:54,000 psychi psychiatry, psychology are involved because of what it does to the human 911 01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:59,119 being when they see something like that. It's it's not a small experience and 912 01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:04,439 it has ling effects for years, if not decades. And Emily can speak 913 01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:09,800 to that, it's right, yeah, I mean there there's a trauma. 914 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:15,199 It's it's a trauma that happens, you know, so there's an impact on 915 01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:19,560 the brain and psychology the individual and um, you know, h shapes and 916 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:25,640 molds them into becoming the person that they are. I've been through a lot 917 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:30,720 of hyph and lows. It's difficult because you feel sometimes you're isolated, um 918 01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:35,199 and not able to discuss it with anybody without the ridicule and machine and the 919 01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:40,000 stigma and a stereotypes. So you know, there's a mental health teeth to 920 01:19:40,079 --> 01:19:45,000 it as well, and everybody needs somebody to talk to. So it's you 921 01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:48,600 know, it's a wonderful idea. And thank you for calling in. Okay, 922 01:19:49,239 --> 01:19:56,640 your email again, Martin. Yes, it's Martin at podcast UFO dot 923 01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,800 com. And I get a ton of spam, so make sure it's a 924 01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:06,680 very clear message in the subject line if you would. Okay, we'll do 925 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:15,359 all right, Thanks, thanks Nancy. Okay, okay. A question occurred 926 01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:21,520 to me, Emily, and that is, uh, did you was there 927 01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:28,840 at any point and time where you just wanted just to go away and you 928 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:33,520 wanted to forget about the whole thing and for to go away permanently and you 929 01:20:34,039 --> 01:20:41,119 just not to deal with it anymore? For sure? Yeah, for sure, 930 01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,960 I think that's normal though. You know, um, as we were 931 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,319 just discussing, you know, sometimes you just I think as an experiencer, 932 01:20:48,319 --> 01:20:54,159 you're left with questions as well. So those questions are like why me, 933 01:20:54,520 --> 01:21:00,520 you know, and um, you know, at first, when I had 934 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,960 email Randall, I was like I was curious. I was just you know, 935 01:21:03,039 --> 01:21:06,439 like, why are why is my life splashed delivery Internet? Why is 936 01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:12,479 my name being used? Why is why is my image as a child put 937 01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,680 being put out there? Like I was curious, you know. So I 938 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,640 wanted it to just disappear, and you know, I wanted to move on. 939 01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,800 I wanted to just develop into the adults and um, you know, 940 01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,720 focus on my career, and UM, I was I was kind of like, 941 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,479 oh my gosh, this could jeopardize my life, you know. So, 942 01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:34,600 Um, at many points, I've had that kind of love hate relationship 943 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:41,880 with this experience. Um, but I mean it's it is what it is, 944 01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:45,520 you know. Um, it's it's it's a blessing and it's a bit 945 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,119 of a curse at the same time, and you just have to roll with 946 01:21:48,199 --> 01:21:54,039 it, right. You know, you are saying just exactly what a number 947 01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:58,520 of people have told me that have had, you know, profound experience as 948 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,159 Travis Walton basically. Um. You know, he actually told me in his 949 01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:06,239 own words that he hid from it for a number of years. And you 950 01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:10,600 know, now he's very active and by the way, he should be coming 951 01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:15,479 up parely soon on one of the shows. Um, but uh, you 952 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:20,319 know, I can definitely understand any any bit of trauma or you know, 953 01:22:20,359 --> 01:22:25,239 people are gonna want to like forget that you know that happened. And of 954 01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:29,000 course the HYMEI. Um, you know, that's probably the number one question 955 01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:33,840 that people might ask themselves in a situation like this. So sure, yeah, 956 01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:38,840 that's that's very true from what I've run across and with all the kids 957 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:44,039 too. Yeah, that's that's very much. There's a million questions and very 958 01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:49,359 few answers. Randy. While while you're on speaking now, I'm running on 959 01:22:49,359 --> 01:22:55,520 YouTube a slide show of when you were filming in Africa. How long were 960 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,159 you there? How many how many times were you there? And what was 961 01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:04,680 that like? Um, it was a culture shock when I first got there. 962 01:23:05,399 --> 01:23:11,840 Um, you know there's there was machine guns around and security was crazy 963 01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:16,920 and uh um anyway, Uh yeah, it's a it's a it was a 964 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:21,640 very different world. I was there three times and a total of a year 965 01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:30,680 and four months. Um wow. Uh traveled uh to interview the witnesses that 966 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,760 had seen something before Ariel and uh and then tracking down the kids uh from 967 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:42,520 the school and some some of the teachers as well. Um and uh yeah, 968 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,640 it was I've seen Zimbabwe and my heart goes out to Zimbabwe because they 969 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:56,199 have gone through an awful lot and politically and political strife. Um and uh 970 01:23:56,399 --> 01:23:59,720 so I went in two thousand and eight. When I went, there was 971 01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:04,560 political violence and it was actually not recommended by the State Department that I go. 972 01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:10,399 A matter of fact, I shouldn't have gone. But the second time 973 01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,520 I went, it was much better. And then the third time I went 974 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,199 it was it was good, but the economy was starting to tank again and 975 01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:21,960 now it's in shambles once again. Um but yeah, I mean just going 976 01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:27,119 to Africa. I'm you know, I'm a small town guy that grew up 977 01:24:27,159 --> 01:24:31,479 in a town of eight hundred people. Uh to go to Africa was was 978 01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:36,439 a was a huge step for It was a huge risk for me because and 979 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:42,960 and a huge step. But I was so determined that of finding the school 980 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,840 and finding out more about this incident because I knew over time that this was 981 01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:56,079 something that was really significant. Yeah and uh yeah, so it was. 982 01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,800 It was a a labor of love. Yes, I'm sure. And I, 983 01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:05,159 like I mentioned before earlier, I've seen your wildlife, your African wildlife 984 01:25:05,359 --> 01:25:13,920 images online. I suggest anyone that loves nature and uh African wildlife to check 985 01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:18,119 out those photos. Those are just excellent. Uh yeah, we do have 986 01:25:18,199 --> 01:25:24,439 a caller. We have a Clark. He's calling in from Tennessee. Clark, 987 01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,960 welcome to the show. Hey, thanks a lot, it's good to 988 01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,359 talk to you guys. Everyone silently. I was a big fan of the 989 01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:40,760 show. And and actually I think Randall we have communicated through emails and there, 990 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:46,960 and and I congratulations on both of your work and getting the hope that 991 01:25:47,119 --> 01:25:53,520 gets gets out there and gets a lot of highs because of the looks very 992 01:25:53,560 --> 01:26:00,079 interesting. And I actually I actually yeah, growing up I'm riginally from North 993 01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:05,119 Carolina moved here to Tennessee. But growing up I would watch all kinds of 994 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:10,800 shades of documentaries based on the subject. So you and it's good to see 995 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:15,920 it seems like the last over the last like five six years, uh you 996 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:20,319 know said the subject has gotten some better light on it. Now it's there's 997 01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:27,720 more, um, just the material alone and the evidence that seems to be 998 01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:32,800 h presenting itself. It's just fascinating and um and it's it's good to see. 999 01:26:33,119 --> 01:26:38,920 And uh and I had I had the privilege to and honor to work 1000 01:26:39,079 --> 01:26:45,000 with helped James fox Um a little bit on his newest project, and I 1001 01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:49,640 helped and I did some sound work for Dave Beatty on his NIMTS document and 1002 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,760 uh and as a filmmaker, this is you don't have to spend a lot 1003 01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,119 of time on this, but it's it might be a bore the listeners to 1004 01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:04,800 tears, but uh what I mean, I know the process take taking that 1005 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:10,800 long. What was your you know, over the with the change in technology, 1006 01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:14,159 you know what you know, it would just be interesting to hear just 1007 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:20,079 a brief runover of what uh you know, what cameras you were using and 1008 01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,840 specifically you know, because I know you have to maintain some kind of consistency, 1009 01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:30,880 but but also what you ultimately uh finished your work with if you're as 1010 01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,800 far as on the editing side, because it's it's uh, it's just that 1011 01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:39,680 the whole process is uh is like you say, it's a labor of love. 1012 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,520 And when you get into it and get your hands on, you're on 1013 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,800 the field and working with the material uh that you really love. It's it's 1014 01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:53,000 just the ultimate payoffs is is doing what you're doing. And would yeah, 1015 01:27:53,039 --> 01:27:58,560 if you uh have the time to talk about just a little bit of the 1016 01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:02,479 process and you go to cameras and what she finished with, Yeah, I 1017 01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,960 shot. Thanks for the question, then, Uh yeah, I'm sure if 1018 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:15,640 I racked my memory, I'll remember where we met. But I we finished 1019 01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:21,239 the film out in Da Vinci and sound Pro tools and edited in Premiere and 1020 01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:27,199 we edited in Final Cut seven point three, which is a really great program 1021 01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:31,199 but a little outdated, and we had about yeah, six or seven go 1022 01:28:31,279 --> 01:28:38,159 to cameras. When I initially started, I was shooting on tape. And 1023 01:28:39,399 --> 01:28:46,439 you're right, the technology drastically started to change and stay with you know, 1024 01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,560 when Facebook. Actually I wouldn't have probably gotten in touch with a lot of 1025 01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:58,640 these witnesses if it wasn't for the technology of Facebook at that time. But 1026 01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:04,159 yeah, we we have had to adjust to, uh the technology evolving, 1027 01:29:04,359 --> 01:29:13,159 and there's some great tools now that have really helped um the quality of the 1028 01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:17,319 film itself. Um, you know terrannexing all the I'm sure you're familiar with 1029 01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:25,319 that term, Uh, all the all the archival and um, you know, 1030 01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:30,359 really cleaning things up, not to take the real away, but to 1031 01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:34,279 just take anything that's uh you know, just tracting away. But yeah, 1032 01:29:34,279 --> 01:29:38,720 I hate the call because there. There is a whole technical side that people 1033 01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:43,319 don't understand or don't think about so much that I've had to deal with, 1034 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,960 and I'm sure you've had to deal with where you have to, you know, 1035 01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:53,760 get the best equipment you can and uh and um make the best of 1036 01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:59,039 it. Yeah, and that happened here. Yeah. Well, hey, 1037 01:29:59,079 --> 01:30:02,560 thank you for the call. Yeah, thank you. Good luck with everything, 1038 01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,039 all right? Thanks, our eyes were glazing over right, Emily, 1039 01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:13,840 just a little bit, all right, guys the tech side. Yeah, 1040 01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,039 that's okay. So anyone, anyone can call in. The phone number is 1041 01:30:17,319 --> 01:30:21,279 eight five five four seven two five four eight three. Well, I'm going 1042 01:30:21,319 --> 01:30:27,319 to ask a question, you know, sort of along those lines, but 1043 01:30:27,319 --> 01:30:30,079 but not in the tech part. I just want to ask you what the 1044 01:30:30,119 --> 01:30:35,840 hardest part of making this film was. Um. The hardest part has been 1045 01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:44,479 uh um, having no time to really think or have a life. So 1046 01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,479 this has been my life for ten years. And when when I completed the 1047 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:56,399 film with the crew, um, uh I started to remember, it was 1048 01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,760 just weird. It was like, all of a sudden, I was back 1049 01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,039 in two thousand and eight when I started, and having memories from two thousand 1050 01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:03,960 and eight, I'm like, oh, my god, it was just like 1051 01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:09,199 a it was. It was quite a process that I went through and I 1052 01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:12,880 it was like where I left off. I. Once I got started on 1053 01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:19,600 this, I just didn't stop. And um, so it's been a process. 1054 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:26,840 I mean some of the hardest things were danger dangerous things that I you 1055 01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:30,680 know, going to interview people in Africa in some very very not so good 1056 01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:39,239 places. Um. And that happened several times and actually in a good way. 1057 01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:43,840 It actually grew me as a man as far as Okay, you know, 1058 01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:46,960 when you're in those situations, you just gotta you've got to you've got 1059 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:51,560 to be a man, and you've got to stick it out. And so 1060 01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:56,920 yeah, they're the most difficult part. Boy, there were so many, 1061 01:31:57,039 --> 01:32:01,840 but it was all worth it. But uh, um and um just you 1062 01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:08,359 know, the all the behind the scenes work of tracking down all the material, 1063 01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:13,600 archival and all that, that was another whole thing. But I think 1064 01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:18,760 out in the field was was some of my most difficult. Yeah. Right, 1065 01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:26,000 I guess I'll ask you what was your favorite part about making this film? 1066 01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:35,640 Um, meeting the people who this happened to, meeting Emily, meeting 1067 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:42,960 Emma Salma. I mean there's a forty or forty three people that I sat 1068 01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:48,000 with, and UM, I think that was it. And and the people 1069 01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:54,920 Judy and the staff at Aerial School and they're just amazing, UM, giving 1070 01:32:55,079 --> 01:33:00,520 and helping. UM and the people I work with. I you know, 1071 01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:04,800 I tend to do projects alone generally, you know, in the past I 1072 01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:11,840 have and to bring on the crew that I had was a great growing experience 1073 01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:17,119 for me to to really work and collaborate with five other people that helped me 1074 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:21,279 grow a lot. And UM, and I know it helped the film enormously 1075 01:33:21,319 --> 01:33:28,800 to have such talented people working with me. And so yeah, it's it's 1076 01:33:30,079 --> 01:33:33,319 the part that I really love was is just being able to tell this story 1077 01:33:33,399 --> 01:33:39,640 in the in the in the best way possible, but also working with all 1078 01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:45,560 these people and getting to know them and their lives and understanding them. Yeah, 1079 01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,319 that's all I can say. Yeah, that's great. We have John 1080 01:33:47,399 --> 01:33:50,399 calling from Florida. I believe it's John. Let me take a look. 1081 01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:56,119 Welcome to the show. Yes, how are you doing? It? Is 1082 01:33:56,199 --> 01:34:00,880 John? Right? Yes, it is that's right, John. Thanks for 1083 01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:02,359 the call. You have a question for one of our guests? Are both 1084 01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:10,520 yes, yes, Actually I have a two prong questions first, I want 1085 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,039 to just say this is amazing. I only just learned about this yesterday, 1086 01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:20,039 and I've been seeing the clips and the trailers and actually ended up getting up 1087 01:34:20,039 --> 01:34:23,800 in the middle of the night and couldn't stop thinking about the whole incident. 1088 01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:27,840 So wow, Yeah, it does have that effect. I mean, the 1089 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:34,239 first time I ever saw footage of John mac interviewing these children, it was 1090 01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:39,640 it was moving, it was it was an experience for that, you know, 1091 01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:45,199 really had me thinking really deeply. Yes, yes, exactly. And 1092 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:49,399 and I, like Emily, I grew up overseas ten years of my life 1093 01:34:49,399 --> 01:34:56,439 as a third culture kid they call him. And I was just feeling like 1094 01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:00,319 her experience of being over there, and she talked about a culture shock coming 1095 01:35:00,319 --> 01:35:05,680 back, and then here she's got two culture two shocks in her life because 1096 01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:14,800 of the incident. And so two questions once, just really brief. How 1097 01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:21,600 tall were the aliens? So they were about three and a half to four 1098 01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:26,520 feet tall, and I see that because they were in comparison to around my 1099 01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:32,399 height as a child. Okay, well you were actually to sort of seed 1100 01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:41,720 directly into their eyes because of the height thing. Yes, we're we're we're 1101 01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:45,399 all of the same height. Or were the different heights. Um. I 1102 01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,720 can't speak for anybody else, but the ones that I saw were um like 1103 01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:58,800 identical in height. That's interesting. And my second question is has this changed 1104 01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:03,159 your view of spirituality over time? And what Well, you don't have to 1105 01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:09,039 share it listening, have anything to share it? Yeah, it definitely UM 1106 01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:15,800 opened my eyes. My parents work for the Selvish Army and so we were 1107 01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:25,479 missionaries overseas for the Salvation Army. And I still have a faith in God, 1108 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:30,199 and I think, um, that's going to be something that's covered in 1109 01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:35,359 the documentary film as well, where um, most of the children still have 1110 01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:41,640 a faith in a comprehension and understanding of God, but we also have a 1111 01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:48,760 comprehension and an understanding of another creature. Yeah, to include that. So 1112 01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,479 so in a sense you could say your view of God in the sense of 1113 01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:57,439 maybe well, I know as a child or changes or maybe changes over it 1114 01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:02,399 has a change somewhat then that view of what is God? Yeah. I 1115 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:11,039 went through a bit of a rebel stage in my life where I actually stopped 1116 01:37:11,039 --> 01:37:17,399 going to the church because I didn't understand how it all fit, and so 1117 01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:21,840 I took a step back from spirituality in my life for quite some time, 1118 01:37:23,359 --> 01:37:29,479 and I mean I always it was always near, and it was always prevalent 1119 01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:35,960 as to what I would say, being a spiritual person and growing up with 1120 01:37:36,079 --> 01:37:42,840 some morals, ethics and values and belief. But there was a time in 1121 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:47,119 my life where I did take a step back, and then I had another 1122 01:37:48,079 --> 01:37:55,039 couple of experiences which actually brought me back to my faith. So it was 1123 01:37:55,039 --> 01:37:59,279 a bit of a journey. Wow, hey we have We're running out of 1124 01:37:59,319 --> 01:38:03,279 time rather quickly here, So thanks for the call, John, and we 1125 01:38:03,319 --> 01:38:06,600 have another call. We have a call. Thank you. And I do 1126 01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:12,159 want to tell the the YouTuber out there, anyone on YouTube. When we 1127 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:14,880 end the show tonight, we're going to play that trailer by Gola. You're 1128 01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,079 going to get to watch that trailer. So we do have another caller, 1129 01:38:18,279 --> 01:38:23,640 and this star last caller for the night. We have Andy, Welcome to 1130 01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:30,840 the show from Connecticut. Thank you very much. I realized this is very 1131 01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:35,560 much of a human story. But I am curious to ask what if any 1132 01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:45,119 physical or trace evidence was seen or gathered at the landing site after the Internet 1133 01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:49,359 occurred. I'm wondering if any of the older children walked, any of the 1134 01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:55,119 teachers out to the site either later that day or the next day. Any 1135 01:38:55,159 --> 01:39:02,800 comment there, good question. Yeah, the site was looked at on Basically 1136 01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:09,520 the teachers had kept everybody away from the site and then Cynthia Hind had brought 1137 01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:15,119 in a specialist that she had worked with with the Geiger counter and all kinds 1138 01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:20,520 of other different devices. They took soil samples from five different sites. Nothing 1139 01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:30,720 came back positive as far as unusual anything unusual. There was a part of 1140 01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:38,039 the grant, the long grass that was seemed to be blown down in almost 1141 01:39:38,079 --> 01:39:45,800 like an old horseshoe shape in a way where that this thing was first sighted. 1142 01:39:46,359 --> 01:39:53,760 So as far as tangible, scientifically provable evidence on that, there was 1143 01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:59,359 nothing revealed. But the work was done. But we don't know, you 1144 01:39:59,359 --> 01:40:02,880 know, a lot times we don't know what energies or what what we're dealing 1145 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:09,680 with, what what, what kind of trace traces would be left. Um, 1146 01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,720 it really depends on their technology and how it was employed at the time. 1147 01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,199 If that if this, if that's the case. Um, so that's 1148 01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:19,840 all I have to say about that. But it's a very good question. 1149 01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:25,800 And uh um, yeah, it's definitely something we cover in the film. 1150 01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,159 Also, Andy, thank you we're going to have to cut it now, 1151 01:40:29,359 --> 01:40:39,840 so I do appreciate the call um Emily for you approximately what I guess. 1152 01:40:40,079 --> 01:40:44,039 I guess the screener took that seriously, So the call is gone. I'm 1153 01:40:44,039 --> 01:40:47,319 sorry about that. Andy. Uh. We still have our guests on though, 1154 01:40:47,399 --> 01:40:51,840 right yep, yeah, okay, so yeah, we're at the end 1155 01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,880 of the show, and I do want to thank you so much. I 1156 01:40:56,199 --> 01:41:00,479 really really enjoyed tonight's show. I hope you did too. Yeah, thank 1157 01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,800 you, Martin, thank you, yes, thank you Martin. And check 1158 01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:11,079 out the site at Serial phenomenon dot com and we appreciate any support people can 1159 01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:15,880 give us and any suggestions. We're open and the film is coming soon. 1160 01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:19,439 That's great. All right, I'm going to say good night to you two, 1161 01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:24,079 and I really want to thank you so much. Thank you, Emily, 1162 01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:28,119 thank you, You're welcome. Okay, thank you, all right, 1163 01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:30,600 all right, we'll talk to you soon. Yeah, all right, take 1164 01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:35,920 care of ye bye, so as you. I am so much looking forward 1165 01:41:36,359 --> 01:41:42,119 to this, uh, this show coming out, and please please keep you 1166 01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:46,359 know, checking that out and you will see the show coming on my website. 1167 01:41:46,399 --> 01:41:48,800 I have a banner there and you can keep in touch just by clicking 1168 01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:54,880 there. Next week we have Rob Shelley coming on the show, and stay 1169 01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:59,880 in there on YouTube. We are going to play the trailer for you now 1170 01:42:00,199 --> 01:42:04,840 and remember to keep your eyes to the sky. And hundreds of people today 1171 01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:12,199 phoned is it BCA saying they sighted an unidentifying flying object with a bright radium 1172 01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,359 life. I've never seen anything like it in my life. Some noise I 1173 01:42:15,399 --> 01:42:19,359 didn't like. People from all over Zimbabwe were faring the BBC to say we've 1174 01:42:19,359 --> 01:42:23,319 seen something weird. There were three of us, said sort myself, the 1175 01:42:23,399 --> 01:42:30,479 co pilot and the pilot in another aircraft. Nor wins no nothing shining aial 1176 01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:35,039 school, nineteenth September ninety four, Could you tell me what you saw on 1177 01:42:35,159 --> 01:42:40,880 Friday? The silver thing in amongst this clump of trees. We saw the 1178 01:42:41,039 --> 01:42:45,439 black figure running. His face was like this and his eyes were down here. 1179 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,640 I just thought it was some kind of alium from a different He looked 1180 01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:56,880 at those children, they were absolutely credible and whereabouts was it? And the 1181 01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:00,439 trees? Over day there was a big group of kids appointing and making a 1182 01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,800 noise and shouting and screaming. The panic spread. Am I safe or am 1183 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:09,359 I not safe? He's a Harvard zygiadress meeting doctor John mac We came away 1184 01:43:09,399 --> 01:43:14,520 convinced that an extraordinary event occurred here. I think they want people to know 1185 01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:19,000 that we're actually making harm on world. How did that get communicated to you? 1186 01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:24,560 It cames to my head somehow. There was a message about pollution from 1187 01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:29,439 the way he was staring. I was just a part of journalist. I 1188 01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:32,560 could handle wars, but I could not handle this UF anything. I mean, 1189 01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:38,319 I never felt this could derail my career. Angels, yes, extraterrestrials. 1190 01:43:38,359 --> 01:43:42,680 No, John is lost at this time. This journey is literally to 1191 01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:47,680 pick up the pieces and put them back together. Oh my gosh. I 1192 01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:53,159 was reading on the logs when it actually happens, finding it good. Get 1193 01:43:55,800 --> 01:44:00,640 something that I'll never ever forget. I've drawn off again. That's I usually 1194 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,680 kept it quiet. People think you're crazy. You feel so low in society. 1195 01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:11,039 Why is it we tend to want to shrink this powerful phenomenon to our 1196 01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:15,000 notions of reality, rather than being able to stretch ourselves to expand what we 1197 01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:19,239 know and to admit that we don't know. Would you like to see him 1198 01:44:19,279 --> 01:44:24,800 again? And if you saw him again, what would you do? I'll 1199 01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:28,760 ask him, some Christians, would you like to ask him? I'll ask 1200 01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,359 him what does he doing on earth? And what does he want christ Us