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Well off of a weekend that did
not have a tremendous amount of action,

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that did have a tremendous knockout in
the Queensbury main event in London on Saturday

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night. We've got some fight recap, We've got some news, and we've

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got some Hall of Fame nostalgia because
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weekend of the upset and you talk
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all of that to be covered.
Glad you're with us. It's the

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Good to be back with you,
all right, So we have some

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said, again, the action was
mainly in the UK. The prominent action

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was in the UK. A little
bit later weekend we covered at link the

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tay a female Lopez debacle on the
show going into the weekend, because that

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was Thursday night, Dan, So
people are wondering right here, Well,

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wait a minute, I want to
know about the Lopez fight. We went

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our non fight. We went on
and on about that in the last pot.

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Anyway, how are you? How
are things as we get rolling here

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with another week off the weekend.
I'm good. I don't think I could

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stand another show to discuss that fight, to be quite honestly, so we're

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good. If they want to hear
about the Lopez fight and our thoughts,

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listen to the previous episode non the
non fight in that give them a hints

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on what they're going to hear that
it was terrible piece of shit. Short

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version, bumper sticker version of that. For the analysis, Okay, what

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was not terrible? Segue in the
Queensbury main event? This hams of Sharaz,

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and I gotta admit I had not
watched him live before. And by

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the way, if you didn't tune
in very quickly, you didn't see him

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live in this fight with Liam Williams. You and I did handicap it on

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the bet Us show Friday at one
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I was not thinking first round destruction. That's exactly what this turned out to

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be. In the main event.
What to make of this? What do

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you make of this? Because Williams
is a veteran, a former world title

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challenger, and it was over quickly. There's a lot of ways I think

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you can look at it. First
and foremost, Sharraz looks like he's a

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legit prospect. The one thing that
stands out about him, and I have

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seen him a couple of times before
this. He's now nineteen and zero and

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being brought along the media members in
Britain had voted him as the Britain's Young

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Boxer, which is like a big, you know, sort of important award

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for up and coming fighters that he
got. That I think was last year.

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So he has some some expectations,
some credentials, I guess, But

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having watched some of his recent fights, he looks like he's a pretty good

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puncher. The one thing that definitely
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as a middleweight. I mean,
he's you know, he's like he's listed

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at six foot three and he towered
over Liam Williams, and he's going to

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be a big h That's gonna be
a big advantage for him if he if

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he uses that to his advantage in
terms of the reach and you know,

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keeping guys on the outside. I
mean, I wasn't shocked that he got

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a knockout. I thought it would
go the route. I mean, I

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picked that because the number was so
enticing on the US line. I thought

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Liam Williams, being the veteran,
would only been briefly stopped one time against

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a top notch opponent when he when
he lost by a knockout against Liam Smith,

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a former champion. Granted it was
in the lighter weight division. That

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was at one hundred and fifty four
pounds, but even still, I thought

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he might be able to make it
a fight. His other fights had come

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again decisions of decision loss to Liam
Williams in their match, decisions to guys

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like Dimitris andre in a you know, in a world title fight also at

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middleweight, and Chris Hubang Junior.
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He showed absolutely no punch resistance at
all. And again I'm not looking to

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rip on William Wi Liam Williams,
but he looked like a completely spent bullet

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at age thirty one. In this
fight he could not handle just a basic

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jab. He got knocked down multiple
times. It was really the jab that

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did it. I mean on the
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TJ he was he was reacting very
badly to the punches where his legs

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look very shaky. And so when
you say, well, what do you

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make of it? I think it's
probably a combination of two things. Charraz

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is good, but maybe not as
great as he looked and doing what he

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did, and Williams is a lot
more gone than I think maybe many of

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us thought he was. So it's
hard to gauge that, because, yes,

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the result is a result. You
have a good young up and come

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fighter, twenty four years old,
undefeated, big size, big lawn reach,

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good jab, good power, gets
a first round knockout. But to

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do it against a guy that you
thought would be able to hang in there

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for a bit, because his past
shows you that. It was very disappointing

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to see him go out the way
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and he I can't say he took
quote unquote punishment. Yes, he got

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knocked down two times and was being
hurt a bit, but again you're talking

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about you know, two and a
half minutes had gone by, and you

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know that's not usually it's very rare, frankly, that you see a corner

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call it a day in the first
round. All right, So the second

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knockdown actually was an upper cut that
he called, and then he heard him

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again with the jab right after that, and Williams was kind of coming forward,

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staggering towards his own corner, and
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a left through the gloves and the
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Now, they did point out on
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also on ESPN Plus in the US, that that was a new that was

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a new trainer. Correct, this
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old trainer that he went back to, but it's a new camp with a

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new trainer. They were saying at
the beginning, would it make a difference,

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So maybe this guy sinds, Hey, you know you weren't looking good

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in camp. I'm now worried for
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I'm just I'm just filling in that
blank that it. I guess that I

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understand that whether it's a new trainer
l trainer, that the quarter has to

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look out for the best interest of
the fighter. I have a hard time

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with a towel being thrown in round
one philosophy purposes. Only the referee knows

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what they're doing. He hadn't.
I mean, he didn't get pummeled.

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He got dropped with like a jab
that was solid. You mentioned I made

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a mistake. It was a different
shot with the other knockdown. I just

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felt like, first round, yeah, he's going to lose the fight probably,

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but this is professional boxing, it's
not that's not appropriate. In my

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opinion, unless there's some devastating reason
to do so. So again we're kind

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of picking airs. But the main
that the real storyline is not about,

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you know, the end of Lee
and Williams' career as any meaningful kind of

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fighter, unfortunately for him, but
that Sharaz is the guy you want to

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see again, whether you think it's
because he's really that good or because you

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know, maybe it's because Williams was
what what he's supposed to be in that

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matchup. I want to see uh
hamsas Charaz again. He's a very interesting

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prospect. He comes along in a
weight class that we've discussed numerous times on

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this show when there's been other fights. It is very very uh uh the

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bereft of the top quality guys.
Uh. You know, you do have

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a unified champion in uh you know, in the weight class uh In Jenebek

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al Mcanoolly so, but it's it's
not a very big time weight class at

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the moment, you know, and
it's such a traditional weight class with so

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many greats over the years, you
know, Charlotte, we talked about being

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inactive Arizonati Lara Holds one of the
belts hasn't fought in a while and has

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generally terrible opposition. He does have
a fight coming up with his mandatory in

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March. Adamis who's been inactive,
who has one of the interim titles.

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The point is at the top of
the weight class is not much. You

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know, Triple G's often a seemingly
retirement, and so if you're looking around,

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there's a couple of younger guys that
stand out that are interesting. Queensberry

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has Sharaz who's definitely somebody to keep
an eye on. Just the previous week

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you had Austin M. L Williams, who's also that when that weight class

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was unbeaten, similar record, similar
age. He's with Matchroom Boxing. Matter

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of fact, I made the comment, Yeah, they're gonna do this card

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that's gonna match up the five Eddie
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on one of the under you know, the preliminary fights for one of the

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Saudi Arabia cards that's gonna be coming
up. They haven't made the determination of

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who they're gonna pick or what weight
classes and all that, but I thought,

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you know what, that would be
a great matchup. I mean,

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if they're really willing to roll the
dice and put their top young guys in.

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How about Sharaz against against Amma Williams
both, that's a tremendous matchup.

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In your assessment, Sharra's probably still
a couple of fights away from being a

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legitimate title challenger. I mean,
I don't know why he couldn't be backing

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like ninety to one hundred two days
or less off of that off of one

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round. But it's not realistic to
think, is it that he would have

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a title shot like this fall this
winter? Realistically? Is it a couple

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more fights for him? I would
think so. I mean, it's impossible

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to say. But as they just
mentioned, you, the champions in the

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division are not popular figures, or
not big money making figures, or not

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big active figures. You're talking about
Charlot, that's a PBC thing. Forget

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about that. I mean, who
the heck knows when he's coming back and

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he's sure his heck isn't going to
be worried about. You know, a

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guy that tall, that long,
that's not his own promoter or whatever.

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I see zero chance of that occurring. But you know, Jannabeck, you

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know, maybe listen, they need
opponents top rankas and they do good business

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with Frank Warre. Maybe they'll say, listen, we're looking for a guy.

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What do you think? I mean, who knows. I don't know.

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It's not like I'm saying they're gonna
do that, but it wouldn't be

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like theloniest thing ever. But he
doesn't really come with a big roundswell of

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of popularity or whatever. You know, he's a work in progress. I

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mean, I don't know if William
Williams first round knockouts enough to get you

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the championship fight, right But listen, I'm not I'm not going to handicap

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if he's gonna get a shot run. I'll just say this, TJ.

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He's a good looking young fighter.
He's twenty four years old, he's coming

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into his own. He's got good
punching power, he's got great size.

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I want to see more of them, yep, and let's just enjoy the

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ride. But right now, it
was fun to watch him do that,

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even though you know, Williams clearly
was not what he was when he was

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at his best. All right.
On the undercard, we did also handicap

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the Anthony Yard light heavyweight fight with
nikolch the Serbian. We joked on that

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show that I don't think you and
I have ever on the record handicapped in

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the almost two years we've been doing
the bet US Show. A two and

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a half round over under two point
five, and I'm getting texts on Saturday

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afternoon US time from my man ray
Field. He's made it out of the

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second round. I'm honestly doing something
else. I wasn't in front of ESPN

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Plus at the moment. Okay,
I get another text, he's made it

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the third round. O F he's
down again. And then as the end

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result, Yard got his knockout and
we did not get home. You and

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I both thought past the middle of
the third it did not make it.

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It's not a shock that Yard won. He was minus eleven hundred by ko

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fifteen seconds though we got rob Baby. So in Nicolch's case, did he

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take I have only seen one clip. Did he take serious shots throughout the

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two and a half rounds and it's
surprising that he even made it to the

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third round. Listen, he gave
a great effort. You can't knock him

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for the for trying. He was
Outgune. You could see from the opening

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bell that was how it was supposed
to be. I just saw a guy

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with his level of fights and and
and all the business that he's done before

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that he could survive two and a
half rounds much longer than that. I

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didn't expect. But I, as
I said to you when we were doing

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the show, I can't bring myself
to take the under on a two and

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a half round fight. I mean, if it was if it was Mike

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Tyson versus Peter McNeely kind of taken
the under, you know what I mean.

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But I figure on this kind of
fight, I just couldn't bring myself

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to do it. And look,
Yard got the job done. You know,

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he's he was in with an opponent
that was supposed to get knocked out.

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It was only a matter of how
long it would take, which is

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you know why the over under was
such a such a low number. He's

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now one two in a row against
just you know, stepping stone like c

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D level kind of opposition since the
great matchup and superb Action fight. He

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lost by knockout in January of last
year in the title fight against Better BF.

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But he's exciting, he's powerful,
He's got obviously a good team behind

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him with Frank Warren that knows what
they're doing, so he's in the mix.

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I mean, look, we're gonna
see hopefully that I'll get announced in

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the in the very near future that
it's one hundred official with better BF against

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b will for the undisputed title.
Once that fight takes place come June.

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You know, like his typical I
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something will be relinquished, something will
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I mean, the winner is going
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the title. And even though he's
lost two world title fights against Better BF

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by a knockout, and that you
go back to two thousand and nineteen,

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a late knockout where he did a
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He gave Sergey Kobol have a good, solid test and a title challenge for

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the WBO belt in Coviev's hometown in
Russia. This was the fight right before

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covid Lev took on Canelo Alvarez and
got knocked out. But yard was his

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mandatory that they got done. He
got stopped in round eleven, but he

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gave a great account of himself in
that fight. It was competitive and uh,

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you know, when he's lost to
the best guys, but he's got

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good such power, he's exciting.
You want to see him again. So

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whether it's a title fight or some
other contender fight. I mean, I

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was thinking to myself and what happened, but I'd love to see him fight

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like a Biwatzi for example. Now
it's interesting you bring that name up.

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Biazzi was right there post fight interviews. I said fight, But I mean

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again, Biozzi fought on the Boxer
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they were fighting on. What's the
what's the thought on the promoters getting together?

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Because and would Bowatzi risk it with
Anthony Yard when Bilozzi's kind of in

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position right that I'm when I say
that I'd like to see that fight,

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that's just the wishful thinking of a
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Also here, Joshua Watsie, you
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the position where you now are the
mandatory for a world title. He is

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the mandatory now for the b BOL
belt. So when the fight takes place

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to him, better be than b
BOL. At some point he's going to

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get the shot against that guy.
They're not going to risk that against a

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Yard with that kind of punching power. He took a big risk and it

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was a tremendous fight and he,
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the victory against Dan a Z's.
Maybe they bring his ease back and they

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make a match between him and the
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there, those are within the context
of British boxing. Those are attractive fights.

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You know, you also had you
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in action that was on the matchup
cards, which we'll talk about. He's

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a contender in that weight class where
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very spirited effort that he looked at. And my point is there are fights

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out there for these guys to fight
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fights and make interesting matchups. And
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in the light heavyweight division and it's
it's good to see him back in the

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back in action. You know.
Again, I'd like to see him not

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fight this lowest level of opposition,
But I get it. You fought the

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title fight, you come back soft, there's no big fight there. You

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want to keep active, get the
fans interested again. He did what he's

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supposed to do. He's now got
a second round knockout in the comeback from

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the better BF fight. This fight, what's the third round knockout and off

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we go. We'll see what's next. But there's he's going to get some

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other opportunity. You have to figure, all right. So speaking of match

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Room, their Prospects show Saturday night
in London saw Reese Bellotti win over Liam

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Dillon. That's Banham weights. I
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Uh there, junior lightweights, junior
lightweights. Excuse me, I'm just reading

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off the list here. British junior
lightweight champer. Let me get that straight.

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So Bellatti gets the victory. I've
read the recaps. I did not

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see this fight. Ballotti has five
losses, so that's interesting. This was

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Dylan's first loss. So tell me
more about what you saw off the Mattroom

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show. I saw a tremendous fight. I mean, it won't be like

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the international fight of the Year,
but I think when the folks in Britain

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talk about their British Fight of the
Year, which is a category a lot

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of the media and folks discuss I
know we're only in the beginning of February,

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but that might be one of the
fights that finds its way onto those

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types of lists. It was a
good, exciting, high contact, you

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know, spirited fight from the opening
bell. Both guys gave it a tremendous

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effort. Ballotti retained the Commonwealth title. He won the British Junior lightweight title.

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You know, if you're a British
fighter, the dream of a lot

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of British fighters, of course they
want to be world champions, but that

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starts with I want to be the
British champion. It's the beautiful Lonsdale Belt

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is one of the most attractive,
awesome looking belts ever made in boxing,

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and it's like a big deal to
get the British title. And I thought

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that, you know, after this
fight was over, with the way the

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Ballotti spoke about how important it was
to him. You know, something he

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said he dreamed about since he's a
kid. I mean, maybe even more

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than being a world champion, which
you know he hasn't done that obviously,

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and he talked about and the commentators
mentioned this. You know, look,

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he's in the later stages of his
career. He's thirty three years old,

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he's got five losses, been stopped
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he's at a certain level within Britain. It's not gonna necessarily be challenging for

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world titles. He's an interesting character
though, you know, he comes off

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well, he's exciting, and he
went through a period of time in twenty

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nineteen, a couple of years he
lost three fights in a row and everybody

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figured his career is over with.
He's done for at least at this level.

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He's never going to get to the
British level again. And he then

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won won some fights and he beat
an undefeated guy in his last fight,

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Fiaz. That was sort of an
unexpected situation. He gets the shot here

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and after the fight he scored such
a great win in this fight with Dylan

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was such a tremendous battle, you
know, I mean, anybody that didn't

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watch it, it's definitely worth watching
the replayer on demand on his own.

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He made the point he has a
young son, said, you know,

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my son thought I was a loser
because he knew I lost three fights in

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a row. Now I can tell
him on the British champions. I mean,

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that doesn't make you think about what's
important to these guys, you know,

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how can you do that? And
by the way, the one fight

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that a lot of people did see
and talk about in the third loss of

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those three fights in a row.
You know, he got knocked out in

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the third round by ray Ford,
who was one of the top young fighters

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coming up, who's now coming up
in a couple of weeks going to challenge

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for the vacant WBA world title in
the featherweight division. So it's a does

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a big win for Ballati. I
mean, it's not the kind of fight

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we would necessarily spend a huge amount
of time on if there was a lot

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of other stuff going on, But
it was the main event on what Mattchroom

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Boxing calls their next generation cards next
Gen. You know, it's sort of

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like, I'll give it the comparison
to like the Matchroom Boxing sort of quasi

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showbox type of series where it's younger
fighters or you know not it's neither not

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big, big big purses or big
crowds. This was held you know,

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it was at the O two arena, but not in the main arena.

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They held it in a night club
essentially called the Indigo, which I've been

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to when they did the weigh in
for kel Brook against Triple G for example.

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It's kind of like and it's even
smaller than this, sort of like

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you were going to go to Madison
Square Garden. There's the big main arena

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and then there's the The theater holds
about five thousand people. The main arena

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holds like twenty thousand. The O
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size arena. The Indigo, you
know, maybe it holds a couple of

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thousand for fight cards. It's a
very small, intimate sort of atmosphere.

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Nice venue. I mean, it
was cool for the weigh in, and

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so that's where they had this particular, uh, particular fight. So it

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was it was a tremendous battle,
and you know it was two uh,

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you know, two guys that were
going at it. Liam Dillon is a

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was an undefeated fighter, was a
little bit younger, gave a great effort

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and, as Eddie Hern said in
his interview after the fight, because you're

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gonna fight like that, you're not
gonna be We're not gonna get rid of

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you, We're not throwing you away
or anything like that. You fight that

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kind of fight you got, you
might have got a loss, but we'll

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be happy to have you back and
put you on, you know, some

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other show. You bring that kind
of entertainment value, you give that kind

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of effort, You deserve to have
another shot. So you know, it

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sucks to lose for any of these
guys. But when you have said this

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a million times, you go in
the ring and you put on a good

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fight. Yeah, you might not
make as much money the next time out,

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but you're gonna get other opportunities and
you can build up you know yourself

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again and still have a career.
And that's exactly what happened Ballot. He's

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got a new lease on life and
Dylan's got a loss. But it was

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a tremendous battle. And you know
what, I didn't know a lot about

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these guys, to be quite honest, going into it. I mean,

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I've seen Bilotti fight a few times. I knew who he was. I

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saw the fight against ray Ford Liam
Dillon. You know, I knew the

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name, I know the record.
I've seen him with you know, some

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clips and maybe one fight, but
I'm definitely watching them next time he's fighting.

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After what I saw between him and
Bla, it was just a really,

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really good, exciting fight, entertaining
scrap about all right, and there

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are some other good prospects on that
all else anything else well, So Craig

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Richards as I mentioned to him and
we were talking about the last fight.

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So he's like one of the better
British light heavyweight contenders. You know,

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he's eighteen and three now. He
came back after a lengthy layoff. He

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hadn't fought since he lost a decision
to Bowatsei in the middle of twenty twenty

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two. A couple of fights before
that. He gave a great effort and

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he didn't win the fight, but
he made it very, very competitive when

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he challenged Dmitri Bibo for the WBA
title, and so he fits in the

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picture for some of these fights.
He came back against a fighter named Boris

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Brighton, a journeyman opponent. This
was, you know, the kind of

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fight where he was supposed to get
back in the groove and win, and

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it took him a few rounds to
get to get going, but in the

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end he scored a nice knockout in
the seventh round, dropped him in the

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round and puts himself in a great
position to fight some of the top light

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heavilys. We're talking about whether it's
maybe you know, again, I don't

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know, depending on the promotional situation. But you want to make him against

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a rematch with Boazzi, You want
to do a fight between him and Yard,

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you know there, there's there's guys, and he fits in the mix

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with any of the top British guys
out there. You know, him and

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his zs would be a tremendous fight. Again, there's promotional issues there.

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I'm only making a point that he
is definitely coming back after the layoff,

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back in the picture for those types
of fights and the and the younger fighter

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that was on the card. You
know, Rich is a little bit older

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contender. There's a young fighter now
four and oh that that match Room Boxing

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sign named Cameron Vian who they've been
featuring. He's been very active in his

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first four fights over the last few
months. Turned pro in October, having

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his fourth fight was in February.
Already scheduled again for a fight coming up

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that'll take place in April. This
kid looks from what I saw I seen

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each one of his fights so far, exciting and has a real chance.

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He's a lightweight maybe to go a
long way again the jury is out because

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it's so infancy of his career,
but definitely worth keeping an eye on.

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They put him in the co feature
position. Seems like he's got a growing

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fan base already. You know,
good personality, speaks well and can fight.

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So Cameron Young remember the name?
I guess remember that name at least

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early here some news and then a
whole bunch of nostalgia around the Buster Douglass

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upset of Mike Tyson, and a
little more on Oscar de la Jolla having

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an anniversary coming up as well.
Okay, so when we talked on our

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preview podcast Thursday night into Friday morning, we did talk about Ryan Garcia and

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Devin Haney heating up, and now
the deal is done. We have the

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date, do we have the location
or what's the hit? Do we think

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it's Las Vegas? What's the latest
on Hany and Ryan Garcia that is now

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going to happen? And I'm interested
in this. I think a lot of

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people are interested. This is one
of the better fights right now on paper

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in twenty twenty four. Oh,
no doubt about it. I mean if

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you go back a month and a
half ago or so two months ago,

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I Remember they were saying they wanted
to fight each other, and they were

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talking about doing the deal, and
it felt like it was going to probably

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get worked out at some point.
They're both on the same broadcaster and and

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things seem to be going fine.
They wanted to fight each other. As

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we've talked about, Ryan Garcia and
Devin Haney have fought six times in the

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amateur ranks, splitting those fights going
three and three against each other. But

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both guys were very vocal about wanting
to fight each other. Okay, and

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as we've talked about many many times
TJ, most of the time, when

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two fighters really want to fight each
other, all the other bullshit gets taken

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care of. Whatever it is a
promotional thing, a network thing. You

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know, they figure it out.
You know, if the will is there

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on the behalf of their team of
the fighter, you know they can.

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You know, like we talked about
with the when Ryan fought Tank Davis,

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he just wasn't going to take no
for an answer. He gave up everything

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to fight that fight. You know, it didn't work out for him,

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but I appreciate the fact that he
wanted to do it. In this case,

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you had him saying the same thing
about Haney, and Haney was amendable

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to it without question. And then
suddenly, out of nowhere, he pulls

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a one to eighty after a little
jogging session with Floyd Mayweather, who was

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Rollly Romero's promoter at Mayweather Promotions,
and suddenly he's saying, well, you

407
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,759
know what, never mind Oscar meaning
de la Hoya, how about go try

408
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:27,759
to make me a fight with Rolla
Romero. And they got far down the

409
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:30,240
road, and then, you know
whatever was going on behind the scenes with

410
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,440
PBC. Instead of taking the big
time money fight in a pay per view

411
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:41,480
against Ryan Garcia, Rolli Romero takes
undercard fight on the Amazon Prime Video kickoff

412
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,519
with PBC in March that will be
between you know, the main event bing

413
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:47,680
Keith Thurman and Tim Zu and he's
gonna fight Isaac Cruz on that undercard,

414
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,720
So okay, he put himself out
of that position. So now once again

415
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:55,279
Garcia has no obvious opponent Devin Hainey, who has just had a great victory

416
00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:59,319
in a one sided route against Regis
Progra to win the WBC title. He

417
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:00,920
doesn't have a partic kular opponent lined
up. You know, he would have

418
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,480
loved to fight, Tank Davis,
they weren't even returning calls or being interested

419
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,359
in that, you know, Ti
fiam Lopez was doing his business with the

420
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,599
fight that took place a few days
ago with Jamaine Ortiz or or non fight

421
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,359
exactly. So the bottom line was
the biggest opponent was let's go back to

422
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,599
the any fight. So both guys
were looking for a big name opponent to

423
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,279
make a big event and a lot
of money. So they were able to

424
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:26,880
go back to the to the to
the table and relative to your average big

425
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:33,240
time fight. Davis, uh,
you know when he fought against Ryan Garcia,

426
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:37,400
that was like a give him birth. The fight that was made between

427
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:41,759
Ryan and Haney. Once they got
back to the table, TJ took him,

428
00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,559
like I don't know, a week, ten days to get it ironed

429
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:48,400
out. I mean again, all
things considered, and you compare it against

430
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,000
other, you know, big time
matchups, that was really easy fight to

431
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:55,279
make. I mean they're on the
same broadcaster. The two boxers wanted to

432
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:59,680
fight each other. Hany you know, wants that big name, which Ryan

433
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,119
Garcia is. Ryan Garcia wants the
title, which was never really that important

434
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,480
to him, but once he became
big and famous, and made a shitload

435
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:07,720
of money. You know, he
had said to me and others that now

436
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,680
winning a title became the focus of
what he wanted to do, and so

437
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,359
they were let me object. For
your legacy, you gotta win world championships,

438
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,640
and you gotta beat world champions It's
great that you have one point three

439
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,240
social media followers, but that don't
get whatever ten million, That doesn't get

440
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,920
you in Hall of Fame. My
man, Rayfael's not voting on social media

441
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,799
clicks. You're voting on a fight. Last I checked. Last I checked.

442
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,480
You've got to test yourself and beat
the bigger names at least some of

443
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:38,960
the time, if not most of
the time, to be that. And

444
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,319
I this is so many levels above
even a Teya Femo Lopez fight. This

445
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,000
is a tremendous This is me saying
this. They're not paying us to say

446
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,759
this. This is a tremendous fight
on paper. Now, we saw a

447
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:56,319
little preamble to the Constitution at Super
Bowl Radio Row. You saw this video

448
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,319
where they were both giving interviews hyping
up the fact that it looks like it's

449
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,640
gonna happen right in the same city, Las Vegas. Not confirmed, but

450
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,440
likely, Yes, And then the
entourages are around each other, and suddenly

451
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,799
Ryan and Devin Haney are around each
other and there's pushing and shoving. Where

452
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,079
Hani shoved much like Lomachenko on the
on the bus, it was really hold

453
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,960
on. It was actually Garcia that
did the first of the shove. I

454
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,119
thought that the one. There were
fifty seven different angles. There's a really

455
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,039
first class shove by Devin Haney.
I saw that the kid was kind of

456
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,599
retaliation reminiscent here, but anyway,
but go ahead. That was design.

457
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,319
That was so it was honestly,
that was kind of cringey because it was

458
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:37,799
so unnecessary. It was so stupid. There wasn't even like a lot of

459
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:38,880
media there. It was what I
mean, that's why I don't buy that

460
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,799
it was designed. There weren't TV
cameras or just guys holding their phones that

461
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,400
put it up away from Radio Row
been doing Radio Row the other day.

462
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:49,240
Was that if they had had some
cameras around, was those the fight had

463
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,119
been signed and they wanted to do
something. It's like the soft launch of

464
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,720
the promotion, right. They kind
of missed the boat because if they had

465
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,359
done it a few days earlier,
they could have really played it up on

466
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,559
the radio row stuff. Uh so, but the deal was done when they

467
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,799
went there. They did some of
those interviews, each of them separately,

468
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:04,720
and then they were purposely they knew
they were going to see each other.

469
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,559
They were brought together to do a
photo op to get some pictures to disseminate

470
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,039
them, and some video and all
that, and then of course what happened

471
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:15,720
happened to me. That doesn't change
to me. The nonsensical shoving and and

472
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:21,559
bullshit to me does absolutely zero to
either raise my level of interest or diminish

473
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,079
my level of interest, because it
was what it was before that. I

474
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:27,000
don't you know, maybe I'm an
old man yelling at a cloud, but

475
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,920
I've seen that shit too many times. It doesn't impact me one way or

476
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,079
the other. My interest in the
fight is going to be what it's going

477
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,319
to be. And that was so
contrived, I felt like, But again,

478
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,279
it's a it's a it's a big
time matchup. It's you know,

479
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,759
it's well, while a lot of
other guys out there, all they do

480
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:47,119
is go on social media and call
out fights. At least when you look

481
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,119
at Devin Haney and you look at
Ryan Garcia, they do the same thing

482
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,440
on social media. But then they
actually signed contracts for fights, so they

483
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,440
do both of them. They get
their people riled up and called this guy

484
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,240
out, call that guy out.
But in the end of the day,

485
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,960
they actually signed contracts and both guys
have to be commended because here you have

486
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:11,759
Garcia has the big, mega fight
against Tank Davis, loses in a huge

487
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,480
fight, comes back, looks really
solid and good and gets a knock it

488
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,079
against the warte and doesn't mess around. Goes right into the biggest fight possible

489
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:22,000
against Hane that could be made.
He's taken a big gamble. He's gonna

490
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,759
be the underdog and for Haine,
Jesus the guy goes raises his hand when

491
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,720
Loma pulls out against Cambos's. Not
only does he go to Australia for Undisputed,

492
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:34,960
he goes there twice, wins handily
both times on enemy turf, and

493
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,519
makes a lot of money. Fights
the last fight of his contract to get

494
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,279
the Cambos's fight, he out a
three fight deal with top rank in Debella

495
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,839
fights Lomachenko. Now, yeah,
some people thought he didn't win the fight.

496
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,559
I thought it was a draw.
But you know, you can certainly

497
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:49,440
argue Devin one. He put in
a great, a good performance and that

498
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:53,400
a very excellent fight, gets that
big win. And what does he do

499
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,880
after that? Signs for program?
Consider the number one or number two guy

500
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,680
in the way class doesn't just beat
him, puts a masterclass on wins twelve

501
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,880
to nothing, shut him out.
And now looking around what I want to

502
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,319
do, He's not mate wasting his
time. He goes right into the next

503
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:11,599
biggest possible fight. So he's gonna
have cambosis twice. Lomachenko program and now

504
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:17,759
Garcia. I mean that's about fights
in less than twenty four months. Yes,

505
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,799
staying active guys, and you help
your own marketability, you help your

506
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,240
own dollars, you help your own
legacy by doing that. And listen,

507
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,680
his team mainly his father Bill,
who's as trainer also, so first and

508
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,359
foremost, he's obviously got him to
the to the level where he is as

509
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:37,160
a champion. But in terms of
doing the management, they've done a good

510
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,640
job because they've done these short deals, they've been able to kind of pick

511
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,240
and choose what they want to do. They did the three fights over the

512
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,279
you know, with the Cambosa situation, got the Loma fight, then they

513
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,960
did the deal with Eddie Hearn,
who he's worked with before, and it

514
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,839
gets along with everybody does good business
together. But he did not have a

515
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:56,119
long term contract from my understanding and
determined and making the deal for the Ryan

516
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,000
Garcia fight. The only thing that
that naturally had was they had the right

517
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,839
to match, and I guess whatever
it was the offer of Mad to Devin,

518
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,440
he just couldn't do that. And
so he'll be involved as like the

519
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,079
inassociation with and I'm sure we'll be
there to speak on Devon's behalf and those

520
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,680
sorts of things, and obviously he'll
make you know, a certain amount of

521
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,400
money that that Devin would owe him. But Golden Boy really made this fight

522
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,160
mostly with the father and but you
know that's a good thing because I don't

523
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,839
know what Devn's deal is with Golden
Boy going forward, but I am told

524
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,240
there is no rematch clause on either
end. Neither guy is obligated to anything

525
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,680
that they'll you know, if there's
gonna be a rematch, they'll be because

526
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,559
the people want it and it makes
sense and it's you know, good faith

527
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,200
to negotiate it. But there's nothing
automatic like there is in some of these

528
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,880
other cockamami deals that drive me crazy. So made the best man win.

529
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,680
But you know, we're we're getting
another quality fight added when you added to

530
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,559
the schedule. When you examine that
schedule, when you see, okay,

531
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:53,920
granted it was delayed with Theory and
u Sick, we're gonna get better Beev

532
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,480
against Bevil. You know, Anthony
Joshua and Agan who may not be everybody's

533
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:00,960
cup of team, but that's still
a big fight, particularly after Niaganuo did

534
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,279
what he did with Theory. We
got this fight, and we've got you

535
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,359
know, a number of good quality
fights. You know, even even Limachenko

536
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,640
going to Aushelia. If I Cambosis, I know he's gonna be the big

537
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,640
favorite, but that's there's nothing wrong
with That's an interesting fight also for a

538
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,920
lot of different reasons. You go
on right down the divisions and fighting.

539
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,839
I would say that other I mean, you got the the undisputed is now

540
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,519
rescheduled for May with Fury and Usick. We got undisputed with better BV and

541
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:30,640
b Boll, so those should rank
higher. I would put this one next

542
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:35,799
just from the interest standpoint and the
fact that Hani was undisputed at one thirty

543
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:39,279
five now has a belt at one
forty. The popularity of Ryan Garcia and

544
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:45,480
the intrigue. I know in England
they're gonna put the Joshua in Ghanu fight

545
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,200
higher up probably than this fight in
the UK. And he's a good fight

546
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,960
also, I mean yeah, because
of the way the Naganu, I would

547
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,480
rank this third. I know Canelo's
fighting in May, but if Canelo's fighting

548
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:59,839
Jamal Charlow, like we keep hearing, I don't care. I care abouposedly.

549
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,599
I care about this fight, supposedly, and I'll believe at all when

550
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:08,240
I see it that there's now been
apparently some conversation about maybe Canelo versus Mangia.

551
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:12,880
We'll see what happens. But uh, okay, that's much. But

552
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,119
yeah, anytime, even if Canelo
is fighting Charlotte, which I mean we've

553
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:19,440
discussed that already, neither one of
us care for that matchup. But you

554
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,720
still have your number one star in
the sport, at least in this side

555
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,119
of the world, getting back in
the ring. But again, it depends

556
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,359
on the opponent. And you know, we're waiting on to see what Tank

557
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,839
Davis is going to do for his
next fight. There's nothing squared away there

558
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:31,559
at least nothing that's been announced.
We'll get to some stuff on that a

559
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:37,799
minute. There's there's that in spite
of itself, good fights are being scheduled

560
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,279
and at the end of the day, that's all we really should care about.

561
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,799
I mean, yes, it's fun
to talk about all the bullshit and

562
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,920
the back and forth and this and
that, but the end, it's really

563
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,480
about what's the matchup and how pumped
are you for it? And you know

564
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:53,759
what, Devin Hainey against Ryan Garcia. Is it the biggest fight of all

565
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:57,599
time? I'm sure isn't. But
it's a very interesting matchup. And what

566
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,839
I like about it is that the
very very popular figure in Garcia wants to

567
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,440
take on the toughest challenge. Look, this is a guy. Whatever happens,

568
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:12,519
Tank Davis and Devin Haney are two
of the most formidable opponents you could

569
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:15,639
possibly pick, you know, either
in the lightweight or the junior wealthy right

570
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,840
division. And he's doing him two
out of three fights in the span of

571
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,000
a year, and in April to
April asked, and we're not getting this

572
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:27,320
fight in June. We're getting this
fight now in about sixty days, which

573
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,559
it didn't take fucking a year and
a half to birth it. We like

574
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:31,679
it. They talked about it for
a couple of weeks. We all got

575
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,920
hyped up. They made the fucking
fight. Yeah, No, there's a

576
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,280
little intricacy that it took a while
for us to get Fury and husick.

577
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,920
That's exactly what you're implying. Well, think about how long forget about that,

578
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,679
think about how long it took to
make Garcia and Spence and Tank Davis

579
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,199
against Garcia. No, I mean
forever? All right, speaking of Tank

580
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,679
Davis, we've references two or three
times. This is on the rundown.

581
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,119
Do you want me to say it
while we're talking about it before we start?

582
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,079
What are we doing? What I
mean? Eddie Hearn says he's prepared

583
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:06,719
to make an eight figure offer to
Jervonte Davis to fight Connor Benn. That's

584
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,639
great. He doesn't have anything to
do with Javonte Davis. All right,

585
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:12,440
what are we doing Ben? He's
kind of Ben's promoter. I understand that,

586
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:16,079
But when is the I'm asking I'm
not just being sarcastic. When is

587
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:21,119
the last time that Eddie Hearn was
in on any big deal with a PBC

588
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,239
fighter in a huge pay per view
or a huge main event. I can't

589
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,559
think of one. So why are
they going to do business with him?

590
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,639
I don't. I don't know,
but all right, enlighten me. He

591
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,840
says he's making an eight figure offer. Okay, great, I'm not sitting

592
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,800
here endorsing it. I mean,
we're covering this on What's happening in news,

593
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,519
so it is. It's happening,
so we're talking about it. He

594
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:44,639
has said in his various interviews that
he's gonna make that offer. They want

595
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:45,840
to have Connor Ben in a big
fight. You know, if they can

596
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,760
get their license in the UK.
Fine, if it means coming back and

597
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,360
fighting in America for a third consecutive
fight, they'll do that. Also.

598
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,679
I guess, uh. I kind
of found it more sizzle than steak.

599
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,039
I guess, and I don't.
I'm not. I don't have anything in

600
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,440
any way to up out all sizzle. You're being kind. I find it

601
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,639
all sizzle. Keep going. I
don't have any problem with Eddie Hearn making

602
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:12,920
that kind of offer and talking about
that. He that's what promoters are supposed

603
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,039
to do, even if the fight
does not come to fruition. You have

604
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:20,920
now linked in the minds of some
fans your boxer Connor Ben to Jervontay Davis,

605
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,280
which is not a bad thing when
Gervontay Davis is one of the biggest

606
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,000
names in the sport and has a
tremendous amount of popularity and has done tremendous

607
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:30,920
business in his fights at the gate, on pay per view, et cetera.

608
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:32,920
You know, do I first of
all, let's cut to the chase.

609
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,920
Do I think the fight's happening?
Probably not. Am I interested in

610
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,800
the fight? Not really? I
mean to deserve that right, I agree

611
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,519
with what would the hypothetical weight be? Because Ben's been fighting around junior middleway?

612
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:46,559
What would the what would the hypothetical
weight be? I mean it would

613
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:52,079
it would be welterweight, It'd be
one forty seven. But again, I

614
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:53,840
don't think it's going to happen.
And the other thing I would say,

615
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,320
is this eight figure offer to me
or you or ninety nine percent of the

616
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,760
world. That's like a shitload of
money. Obviously, if you're Tank Davis,

617
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:06,320
you just made like forty mili against
Ryan Garcia. So and apparently the

618
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,079
offer he's thinking about making is something
in the order of like ten to fifteen

619
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:12,599
million dollars and that's very big money, of course, but Tank Davis is

620
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:15,320
in a position where he doesn't need
to take fifteen million because he can make

621
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,239
at least that or around there or
more perhaps fighting other fighters that his team

622
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,159
would control on his promotion. So
it's again we're doing kind of Probably what

623
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,880
Eddie would like people to do is
to talk about it. You know,

624
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,920
Connor benn went to see if you
can get his license in the UK.

625
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,360
They've got the hearing that's supposed to
be taking place later in the month.

626
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:37,760
We'll see how that goes. But
Connor Bennet is a popular figure in the

627
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,679
UK to some degree. He would
sell out pretty much probably wherever they put

628
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,039
him. But Tank Davis, whoever
he's fighting here in the United States,

629
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:45,679
can do a big crowd. You
know. I've made the point that if

630
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,679
you can fight Hector Luis Garcia,
a very unknown and not popular title holder

631
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,440
from a smaller weight division who didn't
really bring anything to the table in terms

632
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,840
of the promotion or financially, and
you put him in the Capital One Arena

633
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,360
in Washington, d C. Granted
only about an hour from tanks hometown in

634
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,000
Baltimore, and you can set the
all time record for an arena that's about

635
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,679
twenty years old and do the biggest
gate they've ever done for any event in

636
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,840
the history of that you were the
boxing matches concerts. I believe it broke

637
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,159
a Rolling Stones record or something like
some big rock concrat act. They did

638
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:23,000
a gate over five million dollars.
My point here is this, he doesn't

639
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,480
need connor Ben right at all.
I mean, if anyone had to offer

640
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:30,480
him like some crazy money, that's
a different story. But you know,

641
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:35,760
ten million dollars or whatever ain't getting
that done. They're they're trolling for a

642
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,599
fight for Connor Ben. They want
to get him a big fight. I'm

643
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,639
not sure why he deserves that.
He still doesn't have his ped situation squared

644
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,119
away. You know, Ottam wish
bad on the guy, but I'd like

645
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,920
to see him get a shit together
in terms of being able at least fight

646
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,440
in your own country before you start
thinking about some big, mega fight.

647
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:53,960
And let's also keep in mind another
thing. In his two fights since the

648
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,880
seventeen month layoff that came after the
positive drug test when he failed and the

649
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,159
fight would with him and you Bank
was canceled, He's fought two times in

650
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:06,880
the United States, a ten rounder
where he looked extraordinarily pedestrian against an unknown,

651
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,760
obscure, you know, nobody Mexican
opponent. And then he came back

652
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,480
and he had a twelve rounder that
took place just last week against Peter Dobson,

653
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,599
an undefeated fighter that had zero accomplishment
against any level of opposition, who

654
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,119
had already been a professional for ten
years, who had only had previously one

655
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:27,119
ten round fight. All the rest
of US fights where eight rounds or less,

656
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,280
and he couldn't put a dent in
him either in a win, but

657
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:35,159
by no means impressive. Why in
the world would anybody care to see you

658
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,719
fight Tank Davis or any other big
superstar name unless you're fighting you Bank.

659
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,199
I get that because of the history
there, or even another brit like that

660
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,880
would be William Smith or an unretiring
Kelbrook, which I don't have an interest

661
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,119
in that either, to be honest, but you know the Brits would probably

662
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:53,599
find interest in that. So that's
been in the news with Matt Troom and

663
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,920
Eddie talking about making that offer.
But you know, I believe that one

664
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,559
I see it not to offer the
fight. Yeah again, if there was

665
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:07,400
a Hall of Fame category on talking
of fights that are fighters that you don't

666
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,519
control and don't have any say so
over Eddie Hern would be in the running

667
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:13,880
for a Hall of Fame ballot.
He listening does a great job with that.

668
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:19,039
I understand, but I tremendous you
know this. I got long arms.

669
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:21,199
You met me. I got a
list as long as my as long

670
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,719
as my arm about fights he loves
to talk about making with fighters he doesn't

671
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,400
promote. So this is the same
thing again, and we've now gone for

672
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,559
five minutes about a fighter he doesn't
Just because you don't promote a guy doesn't

673
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,559
mean you can't make the attempt to
work with their team. But again,

674
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,920
the list is as long as my
arm of it never happens, and so

675
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,159
we're just sitting and talking. Timeout. Timeout. It may not have happened

676
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,880
where Mattrium has been able to make
and I'm going to defend Eddie a little

677
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,679
bit here. It may have turned
out where there's not been any kind of

678
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,920
crossover between Mattroom and PBC fights at
any time in the past, but there

679
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,559
have been collaborations either with a Mattrium
guy going on a top rank Carter Vice

680
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,559
versa. There's been collaborate rations with
Golden Boy where they've gone back and forth.

681
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:06,679
So he has definitely made fights with
other promoters likewise, those promoters with

682
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,920
him. It's not common. I
mean, just as one off example off

683
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,159
the top of my head, I
covered this fight in Texas which Junior Well

684
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:17,519
to wait unification fight. He promoted
Murice Hooker. Top Rank promoted Jose Ramirez.

685
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:21,599
They were able to make a deal. Jose Ramirez went from Top Rank

686
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,559
to go on his own to fight
that unification fight, and there was no

687
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:29,320
futures. Winner just takes his business
and goes back. It turned out that

688
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,679
Jose Ramrez won the fight and he
went back to ESPN and Murray's Hooker,

689
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,119
you know, was no longer the
title holder. And that was a fight

690
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:37,840
that was done, you know,
without a lot of drama between Top Rank

691
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,440
and mat Troom. And there's also
been times where they've done it the other

692
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,440
way around, So it does happen. That was a high snakes fight on

693
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,880
a lower scale, though not on
a mega mega pay per view, maybe

694
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,960
not mega, but you know what
they paid Jose Ramirez, the deal that

695
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,159
they got, you know, the
the package if you will, was somewhere

696
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:57,280
like four to five million dollars to
left. Jose Ramirez come fight on his

697
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,760
own. Now, granted that was
at a time when the the spigots run

698
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,320
and Dezono spend them like drunken sailors. But even still, I'm only making

699
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,039
the point that PBC, aside and
the PBC, you know, has not

700
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,639
done a tremendous amount of business with
third part. You know, with other

701
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:17,039
promoters anyway. Right, but Mattroom, top Rank, Golden Boy, Frank

702
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:22,000
Warren, you know, others,
they'll for the right situation, they definitely

703
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,840
will do some business with the other
guys. All right, nostalgia time,

704
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,239
and then we are done. It
is the thirty fourth anniversary. Now,

705
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,800
this is interesting. In the back
and forth. It was Sunday afternoon,

706
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,559
February the eleventh in Japan. It
was Saturday night, February tenth in the

707
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:44,719
United States. So you have February
eleventh on the rundown. The upset of

708
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,960
upsets. It is regarded, and
it is. It's the greatest upset in

709
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:52,159
the history of boxing, modern old
school whatever you want to say, Buster

710
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:57,599
Douglas out of nowhere putting it on
Mike Tyson. You and I, in

711
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,159
full disclosure, have done this a
couple of times we have gone over this.

712
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:05,559
You wrote extensively on your SUBSTACKT and
I love it. The people I'll

713
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,039
push them to it. Go read
where you're once again relaying that you didn't

714
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:10,400
see the fight live for the reasons
they gave. How am I doing on

715
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,599
my teas for the reasons you gave
you didn't see the fight live? And

716
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:19,000
then how you saw the fight.
It's humorous. The week later when they

717
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,800
had the replay on HBO is also
humorous. Go read it for that.

718
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:29,039
Also, you have great nostalgia,
the Rayfield collection, Bravo, on programs,

719
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:34,719
posters, autograph cards, You have
a ton around this event. So

720
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,480
I'm going to come out of a
different way for just a second. When

721
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:43,360
you reflect now on this thirty four
years later, why do you think it

722
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,880
is that we're still so interested in
this? Just the magnitude of the upset,

723
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,199
the fact that it was in a
foreign country in Japan, the fact

724
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,800
that Donald Trump would later become the
President of the United States. He was

725
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,400
bankrolling this with Donka. I mean, there's so many different aspects of this

726
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,079
that are almost not real life,
and all of it was real life.

727
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,440
So I wonder what do you reflect
on that says to you, this is

728
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,840
why we're still talking about it almost
thirty five years later. Well, there's

729
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,559
nothing to do with Trump, who
didn't bankroll this fight. He bank wrote

730
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,119
a lot of other fights that Tyson
was in that took place in Atlantic City.

731
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,320
This was a Japanese situation. He
put it up. He put up

732
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,840
significant money to help the fight get
made for the purses, because he also

733
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,599
had the DIBs on the rematch that
was supposed to start back in Atlantic City.

734
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:30,519
Right, Yeah, Because Tyson was
an indestructible fighter. He was as

735
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:35,159
close as there was to just and
I can't emphasize this enough. If you

736
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:39,159
were not around watching baking at this
time, the notion that Tyson would lose

737
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:45,159
to Bushard Douglas never even entered the
thought process of anybody. That's right.

738
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,840
This was such a perfunctory type of
fight. This was on the way to

739
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,880
fighting Evander Holyfield. This was like
I went to Japan in a previous fight

740
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:57,760
and I demolished Tony Tubbs in like
a couple of rounds, who was a

741
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,920
good fighter in his day. But
Tyson just destroyed it him. He'd been

742
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,199
knocking everybody out. He's now making
his tenth defense buster. Douglas's reputation is

743
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,360
as just that one a quitter,
frankly to be. To be honest,

744
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:16,239
he had he had quit against Tony
Tucker. There was no conceivable way that

745
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:23,400
this dude was gonna dethrone Iron.
Mike Tyson the most scary fighter that people

746
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,280
had seen in their lifetimes for a
lot of people. I know. I'm

747
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,039
I'm a college student at this time. I'd watched Tyson come up as a

748
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,280
high school student. I knew about
him probably before, not not just me,

749
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,320
but many of the people where I
lived. We knew about Mike way

750
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,039
before the national public did, because
he was fighting in the area where I

751
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:44,000
grew up. I'm from upstate New
York. I lived. You know,

752
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:47,559
he fought a lot of fights in
Troy and Schenectady and Glenn Spalls and Albany

753
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:52,760
and and and you know cat Skills
places like that. You know where he

754
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,199
was where Catscory was growing up.
Those are all in our area. It's

755
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,239
all like it was covered by the
local media, in the newspapers and on

756
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,719
the local televi And so Tyson was
already like a household name for us.

757
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,039
And he was the biggest thing in
the world. It's like Larry Merchant said

758
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:12,079
on the broadcast, something to the
effect of the fans came to see Godzilla

759
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,360
stomp out Buster Douglas and the wrong
guy was Godzilla. That that's right,

760
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,519
Buster Douglas was putting him on and
putting it on him. Now he had

761
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,639
his own story that was very uh, you know, became very well known

762
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:27,239
afterwards. He had the the death
of his mother, the medical issues that

763
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,920
were affecting the mother of his child. He had a lot of shit going

764
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,920
on in his mind. And you
know, sometimes when you're in that position,

765
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,039
you need to let that eat you
up in it and it kills your

766
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,760
performance and that you're sidetracked and you're
you're not focused, or you can use

767
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,559
those difficulties to harness that and to
be totally focused at the task of ay.

768
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,679
And he did that. And by
the way, the other reason why

769
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,679
it's a big deal too, not
only did he score the humongous upset,

770
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,320
it's a truly great fight to fight
itself. Forget about the upset element of

771
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,559
it. If you're just like a
great heavyweight fight. It was a tremendous

772
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:01,519
battle. I mean, for example, at the end of twenty eighteen,

773
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:06,440
when HBO ended its boxing coverage after
forty five years, I did a piece

774
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,760
for ESPN where I ranked the because
it was forty five years of HBO coverage,

775
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,639
and I did similar thing with Showtime
after thirty seven years. I ranked

776
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:19,800
the top forty five HBO fights in
terms of and it's not like one size

777
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,079
fits all. It was the magnitude
of the event to fight itself. It

778
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:27,920
was a lot of different criteria,
but in the end of the nearly eleven

779
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,960
hundred or twelve hundred boxing matches that
appeared on HBO in their forty five years

780
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,480
of covering the sport, I picked
as the number one fight buster Douglas's upset

781
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,800
of Mike Tyson because of the magnitude
of the historical nature of what occurred,

782
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:43,159
the action that was there, the
fact that it still resonates, you know

783
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,400
thirty thirty well at that time,
you know almost thirty years later. I

784
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,679
mean, it's the kind of fight
where if you pick some great historical thing

785
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,039
that happened, whether it's a sporting
event or anything else, if you were

786
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:59,920
around at that time, you remember
where you were and what you were doing

787
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,840
when you found out the results.
If you were not watching the fight.

788
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,000
It's sort of like if you ask
certain generation, they know where they were

789
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,159
when the Space Shuttle exploded. They
know where they were when they heard the

790
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:15,880
president John Kennedy had been assassinated.
Just things that were just earth shaking historical

791
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,599
news events. And don't get here
wrong. I'm not trying to put a

792
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,559
boxing match right right and the same
category, but keep it to sports.

793
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,480
When the US hockey team, because
we're older, when the US hockey team

794
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:28,039
won the gold medal, you remember
where you were living, what you were

795
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:30,119
doing, not the gold medal.
It wasn't the gold medal, teaj.

796
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,480
It was the semi from I'm talking
about when they won against the Russians and

797
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,480
then they won the gold medal.
You remember where you were living, You

798
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,880
remember, you know who you were
around when those when those two or three

799
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,320
days were happening, you can remember
it like it was yesterday. And it's

800
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,559
the same thing with this. Now. I will share what I've shared before,

801
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:50,679
and I'll just do it briefly.
I'm in Memphis, Tennessee. I'm

802
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,280
a college student like you are,
and where I was living, I was

803
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,920
living with my grandmother, my father's
mother. She did not have HBO and

804
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,880
we need to relate again to the
people like you did in your sub stack.

805
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,039
You have to understand this was not
available anywhere other than HBO. The

806
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:10,320
Internet peeps didn't exist. You couldn't
find it on a wild stream like you

807
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,599
find fights now if you didn't have
HBO. Oh, I got to interject.

808
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,280
Sure, the only stream that existed
was the kind that was like in

809
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:23,159
the woods, like the water the
river when you have to go to the

810
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:27,559
bathroom in the woods. In any
event, I didn't know where you were

811
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:30,679
going there. But in any in
any event, if you didn't have HBO,

812
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,519
you couldn't see it. So my
one of my good friends in college

813
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:37,920
still is one of my good friends
of this day. He and I joke

814
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:44,400
around this anniversary every time. He
is working at the ABC affiliate television station

815
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:49,440
in Memphis, Tennessee, and I
call him that evening and I said,

816
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,599
Hey, I can't see the Tyson
fight, but I want to see the

817
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:54,280
Tyson fight. Tape the Tyson fight. Why do I want to tape the

818
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,679
Tyson fight. I've told you this
before, I said, tape the Tyson

819
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,679
fight. So he sets the recorder
on the VCR and goes to work at

820
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:07,079
the TV station to work the local
newscast. I am watching that local newscast

821
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,559
because again, think about this,
folks, there's no Internet. You can't

822
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,559
get everything instantaneously on your phone,
and on that local newscast, not the

823
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:20,559
cell phones. Didn't even know some
cell phones did not exist. That's right,

824
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,480
car phone. Yes, usually it
had the big bag with the battery

825
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,119
that was the size of like the
luggage you take on an airplane. Now

826
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,400
that's the only phone you had outside
of a house phone. But in any

827
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,480
event, I'm watching the newscast that
he's helping work on, and they not

828
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,480
the sports. They come on in
the middle of the newscast before the sports,

829
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,880
and the sportscaster says, we have
breaking news from Tokyo, Japan.

830
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,920
And I know they can't see us, but I'm holding my hand up.

831
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:49,400
He is holding up the wire copy
on the air. He goes, Mike

832
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:54,280
Tyson has just been knocked out in
Tokyo, Japan in a heavyweight title fight.

833
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:59,039
We'll have more details in a few
minutes on the sportscast. And I'm

834
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:01,079
going, what, wait a minute, I'm watching this live like everybody else,

835
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:07,280
going what I don't have HBO.
So the end result is that if

836
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,599
you did not see it or tape
it that night, as you related in

837
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:14,840
the substag, you had to wait
a week but hold on to show it

838
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,280
again on the replay on HBO.
Now, this is what's in what people

839
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,760
also don't understand. Even before the
internet became the thing, it did become

840
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:29,000
a position on HBO's programming schedule where
they always replayed the boxing events. They

841
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,119
had multiple channels on cable, HBO
two, HBO, this HBO that even

842
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:37,119
the regular HBO main channel. Back
at the time that busterer Douglas knocked out

843
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,920
Mike Tyson, they never show replays
the fight's exactly if you missed the fight

844
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:45,679
live or you didn't VCR tape it. There was no DVRs. You just

845
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:49,519
didn't see the fight. So I
remember having missed the fight, and you

846
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:52,400
can read the details in it.
But I'll just say this part about it

847
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,480
is I happened. I was.
I was an avid reader of USA Today

848
00:51:55,519 --> 00:52:00,000
in those days it was the still
was a great paper for sports back then.

849
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:06,360
I remember reading, So the fight
occurs, Tyson loses by massive gargantua

850
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,679
upset, and you have to understand
also, this is front page news everywhere

851
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:13,920
in the world. This is not
the part of this is the lead off

852
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,119
of the newscast. It was,
and then the controversy with the supposed long

853
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:20,440
count. It stayed for days and
days that you couldn't get enough of this.

854
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:23,199
It was on every newscast, every
show, every magazine, every paper

855
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:27,000
that there was all around the world. You know, two weeks in a

856
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:29,280
row, it was on the front
cover of Sports Illustrated to win that matter,

857
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:31,960
the loss of Tyson with him looking
for his mouthpiece. And then a

858
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,480
week later or two weeks later or
whatever, you know, Rocky lives with

859
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,360
he lives with Douglas on the front
of it. Right. So, in

860
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,760
terms of the replay, I read
like in the Monday USA Today or maybe

861
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,599
the Tuesday USA Today, following this
Saturday night fight in Rudy Martski's very famous

862
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:51,159
TV column, there was a little
section that HBO because it was such a

863
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:54,679
monumental situation, they were going to
replay the fight and they were going to

864
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,000
hope to have interviews with Tyson and
Buster Douglas, you know, and do

865
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:02,119
like a studio wrap around the fight. So here I am like a sophomore

866
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:07,039
in college. We don't have HBO
in our dorms. In our rooms,

867
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:08,519
we got four channels. In the
student lounge, we got cable, but

868
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,400
no one's buying cable, buying HBO
for the dorm. So I'd got in

869
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,800
my car and drove home for three
hours to my mom's house where we had

870
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:22,079
HBO to watch the replay and actually
and brought some laundry. Here you did

871
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:23,039
the laundry. You said that in
the substite. Here's what we need to

872
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:28,320
share. Though. They built that
up so amazingly for the for the fact

873
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,800
that they were going to replay this
to get people to subscribe as part of

874
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,719
their business to watch it. And
then they had Mike Tyson and Buster Douglass

875
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,039
sitting there in the studio where they
had taped that with Larry Merchant, and

876
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:40,760
you're gonna talk more about Arry Merchant
in just a second. So that was

877
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,639
the replay. But just to go
back one step, I now go to

878
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:52,119
the friend's house and we watched the
VHS of that upset, knowing the outcome,

879
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,599
and it was just incredible. It's
incredible to watch the ten round fight,

880
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,280
the fact that Douglas gets knocked down
and at the time he gets knocked

881
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,880
down you're thinking, Okay, you
know when you're watching this, this Thish

882
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,920
was his opportunity. This is where
Tyson, even with the swollen eye almost

883
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,079
shut, is still gonna win the
fight here and it doesn't happen. So

884
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:15,119
it's incredible. And then that VHS
tape Rayfield got passed all around the people

885
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:17,960
in the media in Memphis friends of
mine. I don't know how I got

886
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,440
it back, but it got watched
like ten times within two days because he

887
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:27,480
had a tape of that fight.
When I went home to watch the fight

888
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:29,920
at my mother's house, because I
didn't see it live. Because then the

889
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,840
story is, I was sick that
night and I fell asleep and didn't believe

890
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,719
my roommate. When I woke up, he told me Tyson I knocked out.

891
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,199
I thought he was full of shit. And again I couldn't just turn

892
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,719
on the TV to see what happened
because there was no ESPN in my dorm

893
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,639
room. There was no CNN of
my dorm room. There was no cable

894
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,840
nothing, no no smartphone. And
I'm like laid out with one hundred and

895
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:52,239
two fever. I like literally said, I badgered my roommate so much I

896
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,960
made him go I said, you
got to prove this to me. I

897
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,760
thought he was completely full of it. He went to the student union on

898
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,159
our campus and he bought the daily
paper, which had it on the front

899
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:04,559
cover or on the sports section front
cover, a paper that I later worked

900
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,519
for, you know, when I
graduated from college. But he talked about

901
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:10,800
going home. I went home to
watch the replay I put have. I

902
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,559
made a VHS recording of the replay
and brought it back to me, brought

903
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:19,880
it back with me to college because
we had a VCR in our dorm room,

904
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,239
and and again we watched that over
again, over and over again.

905
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,719
We had a lot of guys that
call. I wentn't loan it out because

906
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,599
I was too possessive of it.
But people came to the room. They

907
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:32,159
had like appointments, like the guys
on my floor, and we had people

908
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:35,719
come in like we had a showing
at seven pm. Then I come on

909
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,360
in. No shit, I mean, we had the thing running almost like

910
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,039
on a loop for like a fucking
week. I mean it was hilarious.

911
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,000
Uh, and it was. It
was absolutely massive and anybody. I had

912
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,360
somebody on Twitter when I when I
posted some stuff about the fight that I

913
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,679
said it's the biggest upset in boxing
history. Blah blah blah. Somebody had

914
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,000
I don't know if they were fucking
me or they were just like they actually

915
00:55:54,039 --> 00:56:00,320
think they're smart. Uh Ay Ruiz
against against Anthony josh was a bigger I'm

916
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,840
gonna get the fuck out of here, not even close close. I even

917
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,480
wrote, I even wrote the words
about the upset. It is a tremendous

918
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:10,960
upset. But Anthony Joshua will will
never ever be confused with Mike Tyson.

919
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,320
And you just don't understand how indestructible
Tyson looked when this happened. All right,

920
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,000
So two or three other interesting aspects. This is fascinating for the peeps.

921
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:23,960
Go down the rabbit hole if you
want, put this in YouTube,

922
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:30,000
put ESPN SportsCenter, Tyson Douglass,
and go back and relive the people that

923
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:32,800
have put it on YouTube. A
couple people put it there where they're just

924
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,719
rolling on the aftermath of ESPN covering
this in the middle of the night Saturday

925
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:43,639
night, February tenth, C and
N two Saturday night February tenth into Sunday

926
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:49,199
morning, because it became a wild
story overnight that Don King was trying to

927
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:54,400
get the situation overturned on a long
count, and the WBC and Jose Suleiman

928
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,400
were going along with it, and
eventually the WBA was going along with it

929
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,880
in the middle of the night that
we're gonna talk about this, We're gonna

930
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,480
maybe review it, We're maybe gonna
vacate the win. So now by the

931
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,800
time you got to Sunday midday,
a bigger part of the story was they're

932
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:15,199
filing a protest, They're trying to
invalidate the victory. All I'm saying is

933
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,559
we don't you and I don't have
to rehash that over and over again.

934
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:22,400
Just go back and rewatch all the
immoral it's amazing, which was completely nonsense.

935
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,159
The first knockedout totally obliterates the second
knockout, which was not true.

936
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:30,880
And what's also fascinating in the nostalgia
is Octavio Meron and that's the referee.

937
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:36,119
He's the referee in the Nomas Sugar
Ray Leonard Roberto Durand fight. He's the

938
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:42,159
referee in this fight in Japan.
It's further fascinating that Meran Tyson, Douglas,

939
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,199
Don King, Donald Trump, and
even Larry Merchant Happy Birthday, Larry

940
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,679
Merchant this weekend. They're all still
alive. They're all still alive and around

941
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,880
thirty four years later. It's incredible. And I know you spoke with Larry

942
00:57:54,920 --> 00:58:00,280
Merchant here this weekend as well for
his birthday and about out what I mean,

943
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,440
what I mean very Larry Merchant's birthday
is February eleventh. He turned ninety

944
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,199
three, my dear friend, and
he has told me the story in the

945
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:09,960
past, and we've talked, you
know, many times over the years that

946
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,599
he had his birthday. He turned
fifty nine years old on the day that

947
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:16,960
he called the Tyson Douglas Fight,
and he talked about how in the morning

948
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,760
he had gone down to the fish
market and he talks about that on the

949
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,119
broadcast and what he saw. So
I always know that when it's Tyson Douglas

950
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:27,840
anniversary day, that it's also Larry
Merchant's birthday. So on Sunday, before

951
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,880
we taped the show a couple hours
ago, I called Larry on his birthday

952
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,519
to wish mappy birthday and say Elosi
I he was doing. He was getting

953
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:36,639
ready to have a small little birthday
gathering with some of with his wife and

954
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:39,519
his son in law and his daughter
and grandkids. The whole thing and enjoy

955
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:43,440
a little bit of you know,
of a little family time and celebrates a

956
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,159
big birthday ninety three. But he
has vivid memories about that fight. I

957
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:50,400
mean, obviously it is I mean
tremendous. He also, by the way,

958
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,639
I will say this on an unrelated
matter. You know, we did

959
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:55,199
talk a little bit, a little
bit about the other fights that been going

960
00:58:55,239 --> 00:59:00,760
on besides the birthday wishes and how
he's been doing. He did make mention

961
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,320
to me that, you know,
Larry definitely still keeps up with the fights,

962
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:07,400
watching all the stuff he can watch
his own ESPN whatever. He made

963
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,639
a specific mention that he had watched
the fight from a few weeks ago with

964
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:14,639
Cha Course Stevenson against Edwin de los
Santos. He also had, as he

965
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:17,840
said, the misfortune of watching the
T the Lopez Jamaine Ortiz fight, And

966
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,599
as he said, you know that
he's watched a lot of fights in his

967
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:24,079
life. By the way, and
by the way, those were two of

968
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:29,079
the worst fights I've ever seen.
He was really really disappointed in those fights

969
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,119
because he likes Sha Koran and the
T THEMO and they just did not perform.

970
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:37,119
And by the way, you did
interview Jim Lampley last fall, and

971
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:38,920
I still remember this. Go back
and search our podcast feed and you can

972
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,519
hear Dan with Jim Lampley. Put
Jim Lampley's name in on the podcast feed.

973
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:47,760
Apple Podcasts spreakers spotify that conversation.
I'll just say this, he had

974
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:55,960
a great remembrance with you of throughout
the upset going on, he kept reminding

975
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,840
himself what one of his mentors in
the business said, which is, don't

976
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:06,519
overstate. Don't overstate. And his
knockout call for all time is not yelling

977
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:09,760
and screaming. It is just simply
Mike Tyson has been knocked out, and

978
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,239
it stands the test of time.
Right before that, in that moment,

979
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,559
you know, oh what an uppercut, down goes Tyson. But the thing

980
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:21,480
also about that, about the about
the way that that unfolded in the story

981
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:23,119
that I wrote, I have I've
interviewed people over the years about this fight

982
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:29,440
for different things. I've written pieces
for ESPN and have interviewed Tyson about it.

983
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:31,079
And so I've got some quotes in
there from Mike about his thoughts on

984
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:36,280
the match and he's rewatching and why
there was never a rematch spoke to people

985
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,639
like the great boxing writer now a
Hall of Famer, Ron Borgis, who

986
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:43,079
I've covered zillions of fights with that
ringside, who is one of the handful

987
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:45,559
of American media that actually made the
trip from the United States to Japan to

988
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:51,760
fight to cover the fight, Rick
Bernstein, who is the longtime executive producer

989
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,039
for HBO Sports, who on that
night was the assistant director in the production

990
01:00:54,079 --> 01:01:00,400
truck. So in that piece has
memories of from those two guys about what

991
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,920
it was like to be there for
the fight, and the stuff from Tyson

992
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,320
who he told me it's it is
one of those fights that they've made documentaries

993
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,079
about and they'll talk about forever,
like we're doing here even though it's not

994
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:14,880
like the its just the anniversary,
but it's You cannot again, it cannot

995
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:20,039
overestimate under whatever it is, cannot
overstate how big of a deal this was.

996
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:22,920
This was not just a normal sports
story. This is a worldwide Internatolois,

997
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:29,800
this was the biggest story in sports
for days, bigger than anything else

998
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,159
Inja. Was the biggest story in
the world. It didn't matter that it

999
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:37,000
was sports for a couple of days, this was the biggest story on the

1000
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,559
planet. That big a deal,
and I don't want to accept that it

1001
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:44,440
was thirty four years ago, but
it was again Buster Douglas still living.

1002
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,360
They never fought again. Douglas lost
the title immediately to Evander Holyfield. Mike

1003
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,639
Tyson went to prison two years to
the day, almost to the hour.

1004
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:59,239
He got convicted of rape in Indiana
two years later in nineteen ninety two,

1005
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:01,920
and the world was different forever in
his world and in Buster Douglas's world,

1006
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,000
they were never going to fight again, all right, So great nostalgia on

1007
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:09,519
that. One more piece of nostalgia, and we are done on this episode,

1008
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:12,639
and it has to do with Oscar
de la Hoya. You did make

1009
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:19,280
mention of this fight with i Quarte
twenty five years ago now February thirteenth,

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coming on Tuesday, nineteen ninety nine, as he retained his welterweight championship again.

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You went down the long list for
Oscar de la Hoya's birthday of tremendous

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fights, tremendous fighters, and this
was a wild fight where Dale Hooya had

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to rally late in it. So
more nostalgia, please on the twenty fifth

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anniversary of that one real quick,
Well, I'm struggling with the fact that

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it's twenty five years. That's like
a you know, that's a pretty milestone

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kind of number. That makes me
feel awfully old. But when Oscar del

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Hoya got to welterweight, they turned
him loose. I mean they protect I

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mean everybody. You know, the
people that were matching his career, they'll

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be the first to admit there were
some protection going on. You know,

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when he was a junior lightweight,
a lightweight, even junior welterweight, you

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know, he didn't fight like the
best guys necessarily at that moment. He

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thought a lot of good fighters.
I'm not taking anything away from him.

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But when he got to welter and
he defeated Prenol Whittaker, a'llbeit a close

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call. At that point, they
figured, you know, he's at a

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stage of the game where, in
terms of the combination of his marketability as

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well as his ability in the ring, we don't have to worry about anything.

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We can match him with whoever.
And ike Quarte was a tough sob.

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I mean, this guy could fight
with anybody. He had a monstrous

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jab, I mean, one of
the heaviest jabs in the business. They

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called him Bazouka Quarte because the jab
was so devastating. It was really a

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power punch. So you know,
Oscar had made several defenses after the Whitaker

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fight. He had beaten guys like
Camacho and Camal be solid guys, Wlfredo

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Rivera in a good, solid fight, had the ship mandatory against Patrick Sharpentier.

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We destroyed. Thought the rematch against
Chavez made him quit in that fight.

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Oscar's on top of the world.
He's like the number one attraction.

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A lot of people had him pound
for pound. Don't forget how underrated or

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how great Oscar was at that time, and he kind of is underrated this

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stage of the game, and they
were looking for another big fight for him

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at the time, like Quarte was
the WBA welterweight champion, he had been

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brought along by HBO. He was
being co promoted by Main Events, who

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had taken him on from the French
promoters the Aacare's Brothers, where he had

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made some noise in France, even
though he's from Africa, but he had

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been fighting out of France. He
was on HBO a few times. He

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was clearly being built up to be
a potential opponent you know, whoever was

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going to emerge, whether it was
De la Hoya, if Trinidad would come

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to HBO, it was on showtime
at the time, it would be against

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Oscar, and they made the fight. Now, Quarte ended up vacating the

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title because they just there was lots
of politics thing. So by all rights,

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Quarte versus Oscar should have been a
unification fight. This is February of

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nineteen ninety nine at the Thomas and
Maxenter in Las Vegas, and it was

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a big time pay per view fight, and there was genuine concern that Oscar

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was taken on way too much at
this stage, that he was in over

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his head, that this was not
a good match room, that he was

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finally going to be he found out
and those who were you know, calling

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him a fake and a pretender and
you know, cherry picking his opponents and

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blah blah blah. They were supposed
to get their come up and and and

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uh, you know, and uh
and Ike was gonna win this fight.

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Well that's why they fight the fights. First of all, it was a

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heck of a fight. Maybe not
the classic all time fight of the year,

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but it was a really you know, dramatic kind of fight at times.

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Oscar got knocked down in round six. Yes, Orta got knocked down

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in round six. H the fight
was that kind of fight, and well,

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I thought Oscar, you know,
had the fight in hand and was

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going to win. You know,
you're not quite sure because it's close.

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You know, it's it's a close
fight. And if you had any doubt

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about who the winner was, I
think Oscar clearly put that to bed in

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round twelve because he knocked Quarte down
again and he had the classic moment where

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you know, you can listen to
the great call. We talked about Jim

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Lanthley's great calls before. This was
another one where he's got Quarte on the

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ropes. Mitch Halpern, the late
Great Mitch Halpern, was the referee that

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night. Was like literally maybe a
split second away from stopping the fight,

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and Lampley's going crazy. It's like
Leonard Hearns all over again. If you

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remember from their first fight, Tom, He's laying on the ropes in the

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fourteenth round and Ray is teen off
on him. This was the same thing

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where Oscar has got him laying on
the ropes in a round twelve, he's

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teen off on him, he's maybe
one shot away. Ref let it go,

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and I thought he made the right
decision, and Oscar was not able

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to put him out obviously, you
know, he had punched himself out a

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little bit and the rest of the
round maybe I forget how much time was

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up. There might have been a
minute left to go or so in the

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fight. But Oscar, you know, after exchanging knockdowns and showing the greatest

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grit and toughness he had shown yet
in a professional fight against his most dangerous,

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strongest, physically stronger opponent, a
champion in his own right, even

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though he'd been stripped who was undefeated, he showed the medal in round twelve.

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You know, we all we all
remember that Oscar kind of let it

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go when he didn't fight their twelfth
round against Felix Trinidad, that's right,

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and really went on his bike.
Now eleventh or the twelfth round he cost

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himself, yeah, one hundred percent, But in this fight it was the

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opposite. He bit down and he
went after it in in this particular matchup,

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and it was, uh, you
know, made for a classic ending

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for that battle. And you know, this was Oscar when he was in

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his peak, because he's fighting all
the top guys. You know, he's

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he's now on top in terms,
like I said, commercially, he's on

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top. You know, he's undefeated
at this time and he's fighting all the

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top guys. I mean when you
take a look and people always want to

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say, well, you know Oscar
he lost his biggest fights. Well,

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no, he lost some big fights. Yeah, we lost to Floyd and

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he got beat up by Packet on
his last he got stopped by Hopkins at

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middleweight and all that. But you
can't take away the fact that he beat

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guys like Coaronel Whittaker. Yeah,
it was close, but he beat him

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twice, beat Quarte and in a
classic kind of confrontation. Look, I

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courtey was pretty four oho to one
at that time and was destroying guys.

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Uh So, yeah, Oscar's got
some rough losses, but he also beat

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him and he beat Fernando Vargas.
But the Court fight in my mind anyway,

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maybe others might disagree. He has
big wins against Chavez and obviously beat

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Whittaker, but that was kind of
like a dance as a post war real

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fight. The fight with Porte Oscar
for the first time, I feel like

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in his career, even though he
had scored some quality wins, particularly at

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lightweight, but in terms of moving
up and fighting a very formidable, bona

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fide killer who really had a great
chance to win the fight, that was

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a dangerous, dangerous fight. This
was like when Pnelo decided he would say

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fine and he fought guys like that. His team didn't really wanted to fight

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the Austin Trouts and the Laras and
people like that. This was Oscar who

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his mentality was the following they would
meet with the polks at top rank who

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was this promoter, and they'd sit
around the table and they would talk about

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what his next fight was going to
be. And Oscar was like a businessman

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from that standpoint. He's like,
which fight's gonna pay me the most money?

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Right? And they said at this
point Forte might be the guy.

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He's like, let's do the fight. There was no cherry picking, there

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was no bullshit. There was like, this's a big fight, let's do

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it. And Oscar fought him and
he showed great toughness and he had a

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great victory that night. And it
was twenty five years ago. Big thank

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you, and as you shared and
as we talked about fifty one years old.

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Just had his fifty first birthday,
So happy birthday Oscar this month and

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what a great anniversary. On that
listen. We've given you a lot here

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on this podcast in the recap mode, as well as some news and as

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well as some nostalgia. We're gonna
circle back later this week to a shaky

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Foster defending his title with one of
your guys, Abraham super Nova. That'll

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be on the preview pod later in
the week. For now, though,

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I think we've got it all covered
again. They need to read you on

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your substack for everything that's going on
social media as well, and stay engaged

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with this podcast for you for all
of it anything else here mister Ray and

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they were good. I'm I'm good. I'm all talked out today, I

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know, but we had a ton
there and again there's so much. Go

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read dan substack for everything about the
Tyson Douglas and the memorabilia, and go

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check it out on YouTube as well. As I joked with you, CNN

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are standing there talking to Buster Douglas
in the tunnel after everybody's out of the

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ring and after HBO is off the
air, and suddenly Joe thisman, the

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legendary Washington Redskins quarterback, is standing
there in one of the post fight interviews

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on ESPN Live to Tape. It's
just tremendous down the rabbit hole. They're

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standing there talking to Evander Holyfield,
who just lost arguably a ten million dollar

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pay day, and he has a
look like somebody just stole Christmas morning right

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out from under me. It is
great to go in the nostalgia and go

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look at that. We cannot talk
about it enough, can't cover it all

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here, but go watch it on
YouTube. It's amazing to go relift that.

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Dan Rayfield, have a great week. Thank you for the time here.

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My friend, Hi, my man, I'll talk to you. Have

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