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All right, guys, it's Friday, Prior's Day, and we're gonna get

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the open mic started in a few
minutes. It's uh just about two and

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a half minutes past eight pm Eastern
here in what we used to call America

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America. Let me mute that problematic
thing there, and you, guys,

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we're gonna be live shortly taking your
calls at three p one nine five two

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seven five zero one six. But
before that, how about we just let

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one track play all the way through
on ohelly dot com. It's by Serrus

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Minor and it's called You're Kidding Me? And I think I'm gonna be saying

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that as soon as we're done with
the show tonight. But let's see,

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let's hold out good hope and all
that stuff o'helly dot com. The Friday

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Night open Mic begins, and it'll
be followed by the Age of Transitions and

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Uncle the Brook, my Grandma,
my gosh. I have tasked to go

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to college, but smoke the derby. If I never stuff that thing,

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we I be do it well.
You will be a shift within your dime

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as a g double well, more
and more people putting down more. We

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got dity from manderstand it's getting down? Well, why not lie? Come

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now, I nave because no one
ever died from smoking we he you're kidding

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me, you're kidding me? Yeah, yeah, you're kidding me. Well,

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when they found out that it wouldn't
ur job, they had to find

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another way to drink, and the
beast thing that could come up a way

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faces it's a gay way drug and
leads to other substances. You're kidding me,

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Your kidd me? Yeah? Your
kidding me? Well, more and

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more people putting down movie got did
we for madness? Dan is chatting around?

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Well, what are the lie?
Noum not? Might be because no

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one ever died from smoking weed?
Your hair? Are your kidding means?

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Are your kidding me? Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, you're kidding me.

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Rest mother was considered a majority had
life, the authority to five people like

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you and me. You're kidding means? Are your kidding me? Yeah?

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Yeah? Yeah? Are you kidding
me? Well? More more people footed

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down, but we got that prefer
that the sand. It's getting around?

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Well, what offline, darling?
Now my b because no one ever died

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from smoking wet? You're kidding me? Are your kidding me? Yea yeah

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yeah, you're kidding me? Are
your kidding me? You? Chilly effect

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America. So I'm on the East
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for me, whatever time it is
for you. You could let me know

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what time it is by joining in
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That's the number to call or reach
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on Skype. Normally I have a
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but he had work obligations and could
not make it this evening. So

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it is what it is. It
was what it was, and it's gonna

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be what is gonna be. So
uh yeah, you can join me if

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you want and be Pete's not here
tonight. But I do have an idea

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that there might be a couple of
other callers that are going to join and

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drop in some interesting information as we
go. Could we look at the news

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this week? Are we gonna get
bogged down in nothing but politics? Are

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we gonna talk about who died?
What movie came out? Uh? Does

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somebody want to give a sports update? Good God? Am I gonna go

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to sleep all the way up to
ten pm when Uncle starts? Oh wait,

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uncle starts at eleven pm Eastern.
Aaron's the Age of Transitions begins at

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ten pm Eastern, and I do
believe he's got Alex I'm sorry with him

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again this week. So there you
go, the Age of Transition will cut

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me off at ten pm no matter
what's going on here, and hopefully you

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will be the thing that's going on
you listening. If you're hearing us live

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just around ten minutes after eight pm
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four. If not, you're hearing
us, you know ya a podcast.

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Like I said, you need a
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three one nine five two seven five
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seven five zero one six. Now
I think I've given out the number enough.

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I think I've given the opportunity enough, and I've got our first caller

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already, so more hopefully to follow. Anyway, let's get straight to them

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before I get to any of my
thoughts for this week. Uh, you

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know, the ongoing battles in court
with whoever and whatever for whatever, the

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selection process as it's chub chug chugging
along, the fun and games that's being

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played, the warnings now so that
Iran is set to attack us allegedly,

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there may be other things going on. The mainstream media is telling us that

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Russia is about ready to start playing
with our selection process again. That's what

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they're saying at least, is this
going on, What is the purpose of

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it? You know what, I
don't even seek the truth on these things

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anymore at this point, I just
want to know why they're saying what they're

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saying, instead of if it's even
true anymore, because truth, forget it,

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it's out the window. It's all
subjective. Everybody's got their own.

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It doesn't really seem to matter anymore. What is real, what actually has

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evidence, what makes sense? It's
about how you feel about it, right.

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If you think it's okay, then
it's okay, and if not,

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it's not. And you know you
can back your favorite criminal for whatever it

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is you want. That's the way
that goes. I mean, you know,

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you like the old man that seems
to be totally out of it?

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Is he playing everybody? And really? Is he totally cognitively aware while he

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looks like he lost keys about last
week? I mean, is that possible?

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I saw a very interesting post from
Murray Sabran, who's been on this

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show, Jack Blood Show. He's
a libertarian thinker, the only guy to

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ever run for governor on the ticket
officially a New Jersey under the Libertarian Party.

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Murray Sabran put out an article this
week saying that Jill and Joe Biden

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are about to do a simultaneous well
they used to call it a sex change,

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but simultaneous gender reassignment. They said, yeah, so Jill is going

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to become Jack and Joe is maybe
going to be Josephine. I forget what

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name they said that she was going
to be. And Kamal has pissed.

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I guess she didn't get time to
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know. I don't know. It's
a weird article. Maybe I'll read from

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that, maybe we'll read this from
some other news. But it's not about

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all that tonight. It's not a
about what I think or what's crazy or

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not. Well, maybe it is, because we'll find out from you guys.

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First call her up, and I
do recognize him as the great Jimmy

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James. So, Jimmy, you're
first out of the gate. And uh

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hey, I didn't even really give
my thoughts. I just filled time for

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a moment and gave options. But
you'll get to drop the first thought,

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the first real part of the conversation
tonight. What's up? Oh okay,

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now we're gonna have this problem tonight. I see Jimmy you were on the

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line. Now you're gone. I
don't know what happened, but anybody else

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who wants to join in three one
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one six you know that happened last
night with David Mantick. I started a

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whole broadcast, did an introduction,
you know, did my uh, sometimes

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painfully too long intro, and I
thought I did a really kind and nice

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intro for David Mantick so he could
talk about his latest book, The Final

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Analysis, which he co wrote with
your own COURSEI and I didn't even,

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you know, put my negativity out
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highly of at this point in time. And yet I had everything tested,

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ready to roll. He's on Skype. I'm looking at him, even though

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I don't need a video of him, I'm looking at him, and he's

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making no noise all of a sudden, even though we had tested and pre

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called and all that, and yeah, he just suddenly had no sound.

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So I went to what I thought
was going to be a commercial break,

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and it took me a full forty
five minutes to get David Mantick on the

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air last night. So I did
an hour and a half with Mantick plus

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the forty five minutes I wasted trying
to get a sound live last night.

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But the same thing happened has just
happened now with Jimmy James, where I

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went right to the caller and you
know, I go hit the button,

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I'm all set to go and poof, no sound. Nobody's home. Anyway.

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It looks like Jimmy might have called
back in, so I'm gonna get

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right to him. But you could
listen to us as well and join in.

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And if you call in, you
should hear the show as it's being

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broadcast, and you'll be automatically on
hold and I'll get right to you as

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soon as I can. Three one
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that's the magic number to call in
and join this conversation tonight without my co

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host b Pete. Anyways, I
think I got Jimmy again, So let's

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try Jimmy James. You get to
lead off the conversation for real again.

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Uh you know? Second? Take
two? Take two? Brother? What's

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up? Can you hear me now? I can? You were gone last

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time I went to the phone.
Yeah, this line has been ton of

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lock. I'm sorry, man,
I do pay the bill. I mean,

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you know, if I don't pay
him in the phone, don't work.

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I get it. But they I
just paid. Wait a minute,

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no, I'm about to pay that
bill again. But I know they're paid

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up the date, so it should
work. Just mine. I got one

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hundred lines. What's up? So
it's on your mind tonight? Well the

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week that was on on Charlie.
So what about the Hancock interview? Did

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that ever happen? Oh, Larry, Yeah, I actually the podcast went

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out today from Wednesday, so you
know, I mean, I'm about a

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day behind where I should be.
But and David Mantick will go out late

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tonight or early tomorrow. But yeah, I mean I had Hancock on on

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on Wednesday. We talked about his
conference coming up for his UAP stuff right

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with that organization, that academic organization
which they just had another paper peer reviewed,

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the SCU there and all that,
And that's what I talked to him

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about on Wednesday. On Thursday,
I talked to mantic about his latest book,

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which he co wrote with your own
course, called The Final Analysis.

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Now, when Hancock was supposed to
come on, I didn't hear it live.

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You did not hear him live on
the street right. Well, he

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went out live. I don't know
why you didn't hear it, but he

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went out live. I recorded it. I have it. There was no

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problems. I had problems getting Mantak
on last night, though. I went

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live about fifteen minutes late because he
you know, at first there was a

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little difficulty and I thought everything was
all set and I did a long,

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nice intro and then I said,
so, doctor Mantick, how are you

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tonight? And there was nothing there. He was still there, but there

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was no sound all of a sudden, So I went to a break.

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That one I heard, Yeah,
that one I heard live, and I

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in between when he had technical difficulties, I heard the bit about when you

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were on the Blaze. I didn't
you know around that channel? Oh yeah,

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I was on Yeah, it's Glenn
Beck's network, and I was on

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with Pat Gray in the morning.
I had to get up early in the

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morning for that one. But that
was on YouTube. It's yeh, it's

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on YouTube now. Afterwards, I
who's Pat Gray again? Is he just

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like a commentator guy there or what
he does the morning show on on Blaze

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TV? I mean, is he
know him outside of that? I mean,

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I I've never heard of him.
That's why that's just curious. Well,

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I don't know a lot about him, but you know what, we

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could do a quick cursory look up. I know he's been around a while.

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And uh, you know, when
when I sort of made a little

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joke about it, Wow, man, I can't believe you guys are this

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lively at seven in the morning,
he kind of shot back at me a

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little little dig. Well, you
know, when you're getting when you do

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this for a living, you gotta
do what you gotta do, you know.

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I'm like, Okay, I get
it. You're the pro, so

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of course you're lively at seven am. All right, Well here I am

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the lowly amateur. How you doing, pat? You know, because they

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had this betting pool going regarding the
worst president of all time, which they

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were talking about before they put me
on, and I found their brackets interesting.

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They're doing like a you know,
like a final what do they call

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that the sweet sixteen in basketball where
you see the brackets and then they come

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down. It's really important about who
makes it to the center bracket, you

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know, in the big playoffs.
They're doing this for the worst presidents of

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all time. And my vote was
for Woodrow Wilson on there because just you

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know Jersey, so why not.
But they had, you know, I

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think Barack Obama versus Jimmy Carter.
I got to check their bracket. I'm

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not sure where they were at,
but they were talking about it, and

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I thought, I'd say, Biden's
already won that title. Jimmy Carter can

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go to the after life contact he's
lost that title. Well, see,

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that's exactly the point Pat Gray's producer
was making on that show. I think,

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if I remember, I think it's
the producer. I'm a little mixed

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up as to who was too.
There were three guys on there. But

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let's look up Pat Gray though and
see who who who he is outside of

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being the regular morning guy on you
know, on what's his name's TV platform

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there, Pat Gray, Let's see
TV yost. But it was it was

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a weird surprise, Like I didn't
think I would make it on the Glenn

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Becks network, you know so,
but they invited me. It's not like

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I was listening for it and they
wanted they wanted as much information as they

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could get out of me. I
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on JFK and turned out that I
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know, they had lots and lots
of questions, and did my best with

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him. So anyways, let's take
a look at what he's got here.

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Well, it looks like he was
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you know, not a not a
big not a big, huge name,

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I guess. But Pat Gray Unleashed
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I guess. Looks like the podcast
series, according to IMDb, might have

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begun in twenty seventeen, so it's
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know. I'm just you know,
skimming the information here. Interesting. Guy's

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got a nice, you know,
one of those good, strong, solid,

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big voices, you know what I
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I found it interesting hearing this stuff
in between the show that you taped.

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Oh what was going on in between? What did I do? Oh?

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Yeah, right, was telling you? Yeah, yeah, he's really interested

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in this part, this part,
So go at the that part. Oh

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yeah, yeah, Well what it
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segment, and I just recorded the
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know, waiting through the commercials,
and I thought it was really interesting.

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The guy who was like, you
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me, hey, you know,
get ready for this, and that.

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I thought it was hilarious because he
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and then they would never get to
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you know, they would they would
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all right, well I was prepared
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so I kind of was just trying
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they asked for, they went in
different directions, so that I had to

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be like ready for everything, you
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Oh was it their opening question?
Yes, a lot of people died,

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a lot of people were murdered.
Afterwards, tell us about that.

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Yeah, well, well that was
the last segment. That's why if you

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watch the whole thing, that's not
where they started, because they started with

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well, just you know, let's
talk about what happened that day because they're

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in Dallas, uh, and so
they were like, you know, just

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a mile or two from here,
you know, here it is. And

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I was like, well, gee, guys, I wish you would have

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been around for November because it would
have made more sense since your local you

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could have come down and done Blaze
TV coverage at the Lancer conference. You

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know, but okay, let me
let me ask you this. Have you

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noticed that, okay, now that
the guy that took over for uh oh

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whatever, the new the new darling
of the podcasts the eight o'clock slid on

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Fox. The new guy is Jesse
Water or something. Jesse was doing a

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JFK minute all the time. Yes, mm hmm. Well, when I

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was younger, Jimmy, it seemed
to me like people that were concerned about

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the JFK assassination and want of the
truth and we're into the investigations and so

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on, it seemed to me like
most of them would count themselves among the

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left when I was very young,
right. And at a certain point it

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changed and it seemed like it was
more of a right wing concern as to

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the truth because the right wing was
starting to accentuate the point that the government

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lies to you a lot. You
know, I think it's about who wants

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to make the point about government lying
to you. Whoever that is picks up

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the JFK assassination. If their politics
lead them to want to continuously make that

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point, then they pick up the
JFK assassination. Go look at this because

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it makes sense. I mean,
there were so many pieces and cover ups

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and misdirections, and I mean literally
at certain points, seems like the CIA

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was funding the publishing of mentor books
and counter films and all kinds of fun

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stuff, you know, where it's
it's weird. It's like, you know,

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suddenly money shows up through weird sell
organizations to pay people a million dollars

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to write a JFK book, which
you know, your average JFK author will

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tell you these books are not million
dollars million dollar money makers. Okay.

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You know, Jim Douglas, who
had one of the best selling books ever,

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didn't make that much money even though
it was through a major publisher after

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he released it through the small one
and all that. These guys it's not

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a huge money maker, unlike what
they used to say about us, you

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know, which is, oh,
you guys are in this to make money,

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which is hilarious because anybody, Yeah, the only people that make money

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are the ones they're being paid by
the government to make Pro Warrant Commission books.

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Well, right, you know,
Vince Boogliosi got a million dollars just

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to start work on his book,
right. Uh, some of these other

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guys get you know, the million
dollar contract. I mean Posner, I

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remember his contract details were out there
and then disappeared. I forget what it

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was. But he had a nice
advance and you know, and his his

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book was completed really quickly. Jimmy. Yeah, Now there's a weird guy.

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I could swear. I just listened
to a podcast series that was excellent

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and the Vatican goings on in the
late seventies and early eighties, and I'm

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pretty sure it was him, and
it was just full of conspiracy, this,

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that and the other thing. And
I'm like, Okay, how is

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this the same guy? Gerald Posner? Yeah, yeah, oh you got

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it. You gotta send me a
link to that. Yeah, you got

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to send me a link to that, because I've never heard that. Yeah,

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google it for me, but I
want to make sure it is Gerald

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Posmal because his name was definitely Posmal. Yeah, because something was wild ago.

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I'll tell you if that's true.
I got something to talk about then,

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because that's really bizarre. So Gerald
Posner podcast from when I would say

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a few years ago, and that
was on the Vatican and honestly, it's

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a no holds bar he's talking about
Pops getting killed with ours and he's talking

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about the bank and scandals. It
was excellent. Wow, like crap,

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how canst be the same guy?
Yeah, that doesn't sound right because you

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know Gerald Posner every time he arrives
anywhere to make a comment about this,

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what his usual stance is is that, you know, people want to believe

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in a conspiracy. And why do
they want to believe in a conspiracy because

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they don't want to believe that the
great man JFK was struck down by the

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loser Oswald. And that's like his
go to that's his mantra. Now,

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I am not seeing anything that looks
like that with Gerald Posner connected to it.

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Matter of fact, all I see
is anti stuff. There's this YouTube

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video that apparently okay, this is
about the document release and yeah, here

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he goes. He comes out and
basically says, look, nothing to see

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here, folks. Uh, you
know, and I put in Vatican into

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the search. I'm not seeing that
stuff, Jimmy. Tell you what,

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though, I would love for you
to find it for me and send me

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a uh yeah, please send me
a link to anything you can find on

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it, because that's that's crazy.
Sounding to me. I got another caller.

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I'm gonna take that caller, but
I'll come back to you, Jim,

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all right, So, but but
see if you can find that podcast.

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If you got another device nearby,
three go. I did find one

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article, and I'm gonna paste it
in the chat room. Yeah, what's

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color? Sorry? Yeah, excellent, good. Put that in the chat

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room and we'll get back around to
you. I I'd love to see that.

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I mean, I'm seeing this thing
with Mark Zaid and a bunch of

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things. Just doing a quick search
on Posner. But positor supporting like Vatican

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conspiracy. That would be wild as
hell. I'd love to hear that.

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That would be hilarious. But I
suspect it's probably not Gerald Posner, or

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if it is a Jerald Posner,
it's not the same Gerald Posner that wound

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up, by the way, getting
defended in court by Mark Lane of all

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people, when he had his problems
with his plagiarism case. I think.

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Anyways, I got another caller and
appears as though they're from well their phone

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is from Tennessee, but I don't
know who it is. So anyway,

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you're live on the Friday night open
Mic. How you doing a good,

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good evening. What's up body?
Hey? How you doing? Man?

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Do I know who this is?
Do I know who this is? I'm

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way out in the country, so
there's gonna be a little bit of elect

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live we have in the country.
I'm calling over watch side things, so

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we'll have to try not to step
on one another with this delay. Ah

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okay, yeah, try not to
move around too much either. Your signals

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a little shaky. But I do
believe I have Doug Campbell with me.

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Is that correct? That is correct? Sir? Ah okay, Doug.

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You know I don't have be Pete
with me tonight. He ended up last

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minute not being able to come.
So it's just me and the callers tonight,

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my friend, and you're one of
them. Uh So you had something

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in mind though that I found interesting
that you communicated to me off air.

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So I'd love to just kind of
give the floridia for a couple of minutes

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here and let you begin with a
uh you know again, audience, be

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prepared for this one. A topic
of conversation, perhaps a conspiracy theory,

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indeed, that Doug might be interested
in that is not ready not the JFK

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assassination. Is that correct, Doug. Well, you you piqued my interest.

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I was. I was going down
the road listening to listening to I

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think you you upload the shows a
couple of days late at you know,

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yep, and I heard you guys
talking about this puffy puffy thing, right,

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And I heard you mentioned the Biggie
Small's murder. You asked the Pete,

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well, we don't really have a
definite thing on that. And I

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was like, oh wow, finally
somebody I could maybe talk to about this

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because I went down this whole rabbit
hole like here a while back, you

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know, the Biggie and Tupac murders. And he just prefaced. I was

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actually talking to Rob Clark today and
I told him that what I do,

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And it's kind of an inside joke, but you will understand when I I

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wanted to know, first of all, joke that every bit of melage on

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this subject, I have a bachelor's
degree from YouTube University on to Tupac can

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be Okay, all right, that's
impressive. I'm with you that. Listen,

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these are qualifications that I do not
possess, uh, you know,

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and I am always eager to learn
new things. I mean, I've got

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my views on both of these murderers. But yeah, go ahead. I

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was just watching a bunch of YouTube
videos to maybe some of the people that

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I might complain about in the JFK
research community when it comes to the Bigie

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and Tupac thing. I am those
people. But let me say it's interesting

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as hell, you know, the
whole thing. So, and I told

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me and Rob were talking today and
I said, well, look, I've

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got like the YouTube university degree,
and I've read two whole books on the

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subject. And I said, well, if I actually go on a podcast

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and speak on it, because that's
oh, we might have lost Doug.

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No, no, you you you
were gone. You were gone there for

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me? Your signal drops? Sorry
go ahead, we didn't. You said,

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you know, if I go on
a podcast and speak about this,

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and then you were gone? Sorry, go ahead? Did that makes me

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in it? Right? I'll tell
you, man, your signals breaking up?

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Ah, this sucks. Your signals
breaking up? Doug? Can you

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hear me? Yeah? I can
hear you? Fine, Wow, okay,

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but your signal is really bad.
So I'm sorry. Go ahead,

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try again. You want to see
where I live? Hey, what about

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now? Is that better? That's
a little better. Go ahead. I

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mean it's in and out, so
you know it's it's weird. I mean

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I live in making, so it's
not you know, I'm not I'm near

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civilization allegedly, so uh, you
know, I understand, but but give

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it a shot. Okay, you
can hear me. Well, when the

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signals better, we'll do skype for
something. But uh, you know,

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I Uh, as far as the
Biggie thing, I think we do have

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a definitive answer. He was murdered. I believe he was not not the

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crooked cop theory, but that it
was a con and uh it was a

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mob piru gang banger named Fows that
was known as Poo and uh the evidence

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that uh that the but the goat
you know, between Shug and this gang

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banger is pretty com and you should
look into it. Check that out.

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Okay, Doug, I'm putting you
on hold for a minute because I'm sorry,

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but you're you're so broken up.
We heard like biggie Shug and gang

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banger and we didn't hear the rest
of the sentence. So I don't know

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what to do. But you're your
signals, rough man. If you could

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figure out a way to stabilize that
or something. Let me know, or

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I'll come back to you in a
little bit. Maybe you can fix it

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on the line, because I want
to hear what you have to say.

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I'm missing half of what you're saying
because it's going but you're doing that a

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lot, so I'm sorry. Man. You said you could hear me,

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fine, but we are not hearing
you fine. And I know the listeners

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are like, what the hell is
Doug talking about? But he's talking about

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the Biggie and Tupac murder. You
might have gotten that part of it,

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but the details have been all scrambled. So let's see if you can take

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a couple of minutes and find your
way to a better signal somew because we're

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not hearing it. I gotta hear
this, you know, and I'd love

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to hear it. I'd love to
hear anything new on this. Quite honestly,

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it sounded to me like you might
have suggested that we have a fairly

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definitive answer when it comes to Chris
Wallace getting killed. That would be a

408
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:05.440
big in the Biggie and Tupaca piasco. But you know, do we have

409
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.400
other answers. We had news from
the Tupaca circumstance not too long ago.

410
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:13.720
But notice how that went right the
hell out of the media too, that's

411
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:19.480
gone. Who's responsible? What happened? Worthyes? You know? Is it

412
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.400
just business and nothing personal? What
happened? I would love to know.

413
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.839
I've got a couple of answers in
my mind about a few things, but

414
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.519
I would never come out and definitively
say I've done all the research, or

415
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:36.440
I've got it together, or I
don't even have the good YouTube university degree

416
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.960
that you said, Chad, But
I'd love to hear it. Anyways.

417
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.000
I'd love to hear from any of
you guys. So what I'm gonna do

418
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.759
right now is take a quick break
and come back around. I don't have

419
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.400
my coach with me, but hopefully
I can have you with me. You

420
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.240
the listener, if you're hearing us
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421
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422
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Otherwise, you can call me three
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six. That's three one nine five
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O'Kelly effect open mic Friday Night.
We'll go ahead call it. Just sit

428
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in the truth about the JAFAA.
Right, Well, what do you want

429
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to know? Claim oswal girlfriends you
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430
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I imagine I could claim I have
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431
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wagon, but okay, I'm the
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473
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Otherwise standard way three one nine five
two seven five zero one six. I'll

474
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.519
probably be repeating that in my sleep
for the next few years for certain.

475
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:59.000
Thus far, we've heard from Doug
Campbell briefly, although his signal was bad,

476
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.199
and Jimmy James. Now I've got
an unknown caller on the line,

477
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.679
so I'm gonna go straight to them, and we'll get back around to Jimmy

478
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.400
and we'll get around to everybody on
the show. I got time until Aaron

479
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:15.360
Franz goes live with the Age of
Transitions at ten pm Eastern, and I

480
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.360
think Alex I'm sorry, will be
with him again tonight. So ought to

481
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.599
be an interesting show always is with
Aaron, and he's been on some weird

482
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:27.280
tears. Lately. He's gone into
politics, which even though Uncle thinks everything

483
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.599
is politics with Aaron, it didn't
used to be. But lately he's gone

484
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.639
in that direction, and I don't
know what to say. I didn't know

485
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.320
what was gonna happen. Also didn't
know he was gonna stop taking calls,

486
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.079
but I haven't stopped. Three one
nine five two seven five zero one six

487
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.960
No bet Pete tonight. But let's
see who's on the line next. And

488
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.760
I have an unidentified caller. How
you doing? What's going on? Hey,

489
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.920
Chris Moke? How you doing with
Chlly? Hey Chris, how you

490
00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:00.119
doing? Hi? Not too bad? All right? Well, but you

491
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.480
know, I'm glad to hear from
you. I really don't want to explain

492
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:06.599
how I'm doing, because I mean, I can spend the next what hour

493
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.000
probably telling you about my what,
my depression, my aches and pains,

494
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.039
my problems all week. You want
to hear all that you want, You

495
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:21.079
want me to want to do it. The puppies are really the nicest,

496
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.840
most pleasant part of my day,
even if they're even the ones that don't

497
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:28.719
know yet not to pee on my
floor. Are are actually the most pleasant

498
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.719
part of my day. Everything else, everything else is having trouble cooperating with

499
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.360
me, apparently, which, by
the way, I have a brand new

500
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:43.000
and the last I hope litter of
puppies because we had Buster fixed and anybody

501
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:47.079
who was in the Making Georgia area
and would give a loving home to a

502
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.880
loving little animal. I do have
seven puppies left to give away. They're

503
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.719
not ready to be separated from mama, but in a few weeks they will

504
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.840
be. And I'd love to rehome
them to some buddy who's going to take

505
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.280
care of them, because I'm not
keeping these seven. We've already got four

506
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.400
and maybe five now that we're gonna
wind up keeping. And they're little dogs.

507
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.920
They're little dogs, everybody. It's
not you know, it's not the

508
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:19.719
whole Alabama trailer park joke. You
know how many dogs died when the governor's

509
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.679
mansion collapsed. Well, you got
to check with the trailer park. No,

510
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.719
it's not that. But yeah,
I got lots of little dogs and

511
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.480
seven that need new homes immediately.
So yeah, in the next couple of

512
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.960
weeks, we'll be able to separate
them from mom. They're either almost all

513
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:42.360
white or they're black and white kind
of like kind of like markings that one

514
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.559
of those black and white cows would
have on it, like one of those

515
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:46.679
heifers you see with the black and
white on it. That's kind of the

516
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:52.960
coloring on them. And they're mainly
docs and but little dog mix Chihuahua Docs

517
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:58.639
and miniature German pincher. And I
call them the Mighty Mini MutS and really

518
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.960
think that this breed ought to be
named after me because this weird little combination.

519
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.119
Uh, they're they're a mutt.
They're they're like a designer dog that'll

520
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.840
stay small, but they're a mutt
and they're really cute. And of course,

521
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.880
one of my best friends in the
whole world, because I don't have

522
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.000
any friends in real life, is
a Buster, right, And Buster is

523
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:21.039
my buddy, and he's the one
who knocked up all the females and made

524
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.280
all these letters. We got him
fixed, and I didn't really want to

525
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:28.639
do that, but I can't handle
the onslaught of puppies. So anyway,

526
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:32.800
Chris, sorry, I went on
a long rant about puppies because you brought

527
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:38.440
them up. But I do love
them. But damn well, I'll tell

528
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:42.480
you. Let me tell you something
crazy that happened this week too. Maybe

529
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.119
it'll inspire you, depending on where
you want to go in your call.

530
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:50.199
I was sitting here on I think
it was Sunday night, and I was

531
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.800
trying to get some work done.
And I was doing stuff and I look

532
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.880
over to my left and there's a
shelf in my office, a plastic crap

533
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.480
shelf, and it has a lot
of stuff on it. Well, I

534
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.280
heard this weird noise and I had
the puppies in a cardboard box with their

535
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:13.159
mama right next to the shelf.
This shelf collapsed and I had to jump

536
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.199
up. This is true. I
had to jump up and literally keep this

537
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:22.320
avalanche of books and all kinds of
heavy stuff from falling on the box of

538
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:28.079
puppies. And I guarantee you some
of them would have been killed because this

539
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:32.320
shelf, which is about like three
let's see one, two, four shelves

540
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:37.159
high, collapsed, you know,
the top three levels collapsed like you know,

541
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.079
like like a skyscraper kind of.
They didn't fall in their own footprint.

542
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.400
They were going toward the puppies,
uh. And there was a lot

543
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.760
of books and everything else, and
somehow I jumped up, grabbed the shelf

544
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.480
and was able to direct it away. But it was sort of like the

545
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:59.880
catch all junk shelf in my office, which had books and magazines and file

546
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.039
and I mean everything on it of
all sorts plus a bunch of junk sort

547
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.440
of exploded in the office and went
everywhere and almost fell on the puppies and

548
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:14.239
crushed them. But I prevented that
and none of them were harmed. But

549
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.400
my office is still, as I
speak, a wreck. I worked on

550
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:21.400
it for a couple hours just so
I could walk through the mess. But

551
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:22.920
I have a total disaster message.
I'll tell you. If I had a

552
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:27.760
friend right now, i'd be recruiting
them to come over my house and please

553
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.960
help me clean my office up,
because it's a total disaster now from this

554
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.360
collapse shelf. But anyway, why
do I tell you this? Because I

555
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.760
saved the puppies somehow. I jumped
up from my chair as the shelf was

556
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:45.039
collapsing and falling, caught the shelf
and was able to direct all of these

557
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:49.960
things, including many heavy books again, but I mean pens and bottles and

558
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.199
cans and all kinds of stuff supplies. I had some snacks up there,

559
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:57.840
I had another pair of shoes up
there. It was a catch all shelf,

560
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.719
and this shelf has basically floated and
gone all over my office. But

561
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:07.760
I was able to shelter the puppies
from the collapsing shell to break something.

562
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.559
Yeah, something did it. And
it was a weird if you saw the

563
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.320
way that this happened, Like my
son freaked out. He's like, what

564
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.800
the hell is all that? I
said, Ah, the shelf collapsed,

565
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.320
and he came running and he went, oh my god, Oh my god.

566
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.280
You started running around the house,
and he's you know, he overreacts.

567
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:27.840
But I'm like, hey, come
in here and help me. I

568
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.719
got stuff everywhere. Help me.
I'm trying to make sure this doesn't fall

569
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.119
on the puppies. I'm standing there
holding it, you know, and he's

570
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.920
running away, going, oh my
god. And nobody else was home,

571
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:38.880
by the way, so it's not
like he was going to get mom.

572
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.239
Anyway. This was the scene on
Sunday night. Kind of hurt my back

573
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.679
a little doing that, but yeah, that's the way my week started is

574
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:53.920
with the exploding shell. Anyway.
I don't know if anybody finds this interesting,

575
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.440
but what the hell? So now
I'll shut up, Chris, what's

576
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:02.079
on your mind? Hey for what
if you don't how old your son?

577
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.880
If you don't let me ask him, No, I got a five year

578
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.960
old. I'm just curious. Yeah, he's nine, but emotionally sometimes younger

579
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:14.800
you know, but not. Yeah. Yeah, I've got an older son.

580
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.000
To my older son, he's Jesus, he'll be twenty one this year.

581
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.239
Oh, I've got I've got a
as well, so I've got fun

582
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.840
at the younger ages. Listen,
I've got a I've got a boy that

583
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:30.840
lives in North Carolina that is going
to be twenty two this year. So

584
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.920
yeah, I got Yeah, I
got both ends of the spectrum there.

585
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.239
Yeah, they're funner as a younger, aren't they. Uh yeah, usually,

586
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.599
But I don't know. I think
my boys are just no fun most

587
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:49.239
of the time. Anyway. I
get along so much better with my daughter,

588
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.400
who's the oldest of my children.
But anyway, we're not going to

589
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.960
go there tonight. Let's let's not
talk family relations. It isn't the Doctor

590
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.000
Phil show. Uh but anyway,
Yeah, no, I know what it's

591
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.119
like. I got the adult and
I've also got the kiddie. So yeah.

592
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:07.280
Anyways, So what else is on
your mind? Chris? Sorry,

593
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.079
I keep asking that question and not
letting you answer it. No, it's

594
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.039
okay. I don't really have too
much to contribute to the TUPAC discussion,

595
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:21.400
but just wanted to know what your
preparations were for the ore impending doom coming

596
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:25.920
April eighth. Oh, the eclipse, the rocket, the demonic rockets being

597
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.599
fired at the moon, what the
different types of locust. I'm gonna I

598
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:37.000
could list off probably three or four
more things. I think. Oh yeah,

599
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.599
the world is ending again? Right, Well, you know, here's

600
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:44.519
that's what That's what they said.
Here we go again. What was it

601
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:49.039
last September or two septembers ago was
supposed to happen to? Well, it's

602
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.480
the day after my birthday, So
make of that what you will, right,

603
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:59.400
because it's the eighth and my birthdays
April seven, So there you go.

604
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.039
Wa When is Easter? Did Easter
happen? Easter happened already? Yes,

605
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.039
okay, never mind, I'm trying
to think of something to correlate it

606
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:12.039
to. What's good? It's a
week before tax Day. What else happens

607
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:19.159
in April? Yeah, I suppose
I mean King assassination month. I don't

608
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.519
know what else goes on in April. Not much, I guess, right.

609
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.519
I gotta tell you. Somebody sent
me a Skype message Hitler's birthday.

610
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.719
No, that's not the eighth,
I don't think. Yeah, that's the

611
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.239
twentieth, though, that's not the
eighth. I don't know what. Why

612
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.360
don't we look up and see what? What? Actually? You know?

613
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.400
Like, do one of those this
day in history look ups for April eighth

614
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.159
ahead of time. Let's see what
it would you know, correspond to?

615
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:54.800
Right, let's do that while we're
talking April eight in history. Let's try

616
00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:01.159
that. See what it says on
my my doubled search engine. This one

617
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:05.039
one that's not supposed to work with
Google, and one that does work with

618
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:09.719
Google, even though it doesn't say
Google on it. Let's see most significant

619
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:13.639
thing that comes up. In eighteen
seventeen, the New York Stock Exchange is

620
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:19.559
founded. He likes. Susan B. Anthony addresses the US House of Representatives

621
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.079
in eighteen eighty four. I don't
know. I'm not seeing much excitement yet.

622
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:29.639
Let's see April eighth, the city
of city of Ula, Finland is

623
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:35.400
founded by Charles the ninth of Sweden. All right, what do you do?

624
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.119
Let's go to history dot com and
see because sometimes they have some interesting

625
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:45.360
like this is the stuff that happened
on this day. And I sometimes start

626
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:46.800
by this day in history. I
used to do this day in History on

627
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:50.960
the podcast a lot and I don't
know. People just didn't really dig it,

628
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:55.719
so I stopped doing it. Let's
see, they're giving me a bunch

629
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:59.239
of videos. See that's the other
thing nowadays, Like if you want to

630
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.519
go get some texts real fast,
it's not always there, you know.

631
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:06.320
Oh yeah, it's much harder to
find information nowadays. That does it.

632
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.079
Honestly seem like the a lot of
testaments scrub from the internet. Yeah,

633
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:13.880
and anything that wasn't scrubbed, they've
turned it into a game or a video

634
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.440
or you know, some other crap. Oh, here we go. Historical

635
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.360
events on April eighth, according to
this website. Oh here we go.

636
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.920
Here's one in eleven forty nine,
Pope Eugene the Third takes refuge in the

637
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.400
castle. Okay, yeah, let's
see what else we got. Let's go

638
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:36.400
to some more modern times. Maybe
we'll bring it down here. Venus de

639
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:40.639
Milo blah blah. John dye Lynde
eighteen sixty Okay, American Museum in Natural

640
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:45.840
History opens in New York City.
Okay, Italy and Prussia a lie against

641
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:52.760
Austria and Hungaria and Hungary in eighteen
sixty six. And maybe we got to

642
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.480
go to the nineteen let's go to
nineteen hundreds. All right, Russia and

643
00:52:54.599 --> 00:53:02.079
China signed the Convention of Evacuation,
under which Russia agrees to evacuate Manchuria within

644
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:08.320
eighteen months. British mystic Aleister Crowley
describes the first chapter of the Book of

645
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:14.920
the Law. On nineteen oh four. Okay, let's see, Great Britain

646
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:22.719
and France established their Antiquitiel, a
technical treaty setting along standing disagreements over Monico,

647
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.760
Egypt, Africa, and the Pacific. Okay, New York City changes

648
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:35.159
the name of who cares. Let's
say blah blah blah b seventeenth Amendment of

649
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:40.360
the United States Constitutions ratified by Congress, providing for election of senators by popular

650
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:46.400
vote. All right, opening of
China's first Parliament takes place in Peking now,

651
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:52.159
Beijing. Let's see, US and
Columbia sign a treaty concerning the Panama

652
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:59.119
Canal. Norway approaches active and passive
female suffrage. All right, what else?

653
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.320
Come on to be something else?
Here? King Zog, the first

654
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:07.719
of Albania, flees after Italy invades. In nineteen thirty nine, German battlecruisers

655
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:15.719
sink British aircraft carrier Glorious. This
day, and was it nineteen forty nineteen

656
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:20.239
forty? All right, what else
we got here? NFL's draft, Frank,

657
00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.639
Oh, come on nineteen forty three. No, I don't need the

658
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.360
NFL. All right, Let's go
to nineteen fifty two. US President Harry

659
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:31.519
Truman seizes steel mills to avert a
strike. Netherlands and Germany sign a cord

660
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:37.199
concerning war casualties. In nineteen sixty, US Senate passes civil rights bill with

661
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:44.360
measures against discriminatory voting practices. In
nineteen sixty Okay, I don't know.

662
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:50.519
I'm not seeing much interesting here,
correlating with April eighth, fortieth Academy Awards

663
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.880
postponed April tenth due to death of
Martin Luther King. Well that's something.

664
00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:02.840
Let's see nineteen sixty A check Slovakia. Let's see Time publishes is God Dead

665
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:09.679
issue its first issue without an image
in nineteen sixty six, begins brought a

666
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:15.639
TV station begins broadcasting like that's what
is that? First Major League Baseball game

667
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.440
featuring a Canadian team, The Montreal
Expos, of course, beat the New

668
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:22.719
York Mets eleven to ten at Chase
Stadium in nineteen sixty nine. All right,

669
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:30.760
Senate rejects Nixon's nomination of Judge G. Harold Carswell first legal off alright,

670
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:36.199
garbage, garbage, garbage, NFL
draft? What else we got here?

671
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.320
People's Republic of China joins International Olympic
Committee. In nineteen seventy nine.

672
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.880
Islanders scored nine goals against Toronto in
the playoffs in nineteen eighty one. Wow,

673
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:51.719
eighty one was a slow year.
Well, let's see US Census Bureau

674
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:59.800
estimates rank Los Angeles's second most populated
city, displacing Chicago, Okay. In

675
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:04.960
file suit against the Union, carbide
over Okay. Blah, blah blah.

676
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:07.960
California Angels. Pitcher Jim Abbot,
born without his right hand, makes his

677
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:13.519
Major League baseball debut, lasting only
four and two thirds innings in nineteen eighty

678
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:17.559
nine. I remember that. Let's
see, Yes, he was the pitcher,

679
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.599
Jim Abbot. He was one handed. Yeah, oh, really left

680
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:27.039
handed pitcher? One handed he was? He was one hand I forget if

681
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:29.639
he was left handed or right handed. But he kept his glove on his

682
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:32.159
stump, and then after he threw, he would grab the glove off his

683
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:36.559
stump and put it on the same
hand he just threw with uh. That's

684
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:39.719
what he would do. No,
go ahead, yeah, you know you

685
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:45.239
could. You could find that online
somewhere. Pitcher Jim Abbot born with without

686
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:46.199
his right hand. Yes, so
he would have to be a left handed

687
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:52.519
pitcher. That's correct. Let's see
Atlanta b well is, Atlanta Braves,

688
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:57.760
Kent Merker no hits the Dodgers,
all right, Japanese Prime Minister nineteen ninety

689
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:02.840
four, smoking band in Pentagon and
all US military basis all right. Let's

690
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:08.800
see Tony Tucker's seven rounds win vacated? What is this the vacated boxing title?

691
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.920
Right? Yikes? I mean,
what have we got here? Nineteen

692
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:17.039
US Marines are killed when a V
twenty two Ospray tilt roter aircraft crashes near

693
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.920
Mary. Okay, that's uh,
that sucks, But what are you gonna

694
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:24.960
do? What else we got here? One hundred and sixty three people killed

695
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:30.199
in fifty thousand are displaced after tribal
violence erupts in darfour, Sudan in twenty

696
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:37.400
thirteen. No, I'm not seeing
anything that would be like world shaking here

697
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:40.519
on April eighth, and I'm already
into the twenty twenty Saudi Back twenty twenty

698
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:46.320
Saudi Back coalition fighting Houti fighters in
Yemen calls for a ceasefire after five years

699
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:51.599
to stop the spread of COVID Yikes
in twenty twenty. This is what they're

700
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:57.039
saying. World Trade Organization predicts a
drop in global trade greater than two thousand

701
00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.960
and eight financial crisis, again due
to COVID three thirty two percent for twenty

702
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:07.800
twenty Yikes. Seventh Night of unresting
Belfast in twenty twenty one Northern Ireland,

703
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:14.800
even after joint call for calm.
All right, first all private space Axiom

704
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:20.079
one launches to the International Space Station
in twenty twenty two. And that's it.

705
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:23.559
There is not much correlating to April
eighth in history from what I see.

706
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.559
Well, maybe you to make the
difference. Huh, Well, there

707
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.760
you go, there you go.
So look, I've got other callers.

708
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.880
I'm gonna move on to him,
Chris, just because, and I'll come

709
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:37.639
back around to you though if you
hang around. So I'll come back around.

710
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:44.719
Let's see who's up next. Uh, looks like I got a call.

711
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:50.000
You know what This could indeed be
Yes, I think this is the

712
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:52.800
return of Doug Campbell. Maybe he's
got a better signal. Doug is that

713
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:58.920
you and the not much. I
was going through this day in history for

714
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.079
April eighth, because it was apparently
the world's supposed to end the day after

715
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:05.199
my birthday. So we decided to
check on it and see if there was

716
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:09.280
any other interesting dates in history or
interesting occurrences on April eighth that we could

717
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:15.159
correlate it to. Uh. Yeah, that's one of the latest, like

718
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.519
you know, paranoia themes out there
is that you know, once again we're

719
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.920
gonna have some calamity on the eighth
of April. That's gonna be like world

720
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:29.119
ending. So nobody told me.
Nobody told me. Nobody told me until

721
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.159
tonight either. I started looking it
up, and he's right, it's the

722
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:36.440
the chatter and the Uh there's a
weird contingent on the internet that's, you

723
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:40.920
know, the the constant doomsday people. Uh and yeah, they they just

724
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:44.800
like in what was the two septembers
ago, the world was supposed to end.

725
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:46.920
Well, apparently it's gonna end again
on the eighth because of the eclipse

726
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:51.440
and a few other things. And
I don't know all the reasoning, but

727
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:54.559
I decided to check in history see
if there was anything remarkable about April eighth

728
00:59:55.719 --> 01:00:02.360
and uh seems like no, so
oh so well no Biggie. Well I'm

729
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:06.880
thinking no, Biggie, but you
never know. Look, one of these

730
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:08.559
days I'm going to be wrong about
you know, is the world going to

731
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:15.119
end tomorrow? If you ask that
question every single day for eternity, eventually

732
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:20.079
the world will. Indeed, you're
right, Yeah, that's it. You

733
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.119
know, if every day you tell
somebody you know they're gonna die, eventually,

734
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:28.840
you'll be right. Uh but you
know that's right. Yeah, So

735
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:31.280
uh, anyway you go, you
got a better signal. So I'd like

736
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:36.400
to return to your discussion. And
also I see some other callers on the

737
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:39.880
line besides the people we've already heard
from, so love to turn the floor

738
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:44.239
back over to you and let you
go at it because I got plenty of

739
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.280
time here to work with and no
co hosts, So go right ahead.

740
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:51.000
We were talking, or you were
starting to talk about Biggie and Tupac and

741
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:54.840
how you have the YouTube University degree
on this, and uh, yeah,

742
01:00:54.920 --> 01:01:01.280
man, go ahead, I've got
a bachelor's from YouTube University from watching like

743
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:07.679
five days were the videos and we
got snowed in excellent, So I figure,

744
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.840
yeah, and then I read two
books, so that makes me an

745
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.199
expert. Right, you know what? Really quick? I love when people

746
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:20.199
do this on JFK to me where
they go, I've seen stuff on YouTube

747
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:24.519
and I read all the books.
One time this guy emphatically said I read

748
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:29.239
all the books, and I said, all the books? Really? How

749
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:35.159
many do you count among the books? Well? I read three three?

750
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:37.840
You read three books? Yeah,
I read three books. Do you think

751
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:44.599
that's all the books? Huh?
Okay, So anyway, but maybe there's

752
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:51.679
less books on this go go ahead. I helped you add me in a

753
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:59.000
JFK assassination discussion group on the dreaded
Facebook. Right. And one of the

754
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:04.199
we have membership questions and they're all
multiple choices, right, And I think

755
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:08.159
a lot of people think that that
you get you get you know, accepted

756
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:13.639
into a group if you just bother
to answer the question. And there's actually

757
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.280
question number two. If not,
that's they're all wrong answers. And question

758
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:22.880
number two is where do you get
the majority of your research material? And

759
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.880
one of the choices is you too? That will if that's your answer to

760
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.440
that question, that will immediately get
you barred from the group. That's great

761
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:37.360
and should be MM hmm, yeah, yeah, But I say that I'm

762
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:45.039
poking in front of myself because you
guys were discussing this this all this weirdness

763
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:47.239
with puff Daddy, you know that's
going on in the raids and stuff,

764
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.199
right, And as I was saying
before, when I called in with the

765
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:55.119
crappy signal, and I kind of
got stuck down that rabbit hole. The

766
01:02:55.159 --> 01:03:02.199
whole Death Row records and the mot
the the the stories behind, you know,

767
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:07.199
interviews and stuff with some of the
some of the gang members that ran

768
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:10.239
with Death Row, you know,
during that time, during the whole you

769
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:15.920
know, during the nineties, it
was a big gang culture kind of kind

770
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:19.320
of company, right, and almost
everybody in the world was saying, yeah,

771
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:22.280
the music was not right. Almost
every almost everybody in the world at

772
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.719
that point was saying, look,
Sugar Knight's a gang banger. He's got

773
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:30.719
lots of killer gang bangers around him. He's a thug. After all,

774
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:35.039
he dangled Vanilla Ice from his ankles
off of a hotel balcony, uh,

775
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.920
you know, in order to have
him sign over the rights to Ice Ice

776
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:42.239
baby, right, so you know
he killed people. Come on, that's

777
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.760
the answer. That was the answer
for a while. That stood, right,

778
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:49.280
go ahead, Well for the Biggie
thing, you know, and I

779
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:51.719
heard you got I heard you ask
me p the question, you know,

780
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:57.960
like do we have a definitive answer? And I'm know I'm by no means

781
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.079
an expert, you know, but
I have seen like a lot of interviews

782
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:05.239
with this to take them Greg Cating
that led the Biggie task Force in LA,

783
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:11.719
and I think I agree with him. I think it's it's it's not

784
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:16.280
unsolved, it's just unprosecuted, you
know. I know there were like two

785
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:21.599
competing theories. One of them had
this guy Raphael Perez and David Matt who

786
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:28.119
were these supposed they were they were
crooked LA cops who robbed banks, and

787
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.239
there was one theory that these guys
had done it. But I believe,

788
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.880
I believe the theory that in the
confession, you know, out of the

789
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:40.079
chick that Greg Cating and his task
force were able to get in the Biggie

790
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:44.039
killing, that it was a mob
piru gang banger that worked for should Knight

791
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:50.400
named Wardell Poucci Fowls okay, and
he was aw I think the story was

792
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:58.159
he was paid fourteen grand totally.
Well, you know, it is much

793
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:03.800
more reasonable to me that it was
contract killing based on the way it went

794
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:10.719
down, and a bunch of strange
things happened, and you know, there's

795
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:14.199
a bunch of weird circumstances. Forget
about the witnesses who didn't see nothing.

796
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:18.159
I mean, that's just gonna happen
in circumstances like this. But it seemed

797
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.559
to me like it was right for
contract killing. That's why the cop thing

798
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:26.039
almost made sense, because in New
York there was a bunch of times that

799
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:29.559
they came up with you know,
cops that they couldn't quite stick them with

800
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.719
the contract killing, but they knew
that the contracts were offered to some of

801
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:36.280
these guys who were getting paid off
to do all sorts of things in New

802
01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:40.880
York before and La, I mean, come on, man, LA,

803
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:47.400
is you know crooked police? Tell
me that if there's a encyclopedia that has

804
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.679
that as a listing, that the
Los Angeles, you know police department doesn't

805
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:57.639
come up in the first couple of
references in any encyclopedia on crooked cops.

806
01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:02.599
I mean, come on, So
it made sense to me the the guy

807
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:08.440
that was the head of security for
death row records is an ex cop but

808
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:12.719
he's not an x L A cop. He worked for the Compton Police Department

809
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:17.719
in Compton, California. His father
was the hit. His father was the

810
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:25.079
head of the of the End of
the Game task force right in Compton,

811
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:29.400
which later got shut down for corruption. Uh well, actually they shut the

812
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:33.320
entire Compton Police Department down. But
the father of the guy that was Dethro

813
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:38.239
Records Security chief, a guy named
Reggie Wright, was the head of the

814
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:43.599
task force that was shut down for
corruption. So and Reggie Wright he was

815
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:46.679
with He was with death Row for
a long time. Matter of fact,

816
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:50.320
I think he was like managing director
of death Row even after shub Knight went

817
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:54.079
to prison. Yeah, he was. He was in charge of taking care

818
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.800
of a lot of stuff while Sube
Knight was locked up. And I remember

819
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.679
that from one of the long documentaries
I watched. They went through that whole

820
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:03.880
thing with Reggie Wright. So yeah, go ahead. Yeah, that guy

821
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:09.559
he's still doing like a speaking to
YouTube a YouTube episode to day on this

822
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:12.920
stuff. It's crazy. It's like, you can't let it go weird,

823
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:16.199
man, it's weird. But did
you ever hear the story that of the

824
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:21.519
confession that that task force got out
of sug Knight's mistress as far as the

825
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:27.760
Biggie killing, I remember, see, I don't remember her being the mistress.

826
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.960
It seemed like she was an angry
girlfriend, right, And I had

827
01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:34.239
seen a couple of interviews with her
where she didn't give up much. And

828
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:41.840
then there was supposedly a confession that
was gotten in private, and I don't

829
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:44.880
know if that was taped or not. There was something about that, Wasn't

830
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:47.800
there something about she was taped or
wasn't taped And we weren't sure where the

831
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.320
tape was. Wasn't that part of
that? Or am I mixing things up?

832
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:57.119
Well? They it was written down, but not tape. The guy

833
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:01.199
that they just arrested for killing Tupac, a cat named Katy D who's the

834
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:08.920
south Side crip. He was taped. They did tape his little proper agreement

835
01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.559
confession on the Tupac killer, but
they didn't take this other this other chicks

836
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.159
and from one understand, they're there. She's twisted in in the in the

837
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:24.920
profer agreement under an alias. But
she was apparently sug Night's mistress or one

838
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:31.159
of his mistresses, and they had
her on a bunch of broad money laundering,

839
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:36.039
taking car titles and ships for stolen
cars. So they kind of hung

840
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:40.760
that over her head, you know, to get a proper agreement about the

841
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:44.720
biggie thing. And apparently Kating in
his task force already had all this information

842
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:49.159
about kind of a lot of the
information about what went down, so he

843
01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:56.439
crafted a fake confession from this Pucci
guy and they got her in this proper

844
01:08:56.479 --> 01:08:59.920
agreement and he says, well,
this is what Pouccie wrote before he died.

845
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:02.720
And she said, oh wow,
well he got this. This is

846
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.760
wrong, and this is wrong,
but it's basically what happened, and she

847
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:13.000
laid it all out. Apparently,
apparently David Kenner, this guy David Kenner,

848
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:16.600
who was Shug's attorney and I think
business partner, snuck her into prison

849
01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:21.960
about six months after Tupac got killed
because Sugar actually got violated, I think

850
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:28.239
violated his parole because of the MGM
fight and he went back to jail.

851
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:34.439
Well, Kenner sneaks her in as
under the guise of a legal assistant,

852
01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:39.319
into a meeting with Shug and Sugar
basically set it up. I want you

853
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:42.439
to go to Poucci, ask him
how much money it's gonna take. I

854
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:46.159
want this done. She meets with
this guy he tells him or he says

855
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:51.079
nine grand I believe, which he
later came back and asked for five more

856
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:54.920
to get out of town. And
that's kind of the way it went.

857
01:09:55.760 --> 01:10:00.319
She got the money, paid him
off, and apparently this Pucci came who

858
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.600
was one of the mob pirut guys
that were always around Death Road, you

859
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:08.600
know, the bloods that always hung
out. He was part of that whole

860
01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:13.439
set right, and apparently pulled it
off. He was killed like a year

861
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:16.720
and a half later, driving down
the road on his motorcycle, shot like

862
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:21.079
seventeen times in the back or something. Yeah, you're right. All these

863
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:28.640
guys were hardcore gang bangers from what
I understand from my studies at YouTube University

864
01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:31.359
and the only two books I've ever
read on the subject. So I'm just

865
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:35.000
saying, well, look, it
makes sense though, because much like when

866
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.000
people bring up you know, look
at all the murders that happened after the

867
01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:45.960
JFK assassination, and you have to
make subsets because if you're in certain lines

868
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.239
of work, my brother, your
lifespan is not that long. It's just

869
01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:51.840
that simple. Uh, you know, look at the gangsters who were murdered,

870
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:57.039
no kidding, you know, it's
like, yeah, you know,

871
01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:00.560
so the idea that a lot of
the gang bangers who would have been part

872
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:03.880
of the connective tissue of this or
you know, are are dead already.

873
01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:10.520
Color me way not shocked thirty years
later, right, I mean, you

874
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.039
know, within a year or two
is all you got because a lot of

875
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:16.800
these guys will die or wind up
into prison somewhere. They end up in

876
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:20.359
the shoe okay, the segregated housing
unit, and that's the end of them.

877
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:25.640
They drop off, the end of
the world gone. So you know,

878
01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:29.119
man, most of these guys,
I can think of one of these

879
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:34.319
cats that ran with that death row
set back then that didn't either end up

880
01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:40.479
in prison or dead. And he
does a lot of interviews kind of you

881
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:43.520
know, about the whole time,
and I actually enjoy listening to him.

882
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.600
He's got a lot of the history
down. But there's only like one guy

883
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:49.039
that made it out in state,
you know, right, one guy.

884
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:54.520
And you know, you draw the
parallel to the jfk assascination, and you

885
01:11:54.600 --> 01:12:03.800
know, depending on what set of
potential of one of what's the word potential

886
01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:09.239
shooters? What set of potential you
know? And I kind of concentrate on

887
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.960
the paramilitary side of things with the
anti Castro Cubans. And you know a

888
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.039
lot of those guys didn't make it
out a lot either. Well, but

889
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:20.960
the goose after yeah, you know, we started dropping off too. Let

890
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:24.920
me ask you before I jump off
of you those let me ask you one

891
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:30.279
question out of left field on the
JFK assassination based on a document that I

892
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:33.399
recently ran across that we're gonna do
on quick Kits with Rob. I'm gonna

893
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:38.760
I'm gonna share it in a couple
of weeks. But this is just you

894
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.479
know a lot about this brother,
you know a lot about the history of

895
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.560
the researchers and this, and I
know this is gonna sound kind of out

896
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:46.439
of left field, but I'm gonna
throw mame at you. Okay, are

897
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:59.439
you ready? Bernard Finster Wall mm
hmm, true benevolent truth seeker or c

898
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:02.399
I A and or I don't know
what you want to call it, deep

899
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:08.039
state whatever, controlled opposition? What
do you think off the top of your

900
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:15.560
head? I would have to put
him in the same category as Epstein and

901
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:20.119
why because a lot of his actions
don't make sense and believe it or not,

902
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:25.520
there's a couple of sacred cows in
the JFK research community that I think

903
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:30.760
don't need to be so sacred and
uh Fenser Wald. I look, I

904
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:35.000
can't prove it, but I would
say to you that he is definitely a

905
01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:43.039
sketchy looking when it comes to his
uh motivations. I wouldn't say that I

906
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:45.000
could prove anything definitively, but I
mean, you make me have to,

907
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.399
uh, you know, flip a
card on the back of the front on

908
01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:53.279
him. I gotta tell you I
would put him in the controlled opposition pile

909
01:13:55.159 --> 01:14:00.479
if I have to, because I've
always gotten sort of that feeling myself.

910
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:05.439
But and I don't want to give
up to I don't have the document with

911
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:11.800
me, So to your listeners,
we listen to quick Hits in a couple

912
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:15.880
of weeks with Rob Clark and myself
and we'll read it. But I found

913
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:20.800
an interesting letter took in at the
Mary Farrell Foundation in a file that it

914
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:27.479
probably just shouldn't have been in,
you know, filed lots of documents.

915
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:33.159
It's a letter from nineteen seventy one
from Bernard Finsterwald to a man named Lawrence

916
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:41.520
J. Houston, who at the
time was the I believe General Counsel to

917
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:46.680
the Central Intelligence Agency. Yeah,
okay, now you know, yeah,

918
01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:51.239
I do. That's interesting. What
what is curious? What? What?

919
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:55.159
What did you find in that letter? Because I've never heard of this letter,

920
01:14:55.479 --> 01:15:00.279
but I know who you're talking about. He wants he's requesting a meet

921
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.640
up at a discreet location that he's
and he suggests a very discreet location and

922
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:12.760
he wants to bring along somebody from
mister Houston to meet. Yeah, okay,

923
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:23.319
well that's really as Colonel named Leroy
Fletcher Cloudy. Are you kidding now,

924
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:29.600
sir? Uh uh oh wow,
Okay, well that go ahead.

925
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:33.840
I'm just saying that's interesting, but
I don't have it with me. But

926
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:41.399
I wanted to get your take on
whether Sinster Wallen is benevolent or possibly not,

927
01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:45.680
you know, for that reason,
and I'm gonna ask a couple of

928
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:51.159
other people in our in the research
community, the same question. And before

929
01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:55.039
maybe I read the letter, I'll
read these opinions off, you know,

930
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:58.079
you and a couple of other people, and then we'll read the letter and

931
01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:01.159
you know, just let everybody to
get their take on it. Yeah,

932
01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.640
my journey wants to meet somewhere in
discreet, quiet, and he wants to

933
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:10.760
introduce prouty. Yeah, that's really
odd. And I'll tell you this,

934
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:15.039
Uh to me again, I would
say that I can't you know, absolutely

935
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:19.239
say for certain off the bat anything. But if I had to place him

936
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:23.239
somewhere, and you're telling me,
look, man, he's got to go

937
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:27.840
in one pile or the other.
You can't leave him on the table.

938
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:31.760
Right. We're separating people into the
benevolent researcher who's actually you know, doing

939
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:38.399
an honest search for something and the
people that are out there actively trying to

940
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:44.920
undermine things and are probably being controlled
and have an agenda that is about making

941
01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:49.039
sure people don't get at the truth. He has to go in that pile.

942
01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:54.279
I think he was, Yeah,
I think he was working against him.

943
01:16:55.399 --> 01:17:00.399
What you're saying, there's no other
right, If there's no other pile,

944
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:05.039
he goes in the not benevolent pile. Right. But but I wouldn't

945
01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.319
you know, I wouldn't snap to
it right away. But you know a

946
01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:13.159
bunch of things with him over the
years, and you're you're telling me something

947
01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:15.560
new that would add to it,
you know, that might make me push

948
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:21.079
him over there quicker, you know
what I mean? But but that's that

949
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:27.560
is awfully strength. Hey, absolutely
anytime, and I'm always happy to hear

950
01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:30.319
from you, Doug. And I'm
glad we got the phone line straightened out

951
01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:34.000
because I needed to hear from my
doctorate. You know, my friend with

952
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:39.479
the eight Did you say doctorate or
you have a bachelor's degree? I have

953
01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:43.279
a bachelor's degree. Bachelor's degree from
YouTube. Well it's more than I got

954
01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:46.800
bachelor's degree from YouTube University. Fair
enough. That's your take on Biggie and

955
01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:49.680
Tupac, And I appreciate it,
man, really I do. But I

956
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:55.319
keep helping home. I will say
this. Rob and I were talking earlier

957
01:17:56.560 --> 01:18:00.760
and and we were wondering if you
know how it is nowadays even in the

958
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:05.720
JFK research community. Now that I
appeared on a podcast and spoke on the

959
01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:15.279
teapocket Biggie thing, does that automatically
make me an expert? Depends on who

960
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:19.920
you're talking to, right, heymen, brother there Kelly. It has been

961
01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:24.800
fabulous talking to you, dude.
It was wonderful hanging with you at Lancer,

962
01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:29.000
and man, we'll talk again very
soon, sir, I promise absolutely.

963
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:31.239
Hey, listen, you know Lancer
is being planned for this year for

964
01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:35.720
the twenty second straight on, just
letting you know. They don't have the

965
01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:41.960
location yet, but that's where it's
gonna be on the twenty second. Are

966
01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:45.840
you going to be there? I'm
involved in the planning, so yeah,

967
01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:49.880
I then I'll be there. How
about that? And I'll be there too.

968
01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:55.039
Sounds good. We need to redeem
a few things from last time,

969
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.880
I think, and not not things
that were necessarily our fault. But yeah,

970
01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:01.039
I think we need to make it
a better sixty one than we had

971
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:04.720
at the sixty. You know what
I'm saying. And you know what,

972
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:09.640
we had a really good sixty.
So yeah, I think that's possible.

973
01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:12.960
But cool beans, man, I
will talk to you down the road,

974
01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.359
brother, you'd be good till vp't. I said, Hey, and man,

975
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.359
well, how at your brother?
We'll do Doug Campbell again, you

976
01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:20.560
know, and you'll be able to
catch up on that stuff he was talking

977
01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:25.640
about on quick Hits, which you
can find pretty much everywhere that there are

978
01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:31.359
podcasts, okay and all that good
stuff, and he does the Dallas Action

979
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:34.359
quick hits he does with Rob Clark. Rob Clark is, of course the

980
01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:40.720
guy from the Loan Gunman podcast,
which coincidentally that's a funny thing. I

981
01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:44.279
may or may not have somebody who's
connected to the Loan Gunman podcast on the

982
01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:51.840
line. Let's see Joe are you
there? Hello, how's it going?

983
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:58.600
Man? I identify yourself for the
listeners, please. I am Joey Scooter

984
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:05.960
stars Eli, co host of the
Gotten In podcast, And uh, I

985
01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:15.399
just wanted to follow up on Doug
and that it's a great Uh. You

986
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:18.920
know, he makes a joke that
a YouTube university, but he he really

987
01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:25.600
knows this, his stuff about this, and uh, it's fascinating. Ah.

988
01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:29.560
So so you have so you have
gotten the thing I've never really looked

989
01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:32.640
into, right, but you've gotten
the the Doug Campbell presentation on Vigie and

990
01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:40.720
Tupac before. I guess somehow somewhere
good messaging all day about it. Yeah,

991
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:46.560
and he sent me documentaries to watch
and uh is trying to educate me.

992
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:57.600
So I'm very interested and his is
uh, his little calling was I

993
01:20:57.680 --> 01:21:02.720
thought amazing. It was great.
I think it's much easier to solve something

994
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:11.720
like this than something that happened sixty
years ago. And while he says YouTube

995
01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:17.760
university, you know, I think
it he is listening to a lot of

996
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:26.239
rappers first hand. Accounts of the
situation, so it isn't quite YouTube University.

997
01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:30.039
But the point is he knows what
he's talking about in regards to this

998
01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:41.640
very fascinating what I wanted to make
an announcement exclusively tell the effect. And

999
01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:47.600
I heard you mentioned that you weren't
sure when Lancer or what hotel Lancers is

1000
01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:56.079
going to be at next year.
Actually have two topics I'm preferring for But

1001
01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:05.039
I'm going to conquer the scooter in
front of the whole smoking section in front

1002
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:12.399
of the hotel, and it will
be filmed and it could be broadcasted.

1003
01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:18.920
I give everyone broadcast rights, and
I'll be practicing on the bird. I

1004
01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:25.000
might even do some tricks. Who
knows, well, I guess you'll have

1005
01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:29.720
to show up at Lancer to find
out. So you are going to attempt

1006
01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:35.479
the attempt to alter your nickname just
to touch you said Scooter Scars Burrelli,

1007
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:41.720
which is pretty funny. But uh, maybe you'll be a Scooter Star BURRELLI

1008
01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:45.079
after this one, right, because
You're gonna do some tricks and redeem yourself

1009
01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:50.039
in front of the smoking section wherever
that may be at a at the hotel.

1010
01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:55.000
Okay, gotcha? Well, I
mean I mean the smolking section is

1011
01:22:55.920 --> 01:23:00.600
outside the hotel is a pretty happening
spot, as we all know based on

1012
01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:05.279
last year. And you know,
obviously getting to meet you and B Pete

1013
01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:10.560
and and and I Doug for the
first time as well, and h and

1014
01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:17.079
Mike Swompson and uh Larry Hancock and
uh, you know, it was surreal

1015
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:24.279
the whole sixtieth I had an amazing
time. I just want to call and

1016
01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:31.760
say that, Yeah, I really
appreciated and had a good time meeting you

1017
01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:38.840
and B Pete and looked forward to
uh, you know, collabing in the

1018
01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:45.359
future, and I will definitely be
at Lancer this this coming year has some

1019
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:51.720
good follow ups on some of our
presentations, and I think we got some

1020
01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:56.199
good stuff going on. So yeah, me too. Look, I,

1021
01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.239
like I said, I only know
the dates so far, you know,

1022
01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:05.279
and I'm part of the people that
are in contact with each other about what's

1023
01:24:05.319 --> 01:24:11.039
going on, and we're we're working
on it and it's gonna it's gonna come.

1024
01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:15.680
Apparently I'm going to return to do
that again. Yes, Uh so

1025
01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:23.079
you are tremendous MC if I just
say so myself. Yeah, I didn't

1026
01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:25.800
feel too good about the job.
I was doing there because I was doing

1027
01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:29.560
about five other jobs. Well that
was happening, and uh, I had

1028
01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:30.600
a lot to do, Joe.
It was. It was a lot going

1029
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:38.039
on actually, so you know.
But but we're we're gonna have it planned

1030
01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:41.560
out a little differently this time,
so I think I'll have less to do,

1031
01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:45.840
so I'll be able to focus more
on, you know, presentation for

1032
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:50.640
everybody. And it was fun The
smoking section was funny because five years wait,

1033
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:54.800
six years earlier, when I was
there, Uh, when I would

1034
01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:00.199
go out to smoke, I was
pretty much by myself. Occasionally car Mine

1035
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.239
would come out just to keep me
company because I would go out there by

1036
01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:10.520
myself and I was the only one
out there. But yeah, uh,

1037
01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:15.199
but the funny thing was, uh, this past year, people that didn't

1038
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:20.800
even smoke ended up at the smoking
section and it was like it was a

1039
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:25.159
strange. It was I felt like, you know, actually I was never

1040
01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:28.039
alone at the smoking sect. The
only time I was alone in the smoking

1041
01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:32.279
section is when I did Coast to
Coast am and I was up until like,

1042
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:35.720
I don't know, four in the
morning. So after that I needed

1043
01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:40.159
to run outside to go have a
cigarette. And I go outside and I

1044
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:42.560
was like, huh, you know
what's weird about this? Nobody else out

1045
01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:46.640
here? Uh? And that was
the only time is at four am.

1046
01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:51.439
Well, if that was Friday night, if you would have waited an extra

1047
01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:58.000
hour, you would have with this
meet at five thirty am, go down

1048
01:25:58.199 --> 01:26:08.520
to the the hotel lobby and asked
them to print me out thirty pages of

1049
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:15.600
five different documents. Because of the
I wanted, you know, the audience

1050
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:20.680
to really digest some of the things
we had found. And oh yeah,

1051
01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:25.600
those were your handouts. How did
that work? How did that work out

1052
01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:27.520
for you with the handouts? By
the way, how do you feel that

1053
01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:31.920
went with you handing out the little
packets to everybody? Okay, okay.

1054
01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:38.560
So it was there on Friday,
and I was presenting on Saturday, or

1055
01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:45.119
it was Virtual's pre recorded and Rob
Bark and I and but I noticed,

1056
01:26:46.680 --> 01:26:54.800
being towards the back center of the
room that some of the documents, especially

1057
01:26:54.920 --> 01:27:01.000
for people that are maybe older and
couldn't see, might not be able to

1058
01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:06.439
completely digest. So what I did
was, at like five thirty or six

1059
01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:14.840
am, email the front desk with
five different very important documents that were crucial

1060
01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:17.239
to our presentation. And I said, I need thirty copies of each,

1061
01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:20.960
so one hundred and fifty pages,
and they didn't charge me a cent,

1062
01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:27.520
So shout out to the Lorenzo for
that, and they you know, paper

1063
01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:33.319
clipped it. And then of course
the great Alex Harris. Maybe you helped

1064
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:42.479
hand him out as we were going
through the different Martins and our presentation because

1065
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:45.760
we didn't want people jumping ahead.
But yeah, no, it was kind

1066
01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:51.800
of like like a audible type of
thing, you know, like I realized

1067
01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:59.720
that our our presentation would be more
effective. And some of the people had

1068
01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.800
actual print outs in the documents in
front of them, and that's why I

1069
01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:08.079
put them on at least thirty tables. Right. Well, look, I'm

1070
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:12.079
going to bring a pile of press
photos with me to answer this year,

1071
01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:15.600
which I might just offer for sale
at my table if people want to buy

1072
01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:16.600
them off me, because I have
a bunch of them that I don't need,

1073
01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:23.479
uh And one of them you might
be interested in that that wire photo

1074
01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:29.439
of what was it one of the
Martins there that I just came across in

1075
01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:33.920
my in my election. Yeah,
yeah, so I'll bring it, but

1076
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:38.840
I'll did you get my reply to
that? Yeah? I did, But

1077
01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:41.680
I'm just letting you know that I'll
probably just bring that along and if you

1078
01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:45.479
remind me around then i'll just I'll
just give that one to you if you

1079
01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:51.399
want. But yeah, they're very
low pictures of him. Yeah, we

1080
01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:58.640
we were months into our Martin journey
before we sawn a picture. Well,

1081
01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:02.000
you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised
some of the strange, sort of tangential

1082
01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:08.800
figures I have in photographs from the
wire, photos from different events ranging from

1083
01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:13.319
you know, the Garrison trial and
the JFK movie all the way to you

1084
01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:18.560
know, the days immediately after the
assassination UPI and Associated Press together. I

1085
01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:21.680
got a bunch of them. So
and I actually have some other ones that

1086
01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:26.479
were in newspaper archives and stuff like
that that you know, had been disseminated

1087
01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:29.199
afterwards. And I'm going to bring
a pile of that stuff with me to

1088
01:29:29.399 --> 01:29:32.439
Lancer this year. Anyways, Joe, great to hear from you obviously again.

1089
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:38.960
Yeah, and you guys are still
doing the Lone Gunman live on YouTube?

1090
01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:43.319
What every so often? How often
is that? So we do it

1091
01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:47.520
once a week right now? We're
doing it on Friday night at our episode

1092
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:57.880
actually just dropped at seven pm this
evening. It was with an author who

1093
01:29:58.119 --> 01:30:03.000
had wrote a book about Jack me
last year, Jefferson Morley recently is uh

1094
01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:13.399
interviewed him and it's a fascinating conversation. I definitely, Uh, I would

1095
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:17.800
suggest that everyone check it out.
And uh yeah, no, it's you

1096
01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:25.279
know, like it's one of those
things like even if you don't uh agree

1097
01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:31.239
with the author's particular conclusion, there
are there's context to be gained, right,

1098
01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:36.560
No, definitely, there's there's information. Well, yeah, like Jack

1099
01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:44.039
Ruby's early life. I had no
idea that Ruby is of a fifth of

1100
01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:47.119
eight children, you know, his
best friend what was a wool frame and

1101
01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:55.199
sponsor and fame and then uh uh
a famous war hero in the Pacific and

1102
01:30:55.600 --> 01:31:00.840
World War Two and uh, it
it's deep, you know, but it's

1103
01:31:01.159 --> 01:31:09.359
it. It gives you context.
Well you know, yeah, please do

1104
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:12.800
and check it out The Loan Gunman
on YouTube. And while you're on YouTube,

1105
01:31:13.079 --> 01:31:15.560
Joe, why don't you go check
out I was on Blaze TV this

1106
01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:20.039
past Friday on uh on what was
it the Pat Gray Show on Glenn Beck's

1107
01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:25.600
TV network, and uh they had
me on as the JFK experts. So

1108
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:30.800
I I think it's an interesting piece
of video because I'm not often on TV,

1109
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:35.239
so you might want to take a
look at that. Sure, will

1110
01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:39.159
I'll take I'll take. Yeah,
I'll get you a link. I'll email

1111
01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:42.640
it to you when I'm done with
my show tonight. Anyways, good to

1112
01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:45.600
hear from now, and I'll tell
you something online that you'll get a kickout.

1113
01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:50.119
Excellent. Joe Burrell, Joe Scooter
Brelli, everybody, Uh you know

1114
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:53.920
the guy, the guy who uh
you know, uh, he fought the

1115
01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:58.520
scooter and the scooter one Atlanta this
past year, but he claims he will

1116
01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:02.399
redeem himself in twenty four at the
Lancer conference. So meanwhile, we got

1117
01:32:02.439 --> 01:32:05.800
another caller and I want to get
to them, and then we'll probably take

1118
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:10.600
another quick break and that'll be the
last one. We'll run it out until

1119
01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:14.800
ten pm when Aaron Franz gets started, and we'll get back around to everybody

1120
01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:17.319
who remained on the line as well. You're live on the air. What's

1121
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:21.800
on your mind? Who are you? Hey, Chuck? This is Danny.

1122
01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:27.800
Oh, Danny, Yeah, Hey, how you doing? How you

1123
01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:30.800
doing? Perspective? You were talking, I'm doing great. You were talking

1124
01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:40.039
about how the distrust of the government
with the JFK assassination. That used to

1125
01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:43.359
be you're corrected. I know out
here in California it was always on the

1126
01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:48.279
left. I remember being in junior
high and high school. Local college newspapers

1127
01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:53.760
used to always see these advertisements in
the back there, like the personal Lands

1128
01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:58.720
said the CIA killed JFK. And
then we had may Brussell you catch her

1129
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:05.079
basically on like left Wade college radio
stations. But there was a shift starting

1130
01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:09.520
in the eighties with Twronald Reagan that
you know, hig, I'm from the

1131
01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:13.399
government, don't trust the government.
Then when the movie came out, there

1132
01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:18.359
was there was a shift where the
right started questioning the whole assassination. That's

1133
01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:24.359
just my observation. Yeah, does
that make sense. Yeah, but but

1134
01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:28.439
to me it's based on not necessarily
the left and the right per se,

1135
01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:32.239
but it's more about whichever, you
know, side of the equation was more

1136
01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:35.640
into questioning the government. And it
seems like to me, the left,

1137
01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:42.000
the mainstream left anyway, you know, goes to the government as a primary

1138
01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:46.159
source of trust, so they're not
asking the question anymore, you know,

1139
01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:50.159
about what did the government have something
to do with this? Whereas your right

1140
01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:56.319
wingers, your more mainstream right wingers
for sure, are way distrustful of government

1141
01:33:56.399 --> 01:34:00.399
agencies and all that stuff, and
that you know, swims per dubtails nicely

1142
01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:04.680
with guess what, you know,
the government lied to us about Kennedy's assassination.

1143
01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:08.840
So it makes sense to me that
they're all picking up on it now,

1144
01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:12.439
you know, if that is their
current stance, that's the way it's

1145
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.560
going to go. And when I
was a kid, it was the left

1146
01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:18.520
that was questioning the government. It
seemed like all the time, you know,

1147
01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:24.039
are they doing the right things?
The ACLU was actually doing its job

1148
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:29.159
right, looking out for whoever's civil
liberties were being violated, even if they

1149
01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:32.680
didn't agree with them, which is
now currently not part of their charter from

1150
01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:38.199
what I understand, you know,
but that was a different orientation at that

1151
01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:42.600
time. It seemed like the adherents
to the government, Trust the government,

1152
01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:47.359
trust the government were the Reagan babies, were the Reagan adults who were all

1153
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:53.239
on board with we're so glad the
Gippers in the White House. So they

1154
01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:58.479
didn't want to question the Kennedy assassination
because why is the government covering things up?

1155
01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:00.600
We don't want to ask that question. Must be the government had it

1156
01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:05.720
right, trust him Oswald did it, but that shifted and I think you're

1157
01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:10.880
right, it's right around the JFK
movie, because well, Oliver Stone's a

1158
01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:14.119
left wing nut job. We got
to oppose him. I don't know,

1159
01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:17.880
that's my best guess, you know. So that's the way I what I

1160
01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:23.840
witnessed was the because I remember,
finally they you know, we just had

1161
01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:30.560
the anniversary of Martin Luther King being
assassinated, correct, and that I remember

1162
01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:35.680
in that June Robert F. Kennedy
was assassinated, and you know, I

1163
01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:42.159
have memories of that, and at
that time, they represented the anti war

1164
01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:48.199
more left perspective, and like you
said, as as time grew, there

1165
01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:53.760
was a shift as the conservatives kind
of had the attitude that in the conservative

1166
01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:58.560
small community I grew up in the
family was you need to be patriotic and

1167
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:01.920
believe in the government. There was
not a lot of questioning these institutions,

1168
01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:08.840
where the left was questioning the institutions
because of they were anti war civil rights.

1169
01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:12.000
I mean, there was just this
paradigm of being opposed to each other.

1170
01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:15.840
And there has been a shift because
I remember it was back kind of

1171
01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:20.239
like lou George H. Bush and
Clinton. It started I call it the

1172
01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:28.560
black helicopter crowd. They started prevailing
those you know in talk radio was being

1173
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:32.560
born too, so they started having
the voice If that makes sense, No,

1174
01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:36.479
that makes perfect sense. And you
know you're saying the black helicopter crowd.

1175
01:36:38.279 --> 01:36:42.279
It's funny. That makes me think
of a cartoon. And I'm trying

1176
01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:45.359
to think of what year it was, but there was. It was King

1177
01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:48.319
of the Hill. It was a
popular cartoon on Fox, and they had

1178
01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:54.560
a character on there named Dale Gribble
and I'm gonna have to find that clip

1179
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.960
because one of the first shows they
ran on there. I remember watching this

1180
01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:03.000
on broadcast TV and he was the
conspiracy theorist on the show. And as

1181
01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:06.439
a matter of fact, he has
a whole meltdown actually when he starts to

1182
01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:12.119
think that he questioned the Warren Commission
incorrectly, and he's like, wait a

1183
01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:14.359
minute, it's supposed to be from
the south side of the Knole, not

1184
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:16.520
the north side of the Knowle.
And he starts freaking out for you know,

1185
01:37:16.680 --> 01:37:21.279
thirty minutes because he had something wrong, and then he goes and becomes

1186
01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:27.439
this It's funny because he becomes a
full on trust the government patriot after he

1187
01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:31.399
realizes that he was we had the
wrong direction north or south of the knowole

1188
01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:36.760
somehow, and yah, yeah it
was hilarious. But one of the first

1189
01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:40.800
episodes they ever aired, I'm gonna
see if I can find the clip he

1190
01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:44.079
goes. He goes, well,
you know, he says something crazy about,

1191
01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:45.279
you know, the government's gonna come
and get you. They're gonna stick

1192
01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:48.800
you into CIA black side or whatever. And Hank Hill, who's a true

1193
01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:53.600
believer American, goes, where did
you get that crazy nonsense? And he

1194
01:37:53.680 --> 01:38:00.319
goes, I went to ww dot
black dot, helicopter dot com. Yeah,

1195
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:02.439
you know, and it was longer
than that, was like ww dot

1196
01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:08.960
black dot slash government dot slash helicopter, you know, like this huge long

1197
01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:13.840
back then you had to know the
addresses to find stuff on the Internet.

1198
01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:16.199
It's just it was hilarious that that's
where he got it from. And then

1199
01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:20.640
the guys that are all standing around
that we're going to question him just decide

1200
01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:25.720
forget it. He's getting it off
the internet. Forget it. And it's

1201
01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:30.399
just really funny if you put that
in context with like today's culture, Uh,

1202
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:35.239
that's hilarious. So anyway, get
a Dale. I don't remember that

1203
01:38:35.359 --> 01:38:40.680
episode that I remember one that he
was really concerned his father came out.

1204
01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:44.520
Dale's father came out as gay,
but that wasn't the issue he was worried

1205
01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:46.680
about. He was gone government,
well, he had gone. He was

1206
01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:49.840
worried about two things. One,
at first he thought that he was trying

1207
01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:54.840
to hook up with his wife and
didn't realize that his father was gay,

1208
01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:58.960
even though it was wholly obvious.
And then he finds out. He goes,

1209
01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:00.039
you're rejecting me because I'm gay,
And he goes, no, it's

1210
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:05.960
because you believe in the government,
and he freaks out. And the whole

1211
01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:12.560
time it did seem like he is
so actively ignoring the fact that his father

1212
01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:15.960
is gay that it must be that's
why he's rejecting him, right, But

1213
01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:19.159
no, that's not it. It's
because he's willing to I don't know,

1214
01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:26.880
file his taxes or something something really
like small, you know, and he's

1215
01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:30.439
like, no, but you believe
in the government. Uh he freaks out.

1216
01:39:31.239 --> 01:39:36.640
Yeah. So anyway, No,
that is true. But all this

1217
01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:40.520
stuff, though, is funny because
again, if you look at the comedy

1218
01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:45.359
side of it and the way that
they demonstrated you know how you know,

1219
01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:49.600
how things shifted over time, right, and you go from the left to

1220
01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:54.920
the right regarding a question like the
Kennedy assassination, and people are starting to

1221
01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:58.199
notice, why is it that Fox
News people, why is it that all

1222
01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:02.039
these right wing people are are very
suddenly taking it very seriously when a couple

1223
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:08.279
of years ago, even they would
not have entertained a JFK assassination researcher,

1224
01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:12.800
They would not have taken it seriously
or looked at it or questioned it or

1225
01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:16.079
anything except they told us that,
you know, Trump was gonna dump all

1226
01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:20.039
the documents. Outside of that,
Over the past ten years, these people

1227
01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:25.960
said nothing, and they're in the
business and now they have to do segments

1228
01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:29.359
on this, they have to address
it. You know, it's it's weird.

1229
01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:31.800
I might have that clip. Hang
on a second, I might actually

1230
01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:35.199
have that clip here. Let's see
if I got it, because let's see,

1231
01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:38.439
it looks like it's about a one
minute clip. Let's see if it

1232
01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:43.720
is. Hometown knows it sounds like
your hoard going off. You really think,

1233
01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:47.119
so, well, oh yeah,
damn it, Hank. You know,

1234
01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:51.840
I can't have loud sudden noises while
I'm meditating. I was a nose

1235
01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:59.600
hair away from attaining inner fees.
Yeah, don't even try to take credit

1236
01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:03.000
for that. It was not done
by me. It was done through me.

1237
01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:11.920
What is that shinging noise? One
of those stealth helicopters with computerized noise

1238
01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:16.680
cancelation capability. They're still working the
chains out. Wow. Do you know

1239
01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:23.239
about stealth help coups? Oh dot
conspiracy dot black dot helicopters. Yeah,

1240
01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:25.600
man, I'll tell you what that
dang on internet, mane you just going

1241
01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:28.640
on there and point and click getting
in there talking about ww dot W call

1242
01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:30.840
me you got the naked chicks on
there? Man? You go click clicklick,

1243
01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:33.840
click, click, click lick.
It's real lazy man. There you

1244
01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:39.520
go. That's the clip I was
thinking of. Tell me that's not great

1245
01:41:39.640 --> 01:41:42.840
now you've brought that memory up.
I do remember that. But so that

1246
01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:45.239
was great and I love it because, you know, boom Hower just responded

1247
01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:50.920
to me you could naked chicks on
there. Man. I was watching that

1248
01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:57.239
when it ran on the air the
first time, and I just fell over

1249
01:41:57.399 --> 01:42:00.000
laughing watching like I thought that was
the most hilariousest thing I'd ever seen on

1250
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:04.439
TV. H hilarious. Yes,
it reminds me of a story. I'm

1251
01:42:04.439 --> 01:42:09.760
going to take a little sideboard at
that time. My son, my kids,

1252
01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:13.079
I got them far more computer savvy
than I am. And he's in

1253
01:42:13.279 --> 01:42:16.359
tech now. But I got a
computer, and my wife got really concerned.

1254
01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:18.880
She goes, you need to go
talk to your son. He was

1255
01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:23.479
kind of pre teen about you know, what he might be looking on the

1256
01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:28.239
computer on the computer or what he
was looking at. So I can front

1257
01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:30.479
of him. I hey, I
asked him, Hey, are you checking

1258
01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:33.800
out girls or something or porn?
Because I'm not that savvy with it,

1259
01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:36.039
I go on the computer, and
you know, he looked at me.

1260
01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:40.119
He's rolls, goes, Dad,
it's a rip off. And I go,

1261
01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:42.399
that's an odd answer. I go, why do you say that,

1262
01:42:42.520 --> 01:42:48.359
goes? I don't have a credit
card. Oh yeah, I went and

1263
01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:50.640
told my wife. I go,
I go. I told mom, I

1264
01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:58.239
go, hey, don't worry about
it. He's fine, tell me the

1265
01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:00.439
trip. He goes, if I
had a credit card, yeah, be

1266
01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:03.680
on there see And there's the funny
that tells me what time period it was.

1267
01:43:03.880 --> 01:43:09.279
Because nowadays the porno's pretty you know, you can get plenty of porno

1268
01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:14.439
for free, what I'm told apparently, but back then that was true if

1269
01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:16.720
you wanted to see a naked woman
and take twenty minutes to download a picture

1270
01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:23.039
of it. Yeah, they they
wanted a credit card from you. You

1271
01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:26.439
know. There there was a south
Park episode that that you know, again,

1272
01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:30.479
I love cartoons. There was a
south Park episode that that totally encapsulated

1273
01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:34.920
this where the Internet dries up.
So everybody tries to migrate toward California to

1274
01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:41.560
get the internet. And they're they're
in like this refugee camp for people and

1275
01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:45.239
uh, and they go, look, we got a simulator for your online

1276
01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:49.720
porno. And the guy goes in
and they're drawing pictures of stuff that he's

1277
01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:55.119
saying, and he says the word
click and it's a weird scene. And

1278
01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:57.479
he comes out of the tent and
he goes, well, that was just

1279
01:43:57.640 --> 01:44:00.399
a terrible ripoff. And they go, well, give me your credit card.

1280
01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:02.560
We got to charge you fifty bucks. And he goes, well,

1281
01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:08.119
at least that's like the Internet,
because that's what it was. It was

1282
01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:10.720
like they would charge you fifty bucks
on a credit card. So he had

1283
01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:14.119
access to a porno site at one
point and that was the way it went.

1284
01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:19.079
But that that business model has changed
over the years. And yeah,

1285
01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:24.399
my son educated me and your son
told you that that's the way it was,

1286
01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:26.479
like, you know what, man, I can go to these websites

1287
01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.279
and they tell I can see hot
girls and everything else, but I don't

1288
01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:31.399
have a credit card, so I
can't do nothing about it, which is

1289
01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:38.439
exactly that's It's not like I didn't
try. It's such a positive though,

1290
01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:42.000
because two reasons why it's a positive, I bet you one that you didn't

1291
01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:45.119
think of though. One of them
is great because he's honest with you,

1292
01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:47.720
and you pointed that one out.
But here's the other one. He didn't

1293
01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.319
get to the point where he decided
to steal your credit card and make that

1294
01:44:51.479 --> 01:44:57.279
work for him, now, did
he. So he had a line there

1295
01:44:57.319 --> 01:45:00.960
that he drew regarding the porno,
and he didn't deal your credit card.

1296
01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:06.119
So there you go. There you
go. So he was honest and not

1297
01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:13.000
a thief. So you have two
positives there, Danny. Yeah, thank

1298
01:45:13.079 --> 01:45:16.840
you anyway, You're welcome. And
by the way, thank you because you

1299
01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:19.880
I'm not going to say what or
anything else, but you made a contribution

1300
01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:25.199
this week and I really appreciate it. Oh, you're welcome, you know,

1301
01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:29.159
and and that is always helpful keeps
us going here, helps me pay

1302
01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:31.359
the bills for the phones and everything
else, which, by the way,

1303
01:45:31.439 --> 01:45:35.319
I got the big Internet bill coming
up this month and about about a week,

1304
01:45:35.399 --> 01:45:39.199
I guess, uh no, ten
days, ten days, I got

1305
01:45:39.279 --> 01:45:43.039
to pay the big bill. So
you know, contributions right now are helpful

1306
01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:45.840
and gathering them up to take care
of it, to make sure that we

1307
01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:49.399
keep getting the podcasts out and everything
else. So I appreciate it, well,

1308
01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:53.880
I appreciate the what you do.
Thank you, Thank you, Danny.

1309
01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:56.840
Anyways, Danny, I'm sure I
would love to hear from you on

1310
01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:59.319
another Friday night, but believe it
or not, we're down to, like

1311
01:45:59.359 --> 01:46:01.960
say, the last eleven twelve minutes, and I know I got Jimmy James

1312
01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:04.800
I've been meaning to get back to
and he's been on hold this whole time.

1313
01:46:05.399 --> 01:46:09.199
So I'm not gonna take another commercial
break. I'm gonna go to Jimmy

1314
01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:13.439
and maybe he'll help me close out
the show here because I don't see any

1315
01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:15.520
of you other guys calling in three
pine nine, five, two seven,

1316
01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:19.119
five zero one six if you want
to join, but otherwise, this show

1317
01:46:19.239 --> 01:46:24.039
is over at ten pm Eastern,
which is now about eleven minutes away,

1318
01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:29.319
and Aaron Franz begins with the Age
of Transitions, So that's gonna be that

1319
01:46:29.520 --> 01:46:31.000
for the week. And uh,
I guess that means I got to turn

1320
01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:35.079
to Jimmy James come back around to
him because he's the only one that hung

1321
01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:41.560
out. So Jimmy, there you
are. We got the honest and dishonest

1322
01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:45.039
answer about internet porno from Danny's kid
from years ago. We got a clip

1323
01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:48.760
of King of the Hill, which
I thought was hilarious, especially at the

1324
01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:51.119
time it ran on TV. I
thought it was one of the funniest things

1325
01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:56.159
I ever heard. Any thoughts you
want to throw in here? In the

1326
01:46:56.239 --> 01:47:02.279
last ten minutes of the show,
Jimmy, that link I posted was from

1327
01:47:02.479 --> 01:47:10.800
MPR and it is Gerald Posner.
I'd listened to the podcast version, but

1328
01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:16.520
apparently he's even got a book about
it called God's Bankers, Really, and

1329
01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:24.640
it's actually very good about the Vatican
scandal. And Danny, he sounds like

1330
01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:28.159
he was a Brussels sprout, and
as you know, I was too,

1331
01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:35.840
and I love May But you got
to move on beyond the research from the

1332
01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:41.039
seventies. Correct. Oh, absolutely, Look, I got those cassettes when

1333
01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:45.520
I was a kid, and I
wasn't on the mail somebody else was on

1334
01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:47.840
the mailing list. I didn't sign
up for May's mailing list, but I

1335
01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:51.760
got those cassettes and these little letters
that she used to send in with them,

1336
01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:57.039
which apparently she was packaging by hand
after she did her radio show in

1337
01:47:57.119 --> 01:48:00.640
Carmel, and she would send them
out. And then for a while she

1338
01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:03.680
wasn't on the radio. She was
just doing him at home, and she

1339
01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:08.039
had all sorts of difficulties taping and
everything else. And I was called,

1340
01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:13.560
uh, what was it? World
watchers, right? And she was kind

1341
01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:18.079
of first podcaster. Yeah, literally
physically sending out her podcast, so to

1342
01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:23.399
speak. And we'll call on them. Matt Rascal, I can't believe he

1343
01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:30.800
what a what a character? Doesn't
he realize that under my spreaker game guys

1344
01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:40.960
of Citizen X, that I,
uh kept pushing him patiently toward him and

1345
01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:46.880
Doug starting the second show there that
they do together the quick hits, and

1346
01:48:47.079 --> 01:48:54.640
I and I that's right, And
I was the guy that kept pushing h

1347
01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:02.079
I keep wanting to say, Bob
Clark, Rob Clark, Rob Clark,

1348
01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:05.640
big bad Bob Park there. I'm
the one that kept pushing them to go

1349
01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:12.119
check out the Harold Wiseber files really
so I've been a long time and both

1350
01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:18.600
of those characters, but what have
I got you? Well, look,

1351
01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:24.760
I believe in giving credit where credits
do Jimmy, So just like I recognized

1352
01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:28.319
Danny for making a contribution this week, I want to recognize you for doing

1353
01:49:28.399 --> 01:49:31.520
that as well, because you guys
are kicking in on what's going to be

1354
01:49:31.560 --> 01:49:36.920
the big bad bill coming up in
about ten days, and that is most

1355
01:49:36.960 --> 01:49:40.920
important. And by the way,
if you're a listener outside of being Jimmy

1356
01:49:41.079 --> 01:49:45.039
or Danny, okay, you can
kick in just by using the donation button

1357
01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:50.079
atochelli dot com, or you can
make a tip on my link tree or

1358
01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:54.279
whatever. Get in touch with me
if you want to do it another way,

1359
01:49:55.159 --> 01:50:00.359
send me an email. Blind JFK
Researcher at gmail dot com. Be

1360
01:50:00.439 --> 01:50:02.399
more than happy to figure out a
way to make your contribution work if you

1361
01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:06.560
want to kick into keeping this going
as is, the network only has myself,

1362
01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:12.479
Aaron and Uncle on it at the
moment. That could change, although

1363
01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:15.479
I don't see it changing in the
very near future. A couple of people

1364
01:50:15.560 --> 01:50:20.880
presented ideas about adding shows, and
I am adding a couple of replays to

1365
01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:27.159
the twenty four to seven radio network
that are new, but I have not

1366
01:50:27.399 --> 01:50:32.359
added any brand new live hosts.
I'm being very selective about that right now,

1367
01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:36.720
so I don't have anybody potentially that
really is up for it. It

1368
01:50:36.800 --> 01:50:43.600
seems like or that doesn't have a
grudge against me or something. So it

1369
01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:45.119
is what it is, and we're
going to continue doing this. But even

1370
01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:49.600
if I was here all by myself, these costs would be about the same

1371
01:50:49.680 --> 01:50:55.159
anyway, So I appreciate you guys
who do kick in have kicked in.

1372
01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:58.199
And by the way, if you
sign up as a regular supporter, you

1373
01:50:58.239 --> 01:51:01.439
can get on the list and get
the zips once a month, which I'm

1374
01:51:01.439 --> 01:51:05.199
about ready to send out the April
zip files which will be coming this week,

1375
01:51:06.239 --> 01:51:09.760
and you're gonna get ten years worth
archive. Yeah, go ahead.

1376
01:51:09.800 --> 01:51:15.039
Hey, do you do me a
favor and mail me last months once again?

1377
01:51:15.399 --> 01:51:19.439
Because I couldn't download him last month
because the internet was all wacky.

1378
01:51:20.159 --> 01:51:27.600
Ah, so I still got downloaded
last month. Well send me. I

1379
01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:30.279
have a couple of emails for you, so send me the email, like,

1380
01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:32.800
send me an email from the address
that you want him send to and

1381
01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:39.720
I'll get that done this weekend.
I promise you all right, and I

1382
01:51:39.880 --> 01:51:45.439
want to make my grand JFK conclusion, which really ticks me off because it

1383
01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:50.560
was my exact same conclusion Plint with
a little kid. I've come full circle.

1384
01:51:51.479 --> 01:51:57.920
Oh how I aggrevating. I remember
watching in school I'll Film Around,

1385
01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:01.439
you know, back in the day, and it had Harold Wiseberg and is

1386
01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:06.760
actually a really good film for a
school film. And I remember after watching

1387
01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:15.439
it thinking, well, the Cubans
did it, and I wasn't politically sophisticated

1388
01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:20.920
enough done. I couldn't understand why
there was Cubans there and Cubans in the

1389
01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:27.159
US, and I wasn't clear on
which side they're on. I'm like,

1390
01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:30.199
well, I don't know if there's
our Cubans or their Cubans, but is

1391
01:52:30.279 --> 01:52:35.119
the Cubans. And now I find
myself pretty much in the same position.

1392
01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:43.319
I mean, yeah, there were
some CIA officers apparently, but I'm at

1393
01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:49.760
the same position now because of Major
Newman's findings, I'm like, well,

1394
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:56.239
it's Cubans, and now I'm not
so sure that it is right wing Cubans,

1395
01:52:56.319 --> 01:53:00.039
even though That's what I've been thinking
for at least the last decade.

1396
01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:06.479
But anyways, thanks piece everyone,
Thank you, Jimmy James appreciate you,

1397
01:53:06.640 --> 01:53:10.439
And I'll tell you it's funny because
I feel like I've kind of come full

1398
01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:15.960
circle as well. When I started
to study the details of the hit in

1399
01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:18.199
Dealey Plaza, to be honest with
you, I felt like it must be

1400
01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:26.520
a military operation. And then when
I started studying it, I couldn't figure

1401
01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:30.439
out how, why, whatever,
And I'm not saying whose military it is,

1402
01:53:30.520 --> 01:53:34.239
but it seemed like I got dispossessed
of that pretty quick and got on

1403
01:53:34.439 --> 01:53:39.720
the CIA must have had something to
do with it bandwagon. Well I'm still

1404
01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:45.199
on that bandwagon where the CIA had
something to do with it and certainly actively,

1405
01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:50.439
happily, readily, enthusiastically participated in
the cover up. But I got

1406
01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:53.920
to tell you that once again,
when I take a look at some of

1407
01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:59.079
the interesting facts that have emerged,
some of the things that have taken decades

1408
01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:02.920
to get at because the studies were
not there and nobody applied different sciences,

1409
01:54:04.119 --> 01:54:10.760
it seems like I'm coming back around
to a military style operation that maybe did

1410
01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:17.560
not go according to plan. And
can I lay it out with some names

1411
01:54:17.640 --> 01:54:21.600
on it? Actually I can?
Am I going to do it here on

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my podcast with two minutes left on
the live call in show. No,

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am I going to do it sometime? Yes? But when and where?

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And exactly how much evidence I'm going
to have to back up the conclusions I

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have on this That may vary.
And I am testing and retesting many a

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thing and looking at the backgrounds of
some things photographs included, looking at the

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01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:51.800
times and places where people should be
and should not be, and finding out

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01:54:51.880 --> 01:54:58.680
certain things about that, including the
fact that one of the suspects I have

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01:54:58.880 --> 01:55:02.960
in mind seems to probably have a
gun only you know, an hour or

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two before that odd meeting on the
way to the luncheon that should have taken

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01:55:10.760 --> 01:55:15.960
place at the trademark right, that
ended up in a rush to the hospital.

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But are there more things to discuss? Absolutely? Is there lots of

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politics to get to always? Are
there murders and mayhems and everything else?

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01:55:26.359 --> 01:55:29.119
And oh, by the way,
are you afraid of the eclipse? Are

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01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:32.279
you afraid of the Iranians? Are
you ready to duck and cover because the

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01:55:32.439 --> 01:55:39.000
terrorists are coming? Is China gonna
wipe us all out? Anyway? With

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another bug? You know, aside
from the Covidian thing that happened and whatnot?

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01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:45.439
You know, et cetera, et
cetera. I'm not allowed to say

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01:55:45.479 --> 01:55:53.039
that very loud anywhere apparently, And
am I a conspiracy theorist? Not really,

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01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:56.960
because a lot of my theories now
have way too much evidence to merely

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01:55:57.079 --> 01:56:04.359
be a theory. But your experiences
could absolutely vary. So no matter who

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01:56:04.439 --> 01:56:06.720
you are, where you are,
or when you are, I want you

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01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:11.680
to remember that I am merely o'celly. All of you are indeed the effect,

1434
01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:15.560
and you can be even more of
the effect if you make a contribution

1435
01:56:15.720 --> 01:56:18.079
at ocelly dot com. There is
a donate button there. There are many

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ways to do it. If you
can't figure out a way to operate the

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01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:27.119
paypals and other things on the interwebs
by all means, email me or have

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01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:30.880
somebody email me. Since you can't
figure out the interwebs, have somebody email

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01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:35.479
me blind JFK researcher at gmail dot
com, which is also my PayPal address

1440
01:56:35.520 --> 01:56:39.640
if you want to use it,
and if nothing else, I can always

1441
01:56:39.640 --> 01:56:43.000
send you a PayPal met link which
has simple instructions. But if not,

1442
01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:45.840
we can figure out a way to
snail mail things if you can wrap it

1443
01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:51.720
very carefully and not everything is money
either there's other contributions that could be made

1444
01:56:53.199 --> 01:56:57.279
and if you're interested in doing that, let me know as well. So

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01:56:57.840 --> 01:57:00.159
that's that. Another Friday Night in
the book, says met Pete would say,

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01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:03.319
but he wasn't here this week.
So no matter who you are,

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01:57:03.399 --> 01:57:06.880
where you are, when you are, I hope you're doing well. Upnext

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01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:12.760
on Theocelly dot com Radio network and
on all the live streams, The Age

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01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:17.199
of Transitions with Aaron Fronz at ten
pm Eastern and then Uncle the podcast