1 00:00:04,839 --> 00:04:44,800 The the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 2 00:00:50,159 --> 00:01:38,519 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 3 00:01:38,959 --> 00:02:39,719 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 4 00:02:44,479 --> 00:03:46,280 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 5 00:03:49,240 --> 00:04:39,519 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 6 00:04:41,759 --> 00:05:33,560 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 7 00:05:35,040 --> 00:06:30,240 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 8 00:06:31,279 --> 00:07:16,560 the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the 9 00:07:29,959 --> 00:08:11,800 the the the the the All Right, what's up. Welcome Today, We're 10 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,759 gonna be talking about a topic that I know quite a bit about. I 11 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:22,000 did choose to pursue this topic at a graduate level, and so this is 12 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:30,920 why I got interested in the connection between intelligence agencies and the entertainment industry. 13 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,279 Was precisely because when I first came across this idea in the early two thousands, 14 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,039 I kind of thought it sounded crazy. I'd never heard of this. 15 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:45,720 I was a movie buff. I loved movies, and I always enjoyed spy 16 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,039 movies. I thought they were one of the cooler of the genres of Hollywood 17 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:56,159 movies. And then I remember, as I was reading a lot of espionage 18 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:05,039 stuff, reading a lot of what we might call kunchpiel wishie feel weeesh, 19 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:11,360 I noticed that a lot of times you would see things that were real operations 20 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:13,799 in the spy world be like, oh, that sounds like that one movie. 21 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,799 Well, this is kind of like that other movie, and you know, 22 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,679 making connections in your head, noticing patterns as normal human beings do, 23 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,600 which I guess we're not supposed to do that anymore. It's not normal to 24 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:30,240 do that. You're you're a bad person if you do that. I started 25 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,240 realizing that, well, there's a lot of reality and fiction going on at 26 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:37,799 the same time, right when it comes to movies. And then I remember 27 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:46,159 the first time I ever encountered this idea was probably when you first hear stories 28 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,120 of like the connections between Marilyn Monroe and JFK, because you start wondering, 29 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:58,720 well, here's this Hollywood starlet and she has this ignominious death. She seems 30 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:03,480 to be connected to ma few people, and not just JFK and RFK, 31 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,559 but intelligence people via RKJFK and via the mob. People like I believe she 32 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:16,559 for a while dated Sam Giancana Momo. So you start to wonder, well, 33 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,559 maybe there's more going on here. And then some years ago there was 34 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,519 a book that came out. Let's talk about that first. One of the 35 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:31,120 first books that came out treating of this topic in the academic world. So 36 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,679 notice I'm not talking about people writing conspiracy stuff, talking about what's considered normative 37 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:43,399 academia was this book Operation Hollywood. And this book came out because right after 38 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,759 the Big Nine event, this book was published in two thousand and four, 39 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:54,519 people started noticing quite a bit of connection between Pentagon offices, agencies, proposals 40 00:10:56,279 --> 00:11:01,279 put forth by the Pentagon, two various studios. So academic began digging into 41 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,840 this. They were interested in propaganda at that time, right in the post 42 00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:11,639 Big Nine event world. And so you got this treatment by a scholar. 43 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,679 I don't know which university rob is out of, but David Robb is writing 44 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,120 for one of the one of the mainline academic publishers. It's Prometheus Publishing. 45 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,600 But that's connected to the whole academic world, right, because if you don't 46 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:31,159 know, like in publishing, there's pop publishing, and then there's there's usually 47 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,519 another domain that's a publisher from a university, right, University of Texas or 48 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,720 Notre Dame Right. Academic publishing is kind of its own world apart from pop 49 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:48,759 publishing, So usually you'll find these types of books or people writing and publishing 50 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:54,840 through universities or university connected presses. And the book notes that the US military 51 00:11:54,879 --> 00:12:01,200 itself kind of operates like a corporation, and it talks about going back to 52 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:07,879 the days of Burne's whenever Brene's Now that that's just the introductory part of the 53 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:13,679 book. The book itself is about all of the different scripts and censoring that 54 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:20,639 occurred throughout the nine eighties and nineties to various scripts. So for example, 55 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:30,200 Independence Day movies that related to operations of UH Clear like Clear Present Danger, 56 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,320 Jack Ryan, those kinds of stories, right that the Pentagon, the CIA, 57 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:37,120 the different agencies had quite a bit of involvement in those types of scripts, 58 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,399 and you can see why there's movies like TV shows like Jag which I 59 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:50,720 think was a popular CBS show, a lot of military and CIA spy type 60 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:52,679 movies that you would expect, but sometimes it's movies that you wouldn't expect, 61 00:12:52,720 --> 00:13:00,960 like Independence Day having Pentagon consultation and what then what you realize is that, 62 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,440 well, is there more to this, right, because he talks about how, 63 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,360 for example, the Jessica Lynch story, which was a famous piece of 64 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:16,519 propaganda for women in the military, that it wasn't too long after this that 65 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:24,600 you got Saving Private Lynch and you got g I Jane right with Demi Moore. 66 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,600 All of that was propaganda for promoting the idea of women at a great 67 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,720 greater numbers in the military and women on the front lines, and all of 68 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:41,200 that was drawn up and strategized by in those cases Pentagon military connected individuals. 69 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:45,000 But it's not just the Navy and the Army and the Air Force. Right. 70 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,960 You can think back to movies in the eighties, like what was it 71 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:56,840 Iron, the one with lou Gossip Junior. Those are Air Force movies, 72 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,200 right, They promote the Air Force in the nineteen eighties. You guys know 73 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,679 what I'm talking about. I never actually watched these. I always thought they 74 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,720 were really stupid. But there's quite a bit of these, Like there was 75 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:11,759 a bunch of the Navy Seals with Charlie Sheen top gun. These were kind 76 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:16,600 of Pentagon aided and promoted. And I was saying, the Pentagon made them, 77 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:22,639 they hire directors, but they will insert messages, insert propaganda into the 78 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:26,840 films. And this was very popular in the nineteen eighties and nineties. This 79 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,879 book covers that quite a bit because again this was written in two thousand and 80 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:33,120 four, so this is one of the earlier academic texts treating this topic, 81 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,720 showing yes, Blackhawk down. Now as we get up into the two thousand 82 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:43,559 Iron Eagle, thank you Roy Brandon. Yet Iron Eagle with lou Gusta Junior, 83 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:48,679 those are like Air Force promoting movies. So and this is well known 84 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,639 and well documented, right that in the eighties and nineties we had a lot 85 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:54,960 of this, especially in the Reagan era, pushing this stuff through movies. 86 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,960 Now, as we get into two thousands, it doesn't change except that it 87 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,639 seems to be more and more focused towards intelligence stuff. So whereas in the 88 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:11,320 eighties and nineties it was a lot of you know military, yeah, exactly, 89 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,000 the submarine movies. There's like, you know, late eighties, early 90 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:22,879 nineties, there's like five six seven, you know, super submarine movies. 91 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:30,200 Remember all those. You got Sean Connery, you got Wesley Pipes, you 92 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:33,440 got I mean, I don't I can't even keep up with all the submarine 93 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,240 movies, but that was all Yeah rd October, thank you so much. 94 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:45,039 Yeah, all those movies were also part of this phenomena. In the two 95 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,200 thousands, though, it seems to shift, and some of the people involved 96 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,200 in writing on this have noted that there was a shift in moving away from 97 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:56,360 straight up military. I mean there's still military propaganda. Katy Perry makes military 98 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,639 propaganda videos for those who don't know. There was some dude talking crap on 99 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:06,200 Twitter saying that this doesn't exist. It's crazy to think that Taylor Swift would 100 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:12,000 be connected to or involved in some sort of political or even psychological warfare promotion 101 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:18,080 operation. That is not crazy. In fact, it is absolutely rational. 102 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,879 It makes a lot of sense. It's not absolutely proven, but it doesn't 103 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:27,320 matter because we're going to start today's talk by going back to the history the 104 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:33,279 beginnings. And I just mentioned one book that's the beginning of the academic treatments 105 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:38,200 of this topic that I'm aware of. You can probably find articles and essays 106 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,840 written prior to that. In fact, I've got one of the texts. 107 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,879 So people don't know how this works in academia, right, They haven't been 108 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:52,919 in academia. They don't understand that academic dorks will pick certain things and they'll 109 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,039 study it and go down a rabbit hole. And a lot of people think 110 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:02,000 that academia is useless, it's worthless, it doesn't produce anything. Nowadays, 111 00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:07,480 that's pretty much true. But it's not actually the case that academia doesn't help 112 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:11,000 us or doesn't produce anything. The problem with academia is not that it doesn't 113 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:18,440 discover things or accurately sometimes study rabbit holes. The problem with academia is that 114 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:23,160 it doesn't allow you or permit making bigger connections. So, for example, 115 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:29,799 you can have ten academics that spend a lot of time and effort researching the 116 00:17:29,839 --> 00:17:34,279 history of Hollywood and intelligence, but you're just never allowed to connect that to 117 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:37,640 anything bigger. Right, it has nothing to do with anything going on today. 118 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,359 So maybe you can talk about Coco Chanelle being a spy and you can 119 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,440 write your dissertation on that, or you can talk about Ian Fleming and the 120 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:52,400 whole Cold War era operations of James Bond, but it doesn't matter today, 121 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,039 you see, you can't if you were to extrapolate that to propaganda today. 122 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:03,839 Oh, that's conspiracy, you see. So it's weird because academics will stumble 123 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,119 upon and figure these things out, but then you're just really not supposed to 124 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:17,279 talk about it beyond the acceptable academic academia normy speak. So another book that 125 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,799 came out in the same genre, I'm just going to give you an overview 126 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:26,160 of how this looks in academia so you understand that it's not crazy. In 127 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:32,599 twenty twelve, University of Texas Press published Tricia Jenkins's book, The CIA in 128 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,599 Hollywood. So again this is not just like David Robb's book is an academic 129 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:42,000 text. Tricia jenkins book is also University of Texas Press, Okay, and 130 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:47,000 this book is a little more focused than the raw book. It goes into 131 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:53,880 focusing on just how the CIA related to various TV shows in the nineteen sixties 132 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,240 up into the two thousands, right, because she published this book and this 133 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:03,119 is probably part of her graduate work as well in twenty twelve, and she's 134 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:11,200 and again the post nine event world, there's so much focus on TV shows 135 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,160 and things relating to intelligence stuff rather than the straight up military stuff. That's 136 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,680 my assessment of this. You still have films like people noted like black Hawk 137 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:25,599 Down and but for whatever reason they really wanted to start deriding the military. 138 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,960 So in the eighties and nineties you still have this very pro militarist again Reagan 139 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,880 era pumping up the military, right this you know, Neocon style, macho 140 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:47,200 bravado. You know what's the Kurt Russell character, Right, he represents America 141 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:53,279 and right, big trouble, little China, right, like like that kind 142 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:59,960 of machismo, so to speak. So big, big nine foot guy, 143 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,000 get you up against a wall and a dark and stormy night. Right, 144 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,119 I just went blank. I don't know my mind. I haven't had enough 145 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,880 coffee today. Who am I thinking of? Why am I going blank on 146 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:18,359 this? Tell him that checks in the mail. And of course Kurt Russell's 147 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:30,000 literally trying to be uh John Wayne. Right. If you watch Kurt Russell, 148 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:34,240 you'll notice like he's he's basically just trying to be John Wayne. And 149 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:41,039 if you watch Christian Slater, you'll notice he's trying to be exactly Jack Nicholson. 150 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:47,359 So checks in the mail, Jack Burton on a dark and stormy night, 151 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:52,279 poork chop express. I do that. And you know when I do 152 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:56,319 that impression? So when I do the live events, I always do like 153 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,480 I do this opening bit for those that don't know haven't seen the live events 154 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:04,839 where there's a mock debate, and the mock debate is who has the better 155 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,119 series of impressions, and it's me versus a Funko Pop shocker. The Funko 156 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,559 Pop is not actually doing the impressions. It's me doing the voice of the 157 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:21,279 Funko Pop. Okay, So that's the mixed media live event performance that you 158 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:23,599 get from me. It's about a twenty or thirty minute ridiculous thing, and 159 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:30,000 the audience participates by guessing the impressions. Nobody ever guesses who Jack. Nobody 160 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,880 knows who Jack Burton is. It's very bizarre to me. They never know 161 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,519 that one. And most of the time they don't get the David Lynch impression. 162 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,200 So the audiences know every one of the other impressions like right away. 163 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,559 But when I do my Jack Burton, they're just like And the funny part 164 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:52,279 about the Jack Burton skit is that I actually have an image of the poster 165 00:21:53,200 --> 00:22:06,000 on the screen when I do that impression anyway, But I think it's because 166 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:11,799 basically, people thirty and under. As time moves on, people thirty and 167 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,640 under, they don't know these eighties movies. So like eighties movies now to 168 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,839 people in their twenties are old movies. And I mean, yeah, eighties 169 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,119 movies are kind of old movies. But if you grew up in the eighties, 170 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,880 they're not old movies. I don't know. So we had this explosion 171 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:36,240 of Intel shows right in the twenty's and twenty tens post Big Nine, and 172 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:38,240 I read it. Actually, I read a whole book from a person from 173 00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:45,440 the CAA talking about why this was. I forget that woman's name. She 174 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:52,960 actually came and spoke out up. She spoke out a book reading group one 175 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,039 time that my mom was at, and my mom was like, oh, 176 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,240 so and so spoken. I was like, I read her book. That's 177 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:03,799 weird. What was she doing speaking at your mom's book club anyway? But 178 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,759 the woman was talking about that. Oh man, get out of here. 179 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:12,960 Siri shut up. We don't want you, Okay, I won't do it. 180 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:19,359 Yeah, exactly, that's right. See around here, women know their 181 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:25,960 place, including AI robotic women, right when they try to step into this 182 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:30,720 men's domain, right, I tell them what's up, and you'll notice that, 183 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:37,640 right, we don't allow no Siri based feminism here, right, sirih 184 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,200 shut the heck up. She went back to the kitchen. She's making me. 185 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,240 She's making me a pixel sandwich right now, so we know what's up 186 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,880 around here. By the way, you can support the stream via the super 187 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:53,720 chats function. You can send your superchats via stream labs right her in the 188 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:59,440 link right here. Anyway, let's get back to it. I want to 189 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,599 pack this talk with as much information as we can. Again, we're just 190 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,920 talking about the academic literature that started kind of trickling out in the early two 191 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:14,400 thousands, and a lot of this book, for example, goes on to 192 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:21,079 discuss things like alias TV shows. Everybody can think of things like Homeland right 193 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:27,559 twenty four. Those are all kind of obvious examples of shows which seem to 194 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:36,720 have not just a propagandist message, but most likely intelligence consultation and perhaps even 195 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:40,000 more. Now, let's look at a classic example. We're going to go 196 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,400 back to the beginning. We're going to go start with something like Mada Hai, 197 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:48,960 even though there's spies that were actors and actresses before Mata Hai. And 198 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:56,400 let's talk about this classic example. A lot of people don't know about this, 199 00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:08,160 but certain actors and actresses seem to not just have recurring roles as intelligence 200 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,119 operatives, but actually over time it actually comes out that they work with in 201 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:21,640 certain capacities the CIA. Now we've seen this in a consistent way with people 202 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:29,240 like Claar Dane's, Jennifer Garner, Ben Affleck, Matt dadbod Aka Matt Damon 203 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:37,000 Clooney, George Clooney, Angelina Joe Lee, and in many cases they don't 204 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,079 just kind of have their working in some degree with the CA. They also 205 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:48,079 tend to in some degree perhaps even go above that. Now, in the 206 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,440 case of Angelina Joe Lee, she didn't just seem to have a lot of 207 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,720 working with the CIA and even having a handler at one point. Melissa Mayla, 208 00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:03,319 she actually seems to. Eventually she becomes a member of the CFR, 209 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,680 so she actually upgrades, right, she gets an upgrade to Council on Foreign 210 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:14,480 Relations, which I think in her case is probably more than just being under 211 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:18,240 some CIA woman. But here's Jennifer Garner doing a promo. Now, again, 212 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:23,519 I'm not saying that Jennifer Garner is going in other countries and assassinating people, 213 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,960 right, because in the show Alias, that's pretty much what she does. 214 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:33,559 Right, She's a CIA trained, she's working for a private intelligence group 215 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,480 which she thinks is the CIA, but ends up being this fake thing that's 216 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:42,200 like a deep state thing, and then she finds out that that's bad, 217 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,240 and then she switched asides to the good guys of course, right, And 218 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:49,000 if you've watched Alias, Alis is actually a pretty good show. We've done 219 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:55,279 Jamie and I did a podcast on Alias and the whole history of CIA connections 220 00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:57,640 to TV shows, and we actually went through the whole series of Alias and 221 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,440 point out the real and the fake conspiracies in that show. But she seems 222 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,920 to have immediately gone to doing pr work for the CIA. So here's one 223 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:17,039 example. Now, I'm not doing this to prove that Jennifer Garner is a 224 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:21,720 again a foreign operative, that there's the CIA is a giant machine that has 225 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,039 tons of different careers for all kinds of different people, and not everybody involved 226 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,599 in these careers is nefarious or has nefarious designs, or even knows exactly what's 227 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,279 going on. But this is to demonstrate that it's not crazy, it's not 228 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:41,640 out of hand absurd. We can't handwave the idea of people from Hollywood directly 229 00:27:41,680 --> 00:28:42,039 directly working with intelligence agencies. And here's one promo example, has never been 230 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:48,480 more vital for national security if you're an American citizen and seek a challenging, 231 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,960 rewarding career where you can make a difference in the world. And yeah, 232 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,400 I apologize for that because when I play the introductory stuff, I have to 233 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,319 have everything muted, so that with our playing the intro song or whether I'm 234 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,200 playing one of the ads, everything has to be muted. And then when 235 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,640 I switch back over to the different channel or to the different stream deck, 236 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,039 thing like it mutes it. So let me start this over. It's not 237 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:14,039 very long. It's one minute. Here we go. I'm Jennifer Garner. 238 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,480 I play a CIA officer on the ABC TV series Alias. In the real 239 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,960 world, the CIA serves as our country's first line of defense in the ongoing 240 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:30,480 war against international terrorism. CIA's mission is clear and direct, safeguard America and 241 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:34,599 its people, and it takes smart people with ride ranging talents and diverse backgrounds 242 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:40,400 to carry out this mission. People with integrity, common sense, patriotism, 243 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:44,039 and courage, the kind of people who have always worked for the agency. 244 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,920 But since the tragic events of nine to eleven, the CIA has an even 245 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:53,319 stronger need for creative innovative, flexible men and women from diverse backgrounds with a 246 00:29:53,440 --> 00:30:00,279 broad range of perspectives. Right now, the CIA has important exciting jobs for 247 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:06,400 US citizens, especially those with foreign language skills. Today, the collection of 248 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,759 foreign intelligence has never been more fire for national security. If you're an American 249 00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:15,799 citizen and seek a challenging, rewarding career where you can make a difference in 250 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:23,240 the world and here at home, contact the agency at WWW. So somebody 251 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:29,880 said this looks like a gamer recruiting video. It probably is right now. 252 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,559 This was mid two thousand, so it's a little early for but I mean 253 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,680 this could be in the era of like Deus Acts or it kind of does 254 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:44,759 have the aesthetics of you know, you're Chris Redfield in Resident Evil and you're 255 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,119 getting the call from like your your handlers or your people at you know, 256 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,839 OPSAC or whatever. So yeah, exactly, I think, and it's probably 257 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,640 engineered to be that way to you know, to appeal to young people or 258 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,920 whatever. So yeah, this is one classic example of her doing promo recruitment 259 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,400 stuff. Let's also not forget the class I want to kind of have all 260 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,559 the classics in this talk, right, because people forget these and they don't 261 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,240 know about this and it's all new to them. And this is coming out 262 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,200 in the last couple of weeks because we've had a few pretty big events. 263 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:26,079 Two really big events. We've had the Kat Williams interview with Sean Shan Chaysha 264 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:33,319 or whatever I do his name was where they was drinking kanyak and getting lit 265 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:40,400 and talking about how basically everybody's everybody skittles and compromised. Shocker, right, 266 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:45,759 So we had that and that Kat Williams interview went super viral, like fifty 267 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,640 million views now, right, something crazy like that for an, which is 268 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,759 for an interview, that's crazy, right. I mean, the Sammy the 269 00:31:52,799 --> 00:32:00,160 Bull interview on Patrick Bett David was crazy viral with like twenty million views, 270 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,759 right, that was huge. So I mean this is like fifty million now, 271 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:10,079 that's crazy, and we I mean it's a three hour podcast. But 272 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:15,400 we broke it down the other night where basically we get the you know, 273 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:20,960 the meat of what we talk about is pretty much admitted, right, big 274 00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:24,720 quote Illuminati parties. He talked about a lot of people being skittles and blackmailed. 275 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:30,759 Right, that's the and then the degradation humiliation rituals, which Kat Williams 276 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,720 mentioned, I'm not gonna tell y'all about y'all know who I'm talking about. 277 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,599 Okay, there's a group of people that come to me. Okay, they 278 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,440 come to me when they got dirt. That's all I'm saying. That's my 279 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:52,960 cat. I gotta work on a little bit, but it's getting there anyway. 280 00:32:53,519 --> 00:33:04,839 Anyway, then we had NATO meetings discussing how they batted around the idea 281 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,559 of recruiting Taylor Swift to be involved in information operations and psychological warfare to promote 282 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,279 certain ideas and agendas. Whoa right and a lot of people were sort of 283 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:20,759 like blown away by this, and oh, that's old hat around here. 284 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:29,920 We've been talking about this for fifteen years. But then that story got even 285 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,599 bigger, got infused with new life, because it turns out now everybody's into 286 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:44,000 the drama of their relationship her in this Travis Kelsey dude or what he's got 287 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000 a weird ass name. By the way, I'm proud to say I've never 288 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:49,480 even heard of this. I don't even know who these people are. I 289 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,200 mean, obviously I've heard of Taylor Swift, right, because she speaks to 290 00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:00,319 me. Her music speaks to my psyche to my generation, to what I've 291 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:05,680 gone through. Just kidding, by the way, but no idea who Travis 292 00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:13,280 Kiel kellus say. Travis Kellis, my milkshake brings out of boys said about 293 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,800 and they're like, it's better than yourrs. Damn right, it's better than 294 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:22,760 yours. Travis Kellers Boye kellys is who sings the milkshake song. For those 295 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,280 that are slow boys in the audience, we have to we have to footnote 296 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,760 the jokes I make. Now my footnotes and my impression has got to get 297 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:37,639 footnoted because of the because of the things Zoomer Boomer audience that doesn't know the 298 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,440 millennial gen X. See, I'm hitting up the millennial gen X sweet spot. 299 00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:45,800 Boomer's over here, Zoomer's over here, don't know what I'm talking about 300 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:55,880 anyway, anyway, Yes, he's a sports baller man exactly. Travis Kellers, 301 00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,559 his milkshake brings on the Taylor's to the bar. They're like, it's 302 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:05,480 swifter than yours. Damn right, it's swifter than yours. Taylor swifter. 303 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:15,000 Anyway, how did we get to how do we gonna? Oh oh oh, 304 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,159 the big sy ops of the week. Yeah, that's right, So 305 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:27,800 now everybody's speculating and Twitter's going crazy talking about how Taylor Swift and the dude's 306 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:35,519 relationship is part of the drama of the super Bowl and because he took money 307 00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:43,440 from Big Stabby, right, he's a big Stabby promoter. Now she's gonna 308 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:50,639 be pushing Joe Biden stuff. What, which is like the oldest trick in 309 00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:54,000 the book. Don't y'all remember, Like, remember when Katy Perry was she 310 00:35:54,199 --> 00:36:00,800 was performing at Biden's crap four or five years ago. Of course they're going 311 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:07,079 to pull out the controlled mind, controlled sex kitten pop stars, duh. 312 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,719 And then Twitter is acting like, I mean, the idiots on Twitter, 313 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:16,920 right, the Libs because Jaipersobiac tweeted about it, and they're acting like, 314 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:22,679 what, this is crazy, This will never happen. There's no such thing 315 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,800 as pop stars used in psychological operations or for propaganda. This is unheard of 316 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:35,559 at the mean, And as I'm watching Democrats on Twitter actually say that they're 317 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,559 absolutely glad that Taylor Swift is going to help Joe Biden get elected, I 318 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:45,039 mean, so it doesn't exist. Taylor Swift is not doing this to help 319 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:49,599 Biden, but she's helping Biden, and so it does exist. It's it's 320 00:36:49,639 --> 00:37:00,119 a classic psycho thing that libs do, right, gos luyten gosh d right. 321 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:06,400 I mean that they actually gaslight. Right. So they call gaslighting anything 322 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,559 from disagreeing to making a joke, right, they call that gaslighting, not 323 00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:15,000 even knowing what gasling actually is. Right. But gaslighting is when you to 324 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:20,599 somebody's face, deny the thing that's happening in everybody's face, and you keep 325 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:28,679 doubling down on lying to their face about what's in their face. So like, 326 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,280 for example, my favorite example of gaslighting is the guy from The Daily 327 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,760 Beest too many years ago, was arguing with me on Twitter, the Doctor, 328 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,719 the official doctor of the Daily Beast, talking about the books written by 329 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,719 Jonah Salk, and I put up the books. I have the books. 330 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:54,320 I've talked about them and shown them for many many years. And the response 331 00:37:54,599 --> 00:38:01,079 from the doctor was, Jonah Salk does not have books about this, And 332 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:06,320 I'm like, I have the book right here here it is that is not 333 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:13,039 a Jonah Sauk book that Jonah Suk wrote. I mean, what that's gaslighting, 334 00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,119 even as you like put up pictures of the book that you have, 335 00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:21,079 and the response is that. Yeah, that doesn't exist. It's not a 336 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:25,960 real thing. I mean, I have the book, it's right here in 337 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,199 my hand. We've lectured on it. Yeah, it doesn't exist. That's 338 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:37,880 gasliny. Right. One of the dudes talking smack to me on Twitter today, 339 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,519 I said, here, let's look at the clip where they discussed they 340 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:45,760 actually show the NATO meeting. And he says, yeah, it doesn't show 341 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,320 a NATO meeting. And I'm like, what does it show? He says, 342 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,840 you're playing a Fox News clip. I'm like, the Fox News clip 343 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,800 plays the NATO clip, dummy, and he's like, yeah, it doesn't 344 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:04,360 though, I mean, like what that's just like, so this is what 345 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,480 you're dealing with, and people this still mystifies and like blows the minds of 346 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:12,960 people that you have this level of gaslighting, right, I mean, but 347 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,559 that's what is happening now, Like the Internet is turning into this thing where 348 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,079 interactions and exchanges are no longer rational. They're not based on argumentation, they're 349 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:27,519 not based on logic. You can't have actual debates with people anymore because people 350 00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,840 have lost all their moral compass. And when you lose your moral compass, 351 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,920 the person that you're debating with most of the time, right, the population, 352 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,800 and like they're not after the truth. So it's no longer a truth 353 00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:46,960 ascertaining exercise to debate. It's a power struggle, a struggle session to humiliate 354 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:51,760 and to dominate. That's and that's what actually what most people think debate is, 355 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:58,679 right. They think that it's just performative. It's not actually giving substantial 356 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,519 arguments and proofs and evidence and whatever. No, No, it's performative displaying 357 00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:08,719 of humiliation. Who can better humiliate a person? And I'm not talking about 358 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,039 making a joke or using rhetoric, right, we do that. I'm talking 359 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:19,559 about legistrative gaslight. Yeah, there is no clip that shows a NATO meeting 360 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:27,199 discussing using Taylor Swift does a side out. So let's play this clip first, 361 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,039 because it doesn't. It's not Fox News. That's the clip, dummy. 362 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:40,320 Fox News is playing the NATO clip. This is so stupid. This 363 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,880 is She's been blanketed across the sports media entertainment atmosphere. The New York Times 364 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,800 just speculated she's a lesbian and last year's tour broke Ticketmaster, a tour that's 365 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,239 revenue tops the GDP of fifty countries. I mean, I like her music, 366 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,960 she's all right, but I mean, have you ever wondered why or 367 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:05,360 how she blew up like this? Well, around four years ago, the 368 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:12,360 Pentagon Psychological Operations Unit floated turning Taylor Swift into an asset during a NATO meeting. 369 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:17,320 Well kind of asset, a psyop for combating online misinformation. Listen, 370 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,920 you came in here wanting to understand how you just go out there and counter 371 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:28,760 an information operation with The idea is that social influence can help can help encourage 372 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,360 or promote behavior chain, so potentially as like a peaceful information operation. I 373 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,440 include Taylor Swift in here because she's you know, she's a fairly influential online 374 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,559 person. I don't know if you've heard of her. Yeah, that's real. 375 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,039 The Pentagon sy op unit pitched NATO on turning Taylor Swift into an asset 376 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,880 for combating misinformation online. This is nothing new. In the nineteen fifties, 377 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:59,440 the government strong armed Louis Armstrong into doing propaganda tours across Africa. The CIA 378 00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,199 did the same thing with jazz singer Nina Simone, except they did it without 379 00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:07,159 her really knowing. In the seventies, Nixon enlisted Elvis in his war on 380 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,000 drugs. He gave the King a badge and named him a covert. Federal 381 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:16,960 law enforcement agent. Michael Jackson was tapped by Reagan using his song beat It 382 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:23,199 and his public service campaigns against teen drinking and driving, Michael Jackson persuading minors 383 00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:31,079 not to drink anyway. So Swift from for a political legitim Prime Time obviously 384 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,320 has no evidence. If we did, we'd share it. But we're curious 385 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,719 because the pop star who endorsed Biden is urging millions of her followers to vote. 386 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,559 She's sharing links and her boyfriend Travis Kelty sponsored by and their relationship boosted 387 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:55,199 the NFL a whole new demographic. So going there, you go, right, 388 00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,320 I mean, if you study this stuff, it's obvious. Right, 389 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,480 We've talked about this for so long. I'm going to talk about that as 390 00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:08,440 well. But yeah, I mean, and so that was two weeks ago, 391 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,599 that report, the Jesse Waters report, that's from a you know, 392 00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,440 maybe two or three weeks ago. And then today the news is really ramping 393 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:20,280 up because it's starting to become obvious. Taylor Swift to the rescue Biden Ies 394 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:27,639 celebrity endorsement stunt to boost reelection bid. President Biden's approval ratings are in the 395 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,119 Oh my gosh, these pop ups, dude, who can even read news 396 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:37,880 websites anymore? President Biden's approval ratings are in the toilet, and the Donald 397 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:44,559 is on the rise. As we all expected, Biden's campaign is eyeing Taylor 398 00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,800 Swift for help. They want Swift to endorse him, as she did in 399 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,920 twenty twenty. Taylor Swift's Eras tour has drawn as many as seventy one thousand 400 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,400 fans to a single show, the highest grossing music tour of all time. 401 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,920 Now here's the interesting part. Do you notice who was at that NATO meeting. 402 00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:09,800 All I saw was women batting around ideas about how to tap into the 403 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:17,400 youth market of voting whatever. So women, who does Taylor Swift's entire mega 404 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,920 market appeal to the minds of young women? Right? And girls? Always 405 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,960 explained that, Well, you don't understand because she has tapped into the inner 406 00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:32,039 psyche of how girls think and their experiences in the modern dating world and all 407 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:35,599 this kind of stuff. Okay, yeah, maybe, But what I'm saying 408 00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:42,320 is that that's secondary to her usage for these people, which is to bring 409 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:53,360 Taylor Swift and her massive girl audience into being registered voters of Rock the Vote 410 00:44:53,480 --> 00:45:01,320 and the feely's creeper party, Right, That's what this is about. What 411 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,800 do I mean about the swaying them into the fueler creepers? But I'm talking 412 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,960 about the Democratic Party, right, And that doesn't mean that I'm like Rhinos 413 00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:16,559 and Democrats are awful, right, but the Rhinos at least have to keep 414 00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:22,119 up the appearance of not being for absolute total creeper degeneracy. And the Democrats 415 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:28,719 have just outright full on gone full creeper oh publicly everybody knows this, I 416 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:44,039 mean, just full on total creeper mode. Right. So let's get into 417 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,360 the history of this and why this is. You guys remember too, the 418 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,960 same thing with Katy Perry, right, And Katy Perry has a long history 419 00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:00,840 of odd connections in her family, her dad being this weird megachurch pastor who 420 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,320 connected to other international, big mega churches. Weird stuff going on there. 421 00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:15,760 And then Katie Perry moves from the evangelical pseudo Christian music department to mega super 422 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:24,199 duper pop star, right, and she performs at the DNC What was that 423 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,639 twenty sixteen? Yes, right, she's over there performing all that's stupid. 424 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:43,239 Hear me rise and roar to Biden's twenty sixteen thing. Remember this, you 425 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:52,760 have a tager. By the way, my pop music is way better than 426 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,480 Katy Perry's. We all know that too, by the way. Anyway, 427 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:04,199 so nothing new here. Pop stars are always typically going to be right singing 428 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:13,079 for the latest Democrat creeper candidate. Same with super Bowl right for the most 429 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,119 part. But what about the history of all this? Is this a new 430 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:22,480 phenomenon? As the guy said to me, it doesn't exist today. I'm 431 00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:27,360 sure you can find some example of this in history, but that doesn't mean 432 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,400 it exists today. Well, let's go back to history. We'll start there 433 00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:36,239 the first famous case. And a lot of people think this is kind of 434 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,840 overblown. I think it is. But she's known because it's an interesting story, 435 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:47,519 and it's a famous case of this. Madahari better known as that's our 436 00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:52,559 stage name, a Dutch exotic dancer in courtesan who was convicted of being a 437 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:57,000 spy for Germany during World War One. She was eventually executed by a farming 438 00:47:57,039 --> 00:48:00,559 squad and following squad in flance the idea we have a beautiful exotic dancer, 439 00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:07,760 so an entertainer using her powers of seduction as a spy made her name synonymous 440 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,599 with the femme fatale. Her story has served as inspiration for many books, 441 00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:15,360 films, documentaries, et cetera. It has been said that she was convicted 442 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,039 and condemned because the French army needed escape goat some theorized and so perhaps this 443 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:27,800 was exacerbated beyond what she really was if you don't know. Again, this 444 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:37,039 is probably the most famous historical honey pot swallow operation. And we've been talking 445 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:43,760 about this this week with as we covered sexpionage. Right, so here's some 446 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:51,920 images of Matahari. If you've never heard of her, seen her the equivalent 447 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,199 of like a cabaret dancer. Right, And so she slept with some people 448 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,440 and got some dirt, you know, not a huge not a huge deal. 449 00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,280 But this is nothing new because if we go to Russia, right, 450 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:12,599 there's the famous case of Olga Tchekhova, who many think I don't think it's 451 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,519 been demonstrably proven, but there's a lot of evidence that suggest that the most 452 00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:22,719 famous Russian I think she was actress and ballet star at this time. Yeah, 453 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:28,840 she was a student of the famous method actor Stanislavsky, the wife of 454 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:36,199 Mikhilchukhov, state actress of the Germans. Tiny mustache Man was it seems very 455 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:43,360 likely an agent for Stalin. So she embedded herself and got close to a 456 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,639 lot of people in the circles of Tony mustache Man, and it's a very 457 00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:52,239 fascinating story. It's not known for sure what her role was, but she 458 00:49:52,440 --> 00:50:00,960 was in more than one hundred films, including the classic original Mulin Rouge so 459 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:07,679 Olga Chekov as a classic example. There's also a whole history of an opera 460 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,800 singer at this time. I don't remember her name, but if you go 461 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:21,079 to the Russian History Museum's YouTube page, they have an entire lecture on a 462 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:27,159 famous Russian opera singer who was a spy around this time. I don't remember 463 00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,880 her name though, but you can look that up. Then of course there 464 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:36,960 is we can't forget. We did a whole podcast on Sonya Biegert. There's 465 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,440 a whole movie on her called Spy, which is really good. And Sonyavigert 466 00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:45,639 was the born to an upper class family in Oslo in nineteen thirteen. She 467 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,480 had the desire to be a fashion designer, but later on she ended up 468 00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:54,840 studying languages and dance in France. She was very intelligent and actually spoke five 469 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,920 languages. After she won a talent competition to be the next Spreta Garbo, 470 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,920 she became a movie theater actress. At age twenty one. She became a 471 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,360 successful movie actress in nor In fact, she was actually the most famous actress 472 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,719 in the nineteen thirties and forties from Norway. She married a Swedish writer and 473 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,559 moved to Sweden in nineteen thirty nine. When Norway was invaded by the Germans 474 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:22,599 in nineteen forties, she was already established as a prominent actress, most famous 475 00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:28,159 Scandinavian movie star. She's very pretty. She has a kind of a nicole 476 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,239 kidman esque vibe about her. Well, if you've heard of her story, 477 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,599 then you know what happens is that the Allied powers tell her, Hey, 478 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:45,280 we have your father arrested, and if you don't start sleeping with tiny mustache 479 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:51,119 Man's high command, your father will remain in jail and perhaps die. So 480 00:51:51,199 --> 00:52:00,400 she then is forced to engage in intimacy's and lovey w time with one or 481 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:06,320 maybe two. I don't remember the exact story, but basically she's recruited, 482 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:13,360 forced into she's cajoled into being a swallow, and the movie is really good 483 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,760 about this. It presents it in a fascinating way. She actually got a 484 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,360 lot of hate and vitriol because people thought that she was this trader and she 485 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,119 was a bad person and all, and it turns out it was she was 486 00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:30,960 not a bad person. She was forced into this so very unfortunate situation to 487 00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:37,039 have the state forced you into doing these kinds of things. But this is 488 00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:39,760 the reality of what happens sometimes. So you know, this serves as an 489 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:46,519 example as well to why we can't always be super judgy about everybody in entertainment 490 00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:50,559 and engaged in certain things because we don't know their full story. Right. 491 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,039 I'm not saying that that excuses everybody, that there's no scumbags. I'm just 492 00:52:54,039 --> 00:53:00,239 saying that we don't always know people's full story. In her case, she 493 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:07,199 they basically used her father as the means to get her to engage in being 494 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:14,199 a swallow. So Sonya Wigert case is a classic, and go watch the 495 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,480 movie on Amazon or whatever. It's called. Spy Spy, really good spy 496 00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:22,960 movie. Let's see. Also, by the way, speaking of Forgotten spy 497 00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:34,119 movies. There's a similar type of story with a movie that has it's a 498 00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:40,519 French movie that not many people know about with Sophie Marceau, where it's British 499 00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:51,920 intelligence agents women particularly here, which is fascinating two thousand and eight movie. 500 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:58,360 This is a good movie. You should watch this because it actually gets into 501 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:07,880 a lot of what you hear me talking about, because you have these British 502 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:15,320 intelligence basically setting up an operation using French women recruited into British intelligence work for 503 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:22,760 the SE Special Operations Executive. Right, it's got the Sophie Marceau is the 504 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,679 main star. It's got that dude that's the member him. He's the boyfriend 505 00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:34,440 Money Money, he's the boyfriend of fran Carpatente and Run Little Run. So 506 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,039 he plays the the evil tiny mustache man guy. Sophie Marceau is the handler 507 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:47,000 to this British spy operation and they're they're at one point they use one of 508 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,760 the girls as a swallow. So and I'm assuming this is probably based on 509 00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:00,400 some sort of real history event, but it's just another example of because no 510 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,559 it is, I did look this up. We don't know all the details, 511 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,880 right, So a lot of times in some of these spy stories like 512 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:12,000 this, like we don't know every detail, but it's based on a woman. 513 00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,800 The Sophie Marceaux characters based on a woman who was engaged in some sort 514 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,360 of operation loosely like this, right. So anyway, the French movie Female 515 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:25,199 Agents is also good for demonstrating us. But in that movie they use a 516 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:31,400 swallow operative. So as we are working our way through history various examples, 517 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,519 let's go to the forties because this is where things really ramp up with the 518 00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:45,800 creation of the OSS. And if you don't know, one of the most 519 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:52,840 famous directors in the history of Hollywood is John Ford. John Ford was recently, 520 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,280 for example, impersonated by David Lynch, which I thought was fascinating. 521 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,239 In the Spielberg movie, I forget the name of the movie, but it's 522 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:08,519 about Spielberg's life, right, And at the end they're depicting the event where 523 00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:13,480 Spielberg meets john Ford, and it's David Lynch playing john fordy. He plays 524 00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:20,239 them perfectly if you watch john Ford interviews. So this is at a history 525 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,119 website and they're going through the history of World War II stuff, and it 526 00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:28,519 says on May seventh, nineteen forty five, General Alfred Yodel, chief German 527 00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:32,360 Army Operations Staff, signed the surrender documents ending the major fight in the European 528 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,280 theater. The oss A company the US Army occupation forces to Germany to begin 529 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,400 rebuilding the devastating country of the former enemy. The first step was the d 530 00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:47,079 tiny mustache manning of the Reich. This required methodical sorting of tiny mustache man 531 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:52,639 war criminals from the general population in order to select leaders for the new Germany. 532 00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:54,559 This is the re education program that we talked about from the Raw tou 533 00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:58,599 book. This is easier said than done. To a solid that process, 534 00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:04,400 American military authorities took a surprising change of attitude that was distributing, disturbing to 535 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,320 Vertel, who was the OSS agent that we want to talk about her. 536 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,960 Vertel was a German born Jewish jew who had argued for the use of German 537 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:20,400 and nationals in OSS espionage operations. He confronted reluctant and sometimes hostile American military 538 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,360 commander Is with the argument that there were many trustworthy Germans and they should not 539 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:29,400 all be viewed as tiny mustache men. However, in the post war atmosphere, 540 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:34,440 he and other OSS personnel felt that US officials made two quick a reversal 541 00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:38,239 in their attitude and over embracing of the position that most Germans were actually tiny 542 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:45,679 mustache meen Betel's post war Hollywood career, Vertel returned to Hollywood and wrote the 543 00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:50,119 screenplay for the nineteen fifty one spy Maview Decision Before Not. It was based 544 00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:54,039 on a novel call It Treason, written by other OSS comrade George Howe. 545 00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:59,400 The film was a composite of Vertel and How's experience in the seventh Army OSS 546 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:05,480 Detachment German Powespionage operation. The story was filmed in Germany and realistically portrayed a 547 00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:09,519 young, idealistic Wehrnormacht corporal on an OSS mission inside the Right. Vertel went 548 00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:15,639 on to assist John Houston with the script for the nineteen fifty one classic The 549 00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:22,519 African Queen. He would later marry popular movie actress Deborah Kerr. Nearly two 550 00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:28,159 hundred OSS agents were involved in this operation. Theater Veratil died at age eighty 551 00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:30,239 six. I'm skipping down. He not only left his mark on the OSS 552 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:35,960 been in Hollywood as a writer collaborator, including with Ernest Hemingway, and John 553 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:43,119 Houston. What about John Ford, Hollywood director, John Ford brought a unique, 554 00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:50,960 brought unique fallen, unique fallen. I don't know what that means anyway, 555 00:58:51,639 --> 00:59:00,719 So we're going to skip past. John Ford's Rise to Prominence project was 556 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:05,800 not taken seriously by the Navy brass For many months. Ford was ridiculed in 557 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,519 some quarters as a warmonger and an overaged, overaged c scout his appeals for 558 00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:14,800 the authorization or no response, but he was well connected in the Navy Reserve 559 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,519 and persisted. He lobbied Washington eventually got official sanction in nineteen forty. By 560 00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:25,559 nineteen forty one, the draft being felt in Hollywood, field Photographic was deluged 561 00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:31,599 with application. So this is a program involving people to do field photography. 562 00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:35,960 In nineteen forty one, John Ford and his unit members were summoned to Washington, 563 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,199 where a big surprise was awaiting them. With the support of Marion Cooper, 564 00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:45,159 a film producer and colorful soldier of fortune, Field Photographic Services headed by 565 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:52,880 who William Wild Bill Donovan, that's the first founding member of the OSS. 566 00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:58,360 Legendary World War Medal of Honor winner. Ford was to be accountable to while 567 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,440 Bill Donovan, who in turn reported to President Franklin delan Or Roosevelt. The 568 01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:07,599 unit was assigned an operating budget of five million dollars. Fords unit received as 569 01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:14,800 first So here's a direct connection between the OSS and john Ford for wartime field 570 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:20,639 photographic operations. And it makes sense too, because I mean, if you're 571 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:30,320 gonna engage in important symbolic photography coming out of the war theater, then you're 572 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,679 gonna want to use people like famous directors, wouldn't you, of course, 573 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:43,719 So this goes into a lot of the different usages of field photographic and then 574 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:51,239 it goes on to talk about his later works and how they tied into operations 575 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,800 like rolling Operation Torch. Immediately after the White House screening, john Ford flew 576 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:59,679 to London, Pan America with Pennock, now his unofficial aid. The purpose 577 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,920 was organized field photographic crews for Operation Torch, the upcoming Allied invasion of North 578 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:10,920 Africa. Ford sent his camera crews to the British Commando School at Aknakari in 579 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:16,320 the Scottish Highlands for special training and conditioning. The complex invasion was launched nineteen 580 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:22,159 forty two with Allied task Force including I'm Gonna Skipped down past that. So 581 01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,199 you see that this is continuing to be used. Right, This is not 582 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:31,199 some one off thing. This is throughout the war. Theater and Ford is 583 01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:37,440 just one example. There's other famous Hollywood people that had intimate OSS work and 584 01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:45,320 cooperation. I mean, this article goes into tremendous detail, and it goes 585 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,840 on and on and on. He did all kinds of crazy stuff, right, 586 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:59,119 but people forget the basics. Did you know the most famous and first 587 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:10,920 TV cook Julia Child? Julia Child was a spy for the OSS. This 588 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:17,039 is the CIA's own website, so for those that think it's a conspiracy theory, 589 01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:23,199 directly from CIA dot gov. Julia Child is best known for bringing French 590 01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:27,360 cuisine into America's mainstream. But if you know that she had a dynamic career 591 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,719 as an intelligence officer before she became the cooking icon, and it goes into 592 01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:37,599 her time at OSS headquarters with Bill Donovan. And this is interesting because again 593 01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:44,639 you might think that the founding of the OSS would be all of these eggheads 594 01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:50,679 and these nerds, but actually it turns out a lot of these characters are 595 01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:58,440 pretty colorful. You have theater people, you have children's authors or old doll 596 01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:05,079 you have people very close to Disney. You have people who are chefs, 597 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:12,800 cooks, so that the original you know, early era OSS is a lot 598 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,159 of colorful characters, including some Hollywood people. Right, So it's not it's 599 01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:22,440 not what you think of as you know, nerds sitting around, you know, 600 01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:31,239 reading books and studying printouts to try to figure out what what's some dictators 601 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:39,400 up to the early era of this is, you know, entertainers. Now 602 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:44,239 it's not only entertainers. Obviously Bill Donovan has a military career and he was 603 01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:49,440 I don't know, parachuting into various operations in the war whatever. So so 604 01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:52,719 it's all over the boards I'm trying to say, right, and other early 605 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,800 OSS people come out of Wall Street. At the early phases, they were 606 01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:04,559 recruiting millionaire playboys andeen forties. So this is actually what the character. One 607 01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:10,840 of the first mentions of the oss In film is the movie Notorious with It's 608 01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:19,000 the Hitchcock film with Carry Grant uh and Cary Grant is playing a raven. 609 01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:25,920 Raven is a male version of a swallow. Right, so he'scing, seducing 610 01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:30,880 and playing Ingrid Bergmann. Because Ingrid Bergmann is in the circles of or is 611 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:39,519 dating James Mason, who's playing a tiny mustache men follower. Right, So 612 01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:44,920 if you've never seen Notorious, that's that's a great classic Hitchcock spy movie. 613 01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:53,159 And although it's again not it's not it's mentioned I think in Passing Carry Grant's 614 01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:58,880 playing an OSS operative, which is odd too, because they're always touting, 615 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,000 right, as we saw Amante saying and other people saying, the CIA, 616 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:09,239 we don't engage in sexual espionage. What I mean, that's just preposterous. 617 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:15,400 Right, Maybe the CIA as an official agency doesn't, but they can have 618 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:21,320 assets and groups that work for them that do engage in that kind of stuff. 619 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:26,239 I mean, that's just ridiculous. It's patently false. But if you've 620 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,559 not seen Notorious, then you should watch it because you'll notice what I'm saying. 621 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:43,119 Oh, we can't forget other the Dominican it's not just cooks, theater 622 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:49,000 people, lawyers, Wall Street people, Felix, the dominic, the Dominican 623 01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:55,280 ecumenists. Remember we found him in the Operation Gladiol book. He was one 624 01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:00,519 of the early OSS people. And he's not just a Dominican ecumenist theologian influential 625 01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:11,920 at Vatican two. He also writes movies, Catholic movies, and he created 626 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,760 the Prodeo Language School. Remember this guy, what is his last name? 627 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:29,400 Felix Oss, Dominican pro Deo Language School, which has got to be upfront 628 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:36,119 for that's a father, Felix mor Leone, the Roman Catholic money launderer, 629 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:46,719 intelligence operative. Correct, that's him, and is remember the Oss. Well, 630 01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:51,000 I'm not going to go to Reddit for that Felix mor Leone. It's 631 01:06:51,000 --> 01:07:25,079 actually I think in his obituary. Okay, have you noticed, by the 632 01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:32,679 way, how uh the search results are way different than they were now, 633 01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:39,760 like even like a few months ago. This is so crazy how they constantly 634 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,119 alter and change this stuff to where it's really hard to find this this stuff? 635 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,480 Aha? Is this what? Because I wanted an academic sources? M 636 01:07:47,559 --> 01:08:00,960 I t yep. I mean it's in the William's Gladiol book but Missionaries who 637 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,880 spy for the United States during World War Two, and of course it talks 638 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:13,800 about Felix mor Leone. But if you don't know what was a father Felix 639 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:19,000 also doing? Oh he was writing Roman Catholic movie scripts like Flowers of Saint 640 01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:24,680 Francis. Yes, now what did I put in my second esotery Hollywood book. 641 01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:33,119 I put an entire chapter on this very thing, movies that promote Roman 642 01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:42,479 Catholic themes written by Roman Catholic ecumenists like Father Felix at mor Leon. So 643 01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:48,600 point being, then it's not restricted to government nerds or dorks or James Bond 644 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:54,479 type people. 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It doesn't mean that he's a talented artist. 694 01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:03,760 But when we look at these articles like how the OSS helped john Ford win 695 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:09,760 an Oscar twice, documents in the CIA Archives explain how the acclaimed director of 696 01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:14,520 Battle of Midway and December seventh was so successful. John Ford had already made 697 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:19,239 multiple Academy Award winning films, in fact three Best Director awards for the Informer 698 01:15:19,319 --> 01:15:23,640 Stage Coach in Grapes of Wrath, but with the support of the Oss, 699 01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:30,720 the filmmaker that was popular for his work with John Wayne. He went on 700 01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,279 to win, you know, I need to do a better John Wayne. 701 01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:38,039 Let me. Let me try to. I haven't thought about John Wayne. 702 01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:41,800 What's a John Wayne line? Let's see if I can do a good John 703 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:55,640 Wayne. Let's see hired nerd John Wayne best lines? Because this makes sense 704 01:15:55,680 --> 01:16:02,039 with the Richard, the Jack Burton earlier. Right, because John Wayne is 705 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:12,359 Jack Burry Well, like what kids to teach him better? All right? 706 01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:20,039 Aft, you get up? I don't hold jail. I guess I hate 707 01:16:20,039 --> 01:16:28,159 a liar. This this sucks. Whoever made that at least put quality lines 708 01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:40,840 to come on quality video? Bro, it's the same video. Gud you're 709 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:50,880 doing it. These aren't even good singers off shot gun all forget that, 710 01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:55,520 forget my John Wayne impression. Nobody even cares who John Wayne is anymore. 711 01:16:56,079 --> 01:17:05,600 Uh So, But the article was pointing out that John Ford here we go. 712 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:12,920 Recently unearthed CIA documents illuminate Ford's relationship with Oss director will Bill Donovan, 713 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:19,960 and then they were eager to contribute to his war effort of your So here's 714 01:17:20,039 --> 01:17:30,920 letters back and forth between Donovan and the discussions of john Ford's works, and 715 01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:35,119 this again is what helped him win these great awards. So in other words, 716 01:17:35,119 --> 01:17:40,359 there was political usage for the documentaries that he was doing at the time 717 01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:45,199 that helped support the war effort, what America's designs were. And this demonstrates 718 01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:49,520 again the most famous directors, the most famous pop stars, the most famous 719 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:57,079 actors, actresses have a long history of being given awards even and promoted and 720 01:17:57,119 --> 01:18:03,279 made huge precisely for how having these establishment connections and for pushing the establishment line. 721 01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:08,600 So hopefully you see that doesn't mean that john Ford isn't talented, doesn't 722 01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:13,479 mean that he's not a good director, right, just means that we see 723 01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:20,359 this common pattern of certain people rise to mega mega mega levels oftentimes not just 724 01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:25,560 because they're you know, talented or in the right place at the right time. 725 01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,199 They have those things, but they also, in our i think typically 726 01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:32,720 in order to be mega mega megastars is they have the backing of of the 727 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:41,239 establishment a large degree. And we see that again with john Ford. Let's 728 01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:45,199 see next when we move up into the nineteen sixties and seventies. I could 729 01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:50,960 too. I want to mention some more the literature because people again think that 730 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,760 this is crazy, it doesn't exist. So you know, I wrote my 731 01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,239 book in twenty sixteen. I think of the first ess start Callywood came about 732 01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:02,960 twenty sixteen, and I talked about a lot of you know, history of 733 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:10,800 British theater and British intelligence operatives and their connection to British spy fiction writing, 734 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:16,039 you know, novels, Graham Green, Joseph Conrad, these kinds of characters. 735 01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:23,520 And just last year, the establishment itself or twenty twenty one, I 736 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:35,880 guess, a super duper normy pro like NPC dude actually writes a book as 737 01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:43,880 the official historian of British Intelligence, Christopher Andrew, and he writes a famous 738 01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:49,680 book now Stars and Spies Intelligence Operations in the Entertainment business. Oh so now 739 01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,800 you say it's okay to talk about this, right because the establishment guy who 740 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:59,479 writes the official I five history has now okayed what can be spoken of and 741 01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,119 what can be mentioned. But remember all the way up until a few years 742 01:20:02,119 --> 01:20:05,600 before he published this, you can't talk about this. This is crazy. 743 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,600 It doesn't exist. There's no such thing as this. It's a ten full 744 01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:17,399 hack conspiracy. Let me write my public guardian approved, right, mainstream New 745 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:23,159 York Times reading whatever lists, approved book, and now it's okay to talk 746 01:20:23,159 --> 01:20:26,880 about You say, oh see, it does exist. What's the what's the 747 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,199 classic move? It doesn't exist. You're crazy if you talk about it. 748 01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:33,359 It exists, but it's not bad of it. It's not a big deal. 749 01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,800 So what why do you care? And then it turns into of course 750 01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,800 it exists, and here's why, that's a great thing. The liberal journal 751 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:45,600 headline, right, Remember remember the deep state? They did the same thing 752 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:50,680 with that headline. Right. The process of like what the deep state is, 753 01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,920 which comes out of the writings of Peter Dale Scott, the famous intelligence 754 01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:06,800 critic writer guy So. For example, Peterdale Scott famously wrote books like this, 755 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:15,479 right, powder snorting and powerful People. But not just powder snorting and 756 01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:21,279 powerful people, but how this connects to the networks run by the CIA, 757 01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:27,680 for example, drugs, armies, and the relationship of the CAA to Central 758 01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,319 America. Now, Peterdale Scott was again famous for writing about these topics, 759 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,760 and he coined the term deep state. So it was a very useful term 760 01:21:36,319 --> 01:21:42,479 for a state within a state to describe how our system actually runs. That 761 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,600 it doesn't run on the basis of publicly elected leaders. I mean, to 762 01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,399 a degree it does. We all think that that's who's running the show, 763 01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:56,319 but actually there's an inner powerful clique that's above the Democrat Republican divide that calls 764 01:21:56,359 --> 01:22:01,199 the shots, and they call the shots through a host e vented including but 765 01:22:01,319 --> 01:22:04,760 not limited to, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trial Autoral Commission, 766 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:11,159 the Biddleburg Group, all sorts of NGOs, think think tanks, foundations, 767 01:22:11,239 --> 01:22:15,079 Ran Corporation, Carnegie Foundation, Rock Fuller Foundation, on and on on, 768 01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:20,439 all the NGOs, including the ng os of foreign nations, which you can 769 01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:28,800 figure out. Yes, all of those things play a role in really setting 770 01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,680 the policy. So here we go, as we move up into the nineteen 771 01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,520 sixties. What about the sixties counterculture? Well, actually, before I get 772 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,880 to that, and believe it or not, actually James Bond is related to 773 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:43,600 the sixties counterculture. So people don't know this, but you know when you 774 01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,880 get into the academic literature, and I'm just showing this as one example. 775 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:55,920 So the guy who was like talking smack I have this is this is just 776 01:22:56,039 --> 01:23:01,960 one half of the shelf on this time. So this is just books that 777 01:23:02,039 --> 01:23:04,199 I pulled off one half of them. There's a whole shelf up there. 778 01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:10,079 I didn't pull the whole shelf down. This is just books dealing with the 779 01:23:10,119 --> 01:23:15,039 history of James Bond studies and film studies, right, and by extension, 780 01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:18,680 literature as well. And this is a whole domain of its own. It's 781 01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:23,279 called bondology, right. And when you get into this you start to realize 782 01:23:23,279 --> 01:23:29,359 that when I wait a minute, if there's entire academic domain is discussing this, 783 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,239 here's one book, the James Bond phenomena Critical Reader, and this is 784 01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:40,439 how Bond is used in literature and in movies and by extension and propaganda. 785 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:47,479 Right. There are countless important biographies which touch on the operations that Ian Fleming 786 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:54,359 was involved in, like in Flamming Sacred War by Craig Cobble. There are 787 01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:59,119 books like Ben McIntyre is a famous intelligence writer. For example, if you 788 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,399 watch the Operation Min's Meat movie that came out, I think, is it 789 01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,640 Benedict Cucumber batches in that movie? I forget who's in it? This is 790 01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:11,680 all right movie, But that's based on the book by Ben McIntyre on Operation 791 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:16,359 Min's Meat, which involves Ian Fleming being a key player in that. He 792 01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:20,520 has a great book called Ian Fleming and James Bond, and as one of 793 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:30,319 the again foremost writers on this topic, you're gonna note that a lot of 794 01:24:30,359 --> 01:24:34,399 the things that you hear me say, which sounds crazy like there's a Chrollian 795 01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:43,880 element to James Bond is actually coming from Bondologist academics and scholars, So he's 796 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:49,960 a whole He has a whole chapter on the figure of Blowfeld. Lowfeld is 797 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:58,119 a composite of Villain's but the figure of blow Blowfeld based on Croley. So 798 01:24:59,279 --> 01:25:06,319 again, they make movies out of Ben McIntyre's works. Ben McIntyre writes on 799 01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:14,279 Ian Fleming, who they make the most famous character of all time James Bond. 800 01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:24,960 That's now I think that the franchises I think second or third Tor, 801 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,680 Harry Potter and Star I think Harry Potter and Star Wars are have topped Bond. 802 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,079 But anyway, at one point Bond was like the you know, the 803 01:25:31,079 --> 01:25:35,600 biggest franchise in the world. He's still obviously in the top five at least 804 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:40,640 I think. But this is another academic text that I used when I was 805 01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:44,640 studying this at the grad level, which was fascinating because this one, This, 806 01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:45,640 of all of these books, and I've got a million of them, 807 01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:51,279 this one actually had the most interesting geopolitical side to it, and it talked 808 01:25:51,319 --> 01:25:58,479 about how all kinds of elements of pop culture were used during the Cold War 809 01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:04,079 in terms of symbolism and film. Jeremy Black's book The Politics of James Bond, 810 01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:10,680 and you'll notice there's a whole chapter here on things like Moonraker and rockets 811 01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,560 and the V two rocket program, which comes out of the Moonraker book, 812 01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,880 which is not about space program, but it's loosely about this. Basically, 813 01:26:20,039 --> 01:26:26,319 Hugo Drax is going to for eugenics reasons get rid of England, so it 814 01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:30,079 relates to it, but it's not. If you watch Moonraker the movie when 815 01:26:30,119 --> 01:26:40,880 they go to freaking space stations, that's all nonsense orry anyway. So I'm 816 01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:45,800 just pointing out that you realize there's like entire genres of academia that talk about 817 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,319 the thing that I talk about a lot that people still think is like this 818 01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:56,079 crazy made up conspiracy. They more academic literature. James Bond in philosophy. 819 01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:59,600 This was an Okay, it wasn't that great. This is more of an 820 01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:05,359 academ make treatment cultural history of Bond in the Bond Films, okay, another 821 01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:13,479 academic text revisioning James Bond. Another academic text, Ian Fleming and the Cultural 822 01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,600 Politics of James Bond. Okay, so you understand that again this is its 823 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,000 own there's a whole genre. That's not all the books on this. There's 824 01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:27,960 a bunch more. And I've talked about this book a lot too, which 825 01:27:28,039 --> 01:27:32,600 is this is a former CIA person, I forget what in what capacity, 826 01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:41,520 but he wrote a book on the history of spy fiction and espionage and that 827 01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:50,000 many or most, maybe even most espionage writers come out of espionage. Shocker. 828 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,479 They're writing about what they know about and they want to make money because 829 01:27:55,039 --> 01:28:00,720 government employees don't make a lot of money, right, So those are just 830 01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,800 that's just a smattering. Now beyond that, outside of Bond, we already 831 01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:10,520 have Francis Stunner. Saunder's famous book, very well known now, the CIA 832 01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:15,880 in the World of Arts, the Letters the Cultural Cold War, and this 833 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,319 is her treatment of the Congress for Cultural Freedom and the work that it did 834 01:28:20,359 --> 01:28:28,079 to promote what the CIA and the Cold War saw as promoting the American ideals. 835 01:28:28,119 --> 01:28:30,039 Now, the big mistake that a lot of people make is that they 836 01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:36,560 think that the CIA was a conservative institution or a traditional institution during the Cold 837 01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:45,600 War against a tyrannical liberal Soviet regime. That is not true. The West 838 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:51,760 were the liberals, the Soviets were the anti liberals. Because Marxism has always 839 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:57,039 been, at least in terms of its public you know, propaganda, and 840 01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:02,920 ultimately in terms of its ideology, anti liberal. So it's very confusing to 841 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:08,039 modern people who don't know about history and they think Marxism liberalism, the CIA 842 01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:14,159 was conservative and right wing. No, that's not true. The CIA has 843 01:29:14,199 --> 01:29:21,359 at times supported classical liberalism, and it has supported anti Soviet policies, but 844 01:29:21,399 --> 01:29:26,600 it is not anti liberal and has never been quote conservative. So these are 845 01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,920 huge misunderstandings, and that's why, especially during the Cold War, the CIA 846 01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:36,720 was so interested in promoting anything that was abstract art, anything that was what 847 01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:45,880 we now call modern art, anything that was brutalist, brutalist architecture, Bauhaus. 848 01:29:46,119 --> 01:29:49,920 I mean it spills over into architecture. Because this is a cultural war. 849 01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:59,119 Culture war. Culture war is not something that the moral rearmament people came 850 01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:02,119 up with, not something that comes out of the moral majority of the Reagan 851 01:30:02,399 --> 01:30:10,520 era. Culture war is ideological warfare extrapolated to the society in general. So 852 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:15,680 it's the principles of psychological warfare in wartime applied to the mass population, and 853 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,520 culture war, particularly after Lippmann and Burns and these kinds of people, gets 854 01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:28,319 very scientific and specified. I mean, I've got all the Tavistock Frankfurt School, 855 01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,319 you know, people and their books over here, right, We've got 856 01:30:31,359 --> 01:30:34,399 Lippman, We've got Burnees. We've lectured through these books. We haven't lectured 857 01:30:34,399 --> 01:30:40,119 through Litman yet, but we've lectured through Bernees, We've lectured through AHG. 858 01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:45,640 Wells, who's just the Brenees before Wells. So we know that you know 859 01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:51,159 this, that culture war is studied in an nth degree, and this whole 860 01:30:51,159 --> 01:31:00,560 book is about that from an academic perspective. And if you remember, we 861 01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,720 found I don't know if I'll be able to find it again. Let's see 862 01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:08,760 if I can find it. Let's see if it was Francis Stoner Saunders. 863 01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,880 Somebody found a clip was I found it and I put it on my Twitter. 864 01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,880 I'll never be able to find it though. Twitter search is terrible. 865 01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,600 Have you noticed that, Like you can't find anything on that. You actually 866 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:25,159 use Google to find stuff on Twitter, which is weird. But let's see 867 01:31:25,159 --> 01:31:27,720 if I can find this clip, you're gonna find it to be very relative. 868 01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:43,439 Francis Stoner Saunders Twitter. Mm hmmm, yes, I think I found 869 01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:53,279 it. Amazing. No, that's just me talking about it. Let's see 870 01:31:53,279 --> 01:31:59,600 if this is somebody else that put it up. No, it's the cultural 871 01:32:00,039 --> 01:32:23,880 old War. Let's try videos. Hmmm, No, that's not it. 872 01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:33,880 Thrill, I see researches in live time. It's a really good clip though, 873 01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:41,239 if I can find it, see I not see you a m hm, 874 01:32:47,079 --> 01:32:55,720 Francis Stars anyway. Oh, it's in my highlights, that's it, 875 01:32:56,319 --> 01:32:59,840 but I'll have to scroll back through quite a few of the highlights. Let's 876 01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:06,560 say, if we can do it this way, all right, So going 877 01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:16,000 back to and she's basically just summarizing it. It's her speaking at a big 878 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:21,039 like a c SPAN event, and she's summarizing her findings in the book. 879 01:33:21,159 --> 01:33:25,720 The book is very big and long. It also overlaps, by the way, 880 01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:30,800 with Operation mocking Bird. Because mocking Bird there's a chapter in the World, 881 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,520 The Wilson Worlitzer, The Mighty Worlitz her book, there's a chapter on 882 01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:39,640 mocking Bird overlapping with the Congress for Cultural Freedom because it's media, right, 883 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:47,239 Uh should be pretty close to in here somewhere, because I remember sending this 884 01:33:47,319 --> 01:34:04,239 clip to Tim Gordon. Anyway, this is probably too hard to find, 885 01:34:04,399 --> 01:34:11,319 but it's so weird. That is this the case for everybody else? I'm 886 01:34:11,359 --> 01:34:15,000 sure it is, right? Is everybody else having the same problem of like 887 01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:18,079 where you when you try to find something, you know, the search that 888 01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:23,439 you used even like six months ago doesn't pull up the same results anymore, 889 01:34:24,399 --> 01:34:27,520 which I know you can save it obviously, which and I have this clip. 890 01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:33,239 It's just not easily accessible at the moment. So maybe somebody's dming me 891 01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:38,439 the clip. Let me see, maybe they found it. Otherwise we'll just 892 01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:42,359 move on. But it's basically Francis, Yeah, here it is, thank 893 01:34:42,399 --> 01:34:47,600 you to Rachel. Rachel found it, so let me send this clip to 894 01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:59,880 you guys. Here it is. Why'd that be? Pardner? That's the 895 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,119 that was all right? I don't even know what John. I don't like 896 01:35:01,159 --> 01:35:08,479 Western so I don't know John Wayne lines like I can make up a John 897 01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:14,760 Wayne saddle up, Pardner. I mean it just sounds like something crap. 898 01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,239 He would say, saddle up, partner. I don't know, Uh, 899 01:35:17,279 --> 01:35:20,600 what does John Wayne say? What does the John Wayne? But John Wayne 900 01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:25,800 says like a talk, like a kid's toy, like a thinking say or 901 01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:34,960 whatever it's called that John Wayne goes saddle up partner. Uh. Trying to 902 01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:39,640 send myself to this clip so that we can watch it. There we go. 903 01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:51,840 Why do'll I be Pardner? Francis Stoner Saunders. She looks like a 904 01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:58,479 wine ant. There we go, y'all all ready, y'all ready if it 905 01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:08,680 is whoa dude? This is the whole talk. I'm not complaining. I 906 01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:13,760 appreciate the link. Thank you, Rachel. I wonder where she talks about 907 01:36:14,319 --> 01:36:19,880 the big name people. Let me start by apologizing for my slightly casual appearance, 908 01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:27,840 but American Airlines have one of my bags someplace, So this is the 909 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,159 best I could do. I was asked just now, and I think it's 910 01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:35,960 probably a good place to start why someone who took an English degree at Oxford 911 01:36:36,119 --> 01:36:42,079 would possibly get involved with the story involving the CIA, And I have to 912 01:36:42,079 --> 01:36:45,520 say briefly, I shall describe the accidental journey that brings me here, which 913 01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:49,039 is that nothing to do with the suitcase, by the way, which is 914 01:36:49,039 --> 01:36:56,520 that in the early nineties I was researching or developing a series of documentaries for 915 01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,880 independent television in England. Who's Entries. Half of the really good material you 916 01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:06,640 have as the editor of a magazine which emphasized its independence, received from Fleischmann. 917 01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:12,520 Others were less acquiescent of books in which it was wholly or partially involved, 918 01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,680 and scores of magazines, congresses and concerts, art exhibitions and seminars. 919 01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:21,039 At the close of the Second World War. Yeah, so she's talking about 920 01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:27,760 congress or cultural freedom here. The CIA states the one outright victor had suddenly 921 01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:31,399 found itself a superpower, needing a culture to match it. Stirred over the 922 01:37:31,399 --> 01:37:35,199 wire at Russia, which had pursued intellectual politics ever since Catherine the Great, 923 01:37:36,279 --> 01:37:43,319 and set about acquiring worldwide intellectual admiration and support. As the Cold War froze 924 01:37:43,359 --> 01:37:47,399 and ideologies divided, the US government, through its intelligence and espionage arm, 925 01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:54,520 poured huge resources into a cultural propaganda campaign. A central feature of this campaign 926 01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,920 was to advance the claim that it didn't exist. The CIA was an effect 927 01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:04,800 acting as America the Ministry of Culture. Did you hear that? Countless tons 928 01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:12,560 of money poured into the Congress for Cultural Freedom to promote and control the It's 929 01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:17,479 basically the Ministry of culture she's talking about, like or well stuff, right, 930 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:25,439 And people on Twitter today are losing their minds still because they don't believe 931 01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:29,960 this exists. Right, It's so crazy to think that the CIA would have 932 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,600 any interest in Taylor Swift. Some dude telling me SILIA doesn't care about some 933 01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:42,439 blonde pop star. Really, the most powerful pop star in the world, 934 01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:49,439 who has the attention of probably a billion girls, The CIA doesn't care about 935 01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:51,800 that, So just showing it, you're idiocy. And by the way, 936 01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:55,760 the guy talking all the SMAC was an engineer. I don't know what that 937 01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,439 deals with the engineers. Lately, the engineers have been coming out of the 938 01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:04,720 woodwork with the worst takes. I've been talking up engineers a lot in the 939 01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:09,800 last years because you know, engineers seem to be, in my view, 940 01:39:10,119 --> 01:39:15,720 the closest thing to actual science, Like there really are putting the science to 941 01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:24,239 the pedal to the metal, actually producing things, whereas a lot of science 942 01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:30,760 is just propaganda, like life sciences and speculating about how we were seeded by 943 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,560 aliens through panspermia a billion years ago. That's all just gibberisal. That's science 944 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:41,119 fiction. That's science fiction, bro, But actual science in my view, 945 01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:46,520 that's like engineers as people creating stuff, right, building computers, bridges, 946 01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:57,600 whatever. Anyway, But what people don't learn, know or understand, especially 947 01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,880 if they're educated, and that goes off, read a lot of World War 948 01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:02,640 two books. Yeah, good for you. So what you read a bunch 949 01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:09,560 of normy World War two books that don't talk about the relationship of the intelligence 950 01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,720 agencies to Hollywood, which, by the way, that actually does come up 951 01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:15,800 in normy World War two books. So you haven't even read that much World 952 01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,760 War two stuff. If you think this is crazy, I mean Hitchcock was 953 01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:28,399 filming World War two propaganda reels. So the centerpiece of the CIA's culture camp 954 01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:32,359 or cultural struggle was the Congress for Cultural Freedom, established in Berlin in the 955 01:40:32,399 --> 01:40:38,079 summer of nineteen fifty. The Congress was an apparently spontaneous alliance of intellectuals and 956 01:40:38,199 --> 01:40:43,880 artists committed to demonstrating the fallibility of the Soviet mythos and the superiority of Western 957 01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:48,439 democracy. Is a framework for Cultural and Philosophical Inquiry. Its membership read like 958 01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:54,159 a who's who of the eminence crees of the period. Julian Huxley, Mirchelarde, 959 01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:59,920 Andre Malro, Guido Piovene, Herbert Reid, Thornton Wilder, JP Naryan, 960 01:41:00,199 --> 01:41:02,720 Hugh, Trevor Roper, James T. Farrell, Raymond Erroon, you 961 01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,920 got Stravinsky, Ignazio Silone, ROBERTA. Rossellini, Willy Brandt, Ernst Reuter, 962 01:41:08,399 --> 01:41:12,439 A j Ayre, Herbert Reed, Malcolm Muggridge, James Burnham, Sidney 963 01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:16,239 Hook, Arthur Schlesinger, Junior, Arthur Cursler, Mary McCarthy, Diana and 964 01:41:16,319 --> 01:41:20,479 Lionel Trilling, Norman Thomas, Upton, Sinclair, John Steinbeck, Alan Tate, 965 01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:25,279 Robert Penwarren. The list is endless. It is endless. Did you 966 01:41:25,319 --> 01:41:29,800 hear that? Did you hear that? Did you hear the list, which 967 01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:32,800 is just a smattering by the way, it goes on to include bertrand Russell. 968 01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:36,600 Yeah, Malcolm Muggridge was a British intelligence. Let's listen to this again, 969 01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:40,920 because idiots don't believe this, and they won't listen, and they don't 970 01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:44,479 probably don't even know who these people are. Who who the hell is? 971 01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:50,640 John Thumbert, Sidney Hook, Herbert Reed, Thornton Wilder, J P. 972 01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:55,960 Narran, Hugh Trevor Roper, James T. Farrell, Raymond Erroon, you 973 01:41:56,079 --> 01:42:00,640 got Stravinsky, Ignazio Silone, ROBERTA Rossellini, Willy Brandt, Ernst roy A, 974 01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,960 j Ayre, Herbert Reed, Malcolm Muggridge, James Burnham, Sidney Hook, 975 01:42:04,359 --> 01:42:10,199 Arthur Schlesinger Jr. Arthur Kursler, Mary McCarthy, Diana and Lionel Trilling, 976 01:42:10,359 --> 01:42:15,399 Arthur Kesler, Arthur Kessler, Ghost in the Machine, one of the 977 01:42:15,399 --> 01:42:20,079 inner elite that we covered. We covered that whole book where Kessler says we 978 01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:26,199 need to introduce poisons into the food and the water, drugs to depopulate. 979 01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,439 Yes, that's in We've covered it for years. She just mentioned that he's 980 01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:38,800 one of the cultural Cold War shills inclaired John Steinbeck Alante, Robert Penwarren. 981 01:42:39,279 --> 01:42:42,479 The list is endless. It is endless. I just realized he goes on 982 01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:45,479 and on. It even features Jackson Pollock that he was probably drunk when he 983 01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:50,760 joined. Honorary presidents were Bertrand, Russell, Benedetta Crossche, John Dewey, 984 01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:56,840 Carl Jasper's Salvador. You hear that Jack Mary Tane and Ryan Holden Neiber. 985 01:42:57,319 --> 01:43:02,840 You hear that it's not least Jacques Marritaine, the famous Jesuit Bertrand Russell. 986 01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:14,720 These are the thought leaders speaking, the mouthpiece fought leading of the CIA throughout 987 01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:16,760 the Cold War. Doesn't mean the Soviets are good guys, dummy. It's 988 01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:25,319 before you start saying who's a svi probably when he joined honorary presidents with Bertrand 989 01:43:25,399 --> 01:43:30,640 Russell, Benedette Cross, John Dewey, Carl Jennison, John Dewey, Jaspers 990 01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:34,479 the philosopher. So you noticed this includes academics and famous philosophers. Now Jack 991 01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:40,640 Marytaine and Ryan Holden, Jesuit, Jacques Maritaine, and not just Jacques Maritaine, 992 01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:45,239 because we find out that the CIA's doctrinal warfare program, headed by C. 993 01:43:45,319 --> 01:43:49,560 D. Jackson was John Courtney Murray was the point man for that. 994 01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:57,800 It's the entire whim hoffbook. So you understand that the Cold War functioned as 995 01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:06,279 this big excuse for the CIA to step into all areas of American life, 996 01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:11,840 the domain of religion, the domain of literature, the domain of Hollywood, 997 01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:17,760 the domain of the music, industry to fight the Cold War for America's interests. 998 01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:23,680 Of course, this was not about winning a Cold War for America's interests. 999 01:44:24,079 --> 01:44:28,000 It was about a long term social engineering plan to bring about technocracy, 1000 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,960 which is why the people who write the books that she mentioned, For example, 1001 01:44:31,039 --> 01:44:35,359 Miles Copeland, what were the key figures running CIA operations? Who then 1002 01:44:35,399 --> 01:44:42,319 becomes a music executive writes in his books about how if you want to understand 1003 01:44:42,319 --> 01:44:45,760 the CIA's long term goals, read the CFR and Bertrand Russell about depopulation. 1004 01:44:53,359 --> 01:44:57,119 Now, these are just examples. And to remind you as well, let's 1005 01:44:57,159 --> 01:45:09,800 go to the sixties counterculture. What about Gloria Steinem. Surely she's a feature. 1006 01:45:10,079 --> 01:45:16,199 She would be a cultural Marxist right, cultural Marxism, she would be. 1007 01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:23,720 She's like a Soviet right. No, Gloria Steinem, according to even 1008 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:35,399 the CIA, was paid by the CIA to push CIA liberalism. These are 1009 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:43,520 public academic sites, noting that Glorious Steinem has a long history of being with 1010 01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:49,159 and closely tied toon working with the CIA, just like modern art was a 1011 01:45:49,399 --> 01:45:57,199 liberal CIA pushed movement. So all of the dumb libertarians and conservatives and neocons 1012 01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:01,960 who think that the Soviets were the liberals and the Americans of the conservatives, 1013 01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:08,159 and that today were as they share the Bury Bezmanov clip, we're fighting the 1014 01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:14,039 Soviets. We're fighting, So this is a distraction. Soviets lost, they 1015 01:46:14,039 --> 01:46:19,239 don't exist anymore. They're gone. Now it's the Fortune one hundred that push 1016 01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:26,000 what you call cultural Marxism is a corporate agenda. And they still can't figure 1017 01:46:26,039 --> 01:46:31,079 this out, and they still can't figure out that their boomer Revolution of the 1018 01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:35,760 nineteen sixties was also a fake revolution. I give the CIA a total credit 1019 01:46:36,319 --> 01:46:44,560 for sponsoring and initiating the entire consciousness movement counterculture events of the nineteen sixties. 1020 01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:51,399 Dr Timothy Leary the nineteen sixties Johnny Appleseed of LSD. The CIA funded and 1021 01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:59,560 supported and encouraged hundreds of young psychiatrists experiment with this drug. The fallout from 1022 01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:03,079 that was the young psychologists began taking it themselves, discovering that it was an 1023 01:47:03,079 --> 01:47:15,399 intelligence enhancing, consciousness raising experience. Yeah, so, CIA mouthpiece Timothy Leary 1024 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:20,920 tells you himself that the nineteen sixties counterculture revolution is the provenance of the CIA, 1025 01:47:21,079 --> 01:47:24,600 So you can thank the CIA for that. Of course, many books 1026 01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:28,560 have covered that. We've covered it endlessly for probably eight to ten years. 1027 01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:30,840 Now. We're scenes Inside the Canyon as a classic on that. My two 1028 01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:34,199 books cover that. Now, Let's not forget and you can go watch my 1029 01:47:34,319 --> 01:47:40,800 part two to this or not to this, but to the talk that we 1030 01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:45,239 did about dirty, dirty espionage. It covers this. And if you remember 1031 01:47:45,279 --> 01:47:50,560 this story with this character, remember him, why he just happens to have 1032 01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:58,039 a whole bunch of Hollywood people flying on his planes, not just government people, 1033 01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:02,479 not just boring government with people. Well why does this matter? Oh? 1034 01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:10,399 Well, because maybe that this operation Jeff's McAffrey, Jeff Stan mceffrey, 1035 01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:14,520 Maybe that operation, oh what just happens to tie into the CIA and other 1036 01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:19,680 foreign government blackmail operations on record. Now, so you see the point there. 1037 01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:24,159 Hopefully, guys, if you would like and share, a lot more 1038 01:48:24,199 --> 01:48:27,239 could be said. This is a super deep rabbhole the more you get into 1039 01:48:27,319 --> 01:48:32,000 it. Let's not forget that Ben Affleck himself talked about it openly. You 1040 01:48:32,039 --> 01:48:36,039 know, was it a telegraph interview? Let's see if it's if they haven't 1041 01:48:36,039 --> 01:48:42,159 scrubbed a yet, right, and yes, I'm aware that it's not just 1042 01:48:42,399 --> 01:48:45,880 the CIA but a lot of these intelligence agencies. They kind of work together, 1043 01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:55,600 right. I think it's phrase with the same flip side of the same 1044 01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,960 coin. Yeah, this is it still there. This is what the Guardian. 1045 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:04,479 He said it in two interviews for TurboTax, so he doesn't just say 1046 01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:12,640 that. He also says in another publication. But you get the point, 1047 01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:18,039 right that, Like, there's a there's a tremendous amount of documentation of this 1048 01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:21,239 when you dig into it, when you start looking at it. And it 1049 01:49:21,239 --> 01:49:25,800 doesn't mean that every Hollywood person is a CIA operative. It doesn't mean every 1050 01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:29,319 Hollywood actor is mind controlled. Okay, never said anything ridiculous. Every time 1051 01:49:29,319 --> 01:49:31,720 I start talking about this, normies that want to argue against it, they 1052 01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:36,520 always give you these They always attribute to you these uh straw men positions. 1053 01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:40,119 Right, Oh, you're saying to everybody in Hollywood works with the CIA. 1054 01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:43,279 Oh you're said to everybody's a MicroTape. No, never said that. That's 1055 01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:48,399 lying to put words in my mouth and to create a straw man. No. 1056 01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:53,840 In fact, it's specifically identified with sources. And this is what the 1057 01:49:54,000 --> 01:50:01,760 people can't fathom. All this is sourced. I mean using robots. We 1058 01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:06,399 tried to get the message upstairs, and you know, the clandestine services are 1059 01:50:06,399 --> 01:50:10,720 both spend most of their time convincing people that something that's not true is in 1060 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:17,880 fact true. You don't have a better bad idea that they have telling stories 1061 01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:24,079 and oftentimes uses that and philanthropic causes or political causes or people mer or man 1062 01:50:24,119 --> 01:50:28,079 I think are good. But you know, there are really positive offshoots. 1063 01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:30,479 Mostly I think it's you know, self surveying and kind of designed to be 1064 01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:33,479 that way, but I think some good things also do happen. This is 1065 01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:41,720 an exceptional example of something good that I would say that it's I mean that 1066 01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:45,880 there's comic elements to it. I guess we're not satirizing Hollywood in the sense 1067 01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:49,279 that we're like not holding specific things up for you know, to be lampooned. 1068 01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:55,359 But there is a you know, there is a way in which the 1069 01:50:55,399 --> 01:51:00,680 movie sort of rolls its eyes a bit. I think they're quite a few, 1070 01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:03,920 Yes, I think probably, as do you think. I think they're 1071 01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:08,640 probably quite a few. Yes, I think probably Hollywood is full of agents 1072 01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:14,840 and we just don't know what. Oh yeah, thank you. Ben exactly 1073 01:51:15,039 --> 01:51:19,279 appreciate that. Letting Us By the Way Ourgo is a movie about an actual 1074 01:51:19,319 --> 01:51:24,680 CI operation using a movie. So go watch ourgo. If you don't believe 1075 01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,560 what I'm talking about, let's go to the super chats. We've got chefy. 1076 01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:30,239 Five dollars. I'm new to Christianity in general. I've not prayed until 1077 01:51:30,279 --> 01:51:36,800 recently. Sometimes I doubt myself. I say things in circles. Orthodox approach 1078 01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:41,600 is to start sort of with uh written prayers, So I would say, 1079 01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:45,439 start praying the psalms and then find you can find an Orthodox prayer book PGAP 1080 01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:50,760 on Instagram. Ten dollars. How would you defend the following Orthodox traditions to 1081 01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:57,760 a Protestant perpetual virginity of Mary, a bachelor, regeneration for infants, possibility 1082 01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:02,640 of receiving salvation after death, I mean infants. This is contested by some. 1083 01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,640 I would just start reading some of the you know, classic introduction to 1084 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:13,279 Orthodox books like Rock and Sand by Father Trendham or Way The Truth in the 1085 01:52:13,279 --> 01:52:17,039 Life by doctor Clark Carlton. Those are great starts when it comes to apologetic 1086 01:52:17,039 --> 01:52:23,600 responses to Protestants and demon Five dollars. They're gonna make up video livestream about 1087 01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:31,359 big platform converts like Gedeon and Young Don So I've literally sent tons of messages 1088 01:52:31,399 --> 01:52:35,600 to these people. I've I mean, I've asked young Don like multiple times. 1089 01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:41,279 They don't. They ignore these these things. So I don't think that 1090 01:52:41,399 --> 01:52:45,159 young Don is interested in anybody correcting him on anything. He seems to think 1091 01:52:45,159 --> 01:52:49,159 he knows it all already. I don't know the Jideon guy. I've heard 1092 01:52:49,159 --> 01:52:54,720 about this, and I know that they're turning people to arianism, but I 1093 01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:58,319 mean, I don't know what to do other than continuing to ask these people 1094 01:52:58,359 --> 01:53:04,319 to have some kind of interaction or exchange. So now somebody just reached out 1095 01:53:04,359 --> 01:53:10,159 to Hotep, and Hotep is going to have me on next week, I 1096 01:53:10,199 --> 01:53:15,479 think, not over theology issues, just in general. But the way that 1097 01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:19,119 that happened was somebody sent Hotep in this case a super chat and said, 1098 01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:23,479 hey, would you have jay on? And he said yes, and because 1099 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:28,439 he's been on Lord Voldemort. Uh, and then he realized that I host 1100 01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:34,319 Fourth Hour, he was willing to have a conversation. So the best way, 1101 01:53:34,359 --> 01:53:39,760 it seems is, and this is how it happened with Timcast too, 1102 01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,600 was people just kept asking and putting my name in there. So if you 1103 01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:46,039 want to get me on a show or to have a conversation. It doesn't 1104 01:53:46,079 --> 01:53:50,000 work for just me to reach out to people the ninety percent of the time. 1105 01:53:50,039 --> 01:53:54,600 The way this happens, and this is how the step On debate happened. 1106 01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:58,119 This is how the Matt Dela Honey debate happened. It's you guys asking 1107 01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:00,680 the people to have me on. That's the only way that ever happens, 1108 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:02,520 because if I just send a message, if I send an email, if 1109 01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:06,239 I send a d M, if I tag them publicly, it gets ignored. 1110 01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:10,279 So this is literally the only way to make it happen. MK ten 1111 01:54:10,319 --> 01:54:16,479 eighty two. Saussy spy chief Marcus Wolf was Epstein Handler. I haven't come 1112 01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:26,319 across that yet. I do have Marcus Wolf book up here. I have 1113 01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:31,880 this book, so I'm not saying that that's not possible. I just haven't 1114 01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:39,520 come across that information yet. Wolf is an expert in utilizing sexpionolagy yep, 1115 01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:43,399 I understand that. Looks up the sack, look up the Saxony swamp. 1116 01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:45,840 Okay, I'll try to look. I'll try to dig into that. I 1117 01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:55,840 wonder if she I don't know if she talks about Wolf. Let me see, 1118 01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:08,039 I don't see a reference to Marcus Wolf, but Rybranium five dollars. 1119 01:55:08,119 --> 01:55:14,880 Remember during the early days of KOUF, CNN used Sesame Street to push this 1120 01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:17,720 stuff. Yes, and there's also all the big rock stars j Low Foo 1121 01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:21,000 fighters. They also did concerts. Remember, So what do you mean it's 1122 01:55:21,039 --> 01:55:27,079 crazy to think that Taylor Swift is used in propaganda? Duh? Like I 1123 01:55:27,079 --> 01:55:31,239 don't know anything orthodoxology. I'm not going to read that. Can't talk about 1124 01:55:31,279 --> 01:55:36,640 that. On YouTube, John three dollars. JK. Rowling talked about Skittles 1125 01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:44,199 she an artist that skipped through the cracks. Well, no, I don't 1126 01:55:44,199 --> 01:55:46,479 think she's. I think she's pretty much toes the line. She just for 1127 01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:51,640 whatever reason I think she doesn't she think that the tr A n S agenda 1128 01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:57,560 is contrary to feminism. I mean it isn't her. She's just not as 1129 01:55:57,640 --> 01:56:01,560 radical as in the latest phase of liberals, so that doesn't make her based 1130 01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,760 in red pill right anyway, Thank you guys. Be sure and head on 1131 01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:10,560 over to the website and subscribe for the part twos that we do over there. 1132 01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:14,720 You can also subscribe on rockfin and I will see you guys.