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gonna be talking about a topic that I know quite a bit about. I
did choose to pursue this topic at a graduate level, and so this is
why I got interested in the connection between intelligence agencies and the entertainment industry.
Was precisely because when I first came across this idea in the early two thousands,
I kind of thought it sounded crazy. I'd never heard of this.
I was a movie buff. I loved movies, and I always enjoyed spy
movies. I thought they were one of the cooler of the genres of Hollywood
movies. And then I remember, as I was reading a lot of espionage
stuff, reading a lot of what we might call kunchpiel wishie feel weeesh,
I noticed that a lot of times you would see things that were real operations
in the spy world be like, oh, that sounds like that one movie.
Well, this is kind of like that other movie, and you know,
making connections in your head, noticing patterns as normal human beings do,
which I guess we're not supposed to do that anymore. It's not normal to
do that. You're you're a bad person if you do that. I started
realizing that, well, there's a lot of reality and fiction going on at
the same time, right when it comes to movies. And then I remember
the first time I ever encountered this idea was probably when you first hear stories
of like the connections between Marilyn Monroe and JFK, because you start wondering,
well, here's this Hollywood starlet and she has this ignominious death. She seems
to be connected to ma few people, and not just JFK and RFK,
but intelligence people via RKJFK and via the mob. People like I believe she
for a while dated Sam Giancana Momo. So you start to wonder, well,
maybe there's more going on here. And then some years ago there was
a book that came out. Let's talk about that first. One of the
first books that came out treating of this topic in the academic world. So
notice I'm not talking about people writing conspiracy stuff, talking about what's considered normative
academia was this book Operation Hollywood. And this book came out because right after
the Big Nine event, this book was published in two thousand and four,
people started noticing quite a bit of connection between Pentagon offices, agencies, proposals
put forth by the Pentagon, two various studios. So academic began digging into
this. They were interested in propaganda at that time, right in the post
Big Nine event world. And so you got this treatment by a scholar.
I don't know which university rob is out of, but David Robb is writing
for one of the one of the mainline academic publishers. It's Prometheus Publishing.
But that's connected to the whole academic world, right, because if you don't
know, like in publishing, there's pop publishing, and then there's there's usually
another domain that's a publisher from a university, right, University of Texas or
Notre Dame Right. Academic publishing is kind of its own world apart from pop
publishing, So usually you'll find these types of books or people writing and publishing
through universities or university connected presses. And the book notes that the US military
itself kind of operates like a corporation, and it talks about going back to
the days of Burne's whenever Brene's Now that that's just the introductory part of the
book. The book itself is about all of the different scripts and censoring that
occurred throughout the nine eighties and nineties to various scripts. So for example,
Independence Day movies that related to operations of UH Clear like Clear Present Danger,
Jack Ryan, those kinds of stories, right that the Pentagon, the CIA,
the different agencies had quite a bit of involvement in those types of scripts,
and you can see why there's movies like TV shows like Jag which I
think was a popular CBS show, a lot of military and CIA spy type
movies that you would expect, but sometimes it's movies that you wouldn't expect,
like Independence Day having Pentagon consultation and what then what you realize is that,
well, is there more to this, right, because he talks about how,
for example, the Jessica Lynch story, which was a famous piece of
propaganda for women in the military, that it wasn't too long after this that
you got Saving Private Lynch and you got g I Jane right with Demi Moore.
All of that was propaganda for promoting the idea of women at a great
greater numbers in the military and women on the front lines, and all of
that was drawn up and strategized by in those cases Pentagon military connected individuals.
But it's not just the Navy and the Army and the Air Force. Right.
You can think back to movies in the eighties, like what was it
Iron, the one with lou Gossip Junior. Those are Air Force movies,
right, They promote the Air Force in the nineteen eighties. You guys know
what I'm talking about. I never actually watched these. I always thought they
were really stupid. But there's quite a bit of these, Like there was
a bunch of the Navy Seals with Charlie Sheen top gun. These were kind
of Pentagon aided and promoted. And I was saying, the Pentagon made them,
they hire directors, but they will insert messages, insert propaganda into the
films. And this was very popular in the nineteen eighties and nineties. This
book covers that quite a bit because again this was written in two thousand and
four, so this is one of the earlier academic texts treating this topic,
showing yes, Blackhawk down. Now as we get up into the two thousand
Iron Eagle, thank you Roy Brandon. Yet Iron Eagle with lou Gusta Junior,
those are like Air Force promoting movies. So and this is well known
and well documented, right that in the eighties and nineties we had a lot
of this, especially in the Reagan era, pushing this stuff through movies.
Now, as we get into two thousands, it doesn't change except that it
seems to be more and more focused towards intelligence stuff. So whereas in the
eighties and nineties it was a lot of you know military, yeah, exactly,
the submarine movies. There's like, you know, late eighties, early
nineties, there's like five six seven, you know, super submarine movies.
Remember all those. You got Sean Connery, you got Wesley Pipes, you
got I mean, I don't I can't even keep up with all the submarine
movies, but that was all Yeah rd October, thank you so much.
Yeah, all those movies were also part of this phenomena. In the two
thousands, though, it seems to shift, and some of the people involved
in writing on this have noted that there was a shift in moving away from
straight up military. I mean there's still military propaganda. Katy Perry makes military
propaganda videos for those who don't know. There was some dude talking crap on
Twitter saying that this doesn't exist. It's crazy to think that Taylor Swift would
be connected to or involved in some sort of political or even psychological warfare promotion
operation. That is not crazy. In fact, it is absolutely rational.
It makes a lot of sense. It's not absolutely proven, but it doesn't
matter because we're going to start today's talk by going back to the history the
beginnings. And I just mentioned one book that's the beginning of the academic treatments
of this topic that I'm aware of. You can probably find articles and essays
written prior to that. In fact, I've got one of the texts.
So people don't know how this works in academia, right, They haven't been
in academia. They don't understand that academic dorks will pick certain things and they'll
study it and go down a rabbit hole. And a lot of people think
that academia is useless, it's worthless, it doesn't produce anything. Nowadays,
that's pretty much true. But it's not actually the case that academia doesn't help
us or doesn't produce anything. The problem with academia is not that it doesn't
discover things or accurately sometimes study rabbit holes. The problem with academia is that
it doesn't allow you or permit making bigger connections. So, for example,
you can have ten academics that spend a lot of time and effort researching the
history of Hollywood and intelligence, but you're just never allowed to connect that to
anything bigger. Right, it has nothing to do with anything going on today.
So maybe you can talk about Coco Chanelle being a spy and you can
write your dissertation on that, or you can talk about Ian Fleming and the
whole Cold War era operations of James Bond, but it doesn't matter today,
you see, you can't if you were to extrapolate that to propaganda today.
Oh, that's conspiracy, you see. So it's weird because academics will stumble
upon and figure these things out, but then you're just really not supposed to
talk about it beyond the acceptable academic academia normy speak. So another book that
came out in the same genre, I'm just going to give you an overview
of how this looks in academia so you understand that it's not crazy. In
twenty twelve, University of Texas Press published Tricia Jenkins's book, The CIA in
Hollywood. So again this is not just like David Robb's book is an academic
text. Tricia jenkins book is also University of Texas Press, Okay, and
this book is a little more focused than the raw book. It goes into
focusing on just how the CIA related to various TV shows in the nineteen sixties
up into the two thousands, right, because she published this book and this
is probably part of her graduate work as well in twenty twelve, and she's
and again the post nine event world, there's so much focus on TV shows
and things relating to intelligence stuff rather than the straight up military stuff. That's
my assessment of this. You still have films like people noted like black Hawk
Down and but for whatever reason they really wanted to start deriding the military.
So in the eighties and nineties you still have this very pro militarist again Reagan
era pumping up the military, right this you know, Neocon style, macho
bravado. You know what's the Kurt Russell character, Right, he represents America
and right, big trouble, little China, right, like like that kind
of machismo, so to speak. So big, big nine foot guy,
get you up against a wall and a dark and stormy night. Right,
I just went blank. I don't know my mind. I haven't had enough
coffee today. Who am I thinking of? Why am I going blank on
this? Tell him that checks in the mail. And of course Kurt Russell's
literally trying to be uh John Wayne. Right. If you watch Kurt Russell,
you'll notice like he's he's basically just trying to be John Wayne. And
if you watch Christian Slater, you'll notice he's trying to be exactly Jack Nicholson.
So checks in the mail, Jack Burton on a dark and stormy night,
poork chop express. I do that. And you know when I do
that impression? So when I do the live events, I always do like
I do this opening bit for those that don't know haven't seen the live events
where there's a mock debate, and the mock debate is who has the better
series of impressions, and it's me versus a Funko Pop shocker. The Funko
Pop is not actually doing the impressions. It's me doing the voice of the
Funko Pop. Okay, So that's the mixed media live event performance that you
get from me. It's about a twenty or thirty minute ridiculous thing, and
the audience participates by guessing the impressions. Nobody ever guesses who Jack. Nobody
knows who Jack Burton is. It's very bizarre to me. They never know
that one. And most of the time they don't get the David Lynch impression.
So the audiences know every one of the other impressions like right away.
But when I do my Jack Burton, they're just like And the funny part
about the Jack Burton skit is that I actually have an image of the poster
on the screen when I do that impression anyway, But I think it's because
basically, people thirty and under. As time moves on, people thirty and
under, they don't know these eighties movies. So like eighties movies now to
people in their twenties are old movies. And I mean, yeah, eighties
movies are kind of old movies. But if you grew up in the eighties,
they're not old movies. I don't know. So we had this explosion
of Intel shows right in the twenty's and twenty tens post Big Nine, and
I read it. Actually, I read a whole book from a person from
the CAA talking about why this was. I forget that woman's name. She
actually came and spoke out up. She spoke out a book reading group one
time that my mom was at, and my mom was like, oh,
so and so spoken. I was like, I read her book. That's
weird. What was she doing speaking at your mom's book club anyway? But
the woman was talking about that. Oh man, get out of here.
Siri shut up. We don't want you, Okay, I won't do it.
Yeah, exactly, that's right. See around here, women know their
place, including AI robotic women, right when they try to step into this
men's domain, right, I tell them what's up, and you'll notice that,
right, we don't allow no Siri based feminism here, right, sirih
shut the heck up. She went back to the kitchen. She's making me.
She's making me a pixel sandwich right now, so we know what's up
around here. By the way, you can support the stream via the super
chats function. You can send your superchats via stream labs right her in the
link right here. Anyway, let's get back to it. I want to
pack this talk with as much information as we can. Again, we're just
talking about the academic literature that started kind of trickling out in the early two
thousands, and a lot of this book, for example, goes on to
discuss things like alias TV shows. Everybody can think of things like Homeland right
twenty four. Those are all kind of obvious examples of shows which seem to
have not just a propagandist message, but most likely intelligence consultation and perhaps even
more. Now, let's look at a classic example. We're going to go
back to the beginning. We're going to go start with something like Mada Hai,
even though there's spies that were actors and actresses before Mata Hai. And
let's talk about this classic example. A lot of people don't know about this,
but certain actors and actresses seem to not just have recurring roles as intelligence
operatives, but actually over time it actually comes out that they work with in
certain capacities the CIA. Now we've seen this in a consistent way with people
like Claar Dane's, Jennifer Garner, Ben Affleck, Matt dadbod Aka Matt Damon
Clooney, George Clooney, Angelina Joe Lee, and in many cases they don't
just kind of have their working in some degree with the CA. They also
tend to in some degree perhaps even go above that. Now, in the
case of Angelina Joe Lee, she didn't just seem to have a lot of
working with the CIA and even having a handler at one point. Melissa Mayla,
she actually seems to. Eventually she becomes a member of the CFR,
so she actually upgrades, right, she gets an upgrade to Council on Foreign
Relations, which I think in her case is probably more than just being under
some CIA woman. But here's Jennifer Garner doing a promo. Now, again,
I'm not saying that Jennifer Garner is going in other countries and assassinating people,
right, because in the show Alias, that's pretty much what she does.
Right, She's a CIA trained, she's working for a private intelligence group
which she thinks is the CIA, but ends up being this fake thing that's
like a deep state thing, and then she finds out that that's bad,
and then she switched asides to the good guys of course, right, And
if you've watched Alias, Alis is actually a pretty good show. We've done
Jamie and I did a podcast on Alias and the whole history of CIA connections
to TV shows, and we actually went through the whole series of Alias and
point out the real and the fake conspiracies in that show. But she seems
to have immediately gone to doing pr work for the CIA. So here's one
example. Now, I'm not doing this to prove that Jennifer Garner is a
again a foreign operative, that there's the CIA is a giant machine that has
tons of different careers for all kinds of different people, and not everybody involved
in these careers is nefarious or has nefarious designs, or even knows exactly what's
going on. But this is to demonstrate that it's not crazy, it's not
out of hand absurd. We can't handwave the idea of people from Hollywood directly
directly working with intelligence agencies. And here's one promo example, has never been
more vital for national security if you're an American citizen and seek a challenging,
rewarding career where you can make a difference in the world. And yeah,
I apologize for that because when I play the introductory stuff, I have to
have everything muted, so that with our playing the intro song or whether I'm
playing one of the ads, everything has to be muted. And then when
I switch back over to the different channel or to the different stream deck,
thing like it mutes it. So let me start this over. It's not
very long. It's one minute. Here we go. I'm Jennifer Garner.
I play a CIA officer on the ABC TV series Alias. In the real
world, the CIA serves as our country's first line of defense in the ongoing
war against international terrorism. CIA's mission is clear and direct, safeguard America and
its people, and it takes smart people with ride ranging talents and diverse backgrounds
to carry out this mission. People with integrity, common sense, patriotism,
and courage, the kind of people who have always worked for the agency.
But since the tragic events of nine to eleven, the CIA has an even
stronger need for creative innovative, flexible men and women from diverse backgrounds with a
broad range of perspectives. Right now, the CIA has important exciting jobs for
US citizens, especially those with foreign language skills. Today, the collection of
foreign intelligence has never been more fire for national security. If you're an American
citizen and seek a challenging, rewarding career where you can make a difference in
the world and here at home, contact the agency at WWW. So somebody
said this looks like a gamer recruiting video. It probably is right now.
This was mid two thousand, so it's a little early for but I mean
this could be in the era of like Deus Acts or it kind of does
have the aesthetics of you know, you're Chris Redfield in Resident Evil and you're
getting the call from like your your handlers or your people at you know,
OPSAC or whatever. So yeah, exactly, I think, and it's probably
engineered to be that way to you know, to appeal to young people or
whatever. So yeah, this is one classic example of her doing promo recruitment
stuff. Let's also not forget the class I want to kind of have all
the classics in this talk, right, because people forget these and they don't
know about this and it's all new to them. And this is coming out
in the last couple of weeks because we've had a few pretty big events.
Two really big events. We've had the Kat Williams interview with Sean Shan Chaysha
or whatever I do his name was where they was drinking kanyak and getting lit
and talking about how basically everybody's everybody skittles and compromised. Shocker, right,
So we had that and that Kat Williams interview went super viral, like fifty
million views now, right, something crazy like that for an, which is
for an interview, that's crazy, right. I mean, the Sammy the
Bull interview on Patrick Bett David was crazy viral with like twenty million views,
right, that was huge. So I mean this is like fifty million now,
that's crazy, and we I mean it's a three hour podcast. But
we broke it down the other night where basically we get the you know,
the meat of what we talk about is pretty much admitted, right, big
quote Illuminati parties. He talked about a lot of people being skittles and blackmailed.
Right, that's the and then the degradation humiliation rituals, which Kat Williams
mentioned, I'm not gonna tell y'all about y'all know who I'm talking about.
Okay, there's a group of people that come to me. Okay, they
come to me when they got dirt. That's all I'm saying. That's my
cat. I gotta work on a little bit, but it's getting there anyway.
Anyway, then we had NATO meetings discussing how they batted around the idea
of recruiting Taylor Swift to be involved in information operations and psychological warfare to promote
certain ideas and agendas. Whoa right and a lot of people were sort of
like blown away by this, and oh, that's old hat around here.
We've been talking about this for fifteen years. But then that story got even
bigger, got infused with new life, because it turns out now everybody's into
the drama of their relationship her in this Travis Kelsey dude or what he's got
a weird ass name. By the way, I'm proud to say I've never
even heard of this. I don't even know who these people are. I
mean, obviously I've heard of Taylor Swift, right, because she speaks to
me. Her music speaks to my psyche to my generation, to what I've
gone through. Just kidding, by the way, but no idea who Travis
Kiel kellus say. Travis Kellis, my milkshake brings out of boys said about
and they're like, it's better than yourrs. Damn right, it's better than
yours. Travis Kellers Boye kellys is who sings the milkshake song. For those
that are slow boys in the audience, we have to we have to footnote
the jokes I make. Now my footnotes and my impression has got to get
footnoted because of the because of the things Zoomer Boomer audience that doesn't know the
millennial gen X. See, I'm hitting up the millennial gen X sweet spot.
Boomer's over here, Zoomer's over here, don't know what I'm talking about
anyway, anyway, Yes, he's a sports baller man exactly. Travis Kellers,
his milkshake brings on the Taylor's to the bar. They're like, it's
swifter than yours. Damn right, it's swifter than yours. Taylor swifter.
Anyway, how did we get to how do we gonna? Oh oh oh,
the big sy ops of the week. Yeah, that's right, So
now everybody's speculating and Twitter's going crazy talking about how Taylor Swift and the dude's
relationship is part of the drama of the super Bowl and because he took money
from Big Stabby, right, he's a big Stabby promoter. Now she's gonna
be pushing Joe Biden stuff. What, which is like the oldest trick in
the book. Don't y'all remember, Like, remember when Katy Perry was she
was performing at Biden's crap four or five years ago. Of course they're going
to pull out the controlled mind, controlled sex kitten pop stars, duh.
And then Twitter is acting like, I mean, the idiots on Twitter,
right, the Libs because Jaipersobiac tweeted about it, and they're acting like,
what, this is crazy, This will never happen. There's no such thing
as pop stars used in psychological operations or for propaganda. This is unheard of
at the mean, And as I'm watching Democrats on Twitter actually say that they're
absolutely glad that Taylor Swift is going to help Joe Biden get elected, I
mean, so it doesn't exist. Taylor Swift is not doing this to help
Biden, but she's helping Biden, and so it does exist. It's it's
a classic psycho thing that libs do, right, gos luyten gosh d right.
I mean that they actually gaslight. Right. So they call gaslighting anything
from disagreeing to making a joke, right, they call that gaslighting, not
even knowing what gasling actually is. Right. But gaslighting is when you to
somebody's face, deny the thing that's happening in everybody's face, and you keep
doubling down on lying to their face about what's in their face. So like,
for example, my favorite example of gaslighting is the guy from The Daily
Beest too many years ago, was arguing with me on Twitter, the Doctor,
the official doctor of the Daily Beast, talking about the books written by
Jonah Salk, and I put up the books. I have the books.
I've talked about them and shown them for many many years. And the response
from the doctor was, Jonah Salk does not have books about this, And
I'm like, I have the book right here here it is that is not
a Jonah Sauk book that Jonah Suk wrote. I mean, what that's gaslighting,
even as you like put up pictures of the book that you have,
and the response is that. Yeah, that doesn't exist. It's not a
real thing. I mean, I have the book, it's right here in
my hand. We've lectured on it. Yeah, it doesn't exist. That's
gasliny. Right. One of the dudes talking smack to me on Twitter today,
I said, here, let's look at the clip where they discussed they
actually show the NATO meeting. And he says, yeah, it doesn't show
a NATO meeting. And I'm like, what does it show? He says,
you're playing a Fox News clip. I'm like, the Fox News clip
plays the NATO clip, dummy, and he's like, yeah, it doesn't
though, I mean, like what that's just like, so this is what
you're dealing with, and people this still mystifies and like blows the minds of
people that you have this level of gaslighting, right, I mean, but
that's what is happening now, Like the Internet is turning into this thing where
interactions and exchanges are no longer rational. They're not based on argumentation, they're
not based on logic. You can't have actual debates with people anymore because people
have lost all their moral compass. And when you lose your moral compass,
the person that you're debating with most of the time, right, the population,
and like they're not after the truth. So it's no longer a truth
ascertaining exercise to debate. It's a power struggle, a struggle session to humiliate
and to dominate. That's and that's what actually what most people think debate is,
right. They think that it's just performative. It's not actually giving substantial
arguments and proofs and evidence and whatever. No, No, it's performative displaying
of humiliation. Who can better humiliate a person? And I'm not talking about
making a joke or using rhetoric, right, we do that. I'm talking
about legistrative gaslight. Yeah, there is no clip that shows a NATO meeting
discussing using Taylor Swift does a side out. So let's play this clip first,
because it doesn't. It's not Fox News. That's the clip, dummy.
Fox News is playing the NATO clip. This is so stupid. This
is She's been blanketed across the sports media entertainment atmosphere. The New York Times
just speculated she's a lesbian and last year's tour broke Ticketmaster, a tour that's
revenue tops the GDP of fifty countries. I mean, I like her music,
she's all right, but I mean, have you ever wondered why or
how she blew up like this? Well, around four years ago, the
Pentagon Psychological Operations Unit floated turning Taylor Swift into an asset during a NATO meeting.
Well kind of asset, a psyop for combating online misinformation. Listen,
you came in here wanting to understand how you just go out there and counter
an information operation with The idea is that social influence can help can help encourage
or promote behavior chain, so potentially as like a peaceful information operation. I
include Taylor Swift in here because she's you know, she's a fairly influential online
person. I don't know if you've heard of her. Yeah, that's real.
The Pentagon sy op unit pitched NATO on turning Taylor Swift into an asset
for combating misinformation online. This is nothing new. In the nineteen fifties,
the government strong armed Louis Armstrong into doing propaganda tours across Africa. The CIA
did the same thing with jazz singer Nina Simone, except they did it without
her really knowing. In the seventies, Nixon enlisted Elvis in his war on
drugs. He gave the King a badge and named him a covert. Federal
law enforcement agent. Michael Jackson was tapped by Reagan using his song beat It
and his public service campaigns against teen drinking and driving, Michael Jackson persuading minors
not to drink anyway. So Swift from for a political legitim Prime Time obviously
has no evidence. If we did, we'd share it. But we're curious
because the pop star who endorsed Biden is urging millions of her followers to vote.
She's sharing links and her boyfriend Travis Kelty sponsored by and their relationship boosted
the NFL a whole new demographic. So going there, you go, right,
I mean, if you study this stuff, it's obvious. Right,
We've talked about this for so long. I'm going to talk about that as
well. But yeah, I mean, and so that was two weeks ago,
that report, the Jesse Waters report, that's from a you know,
maybe two or three weeks ago. And then today the news is really ramping
up because it's starting to become obvious. Taylor Swift to the rescue Biden Ies
celebrity endorsement stunt to boost reelection bid. President Biden's approval ratings are in the
Oh my gosh, these pop ups, dude, who can even read news
websites anymore? President Biden's approval ratings are in the toilet, and the Donald
is on the rise. As we all expected, Biden's campaign is eyeing Taylor
Swift for help. They want Swift to endorse him, as she did in
twenty twenty. Taylor Swift's Eras tour has drawn as many as seventy one thousand
fans to a single show, the highest grossing music tour of all time.
Now here's the interesting part. Do you notice who was at that NATO meeting.
All I saw was women batting around ideas about how to tap into the
youth market of voting whatever. So women, who does Taylor Swift's entire mega
market appeal to the minds of young women? Right? And girls? Always
explained that, Well, you don't understand because she has tapped into the inner
psyche of how girls think and their experiences in the modern dating world and all
this kind of stuff. Okay, yeah, maybe, But what I'm saying
is that that's secondary to her usage for these people, which is to bring
Taylor Swift and her massive girl audience into being registered voters of Rock the Vote
and the feely's creeper party, Right, That's what this is about. What
do I mean about the swaying them into the fueler creepers? But I'm talking
about the Democratic Party, right, And that doesn't mean that I'm like Rhinos
and Democrats are awful, right, but the Rhinos at least have to keep
up the appearance of not being for absolute total creeper degeneracy. And the Democrats
have just outright full on gone full creeper oh publicly everybody knows this, I
mean, just full on total creeper mode. Right. So let's get into
the history of this and why this is. You guys remember too, the
same thing with Katy Perry, right, And Katy Perry has a long history
of odd connections in her family, her dad being this weird megachurch pastor who
connected to other international, big mega churches. Weird stuff going on there.
And then Katie Perry moves from the evangelical pseudo Christian music department to mega super
duper pop star, right, and she performs at the DNC What was that
twenty sixteen? Yes, right, she's over there performing all that's stupid.
Hear me rise and roar to Biden's twenty sixteen thing. Remember this, you
have a tager. By the way, my pop music is way better than
Katy Perry's. We all know that too, by the way. Anyway,
so nothing new here. Pop stars are always typically going to be right singing
for the latest Democrat creeper candidate. Same with super Bowl right for the most
part. But what about the history of all this? Is this a new
phenomenon? As the guy said to me, it doesn't exist today. I'm
sure you can find some example of this in history, but that doesn't mean
it exists today. Well, let's go back to history. We'll start there
the first famous case. And a lot of people think this is kind of
overblown. I think it is. But she's known because it's an interesting story,
and it's a famous case of this. Madahari better known as that's our
stage name, a Dutch exotic dancer in courtesan who was convicted of being a
spy for Germany during World War One. She was eventually executed by a farming
squad and following squad in flance the idea we have a beautiful exotic dancer,
so an entertainer using her powers of seduction as a spy made her name synonymous
with the femme fatale. Her story has served as inspiration for many books,
films, documentaries, et cetera. It has been said that she was convicted
and condemned because the French army needed escape goat some theorized and so perhaps this
was exacerbated beyond what she really was if you don't know. Again, this
is probably the most famous historical honey pot swallow operation. And we've been talking
about this this week with as we covered sexpionage. Right, so here's some
images of Matahari. If you've never heard of her, seen her the equivalent
of like a cabaret dancer. Right, And so she slept with some people
and got some dirt, you know, not a huge not a huge deal.
But this is nothing new because if we go to Russia, right,
there's the famous case of Olga Tchekhova, who many think I don't think it's
been demonstrably proven, but there's a lot of evidence that suggest that the most
famous Russian I think she was actress and ballet star at this time. Yeah,
she was a student of the famous method actor Stanislavsky, the wife of
Mikhilchukhov, state actress of the Germans. Tiny mustache Man was it seems very
likely an agent for Stalin. So she embedded herself and got close to a
lot of people in the circles of Tony mustache Man, and it's a very
fascinating story. It's not known for sure what her role was, but she
was in more than one hundred films, including the classic original Mulin Rouge so
Olga Chekov as a classic example. There's also a whole history of an opera
singer at this time. I don't remember her name, but if you go
to the Russian History Museum's YouTube page, they have an entire lecture on a
famous Russian opera singer who was a spy around this time. I don't remember
her name though, but you can look that up. Then of course there
is we can't forget. We did a whole podcast on Sonya Biegert. There's
a whole movie on her called Spy, which is really good. And Sonyavigert
was the born to an upper class family in Oslo in nineteen thirteen. She
had the desire to be a fashion designer, but later on she ended up
studying languages and dance in France. She was very intelligent and actually spoke five
languages. After she won a talent competition to be the next Spreta Garbo,
she became a movie theater actress. At age twenty one. She became a
successful movie actress in nor In fact, she was actually the most famous actress
in the nineteen thirties and forties from Norway. She married a Swedish writer and
moved to Sweden in nineteen thirty nine. When Norway was invaded by the Germans
in nineteen forties, she was already established as a prominent actress, most famous
Scandinavian movie star. She's very pretty. She has a kind of a nicole
kidman esque vibe about her. Well, if you've heard of her story,
then you know what happens is that the Allied powers tell her, Hey,
we have your father arrested, and if you don't start sleeping with tiny mustache
Man's high command, your father will remain in jail and perhaps die. So
she then is forced to engage in intimacy's and lovey w time with one or
maybe two. I don't remember the exact story, but basically she's recruited,
forced into she's cajoled into being a swallow, and the movie is really good
about this. It presents it in a fascinating way. She actually got a
lot of hate and vitriol because people thought that she was this trader and she
was a bad person and all, and it turns out it was she was
not a bad person. She was forced into this so very unfortunate situation to
have the state forced you into doing these kinds of things. But this is
the reality of what happens sometimes. So you know, this serves as an
example as well to why we can't always be super judgy about everybody in entertainment
and engaged in certain things because we don't know their full story. Right.
I'm not saying that that excuses everybody, that there's no scumbags. I'm just
saying that we don't always know people's full story. In her case, she
they basically used her father as the means to get her to engage in being
a swallow. So Sonya Wigert case is a classic, and go watch the
movie on Amazon or whatever. It's called. Spy Spy, really good spy
movie. Let's see. Also, by the way, speaking of Forgotten spy
movies. There's a similar type of story with a movie that has it's a
French movie that not many people know about with Sophie Marceau, where it's British
intelligence agents women particularly here, which is fascinating two thousand and eight movie.
This is a good movie. You should watch this because it actually gets into
a lot of what you hear me talking about, because you have these British
intelligence basically setting up an operation using French women recruited into British intelligence work for
the SE Special Operations Executive. Right, it's got the Sophie Marceau is the
main star. It's got that dude that's the member him. He's the boyfriend
Money Money, he's the boyfriend of fran Carpatente and Run Little Run. So
he plays the the evil tiny mustache man guy. Sophie Marceau is the handler
to this British spy operation and they're they're at one point they use one of
the girls as a swallow. So and I'm assuming this is probably based on
some sort of real history event, but it's just another example of because no
it is, I did look this up. We don't know all the details,
right, So a lot of times in some of these spy stories like
this, like we don't know every detail, but it's based on a woman.
The Sophie Marceaux characters based on a woman who was engaged in some sort
of operation loosely like this, right. So anyway, the French movie Female
Agents is also good for demonstrating us. But in that movie they use a
swallow operative. So as we are working our way through history various examples,
let's go to the forties because this is where things really ramp up with the
creation of the OSS. And if you don't know, one of the most
famous directors in the history of Hollywood is John Ford. John Ford was recently,
for example, impersonated by David Lynch, which I thought was fascinating.
In the Spielberg movie, I forget the name of the movie, but it's
about Spielberg's life, right, And at the end they're depicting the event where
Spielberg meets john Ford, and it's David Lynch playing john fordy. He plays
them perfectly if you watch john Ford interviews. So this is at a history
website and they're going through the history of World War II stuff, and it
says on May seventh, nineteen forty five, General Alfred Yodel, chief German
Army Operations Staff, signed the surrender documents ending the major fight in the European
theater. The oss A company the US Army occupation forces to Germany to begin
rebuilding the devastating country of the former enemy. The first step was the d
tiny mustache manning of the Reich. This required methodical sorting of tiny mustache man
war criminals from the general population in order to select leaders for the new Germany.
This is the re education program that we talked about from the Raw tou
book. This is easier said than done. To a solid that process,
American military authorities took a surprising change of attitude that was distributing, disturbing to
Vertel, who was the OSS agent that we want to talk about her.
Vertel was a German born Jewish jew who had argued for the use of German
and nationals in OSS espionage operations. He confronted reluctant and sometimes hostile American military
commander Is with the argument that there were many trustworthy Germans and they should not
all be viewed as tiny mustache men. However, in the post war atmosphere,
he and other OSS personnel felt that US officials made two quick a reversal
in their attitude and over embracing of the position that most Germans were actually tiny
mustache meen Betel's post war Hollywood career, Vertel returned to Hollywood and wrote the
screenplay for the nineteen fifty one spy Maview Decision Before Not. It was based
on a novel call It Treason, written by other OSS comrade George Howe.
The film was a composite of Vertel and How's experience in the seventh Army OSS
Detachment German Powespionage operation. The story was filmed in Germany and realistically portrayed a
young, idealistic Wehrnormacht corporal on an OSS mission inside the Right. Vertel went
on to assist John Houston with the script for the nineteen fifty one classic The
African Queen. He would later marry popular movie actress Deborah Kerr. Nearly two
hundred OSS agents were involved in this operation. Theater Veratil died at age eighty
six. I'm skipping down. He not only left his mark on the OSS
been in Hollywood as a writer collaborator, including with Ernest Hemingway, and John
Houston. What about John Ford, Hollywood director, John Ford brought a unique,
brought unique fallen, unique fallen. I don't know what that means anyway,
So we're going to skip past. John Ford's Rise to Prominence project was
not taken seriously by the Navy brass For many months. Ford was ridiculed in
some quarters as a warmonger and an overaged, overaged c scout his appeals for
the authorization or no response, but he was well connected in the Navy Reserve
and persisted. He lobbied Washington eventually got official sanction in nineteen forty. By
nineteen forty one, the draft being felt in Hollywood, field Photographic was deluged
with application. So this is a program involving people to do field photography.
In nineteen forty one, John Ford and his unit members were summoned to Washington,
where a big surprise was awaiting them. With the support of Marion Cooper,
a film producer and colorful soldier of fortune, Field Photographic Services headed by
who William Wild Bill Donovan, that's the first founding member of the OSS.
Legendary World War Medal of Honor winner. Ford was to be accountable to while
Bill Donovan, who in turn reported to President Franklin delan Or Roosevelt. The
unit was assigned an operating budget of five million dollars. Fords unit received as
first So here's a direct connection between the OSS and john Ford for wartime field
photographic operations. And it makes sense too, because I mean, if you're
gonna engage in important symbolic photography coming out of the war theater, then you're
gonna want to use people like famous directors, wouldn't you, of course,
So this goes into a lot of the different usages of field photographic and then
it goes on to talk about his later works and how they tied into operations
like rolling Operation Torch. Immediately after the White House screening, john Ford flew
to London, Pan America with Pennock, now his unofficial aid. The purpose
was organized field photographic crews for Operation Torch, the upcoming Allied invasion of North
Africa. Ford sent his camera crews to the British Commando School at Aknakari in
the Scottish Highlands for special training and conditioning. The complex invasion was launched nineteen
forty two with Allied task Force including I'm Gonna Skipped down past that. So
you see that this is continuing to be used. Right, This is not
some one off thing. This is throughout the war. Theater and Ford is
just one example. There's other famous Hollywood people that had intimate OSS work and
cooperation. I mean, this article goes into tremendous detail, and it goes
on and on and on. He did all kinds of crazy stuff, right,
but people forget the basics. Did you know the most famous and first
TV cook Julia Child? Julia Child was a spy for the OSS. This
is the CIA's own website, so for those that think it's a conspiracy theory,
directly from CIA dot gov. Julia Child is best known for bringing French
cuisine into America's mainstream. But if you know that she had a dynamic career
as an intelligence officer before she became the cooking icon, and it goes into
her time at OSS headquarters with Bill Donovan. And this is interesting because again
you might think that the founding of the OSS would be all of these eggheads
and these nerds, but actually it turns out a lot of these characters are
pretty colorful. You have theater people, you have children's authors or old doll
you have people very close to Disney. You have people who are chefs,
cooks, so that the original you know, early era OSS is a lot
of colorful characters, including some Hollywood people. Right, So it's not it's
not what you think of as you know, nerds sitting around, you know,
reading books and studying printouts to try to figure out what what's some dictators
up to the early era of this is, you know, entertainers. Now
it's not only entertainers. Obviously Bill Donovan has a military career and he was
I don't know, parachuting into various operations in the war whatever. So so
it's all over the boards I'm trying to say, right, and other early
OSS people come out of Wall Street. At the early phases, they were
recruiting millionaire playboys andeen forties. So this is actually what the character. One
of the first mentions of the oss In film is the movie Notorious with It's
the Hitchcock film with Carry Grant uh and Cary Grant is playing a raven.
Raven is a male version of a swallow. Right, so he'scing, seducing
and playing Ingrid Bergmann. Because Ingrid Bergmann is in the circles of or is
dating James Mason, who's playing a tiny mustache men follower. Right, So
if you've never seen Notorious, that's that's a great classic Hitchcock spy movie.
And although it's again not it's not it's mentioned I think in Passing Carry Grant's
playing an OSS operative, which is odd too, because they're always touting,
right, as we saw Amante saying and other people saying, the CIA,
we don't engage in sexual espionage. What I mean, that's just preposterous.
Right, Maybe the CIA as an official agency doesn't, but they can have
assets and groups that work for them that do engage in that kind of stuff.
I mean, that's just ridiculous. It's patently false. But if you've
not seen Notorious, then you should watch it because you'll notice what I'm saying.
Oh, we can't forget other the Dominican it's not just cooks, theater
people, lawyers, Wall Street people, Felix, the dominic, the Dominican
ecumenists. Remember we found him in the Operation Gladiol book. He was one
of the early OSS people. And he's not just a Dominican ecumenist theologian influential
at Vatican two. He also writes movies, Catholic movies, and he created
the Prodeo Language School. Remember this guy, what is his last name?
Felix Oss, Dominican pro Deo Language School, which has got to be upfront
for that's a father, Felix mor Leone, the Roman Catholic money launderer,
intelligence operative. Correct, that's him, and is remember the Oss. Well,
I'm not going to go to Reddit for that Felix mor Leone. It's
actually I think in his obituary. Okay, have you noticed, by the
way, how uh the search results are way different than they were now,
like even like a few months ago. This is so crazy how they constantly
alter and change this stuff to where it's really hard to find this this stuff?
Aha? Is this what? Because I wanted an academic sources? M
I t yep. I mean it's in the William's Gladiol book but Missionaries who
spy for the United States during World War Two, and of course it talks
about Felix mor Leone. But if you don't know what was a father Felix
also doing? Oh he was writing Roman Catholic movie scripts like Flowers of Saint
Francis. Yes, now what did I put in my second esotery Hollywood book.
I put an entire chapter on this very thing, movies that promote Roman
Catholic themes written by Roman Catholic ecumenists like Father Felix at mor Leon. So
point being, then it's not restricted to government nerds or dorks or James Bond
type people. People working with the OSS and the CIA are from all various
types of backgrounds, actors, Wall Street, lawyers, cooks, on and
on on. So when we come back, we're gonna go through some more
of the literature. I got a bunch more historical examples. If you want
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There's nothing great about So here we go, you know, making the point
about john Ford, you know, as another example, doesn't mean that John
Ford isn't a talented director. It doesn't mean that he's a talented artist.
But when we look at these articles like how the OSS helped john Ford win
an Oscar twice, documents in the CIA Archives explain how the acclaimed director of
Battle of Midway and December seventh was so successful. John Ford had already made
multiple Academy Award winning films, in fact three Best Director awards for the Informer
Stage Coach in Grapes of Wrath, but with the support of the Oss,
the filmmaker that was popular for his work with John Wayne. He went on
to win, you know, I need to do a better John Wayne.
Let me. Let me try to. I haven't thought about John Wayne.
What's a John Wayne line? Let's see if I can do a good John
Wayne. Let's see hired nerd John Wayne best lines? Because this makes sense
with the Richard, the Jack Burton earlier. Right, because John Wayne is
Jack Burry Well, like what kids to teach him better? All right?
Aft, you get up? I don't hold jail. I guess I hate
a liar. This this sucks. Whoever made that at least put quality lines
to come on quality video? Bro, it's the same video. Gud you're
doing it. These aren't even good singers off shot gun all forget that,
forget my John Wayne impression. Nobody even cares who John Wayne is anymore.
Uh So, But the article was pointing out that John Ford here we go.
Recently unearthed CIA documents illuminate Ford's relationship with Oss director will Bill Donovan,
and then they were eager to contribute to his war effort of your So here's
letters back and forth between Donovan and the discussions of john Ford's works, and
this again is what helped him win these great awards. So in other words,
there was political usage for the documentaries that he was doing at the time
that helped support the war effort, what America's designs were. And this demonstrates
again the most famous directors, the most famous pop stars, the most famous
actors, actresses have a long history of being given awards even and promoted and
made huge precisely for how having these establishment connections and for pushing the establishment line.
So hopefully you see that doesn't mean that john Ford isn't talented, doesn't
mean that he's not a good director, right, just means that we see
this common pattern of certain people rise to mega mega mega levels oftentimes not just
because they're you know, talented or in the right place at the right time.
They have those things, but they also, in our i think typically
in order to be mega mega megastars is they have the backing of of the
establishment a large degree. And we see that again with john Ford. Let's
see next when we move up into the nineteen sixties and seventies. I could
too. I want to mention some more the literature because people again think that
this is crazy, it doesn't exist. So you know, I wrote my
book in twenty sixteen. I think of the first ess start Callywood came about
twenty sixteen, and I talked about a lot of you know, history of
British theater and British intelligence operatives and their connection to British spy fiction writing,
you know, novels, Graham Green, Joseph Conrad, these kinds of characters.
And just last year, the establishment itself or twenty twenty one, I
guess, a super duper normy pro like NPC dude actually writes a book as
the official historian of British Intelligence, Christopher Andrew, and he writes a famous
book now Stars and Spies Intelligence Operations in the Entertainment business. Oh so now
you say it's okay to talk about this, right because the establishment guy who
writes the official I five history has now okayed what can be spoken of and
what can be mentioned. But remember all the way up until a few years
before he published this, you can't talk about this. This is crazy.
It doesn't exist. There's no such thing as this. It's a ten full
hack conspiracy. Let me write my public guardian approved, right, mainstream New
York Times reading whatever lists, approved book, and now it's okay to talk
about You say, oh see, it does exist. What's the what's the
classic move? It doesn't exist. You're crazy if you talk about it.
It exists, but it's not bad of it. It's not a big deal.
So what why do you care? And then it turns into of course
it exists, and here's why, that's a great thing. The liberal journal
headline, right, Remember remember the deep state? They did the same thing
with that headline. Right. The process of like what the deep state is,
which comes out of the writings of Peter Dale Scott, the famous intelligence
critic writer guy So. For example, Peterdale Scott famously wrote books like this,
right, powder snorting and powerful People. But not just powder snorting and
powerful people, but how this connects to the networks run by the CIA,
for example, drugs, armies, and the relationship of the CAA to Central
America. Now, Peterdale Scott was again famous for writing about these topics,
and he coined the term deep state. So it was a very useful term
for a state within a state to describe how our system actually runs. That
it doesn't run on the basis of publicly elected leaders. I mean, to
a degree it does. We all think that that's who's running the show,
but actually there's an inner powerful clique that's above the Democrat Republican divide that calls
the shots, and they call the shots through a host e vented including but
not limited to, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trial Autoral Commission,
the Biddleburg Group, all sorts of NGOs, think think tanks, foundations,
Ran Corporation, Carnegie Foundation, Rock Fuller Foundation, on and on on,
all the NGOs, including the ng os of foreign nations, which you can
figure out. Yes, all of those things play a role in really setting
the policy. So here we go, as we move up into the nineteen
sixties. What about the sixties counterculture? Well, actually, before I get
to that, and believe it or not, actually James Bond is related to
the sixties counterculture. So people don't know this, but you know when you
get into the academic literature, and I'm just showing this as one example.
So the guy who was like talking smack I have this is this is just
one half of the shelf on this time. So this is just books that
I pulled off one half of them. There's a whole shelf up there.
I didn't pull the whole shelf down. This is just books dealing with the
history of James Bond studies and film studies, right, and by extension,
literature as well. And this is a whole domain of its own. It's
called bondology, right. And when you get into this you start to realize
that when I wait a minute, if there's entire academic domain is discussing this,
here's one book, the James Bond phenomena Critical Reader, and this is
how Bond is used in literature and in movies and by extension and propaganda.
Right. There are countless important biographies which touch on the operations that Ian Fleming
was involved in, like in Flamming Sacred War by Craig Cobble. There are
books like Ben McIntyre is a famous intelligence writer. For example, if you
watch the Operation Min's Meat movie that came out, I think, is it
Benedict Cucumber batches in that movie? I forget who's in it? This is
all right movie, But that's based on the book by Ben McIntyre on Operation
Min's Meat, which involves Ian Fleming being a key player in that. He
has a great book called Ian Fleming and James Bond, and as one of
the again foremost writers on this topic, you're gonna note that a lot of
the things that you hear me say, which sounds crazy like there's a Chrollian
element to James Bond is actually coming from Bondologist academics and scholars, So he's
a whole He has a whole chapter on the figure of Blowfeld. Lowfeld is
a composite of Villain's but the figure of blow Blowfeld based on Croley. So
again, they make movies out of Ben McIntyre's works. Ben McIntyre writes on
Ian Fleming, who they make the most famous character of all time James Bond.
That's now I think that the franchises I think second or third Tor,
Harry Potter and Star I think Harry Potter and Star Wars are have topped Bond.
But anyway, at one point Bond was like the you know, the
biggest franchise in the world. He's still obviously in the top five at least
I think. But this is another academic text that I used when I was
studying this at the grad level, which was fascinating because this one, This,
of all of these books, and I've got a million of them,
this one actually had the most interesting geopolitical side to it, and it talked
about how all kinds of elements of pop culture were used during the Cold War
in terms of symbolism and film. Jeremy Black's book The Politics of James Bond,
and you'll notice there's a whole chapter here on things like Moonraker and rockets
and the V two rocket program, which comes out of the Moonraker book,
which is not about space program, but it's loosely about this. Basically,
Hugo Drax is going to for eugenics reasons get rid of England, so it
relates to it, but it's not. If you watch Moonraker the movie when
they go to freaking space stations, that's all nonsense orry anyway. So I'm
just pointing out that you realize there's like entire genres of academia that talk about
the thing that I talk about a lot that people still think is like this
crazy made up conspiracy. They more academic literature. James Bond in philosophy.
This was an Okay, it wasn't that great. This is more of an
academ make treatment cultural history of Bond in the Bond Films, okay, another
academic text revisioning James Bond. Another academic text, Ian Fleming and the Cultural
Politics of James Bond. Okay, so you understand that again this is its
own there's a whole genre. That's not all the books on this. There's
a bunch more. And I've talked about this book a lot too, which
is this is a former CIA person, I forget what in what capacity,
but he wrote a book on the history of spy fiction and espionage and that
many or most, maybe even most espionage writers come out of espionage. Shocker.
They're writing about what they know about and they want to make money because
government employees don't make a lot of money, right, So those are just
that's just a smattering. Now beyond that, outside of Bond, we already
have Francis Stunner. Saunder's famous book, very well known now, the CIA
in the World of Arts, the Letters the Cultural Cold War, and this
is her treatment of the Congress for Cultural Freedom and the work that it did
to promote what the CIA and the Cold War saw as promoting the American ideals.
Now, the big mistake that a lot of people make is that they
think that the CIA was a conservative institution or a traditional institution during the Cold
War against a tyrannical liberal Soviet regime. That is not true. The West
were the liberals, the Soviets were the anti liberals. Because Marxism has always
been, at least in terms of its public you know, propaganda, and
ultimately in terms of its ideology, anti liberal. So it's very confusing to
modern people who don't know about history and they think Marxism liberalism, the CIA
was conservative and right wing. No, that's not true. The CIA has
at times supported classical liberalism, and it has supported anti Soviet policies, but
it is not anti liberal and has never been quote conservative. So these are
huge misunderstandings, and that's why, especially during the Cold War, the CIA
was so interested in promoting anything that was abstract art, anything that was what
we now call modern art, anything that was brutalist, brutalist architecture, Bauhaus.
I mean it spills over into architecture. Because this is a cultural war.
Culture war. Culture war is not something that the moral rearmament people came
up with, not something that comes out of the moral majority of the Reagan
era. Culture war is ideological warfare extrapolated to the society in general. So
it's the principles of psychological warfare in wartime applied to the mass population, and
culture war, particularly after Lippmann and Burns and these kinds of people, gets
very scientific and specified. I mean, I've got all the Tavistock Frankfurt School,
you know, people and their books over here, right, We've got
Lippman, We've got Burnees. We've lectured through these books. We haven't lectured
through Litman yet, but we've lectured through Bernees, We've lectured through AHG.
Wells, who's just the Brenees before Wells. So we know that you know
this, that culture war is studied in an nth degree, and this whole
book is about that from an academic perspective. And if you remember, we
found I don't know if I'll be able to find it again. Let's see
if I can find it. Let's see if it was Francis Stoner Saunders.
Somebody found a clip was I found it and I put it on my Twitter.
I'll never be able to find it though. Twitter search is terrible.
Have you noticed that, Like you can't find anything on that. You actually
use Google to find stuff on Twitter, which is weird. But let's see
if I can find this clip, you're gonna find it to be very relative.
Francis Stoner Saunders Twitter. Mm hmmm, yes, I think I found
it. Amazing. No, that's just me talking about it. Let's see
if this is somebody else that put it up. No, it's the cultural
old War. Let's try videos. Hmmm, No, that's not it.
Thrill, I see researches in live time. It's a really good clip though,
if I can find it, see I not see you a m hm,
Francis Stars anyway. Oh, it's in my highlights, that's it,
but I'll have to scroll back through quite a few of the highlights. Let's
say, if we can do it this way, all right, So going
back to and she's basically just summarizing it. It's her speaking at a big
like a c SPAN event, and she's summarizing her findings in the book.
The book is very big and long. It also overlaps, by the way,
with Operation mocking Bird. Because mocking Bird there's a chapter in the World,
The Wilson Worlitzer, The Mighty Worlitz her book, there's a chapter on
mocking Bird overlapping with the Congress for Cultural Freedom because it's media, right,
Uh should be pretty close to in here somewhere, because I remember sending this
clip to Tim Gordon. Anyway, this is probably too hard to find,
but it's so weird. That is this the case for everybody else? I'm
sure it is, right? Is everybody else having the same problem of like
where you when you try to find something, you know, the search that
you used even like six months ago doesn't pull up the same results anymore,
which I know you can save it obviously, which and I have this clip.
It's just not easily accessible at the moment. So maybe somebody's dming me
the clip. Let me see, maybe they found it. Otherwise we'll just
move on. But it's basically Francis, Yeah, here it is, thank
you to Rachel. Rachel found it, so let me send this clip to
you guys. Here it is. Why'd that be? Pardner? That's the
that was all right? I don't even know what John. I don't like
Western so I don't know John Wayne lines like I can make up a John
Wayne saddle up, Pardner. I mean it just sounds like something crap.
He would say, saddle up, partner. I don't know, Uh,
what does John Wayne say? What does the John Wayne? But John Wayne
says like a talk, like a kid's toy, like a thinking say or
whatever it's called that John Wayne goes saddle up partner. Uh. Trying to
send myself to this clip so that we can watch it. There we go.
Why do'll I be Pardner? Francis Stoner Saunders. She looks like a
wine ant. There we go, y'all all ready, y'all ready if it
is whoa dude? This is the whole talk. I'm not complaining. I
appreciate the link. Thank you, Rachel. I wonder where she talks about
the big name people. Let me start by apologizing for my slightly casual appearance,
but American Airlines have one of my bags someplace, So this is the
best I could do. I was asked just now, and I think it's
probably a good place to start why someone who took an English degree at Oxford
would possibly get involved with the story involving the CIA, And I have to
say briefly, I shall describe the accidental journey that brings me here, which
is that nothing to do with the suitcase, by the way, which is
that in the early nineties I was researching or developing a series of documentaries for
independent television in England. Who's Entries. Half of the really good material you
have as the editor of a magazine which emphasized its independence, received from Fleischmann.
Others were less acquiescent of books in which it was wholly or partially involved,
and scores of magazines, congresses and concerts, art exhibitions and seminars.
At the close of the Second World War. Yeah, so she's talking about
congress or cultural freedom here. The CIA states the one outright victor had suddenly
found itself a superpower, needing a culture to match it. Stirred over the
wire at Russia, which had pursued intellectual politics ever since Catherine the Great,
and set about acquiring worldwide intellectual admiration and support. As the Cold War froze
and ideologies divided, the US government, through its intelligence and espionage arm,
poured huge resources into a cultural propaganda campaign. A central feature of this campaign
was to advance the claim that it didn't exist. The CIA was an effect
acting as America the Ministry of Culture. Did you hear that? Countless tons
of money poured into the Congress for Cultural Freedom to promote and control the It's
basically the Ministry of culture she's talking about, like or well stuff, right,
And people on Twitter today are losing their minds still because they don't believe
this exists. Right, It's so crazy to think that the CIA would have
any interest in Taylor Swift. Some dude telling me SILIA doesn't care about some
blonde pop star. Really, the most powerful pop star in the world,
who has the attention of probably a billion girls, The CIA doesn't care about
that, So just showing it, you're idiocy. And by the way,
the guy talking all the SMAC was an engineer. I don't know what that
deals with the engineers. Lately, the engineers have been coming out of the
woodwork with the worst takes. I've been talking up engineers a lot in the
last years because you know, engineers seem to be, in my view,
the closest thing to actual science, Like there really are putting the science to
the pedal to the metal, actually producing things, whereas a lot of science
is just propaganda, like life sciences and speculating about how we were seeded by
aliens through panspermia a billion years ago. That's all just gibberisal. That's science
fiction. That's science fiction, bro, But actual science in my view,
that's like engineers as people creating stuff, right, building computers, bridges,
whatever. Anyway, But what people don't learn, know or understand, especially
if they're educated, and that goes off, read a lot of World War
two books. Yeah, good for you. So what you read a bunch
of normy World War two books that don't talk about the relationship of the intelligence
agencies to Hollywood, which, by the way, that actually does come up
in normy World War two books. So you haven't even read that much World
War two stuff. If you think this is crazy, I mean Hitchcock was
filming World War two propaganda reels. So the centerpiece of the CIA's culture camp
or cultural struggle was the Congress for Cultural Freedom, established in Berlin in the
summer of nineteen fifty. The Congress was an apparently spontaneous alliance of intellectuals and
artists committed to demonstrating the fallibility of the Soviet mythos and the superiority of Western
democracy. Is a framework for Cultural and Philosophical Inquiry. Its membership read like
a who's who of the eminence crees of the period. Julian Huxley, Mirchelarde,
Andre Malro, Guido Piovene, Herbert Reid, Thornton Wilder, JP Naryan,
Hugh, Trevor Roper, James T. Farrell, Raymond Erroon, you
got Stravinsky, Ignazio Silone, ROBERTA. Rossellini, Willy Brandt, Ernst Reuter,
A j Ayre, Herbert Reed, Malcolm Muggridge, James Burnham, Sidney
Hook, Arthur Schlesinger, Junior, Arthur Cursler, Mary McCarthy, Diana and
Lionel Trilling, Norman Thomas, Upton, Sinclair, John Steinbeck, Alan Tate,
Robert Penwarren. The list is endless. It is endless. Did you
hear that? Did you hear that? Did you hear the list, which
is just a smattering by the way, it goes on to include bertrand Russell.
Yeah, Malcolm Muggridge was a British intelligence. Let's listen to this again,
because idiots don't believe this, and they won't listen, and they don't
probably don't even know who these people are. Who who the hell is?
John Thumbert, Sidney Hook, Herbert Reed, Thornton Wilder, J P.
Narran, Hugh Trevor Roper, James T. Farrell, Raymond Erroon, you
got Stravinsky, Ignazio Silone, ROBERTA Rossellini, Willy Brandt, Ernst roy A,
j Ayre, Herbert Reed, Malcolm Muggridge, James Burnham, Sidney Hook,
Arthur Schlesinger Jr. Arthur Kursler, Mary McCarthy, Diana and Lionel Trilling,
Arthur Kesler, Arthur Kessler, Ghost in the Machine, one of the
inner elite that we covered. We covered that whole book where Kessler says we
need to introduce poisons into the food and the water, drugs to depopulate.
Yes, that's in We've covered it for years. She just mentioned that he's
one of the cultural Cold War shills inclaired John Steinbeck Alante, Robert Penwarren.
The list is endless. It is endless. I just realized he goes on
and on. It even features Jackson Pollock that he was probably drunk when he
joined. Honorary presidents were Bertrand, Russell, Benedetta Crossche, John Dewey,
Carl Jasper's Salvador. You hear that Jack Mary Tane and Ryan Holden Neiber.
You hear that it's not least Jacques Marritaine, the famous Jesuit Bertrand Russell.
These are the thought leaders speaking, the mouthpiece fought leading of the CIA throughout
the Cold War. Doesn't mean the Soviets are good guys, dummy. It's
before you start saying who's a svi probably when he joined honorary presidents with Bertrand
Russell, Benedette Cross, John Dewey, Carl Jennison, John Dewey, Jaspers
the philosopher. So you noticed this includes academics and famous philosophers. Now Jack
Marytaine and Ryan Holden, Jesuit, Jacques Maritaine, and not just Jacques Maritaine,
because we find out that the CIA's doctrinal warfare program, headed by C.
D. Jackson was John Courtney Murray was the point man for that.
It's the entire whim hoffbook. So you understand that the Cold War functioned as
this big excuse for the CIA to step into all areas of American life,
the domain of religion, the domain of literature, the domain of Hollywood,
the domain of the music, industry to fight the Cold War for America's interests.
Of course, this was not about winning a Cold War for America's interests.
It was about a long term social engineering plan to bring about technocracy,
which is why the people who write the books that she mentioned, For example,
Miles Copeland, what were the key figures running CIA operations? Who then
becomes a music executive writes in his books about how if you want to understand
the CIA's long term goals, read the CFR and Bertrand Russell about depopulation.
Now, these are just examples. And to remind you as well, let's
go to the sixties counterculture. What about Gloria Steinem. Surely she's a feature.
She would be a cultural Marxist right, cultural Marxism, she would be.
She's like a Soviet right. No, Gloria Steinem, according to even
the CIA, was paid by the CIA to push CIA liberalism. These are
public academic sites, noting that Glorious Steinem has a long history of being with
and closely tied toon working with the CIA, just like modern art was a
liberal CIA pushed movement. So all of the dumb libertarians and conservatives and neocons
who think that the Soviets were the liberals and the Americans of the conservatives,
and that today were as they share the Bury Bezmanov clip, we're fighting the
Soviets. We're fighting, So this is a distraction. Soviets lost, they
don't exist anymore. They're gone. Now it's the Fortune one hundred that push
what you call cultural Marxism is a corporate agenda. And they still can't figure
this out, and they still can't figure out that their boomer Revolution of the
nineteen sixties was also a fake revolution. I give the CIA a total credit
for sponsoring and initiating the entire consciousness movement counterculture events of the nineteen sixties.
Dr Timothy Leary the nineteen sixties Johnny Appleseed of LSD. The CIA funded and
supported and encouraged hundreds of young psychiatrists experiment with this drug. The fallout from
that was the young psychologists began taking it themselves, discovering that it was an
intelligence enhancing, consciousness raising experience. Yeah, so, CIA mouthpiece Timothy Leary
tells you himself that the nineteen sixties counterculture revolution is the provenance of the CIA,
So you can thank the CIA for that. Of course, many books
have covered that. We've covered it endlessly for probably eight to ten years.
Now. We're scenes Inside the Canyon as a classic on that. My two
books cover that. Now, Let's not forget and you can go watch my
part two to this or not to this, but to the talk that we
did about dirty, dirty espionage. It covers this. And if you remember
this story with this character, remember him, why he just happens to have
a whole bunch of Hollywood people flying on his planes, not just government people,
not just boring government with people. Well why does this matter? Oh?
Well, because maybe that this operation Jeff's McAffrey, Jeff Stan mceffrey,
Maybe that operation, oh what just happens to tie into the CIA and other
foreign government blackmail operations on record. Now, so you see the point there.
Hopefully, guys, if you would like and share, a lot more
could be said. This is a super deep rabbhole the more you get into
it. Let's not forget that Ben Affleck himself talked about it openly. You
know, was it a telegraph interview? Let's see if it's if they haven't
scrubbed a yet, right, and yes, I'm aware that it's not just
the CIA but a lot of these intelligence agencies. They kind of work together,
right. I think it's phrase with the same flip side of the same
coin. Yeah, this is it still there. This is what the Guardian.
He said it in two interviews for TurboTax, so he doesn't just say
that. He also says in another publication. But you get the point,
right that, Like, there's a there's a tremendous amount of documentation of this
when you dig into it, when you start looking at it. And it
doesn't mean that every Hollywood person is a CIA operative. It doesn't mean every
Hollywood actor is mind controlled. Okay, never said anything ridiculous. Every time
I start talking about this, normies that want to argue against it, they
always give you these They always attribute to you these uh straw men positions.
Right, Oh, you're saying to everybody in Hollywood works with the CIA.
Oh you're said to everybody's a MicroTape. No, never said that. That's
lying to put words in my mouth and to create a straw man. No.
In fact, it's specifically identified with sources. And this is what the
people can't fathom. All this is sourced. I mean using robots. We
tried to get the message upstairs, and you know, the clandestine services are
both spend most of their time convincing people that something that's not true is in
fact true. You don't have a better bad idea that they have telling stories
and oftentimes uses that and philanthropic causes or political causes or people mer or man
I think are good. But you know, there are really positive offshoots.
Mostly I think it's you know, self surveying and kind of designed to be
that way, but I think some good things also do happen. This is
an exceptional example of something good that I would say that it's I mean that
there's comic elements to it. I guess we're not satirizing Hollywood in the sense
that we're like not holding specific things up for you know, to be lampooned.
But there is a you know, there is a way in which the
movie sort of rolls its eyes a bit. I think they're quite a few,
Yes, I think probably, as do you think. I think they're
probably quite a few. Yes, I think probably Hollywood is full of agents
and we just don't know what. Oh yeah, thank you. Ben exactly
appreciate that. Letting Us By the Way Ourgo is a movie about an actual
CI operation using a movie. So go watch ourgo. If you don't believe
what I'm talking about, let's go to the super chats. We've got chefy.
Five dollars. I'm new to Christianity in general. I've not prayed until
recently. Sometimes I doubt myself. I say things in circles. Orthodox approach
is to start sort of with uh written prayers, So I would say,
start praying the psalms and then find you can find an Orthodox prayer book PGAP
on Instagram. Ten dollars. How would you defend the following Orthodox traditions to
a Protestant perpetual virginity of Mary, a bachelor, regeneration for infants, possibility
of receiving salvation after death, I mean infants. This is contested by some.
I would just start reading some of the you know, classic introduction to
Orthodox books like Rock and Sand by Father Trendham or Way The Truth in the
Life by doctor Clark Carlton. Those are great starts when it comes to apologetic
responses to Protestants and demon Five dollars. They're gonna make up video livestream about
big platform converts like Gedeon and Young Don So I've literally sent tons of messages
to these people. I've I mean, I've asked young Don like multiple times.
They don't. They ignore these these things. So I don't think that
young Don is interested in anybody correcting him on anything. He seems to think
he knows it all already. I don't know the Jideon guy. I've heard
about this, and I know that they're turning people to arianism, but I
mean, I don't know what to do other than continuing to ask these people
to have some kind of interaction or exchange. So now somebody just reached out
to Hotep, and Hotep is going to have me on next week, I
think, not over theology issues, just in general. But the way that
that happened was somebody sent Hotep in this case a super chat and said,
hey, would you have jay on? And he said yes, and because
he's been on Lord Voldemort. Uh, and then he realized that I host
Fourth Hour, he was willing to have a conversation. So the best way,
it seems is, and this is how it happened with Timcast too,
was people just kept asking and putting my name in there. So if you
want to get me on a show or to have a conversation. It doesn't
work for just me to reach out to people the ninety percent of the time.
The way this happens, and this is how the step On debate happened.
This is how the Matt Dela Honey debate happened. It's you guys asking
the people to have me on. That's the only way that ever happens,
because if I just send a message, if I send an email, if
I send a d M, if I tag them publicly, it gets ignored.
So this is literally the only way to make it happen. MK ten
eighty two. Saussy spy chief Marcus Wolf was Epstein Handler. I haven't come
across that yet. I do have Marcus Wolf book up here. I have
this book, so I'm not saying that that's not possible. I just haven't
come across that information yet. Wolf is an expert in utilizing sexpionolagy yep,
I understand that. Looks up the sack, look up the Saxony swamp.
Okay, I'll try to look. I'll try to dig into that. I
wonder if she I don't know if she talks about Wolf. Let me see,
I don't see a reference to Marcus Wolf, but Rybranium five dollars.
Remember during the early days of KOUF, CNN used Sesame Street to push this
stuff. Yes, and there's also all the big rock stars j Low Foo
fighters. They also did concerts. Remember, So what do you mean it's
crazy to think that Taylor Swift is used in propaganda? Duh? Like I
don't know anything orthodoxology. I'm not going to read that. Can't talk about
that. On YouTube, John three dollars. JK. Rowling talked about Skittles
she an artist that skipped through the cracks. Well, no, I don't
think she's. I think she's pretty much toes the line. She just for
whatever reason I think she doesn't she think that the tr A n S agenda
is contrary to feminism. I mean it isn't her. She's just not as
radical as in the latest phase of liberals, so that doesn't make her based
in red pill right anyway, Thank you guys. Be sure and head on
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