1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:09,919 Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by Fan Tracks. Here's Kiss Books, 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,280 your source of information and analysis to help you win your fantasy hockey league. 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,679 Block off hot a step hit on, staylock Blocks. Here's your host, 4 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:27,320 Jesse Solviera and Victor Nuno Fantasy Hockey Life. Welcome back once again. This 5 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:31,839 is Jesse Severe, joined in spirit though not in voice by Victor Nuno. 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:37,399 Because as we did last week playing the Hits, this week, Victor and 7 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:42,000 I are deep in our bunkers preparing for the thirty two team previews. I 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,880 think I think we might record half of them in the month of May. 9 00:00:46,039 --> 00:00:50,200 It's going to be flat out nuts what we're going to be doing here in 10 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:56,079 the coming weeks, which means right now we are rerunning a series in probably 11 00:00:56,119 --> 00:01:00,920 the low time of the year for fantasy dynasty fantasy hockey purposes that deals with 12 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:07,480 salary cap leagues. Victor and I are in a number of salary cap leagues 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,760 I am I've started since we recorded this. These episodes were from last year 14 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:17,519 a four sport league, three sports of which have a salary component called the 15 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:22,519 Diesel, as a part of my other podcast, Dynasty Sports Life, and 16 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,879 we thought that these insights are pretty well evergreen, and so I've created something 17 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:33,000 of a remix. This is kind of a slimmed down version of what we 18 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,719 created last year, but it's Victor and I. The first episode was really 19 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,560 about the basics of salary cap leagues, how to design a salary cap league, 20 00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:44,079 the types of choices you should make when you do it. This episode 21 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:49,439 is more about the strategy of playing in a salary cap league in the kinds 22 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:55,040 of things. And hopefully you will enjoy this even if you heard it the 23 00:01:55,079 --> 00:01:57,359 first time. These are helpful reminders. We don't have all the answers, 24 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:04,519 but maybe these will engage you with the questions. Remember you can talk salarycaps 25 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:08,800 or everything else at our discord, Fantasy Hockey Life Discord. Just contact us 26 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:14,199 Fantasy Hockeylife at gmail dot com, or hit Victor or myself up on x 27 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,159 at. Fanhockey Life is me at Victor Nuno twelve is Victor. We also 28 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:23,759 have a Patreon Patreon dot com fantasy slash Fantasy Hockey Life. We got a 29 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:28,840 website Fantasy Hockeylife dot com. There are all kinds of cool things that you 30 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,800 can here described various points. I don't know them off the top of my 31 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,560 head. But join in and you will find cool things there. All right, 32 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:51,800 enough of the introductory talk. Let's get to salary talking. Let you 33 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:57,520 tell people about the about the startup tract. Definitely one of the most fun 34 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,120 parts the setup draft. A lot of people this is like the best part 35 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:05,360 and it's fun. But also you could totally screw this up, so you 36 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:07,960 want to do it right. You don't want to you don't want to regret 37 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,719 it later, and nobody is. Nobody enjoys it when somebody is all, 38 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,360 I'm bailing, and you can give some whatever reason, but the real reason 39 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,319 is that you messed up your draft and now your team sucks, and you 40 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,319 don't want to do that to your league. You don't want to do that 41 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:24,680 to yourself. So you really have to figure out how you're going to assess 42 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:29,280 players. And in salary cap leagues, it's been said a million times, 43 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,439 but it's true. It is all about value per dollar. Whether it's points 44 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:38,680 or categories, it's value per dollar. It doesn't matter how much production the 45 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:43,919 player has, it's relative to how much they cost against your cap. So 46 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,560 in the end, yes, you do need production, but you have to 47 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:53,719 keep in mind that you're constrained by the cap, and so you can't just 48 00:03:53,919 --> 00:04:00,120 have wasteful production that is costing you way too much in a points league. 49 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,840 So you'll have to calculate this, and it's pretty easy. You can take 50 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:09,319 their points from the previous season projected points. I love Fantasy hockey geek. 51 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,000 I've used it for years. It gives you projected you can have it from 52 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:15,759 in the offseason. You can have it based on the previous year, the 53 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:21,279 previous couple of years, whatever you want, and then you divide that projected 54 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:27,160 production by the cappit if you using cappit or av whatever. So it's very 55 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,439 easy to get that value per dollar. It might give you some really weird 56 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,319 number because you're dividing by a small smallish number by a very large number where 57 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:38,480 you can just multiplay it by a thousand or ten thousand or a million whatever, 58 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:41,959 And then it gives you a nice, easy to reference integer and you 59 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,800 can just look at the relative value of each player, and that makes it 60 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,639 clean. It makes it easy. It's not just looking at how many Fantasy 61 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:57,199 points that player has, but you're dividing it by a very easy number to 62 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,839 look at. And then now it normalizes incentzes it for everybody, and you 63 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:06,759 can much more easily compare apples to apples in a categories league. This is 64 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:10,800 a bit trickier, but I'll tell you what I do, and I feel 65 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,279 like this has really helped me because before I found it really difficult. As 66 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:15,600 I was saying, how do you in the previous episode, how do you 67 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:21,199 compare someone's hit some blocks to someone's shots and special teams points. It's a 68 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:25,480 little bit it's a little bit tricky, but what I do is I use 69 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:29,879 Fantasy Hockey Geek, which gives you a relative value score. They call it 70 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,920 the Fantasy Hockey or FGV or something like that, doesn't matter. It gives 71 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:41,879 you the relative value and then you can divide that by the dollar amount that 72 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:46,000 what that value is on Fantasy Hockey Gek is basically all of that player's basically 73 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,600 average standard deviation from the average and each category added up. And so the 74 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:56,560 higher the number, the better. The farther they are from they are from 75 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,879 average in each relative category. So if you have somebody who's Fantasy Hockey Geek 76 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:08,399 value is eighty and another player is forty, that's a massive increase. But 77 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:14,360 it's also a little bit hard because it isn't. It doesn't separate players sometimes 78 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,240 enough. It depends on your league and how many stats you have, because 79 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:20,480 for some leagues it might separate you very well and others it might not. 80 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:26,480 So I go a step further and I use a calculation that I use to 81 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:34,319 what I think is better better give the relative scarcity and value for each stat 82 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:41,279 that I just call the multiplier. So what I do is basically take that 83 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:46,759 value and help and I multiply it by a decimal that adds up to one, 84 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:53,040 And basically that's giving a little bit more value to those things that I 85 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,439 think are scarce, like special teams. Points are harder to acquire than hits. 86 00:06:58,079 --> 00:07:01,639 They're not as many players that get them, they don't happen as frequently, 87 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:05,319 So that's something that I would prioritize. Same I would say with goals, 88 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,959 right, a little bit harder to get than even assists, right, 89 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,839 And then players who shoot a lot, it's a little bit harder to get 90 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:15,519 those players who shoot a lot as supposed to those who maybe hit a lot 91 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:20,040 or block a lot. So you can assign this multiplier and it helps you 92 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:29,199 get a little bit more granular with how much you're separating each player by so 93 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,560 that I think can help. So once you do any of those things, 94 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,680 there's lots of different ways that you can assign value, but you need to 95 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,360 boil it down to value per dollar, and then when you get to that 96 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:47,560 point, you need to hide the player's name and just look at the worth 97 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:54,680 per dollar, because sometimes we can get very carried away with, oh, 98 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:59,240 I want this player on my team. He's very good, whether he's fun 99 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,560 to watch or whether he's exciting or whatever, or whether in your other leagues 100 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:07,079 he's a strong producer. And that may be the case, but if the 101 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,160 cost is just too much, then you have to be very careful of that. 102 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,199 You got to decide who the best players are. Also, you can't 103 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,160 miss out on stars. But would you pass on Connor McDavid just because the 104 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:24,600 cap hit and go for say like an Andre Kuzmenko instead. Probably not in 105 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,279 later rounds you might, I think in general, in the first few rounds 106 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,679 you need to get some of those stars, and the stars that are on 107 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,919 decent contracts are going to be the best value. But you have to have 108 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,840 some of those. But you also can't have too many of those stars take 109 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:46,080 up too much of your cap and Also, stars that are on elcs are 110 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,960 great, and a lot of people will talk about how, oh, yeah, 111 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,559 you need all these guys on elcs, and you do to some extent, 112 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,480 But you also have to remember that the stars that are on un two 113 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,200 level contracts elc's, they're going to get paid pretty soon. And if they're 114 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,480 already producing like Gangbusters on their ELC, they're going to be getting paid a 115 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,919 ton on their actual contracts, So you have to be careful of that. 116 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,240 Some of the recent examples of really good contracts or guys like Nathan McKinnon, 117 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,519 David Pasternak, they were the darlings of these cap leagues for so long because 118 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,679 you're getting amazing production at very reasonable cost. Crosby is another one who has 119 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,480 had a reasonable contract for a very long time. In fact, all the 120 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,279 Boston guys had really good contracts in their prime, right You had your Posturenox, 121 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,080 your Marsians, your Bergeron. They all had really good contracts. Now 122 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,559 Pasta is getting paid, So those are all things to think about. One 123 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,360 of the best examples right now is Ryan NuGen Hopkins RNH, who has a 124 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:45,960 contract of five point one two five million for six more seasons. He's a 125 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,679 star in the league, and he's getting paid reasonable and for as long as 126 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,799 that, as long as he's on that top power play. He doesn't always 127 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,960 play it with the top stars in that league, but he's he's out there 128 00:09:56,159 --> 00:09:58,960 for the top power play and he's putting up tons of power play points, 129 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:05,519 which is often really hard to get in one hundred points. Over one hundred 130 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:09,559 points not too shabby. And even if you hadn't predicted that, you just 131 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,399 had to know that with the power play time, he's getting a lot of 132 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,039 good production and that contract is reasonable five million, and even if he's a 133 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:20,679 little bit older, not such a huge risk. And I think the other 134 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,600 thing is cost control is huge. But you don't, like I said, 135 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:30,000 with the ELC, like that value per dollar of guys that are on their 136 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:35,799 ELCS are incredible, but also not gonna last forever. Just think about a 137 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:39,480 couple of years ago when Caprisov was winning the call Their Trophy and putting up 138 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:43,159 point per game season making like nine hundred and twenty five thousand. That was 139 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:48,080 incredible, But you knew he was going to get paid, and you knew 140 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,000 that was going to go up a lot, and it did, and so 141 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,919 you had to be prepared for that. Don't just assume that he's gonna stay 142 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,960 there forever. So the cost controlled assets, the ones that are onlike reason 143 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,919 contracts for five six years between four and six million, those are key. 144 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:09,000 And as an example of maybe what not to do, is that if you 145 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,240 just went by name value and you had Austin Matthews, Mitch Marner or Timmy 146 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:18,200 Penaer and McDavid Eric Carlson all on your team, that would be an amazing 147 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,600 team. Right. But in a cap league, that's over fifty eight million 148 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:24,279 against your cap. And let's say, for the simplicity of math, that 149 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,600 you have one hundred million dollars cap. That's five players taking up fifty eight 150 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,879 percent of your cap. If you have a twenty man roster, that means 151 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:35,919 you have forty two million to pay the other guys, the other fifteen guys. 152 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,519 I know that was a lot of numbers, but that's an average of 153 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:43,639 two point eight million for the other fifteen guys on your roster. Go ahead 154 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,559 and look at cap Friendly and puck PDA and see how many good players you 155 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:50,840 can get for two point eight million. There are not a lot. There 156 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,960 are not a lot. I just have Minnesota's page open right now, you 157 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:58,440 could get a Gustaf night Quist or an Oscar Sumquist for two point eight million. 158 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,720 Is that what you want to fill out your roster? Is that going 159 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:05,879 to make you competitive? Because oftentimes it isn't just the frosting on the cake 160 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,440 that you need all the other stuff too. You need the actual the eggs 161 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,440 and flour and all that to keep the hold it together. You need the 162 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,759 meat and potatoes guys to give you the other stats as well and to give 163 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,840 you that production. So you have to be careful that your stars don't take 164 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,519 up too much of your cap. And those guys I mentioned Matthews, Marner 165 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:33,000 Paner, and McDavid Carlson are not necessarily equal, right because Matthews, with 166 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,039 the goals and the shots and even some of the blocks that he put in 167 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:39,000 this year, was pretty not terrible value based on his contract. But a 168 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:43,039 guy like Paneren, who just gives you assists and doesn't shoot and doesn't block 169 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,720 and doesn't do other things, his value per dollar is pretty terrible. McDavid 170 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,399 and Carlson are both amazing, and we could have a reasonable debate about whether 171 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,960 they're worth it value per dollar. I think in a lot of leagues they 172 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,840 may actually not be just based on how expensive they are, But if you 173 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:03,480 can get other guys on reasonable contracts, then it's not so bad. Then 174 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:07,000 if you can be smart and get other guys at value, then it can 175 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:11,480 be okay to have some of those top stars because in the end, production 176 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,039 is production, and so I would say, and maybe you have a different 177 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,679 take on this, Jesse, but I would say, getting maybe two to 178 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:22,840 three of those guys that are really good no matter what the cost is okay 179 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:26,799 as long as you can be really smart and strategic about other guys on good 180 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:31,279 trunk contracts. But you can't have more than that because then it just becomes 181 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,000 too difficult. As I mentioned in my example, two point eight million dollar 182 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,559 guys, and then if you get one guy that's six or seven million, 183 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,679 now you're down two and like just over two million, two point two two 184 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,240 point three million for the rest of the guys, and that's just there's no 185 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:48,240 way, there's no way to build a competitive team with that kind of constraint. 186 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:54,080 So the other thing is the fantasy driven versus NHL driven salaries. The 187 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:58,200 principles don't really change, but you're working with different data. As Jesse said, 188 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,480 in the fantasy driven leagues, you have some influence over the salaries, 189 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,200 but that can be harder to keep it all straight. So you just have 190 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,480 to go with, Okay, what is the price set by the league for 191 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,840 this guy, and is that a value per dollar? Is still good and 192 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:13,080 it can get inflated in weird ways, but as long as you track it 193 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,960 and think about it that way, it's okay. It's okay. But I 194 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,679 do think that can be harder to keep it all straight because then you're like, 195 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,799 Okay, in this league, he's worth this much and the production and 196 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,720 so as long as you have a calculation to keep it all straight, you 197 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:31,080 just have to manually input all those salaries and then use that for your calculation. 198 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,480 But other than that, all the principles still apply. You don't want 199 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:37,960 too many guys that are too expensive based on the value per dollar, and 200 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,200 you want those guys that are value. Maybe somebody doesn't have the name value 201 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:48,799 but is really incredible based on their actual production, and so that's the kind 202 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:52,639 of guy you want. Doesn't hie the name, and you get your grid 203 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:58,039 value. Just think about someone like Andrew maiji Pani last year, who had 204 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,200 a ton of goals and wasn't getting paid that much? Okay, someone like 205 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,039 that is okay, it doesn't matter what the name is. As long as 206 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:09,799 they're producing, then great. But what do you think, Jesse, Yeah, 207 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,559 for sure, I'm going to get to some of these concepts from a 208 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:20,639 different direction in the second half of this episode. But I think this idea 209 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:26,559 of generating basically dollar per you know, a dollar per point you know is 210 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:31,600 ultimately what you're trying to determine in terms of the value. So using evaluation 211 00:15:31,799 --> 00:15:37,399 system, covering up the names, divide contract by dollar, and you are 212 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,480 going to have a good start to this. What I would say is there 213 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:48,399 is an artificial limit on NHL salaries because of the NHL salary cap and I 214 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,039 think there are maximum salaries in the NHL, right, So Connor McDavid has 215 00:15:52,080 --> 00:16:00,000 a capit of twelve point five million dollars and our Timmy penherans a million less 216 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,960 than that. Then you just start to go gradually down the ten million, 217 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,399 the nine million, all that type of stuff. I think McDavid, if 218 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,840 it was a totally free market, would be getting a lot more given what 219 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,440 he could do. There's an artificial limit up there, and what that means 220 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,759 is that some of the guys at the top are going to be values for 221 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:25,000 that. I bet when you divideed out you were going to see that Connor 222 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:29,679 McDavid and Austin Matthews are value for the dollar, but John Tavares and our 223 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,519 Timmy Peneren are not for the stats they are going to give you for fantasy. 224 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,639 So you're right on point, Victor, in terms of what is going 225 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,559 to create value in here. Whether you use Fantasy Hockey Geek, which I 226 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:48,720 believe is our colleague in the Daber Hockey universe, the dabber verse, that 227 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,519 is a good resource to use. I of course I always love to talk 228 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:56,919 about my homebrew projections in valuations. But whatever you're going to do there, 229 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:03,599 that is a great methodology that you're suggesting their, Victor, I got some 230 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,759 thoughts on this idea of the roster construction you're figuring out how to do your 231 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,920 draft. Victor has said, how are you going to evaluate these players to 232 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:15,960 decide how to draft? The other side of it is what your roster is 233 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,279 going to look like in the end that you're planning toward. Like Victor said, 234 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:26,119 there are problems with just getting all the top scoring players because of the 235 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:32,960 salary element. I highly recommend and I know Victor and I both do a 236 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:40,160 version of this is building a spreadsheet to track your stuff. It is critical 237 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,599 to me to have a way to track it, even outside of fan tracks, 238 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,799 just my team. The problem. You can let fan tracks gauge everything 239 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,880 else, but I want to be able to manipulate my data to mark things 240 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,920 up. There are ways to do that in fan tracks. I like to 241 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,160 have my own sheet. I'm not trying to turn into a self help or 242 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:04,359 I'm just telling you that a special especially as you handle multiple dynasty teams, 243 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,799 things like salary rosters, you're gonna want to have a way to do it. 244 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:11,519 It's tracking your team throughout the year. I think in cooking they got 245 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:15,519 something called a mes impla is a French thing which is where you set up 246 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:21,079 all your like your food. You set up all your stuff in one place 247 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,839 before you start to cook. You have your ingredients set out, you have 248 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,720 your knives and such, and then after everything is set up, that's when 249 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:32,039 you do the cooking. You don't just go and like randomly pull stuff in 250 00:18:32,079 --> 00:18:34,240 throughout. That's how the real chefs do it, and that is how I 251 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:37,880 am going to set up because I'm going to have my stuff in one place. 252 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,799 I have a Google sheet that has all my off season rosters, my 253 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,759 draft picks, a list of all my leagues that I'm in with, the 254 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:48,079 future draft dates, the buy ins whether I paid in, and I have 255 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,359 pages. Because what you ultimately want to do with what you set up is 256 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,599 you can download a fantrack's roster, paste it into a certain sheet, and 257 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,119 then have links to the sheet where you manipulate everything. You don't want to 258 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,559 have to download a sheet and then start over every time you want to be 259 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:07,279 able to download a sheet and it links in to what you have. Same 260 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:11,119 principles applying a lot of places. So I know not everybody's a spreadsheet person, 261 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,160 but I'm just saying there are a lot of things you can automate to 262 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,720 try to track and to try to strategize how you're building this roster, just 263 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:22,920 as a starting point, because you have to keep track of all these buyouts 264 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,720 and retentions, etc. That you've done. You can keep notes on what 265 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:30,519 your rival manager's done in the past. Anyway, this is a little bit 266 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,880 of an aside roster construction, but in terms of building your roster, obviously 267 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,440 If you're in a cap league, you're going to want to consider your budget. 268 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:42,119 I am an advocate for having at least some level of budget between your 269 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,880 different positions, especially in categories. You need to think about that. What 270 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,920 are you going to pay for in your league? Are you just grabbing value 271 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:55,720 where value happens, or are you trying to balance your roster across positions. 272 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,440 If you start and you get a bunch of center eligibles who are all your 273 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,799 stars, and then you don't have anybody in the other categories, you could 274 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,200 have some trouble. What Victor said about the dangers of just getting the stars 275 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,319 and damn the torpedoes from there is refined further at this step. The risk 276 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:15,240 is these lines are arbitrary. It could cost you value opportunities. If I 277 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:18,799 say twenty five percent of my roster goes to defenseman, and I have that 278 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,440 percentage already allocated or already filled up, and then a three point five million 279 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:26,799 dollar Brandon Montour drops in my lap. Should I not make a play for 280 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,920 him? Because he was like at least in certain leagues, In certain points 281 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,000 leagues I was in, he was the top ranked defenseman in the whole NHL 282 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,759 over the last thirty days of the year, So there's certain value to picking 283 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:42,480 a guy like that up. But this should be a familiar concept to anybody 284 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:45,880 who's ever been in an auction league and ever thought about how they're going to 285 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:51,440 do this. But I would suggest as competition advances, as you're playing better 286 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,000 and better players, if you haven't played in salary cap and you're going to 287 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:56,799 start playing some experienced players in salary cap, the players who have some level 288 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:00,839 of discipline around their budget, especially category leagues, are going to have the 289 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:07,480 advantage over people who just draft whatever looks good. You're an adult, probably 290 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,279 you're listening to the show. You probably have a credit card. You probably 291 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:15,440 understand the basic concept of having a budget and following it, but you need 292 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,559 to keep things in mind. What can you quote afford unquote within a cap? 293 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:23,799 When do you have to stop? It also allows for unique strategies. 294 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:30,519 I can think of our friends over at the kikupful again, additional dabber colleagues. 295 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:36,119 The Tier one auction you get to listen to that broadcast sometimes and they 296 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,480 get to do the Tier one up and the auction up in Tier one. 297 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,000 And there have been past examples of people who in that points league have pursued 298 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:48,480 very interesting strategies, like basically the zero goalie strategy. But you can do 299 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:52,839 that. You can decide to budget almost zero to your goalies or two dollars 300 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,279 your goalies out of your budget and try to overwhelm in some of the other 301 00:21:56,319 --> 00:22:00,359 categories if you think that you can get better efficient see further down there. 302 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,319 You have a lot more efficiency if you decide, and it's not a punt, 303 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,640 it's a let's set the budget down there, and if I can get 304 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,799 a good goalie for if I have a five dollars budget for my goalies, 305 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:14,880 I can get a good goalie for four, then great, then I'll get 306 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,480 it. But that is the max I want to pay over there, because 307 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:22,519 I want to pay in other positions. Stars and scrubs is something I love 308 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:25,759 to do in auction. I absolutely love to do it in a redraft auction 309 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,039 versus the balanced portfolio that other people do. There's the never ending dilemma that 310 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,359 comes up all the time. But is it different in a cap league. 311 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,200 Yes, it's very different. Stars and scrubs and balanced portfolio and Victor was 312 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:44,119 getting to this too, are very different in terms of your draft between a 313 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,759 cap league that is a dynasty and a cap league that is a one year 314 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:51,839 deal. First of all, if you're used to the auction format, you 315 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,799 think it's going to flow easily to a cap format. There's a world of 316 00:22:55,839 --> 00:23:00,440 difference between leagues where the budget is just used to draft your team at the 317 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,960 beginning of the year and a league where the salary figures are enforced throughout the 318 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:07,880 year and future years. Okay, if you have a two hundred and sixty 319 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,079 dollars budget and you have to put your team together, but then throughout the 320 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:17,480 year you can trade for players that are way higher expense than it. Maybe 321 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,480 you end up with a team that, had you drafted all those players in 322 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:25,920 the auction would have been worth four hundred dollars because of the trades you made 323 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,640 for more expensive players or waiverbids that you made for more expensive players who were 324 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,880 auctioned more expensively. That's all cool if you're doing a redraft and that's the 325 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,000 way you're doing it, But in a salary cap league, you're not just 326 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:41,759 going to be able to take people on willie nilly. You can have some 327 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,400 level of that, but that to me means that stars and scrubs is a 328 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,359 problem. I love it in a redraft auction because I feel like the upper 329 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:57,559 tier players are so much more valuable than the average player that I'm capturing value 330 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:03,240 there even by over paying for them. And my experience, especially in moderately 331 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,880 shallow leagues, it's not the kokouple is a little too hardcore for it to 332 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,319 work every year, although I got some success out of it even in the 333 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,559 higher tiers a couple of times. My experience in my little bootstrap rookie scribbles 334 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,039 have told me that the most valuable thing is standard deviation's of value over replacement. 335 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,119 And then the object of the season, after you get those superstar players 336 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,519 to build around, is to stream the scrubs mercilessly and build yourself up over 337 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,720 the scrub replacements who turn into breakouts. Keep filling those gaps, keep building 338 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:40,640 up the troughs. But as Victor said, you can't do it in salary. 339 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,400 You can't live on Oscar sunfisted alone. Man cannot live on sun twist 340 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,000 alone. I'm pretty sure that's in the good book somewhere. But in shallow 341 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,559 leagues maybe you can do some kind of a thing. But if you start 342 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:59,559 out with Matthews Vassilevski and Brady Kachuck. You're gonna have trouble getting everything else 343 00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:03,759 together. You're not going to be so the balanced portfolio does end up working 344 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:06,200 out, and that's good because that makes you a little bit more like a 345 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,359 real NHL team, or at least most of the real NHL teams. These 346 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,160 breakouts that you get also don't come free. You can grab Carter for Hagi 347 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,839 off the wire. He starts out real cheap, but in a dynasty salary, 348 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,000 in a couple of years, he's not going to be free anymore. 349 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,640 So that's another problem with the stars and scrubs is it's going to burn out 350 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,400 on you. And if you have too much of your salary, too much 351 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,319 of your budget committed to a couple of players, it just ain't going to 352 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,720 happen. The contracts are not all going to be minimums, and streaming takes 353 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,599 on a different note. That's the thing with salary cap. Streaming becomes a 354 00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:44,759 very different type of thing. There's not very much streaming, and like Victor 355 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:49,759 said, it could be very limited by these buyout things and how much you 356 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:53,839 can even drop players during the season, because if you drop a player and 357 00:25:53,880 --> 00:26:00,000 there's a consequence to that, then you're really it's screwed. You can't just 358 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,359 drop a player and pick up another player and call it good if you have 359 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,920 to retain some cap hit from the players that you drop. So if you 360 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,480 get frustrated by streaming leagues, you may find an advantage to this. On 361 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,160 the other hand, if you love streaming, that is going to be a 362 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,000 complication to playing in a cap league, you probably aren't going to be able 363 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:26,200 to do it like you're used to now. Like in in Victor and My 364 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,480 Common team, one of the things that we had is we had a lot 365 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:33,920 of minor league players who we can flex into positions who were relatively inexpensive, 366 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,240 and then we could move them up and down. So our streaming really came 367 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,799 from our bench, and it really came from our minor system. And there 368 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,640 were ways, there were loopholes for players that you could drop from your minor 369 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,039 league system that you wouldn't be paying for the same way. So that was 370 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:55,119 very helpful, but it is limiting at that point. So yeah, overall, 371 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,440 I would recommend a budget, I would recommend a balanced portfolio, and 372 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,720 I would echo everything Victor said about throw out your perceptions of who's a first 373 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,599 round player, who's a second round player, who's a third round player. 374 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:17,160 Divide production by cost. The higher players than that are the players you want, 375 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:21,880 and frankly, frankly, the most valuable player in some of these leagues, 376 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,079 you want to start with a couple of Connor McDavid's, Like there are 377 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,200 multiple Connor mcdavids, but you want a couple of ten polls to build around. 378 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:33,240 But almost the most valuable commodity in a salary cap league is a borderline 379 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:37,880 star producer on a cheap contract. The entry level contracts. Victor talked about 380 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,200 the players who are having that mid career breakout that maybe were not expected. 381 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:48,519 Those folks come up how huge, and especially in a Fantasy generated league. 382 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:56,440 I felt like in those leagues, in the red rock of Fantasy generated salary 383 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:03,799 league, the most value commodity in leagues where league salaries are set by bidding 384 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,359 is the one dollar player who's locked up over time, who produces way above 385 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:14,279 a one dollar level, because that added to your roster not only provides the 386 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:18,160 production, but it provides a gap for you to take on more superstar. 387 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,200 So it does in scrubs, it's very possible, and Fantasy generated regardless, 388 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:27,880 but it is in a salary cap but planal salary cap league, it's you've 389 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,079 almost got to have a balanced portfolio. If somebody set up your league, 390 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,119 if somebody set it up where you have way too much cap for what you 391 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,200 actually are going to have on your rosters, it's a very different thing. 392 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:42,839 Reactions to any of what I'm talking about, Victor, No, you made 393 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,559 some really excellent points in there, for sure, And like you said that, 394 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:52,359 I think if you're used to a league where you're just streaming every week, 395 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,359 then this is going to be a difficult adjustment for you, because I 396 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,480 don't think that's really going to be the case. There are some leagues that 397 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:03,640 I mentioned don't have buyouts that are just keep the cap under for that amount 398 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,519 of time. Some of them are weekly starts and you can just you can 399 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,839 stream that way, but most of these leagues are constructed that as Jesse said, 400 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,200 the streaming comes from your bench or from your miners, right, It's 401 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,880 like you're streaming in from the farm and then flexing guys up and down. 402 00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:22,559 A lot of these also have games played limits, and so you're doing a 403 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,440 lot of that type of streaming, but not so much from the wire, 404 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,319 because that's just a little bit, a little bit more complicated. It's a 405 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,920 little bit not as ideal, and there isn't as much there, especially if 406 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,440 you have buyouts, like you're not going to be able to do that, 407 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,680 and so for some people maybe that's not as much fun. It depends on 408 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,279 what you think about. For me, it's more fun to think about the 409 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,880 puzzle of putting together a good team with the constraints of the budget and all 410 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,160 the other things that we talked about, and then you can just sit back 411 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,240 and watch your team perform and then you can make some minor tweaks here there, 412 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,039 but you don't have to stream. You can't really stream every week and 413 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,200 grab some players when they're hot and hold on for a while, maybe buy 414 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,279 them out later. But it's a different kind of it's more of a long 415 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,000 view type of thing, which I enjoy, and it's definitely a bit different. 416 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,799 But it's also, as Jesse said, you have to really think about 417 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:19,599 this when you construct your roster, and those cost control assets are absolutely huge. 418 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,440 And we'll talk about this a little bit more in the third part, 419 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,640 managing your budget, so we'll definitely get to that. But yeah, I 420 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,400 thought you did a great job of breaking it all down, and I'm too. 421 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,039 I'm a fan of the Stars and scrubs to a point. I think 422 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,759 it's more of the stars and the intermediary guys because like in a lot of 423 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,720 leagues, you would want like stars and scrubs are okay because the wire you 424 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,000 can stream, there's a lot of more flexibility with that, but it isn't 425 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,400 usually as much with these kind of leagues. So you want, as I 426 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,240 mentioned, a couple of stars, and then you want just your cost controlled 427 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,480 assets. You want your good players, maybe not amazing players, but guys 428 00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:02,519 that fill in the categories at are relatively reasonable cost per dollar. That's the 429 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:06,160 rest of the puzzle to fill in. And then you have your miners eligible 430 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,279 guys that are an entry level contracts. And generally a lot of the quote 431 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,319 unquote streaming can come from there because you can get a guy who was a 432 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,119 nobody and all of a sudden he's playing NHL games and putting up shots, 433 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,000 hits, blocks, whatever, and so then you grab that guy and you 434 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,400 flex him in for as long as he's relevant or gets close to the game's 435 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,359 played limit, and then you can jettison him to the curb because once he's 436 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,039 making two or three million, it's not really the same value and it's not 437 00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:36,160 worth it anymore. You can find a new guy that's making league minimum on 438 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,160 an ELC. So that's more of where that part comes in. I would 439 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,559 say a great job. Yes see. Yeah, it does add a whole 440 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:48,599 different level to the way you need to build your roster because you can't just 441 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,720 bring everybody in. Now we are down to playing the games. Let's say 442 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:59,440 the season is started and you are trying to figure out how to maneuver every 443 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,880 single day. So victor give people some ideas on the strategies that they should 444 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,079 use to effectively manage a salary cap team. Definitely, this is definitely different 445 00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:14,480 than your other league, so you want to approach it that way. I 446 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:20,359 think the biggest thing is your budget, and you mentioned this many of you 447 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:24,599 maybe are adults. Adulting is hard sometimes and managing your budget is sometimes difficult. 448 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:30,079 Just remember that this money has to last you all year. You can't 449 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:32,799 just say, oh, I have all this money and then run to the 450 00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:37,160 candy and video game store and all at once and spend it all or I 451 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,519 guess blow it on Amazon buying a bunch of things that you want to treat 452 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:45,039 yourself with. Be careful. Cap space is a weapon, use it accordingly. 453 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:51,440 Don't just blow cap on some guy because you're like, Oh, I 454 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,880 guess I need a right winger. I'll just add Phil Kessel, which is 455 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,680 like terrible because he's so expensive right now or at least has been. So 456 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,319 Don't be like some gms that just seem to sign a warm body and not 457 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,279 really think about it too much. There's a solution to that. If you 458 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:15,079 feel like you need a player, instead of signing somebody or adding somebody who 459 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,480 has a bit of term, if you really need that, the easiest thing 460 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:22,960 to do is add a minors eligible player that you can flex up and someone 461 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,839 who you can easily drop. There's no reason to invest long term in somebody 462 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,359 that you might eventually have to buy out or is definitely not worth it on 463 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,480 a value per dollar basis. Don't take on a contract unless it's useful to 464 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:42,279 you. So a lot of people will take on some sort of cap dump 465 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,160 for what seems like peanuts. Maybe you've seen an NHL team do this and 466 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,880 you're like, wow, why are they doing that? And maybe that's the 467 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,039 relative value in the NHL. Who knows what goes on in those GM meetings. 468 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,720 But don't take on something unless it's worth it to you. What is 469 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,200 it that you need. If you need a prospect of denman, get that. 470 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,440 If you feel like you need a first round pick, don't do it 471 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,279 unless you get that. When some people are maybe a little bit unreasonable in 472 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,440 their request for some of these things. But the bottom line is, don't 473 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,960 do it unless you think it's valuable for you. There is no reason to 474 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,880 take on that contract and fill up your cap if you don't think it's something 475 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,840 that's going to be valuable to you. More people are just like, Oh, 476 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,039 I'm just gonna I'm gonna do this guy favor and take on this this 477 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:30,719 long contract for pennies, And that's that's not worth it. If you can 478 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:37,559 retain salary, do it. It's super valuable. If you get the right 479 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:43,559 return. Maybe you can add someone like Jesse reference that Sergey Bobovski is available 480 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,599 in one league. Hey, if you can add him, retain half the 481 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,880 salary and send him to a competitive team, you might get a really hefty 482 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,719 return, Especially like in some leagues there are it's really hard to get a 483 00:34:53,719 --> 00:35:00,000 hold of goalies and someone with a high cap hit like that might be available 484 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:07,119 and totally unattractive at ten million to some teams, but at half that, 485 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,079 all of a sudden, now you're speaking their language, and now they might 486 00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:15,639 be able to give you a really nice asset for that. So a five 487 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:20,159 million dollars Sergey Lebrowski, all of a sudden is a lot more enticing. 488 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,840 And maybe they'll give you a prospect of somebody who isn't going to help them 489 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,519 anytime soon. Maybe think of Kevin Korchinski or Franknazar. I don't know why 490 00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:32,960 I'm thinking of black Hawk prospects right now. Something that is a ways away, 491 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,960 it's not going to help that team anytime soon, but it's something that 492 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,400 you would really like as a maybe rebuilding team. Get a hefty return, 493 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:45,320 especially if you are committing retention dollars for multiple years, you better get a 494 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,239 really nice return. If you're retaining, say on a one year, that 495 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,840 probably isn't worth a whole lot. And but this is definitely where something you 496 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,840 should ask us, or ask the crowd to ask us in the discord. 497 00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:02,239 Is this a reasonable return for this amount of retention? And it definitely should 498 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,519 increase in value the longer the term is that you're retaining for, and obviously 499 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:12,920 the higher the dollar amount. Hopefully that makes sense. What exactly that is 500 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,760 worth, of course, is going to vary by individual and by team. 501 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,960 You have to think about that. But ask us if you're questioning, I 502 00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:24,360 personally do not retain money for long, for more than a year unless I'm 503 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,719 getting something really good for it, and hence I don't have a lot of 504 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,400 retentions on my books. You also have to remember that retention spot is super 505 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,920 valuable if you can, like most of the league's I'm in, you can 506 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,360 only retain on three contracts. I don't want to do it for just some 507 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,679 dinky old second round pick. That's not worth it. What is that going 508 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,079 to give me? Not a whole lot. So you have to be really 509 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,880 strategic with what you decide to fill up your retention spots for. But hey, 510 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,360 if I'm getting a first round pick, elite prospect and maybe another prospect 511 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,159 or too, then that might be worth it to hold in that spot. 512 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,760 That's something you have to think about. The Other thing is if you have 513 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:05,239 guys on injured reserve, don't just go adding more people to your team. 514 00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,320 And put yourself in a bind when they get healthy, because eventually those players 515 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,440 may get healthy and now all of a sudden, you might be over the 516 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,239 cap, or you might have to use one of your buyouts. You don't 517 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,480 want to put yourself in that situation where you have to make a move down 518 00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:23,360 the road. This happens often with teams, especially highly competitive teams. They 519 00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,159 don't want to miss out on activity or don't want to lose a week. 520 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,639 So you just you say, oh, I have the cap, I'm going 521 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:32,480 to add this player now, but you have to be careful that down the 522 00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:37,000 road that player may get healthy and all of a sudden you have to make 523 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,320 a decision that you didn't you wouldn't have otherwise had to make. You have 524 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,440 to buy somebody out or trade someone, especially if you're beyond the trade that 525 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,760 on now you really limit your options. You're either going to have an illegal 526 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,559 roster for being over the cap, or you're going to have to buy someone 527 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,960 out that you didn't want to buy out, or drop somebody. That's going 528 00:37:55,039 --> 00:38:00,920 to be difficult. As Jesse mentioned, I we keep a sheet for our 529 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,079 team's Mine looks basically like a cap friendly page, except it's on a Google 530 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,880 sheet, and I can move things around very nimbly and easily, and I 531 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,920 can look at because I think you need to look at. Not just it's 532 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,599 helpful to see at the bottom of the page on fan tracks what your salary 533 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,960 is and what you know how much your team is relative to the cap, 534 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,599 but you also want to know not just right now, but what is it 535 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:27,000 going to be next year? What is it going to be if I make 536 00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,719 this trade, What is it going to be if I move these players around. 537 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,320 You want to be able to adjust things and see what would this look 538 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,679 like. If you have one of these like Google sheets, where you can 539 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,079 move things around and see a year or two or three in the future, 540 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,639 it gives you an idea of where your cap is going to be. And 541 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,920 I think it's I think it's essential for these types of leagues because otherwise you 542 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,440 really have no idea. I don't know that you could do all that in 543 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,119 your head. If you can, great, but most people can't. So 544 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,800 you really want to have to do that. And if you want an example 545 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,480 of a sheet like that, I'd be happy to share with you. Just 546 00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,400 hit me up in the discord. But that's it's really key. You have 547 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,880 to keep this all straight, you have to see where you are because this 548 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,400 is going to impact your decisions. Do I make this ad, do I 549 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,639 make this trade? Do I move this player? Do I add this player? 550 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:13,679 And as Jesse mentioned, not only for the players currently what they're making, 551 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,039 but what are some of my star players going to be making in the 552 00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:23,239 future. What I have to be thinking about that in terms of what is 553 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,320 going to be, where's my cap situation going to be? And for some 554 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,360 of my in one of my teams that I'll be referencing, been a little 555 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:37,760 bit of a rebuilding state, and so I have a lot of really great 556 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,000 young players on my team, but all these players are going to be getting 557 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:45,079 paid, and so I have to have a little bit of an idea what 558 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,159 is going on and what is the sort of projected cap years from now, 559 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,320 so that I don't get myself into too much trouble. I have a bunch 560 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,840 of stars on the future, stars hopefully on this team, guys like ekland 561 00:39:57,199 --> 00:40:02,840 Ni's Urshashenko. I have Peterka, I have Thomas Harley, Christian Cairou, 562 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,320 Olin Zellweger, Lucasto Style. So I have a lot of really good prospects 563 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,519 which is great, but you have to remember that in two three years these 564 00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:15,960 players are going to be making probably five six, seven eight million, and 565 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,239 then where is that going to put you in terms of your cap? So 566 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,000 you have to be careful having too many long term contracts like I have Specinkov, 567 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:27,760 Nachushkin, meyro Heiskin In, Jack Hughes. So you have to be 568 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:32,760 careful. Okay, I'm not committing too much cap to these players or certain 569 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,480 players three four years from now when all my other stars are going to be 570 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,480 making money. So you have to have a little bit of a long view. 571 00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:43,679 Otherwise you're just going to get to that time and you're going to realize, 572 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,719 ooh, I'm in trouble and you're going to have to trade a star 573 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,320 that you didn't want to have to do. And so you don't want to 574 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,440 put yourself in that position. You have to consider all your tools at your 575 00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:57,199 disposal. I would say some of these are rookie ads, buyouts, taking 576 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,159 on money, retentions, these are the things that you have to think about. 577 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:05,239 And so for rookies, if ads are limited, be judicious. In 578 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,400 my recent That League, I was talking about the twenty team cap deep roster. 579 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:15,119 I finished nineteenth, and I really wanted Badard. I have been rebuilding, 580 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:19,440 or I've been building this team from the ground up. I wanted to 581 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,480 be I wanted to be competitive in years four and five, which are coming 582 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:28,239 up here, and I wanted to make sure that I positioned myself with enough 583 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,760 actual NHL players to win Badard this season, because in this league, you 584 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,000 don't just get it through a lottery. You have to win the consolation bracket, 585 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,000 which is challenging if you have a team of non NHL players, especially 586 00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:46,000 since my goalies decided to be absent on this team, because I have Matt 587 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,880 Murray, Cal Peterson, Spencer Night, and I was thinking one of those 588 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,639 guys is going to play some games. Actually Matt Murray did play a few 589 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,280 games, but Peterson's and the miners, and Spencer Night is away from the 590 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,039 team. And then I have Lucas deir Style who played some games. So 591 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,079 anyways, you have to position yourself. But I anyways, in terms of 592 00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:07,239 the ads you have, there's limited number of ads, but I made fifteen 593 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,760 in the playoffs. There's thirty ads. I made half of my ads in 594 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,920 the playoffs alone, and it's a good thing. I waited and didn't make 595 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,480 a bunch of silly ads throughout the season because I needed all fifteen of those 596 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,320 to make it happen. I'll talk more about that in a minute. Buyouts 597 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,280 these are also a weapon. Don't get lazy, hit the ad button and 598 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,719 then oops, I'm gonna buy this guy out. Now you need these? 599 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,239 You might need these later. You never know. If your league doesn't have 600 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,480 a buyout lead a limit, then it might be a clown league. Sorry, 601 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:39,440 but you need to have a limit on your buyouts otherwise there's just no 602 00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:44,360 point. It's basically just no. It's like the same as not having buyouts 603 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,920 if you have an unlimited number. So you have to have a limit. 604 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:51,599 Know what your limit is. Use them very judiciously, really think about it. 605 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,519 In fact, you might want to ask us if you're questioning like should 606 00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:58,719 I buy this guy out? Should I risk it? Whatever the case may 607 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,960 be. If you're a rebuilding team, you can take on assets in addition 608 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,639 to contracts to buy out. So last season, Jesse and I got into 609 00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:10,360 trouble with too many players with the games played over the games played limit. 610 00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:16,559 So we had all these guys that were great while they're on their elcs, 611 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:22,039 but then all of a sudden, they're over there the games played limit and 612 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,119 now there we can't put them in the minors, and they're really just not 613 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,320 worth it. So we had to pay. And we decided that instead of 614 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,679 just like paying for one of them, we wanted the flexibility to be able 615 00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,320 to flex guys up and down. So we had to pay our buddy Blair 616 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:43,360 Simon Edvonson to take five of our players we didn't want. That was a 617 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,760 huge price to pay. I'm pretty sure in a year or two we're going 618 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:51,920 to really miss having him, but Simon Edmondson, that is. But we 619 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,480 needed to do that. We needed to do that to have the flexibility to 620 00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:58,400 move guys up and down to add other players and not be constrained by that 621 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,480 limit. So don't make that kind of mistake or you're going to have to 622 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,760 pay for it. So that was just not noticing and not being on top 623 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,519 of it. Now we have a timer where we go in and check and 624 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:13,000 make sure that guys are not over and then we make sure we drop them 625 00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,159 before because unfortunately, that's one feature that I would love to see fan tracks 626 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:19,960 to add. But based on your league's games play limit, if they could 627 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,280 send you some kind of alert like, hey, this guy's about to get 628 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,719 to your games played limit, you should do something about that. Perhaps that 629 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,639 would be a nice feature, but it doesn't have that, so you have 630 00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:31,559 to go in and check each time. And when you're in as many leagues 631 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:35,760 as I am, you have so many to check that you can lose tracks 632 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,519 sometimes. But anyways, if that happens, if somebody has a bunch of 633 00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:40,239 these players beyond our games played limit, you can take advantage of that. 634 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,800 You can take advantage of that and say, hey, you have these guys 635 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,639 that maybe you're not using. Let's go ahead and let's talk a trade maybe, 636 00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:51,440 and you can take advantage of them. Taking on money can be very 637 00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:54,840 lucrative, but don't take on bad contracts just to do it. You have 638 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,519 to have a plan in place when you're going to compete. You don't want 639 00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:02,400 to be saddled with dead money when you could have got a good asset for 640 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,000 it or for you don't want to be in your competitive window having all this 641 00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,519 dead money. So if you're going to take on a bad contract for somebody, 642 00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:13,280 it has to be worth it, and it has you really want to 643 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,199 make sure this doesn't overlap with your competitive window, because that is that is 644 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:21,840 going to be tricky unless you can get such great value that it doesn't matter. 645 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,599 But it's hard to imagine that. If you're competitive, you're not going 646 00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:28,079 to need all of that cap space to really push yourself to the to the 647 00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:32,239 limit. So really the taking on dead money should only be if you're retooling 648 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:39,039 or restructuring or rebuilding. Otherwise I would be careful about that. And retentions 649 00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:44,119 for others is a really good way to make your roster more flexible. Imagine 650 00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:47,440 Connor McDavid costing six million instead of twelve point five million. That's insane. 651 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,719 Retentions, as I mentioned a little bit earlier, make the value per dollar 652 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:59,440 skyrocket. There's nothing better than having a star on a retained contract. It's 653 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,280 basically like a cheat code for these cap leagues. It's fantastic if you can 654 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,880 do it right. I think it's important to keep in mind that everybody has 655 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,400 a slightly different valuation on these players, and so you may pay what you 656 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,239 think is a reasonable price, but your competitor thinks they're getting a steal. 657 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,920 Great, everybody wins like as long as that's the case, and generally in 658 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,119 these cap dynasties. It can be a win because some as I mentioned that 659 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:29,159 for that time that Jesse and I sent simoon Edvanson, that buyout costs that 660 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,119 team five of their buyouts. Most of them were single year or maybe another 661 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,760 year or two. But they weren't like huge contracts. It wasn't a whole 662 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,920 lot of money. It was just roster inflexibility that it cost them mainly. 663 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,039 But it didn't matter because they're rebuilding team, so that was a win for 664 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:45,000 them. It was a win for us. So it can be a win. 665 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,800 You just want to make sure that it is a win for you and 666 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,360 that you're taking on this money and getting appropriate value. So shoot us a 667 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,559 message if you're considering that. And I think the one of the last things 668 00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:05,719 here is making sure your position for the playoffs. You never know when you're 669 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,079 gonna need buyouts or ads in the playoffs or cap space. So this twenty 670 00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:15,519 team dynasty that I was talking about, I was really gunning for Berdard. 671 00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:20,639 I had thirty ads in the season I had made. I made twelve twelve 672 00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:23,320 of the sixteen ads in the playoffs, six of seven buyouts, not to 673 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:29,480 mention taking on cap and we ended up ended up adding Tyler Bertuzzi, which 674 00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,840 is who was at four point seventy five million ending this year, Logan O'Connor 675 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,840 a million ending in twenty twenty five, Oli Mata two point twenty five million 676 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,920 ending in twenty twenty three, Ryan Paling, who's league minimum ending this year, 677 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,400 in cal Clutterbuck ending one point seventy five ending in twenty twenty four. 678 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:52,840 I needed every single one of those players production to eke out the win against 679 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,840 our buddy Greg literally one hits by two. And if I hadn't added cal 680 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,559 Clutterbuck on the last day, even though I'm saddled with one point seventy five 681 00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:07,360 million for another year, I wouldn't have won. So you never know where 682 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,519 you're in need every single one of those moves to put yourself over the top. 683 00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:15,400 So you want to make yourself as fluid and flexible at the very end 684 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,760 if you if I hadn't left myself both cap space and moves, it wouldn't 685 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,159 have worked. It wouldn't have worked. You really want to make sure you're 686 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,679 leaving flexibility for when you need it most. And the last thing I would 687 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:31,840 say is that when you're out of it, don't just check out this is 688 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,760 the time to really put the screws to the other teams. So when you're 689 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,599 rebuilding, or if you're not competing, or say you thought you were going 690 00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:45,440 to be competitive and it turns out you're in the middle, flip the switch. 691 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:49,559 Take on bad contracts, get assets, get picks, get prospects, 692 00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:54,199 get players who have passed their games play limit. This is a huge untapped, 693 00:48:54,599 --> 00:49:00,280 huge untapped field that can be very fruitful. The guys who have just 694 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,280 gone over and a lot of teams are like, oh, you're not miners 695 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,719 eligible anymore, I don't want you. That may be true for a lot 696 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,360 of players, but some can really work out. Some guys this year who 697 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,920 have who fit that Bill Casey Middlestat who's maybe turning into an NHL or after 698 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,960 all, Dylan Cousins who flipped the switch this year and looks amazing, Morgan 699 00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,000 Frost, Cody Glass, dam Steel, etcetera, etcetera. There's a whole 700 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,239 lot of these guys who are beyond the games played limit. Maybe their contract 701 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:34,440 initially looks like a bit much for the value, but there's still guys who 702 00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:38,079 have some runway. They probably haven't hit their two hundred games played threshold that 703 00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:44,519 Doabber always talks about, or four hundred for bigger players. So you can 704 00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:46,320 take some risks on guys like that. You can take some risks on some 705 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,480 guys that maybe still have some upside and are being dumped because they're beyond that 706 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:57,320 games played limit or whatever, or they're just about to hit it. That's 707 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,559 the kind of asset you want to collect, and you can be patient with 708 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:02,760 them, give them another year or so, and then see what happens. 709 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,880 But those are some strategies that I would say that can really help push you 710 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,599 over the top. Jesse, what do you think about those ideas? I 711 00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:17,119 love it, Victor, and I want to add something to this. And 712 00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:22,079 it's going to sound like I'm contradicting Victor, but I'm doing exactly the opposite, 713 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,679 and that is, don't be afraid to use your cap room. I've 714 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,639 seen so many dynasty leagues in the cap leagues where people are like, oh, 715 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:35,199 I'm not competing this year, I'm only going to use half my cap. 716 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,519 I want to be conservative with this money. You're not the cheap owner 717 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,559 of a pro franchise who you don't get to keep the money. Okay, 718 00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:49,840 I've seen leagues where actually you do pay dollars out of your pocket for each 719 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,559 move or each contract that you have somebody on. And to me, that's 720 00:50:53,559 --> 00:51:00,480 insane because I don't know. I just think that's insane. But I don't 721 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:05,519 be afraid to use it. Weaponize your cap space, but be aware of 722 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,559 the context of your league. If eight of the teams are at fifty percent 723 00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:15,039 of their cap, your cap space is not worth as much as it would 724 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:20,559 otherwise be. If I think Victor plays in highly competitive leagues where everybody is 725 00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:23,159 bumping up against the cap, and by the way, that partly means that 726 00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,960 the cap was well designed if not many teams are retaining cap space, but 727 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,559 look at the environment of your league, and again, do what you need 728 00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:37,880 to do as a rebuilding team. That even means look at and Victor said 729 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,119 this as well, I think, look at when you are going to be 730 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,320 competitive. If I have a team, I my Red Rock team three years 731 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,840 ago, I identify twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three as the years that 732 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,039 I could be competitive. Actually, twenty twenty three was the year I thought 733 00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,679 I'd be competitive, and I did. I got to the finals this year, 734 00:51:55,199 --> 00:52:00,800 and last year I was a year ahead of schedule, So I was 735 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,719 making all my plans for that. I was willing to take on contract for 736 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,800 the years before the year I was going to be competitive, but I wanted 737 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,559 to make sure I did not have that going against maybe year I was competitive, 738 00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:16,360 and I do things in that league. Like you talk about the things 739 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,239 that the uncompetitive team should be doing in terms of gameplay, it should be 740 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,679 things like identifying players you can pick up for minimum just what Victor's saying, 741 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,920 Casey Middlestat, Dylan Cousins, people who were cheap at one point because they 742 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,280 were not looked at as having any value. You're scrounging for those guys, 743 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,840 and if you have fantasy generated contracts, you can be wise to sign them 744 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,639 for long term contracts if you could lock them into a price. Because what's 745 00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:46,480 the downside. The downside is you end up taking a cap hit based on 746 00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:51,719 a very small contract that you signed them to. What's the upside. The 747 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,880 upside is you captured immense value for a minimum level contract. Maybe somebody who 748 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,960 on the market would be worth ten percent of your cap that you you actually 749 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,840 got fero point two percent of your cap, which is a thing I've done 750 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,199 in that league. A couple of times and a thing that they the most 751 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:13,360 successful teams in that league have done more than that. Yeah, I would 752 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,760 just advise you look at the context of your league. But like Victor said, 753 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:21,800 the successful teams are the ones who know what to do with every piece 754 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,360 of their salary cap. And that goes for the winning teams as well as 755 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,559 the losing teams. You don't get a prize in most leagues that I've seen 756 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,039 for getting to the end of the season and fifty percent of your cap was 757 00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:38,599 empty. And also look at things like expiring contracts and the value that those 758 00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:43,760 things can have in these leagues. If you have an expiring contract this year, 759 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,559 I'm gonna be There are leagues where if it takes me up to the 760 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,000 ceiling of the salary cap and I'm a rebuilding team and you're willing to send 761 00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,360 me a first round pick along with a guy who's out for the year on 762 00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:57,679 injury and his contract's going to expire at the end of the year, that 763 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,880 is a slam dunk win for me, and it's a slam dunk win for 764 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,320 both of us because you are going to have the space to acquire a player. 765 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,679 On the other hand, I can take that on at no consequence if 766 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,840 that contract is going to expire after this year, if I already know I'm 767 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,440 not competing and I don't have a better use for that cap space, so 768 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,199 you can't take it with you. So many things in life, Victor, 769 00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:23,079 you can't take it with you. Yeah, I think there's having the money 770 00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:29,239 left to get Clutterbuck at the end, and just enough money means that Victor 771 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,119 efficiently used his cap He used every piece of it. He used every piece 772 00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:37,360 of the buffalo all season long. And if you go to the end and 773 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,079 if you've capped yourself out, that's a bad thing. But if you left 774 00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:44,719 yourself a lot on the table, that's like getting to the end of an 775 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,719 auction and you spent two thirds of your budget. To me, there's no 776 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,039 point to it. You leave yourself flexibility you're realistically going to use, and 777 00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,280 if you're a rebuilding team, you use all of that open space and you 778 00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,559 get something, You extract something out of it. Let's take a break. 779 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:07,559 We're gonna come back and take some listener questions. Here's Ryan O'Reilly, the 780 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:15,639 shot Eyes, cars Alriley represent One Top Shell or Minds. The cookies we 781 00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:22,880 solicited questions from the listeners on their thoughts on salary kap leagues. We've captured 782 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,119 a few of them here today. I will, I guess read a couple 783 00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:30,119 of them off and we can discuss whether we have answers to these or whether 784 00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:35,599 they bring up a point that we maybe haven't. So the first one is 785 00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:39,880 from Steven Love to know more how you think young players coming off ELC examples 786 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,239 Cage and Cousins coming off cheap deals. So that adds close to twelve million 787 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,360 in new costs next year? Do they knock out other core players like Crosby, 788 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,440 Chrider, Connor, Evander, Cainan Matthews. Fyi'm replacing their cheap costs 789 00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:59,360 with the combat of Byfield, Ecklund and ROSSI. So I guess this is 790 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:05,400 somebody who was thinking about planning for those elcs coming off and what you can 791 00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:09,320 do to alleviate that crunch. Maybe you get another question out of that victory. 792 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,440 Maybe it's just an observation by Steven, what do you think? I 793 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,280 think this comes to the age old question of what is the new value per 794 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,199 dollar? Here? Is really what it all boils down to, and we 795 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,039 don't We're not necessarily going to know, but Tage and Cousins, I think 796 00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:29,360 we do know what their new contracts are, but we might not for the 797 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,079 ELC guys, and so that and that's gonna be a little bit tricky. 798 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,840 Yeah, I think that Tage is one of these guys that's really interesting because 799 00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:43,800 even though he's like incredible, he's also a bit frustrating at times. And 800 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,719 I'm gonna we'll definitely talk about him in the team previews because even though he's 801 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,719 had an incredible breakout and he's scoring ridiculous number of points, almost one hundred 802 00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,079 points, he shoots a fair amount, but he also has is a little 803 00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:02,480 bit inconsistent in terms of the production. There's a lot of in points leagues. 804 00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:07,800 There can be some goose eggs there with minimal hits, minimal shots and 805 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,880 stuff like that, but overall the production is huge and so as long as 806 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:17,480 he fills it out in your league, he's probably going to be still worth 807 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:21,320 it in a value per dollar kind of a sense. Is because the points 808 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,519 are so high. I think Cousins is going to be a little bit trickier 809 00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:29,159 because that's going to be a little bit lower. I would say the harder 810 00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:34,199 thing to evaluate is the ELC guys, and there's there's places where you can 811 00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:38,400 find contract projections, but basically you just have to look at what is similar 812 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:45,920 production for guys that are that and where they were drafted for what they're going 813 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,239 to make, and try to follow the news and figure out are they because 814 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,440 because what you'd really like is for these guys to take a bridge deal. 815 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,480 A bridge deal is good extends, there are a failure, but it kind 816 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,039 of bridges before they have to sign that really big contract. And so for 817 00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:06,000 all of these guys by Phil Eckland, ROSSI haven't really broken into the NHL 818 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:09,000 too much. I guess Byfield more than the other two, but his contract 819 00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:13,639 might be a little bit bigger. But you hope from the king's perspective, 820 00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:19,159 you would hope to sign Buyfield for six five or six million dollar long term 821 00:58:19,159 --> 00:58:22,599 contract. But from a cap league perspective, you'd hope he signs for a 822 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,360 half of that bridge deal for two or three years. And if they do 823 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,800 that, then obviously the value per dollar is much more. I can't imagine 824 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,119 that Eckland and Rossi don't sign bridge deals because I don't think they have enough 825 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:39,599 evidence to support a long term deal. So anyways that's going to be. 826 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,199 That's the hard thing is trying to guess what they're going to be. But 827 00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:47,280 if they signed the Bridge deal, there should be more better value per dollar. 828 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,559 I think with these other guys that you mentioned, like Kyle Connor stands 829 00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:58,199 out to me as different from the rest because his contract is fairly high for 830 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,840 what he does, which is basically just points and shots. He doesn't his 831 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,239 perferal value is very low, whereas the other guys have a fairly high perferal 832 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,679 value. So you have to look at the overall costs and evolving or not 833 00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:16,119 evolving hockey and Hockey Viz and some of these other platforms. They will actually 834 00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:22,000 project like the downward trend of some of these stars, and see where the 835 00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:23,760 production is going. And so it's useful to look and think about that. 836 00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:28,239 There's no easy formula though, You're just gonna have to try to figure out. 837 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,280 And this is where I would lay it all out on a spreadsheet. 838 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,119 I would look at projections and see, Okay, how do I think all 839 00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:37,079 these are going to continue to produce as the years go on? And what 840 00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:39,280 is that value per dollar going to be? And you might have to make 841 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,679 some tough decisions and trade or sell some stars to make room for some of 842 00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:45,639 these other guys. It's something that you have to look at in context with 843 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,360 your whole team, and unfortunately I generally have to wait until September for all 844 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,800 these things because you need I need all the projections to come out and see 845 00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,119 what I think everybody's gonna do, what the contracts, what everybody's contract is 846 01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:02,119 going to be as much as possible, and then fill it into my team 847 01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:06,159 sheet and then say, okay, this is if I keep this guy, 848 01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:09,400 and I have on my spreadsheet, I have value per dollar and everything calculated 849 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,559 in there, including how long the term is, and then you have to 850 01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,400 make some tough decisions based on that. That's what I think, Jesse. 851 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,239 It's not. It is simple in terms of value per dollar, but a 852 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,679 lot of the data that goes into it isn't always one hundred percent known or 853 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:29,679 clear for sure. And one of the keys to what you just said is 854 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,199 this is why you're mapping everything out in a spreadsheet. I want a spreadsheet 855 01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:37,199 that shows all of my players their contract this year, their contract next year, 856 01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:40,440 the contract the following year. I want to see where my contracts are 857 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,920 going to get into trouble and where they're going to be good because you're right, 858 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:47,639 some of these guys whose costs are going to go expensive. You need 859 01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:51,679 to figure out when these moves are going to happen. And then, by 860 01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:53,559 the way, it's not as simple as saying I want this guy, I 861 01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:57,400 don't want that guy, so I'll keep this guy and get rid of that 862 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,079 guy. You probably got to send him, You probably got to trade him. 863 01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:07,440 And yes, you want all the best players for all the top values, 864 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,440 but keep in mind everybody else has open eyes too, and they can 865 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,960 see where you have better and worse values and trading players, you're going to 866 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,960 get a better and worse return if you can outsmart the other teams in terms 867 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:30,320 of or not out smart. But if your projection and your valuation of a 868 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:35,239 player is more accurate than another team's, which is part of the essence of 869 01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:37,679 playing a fantasy sport, is that you want to try to be better than 870 01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:43,840 that, better than your opponents at that, then you can potentially end up 871 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,599 with more value. But as you need to reduce your roster, somebody's got 872 01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:52,000 to take them, and it's possible you're going to have to pay resources to 873 01:01:52,119 --> 01:02:00,320 move some guys whose contracts are about to become problematic. There's a concept that 874 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,159 they talk about on a basketball podcast I listened to called dunked On, which 875 01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:08,000 is then an a theory, which is the idea that there is a tipping 876 01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:14,360 point above which when the contract gets above there, the player has a negative 877 01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:17,280 value instead of a positive value, and below it it's a positive value. 878 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,960 That's you could probably don't even need a name to describe that, because I 879 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,719 think people will understand it intuitively. But the truth is, once you get 880 01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:30,039 a contract that goes flips into negative territory, even though it's a producing player, 881 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,199 it's going to bring you down relative to the league. Now you have 882 01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:37,960 to figure out how to move it, and you might have to spend other 883 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:42,360 resources to do it. So just keep that in mind. I would say 884 01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:46,159 that it is nice to think that I can keep my good guys, I 885 01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:50,920 can deal my old guys, and I'll have young guys who come up to 886 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,320 take their place. Ideally that's what you want. Sometimes you might have to 887 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,840 deal to the young guy. Sometimes you might have to deal one young guy 888 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,360 with one old guy and take back a medium guy to be able to balance 889 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:07,760 things out. It's always a balancing act, and it's never as simple as 890 01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:10,400 just being able to do what you want because everybody is playing the same game 891 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,400 as you. Victor if you ever run into that, What if you run 892 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:21,360 into situations where you've wanted to trade the Crosby's Criters Connor's Keynes of the world, 893 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,119 but you're just not going to get the return because everybody else knows that 894 01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:31,039 they're getting older and their value per dollar is getting worse. Yeah, definitely. 895 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,559 And my favorite thing that I always think is so funny is that there's 896 01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:37,719 some people in these leagues that are just like, Hey, I want to 897 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,920 trade this guy, and everyone's yeah, nobody wants him. Like, you 898 01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:45,480 have to read the room a little bit. But you can't just come out 899 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,559 and think that you're going to be able to do the thing that you want 900 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:52,559 to do, especially if you're not willing to attach an asset, because that's 901 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:55,079 the thing is that you may have to if you want to make a move 902 01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:59,639 like this, even with a name value player in a cap league. If 903 01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:01,719 you're not used to it, you may realize that it's not as easy as 904 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,519 you think, and you may have to attach a pick or a prospect for 905 01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:08,320 somebody to take on that cap, or to take on that buyout, or 906 01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:13,760 to do whatever. Like. Roster flexibility is one of the most important things. 907 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,320 Cap flexibility and roster flexibility. And you can't just assume that you're going 908 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,280 to be able to do things, or you're going to be able to move 909 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,360 guys, that you're going to be able to do the things that you want 910 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:27,559 to do. So what I would say is the biggest thing is read the 911 01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:31,599 room. See where everyone else is. Don't go asking people to take on 912 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:38,760 a Serge Lebrovski because you made a bad pick and they are only two million 913 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,079 dollars from the cap. They can't do that. Why would you even ask 914 01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:46,079 them. That's like coming to someone with a really dumb question without doing your 915 01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:50,280 homework. So do your homework. Figure out where everyone is. See which 916 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:57,039 teams could accommodate the move that you need. Figure out what they need. 917 01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:01,519 Maybe they're don't have any goalie prop and you could send them a decent upside 918 01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:05,519 goalie or defenseman or for whatever prospect or pick. Maybe they're light on picks 919 01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:10,880 whatever. Figure out what might help them, what they might need, but 920 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,119 come to them with something for them. I think too many people blurt out 921 01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:17,119 in general channels or whatever. This is what I want, this is what 922 01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:19,679 I need, and it's great. Who's going to just give you what you 923 01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:23,719 want for nothing? Like, it's not going to happen. At least it 924 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,800 shouldn't happen. Everybody needs to get something for their trouble, and it's better 925 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,719 if you can guess. You may not guess perfectly, but at least if 926 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,159 you come offering something that they might need. I love when people do that. 927 01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:39,079 Hey, seems like you're a little light on d Are you interested in 928 01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:42,039 this guy for taking on this asset. I'm not really interested in that guy, 929 01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:45,960 but I appreciate that they came with some idea of what I might want, 930 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,000 and then I can we can further the conversation along at that point. 931 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:53,559 Right, So you want to do your homework. You want to realize that 932 01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:57,880 what everyone else is doing and try to try to give them something too. 933 01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:00,880 Right, it should be when I think when people come at it from a 934 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,199 let's try to make this a win, it's so much easier and it's less 935 01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:08,679 contentious and it's more fun for everybody. So I would just suggest you try 936 01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:11,800 to do that and requires doing your homework and being a little bit more prepared 937 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,519 than just oh crap, I'm close to the cap. I need to get 938 01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:19,320 rid of somebody here. You take him? Yeah, let's say you have. 939 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:26,400 You can't fool people if they are good at the game. In a 940 01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:30,480 normal dynasty, you could come to somebody and say, hey, I see 941 01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:32,280 that you need a little bit to make your run here, how about I 942 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,800 trained you Jamie Benn for William Ecklin's not even playing this year. Man, 943 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,079 he's no good this year. Ben is playing like crazy. Well, he's 944 01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:44,320 getting excellent points this year, and he would help you win. Jamie. 945 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,559 Ben's getting two more years of nine point five million dollars. He's got one 946 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:51,480 of the biggest cap pits in the league, and that cap hit has been 947 01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:57,079 in albatross many times at this point. So I would tell the other guy, 948 01:06:57,199 --> 01:07:00,599 why don't you send me Jamie Benn and William Ecklund and I will give 949 01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:02,440 you back nothing. That's probably a fair trade. Why didn't we do that? 950 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,960 So it completely flips things on their heads. Let's follow the follow up 951 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:13,239 question from Steven. My Cousin's debate is to keep him or Crider Eileen Cousins, 952 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,519 But I could get way more for him in a trade than Crider for 953 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:19,559 similar production next year, but Cousins are more valuable a few years into his 954 01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:24,400 new contract, So he's actually comparing apples to apples here Cousin. Well, 955 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,599 he's talking about guys who are both ends of the skill that we are talking 956 01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:32,679 about here, Victor Cousins and Crider. What do you think about this comparison 957 01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:39,840 in this combination of players. Yeah, I think it's nice we have two 958 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:44,199 forwards opposite ends of the time frame. But I also think this brings up 959 01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:46,880 a really good point is that sometimes you just have to trade the player that's 960 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,440 going to give you more, and maybe it's not the one you want to 961 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:55,320 trade, maybe it's the younger player. You also have to realize your league. 962 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,960 Some leagues just love player teams want to collect young players and assets, 963 01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:02,639 and others tend to be a little bit more wise to the fact that some 964 01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:05,800 of these older vets might be better. But in cap leagues, it really 965 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,559 just comes down to value per dollar and how long the term is, and 966 01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:12,960 so if they're older and still producing, then may be a better asset. 967 01:08:13,519 --> 01:08:17,800 So I would absolutely anytime I can trade the player that's going to give me 968 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:23,760 more, as long as they're relatively similar in apples to apples kind of thing, 969 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,399 if possible, And yeah, you might get stuck with Okay, maybe 970 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:31,119 this player, maybe the production is similar. But that's the way you have 971 01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:34,880 to think about it. I think is maybe this isn't the player I want 972 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,000 to trade, but I need to make a move at forward. I need 973 01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:41,279 to make a move to soften my cap. I'm going to trade this one, 974 01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:45,319 even though I don't love the move. Let's combine two concepts we've talked 975 01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:49,239 about this people who are afraid to use their whole salary cap and people who 976 01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:53,960 are trying to do what we're talking about people trying to do, which is, 977 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,119 let's get rid of the old guys, let's move in the young guys. 978 01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,039 Because people overcorrect for this, They overcorrect for them, not only they 979 01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:06,279 might even understand the valuation. You might get to managers who understand that Sidney 980 01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:13,520 Crosby is probably less valuable in Dynasty right now than Tage Thompson given their relative 981 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:19,800 contracts. But is it possible that somebody will give you Sidney Crosby and a 982 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:26,680 first round pick and some other good thing for th Thompson just to get crosby 983 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,960 salary off the books. And by the way, Sidney Crosby still scored ninety 984 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,279 three points in eighty two games this year. He is still extremely valuable, 985 01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:38,840 and like Victor said, sometimes you get the thing that we're more valuable with, 986 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:43,560 so we definitely need to keep that in mind when we're doing these things. 987 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,640 All right, let's move on our boy. Yarno out there in Finland 988 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:51,399 had a couple of things to say. Love's salary leagues, and he's really 989 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:58,039 asking the question about salary retentions. He's been mixed on these salary retention things 990 01:09:58,039 --> 01:10:00,960 and how much they should really be used in a league. His point is 991 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,119 it's hard to keep your team good over the years versus non salary leagues. 992 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:09,560 But the salary retention can really screw the bottom teams by taking up a bunch 993 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:15,359 of their cap by basically Arizona Coyote their situation where they've got all these unvaluable 994 01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:18,680 players that they're taking on contracts and maybe they're not getting everything for it, 995 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,640 and it also means they're not going to get anywhere in the long term. 996 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:27,199 And again, you don't need to keep pushing those players off your roster just 997 01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:30,039 so you can get down to fifty percent of your salary cap. There's no 998 01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:32,520 bonus for getting to fifty percent of your salary cap instead of eighty percent of 999 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,720 your salary cap if it doesn't have impact on future years and you're gonna lose 1000 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:42,039 already anyway, and nobody's gonna trade you guys to fit into that cap. 1001 01:10:42,319 --> 01:10:46,600 So I don't know victor any further concept on retention of contracts. And I 1002 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:51,039 know you've talked about it a little bit, but y'arno's comments here, Yeah, 1003 01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:56,520 I think it can screw the bottom teams if they don't get appropriate returns 1004 01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:02,399 for it. I have seen some players, some fantasy GMS retain four or 1005 01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:09,119 five million dollars for several years and get back a modest prospect or a second 1006 01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:13,640 round pick. That is crazy. That is not worth it. So I 1007 01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,680 think it's a matter of educating the GMS. I would never tell the league 1008 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,880 this is an appropriate value for this type of trade, but I think that 1009 01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:26,319 as a commission you might, especially if people are new to cap league, 1010 01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:29,239 you might say, hey, you might want to run this by some people 1011 01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:31,840 before you take commit yourself to a lung, because that can ruin the league. 1012 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,039 If you get a new GM that's just wanted to wheel and deal and 1013 01:11:36,079 --> 01:11:40,800 take on all this cap and get nothing for it. That can create those 1014 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,600 really strong teams at the top, and it can screw them into the basement 1015 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:45,840 on the other end, and then they just leave the league and they leave 1016 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,720 it a mess. So you want to make sure that doesn't happen. You 1017 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:55,680 want to make sure that if you have some inexperienced people that you don't let 1018 01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,000 that happen. But I think that as long as that's the case, as 1019 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,560 long as you have some people that know what they're doing, it can be 1020 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,199 fine. That's what's great about dynasties. You can have teams in different states 1021 01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:12,680 of repair. You can have the competitive teams and the teams that are moving 1022 01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,920 up and trying to compete those in the middle that are going one way or 1023 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,479 the other. But I think that's the key is you have to have competence. 1024 01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,079 Smart gms. Don't let people make mistakes that can screw the entire league. 1025 01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:26,520 And really, if they're new, make them listen to this episode first 1026 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,840 before they join your league. You are absolutely right, Victor. We've talked 1027 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:35,119 about how salary caps can level the playing field in terms of not creating juggernaut 1028 01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:41,319 teams. But with this level of complexity, I also think what you said 1029 01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:46,479 that at the startup you can absolutely you can have managers who come in the 1030 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:51,760 league and really mess up teams more quickly than they could even a dynasty, 1031 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:56,159 because at least in the other realm, you're just looking at which players are 1032 01:12:56,199 --> 01:13:00,119 more valuable than the others, which players are younger than the others. This 1033 01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:05,239 element of contracts adds a big complication that people can miss and the strategy the 1034 01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:11,039 actual value of a retained contract, the actual value of a draft pick before 1035 01:13:11,079 --> 01:13:15,399 it stabilizes, before there's a league consensus that makes economic sense, and there's 1036 01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:20,279 this kind of a stable market, there's going to be opportunity for exploitation and 1037 01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:24,760 things are going to go a little bit nuts. Next question, Victory and 1038 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:29,159 I mentioned this earlier handling free agency in dynasty cap leagues, and I railed 1039 01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:32,199 against the idea of the slow auction, where you have free agents who are 1040 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:36,239 coming out, there's a wide array of options, the quality for asks mine 1041 01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:40,880 is only one free agent per week, and big cap guys like line A 1042 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:45,920 and Goodreaux are sitting on free agency. How do you handle a situation where 1043 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,159 maybe you're going into the new league year and there's guys who people would want 1044 01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:54,560 who are sitting on waivers because they weren't on a contract at the end of 1045 01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,439 last year or their contracts expired. What do you think about this, Victor? 1046 01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,760 So, I don't think I understand this question. Can you explain it 1047 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,840 to me a little more? So? I think there are some leagues where 1048 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,880 you get Tage Thompson and you get his current contract, and if he signs 1049 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,760 a new contract, you just get to keep Tate Thompson at his new contract, 1050 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,279 or you can choose to keep him or drop him based on his new 1051 01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:20,680 contract, and then he goes onto waivers. There are other contracts where you 1052 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:26,000 can other leagues where you can take on a player with a salary for a 1053 01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:28,840 certain number of years. Even in leagues where I think you use a real 1054 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,960 cap, you might have a limit on how many years a player can remain 1055 01:14:32,039 --> 01:14:36,119 on a roster with a particular salary. And I don't know or particularly this 1056 01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:42,640 is a huge problem in fantasy of value generated leagues. Maybe in real salary 1057 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,039 cap leagues there could be some differences here. But what do you do? 1058 01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:51,199 Is it just going to be waivers that decides who goes on to different teams, 1059 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,439 or is there going to be an annual supplemental draft of some sort. 1060 01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,800 It sounds like you handle it by the guys on your team. As long 1061 01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,279 as he keeps, as long as he's you're willing to take on whatever the 1062 01:15:02,319 --> 01:15:06,079 NHL is going to pay him. Yeah, And most of my leagues, 1063 01:15:06,399 --> 01:15:10,800 it's like a it's a dynasty league. So you have the rights to that 1064 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,199 player, you roster them, and it's usually dependent on the cap. So 1065 01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:17,279 like Davee. Thompson right now, Dylan Cousins, we just talked about them. 1066 01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:21,920 If you don't if you roster them, and you basically have a decision 1067 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:27,039 to make once the new league starts, Once they play a game under their 1068 01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:30,720 new contract, you're committed to them for the long term. So basically the 1069 01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,119 decision made in the offseason. If you want to drop them or trade them, 1070 01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:39,319 then you can do that. But if you keep them and they play 1071 01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:42,479 a game under the new contract, you're committed to them. I know there 1072 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:47,279 are also leagues that basically you know once when that player is a free agent, 1073 01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:53,319 you basically have like a bidding war and you can basically decide and bid 1074 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:59,920 Fantasy dollars or fab budget or whatever to acquire those players. Sometimes you have 1075 01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:02,920 phase or RFAs or dump back into the player pool and so you only get 1076 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,920 them for that contract. That's to me, that's a little bit more extreme. 1077 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,199 I don't I wouldn't like that as much. That would be a little 1078 01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:13,640 bit harder to keep track of, but it certainly would keep the player pull 1079 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,399 churning a little bit more if that's something that you wanted. I know. 1080 01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:21,199 There are also leagues like you mentioned, where you you basically get to determine 1081 01:16:21,399 --> 01:16:26,399 how long you sign a player for and how much, and so that offers 1082 01:16:26,399 --> 01:16:30,840 another layer of complexity that you have some input on, and so that can 1083 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,319 be interesting. I don't like those personally, because it's a lot to keep 1084 01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:38,000 track of, and then you're stuck at the whim of other people. Other 1085 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:44,119 gms in the league that might over undervalue. Some people might say I'm gonna 1086 01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:46,720 I'm gonna pay, I'm gonna I'm gonna roster this guy for seven years or 1087 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,720 whatever the max is. You have to have a max. But yeah, 1088 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,880 that's what you have to think about. And there are always opportunities there that 1089 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,359 you can take advantage of. So guys that are maybe under undervalue. You 1090 01:16:57,359 --> 01:17:00,199 have to look at, okay, who's coming off right now and who has 1091 01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:03,920 a decent value. Those are the guys I want to bid on for sure. 1092 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:12,359 Yeah, I think that whole mechanics is a big element that is a 1093 01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,880 variable for teams, whether when you sign a new contract, whether there's gonna 1094 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,800 be a limit to contract, or whether you're just going to keep on with 1095 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:35,000 the guy forever. I hope you enjoyed this second tour through salary talk. 1096 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,680 Remind you are show is brought to you by fan tracks. You can move 1097 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,119 leagues over to fan tracks. There's ten different sports to play right now. 1098 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,960 They're fully in the baseball season. A lot of people are playing football. 1099 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,000 I'll tell you what. A lot of people are watching the NFL draft this 1100 01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:56,279 weekend. I don't understand this, but people are going to draft some rookie 1101 01:17:56,359 --> 01:18:00,039 leagues, like starting Monday. That to me is just bonkers. Why you 1102 01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:03,560 would go that fast? Come on, guys, you have months to do 1103 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:09,920 this, but some people will, so there are opportunities. Probably somebody's not 1104 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,960 going to show for a rookie draft in some dynasty football league somewhere, so 1105 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:17,960 if you're into them, this might be a time when orphans will become urgently 1106 01:18:18,039 --> 01:18:21,800 available. Just go looking for one. There's plenty of things. Hit me 1107 01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:26,279 up if that's something that you're looking for, and I can at least put 1108 01:18:26,279 --> 01:18:30,640 you in touch with people. Let's put it that way, and you can 1109 01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,720 already set up your fantasy hockey dynasty leagues for next year, just like I 1110 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:40,479 promised. You can listen to this show and check out fan tracks HQ. 1111 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,199 There's still hockey content dropping on there all the time. Our FHL crew is 1112 01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:54,439 the best and it is numerous. We are many. Kevin Adams is helping 1113 01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,319 out with show prep. This is the busy season for Kevin. We're gonna 1114 01:18:58,319 --> 01:19:02,239 work him hard preparing all these show prep sheets so that we can make it 1115 01:19:02,279 --> 01:19:08,000 through thirty two team previews. It's quite a off season effort because our show 1116 01:19:08,039 --> 01:19:13,119 notes, folks, are like twenty pages long. At least Ryan Downey did 1117 01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:16,119 his thing commissioning the Tidy Leagues. He's the Tidy Admiral. By the way, 1118 01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,479 if you're interested in being part of the Tidy Leagues this year, we 1119 01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,720 are making all the shifts, We're doing all the promotions, relegations. I 1120 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,720 need to get on that this afternoon and if you want to be a part 1121 01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,479 of it. There will be another league coming up. There are people, 1122 01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:32,880 a few people. Most people are coming back, but there's always going to 1123 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,800 be a couple people in any dynasty league who don't come back, and so 1124 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:42,119 there are opportunities. That's for patrons only. Jeremy va is our lead scout. 1125 01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,880 A lot of scouting reports coming as we prepare the team previews. We'll 1126 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:51,399 do three scouting reports per team. Jason helps with our prospect ranks. Brandon 1127 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:57,439 is our website guru and a scout and is helping with prospect ranks and visualizations. 1128 01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:01,279 If you haven't seen the Fantasy Hockey Life player cards, they are insane. 1129 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,279 You can follow Victor's feed on x and you can scroll up and you 1130 01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:12,479 can find some of these and we not only show things that relate to their 1131 01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,239 scoring and their possession stats, but we also cover the bash. If you've 1132 01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:19,439 ever wondered about prospects and whether they're going to be able to give hits and 1133 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:25,399 blocks. Ooh, that's catnipinnett. Go look at what you can see at 1134 01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:30,399 a glance at our Fantasy Hockey Life player cards. If you have other skills, 1135 01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:31,920 you want to keep making this stuff better and better. Hit Victor up 1136 01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:36,600 in our discord email or on X. We're brought to you by Daber Hockey, 1137 01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:41,800 Daber Prospects Victors and editor there follow his work as well as this other 1138 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,640 podcast, Dabber Prospects Report with Peter Harland. I think they recently did an 1139 01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,159 episode about under eighteen players. Check out Victor's articles at EP ringsidet. He's 1140 01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:54,840 part of the Fantasy team with Cam Robinson and Mike Clifford. I do my 1141 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,600 solo show, as I said, Dynasty Sports Life, I talk all the 1142 01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,359 Dynasty sports This week should be no surprise. I'm going to have my friend 1143 01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:05,159 Matt Cooper on to talk about the recently completed or by the time you're listening 1144 01:21:05,159 --> 01:21:11,680 to this recently completed NFL Draft and what some of the landing spots for players 1145 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:15,600 mean for their dynasty value, as well as some of the quarterbacks. We 1146 01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:20,119 haven't had quarterbacks yet. Follow us on X once again reminder Fan Hockey Life, 1147 01:21:20,359 --> 01:21:26,760 Victor Nuno twelve v c tr and U N one to two Stupid X 1148 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,239 with No till Days, Rate and review us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 1149 01:21:30,319 --> 01:21:33,520 wherever else you get your pods. We appreciate that got to keep us in 1150 01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,640 somebody's thoughts in this offseason. This is the time when people are ramping down 1151 01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,640 and it's going to be a while to the ramp up. 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