1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:06,320 So Leviathan is represented as like God's pet, basically as kind of God's plaything 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,919 that he created in the waters to kind of play. But in the same 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,599 thing in the Book of Job, then the Leviathan is represented as an expression 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,000 of God's power. You know, it's like, can you can you control 5 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:22,000 the Leviathan? You human? Like, do you have enough power to master 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:38,960 this giant monster? This is Jonathan Peshel, Welcome to the symbolic world. 7 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:56,880 The Leviathan is a strange creature in the Bible and in the tradition, And 8 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,679 so I thought that it would be a great idea to kind of look at 9 00:00:59,719 --> 00:01:04,519 the to think a bit about the sea serpent, the dragon, the relationship 10 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:10,000 to the devil, how all of these associations came to be what they can 11 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,480 mean. And also it can help us understand how symbolism can be polyvalent, 12 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:19,719 that symbolism can have multiple meanings at the same time, and that understanding those 13 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:26,120 multiple meanings can also help us understand how symbolism works, and then also help 14 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,719 us understand the specific meanings that are attributed to each symbol. And the Leviathan, 15 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:34,120 that great sea dragon, sea serpent seems like a great place to look 16 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:38,439 at that. So before we start, I just want to say two things 17 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,200 that are important. One is that, as many of you know, the 18 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:48,200 Symbolic World's Summit is coming very fast at the end of February. The tickets 19 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:52,480 are nearly sold out, and just in this last moment, we finally announced 20 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:57,159 who it is that our secret guest is going to be at the Symbolical Summit, 21 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,280 and as many of you guessed, it is in fact going to be 22 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,159 Jordan Peterson, who is going to come and spend those three days with us, 23 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,840 with his wife Tammy as well. 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The second thing I want to talk about is of 49 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:53,159 course related to our subject, the Leviathan, which is that we are now 50 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:58,759 crowdfunding God's Dog, and we are halfway at the halfway point of the crowdfunding 51 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,599 for the second book of this series, which deals with all these crazy legends 52 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:06,319 that we find in scripture and in the tradition, including the Leviathan, as 53 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:11,800 well as people that have been following the Symbolical Press and all the adventures. 54 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,159 You know that it's been a difficult time. We have struggled to kind of 55 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:17,839 get to be totally on top of everything. But I am telling you, 56 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,120 I promise you, I am going to master this. 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So in this in the 64 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,600 first issue of God's Dog, we have a version of the Leviathan, and 65 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,399 so for those who haven't read it, going to put out the pages so 66 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:04,240 you can see there's this image of the end of the world where there's this 67 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:09,319 mound of bodies and all these these dead bodies that are there, and we 68 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,839 talk about this final battle and we see Saint Michael coming down from heaven with 69 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,959 the Mighty Sword hitting the waters, hitting the Leviathan and ending the world and 70 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:27,040 beginning the world anew. And in the same way in the new book, 71 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:32,000 we're also going to go deeper into the image of the Leviathan, and we're 72 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,480 going to talk about we're going to kind of go into this image of the 73 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:41,800 relationship between the Leviathan and the flood and the giants and what it is in 74 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,079 our story. How do we relate all of these ideas of chaos and of 75 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,000 the giants and then ultimately of the arc. As you can see in the 76 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,120 final image at the bottom of that third page, you can kind of see 77 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,959 the boat on the waters. So all of that is something that we're going 78 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,279 to talk about. But one of the things that people have often pointed out 79 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,240 to me is how a lot of these stories they're not in scripture. That 80 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:09,759 it is a lot of the associations are about the Leviathan and about the idea 81 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,040 that it's related to the Eurobaros, you know, the snake eating its tail, 82 00:06:13,399 --> 00:06:16,680 the idea that it's related to the devil himself. That all of these 83 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:21,600 associations, a lot of people will point out that they're not directly in scripture. 84 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,639 And so what I want to do is I want to kind of go 85 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:30,120 through the imagery of the Leviathan and the symbolism around it, the iconography of 86 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,040 the Leviathan, and it will help us also see how the imagery develops and 87 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:38,600 how it is in fact related to scripture and to other traditions. But everything 88 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,439 is already there in scripture if you know how to read it. And I've 89 00:06:41,439 --> 00:06:46,639 often said that traditions, extra biblical traditions are often there to point out things 90 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:50,319 that are already in scripture, but that are sometimes difficult to perceive because if 91 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,720 you don't have the right intuition, you won't be able to see it. 92 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:56,720 But if you look at it with the right intuition, then all of a 93 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,040 sudden it pops out, and so some of these extracurricular, extra curricular extra 94 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:05,240 biblical books are there to kind of reconnect the dots for you, so you 95 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,560 can kind of see how this works. And so if we want to understand 96 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:15,319 the iconography of the leviatin the way that it's represented in Western art and the 97 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:18,519 way that it ends up being represented in Western culture, one of the things 98 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:24,920 that we need to think about right away is the image of Jonah's monster. 99 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:31,720 And so this is a second century marble, two second century marbles that represent 100 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:38,800 Jonah being eaten by the sea monster. So we often think of Jonah and 101 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:42,759 a whale. There's absolutely, obviously there's no indication that Jonah was eaten by 102 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:46,839 a whale. And traditionally, although whale is a fine way to understand it, 103 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:49,439 because the whale is very much a monster that moves between, you know, 104 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,000 breathing air and going to the bottom, it's like this, it's liminal 105 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,839 figure that is neither mammal nor fish. So it is definitely a monster, 106 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:03,079 but the way that it's represented additionally is more as this sea monster with the 107 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,800 body of a fish, you know, even the legs sometimes of a mammal. 108 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:13,000 The head of a dog, sometimes the head of a dog, you 109 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,519 know, that's like a snake dog. And you can see even this figure 110 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:20,160 has wings. So the sea monster is really a dragon in the way that 111 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,079 we talk about what it is that dragons mean. That is, the dragons 112 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:31,600 are hybrids. Dragons are chaos. They are the mixture of different identities, 113 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,120 and that is how they're represented in early imagery. That's how they're related to 114 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:41,399 all these different images of hybrids and griffins and all of these types of images. 115 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,960 And that is the way the ancients understood it. That is the way 116 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,759 the ancients understood the sea monster, which is why Jonah here in the second 117 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:52,000 century. You know, don't tell me that Christians didn't have art in the 118 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:58,440 early centuries. This is a second century carving of Jonah being eaten by the 119 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,360 whale. Now what you have to look at are a few things, of 120 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,320 course, the monstrous aspect of Jonah. But then already if you look at 121 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:13,159 the image, you'll notice that there is a suggestion of a circular movement in 122 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,240 both images, one which is Jonah coming out on the left, Jonah coming 123 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:20,759 out of the monster, and the other which is Jonah going into the monster 124 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,320 on the right side. But nonetheless, you can see how there's this interesting 125 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:31,960 circularity to the way in which the dragon and the human is represented. Now 126 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,919 it's not exactly an a Robaros, but you'll see how that circularity is something 127 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,399 which happens almost intuitively in the way that the serpent is represented. Doesn't mean 128 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,720 that the people were necessarily conscious about using that type of imagery, but it 129 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:50,559 does end up being in the image nonetheless, and will see why that is 130 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,200 the case. And so just to show you, here is a version of 131 00:09:54,360 --> 00:10:01,720 mind which is a carved version of my version of and the Sea Monster, 132 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:05,879 and also a drawn version, the one that appears on the prints and the 133 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:11,159 t shirts and stuff. So in the more recent versions, a lot of 134 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:15,960 the aspects of the monster, that is that the legs and the you know, 135 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,279 the dog face is reduced, but it's still there. As you can 136 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,320 see, the fish has ears, you know, And so the fact that 137 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:30,000 the fish has ears can kind of show you that this that this you know, 138 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,720 this aspect of the monster is not completely gone. And again, just 139 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:39,679 like in the other image that you saw before, I tried to suggest a 140 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,759 kind of circularity in the monster. First in the tail, which circles on 141 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,679 itself, but then also in the figure coming out, which kind of connects 142 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:56,240 or almost connects to the to the tail. And so what's important to understand 143 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,879 is that this image of Jonah is one of the earliest image of death in 144 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,120 Christian iconography, and so it was shown on the sarcopha guy, that is 145 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,360 on the tombs, the not the tombs, but the actual you know, 146 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:13,559 boxes that the dead people were put into. The image of Jonah was one 147 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,159 of the most used images, where on the tomb you would see Jonah get 148 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,159 thrown into the fish, and then on the other side you would see Jonah 149 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:26,759 being ejected from the fish. And so this idea of the sea monster eating 150 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:31,639 the person became an image of death and of resurrection, which is why I 151 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,879 was put on the sarcopha guy in the first place, and which is why 152 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,559 you know, this is of course based on the very let's say, the 153 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:43,320 very saying of Christ, which is the only sign that I will give this 154 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,200 generation, is the sign of Jonah and the sign of the of the death 155 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,960 and resurrection, the going into the monster and the coming out of the monster. 156 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:56,679 So we can understand how this image of this monstrous thing that is kind 157 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,360 of from below that comes up and swallows up the person. Is an image 158 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:07,039 of death, and there's a relationship between the image of death and of course 159 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:13,399 the image of chaos. So this image of the monstrous head that is Jonah's 160 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,320 head, that kind of comes up and swallows the people then becomes an image 161 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:22,200 of what we call the hell mouth. So the hell mouth is an image 162 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,799 that we see in Christian iconography where at the you know, in different ways, 163 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:30,279 either it is in the image of the Last Judgment, which you see 164 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:35,279 here on the left, or whether it is an image here again of Christ 165 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,759 harrowing hades. You know, it doesn't really matter. It's the idea that 166 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,720 there is this monstrous head which is the head of death, the head of 167 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:48,720 hell, the head of decomposition, the head of chaos, which is below. 168 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,679 The people are kind of stuck in this monster like Jonah was stuck in 169 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:58,360 the sea monster, and then out of the out of that comes the resurrected 170 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,799 ones. Here and on the right side you can see how it's Christ's harrowing 171 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:07,559 haites, harrowing hell and getting people out of the death, the monster's death. 172 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,960 But then on the other side, when you see the Last judgment. 173 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,960 What you see is the opposite. You see Christ casting people into the mouth 174 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,000 of death, right. And so this is already an image of how you 175 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:24,960 can understand what you could call the polysemic or the polyvalent function of symbolism is 176 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,879 that the place ontologically, the place in the image of being that the head 177 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,159 of the monster occupies is the same, but the relationship is different. That 178 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,159 is, on the one hand, it's Christ getting people out of death, 179 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:43,840 and on the other hand it's Christ sending people into the fire and into the 180 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:50,320 final death. And so this is important to keep in mind that this poly 181 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,759 valance and this duality of the symbolism will appear all through the imagery of the 182 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,799 Monster, of the Dragon, and of course of the Leviathan as well, 183 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,519 which is that it's the place in relationship to other things which is more important. 184 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,080 And like I've said many times, symbolism is not moral in itself. 185 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:13,639 It can have moral connotation in its application, but it is not moral in 186 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,960 itself, and it can have it can go either way depending on the manner 187 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,360 in which it's used. And so of course there are these are just two 188 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:26,799 versions of these images, but there are plenty of virgins. If you want 189 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:30,440 to look them up of the Mouth of Hell. You can find them online, 190 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:33,879 uh, both east, both east and west as this kind of monster 191 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,240 thing. And you can see that there's still a remainder of the image of 192 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,679 Jonah, which is that the image is something of a snake, it's something 193 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,919 of a fish, but it also has ears, you know. You can 194 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,679 see that you can see the ears on the at the bottom of the of 195 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,399 the head. And here again and again also in this one you can see 196 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,480 the ears on the on the monster. I'll show you one last time in 197 00:14:56,559 --> 00:14:58,759 a in the bigger image, you can see that the monster has ears. 198 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:03,240 So one of these is like Russian and the other, you know, is 199 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,799 is like Northern European or Western European. And so this image really crossed all 200 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,919 over the place. Now, okay, so what's important to understand in this 201 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:16,919 case is that what you will see in scripture is these sea monsters and the 202 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,840 Leviathan in particular, represented in many guises, represented in different ways, but 203 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,639 that are always the serpent always has the same place, but that the way 204 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:33,080 that it's treated is different depending on the context. So of course it's important 205 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:39,279 to understand that the monsters, the sea monsters were created are mentioned in the 206 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,919 creation narrative, and so on the day that God creates the fish and the 207 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:48,480 birds, it says, so God created great sea creatures and every living thing 208 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:54,679 that moves with which the waters abounded according to the kind, and every wing 209 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,879 bird according to according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 210 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,759 But the great sea creatures is a Hebrew word called the tannin, which 211 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:07,600 is the sea monsters really, and so it is a kind of generic term 212 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:14,120 for these massive, giant sea creatures that are that are considered monsters of which 213 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,639 you know the Levithan or there are also different of different versions of which I 214 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:26,480 forget the name at this moment. It'll come back to me, sorry, 215 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,120 And so there's different these different sea monsters that exist in the sea. And 216 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,240 so in scripture, think about it now, as they are these kind of 217 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:40,039 monstrous things that exist in the waters, and what they end up representing often 218 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,159 is they end up representing the waters themselves. They end up representing chaos itself, 219 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,200 because they are these monsters at the bottom of the world, in the 220 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:52,840 in the waters, and that is what the Levithan ends up representing very much 221 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:57,960 as well. But the thing about chaos is that chaos is also potential. 222 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:07,359 Chaos is also power. And so think about how you have an authority and 223 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,680 that authority wants to increase its reach. So what it will do is it 224 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:17,880 will try to reach out into the thing that it doesn't master yet and in 225 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:22,519 mastering them or incorporating them, what it will do it will increase its power. 226 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,319 Right. So by you know, the Roman Empire, by invading the 227 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,759 Northern Barbarians and by including the Barbarians into their fold, what they're doing is 228 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:36,880 they're increasing their power. And so this is the way to kind of understand 229 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,079 that or even understand the warrior that is this on the edge of an army 230 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:47,599 that is going crazy and he's kind of killing people because he's this expression of 231 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,880 power. Okay, So chaos and potential can also be represented as power. 232 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,039 So that's what ends up happening. In scripture is that the Levithan is represented 233 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,880 in different ways. Sometimes the so so for example, so in in the 234 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,279 Psalms, for example, there's this text that talks about the the Levithan and 235 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:11,720 it says, here's the sea. It talks about the power of God and 236 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:15,640 like God's creation, how God interacts with creation he says, here's the sea, 237 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:19,920 vast and spacious, teeming with creatures beyond number, living things both large 238 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,880 and small. There the ships go to and fro and Leviathan, which you 239 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:30,160 form to frolic there. So Leviathan is represented as like God's pet, basically 240 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,519 as kind of God's plaything that he created in the waters to kind of play 241 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,839 and too and to frolic in these giant, you know, waters. And 242 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,640 so here it's this sense that the you know, it's it's almost like the 243 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,920 kind of chaotic playfulness of God is represented in this giant sea monster that just 244 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,480 rides through the through the waters. But in the same thing in the Book 245 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:59,000 of Job, then the Leviathan is represented as an expression of God's power. 246 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,160 You know. It's like, who can you can you control the Leviathan? 247 00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:07,319 You human, like, do you have enough power to master this giant monster? 248 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:11,960 And the answer is, of course no. And this is an example 249 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:15,920 to show how are capacity, our power is limited compared to the capacity and 250 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,359 power of God. Okay, and so but in the way that it's represented 251 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,640 in the idea that it's a kind of chaos. This is the relationship between 252 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:33,079 the serpent, the sea monster and what we call the ouroboros, that is, 253 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:38,240 the idea that of a serpent eating its own tail. And so why 254 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,319 do we have this image of a serpent eating in its own tail? What's 255 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,759 the relationship between the rest? And you know, if you read my brother's 256 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:49,599 book, we'll see an image of his cover, you'll understand that it has 257 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:55,079 to do exactly what that. It has to do with a type of causality 258 00:19:55,119 --> 00:20:00,559 which is not linear and logical and coherent, but rather a circularity, right, 259 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,319 a kind of breakdown of linear causality, which is which is changed, 260 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,279 which is transformation, and is represented as the ridiculous idea. Not ridiculous, 261 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:17,200 but like the idea of the serpent basically feeding on its own tail, which 262 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:22,839 is obviously an impossibility you can't have. It's basically a kind of cannibalism. 263 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,039 Like cannibalism, self eating is not possible. If you do that, you 264 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:30,200 obviously you'll degenerate, you know. But then it becomes an image of this 265 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:36,000 idea. But then it can easily then become an image of the edge of 266 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,400 something, right, in the sense that it's the place where an identity starts 267 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,599 to lose its coherence, and so it ends up being the rim or the 268 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,880 periphery around an identity, because it is exactly that it is the the you 269 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,079 know, an identity has a kind of coherence, It lays itself out in 270 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,319 a regular pattern. But then when you reach the edge of that identity, 271 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,400 you reach the place where it starts to contry itself, where it starts to 272 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:06,640 not be completely logical, and that is represented can be represented as this circle 273 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,799 of chaos, this rim of chaos, which is of course the ocean itself, 274 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,200 you know, that is around the giant island of the world. But 275 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,039 then also you know, mythologically represented as a serpent. Now, this image 276 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:23,680 of the serpent eating its tail is of course extremely ancient, you know. 277 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:29,240 I'll just show you one very old image version of it that you can find 278 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,119 in Egypt, where you see, of course the serpent with the head at 279 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:38,279 the top eating its tail, and then the pharaoh representing the center, representing 280 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,079 the order part. I don't know if it's a faraoh, but it's like 281 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:47,680 the human the person who's there is representing the identity, the order. And 282 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:55,240 then around that identity and order is this kind of circle of limit of chaos. 283 00:21:55,319 --> 00:22:00,480 Now, this image happens everywhere, right and so my brother use it 284 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,200 in his book as this image of the serpent that goes around the tree, 285 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:07,960 the tree being now the identity in the center, and then the the a 286 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:14,799 robos going around the tree being this kind of change or transformation or chaos or 287 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:18,079 power or potential. There's all these different analogies to what it is that is 288 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,160 outside of the current identity. And you know, I just want to say 289 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,599 a little thing. I usually don't get into polemics too much, but it's 290 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,839 interesting because you know, you have you know, James Lindsay, who kind 291 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,640 of came after me and came after Jordan Peterson and a bunch of people. 292 00:22:33,839 --> 00:22:37,880 He started saying how the arobos is the symbol that is from occultism, that 293 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,440 it's from alchemy, that is from gnoscissism. And it's like, well, 294 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,039 yeah, it does appear there, but it's not the only place it appears. 295 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:51,039 The image of the serpent turning on itself is an image which is completely 296 00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:55,279 coherent and is there in the tradition as well. It's there in Christianity, 297 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:59,279 it's there in Judaism, and we'll see examples of it as we move forward 298 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:03,160 to show that just because gnostics or occultists or whatever. Use a symbol, 299 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:08,000 you know, does not reduce it to that use. And often all these 300 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:14,799 weird magical people they try to take symbolism for their own purpose. But that 301 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:18,759 doesn't mean that you can limit that symbolism to that use, Right, It's 302 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:22,359 a it's a pretty simple thing. Like it's not. It's not that complicated 303 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,200 to understand that if you see an eye in a triangle, it doesn't mean 304 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,039 Freemasonry, Like it doesn't mean Illuminati. It means it means the eye of 305 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,680 Eternity, it means the Trinity, it means the all seeing eye. And 306 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:41,559 it was used by these organizations as in a kind of parasitic way in order 307 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,359 to you know, to at least to that was more related to their own 308 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:51,759 particular use. But the symbolism itself is not cannot be limited to that in 309 00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:53,440 the same way, like a swastika. The idea that a swastika as a 310 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,920 Nazi symbol is one of the most ridiculous things you can think. It's like, 311 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:02,240 swastika is one of the most universal symbols, one of the most universal 312 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,920 symbols ever created. Anyways, I've talked about this many times, and so 313 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,640 what I want to show you is I want to show you some images. 314 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,039 So in the Jewish tradition, the image of the Leviathan as this particularly round 315 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:22,200 fish or around you know, sea monster was quite prominent in the Middle Ages, 316 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:29,200 you know. And so you can see that the fish is not biting 317 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,680 its tail, but it does have that kind of circular motion, and it 318 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,240 does have this kind of peripheral idea that it is a a periphery that is 319 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,119 around something in the middle. So here you have this red part in the 320 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,440 center. Here you have these kind of flames that are in the middle with 321 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:49,079 the with the fish that is going around and kind of touching its own tail, 322 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:55,480 as this sea monster, chaotic monster, chaotic fish, all of this 323 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:06,559 type of imagery. And so in the in the scripture, the the this 324 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,799 dragon or the Leviathan then again ends up having these two aspects of symbolism. 325 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,359 So for example, in the Book of Isaiah, now we have this image 326 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,480 of the Leviathan as the chaos, which is opposing order, right, the 327 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:25,240 chaos which is fighting order. The dragon in the sense of Saint George, 328 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,599 right, that is coming to like eat the virgin, and the warrior has 329 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,480 to spear this dragon. And so it says that in the day of the 330 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:36,799 Lord, you know, in that day, that final day, that final 331 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,279 day of all revelation, you know, the end of the world, that 332 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,039 in that day the Lord with his with his sore and great and strong sword, 333 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:51,880 will punish Leviathan the giant serpent, and Leviathan the tortuous serpent, and 334 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,279 he will slay the dragon that is in the sea. Right. And so 335 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,480 this is the image that we are represented, that we're representing in the in 336 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:07,119 God's Dog right. And so in God's Dog we have this image of the 337 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,720 of Saint Michael coming down and now slaying Leviathan in the sea. But you'll 338 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:17,759 say that's weird because it doesn't say Saint Michael, right, it says God 339 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,960 slew the Leviathan in the sea. And so just keep track of that, 340 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,039 and as we move forward you'll get a sense of how all these things ultimately 341 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:33,920 come together. But like I said, there's also an image that is represented 342 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,119 positively, like I said before, and in the image I just showed you, 343 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,519 which is in the Jewish tradition, that is how it's represented in the 344 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:47,839 Jewish tradition. So below here what you have is something called the Feast of 345 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,960 the Leviathan, and so there are Jewish traditions we talk about how in the 346 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,160 Messianic time, at the end of the world, when all is finished, 347 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,559 there will be a great feast where we will eat eat the flesh of the 348 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:08,240 Leviathan, and the skin of the Levithan will be used to cover Jerusalem, 349 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:17,799 and that the people will wear the skin of the Leviathan, and that we 350 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,880 like a glorious skin, and so they'll eat the flesh of the Levithan and 351 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,079 they will wear the skin of the Leviathan as this kind of glorious image. 352 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:29,279 And you think, well, that is weird. That is a very strange 353 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:33,160 image. Why would they have an image like that? And what's weirdest about 354 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,160 it is, by the way, if you know about God's dog is look 355 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,960 at how all these people at the end of the world in the Messianic age 356 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:45,920 have animal heads. If you notice, it's not exactly for the same reasons 357 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,519 that we have animal heads in our story. In these it's more about kind 358 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:52,160 of specific characteristics. I think it's hard to know exactly what the meaning of 359 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,640 these images are, but it seems more like the idea like specific characteristics which 360 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,960 are in their glory right. So they're where crowns, but they represent, 361 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,799 you know, different parts of the of what humanity is. What's interesting, 362 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,759 though, is that there is a donkey there, and so there's definitely pure 363 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:17,759 and impure in the Messianic age coming together. But why would we have that? 364 00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:22,240 But the thing is that we have something similar in Christianity, which is 365 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:29,799 this image of the heavenly Jerusalem, and the heavenly Jerusalem is civilization. But 366 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,440 now it's like, right, you think it's so weird because you think civilization 367 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,880 isn't chaos, is it? Civilization is power? Right? This image of 368 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,039 the garments of skin that I've talked about many times, which is this image 369 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:47,119 of this covering that God gives men that turns into basically everything that man uses 370 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,519 to cover himself, you know, and civilization being like the big part of 371 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:56,599 that. And in the end you have this glorious version of civilization where civilization 372 00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:02,400 basically is filled with the glory of God and it and what was dangerous in 373 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,359 chaotic and potential is now eliminated and you have a sea of crystal. Right 374 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:10,519 in the Book of Revelation, the seed is no more, there's no more 375 00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:15,039 ocean, there's no more Leviathan there the Divithan has been has been conquered, 376 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:22,200 and everything that is the exterior part, all the skin, has now been 377 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,319 turned into glory, which is in revelation represented as the heavenly Jerusalem as the 378 00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:33,480 city the covering that is filled with glory. But the image of the Leviathan 379 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:38,359 and the feast of the serpent, and how then it is turned into these 380 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,200 skins that people wear and that Jerusalem is covered in is very similar imagery in 381 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:52,039 terms of what it means, and it shows the two aspects of how it 382 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,880 is that chaos and order relate together. Is that sometimes order is shown as 383 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,240 subjugating chaos and d and uh, you know, and and ruling over it. 384 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:10,720 And then sometimes it's shown as order or the heaven filling up the chaos 385 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:15,000 and filling it up with light and with glory and with radiance. And so 386 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,880 those two images are important to maintain in that kind of balance or in a 387 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,559 kind of in attention, because they both represent important aspects of how it is 388 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:30,200 it heaven and earth joined together. Now, this image of the circular dragon 389 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:37,759 or the circular serpent that represents the Leviathan is one which you find as Christianity 390 00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:42,960 as well. Here are two examples. So here is Antichrist now who is 391 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:48,880 sitting on the great beasts that is represented in Revelation, and the great beast 392 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,000 that comes out of the sea, you remember, and so there's there's great 393 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:57,880 beast that comes out of the sea. Is also a circular structure. Like 394 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,640 I said, it doesn't it's not exactly the serpent eating its tail in this 395 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,000 case on the one on the left, but it does still have the same 396 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,039 structure of the dragon, the beasts, the serpent coming out of the sea. 397 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:19,559 And now of having this circular image on which the Antichrist is sitting on 398 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:25,480 the on the right side. Here now you have the image of the dragon 399 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,680 really eating its tail. This is from a twelfth century image where you see 400 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:33,200 the dragon kind of eating his own tail. And there are different versions of 401 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,359 this. I didn't take so many, but if you look up medieval croziers, 402 00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:41,920 for example, that is the bishop's staff that happened in the Middle Ages, 403 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,480 you'll see the same structure as as this. You'll see the same structure 404 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:52,559 as the this circular serpent, but now in the center often will be Saint 405 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:57,319 Michael spearing the serpent sometimes and then other times what you'll see in the middle 406 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,799 will be something like the Lamb of God that's in the center and the serpent 407 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,240 that is around it. Now think again about this image of the Heavenly Jerusalem. 408 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:09,359 You know of the Lamb of God that is in the middle of the 409 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:15,319 city and around the city, around the Lamb of God or the walls of 410 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:20,119 the city, and the civilizational multiple aspects of civilization, and you can represent 411 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,880 that as the lamb in the center and a serpent or a dragon circling around 412 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,880 it, right, And so you can see that when I talk about how 413 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,400 the feasts of the Leviathan in the Hebrew tradition and the Jewish tradition and the 414 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:38,720 Heavenly Jerusalem are similar in their meaning, right, they kind of they play 415 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:44,400 with the same type of imagery. And of course there are different versions of 416 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,240 this, Like I just want to show you an image or here is the 417 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:53,279 image of the Bronz serpent, where again the circularity of the serpent is made 418 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:57,880 prominent. You know, it's like, it's actually kind of awkward to draw 419 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,880 a serpent like this, but clearly what the artist wanted to do was to 420 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:07,200 emphasize this kind of shape that is robaros like, right, that has that 421 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:15,240 kind of circular structure to it. Okay, all right, Now, the 422 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,920 thing about this is is that this image of the serpent eating its tail, 423 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,319 the serpent turning on himself, is an image that is there from the very 424 00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:27,880 beginning. It's there in the Book of Genesis. Not in the Book of 425 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,799 Genesis, but in the way that we represent the Book of Genesis. So 426 00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:37,119 we often think just of the serpent eating its tail, you know, directly, 427 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:44,200 But a better way of representing how this circularity works is actually like this. 428 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,480 So it's not just like one wheel of a serpent, but it's multiple 429 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:53,559 wheels of a serpent. And so the serpent wrapped around a tree is just 430 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:59,759 the same as the levithan wrapped around the world. It's exactly the same as 431 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:02,920 the image that my brother put on his book, which is that you have 432 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,079 the tree in the center, you have the identity of the structure, you 433 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:12,599 have the thing that is ordered, and then around it you have these circles, 434 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,400 these rings of chaos. And I did it on purpose to show that 435 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:22,960 in the Middle Ages they often understood that this serpent wasn't just a serpent, 436 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:29,119 was really like a kind of monstrous dragon character which you see here on the 437 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:34,039 right side. You know that's often identified as lilith or as different kind of 438 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,559 monstrous demonic characters. But you can see here that the serpent has legs. 439 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,719 You know that the serpent has a human face and is also also has that, 440 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,599 So it really is a monster or a dragon. It's not just a 441 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,480 serpent in the most simple sense. But the serpent is fine. But what 442 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,119 I want you to see is that, like this is how symbolism works, 443 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:57,280 is that it's a serpent, it's a fish, it's a monster, it's 444 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,599 a dragon. It's like you have to be able to see se how of 445 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:05,000 course, these all these images are distinct, and they can be used to 446 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:09,039 show something distinct, but they can also become analogies for each other and easily 447 00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:14,800 slip back and forth into each other without there being any problem because you can 448 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,760 understand them where their place is in the story, right, It's like there's 449 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:22,760 the place where they're put. Is there to help you see the analogies that 450 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:30,679 exist between these these different images. And so so now we have to get 451 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:35,880 into like the crux of things. And so in the Book of Revelation, 452 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,840 there is also something about this which is that it says in the Book of 453 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,880 Revelation twelve, verse seven to nine, it says, now a war arose 454 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,559 in heaven, and Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the 455 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,800 dragon and his angels fought, but they were defeated. There was no longer 456 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,880 any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down the 457 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,719 ancient serpent, who is called the devil in Satan, the deceiver of the 458 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,559 whole world. He was thrown down to earth, and his angels were thrown 459 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:14,000 down with him. And so look at what's going on here, Like it's 460 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:22,639 very powerful, what is happening. So here the serpent and the dragon is 461 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,800 identified with Satan and the devil. Now in the text it doesn't say Leviathan 462 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,199 anymore, but anybody who knows their scripture will remember that in Isaiah it says 463 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:38,360 on that day the Lord will kill Leviathan, the Lord will defeat Levithan. 464 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:45,079 And so everybody knows that this verse is referring back to that verse in Isaiah. 465 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:49,960 And so the dragon that is being spoken of is the Leviathan. It 466 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,639 is the great Dragon, but it is also the opposer. It is the 467 00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:58,360 Satan, it is the so it is the devil that is the one that 468 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,719 separates, and it is the Satan that is the one that opposes. And 469 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,960 in this case you have this hostile image between order and chaos, between chaos 470 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:15,039 that opposes the identity, chaos that tries to revolt itself against the multiplicity that 471 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:22,760 sides to revolt itself against the unity. And that's why you have then images 472 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,800 like this right. So the one on the left is my carving. It 473 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:32,239 is Saint Michael killing the dragon in the Book of Revelation, Saint Michael killing 474 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,119 the Leviathan, if you understand it, from the Book of Isaiah. And 475 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,920 on the right now you have another version of this image, which is Saint 476 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:46,199 Michael killing the devil. And in this version, if you see on the 477 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,920 right, Saint Michael has the sword, because in Isaiah it says with his 478 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:57,360 mighty sword, will he kill the devil. And so if you remember, 479 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,000 if you remember the image I showed you of God's dog at the outset, 480 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,119 Saint Michael now is killing the Leviathan with a sword. But it's totally fine 481 00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:08,000 to represent it as a lance as well. That is become the more traditional 482 00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:13,320 way in the East of representing this relationship because what it is it's a spear, 483 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,880 it's it's basically an axis, right, it's a pole, it's an 484 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,559 identity, right, it's a one. And that one is now going to 485 00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:25,280 fix the many and the slithering and the motion and the chaos and the division. 486 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,119 Right, So it's going to fix that in the ground. And so 487 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:37,199 that relationship of hostility between the idea of defeating the chaos and defeating the opposition 488 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,760 is there the in the text. It related to the devil, that is 489 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,920 that which divides, to the satan, that is that which opposes. And 490 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,280 then Saint Jerome, for example, he goes all out and he just says, 491 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,719 you know, the Levithan is the serpent in Genesis, you know, 492 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,760 he he he says that the Levithan is the same serpent that you see in 493 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,920 Genesis tempting Adam and e. And so he just kind of looped it all 494 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,800 together and just ties the Knight's bow in it to help you see how all 495 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:12,559 of these things are connected. Now, But in this symbolism, you have 496 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:17,239 to understand that the other symbolism, which is that the symbolism of the filling, 497 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:25,079 the symbolism of the glorification, doesn't need to go away, and it 498 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:30,760 can be maintained inside the way that we represent these different images, and that 499 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:39,119 that's where we get to this problem, which is that on the one side 500 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:52,280 you see God and his angel spearing, you know, completely dominating the chaos 501 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,800 and the disorder and the opposer. But on the other side, what you 502 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:05,599 see is God filling up and becoming death and being joined to death. And 503 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,760 that is why Christ on the cross looks like a serpent, and that's why 504 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,519 Christ's on the cross is represented as the bronze serpent. That's why Christ himself 505 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:22,679 says that he will be lifted up like the bronze serpent will be lifted up. 506 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,480 Now, the Cross does many things. It does both at the same 507 00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,400 time, by the way, which is again the cross will always wreck you 508 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,400 if you try to think about it too much, because the Cross is both 509 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:42,119 God becoming the serpent and you know, entering into the chaos, into the 510 00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:45,519 death and filling it with himself. But it is also at the same time 511 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:53,800 the spearing and the fixing of the serpent by the nails onto the structure of 512 00:40:53,840 --> 00:41:01,320 reality. And so the true the serpent around the tree is nailed to the 513 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,239 tree, and so it's like he both but it's not just nailed to the 514 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,519 tree. He also becomes the serpent. So that duality or that fullness of 515 00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:17,800 the paradox of God both coming into death becoming sin for us, all these 516 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:23,280 types of images that are completely crazy, but then also being while he's doing 517 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,800 that, being the one that is now going down into death and spearing the 518 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,400 devil. And so it brings you back to that image that I showed you 519 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:37,519 at the outset, you know, which is these two possibilities, like how 520 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:43,719 these different possibilities can coexist in the manner which they're represented. So here you 521 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,360 see Christ coming down with his cross, but his cross is a spear, 522 00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,679 right, Look at the cross that Christ is bringing into death. So he's 523 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:59,000 spearing the mouth of death, just like Saint Michael is spearing the mouth of 524 00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:02,960 death in the in the other image, you know, And now it's Christ 525 00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,320 doing that, but he's at the same time going into death and coming to 526 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,840 take the people out of death. So you can see how all of these 527 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,079 are related and how the subtlety of the symbolism is important to maintain so that 528 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:24,039 we don't fall into kind of just simplistic and moralistic interpretations. Okay, And 529 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:32,800 so this type of imagery leads up to this image of the for example, 530 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,800 the bishop's staff, which has serpents on it. And so here you have 531 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:44,400 these two serpents that are represented around the cross. And of course it is 532 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:50,679 a version or you know, let's say, a similar to the Cadusius or 533 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:57,159 the rod of Asclepius, which is an image of medicine. And so why 534 00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,519 why would we have that because a lot of people are annoyed, like when 535 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:05,679 they see the bishop like with this two serpents, they think this is pagan, 536 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,000 this is pagan, but it isn't pagan, right, it's right there, 537 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,639 it's right out of scripture. It's right out of the idea of Moses 538 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,840 taking his rod and then when he takes it it becomes rad and when he 539 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,159 lets it go, it becomes a serpent. And that's it, Like, 540 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,519 that's the whole thing. It's the tree, that is the identity, and 541 00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:30,519 it's the one that is that is held right when you hold on to it, 542 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:35,320 when you when you grasp it, then you know that it is an 543 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,400 identity. And when you let go, when you drop it, when you 544 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:45,360 lose it, when you forget it, then it becomes a snake and it 545 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,239 becomes a monster, and he becomes something that doesn't have a clear identity, 546 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,480 and and so this is the type of imagery that is there in the Cross. 547 00:43:54,519 --> 00:44:00,119 And there's a there's a surprise about this chaos is that it has two 548 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,559 sides. It both is on the one hand, that which can oppose, 549 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,639 that which can divide right, the satan and the devil. But it is 550 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:14,519 also, in the surprise, that which can also increase power and increase glory 551 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,800 and ultimately heal from the other side. So we have to be careful which 552 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,320 when we're dealing with because obviously, you know, many a hero, you 553 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,480 know, heretical idea has come from confusing that, you know, and you 554 00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,039 see that in the kind of gnostic teaching. You do see that where they 555 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:37,599 say things like Adam listening to the serpent at eating the apple was in fact 556 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,559 the type of enlightenment that they were actually doing what was right. But that 557 00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:45,000 is not the way we understand it. Really, the Cross is the way 558 00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,679 that all of this is settled. The Cross, which is the opposite of 559 00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:53,280 the kind of chaos or the multiplicity rising up to try to revolt itself against 560 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,719 identity, but is rather this giving up and this giving in, you know, 561 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,800 to to kind of offer yourself, and in that manner, the entering 562 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:09,000 into chaos then becomes a type of filling and a type of glory. And 563 00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:15,320 so hopefully this is a little helpful kind of understand what this imagery of the 564 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,519 serpent can mean, you know why the imagery of the Leviathan can easily in 565 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:24,079 both have both of those images in them, whether it is this idea of 566 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:30,400 the great power of God and creating these monstrous, you know, chaotic beings, 567 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,519 but at the same time that those chaotic beings can of course become a 568 00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,239 position and become an image for the devil and the Satan. That is the 569 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,320 like I said, the one that breaks down identity and the one that opposes 570 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,800 it. And if you're interested in that, put it in the description as 571 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,719 well. I wrote an article called the Serpents of Orthodoxy a long time ago, 572 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,480 like ten years or more than ten years ago, that you can look 573 00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:57,519 up and you can read a bit more about this whole idea of the relationship 574 00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:00,880 between the serpent and medicine and all that. And if you're also interested in 575 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,360 this idea, like I said, do not forget to support us with God's 576 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,360 dog two. This is the second book of five. This is going to 577 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,400 be a massively epics story, folks, that's going to move all through these 578 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,199 medieval legends, but then also through scripture and through a bunch of surprising things 579 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,960 as well. So everybody, thanks for your support and your attention, and 580 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:24,639 I hope to see some of you at the Symbolic World Summit, and if 581 00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:29,880 not, we'll also discuss online. So thanks everybody, and I'll talk to 582 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:42,400 you very soon. Byebye. In twenty twenty one, my brother Mets you 583 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,679 and I, with the help of Poor Nielsen of Philip Carton, introduce all 584 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:51,159 of you to a new vision of storytelling. We launched a God's Dog Monster 585 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,719 graphic novel through crowdfunding, introducing the dog headed Saint Christopher, the dragon slang 586 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,000 Saint George to full view as a new epic story. Again. The response 587 00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:07,840 was astounded, reaching over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and ultimately selling out 588 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:12,239 our first print of the book. 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