1 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:53,560 The Paranormal Project Radio show. Carry your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen. 2 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:00,719 Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Paranormal Projec Radio show. I am 3 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:04,799 your host Scott Allen and my lovely co host Christina Bowen. How are you, 4 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:10,480 my friend? Great? How are you? I'm good? I'm good. 5 00:01:10,519 --> 00:01:14,079 So, just just to be fair, this performance or this performance, 6 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:19,599 this show is yeah, we're not singing and dancing here. This show is 7 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,480 recorded, and we wanted to have a couple of them in the can because 8 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,400 we are doing some traveling. We're going to be in San Antonio, We're 9 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:27,760 going to be in New Orleans, We're going to be in a bunch of 10 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,480 different places. So I want to have a few shows that we could put 11 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:34,319 out there that were fresh and new while we're actually on the road and not 12 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,159 able to be here in person. And this is one of those shows. 13 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,920 So comments are disabled for tonight, but thank you for watching. You were 14 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,560 gonna love this, you know, Christina, we've all seen that person. 15 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,719 We've all had that experience where someone will post a photo on Facebook or some 16 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,840 forum and we look at it and we say to ourselves, I don't see 17 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:04,079 it. All these people are commenting, there's faces in the trees, there's 18 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:10,000 faces in the windows, there's or orbs, orbs everywhere. So tonight we 19 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:19,120 are going to be talking with Greg and he is one of the things he 20 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,400 does, he talks about these things that not everything is paranormal, and it's 21 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:28,080 not. It's not paranormal. And he brought some evidence out, So we're 22 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,680 gonna get a chance to look at that together with him and actually put on 23 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,560 my own in there too. I wanted to take a look at but we're 24 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:38,319 going to talk about this, so I'm going to bring him out. Gregge, 25 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,759 Nice to see you, Welcome back to the show. How are you 26 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:46,280 good? Hi? How you guys doing great? Great? Thanks for joining 27 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,159 us. Oh sure, my pleasure. Yeah. And actually, you know 28 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:52,439 it's sunny here. Are you getting okay? Whether where you are? Greg? 29 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,479 Right now? I know it's knowing it's it's it's fifteen degrees here now, 30 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,439 so we have a heat wave. So but we live like on the 31 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:06,840 west side of I'm in northeast Ohio. We live on the west side of 32 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:10,479 the Cleveland area where we don't get as much snow as the east side does. 33 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,000 So I mean we just got a little sprinkling, So it's not bad. 34 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:19,240 We stay in. You know, if you live in the if you 35 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:23,039 live in the South, when it's hot, you stay in. Want it's 36 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:28,520 here. When it's cold, you stay in. So exactly, Yeah, 37 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:32,560 I hybernight, hibernate here from you know, December through May because it's just 38 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,680 cool, you know. But actually it's bad here today. The sun is 39 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:40,319 shining, is probably high thirties, almost forty, which is a lot better 40 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,599 than a lot of the country. I heard Wyoming was negative forty this morning. 41 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:50,159 Yeah, wow, oh my god, we've got like two degrees coming 42 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:53,280 tonight. And I was getting worried about that. But no, negative forty 43 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,719 never crazy, it's rough. So, Greg, you've been doing this for 44 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:02,560 a while, the whole paranormal thing evidence, and you're very involved with the 45 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:08,439 Ohio State Reformatory and the parapsychon and and so you've been around a few haunted 46 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:12,840 locations and I know you've seen it. You've seen it too, and not 47 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:19,199 everything is paranormal, right, tell us what's your thought on orbs. Let's 48 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,120 go straight into it. Yeah, yeah, let's just go straight into it 49 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:29,399 and into it. Orbs are not paranormal unless you actually see it with your 50 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:33,839 eyes. I mean, if you see a bright ball coming down the stairway 51 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:41,120 or floating across the room, then maybe it's paranormal. But all this stuff 52 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,759 that people capture and photographs and videos, no, it's no, it's not 53 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:54,360 paranormal at all. In fact, I do a talk presentation of paradilia shadows 54 00:04:54,399 --> 00:05:00,079 and orbs where it's like, you know, not everything's paranormal, and we 55 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,720 talked about why it's not paranormal, and I've got examples and that I show 56 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:10,560 people, and so it's you know, is you know we see faces and 57 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:13,079 everything. We just do that. You know, it's like the hidden mickeys, 58 00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:17,879 three dots exactly, the clouds and everywhere, right, yeah, yeah, 59 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:25,920 that's oh yeah, that's prevalent in uh online, it's real prevalent. 60 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:31,560 And I use a lot of examples too in my talks. Some that are 61 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,160 just like fun, you know, you get something that looks like a face. 62 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:40,199 But then I've got some where people are like, this is paranormal. 63 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,439 Look at that face, And I'm like, why would there be a face 64 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,839 on your toilet bowl? You know, it's like, you know what makes 65 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:55,480 that parents? It's like, yeah, sometimes you just are just shake, 66 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,879 shake, your head, you know. And I'm not I mean, I'm 67 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,040 I'm not a skeptic of to paranormal because we all know that it is out 68 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:11,040 there and it does exist. I'm skeptic of all the experiences and evidence believe 69 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,879 they have or get yes right right, because it's it's too well, you 70 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,839 know. I think part of the problem is the TV shows have done this. 71 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:25,199 You know, some of them are so fantastical that you know, every 72 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,240 year, every corner posessed and scratched. So they go out and they see 73 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,000 this stuff and they think, oh my god, you know, this is 74 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:36,800 crazy and it's just not and and you know, talk about orbs. I 75 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,800 mean, people have to you know what I should have brought. Christina and 76 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:45,399 I last year were in what's that place? We went Randolph County Asylum. 77 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Yes, yes, and uh we went into the basement and there was this 78 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:55,839 can of I don't know if it was paint thinner or do you remember this. 79 00:06:56,319 --> 00:07:01,279 It was like furniture polishes or something something like that orbes. And I 80 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:06,839 took pictures and I went look. I found it ORB all over the all 81 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:09,879 over the place. I should have had it tonight. I was going to 82 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,959 have your debunk it it now, it would have been awesome. But yeah, 83 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:21,879 it's with photos. Have you had anybody to submit obviously faked photos to 84 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:28,680 you? Oh? Yeah, yeah, And that's why I'm very skeptical now 85 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:33,079 when people bring me photos, you know, if they send them to me 86 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:41,480 through email or at the Ohio State Reformatory, I'm very skeptical, especially especially 87 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,839 with cell phones. Yes I am. I mean it's almost like I will 88 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:53,439 tell people, do not show me photos from your cell phone. Why because 89 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:57,680 they can doctor it too easily. That's one of the reasons. And they're 90 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:03,000 they're great for taking photos of aations and graduations and stuff like that, but 91 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:07,399 trying to take photos in a dark location when you're using the flash, it's 92 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,399 it's not the greatest piece of photographic equipment to use, right right, right, 93 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:18,279 yeah, yeah, In fact that I don't miss slash much. But 94 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,319 you can adjust the you can adjust the the exposure on it, so a 95 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:24,519 lot of times, you know, if you put it on a tripod or 96 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:26,519 something, you can take a photo and as long as it's not moving and 97 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,519 there's a little bit of light in the room somewhere, it'll take a decent 98 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:37,080 photo. Right, But it's don't come to me with a cell phone photo. 99 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:41,120 It's because it's just too odd. They're just too easy to manipulate too. 100 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:48,480 And they have apps now that are for entertainment that will overlap and you 101 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:56,960 can adjust transparency or you'll put a most Civil War soldier or exactly Victorian woman 102 00:08:56,519 --> 00:09:01,639 in your image, move it around, and it's just the transparency. I've 103 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:05,480 had people submit photos like that for me too, and I'm like, seriously, 104 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,440 and I just sent them a screenshot of the app and then they go 105 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:15,440 away. Yeah, I mean, and it's we've always encountered that. Ever 106 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,639 since the spiritual movement started. There's always been tricksters and fraud and fakes. 107 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,720 I mean, ever since the Fox Sisters in the eighteen forty eight. It's 108 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:31,519 they were actually hoaxing everything. And spirit photography, you know, that was 109 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:37,440 the same, the same thing. They were just overlapping all the different It 110 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,240 was a photography technique, is all it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 111 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,960 And it's a lot a lot of people believed that. A lot of 112 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,480 people believed it back then, just like a lot of people believe it now 113 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:52,120 because of all the TV shows. It's true, it's not as prevalent as 114 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:56,200 these shows would make you believe. I mean it's there, it's there. 115 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:01,200 We all get stuff, we get recorded, we get you know, things 116 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,519 catch things we experience that you can't prove because it was just a personal experience. 117 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:11,879 But it's not it's not like you see right on TV. Just not. 118 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:16,360 No. In fact, we were at that you know, talking about 119 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,000 Randolph County Asylum. I mean there was stuff there, but we debunked a 120 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:24,440 lot of it. You know, there were noises and things that were creepy, 121 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,720 and we figured it out. This is not now. I've been at 122 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:35,440 that location several times and I've had experiences, but a great deal can be 123 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:41,960 debunked, and that it's just being a good investigator. Seriously rule out all 124 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:48,600 other possibilities. First you agree, oh yeah, and you know I'm believing 125 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,440 paranel investigator at the Hell State Reformatory. So I basically run all the private 126 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:58,440 hunts. Actually, my wife Kathy, you know, she does all the 127 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:01,159 private hunts, but I'm the one who actual works them. And I have 128 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,440 a lot a lot of guests that will bring video to me or photos or 129 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,679 whatever. And I'm like, did you try to debunk it? Well, 130 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,159 no, it's look at look it. I'm like, let's go and you 131 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,519 know, numerous times we were able to figure it out. Or I tell 132 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:18,320 somebody to go back out and see if that. You know, this is 133 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,080 what you need to do to check it, and it's like they don't come 134 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,519 back and say, no, we didn't work, you know. So I'm 135 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:31,000 like, okay, it's the bunk. Yes, so, and or they 136 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,200 have one photo and you don't know where it was a minute, you know, 137 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,240 a second before and the second afterwards. They just take one photo and 138 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:43,759 look what right, And I see I can't bite my tongue, you know, 139 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,759 especially there. I'm just like, all right, so let me tell 140 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,559 you what's going on here. And uh, you know, some of them 141 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:56,240 get bummed out. Some of them are like, oh okay, and some 142 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,320 of them are like, I don't care what you say. You're not going 143 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:05,440 to convince them. No, no, you're not ok ahead. I was 144 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,759 gonna see that. And you're at the whole Ohio State Reformatory. The place 145 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:15,600 has yeah, you know, there are things that happen. There's oh yeah, 146 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:20,519 it's just not everything right right. And I always well, but I 147 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:26,200 do my and I'm not a big paranormal equipment fan. I like my senses 148 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,919 and or I like to have a video camera or an audio recorder just in 149 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,399 case something does happen where you can capture it, because I like, you 150 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:41,960 know, site, sound, touch, smell, stuff like that. And 151 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,399 that's why I tell people too, it's like, you know, don't rely 152 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:50,399 on your equipment, rely on on your senses. And it is cross validation, 153 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:54,080 right, it's not the end all be all right, right, So 154 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:01,759 people rely too much on the equipment too. It's like, might give rid 155 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,720 of it, walk around the present, feel it, sip, listen. 156 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,559 Don't try so hard either, you know, because it'll come to you. 157 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:16,360 I think people try so hard to experience the paranormal that any little thing they 158 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:22,440 hear or see it's automatically paranormal. In the announce in the walls exactly it 159 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,840 could be. And that greed factor, you know, if they're if they're 160 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,720 not used to this and they're creeped out. You know, you hear in 161 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:30,919 the wall, like you say, a mouse or something, you're going to 162 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,320 think, oh my god, there's something here, right, yeah, you 163 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,240 know, so you go, you do. You give talks on this, 164 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,279 right, you give talks on on this sort of thing, which is how 165 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,440 I knew you did it. By the way I saw your saw your post, 166 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,799 which I thought on the show and talk about this, Oh, thank 167 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,919 you. Yeah, I do. I do several different talks. I do 168 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:58,679 one just based off my two books that I've written. Oh, and I 169 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,559 do one about the House State Reformatory. I do one about hot locations that 170 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:11,559 we've been to. And I also do the paradolia shadows and orbs and why 171 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,440 not everything is paranal. And we're going to get to look at some stuff 172 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,399 that you gave us. You gave us some photos that we're going to you 173 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:22,600 know, at some point during the show, we're going to put those up 174 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:24,360 on the screen and we'll look at them and see. You know, I 175 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,799 don't know. I mean, I really didn't look at them that closely, 176 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,039 so I don't know if we're talking that they're all fake or they're real or 177 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,039 I don't know because I haven't really paid much attention to it. And then 178 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,240 I threw a couple of myself. Okay, yeah, And when when you 179 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,519 put them up there, I'll talk about about them, and you know, 180 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:45,639 see why I tell you why I couldn't debunk them, Well, you couldn't 181 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,639 debunk them. Let's take a pea. Let's see which one you put up 182 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:54,000 first? Let's see, so we've got this, okay, yeah, that 183 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:01,679 was This was a private resonance that we did in Brexshfall, Ohio. Now 184 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:05,639 that area they had a lot of stuff going on there that if you see 185 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,039 that that door, that door would the door and I would rattle and shake 186 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,720 on its own. They would see they would actually see shadow figures in that 187 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:20,039 hallway there. And one evening, the homeowner calls me and he's all frantic 188 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,519 and he's like, we saw the shadow figure again in that hallway and our 189 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,759 dog actually started attacking it, just snapping at the air. Wow. So 190 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:35,879 they were freaked out. So this was at the beginning of our investigation where 191 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:39,720 we're taking readings and photographs. We always photographed the hold location, so we 192 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:45,399 have base photographs and a couple of our team members that they were in there 193 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:50,320 and they took this photo and they noticed that dark shadow blob thing like up 194 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,559 toward the ceiling. And now I'm looking at it. I don't you know, 195 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:56,639 I don't know that that's something else or not, you know, to 196 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:02,519 tell you know, that's just where this is from the window. But there 197 00:16:02,559 --> 00:16:07,159 should be a second photo that goes along with that and you can see that 198 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:15,120 shadow is moving down. Yeah, that's so they didn't see the shadow at 199 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,279 the time. This was you know, the nice thing about digital cameras, 200 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,240 You get to see everything right then. And then they took a third photo 201 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:27,840 and it was gone. When they spent the whole night trying to debunk these 202 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:33,559 photos. And that's about our team too. It's like, you know, 203 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,759 that's not paranormal. I'm not saying as paranormal. We just couldn't debunk it 204 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:44,759 in our response to what they were experiencing the dark shadows in that area, 205 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,559 right, So you know, I would never say anything is paranormal because I 206 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,639 don't know, you know, all I can you just can rule out and 207 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,600 say what's not paranormal? Right exactly. I mean trying to debunk it all 208 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:03,720 night. They were so taken by these photographs that they're like, we got 209 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,079 to figure this out because that's not not right, and especially since it's moving 210 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,319 so and you know, just like you take photos right after you know one 211 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:18,319 another in case you get something exactly, I always say take three yep. 212 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,759 Yeah. So and they they did that. They took more, and they 213 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,359 took them all night and they could not get this shadow back in that area. 214 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,279 So now do you did? I send you the third photo to let 215 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:37,119 me see, Yeah, and it's coming completely gone. Yeah, so you 216 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,359 know they're good. It corresponds to what our client was experiencing in the general 217 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:48,319 same area. So it's just one of those things where we try to debunk 218 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,200 it we couldn't. Yeah, and it's a good yeah, very interesting. 219 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,680 But I like that you have the three photos and I think that's how you 220 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,680 know photo and say, look at the shadow, but that could be anything, 221 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:03,240 you know, right, And and all of our photographs are not taken 222 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:10,200 by cell phones. These are taken by you know, inexpensive expensive digital cameras. 223 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:12,839 You know. It just depends on what each investigator Gator has. But 224 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,680 when we do private residents always tell our investigators do not use cell phones. 225 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:23,799 So and this was there's still a light out too, so it's not like 226 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:29,039 there's still this was still daylight. Yeah yeah, yeah, I was wondering 227 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:34,400 then, right, So many people just don't seem to understand that places are 228 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,880 just as haunted during the day as they are at night, right, right, 229 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,240 Oh, definitely, yeah, it's true. Okay, let's see what's 230 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,359 the next one. Okay, we have this. So now this one, 231 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,599 this was an outdoor location. This is a location near Akron, Ohio called 232 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:59,680 Signal Tree, Okay, And I don't realize like outdoor locations because you know, 233 00:18:59,759 --> 00:19:03,559 you've there's so many things that could interfere, especially with photographs, bugs 234 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:10,720 and stuff like like that. But I think this night, what took like 235 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,200 over one hundred photographs in this area and there was only I believe five of 236 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,839 them that had weird things in them, and it was always with the tree 237 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,000 in the background. So now if you look to the right of the photo, 238 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,519 you can see part of the tree. Now this area is Native American 239 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:34,839 land, So this tree is an oak tree. And I don't know if 240 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:38,400 they sent you a picture of what the tree looks like, but it's an 241 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:44,559 oak tree. It doesn't have one trunk, it has three trunks. It 242 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:52,200 looks like a tried it. And they believe that these trees were manipulated when 243 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,599 they were saplings by the Native Americans as sort of a road marker. So 244 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,440 if they're you know, canoeing down this one river, if they see the 245 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:03,599 Signal Tree, they knew that's where they get out borders of their canoes to 246 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,599 the next river. So anyways, this is you know, I don't know 247 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,200 what this is. None of us smoke, and if anybody did smoke, 248 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:18,319 you wouldn't be allowed to smoke during an investigation. So that's just one of 249 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:26,759 these weird photos. It was probably about sixty degrees okay, so it couldn't 250 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:33,799 have been I thought about that too, but it would be all the time, 251 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,920 almost every four It's like, okay, if every photo had that, 252 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:42,599 yeah, you know, I can assume that, then it's probably breath. 253 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,759 But now if you go to the next one, now, this one, 254 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,720 this one intrigues me. This was when Kathy and I used to belong to 255 00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:02,279 another team and they used to do sciences. So you can see that's Kathy 256 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:08,039 in the blue and I was actually doing videotaping at the time, and my 257 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:15,680 daughter was actually taking photos of the science and to the left of the photo 258 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:22,720 that's where the tree is. So if you see this white blob thing now. 259 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:30,200 At the time, Kathy, uh, she's sensitive and she got the 260 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:34,279 vision of this Native American, which she described a warrior. She could see 261 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:41,039 him clearly, and she was like, you know, if you're haunting this 262 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,559 location, if you're here, can you shove one of us and immediately I 263 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,720 went flying. But it was about this time too that this photo was captured. 264 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,759 Now, I mean this, if this was breath, this is just 265 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:03,000 too well defined. Also, profile of a face. You know, if 266 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,680 you could, you know, see up in the upper left hand corner, 267 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,960 it's almost like an eye and then it comes down to a nose and then 268 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:17,559 you can almost you know, laughlines. I'm not saying it is it's you 269 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:22,759 know, and I've taken pictures where you're blowing your breath and everything and that 270 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,720 there's there's no way that this is a breath. And yeah, it just 271 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:33,519 can't explain it. And especially with everything Kathy was experienced and what I experienced 272 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,759 at the time with me be unshoved. So this is there. Again, 273 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:44,279 I'm not saying it's paranormal. It's just it corresponds to what Katy was inconcurrent 274 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:48,440 with other things happening at the same time. Once again, that would go 275 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,720 back to cross validation type thing, right, So you know, I don't 276 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,240 know what it is. It looks like the profile of a face, possibly 277 00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:02,039 a Native American warrior. But yeah, it was just it was a crazy 278 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,079 night. I didn't want to go on this investigation, but you know, 279 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,920 I'm glad I did. Wow, that's why. And you know, looking 280 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,440 at the four people, if it were a breath, you'd be seeing it 281 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,720 around before. Right, there's nothing, there's nothing, all right, And 282 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:25,200 this is this one is like almost solid, especially the upper part. Yeah, 283 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:29,880 it's not very transparent. I mean a little maybe down toward the bottom, 284 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,720 but right it looks pretty solid. Yeah. So there again, I 285 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:40,880 think it's one thing I can't explain. I love it. Yeah, that's 286 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,480 good, you know. I will say something too about just while we're talking 287 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,640 about the outdoor photos. So and I'm going to say this that I took 288 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,359 this photo because I was on vacation with my iPhone. We were in a 289 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,720 place in Scotland that is like they call it a cave. It's not really 290 00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:59,720 a cave, but there's a stairway that you go down into the woods and 291 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:02,640 it's sort of open and there's a creak through it and it's a place where 292 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,319 they say fairies live and people will leave offering to the fairies down there. 293 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,680 And I was just taking photos around. Now, you know what a cell 294 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,480 phone, at least an iPhone, I don't know that you can take an 295 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:19,240 upside down photo because as soon as you turn the photo like this right back 296 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:25,680 up. So I was taking photos around and when I looked at them, 297 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,640 there was one that was completely upside down. And I don't know why. 298 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,160 I'm not saying it was paranormal. I think it could have been some issue 299 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,440 with the iPhone. All the photos were there and then there was one that 300 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,720 was upside down, and I thought that was unusual. I don't know what 301 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:48,160 it was. Yeah, it was, as a matter of fact, because 302 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,720 I've got the same picture well you know, just about I mean, maybe 303 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,039 a little bit over a little bit, but same one, completely completely right, 304 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:59,400 and I was gonna put it on this And the reason I didn't was 305 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,839 because in order to fit it, I would have had to shrunk it down. 306 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,200 It kept wanting to go sideways, and it was like, I don't 307 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,920 mess around with it. But it was just interesting that it would do that. 308 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,240 I still don't know. I've never been able to create another upside down 309 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:17,119 photo with my iPhone. I can't do it. I've never had it happen. 310 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,960 No, I've never been able to do it. I've had iPhone androids 311 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,799 and I've never had that happen. No, it's got that eeos location or 312 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:27,880 whatever you want to call it. Not that I don't know what it is, 313 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,720 but it just constantly holds it upright. Mm hmm. It's sort of 314 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,759 sort of fascinating. I have no idea. Let's see what else we have. 315 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:41,960 Okay, is that the same night? Yeah, that's the same same 316 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:48,039 night. And then the tree is to the right, just beyond where this 317 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:53,000 is at. Now this is one of those ones where it could just be 318 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:59,519 parandolia. Yeah, but I see a face too. Yeah. Yeah, 319 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,680 a lot of people either see the face of a bear or a wolf. 320 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:11,039 I could see. I'm leaning more towards like bear me. But then again, 321 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:15,720 you know, I have visual issues, so yeah, that's wild. 322 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,599 I mean, it's just an unusual photo. But there again, why is 323 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:26,200 that there? Why is that that missed? There? Could you'll see any 324 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,400 of this with the naked eye or only only on camera? Okay? Yeah? 325 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,480 Interesting too is that you're not picking it up, you know, with 326 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,759 your with your if it were breath or if it were you know, yeah, 327 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,920 eye, you'd know it was there and really get a sense of how 328 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:45,079 large it is either you know, is this is it small and right up 329 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,559 to the camera, or is it large and further you know, you just 330 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:57,160 don't get a sense of right right exactly exactly, Albert Einstein, take you 331 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:03,519 anywhere, must here. I don't see a bear or a wolf, I 332 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,920 see, like Einstein, I don't know. Yeah, you see the two 333 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,960 dark things ab at the top looks like an eye in between them as a 334 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,160 snout, and then you can see like two nosterls. Yeah, I see 335 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:21,720 it. Yeah there again more than like this is probably just paradolia, but 336 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,559 it is unusual that that even showed up in the photograph. Yeah. Problem 337 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,079 is, once you see it, it's hard to undersee it, right exactly. 338 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:34,200 Yeah, let's see what else? Okay, all right, this one, 339 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:44,400 this was one of the craziest private homes we ever investigated. H there 340 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,599 was something about this home I did not like. I wanted to run out 341 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,039 of the house screaming. Uh. The atmosphere was just so thick there. 342 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:59,920 I did not like it. Now, this was at the beginning there again, 343 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,680 before our investigation. We go around and I take photos of the whole 344 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:10,039 location. And this is one of the areas where they would see shadows and 345 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,960 shadow figures down in the basement. So I took a photo and you see 346 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:22,680 that really really dark area on the lower left. M Yes, I'm like, 347 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,839 what the hell is that? That shouldn't be there? There's nothing there 348 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,200 that that would cause that. So then I spent like the next half hour, 349 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:34,519 you know, trying to recreate it and you know, debunk it. 350 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,200 I could not. I think I sent sent you some photos of me trying 351 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:48,279 to debunk it. So if you can go to and we'll look how defined 352 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:55,519 it is too. I mean it's like a straight line. Uh, just 353 00:28:55,559 --> 00:29:00,559 a lot on that first Do you have a sense of you know, because 354 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,000 we see the darkness, we see the darkness here we start in the other 355 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:07,920 photo and you have a feeling in this house that you didn't like. Do 356 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:14,079 you think the darkness is indicative of the type of energy that might be there? 357 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,039 If it's paranormal, you think that's just how they present thomselves. No, 358 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:22,039 because we figured out what was going on in this house. Oh okay, 359 00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:26,920 so in fact, let's do the photos and then I'll tell you about 360 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:33,359 So there it is. That's the photo afterwards, So it's gone. So 361 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,720 what was it? Where did it go? So then I tried to recreate 362 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:41,960 it that I send you the two other photos along with this. So there's 363 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:49,079 me that's with my finger in front of the flash. Okay, where's your 364 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:53,039 finger in front of the front, not in front of the lens, in 365 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,880 front of the fight. Well, the next picture is in front of the 366 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,799 lens. So I did this, and yeah, that's my to debunk, 367 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,000 to debunk. So the first one was the flash, this one was the 368 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:07,440 lens. I spent, like I said, at least a half hour trying 369 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,920 to debunk it and recreate it. And I couldn't. I love that you 370 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,440 took pictures like that to show what you were trying to do. See, 371 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,599 this is people to do. Yeah, I'm skeptical of everything, even something 372 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:30,400 I I'm like, you know, it's not But anyways, we actually had 373 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:36,640 this other piece of evidence that for me, it's the most amazing piece of 374 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,880 evidence I've ever captured. It was up in the little girls room. It 375 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:48,000 was that actually a video and we've got a couple of investigators out there and 376 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,240 they hear something fall in the room and you know, like, can you 377 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,960 do it again? Blah blah blah, can you show yourself? And then 378 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:02,279 one of them gets like poked from the back and then they get up and 379 00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:08,200 they're trying to figure out what fell. And as they're talking them on themselves. 380 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,240 You can hear this, what sounds like an elderly gentleman just say how's 381 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:17,319 it going? Just like that. It's really loud and clear. It wasn't 382 00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:25,319 your normal EVP. I mean, this voice was identifiable. Anyways, when 383 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:27,920 we did the reveal, we brought this to our client and she's, like, 384 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:32,319 my grandfather used to always say that, you know, how's it going. 385 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,559 So we brought it to her mother and her uncle, and they both 386 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:44,000 identified the voice as their deceased father. After that we knew who was there, 387 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,160 and we just told them, hey, they know you're here. You're 388 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,240 scaring the crap out of them. Please stop. This happened back in two 389 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,039 thousand and seven. They still live in the house. They haven't had a 390 00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,079 problem since, and they had a lot of activity prior to that. We 391 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:04,799 have these still friends with them and cool and yeah, that day. They 392 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,799 haven't had a problem since. So that's why I'm saying it was just My 393 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:14,200 belief is that Grandpa was watching over the family absolutely, and he was just 394 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,000 trying to make his presence known. So once he was able to do that, 395 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,720 you know, everything was fine. You know, speaking of me like 396 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,559 that, Do you remember Christine. A few weeks back, we were on 397 00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:30,640 a live show. Actually we didn't catch it. So when we record these 398 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,720 shows like today, even if it's live, it's recorded, then we send 399 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,319 it off to Spotify and you know these other places. It records each track 400 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,000 separately, So today the three of us will each have our own track. 401 00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:43,680 And I went through to clean it up and I was on Christina's track. 402 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,559 She was just getting ready to say something and his voice came on and said, 403 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:53,720 Hi, Scott, and I don't know what it is. It wasn't 404 00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:58,920 you. Clearly it was not you, and it was on your track only 405 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,279 it wasn't on mine. I have no idea. I haven't you posted it, 406 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,839 didn't you? I did post it. It's on Facebook somewhere. Yeah. 407 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,920 That one is really pretty cool. See it's it's like when you least 408 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,160 expected. It's like, you know, like most of the EVPs, the 409 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,400 good EVPs that I've captured, especially at OSR, it's you're not investigating because 410 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,799 everybody goes in there and said, hey, what's your name? Did you 411 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:25,799 die here? Blah blah blah. Just we tell people just talk amongst yourselves. 412 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,400 I mean like when this when this uh spirit goes what everyone want to 413 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,920 call it. When he said how's it going, they weren't trying to communicate 414 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,880 with them. They were trying to figure out what foul, you know. 415 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,440 So he's like, hey, I'm here, you know, you know I'm 416 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,519 here. So yeah, I've always told people that don't try so hard, 417 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,839 just you never know when they're going to chime in. I always run the 418 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,799 recorder, even on the walk through, the initial walkthrough before you set up 419 00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:02,799 equipment and you know where you're finding the hot spots and hearing what's been happening. 420 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,599 And then when you upon review, many times you'll find things on that 421 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,800 recording and you got nothing through the rest of the night. But they said 422 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,360 hello and came through right away. Yeah, so yeah, I always I'm 423 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,639 a big fan of running that recorder all the time. Yeah. Okay, 424 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,039 So I took two photos and I put them in there. I'd love you 425 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:29,239 to take a look at. The first one that I'm going to show you 426 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,519 is on a ship and it's the USS Salem in Quincy, Massachusetts. And 427 00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,840 the ship is there's a lot of evidence. They get shadow creatures, they 428 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,000 get they get footsteps, they hear voices, and you know a lot of 429 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,840 they don't use spirit boxes and a lot of that kind of thing on there. 430 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,880 Mainly there's no there's nothing. You know, you're in that steel shell, 431 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,000 so there's nothing, but they'll get rempod activity and it's very very intelligent. 432 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,880 This particular night, we were sitting in the hospital and I was sitting 433 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,559 here. In front of me was a man sitting on one of the bunks 434 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,000 to the left, and then a woman sitting in a chair ahead of us. 435 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,920 There was no way to cross behind her because there was a like a 436 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,880 wall there behind her, so if you went to the end, you had 437 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,760 to turn around and come back. And there was what used to be a 438 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,480 water bubbler up against the wall. And this is what we caught. I 439 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,239 don't know if you can see it. The woman is to the right, 440 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,239 the man is to the left, and there is this what looks like, 441 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:36,840 yeah, person walking from right to left. They blocked the bubbler, so 442 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,480 you can't see the water cooler the water bubbler. Yeah, there's a light 443 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:45,719 back there that's blocked out. Yeah. Yeah, So nobody is in between 444 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:52,199 them. There's nobody between them, and she's just sitting there and he's sitting 445 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,400 there, and I, for some reason I took a photo. I mean 446 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,760 I didn't, you know, and when I did, I caught whatever that 447 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:05,199 is crossing behind and you can't get there because there's a it's it's not a 448 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,679 solid wall, it's a plexiglass maybe you know, four or five feet high 449 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,840 wall, So you'd have to climb over the thing. Nobody's going to do 450 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,639 that. You just walk around. So do you have a before and after 451 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,280 photo? You know what I actually do. I didn't throw it on here. 452 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,639 I should have thrown it on. There is before and after photos somewhat, 453 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,280 you know what I mean. But there you can see you can see 454 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,440 what's there and what's not there, right, yeah, I mean that looks 455 00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:37,079 like somebody's standing back there. It's like somebody standing. Yeah. The next 456 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,559 one I'm going to show you is at the Conjuring House, and there's actually 457 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:43,360 three photos because I took them three in succession. For some reason, I 458 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,480 can't find the middle photo, and who knows why I couldn't find it last 459 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:49,519 night. But what you're going to see is this room. This is in 460 00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:57,800 the library and at one time this was the parents Roger and his wife. 461 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:00,960 It was their bedroom. It was one of the most haunted rooms and they 462 00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:06,519 moved them out and put them what is what was the summer kitchen because this 463 00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:10,199 room was was too much in a library. So this corner is after you 464 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,960 walk in. It's on the right, and you can sort of slightly see 465 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:21,519 there's a little darkness in the corner. And I took three photos in success 466 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,920 in succession, there's this one, then another one, and then a third 467 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,960 one, and I wish I had the second one, but you can see 468 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:37,119 how this shadow is just sort of developing in the second photo. It's only 469 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:43,920 it's not as heavy, and it's about halfway up the wall. Yeah, 470 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,719 like that's weird. And then and then it came up and then it was 471 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,719 gone. After that, it was like it was moving up and out. 472 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,719 And yeah, it's like that. That that is so weird. I mean, 473 00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:00,440 that's obviously it's not anybody's shadow because they're I wouldn't start with a on 474 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,920 the wall there. Yeah, that's really the angle of it is unusual. 475 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:13,960 Yeah, yeah, before and after, what's that, Christine, you're standing 476 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,480 in the same place. Yeah, we're not going anywhere cameras a little bit 477 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,239 other than that. No, it's exactly the same place. And and then 478 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,880 you can see it and then it was just gone. It just and it 479 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,400 looks like that. There's a dark shadow down to the left of the chair 480 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:38,639 too, Is that your guys shadow? It was darker down there, Yeah, 481 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,440 it is. I don't know if that's all part of it or not. 482 00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:46,679 To be honest with you, I'm sitting in a chair like across from 483 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:52,159 that, so I'm just sitting. I don't think there was anybody else. 484 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:57,039 There was another woman sitting like almost my right behind me, and she wasn't 485 00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,880 moving, So I don't think it's anybody's shadow that was in there, because 486 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:04,880 many would do you know if she was taken a photo or but it's not 487 00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,920 in the first photo, so right, right, But yeah, there's a 488 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,519 lot going on. There's a lot going on there. That place is kind 489 00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,239 of strange. I don't know, you know, again, what is it? 490 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,639 But I showed this to do you know who Rob Stakowitz is with Get 491 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,440 Haunted. I don't know if you know him, Greg or not. I 492 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,679 know he runs the it's sort of the paranormal group Get Haunted, and they 493 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:32,440 will rent out places and you can go and invest. And he and I 494 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,760 had had a chat because he was doing a lot of work at the Conjuring 495 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,000 House at one time when the former owners were there, and he said that 496 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:46,199 he had a really crazy experience in this room where he had this black shadow 497 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,480 just come up and appeer out of nowhere. And I said, Rob, 498 00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,039 I gotta show you this. So I pulled this out and I showed him 499 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,039 this photo. He says, that's it. It's in the same corner. 500 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,320 It's everything. It's like, that's the shadow. He says. It looks 501 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,440 a little bit like. The only thing different is it looks almost upside down, 502 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,639 like his look like an upside down tornado or something. You know. 503 00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,400 It was like narrow at the top and widen the moot. But he said 504 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,599 that was it. That was it, And I sped him out. So 505 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,920 yeah, so that's that's all I met. But I thought they were interesting 506 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,320 enough that I was gonna, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that one's 507 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,119 really interesting. I mean, they're both interesting, but like, what is 508 00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,440 it? You know, you know the same thing with that, what is 509 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,400 I have no idea. I have no idea. If you guys ever come 510 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:35,360 to Boston, we need to go on the ship because it's an interesting Well 511 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,719 that's funny because I were playing Kathy and I are planning on New England trip 512 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:44,679 the next fall. Oh you are, yeah, yeah, where where are 513 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,880 you thinking? Are you thinking like leaf peeping or ah? Well, I've 514 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,679 never been to New England. So I've got like a certain amount of states 515 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,199 because i want to hit all fifty of them. Uh, and I've never 516 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:02,159 been to you know, anything uh north of New York or I've never been 517 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,199 so I've never been to like Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts all the way 518 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:13,440 up. Oh yeah, Newport time yea. So we're going to plan a 519 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:21,280 road trip for this fall and so yeah, may maybe we can do something. 520 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,159 Yeah, let me know when you you know, when you come up 521 00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,400 this way, because there's plenty of places, you know, We've got the 522 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,320 S. K. Pierce Mansion. That was the one place, now you 523 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,679 know the shadow like that, We saw it with our own eyes. It 524 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:35,039 was Julie and I. We were in it was two in the afternoon, 525 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:43,639 front collar of this Victorian home and we looked up and this strange amoeba shaped 526 00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:49,199 thing that was black came across the ceiling. And it was more so it 527 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,760 wasn't like like a black smoke. It was more solid than that. But 528 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,639 it came and it went between the chandelier and the ceiling, and then it 529 00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:01,639 was it vanished there and it was gone, and if I hadn't seen it 530 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,840 with my own eyes, and that was not you know, we didn't get 531 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,480 it on camera. We only have the experience. You spend a moment trying 532 00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:13,320 to like you're like blinking, trying to adjust your eyes. Am I really 533 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,000 seeing this? And then it was gone and that was it. It was 534 00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:20,639 incredible. Yeah, a lot of stuff over there too, So yeah, 535 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,719 there's plenty of haunted places around here if you want to come out and visit. 536 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:28,960 So, yeah, you go through Boston area and visit some of the 537 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,800 stuff in Boston. You love the city too, really great place. Well 538 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,719 she's been here, right, because you were out here a couple of years 539 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:43,199 ago, right, Christina. Last year we associate twenty two, right, 540 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, twenty twenty two. You know, we said 541 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,960 I'm terrible with numbers. We went out there and spent some time. We 542 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,960 were we visited Salem. That was a lot of fun. Ye, Salem 543 00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:00,679 is fun. You mentioned earlier that you you've written two books. M hm. 544 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,800 Can you tell us a little bit more about those and where we could 545 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:10,800 find them. Yeah, of the prior to you know me and working at 546 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,360 OSR and doing all that stuff. You know, Kathy and I used to 547 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,000 be on some you know, podcasts and radio shows, you know, back 548 00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,719 in the early twenty tens. And one of the questions that people used to 549 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,840 always ask me, have you ever written any books? And I'm like, 550 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,039 no, I haven't. Well, it got to the point where I had 551 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:36,000 enough material finally to write some books. So I've written two books. The 552 00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:40,480 first one is Insights into the Unknown, A ghost Hunter's Journey. Second one 553 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:45,280 is Roads into the Unknown, A ghost hunter Journey Continues, And they're both 554 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:52,000 all of my investigations, personal experiences, all the locations that we've been to. 555 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:57,800 And I didn't write it to make money or anything like that. I 556 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,119 did it to satisfy me. I mean, I've always wanted to write a 557 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:06,480 book, and this is something that I wanted to do, so but that's 558 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,800 what I base my talks on. Are these two books. The one presentation 559 00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:16,519 I do, and they can be purchased on Amazon. Alls you have to 560 00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:21,400 do is just put my name into the search in both books, so we'll 561 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,400 come up and I do sell them at events and they actually sell them in 562 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,719 the museum store at your house date Reformatory. So it was just something cool 563 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,480 that I've always wanted to do. So well, that's great though, I 564 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:38,320 mean I think you know you did it. You know, I've got one 565 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,880 that's hopefully it will be out in twenty twenty four. But it's the same 566 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,960 thing, you know what I mean. You have experiences, you have a 567 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,880 journey you're on, and you want to be able to share it with people, 568 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,559 and right, it's for your own benefit, you know. Yep, 569 00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:55,280 that's that's why I wrote them. And I'm starting a third, third book 570 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,360 now, so just to find the time. Oh yeah, it's gonna be 571 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,679 about the House their Reformatory. It's gonna be about the House Stair Reformatory because 572 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,679 I've got so many experiences there and everything. I got enough there for a 573 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,119 book now, so I can imagine. I mean, you know, I've 574 00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:19,960 never been there when there weren't tons of other people. But I'll be honest, 575 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,639 I don't. I didn't really feel anything negative there or anything that frightened 576 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:30,840 me. Some heaviness and some sadness. I've picked up one and I'm not 577 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,199 psychic, you know, but you can feel energy, right, Oh yeah, 578 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,960 what about you? What's your experience is there. You know, a 579 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,519 lot of the building you do get that energy. Uh. There is one 580 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:50,360 area that if I am by myself, I don't like it, and sometimes 581 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,800 if I can, I'll try to avoid it. And that's that is the 582 00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:01,400 third floor the admine. Believe it or not, even it's up on the 583 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,440 third floor. It's the main hallway. It's a tea hallway. It's right 584 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:12,280 in front of this area called the chair room. That is one area that, 585 00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,360 you know, it creeps me out a little. I'm not gonna deny 586 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,320 it. All the other areas are fine. I can go into solitary confinement 587 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,599 by myself. I can walk the cell blox by myself. But that's one 588 00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:28,679 area where it's like I'm always looking, you know, behind me, like 589 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:35,000 all right. So in fact, sometimes not often, but sometimes I am 590 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:38,559 there by myself. And after the when the guests leave, I'm the only 591 00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:43,079 one in the building and I got to go around and lock stuff up. 592 00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,159 And that's one of the areas it's like do I go out there or do 593 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,239 I not go up there? And you know, if I do go up 594 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,400 there, sometimes I'll do a Facebook live because then I am not alone. 595 00:46:55,039 --> 00:47:00,000 You always get the jokes there that is like, what was that behind you? 596 00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:07,199 Now? I know I'm going to start watching and doing that. So 597 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:13,000 yeah, it's but it's a cool location. I love it. We've had 598 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,840 a lot of experiences there. Yeah enough where I can give a tour about 599 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,639 a two hour tour and just talk all about my experiences. Just yours. 600 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:27,360 Not other people are right, but just yours. That's cool. How long 601 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,039 have you been how long have you been associated with it? Well, Kathy 602 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:36,639 and I started investigating it in two thousand and four, and then we began 603 00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:39,880 and then when I saw it for the first time, I fell in love 604 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,320 with the building. I'm like, when I retire, I want to work 605 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,280 here. And I retired in twenty and eleven, and then we started volunteering 606 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:55,159 there in twenty thirteen, and then twenty seventeen I became the lead paranormal investigator 607 00:47:55,199 --> 00:48:01,480 there, and then twenty nineteen and our team became the resident paranormal team, 608 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:09,639 and then twoenty and twenty two Kathy became the paranormal program manager there. We're 609 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:13,639 just told me about that. I was excited for. Oh yeah, it's 610 00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:15,000 a beautiful place. I see where you fell in love with it. I 611 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:22,039 just adore it. Oh yeah, it's it's like with Katy and I say, 612 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:25,519 it's our home away from home. There's a lot of people that love 613 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:30,679 it, and yeah, it's just a cool place. Curious have you ever 614 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:37,039 talked with anyone who was incarcerated there their experiences? Did they have? What? 615 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,840 Were there any paranormal experiences back then? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah 616 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,199 when it was open as a prison. Oh yeah, there were experiences. 617 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:51,599 Yeah. You know there's the ones, you know, inmates should be sleeping 618 00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,599 in their bunks or you know, laying in their bunks and they would hear 619 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,280 a guard walking by, you know what, the keys jangling, But when 620 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,280 they would look, be no guard walking by, and later on the real 621 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,639 guard would come walking by. So you know, it's just stuff like like 622 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:15,239 that. But yeah, that's there. There's a long history there. It's 623 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,840 incredible energy, a lot of energy. And you know, it's funny because 624 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,400 I tend to shut myself off when I'm in some places. People always say, 625 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,360 oh, well, what are you getting And half the time I don't 626 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,199 get anything because I'm just I'm not tuned into it, you know, I'm 627 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,760 just in another zone. But where the exhibits were, is it the North 628 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,960 cell block where Solstice Sisters was. Is that the north cell block or I 629 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,400 don't know what that was. That is the west cell block north side. 630 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,360 Okay, So if you walk down and the showers we had the speakers is 631 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,079 on the right, and you come around the corner that very next corner, 632 00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:55,599 I had the strangest I don't know, it was almost like deja vous. 633 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,880 It stopped me in my track. I stopped there and I looked around. 634 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,199 It was like I have definitely been here before. And I walked and I 635 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,840 looked at that. It was like I recognized the court. It was the 636 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,960 weirdest thing, just in that corner. And then I worked on and yeah, 637 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,639 I don't know. I mean, I don't know if it's anything, 638 00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,239 but I don't usually get dejavy. I don't get feelings like that. And 639 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,079 it was a really strange feeling, but only there. It was not another 640 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:23,599 place in that entire building where I got that sensation. Wow, directly cool. 641 00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,679 Yeah, I'm hoping in May when we when we go back, I 642 00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,000 can see a little more of it, because I really didn't. I really 643 00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:34,239 didn't. I only saw where the exhibits were and that was it, right 644 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,159 those spots. So we only have a few minutes left. Tell us are 645 00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:42,519 you where are you giving your talks? Are you do you have talks planned 646 00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:50,280 somewhere or I mostly do my talks h during the Halloween season and it's almost 647 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,079 you know, libraries and private groups and businesses in Northeast Ohio. But you 648 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:59,239 know, I wanted to, you know, spread myself out and I wanted 649 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:04,280 to get you know, some other may maybe convention, smaller, paranorm normal 650 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,920 stuff. And that's why I posted the bio about me. You know what 651 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:15,480 I've done and what I do. What's the best way for people interested in 652 00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:20,719 getting you to their event? How do they best reach you? They can 653 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:27,960 reach me on Facebook or they can send me an email and that's G. 654 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:34,199 E. Faketich at gmail dot com. I actually have my own personal website 655 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,880 too. Uh. All as you got to do is put in the search 656 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:42,119 me on the Internet and that'll be one of the first ones that come up. 657 00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:45,760 I think it's like wix, greg Faketik, author dot or something like 658 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:52,239 that. It's really long. And of course if they want to, you 659 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,360 know, come see the Ohio State Reformatory, they can do that as well. 660 00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:58,280 There's a site for that that they have their own site Ohio State. 661 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:05,039 Right, it's m R dot org m R. Or they could come to 662 00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:10,599 the paraschon Icon, Yes, and they should. Yeah, that's just pairpsychon 663 00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:16,960 dot com and it's p A R A p S Y like psychiatrists or psychic 664 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,719 p S Y c O N Yes dot com. Definitely worth it. A 665 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,440 lot of good vendors. I mean, you get all the celebrities that show 666 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:30,960 up, you know, and it's a wonderful event. Really, it's fun. 667 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:34,440 I mean, we we like it and you know, we hope that 668 00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:38,079 everybody else enjoys it when day they come out. You know, we do 669 00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:42,760 it for the building, we do it for for the guests, and you 670 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,519 know, all the money there that we do make on the event, we 671 00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:50,559 just donate it back to the reformatory. So Kathy and I are the organizers. 672 00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:55,599 We we don't take any money from any of the profits. And we 673 00:52:55,679 --> 00:53:00,679 actually do a pet supply drive and a food drive. That's awesome. A 674 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,559 lot of it given back to the community, right, I think it's great. 675 00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:07,880 And you know when you think about how that, you know could have 676 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,920 been raised a lot of like a lot of these paranormal places, you know, 677 00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:16,320 they could just end up leveled with an apartment complex there right exactly, 678 00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:22,400 So it's great. Yeah, Greg, thank you so much for being here 679 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,159 with us. Really is a pleasure to have you on again. And I 680 00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:28,840 know you were on last year talking about parapsychon and you're going to be back 681 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,119 talking about parapsychon because we just love it so but I appreciate you coming on 682 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,400 and sharing this with us and going through that evidence that was really fascinating and 683 00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:42,679 glad you guys had me on. It was fun. It's it's a real 684 00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:46,079 pleasure and we will be back. Why would you folks next week, I 685 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:50,760 promise, and we'll have another one of our live shows. I hope you 686 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,760 enjoyed. Everyone, have a great week and we'll see you next time right 687 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:59,960 here on the Paranormal Project. Have a great day, everybody. You've been 688 00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:12,519 listening to The Paranormal Project radio show with Scott Allen and Christina Bowet, be 689 00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:15,119 sure to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode. While you're there, 690 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:20,199 leave us a rating and review. We'll be back next week with more exciting 691 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,599 guests. Now, go out there and explore the Paranormal