The Paranormal Project Radio show. Carry your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen.
Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Paranormal Projec Radio show. I am
your host Scott Allen and my lovely co host Christina Bowen. How are you,
my friend? Great? How are you? I'm good? I'm good.
So, just just to be fair, this performance or this performance,
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different places. So I want to have a few shows that we could put
out there that were fresh and new while we're actually on the road and not
able to be here in person. And this is one of those shows.
So comments are disabled for tonight, but thank you for watching. You were
gonna love this, you know, Christina, we've all seen that person.
We've all had that experience where someone will post a photo on Facebook or some
forum and we look at it and we say to ourselves, I don't see
it. All these people are commenting, there's faces in the trees, there's
faces in the windows, there's or orbs, orbs everywhere. So tonight we
are going to be talking with Greg and he is one of the things he
does, he talks about these things that not everything is paranormal, and it's
not. It's not paranormal. And he brought some evidence out, So we're
gonna get a chance to look at that together with him and actually put on
my own in there too. I wanted to take a look at but we're
going to talk about this, so I'm going to bring him out. Gregge,
Nice to see you, Welcome back to the show. How are you
good? Hi? How you guys doing great? Great? Thanks for joining
us. Oh sure, my pleasure. Yeah. And actually, you know
it's sunny here. Are you getting okay? Whether where you are? Greg?
Right now? I know it's knowing it's it's it's fifteen degrees here now,
so we have a heat wave. So but we live like on the
west side of I'm in northeast Ohio. We live on the west side of
the Cleveland area where we don't get as much snow as the east side does.
So I mean we just got a little sprinkling, So it's not bad.
We stay in. You know, if you live in the if you
live in the South, when it's hot, you stay in. Want it's
here. When it's cold, you stay in. So exactly, Yeah,
I hybernight, hibernate here from you know, December through May because it's just
cool, you know. But actually it's bad here today. The sun is
shining, is probably high thirties, almost forty, which is a lot better
than a lot of the country. I heard Wyoming was negative forty this morning.
Yeah, wow, oh my god, we've got like two degrees coming
tonight. And I was getting worried about that. But no, negative forty
never crazy, it's rough. So, Greg, you've been doing this for
a while, the whole paranormal thing evidence, and you're very involved with the
Ohio State Reformatory and the parapsychon and and so you've been around a few haunted
locations and I know you've seen it. You've seen it too, and not
everything is paranormal, right, tell us what's your thought on orbs. Let's
go straight into it. Yeah, yeah, let's just go straight into it
and into it. Orbs are not paranormal unless you actually see it with your
eyes. I mean, if you see a bright ball coming down the stairway
or floating across the room, then maybe it's paranormal. But all this stuff
that people capture and photographs and videos, no, it's no, it's not
paranormal at all. In fact, I do a talk presentation of paradilia shadows
and orbs where it's like, you know, not everything's paranormal, and we
talked about why it's not paranormal, and I've got examples and that I show
people, and so it's you know, is you know we see faces and
everything. We just do that. You know, it's like the hidden mickeys,
three dots exactly, the clouds and everywhere, right, yeah, yeah,
that's oh yeah, that's prevalent in uh online, it's real prevalent.
And I use a lot of examples too in my talks. Some that are
just like fun, you know, you get something that looks like a face.
But then I've got some where people are like, this is paranormal.
Look at that face, And I'm like, why would there be a face
on your toilet bowl? You know, it's like, you know what makes
that parents? It's like, yeah, sometimes you just are just shake,
shake, your head, you know. And I'm not I mean, I'm
I'm not a skeptic of to paranormal because we all know that it is out
there and it does exist. I'm skeptic of all the experiences and evidence believe
they have or get yes right right, because it's it's too well, you
know. I think part of the problem is the TV shows have done this.
You know, some of them are so fantastical that you know, every
year, every corner posessed and scratched. So they go out and they see
this stuff and they think, oh my god, you know, this is
crazy and it's just not and and you know, talk about orbs. I
mean, people have to you know what I should have brought. Christina and
I last year were in what's that place? We went Randolph County Asylum.
Yes, yes, and uh we went into the basement and there was this
can of I don't know if it was paint thinner or do you remember this.
It was like furniture polishes or something something like that orbes. And I
took pictures and I went look. I found it ORB all over the all
over the place. I should have had it tonight. I was going to
have your debunk it it now, it would have been awesome. But yeah,
it's with photos. Have you had anybody to submit obviously faked photos to
you? Oh? Yeah, yeah, And that's why I'm very skeptical now
when people bring me photos, you know, if they send them to me
through email or at the Ohio State Reformatory, I'm very skeptical, especially especially
with cell phones. Yes I am. I mean it's almost like I will
tell people, do not show me photos from your cell phone. Why because
they can doctor it too easily. That's one of the reasons. And they're
they're great for taking photos of aations and graduations and stuff like that, but
trying to take photos in a dark location when you're using the flash, it's
it's not the greatest piece of photographic equipment to use, right right, right,
yeah, yeah, In fact that I don't miss slash much. But
you can adjust the you can adjust the the exposure on it, so a
lot of times, you know, if you put it on a tripod or
something, you can take a photo and as long as it's not moving and
there's a little bit of light in the room somewhere, it'll take a decent
photo. Right, But it's don't come to me with a cell phone photo.
It's because it's just too odd. They're just too easy to manipulate too.
And they have apps now that are for entertainment that will overlap and you
can adjust transparency or you'll put a most Civil War soldier or exactly Victorian woman
in your image, move it around, and it's just the transparency. I've
had people submit photos like that for me too, and I'm like, seriously,
and I just sent them a screenshot of the app and then they go
away. Yeah, I mean, and it's we've always encountered that. Ever
since the spiritual movement started. There's always been tricksters and fraud and fakes.
I mean, ever since the Fox Sisters in the eighteen forty eight. It's
they were actually hoaxing everything. And spirit photography, you know, that was
the same, the same thing. They were just overlapping all the different It
was a photography technique, is all it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And it's a lot a lot of people believed that. A lot of
people believed it back then, just like a lot of people believe it now
because of all the TV shows. It's true, it's not as prevalent as
these shows would make you believe. I mean it's there, it's there.
We all get stuff, we get recorded, we get you know, things
catch things we experience that you can't prove because it was just a personal experience.
But it's not it's not like you see right on TV. Just not.
No. In fact, we were at that you know, talking about
Randolph County Asylum. I mean there was stuff there, but we debunked a
lot of it. You know, there were noises and things that were creepy,
and we figured it out. This is not now. I've been at
that location several times and I've had experiences, but a great deal can be
debunked, and that it's just being a good investigator. Seriously rule out all
other possibilities. First you agree, oh yeah, and you know I'm believing
paranel investigator at the Hell State Reformatory. So I basically run all the private
hunts. Actually, my wife Kathy, you know, she does all the
private hunts, but I'm the one who actual works them. And I have
a lot a lot of guests that will bring video to me or photos or
whatever. And I'm like, did you try to debunk it? Well,
no, it's look at look it. I'm like, let's go and you
know, numerous times we were able to figure it out. Or I tell
somebody to go back out and see if that. You know, this is
what you need to do to check it, and it's like they don't come
back and say, no, we didn't work, you know. So I'm
like, okay, it's the bunk. Yes, so, and or they
have one photo and you don't know where it was a minute, you know,
a second before and the second afterwards. They just take one photo and
look what right, And I see I can't bite my tongue, you know,
especially there. I'm just like, all right, so let me tell
you what's going on here. And uh, you know, some of them
get bummed out. Some of them are like, oh okay, and some
of them are like, I don't care what you say. You're not going
to convince them. No, no, you're not ok ahead. I was
gonna see that. And you're at the whole Ohio State Reformatory. The place
has yeah, you know, there are things that happen. There's oh yeah,
it's just not everything right right. And I always well, but I
do my and I'm not a big paranormal equipment fan. I like my senses
and or I like to have a video camera or an audio recorder just in
case something does happen where you can capture it, because I like, you
know, site, sound, touch, smell, stuff like that. And
that's why I tell people too, it's like, you know, don't rely
on your equipment, rely on on your senses. And it is cross validation,
right, it's not the end all be all right, right, So
people rely too much on the equipment too. It's like, might give rid
of it, walk around the present, feel it, sip, listen.
Don't try so hard either, you know, because it'll come to you.
I think people try so hard to experience the paranormal that any little thing they
hear or see it's automatically paranormal. In the announce in the walls exactly it
could be. And that greed factor, you know, if they're if they're
not used to this and they're creeped out. You know, you hear in
the wall, like you say, a mouse or something, you're going to
think, oh my god, there's something here, right, yeah, you
know, so you go, you do. You give talks on this,
right, you give talks on on this sort of thing, which is how
I knew you did it. By the way I saw your saw your post,
which I thought on the show and talk about this, Oh, thank
you. Yeah, I do. I do several different talks. I do
one just based off my two books that I've written. Oh, and I
do one about the House State Reformatory. I do one about hot locations that
we've been to. And I also do the paradolia shadows and orbs and why
not everything is paranal. And we're going to get to look at some stuff
that you gave us. You gave us some photos that we're going to you
know, at some point during the show, we're going to put those up
on the screen and we'll look at them and see. You know, I
don't know. I mean, I really didn't look at them that closely,
so I don't know if we're talking that they're all fake or they're real or
I don't know because I haven't really paid much attention to it. And then
I threw a couple of myself. Okay, yeah, And when when you
put them up there, I'll talk about about them, and you know,
see why I tell you why I couldn't debunk them, Well, you couldn't
debunk them. Let's take a pea. Let's see which one you put up
first? Let's see, so we've got this, okay, yeah, that
was This was a private resonance that we did in Brexshfall, Ohio. Now
that area they had a lot of stuff going on there that if you see
that that door, that door would the door and I would rattle and shake
on its own. They would see they would actually see shadow figures in that
hallway there. And one evening, the homeowner calls me and he's all frantic
and he's like, we saw the shadow figure again in that hallway and our
dog actually started attacking it, just snapping at the air. Wow. So
they were freaked out. So this was at the beginning of our investigation where
we're taking readings and photographs. We always photographed the hold location, so we
have base photographs and a couple of our team members that they were in there
and they took this photo and they noticed that dark shadow blob thing like up
toward the ceiling. And now I'm looking at it. I don't you know,
I don't know that that's something else or not, you know, to
tell you know, that's just where this is from the window. But there
should be a second photo that goes along with that and you can see that
shadow is moving down. Yeah, that's so they didn't see the shadow at
the time. This was you know, the nice thing about digital cameras,
You get to see everything right then. And then they took a third photo
and it was gone. When they spent the whole night trying to debunk these
photos. And that's about our team too. It's like, you know,
that's not paranormal. I'm not saying as paranormal. We just couldn't debunk it
in our response to what they were experiencing the dark shadows in that area,
right, So you know, I would never say anything is paranormal because I
don't know, you know, all I can you just can rule out and
say what's not paranormal? Right exactly. I mean trying to debunk it all
night. They were so taken by these photographs that they're like, we got
to figure this out because that's not not right, and especially since it's moving
so and you know, just like you take photos right after you know one
another in case you get something exactly, I always say take three yep.
Yeah. So and they they did that. They took more, and they
took them all night and they could not get this shadow back in that area.
So now do you did? I send you the third photo to let
me see, Yeah, and it's coming completely gone. Yeah, so you
know they're good. It corresponds to what our client was experiencing in the general
same area. So it's just one of those things where we try to debunk
it we couldn't. Yeah, and it's a good yeah, very interesting.
But I like that you have the three photos and I think that's how you
know photo and say, look at the shadow, but that could be anything,
you know, right, And and all of our photographs are not taken
by cell phones. These are taken by you know, inexpensive expensive digital cameras.
You know. It just depends on what each investigator Gator has. But
when we do private residents always tell our investigators do not use cell phones.
So and this was there's still a light out too, so it's not like
there's still this was still daylight. Yeah yeah, yeah, I was wondering
then, right, So many people just don't seem to understand that places are
just as haunted during the day as they are at night, right, right,
Oh, definitely, yeah, it's true. Okay, let's see what's
the next one. Okay, we have this. So now this one,
this was an outdoor location. This is a location near Akron, Ohio called
Signal Tree, Okay, And I don't realize like outdoor locations because you know,
you've there's so many things that could interfere, especially with photographs, bugs
and stuff like like that. But I think this night, what took like
over one hundred photographs in this area and there was only I believe five of
them that had weird things in them, and it was always with the tree
in the background. So now if you look to the right of the photo,
you can see part of the tree. Now this area is Native American
land, So this tree is an oak tree. And I don't know if
they sent you a picture of what the tree looks like, but it's an
oak tree. It doesn't have one trunk, it has three trunks. It
looks like a tried it. And they believe that these trees were manipulated when
they were saplings by the Native Americans as sort of a road marker. So
if they're you know, canoeing down this one river, if they see the
Signal Tree, they knew that's where they get out borders of their canoes to
the next river. So anyways, this is you know, I don't know
what this is. None of us smoke, and if anybody did smoke,
you wouldn't be allowed to smoke during an investigation. So that's just one of
these weird photos. It was probably about sixty degrees okay, so it couldn't
have been I thought about that too, but it would be all the time,
almost every four It's like, okay, if every photo had that,
yeah, you know, I can assume that, then it's probably breath.
But now if you go to the next one, now, this one,
this one intrigues me. This was when Kathy and I used to belong to
another team and they used to do sciences. So you can see that's Kathy
in the blue and I was actually doing videotaping at the time, and my
daughter was actually taking photos of the science and to the left of the photo
that's where the tree is. So if you see this white blob thing now.
At the time, Kathy, uh, she's sensitive and she got the
vision of this Native American, which she described a warrior. She could see
him clearly, and she was like, you know, if you're haunting this
location, if you're here, can you shove one of us and immediately I
went flying. But it was about this time too that this photo was captured.
Now, I mean this, if this was breath, this is just
too well defined. Also, profile of a face. You know, if
you could, you know, see up in the upper left hand corner,
it's almost like an eye and then it comes down to a nose and then
you can almost you know, laughlines. I'm not saying it is it's you
know, and I've taken pictures where you're blowing your breath and everything and that
there's there's no way that this is a breath. And yeah, it just
can't explain it. And especially with everything Kathy was experienced and what I experienced
at the time with me be unshoved. So this is there. Again,
I'm not saying it's paranormal. It's just it corresponds to what Katy was inconcurrent
with other things happening at the same time. Once again, that would go
back to cross validation type thing, right, So you know, I don't
know what it is. It looks like the profile of a face, possibly
a Native American warrior. But yeah, it was just it was a crazy
night. I didn't want to go on this investigation, but you know,
I'm glad I did. Wow, that's why. And you know, looking
at the four people, if it were a breath, you'd be seeing it
around before. Right, there's nothing, there's nothing, all right, And
this is this one is like almost solid, especially the upper part. Yeah,
it's not very transparent. I mean a little maybe down toward the bottom,
but right it looks pretty solid. Yeah. So there again, I
think it's one thing I can't explain. I love it. Yeah, that's
good, you know. I will say something too about just while we're talking
about the outdoor photos. So and I'm going to say this that I took
this photo because I was on vacation with my iPhone. We were in a
place in Scotland that is like they call it a cave. It's not really
a cave, but there's a stairway that you go down into the woods and
it's sort of open and there's a creak through it and it's a place where
they say fairies live and people will leave offering to the fairies down there.
And I was just taking photos around. Now, you know what a cell
phone, at least an iPhone, I don't know that you can take an
upside down photo because as soon as you turn the photo like this right back
up. So I was taking photos around and when I looked at them,
there was one that was completely upside down. And I don't know why.
I'm not saying it was paranormal. I think it could have been some issue
with the iPhone. All the photos were there and then there was one that
was upside down, and I thought that was unusual. I don't know what
it was. Yeah, it was, as a matter of fact, because
I've got the same picture well you know, just about I mean, maybe
a little bit over a little bit, but same one, completely completely right,
and I was gonna put it on this And the reason I didn't was
because in order to fit it, I would have had to shrunk it down.
It kept wanting to go sideways, and it was like, I don't
mess around with it. But it was just interesting that it would do that.
I still don't know. I've never been able to create another upside down
photo with my iPhone. I can't do it. I've never had it happen.
No, I've never been able to do it. I've had iPhone androids
and I've never had that happen. No, it's got that eeos location or
whatever you want to call it. Not that I don't know what it is,
but it just constantly holds it upright. Mm hmm. It's sort of
sort of fascinating. I have no idea. Let's see what else we have.
Okay, is that the same night? Yeah, that's the same same
night. And then the tree is to the right, just beyond where this
is at. Now this is one of those ones where it could just be
parandolia. Yeah, but I see a face too. Yeah. Yeah,
a lot of people either see the face of a bear or a wolf.
I could see. I'm leaning more towards like bear me. But then again,
you know, I have visual issues, so yeah, that's wild.
I mean, it's just an unusual photo. But there again, why is
that there? Why is that that missed? There? Could you'll see any
of this with the naked eye or only only on camera? Okay? Yeah?
Interesting too is that you're not picking it up, you know, with
your with your if it were breath or if it were you know, yeah,
eye, you'd know it was there and really get a sense of how
large it is either you know, is this is it small and right up
to the camera, or is it large and further you know, you just
don't get a sense of right right exactly exactly, Albert Einstein, take you
anywhere, must here. I don't see a bear or a wolf, I
see, like Einstein, I don't know. Yeah, you see the two
dark things ab at the top looks like an eye in between them as a
snout, and then you can see like two nosterls. Yeah, I see
it. Yeah there again more than like this is probably just paradolia, but
it is unusual that that even showed up in the photograph. Yeah. Problem
is, once you see it, it's hard to undersee it, right exactly.
Yeah, let's see what else? Okay, all right, this one,
this was one of the craziest private homes we ever investigated. H there
was something about this home I did not like. I wanted to run out
of the house screaming. Uh. The atmosphere was just so thick there.
I did not like it. Now, this was at the beginning there again,
before our investigation. We go around and I take photos of the whole
location. And this is one of the areas where they would see shadows and
shadow figures down in the basement. So I took a photo and you see
that really really dark area on the lower left. M Yes, I'm like,
what the hell is that? That shouldn't be there? There's nothing there
that that would cause that. So then I spent like the next half hour,
you know, trying to recreate it and you know, debunk it.
I could not. I think I sent sent you some photos of me trying
to debunk it. So if you can go to and we'll look how defined
it is too. I mean it's like a straight line. Uh, just
a lot on that first Do you have a sense of you know, because
we see the darkness, we see the darkness here we start in the other
photo and you have a feeling in this house that you didn't like. Do
you think the darkness is indicative of the type of energy that might be there?
If it's paranormal, you think that's just how they present thomselves. No,
because we figured out what was going on in this house. Oh okay,
so in fact, let's do the photos and then I'll tell you about
So there it is. That's the photo afterwards, So it's gone. So
what was it? Where did it go? So then I tried to recreate
it that I send you the two other photos along with this. So there's
me that's with my finger in front of the flash. Okay, where's your
finger in front of the front, not in front of the lens, in
front of the fight. Well, the next picture is in front of the
lens. So I did this, and yeah, that's my to debunk,
to debunk. So the first one was the flash, this one was the
lens. I spent, like I said, at least a half hour trying
to debunk it and recreate it. And I couldn't. I love that you
took pictures like that to show what you were trying to do. See,
this is people to do. Yeah, I'm skeptical of everything, even something
I I'm like, you know, it's not But anyways, we actually had
this other piece of evidence that for me, it's the most amazing piece of
evidence I've ever captured. It was up in the little girls room. It
was that actually a video and we've got a couple of investigators out there and
they hear something fall in the room and you know, like, can you
do it again? Blah blah blah, can you show yourself? And then
one of them gets like poked from the back and then they get up and
they're trying to figure out what fell. And as they're talking them on themselves.
You can hear this, what sounds like an elderly gentleman just say how's
it going? Just like that. It's really loud and clear. It wasn't
your normal EVP. I mean, this voice was identifiable. Anyways, when
we did the reveal, we brought this to our client and she's, like,
my grandfather used to always say that, you know, how's it going.
So we brought it to her mother and her uncle, and they both
identified the voice as their deceased father. After that we knew who was there,
and we just told them, hey, they know you're here. You're
scaring the crap out of them. Please stop. This happened back in two
thousand and seven. They still live in the house. They haven't had a
problem since, and they had a lot of activity prior to that. We
have these still friends with them and cool and yeah, that day. They
haven't had a problem since. So that's why I'm saying it was just My
belief is that Grandpa was watching over the family absolutely, and he was just
trying to make his presence known. So once he was able to do that,
you know, everything was fine. You know, speaking of me like
that, Do you remember Christine. A few weeks back, we were on
a live show. Actually we didn't catch it. So when we record these
shows like today, even if it's live, it's recorded, then we send
it off to Spotify and you know these other places. It records each track
separately, So today the three of us will each have our own track.
And I went through to clean it up and I was on Christina's track.
She was just getting ready to say something and his voice came on and said,
Hi, Scott, and I don't know what it is. It wasn't
you. Clearly it was not you, and it was on your track only
it wasn't on mine. I have no idea. I haven't you posted it,
didn't you? I did post it. It's on Facebook somewhere. Yeah.
That one is really pretty cool. See it's it's like when you least
expected. It's like, you know, like most of the EVPs, the
good EVPs that I've captured, especially at OSR, it's you're not investigating because
everybody goes in there and said, hey, what's your name? Did you
die here? Blah blah blah. Just we tell people just talk amongst yourselves.
I mean like when this when this uh spirit goes what everyone want to
call it. When he said how's it going, they weren't trying to communicate
with them. They were trying to figure out what foul, you know.
So he's like, hey, I'm here, you know, you know I'm
here. So yeah, I've always told people that don't try so hard,
just you never know when they're going to chime in. I always run the
recorder, even on the walk through, the initial walkthrough before you set up
equipment and you know where you're finding the hot spots and hearing what's been happening.
And then when you upon review, many times you'll find things on that
recording and you got nothing through the rest of the night. But they said
hello and came through right away. Yeah, so yeah, I always I'm
a big fan of running that recorder all the time. Yeah. Okay,
So I took two photos and I put them in there. I'd love you
to take a look at. The first one that I'm going to show you
is on a ship and it's the USS Salem in Quincy, Massachusetts. And
the ship is there's a lot of evidence. They get shadow creatures, they
get they get footsteps, they hear voices, and you know a lot of
they don't use spirit boxes and a lot of that kind of thing on there.
Mainly there's no there's nothing. You know, you're in that steel shell,
so there's nothing, but they'll get rempod activity and it's very very intelligent.
This particular night, we were sitting in the hospital and I was sitting
here. In front of me was a man sitting on one of the bunks
to the left, and then a woman sitting in a chair ahead of us.
There was no way to cross behind her because there was a like a
wall there behind her, so if you went to the end, you had
to turn around and come back. And there was what used to be a
water bubbler up against the wall. And this is what we caught. I
don't know if you can see it. The woman is to the right,
the man is to the left, and there is this what looks like,
yeah, person walking from right to left. They blocked the bubbler, so
you can't see the water cooler the water bubbler. Yeah, there's a light
back there that's blocked out. Yeah. Yeah, So nobody is in between
them. There's nobody between them, and she's just sitting there and he's sitting
there, and I, for some reason I took a photo. I mean
I didn't, you know, and when I did, I caught whatever that
is crossing behind and you can't get there because there's a it's it's not a
solid wall, it's a plexiglass maybe you know, four or five feet high
wall, So you'd have to climb over the thing. Nobody's going to do
that. You just walk around. So do you have a before and after
photo? You know what I actually do. I didn't throw it on here.
I should have thrown it on. There is before and after photos somewhat,
you know what I mean. But there you can see you can see
what's there and what's not there, right, yeah, I mean that looks
like somebody's standing back there. It's like somebody standing. Yeah. The next
one I'm going to show you is at the Conjuring House, and there's actually
three photos because I took them three in succession. For some reason, I
can't find the middle photo, and who knows why I couldn't find it last
night. But what you're going to see is this room. This is in
the library and at one time this was the parents Roger and his wife.
It was their bedroom. It was one of the most haunted rooms and they
moved them out and put them what is what was the summer kitchen because this
room was was too much in a library. So this corner is after you
walk in. It's on the right, and you can sort of slightly see
there's a little darkness in the corner. And I took three photos in success
in succession, there's this one, then another one, and then a third
one, and I wish I had the second one, but you can see
how this shadow is just sort of developing in the second photo. It's only
it's not as heavy, and it's about halfway up the wall. Yeah,
like that's weird. And then and then it came up and then it was
gone. After that, it was like it was moving up and out.
And yeah, it's like that. That that is so weird. I mean,
that's obviously it's not anybody's shadow because they're I wouldn't start with a on
the wall there. Yeah, that's really the angle of it is unusual.
Yeah, yeah, before and after, what's that, Christine, you're standing
in the same place. Yeah, we're not going anywhere cameras a little bit
other than that. No, it's exactly the same place. And and then
you can see it and then it was just gone. It just and it
looks like that. There's a dark shadow down to the left of the chair
too, Is that your guys shadow? It was darker down there, Yeah,
it is. I don't know if that's all part of it or not.
To be honest with you, I'm sitting in a chair like across from
that, so I'm just sitting. I don't think there was anybody else.
There was another woman sitting like almost my right behind me, and she wasn't
moving, So I don't think it's anybody's shadow that was in there, because
many would do you know if she was taken a photo or but it's not
in the first photo, so right, right, But yeah, there's a
lot going on. There's a lot going on there. That place is kind
of strange. I don't know, you know, again, what is it?
But I showed this to do you know who Rob Stakowitz is with Get
Haunted. I don't know if you know him, Greg or not. I
know he runs the it's sort of the paranormal group Get Haunted, and they
will rent out places and you can go and invest. And he and I
had had a chat because he was doing a lot of work at the Conjuring
House at one time when the former owners were there, and he said that
he had a really crazy experience in this room where he had this black shadow
just come up and appeer out of nowhere. And I said, Rob,
I gotta show you this. So I pulled this out and I showed him
this photo. He says, that's it. It's in the same corner.
It's everything. It's like, that's the shadow. He says. It looks
a little bit like. The only thing different is it looks almost upside down,
like his look like an upside down tornado or something. You know.
It was like narrow at the top and widen the moot. But he said
that was it. That was it, And I sped him out. So
yeah, so that's that's all I met. But I thought they were interesting
enough that I was gonna, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that one's
really interesting. I mean, they're both interesting, but like, what is
it? You know, you know the same thing with that, what is
I have no idea. I have no idea. If you guys ever come
to Boston, we need to go on the ship because it's an interesting Well
that's funny because I were playing Kathy and I are planning on New England trip
the next fall. Oh you are, yeah, yeah, where where are
you thinking? Are you thinking like leaf peeping or ah? Well, I've
never been to New England. So I've got like a certain amount of states
because i want to hit all fifty of them. Uh, and I've never
been to you know, anything uh north of New York or I've never been
so I've never been to like Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts all the way
up. Oh yeah, Newport time yea. So we're going to plan a
road trip for this fall and so yeah, may maybe we can do something.
Yeah, let me know when you you know, when you come up
this way, because there's plenty of places, you know, We've got the
S. K. Pierce Mansion. That was the one place, now you
know the shadow like that, We saw it with our own eyes. It
was Julie and I. We were in it was two in the afternoon,
front collar of this Victorian home and we looked up and this strange amoeba shaped
thing that was black came across the ceiling. And it was more so it
wasn't like like a black smoke. It was more solid than that. But
it came and it went between the chandelier and the ceiling, and then it
was it vanished there and it was gone, and if I hadn't seen it
with my own eyes, and that was not you know, we didn't get
it on camera. We only have the experience. You spend a moment trying
to like you're like blinking, trying to adjust your eyes. Am I really
seeing this? And then it was gone and that was it. It was
incredible. Yeah, a lot of stuff over there too, So yeah,
there's plenty of haunted places around here if you want to come out and visit.
So, yeah, you go through Boston area and visit some of the
stuff in Boston. You love the city too, really great place. Well
she's been here, right, because you were out here a couple of years
ago, right, Christina. Last year we associate twenty two, right,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, twenty twenty two. You know, we said
I'm terrible with numbers. We went out there and spent some time. We
were we visited Salem. That was a lot of fun. Ye, Salem
is fun. You mentioned earlier that you you've written two books. M hm.
Can you tell us a little bit more about those and where we could
find them. Yeah, of the prior to you know me and working at
OSR and doing all that stuff. You know, Kathy and I used to
be on some you know, podcasts and radio shows, you know, back
in the early twenty tens. And one of the questions that people used to
always ask me, have you ever written any books? And I'm like,
no, I haven't. Well, it got to the point where I had
enough material finally to write some books. So I've written two books. The
first one is Insights into the Unknown, A ghost Hunter's Journey. Second one
is Roads into the Unknown, A ghost hunter Journey Continues, And they're both
all of my investigations, personal experiences, all the locations that we've been to.
And I didn't write it to make money or anything like that. I
did it to satisfy me. I mean, I've always wanted to write a
book, and this is something that I wanted to do, so but that's
what I base my talks on. Are these two books. The one presentation
I do, and they can be purchased on Amazon. Alls you have to
do is just put my name into the search in both books, so we'll
come up and I do sell them at events and they actually sell them in
the museum store at your house date Reformatory. So it was just something cool
that I've always wanted to do. So well, that's great though, I
mean I think you know you did it. You know, I've got one
that's hopefully it will be out in twenty twenty four. But it's the same
thing, you know what I mean. You have experiences, you have a
journey you're on, and you want to be able to share it with people,
and right, it's for your own benefit, you know. Yep,
that's that's why I wrote them. And I'm starting a third, third book
now, so just to find the time. Oh yeah, it's gonna be
about the House their Reformatory. It's gonna be about the House Stair Reformatory because
I've got so many experiences there and everything. I got enough there for a
book now, so I can imagine. I mean, you know, I've
never been there when there weren't tons of other people. But I'll be honest,
I don't. I didn't really feel anything negative there or anything that frightened
me. Some heaviness and some sadness. I've picked up one and I'm not
psychic, you know, but you can feel energy, right, Oh yeah,
what about you? What's your experience is there. You know, a
lot of the building you do get that energy. Uh. There is one
area that if I am by myself, I don't like it, and sometimes
if I can, I'll try to avoid it. And that's that is the
third floor the admine. Believe it or not, even it's up on the
third floor. It's the main hallway. It's a tea hallway. It's right
in front of this area called the chair room. That is one area that,
you know, it creeps me out a little. I'm not gonna deny
it. All the other areas are fine. I can go into solitary confinement
by myself. I can walk the cell blox by myself. But that's one
area where it's like I'm always looking, you know, behind me, like
all right. So in fact, sometimes not often, but sometimes I am
there by myself. And after the when the guests leave, I'm the only
one in the building and I got to go around and lock stuff up.
And that's one of the areas it's like do I go out there or do
I not go up there? And you know, if I do go up
there, sometimes I'll do a Facebook live because then I am not alone.
You always get the jokes there that is like, what was that behind you?
Now? I know I'm going to start watching and doing that. So
yeah, it's but it's a cool location. I love it. We've had
a lot of experiences there. Yeah enough where I can give a tour about
a two hour tour and just talk all about my experiences. Just yours.
Not other people are right, but just yours. That's cool. How long
have you been how long have you been associated with it? Well, Kathy
and I started investigating it in two thousand and four, and then we began
and then when I saw it for the first time, I fell in love
with the building. I'm like, when I retire, I want to work
here. And I retired in twenty and eleven, and then we started volunteering
there in twenty thirteen, and then twenty seventeen I became the lead paranormal investigator
there, and then twenty nineteen and our team became the resident paranormal team,
and then twoenty and twenty two Kathy became the paranormal program manager there. We're
just told me about that. I was excited for. Oh yeah, it's
a beautiful place. I see where you fell in love with it. I
just adore it. Oh yeah, it's it's like with Katy and I say,
it's our home away from home. There's a lot of people that love
it, and yeah, it's just a cool place. Curious have you ever
talked with anyone who was incarcerated there their experiences? Did they have? What?
Were there any paranormal experiences back then? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah
when it was open as a prison. Oh yeah, there were experiences.
Yeah. You know there's the ones, you know, inmates should be sleeping
in their bunks or you know, laying in their bunks and they would hear
a guard walking by, you know what, the keys jangling, But when
they would look, be no guard walking by, and later on the real
guard would come walking by. So you know, it's just stuff like like
that. But yeah, that's there. There's a long history there. It's
incredible energy, a lot of energy. And you know, it's funny because
I tend to shut myself off when I'm in some places. People always say,
oh, well, what are you getting And half the time I don't
get anything because I'm just I'm not tuned into it, you know, I'm
just in another zone. But where the exhibits were, is it the North
cell block where Solstice Sisters was. Is that the north cell block or I
don't know what that was. That is the west cell block north side.
Okay, So if you walk down and the showers we had the speakers is
on the right, and you come around the corner that very next corner,
I had the strangest I don't know, it was almost like deja vous.
It stopped me in my track. I stopped there and I looked around.
It was like I have definitely been here before. And I walked and I
looked at that. It was like I recognized the court. It was the
weirdest thing, just in that corner. And then I worked on and yeah,
I don't know. I mean, I don't know if it's anything,
but I don't usually get dejavy. I don't get feelings like that. And
it was a really strange feeling, but only there. It was not another
place in that entire building where I got that sensation. Wow, directly cool.
Yeah, I'm hoping in May when we when we go back, I
can see a little more of it, because I really didn't. I really
didn't. I only saw where the exhibits were and that was it, right
those spots. So we only have a few minutes left. Tell us are
you where are you giving your talks? Are you do you have talks planned
somewhere or I mostly do my talks h during the Halloween season and it's almost
you know, libraries and private groups and businesses in Northeast Ohio. But you
know, I wanted to, you know, spread myself out and I wanted
to get you know, some other may maybe convention, smaller, paranorm normal
stuff. And that's why I posted the bio about me. You know what
I've done and what I do. What's the best way for people interested in
getting you to their event? How do they best reach you? They can
reach me on Facebook or they can send me an email and that's G.
E. Faketich at gmail dot com. I actually have my own personal website
too. Uh. All as you got to do is put in the search
me on the Internet and that'll be one of the first ones that come up.
I think it's like wix, greg Faketik, author dot or something like
that. It's really long. And of course if they want to, you
know, come see the Ohio State Reformatory, they can do that as well.
There's a site for that that they have their own site Ohio State.
Right, it's m R dot org m R. Or they could come to
the paraschon Icon, Yes, and they should. Yeah, that's just pairpsychon
dot com and it's p A R A p S Y like psychiatrists or psychic
p S Y c O N Yes dot com. Definitely worth it. A
lot of good vendors. I mean, you get all the celebrities that show
up, you know, and it's a wonderful event. Really, it's fun.
I mean, we we like it and you know, we hope that
everybody else enjoys it when day they come out. You know, we do
it for the building, we do it for for the guests, and you
know, all the money there that we do make on the event, we
just donate it back to the reformatory. So Kathy and I are the organizers.
We we don't take any money from any of the profits. And we
actually do a pet supply drive and a food drive. That's awesome. A
lot of it given back to the community, right, I think it's great.
And you know when you think about how that, you know could have
been raised a lot of like a lot of these paranormal places, you know,
they could just end up leveled with an apartment complex there right exactly,
So it's great. Yeah, Greg, thank you so much for being here
with us. Really is a pleasure to have you on again. And I
know you were on last year talking about parapsychon and you're going to be back
talking about parapsychon because we just love it so but I appreciate you coming on
and sharing this with us and going through that evidence that was really fascinating and
glad you guys had me on. It was fun. It's it's a real
pleasure and we will be back. Why would you folks next week, I
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