1 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,519 What is up, fellow thermonuclear a eppers. I am dan Va Valley coming 2 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:27,640 at you with a Saturday podcast, apparently because I am wired from taking caffeine 3 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,600 a little bit too late in the day and I feel like there were stuff 4 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,320 to talk about that we caught behind on a little bit with the three mail 5 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:34,640 bags we put out. I hope you guys enjoyed those of you have not. 6 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,200 Go check them out and very quickly, and like always, please remember 7 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,960 to subscribe to us if we haven't done it already. 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That's a I want 23 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:37,760 to call it a steal because yes, this is going to be his age 24 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:41,200 thirty seven and thirty eight seasons and he'll turn thirty nine and that pen ultimate 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,959 one. But two years and twenty million, that's less than what the mid 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,000 level is going to be if it's about ten million a year, like the 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,680 mid level is going up the non taxplayer's mid level to eleven. Again, 28 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:53,200 I know he's getting older, but his is a game that should age really 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,120 well. It's never been pride on explosion and the things he does are more 30 00:01:56,239 --> 00:02:00,480 IQ and finesse and craft than anything else. Did you know having that half 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,879 season off and okay, see to his body so well that now it's like 32 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:07,959 extended his career. Not sure, but that's huge for the Celtics, I 33 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:09,199 think, not just because he's a good fit and for him. I get 34 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,840 it, he probably could have gotten more elsewhere. Maybe it's only over one 35 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,000 year, but it wouldn't have shocked me with the cap going up if some 36 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:17,759 team was like, we want Al Horford for our locker room, and here's 37 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:22,199 two years and like the twenty eight million or something like that. As timoc 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,599 Mann pointed out, he's gonna have made almost three hundred million dollars by the 39 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:29,560 time this next contract is up. So if he wanted to just prioritize winning, 40 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:31,280 and the Celtics are the best team in the league as we record this, 41 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:35,479 even after they're they're lost to the Miami Heat. I get that. 42 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,039 I don't like, you can't fault that, and it just seems like a 43 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:40,879 good fit. He seems happy there. But it's it's huge for the Celtics, 44 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,759 not just because he is good, but like the Robert Williams the third 45 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:47,800 seems like he's nearing a return, but he's injured all the time. You've 46 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:53,120 gotten good minutes out of Luke Cornette this season. You have Grant Williams he's 47 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,360 good, but he's going to restricted free agency, Like your front line isn't 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,000 necessarily settled, like yeah, one through four when you're Jalen Brown, Jason 49 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:01,919 to Him, Derek White, Malcolm Brogdon, Marcus Smart, Sam How's are 50 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,639 lighting it up this year? Even Peyton Pritchard playing really well, Like you're 51 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,039 all kind of set you're looking at like the big man spots the four and 52 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,199 the five, Horford being able to play next to RW three, or just 53 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:15,840 being the soul big himself. Just having someone who has proven durable relative to 54 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,439 RW three and is not a flight risk anymore, like Grant Williams and restricted 55 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:23,520 free agency this summer. I think that that's that had to factor in a 56 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:28,360 huge deal for this I what I also do find interesting and I don't like 57 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:31,520 doing contracts in this context, but I feel like Corford's taking a little bit 58 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,840 of a risk in the sense that that final season feels like he could just 59 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:38,360 be traded because you have that expiring number at a tidy like ten million dollars 60 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:40,840 or whatever will end up being do they scale down, do they scale up, 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,719 We'll have to see. So like that's just like that's a contract that 62 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:47,039 feels like it's built to be moved. Maybe he's just too good and so 63 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,919 you're not getting rid of him anyway. But that's just something that's weird. 64 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,599 So I do think it's worth keeping an eye on. But this is a 65 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,319 it's a home run for the Celtics. Not again, Horford is good and 66 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,719 valuable to them, but I think he's even more valuable than he was last 67 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:04,479 season when you're kind of scaling ahead to what they're front court rotation might look 68 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:10,879 like. The next thing that we have to talk about at this point is 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,000 the I'm gonna go with the Chicago Bulls here, and they are not good. 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:21,000 They are Their defenses has impressed me. But Woje was on ESPN and 71 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,000 I'm going to play the clip for everybody, actually, but talking about how 72 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,439 Chicago could wind up being sellers at the trade deadline. So here's Woge on 73 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,319 ESPN. I think for the Lakers, a lot of teams in this league, 74 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,000 they're gonna be watching what happens. One of the teams we have playing 75 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,879 tonight, the Chicago Bulls. Do the Bulls pivot at some point this season? 76 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:43,240 Do some of their players become available. That's not the case now, 77 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:46,199 but I think for the Lakers between nine and February ninth. Are there some 78 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:53,680 high end talent that is not available now that becomes available closer to we speaking 79 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,560 of a certain guy who just has paid two hundred and fifteen million dollars in 80 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,279 its front selling California. Might his name come up? Zach Lavine, Damar 81 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:04,360 derozen Nikolausevic. I think those are all players people in the league. Teams 82 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,759 are waiting to see will any of them be available by the trade deadline? 83 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,079 Right now? This is a Chicago team that wants to make the playoffs, 84 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:15,519 wants to get a healthy Lonzo ball back. They're not ready to concede yet. 85 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:18,240 So the Bulls are not going to blow it up, And I get 86 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:20,600 why people think that they might, and I don't. I want to make 87 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:25,720 it clear, I don't think trading Voukovich would constitute blowing it up for them. 88 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:28,560 I just don't know, you know, long term, especially how valuably 89 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:32,079 is the Bulls. They've underachieved this year. Their offense has been on a 90 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:34,560 lot of nights. Dog shit. I don't understand why you're trying to build 91 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:41,079 a team around vouch, Lavigne and Rozen with very few athletic defenders and then 92 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,920 guys who don't get up three point volume. The Bulls are in the bottom 93 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,000 five of three point frequency, and I believe three point percentage as well. 94 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,199 I haven't checked the stats after their game with the Warriors. That's an issue. 95 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,439 A lot of it is Lonzo Ball is out and he's valuable to them 96 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:58,240 at both ends for three point volume and for just the you know, the 97 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,839 defensive disruption. I think this team they've surprised me with a number of turnovers 98 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:03,680 they've still been able to force. They are in the top ten of points 99 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,720 a lot per possession, so they've overachieved there and some of their lineups really 100 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,920 working, but the offense has been more of a slog than it should be. 101 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:15,560 How much of that is just Lavigne not really inform yet. He's shooting 102 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,560 like sub thirty two percent from mid range. Not his three point shooting is 103 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:21,279 dipped, but like he's still shooting a pretty high clip on his you know, 104 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:25,759 non corner threes, which I think is is a big deal. So 105 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,319 there feels like there's something off. Patrick Williams is sort of not being high 106 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,240 volume enough on offense even when he has those good nights, Like it is 107 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,000 their value in going to a four three or four from three. I'm not 108 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,160 talking about his O of eight performance from the field against Phoenix, of course. 109 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,680 Like but it's so low volume. So you look at this team and 110 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,639 it feels like they have so many that they're searching for so many things. 111 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,920 You see them change their starting line up against the Warriors where they're inserting Javonte 112 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,720 Green and Crusoe coming back, and so there's so many questions, and I 113 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:54,040 think a lot of people believe that, oh, maybe maybe they would blow 114 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:56,680 it up. We've seen the demard rose into the Laker scenario prop up. 115 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,759 Bill Simmons had talked about it. I didn't listen to the pod, but 116 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,279 I saw it get aggregated or at least thrown on Twitter. Zach Low mentioned 117 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,079 it on his pod that the Lakers have at least they have not ought made 118 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:08,639 an offer, but that there hasn't been in a discussion in Lake a Land 119 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,839 about oh, would we go after Vooch and the Rosen. I don't know 120 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:15,240 if that constitutes blowing it up. De Rosen's really good. I don't know. 121 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,680 Wooch's value of this team moving forward is complicated. I think he's probably 122 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:26,560 been better offensively overall. Than he was for much of last year, and 123 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:29,560 like, okay, good, there's there's value in that. And ideally, 124 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,160 when you're gonna build your offense Aroundomar Derosian, like, yes, it's he's 125 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,439 shooting thirty four percent from three good enough on that type of volume. Four 126 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:38,800 and a half attempts per game, and he's shooting almost fifty five percent on 127 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:42,040 his twos. I still believe even when Voch isn't good, he's just a 128 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,800 very effective connective passer. But look, the Bulls, they're not going to 129 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:49,600 blow up. They have that pick. They ower the magic with top four 130 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:56,480 protection. And so if you if you make a move to bottom out this 131 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:59,680 season, and I would constantly I think if you trade de Rosen kind of 132 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,800 knowing that Lonzo Ball might not play this year with that knee injury, that 133 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,800 would you know, you come pretty close to that. That would almost be 134 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:07,279 worse, you know, if you're gonna bottom out, bottom all the way 135 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:11,240 out, because if you have let's say top if you finished with one of 136 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,399 the three worst records, and we'll get into that in a second, you 137 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:18,319 have fifty two point one percent chance of getting a top four pick. So 138 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:22,240 yes, it's more than a coin toss. But it's basically a coin toss. 139 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:24,879 And so if you finish, you know, like your fourth fifth in 140 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,480 the order, excuse me, Like you could send like this prime time pick 141 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:35,159 two Orlando that you didn't need to so there's no value in bottoming out this 142 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,000 season. You could try it, like if you're getting a like a caps 143 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,559 Lock draft pick haul for Lavigne order Rosen and you really want to start over, 144 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,159 you could try it, like you could because you don't you look at 145 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,519 this as a sunk cost and then you just move forward with the picks and 146 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,679 maybe prospects that you've accumulated, and who knows if you finish with a you 147 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,200 know, one of the top lottery I was like, maybe you're able to 148 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:01,399 keep that pick. It's just look there, there's plenty of season left to 149 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:05,039 play. But you look at the Bulls and they're too close to the middle 150 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,559 to do that effective tank if you want to call it. They're six games, 151 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,879 six losses, excuse me, in front of the Orlando Magic and may 152 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,519 excuse me, it's five losses in front of the Orlando Magic. Okay, 153 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,080 fine, but like you have to tank your ass on like the Hornets. 154 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,840 What's going on Flamelo ball and they're they're just bad. The Thunder behind you, 155 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,799 And is there a point where they're gonna not play Shay as much if 156 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:28,399 they if they lose enough, they've been frisky. I will say that, 157 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,399 like the Thunder have been good, especially when she's on the floor. Does 158 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,600 that hold all season? The Rockets, Yeah, they beat the Suns on 159 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,120 the road, like that's cool and fun, but they're bad. The Spurs 160 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,360 they're awful. They might be. They've definitely been the worst team in the 161 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:45,440 league since they started the season, like Gangbusters, the Pistons. Kade's injured, 162 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,679 we don't know what he's coming back. They're going to be terrible. 163 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,000 They did beat the Mavericks though, but that's sort of an indictment on the 164 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,360 Mavericks. Oh Killian Hayes might be a superstar. And then the Magic are 165 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,440 just like they've dealt with a slew of injuries in the backcourt to Palap and 166 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,000 Caro as well, so they might like they're and there's a base there, 167 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:05,279 but we're talking about like you have to let's assume the Lakers leap probables right 168 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:07,679 now, Okay, fine, whatever, the Thunder, the Hornets, the 169 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:11,799 Rockets, the Spurs, the Pistons, the Magic Those are six teams that 170 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,159 you're in front of right now, and you have to out bottom out four 171 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,480 of them to have one of like the the top lottery odds in the equation. 172 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:26,639 So and then like, yes, it's it's it's it's likely that you 173 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:31,960 wouldn't be sending it's mostly likely that you wouldn't be sending Orlando like number five 174 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:35,080 or number six if you're finishing with the you know, one of like the 175 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,360 bottom two record or bottom three record instead of the absolute worst record, if 176 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:41,440 you finish the absolute worst record, like you can only send them you know 177 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,000 you'll be in the top four or you'll get number five, Like you can't 178 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:46,559 fall lower than five. But that would almost be more of a disaster. 179 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:50,360 Like it's you send them the seventh pick, because let's say you have the 180 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,879 third worst record, it's all right, Like what if you send them the 181 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:56,639 fifth pick? You just I don't think you can justify bottoming out in that 182 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:03,639 vein. And every everything we've seen from their front office is geared towards the 183 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,080 exact opposite. Is like they've tried to tread water, either in the middle 184 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:09,759 or just they read too much into I mean, when they went after de 185 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,639 Rosen in the first place, it's not a matter of it. But they 186 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:13,639 didn't necessarily double down on last season. They didn't make any huge moves, 187 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:16,399 but they were better than expected for part of last season. But the angle 188 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,159 was getting a lot better than people thought they should have, quicker than they 189 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:22,440 should have. They go and they trade for Voog and then you bring in 190 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:26,039 Lonzo Bong, You bring in Demartar Rozi, bringing an house Caruso Cruso signing 191 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:28,360 I thought was great. Signing Lonzo Ball turned out to be a good signing 192 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,480 force health that used the Rosen's making his money. So they haven't made any 193 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,159 franchise mal practice moves. Maybe the trade for Vouch when you're looking at the 194 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,679 opportunity cost here, especially with what Wendell Carter Jr. Has turned into. 195 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,000 So I get it. I get the criticism and I get the inclination too. 196 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,080 Yeah, someone comes along, it's gonna blow you away with an offer. 197 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:50,360 Who's blowing you away? For an offer for Demartar Rosen, Like, 198 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,360 yes, he is really good? Would you do that for the Lakers two 199 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,679 unprotected first round picks? Again, I guess you consider it because the rosen 200 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:03,080 Is in his age thirty three season. Excuse me, but like you do 201 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,600 risk then you're gonna send this high pick to Orlando. And I think that 202 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:09,399 this is going to be a franchise at least until the off season. They're 203 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,519 going to try and it might even be for the next couple of seasons, 204 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,200 because when you look at their pick commitment to Orlando, like, it's not 205 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:20,840 just okay, after this season, it's over, We're done with It's cool. 206 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:24,600 You owe a top four protected pick this year, and then it becomes 207 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:30,080 top three protected, So like you have two years now where that's a very 208 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:35,600 loosely protected pick. Tanking doesn't guarantee that you keep it. Like that's too 209 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:39,240 precarious of a situation to be in, because okay, you keep your pick 210 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:41,519 next year. This year, fine if you're if you're bad enough, but 211 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,840 then are you gonna be good enough to ensure that you maybe don't send another 212 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,559 prime time pick in twenty twenty four. No, And so it just doesn't 213 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,519 feel like the right timing of a rebuild when you're looking at the aim of 214 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,399 this organization and also the pick constraints that they're now up against, and like, 215 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:58,399 lookay, this kind of matters too. You're twenty twenty five pick is 216 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:05,600 o top ten protected to the to the to the Spurs, but two years 217 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,679 after that could be twenty twenty six depending on what happens with the Orlando pick. 218 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,960 It's just they're not set up to tank, which is bad. You 219 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,919 could again, if you're getting enough picks. Zach Lavine is going to be 220 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:18,519 the guy that gets you the most picks. Our team is willing to roll 221 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:20,639 the dice on him where it's yeah, he's got four years left on his 222 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:26,039 contract, which is an assets. He's nowhere near considered old, like this 223 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,039 is someone who is still in the heart of his prime, or since this 224 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,960 is age twenty seven seasons, he's just entering his prime. But all the 225 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,759 knee stuff in the rear view that has to be concerning. And so unless 226 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:39,200 you're getting bowled over with the Rudy Gobert type or Donovan Mitchell type return, 227 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,799 you're not going to blow it up. And so it's way more likely that 228 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,679 the Bulls, just knowing how loosely protected their first round or is the next 229 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,240 two seasons, you want to convey it now like it gets easier too if 230 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,120 you convey it this season then it's just it's over. It's done with, 231 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,120 and then you can start worry about, oh, it is maybe the time 232 00:13:56,159 --> 00:13:58,639 to bottom out, because you can ensure that you don't send a top ten 233 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,240 ten protect to pick to San Antonio. And so this is more of a 234 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,799 question for the Bulls over the off season doing it now. Look, if 235 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,799 the Lakers came calling for two firsts and you think that you could tread water 236 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:13,639 enough without Dmarda rozen to just pick up the Lakers late first round picks, 237 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,480 so you have those in your chamber, I think you could go that route. 238 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,519 But we're not gonna see even if you're including both Votchin de Rosen, 239 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:22,559 do you think that the Bulls aren't going to be appreciably worse. Maybe they're 240 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:26,039 still not. If that, if you're gonna play zach Lavine, if Lonzo 241 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,480 comes back, if Carusoe stays healthy, if you know iotas soon moved, 242 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:33,159 this gives Patrick Williams some extra reps like, maybe you're I would still say 243 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:37,480 you're too good with zach Lavine to be one of like the worst teams. 244 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,600 But you're still in a position to where you might be sending Orlando a better 245 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:45,240 pick than you would want Again, that shouldn't be the entire factor, but 246 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,240 you have to at least safeguard yourself against the bottoming out part, And so 247 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,799 zach Lavine, specifically to me, would be off the table once he's trained 248 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:56,639 eligible. I just I don't see the value in doing it now unless you 249 00:14:56,679 --> 00:15:00,759 are getting that return. But regardless of what they do, if they're sellers, 250 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:03,639 it's going to be more half asked to me than not. If they 251 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,080 went that route, which again I don't expect them to. It's not going 252 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,919 to be this full scale tear down because they just can't afford to do it. 253 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,399 And like the public relations nightmare would look if you're sending a very high 254 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,000 lottery pick to Orlando, now you could wind up doing that anyway. I 255 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,919 think that's the other argument here is like as of right now that you are 256 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:26,440 not even in the Eastern Conference playing tournament, Like yeah, you're hovering around 257 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,679 that territory, but you're behind the Knicks' you're in twelfth, So that can 258 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:31,879 be a factor. Oh we're still going to send them a lottery pick anyway. 259 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,000 But I do think the optics are going to matter to this franchise, 260 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:37,840 and they should what they shouldn't do. I would say, is doubled down 261 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:41,600 and like, oh, can we have technically that Portland pick this year? 262 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:46,360 If it you know, if it conveys, we have Patrick Williams. Is 263 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,320 there a team that's interesting in Kobe White, like you know we have Alice 264 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,200 Caruso. Is a team want to buy a unlnz of ball while he's injured? 265 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,080 I don't want to see them. I don't think this is a team 266 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,559 that should double down now and try and get noticeably better. If an opportunity 267 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:03,639 arises where the cost of entry for a player who really helps your team, 268 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:06,279 Like, is it someone who's really going to sling up your three point volume 269 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:10,440 or just give you more of an athletic defender on that type of a scale. 270 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:11,720 Yeah, absolutely do it. And again there's a team that's really in 271 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,840 love with Routovich. I don't I don't think losing him would be this blow. 272 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:18,600 I think you'd probably still be good enough to hover around play in territory. 273 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,080 Absolutely, but I don't think that you can make any wholesale buy or 274 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,919 sell moves here. And by that I mean you're certainly the Derosian is like 275 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,279 the middle ground. I would still mean against the team entertaining it. But 276 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:33,240 if the Lakers came calling with two picks, you have to I'm talking about 277 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:36,440 it. It's the Zach Lavine demarcation line getting rid of him. It's just 278 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,320 it's not happening, and he's not young enough to be part of rebuild. 279 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,480 But he's young enough to where like you can wait until the summer. Nothing's 280 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,039 gonna happen with value and maybe you retink or the roster feel better about it 281 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,080 with him, or that's when you make this decision. After you've conveyed you're 282 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,879 loosely protected pick to Orlando, so it's you're not gonna go to that extreme. 283 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:56,240 But you also can't be like, you know, this isn't one of 284 00:16:56,279 --> 00:16:59,240 the teams that should be trying to sneak in and get into John Collins sweepstakes. 285 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,759 For interest, I'm just throwing name out there. Or if Bradley Beale 286 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:04,000 becomes available, that's a more feasible name that feels like they could become available, 287 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,559 Or if they heat really just keep sucking even though they just beat the 288 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:11,039 Celtics and Jimmy Butler wants that, like you, that's a bad example because 289 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,759 I don't think Jimmy Butler want to go back to Chicago. So like, 290 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,079 you just shouldn't be the team that's going to be an extreme buyer or an 291 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:22,039 extreme seller. You're kind of I think the Bulls are trapped here for now. 292 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,039 Just I don't think you want to put yourself at risk of sending Orlando 293 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,880 to Glitzie of a first rounder this season. So I would expect them to 294 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,240 be And so if we're talking about like medium buyers or sellers, I would 295 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:40,279 still lean that I think they'll be buyers over sellers, if not stam patters, 296 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:42,480 but that is something to monitor. I just don't think teams waiting for 297 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:45,319 Zach Lavine around the league. And maybe we're just talking about the Lakers here, 298 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:51,119 because that's such a delusional organization. It's not going to happen. Let's 299 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,960 go into the Lakers, who there was some news in Laker Land, because 300 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,279 this team is a speculation factory first and then a basketball team second. At 301 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:04,160 the moment, multiple sources told The Athletic that the Lakers are weighing three different 302 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:10,440 paths to noticeably improving their roster. They are Path one, trade Russ plus 303 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,680 a pick or two for a star or multiplayer hall. Path two, trade 304 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:19,119 some combination of Patrick Beverly, Kendrick Nunn and picks one first and or multiple 305 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:25,000 seconds for role players who better address needs and upgrade the rotation. And then 306 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,119 there's path three, which is doing both of those, where it's trade one 307 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,000 pick one first round pick with Westbrook and then another first round pick using Beverly 308 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:36,920 or none. I don't really know what's I think the all in path just 309 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,240 makes the most sense. If you're gonna trade both first round picks, like, 310 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:41,119 really do it and see if you can do Russ plus two first? 311 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,960 What does that get you? I don't love Path two. Trade some combination 312 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,319 of like Beverly and Nunn and maybe at first that that's half assed. And 313 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:51,640 I don't know who you're going If you have to give up a first round 314 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,599 pick to get an he wanted if it's just them and seconds, yeah, 315 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:59,160 sure, that's that's half ass. But you're not giving up any really glamorous 316 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,160 equity. But if you do attach one first, I'd rather see what I 317 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,039 could get for both, just because like, what are what are you doing 318 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:07,880 at that point? With all this said, though, I came up with 319 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,839 trade ideas, some one of which was at least a refinement of previous talks 320 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:15,200 that we know they've had for all of these scenarios that I'm gonna go through. 321 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:18,400 So I have one I trade idea for each one. I'll throw it 322 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,200 up on the screen for any YouTube watchers. We'll go with path number one, 323 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:26,799 the Star route. That is it's it's with the Pacers surprised. So 324 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,240 in this deal, I have the Lakers getting O'shaber set, Buddy Healed, 325 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:37,000 Miles Turner Cleveland's twenty twenty three first round pick, it's lottery protected and then 326 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:41,039 turns into two seconds if not conveyed. And then the Pacers get Damian Jones 327 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,160 Russ Chicago's two and twenty three second which you know that could be in the 328 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,720 thirties, and then the Lakers two and twenty seven and twenty nine first round 329 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:53,559 picks unprotected. This was not a trade. I think both sides were kind 330 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:57,160 of just like Lakers fans were not amused by this. They don't think that 331 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:03,119 you they don't think that you give up two first round picks to play to 332 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,920 get a player who plays Anthony Davis's best, albeit his least preferred position. 333 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:11,000 At the same time, Turner is the closest acquisition to a star the Lakers 334 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,119 can reasonably chase without almost as shortly getting out bid by other teams. They 335 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,400 can dangle swaps in twenty six and twenty eight on top of twenty seven and 336 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:25,279 twenty nine those unprotected first, and it is a lot, but other teams 337 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:27,720 will offer more. If it's a name like Bradley Beal or Zach Lavine, 338 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:33,559 maybe that package gets you into a theoretical Beal sweepstakes since he has a no 339 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,720 trade clause and can very much control where he goes, but neither he North 340 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:41,640 Washington Wizards have given any indication that they wish to dissolve the marriage once he's 341 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,640 eligible to be traded on January fifteen. That's what you would be waiting for. 342 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:48,359 By the way, I do think it, Jimmy Butler trade a man 343 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,519 could be interesting for the Lakers. He's thirty three three seasons left on his 344 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:53,359 deal one hundred and forty six point four million, that final years of fifty 345 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,839 two point four player option. Both are prohibitive numbers if you're prospective suitors. 346 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,039 And while I think the Lakers would gladly go all in for that, another 347 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:04,960 team might still come over the top and beat their best offer of an expiring 348 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,240 contract two swaps and two unprotected first I also just feel like that ventures too 349 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,759 far in the land of make believe. I don't think that Jimmy Butler wants 350 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:15,599 to leave Miami right now. There's also the Kyrie Irving trade scenarios. They 351 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,000 loom, but the nets are back above five hundred and moving. Kyrie risks 352 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:25,920 alienating Kevin Durant, who is one absolutely annihilating opponents on offense and two already 353 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,000 requested a trade once himself. That's why I settled on Turner. He's having 354 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:34,480 his own monster season. His scoring has never looks fiffier post ups having accounted 355 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:37,359 for such a high share of his offensive touches since he was a rookie, 356 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,359 and that was in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen. His one point two one points 357 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,960 per post up possession. By the way, that's tied for Brook Lopez for 358 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,640 the most among every player who has used as many post ups as Miles Turner. 359 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:52,960 Turner's also downing almost thirty eight percent of his triples on It's like okay 360 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:56,920 volume a little under five attempts for thirty six minutes, and we've seen him 361 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,880 just drop in some nice running layups or tough looks off drives. He, 362 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:03,799 by the way, just continues to ruin lives around the basket. This is 363 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,480 the third consecutive season in which he's averaged more than three blocks per thirty six 364 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,880 minutes, and he ranks tied for third in total shots contested at the rim, 365 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,680 even though he doesn't even rank in the top one hundred and fifteen minutes 366 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,319 played. Figuring out how the Lakers hash out this deal, though, is 367 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,279 incided so much back and forth. Why would the Lakers give up their two 368 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:25,559 best trade ships for someone entering free agency who, like I said, plays 369 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:29,480 Anthony Davis's best position. I do think the offensive fit would be rather seamless 370 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:32,240 thanks to Turners three point shooting. And if you're getting rid of Russ in 371 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:37,319 the process, you are opening up Miles Turner centric touches inside the offense. 372 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,240 If that's going to be an issue for him, surrendering both first to me 373 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:44,599 is still tough pill to swallow. The Lakers have to pay Turner this summer, 374 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,200 and that's assuming he wants to stick around. And though Heeld's functional shooting 375 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,240 is a breath of fresh air for one of the clumpiest offenses in the league. 376 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:55,680 His nineteen point three million dollars salary next season makes it harder for Relay 377 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,839 to operate as a meaningful cap space team and free agency this summer at this 378 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,440 same time, waiting for the Pacers to drop their asking price to one first 379 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,200 round pick just doesn't make sense. It gets it gets easier for them to 380 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,200 swallow Russell westbrook salary now that we're so late into the season. But that 381 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,559 number forty seven point one million is so gargangeou it hamstrings their ability to do 382 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,200 anything other than wave him or broke or a buyout. They should absolutely assess 383 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,200 an opportunity cost tax even though he's a temporary cap hit. That's why I 384 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:29,440 expanded the deal. So send o' shaber set and the Calves First to Los 385 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,839 Angeles for the Pacers. They might push back on that, but that Cleveland 386 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,799 First, if it conveys, is going to be in the twenties and recess 387 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:38,920 playing time is waxed and waned with this team. The Pacers should prefer to 388 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,359 me the chance to short the lakers long term future over keeping a low end 389 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,759 first and a player on an expiring contract who's just not going to be part 390 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,480 of your team long term, A long term I get that this takes a 391 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:52,759 special kind of vision. Crown jewels and a trade typically aren't picks that don't 392 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:56,920 convey for five and seven drafts. But the Pacers aren't drowning in extra first 393 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,839 rounders after the season. They have Boston's in Cleveland plus their own in twenty 394 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,359 three, and that's it. This is a chance to deepen that assets that 395 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,680 asset Chest and the Lakers first could be gems that the Pacers draft and develop 396 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,880 or highly covered a trade assets they reroute down the line when they're really good. 397 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,200 Forking over Cleveland's first, to me, is also a negligible add on. 398 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,920 When Indie has that Boston pick, Can you include the Boston pick instead 399 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,720 of Cleveland's. There's a difference between number thirty and number twenty two to me, 400 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:26,599 and if I'm the Lakers, I'm pushing for Cleveland also by trading Turner 401 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,319 and Healed that even Brisett, you're juicing up the value of your own draft 402 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,279 pick this season, which I do think is important because you're still in for 403 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,319 as good as you are or as you know is. I do think that 404 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:38,440 their offense is more real than not. This is a team that I think 405 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,079 will pull back a little bit, especially when you look at their point differential, 406 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,559 but like, you still should be in talent as young talent acquisition mode. 407 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,799 I know Turner is an ancient, but is paying his next contract ashming 408 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,400 he wants to stay. Which is the other element of all this. What 409 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,880 if he doesn't want to stay India no matter how much you offer. That's 410 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,240 that's a possibility given how much he's been in trade rumors. People pointed out 411 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,039 to me that this is not how the Pacers operate. It's this is the 412 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,799 closest they've come to operating like that. Though we saw them sort of lean 413 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,559 into the tank or bottoming out last year with the Sabonis trade. I know 414 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:10,480 they were playing Tyrese Halibert up until the end like they were still pretty bad, 415 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,680 and they embraced it. So you do this if you're the Pacers, 416 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,119 to me, you're not giving up any long term assets. And if you're 417 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,119 the Lakers, you probably want more of a surefire all star. But did 418 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,160 you get at least another first round pick that you can reroute later or maybe 419 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,319 draft this summer? And then Brissette has quietly nailed forty one point four percent 420 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,079 of his three since mid November, and he maintained positional flexibility on defense, 421 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:38,200 which is something they really need on the perimeter. Let's go to path two 422 00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:45,519 here. So path two is the None Beverly and one first round pick route. 423 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:48,759 It's my favorite route, but I have a deal for it because that's 424 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:52,839 the rules. This one is the Lakers get Yaka Peardle and Josh Richardson, 425 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,279 the Spurs get Patrick Beverley, Kendrick Nunn, Chicago's twenty twenty three second, 426 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,480 and then the Lakers twenty twenty seven first round pick. Some Spurs fans will 427 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,319 no doubt ins his Peartle is worth more than a singular first. That's a 428 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:07,480 tough case to make if we're talking about two lower end first perhaps, but 429 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,799 an unprotected pick a half decade is shout not so much. And also, 430 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,119 san Antonio isn't absorbing Westbrook as part of this package. That matters. Teams 431 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,240 are supposed to charge for that service. The Spurs are evading it all together. 432 00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:22,240 None and Beverly, by the way, that's not players the Spurs will 433 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,720 be interested in. They can be routed or eventually, if not immediately, 434 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,200 become buy out candidates. Peartle's overall value is further complicated by his functional limitations 435 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,960 and upcoming free agency. He is a crafty decision making near the elbows, 436 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:40,240 great screen center, and savvy rim protector who's overstretched. When he's been healthy 437 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:44,519 within the context of San Antonio's like weird defense this year, it has not 438 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,119 been good. He's also a crunch time liability because of his free throw shooting, 439 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,000 and his entry into free agency this summer renders him a flight risk. 440 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,519 He's suffering from a quad injury right now. I don't know if that impacts 441 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:57,599 his value either. The Lakers aren't going to value him anywhere near as turn 442 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,519 as much as Turner, and that's what they should do. His offensive fit 443 00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:06,240 next to a D isn't as squeaky clean, and he's unlikely to be part 444 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:08,519 of the Lakers go to closing units. Still, the things he does well 445 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,640 will help, especially given that Damien Jones and Thomas Bryan It failed to make 446 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,720 an impact. Richardson is mission critical wing death. He can be matched up 447 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,039 defensively with everyone from guards to power of wings, and he subsists basically on 448 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,119 catch and shoot threes at this point, which he's downing at a forty percent 449 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,880 clip traveling this path overall, though fields half baked. Like I said, 450 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,079 it allows the Lakers to straddle two lines in theory, but it's also a 451 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,720 vote of half confidence in practice. If they want If if that's what they 452 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:37,839 want, then so be it. This trade makes them better, doesn't entirely 453 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,319 bankrupt their first round pick stores, and preserves their capacity to dredge up thirty 454 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:45,839 plus million in caspace over the summer because both Richardson and Peartle are expiring contracts. 455 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,680 I would would I do it? If I'm the Lakers. This is 456 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,799 not the trade I would actively pursue, But there are worse deals to make. 457 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:55,559 But the fact that Russ would still be sitting on this roster afterwards, 458 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:59,200 you probably really can't play him in Peartle together, and you certainly can't play 459 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:03,200 him Petle in a dgether at the same time. Now we get though to 460 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,839 the to the exciting one. That's the path three, the multi deal route, 461 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,960 which I swished into one trade. But there's there's three teams here, 462 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,079 so let's go through it. The Lakers received Boyard Bodonovitch, Alec Burke's, 463 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,839 Malik Beasley, Mike Conley, and Kelly Olynok. The Pistons get Patrick Beverley, 464 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,200 Rudy Gay, the Lakers twenty twenty nine first round pick. The Jazz 465 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:29,279 get Damian Jones, Kendrick Nunn, Russell Westbrook, Chicago's twenty three second two 466 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,720 and twenty six first round swap from the Lakers, and then an unprotected two 467 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:37,440 and twenty seven pick the Jazz in this scenario, so you're you're sending out 468 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:41,519 if you're Utah, Malik Beasley, Mike Conley, Kelly Olynok, Rudy Gay. 469 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,599 So you're sending out those four players and you're getting back three expiring contracts, 470 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,720 Chicago's two thousand and twenty three second the swap for the Lakers in two 471 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,240 thousand and twenty six, which is far enough away that they might use it, 472 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,039 and then that Lakers unprotected pick. So you're trading those four players that 473 00:28:56,079 --> 00:29:00,799 I just outlined for the Lakers first round pick in twenty seven, that swap 474 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,720 in Chicago's twenty twenty three second round. Like that's the that's the value're getting 475 00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:07,759 is those three assets. The other value you are getting, though, is 476 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,160 you're escaping the final year of Regae's contract. He has a player option and 477 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,160 then Mike Conley. He's been good this year, but he has that huge 478 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,039 guarantee, So you're really cleaning up your books by bringing in all these expiring 479 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,319 contracts. There's value in that from a flexibility standpoint. Even if you don't 480 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:27,319 expect Utah to be free agency players, which you shouldn't. I you know, 481 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:33,799 if I'm the Jazz, I do this. They the Conley guarantee. 482 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,200 It's not bad money, but it's not an asset. And I think if 483 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,799 you believe in this team and you just want to stamp pat and see it 484 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:44,319 through, that's one thing. But to add another unprotected first round pick in 485 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,039 the distance to your cachet at first round picks, that's huge. That's that's 486 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,160 honestly huge. And look, if you want, I'll point this out. 487 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,119 If you want the Lakers twenty twenty nine first round pick, Detroit should be 488 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,240 amenable there. If I'm Utah, I prefer twenty seven, even though they 489 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,279 have mean they have picks in both years. They have two extra picks in 490 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:03,960 twenty seven right now and two extra picks in twenty nine, I believe. 491 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,960 But when you're going out to two twenty nine, that's just that's too long 492 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,519 for me because the Lakers, like, maybe they stumble into a free agent 493 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,880 or something like a star free agent because free agency. Yes, stars don't 494 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:21,200 leave right now, but maybe they do within the new CBA when the you 495 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,440 know, the cap spikes up. So you get two twenty seven, where 496 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,920 again you have Cleveland and Minnesota's first round picks. But those teams feel, 497 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,559 especially Cleveland, feel more likely to be good them than the Lakers, So 498 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:36,000 I would choose two and twenty seven. The question is are you doing this 499 00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:38,920 for the one first round s the one first round pick? Again, I 500 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,400 would because there's that swap in there. So the Lakers are truly bad and 501 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,519 you're better than them. You do control two of their first round picks, 502 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:52,559 and I don't think giving up Kelly Olynok been useful for them this season will 503 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,160 be useful for the Lakers, by the way, but he's not part of 504 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,079 your long term pickus like you have Walker Kessler there Jared Vanderbill who Walker casts 505 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:03,039 already taking minutes for So like you don't need Kelly Olneck and you're probably not. 506 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,799 Maybe you resign him. I shouldn't say never, but like he's not 507 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,759 mission critical to your future. Again, Mike Conley you have Jordan Clarkson, 508 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,720 you have Colin Sexton, so you're not light on guards. Malik Beasley is 509 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,880 the tough one here. I think this trade comes down to basically, how 510 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,839 much do you value Malik Beasley on that team option so you control him through 511 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,519 next season if you want. He's really he's shooting like forty almost over thirty 512 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:29,160 nine percent from three attempts per game. There's a ton of value in that. 513 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,480 But I would prefer if I'm the Jazz, Like I'm not, this 514 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:33,000 is not a tank move. I want to make that clear, like, 515 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,640 yeah, you're leaning further into the rebuild, but I want that those control 516 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,200 those two Lakers picks, and then you're you are probably juicing up the value 517 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,480 of your own pick this year, so and again you're getting off the Rudy 518 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,480 game money and but the fact that you're getting out from under Mike Conley's partial 519 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,000 but huge guarantee that's going to give you more flexibility moving forward. Maybe they 520 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,359 push for both first. If I'm the Lakers, I just I leave that 521 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,839 on the table. From Detroit's perspective, you're getting you have to eat the 522 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:05,240 one year of Rudy Guey. That's fine. Patrick Beverley, buy him out, 523 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,039 wave him whatever, reroute him done, and just to get an unprotected 524 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:13,519 pick down the line, and you're giving up Alec Burks and Boyan Bogdanovitch. 525 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,359 Now maybe you get you're not getting a first for Alec Brooks on your own. 526 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,000 I want to make that clear, like it's just not happening. He's 527 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,160 been pretty good, but when he's played, he started the year injured. 528 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,559 But you're not getting a first round pick for him. You might get one 529 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,359 for Boyan Mdonovitch. I'm gonna tell you right now, it's not gonna be 530 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:31,440 one that's seven drafts out, which if you're Troy Weaver, are you thinking 531 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,359 that long term? Maybe not, because you might not be the one running 532 00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,240 the team, and it's hard to sort of justify the crown jewel being this 533 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:42,319 pick that conveys seven drafts from now. However, that's a massive chip to 534 00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,839 get for Boyan Magdonovitch, who, Yeah, he's useful to you, but 535 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,640 with Kade injured and you're not really headed anywhere this season. He's under contract 536 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,920 for one more year guaranteed after the extension, and then another year after that 537 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,200 if you want to keep him. So there's value in that for the Lakers, 538 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,680 but he's not going to be part of your bigger picture. So to 539 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,359 give up Burks, you're basically you have to go a Burks and Bogdanovitch and 540 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:07,960 then eat one year of Rudy Gay at under seven million dollars to get the 541 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,440 Lakers twenty twenty nine first round pick. You do that, I don't even 542 00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,839 think that's a question. If Pistons fans were listening to let me know what 543 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,720 you think there, and I hope I'm breaking. I know three team trades 544 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,359 are to complicated, so I'm trying to go through what the teams are giving 545 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,319 up. So if you're the Lakers, now, you're giving up Russ, 546 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:27,240 Damien Jones, Kendrick Nunn, Patrick Beverley, so all those players firing contracts 547 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,599 gone. I think that's fine. You're giving up the Chicago twenty twenty three. 548 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,319 Second, you're giving up both the first round picks in addition to the 549 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:36,640 swap. So the only thing you have left, like right now to Deechnley 550 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,039 trade would be a twenty twenty eight swap, which you could include that to 551 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,079 Utah. They prefer that over twenty twenty six. By the way, I'm 552 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:46,000 just saying, are you doing that when you get back? This is the 553 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:51,960 Lakers hall Boyanmogdonovitch, Alc Burks, Blik Beasley, Mike Conley, Kelly Lynnick 554 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,720 I would do it. I like, you're not getting a star, but 555 00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:00,519 Conley's an expert game manager. You have Malik Beasley, like I said, 556 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:01,920 slinging it from three helps out a Tony. You can get some wing minutes 557 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,200 from him. Boyobodonovitch gives you someone on one creation if you need it. 558 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,440 But we'll also his three point shooting is ticked down since the K County cam 559 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,599 injury. Maybe that's related, but it'll come back up, like he's gonna 560 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,239 be teed up from Lebron James and Mike Conley here, who he's already played 561 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,679 with, by the way, so there's some familiarity there. Like you're you're 562 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,039 all of a sudden like you have a ton of shooting, Olenik, Conley, 563 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:29,800 Beasley, Burks, Butdonovitch, those are five above average shooters on a 564 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,199 roster that just barely has any right now. The only thing you can argue 565 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,280 is, oh, do we have sort of a death like a surplus of 566 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,199 that now? Because Lonny Walkers on this team and all of a sudd Now 567 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:44,039 we have molliek Beasley and Mike Conley and Boyobodonovitch Alec Burks, you're getting rid 568 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,079 of Kendrick Nunn and Russell Westbrook and Patrick Beverley is part of this. So 569 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:51,000 like there's not two. If there's an evenness, fine, it's better to 570 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,400 have a surplus of shooting and even guys who can create for themselves rather than 571 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,960 a deficit of shooting with guys who can create for themselves but not efficiently. 572 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,639 So those five players for two, let's just look the assets are. If 573 00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:08,880 you're the Lakers, the two first one swap for Bogdanovich, Burke's, Leek 574 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,159 Beasley, Mike Conley and Kelly Olynik. I'm doing it, and you're punting 575 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:17,639 on cap space next year. Because Conley has that fat partial guarantee it checks 576 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:22,880 in at fourteen point three million in his age thirty six season, you probably 577 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,400 just guarantee the full twenty four point four at that number and work with it 578 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,800 if you want to trade him later. And then Malik Beasley has that team 579 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,239 option for I think he's it like sixteen. That's you know, sixteen point 580 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,199 five. You probably picked that up and then Boyomardanovich has another left on his 581 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:43,000 deal, you can reevaluate then in twenty twenty four free agency when when, 582 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,360 depending on like what happens with the salary cap, you might just have more 583 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:51,239 flexibility anyway, And so I don't think that needs to be a big deal. 584 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,119 And these are all players that they'll be on expiring contracts and then you 585 00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:57,039 can move down the line. Kelly Olyny can play next to Anthony Davis. 586 00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,599 He can also just be your five. So I I don't I understand why 587 00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:02,840 you wouldn't do this because you want a star for those two picks, and 588 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,119 like now you're just playing your best hand. But like this, I think 589 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,679 this is my favorite trade for the Lakers, and I don't think I'm fucking 590 00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:13,440 over any other team. I saw some jazz fans in my comments because I 591 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,639 wrote about this, who don't think it's realistic for Utah. I'm just saying, 592 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,400 you have to really, like, what is the prime time asset you're 593 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,000 giving up here? You're if you're looking at it, we're not getting enough 594 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,119 because we're taking on Russell Westbrook. I get it, but at this point, 595 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,840 if this trade happens after December fifteenth. It's it's like a half season 596 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,239 of Russ's salary, and so your I guess your value there is, Well, 597 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,719 we're sending the Lakers two players in Commy and Beasley who are under contract 598 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,360 for next season. That helped them, But like, Commy's not going to 599 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,800 be desirable money. I think he's at it like anything a net. I 600 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,320 think he's a net negative at that number next season. I'm gonna be honest, 601 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,159 but maybe a net neutral. And I love my Commy. Anyone who 602 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:57,840 listens to the podcast knows how big a fan of his game. I am. 603 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,880 But like, you're still getting off of the Rudy Gay money, and 604 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,559 you're getting control over two of the Lakers first and like you don't need any 605 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,679 imminent first round picks right now, and maybe you know and like again the 606 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,119 twenty twenty three Chicago second rounder, that's like sort of nice and nifty if 607 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,000 you weren't getting off of Rudy Gay, if you weren't getting the swap, 608 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:19,840 I get it, But I think this is it toes the line of just 609 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,760 enough. Now, if you want to push for Austin Reeves, like would 610 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,920 the Lakers give him up in this deal? Like does that do it for 611 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,039 you, Jazz fans. I'm honestly asking. I'm not trying to be an 612 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,599 asshole here. I hope we don't have commenters on YouTube who just attack and 613 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,960 say I don't watch basketball or that I suck. Always happy to have discussions, 614 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,280 but I get so frustrated when we put so much effort into this podcast 615 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,599 and the YouTube commenters just like trash it by saying we suck and that we 616 00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:45,119 should stop, or that we don't watch games. It's I don't know why 617 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:46,960 it bothers me. It shouldn't, but I think because I look at YouTube 618 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,000 comments sins, I want to respond to people like I want to people feel 619 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,119 like the ones that are watching us consistently they're part of a community. So 620 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,159 hopefully people at least take this understand I'm not trying to fuck over the Jazz 621 00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:02,360 I know, or discordant joint artist Chord Wink wink. They'll understand where I'm 622 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,199 coming from. Maybe it's not enough, you can let me know, but 623 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,679 I think this is my favorite deal for the Lakers. I love it for 624 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,119 the Pistons, and if I'm the Jazz, look you're getting give them the 625 00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:15,960 pick of the litter. They can have a twenty twenty eight swap and the 626 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:20,760 twenty twenty nine first Like they can pick one of the swaps twenty six or 627 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,400 twenty eight and then one of the first round picks and then the other first 628 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:28,039 round pick will go to Detroit. I think that comes pretty close and if 629 00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:30,639 it, if it doesn't, like you can rework the deal I supposed to. 630 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,400 Where are you not giving the Lakers Kelly Olinok? Would you prefer to 631 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,800 give him Jeff Vanderbilt at this point? Also, the other thing I need 632 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,599 to know to hear is the Lakers luxury jacks bill skyrockets as a result of 633 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:44,559 this, if they cheap out, I think the easy thing to do is, 634 00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:46,199 like you can rework it so it's basically the same structure. But Alc 635 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,679 Burks isn't going to Los Angeles. Does he end up back in Utah? 636 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,320 Like that would be something that we would have to maybe look at. He 637 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:58,519 could also just stay in the Detroit Like that structure would work as well. 638 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,800 I can rework the deal and I did to where Alec Burks is just not 639 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,960 a part of it. So the Lakers want to cheap out, their bill 640 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,320 is still gonna go up anyway. But this I think, Look Lebron, 641 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,719 ad boy E, Madonovich, Alec Burks, Malik Beasley, Mike Conley, 642 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:19,199 Kelly Olynik. Those are seven really good players right there. You have Austin 643 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,440 Reeves, assuming he's not part of this deal on your roster. That's like 644 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,599 all of a sudden, a real eight man rotation. And it's oh hey, 645 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,760 like we have Lonnie Walker, the fourth is still doing things for us. 646 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,920 So like nine guys like nine, like all of a sudden, going 647 00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:40,039 nine good like above average let's say seven to eight above average NBA players deep, 648 00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,400 I don't know why you wouldn't do it. And the other the other 649 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,599 note would be if one of the other teams wants Thomas Bryant instead of uh 650 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,760 Damien Jones, then yeah, just like flip them out there. They're interchangeable 651 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,559 there, so does it make them contenders? I like if lerondor healthy, 652 00:39:57,639 --> 00:39:59,760 like, there isn't a team in the West that would scare me. I 653 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,440 stuss roster. You can ask whether they're good enough defensively, but like it 654 00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:06,800 might not matter with how well a D is played. And you have Austin 655 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,079 Reeves, so like you have those two as your baseline defenders and Mike Conley 656 00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:15,360 at his age is still probably pretty underrated for what he does. Malik Beasley 657 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,159 not like very great. So you know, like you have defenders you can 658 00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,800 trust, maybe including Lebron. At this point, I would say, like 659 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,480 there wouldn't be a team. The Nuggets and the Suns and the Pelicans all 660 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,039 stick out the Warriors, Like, yeah, those are teams that I might 661 00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:31,039 still pick ahead of the Lakers. But this is going in and you're deepening 662 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:35,079 the roster. 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