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Well, I don't know how much
more fired up you can get. Today

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is the day that you have had
circled and underlined, and then you get

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out of bed and here it is. It is the NFL Draft in Detroit

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or the Detroit Lions holding the pick
at number twenty nine. The Detroit Lions

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who won twelve games this year and
went to the NFC Championship game. Coming

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up here in just one minute,
we'll connect with Matt Dry from Lockdown Lions

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get his thoughts on what the Lions
are going to do in the draft.

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Let's run over the headlines, and
that headline has to do with the draft

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being in Detroit. Also the Tigers. They take the series against the Rays,

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but they lose last night seven to
five down in Tampa. But four

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and two on the road trip for
the Tigers, who now begin a six

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game homestand they're off today, but
they have the Royals and the Cards coming

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up the Battle of Missouri over the
next six days, starting tomorrow at Comerica

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Park. Your winners in the NHL. You had Boston over Toronto, the

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defending Cup champs of Vegas. They
get it done in Dallas again three to

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one. The Kings andse Copatar overtime
winner five to four LA over Edmonton.

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And then in the NBA with no
Jimmy Butler, the Heat beat Boston one

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eleven, one oh one. That's
the biggest surprise of the night, the

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Thunder taking care of the Pelicans one
twenty four ninety two out west to take

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a two to old lead there and
tonight this is I don't know how your

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setup is. Maybe you're taking a
party bus and you've got a hangover type

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suite at one of the casinos and
you've got Tiger tickets in your back pocket.

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That all sounds pretty good to me. It also sounds pretty good having

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your own TV and then a couple
other TVs set up because you've got three

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basketball playoff games at two NHL games
Panthers and Lightning Canes and Isles Calves and

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Magic Knicks and seventy six ers and
the Nuggets and Lakers, all of that

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going off. Eight o'clock is when
the draft gets going. We'll see when

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they actually put the Bears on the
clock. Who's on the clock right now

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is the host of the Locked on
Lions pod, and that is Matt Derry,

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who joins us here on ex'es and
bros. On the Michigan Sports Network,

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Matt, how are you, Dennis? Are we gonna play guess what's

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in fifth? Or what? Well
we're gonna play guess what's in Brad Holmes's

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back pocket? I want to know, you know, the excitement of the

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draft is out of sight. I
want to start with the Amana, Saint

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Brown and pinay Sewell, they get
those guys done, but why not golf

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done prior to tonight? Is that
leverage on the golf side or the Lions

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trying to leverage him a little bit
with that twenty ninth pick. Let's start

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there. Why I don't, Dennis, I don't think that tonight has anything

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to do with golf. I don't. I don't think there's any leverage with

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the pick. What I do think
is you're getting Amen Rod thirty a year

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DeVante Smith signed for twenty five,
So you knew Saint Brown's a better player

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than Smith. Smith's not even the
number one receiver on his own team in

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Philly, so he kind of knew
that was going to be around the number.

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So I think that's the steal,
getting him for four at one twelve

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and getting that done now I think
that's awesome. As far as the golf

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situation, Jared's gonna want fifty,
right, Dennis. I mean he's gonna

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want that five in front of that
zero. And I think the Lions are

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thinking more in the fours. And
so they know they've got him for this

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year at a good price, and
if they tag him next year, it's

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what forty two forty three million,
that's still below with Deshaun Watson and Kyler

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Murray make so they kind of have
golf. They know they have him at

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least for two more years with that
tag. Now, you don't want to

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alienate him. You want to show
him the love. But I think that

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the agent's going, we want Jalen
Hurts money around fifty to fifty one.

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I think the Lions are probably,
and this is just speculation, probably around

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forty six forty seven, just above
Watson and Murray. So it's probably where

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we're at right now. Makes sense
to me. You know he'll be hearing

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the love from the fans at the
draft tonight, is they'll be channing his

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name. I think the answer to
this question is yes, the Brad Holmes

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at twenty nine, you think he's
moving up. You think he's moving down,

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you think he's staying at twenty nine. What's your feel right now as

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you look to what the Lions might
do tonight? You know, Dennis,

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I don't want to get over dramatic, right, but like, if you're

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going downtown tonight and you're gonna be
out there in the cold, and it's

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midnight or whatever it is, and
the Lions are on the clock and you're

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so excited and you've been drinking since
four get prepare yourselves for whom that says

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raiders on the clock or bills on
the clock, and it's like, wait,

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what I've waited all night for our
pick? I think he's trading back,

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I really do. I don't think
it's the lock. I don't think

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there's but I just think there's probably
fifteen twenty guys on their board with the

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first round grade. And if they're
all gone, and let's say this kool

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Aid McKinstry foot injury is real and
maybe he's slide, maybe you can get

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kool aid later and accumulate picks.
I mean, that's just a sense that

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I get. When you're at twenty
nine. We know they're right in front

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of them, the bills have got
to take a wide receiver. Well what

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if Brad loves ad Mitchell and he
goes to pick before then what do they

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do? So a lot of intrigued
there. But if I had a guess,

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I would say maybe a trade down
and getting a couple more second rounders,

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because as we know, Brad Holmes
the last couple of years has feasted

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on second rounders. At dari speaks
on Twitter. He is the host of

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the Lockdown Lions pod. I hope
that there's a guy with a nickname Cornbread.

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They can get a kool Aid and
a Cornbread, Wo'd be off and

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running. What if you've probably have
been asked a few times to participate in

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mock drafts and you don't have the
opportunity to move back or move up.

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Who are the players or the player
that you continue to select when you are

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put under the gun and have to
pick at twenty nine knowing what Holmes may

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do to give people the gauge And
you mentioned a few names already, Yeah,

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you know. We did a Lockdown
host mock draft that we do every

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year with all the hosts of all
the shows around the league and kool Aid.

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McKinstry was my pick at twenty nine
because he fell to them, and

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really because he visited here because they
could use another corner who couldn't use another

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corner after the Cam Sutton incident and
releasing I just that was who I took.

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I've seen the name Brayden Fisk a
lot lately as a possibility, and

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there's a lot of talk around the
league about Johnny Newton from Illinois dropping somehow

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dropping to twenty nine. And if
that's the case, I think Brad Holmes

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would run the card up there quickly
because Newton for some teams are the top

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fifteen player. But that could be
intriguing as alignment. We know Brad loves

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to stock up on offensive and defensive
linemen, So those are some names that

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I think to keep an eye on
if they're going to stay at twenty nine.

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But again, I think Brad likes
to throw a curveball at us.

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I mean, who had Jamiir Gibbs
and Jack Campbell last year at twelve and

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eighteen? Then nobody right, So
no, there's always going to be a

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surprise with Brad. But he's done
so well in the draft. I said

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it on my show the other day. Twenty three picks he's made in three

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years, twenty two of them are
still on the roster. That's insane.

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That is well, we're out of
time. But you know, I think

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that you've nailed it when you look
at the different positions they could go back.

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But you've mentioned defensive end, defensive
tackle, corner, of the possibility

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of taking aligneman, even a center, a wide receiver. It is a

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real blank canvas here for Holmes.
But if I'm pinning you down final thing,

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you think that it's likely that Holmes
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bit because of the clut of players
that he'll have on his board, he'll

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be able to pick up an extra
selection and pick tomorrow. I do,

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And I think if Pennix and Nicks
are still on the board at twenty nine,

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and you've got the Raiders and one
of these other teams that needs a

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quarterback, you might be able to
really leverage that into maybe an extra couple

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of picks and their second round er. So keep an eye on that.

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And you just bring up a very
good point, Dennis, What about the

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future of Frank rag Now what about
the future of Taylor Decker. Decker's contract

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is up out of this year.
You know, the Lions love him and

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he loves them, but that was
not a Brad Holmes draft pick. Taylor

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Decker was drafted by the previous regime, so you know, you never know.

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Rag now after last year was kind
of playing retirement to the ball the

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injury. So stocking up on a
good interior old lineman or tackle for the

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future. Keep an eye on that
as well. Bolls. Keep an eye

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on your Twitter feed. Look like
you were having dinner with like thirty people

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at the fanciest restaurant in town.
I'd love that. We love you ds.

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You're doing a great job on the
Lockdown Lions pod. Continues success and

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thanks for joining us this morning on
Axes and bros. All. He's good

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to chat with you, Dennis Op
You and Mab and the crew are doing

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trade back. I get sitting there and

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wanting a selection, but just walk
yourself through it. You're down there,

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you're enjoying the entire day whatever libation, and maybe you're just eating hot dogs

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pizza waiting for the draft. But
you get to the very end, and

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if the commissioner comes up there at
twenty nine and says there's a trade,

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you know that the possibility is going
to be there. I think you'll know

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even before that what happens at the
end of the draft. Every year we

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have looked at ten twenty maybe even
more mock drafts, and so we all

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have these ideas of where these players
are going to be picked, and inevitably

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there's three or four players that drop
and you'll be sitting there and you'll be

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thinking, Wow, I can't believe
that this Cooper dejene is sitting right there

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for the Lions to take. This
is going to be the easiest selection ever.

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They will sprint the card up there
and they will take it, and

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they will take the gene and they'll
be happy and they'll get an A plus

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and you know you're gonna go into
the night feeling great. But the thing

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is as that Brad Holmes the part
of the things, and we find this

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out during the draft, and then
thereafter when you start having guys falling on

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what happens usually they say, oh, it's medicals. There's going to be

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a couple of these guys that are
being talked about, you know, Matt

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Darry Alread talked about kool Aid,
m Kinstrey, maybe a foot. The

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Lions list is going to look vastly
different with what they know with their medicals

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on the players, what have they
brought them in, whether they've had a

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chance, and you know, the
guys that they're targeting to feel like they

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have, you got the clean medicals, and it just gets to where you're

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in the catbird seat when you're one
of the last picks. Certainly, it's

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nice to be a top five pick. You're getting the superstars and all that.

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You're going, goy, god,
you need a quarterback. You're flipping

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out, or it's you know,
here's the future all that. But when

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you're at the back of the draft, the draft just comes to you and

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you sit there. There's gonna be
a bevy of players, and then the

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chance with other teams because you get
that extra year if you're a first round

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pick. Teams that want to come
back up late in the first round,

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and so seeing the Lions just moving
back, and because it's at the very

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tail end. Now you know,
if the Lions were picking ten and they

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moved out of the first round,
well then it's like it's over for you.

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You know, just this Lions fan. You're excited, Hey, number

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ten pick, there's been a train
and then you find out that the Lions

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have moved out, and of course
they can always move back in, but

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you're just sitting back. You're like, oh, this sucks. But if

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you've waited all night and then you're
sitting there, then you just only have

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to wait a couple more picks,
and then it makes tomorrow not much more

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exciting because then you're gonna be flushed
and you're gonna have more picks. And

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you're also reminded pretty quickly that the
Lions moved back last year took Jamier Gibbs

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picked up an extra selection from the
Cardinals early in the second round, where

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the Detroit Lions selected Sam Laporta,
who is now the best tight end in

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the NFL. So you talk yourself
through all of that and you understand exactly

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what the Lions are gonna do.
It's tough to do when you sit there

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when it gets to be about twenty
five and you're looking at five players and

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you're like, Wow, the Lions
are gonna get a great player. These

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guys are being talked about in the
early teens. This guy was talking about

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as a top ten pick. I
don't know if that's gonna be the case,

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but there's gonna be a few of
the guys gonna be there, and

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you're gonna look and you can say, wow, all of these guys nobody

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thought was gonna be there, and
they're there, And then Holmes, Can

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you know, do what Holmes does
and make that move? How about that?

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That's where we're said not you know, the the buzz in general about

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this draft, of course, is
going to be the quarterbacks. I think

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it's easily locked in where we know
Caleb Williams that is a one chance that

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he is being selected by the Bears. I also think that Daniels. Daniels

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makes you so much sense for the
commanders everything when you look at what he

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was able to do at LSU last
year. Those guys have separated. So

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now we're talking about the m and
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You know, certainly they can talk
about moving out. When you get

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a shot to get a franchise quarterback, as we have discussed all morning,

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you don't have one and you're in
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So whether they like May or McCarthy, whatever they're thinking, whatever Mayo,

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the other MD there, the head
coach now is thinking along with the

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front office there in New England.
It could be JJ, it could be

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Bay, but I think we're all
pretty sure that it's going to be three

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quarterbacks to come off the board.
So then you go to Arizona, Arizona.

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If there was just this one wide
receiver, I certainly could use a

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wide receiver for Kyler Murray. But
since this particular draft has three for sure

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things in wide receivers, and Marv
Harrison junior of Doonsey and the player that

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seemingly every every UH Draftnick every GM
telling people behind the scenes Malik Neighbors might

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be better than all of them,
it behooves the Cardinals to move. Someone's

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coming up to four to get either
May or McCarthy. I'm gonna lock that

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in for you. I'm gonna lock
four quarterbacks one, two, three and

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four. I'm gonna lock that in
for you. Another intriguing part, and

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it's not just that he was the
coach at Michigan, but it is Captain

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Khaki who's sitting there at five.
If four quarterbacks go, then Jim Harbaugh

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company are sitting there. Are they
gonna take? Is Jim Harbaugh gonna take

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Maserati Buckeye Marvin Harrison. Now you
can say, yeah, well you know

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it's quarterback Justin Herbert, the guy
rid of Keenan Allen. They need a

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wide receiver. But again, there's
three of them there. I see Harbaugh

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moving out, not just because he's
a buck eye. I just think he's

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moving out. All right, I'll
give you some more predictions on how this

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thing is going to go. Of
course, I want to hear from you

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this Draft Day twenty twenty four of
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We are taking your call. How
okay are you with a trade down

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for the Detroit Lions, that and
anything else as you're thinking about with this

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draft tonight eight six six eight three
eight forty eight forty three on the Meyer

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Hotline eight six six eight three eight
four eight four three. As we draw

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cli to the Bears making their selection
of Caleb Williams, Caleb Williams, Jayden

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Daniels, it's going to be either
Drake may or JJ McCarthy at three.

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I predict that four that the Cardinals
aren't moving out in whichever quarterback that the

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Pats don't take. You've got the
g Men, the Vikings, the Broncos,

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the Raiders, you could make a
case maybe for the Saints, all

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trying to move up. Teams are
going to be moving up, trying to

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get one of the this is a
four quarterback draft up towards the top.

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And then you're looking at Nicks being
in the mix, with Pennix also being

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in the mix. Whether that's going
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one of those guys falls into the
twenties, but I'm thinking that it is

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going to be sick quarterbacks selected.
And then I also think with the Chargers

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sitting there at five, knowing Jim
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take a wide receiver necessarily at five. I think Jim Harbaugh wants an offensive

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lineman. And I think that he
can sell that to Justin Herbert and saying,

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look, yeah, this is a
three wide receiver draft, and there

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are some great ones right there,
but we're running the football to protect you.

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And I think Harbaugh sells. I
think Harbaugh is going to sell Herbert

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on an offensive lineman, and then
the possibility of looking at the tight ends

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in this draft. I think Harbaugh
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bit. I think a guy I
don't know how much he's being talked about,

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we know that he's a great player. One thing about Harbaugh is that

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we've known that he has game plan, that he has seen Marvin Harrison Junior

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up front and center, seeing Ohio
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I also think O doonsay for Washington, whether you think he's better than neighbors

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or not. Three wide receivers,
whatever, you know, your taste is

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a doonsay. Playing for Washington,
he had to game plan for him and

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the other player to think about that
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I think Bowers ends up with a
lightning bolt on the side of his

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helmet. All right, Before we
read some of the texts, let's get

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to the phones and we welcome in
John on Exes and Bros. On the

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Michigan Sports Network. Hey, John, Hey, how's the going? What

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can't be going any better? John? As I wait for the draft?

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You know, yeah, I totally
agree. I'm actually driving out there right

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now. Now you're talking, John, You're out your way to the draft

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at eight thirty nine in the morning. That's what I'm That's what I like

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to hear. Yeah, I'm I'm
actually media credentialed. I'm an NFL draft

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to handle is so getting out there, getting set up. I'll be on

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media row. I'm ready to go. I'm jazz. They got my coffee.

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I've been studying these prospects for months. I'm ready. Let's do it.

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Well, let me ask you.
I just gave you my thoughts here

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at the top of the draft.
I think that the four quarterbacks that includes

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JJ McCarthy. They're gonna go one
through four and then I think the Chargers

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are moving out. How do you
think about that prediction is? How does

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that sit with you? I think
it's I think it's a great fit.

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I've been talking about the Chargers of
the trade down candidate for a while.

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You know, whether the Cardinals sticke
at for and take Marvin Harrison junior and

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then a team like Minnesota is super
aggressive and moving up to get JJ McCarthy,

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I think there's going to be a
market for the fifth overall pick.

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I think that what the Chargers need, like you were just talking about,

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I think they need offensive line.
So I think they would be happy to

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move down to that like ten to
twelve range, pick up some added capital

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to kind of retool for Jim Harbaugh
and get a really really solid offensive lineman

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to go at right tackle, because
left tackle sets for the Chargers. So

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a name to watch for the Chargers
in my opinion, to lose Sulaga offensive

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tackle out of Oregon State, who
has been a career right tackle, but

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a very very very good one,
I think it would be a natural fit

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for him to plug in on the
right side for Justin Herbert to protect him.

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I think you're on it. And
the only thing that Jim Harbaugh likes

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more than a big fat tackle is
a big fat, you know, defensive

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lineman. That's what he wants,
and I think that's where the focus is

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gonna be. And as much as
we can sit around. Yeah, you

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know, great players win in wide
receivers, Harball, he knows that you

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win, and the way he wants
to win is with line play and a

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quarterback and even know that wide receiver. You say, what about Herbert?

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He needs one and you'd like to
have one of those top three or you

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would like to have Bowers. I'm
I'm with you on that. I think

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he's moving out. What about the
Lions, John, what do you think

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they do at twenty nine? They
could go defensive tackle, defensive ends,

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safety, quarter offensive line, wide
receiver, you know your pick? What

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do you want? Yeah, the
lines are a super interesting team because they

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are really good all of a sudden, and I've been you know, I've

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been really impressed with what they've done
for the last couple of years. They've

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built from the trenches out, which
is how I think Jim Harbaugh and the

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Chargers are going to do it.
Like just said that same conversation, you

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built from the trenches out. The
Lions are a great model of success for

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having done that. Now they're competing
and they're young. I think it's great.

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I think that the Chargers are going
to look at that and be like,

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yeah, this is a it's hope
we need to do. You got

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to build some of the trenches out
and get on line that first. So

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that's why I like them to go
offense now, especially if they can straight

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down if you big. The Lions
are interesting because now you're in win now

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MO, you're a team that's being
talked about as arguably the best team in

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the NFC, if not one of
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I still like them to go trenches. I just I can't shape the feeling.

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I think interior offense. The line
is an interesting conversation for the Lions

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and Jackson Power as Johnson career starters
center for University of Oregon is a name

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that I like for them because the
injury offensive line is set. But you've

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got a couple of guys just on
one year deal. I think that he

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can start day one at guard,
or he can learn and be a rotational

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guy in case of injury and ends
up taking over at center or guard as

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early as next year to be a
franchise cornerstone on the off that line.

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That and you put him with his
college teammate Pinnet Duel, which is just

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pretty fun. Yeah, it sounds
like a prudent pick. The only thing

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I don't like about that is that
it almost feels like you're accepting that Frank

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Ragnow is going to retire, which
he might. You know, he's gonna

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have difficulties with his foot or his
toe. And it's as much as Sewell

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is the anchor and the you know, the big time player on that line,

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rag Now is there right behind him. And I know you got to

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prepare for the future and everything else, but a very prudent pick if it

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ends up going that way, John, give me one, Give me one

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more. I got another question for
you. Now, give me a bust,

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give me a sleeper. As you
take a look at tonight, a

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guy that you would not take because
you think he's going to be a bust.

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And then somebody didn't have to be
at the thirty two that are mentioned

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often but certainly can be somebody who
thinks just as an absolute lock. Yeah,

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so I'm always pro player, right, I'm rooting for success for all

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these guys. You hope that all
of them live out their dreams. Right,

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they make it to the NFL,
they're able to be a long time

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starter. I was very high on
the amman Rod Saint Brown hype trained in

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that Tree draft cycle. I thought
he should have gone in the second round,

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getting him in the fourth with the
steal for the Lions. Alde receiver

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that I think is being hyped up
a little bit too much in this draft

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class is ad Mitchell at a University
of Texas. I like him. I

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think he's obviously over athletic. He
had a great combine, but I think

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that he's still a little bit of
raw to be talked about as a first

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round take a sleeper. If I'm
the Lions and they want to wait on

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offensive line on the interior, that's
tough. It's the name of being talked

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about a lot. But I'm really
high on Zach Frazier as well as an

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interior offensive lineman for the Lions.
In particular, I think Brad Holmes showed

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last year that he doesn't care what
anyone else thinks, and he's gonna do

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what he thinks gives his team the
best chance to win. So I wouldn't

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be surprised if we saw him be
aggressive tonight and move up in the draft.

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I know a trade down Kad absolutely
happen to occur. Some more value

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and the Jackson powers Johnson conversation is
a prudent choice, like you said,

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but I wouldn't be surprised to see
him be aggressive and move up for a

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defensive back that he really likes.
And I like Terry on Arnold a lot

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out of Alabama, so that could
be a name where if he starts slipping

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a little bit, gets into the
mid to late teams, I could see

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Brad Holmes getting a little bit of
an Ischy trigger and going up and getting

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them John I love it. I
can tell well that you do know what

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you're talking about when it comes to
the draft. Enjoy it, and I

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think what we have on tap is
the most intriguing draft of all time and

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certainly nationally with it being in Detroit
for the first time, there's going to

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be no argument there. Great job
and enjoy yourself tonight in Detroit. Safe

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travels. And you know, as
I look at it and thinking about I

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see Peter Schrager who has just released
his final mock draft. He has the

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Lions. And one thing about Shreger
is that he's not somebody that's just making

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his picks by watching film and watching
the college game. He makes his picks

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based on who he's talking with from
these cities for personnel that is working with

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these teams. That's his thing,
and not that you know he's nailing this

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draft or anything, but I find
it interesting as I look at Schrager's final

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mock that has just been put out, that he has the Detroit Lions moving

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up from twenty nine to twenty one
and taking the defensive end from Florida State

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Jared Verse. Now, just over
these last two days of being here and

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talking with the people and asking about
players that they wanted to see, the

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majority of the people have picked defensive
end. Whether it's either of the Robinson

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Darius Robinson or Chop Robinson or the
defensive end from UCLA Ltto. These a

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been the Jared Verse has been mentioned, and here's Jared Verse Schrager thinking that

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the Lions would move up. Now, my own pick was Cooper dejen from

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Iowa, the safety who could come
down and play Nickel who you leave them

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at? You can put him over
at corner. I like that flexibility.

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I know a lot of teams are
gonna like that as well. Would the

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Lions want to move up for CD? Is he gonna fall in their lap

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at twenty nine? Probably? Maybe? I mean I'd say probably not,

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but maybe I look at it like
that. Let's hit that text at When

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you text sports Radio to twenty one
thousand, Ben Zost is reading those Ben

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what are the people saying via text? Says? How do we know that

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Hendon Hooker isn't that guy? We
need to wait and see what he can

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do before we go on to another
quarterback. Goff has done a great job

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and the Lions don't need to rebuild
a quarterback quarterback position right now. Yeah,

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well, you're right about Hooker.
What there's a couple of things about

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Hooker. The first thing that jumps
out at you if you watched him,

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whether it was at Virginia Tech or
Tennessee where in his final year he was

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the sec Offensive Player of the Year. You know he's got the size,

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and you know that he has the
arm. You also know that he got

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hurt and that's why he fell a
little bit in the draft, and so

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the Lions could be patient with him. You just wonder how much work that

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he has really had. The other
thing is that he is twenty six years

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old, So it's not like we're
sitting here talking about Hendon Hooker who came

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out early, who's been around for
a year, and he's twenty two.

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Linshit of a pretty good idea where
that knee is at and what he is

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going to do now, It is
just I look at it like this.

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Certainly they got some value there,
a guy that you could have argued could

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have been a first round a certainly
a second rounder if he didn't have that

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knee injury. So they're gonna see
what they've got there. This is a

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chance that they might have something here. But I think with the discussion earlier

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about Jared Goff going into this final
year, if he doesn't want to go

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with a number at forty five and
he's dead set at something in the fifty

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millions range, that the Lions could
play the game of all right, let's

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let this play out, and then
they could tag him. Now tagging quarterbacks,

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tagging any position, there's some risk
involved tagging a quarterback just with everything

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that goes into it. Every time
the guy throws it a complete pass eight,

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don't tag him, or we're getting
rid of him not having the security.

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It just opens up the questions you
think people are pouncing on Jared Goff

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talking about oh, people are being
a little bit negative now he's walking it

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back, or Brad Holmes pulling out
receipts about the people are gonna we'll flip

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if he's going into his final year
and they don't have a contract, that's

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all anybody's gonna be talking about left
and right when it comes down to golf.

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That's why teams like to get those
guys done before that. But the

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ability to possibly tag him talking about
golf next year is out there. If

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they don't want to say Lions friendly, I mean it is golf friendly.

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It's friendly to everyone, maybe not
to the agent who is gonna be dead

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set on fifty mil. Hey,
don't forget Matt Sheppard, who is normally

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the voice you hear, I mean
through your radio. He is going to

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be the MC at Soaring Eagle Casino
tonight for an NFL Draft part. He

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will also be live from there tomorrow
morning as he conducts and he is the

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EMBc of this very program, xes
and bros and reacts to whatever he sees,

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and how it all plays out in
the NFL Draft of Detroit tonight.

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Interesting to me when I just think
about Shep and I think about this draft,

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which is going to start a little
bit after eight o'clock and the Lion's

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picking at twenty nine, and then
I think about him opening the mic at

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six o'clock in the morning and then
being up at Mount Pleasant. That's not

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a lot of hours for Shep to
sleep. How Shep goes about getting rest

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for tomorrow's show while taking in everything
in the draft is a topic in and

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of itself. I want to thank
everyone for calling, texting, listening over

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these last two days. Has been
my pleasure to be here. Really want

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to thank ben Zos. Ben great
job, You're a pro. I had

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00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:15.039
fun working with you. Maybe we'll
be able to do it again down the

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line. Uh. Thanks to Matt
Shepherd for calling me in from the bullpen

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that is going to do it.
Enjoy the draft tonight. I'm going to

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you know, I know I'm not
in a limo, headed down in a

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suite or anything else. Credentialed NFL
media. I'll have my TV with a

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couple extra TVs watching the playoffs as
well. All right, take care,

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that's gonna do it. Xes and
Bros. Dennis Fithian saying Happy Draft Day.

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