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And welcome. You are listening to
the Financial Survival Network. I'm your

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host, Carrie Leutz. I am
here at the ric Rual Symposium. We're

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meeting with a lot of mining companies, metals dealers, and of course my

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good friend here you know, and
well Donegan Kaiser and done again. Hey,

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we have a lot of history here, Yeah, it goes back quite

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a way, as Carrie, because
you're the one who actually got my son

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Elijah to the big time in podcasting. Gosh, that was like thirteen years

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ago, and then he got me
into it. And here we are today

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and I'm at the second time in
a row we've met at the Rural Symposium.

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Yeah. So things for the economy, the political system globally not looking

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overwhelmingly positive, to put it charitably. What's your take on what's happening as

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far as the economy goes, it
seems like we're struggling to get off our

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knees, as bank director Alistair McLoud, whom we interviewed recently and frequently on

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our channel, would say, because
there are so many areas of we've had

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it. We've just come out of
four years of broken supply chains from all

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the lockdowns and all that crazy stuff. But it seems that during that time,

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the era of unfettered access to liquidity
and low artificially low interest rates and

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everything that buoyed a lot of the
expansion of the financial world over the past

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four decades has made a title shift, and he's not expecting it to go

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back. And people have been lulled
into complacency, often by their mainstream analysts

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and financial advisors and everyone saying that
all they have to do is ride out

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the dips and just stay invested in
the market and that sort of thing.

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But companies there's something like, as
active money manager Michael Pento tells that like

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forty percent of companies up to that
are zombie companies. They can't even afford

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enough. You don't have enough earnings
to pay the interest on their obligations,

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their business loans, and now they're
facing having to refinance those business loans that

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were at very low percentage too much
higher interest rates, and that's going to

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be an incredible stressor first in those
companies. But if they can walk away

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from some of that, like corporate
real estate and non recourse loans and that

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sort of thing, all of a
sudden, that flows upstream to the banks

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who issued that, who took on
that, that the obligation, and that

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means the banks that were already you
know, last year in twenty twenty three,

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we had three of the largest it
was actually the second, third,

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and fourth largest bank failures in the
history of our country. And that was

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just nothing compared to some analyses have
come out with somewhere between six hundred and

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one thousand additional banks that are in
as bad or worse state than the three

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that failed last year. And when
these commercial loans start getting abdicated on by

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the companies and the banks are holding
the bag, it's going to be a

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horrific site for people. You and
I were just talking before we started this

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recording session about people's reluctance to,
for example, get into owning real assets

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like physical precious metals, that sort
of thing, because they're unfamiliar with or

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uncomfortable with the idea of how am
I going to protect my treasure. You

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work hard, you save, you
try to do all the responsible things for

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a lifetime, and you amass this
nest egg and you think, well,

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it's safe because we live in the
strongest financial country and the world has ever

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seen. And I've got in all
the diversified ETFs and everything like I'm supposed

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to be, and somehow all my
deposits in the banks, and my deposits

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in the brokerage accounts, and my
stock shares and the brokerage accounts are all

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where my treasure is. And some
people also think that their retirement pension plans

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and retirement funds are going to protect
them. But those folks are often invested

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in the US Treasury bond that the
rest of the world is turning their back

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on now that we've seen them use
as weapons in this sort of global financial

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war. So it's going to be
very different times we're heading into and a

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lot of unknowns. But one thing
that I think we can safely say is

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the next forty years do not look
like the last forty years. So if

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you play the next financial war by
the old rules, you're likely to end

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up with. The best analogy I
can think of is when Hitler's tanks were

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rolling in across Poland in nineteen thirty
eight nineteen thirty nine, and they came

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out on horseback with their catboard,
ready to fight World War One all over

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at the best cavalry in the world, Poland. Yeah so, but I

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guess at panz Er it doesn't stand
up for a while, and it seems

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that we're a lot of people just
trying to survive financially, are using the

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tools and the techniques that have proven
themselves worthwhile over the last forty years.

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But we're in a new regime here
and things are likely to be extremely different

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going forward. Yeah. So,
the average person I've found living here in

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Florida, maybe even more so so
many retirees, really doesn't have a clue

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about what potentially can happen here.
That's a big problem I'm really concerned about

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personally. I mean, that's when
I founded my channel way back in twenty

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thirteen, calling it Reluctant Preppers.
The idea of preparedness is as simple as

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the old boy Scout rule be prepared, which is, you know, if

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life can bring unexpected and it does. And the old sayings like I'd rather

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be seven years earlier than one day
late, or having two is like having

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none, and having one is like
having zero. Because things break down,

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you should have a spare if you
think about it the most simplistic, and

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Florida is a good time to think
about that. And we're heading into the

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summer hurricane season here, and it's
absolutely prudent to prepare a head and think,

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where's my water supply, my food
supply, what am I going to

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do for shelter? How well am
I set up? How well do I

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know my neighbors and my network and
my community where we could help each other

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in times of urgency. But that's
just on a physical, natural disaster type

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situation. But for this what you
said about retirees, and Florida's got a

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lot of those, I'm really concerned
that the vast, vast majority of people

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are woefully underprepared for the type of
volatility that's likely to come, based on

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all of the experts that we interview, because they think that their Social Security

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payments and their pension and their certificates
of deposit and their bonds and their bank

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accounts and their stock accounts are going
to carry them through, and there's real

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reason to be very concerned about all
of those. As many analysts who are

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telling the truth have been saying,
we're in the bubble of everything, and

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this has never happened before in our
country, where stocks and bonds and real

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estate are simultaneously in a three way
bubble, where we don't have any of

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those asset classes functioning effectively as hedges
against volatility in the others, and that

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leaves precious metals as one of the
rare remaining hedges. But most people have

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no idea about that. It's been
three generations since it was common understanding that

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you put the fruits of your labor
in your pocket as cold, hard cash,

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and that's how you're going to protect
your family's finances over the generations going

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forward. But people who are learning
the Lesson and Rick rule tells us it's

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less than one half of one percent
are going to be better prepared from a

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preparedness standpoint for what's coming, no
matter how unknown it is, are how

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volatile it is. Then those who
are trying to navigate the waters ahead based

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on the old rules, Hey,
it just reminds me that old saying better

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to have a gun and not need
it than to need a gun and not

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have it. Right, It's exactly
right. Yeah. So this this is

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an example. Andy Sheckman just gifted
me with this yesterday. This isn't eighteen

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eighty four American silver dollar. It
contains zero point seven one five ounces of

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pure silver. And the thing about
this is that this was worth one dollar

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back in eighteen eighty four, and
now it's probably worth forty dollars. And

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so the question is what changed.
This didn't change. This is still one

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ounce of earth three quarters of an
ounce of silver. But what changed was

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the dollars going down the drain.
And even when I was a kid,

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the saying was a bucket worth what
it used to be. But that rate

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of change in the value of the
degradation of value of a dollar is accelerating

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a hockey sticket as the I won't
call it the money supply. They have

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every called the FRED calls it the
money supply. If you go to the

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Saint Louis feder Reserve, you can
see charts on the hockey stimp of the

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what they call the money supply,
but it's the currency supply. And that

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supply. And that's and that's how, that's how our lives became connected because

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my homeschooled son, Elijah, came
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as a fifth grade homeschooler, dad, where does money come from? And

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there down the rabbit hole we went
and uh and what what he turns out

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to what he was actually asking without
knowing it was where does currency come from?

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And why does it? Why do
we act like it has value and

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that sort of thing. How does
it? How is it that people are

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willing to exchange it for real things? And the times are coming, according

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to many that we interview, when
people will not be willing to exchange real

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things for our current currency that really
doesn't have any intrinsic value. So what's

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you're feeling about crypto's? Crypto the
solution for all that els Bitcoin ethereum and

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name your others. I just got
done reading the book by Michael Lewis about

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Sam Bankman, Freed and FTX,
and it was quite hysterical because, on

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the one hand, it's kind of
like he represents the dichotomy in society,

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you know, having this knowledge,
this extreme knowledge, the grasp of mathematics,

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and yet not understanding the basics of
economy and reality. It's a split.

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You know. There's a saying like
where a society where we keep learning

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more and more about less and less
specialization, right right? Yeah, Well,

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it may be well true that cryptos
may play a significant role in our

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financial lives, whether we like it
or not going forward. One thing that

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many people will tout about bitcoin is
that it's supposedly decentralized, rather than the

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specter of central bank digital currencies such
as might be issued by the Federal Reserve

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or others, which would be basically
controlling and tracking every single move of your

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financial life. The concern about central
bank digital currencies is that there's no way

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to get out of the system.
People say, well, I'll just go

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take my money out of the bank. It's like, if it's a central

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bank digital currency, it only exists
in their system. There is no taking

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it out of the bank. Is
not like a dollar bill. No,

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you can't. There's no physical manifestation
of it that you can say, now

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I'm off the grid, I'm out
of the system, and I'll do it

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as I please privately because it only
exists inside the system. The promise of

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bitcoin is that it that it would
not be controlled in that manner by centralized

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authorities, but it would be decentralized
in their former democratic and that's certainly preferable.

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There's the factory means that it's only
usable for interchange and that sort of

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thing when you have electricity and you
have working computers and you can and you

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can do those of transactions. So
there's many kinds. I'll give you a

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little little example where we walked into
and some of our subscribers have heard this

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one before, but my wife and
I walked into our favorite locally owned breakfast

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cafe where they always treat you like
it's home and you feel very welcome and

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that sort of thing. But we
couldn't even get a seat at the time,

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when in normally would have been a
problem. And I said, ask

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the person at the hostesstand, why
can't we be seated? She said,

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because no one can leave. I
said, well, what do you mean

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no one can leave because they can't
pay. They can't pay the credit card

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system is down. She said,
Those two that had cash on them were

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able to pay and leave, but
everybody else is having to hang around because

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they can't pay. And she said, we said, well, we have

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cash, so anyway, But the
point is that it's not just cash,

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it's it's when you have precious metals, you have the real thing. So

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it's that that cash has always been
a icon of or a substitute for to

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make it transactional. There's there are
ways coming now to make to make things

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transactional that may past that. The
question is what's the underlying value. So

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I think there's likely to be a
role for cryptos going forward. It's certainly

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showing a lot of resilience, volatility, but a lot of resilience over the

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decades. When we met at the
it was a second Liberty Mine Mastermind symposium

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the co hosted in Las Vegas,
Nevada, where there was quite a lively

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discussion about cryptos versus solid assets like
precious metal as a way of storing your

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wealth. And there may be a
role for both and I think time will

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tell. But so it may be
prudent to at least have your foot in

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that in that door. Yeah,
I buy a little bit every Sunday night,

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just so I got some skin in
the game, so I could talk

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about it as like somebody who you
know, actually you know, doesn't just

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talk the talk, but walks the
walk. And there's people in the gold

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and silver space that own none.
They just own some stocks and they hold

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themselves out as experts. So when
we have this conversation next year, God

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willing, we're both here at the
Rules symposium, what do you think we'll

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be talking about. There's a lot
that's going to go on. I'm afraid

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between now and this time next year, the presidential election in the US is

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likely to be contested and divisive,
and that's a concern for the for the

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civil functioning of our of our republic. We've got crisis points nearer than we've

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ever seen them in terms of the
banking system and corporate debt that both would

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reflect. I mean, all it
would take is for there to be an

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unexpected bank closure where we get We
got to notice back after the global financial

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crisis from our brokerage firm saying until
further notice, your access to the funds

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in your money market account, which
was called the reserve fund, are suspended

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until further notice. And we called
them up and said, hey, there

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must be some because we're not in
the stock market, we're not invested.

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They said, well, you may
not be. You thought you were in

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this this money market fund, which
you were, but it was invested in

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Layman Brothers on the backside, so
it's collaterally damaging them. Until further notice,

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you don't have access to your fund. So when Mom and Pa Kettle

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in Main Street, USA, get
that Monday morning or Sunday night, notice

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that until further notice your bank access
to your bank accounts has been suspended.

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I think a light bulb will go
on for people that unless you hold it,

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you really don't. You really don't
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know. It's like having no debt
and getting a margin call. But wait,

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I'm totally solvent on liquid I don't
owe anything and I just got this

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margin call. What uh? And
that's what we're up against? Hey,

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done again? Where do we find
you? How do we connect with you?

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On the web? Look at look
for Liberty and finance all spelled out

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all one word liberty onfinance dot com. That's our web page. Also,

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we're on YouTube, rumble right on
SoundCloud, all of the place, gab

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getter at Liberty and Finance. You'll
find us there and we'd be glad to

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have you as subscribers. Hey,
and congrats on getting one hundred k subs

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from our digital overlords over at the
Alphabet Corporation there. We're always appreciated to

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any breadcrumbs they're willing to throw us. One has to wonder how many subs

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you would actually have had had they
treated us like they treat cat videos.

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You know, I'm just starting to
learn a little bit more about these mysterious

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algorithms that grant or deny impressions and
click throughs and all that sort of thing.

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And I had some very interesting conversations
with two of those people who worked

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in that company just this past week
about that, and got an eye opening

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conversation about the conversation. I'll just
I'll just throw a breadcarmb out there,

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just that it involved me the answer
to my question of why did this happened

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and why didn't that happen? How
come this was ineligible? And they said,

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actually, we don't know because it
was our AIS. Blame it on

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the AI. Yeah, it's the
algorithm that decided and we don't even know.

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We can't even tell you where you
where you step the foul of the

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line. I said, just tell
us at what point in this discussion the

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wrong thing was said so that we
can be aware of that going forward,

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and they said, actually, we
think it might be this or it might

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be that. So this is a
it's a very chilling effect on many people,

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some who got actually deep platform,
some who just got shadow band that

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sort of thing to think. Do
you how do you have to self edit

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so that you can escape that?
And we have noticed that certain individuals whom

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we interview where we'll get a very
high click through percentage rate. Once somebody

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does get an impression, but it's
that they're not getting the impressions when that

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name, when that name is in
the is in the title of the interview.

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We have our ways of bypassing the
algorithm. However, sometimes they're expensive.

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I mean just recently, I used
to get hundreds of thousands of views.

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Now if I get five hundred or
one thousand now, granted there is

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more competition and maybe I could be
more current, but hey, discussion for

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another day. Appreciate you coming on. Got a question for done Again myself?

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Shoot me an email Klatcarrieluts dot com
and you'll find a link to done

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Again site on the on our site
Financial Survival Network dot com in the show

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Done again, We'll talk to you
again soon. Thanks Carrie, Thanks

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