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he actually reached out originally on our speak pipe message line. He left us
a voicemail and he wanted to join us and talk to us about the state
of our country. And let's just bring him on without any further Ado.
Let's welcome Surge. Surge. Thank you so much for joining us again tonight,
my friend. Hello, Welcome everyone. I appreciate the ability to speak
here tonight or to anyone at least what I actually wanted to do in the
beginning, and I actually got ahead of myself. I'm sorry if I'm interjecting
here. Now You're good. What I actually made George Hobbs do before he
actually started the show was I made him recite the Pledge of Allegiance, which
I recited since I was eight when I came to this country, and that
pledge of allegiance, if we could do that one more time, George,
absolutely my pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag the United States
of American America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God,
indivisi with liberty, liberty, injustice for all. What I wanted to actually
punctuate was and to the republic for which it stands. This is not a
democracy. This is a republic. And because we nowadays we only hear this
is a democracy. We want to make America democracy. This is a democratic
way. This we have to instill a democracy in this country, the other
country. This was not a democracy to begin with it. This was a
republic, that constitutional republic. Yeah, and people need to realize that words
have meaning in republic specifically means that the power is held by the people and
their elected representatives. But the people who are currently in DC think that they
hold all the power and we're supposed to obey them, right, yea,
yeah, yeah, But a lot of people don't understand that. They don't
know that, they can't comprehend that. I don't see and you you already
got me started, and I don't even know where to go from here.
You can go any direction that you went. I think you should first just
kind of give a little bit of background about yourself. You said you came
over here at the age of eight. Let the listeners know where you came
from, all right, Yeah, so I was about seven years old.
I was living my beautiful life in Ukraine, you know, just being a
little child running around not knowing what's good was bad? Right. My parents
decided to move to America because they had suffered religious persecution. So they moved
to America under the I think it was the was it the political It was
a the bishoty class, it was the asylum clause. Yeah. Yeah,
And I'm sorry because I kind of in my mind I have two languages,
so I have to switch between the two, right, But yeah, we
came here in nineteen ninety and we went all the way. So when we
left, we went from Ukraine to Austria. We stayed there for about six
weeks. Then we went to Italy. We stayed there for about six months
because the actual sponsor that wanted to sponsor us reneged on his offer. So
yeah, so we had to find a different sponsor that wanted to sponsor us,
and that took a bit of time, but that happened and we moved
to firm. Well, we went to actually from New York, New York
where everyone goes. Then we flew to Washington State. Oh wow. Yeah.
But after that point, I mean I went to school as an eight
year old like a regular guy. You know, a regular boy would whatever
it was to me. Let me say this right here. To me,
ketchup was a new idea. Wow, that ketch up. Those ketchup Pakistan
school, they were like treats. I used to hold those things and when
I was walking home from school, I just like popping him in my mouth.
And you know what I'm saying, it was it was a big deal,
awesome And can I ask what part of Ukraine you were in when you
grew up in Yeah, I was from Nicha, Okay, so it's about
it's about what sixty kilometers from Cave Okay, the capital of Ukraine. Yeah,
it's about an hour and a half drive. Not bad. And then
yeah, what what was the other question I was gonna ask you? Goodness,
I just it just completely slipped my mout. So you left in nineteen
ninety Correct me if I'm wrong? But was that? No? Hold on,
hold on, No, I left in the nineteen eighty nine, but
by that time I got to the US, it was nineteen ninety okay.
And then refresh my memory. When did the USSR split up? Was that
ninety one or was that ninety one? So basically, um, okay,
gotcha you left two years before broke up. Yep, gotcha? Okay.
And I understand that people think, oh, this guy, he left before
he even understood anything, before he even saw anything, before he could even
react to anything. For those people, I say, we all have family,
right, and we do have grandparents and parents that have lived before we
have, and they all have an understanding or a point of view that they
transfer or they give to us. So what I'm trying to say, I
guess is that whatever happened before I was seven or six, that my grandparents
and my parents instilled in me everything that happened in the USSR prior to me
leaving, certainly. Yeah, so that's that's the basis from where I'm speaking.
Is that actual knowledge that I understand. It could be conceived as second
hand, but in my in my eyes, when my grandpa told me something,
or if my dad told me something, or my mother said something,
that was a lot to me understand one hundred percent. And uh, you
know, my wife grew up in Hungary as well in the eighties, and
she she kind of understands and saw the same things waiting in line for medical
appointments. And I remember even when I was over there twenty five years ago,
speaking of ketchup and mustard, those things came in. I remember they
looked like toothpaste tubes, you're you're mustard and mayonnaise and all that. So
they were rare, right, Yeah. Yeah, So when I was on
the base there and Hungary and tazar Um, they would ask for me to
bring things from the commissary there, like you know, ketch up and certain
drinks that they liked that they didn't have over there. So yeah, it
is a bit of a cultural difference for sure. Yeah, when were you
there? Actually I was there from March to um September of I think it
was two thousand, okay, so during deployment and basically yep, yep.
I actually I had orders, I'll station in Hawaii. I had orders to
go to Bosnia and Sarajevo. So I went to Fort Benning, Georgia for
two weeks, did my training. Then they flew me to Germany. Then
I landed in Sarajevo and they said, oh your your your job. Just
moved to Bosnia, where I'm sorry, to Hungary. So I spent there
a week in Saraevo waiting for my new orders to be cut. Then I
flew up to Hungary and I spent the rest of you know, about five
five and a half months in a Hungary. Beautiful country like Balatone is so
beautiful. Yeah, it's I mean, I'm sorry. Europe is beautiful,
and I love America. We have so many we have so many beautiful monuments,
yea as as I I've driven around the country for years and I love
all the monuments we have I love all the historically significant points of interest that
we have in the country. Indeed, saying that, I do understand that
if anybody has visited let's say, Europe or anything else, we see that
there's so much more historically old pieces of architecture that is available or that exists
that we can view. Yeah. Sure that the United States is a baby
compared to Europe. Yeah. So, um, let's talk a little bit
about the reason that you wanted to come on here tonight, and that is
because a lot of people, even you know, we talked a little bit
before we started that even over the last three or four years, the tyranny
that's it's kind of been bestowed upon us here in this country and people aren't
seeing it. And you had mentioned, if I remember correctly, that America
today is like the USSR in the nineteen seventies. Yeah, so what I
noticed, let me backtrack, if I may. Sure. So, basically,
I came here. I was eight years old, you know, as
a fresh kid, like nothing in my mind. I didn't know anything,
you know. I came from one system, one social system, to a
different social system. Right. So I went to the first grade in the
prep schools and all that in the US s art and I seen how that
was played out. And when I came to America, the first thing that
I remember, and this is honest to God, So when I came to
America, I was placed in the second rate because of my age. I
was already eight years old. Blah blah blah, you know. Um.
But the first thing I remember, I was at recess and we were doing
some just recess stuff, you know, children's stuff, and I called,
I called a black person a negro, and that black that person I wanted
to pick a fire with me because I called him a negro. Now again,
I would like to reiterate that I did not called him the N word,
right, Yeah, I just said negro because in my country, well
where I came from, negro was a negro, and I didn't know that
the other word was an actual insult to people of the black color or African
persuasion. So yeah, we had a fight, and after that, I
actually got a taste of American justice. There you go, There you go,
And that's something that I should have asked to begin with. When you
came over. You know, you're eight years old, How well did you
know the English language at that point, I did not know anything. So
everything I learned in and the first two years of living here was from the
public schools and all the language, everything, how I conduct myself. I
mean I went to ESL, which is like a little class for English as
a second language for all the people. Yeah, so I went there and
they basically taught me all the what I can do, what I can do,
how I speak, how I can't speak. So that was my first
route awakening because before that, I can say I could say something anything I
wanted to accept against the actual leaders of the country. Right. But besides
that, yeah, I can say whatever I want. Yeah, that's something
that doesn't go over very well in that part of the world. Um,
and look that that's we're getting dangerously close here. I mean, you saw
what happened on January sixth. I interviewed a guy last Tuesday, I interviewed
him from prison, and yeah, I think that's the point I wanted to
touch on. Man that Jeremy Brown, the political prisoner. Ye'res yeah,
you're just let's let's hold off on that, just yeah, for sure.
Absolutely, what do you want to touch on next? Uh? Basically,
so after we came in, we had all this stuff. So my my
dad when well, my parents when they came in, they had four children
with them, and we got an apartment. He got what's that called what's
the when you get benefits from the state, Yes, SSI or yeah,
like welfare? Yeah, yeah, there you go. Okay, Yeah,
so my dad was on welfare for a whole month before he found a job
and started doing something to actually make money on his own. Um, he
didn't like other people paying for him to be here. He didn't like other
people to be sponsoring him while he was an able bodied human that could work
for his own existence. Right, sure, No man wants to feel like
a charity case. Exactly, yeah, exactly. So from from that,
like I was only like a young teenage I didn't I wasn't even teenaged.
I just I just looked at that and I was like, Okay, so
this guy is doing this. And I treated the country that I was in
as a new land to explore, a new country to discover. And I
was treating that as a country with no restrictions, with no boundaries. It
was just free to explore, right up until I got pulled over for my
first violation, which was I I did not merge into the left hand turned
signal in the appropriate time. Yeah. And after that, I was like,
hold on sometimes wrong because this looks like the country I just left.
I was gonna say that cop must have a lot of time on his hand
to pull you over for that. Yeah, But I understand people have to
make a living and all that. Yeah, I get that. But all
that being said, I took my oath as a citizen in two thousand ten,
became a citizen, and I had some issues. Well, the issue
I had after becoming a citizen was that I I had built a house when
I was twenty one, twenty two around that age, So two thousand,
two thousand, two thousand and three, I built a house and I was
just messing around in my driveway with a what do you call the plastic be
begun, shooting the type of little air gun. Yeah. And I was
just messing around in my driveway and shooting in the mailbox across the street.
You know how how young people usually do you know? Yeah, but there
was a concerned neighbor that drove past me that told the police that I threatened
her and I caused her to be afraid for her life. Long story longer.
I am now a felon. Seriously, that's how it happens. That's
why I wanted to touch on this. So it was one hundred percent your
word versus her, and yes, my word versus hers. And guess what
she could put down the tears and her tears meant more than what I said.
And I looked Russian. So that's what happened. Now, had you
guys butted heads before? Has there were there any other communications before? Were
you guys were kind of button heads? Or no? Me in here?
No? No? Uh. Basically, she drove past and she saw me
with a fire arm looking device and this is on the books fire looking device.
Firearm looking device. Yeah, um, and I did have firearms at
the time. I mean I had rifles, I had the pistols, but
the one I was using was obviously not even the BB gun. It was
a airsoft gun, gotcha. But since yeah, but since she was afraid
for her life and everything else. And mind you, this was in the
red in the red part of the county of the Steady, Washington. So
yeah, my lawyer said, don't press it, forget it, you're not
gonna win. I took the l That's what that's the advice your lawyer gave
you. Yes, sir, Oh my goodness, gracious. I've had many
people long before who said the worst thing you can do is get a lawyer.
And the more and more I start to talk to people, I'm starting
to believe that. Well, yeah, I understand that now it's seven years
past or ten years past. Yeah, sure, but you were twenty one
at the time. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it goes with you,
you know, the longer you lived. Like, look, how would I
say this, Um, Are you a believer at all in a sense?
Or no? Am I believe? Are you talking about in God and Jesus?
Yeah of course, yeah, of course. Okay, So when we
like, when I was a teenager, I believed in Christ, Jesus everything,
right. Yeah. But and when I was younger, I thought,
man, I only got these little things to take care of. You know,
I'm not that bad of a person, right, I'm not going to
do this much stuff. But as I get older, I have so much
more greedious things that I've done that I can't even account for. Um.
So yeah, in the beginning, it's easier to go through this than at
the end. In the beginning, I was like oh this, this is
not a big deal. This is this Okay, So I got a little
felony and not a big deal, right, but after everything else, Yeah,
that's a big deal. Yeah, sure it is. That's uh,
that's something that in this country, it never goes away. And that's something
that I I've talked about with other folks before in the past, is,
Um, you know, if people are found guilty and they serve their time,
and they've paid their debt to society, why do they still have this
hanging over their head? Now? I understand in certain cases, let's say
murder or if you harm a child. You know, we can certainly make
arguments for those type of things to protect society. But for everything else,
UM, I think we need every real conversation. Just last month, I
did did an episode on the prison industrial complex, and UM, it's important
what we do here in the United States. We say we're the freest country
in the world, and we have by far the highest incarceration rate in the
world on percent Do you know what percentage of the incarcerated population in the prisons
are innocent? If I had to, I mean, obviously this is just
a guess, probably ten to fifteen percent you know a good ten. Yeah,
that means fifteen percent of all the population in every prison in America is
innocent. Sure. And who is it that said I would rather let a
guilty man be free than incarceerrate a non guilty person. Yeah, I remember
hearing that. Yeah, but then again, that's neither here nor there.
It's it's very unfortunate that this happens, but it does happen, indeed.
And what was the sentence that you were given for this? I mean,
obviously you were a first time that was the besides your you're merging traffic ticket,
that was the first kind of brush with the law you've had. Correct,
Yeah, well, no, no, I gotta be honest. Look,
I was a young teenager. I had a car. I had multiple
speed violations, but they didn't go beyond that, okay. And what was
the sentence you've received for that? So the sentence was it was six months
of probation where I had to call in to find out every day whether I
had to pee in a cup for somebody, and then I had to pay
a fine. I think it was like eight hundred dollars or something like that.
Yeah, So it was a suspended sense. So at least you didn't
have to actually physically spend time in jail. Cut No, No, it
wasn't that. No. But you know, I don't know about you,
because, look, I understand that you served in the military, and shout
out to all the people that served in the military. My hat's off to
you. You guys were doing what you were told to do, and whether
or not I agree with that, I appreciate and I salute you for doing
what you did, well, I appreciate it. And that's that's a conversation.
I think as all veterans get older, we reflect on our service,
and as we get older, we get wiser and we realize that what the
government's all about. So obviously you've listened to the podcast before, you understand
that's something that I wristle with on a daily basis. Yeah, that's what
I said. You know before, when I was earler, I thought this
and this, But as you get older, you get that understanding where Okay,
maybe this wasn't the right thing to do. Maybe you know, sure,
Yeah, what else would you like to talk about? Actually, I
want to add on to that. I think you know, when we talk
about the people who control the agenda, they know how to manipulate. Obviously,
they control the media, so they can manipulate it. And they know
that most of the people who populate this country, including like you said,
the people who live in the quote unquote red parts of the States, heavy
patriotism. So like when nine to eleven happened, I had buddies who were
recruiters. He said, there was lines down the street for people to sign
up. So that the people who control the narrative are very brilliant and they
know how to manipulate us, right one percent. I was actually going to
touch on this a little bit. So basically in two thousand and one when
WDC actually happened, I was going to college, right, and it was
about half a year before that happened, not exactly when it happened, but
half a year before. And I was nineteen at the time, and I
wanted to join the military. And as you knew from what I told you,
I had a couple traffic to fines outstanding. What they did was the
army recruiters actually went to my college I went to and they said, yeah,
we would like to have you on, We would like to sign you
up, but you have to take care of these outstanding fines and then you
can join up. And since I was nineteen didn't have a job in the
world, I was like, I can't do that. I don't have the
physical propensity to do that, and they said, okay, you can join
up. That's interesting because I've heard of stories where recruiters were able to kind
of go to the courts and say, Hey, we're trying to get this
guy in. Can you just kind of wave the fee so we can bring
this guy in. I think if you would have had a more motivated recruiter,
he could have been a little more creative for you. I think that
if we were in a different county, or maybe it was in a different
part of the state, that could have been the case. But since it
was really black and white, because I was on the eastern side of Washington,
not the western side, it was a different story. Because seven years
after the fact, when I was married, I had a child, had
a family. We went to a showing of military equipment, and you know,
I had a son that was about seven eight years old, and he
really liked the equipment. He liked the big trugs, you know, he
liked the machinery. And we took him out there, and the guy showing
everything off said would you like to join? And I said, well,
I can't join because you told me that I couldn't join because I have a
couple of tickets outstanding. And he told me, verbatim, now we don't
care about that. We'll give you thirty thousand to join right now. Wow.
Yeah, And I said, you know what, right now, that's
not the right time. I wanted to do this, what eight years earlier,
but you wouldn't allow me. Yeah. It's it's an awful lot easier
to deploy and go away for a year as a single young man as it
was, you know, once I got married and had children, it was
excruciating. How old were you when you first deployed? So my very very
first deployment was Operation Desert Storm. I was twenty one and Desert Storm was
nine. Okay, yeah, wow, yeah, So that was the Iraqi
Freedom, right, Well, that one was Desert Storm. That was George
H. W. Bush, that was Daddy, and then and then oh
three is when Iraqi Freedom kicked off. I served under let's say, I
served under Reagan HW. Bush, Clinton W. Bush and uh, of
course, uh, the great Obama right in quotes yeah, the Great Obama.
Yeah, I get it. Yeah, but I do think it for
your service, I understand that meant a lot to you, and it didn't
mean a lot to American people. I just don't think that they appreciate it
as much as the people that served did. Yeah, And you know,
the frustrating thing is for me, and I say this to my close friends
and fellow veterans. We've got a couple of guys who we were very close
to. I lost one in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, and then you
kind of see where the country is at today and you and you kind of
question would they think. Now, they were very selfless people, so they
wouldn't have questioned it, but you know, was it worth giving their life
for where we are today? You know, that's that's a question that I
wanted to ask you. Actually, now that you look back on whatever you
did, well, I assume it's no. No, that's fine. So
I wouldn't change anything because I was there for my friends, and my friends
were there for me, and I was I felt like I was a good
leader and I was able to get all my soldiers out of there for the
most part safely. I can't speak to that mentally, because everybody goes everybody
has different tolerances to combat. And you know, we had my driver when
we get hit by an ID in two thousand and six. I think it
was April two thousand and six. He had to go home for minor injuries.
But I mean he went on and he's had a good life. But
you know, I can't. I know I can't change the past, so
I try not to dwell on it. I think the thing I do dwell
on more often than not is, like I said early, is the guys
who were lost in combat and where we are today. And that's something that
it keeps me awake at night. Yeah real, And I think this monster
is just too big. That the question is, you know, when I
have all the guests on, the million dollar question is how can we change
the course of where we're headed? And I'm of the thought that this monster
has gotten too big. I'm not sure that we can change anything. We're
certainly, as the police said, there is no political solution, that's for
sure. We're not going to vote our way out of this. It's it's
just going to take everyone going back to God. And you know, even
if you're not a super religious person at least having morals, and there's just
so much that has gone wrong in this country. I don't want to turn
it into a you know, beat down the the USA type of episode,
but we have allowed you know, the constitution, as I said, Yeah,
yeah, it's not the USA is fault, right, I mean,
it's not the it's not the fault of the actual country. It's just the
fault of the people that do not realize where they're getting pushed because I think
I sent you, I sent you a YouTube video, yes, the propaganda
video exactly. Yeah, And it's so apparent there and this was nineteen forty
eight. This is so apparent to where I cannot, I cannot not watch
it and say that I'm still okay after that, you know. Yeah,
And there's by the way, there's there's a ton of propaganda videos that were
made between nineteen forty eight and the late fifties where they were actually warning young
people that they showed these videos in school how to be aware of propaganda.
And then of course that the bad guys kind of took over the country and
their goal was to dump people down, and of course it led all the
way up to twenty twelve with the Smith Modernization Act, which allows now the
government to you know, put propaganda on its own population. So just in
sixty years or so, that that's how far we've declined. Yeah, and
that's why I'm saying, like America right now today as American, Like I
mean, I consider myself American. I don't consider myself Ukrainian American or okay,
even let's put it this way. I was born in Ukraine, right,
I do not consider Russians my mortal enemy at all. No, I
consider Russians my brothers because we are all Slavic people. Russians, Ukrainians,
Polish people. We are all Slavic people. I don't see a difference between
any of the three or anyone else on the border. I don't see the
difference. We're all Slavic, right. Yeah. So when when Putin innovaded
quote unquote invaded Ukraine, I understood there were some there were some people that
were saying, you know, death to Russia, and then some Russians saying
death to Ukraine, and Americans chimed in saying, yeah, death to Russia.
I get that, that's fine, but I don't see myself as a
Ukrainian I see myself as a Slavic person. The Russian person is my brother.
The Polish person, that's my brother, Ukrainian, that's my brother.
American, that's my brother. You're gay, you're my brother. You're straight,
you're my brother, Mexican, black. I don't care. We're all
brothers because we are from the same family tree, which is God made Adam,
and everybody came from Adam. That's right. So you can't. You
can't give me on your gay or straight, or your Mexican Latino. You're
black, you're Mexican. I don't care. I can make a case for
anybody being bad. I can make a case for anyone being good, right,
just like you could. Absolutely, that's right. Yeah, And that's
kind of the underhand to play of politics and even sports is to get people
in the mindset where you have to choose a team one especially sports, that
is just wow, yeah, yep, And that is our culture today.
It's right, are you on team bud Light or you're on team against the
trans person who's drinking. Are you on Jason Aldan's team or you on CMTS
team. It's the flavor of the week. It is constant divide and conquer,
and these people fall for hook line and Sinker every week. You know
what. Okay, you're talking about Dylan Mulvaaney. You know what, if
that dude came to my barbecue, I would grill them some chicken and some
steak. I couldn't give two sits. Uh sorry, I use some words.
I it wasn't supposed to know. You're good. You're good. Yeah.
I don't care if you come over. Bro, just don't tell me
how I pronounce your pronouns or say you're pronouns. Just you're good. You're
a person. I'm a person. You're a person. Let's go there.
You go nobody, no, yeah, nobody cares. Okay. So you're
gay, you're lesbian, you're by, you're transsexual. You know what you
are? Okay, and my eyes fine, you do what you do.
I have an understanding. I have a propensity to understand some things because I
believe in the living God. But if you want to do what you want
to do, you can do whatever you want to do. Just do not
make me. Do not force me to claim that you are something that I
do not believe you or not. I mean, if you don't do that,
I'm good with you. And that's the problem. We're in a society
now where if you don't go along with the main line of thinking, you're
wrong. Oh wait, you don't accept this person or you don't, well,
then you're wrong. You don't use a pronoun, you're wrong. And
that's that is the globalist going back to the Tower of Babel, New World
Order type of you know, government that they're trying to push upon us.
Well, i'll give you another another thread if you want to go down the
rabbit hole. Yeah. Basically, my grandpa might hear wrist in heaven he's
got. But he went to World War Two. He was seventeen. He
joined up with the Karamia anyways, so he joined up with the Russian Army.
He went to World War Two. He actually got the Medal of Freedom
or not free him, but he got the Medal of I don't even know
how to call it. Is it something similar to like our Medal of Honor.
No, it was the medal for the ousting of German troops from Berlin.
Yeah, so he was there in Berlin and then he got all that,
and then he came back he got like four medals from the bullshit.
I'm sorry. The administration that was in power at the time. And he
told me after he came back, he told me all the stories of the
people that came back with him, that the soldiers he knew, they came
back and they you know, the people in the Slavic countries, they like
guitars, they like music, they liked the you know, the everything.
But what he said was there was a person that said the German strings were
better than Soviet strings. That was thirty years in the gulag. Yeah you
think I'm kidding. No, that's insane. No, that's insane. Yeah
for us, for me and you living in America, living the dream,
living in the American life, Yeah, that's insane at this point. At
this point for them, now is a reality. Well, the goolags are
slowly creeping into our society search percent. And that's why I'm saying it because
right now, in two thousand and three or twenty twenty three, we're at
about the communism in the nineteen seventy The reason I say that is because everything
that we do now is the same thing that the people did in the USSR
in nineteen seventy. Now, if you continue any further down the line,
we would regress in the communism. So basically, if we continue five years,
we're gonna be in like nineteen sixty USSR. If you continue another three
years, we'd be in nineteen fifty years O SAR. And if we go
any further, we'd been ninety thirties, which means all the more, which
means fake Holocaust, which means a fake Was that ten million Christians that were
killed in the whole lot of more? Uh? No, it was my
Christians in per se. It was just thirty million, thirty million people.
Yeah, that's it. And do you remember when you went through school,
did they teach anything about the holoto more my grandpa, No, no,
no, no, like when you went to public school in Washington. Oh
yeah, yeah, okay Washington, they said nothing. Yeah. Right,
that's what I'm saying. Everything about the Holocaust, but you don't hear anything
about the holodomor Yeah. Yeah. I heard a lot about the Civil War.
I heard a lot about independence, which I appreciate because I've pledge my
allegiance to the flag. I do not a pledge it to anything else.
That's right, there's God, there's a flag, there's nothing else. Yeah,
you can't start pledging it to people, that's for sure. And if
you know when we were in the military, we were we were taught what
the flag meant. There's the three colors of the flag, and the red
is the most important to me, which is the blood that was shed for
our country for us to be free. Yes, yeah, but a lot
of people don't understand it that way. And I doubt that any any Democrat
or any person leaning towards a democratic understanding realizes that the red is the blood
that was shed for you to do what you do right now, that's right.
And you know when when you were talking earlier about if this continues like
this for five more years, it'll go back to sixty and then a few
more years back to fifty, Well, let me ask you this, what
things can we do as individuals to change the course that we're headed. At
the risk of sounding like a person that rings the alarm or nothing, basically,
I will say that if we don't change anything as it is currently sitting,
in five more years, will be in America like we were in the
Soviet Union in nineteen fifty, which means anybody even okay, so even now
this is happening, anybody, any police officer can stop you and ask you
for a d for all apparent reason. Right, Look at Jeremy Brown,
right, I actually listened to that podcast to three days ago. The guy
didn't do anything incorrect. No, he did what he did. He actually
served the country. He served the country in faith and honor, and then
the actual government that he served turned against him and labeled him as a as
a pariah, as as as a trader to the people. How does that
work in a free society into a republican I don't understand. My mind cannot
wrap around us. And this should be a huge alarmed everybody. And when
you're done listening to this podcast, folks, if you're working, you're driving,
try to remember this next time you're on break, pull out your phone
and go to the DHS website, the Department of Homeland Security, and in
the search engine, you know the little magnifying glass where you can put in
the search box, put in right wing extremist, and look at all the
definitions of what this government, in their um their very extended arm of the
law, considers extremism. And then you'll really realize that we are in a
very precarious situation. Well, you want to know another funny story. Yeah,
so I had an uncle in law. Let's say, so this guy
was married to my grandmother's sister, right, so who really liked my brand?
Brand? Okay, so this guy to prison in the Gulag. The
first time he went to prison in the Gulag was because he told somebody where
they could buy a fire arm. All right, That was five years in
the Gulag. The second time he went to the Gulag was that he stole
a watermelon from the of course, from the collective farms of the Soviet Communism.
He spent eighteen years in the Gulag. He told me they were stacking
bodies in the winter against the actual prison houses to get them insulated from the
gold. And do you know what about what year this would have been or
what decade at least? Yeah, this was nineteen nineteen forty two, nineteen
sixty oh wow. Yeah. You know, we hear these type of things
and we see them kind of portrayed in movies, but until you actually see
these type of things for yourself, it's really hard for a human to comprehend
the level of evil that exists in our world. George, But then I'd
like to also mention that it's not about the people being evil, right,
it's about the It's about the Okay, Like you know what the Bible says,
right, our war is not with the flesh and blood, right,
but with the powers, with the principalities. So I understand these people are
just doing what these demons want them to do. I do not blame the
people, even though I want to. I want to, but I cannot
because it's not their fault. They're under a delusion, under a spell.
Maybe I don't know. Just like even today, let's say, okay,
so Biden, you think you think Biden is doing something on his own.
He doesn't even know a day of the week. It is not to be
mean or anything, but he's just he's he's a you know, he's a
few cents short of a sandwich. It's it's it's sad to me, really,
it's it's really sad. And his wife should be ashamed of herself.
Well I guess what, I guess it takes two to tango, right,
right, But even okay, Biden, you know what, I don't care.
I love Russian, I love Ukrainian, I love all those people in
the world. But I'm going to say it like it is Putin. He's
a smart guy. But behind Putin there's a power that controls Putin. Sure,
Putin does not do what he does because he just woke up and said,
Okay, I'm gonna do this. Now, there's a power behind Putin
that tells him what to do. And just like there's a power behind Biden
that tells him what to do. Just like there's a power behind every world
leader that tells them what to do. Just because we don't see it on
our normal human plane doesn't mean that that doesn't exist, right. I would
venture to say that every leader of every leader of every country in the world
to the most extents, you know, saying some small Pacific island in the
middle of nowhere, But most of these countries, whether it be Europe,
North America, South America, there is a power behind them that controls them.
The people are figureheads, and they certainly answer to a higher um authority.
We know in our cases, um, it's the bankers for the most
part. Do you think the rothschilds are just like innocent? What did You're
sitting there in the backdrops thinking like, ah, we good, were good?
Somebody knows about us? No, we know. Yeah, And the
banking industry was the downfall of Kaddafi. And I think it's going to be
the match that that lights go ahead, we'll start go ahead. Oh sorry,
do you know why the banking industry in the banking industry was the downfall
of Kadafi because he wanted to start a that this mineral based backed again,
it's not yat currency. He wanted a currency that was exactly gold backed,
and that would have crushed the dollar and the euro exactly. Well, that's
why I listened to you, because you say it like it is, and
that's exactly what bricks is all about. And it's not a coincidence that they're
having their meeting on August twenty second, because August twenty second, nineteen seventy
one was the date that we went off the gold standard and became Viat currency
exactly. And wasn't that Nixon? Yeah, Nixon said, I'm sorry,
We're gonna have to go off the gold standard for a little bit, right,
a little bit. And that's the that's the thing. When we open
up the can of worms, there's no going back. Just when they started
income tax way over one hundred years ago, it's just going to be one
percent. It's just this one little bit, and now it's like a quarter
of your income is going to these monsters. Just a tiny bit, just
a quarter. That's not a lot. I mean, look at Bill Gates.
He can spend a quarter. Why can't you spend a quarter? So
you know, the next time that they try to suspend your freedoms, we
better have a better showing than we did with COVID or else we're gonna get
rolled up. Let me ask a question, George m Let's say that the
stuff were to hit the proverbial fan, right, as a Christian man,
how would you go about that? Now when you say it hits the fan?
Are we talking there's some kind of event between Ukraine and Russia and World
War three kicks off? Oh I understand, Okay, So what exactly do
you mean? Okay, I will paint you a picture. Okay, Let's
say let's say that Putin does do what he promised to do to America if
they don't leave Russia alone. Right, And that's the other thing I wanted
to say. Putin has been very I mean, how would I say this
without insulting anyone? What that it's the best way to do is just to
say it, all right, So Putin has been or Russia has been very
generous in terms of allowing NATO to expand to the borders. They would not
be able to expand to because we had an agreement between not we, but
you know they they write that wouldn't move an inch closer to NATO, wouldn't
move an inch closer towards Russia. Yeah, so that was before in nineteen
ninety one when they had disarmament agreement, and then the USA and Russia the
ex Soviet bloc had an agreement to where they were disarmed and US were disarmed
and the UN would not come any closer than their original border. That's why
Russia withdrew from the eastern the Eastern German front. Let's say, all right,
so between that and today, the NATO has actually expanded to basically the
Ukrainian borders, which is borderline suicide. If you ask me to come to
Russia, like, let me ask you this. If Russia were to put
bases on let's say, what Alaskan soil or close to Alaskan soil would American
staff for of course not no. Look what happened with the Cuban missile crisis
when Russia was in Cuba. So my thing is, I understand Putin might
be wrong, but then again we have to look at the circumstances of where.
And again I have to reiterate this because some people might think I'm a
I'm an American hater or anything like that. That's fine, you can think
that. But what I'm trying to say is, well, look at the
amount of the leeway that the Russians gave America. Would America give the same
leeway to the Russians were they to do the same thing to America. Oh?
Absolutely not, of course not. And now America, And you know
what, here's the thing. I am an American. I don't care where
you say I took the oath. I'm an American. I will protect America
no matter. If they didn't take me previously, it might take me in
the future, right who knows. Yeah, with conscription, like what's going
on in Ukraine right now, They're they're drafting people in their fifties. Yeah.
But what I'm saying is that the American people don't understand, like the
mass of American people, the boat of American people, they don't understand that
Putin has waited, or Russia has waited, or this has been piling up
to an extent that it cannot go any further. And that's why Putin has
responded. Putin doesn't want to kill Americans, he doesn't want to kill anyone.
He wants to be left alone. He wants to be his own person,
He wants the Russian Republic to be their own people. Pool it doesn't
want any sanctions. And by the way, let me ask you this.
They have what now ten pacts of sanctions against Russia. Yeah, there's quite
a bit. Okay, do you see Russia struggling? No, there,
the ruble has actually gotten stronger since these things have happened. Yeah, a
little bit, not too much, but yeah, they're they're okay, yeah,
they're on that level. But what is America trying to prove? And
which actually brings me to another question. I think it was Thomas Jefferson that
said that we would do well to stay away from foreign wars. Correct me
if I'm wrong, Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yep, that sounds
about right. And uh, I think I think the common thinking among every
American, particularly those who listen to this podcast, is we would all do
what we needed to defend our country if our actual way of living was threatened
and war came on our turf. But they continued overthrowing of these governments that
we don't approve with, who doesn't want to play ball with us, and
then expecting them to like us is abhorrent. And you know, I got
very upset with some folks who you know, I kept telling them about the
COVID narrative and they finally woke up to it. And then when you know,
this kicked off and I guess twenty a year or two ago when I
can't even remember when this kicked off. It's been so long now. I
think it was twenty twenty one maybe, or no, it was February twenty
twenty two. Were you thinking about the first original when the twin hours came
down? And is that when you're thinking about or something after the fact.
No, what I was saying was, so when Russia initially launched into Ukraine
a year and a half ago, Yeah, the same people who fell for
the COVID narrative the first Yeah, that sounds right there. Twenty two,
so it's been about a year and a half. But these were the same
people who all of a sudden blindly said Russia bad, Ukraine good, and
they knew nothing about us overthrowing the duly elected government in twenty fourteen and the
shelling of eastern Ukraine. And once again it goes back to everybody wants to
pick a side, and they always fall for the official narrative, and everybody
had the Ukraine flags in their bios, and you try to explain the situation
which is much deeper in detail, and official propaganda propaganda one, that's what
it is. Like I said again, I don't care if you're black,
white, Mexican, green, I don't care if you're yellow. You're a
person. You're a person, you're a human being, and we're all human
beings. I love you just the same. But when you put up labels
on people like, oh, he's not good enough because he's of this origin
or of that origin. No, look, I have a person, bro,
black person named Sean Fletcher, the hardest working dude I ever knew in
my life. I still talked to this guy. He actually text messages me
every now and then saying, hey, bro, how are you doing?
Yeah? I'm doing well, how are you doing? And this guy,
it's not about race. It's not about inequality. It's just about like,
person to person, how are you doing, bro, Yeah, We're good.
How are you doing? Yeah? And we're brainwashed to believe that the
other people in the world are just terrible, terrible people. I was brainwashed
to believe that I Keys were evil people and they didn't believe in freedom.
And by the time I got done, by the time I retired, and
I've been to well, you know, twenty countries or whatever, everybody's the
same around the world. Everybody just works to take care of their family and
they hope they have a few bucks left over to have a little bit of
fun. It's that that's everybody around the world. But the propaganda that the
people who controlled the narrative wants you to believe that, you know, we
brought freedom to Iraq by dropping bombs on them, It's just absurd. Did
we did we bring freedom to them? Did? Yeah? Did we bring
freedom to all right by dropping bombs on them? Absolutely not. We enslaved
them with the debt system. Yeah, and now they're paying the US back
yep, because what because the Yeah, you see, here's the thing.
I don't want to be a person that says negative anything about the us.
But then again, on the other hand, I cannot not say that we
have enslaved people because we were so committed to following our leaders to a place
we did not know, to a place we didn't understand, to something that
we were lied to. I don't know, man, Yeah, it goes
back to we have to stop complying, you know, when when something doesn't
align with our moral compass. We got to do a better job of saying,
no, number one, you work for us, we don't work for
you. And number two, no, we're not going to go, you
know, fight these bankers' wars unfortunately. Yeah, you know, money is
you know, we talk about being enslaved, and we talk about what a
powerful tool money is. You know, when you're in the military, you're
working for that pension. When you're a police officer, you're working for that
pension. So we're always putting that spot. Yeah, is this going to
jeopardize my pension if I don't do? You know, it's just a really
wacky world that we have right now. Yeah, I hear that, And
that's exactly what I heard from what my parents told me, is that they
were just trying to get their pension. Yeah, you're not telling me anything
new. Yeah, it is. It's the biggest catch twenty two. Right.
You want to live by your moral compass at the same time you want
to be able to take care of your family. And it's just and that
goes to I had mentioned several times before the guys who had been in the
military for fifteen sixteen years when twenty twenty one came around and they had to
make a decision to take the jab or or potentially give up their pension for
everything they work so hard for. That, that's just how And again,
it's not the people of this country. And I've made it clearer many times,
just like you are tonight. It's the people the top of the food
chain that are ruining this country. And then again, okay, so if
they are ruining the country, what can we as a people do to combat
that? Walk away from the current system that they've assembled because it's not working,
right, But what would that take us too? Let's say, okay,
so you say you want to walk away from all that, right,
absolutely, what can we Yeah, what can we do as a people to
walk away from that? Well, it has to start and we have that
right, not just in the constitution. Again, people are quick to say
the Constitution, particularly you know, you can look at the number two there
when it talks about having the right to have a militia, but also the
second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence that says, hey, listen, if
your government goes rogue and does not look out for the best interests of the
people, it's our responsibility to you know, to get rid of it and
start over again. And I'm convinced that it is beyond repair. Just uh,
we're somewhere between I think thirty two and thirty three trillion dollars in debt.
We're going to have a very difficult time just making the interest payment of
the next interest payment. That's a big problem. And again we know here's
a big part of the problem. You have to know who the enemy is
in order to fight it. But when your president isn't even writing anything,
well, I mean, when we're at it this time frame, this is
a spiritual war. We're fighting Satan. This is good against evil. But
physically, um um. If I were to name something, you'd have to
look at the corporatocracy that's that's taken hold of this country. The guy who
runs Black Rock is certainly one of the figureheads. He gained a lot of
power in two thousand and eight when we had our financial crisis. Um,
what about George sorif here there too? Sous is in there. Obviously,
the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers are the ones responsible for the education system. Many
people say there's about a group of eight thousand people who control the entire world,
and that sounds about right to me. About thirteen families is what I
heard. Yep, yep. And then of course the Vatican as well.
Yeah, yeah, obviously, why where would be we be without them?
Um, well, we wouldn't have a telescope named Lucifer. Nothing to ski
here, nothing to see here, do you think? So yeah, yeah,
let's let's put a big plane in the sky and column Lucifer. Why
not? Just it's nice, it's incredible. So what else did you see
in the military that like turned you off of the government service? The contracts?
The contracts. As a senior n CEO, UM, I got to
right contracts. But I also there's a contracting officer who was the one that
writes contracts, and then there's a contrast a contract officer representative, which is
the one that takes the contract and ensures they are fulfilled correctly. And when
these contracts came through my desk and I saw the amount of money, you
know, twenty five thousand dollars for this concrete pad, these vests that had
air conditioned in them there, you know, twenty three thousand dollars apiece.
Just the amount of money because we would be responsible for a lot of these
things going on unit's property books, which is how you account for equipment,
and the numbers were staggering, absolutely staggering. We had every unit, every
battalion has their own support, like they have cooks and they have laundry services.
But what did we what did the government do? They hired Kellogg,
Brown and Route to do all those services for us, So instead of allowing
the military to do their job, they contracted everything, whether it be laundry,
food services to feed us, the latrines. Everything was contracted out.
So the military industrial complex. You have no idea trillions upon trillions of dollars
that the people at the top were enriched. And how old are you?
If I could ask, I am fifty four years old. Yes, that's
young still. Yeah, I'm like a police cruiser that's two years old.
It's got like three hundred thousand miles on it. I got army miles on
it. I heard you say before that every year you're spending on the military
is like seven years that you spend in civilian life. Yeah, you don't
get a good night's sleep, and when you wake up, it's a it's
an event. Just again out of bed and you get yourself moving and once
you get going, you're okay. But you know, i'd like to complain
if I don't want anybody feeling sorry for me. No, that's not the
point. The point is, did you see anything in your military service that
would point you were that you could use to point someone else in the right
direction? Is what I'm figure out, actually point them in the right direction.
As far as government abuse that we should be aware of or yeah,
oh geez, I mean the contracts were the biggest thing. Now, there
were a lot of things that I didn't see but people knew about. We
crossed the berm in March what was it, March twenty third, two thousand
and three, and by the second week of April, we were we were
taking historical relics and this was deserved freedom, right, this was Iraqi freedom.
In two thousand and three the second this is okay, and you were
taking you were taking away, he said, not not me physically, but
but there were units that were taking his I mean, this is well known
that we were raiding all of their historical UM archives. And of course you
can look online. They found Gilgamesh's tune a month after we you're speaking,
you're speaking to the right person. I'm going to ask you so many questions.
You're gonna regret have him me on the show. I mean, it's
big time. And you know, whether or not you believe Wiki leaks or
not. There was a lot of things in there about the relics that were
found in Iraq. So was it multifaceted? Was it because um? And
again people need to remember that Saddam Hussein was our buddy for many many years.
We put him into power, yes, and this is the story.
When we're done with them, we get rid of them. UM. So
you know, we used him, just like we're using Zilinski right now to
fight against Russia. We use He's four pet tall. Who who wants this
guy living in a country. He's a comedian, he's an actor. I
don't percent did you oh, did you see the video where he plays the
piano. Yes, yes, I think everybody's seen that. Yeah, yeah,
that's and now he's now he's running in the country. I feel embarrassed
as Ukrainian just to even see that video. My parents when they saw that
video, they just like they they turned away and they walked back into the
room. They were done. Now, obviously, let me ask you a
question. The closer you get to Eastern Ukraine, I guess from what I
what I hear, the more allegiance people have to Russia. But with the
situations that's going on like in Ukraine, do you have an idea what the
morale is and are they still supporting this regime? As far as the regime
you're talking about, are you talking about the Ukrainian regime or you're talking about
the NATO regime, the Ukrainian regime and zank etc. So to be to
be straightforward and clear, nobody liked the Ukrainian regime since twenty fourteen. In
twenty fourteen, the reason everything happened was that those territories in um let's say,
in the eastern part of Ukraine, they did not recognize the not the
power, the authority of the Ukrainian government. Even when not even Lenski,
not even Prosenco that they didn't Yeah, they did not recognize the regime of
Porsenko even before he was president, so they didn't recognize it when they had
I think they had a but there was a vote between Proshenko and the one
before him was Jennukovich. Sorry, I had to revert back and forth.
Two Ukrainian and yeah, in no way. So in twenty fourteen, in
twenty fourteen, we had the president that was not Porshenko, it was Janukovich.
And if I am not mistaken, I could be mistaken. So don't
take this as a fact. But in twenty fourteen, apparently what I know,
what I heard was that some troops came in and helped out Poroshenko to
establish a government. Now that government belonged to Yanukovich, and Yanukovich is the
guy that ran away from his presidency because the people forced him out. Now
my question now is did the people force him out or did some other entity
that came into the country to force him out? And this is my million
dollar question. Did you see a correlation between what happened in February of twenty
fourteen in Ukraine and what you saw happened in the United States in twenty twenty.
You mean twenty twenty January sixth, Well, I'm talking about the Summer
of Love, all the coordinated riots and of course voting by mail because of
the COVID and then obviously to me, I'm not going to speak for you,
but I think my squirrel that hangs out in my apple tree out front
would would have a better chance to get eighty one million votes versus Joe Biden.
Is that squirrel actually dead? Not yet? Once she's dead, I
don't know. Yes, I believe that. I mean, here's the thing,
don't give me a wrong. I love the US. I came here
for a sanctuary. Yeah, my parents came here for a sanctuary and they
got that. But the longer we lived in the US, the more we
the progressiveness of the communistic ideal here. So when you asked me to answer
that question, it's like I have to nark on my own people, which
I hate. And guess what, America. I love America. These are
my people. I left the Ukraine behind, that's behind me. And now
you're saying, now you are asking, do I see the parallel? Yes,
I do. I just yeah, I agree and I do know,
I can't answer it. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it.
It is hard. I had a friend who I served with. We had
a conversation a while ago and he had mentioned, he said, you know
what our country is like. He said, you remember having that friend when
you were growing up. They had a bigger house than you, and they
had nicer cars than you, and you you admire them. And then you
had a chance to spend some time there and then and then you found out
that, you know, the dad was a bank rubber and the mother was
doing illicit stuff. That that kind of was the analogy that he used,
is like, we enjoy all these luxuries at the misery of other countries.
That's that's one hundred percent. Yeah, I've seen that before and that's how
I see it. But here's the thing. The thing is that if people
in America to date can understand the communism that they are trying to bring about
in America, they do not understand fully what that entails, because what that
entails is rules for me, but not for thee. What I'm saying,
you are exactly spot on, And I use that phrase a lot. And
when was the last time any government official has been held accountable for anything.
Never, I mean never, never when tell me tell me about the freaking
Biden son. Yeah, here's some white powder found in some white house something
what who? Who got it? I don't know. Yeah, we have
the greatest, you know, criminal minds in the world and they can't even
figure out who the cocaine belongs to. Are you kidding me? But on
DNA evidence they can convict fifteen thousand people because they got DNA, you know
What's Yeah, it's just so it it so hurts my understanding of the American
freedom that it just I can't, I can't. I have no worse to
describe it. Yeah, And we are getting closer and closer than nineteen eighty
four. And I've often said that technology is a double double edged sword.
We embrace it. You know. Here we are having a conversation. You're
you're in Central America right now, and I'm on the East coast, and
we're having this conversation and it's going to go out to listeners around the world
this week. But at the same time, it is used against us.
This has become a surveillance world. And if you remember that movie Minority Report,
We're getting closer and closer to pre conversation. Yeah, exactly, you
think you see, that's that's the whole point. The whole point is that
I thought that I was in fear from or I'm in fear for my life.
You're done. As soon as anybody says I'm in fear for my life,
I've been. I had police officers say I was in fear for my
life and write me a ticket for what passing? Yeah, this is uh,
yeah, this, this was not what America was intended to do.
And again it all goes back to accountability. As long as they're not held
accountable, they're going to keep trampling us one hundred per Let me ask you
this, I'm want to put Have you put on your fortune hat, your
fortune teller hat? And where do you think this Let's just say six months
from now, where do you think we're at in the world with Russia and
Ukraine? And do you think it's inevitable something happens and this kicks off World
War three? Or do you think otherwise? If I were to be honest,
I would say, well, I'm being honest, so I will say
this, I see if nothing else changes currently, so America doesn't back down
America doesn't stop sending tanks and missiles and whatever they do to Ukraine. Right,
America stopped sending monetary aid. If they don't stop doing all of that,
I think Putin will inevitably And again I'm sorry for saying this, but
yeah, I think that he will strike the US something that will make America
realize that they are not the soul superpower in the world. And again,
I hate saying this because America is the country I grew up in. This
is my country. I'm an American. Just because I was born in Ukraine
doesn't mean that I don't love this country. I've been all over this country.
But this is the way things are going. Yeah, and let me
let me ask you this. How older were you when you started to realize
when you could see right like and they live, when you put on the
glasses and you could really see what's going on? How long have you kind
of been awake to the situation. So I came to America when I was
eight. Yeah, I went through all the public schools all that. When
I first started to know this something was when I was eighteen when they told
me that I couldn't join up the military because I had a couple of traffic
citations I didn't care, didn't take care of. And then I was like,
okay, hold on, so you're going to you're gonna not let me
into the military. I want to join up because in the former USSR that
was a mandatory thing. Right when you were eighteen, you were mandatorily joined
up with the forces. So I was thinking young and dumb, right,
full of anything. So I was thinking out there, so I'm eighteen,
so somebody should contact me, but nobody does, so let me contact these
armed forces I would like to serve. And then they came to the college
that was taking classes at and they said, well, we can't accept you
because you have you have three tickets that you did not take care of,
so you're making payments but they're not all paid up. And I said,
okay, I'm sorry. I guess we're not meant for each other. And
after that, I was like, all right, there's something wrong with this
because in my country previously, so that doesn't matter what you owe, doesn't
matter what you did, you were serving the country. So then after that
happened about two years after that, twenty twenty one happened twenty hours and then
after I've seen that happen. Somebody sent me a video um saying nine to
eleven was a inside job, right yeah. And then I said, no,
no, no, it cannot be. This cannot happen in America.
America is the land of the free, humble, the brave. This cannot
happen in America. I did not come to this country to be fooled by
this stupid crap. Right. But then I looked at the here's here's the
twenty part. I looked at the JP eight fuel temperature yea. And I
looked up the steel melt temperature. They were the JP eight was about fifteen
to twenty one hundred degrees burn temperature, that's depending on what the Internet says.
And the steel melt temperature was twenty five to three thousand degree melt temperature.
And I said to myself, bro, no, something's not right.
Yeah. And the way they fell, certainly, the way they fell.
Did you see that three fall? Absolutely? Yeah. And the squibs they're
called when the little smoke pops out the sides. That is, if you
google any building that that's imploded, you know, look at the old baseball
stadiums or you know it happens all the time. They implode the old building
and they build a new one. You'll see something called squibs. Squibs,
and that's the little smoke things that pop out the windows when they pop them.
And it was the same thing on World Trade Center six. And of
course there was the the early videos of the guys who were in the basement
saying I heard the explosions, explosions and that word we used on and on
and on that day. And of course with the scrubbing of YouTube, those
videos are getting harder and harder to find. Well, I still have them
backed up on my how would you say on my DVDs? There you go.
Yeah, I've got a hard drive full as well. And there's a
lot of people, God bless them that still to this day, like once
a week we'll post loose chains and all, you know, the little video
clips about the Larry Silverstein, the dancing Israeli. Why did what the tower
eight? Why did that come down? White? Oh you mean tower seven?
Let's bullet, I don't know, let's pull it. Like buildings are
always that they come built with C four already in them, just in case
they need to be pulled, right, I just want to the to the
skin about theirs and yeah, I missed that ship. But you know what,
let's let's pull this building because you know why not. See, here's
the thing, like, why do people resist the actual truth? Is it
somehow is it somehow connected to the what's that thing called? When you have
a belief already pre pre pre made in you, what do they call?
Yeah, well it challenges your your I guess are you talking about, like
your cognitive dissonance? And yes, cognitive dissonance, thank you. Yeah,
why wouldn't you believe that? Because people live in a comfortable world. They
don't like to be stressed. They want to believe that, you know that.
And I'm just saying what they want to believe. They believe in the
best kind in the world. They drive a nice car, they have a
nice house, they have a good paying job. This is the best country
in the world. It is, yea. And for everyone else to say,
it's not go everywhere else and prove me wrong, but to freaking Nigeria,
go anywhere else, to me that that country is better than the US.
Never yep. And the thing is those things challenge and it wholesale changes
the way you look at life, and people don't want that. And they
also say they stand somehow how else can you make them understand if they cannot
believe? How do we do this? George? Because here's the other thing
that I'm told all the time, they wouldn't do that against their own people,
Like That's that's the common answer I get anytime I try to have a
conversation about someone with nine to eleven, and I try to tell them that
people like the Bush family and the Clintons and on and on and on,
Um, don't even give me started on my clients. They don't think the
same way we do. George Bush went to bed that night and slept all
night without two perhaps about anything. No, No, they don't think like
us. They're they're psychopaths. That's unfortunate, but that's who we have as
leaders. Yep. Doesn't the Bible say that the people deserve the leader they
get or to that extent something? Yeah. Absolutely. And there's a lot
of people I talked to on this podcast and the other podcast that say,
um, we are this is what they say, we deserve what we're getting
right now because we allow, um, we allow this evil to fester.
That that's what I get a lot recently. Yeah, but nobody cares.
Everybody sees the evil, everybody sees the evil festering, but nobody raises their
voice to say anything. I understand if this was a Soviet block or if
this was a communist country, like let's say China, let's say North Korea.
Right, I get that. But this is America. This is supposedly
a country where you can speak your mind and nobody will tell you anything otherwise.
How did it come to be this way that we cannot speak what we
believe, we cannot speak what we think is right even let me okay,
let me tell you this. So you've ever been called into a jury duty
or anything like that. Okay, So basically, what does the judge tell
you when you go into jury duty? Well, first they ask you a
bunch of questions. Because I've been to jury selections, I've never made it
to an actual trial. Huh, I wonder why. Well, I mean
I didn't. I didn't say anything out of the ordinary. It was in
Texas, and it was it was a simple traffic thing. It wasn't even
a big deal. I mean I was the whole time I was an army.
I didn't get obviously I was kind of abstained from Jerry Doody, but
I was a resident in Texas and I did get called one time and it
ended up they ended up settling or something. It was really small time.
But my wife she's done it several times, and she's been called to do
federal in Wilmington, Delaware this fall. Interesting. Yeah, Now, did
you know? I mean, of course you know because you grew up in
America and you're an American, full blood in American. Right. It's not
like me where I came in and I'm like no one right. So my
question is, did you know that if you do not agree with the law
that is correct, then you can say whatever you want. Do you mean
it as a jur Yeah, as a juror, if you do not find
the law correct, if you do not agree with the law, you could
say I do not agree with the law, and they should actually take that
at face value. But do they know because the judges give you instructions,
you shall follow what I say that's right, not what you think what I
say. Who is this judge? Who put you in position? Who are
you that's right? These jurors sit through an entire trial and just before they
go back to kind of huddle up and talk about it. You get the
law talk from the judge. Yeah, and that just says what now you
shall do this follow my instruction. This is what I think, Broke.
Who are you to tell me what to think? We have the constitution that
allows us to think for ourselves. If I do not believe this law is
just, I do not agree with this law. I will either vote,
know, or whatever you do. But you cannot tell me what to do.
Maybe I'm thinking it too far because I have not been brought up in
this much freedom that I assumed America had. I've been brought up in limited
freedom, not even freedom to say. But as much as I understand,
I believe that, Gwen, I understand a law that I determine myself personally
not to be just, I can just say I do not believe this law
is just. Therefore I'm gonna say it's not just. Therefore I can say
I don't he's not guilty, He's not right, He's not guilty. The
law is unjust. That is my determination. You know what I'm saying.
As I'm sure listen, there's many laws in the books here in Delaware.
I don't that go against my moral compass? So I should be able to
uh speak freely about that, whether it be you know, in an open
form or in a courtroom. So how come the judge tells you what to
do before you actually make a decision? Tell me this, George, tell
me this. Are you there? Yeah? Okay, Yeah, it's yeah.
I'm just saying, like, if you understand what you're saying, that
you couldn't say whatever you understand is right or morally right? Why can you
not say that in a courtroom? Yeah? That's why can they not agree
with you? Or why can they not respect or why can they not follow
what you believe is right or not? Well, the scholar, do they
have to tell you that you have to only vote this way or the other
way? Right? Who are the judges to tell you what you have to
do? Well, the scholarly answer would be, well, if you have
a problems with the laws that are on the books, well you should run
for office and be a part of changing these laws. That's that's the scholarly
answer you're going to get. But we all know that to even get going
to be elected into office anytime soon, I guarantee you, Oh no,
of course not. Uh No, they're selected you know, outside of you
know, local school boards and things like that. Um, these these people
are hand picked. And there's no way you can go upon go against the
financing that some of these people have. No And that's the whole problem.
The problem is the financing. Why why do we have financing? Who is
financing these people? People like Sauros hundred percent? Did you know in fact
that Lenin? I cannot say anything positive about Lenin, but did you know
that Lenin when he was in New York? I believe it was nineteen fourteen,
if I'm not mistaken, Lenin was in New York nineteen fourteen, will
give me a couple of years back and forward. But he left here with
twenty million dollars and that type of money going back to Russia. Now,
they stopped him in England because they were like, bro, you doing with
all this money? And they jailed him. But somebody told somebody something and
he was let go, and then he made it back to Russia and he
started the revolution. Was forgive me? What was was Lennin here about the
same time Trotsky arrived yep okay, yeah? And Trotsky was actually jailed in
Canada. That's right, that's right, that's right. And I don't know
if it's still there. But there was actually a statue of Lennin in New
York City? Is there or there was? I don't know about now,
but yeah there was. How do you how do you explain? I just
don't understand. I don't know. I don't know. What are you gonna
do? What? What are you going to do? Of course that's the
million dollar question. What we've got about? I got about ten minutes left.
Was there anything that we haven't really touched on yet that you had on
your list of things to speak about? Well, if I was to say
anything, it would be this. People, beware what you vote for,
because maybe what you vote for is not exactly what you want. Even Trump,
Yeah, everybody says Trump, Yeah, good guy, everything else.
Trump is not the person do you think he is? Trump? Yeah?
Trump? I like Trump the first time, But even you can say that,
yeah, Trump passes his own issues. Biden has his own issues.
Trump has his own. Nobody is a savior. No one's gonna save us.
If anyone is going to save us, it's the people that rise up
and say no, we're done. We had enough, got the firearms.
We will stand against the government. Yeah, and when we and people need
to stop looking to elites thinking that they're going to help you out, because
nothing is further from the truth. You know, even Trump again, I
was part of the Trump train in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and he
didn't I've heard all I heard all your sermons, bro, I got you.
I was there. But you know, he didn't arrest Hillary, he
didn't drain the swamp. The swamp just got deeper. And at some point
people need to realize that to me, this is me speaking, the only
two people that can save you was the person in the mirror and Jesus Christ
Us Christ only not even you. Yeah, not even the person in the
mirror. That's all I gotta say. I'm sorry. Yeah, but at
least yourself, you know, you can rely on, but people always look
to others. That was, you know, part of that twenty twenty you
know, the rumors of the white hats within the government that we're gonna say
yes, yeah, yeah, they would like to hear themselves say it,
right, okay, Yeah. And the blunt truth is it's going to take
a lot of hard times and sacrifice in order to get things back to where
they need to be. And that's just the honest truth. What I'm going
to say is this, if you're hearing this message, and get some chickens
and get some get something, get some food, get some rations, get
something, I mean, and get something stowed away. But do it.
Because we don't know where this is going. I can predict all I want.
That's not going to be true. Just make sure you take care of
yourself, your family right, make sure God knows you, make sure you
know God. That's all. Amen to that, and uh, you know,
I'm so thankful you reached out. And you know, we talk often
about the situation that's going on in Eastern Europe, and it's good to hear
someone who is actually from that neck of the woods who understands what's on the
line and also has um you know, my wife talks about this a lot
too. Has been in a place where you know, freedoms were taken for
granted or did it have that many freedoms and came here for a better life
and now it's slowly eroding back to where she started out, so uh,
we need to start. She was from Hungary, she was in Capish far
which is three hours. I don't know if it was southwest or southeast or
just south from Budapest. What time about in years? Well, she was
born in seventy seven and born American or she born in Hungry Oh no,
no, no, she's she was born and Hungary. She came, I
married her, and I brought her to America when she was twenty two twenty
three something like that. So she got a little bit of that life in
Hungry. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so she knows what we're talking
about, right a thousand percent? Yeah, yeah, And that's why you
have the chickens. That's why you have the egg. That's right. We
got lots of vegetables growing, a whole lot of vegetables growing, and apple
tree, peartree, and I'm very thankful, and I don't I try not
to take it for granted. It's a lot of hard work. There's a
lot of tough days. We lost some meat chickens last week to a predator.
But you can't quit. You just gotta realize that. And that's life.
And if things get worse, the predators are also going to come from
uh like actual people. If the food chain, you know, if things
go south and the food supply chain breaks, they're they're going to come and
listen. If people ask, I will help anybody. But if anybody comes
trying to se deal, then that's a whole different equation. And that's what
I was going to ask you about. If people would actually come to you
forcefully to take what you have, what would you do as a Christian person?
I mean forcefully if they threaten my family, I think I would do
what anybody but does. But I as a christ I mean I am preparing
to the fact where I assume that many family and friends aren't preparing, and
that I realized that I'm probably going to have to take care of other people
outside of myself, including neighbors, et cetera, because that's what you do
as a Christian, you help others. And I want to make sure regard
the first Commandment saying do not murder. Well, that's you know, if
my family's well being comes into question and I said it specifically, do not
murder, right yep, yep. But that's that that's going to be a
tough bridge to cross when when people's families are threatened, if things go really
sideways, right yep. And yeah, I think of all the people that
came from there. They have their beliefs. They believe that you cannot kill.
But that's not what it's talking about. It's talking about do not murder.
That's premeditated, that's right out of anger rage. That's defending yourself.
Yeah, in your opinion, as an American citizen, as a person that
believes in God, how would you deal with that? I would I would
just say I will do whatever it takes to defend my family. Send it
yea. And that would be miserable. That would be horrible. I don't
like to think about it, and I pray and hope that it doesn't get
to that. But what people don't realize is we that the supply chain we
use as American today is basically back in the day, every grocery store had
warehouses and they would have stocks forever. But it was costing these stores so
much money to keep stocks. So now the jistic system changed once technology became
smarter and they started doing virtual inventories. Now we use something called just in
time logistics. So instead of having these huge stocks, the food is being
replaced basically as it's coming off the shelf. What that means is while it
is more cost effective if there is a break and supply chain. You see
what happened during COVID. But if if an all out war happens, I
mean, you ask the people. My grandmother will tell you during World War
Two that the grocery stores didn't have all the stuff that they used. Started
during World War two, we had victory gardens. Hello, yeah, yeah,
they had to send the food to the troops. Yeah, exactly Why
am I telling this? I was not even alive during World War Two?
What happened? Why do not Why do not more people understand this fact?
Yeah, it's a million dollar question, and it's something that we all.
You know, people have to walk that fine line between being prepared and still
enjoying and living your life. Right, you don't want to live twenty four
hours a day gloom and doom. That's not good mental your mental health.
You still got to live your life. But at the same time, you
know, be prepared and that's spiritually and physically and you know with food and
chickens and everything else like that too. I agree. I think more people
should actually look into sustaining themselves, making sure that they have provisions for them
and their family because I know, for a fact that people in the Soviet
when in nineteen thirties there was a whole dumb water, they actually had double
walls to where they put grain into the double walls, and that's how they
sustain themselves. So you know what, learned from history. Learn from history
else you're do to repeat it exactly. Yeah, and that's, by the
way, that's something that we've recently just got into. We we invested in
a grain mill and we've been ordering a whole bunch of wheat and all the
other things. So we ground our own flour. Now, yeah, nice,
Yeah, Well, it's better than the alternative not having anything exactly.
Exactly. Well, brother, it's been an amazing We're almost at the two
hour mark. Now. I do want to give you the last minute or
two to just kind of give your message to the folks and we'll wrap it
up. Here's the thing, I have no message. My only concern is
with the people of America. Would I have grown to love? I came
here with nothing. I built myself up by whatever I could, and the
American dream still exists. But you have to actually put yourself into it to
get something out of it. That's all, well said God. Bless you,
and thank you for taking the time to first to reach out and then
to come and spend a couple hours on this Sunday evening and share your message
with everyone, not just here in the United States, but obviously we have
a listenership around the world, and you know, I think our situation here
certainly resonates with the people in Europe and other parts of the world. So
you know, we're certainly not the only ones going through this. The event
we're going through now is a global event. Again, this is good versus
evil, and you know you can't really run from it. It's not a
person versus a person. It's a person first, the demonic versus the spiritual
realm. Yeah, and uh that's why you know we decided to dig in.
We could run right, try to pack up and move away from the
evil, but this is just this is something you can't get away from and
it's best that you you just put your foot down and otherwise you know it's
going to continue to fester. So again, I appreciate your time, Surge,
Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Thank you for having me
on. I appreciate it, yeah, for sure, and thank you to
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