WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:18.359 And guess what it is a Tuesday afternoon, and I'll tell you it's kind 2 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:22.079 of a strange one. It's the twenty first day of May twenty four, 3 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:26.120 allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar. And if you're hearing the 4 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:28.960 live stream, you're saying to yourself, why did he just go live? 5 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:33.079 Well, I had to book a special time to talk to two special guests 6 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:41.920 about an interesting volume on the Kennedy assassination. And they have been asked for 7 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:46.600 by request, and all of that, of course, always requested. William 8 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:51.640 Law the author of In the Eye of History, co author of various other 9 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:57.560 books which have given us historical accounts of many things, especially surrounding the medical 10 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:02.439 evidence, the casket, the autor autopsy when it comes to JFK. But 11 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:04.799 William Law, I mean, if you don't know who he is, then 12 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:08.560 I guess you really have not been in the JFK literature at all in the 13 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:14.959 past I don't know, three four decades. Because if you haven't read William 14 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:19.400 law stuff, you don't know about the autopsy either. The greatest collection ever 15 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:23.280 by the way of interviews, in the Eye of History. But that's not 16 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.760 what we're discussing. Today, not at all. His co author is with 17 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:29.799 us, and you might recognize his name. I know you do, because 18 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:33.400 you guys requested that I interview him, and you guys requested that I interview 19 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:37.120 him about the book we're going to talk about, Donald Jeffries, who is 20 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:42.000 also the author of many many other books, let's see Bullyocracy. He likes 21 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:45.280 to mention a lot, but I gotta tell you, Survival of the Richest 22 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:49.000 is still, even with this volume on the Kennedy assassination, is still my 23 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:55.120 favorite book by Donald Jeffries because it describes, oh, I don't know what 24 00:01:55.400 --> 00:02:00.519 exactly is happening right now, why it's happening, who gets put into positions 25 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:04.879 of power, and why when it comes to the financial spectrum, if you 26 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:08.680 will, and what goes on in the world around us. Survival of the 27 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:12.759 Riches go get that one, But again, not the book we're talking about 28 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:17.639 today. This one has something to do with an interview that Don and I 29 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:22.639 kind of discussed when I was producing the Donald Jeffrey Show for a little while, 30 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:29.120 and he wanted to interview Dean Andrews. Third. Now, if you 31 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:32.680 don't know Dean Andrews is or that name doesn't jump right out at you. 32 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:37.120 I guess you didn't see the movie JFK either, and you didn't recognize the 33 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:40.680 fact that John Candy did this incredible performance. By the way, when I 34 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:46.280 look at the archival footage of Dean Andrews, this fascinating lawyer from New Orleans, 35 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:51.680 you take a look at John Candy's performance. And oh, by the 36 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:55.039 way, the title of the book comes from a line in the movie JFK. 37 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.560 But you know what, I think I should let the authors explain this 38 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.960 and tell you why it is they thought it was a good idea to come 39 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.879 together write this book. I mean, I've got a hard question or two 40 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:10.120 about that, but maybe I'll get there, maybe I won't. Let's talk 41 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:13.960 about it anyway. First, William Law, how you doing tonight, sir, 42 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:20.919 or this afternoon? Excuse me, I'm doing well. Thanks check excellent. 43 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.039 And again, William, you know I love your work. I really 44 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:28.280 do. I mean, anything you see if you see will William Law on 45 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.919 it and it's please. I can't recommend it enough. I've done I've done 46 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:35.400 shows on your books without you on the show. By the way, I 47 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:39.280 want you to know that. But anyway, with everyone felt that way, 48 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:44.400 I do love it. I even made sure to mention you on Coast to 49 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:46.599 Coast AM. I don't know if you know that. When I went on 50 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:47.919 there, I said, you know what, if you guys want to know 51 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:52.240 about the autopsy and all this stuff, if you haven't read William Law's book, 52 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.680 and you haven't checked out the Blu ray and the gathering that he did 53 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:59.520 and all of the stuff that he's put together over the years, then you 54 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.319 need to go to school, guys. I think I said that on Coast 55 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:10.280 to Coast AM anyway, But okay, and Donald Jeffries, Gee, don 56 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.479 you know, I'm not all that familiar with you. How are you doing 57 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:18.759 today? Yeah, I kind of lay low here. I I don't get 58 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:24.160 out much on these interviews or anything. Now people people probably maybe hear too 59 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:27.519 much and maybe yeah, it's nice to talk with you again. Rare podcast. 60 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:30.759 Look, actually you'll be able to catch them on Rent's radio network. 61 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.480 What Later Tonight? Is it? No? Last night? That was by 62 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:38.240 run It. They rerun those shows several times a week, and then uh, 63 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:42.560 you know, Eye Protest comes on Fridays and now ban video. Alex 64 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.040 Jones station actually carries the archives there and you can also get him an America 65 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.879 and plug so you can you can find me lots of laices, right American 66 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:55.000 plugged, I protest And by the way, the sub stack is that is 67 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:59.360 that also called eye protest? Or is that? Yes, it's I Press. 68 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:00.680 We're going with the aim there. And for people that know, I've 69 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.759 written about my love for the movie Meet John Doe nineteen forty one friend, 70 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:10.319 cap is film, and I just love that film and the character of John 71 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:14.959 Doe. His column was called the Eye Protest by so that's why I keep 72 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:17.000 using that. It's kind of a tip of the hat to Capern. Okay, 73 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:20.759 so now I want to shut up and let you guys explain something here 74 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:26.319 because I remember that you and I had talked about maybe you should interview Dean 75 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:30.959 Andrews third on a podcast a radio show, And yeah, great idea. 76 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:33.000 Now why Dean Andrews the third? Why do I keep adding that third to 77 00:05:33.079 --> 00:05:39.160 it? Because this is the son of the guy that John Candy is portraying 78 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:43.399 in the movie, right, and yeah, so go ahead explain this to 79 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:46.000 us, like how it is you knew him? And how does William Long 80 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.800 gets involved in it? Pass it over to him, and then I'd like 81 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:51.959 to hear about how he gets into this. Yeah, go ahead. Well, 82 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:57.519 you know, Dean came into my life and there are some coincidences and 83 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:02.040 he my brother told me probably twenty or twenty more than twenty years ago. 84 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:05.839 Now I guess that he had met this guy and and they weren't like a 85 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:10.600 therapy group together, and uh and he said to this guy, yeah, 86 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:14.079 he's his name's Dean Andrews. He said, you know, he's the son 87 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.480 of that guy that John Candy played. JFF. Cannon's thinking, you know, 88 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:21.000 he's probably somebody that just is imagining he's you know, instead of imagining's 89 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:25.399 Napoleon, he's imagining something like a much less historical character. I said, 90 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.920 okay, so but anyhow, you wanted me to meet him, So I 91 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:29.920 said, okay, have him over for dinner. I've done that before. 92 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:33.040 So he came in and you know, he had the big scrap book with 93 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.920 his father and all the pictures. You know that Dean Andrews Junior ran the 94 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:40.879 door land Sjazz Festival there and so I you know, I'm instantly this guy's 95 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.879 the real deal. So I was just amazed that, you know, talking 96 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.560 about serendipity, that something like that that we can He was amazed at me 97 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.319 too. All I knew about you know, I knew more about his dad 98 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:55.199 in the Kennedy assassination than he did. So you know, we struck up 99 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.120 a friendship and we were fascinated with each other. And then, you know, 100 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:00.680 he used to come to a lot of family gatherings. He came to 101 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:04.600 Christmas before. He didn't have family really, and he just you know, 102 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:09.680 but I didn't ultimately, I just didn't think there was a there was a 103 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.519 book, there, a story there. I don't know. I guess it 104 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.879 was too stupid, you know. But then and so when we talked about 105 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:18.000 interviewing him, uh, I think the reason we didn't do it is because 106 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:23.040 he had He's had health problems off and on for you know, quite a 107 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.120 while, and I think at that time maybe he was in a rehab center. 108 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:29.360 So I can't remember exactly, but you know, I kind of I 109 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:32.079 always put that because I'm always writing other stuff. And then William, when 110 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.279 he found out I knew him, he was saying, now, you come 111 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:35.759 on, you got to get this guy on the record. You got to 112 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:39.639 talk to him. And said, okay. So William really pushed it and 113 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:45.720 I said okay. And then we when we started getting this in together as 114 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.439 well, we can make this into you know, Dean and his father or 115 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:54.480 the focus, but we can make this into something bigger, and so we 116 00:07:54.600 --> 00:08:00.000 ended up putting together what I think is hopefully is a is a clear impression 117 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.600 of what I think. You know, it was the ground level to ground 118 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:09.480 level conspiracy. Okay, the people that think of misled researchers down that human 119 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:13.240 rabbit hole. Because all the anti cast Cubans, all these people were there 120 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.480 in New Orleans along with all these other guys, and I personally think I 121 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.319 think William agrees that. I think they all were being manipulated like Oswald was, 122 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:22.199 and you know, they probably all had intelligence connections. Well, before 123 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:26.120 we get there, let's go over to William Law. William helped me out 124 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.639 here and help out the listener in case. Look, I know, but 125 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.480 I help help out the listener. Uh, Dean Andrews, right, the 126 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.279 guy that John Candy played, How would you give, you know, a 127 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:39.720 bullet point description of that guy who happens to be the father of this guy 128 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.159 that just randomly showed up as one of Don's brother's friends. Uh, let's 129 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:48.720 describe the guy that John Candy plays in the film in case people don't know, 130 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:56.320 or maybe they're just familiar with that character who was Dean Andrews. Dean 131 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:01.519 Andrews was was a lawyer in New Orleans, and he was one of those 132 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:07.759 characters that you often meet, uh there that was just bigger than life. 133 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.120 If he didn't exist, you'd have to make him up. Uh. He 134 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:18.679 he talked in a form of jive for the time, and uh I just 135 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:28.320 found him really amusing. And when I spoke to Bean, I asked him 136 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.279 about Candy's portrayal, and he said, well, he said, Candy, 137 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.360 Candy got the got the character right. He said, he got the he 138 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.480 got the jive talk right, and and he fit the profile pretty well. 139 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:45.320 He did a good job, he told me. And uh so, you 140 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:50.519 know it, he connects into this thing of of why would he be connected, 141 00:09:52.279 --> 00:10:00.480 you know, sought out to represent Oswald. You know, the character 142 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:05.879 itself is just kind of amazing, and I really wanted to know more about 143 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:11.159 this guy. I mean, well, you remember seeing the old white paper, 144 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.120 right the the Garrison Investigation in NBC. You know it takes a look 145 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.320 at blah blah blah. Dean Andrews shows up on there and literally One of 146 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.879 the lines in the movie is taken from that where he says, you know 147 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.600 you got the right top time, but the wrong ho ho right, And 148 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:31.919 that that to me is the line yeah, go ah, I'm sorry, 149 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:33.879 Well, I'm just saying I love that line because that line, you can 150 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:37.600 hear Dean Andrews say it, you can hear John Candy say it, and 151 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.000 it's like, oh, okay, I can see this guy did some work 152 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.279 to prepare for this role, because it was clearly, you know, clearly 153 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.159 a good echo, right, And a lot of the character actors that did 154 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.919 stuff in that movie actually did solid jobs representing who it was they were trying 155 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.519 to represent. I mean, you think about guy Banister and anyway, let's 156 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:01.799 not go off on a rabbit trail. But the John and character is fascinating 157 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.320 because of John Candy showing it to us, and there's film of this guy 158 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.480 a little bit here, a little bit there that you can catch some of 159 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.080 this jive talk. But the line that you guys took for the title of 160 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.639 the book, which we haven't even given yet, is also a line. 161 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:24.159 Was that your idea or Don's idea to make that the title of the book, 162 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:26.480 William, could you give me some insight on that and tell people what 163 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:33.200 that is. Yeah, that was my idea because when you see that scene 164 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:39.879 in the movie, a beautiful woman in red comes across for an instant the 165 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:45.879 camera and these two are having lunch, Dean Andrews and Jim Garrison, and 166 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:50.919 Dean says, pipe the bimbo in red and he says, well, yeah, 167 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.840 she's cute, Dino, but not have as cute as you are. 168 00:11:54.000 --> 00:12:00.320 Words to that effect. Yeah, and they get into this argument. Goes 169 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.399 Andrews says, why are you dancing on my head, mam man. We've 170 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:07.240 been thick as bees, you know, clear back to law school. And 171 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:13.000 they get into this discussion about why his description of Oswald has changed over the 172 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.279 years, his height and how he looked and all that. Right, So 173 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:22.799 that immediately spoke to Garrison and his investigation. And so when it came time 174 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.840 for the title to the book, that's what stuck out to me was that 175 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:33.000 scene. And I've recently read something on Facebook by someone who read the book 176 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.559 and they commented, as soon as I saw the title, I knew what 177 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.440 the book was about, and that was why I wanted to use that title. 178 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:46.360 Oh yeah, I mean absolutely, I knew exactly what it was. 179 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.039 Now, for those of you don't necessarily understand, the beat nick thing pipe 180 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.679 of the bimbo in red means basically, hey, check out that good looking 181 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.759 woman wearing red over there, which you know, your piper, you take 182 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.639 a look. You actually use your eyes, you know, look through a 183 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.320 telescope or something and go get a good look at her. And I thought 184 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.840 it was it was beautiful. Which, by the way, in that scene, 185 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.000 you know, stop eating that damn crab meat a minute and listen to 186 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:18.080 me. That whole exchange is just I mean, and it's only maybe like 187 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.000 two minutes of the movie. Maybe I'll pull up the audio clip here while 188 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.399 we're talking and and play it for people to give them an idea in case 189 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.039 they forgot. But if you're familiar with the movie, JFK, there's no 190 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:33.159 way you forgot that scene with you know what you're dancing on my head for, 191 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.120 you know. And and we've been think as molasses I think it was 192 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.039 since law school, right, William something like that, And there's this whole 193 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.720 thing going on where Jim Garrison, uh, you know, back to the 194 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.240 real life story. Dean Andrews is a a real guy, but Jim Garrison 195 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:56.039 is really having to deal with a lot of interesting characters in a let's call 196 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:03.440 it culturally diverse area of New Orleans, okay, where you know, there's 197 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:07.399 people of all sorts of lifestyles, you know, not the least of which 198 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.240 is David Ferry, who comes up later. But Andrews is somebody who was 199 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:16.919 a person of interest because he was asked to represent Oswald at a certain point. 200 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.639 And this is the thing that Garrison is after. I know this guy, 201 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.720 but he was asked to, you know, check out Oswald. And 202 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:31.279 meanwhile, he's sort of a hustler lawyer. And he even tries to say 203 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.159 something there which is a line that I can't decipher, where he says something 204 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.159 about being a you know, a hacker, hot dog something like this, 205 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.960 where he's like, you know, I'm just a hustler lawyer. Basically, 206 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.960 it's what he's telling him. And Beatnick too during this scene, and you're 207 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.039 you're asking about something that I don't want to answer. Then he lights a 208 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:54.080 cigarette, takes a drag and looks at him and says, you keep asking 209 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:58.960 these questions, and it's bye by Dino, which you know, was I'm 210 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.279 to end up getting killed here I keep talking to you. I think he 211 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:09.279 was really afraid of that. Yeah, well then he wasn't he wasn't going 212 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.440 to talk about it. He he he knew things, and he knew he 213 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.320 shouldn't have known them, and uh, he was going to keep quiet under 214 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:22.519 all circumstances. Right now, I don't know really what happened to Dean Andrews, 215 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:30.159 like say, post clay Shaw trial. Uh, Andrews I believe didn't 216 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:35.080 Garrison at some point and indict him or try to indict him. He did 217 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.679 go ahead and take that done. Yeah, don yeah, yeah, and 218 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.720 that in for perjury and and that's the uh one I think. Uh, 219 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.840 you know, A very interesting aspect of the book is you get the the 220 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:52.519 bat, you get the the backdrop of what what one family and the Andrews 221 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.440 family went through that was connected to the assassination. And so you know the 222 00:15:54.600 --> 00:16:00.000 and I I had the pleasure of having Dean's mother for dinner. It's probably 223 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:03.240 been fifteen to twenty years ago now, but she had never talked about the 224 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.840 assassination. She's still alive, she's well in her nineties, living in New 225 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.559 Orleans. He doesn't see her very much because he can't travel because of his 226 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.120 condition. Really, and she's you know, in her nineties, but she 227 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:17.440 and I got her to open up a little bit, and you know, 228 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:22.159 she basically is under the impressions that her husband was crazy and and they I 229 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.759 can understand why, you know, this was. They were He was one 230 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.120 of a celebrated lawyer in New Orleans, had lots of big contacts. He 231 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.840 ran the New New Orleans Jazz Festival, and this thing really tarnished him, 232 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.559 and he I don't think he realized. And that's why I still, you 233 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.120 know, we looked into this phone call and everything that he got, and 234 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:45.759 I still don't really understand it. He really hasn't been examined much scrutinize. 235 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:47.840 He definitely got the call, and we go over in the book, how 236 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:49.320 you know he called people right away and asked him he can you come to 237 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:55.320 Dallas and he's and helped me represent the Harpy Oswald and you know, his 238 00:16:55.320 --> 00:17:00.000 his secretary inexplicably said no, she couldn't come, which I thought was very 239 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.920 strange. But once he uh, once he realized how deep this was, 240 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.799 and Garrison started a reopening things and he started getting scrutinized because you look, 241 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.079 you look at read Dean more Than Andrews Warren Commission testimony, and we I 242 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:17.279 think it's so valuable that we included it as a as an appendix. You 243 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:18.599 know, for people who hadn't read it. It's if you've read and you 244 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.480 know, I'm sure you have checked. But if you've read the Warren Commissions 245 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.559 hearings and exhibits, you know they're very dry. They're mostly irrelevant or are 246 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:30.000 hardly ever interesting. You have to really search for those needles in a haystack. 247 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.640 But Dean Andrews testimony, I call it the Beatles testimony of the war. 248 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.400 I mean it's it's it's the top one. It's it's the you know, 249 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:40.839 it's number one with a bullet. I mean, you've got to read 250 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:42.400 any of the testimony. Read Dan Andrews TESTI first of all, it's just 251 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:48.319 entertaining as hell because of his beating a lingo. But he you know, 252 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:51.079 he just he just brings up at one point where he says, there's two 253 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.519 people I want to find, and one of them is this Burton character, 254 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:56.039 and the other one is the real guy that Shatley. Every eyswall and you 255 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.839 can see that, you know, the council saying, what do you mean 256 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.160 you insinuated that it wasn't like archives. I know, damn you know, 257 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.640 I know, good and will it wasn't him, and so people have to 258 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.359 read it. That's why we included it in there, because it's uh and 259 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.079 Dean, Dean the third really hadn't read it, and I said, you 260 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:15.880 know, you got to read this, man, I mean, this is 261 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.799 incredible. And he recognized because what we got from him, and you can 262 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.799 see in the interviews that that Wayam conducted with him, which of course, 263 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:26.359 you know, form a good part of the book, the transcripts. But 264 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:32.599 Dean described how his father, you know, in behind the scenes while he 265 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.720 participated in the NBC white paper, you talked about the smear job on Garrison, 266 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:38.880 which was so one sided. They had to provide him with thirty hours 267 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.160 of response time. Back when they did that thing, they allowed that a 268 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:48.400 fair time rebuttal but yeah, the fairness doctrine still held that he had the 269 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.599 ability to reply, so they gave it to him and black and white, 270 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:52.920 mind you in the middle of the night, but here you go. Yeah, 271 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:57.200 yeah, but I mean they recognized how that how one sided it was. 272 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:06.200 But despite perdicipant, despite committing poetry behind closed doors. Dean Andrews Junior 273 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:11.920 was incredibly paranoid. He did literally pretty much go crazy to a certain degree 274 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:15.200 because he was he saw he knew all of them, and he said in 275 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.880 many of his interviews that I you know, they they can kill the president. 276 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:19.440 I say, they could smash me like a bug. And one of 277 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:22.519 his other great things I like to breathe, you know, And he talked 278 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.119 about all the time that he knew, he knew all these people that were 279 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:30.039 dying. He knew about the JFK witnesses, you know, the body count. 280 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.480 He didn't want to become one of them, and so he uh, 281 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:37.279 you know, he basically did all this out of self preservation, but it 282 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:41.680 still destroyed his family. I mean, Dean the third was on track to 283 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:44.119 become a lawyer like his father. He dropped out of law school. His 284 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:48.960 younger brother had problems for decades and just died I think last year or something. 285 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.839 But he battled drugs his entire life. And you know, he he 286 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.400 described, you know, coming home from school and not being as a little 287 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.519 kid and he couldn't get in the house because his dad, Andrews would lock 288 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.519 all the doors because out of fear that they were going to get him. 289 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.440 So that's how apparently he was. So in real life, Dean knew there 290 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.000 was a conspiracy and he was afraid they were going to get him, and 291 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:12.200 he was haunted by it for the rest of his life. I think he 292 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.960 died at fifty nine or something like that, maybe run nineteen eighty, something 293 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:23.960 like that. But it so it's a people get a real unique view of 294 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.680 behind the scenes what this family was going through, and you're not going to 295 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:32.559 get that anywhere else, right. And the only other interesting scene, because 296 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:37.559 Candy appears again in the JFK movie during the courtroom, rushes and does this 297 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.880 whole thing where he denies that Clay Shaw is Clay Bertrand, which is a 298 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:47.559 big deal because here's the thing in that phone call. Initially he says that 299 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:51.880 a guy named Bertrand asked him to represent Oswald. I mean that that's the 300 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:56.039 point being made in the movie, and that's also part of that that's actually 301 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.359 part of the testimony, right, I mean, no, yeah, that's 302 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:07.000 what you know. Basically, when there were two things really that that triggered 303 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.680 Garrison's interest in it. Now it's it's it's I mean, I think that 304 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.640 it was that that Auverstone got right, and that it was my hero Huey 305 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:22.960 Long's son Russe along that I played by Walter Matthew and JFK who reignited his 306 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.519 interests by Sam you know, the one you're talking about Baggie's drawers, and 307 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:30.279 you know that the warrant Commission got it wrong, you know years later when 308 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:36.000 he met him on a plane. But the other thing was reading because again 309 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.000 this is described like a young young dean. Dean the third told me, 310 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:41.920 you know, he used to tell me to say, oh yeah, you 311 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.839 know Garrison. Garrison used to call her house all the time. You know, 312 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.319 you pick it up to young dean. Can I talk to your dad? 313 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:48.720 You know? And so these these were old friends. They used to 314 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:53.039 go to New Orleans Athletic Club regularly and stuff. So they socialized together. 315 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:59.359 And uh so this name jumped out of him. Again. Garrison hadn't studied 316 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:02.440 these exhibits, just like the rest of America. He you know, early 317 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:07.799 on he questioned David Ferry and you know again all this is and Jay and 318 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:10.680 all of a sudden does a good job of you know, portraying this. 319 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:12.839 And then there was a gap of a few years and then he you know, 320 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:18.480 he gets you know, talked to on the airplane by Russell Long and 321 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:23.799 then he starts looking at this stuff and he's first really drawn in by the 322 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:29.759 testimony of his longtime friend Dean Andrews. Well you know what is this? 323 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.079 You know, yeah, because by that time he had started pouring over the 324 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.720 volumes, right, and he's going through all kinds of stuff and just going, 325 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:38.440 geez, what is going on here? Why are they and they show 326 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.400 this in the movie. They're not asking the right questions, right and not 327 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.839 going back over stuff. Why the hell is nobody doing this or that he's 328 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.119 arguing with his wife over it because he's carrying the books everywhere. My understanding 329 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.759 is he had three copies, by the way of the twenty six volumes. 330 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.920 He had one at the office, you know, in the house, one 331 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.759 at his regular office as DA, and another copy somewhere else that he was 332 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:04.319 constantly pouring over these things in between all of what he was doing in his 333 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:10.799 life. Right. So then he runs across his friend in the volumes and 334 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:12.400 you know, no index, so it didn't come to him, you know, 335 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:18.000 immediately, but right, so, yeah, and what about that William 336 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:22.680 I mean, it's it's an incredible peace that this guy runs across here's my 337 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:26.920 friend, right, and he knows there's a connection. Oswald was in New 338 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:33.680 Orleans before this. You know, is there any indication that young Dean knew 339 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.680 Oswald at some point? Did did Young Dean run across Oswald anywhere? You 340 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:41.480 know? I mean they're in New Orleans together, Who the hell knows. 341 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:45.079 It's kind of a huge city but a small town at the same time. 342 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:49.680 What about that, William. I don't believe he ever ran across Oswald that 343 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:55.160 I can remember in our in our conversations. Yeah, the ones that we 344 00:23:55.240 --> 00:24:00.400 did, I think kind of get chiseled into stone was at we we nailed 345 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:08.480 it down through uh dem the third that uh that Clay Bertrand was indeed clay 346 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:14.319 Shaw. And that is a big, big thing in this case. And 347 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.599 ye, you know, look, maybe one of you would like to describe 348 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:21.440 why that is such a big deal, because, uh, there's the whole 349 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.400 thing with horber Gosh and taking the uh I always mispronounced that guy's name. 350 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:30.359 But the policeman who's sitting there, you know, taking uh clay Shaw's intake 351 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.519 when he's when he's been arrested, right, would one do you like to 352 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.359 describe that? Don would you like to or would you like William to describe 353 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:40.599 that to people? Uh? Yeah, well, I mean I'll take it. 354 00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:44.440 It's yeah, Officer habrig rst to whatever your parents. Yeah, he 355 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:47.799 did put that down. Of course. It's a great scene in the movie 356 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.839 where he u you know, the judge rules against him, and you know, 357 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.400 Garrison says, you're show my whole case. So you didn't have a 358 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:57.000 case, Jimbo, if that's all you had, you know, but uh, 359 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:02.759 you know, we go into why Garrison had to rely on something like 360 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:06.519 that because his witnesses, key witnesses, David Ferry and obviously he died in 361 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:08.559 a very strange circumstance, a lot of Old Valley the same day, fell 362 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.000 on a hatchet through his head. He had tons of witnesses like Julianne Mercer 363 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.079 that were scared to come forward. They could have offered something and h you 364 00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.599 know, so he had it was in that climate. People were frightened. 365 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:25.160 Even somebody like Beverly Oliver, who whatever you believe is she was really the 366 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:29.640 Bullushka later or not, h was apparently scared too. So there's you know, 367 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:33.680 there's there's the reason why the clay Burg in places. All the thing 368 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:38.160 is crucial is because again and there, if people read the book there and 369 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.720 I don't want to I don't want to give away a spoiler because I want 370 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.160 people to buy the book. But uh, Dean the third reveals something and 371 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:51.920 obviously uh William knows that something is shocking about his father's stay in the hospital. 372 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.119 He makes a shocking allegation there, so he you know, his father 373 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:59.440 was in the hospital on the day of the assassination. Later that day, 374 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.960 I guess late afternoon whoever he's called to, uh, maybe early evening, 375 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.079 I forget the exact time. But he's called by this guy Bertrand, who 376 00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:11.119 he knows is Bertrand, and Bertrand has uh has given him clients, the 377 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:14.599 latinos, the gay cavalieros, all the way when he describes it in his 378 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:19.160 testimony, and Uh again Oswalds isn't that million And that's why I say that 379 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:23.839 these guys were all in that what I you know, I think personally, 380 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.319 I think they were all working against each other. They might have all been 381 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.720 told the same thing. Garrison believed that Oswald was told was on assignment to 382 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.440 infiltrate a plot to kill the president. And I personally believe they all might 383 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:38.480 have been told the same thing and they're working at Creek cross purposes because they 384 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:42.880 all were manipulated. Several of them were knocked off. But you know, 385 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:48.160 here you have and there's you know, why was he called? And how 386 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.519 did how did Bertrand I think we raised that in the book, how did 387 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:55.559 bertran You know, I think I think it was brought up by young Dean 388 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.559 evens is how did he even know he was in the hospital because he said 389 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:06.240 he wasn't it wasn't advertised, right, But somehow bertand knew how to contact 390 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:08.279 it. So you know, he didn't call his house and they told him 391 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:12.000 he was there, So somehow he knew how to contact He didn't imagine it, 392 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.880 he didn't hallucinate it or whatever. And you know, why why was 393 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:19.759 he being why did they ask him? Was because he was the lawyer at 394 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:25.079 the center. He was the lawyer who Oswald had gone to for his immigration 395 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.400 problems with his wife. And you know he notably, you know, Dean 396 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.920 Dean Junior was grousing. Notably, I think Oswald note him twenty five bucks 397 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:36.440 or something, and so, but all these guys, all these anti Castro 398 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:41.119 Cubans that are part of this New Orleans ground level conspiracy, I think to 399 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.680 provide a smoke street and get people misdirected to look at Cuba, which I 400 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.799 think had nothing to do with the assassination as me personally. But again, 401 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:53.839 all these players are are there in the same place, and Dean Andrews Junior 402 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:59.960 is right at the center. There's he's he's you know, he's providing legal 403 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:04.400 services for all these anti Castro Cubans and for Oswald himself. So is that 404 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.400 why he was called? I don't know. But then you know, if 405 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.039 the conspirators contacted him, I didn't they know they were gonna knock Oswald off? 406 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.079 I mean, I amn't really sure, and I think I I personally 407 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.640 think Dean Junior probably had a lot of these questions running through his mind too. 408 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.640 Is probably driving him crazy. You know, why did they call me? 409 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.440 Especially after Oswald was shot and killed? He probably didn't know what to 410 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:27.640 think. And uh, you know, I think that's reflected kind of a 411 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:32.839 little bit in his warm commission testimony. But obviously it's crucial because then if 412 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.519 Bertrand and in this in our book, Dean the Third you know, comes 413 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.559 right out and says, yeah, clay Bertram is clay Shaw. Uh, 414 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:44.440 if they are one of the same person, then obviously clay Shaw. And 415 00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:48.480 we we go into this book goes into clay Shaw's connections and they go they 416 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:53.200 go back to Operation paper Clip and the Perman decks and he's connected to everybody, 417 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.799 to Alvin Oxner at the Oxnar Clinic, who was a notable doctor who 418 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:02.000 serviced a lot of Third World dictators that tied in with the CIA, and 419 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:06.319 who also that was the place, the actual clinic where Oswald's the best friend 420 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.920 in high school, Edward bobl died mysteriously. And this is, you know, 421 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:14.640 one of the exclusives we have in this book is we talked to his 422 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.920 sisters, the family of Bobel, who talked for the first time on the 423 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:19.920 record, and they have some very interesting things to say. Right. So 424 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:25.440 again, the name of the book is Pipe the Bimbo in Red Dean Andrews, 425 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:29.440 Jim Garrison and the Conspiracy to Kill JFK. That's the full title, 426 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.240 just so you know. And it's got a red cover which I'll put on 427 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.400 the graphic for this show and give you a link to go pick it up. 428 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.559 Amazon is the main place to pick it up currently, right right, 429 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.200 Don, Well, yeah, I mean we don't care. You look for 430 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.759 the best deal. I mean, you know your authors get so little from 431 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.359 their books, and just get the best deal you again, Yeah, you'd 432 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:55.279 be happy if you might definitely get it U And I'm telling you now it's 433 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:57.519 also by the way, I always like to make this special note, it's 434 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:02.880 not an overwhelming book. It doesn't bore you to death like some people's writing 435 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.000 on the Assassination has in the past few years. I'm just telling you now 436 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:11.000 it is an interesting read and it's filled with a lot of fascinating stuff. 437 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.319 Now, before we go any further, I'm actually gonna introduce through fair use, 438 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.000 I'm gonna introduce the audio of the clip that we were talking about from 439 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.079 the movie JFK, and then kind of let William Law pick up on this 440 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.039 from here for a minute and tell you a little more about what's in the 441 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.880 book. But then I got my hard questions coming up after that, So 442 00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.359 let's take a listen to this clip together. This is again John Candy portraying 443 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:40.079 Dean Andrews, not the third but his father, Dean Andrews Junior, the 444 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.799 bimbo in red. Wait a minute, we got to back that up. 445 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.960 We got to back that up to catch the whole thing. Hold on, 446 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:51.640 here we go pipe the bimbo in red. Oh yeah, she's a kid, 447 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:52.880 all right, but not half as kidd as you, Dino. Thank 448 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.359 you. You should try a legitimate line of business. Why are you dancing 449 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.039 on my head for my man? We've been thick of molasses past this, 450 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.319 just conn and me, Dean. I read your testimony the Warm Commission go 451 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.880 again, granted suits album. The day after the assassination, you're called on 452 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:08.839 the phone by this Clay Bertrand and asked to fly to Dallas and be lee 453 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:15.279 Oswa's lawyer. Right, that's pretty important, Dean. You also told the 454 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.640 FBI that when you met him he's six foot two. Then you tell the 455 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.440 commission he's five foot eight. Now, how the hell does a man shriek 456 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.559 like that? Dean? They put the heat on my man, just like 457 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.400 you doing. I gave him anything that pop in my KVASA. Truth is 458 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.880 I never meant the dude, oh wonderful one likes friends that have friends. 459 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.319 Indeed, I don't know what the cat look Okay, now I want to 460 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.319 just point this out. I'm interrupting the clip for one good reason. He 461 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:45.240 says, I never met the dude. Then Oliver Stones very skillfully shows you 462 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.039 him sitting in the same room with who the Tommy Lee Jones figure who is 463 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:56.160 clearly Clay Shaw slash Bertrand, and they're having this discussion while they're about to 464 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.079 have a drink together. So I love that little quick cutaway during this discussion 465 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:05.680 between Garrison and Andrews in the restaurant, and I just wanted to point that 466 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.559 out since I'm not able to show it to you visually. It is really 467 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:13.160 I love the art of this picture above all else. I want to want 468 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.640 to tell you when it comes to the movie JFK. But let me just 469 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.559 continue the audio clip a little more. Looks like and for them all. 470 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.799 I don't know where he's at. All I know is sometimes he sends me 471 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.200 some cases. So one day he's on the phone talk with me about going 472 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.160 to Dallas. Read them Oswald if there was speak to dollars, Walden Ballance. 473 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.839 Hell no, like I told that Bertram cat right off. This ain't 474 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.519 my scene, man, I deal in Munich court. I'm a hacking Nick 475 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.799 the whole commission d Like I told you the Washington boys. Bertrand called that 476 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:44.160 summer and asked me to help the kid upgrade his marine discharged. Well, 477 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.880 I was led to believe that mister Bertram said that he would take care of 478 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.720 all. Hello to whom am I speaking, I'm Claire Burton. Whatever they 479 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:53.799 are guarantee there wasn't no conspiracy, jimmet, they will. Why the hell 480 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.079 didn't Bobby Cannedy prosecuted as a tiny general. He was his brother, for 481 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.839 Christ's sake. Fuck all those people can keep a secret like that. I 482 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:06.680 don't know it was Oswald. It was a fruit communication problem, Dean. 483 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.599 I know you know who clad Bertrand is. All right, I stopped beating 484 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:12.000 that damn crab. Meet, I met, and listen. I'm aware of 485 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.039 our friendship. But I want you to know I'm gonna call you in front 486 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.160 of the grand jury. You lie the grand Drudgys. You've been lying to 487 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.759 me. I'm gonna charge you with perjury. And I took nine judges on 488 00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:23.559 right here in New Orleans, Dino, I beat them all. So am 489 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:30.319 I communicating with you. It's just off the record that HEO good and that 490 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:37.440 case let me sum it up for you real quick. If I answer that 491 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.359 question, you keep asking. If I give you the name of the big 492 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.559 Enchilada, you know then it's bon Boyard Dino. I mean like pluming it. 493 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:51.079 I mean like a bullet my head. You dig your mouse fighting a 494 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.000 gorilla ken? This is is that grab meat? The government still breathes. 495 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:55.960 If you want to line up with a dead man lips? Do you know 496 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.359 either you dancing or the grand jury with the real identity of clid Bercher your 497 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.960 bat behinds going to the slam and now you did me. He was crazy, 498 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.359 so mama goes to show it to the jeans. Give you any idea 499 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.239 what you're getting yourself into, daddy O, The Government's gonna jump all over 500 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:15.199 your head, Jimbo and go cock a doo do doo. Good babies. 501 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:21.679 Okay, Now there is a lot of information built into that clip, the 502 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.079 idea that you know he says, you're as crazy as your mama. Guess 503 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:30.519 what Garrison's mother had mental disorders that Andrews knew about because he knew him real 504 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:36.679 well. Okay, there's all sorts of information in there. His response to 505 00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.119 his Warren commissioned stuff. I must have imagined it. I told those Washington 506 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.440 boys pretty much everything Don just explained to you in fifteen minutes is in that 507 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.159 two minute clip, one way or another, which I think is remarkable. 508 00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.960 William, this clip is in and of itself. I mean again, it's 509 00:34:54.039 --> 00:35:00.760 less than two minutes, but it's a masterful piece, loaded with all sorts 510 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:07.360 of subtext that I guess inspired mainly this this book where again, and I 511 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.199 see it as strange because I wouldn't think of you as and Jefferies as the 512 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:16.159 same kind of writer, although you have similar interests. So is this really 513 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:21.800 the total inspiration for how this thing was built? Is just this clip? 514 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:27.760 Is this the whole thing? Well, I've always had a soft spot in 515 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:32.679 my heart for Garrison. I named the middle name of one of my sons 516 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:38.559 Garrison. His name is Sean Garrison, and that's after that's after Jim Garrison. 517 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:43.360 And as a matter of fact, years and years ago, when he 518 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:47.239 was a little boy, I met Joan Mellon and she had just come out 519 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:53.280 with a book on Garrison, and I had her autograph it to him. 520 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:58.360 And when I when I gave it to him, he looked at the inscription 521 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:05.239 and and said, does this mean, I'm famous. Nice Nice was it 522 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.519 the Was it a farewell to justice or was it the other Garrison book about 523 00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.840 the rest of his life? I believe it was a farewell to justice. 524 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.119 This is a number of years ago. He just turned twenty nine, so 525 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:20.480 and he was a little boy five or six, So that'll tell you how 526 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.880 long ago it's been, right, right, Okay, So anyway, continuing 527 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.719 on, though, it seems like that clip actually has, like I said, 528 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.079 all the text and subtext from all the stuff that Don described and the 529 00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:37.400 inspiration in the book built into it in that two minutes there, which is 530 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:39.519 pretty remarkable, and that's why I figured we had to play it in comments 531 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:45.280 on it. So it is a great scene. It's a great clip. 532 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:49.280 It sums up a lot of things in a very short period of time, 533 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.719 and of course I love Candy's performance in it. Right. I think in 534 00:36:53.800 --> 00:37:00.119 that time frame of a couple of minutes, he captured he captured the Dean 535 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.519 Andrews and his son basically said, yeah, he did a very good job 536 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.119 of capturing my dad's lingo and things like that. The one thing that came 537 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:15.320 across to me was that that I think if I had met Dean Andrews. 538 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.079 I would have really enjoyed him. You know, he was outside of the 539 00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:23.480 outside of the Kennedy thing that he was involved with and all that dark stuff. 540 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:30.039 He seemed to be a really fun guy that I would really enjoy talking 541 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.440 to. Well, is the son very much like the father in that way? 542 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.800 Do you do you get the same feeling like he's very much like his 543 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:39.760 dad? Or is he very different? What would you say about that? 544 00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.280 Is there a like, oh, clearly we know who's you know? You 545 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:47.159 see you see my daughter for instance, you know in about five minutes, 546 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:52.679 if you know me, that's my daughter. But you know, is it 547 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.679 like that where it's like, wow, okay, I can see Dean Andrews 548 00:37:54.760 --> 00:38:00.320 the second clearly coming through Dean Andrews the third, or no, in talking 549 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.000 to him, I basically talk to him. I did not meet with him. 550 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.880 Don could answer that better than I can. But yeah, he's got 551 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:14.920 quite a sensive humor, not pretentious at all, just just lays it out 552 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:20.239 there. For he's got some wonderfully funny stories talking about driving the cab at 553 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.519 one point. Yeah, just a wonderful character, just like his father. 554 00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:28.480 Take that on, Donald, Yeah, Don tell us about it because you've 555 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.280 had dinner with the guy and everything, so you've had a chance to observe 556 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.639 him physically as well. I guess. I guess. So Williams just talked 557 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.079 to him over the phone and stuff, right, Yeah, he was a 558 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.119 guest, regular guest over here, and I he's you know, he's living 559 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.920 and he lives in Section eight housing. He's got a little place and he 560 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:46.400 I go over there. In fact, I need his birthday's June ninth, 561 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:51.239 and I need to go over there and I'll take him out to lineeshit. 562 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.679 I've been doing that and using the woman that takes care of him and goes 563 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:59.039 there day. She comes along too and eats with us. But he's he's 564 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:02.679 always he is always entertaining. He's very funny, but there's a sense of 565 00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:07.719 sadness about him. You know. Sometimes he'll kind of talk about his life, 566 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.519 and he understands the fact that his father got drawn into the garrison. 567 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:15.679 His father got that his father never got that phone call in the hospital, 568 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.400 his life would be completely different, but he did, for whatever reason, 569 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.440 he got it, and he got sucked into it, got sucked into the 570 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:27.800 Garrison investigation, and their lives were never the same, and his lives is 571 00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.239 never same. He was on track to be a lawyer. Instead he ended 572 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.400 up, as William said, he drove a cab for years in New Orleans 573 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.599 and also learning. He had some very colorful stories to talk about John Goodman 574 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.199 and some other people, and I used to love hearing those things. And 575 00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:46.239 he is, he's a very colorful storyteller, and he he really had a 576 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.920 lot to offer. And it's a it's a shame that, you know, 577 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.960 he ended up. His life was spent in you know, trying to get 578 00:39:53.000 --> 00:40:00.159 help and not making enough money. Really, so he's on s SDI as 579 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:01.199 my brother was. Again that's how they met, you know, because they 580 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.320 had a lot of the same things going on. They both were on SSDI, 581 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:10.000 they both you know, qualified for special housing and so they just you 582 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:13.320 know, obviously came from different worlds. But you know, it was a 583 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.480 far cry from the way he was raised because again they were his father was 584 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:23.039 an affluent lawyer and very well known in New Orleans. But he's he's always 585 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.800 great to talk to. But I always feel a little sad for him too, 586 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:30.679 because you know, you look at because he said, but I think 587 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:32.199 he's seventy. I think he's going to be seventy one. Well, is 588 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:35.800 he? Is he happy with the way the book turned out? I mean, 589 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.519 your brother was also a colorful character. To my understanding too, you 590 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:42.599 and I talked about your brother quite a bit. Uh. And from what 591 00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.679 I understand and from what I heard from others, even your brother was an 592 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:50.800 interesting guy. Uh, you know, and and that's clearly Dean Andrews was 593 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.000 also an interesting guy. Dean Andrews the second was an interesting guy and had 594 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:58.679 an interesting son as well. So I guess he retained some of his father's 595 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.280 colorful characteristics. But he's a different sword of dude. Okay, fair enough. 596 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.480 So is he happy with the book? Does he like out turned out? 597 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.159 Yeah? Tell me about that. He's very happy with it, and 598 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:15.239 he's I think he's he's read it two or three times, and I know 599 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:22.360 he Uh. I gave him copies for his sisters, I think, to 600 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.719 send to them. I think he didn't think his mother, you know again, 601 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.599 his mother doesn't like him be reminded of it. I forget how many 602 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.519 copies that game, but I know I gave him alice for resist. I 603 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.480 never heard what they thought of it, because they were all he was also 604 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.760 supposed to be working on getting some of his William not City Wayam wanted him 605 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:42.599 very badly to see them writings. His father had stories and stuff he had 606 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.719 written, and so we thought that would be we would have been really cool 607 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.639 to include the book. But he was never able to get his hand. 608 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.320 We were lucky we got the photos we got because that wasn't easy for them, 609 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.119 because again, he's he's here in northern Virginia and his rest of his 610 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.840 family is his mother and sister in New Orleans. And you know it's I 611 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:06.280 mean, I don't I think he gets along okay with his sisters, but 612 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.480 I'm sure they look at him the way most of my family looked at my 613 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:14.360 brother. You know that he's on SSDIS you know, you know what it 614 00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:19.239 is. It's hard to judge because in family dynamics there's always stuff there that 615 00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:25.920 is unspoken and really not accessible to people outside of the family. And this 616 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.079 guy let you in a bit. And the photographs, that's another good point 617 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:34.280 to bring up here. Uh And and in fact, i'd like to get 618 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.679 both of your commentaries on this, because you have some interesting images in here, 619 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.079 including on the front of the book. I think there's a photo of 620 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:45.320 Dean Andrews. I don't think I've ever seen it before. What is the 621 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:46.880 the image of Andrews from there on the front of the book? Do you 622 00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:51.800 remember Do you know where we got that? Do you remember where we got 623 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:52.519 that one? From? Way? Is that is that it might have been 624 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:58.840 something Chris that was our publisher that found out. Yeah, I think Chris, 625 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.840 Chris Milligan pulled up. Okay. It's an interesting image though, because 626 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.039 there's not that many pictures of them. You know, there's stills from the 627 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:12.239 NBC thing out there, right, and there's like one other black and white 628 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.840 interview that he gave at some point for some TV station. But you don't 629 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:20.679 see a lot of imagism out there. So I found that one kind of 630 00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:25.239 interesting. But anyway, yeah, so what about the what else could we 631 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.360 say here is a good selling point for the book? How about William? 632 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.960 You give us a good point here? What is it that somebody could learn 633 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:37.400 in this book or get a new insight on that is different from other volumes? 634 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.239 It is different, by the way, it is a unique volume. 635 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:45.320 I'll tell you again. It's not a gigantic, hard to read thing either 636 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.000 that takes you a long time. It's entertaining. It moves along quickly, 637 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.800 even though they are laying out a lot of interesting information here, mainly guided 638 00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:59.440 by Don's style. I think throughout the book that's what I read from it. 639 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:01.760 But I mean, what is another good selling point? What else can 640 00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.800 somebody get out of this book, William, that they probably won't get out 641 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:13.840 of any other You know what I really like about this particular book is that 642 00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.719 I think, you know, we put we put skin on the bones of 643 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:25.719 this man. We show you that he was more than the person in the 644 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:34.000 movie that we give you his character it. Like I said, I think 645 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:38.639 he was a He was a fun, gregarious guy that if he hadn't been 646 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:45.719 touched by the jfk assassination, he might have gone on to have his dream 647 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:50.719 of the jazz festival that he loved so much. He loved music, he 648 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:57.000 loved people. He was good to people that didn't have anything. And you'll 649 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:02.000 find that out when when you read it. I love I love knowing the 650 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:07.880 backstory of the people that I write about. It's as interesting to me as 651 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:14.920 the main story they may be involved in. Well here's a specific question, 652 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:20.760 then, William, what about the look John Candy great portrayal? But we 653 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.039 get no sense that he has children. We get no sense that he's even 654 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:29.360 got a family. Dean Andrews, the character in JFK. Right, just 655 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:32.079 from the film, What about that aspect? Do you get an idea what 656 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:37.519 kind of father he was, and how what kind of husband he was all 657 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.159 that kind of thing. Do you get that, goodhead, Dean? You 658 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:46.440 get that. I was very interested in him as a person, Dean, 659 00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:51.440 but his father. I wanted to know everything I could get about his dad. 660 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:57.440 He tells a story about taking him and his sister to a Beatles concert 661 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.960 when they were on score. It was sixty four, and he talks about 662 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:07.639 all the girls just going absolutely nuts. And I think it was toward the 663 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.880 end of the concert. At the end of the concert, he sees he's 664 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:16.360 pointed out by his kid that this little girl is about to jump over the 665 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:21.119 balcony to get, you know, to the floor. And he's so freaked 666 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.400 out by this. He goes and he leaps out of his seat and he 667 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:28.559 goes and he gets this kid and keeps her from jumping, you know, 668 00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.079 off of this thing where she could have been killed or hurt. Right, 669 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:36.360 I mean, it's just things like that that you aren't gonna hear that anywhere 670 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:38.920 else? You know? Right? Well, and now I'll turn to down 671 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:44.920 on this because is there a sense do you get a before and after the 672 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:49.880 Garrison slash, you know JFK involvement, because look, clearly there's a story 673 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:54.280 from sixty four there regarding the Beatles that's previous to the Garrison investigation. Do 674 00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:00.480 you get a serious change? You know, at some point here you lay 675 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.039 it out and say, look, this is the guy before, this is 676 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.440 the guy after all these things went down. Do you get that transition noted 677 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.360 and kind of laid out the book as well done? Oh? Yes, 678 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.840 definitely. I mean there's a there's a demarcation point definitely from the time that 679 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.400 Andrews got sucked into the Garrison investigation. That was it. I mean their 680 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:23.880 their lives are never the same. I mean their their marriage was lucky to 681 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:29.159 stay together, you know, Jim Garrison didn't so many you know, somebody 682 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:31.760 whistleblowers and before they end up their families abandoned them. Well, you know, 683 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.880 Garrison's wife dies, you know, and why it's so cogn you to 684 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.639 watch Kevin Castro say, damn live, I got can't fight the whole world 685 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.880 and you too, well, and she ended up, you know, siding 686 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.039 with the whole world because she ended up. And one of the great revelations 687 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:50.079 in the book is from our friend John Barber, who contributed a lot to 688 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.920 it too. And you've probably heard that story, but I think if you 689 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.400 want to know what kind of person Jim Garrison was, he tells the story 690 00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:02.639 of how when Garrison was dying and hospital and again his wife had Liz had 691 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.800 abandoned him years before, it turned her back on him when he needed her 692 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:09.119 most, and so he had every right to hate her, to resent her. 693 00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:15.480 Instead, he demanded she be called to his betside and remarried to her 694 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.920 so she could collect his lucrative pension as a judge. Right. Yeah, 695 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.719 yeah, to me, that says, I don't know how many people would 696 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:24.599 have that kind of character. Well, that's a great story. And yeah, 697 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:30.079 John told that story on this show and I went over that with Joan 698 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.920 Mellon, and you know, it's it's a fairly well known story, but 699 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.320 it's interesting because again in that movie Sissy Spacek, I think it is place 700 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:43.840 Liz Garrison, right, and she, you know, is constantly seemingly battling 701 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.119 with Jim about Look, you know, you're getting more into this than you 702 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:51.840 are your own family and everything else. And I think that is a dynamic 703 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.840 that needs to be explored in every one of these characters, whether they're getting 704 00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.719 involved directly an investigation or you were a rece urcher at some point. I 705 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.639 gotta be honest with you. Your family, the people that are around you 706 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.639 one way or another turned to you and say, what the hell man? 707 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.760 You know you are putting so much time and effort and energy into this. 708 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.079 I mean, even if you're not writing a book like don you know, 709 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.119 they altern to you and say, what are you doing? You are putting 710 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:22.199 more time into this than you are us. You're putting more time into this 711 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.159 than you are the things you usually care about, et cetera, et cetera. 712 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.760 And that's a line of demarcation. As William Law so aptly coined the 713 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:37.199 phrase you know that that exists I think in the character of anybody who steps 714 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.840 into the pray regarding this. What are your thoughts there? Don Yeah, 715 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.119 well, and I think you can look at behind the scenes and we get 716 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:51.599 a sense of that. And Dean the third talking to William and it comes 717 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.320 out in there. He tells a lot of the Great Beatles anecdote, and 718 00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:59.760 there's a sense that his father was very funny. He used to talk about 719 00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.400 at home, and I think he looked at him, you know, really 720 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.760 favorably before that. Now I guess he was maybe he was. He was 721 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.719 traveled quite a bit. He talks about the strange trips and Wallim could probably 722 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:14.159 talk to that better than he took to Washington, DC. And he he 723 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:17.079 thinks something fishy would have been going on with his dad, with his connections 724 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.920 before, because he used to take these trips and he didn't really understand why, 725 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:25.599 couldn't explain them well. But they were a very stable family doing well 726 00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:29.559 before it. But from the time he, you know, again, he 727 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:34.199 became involved in the Garrison investigation, suddenly, I imagine they were probably scenes 728 00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.519 like they were in the Garrison household, on a much smaller scale. I'm 729 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:39.039 sure his wife, because I know how bitter she still is about it. 730 00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.880 She never recovered from it, and she thought to her husband was crazy, 731 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.679 and I tried to tell her, no, he wasn't crazy at all. 732 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.960 You know, this was this was a real thing, and he got himself 733 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:51.920 in the middle of it. I'm sure he didn't know what to do. 734 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:53.840 And he lied to try to protect you guys, probably, but I'm sure 735 00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:59.320 there were those kinds of things where she was probably maybe mad at him, 736 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.719 just like Garrison's wife was. Although his case that was ridiculous because all he 737 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:06.679 was was the guy got a phone call in the hospital. You know, 738 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:10.599 he wasn't he wasn't trying to reopen an investigation. But sometimes it shows what 739 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.119 happens when you know, people can the victim of circumstances where you just you're 740 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.920 just you know, something like that have And I get the sense that then 741 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:23.559 Andrews never really figured out why he got that call. But that's his connection 742 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:28.639 to the Kennedy assassination. If he had never gotten that call, he would 743 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.639 never been testified before the Warren Commission. Probably none of us would know who 744 00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:36.559 he was. Well, maybe there's somebody, some deep researcher might have found 745 00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.000 that, you know, this is the lawyer that Oiswald went to to help 746 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:45.519 with his dishonorable deschrudge or something. But that was his connection there. So 747 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:47.840 he's at the heart of the text because without him we don't know about the 748 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:54.360 clay Bertrand alias exactly. And that's the interesting thing here, so to kind 749 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:58.559 of close this out. I want to go to William Law and you know, 750 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.159 look, this isn't unusual character who if he had never been touched by 751 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:06.719 the Garrison investigation, if he had never been pulled into this, he would 752 00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.800 still have been an unusual and colorful character. It seems like h Dean Andrews 753 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:15.440 the second and of course his son is along for the ride. So you 754 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:17.440 get a sense of that, I guess in the book the before and after. 755 00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.639 What are your thoughts on that though? Do you think that you know? 756 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:27.760 Look, I think or the scary part is he did know why he 757 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.519 got that call, or he did know a lot more and needed to shut 758 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:35.079 it down. Is that the sense you got from it, William, that 759 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:40.079 you know this guy knew a lot more, probably could have created a stir 760 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:45.599 for people that didn't want anything stirred in that pot? Is that the sense 761 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:49.840 you get? What do you get he was afraid? I think he was 762 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.519 afraid because he did no more. He was He was friends with Carlos Marcello 763 00:52:53.599 --> 00:53:00.360 as well, and Dean talks about meeting him and that sort of thing, 764 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:07.000 and there was at one point where he feels he saved Marcello's life. I'll 765 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:13.119 let people read the book to find that one out. But Dean Andrews knew 766 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:16.400 a lot of people. I think there's a lot about him that even with 767 00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:21.880 what we know, we don't know all of it, not by a long 768 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:27.719 shot, nor does his son. But I think that's that's why in the 769 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:32.159 end he was so frightened. I do think that that he came to believe 770 00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:37.440 that he was being used and that after the whole thing was over, his 771 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:44.519 life was still in danger. I think that's what drove him crazy. And 772 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:47.320 even without the representing Oswald phone call, right, I mean, you could 773 00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:52.559 be still writing a book about a guy who was well hooked into the CD 774 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:58.119 underbelly, if you will, of the society in New Orleans at the time, 775 00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.400 because he knew people across the spectrum, right, I mean, he 776 00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:06.920 was representing not necessarily all the high profile, big name clients. He was 777 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:08.280 handling a lot of you know, he says even in that clip, right, 778 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:13.280 municipal court. Uh you know, I I heard that jump out of 779 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.400 the lingo real fast. There he's going to family court and handling you know, 780 00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:22.079 some of the most really ridiculous, time consuming, uh non profitable cases 781 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:28.079 in the New Orleans underbelly, and he seemed to know people from all walks 782 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.639 of life. At least that's the way I understand it is that Is that 783 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:37.639 accurate to your mind? Too? Well? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 784 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:39.280 I think that was that was all part of it. I do want to 785 00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:45.199 leave this one cautionary tale and that that with you know, I still find 786 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.280 it amazing all this time later, that that, you know, when Dawn 787 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.039 first told me that that he knew Dean Andrews the Third and he's just real 788 00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:58.320 casual about it. Yeah, And I'm like, you know Dean Andrews the 789 00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.239 Third, Well have you done anything with that? Well? Yeah, his 790 00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:05.639 mother comes over for then he comes over. He's friend, he is my 791 00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:10.119 best my brother's best friend. And I said, you're dealing with a historical 792 00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:16.400 character and you have access to this character and you haven't written about it yet. 793 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:21.760 And I said, do you ever think about writing about that? And 794 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.360 he said, I don't know that there's a book there, and you know, 795 00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:30.400 I almost fell over. You know, sometimes you can get so used 796 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.400 to these people. It's like I've known a number of people that were involved 797 00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:38.599 in some way from the the JFK case for so long, so many years 798 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:46.199 that after a while they stopped being a source, they start being friends, 799 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:51.599 they start being a close friend of yours, and you know, it's it's 800 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.159 just like with Jim Jenkins, that is the last man standing, so to 801 00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:59.599 speak, from that era. I'm very close with him, but it took 802 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.519 years. Years. I was very close with Paul O'Connor, and you you 803 00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:07.039 stop looking at them as this historical figure and just realize that they're human beings. 804 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:12.519 But at the same time you have to keep in mind that these are 805 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:16.920 historical characters that they need, they need to be treated with that respect. 806 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:22.519 And sometimes we can lose lose that if we get too close. Yeah, 807 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.719 I know, with all you write, researchers out there, keep that in 808 00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:29.360 mind. If you know these people, get their story. It's important, 809 00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:32.800 Yeah, get their stories and don't get bogged down in silliness. I got 810 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.440 bogged down in silly arguments with James Tag, you know, before I ever 811 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:43.760 got a chance to do anything with him, And you could get bogged down. 812 00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.400 He loved to talk, yes, and he would get me on the 813 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.559 phone sometimes and I'd be on there for hours with him and I couldn't I 814 00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.559 couldn't get off the phone with him. But a lot of times it would 815 00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:58.840 be because I didn't jump to agree with something and it didn't necessarily have to 816 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.440 do with the case. It could have in anything, and he would spend 817 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:06.920 literally two hours trying to drag me over to his side of whatever argument it 818 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:08.840 was that he thought I had with him. Uh, and it didn't matter. 819 00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:12.719 You know, does that sound does that sound like the guy? You 820 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:15.880 know? I told him I was writing something I can't remember what it was 821 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:17.960 years ago, and he says, well, you know, there's really no 822 00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.639 use because I've solved the case. Yeah. Oh that was. Yeah, 823 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.880 that was when he came out with his UH a little while later, his 824 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.280 uh Linda Johnson did it book right, And yeah, he started telling everybody 825 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:36.559 I've got it all solved now. Yeah, that was finding how many people 826 00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.079 that you talked to? I have. I have a friend that also in 827 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:44.039 the New Orleans area and she's an actress, and she says to me one 828 00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:46.480 time, I haven't got it all figured out yet. I'm I'm trying, 829 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:52.440 but you know, it's not something you can go in and just I've been 830 00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.760 at this for thirty five years now and I haven't got it all figured out 831 00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:01.079 right. You know, have you got it all figured out. No, 832 00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:05.760 And you know, as a as these guys die one by one, at 833 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:08.360 some point I'm going to be the senior member of the researchity. They got 834 00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:12.760 Robert Groaden, I don't know who else left. And I started in the 835 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:17.159 mid seventies as a teenager with Mark Walliamson group. So it's been a long 836 00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:22.559 time and the only the only thing that's solidified for me is obviously knowing that 837 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.599 people ask me to kill jfkn. I always tell them all they inadvertently proved 838 00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:30.480 that. It's definitely proved it wasn't our eyesball. Now who else I don't 839 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:34.239 know. You can, we can speculate, and and that's with this book. 840 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.280 I mean there's it's not really speculation, but I hope that you know. 841 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.159 And again, the research community is and William and I talk about this 842 00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:44.239 all the time. The research community won't be kind to this book. They 843 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:46.519 never are to either one of our works. They just ignore us pretty much. 844 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:52.199 So it won't matter really what is and that's a natural demographic. That 845 00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:57.119 the natural demographic for this book, it should be the research community. But 846 00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.559 they they have never supported me, and they have been not very kind. 847 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.719 William is the most underappreciated researcher out there. I think, uh so, 848 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:07.880 they're not gonna and having his name associated with me is not going to win 849 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:12.039 him. He's got gonna win him any new people from the research community, 850 00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.119 So they're they're not going to start now. But you know, I think 851 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:21.719 we demonstrate clearly here that there's a distinction between the real conspiracy, which I 852 00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.639 think was the top levels of the government, you know, you know, 853 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:29.039 however you want to delineate that. I think Oliver Stone got it pretty much 854 00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:32.480 right. Something in the air Consortium of forces within the CIA, the military 855 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:37.719 adjustrial Complex, the Pentagon and everything got together and they had an invested interest 856 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:42.840 obviously and in getting rented GfK. But I think they created this that they 857 00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:49.280 put Oswald into the millstrom of a Milly of New Orleans, put him in 858 00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.679 there, interacted with all these interesting characters like Banister and Ferry and all the 859 00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:58.639 anti Castro Cubans that had their own intelligence ties in many cases, and we're 860 00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:01.199 being manipulated as well. I think Shaw was the only member, and that's 861 01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:07.119 why he gets more attention in this book, because I think Shaw was was 862 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.639 a cut above. I think he was probably the conduit between the ground level 863 01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:16.039 conspiracy in New Orleans with all these players are being manipulated and the real conspirators 864 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:20.159 in Washington, DC or wherever. And I think he was connected to them. 865 01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:22.480 And you look at his his connections and they were at a whole different 866 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:24.800 level. This guy was, you know, he was sitting on the board 867 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:30.079 of perm Indecks with you know, people that were connected to Hitler and the 868 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:35.760 President of Hungary and all these really powerful figures. And he wasn't like the 869 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:40.400 others were had their connections. But there's no question that Shaw was was the 870 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:45.159 key man in that conspiracy. And I don't think I think Garrison understood that, 871 01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:46.280 But I don't know for sure. I think Garrison did the best he 872 01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:52.920 could where Shaw was the biggest fish he could find. Well with all with 873 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:58.599 all the chaos that you know, overran Garrison's investigation, some of the stuff 874 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:01.519 he brought upon himself, honestly, because he invited a whole lot of people 875 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:07.079 in I mean everybody from May Brussel to uh you know, so Weisberg showed 876 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.599 up there to help him out, you know, one way or another, 877 01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:13.840 and some people not to be so helpful, but maybe just to plant you 878 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:17.880 know, listening devices, you know this kind of thing. It's it's quite 879 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.039 a it's quite a mess. It's almost amazing that he kicked over any of 880 01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.800 the right rocks, considering all the interference there, not the least of which 881 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:30.360 came from Bobby Kennedy as well. But that's a story for yet another day. 882 01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.079 This one is Pipe the Bimbo and Red Dean Andrews, Jim Garrison and 883 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:39.079 the Conspiracy to Kill JFK. And the authors again, William Matts in Law 884 01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:44.519 and Donald Jeffries, in no particular order. I'll swap orders on those. 885 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:46.760 I don't know which order they are, and I think Jefferies is listed first 886 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.960 on the book, doesn't matter. The cover of the book is in red. 887 01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:53.880 And both of them have given you a very good indication for why it 888 01:01:54.000 --> 01:02:15.199 is. This is an interesting, valuable and unique volume in your jab going 889 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:25.679 to Chuck o'chelly, he's Shark or Shelley. You know it's Shark Shelley. 890 01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:30.800 You are about doing marking upon the great who say the eyes of the world 891 01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:35.639 out upon you, The hopes and prayers of liberty loving people everywhere march with 892 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:39.960 you in company with our brain allies and brothers in arms on the other front. 893 01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.039 Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, 894 01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:51.360 well equipped, and battle heart He will fight savage, command the man. 895 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:57.039 The tide has turned. The free men of the world are marching together 896 01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.960 to victory. Good luck, and let us all be seeking the blessing of 897 01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:21.000 Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking. 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