1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:12,400 And now Audio Theater Central. Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This 2 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,640 is the show that explores family friendly audio drama through news, reviews and interviews. 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,920 I'm your host, JD. Sutter. This is episode two oh one. 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,239 In just a few minutes, I'll be joined by ATC contributor Austin Peache 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,960 and we're going to be reviewing album seventy five of Adventures and Odyssey. It's 6 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,679 going to be a ride, so get ready buckle up. Oh no, 7 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:41,439 wait, that was the last album. Anyway, We've got some feedback coming 8 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,399 up from Nato, Bethany Rose, and David. But before we get to 9 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,719 all of that, let's jump into some audio drama updates. We interrupt this 10 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:55,520 program to bring you a special report and in other news tonight, a brief 11 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,560 look at the headlines. Now they want exciting, fast piece news that's and 12 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:07,599 entertaining like this. If you are involved in an audio drama production, please 13 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:11,519 do not forget about the ATC News submission form. Please let us know about 14 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:15,680 what's going on, even if it's just a small update that you've posted a 15 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:19,280 cast list or something like that, new releases, whatever it might be, 16 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:25,760 Please let us know. There is a link right on our homepage at audio 17 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,760 Theatercentral dot com to send that information. I'm going to keep beating this drum 18 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,200 until people start using it. I'm trying my best to stay on top of 19 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:38,239 the news, but it's just way too much. Back in the day, 20 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,400 when we were just pretty much following adventures not a Sea and a Lamplider Theater 21 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:49,680 and maybe the Brinkmann Adventures, there was just a few ongoing series that I 22 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:53,280 had to try to track down updates on. But now there's so much going 23 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,159 on, and I've said this before that is a great thing. I love 24 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,280 it, but it's just too much for me to try to race out and 25 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:06,640 track down every single update that's going on before every episode. So please help 26 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:10,240 me to help you get the word out about what you're doing by sending us 27 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:16,360 those updates through that form. Well, before we jump into upcoming releases and 28 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:22,639 new releases, there are a couple of platforms that I'm really excited to tell 29 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:28,879 you about. First off is one called libro FM. Now you may have 30 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:35,759 already heard of this website, but it is essentially an audible competitor for audiobooks. 31 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:42,080 However, they do have quite a bit of audio drama and the reason 32 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,919 why I'm talking about them is because for a very long time, there hasn't 33 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:53,039 been a really good way of getting audio dramas that have been produced by the 34 00:02:53,080 --> 00:03:00,199 BBC. They would occasionally release some of them on different websites, and it 35 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:07,080 was never really easy to get copies of them until recently. The easiest way 36 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:14,240 to obtain legal copies of BBC audio dramas was to search around on Amazon and 37 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:20,000 try to find the limited few that they have released on CD. And there 38 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,360 was not a huge number compared to how many shows that they have produced, 39 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,319 so you know, you would have to buy the CD copies and then if 40 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,280 you wanted digital ones, you'd have to rip them and add them to your 41 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:38,039 own personal library. Then a few years ago they started releasing a big chunk 42 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,199 of their stuff on Audible. Now that's great if you are an Audible member 43 00:03:43,199 --> 00:03:47,879 and you really enjoy that platform. However, you do not actually own those 44 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:55,360 audio dramas because those are Audible files, you know, and yes, even 45 00:03:55,439 --> 00:04:00,199 if you stop being a member, you still have access. But if something 46 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,520 were to happen, something crazy, the Audible platform goes away or somehow those 47 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:13,560 titles got removed from the platform, you didn't actually have those files on your 48 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,639 computer, so you didn't really own them. Again, if you're okay with 49 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,160 that, if you're fine with that risk, then that's cool. Keep using 50 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:26,560 Audible because they do have a huge number of BBC audio dramas, and I'm 51 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,560 primarily talking about the classic literature adaptations, which are really my favorites that the 52 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:36,959 BBC has done. But with Libro FM, all those same titles are now 53 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:46,920 available on this platform, and they offer DRM free downloadable files, so you 54 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,360 actually have the MP three's. That is a huge benefit in my book. 55 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:57,399 Now, they still do have a lower audio quality than I would prefer for 56 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:03,800 audio dramas, but at least you actually own the files. And again before 57 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:09,079 a lot of these titles were only available on CD, and some of them 58 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,800 are out of print in CD, and so they would cost a lot of 59 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,959 money. For instance, the I think around thirteen hours long Lord of the 60 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:23,519 Rings adaptation, it's all three parts. There was a beautiful box set with 61 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:30,000 maps and everything. I got it on Amazon several years ago, probably close 62 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,959 to ten years ago now, and I think I paid something around somewhere around 63 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,680 thirty five dollars something like that, and it was a used copy. But 64 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,160 the CDs were in great condition when I looked at the price of that, 65 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,040 because it's out of print now. Not long ago, there were only a 66 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:53,600 couple of copies available on Amazon and they were like one hundred some dollars. 67 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:56,639 It is a beautiful set. If you've got the budget and you want to 68 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,399 get that CD set, it would be a great addition to your collection. 69 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,759 But now you can get the digital files. Like I said, Lord of 70 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:10,519 the Rings, David Copperfield, Pilgrim's progress been her all kinds of classical adaptations 71 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,240 Sherlock Holmes, So this is a great platform. They do have an app 72 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:18,839 and you can stream those files through their app if you want to. But 73 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:24,199 again I think the biggest selling proposition is that you can actually download and own 74 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,199 the files. They also have a pretty good selection of some collections of old 75 00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:33,519 time radio episodes, some of the Graphic Audio productions. I don't endorse everything 76 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:36,399 that Graphic Audio has produced, but they do have some really great stuff. 77 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,360 Red Wall another series that is a really good one. So lots of great 78 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,079 audio drama on there. There are links in the show notes and if you 79 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:53,879 don't mind, please use my links because these are affiliate links, which allows 80 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:57,759 Libro fm to give ATC a little bit of a kickback if you use our 81 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:01,360 links. So Libro fm is a great platform if you want to purchase some 82 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:10,600 great BBC Radio classic literature adaptations in audio drama form. The other platform I'm 83 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:14,639 excited to tell you about is called window Seat. Now. Window Seat is 84 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:18,920 a new app that will give your child access to a world of Christian audio 85 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:26,000 dramas, podcasts, and daily devotionals, all tailor made to ignite their imagination, 86 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:30,639 inspire their faith and cultivate their values. Now, this is a Christian 87 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:39,120 only audio platform that is aimed toward ages five to sixteen. I have been 88 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,319 talking with this team now for a few months and this is going to be 89 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:48,839 launching very soon, sometime this summer twenty twenty four. It will be app 90 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:55,160 only at launch, but a web version of their platform will be coming again. 91 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:59,759 This will be Christian only content. They will have shows such as base 92 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Camp, Adventures, Your Story Hour, Pirateeers, Witnesses, Discovery, Mountain, 93 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,560 Nick Guy, Private Eye, The Human Eel, and many more to 94 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:13,920 come. This is shaping up to be a really interesting platform if you're looking 95 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:20,839 for some quality Christian audio drama programming. They do plan to add other types 96 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:24,800 of programming like I mentioned podcasts and devotionals and things like that, but they're 97 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:30,439 putting a huge focus on Christian audio drama. So if you are interested, 98 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:35,960 either as a consumer or as a producer, head over to windowseat dot Io. 99 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,480 There's also a link in the show notes and there is a place to 100 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:43,840 join their waiting list, so you can be notified the moment the app launches, 101 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,600 and if you are a producer, you can reach out and let them 102 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,919 know about your show. This again is shaping up to be a really interesting 103 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,720 platform. Now, this is different from Drama Phi. Drama Phi is way 104 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:03,080 more open. They have all kinds of content and it is not exclusively Christian. 105 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:11,240 So these two different apps are aiming for a much different demographic and consumer. 106 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,960 So I think there's a room in this space for multiple different options. 107 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:20,679 But if you're looking for Christian only content, this is an option that you 108 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:26,759 really want to consider. It's going to be affordable, and the tech behind 109 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:31,600 what they're doing looks really, really good, So again you want to keep 110 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:37,000 an eye out for this Windowseat dot Io. Now, one final note before 111 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:41,600 we move into the new releases, and that is the Audio Drama Institute that 112 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:46,919 John Tharnoff has been putting together. I've referenced it in the past, but 113 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,360 there is a little bit more information coming and we hope to have a website 114 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:56,000 up very soon with all of the details. But Phil Lawler, Kathy Buchanan, 115 00:09:56,039 --> 00:10:01,519 and John Tharnoff are launching an all new Writers Recharge seminar. It will 116 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,720 be September fifteenth through the twenty first, and this is going to be top 117 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:11,360 tier instruction for writers with, as John puts it, a kick in the 118 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,759 pants, inspiration and a whole lot of fun. They will all be teaching 119 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,879 in person and meeting with writers one on one on the campus of the new 120 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:26,960 South Georgia Studios in Valdosta, Georgia. So again, more details to come, 121 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:30,679 but if this sounds like something you would be interested in, save the 122 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:35,720 date September fifteenth through the twenty first. More information in terms of cost and 123 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:39,240 everything else will be coming as soon as we have it, and we will 124 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,679 try to keep you informed on any developments as they come for this audio drama 125 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:50,919 institute. All right, let's jump into new releases. Triple Chord Productions is 126 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:56,639 a brand new audio drama company and they have officially launched just recently with their 127 00:10:56,759 --> 00:11:03,480 first short form production called Appalachian Tales Bonnie Kate. It is available to listen 128 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:05,720 to on their website, or you can download it for free through their store. 129 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,399 They have plans for more full length and micro audio dramas in the works. 130 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,000 Triplecordproductions dot com is their website. They are on the socials as well. 131 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,960 Link is in the show notes if you want to check that out and 132 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,799 give a listen to their first production. Really excited to see another new entrant 133 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:28,200 into this space and really looking forward to hearing what they come up with. 134 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:35,919 Also out now Brinkman Adventures Season ten, Redemptive Velocity. Now, I think 135 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,080 this might be the first time they've done this, but all six episodes are 136 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:46,200 the same title, so it's Redemptive Velocity Parts one through six. The summary 137 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,720 is the Brinkman family has no idea what they're getting into after they enter a 138 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:58,600 high stakes reality show RV race across the country. Redemptive Velocity is full of 139 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:03,600 exciting plot twists, turns, and head spinning audio drama action. What starts 140 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:09,720 as a fun family race quickly becomes a threat to deeply held beliefs, values, 141 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:15,799 and even personal safety. Will the Brinkman's Finish the Great gueemy RV Race 142 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:22,360 victoriously or will the race finish them? These six new, apologetically themed episodes 143 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,240 deal with some challenging questions and issues facing Christians today. They will keep you 144 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:33,360 and your family listening and guessing until the rip roaring end. Wow, it 145 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:39,200 sounds like a wild ride. Let's give a listen to a little teaser four 146 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:50,639 part one. Hey there, Peter, what you're doing? Take you a 147 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,679 video for the Brinkman Channel? What you're on TIEV now? No, it's 148 00:12:54,759 --> 00:13:00,960 just an Internet channel. Amazing, isn't What's amazing? Your mom's phone has 149 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:05,679 more computing power than all the computers used to send our men to the moon. 150 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:11,360 Now they even have a mini movie studio built in. Never thought much 151 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,799 about it. That phone has a microphone camera, GPS tracking, twenty four 152 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:22,000 hour news applications, access to almost every library in the world, more information 153 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,320 than the library in Alexandria, a virtual post office, and if you want, 154 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,240 you can even use it to speak to someone across the planet. Those 155 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,639 are all good things, right, Oh sure, But like all tools, 156 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:39,720 technology can be used for good and bad. It's up to the user. 157 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,000 What's that thing you got there? It helps me get around since my hip 158 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:48,440 surgery gets called a walker. I love that rote. Yeah, I'm monitor 159 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:52,559 to get back here so I can help this young lady with her flowers. 160 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:58,440 What you're doing, miss Berdi? Covering my roses back up? I always 161 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:03,399 get excited and uncover for them too early. It's supposed to freeze again tonight, 162 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,159 Wisconsin. Who weather? If you don't like it, just wait five 163 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,720 minutes. Can you bring in some firewood? Sure? Mom oh as always 164 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:18,720 sounds like a lot of fun with the Brinkman's Redemptive Velocity is now available on 165 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:26,919 CD and digital download. Also out now lamp Lader Theater's first audio drama in 166 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:33,600 Espanol, and it is one that we've heard of. It is The Boy 167 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,759 of Mount Regi in Spanish and Joven del Monte Rigi. Pardon my terrible Spanish 168 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,879 accent, but if you are a Spanish speaker and you want to hear some 169 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:48,679 great, high quality audio drama in Spanish, there is a link in the 170 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,799 show notes to check that out, and it is only available as a digital 171 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:00,720 download. I don't believe CDs are being offered at this time, and looking 172 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:05,960 ahead to what is coming soon. Also from Lamplighter Theater. Tip Lewis and 173 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:09,639 his Lamp is available for pre order now. I believe this one was recorded 174 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:15,240 back in May and so it is in post production. But it was written 175 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:20,080 by Phil Lawler. And do we have a couple of cast members. Jake 176 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:28,080 Phillips voices the character of mister Burrows. Gary Nation voices Minister Holbrook. Also 177 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,080 in the cast Craig Hart, Nato Jacobson, and Luke David. So a 178 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,600 little bit about this one. Tip is a leader, but not the kind 179 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:39,600 you'd want in your Sunday school class. Not only is he full of sarcasm 180 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:45,720 and provocations, he is the naughtiest boy in school until he hears a story 181 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:50,039 that compels him to come face to face with who he is and who he 182 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,879 would like to become. As I said, this one was written by Phil 183 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:58,480 Lawler and it is available for pre order now. Link is in the show 184 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:06,919 notes and an update on The Caller from Audio Imagination seventy seven Productions. Production 185 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,200 has been completed on The Caller and post production is underway. The release date 186 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:17,360 will be September thirtieth, twenty twenty four. The cast includes Logan Warner, 187 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,840 Annie Di Martino, Craig Hart, Jonathan Cook, Live, Joe Hanson, 188 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:27,279 Austin Simmons, Casey Barry Anderson, and Alicia Hanson. Still in post production, 189 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,320 so we don't know the final runtime, but it's looking like it's going 190 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,360 to be somewhere around thirty five to forty minutes. And this script, which 191 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:40,039 was written by Matthew Warner, is based on the urban legend of the Babysitter 192 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:45,120 and the Man Upstairs. Looking for a release this fall, and the artwork 193 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:48,399 has been posted on their socials if you want to check that out link in 194 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:55,120 the show notes. And finally, I am really excited about this one. 195 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,639 A new musical audio drama. I've talked about this before. This is something 196 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:04,599 I've wanted wanted to see high quality audio drama musicals for adults, because there's 197 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,880 been a lot of musical audio drama for children over the years in the family 198 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:15,359 friendly space, but not much in terms of content for adults. So a 199 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:22,400 name that you've heard on this show before, actor David Sanborn and Ellen Sanborn 200 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,640 have joined forces with John Fornoff to create a new musical audio drama that will 201 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,920 be released on radio. This mother and son duo have written and toured with 202 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Stage musicals and different venues throughout the world, and this new show will incorporate 203 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:41,839 their most successful musicals and introduce fun new material as well. Again, I'm 204 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:47,359 super excited about this. More information will be coming soon. As soon as 205 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,839 I hear, will try to get that information out to you. This sounds 206 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:56,119 like it's going to be fantastic, so I'm really looking forward to this. 207 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,400 Well, I think it's time to bring Austin Peache on and let's talk about 208 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:06,359 Adventures in Odyssey. I remember her from that radio program what was it? 209 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:11,359 A Western musical melodrama? You helped out with the kids radio program and you 210 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:17,599 were great, another important tool of acting, the art of becoming Should we 211 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:23,759 alo or or something? For what? Well, once again it is time 212 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:30,599 to talk about Adventures in Odyssey. And this is gonna be a tough one. 213 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:34,279 It's gonna be a tough one because this is this is an album that 214 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:41,319 so many people have been looking forward to, myself included, and I do 215 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,160 know that it's been out for a little while now and lots of people have 216 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,279 been waiting for us to talk about it here on the show. Well, 217 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:55,640 the time has come to talk about Adventures in Odyssey album seventy five. The 218 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,759 Best is yet to come, released in October of twenty twenty three and begin 219 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:07,079 airing in early October through mid November. So yes, we're a little bit 220 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:11,559 late in getting to it. But you know what, this is a milestone 221 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,400 album, and this is a well it's the end of an era. I 222 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:21,720 think even Eugene uses that line in the last episode of this album. So 223 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,880 this one is it's a bittersweet. There are some beautiful moments in it, 224 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:34,640 and there are some ones that make you cry, and so yeah, it's 225 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,640 time to talk about it and let's just let's just get all the feelings off 226 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,279 our chest. So lost of FIGI is here joining me to talk about this 227 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:48,440 album. You ready to do this? I hope. So good to be 228 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:53,519 back. Okay, well, you know, I don't think there's much needed 229 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,640 in the way of introduction here. As I said, you know, this 230 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,839 is the album that folks have been looking forward to for quite some time with 231 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,599 a mixture of anticipation and dread, I think, because everybody was aware that 232 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,160 this was going to be the sindoff for the character of Eugene, or at 233 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,720 least that's sort of what we were pretty much anticipating. You know, we 234 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,640 weren't one hundred percent sure how it was going to play out, but we 235 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:25,200 knew there was going to be some sort of resolution with this character. So 236 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,319 that's what we get here. So Austin, will you do us the honors 237 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:33,720 of given the folks a little bit of a refresher and sharing the summary. 238 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:45,039 I'd be happy to The race is long. Sometimes stumble helps me up. 239 00:20:48,000 --> 00:21:00,640 It's time my fault now loose hope, he gives me courage, swap song, 240 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:22,079 give mind to run long, and can wait to make it. The 241 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:30,480 Best is yet to Come, the promise, even wait, the fallive. 242 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:34,880 Everything has led to this moment. A new technology created by Odyssey's own Eugene 243 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,440 Meltzer, could change medical science as we know it. This new creation would 244 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:45,240 improve the lives of thousands, even millions, but Eugene is the only one 245 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:48,039 who can guide his work into the future. The four part adventure The Best 246 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:52,240 Is Yet to Come presents an incredibly difficult decision for the Meltzner family, with 247 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:57,119 implications for their friends and the rest of the world. Meanwhile, and two's 248 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,839 Company four as a crowd, Zuo Rydell pulls Emily Jones into a mystery where 249 00:22:02,839 --> 00:22:06,359 the clues contradict themselves, they find a way to work together and solve a 250 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,759 bizarre case, and finally, a mysterious phone call gets Penny Bass an opportunity 251 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,960 to bring closure to a dark chapter from her past. The process comes with 252 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,039 its own painful revelations. Don't miss as far as it depends on me. 253 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:26,359 Past, present and future collide at a critical turning point this summer, and 254 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,759 our friends in Odyssey will realize that despite difficult times, the best is yet 255 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:36,960 to come. So this album is just over two and a half hours long 256 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:41,519 and two hours thirty five minutes if you include the two bonus tracks, which 257 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:48,039 are both songs this time. Interesting that they didn't have any sort of extra 258 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,079 scenes or interviews or anything like that, but I guess it was sort of 259 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:59,400 appropriate that they were both songs relating to that four part episode. And they 260 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,200 actually are nice little editions. I mean they sound great. Yeah, we 261 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:10,000 don't get acoustic version songs very often, that's true. That's true. Yeah, 262 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:15,680 just nice acoustic guitar, and as we'll get to later on the singing 263 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:21,319 their voices Robbie, Bruce and Shona just sound really great. So yeah, 264 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:26,920 I really enjoyed those extra bonus tracks there, So you know, there are 265 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,480 two episodes before we get to the climax of this album, which I'm not 266 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:37,480 sure that everybody is. I'm pretty sure everybody is waiting for us to talk 267 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:41,720 about but we're gonna go in order. We'll talk about these first, you 268 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:47,319 know, and then we'll move into the big topic that I know that that 269 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,680 people are interested in. So we're gonna start with episode nine sixty four, 270 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,119 as far as it depends on me, written by Abigail Geiger and directed by 271 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,839 Marshall Junger, with sound designed by Zack Schneider and music by John Campbell, 272 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,400 who incidentally does the music for every one of the episodes on this album. 273 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,319 Austin, I'm gonna let you kick things off. Any initial thoughts on as 274 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,240 far as it depends on me? Yeah, I'm what if we're gonna have 275 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,720 one of those moments where we disagree very much on the episode. I'm interested 276 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,920 to know what you thought about this episode. But kind of the introduction did 277 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,920 there a lot of people were thinking like, oh, we'll get to the 278 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,799 four parter and use these two. You know, this got kind of overlooked, 279 00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:34,000 but really this episode was quite good in my opinion. I really enjoyed 280 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,039 it. It was a not a big epic kind of story or wasn't like 281 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:45,279 a big comedy or anything like that. It was a very not necessarily cozy, 282 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:48,960 but it's a nice slice of life episode that we don't get too often 283 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:56,039 in Odyssey, and bringing back elements from the Greener Conspiracy, and also Woot 284 00:24:56,039 --> 00:25:03,160 and a Penny both being written well, and the really good moral and Penny 285 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,799 the time that she can actually teach somebody. I love those moments. So 286 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:12,559 yeah, I really enjoyed this episode a lot. So I didn't I didn't 287 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:18,400 hate this one, but I also didn't love it either. I did think 288 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,039 it was interesting to revisit this whole storyline, Like, was anyone really clamoring 289 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:26,480 for a resolution of the Trask thing? I mean, it was sort of 290 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,359 an interesting idea, but it was not anything that I was expecting. I 291 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,960 don't think anybody really cared about that, you know, So it was an 292 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:40,400 interesting thing for them to bring that back. But I will agree with your 293 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,920 assessment that in general, this was an interesting storyline. It had some heartfelt 294 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,400 moments, and it was nice to see Penny in a more serious mode. 295 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:52,839 You know, I've said this before, and I don't want to beat a 296 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,000 dead horse, but you know, I'm not a big fan of the character 297 00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:00,400 of Penny, so this one where she is actually acting a little more mature. 298 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,839 For the most part, there are some moments which still made me cringe 299 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:08,039 a little bit, but uh, for the most part, she was pretty 300 00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,799 normal. And she even makes a joke about that or or I think it 301 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,279 was it was the word normal that they used. You want to she said, 302 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,880 yeah, like, oh, we're not normal or something like that. 303 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:23,759 Well, she said, it's it would be nice. The daughter I'm blanking 304 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:27,079 on the name now, Elizabeth, she said it would be nice to talk 305 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,480 with somebody normal or something like that, and and Penny was like, and 306 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:34,519 She's like, what do you mean by normal or something like that. So, 307 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:40,000 yeah, we know that the Penny is quirky. But yeah, overall, 308 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:42,920 I did like how she was portrayed in this one. But I did. 309 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,799 I did still have some some things about this episode that I thought were 310 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,680 kind of corny, but overall I did enjoy it. Now here's one of 311 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,759 the moments that I thought was a little bit off. At the moment when 312 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,079 the mother via recognizes Penny and calls her riff Raff who framed her son and 313 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:04,000 that all that kind of stuff. She basically just like calls her out right 314 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:10,359 there, and that was obviously a moment that was meant to be a commercial 315 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,079 break or a break for the radio version, because there was no need for 316 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,880 them to really cut that scene because it picks up immediately right at that moment 317 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,680 again, but it goes into a music queue right there, which again was 318 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:29,680 for the radio broadcast to go to break there. But the music there felt 319 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,319 all comedic, which was a little bit weird to me because this was a 320 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,640 dramatic moment. She's like, basically, Oh, I recognized you from the 321 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,319 trial. You were one of the ones who framed my son, and we 322 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,000 have this kind of quirky, comedic sounding music que there, which I felt 323 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,359 was a little bit off. I would have liked to have had something a 324 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,559 little bit more dramatic, not overly so, but I don't know, it 325 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:56,279 just felt a little bit odd. Yeah, I don't think I would have 326 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,960 noticed that until you said it, but I would have. Sometimes I love 327 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,960 Don Campbell's music, but sometimes for some of stuff for Odyssey, sometimes things 328 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,240 go to like an extreme in one direction where it should be like more subtle 329 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:14,640 in some ways, or like some that it's over dramatic in some cases on 330 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:18,000 some episodes for certain moments, And I think this is probably I'm turn think 331 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:21,119 back to the queue. I have a general idea of how it was in 332 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,960 there, but I think, yeah, that comedy with that is like it's 333 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,200 speosally kind of comedic. I think you could have some comedic elements in that, 334 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,039 but it's kind of like I don't think you have to get you know, 335 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,680 very kind of you know, very serious tone there, and you can 336 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:37,640 have me some elements of that in it. But yeah, it just felt 337 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,440 a little bit too bouncy. I guess I don't know how else to say 338 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,519 it. Yeah, yeah, which I like to accent for for Verra, 339 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:49,279 like the actress for Vera, and also you know Elizabeth. I I enjoyed 340 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,160 those characters quite a bit, like you know, this is you know, 341 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,480 one off characters you never heard from them before. Yeah, you know, 342 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,720 they're all related to you know, Benjamin Trask, which I know some people 343 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,799 mentioning and I think you mentioned earlier that you thought it was like too far 344 00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:06,440 past that point. I don't think so, because honestly brings back a lot 345 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,599 of old stuff things like Wonderworld or like Tasha Forbes, like in the Radell 346 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,079 Revelations, or even more recently like Extended Cut. It's kind of a sequel 347 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:21,440 kind of episode to an older episode. But I felt like this, I 348 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,480 felt like it was resolved to a point there, like in a Penny Saved, 349 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,839 because we hear he goes to jail. It's not like he, you 350 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:29,519 know, escaped prison or something like that, and we you know, mister 351 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,240 Skin has been caught in that kind of stuff, and of course Archie Hagler 352 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:36,000 is still in jail and mister grow it's been captured. But I like how 353 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,000 this kind of focus is and it has some distance from that, which kind 354 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,279 of plays into the moral of it, where sometimes you may think you have 355 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:47,440 moved on from a certain point and then you reminded of that and maybe things 356 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,200 aren't as resolved or as settled as you thought, and that can be a 357 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,440 good thing because that it's not like Penny is now officially done with this and 358 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,240 officially forgiven him even after these new things happened that she realized that we was 359 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,319 doing. But I felt, hey, if you had an issue with this, 360 00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:07,279 you should have an issue with anytimes honesty brings things from like ten years 361 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:10,519 ago. Yeah, no, so I don't. I don't have a problem 362 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,720 with it being you know, the amount of time that it's been, so 363 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,599 yeah, I didn't say that that it's been too long since and I'm just 364 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,920 saying it was just like, I mean, everybody wanted wants to hear more 365 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,400 from Tasha Forbes or or you know, mentions of cool things from the past 366 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,279 like Wonderworld and stuff, but this character felt like it had already been resolved 367 00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:33,839 trask, and so I would just like, Okay, why why bring that 368 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,160 back? Was it was there really was any Was there really a need to 369 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,519 do that? But I already tract the comment. I mean, other people 370 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,000 still made that comment, but yeah, like no, I get, I 371 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,039 get what you're saying there, but I think that's one thing that which i'd 372 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:52,359 go Geiger wrote this episode. I know you're not a big fan of her 373 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:53,960 writing, but I really like a lot of her episodes, and in this 374 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,960 episode and the following one, I think in one of the official podcast episodes, 375 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:06,440 she likes writing stories about conflict like interpersonal communication and relationships, but she's 376 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,640 done a lot of episodes like that in If I Never Told you, and 377 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,599 I'm blanking on some of the other ones. But she does such a great 378 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,680 job of creating realistic conflicts and showing how to work through those problems in a 379 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:29,400 very unique way. And I think I said this maybe on the last review 380 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,240 I was with you. They're talking about legally Wutin, But Abigolu Giger I 381 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,279 think does the best writing for Wootin and Penny because usually when she writes for 382 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,240 them, they're at their best. Marsha Younger is probably like a second, 383 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:47,599 but I think at this point Abigail does a great job writing for those characters, 384 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:52,279 making them not just super goofy, but having a balance at their goofy 385 00:31:52,359 --> 00:32:00,720 side, and they're kind of more why side pun not intended, But like 386 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,480 with wuten, he takes time to talk to her, to teach her, 387 00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:09,440 and even Penny gets a point where she can finally see through her sadness and 388 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,000 things like that. And I won't say the name of the person, but 389 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:15,960 I know you and I were having a conversation with somebody that we know who 390 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,720 she relates quite a bit with Penny, and even the Penny seems a little 391 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,519 bit unrealistic, this person actually relates to her a lot, and yeah, 392 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,960 there may not be that many people that relate to her, but the people 393 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,960 that can, I think works really great for them. And I think it's 394 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,400 one thing that I really like about when Penny is written this way, like 395 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,920 in this one and for a Penny I'm trying to think, like in the 396 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:43,279 I think It's Into the Woods or Out of the Woods and album fifty nine, 397 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,119 when she's talking about her church experiences and that kind of stuff, those 398 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:51,799 moments are really great. That makes Penny not just an air headed character. 399 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,200 And I love how this episode brought that across well. To your point about 400 00:32:55,599 --> 00:33:01,079 writing the conflict, well, that's for sure because the whole mother daughter dynamic 401 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:05,920 there was really really well done, I think, And I'll get to that 402 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,559 in a moment, but before there's a couple of wooden lines. Like I 403 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,559 said, there were some that I thought were fun. There were some that 404 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,359 were or not so much to me, but I did like that. I 405 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,240 mean, this was such a wooten thing to say right towards the beginning there 406 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:24,400 when when Vera says something to Elizabeth and like uses her full name and Woulden 407 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,319 says, ah, she called you by your middle name and everything, you 408 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:31,079 know, I was like, that was such a wooden thing, and I 409 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:35,960 thought that was kind of funny. But later when he's talking too Penny, 410 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:40,720 I did like that moment because he's trying to be serious and just you know, 411 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,119 share with her his perspective. And he starts talking about his brother and 412 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,000 everything, and we've a really deep, serious moment, and then he says 413 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,920 something about Wellington. He was always shouting in his phone bye bye bye. 414 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,759 I thought that was a weird way to say goodbye, and I didn't want 415 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,759 that, and I thought, oh, come on, like that is a 416 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,880 very awkward moment to insert a really dumb joke, like Wudent's not an idiot. 417 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,480 I said this. I think in the last review, Woudent's not stupid. 418 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,960 Yes, he might misunderstand some things, but come on, he's not 419 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,960 that dumb. He's a businessman himself. To that though, it's kind of 420 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,000 meaning of Yeah, he's being kind of fun. I don't think it was 421 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:22,840 too out a place, but it's kind of saying his saying about how he 422 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,119 saw his brother acting and he didn't want to be like him. Yeah, 423 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:30,559 I get that. I get that, But the whole the bye bye bye 424 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,079 joke, I mean, it was just really dumb moment to insert that he's 425 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,119 trying to be serious, and I just felt very odd to drop a joke 426 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,119 right there. I would have much preferred him to just keep that serious tone 427 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,440 with her and just be heartfelt instead of trying to be funny. Whether whether 428 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:51,760 that was the writer making the decision to make a joke there that Rudin really 429 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,920 didn't understand what his brother was saying, or if it was just him trying 430 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,039 to be funny. Either way, that was not a good moment to insert 431 00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:04,039 that in my opinion, agree to disagree, but continue. Well that's all 432 00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:07,599 I have about that, but I just yeah, it just felt really really 433 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,840 odd, Like, yes, there are moments when you want to diffuse tension 434 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,199 with humor, but there was no tension there necessarily. He was just being 435 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,960 very heartfelt with his wife, and yeah, so it just felt weird. 436 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,039 But back to the mother daughter thing, after that blow up there with Elizabeth 437 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:30,440 and Viira, which again I thought was very uh, that's felt very genuine 438 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:35,880 and those two actresses were fantastic. They did a great job with that, 439 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,119 sure, and then when Penny praise there, that was a really really sweet 440 00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:45,039 moment. I really liked that. Yeah, and this episode also because even 441 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:50,239 at the end of like greenw Conspiracy Part eleven, I think it is we 442 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,320 hear about Delta Trask being the real bad guy and him, you know, 443 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,800 making that comment about a thing about all these things when I'm counting my millions 444 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,880 or something like that. His voice is very on a calming and yeah, 445 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,719 he was a villain and this big villain, but I think this episode kind 446 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,440 of made me dislike him even more of what he was doing because you know, 447 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:13,760 stealing the artwork and like doing on his own and keeping it and that 448 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,320 kind of stuff. Like, Okay, I can really understand why Penny would 449 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,880 have a harder time with this because she had already gotten over him being this 450 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,320 you know, you have that kind of distance to a certain extent of them 451 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,679 doing this bad thing to other people. Yeah, he also like a kidnapped, 452 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,880 I mean these other people, but this I think is at a more 453 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:37,079 personal level to a certain extent that maybe it even harder to take m Yeah. 454 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,239 Yeah, so yeah, overall, I thought it was a pretty decent 455 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,800 episode. I did like those side characters. And it's weird because I don't 456 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,559 know, is it bad that I found that the best moments and the most 457 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:53,280 compelling part of this episode was these side characters that will probably never hear from 458 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,039 again, and not the main characters. I mean, I felt more connected 459 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:01,960 to what was going on with them than than Penny and Wooten's. But overall 460 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:07,079 it was a pretty decent episode. Well, I have to say this is 461 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:10,679 probably the best, if not one of the best, just Wooten and Penny 462 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,519 episodes as like them as main characters. Yeah, Like, I'm not a 463 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,559 big Penny fan, and over the years I haven't been that big of a 464 00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:22,880 Wooten fan either, But yeah, like I said, Abigail does a great 465 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:29,119 job and usually Marshi Younger does as well writing those characters as more grounded, 466 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,400 and I appreciate that when the writers do that and bringing up, you know, 467 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,880 a little nostalgic because even with the Green New Conspiracy, a lot of 468 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,719 people have a lot of fun memories of that and a lot of people like 469 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,199 that, so bringing that, I think just adds that little extra cherry on 470 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,239 top to this kind of episode, which it was kind of funny that well, 471 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,719 not funny, I guess, but I wish that Clubhouse Magazine did not 472 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,880 spoil me on this episode because in the Clubhouse magazine, the Odyssey section about 473 00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:00,519 things coming up or whatever they mentioned it's stopped through Trask in the Clubhouse magazine. 474 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,400 Like I didn't need to know that. I wanted that would have been 475 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,920 a great surprise and a great reveal because even the album summary they don't mention 476 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,360 who it is, Like, way to show your hand there, Odyssey. 477 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,920 Oh wow, I didn't realize that. Yeah. Overall, good episode, 478 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,920 you know, now that I think about it. I think the the uh 479 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:25,480 episode teaser also mentions I think she says her name in the too, so 480 00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:30,199 it kind of spoils it there too. But yeah, that is an interesting 481 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,840 choice why they would have done that. I mean, I mean, I 482 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,079 guess it does happen right at the beginning of the episode, so it's not 483 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,639 a huge, huge surprise, but it is still a spoiler to a certain 484 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,239 extent. Yeah, Like I think it may some people thought, or at 485 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,320 least me, I thought it's something maybe like Penny's history, like back in 486 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,159 her childhood, like her our teacher or me her ex boyfriend or something like 487 00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,000 that. Possibly, But I'm glad they didn't go that route and went this 488 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:58,519 way. M Yeah, yeah, it worked, It definitely worked well. 489 00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:02,920 That brings us to episode nine sixty five two's Company Four's a Crowd, also 490 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,440 written by Abigail Geiger, directed by Phil Lawler, with sound designed by Luke 491 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:14,039 Gano and music by John Campbell. Well, you know what, I said 492 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,960 that everybody had been waiting for the four parter on this album, but I 493 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,840 know that a lot of people were waiting for this moment too, the moment 494 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,599 where Emily confronts Wit, And I'm so glad that they did this. It 495 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,719 needed to happen, in my opinion, So I'm really really happy that they 496 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:37,519 did have that moment. I wish it had been a little bit deeper and 497 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:44,400 not quite as sandwiched in or smashed in with another plot on the episode, 498 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,199 because it's really only the first few moments of the beginning of the episode and 499 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,079 then again towards the end, and the rest is more about what's happening with 500 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:57,599 Suzu. But regardless, I'm glad that they did it. Yeah. So 501 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,679 I've said before every Roydell episoisode I come to listen to, I try to 502 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,519 get my expectations very low, and I did that for value in the process, 503 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,280 and I actually kind of enjoyed that episode in album seventy four, and 504 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,159 I did the same thing with this one too. I can't reme if I 505 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,599 saw before I heard the episode or not that Abgo Geiger was writing it, 506 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:22,440 because I think Bob Who's and I think it's not Abigo Geiger. I think 507 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,079 I liked their episodes more writing for the Rodel's more than other writers like Kathy 508 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,920 Kennan and Phil Lawler. But yeah, I'm glad they did it. It 509 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:38,320 took way too long for it to actually happen. And also, one thing 510 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:44,480 that makes me a little sad is that in an official podcast episode, abiol 511 00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:49,400 Geiger said that she wrote this episode not knowing. I'm not gonna get into 512 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,119 spoilers at all here, JD, because I don't think you've heard album seventy 513 00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,239 sixty. I have you no, Okay, so I'll I won't add any 514 00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,440 spoilers. But basically, she wrote this episode without knowing because I think the 515 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:07,440 Idell revelations I don't know realizations, and Album seventy six, I think those 516 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,599 are written or being written. So this is kind of a tangential story to 517 00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:15,519 a certain extent. So like what happens in this doesn't necessarily affect what happens 518 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:20,960 to that and vice versa. And I think that's a mistake because that's kind 519 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,480 of what we had. Kind of the mess that we got into at the 520 00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:29,000 beginning is because I have a unified vision of how the Redult cycle would go. 521 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,599 So when the Rodel revelations came around, Peel had to pick up all 522 00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:37,400 these pieces from different writers and that kind of stuff to create something that fit, 523 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:43,079 and unfortunately didn't all fit all that great. But I'm assuming that's probably 524 00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:46,639 the best that could be done from that. So on its own merit, 525 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:51,320 this episode I think does quite well with that. Like I'm glad she finally 526 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,360 had this conversation that she was honest about it. I'm glad that Wit apologized 527 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,960 because I'm trying to think, I know, we've had lots of episodes of 528 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,559 like Young Wit, you know, Jim Custer with you know, doing a 529 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,079 lot of some bad decisions and this kind of stuff. We don't hear Wit 530 00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:14,320 saying a lot of apology, like even things like the Mortal Coil or some 531 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,440 of the stuff, like kind of the ones when he is in the wrong, 532 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,000 and for the longest time it was treated as not a big deal. 533 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,760 And I'm hoping that enough fans and parents, you know, made enough noise 534 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,639 about the situation, and they finally did do something about it. Again, 535 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,000 I think it's maybe too little, too late, because we still have to 536 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:42,719 live with the episodes that came before this. But I felt that it was 537 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,239 earned in the story like it. Like I said, it kind of comes 538 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,840 before all the main story, which I don't think it wouldn't have fit because 539 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,639 Emily wasn't in value in the process and the team it would have worked either. 540 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,440 And I'm trying to think, yeah, the team was the last one 541 00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:04,039 before in the process. So I'm glad we finally get this. I still 542 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,400 don't like Emily being part of the team, but I like that we finally 543 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,079 got this resolution that Witt said I have. I think right here, I'm 544 00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,440 sorry I was wrong and should have like let you know, I didn't write 545 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,880 all but but basically he apologized for doing this. And he also said, 546 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,000 like, you know, I know my apology won't make up for it, 547 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,000 which I'm glad. He also pointed that out too. Just because you say 548 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,280 you apologize something doesn't take away the her. It doesn't always you know, 549 00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:37,280 people don't always forget can't just always forget about it. But I'm glad it 550 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,800 was vulnerable in that moment and that Emily Funny spoke her mind about that, 551 00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,840 and she was also respectful. That's one thing that I think at this point, 552 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,000 like when she was talking to Mori and Suzu in the end of a 553 00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,360 let's call the whole thing off, you know, she's blew up at them. 554 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,639 She was very angry. I was very great acting from Christina Pricelli there, 555 00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:01,280 and I'm thinking that story why it's probably best. Again, I don't 556 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,800 think overall perceptions, you know, externally was good, but story wise, 557 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,800 letting her cool off to a certain extent, go through feelings more. I 558 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,320 still don't think her joined the team was a good thing. But after joining 559 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,360 the team and working with them for a little bit, getting to this point 560 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,199 and finally bringing this out kind of like the last episode, these kind of 561 00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:27,760 not quite as long standing, but these feelings bourb beneath the surface, Funny 562 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,280 comes to the surface and finally get resolved. And it's not the best it 563 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,480 could be, but it's the best that we're probably gonna get. And I'm 564 00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:40,719 at least slightly happy of how it turned out with this episode. But that 565 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,239 doesn't mean that in the future I'll keep my expectations higher. I still go 566 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,800 into write now episodes with low expectations because I still don't really care for her 567 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,360 Morey. I do actually like Susi at a little bit more than more I 568 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,760 think I'm that in the last review, So I'm glad this episode actually focuses 569 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,360 more on Susan and not Morey. But I've been talking way too long, 570 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,880 so you go ahead. Yeah, So, I mean I agree there. 571 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:07,000 It's just that Wit actually acknowledged that he had done something wrong and asked for 572 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:13,159 forgiveness. I thought that was great, although he's still he's still not apologizing 573 00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:16,599 for everything. He was just basically it seemed like to me he was apologizing 574 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,960 that he didn't let her in on what was going on sooner, I think, 575 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:23,760 is how he worded it, something like that. So yeah, again, 576 00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,280 as you said, you know, it's probably the best we're going to 577 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,920 get, But that that actually even happened was great. And you talk about 578 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,199 Christina Pochelli's performance, mean you were talking about another episode, but in this 579 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,880 one too. I mean, she was just fantastic, Like you could hear 580 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,599 that quaver in her voice as she's really just bearing her soul to him saying, 581 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,360 you know, I was angry. I didn't feel like I could trust 582 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,360 you. This is how I felt, and I didn't know how to bring 583 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,880 it up to you. And yeah, she just did a fantastic job. 584 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:59,719 And I really thought that moment was really nice. Now, since we're talking 585 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,039 about this whole issue, I'm going to bounce to the end of the episode 586 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:07,119 and just address that real quickly and then we'll go to the to the meat 587 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:12,239 of the story here. But so he does apologize and ask her to forgive 588 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,840 him, and she says, you know, I guess so, or something 589 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,480 like that, and you know, he doesn't push her again. That was 590 00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,840 great, you know, just just letting her feel those feelings, and as 591 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,000 you said, she was very respectful. And then she goes on to tell 592 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,480 the story about what's going on with Suzu. But then when we get to 593 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,639 the end, she says, you know what, I was wrong. I 594 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:38,599 need to just say yes, I do forgive you completely, and then having 595 00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:44,599 a wit make light of it when she asks him to forgive her. I 596 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,360 think that was the wrong move in my opinion. Again, it's the like 597 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,840 in that last episode. This was a very serious, deep moment, and 598 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,159 then having him insert that little joke where he kind of parrots back her I 599 00:46:55,199 --> 00:47:00,360 guess so or maybe or whatever it was, it felt off. I just 600 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,480 like, don't don't insert humor right there. This was a deep thing that 601 00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:07,880 really mattered a lot to Emily, and doing that to her it just felt 602 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,920 like, you know, pouring salt in the wound, you know, even 603 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,199 though she's trying to move on. And she was very forthright with her feelings 604 00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:20,719 there, and I know that they moved on with it, and in the 605 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,760 story there she was totally fine with it. But it just I did not 606 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,400 like that. I felt like that was a wrong move by Wit there. 607 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,559 He should have just you know, kept it serious and thanked her, you 608 00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:37,679 know, for because honestly, I don't think she did all that much wrong. 609 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:46,199 To be perfectly candidate. She perhaps because he is an elder and she's 610 00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:52,559 an adult, she's a kid, she should have been upfront sooner. But 611 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,320 I don't think the way that she was feeling about it was wrong. And 612 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,320 I don't think she even really needed to apologize for how she was feeling. 613 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,199 But that's another issue. Yeah, I don't have as big a problem with 614 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,599 that. For some reason, it felt Wit does have that kind of side 615 00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,639 to him sometimes the humor side, which I think, like we have the 616 00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,920 value in the process. I mean, the way he's treating Maury and Suzu 617 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,960 compared to other kids, like his kind of parentine back, like you know, 618 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,519 his winding back up Maury or whatever. Yeah, for me, I 619 00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,480 don't think it like it was just like a slight blip, like I don't 620 00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:27,800 know if it took me out the story too much, like the humor kind 621 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,079 of did to a certain extent, But for me, it didn't feel unlike 622 00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:34,960 Witch. But I can understand that, especially since this is like the last 623 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,119 last scene or next to last scene, because we had that kind of flashback 624 00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:42,599 or whatever thing with it, I would probably say I would have a bigger 625 00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:46,280 problem between this one and the one about the bye bye bye thing. I 626 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,960 think I probably have a little more problem with this one, even though I 627 00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:53,719 have very little problem with either either one of them. But yeah, I 628 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,840 yeah, I'm waffling on that one. But I'm glad you did bring it 629 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,599 up. I'm sure there's probably some people that felt that way too, So 630 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,280 setting aside that again, I'm glad that this whole apology thing happened. But 631 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,599 that's not even really what this episode is about. So, as with the 632 00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:15,440 last album, we had some really interesting issues. The episode here is addressing 633 00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:20,480 some of the things that young people these days are really having to face their 634 00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:24,679 peers. Always on social media. Everybody wants to be a social media personality, 635 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,480 and so streaming a prank on somebody else seems very plausible these days, 636 00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:35,880 that somebody could very easily do something like that, And there are bullies out 637 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,320 there and that's a real thing that kids have to deal with. And so 638 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:45,159 I thought that whole aspect of this episode was pretty solid as well. Yeah, 639 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,840 like it's another set up mystery, Like we got a lot of those 640 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,360 with their Adell saga like Further from the Truth and the Secret of the Writer's 641 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:59,239 Ruse, but this one it's not necessarily meant to be for fun or the 642 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,400 brand the good People or thing like that. It's just meant to terment them 643 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:07,079 and try to make them look bad to a certain extent. So I think 644 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:12,719 the angle of a fake mystery worked better with this because it was a little 645 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,639 more at the end of figuring out why and how, not just that it 646 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,480 was a fake mystery, which I like that aspect of it. Which this 647 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,719 is also really I think it's actually pretty good mystery writing too, because it's 648 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:29,159 also one that I think makes it easier i'd say easier, easy ish to 649 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,840 solve along with them, which now all mysteries do that. So like the 650 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,119 things about her not having her phone like wanted to use curious phone, that 651 00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:37,480 was like a red flag in my mind, like, ooh, why she's 652 00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,800 not using her phone? That sounds kind of suspicious. And I think the 653 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,760 shoes, the drop by the window or something like that, I think it's 654 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,239 probably like the the phone thing, it's like a red flag. Oh, 655 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,639 I think it's probably something's up here. So and when Emily, you know, 656 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,519 brings those things up, it makes sense. So like the red flag 657 00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:00,320 is there, and you can probably put little other the pieces together. So 658 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,719 I think it was a I think it was a well constructed mystery in my 659 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,320 opinion. Yeah, yeah, I don't have a whole lot of other thoughts 660 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,719 on this one. I would say it's a pretty decent episode. Again, 661 00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,239 you know, I didn't love it. It didn't you know, despise it. 662 00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:20,679 It's it's it's an okay episode, but you know, as with you, 663 00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:25,719 I do like Susu better than Maury, and I think This was a 664 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,639 good use of the character and her wanting to have friends. I mean, 665 00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:35,639 that seems pretty plausible, and I think it made sense in all in all 666 00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:37,840 of those aspects, so you know, it was a pretty decent episode. 667 00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:42,480 Yeah. I think this episode made me feel for Susu a lot more than 668 00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:45,840 I have before, because both of them are very smart. But like Susu, 669 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,880 she already has, you know, kind of cute voice, and when 670 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,360 she's starting to cry and you know, tubell how she doesn't have any friends 671 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:58,639 and things like that, it made me sympathize for her a lot more with 672 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,599 that, and I could see how her bias, you know, wanting to 673 00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:06,280 make friends would cloud her judgment. And also you know, thinking Emily had 674 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,760 it out for her, which she kind of did to certain extent, and 675 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,559 she's kind of waffling back and forth on what to do what not to do. 676 00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:15,800 Which that's the one thing that Emily went above the minimum of what she 677 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,320 did. What she did. She did tell her, hey, something's going 678 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,039 wrong here. You need to be careful, and then she found out the 679 00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:28,280 live stream later and she could have let that go the very the bare minimum 680 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,519 of being a decent person. I ended up getting kind of the moral aspect 681 00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:36,079 here the bare minimum was like, Hey, something's wrong here. You need 682 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:38,159 to watch yourself. I'm concerned about something that might happen to you. And 683 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:42,519 when she find out what that is, she could have let that go on. 684 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,559 And I'm not sure if she would be totally not justified in doing that. 685 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,679 And yes, she like has she had the bad feelings she had against 686 00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:53,079 her, wouldn't have mom good, but she did like the bare minimum, 687 00:52:53,079 --> 00:53:00,800 but that already but that Emily One didn't interrupt it, suposed it and saved 688 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:06,239 Susu's reputation and did the livesprem of her own, which she talked about. 689 00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:07,719 She doesn't quite know if that was the right thing to do or not, 690 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:13,039 which I don't think Wig gives her like yes or no, which to me, 691 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,519 I think that's justified because it shows the evidence because if okay, this 692 00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:20,599 is a mystery, or taking this to the you know, I guess more 693 00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:25,639 court of public opinion, and also rescuing her from being mismerched. So I 694 00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:29,760 don't think that's a bad thing. Like I know, you get to legal 695 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,599 issues of like, you know, recording someone without them knowing, but you 696 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:36,079 know everybody does that nowadays. When you're out in about you know, everyone 697 00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,960 has a camera on their phone or whatever. So I don't think Emily was 698 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:45,760 wrong in doing it because it did help save Suzu. And you know, 699 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,960 truth prevailed in that, and she's already live streaming, like she cut it 700 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,719 off. It's not like she was opposed to being live stream the concept of 701 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,679 it. She just didn't want, you know, her sins being uncovered. 702 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,960 So I think she was justified in that, and it sounded like she did 703 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,840 it more for the right reasons, I think, so I don't think I 704 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,480 had a problem with that. Yeah. Yeah, And to your point about 705 00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:15,360 sympathizing with Suzu, April Hong really did a fantastic job there. And you 706 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:21,239 know, when Suzu finally understands what's actually going on and they start accusing her 707 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,519 of stealing the award and everything, you could hear the betrayal in her voice, 708 00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,159 and she she just did a fantastic job there. So yeah, I 709 00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:34,199 mean Suzu is an interesting character. There's there's some cool things that they could 710 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,559 explore with that. So that this was just an episode about her, I 711 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,639 was I was pretty okay with Yeah, another solid episode, I believe. 712 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:51,639 Well, we have arrived episodes nine sixty six has come nine sixty nine. 713 00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:58,239 The best is yet to come. Oh okay, well, this was written 714 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,679 by a team or Marshall Younger and Kathy Buchanan all worked on the scripts for 715 00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:08,559 this four part episode. And an interesting thing which I don't know that I've 716 00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:15,800 seen before, and that is we have two different directors. And I'm guessing 717 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,480 that that must have just been because of the scheduling or something, and maybe 718 00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:22,760 one of them took like the morning session with some of the actors and then 719 00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:28,119 another one took an afternoon session with the rest of the cast or something like 720 00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:31,440 that. But it was directed by both Kathy Buchanan and Marshall Younger, with 721 00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:37,559 sound design by Zack Schneider and Luke Gano. So again we've got some teamwork 722 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:42,320 going on. Yeah. So here we are to this, as I said 723 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,719 earlier, end of an Era, and we have Eugene doing the intro of 724 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:52,360 the episode, which was cool. I'm guessing that Townshend also did that as 725 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,239 well, because that didn't sound like a recycled one, but I may be 726 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,119 wrong about that. Yeah, it's an interesting open And before we get to 727 00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:00,840 the story, can we just talk about the use of AI for the voice 728 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,079 first. Yeah, that's a good point because there might be somebody listening who 729 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:07,760 did not realize this. But if you haven't listened to the official podcast and 730 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,920 haven't been participating in any of the fan communities, you may have missed it. 731 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,559 But yeah, they did use an AI technology, which is a voice 732 00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:24,760 cloning software. Not AI. Generated voice is a process where an actor performs 733 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:30,519 all of the Eugene lines and then they do a voice matching or voice cloning 734 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:36,039 process that overlays the sound of Will Ryan's voice over the top of that actor's 735 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:39,960 performance, and in this case it was Townsend Coleman. So an amazing interesting 736 00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:47,119 technology and I honestly don't know how else they could have done this sendoff for 737 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:52,679 the character of Eugene without relying on technology like this. It would have been 738 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:58,639 very unsatisfying to not I mean, if they had had to piece together snippets 739 00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:01,400 of dialogue from old that episode odes throughout the years, it would have been 740 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:07,079 really, really difficult, and it would this I don't think the script would 741 00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:10,800 have felt satisfying because they're gonna have to shoehorn everything in using existing dialogue. 742 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:16,039 So it's an interesting solution for this, and I think it worked. Go 743 00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:20,400 ahead if you want to add to that for sure. Yeah. I was 744 00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:23,239 very surprised when they announced something official podcasts about this, and by the time 745 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:29,400 they were done, I felt I felt pretty good about it, and it's 746 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,599 an idea. I never even thought of them doing, like I know, 747 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:36,440 when there was gonna be a four parter, I was saying, wow, 748 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,159 I a lot of that episode is probably going to be not Eugene focused with 749 00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:43,480 a pro using old dialogue whatever. But that they were able to write the 750 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,519 script and then have the audio put to it made it easier. And I 751 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:52,280 think because I did it very ethically, which that's a conversation with a lot 752 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,440 of ais now it's like is it ethical, how should it be used? 753 00:57:55,519 --> 00:58:00,159 Copyrights? Things like that. But one they got the permision of his widow, 754 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,599 Nancy, and they made sure it was okay with the actors, the 755 00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:07,400 people that knew him, you know, close friends, that kind of stuff. 756 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,360 In Townsend Coleman, you know, was a very close friend to Will. 757 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:16,519 I think it was executed very well. And the one thing that I 758 00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:22,639 don't like is that people are I've had I've seen this conversation on some Honesty 759 00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,960 fan pages and such like, oh if we do this, then we can 760 00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:30,000 bring back other old actors back and things like that, Like No, no, 761 00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:34,320 that's not what this is for. This is to bring closure to a 762 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,679 character that we can't have closure to without it in a satisfying way. It's 763 00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:42,360 not a way of bringing people back from the dead to do this. That's 764 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,880 why you know, like Andre Stoika, whenever he's not able to do Wit 765 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,800 anymore, I don't want them doing AI to bring house Smith back, er 766 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,079 Polumber back, or even keep Andre going as the voice of Wits and things 767 00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:58,039 like that, because you want to get the authentic voice of the actor. 768 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,079 And that's why just a generative is not gonna sound as good as a as 769 00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,280 a human. Even with this technology. There's some limitations of the emotion and 770 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,920 things like that with it. It's a unique circumstance. I think it's good 771 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,760 for this case, but it's not a it's a it's the exception, not 772 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,480 the rule that I think going forward. When you have a character that you 773 00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:22,800 can't enclosure on, which as big a character as Eugene is, that's a 774 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,199 really big character. With a character like Tom Riley or Jack Allen or Bernard 775 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,280 or something like that, it's gonna be not as big a deal that they 776 00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:36,639 make that extra effort to make this happen. But I think in this scenario 777 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:42,639 it works well. And actually recently, this kind of scenario and it kind 778 00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:46,719 of a similar fashion happened with the music industry. So Randy Travis, a 779 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,679 country singer, he lost his voice several years ago and he's been unable to 780 00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:57,280 sing for years. But recently, with his permission, they had someone do 781 00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,639 kind of like this with the Old Ryan. They had an actual singer sing 782 01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:05,159 lyrics to a new song and they match it with Randy Travis's vocals from past 783 01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:12,360 songs to create a new single of Randy Travis. Quote Randy Travis singing and 784 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,039 here's the key with it. And then from when I heard he was brought 785 01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:17,559 the tears like it was a way for him to sing again. He's physically 786 01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:23,199 not able to sing anymore. With this technology, he's able to sing in 787 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:28,679 a way like I don't think I will I want people to do full albums 788 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,840 of you know, this kind of thing, but for that use scenario, 789 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:37,000 that's great, But are gonna do it for you know, like Hank Williams 790 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,840 or being Crowsedy or something like that. No, let that alone. But 791 01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:45,239 for that circumstance, for his case, it brought so much joy to him 792 01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:49,880 to be able to sing in that way they wasn't able to before. I 793 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,360 think that's probably even more unique scenario than with this scenario in Odyssey. But 794 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:59,360 it's interesting how this technology is being used and in unique ways and in ways 795 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,800 that are at the goal. And that makes sense. Yeah, and I 796 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:06,599 heard about this as well, and you know, it's it's due to a 797 01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:10,119 stroke that he had that that he's not able to. It's very difficult for 798 01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:14,159 him to even speak, though he can speak a little bit, but to 799 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,719 sing is pretty much out of the question. And it is a similar situation 800 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:23,559 too, because the singer who did actually sing the vocals is a close friend 801 01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:29,920 and he has traveled with Randy Travis over the years, and he did sort 802 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,719 of like a Randy Travis tribute and he would sing Randy Travis's songs. And 803 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,639 so it's a similar thing to what happened with Will and Townshend. They were 804 01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:43,880 both friends. He had he had heard Will so many times over the years 805 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,159 do this character, and so he knew how to try to match that inflection 806 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,239 and everything, and so yeah, that is a good. That is a 807 01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:55,480 good comparison. And to the point of using this sort of a technology to 808 01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:59,400 bring back all these other characters, yeah, I think I would agree with 809 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,920 you. That's that's probably not the best way to go, especially for somebody 810 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,199 who's been gone for many years, and you know, there are ethical concerns. 811 01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,920 I mean, you can't just go and just start using somebody's voice just 812 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:15,519 because you want to. You know, it's that's that's not right. And 813 01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:17,719 as you point out, you know, they they did consult with with Nancy, 814 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,920 and it is an interesting situation. I mean, personally, I was 815 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:28,519 hoping that they would recast the role of Eugene Melsner because I love that character 816 01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:32,320 and I would would love to see him stay around. But because they made 817 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:37,239 the decision to have the family move away spoiler if you didn't know that the 818 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:45,599 Meltzner's leave, this was an interesting way for them to achieve that and have 819 01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:51,320 it not feel forced and and two rushed. Although it was very quick, 820 01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:54,239 we all sort of knew something like this was coming. I'm just glad they 821 01:02:54,280 --> 01:03:00,360 didn't kill off the character, because who knows, they may they may cast 822 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:05,199 down the road, they could still do that. So yeah, I think. 823 01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:07,840 Yeah, they talked about how they did have I think audition some people 824 01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:14,840 for the role, and I think they've pretty much closed the door on bring 825 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:19,719 the character back, either with a recast or using the AI thing. Again, 826 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,119 Like, it's not one hundred percent, it's like nine nine percent something 827 01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:25,840 like that. I'd be okay with him and recast in the future. However, 828 01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,039 I know I'm getting ahead of myself here, but it's such a perfect 829 01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:34,000 send off to a certain extent that it feels so cheap after a while to 830 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,039 bring him back. And that's probably why they wrote it this way, because 831 01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:39,280 they don't have any plans to bring him back. But here's the question, 832 01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:45,239 we'll hear Eugene back again recast or we'll kind of get married ooh, which 833 01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:53,079 will happen first exactly? Which one's more plausible? Yeah. So, but 834 01:03:53,320 --> 01:04:00,559 it's an interesting thing too that it did feel like a natural progression because this 835 01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:04,760 whole idea. Of course, I know that this idea of this medical treatment 836 01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:10,800 and everything, this was not in the plans until we lost Will, so 837 01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:14,440 I know that this was an after the fact thing. But the way they 838 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,400 did it it really worked because we know that Eugene has been working on brain 839 01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:26,639 related research for years and years and years, and so having him be involved 840 01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:29,719 in developing this new treatment for and they don't say it out right, but 841 01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:35,159 I'm assuming it was for Alzheimer's or some sort of memory loss sort of disease 842 01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:41,199 like that, dementia or something like that. But a three D printed hippocampus. 843 01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:45,519 I mean that's crazy, and today that's not far off from reality because 844 01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:48,239 like back in the Novocom saga days, like obviously it's kind of ahead of 845 01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:53,280 its time, Like I was reading about it's called neurlink or whatever of someone 846 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,639 able to, you know, control things with their minds, but then also 847 01:04:55,639 --> 01:05:00,400 regressing kind of like Duncan mathis is interesting too because we opened this a cold 848 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,480 open it don't get to me cold opens on Odyssey, But the music in 849 01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:06,400 that was very novacomp slug esque of music, like a lot like more electric 850 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,320 guitar and them were like cold kind of instrument kind of feeling there. That's 851 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,440 a good point. Yeah, yeah, Now this is something that I just 852 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,519 found out today as I was prepping for this. The actors who played that 853 01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:24,679 couple, the Hancocks, June Squib who is the voice of Loretta Hancock. 854 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,000 Now if the Internet is to be believed. I know there are some errors 855 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,679 out there, so this might not be one hundred percent accurate, but the 856 01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:34,840 Internet says that she's ninety four years old, and Monte Markham, the voice 857 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,840 of Vernon Hancock, is eighty eight, So I was like, wow, 858 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,440 they got some old timers in to play these parts. But they were both 859 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,840 fantastic, Yeah, for sure. And actually Monte Markham, he's been on 860 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,960 Odyssey before the thing. I recognized his voice when I heard him in the 861 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:58,039 first episode he played I can't remember I can't remember the girl's name, but 862 01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:02,960 at the friend of Camilla's and rewinding the Big Picture or Camille's trying to cheer 863 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,840 her friend up, and then she talks to her grandfather later that has dementia 864 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,280 or something like that, not able to remember some certain things and that kind 865 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,039 of stuff, which is a similar situation with this character. But his voice, 866 01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:16,960 I loved his voice in that. I loved hearing him in this one 867 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:23,159 too. Yeah, that character was called George yea. Yeah, rewinding the 868 01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:28,760 Big Picture, but yeah, it was an interesting way to present this whole 869 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:33,480 research thing in the culmination of this surgery. And then I did not expect 870 01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:38,639 that turn for the patient to actually die. I was like, WHOA, 871 01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:43,719 did not see that one coming? Yeah, for sure. I did recognize 872 01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:46,039 pretty quickly that the nurse was played with Kathy Buchannan, and she makes another 873 01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:51,320 cameo later as the stewardess in the airplane. Okay, yeah, I thought 874 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:56,159 that was her too. I was pretty sure that it wasn't credited on the 875 01:06:56,159 --> 01:06:59,360 wiki, but I was pretty sure that was her and Evan. David picks 876 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,400 up a couple of small characters in these four episodes as well, which I 877 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:06,239 thought was pretty cool. I did not realize that until I was I was 878 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,360 looking at the cast list here that you have on the Google doc here, 879 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,000 because I know in part four the bus driver sounded a really familiar but I 880 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,960 couldn't place his voice. And I saw that in part two he plays one 881 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,320 of the people that it's gonna be working with Eugene, Like, oh, 882 01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:25,559 that's really cool. I didn't. I didn't recognize either one of those, 883 01:07:25,559 --> 01:07:30,039 and I've heard Evan's voice quite a bit. Yeah, And the other employee 884 01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:33,239 that they meet there was I think it was Dahlia. I don't think she 885 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:38,880 was a professional either. It sounded like that might have been another Focus employee 886 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,280 or something. So that was kind of cool, yeah, because I do 887 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,960 know they do that on occasion, is bring in some Focus employees to play 888 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,639 a bit parts where there's only a line or two. But I don't know 889 01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:50,480 who did that one, but that was that was that was cool. I 890 01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:54,679 always like it when they do that, and I'm sure it makes the day 891 01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:58,760 of those people that get to play a character. Add that to your resume. 892 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,280 That's pretty cool. Sure. So you know, we hear from Eugene 893 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:08,960 here talking to Buck. I'm guessing it was like a video call that he 894 01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:13,159 was doing when he was away talking to them and they're doing their game over 895 01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:18,000 the phone there. But I pretty much agree with Eugene about teens dating. 896 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,039 I think he was spot on there. Yeah, which we kind of have 897 01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:28,600 this conversation with King of My Heart and Album seventy four with you know, 898 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,640 Katrina kind of being a little more lenient in Eugenia as much, which I 899 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:38,920 still agree with Eugene with that, especially the way how for lack of a 900 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:45,039 better term, volatle that Jewels and Buck are or they're constantly reverting back to 901 01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:48,479 their old ways and doing selfish things and even to each other, not the 902 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,960 greatest thing. But I the storyline with them, you know, trying to 903 01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:56,680 hide their dating relationship, which you know, picks up from album seventy four, 904 01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:00,760 which is interesting that Buck says only Cooper know, but I was saying 905 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,399 that Bridget would probably know since she's Jewel's best friend, or maybe this book 906 01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:09,319 this meant the only person that knew that he had told was Cooper. Oh 907 01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,119 yeah, yeah, I didn't even even pick up on that. But that's 908 01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:15,239 a good point. Yeah, I mean, I think I've made it clear 909 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,960 in the last review how I feel about that, and you know, how 910 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,680 they're sneaking around behind everybody's back. I mean, that's not good. Not 911 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:26,039 a fan of that, and so I don't want to be labor that point 912 01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:30,000 because I think we did cover that pretty well that time. And then there's 913 01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:33,079 another one here that again I also want to touch on briefly, but I 914 01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:35,920 don't want to spend a whole lot of time on because there is a lot 915 01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,520 to talk about and that's not the main point of these episodes, and I 916 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,920 don't want to lose a focus on this Farewell to Eugene. But I was 917 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:54,000 not a fan of having the book and Jules lead a song in an actual 918 01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:58,159 worship service. I mean, I just don't think that's appropriate, having an 919 01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:03,239 unbeliever on the platform in a church service. And also they outright lied to 920 01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:09,479 Pastor Knox. Like Jules had just said that the song that she had been 921 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,800 talking about with Buck was inspired by him and his the fireworks and that whole 922 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,239 thing. Yet when Pastor Knox comes out to start talking to them, she 923 01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:21,880 tells him that the song she was talking about was inspired by his message, 924 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,680 and she just outright lies to him, and that was never addressed. And 925 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,000 so I wasn't crazy about that. But again, I know that this is 926 01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:35,199 people have very differing opinions on those sorts of issues, so I don't want 927 01:10:35,239 --> 01:10:38,880 to pound it too much, but I just did want to bring it up 928 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,960 briefly. But yeah, I have thoughts about this too. I'll try to 929 01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:46,760 keep it brief. I know, back in California Dreams, I think Connie 930 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,479 or Buck talked about Pastor Knox, you know, wanting her to be on 931 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,399 the worship team or whatever, and this one kind of talks about, you 932 01:10:53,399 --> 01:10:58,399 know, being the choir. Yeah, I'm not so against the idea of 933 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,520 unbelievers, especially when it's kids. I mean, they're teenagers, they're you 934 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:08,199 know, they're not adults. Being a part of church activities and being part 935 01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:12,039 of that because I know from you know, things like youth groups and things 936 01:11:12,039 --> 01:11:14,720 like that, like not everybody is a Christian, but they get involved in 937 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,359 certain church activities and things like that. And singing too. I know there 938 01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:25,479 is testimonies. I've heard people that weren't Christians but were put into possessions that 939 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:30,079 they're playing the piano or singing or something like that, where some at some 940 01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:35,439 point what they were saying finally broke through to them and they got saved as 941 01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:40,279 a result. So like I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, like you 942 01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:44,319 one, to have more Christians and of course in the leadership roles of stuff 943 01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:47,880 like that, to have Christians be the leading of that. But getting young 944 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,920 people and kids involved in you know, singing, you know, like kids 945 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,079 choir or something like that, I don't think is a bad thing. I 946 01:11:57,079 --> 01:12:00,439 think it comes becomes an issue if you know, if they were if conjols 947 01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,439 were adults and they had leadership roles and stuff. Yes, I don't think 948 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,279 you know how they got into it, you know, with lying about stuff. 949 01:12:09,039 --> 01:12:13,840 And I'm still unsure if Wilson sold through their lives or not. I 950 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,800 feel like he did, because Wilson's pretty tricky, like he's like, oh, 951 01:12:17,079 --> 01:12:19,439 you can do this, and he like because they he knew that they 952 01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:24,359 were kind of lying about the listening to his message or whatever. I just 953 01:12:24,399 --> 01:12:28,079 felt that it would be nice to have just a mention if something about like 954 01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:31,279 Wilson knowing He almost comes off as clueless to a certain extent, but I 955 01:12:31,279 --> 01:12:34,640 can tell like the subtext of what he's saying is like, yeah, I 956 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:39,279 think he's putting them on the spot, and he's really you know, bringing 957 01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:43,039 it to them for not you know, paying attention and catching them in their 958 01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:45,359 lie where they have to keep going along with it and then hope, hopefully 959 01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,840 doing this they will eventually come to Christ or at least see the error of 960 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:56,439 their ways of being deceptive. Yeah, And to clarify, I'm not against 961 01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,680 getting involved in activities and things like that, especially you know, youth activities 962 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,159 and that kind of thing. It's just that this was a this was a 963 01:13:02,199 --> 01:13:08,319 midweek actual church service, and so nobody's going to change my mind on this, 964 01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:12,319 So I don't I don't think that was a great thing. But as 965 01:13:12,359 --> 01:13:15,199 I said, I'm not gonna be labor that point. But there to your 966 01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:20,680 point about him sometimes coming across as a little naive, he does a little 967 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:25,479 bit sometimes, Yet we do know there is a depth to him because of 968 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:31,439 the way he handled the whole Olivia thing, and that was really extremely interesting 969 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,520 and I and I really liked him, especially towards the end of that where 970 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:40,520 they're all in the church praying for her, and again, beautiful, beautiful 971 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,640 moments there. But yeah, I think you're You've got a good point that 972 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,680 it would have been nice for him to at least acknowledge it. And I 973 01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:50,640 think in this case, he is seeing through what they're saying. So I 974 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:55,279 think he had a pretty good idea of what they're doing, and I understand 975 01:13:55,279 --> 01:13:58,880 his reasons for doing what he did. So yeah, I get all of 976 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:08,000 that. But was Wilson Wright let's go there, the whole thing with with 977 01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:11,960 Buck and Jewels calling each other or comparing themselves to Romeo and Juliet, and 978 01:14:12,399 --> 01:14:15,279 I forget now who was I think it was Bucky said and that didn't turn 979 01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:17,119 out very well or something like that. I thought that was a great line, 980 01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,800 But the Bucky O that sounds cheesy and corny. But when he said 981 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,680 Jules yet, that cracked me up. I thought, that's that's a pretty 982 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,800 funny one. Yeah. Yeah, his dad may not like puns, but 983 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,359 he sure does. I guess that's not quite a pun, but close. 984 01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:39,039 And that whole scene with them whispering up and down the pew, that was 985 01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:41,960 hilarious. I liked that quite a bit. Yes, that was so much 986 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,800 fun, like a game of telephone passing the message all the way down the 987 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,439 road and the only person that got it wrong was Conne. At the very 988 01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,079 end, he's like he's interested in smelts or something like that, like that 989 01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:55,600 was the only person that didn't hear it. Yeah, that was great. 990 01:14:56,279 --> 01:14:59,840 That was really fun. And it was beautiful. Like you mentioned earlier about 991 01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,920 the the singing, them singing amazing, Grace is is really beautiful and just 992 01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:06,720 more of a folks you kind of you know, just stripped down saw of 993 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:11,119 all the orchestration. That kind of stuff was really nice. Yeah. I 994 01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:14,760 love showing his voice. I think she sounds really good. And then when 995 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:19,399 they switch into parts and start harmonizing, it just sounds really nice mm hmm. 996 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,960 Which you don't get too many scenes in Church on Odyssey too. Often 997 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,000 it's been it's been a while at least, Like no, I shouldn't say 998 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,439 that. I think we've heard a little bit about that in the Calhoun Family 999 01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,960 episode where Trey embarrass himself, like the Missions trip or something like that. 1000 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,920 I think there was a scene in church in that we had that in the 1001 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,000 Lost One argue. But hearing it, you know, more from the audience 1002 01:15:43,279 --> 01:15:46,720 and things happening in the audience or the congregation and not just hearing what's being 1003 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,840 said on the pulpit was interesting and seeing you know, them interact with each 1004 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:56,680 other. Mm hmm. So that actually happens in part two. But at 1005 01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,800 the beginning of part two, that scene where Wit is giving Eugene advice, 1006 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:05,840 and I was thinking, that is just like Wit to be giving Eugene sound 1007 01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:14,159 advice, giving him truthful, good wisdom from his experience, regardless of how 1008 01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:17,279 he might feel about it personally, because you know, they have a long 1009 01:16:17,399 --> 01:16:21,399 history together and this is hard on him, you can tell that, but 1010 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:28,239 he's he's setting that aside because he's really thinking about what is really best for 1011 01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:31,439 them, And that was just kind of neat, even though that's not overtly 1012 01:16:32,039 --> 01:16:35,479 shown there in that scene, But that was just what came to my mind. 1013 01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:41,680 Yeah, what was really great in these episodes? For sure. Yeah, 1014 01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:45,600 now we reference to those potential employees that Eugene would be working with as 1015 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:50,079 they were visiting back there in Baltimore, and I thought that was funny when 1016 01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:54,439 Buck said to Katrina, like, Dad's a rock star and she's like, 1017 01:16:54,560 --> 01:17:00,239 in this world he is. Yeah, that was interesting. I find of 1018 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:03,479 interesting that you had four parts, but you have each episode's kind of focused 1019 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,560 on one thing to a certain extent. It almost seemed like the turnaround of 1020 01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:15,279 them hiding their dating and then telling about it and then trying to get them 1021 01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:17,319 to not leave. It's like it happened pretty quick, and I know it 1022 01:17:17,359 --> 01:17:21,239 had to happen within the four parts, but it's like each episode had a 1023 01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:27,479 certain focus. Like Part one had, you know, setting up relationship stuff, 1024 01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,920 trying to spend more time together, you know, bucking jewels and then 1025 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,560 ew Gene, you know, with this all this stuff happening with the research 1026 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,319 and that kind of stuff. And then Part two is kind of going to 1027 01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:40,680 Baltimore, checking things out, breaking the news to Connie, you know. 1028 01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:45,520 Part three is more of a committed grips with that, and then Part four 1029 01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,560 is kind of more of the send off itself. So even though it's you 1030 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,359 know, four parter, I think the focus is pretty good in each episode 1031 01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:56,279 where things are still carried throughout. I think did a good job at being 1032 01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:00,720 self contained to a certain extent in each party. That's a good point. 1033 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,000 Yeah. Another thing that Buck had said during that time, I think he 1034 01:18:04,079 --> 01:18:09,359 was I think it might have been when he was talking to Jewels on the 1035 01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:13,199 phone, something about that telling about the the apartment and everything and that they 1036 01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:17,520 were showing them in Baltimore. But he said something about I grew up swimming 1037 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,039 in a drainage ditch or something like that, and I'm like, that was 1038 01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:25,159 so funny to me because I'm like, I remember as a kid back in 1039 01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:29,439 the Midwest when we would have really heavy rains and the in the in the 1040 01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,039 small rural towns where I lived there was the ditches would flood, and as 1041 01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:35,960 kids, we'd always go out and play in that stuff. We had a 1042 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,399 blast in that. I'm like, I'm right there with you, Bucks, 1043 01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:44,600 same same. Yeah. Thankfully you were in a Connor artist when you were 1044 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,439 a kid. That's true, that's true. Yeah, And that that moment 1045 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,840 at the funeral, though, with Missus Hancock. That was a beautiful moment 1046 01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:58,840 there. I really really liked that, and you can see that it's at 1047 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,840 that moment that sort of the light goes on for Buck. And even then 1048 01:19:04,399 --> 01:19:09,399 I still didn't expect him to be the first one to reach the conclusion that 1049 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,479 they should leave. But you're right, it all did feel like it was 1050 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,760 a little bit quick, but again you kind of had to. They couldn't 1051 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:20,399 drag this out for you know, multiple albums and things like that, so 1052 01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:26,560 I think within the amount of time they had it did work. Mm hmm. 1053 01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:30,399 Yeah. That scene at the funeral brought me to some tears a little 1054 01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:34,479 bit. I expected to cry listening to these Part one. I didn't cry 1055 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,439 or cheer up at all. I think in that one I was more focused 1056 01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:43,159 on this uniqueness and listen to like how much I can tell if that's Townsend 1057 01:19:43,239 --> 01:19:45,560 or like Will and that kind of stuff, Like I think there's enough disconnect 1058 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,640 to a certain extent, like I kind of guess, pray what would happened 1059 01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:54,359 later, But that writing and the acting, also the music for that scene 1060 01:19:54,359 --> 01:20:00,359 at the funeral just maybe tear up just how beautiful and heartwarming and heartbreaking it 1061 01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:04,359 was there which is a really neat scene. M h. And then we 1062 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,840 end with them all you know, Buck saying I think we need to leave 1063 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,119 or whatever sort of towards the end there of part two, and I'm like, 1064 01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,319 no, I don't want that to leave. Yes, yeah, I 1065 01:20:16,319 --> 01:20:19,399 think I tear it up around that point too, But I think it was 1066 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:24,039 a really neat scene there because the men in the backyard, like I camp 1067 01:20:24,079 --> 01:20:27,560 fire, we here recordings of wolves ukulele. There was a nice which is 1068 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,720 a nice touch. They also have you know him in the treehouse, which 1069 01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,720 we have you know them building in the past, and Eugene bringing up when 1070 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,399 he lost I know, uh, Katrina bring it up about Eugene losing his 1071 01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:43,600 memories. That was a great callback, yes, and how hard it was 1072 01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,680 for her and how this technology could help people like not have to go through 1073 01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,840 that things like that. That was a great callback, Like it didn't feel 1074 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:54,600 shoehorned in there. It was a permanent callback for those that know and worked 1075 01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:59,000 great for that situation. Also, the theme of memories that these shows were 1076 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:03,159 going for one if it felt very natural for her to bring that up right 1077 01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:06,079 then, Yeah, that was that was a really cool, cool thing for 1078 01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:11,760 them to do. And then we get to part three, and I knew 1079 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,920 that Connie was going to have a hard time with this, and it makes 1080 01:21:15,039 --> 01:21:19,960 absolutely perfect sense that she would have a hard time with losing Eugene. And 1081 01:21:20,359 --> 01:21:24,039 you know, in the earlier parts of this episode, I was like, 1082 01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:28,760 oh, man, she's she seems like she's she's not okay with it, 1083 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,880 But she's not. She's not as emotional as I think as I thought she 1084 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:38,119 would be. But then we go into this a little weird thing where she 1085 01:21:38,199 --> 01:21:41,840 tries to sort of sabotage the whole thing, not really sabotage it, but 1086 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,840 she tries to get things changed so that they don't have to leave, And 1087 01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:49,880 that felt a little bit weird. I mean, I totally get her not 1088 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:54,640 wanting to them to leave. That that makes sense, But for her to 1089 01:21:54,680 --> 01:22:00,199 actually go to the point where she calls his potential employer and tries to get 1090 01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:04,479 him to change the entire program that they were working on and move everything to 1091 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:09,760 Odyssey or whatever, that felt a little bit like a little bit of a 1092 01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:15,279 stretch for Connie. But other than that, her not really being happy about 1093 01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:19,520 this whole thing, that made sense to me. Yeah, And with even 1094 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:24,920 confiding in her that he was having a tough time. I really liked that 1095 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,119 moment too. Yeah, I know people had some people were kind of divided 1096 01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:32,600 on how Connie acted. I brought this up in the past about like with 1097 01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:38,479 Millstones and like a thanks taken story of how Connie seemed to be reverting back 1098 01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,760 to like her teenage years or whatever. And when I was really listening to 1099 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,760 this for the review, I remember it being a little bit more overboard when 1100 01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,720 like he drops the bombshell about it. I think it was very balanced at 1101 01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:55,159 that point, like her going to try to keep him in there. One, 1102 01:22:55,279 --> 01:22:59,239 it's better than trying to just not get them involved in any way, 1103 01:22:59,279 --> 01:23:02,479 like hey, like spreading lies about him or something like that. Yeah, 1104 01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,800 so that definitely have been good. Like I understand her reasoning for that. 1105 01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:10,600 Yes, she shouldn't have done it, and again I don't think it was 1106 01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:14,439 right for her to do it. But I think of any character, any 1107 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,399 person in her life that she would go above and beyond to try to keep 1108 01:23:17,399 --> 01:23:21,359 in her life, it would be Eugene, if not with So I think 1109 01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:27,600 it's understandable and yes, she shouldn't have done it, but I don't think 1110 01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,239 it was totally out of character for her. Now, if it was someone 1111 01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:34,800 for like Jillian or Penny or maybe Jewles to a certain extent, since she's 1112 01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,720 like her sister, half sister, that kind of thing. But someone that's 1113 01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,960 had the most history with Connie, it makes the most sense for her to 1114 01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:46,760 do that. I'm not criticizing her for having those emotions. Yes, she 1115 01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,560 should have done it to begin with, but I don't think it was the 1116 01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:54,840 worst thing that she could have done. No, I don't think it was 1117 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,560 the worst thing. It did feel a little bit overboard. I mean, 1118 01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,800 she was definitely overstepping her bounds. But that said, I think Eugene was 1119 01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,920 a bit harsh to her whenever he found out that she was the one who 1120 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:09,319 had actually called the doctor too. I felt like he was a little bit 1121 01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:14,319 too dismissive of her feelings considering the history that they have together. It was 1122 01:24:14,359 --> 01:24:18,119 a very brief moment, but yeah, it felt a little harsh to me. 1123 01:24:19,159 --> 01:24:23,439 Yeah, I think I agree with that because I think some people talk 1124 01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,960 about that too, Like some people felt like Wit was being a little bit 1125 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,279 too callous about things. And I think with Eugene two, because I have 1126 01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:33,600 this in my notes. Because of the technology, it's not quite monotone. 1127 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,880 But there's only so much range of emotion that you could hear in the voice 1128 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:41,840 with this technology, So I think it probably has something to do with it 1129 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,640 of how it doesn't sound as natural when he's either being emotional like you, 1130 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:51,199 like sad or happy or angry or whatever. I think that's partially to blame 1131 01:24:51,239 --> 01:24:56,640 to how he sounds in this. Again, the words are the same, 1132 01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:01,399 But yeah, I think he pray was but understandable from his side of something 1133 01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:05,920 that kind of his dream job and that can help so many people like jeopardizing 1134 01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:12,720 that and that a close friend is doing this, like he himself says Mets 1135 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,279 later, that he's been too focused on this to kind of grieve over not 1136 01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,960 being around anything like that. He missed that a certain extent later, like 1137 01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:25,159 he's nothing about Yes, he should be concerned about his life and his family's 1138 01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:28,840 life, but yeah, I would say went a little bit overboard. I 1139 01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,680 think they're both. I don't know. I think he was probably more justified 1140 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,279 and what he did and how he said it than Connie was. I don't 1141 01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:39,840 think she was justified in her actions. I think her feelings were justified. 1142 01:25:40,319 --> 01:25:45,680 But I think that because they've had this kind of adversarial to a certain extent, 1143 01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,079 you know, big green brother and sister kind of thing where they step 1144 01:25:47,119 --> 01:25:53,560 on each other's toes sometimes and but you know they always make up. Yeah. 1145 01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,760 Yeah. I have to also mention Showan's performance there when she's talking with 1146 01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:03,520 Connie about Buck Leavey super super good, like like she was, just because 1147 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,199 you know, I think I think you and I have said and I know 1148 01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:10,640 that I've said and I think him. I've talked about this with perhaps Michael 1149 01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:15,640 Schrader in an AIO review. But they're not the greatest influence on each other. 1150 01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,279 Buck and Jewels all the time. You know that they often push each 1151 01:26:18,319 --> 01:26:23,399 other to do things that are not great. But you know, you talked 1152 01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:29,279 earlier about sort of feeling empathy for Suzu, and I kind of felt that 1153 01:26:29,359 --> 01:26:31,640 for Jewels in this moment too, because you know, we know that she 1154 01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:36,359 hasn't had a great life, and Connie's doing what she can to try to 1155 01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:41,720 get her on the straight and narrow these days, but she still does have 1156 01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,359 a lot of hurt in her background, and that feeling of rejection and not 1157 01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:50,520 getting the love that she needed as a kid, and so feeling that Buck 1158 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:55,960 is deserting her here in this moment when they had talked about this and she 1159 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,399 thought they were on the same page. I mean, I totally felt like 1160 01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:05,479 she her feelings were understandable and shown are really shown in this moment. I 1161 01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:10,720 didn't think about how that was gonna sound, but Yeah, she did a 1162 01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,359 fantastic job and I really thought she was great. Yeah, that was some 1163 01:27:14,399 --> 01:27:15,920 great act in there, and one of the few times that Jeweles has opened 1164 01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,520 up that much about our feelings and emotions to Connie. Yeah, and it's 1165 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:26,159 a breaking point for her. And I think that's one thing because it's easier 1166 01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:30,000 to criticize a fictional character than is, you know, a real life person, 1167 01:27:30,079 --> 01:27:33,800 Like if someone like Jewels or Buck, we knew someone like that in 1168 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:38,199 real life and they did the actions that they did, it'd be a lot 1169 01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:41,720 more understandable, and we probably be a lot more forgiving to a certain extent, 1170 01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,079 because of course they're real people. We should forget them because God tells 1171 01:27:45,159 --> 01:27:50,399 us to otherwise we won't be forgiven. But character wise, continuity wise, 1172 01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:56,760 in a show like this, it's difficult to take those moments when oh they 1173 01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,000 did this again. They keep getting in trouble, they keep pulling each other 1174 01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:03,720 down. That's a real life thing, because that's how real life works with 1175 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:08,880 a lot of people when they have bad relationships, bad home life, they 1176 01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:13,199 take that on and treat the same people around them like that. They may 1177 01:28:13,239 --> 01:28:16,279 not mean too, but it's either like that's how they've known or they have 1178 01:28:16,319 --> 01:28:21,119 a hard time reconciling what is good and what isn't. So I have been 1179 01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:27,079 pretty harsh about Jewels and buck to a certain extent. Again, their fictional 1180 01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:30,520 characters. We can criticize them all we want and think how the show should 1181 01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,680 go writing wise, but if you look at it a lens of if these 1182 01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,119 people are in real life, which there are people like these people in real 1183 01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:42,760 life, it should gives a lot more sympathy for those people and also have 1184 01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,399 more empathy for them and pray for those kind of people. Yeah. Yeah, 1185 01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:51,079 And when Connie comes to the door after Bucket pulled his little stunt with 1186 01:28:51,119 --> 01:28:56,199 the song and the fire works, that was kind of cool too, though 1187 01:28:56,399 --> 01:29:00,880 kind of a reference back to the whole fireworks at the big ending of part 1188 01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:04,119 one. But when she said that Jewles had left and went to California, 1189 01:29:04,199 --> 01:29:09,359 I was not expecting that at all. I knew that since she hadn't come 1190 01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:12,800 out to see what was going on right away, that Jewles wasn't going to 1191 01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,159 be there, but I thought it was just go be she wasn't home, 1192 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,039 but that she had actually left. I did not see that coming. And 1193 01:29:18,079 --> 01:29:21,720 then that was a great, great way for them to bring in Ted Humphries. 1194 01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,560 You know, I've said in the past that I think Jay Smouse is 1195 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:30,239 one of the best things to happen to AIO since the reboot. And I 1196 01:29:30,279 --> 01:29:32,600 got to say that Ted Humphries is one of my favorite things that's happened in 1197 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,000 recent years when they really started to use him a lot, and you know, 1198 01:29:36,039 --> 01:29:42,840 having episodes completely dedicated to him, even and very very small part in 1199 01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:46,399 these episodes, But I love that character, and he's so funny, and 1200 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,079 it made perfect sense, you know, to have him be on the same 1201 01:29:50,119 --> 01:29:54,359 flight or something. So it was cool to hear from him. Yeah, 1202 01:29:54,399 --> 01:29:57,920 because it's the cliffhanger and you hear a character that you know of like, 1203 01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,039 Okay, this person's gonna be important, but how with that? And again 1204 01:30:00,119 --> 01:30:06,039 it's Jules kind of California dreams to a certain extent, and also Connie herself 1205 01:30:06,079 --> 01:30:09,840 to a certain extent, run away from her problems were only from God. 1206 01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:15,600 It's a different scenario with this here. But there's other parallels to older episodes 1207 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,640 later in part four, but we'll get to those. But I know, 1208 01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:24,640 with Connie being emotional about Eugene leaving and things like that too, I was 1209 01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,720 getting a little bit more emotional. Like I said, each episode for me 1210 01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,359 was ramped up the emotion for me, Like each one, I was crying 1211 01:30:30,359 --> 01:30:38,000 and turning up more and more. But yeah, this was a good the 1212 01:30:38,079 --> 01:30:41,079 climax, I guess to a certain extent, not quite the climax, but 1213 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,479 everything is all to a point where, Okay, they are leaving, Jeles 1214 01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,720 isn't going to be here for it, get the strained relationship with Eugene and 1215 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:53,159 Connie, and they get the resolution in the next episode. So everything's at 1216 01:30:53,159 --> 01:30:58,680 a fever pitch right now. Yeah, And Ted's telling her that he's going 1217 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,159 to see his great aunt and you know all those things about stories, and 1218 01:31:01,159 --> 01:31:04,279 he said, well, she's gonna be telling him stories about her neighbor's dog 1219 01:31:04,319 --> 01:31:09,159 digging up her petunias and jewels, makes some sort of comment like you know 1220 01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:12,920 what, Just essentially he's brushing it off, you know, like she's not 1221 01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,039 interested whatsoever. And he says, trust me, it's not as interesting as 1222 01:31:15,039 --> 01:31:18,720 it sounds. And I'm like, it just shows how it's so funny. 1223 01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:23,960 It's plague into that stereotype that he's, you know, tone deaf to what 1224 01:31:24,039 --> 01:31:28,920 people are thinking around him, and like his being out of touch with the 1225 01:31:29,079 --> 01:31:32,359 with the the young crowd that we've had in other episodes. And I thought 1226 01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:38,479 that was a really fantastic way to illustrate that that quirk of his personality with 1227 01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:42,520 just that one line, and I loved it. Yeah. Well, that 1228 01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,560 brings us to the final part, part four, and as you mentioned earlier, 1229 01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:49,680 that was Kathy as the flight attendant to Kathy Buchanan, which I thought 1230 01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:58,600 was pretty cool. And then speaking of callbacks and interesting mentions of things from 1231 01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,560 from back in the day on the show, I loved that mention of Joe 1232 01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:06,920 Finnemon. I mean that was really really cool. Yeah, And going back 1233 01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:10,560 to the Ted Humphreys thing here a little bit. I like carrying him outside 1234 01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:15,000 of his news reporter role. But you don't get that often because not just 1235 01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,479 someone's defined by their job when you see them outside of it, because he 1236 01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,760 does a certain extent with you know, seeing the the footage of you know, 1237 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:25,199 the fireworks and that kind of stuff, the trees getting scorched and all 1238 01:32:25,239 --> 01:32:29,359 that stuff. But it's kind of neat seeing characters that, if they're defined 1239 01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:31,640 by this characteristic or their occupation, to see them outside of that role a 1240 01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:36,239 little bit more is really nice. M h. I love the line that 1241 01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,520 he had that. Uh the comment there is like, you know, I 1242 01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,600 don't know what what am I doing? It says taking up most of the 1243 01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:47,199 armrest or something like that. She just does not hear, and she realizes 1244 01:32:47,239 --> 01:32:54,279 that she's acting like her parents. She's continuing that cycle of leaving people when 1245 01:32:54,319 --> 01:32:57,960 they need you most. Yeah, that moment of self reflection was really nicely 1246 01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,000 done. Yeah. And then then we hear that Witt has named the library 1247 01:33:02,079 --> 01:33:04,840 after that, and so Katrina says, you've named it after us, So 1248 01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:10,680 I'm assuming you just called it the Meltzner Library or something, not Eugene specifically. 1249 01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,319 But then we hear that he has put like quotes from Eugene around on 1250 01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:17,399 the walls or something, So that'll be interesting. I wonder if they will 1251 01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:21,079 mention that or reference that again at some point. Yeah, but they don't 1252 01:33:21,079 --> 01:33:24,520 say exactly, like you said, what kind name is it the Gene Melster 1253 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:28,760 Library, does the Melster Library the Melster Family Library. I would say it's 1254 01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,720 always called the library, you know, like the train room and the Bible 1255 01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,880 Room and things like that. So the only one that gets the most interesting 1256 01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:43,199 probably is the little theater. It's not just the theater. Yeah. And 1257 01:33:43,239 --> 01:33:46,560 then probably the biggest callback of all, and it's not even really a callback, 1258 01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,760 but getting to hear from Bernard, even though I know that that was 1259 01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:55,079 audio from an old episode that didn't air, it was just super cool to 1260 01:33:55,119 --> 01:33:59,680 hear Bernard Walton and it's probably the last time we'll ever hear from him unless 1261 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:01,840 they recast, which they probably will never do. But yeah, that was 1262 01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,880 that was a highlight for me. I loved that part of this episode. 1263 01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:11,359 I found it interesting that they put Bernard on the cover because that was a 1264 01:34:11,359 --> 01:34:14,720 big deal for people when they saw that, Like, that's another thing that 1265 01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,239 they could have kept under their hat and had as a surprise. Some peop 1266 01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:21,600 probably would have still me suspected it. But then they have Bernard on the 1267 01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:26,039 cover, like, oh, that's probably like a prey a marketing thing, 1268 01:34:26,199 --> 01:34:29,479 like oh hey, Bernard, he's in this and I gotta buy this album 1269 01:34:30,079 --> 01:34:32,079 for the club to listen to this, but bring this up quickly. I 1270 01:34:32,119 --> 01:34:34,960 know Wooten is on the cover too. We don't hear him say a line 1271 01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:40,520 per se, but I hear, especially in headphones, I heard some background 1272 01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,760 talking of his and him his like oh and you know, like his laughs 1273 01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,880 or something like that here and there. Ah, So it would have been 1274 01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:51,359 nice to hear hear from him. But I'm glad they didn't oversaturate with characters 1275 01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:55,920 in this, Like so the mentions like oh, there's Cooper and things like 1276 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,560 that, which also earlier Jules mentions you can see with the Calhouns or the 1277 01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:04,000 Washington that was interesting. Oh that's right. Yeah, yeah, huh. 1278 01:35:04,319 --> 01:35:08,560 I totally missed it noting that down. Yeah, that's cool. That is 1279 01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:12,760 cool. But the one thing with the with Bernard being there, this is 1280 01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,720 one time where the timeline, the chronology, the canon of Odyssey is different, 1281 01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,439 because before this episode we had Bernard chowp and the elsewhere in Odyssey comics, 1282 01:35:21,079 --> 01:35:25,520 and that just explained that he was like doing more work in Connorsville or 1283 01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,960 something like that, and he came back to Odyssey after a long period of 1284 01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,199 time or whatever, and then he had interactions with Eugene and then he goes 1285 01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:33,880 on the h family trip with Leonard Never and the Melsters and that kind of 1286 01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:38,560 stuff, which I liked that we had that interaction there. But with this 1287 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,520 episode, it's like, Oh, he's been gone for a long time and 1288 01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,680 now he's back. But this comics just came out a year or two before 1289 01:35:45,399 --> 01:35:47,319 this episode came out, but it isn't a big deal. Like I'd rather 1290 01:35:47,359 --> 01:35:50,079 hear him in the audio episode was cool with the comics seeing him interact with 1291 01:35:50,079 --> 01:35:55,520 other characters more, and I think a lot of people thought that they'd reuse 1292 01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:59,239 the audio from the Innoven era, which I'm really glad they did. But 1293 01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,319 it was nice hearing him, which we in official podcast years ago they shared 1294 01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:06,800 from the end of the era where this came from. There were some lines 1295 01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:11,000 that we didn't hear in that original I don't think there were lines of older 1296 01:36:11,039 --> 01:36:15,880 episodes before that, so hearing the new lines and then in this situation with 1297 01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:20,039 Bernard was very special. Yeah, And just to clarify, just in case 1298 01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:26,359 you're not aware, this was originally intended to be a sind off for Eugene 1299 01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,479 years ago when the staff thought they were going to lose will Ryan as Eugene 1300 01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:34,239 for various reasons, which we won't go into all of that, but they 1301 01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:36,680 thought that he wasn't going to be on the show anymore, so they had 1302 01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:43,520 written this episode and actually even recorded it, and then things changed and Will 1303 01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:45,680 stayed on the show. So they never aired that episode, but they had 1304 01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:51,279 that audio and it was the perfect time to bring that back and reuse that 1305 01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:58,000 so we could hear one more time from Bernard because you know, they had 1306 01:36:58,039 --> 01:37:02,239 it again. They had an interesting, unique relationship. That whole vacation arc 1307 01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:10,439 with Bernard and Eugene are just wonderful classic episodes that that fans love. I 1308 01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:15,399 mean, longtime fans point to those episodes as some of their favorites a lot 1309 01:37:15,399 --> 01:37:20,800 of the time. And you know what, the Four Corners episode and Hollywood 1310 01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:26,520 Earthquake and all of these things that they have gone through together. It's just 1311 01:37:28,199 --> 01:37:31,920 it would have felt a little bit odd to not have him somewhere involved, 1312 01:37:32,039 --> 01:37:34,960 or you know, even if they had just mentioned him, it was still 1313 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:40,000 felt a little lacking. So I'm really really glad that they went that route. 1314 01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:43,119 Yeah, and it worked out too. Like the only person they had 1315 01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:46,079 to change was you know, because Tom originally read the poem with them and 1316 01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:49,479 this one Jason takes over, which was interesting. They have talents of playing 1317 01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:55,359 two characters, two major characters in this one. But it's been a long 1318 01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:58,039 time that I've read the poem. It's the poem is an the official guy 1319 01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:01,199 like the words of it. I heard the podcast years ago with the audio, 1320 01:38:01,279 --> 01:38:05,399 but hearing in this setting, after hearing the build up to him leaving, 1321 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:10,359 I think I started hearing up listening to that one too, and I 1322 01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:14,000 just loved some of the lines, like you know, like a stubborn war 1323 01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:16,920 you grew on me and you know, you know, I wanted to shove 1324 01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:20,399 a cat down your throat and things like that. That was very Barnard, 1325 01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:25,720 something Bernard would very much say. Then any you know, will miss your 1326 01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:30,279 greetings and salutations, and like, oh my heart, yeah, yep, 1327 01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:34,279 that that moment, it was just kind of all smiles for me, just 1328 01:38:34,279 --> 01:38:39,600 because it was so cool to hear hear him at that moment. What got 1329 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:44,479 me at the most at this point was when Eugene starts giving his little speech 1330 01:38:45,159 --> 01:38:48,319 and yeah, that was that was tough, and you know, he says 1331 01:38:48,359 --> 01:38:50,840 something like, you know, the first time I heard that bell ring above 1332 01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,359 the door, was the day my life began. And I was just like, 1333 01:38:54,399 --> 01:38:56,800 oh, yeah, you think you think back, Yeah, you can 1334 01:38:56,840 --> 01:39:00,920 think back. Good day, gentlemen. Yep. Ah. It was also 1335 01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,560 cool too because I think they talked about the pitch of podcast and I think 1336 01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:08,359 I suspected it, but during some of the poem reading they actually use wil 1337 01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:12,520 Ryan's lines from that episode, not you know, the mix of Will and 1338 01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:16,239 Townsend's voice and that one there. So there's some elements of still of actual 1339 01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:23,319 just Will's voice using there. And also think I heard Luke and Zach's one 1340 01:39:23,319 --> 01:39:27,960 of them say about how to supplement They had clips of you know, you 1341 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:31,279 know Eugene's famous you know hmm, like oh like his you know, little 1342 01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,439 reactions they sprinkled out throughout which I listened to again, I picked up all 1343 01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:40,239 on a lot more of those. Yeah, that's a that's a really neat 1344 01:39:40,279 --> 01:39:45,319 touch for Yeah, I've said it before. The detail and the level of 1345 01:39:46,119 --> 01:39:51,399 thinking that goes into every little aspect of these episodes is just sometimes it just 1346 01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:56,680 blows me away at the things that they think of, and it's it's why 1347 01:39:56,720 --> 01:40:00,159 this show is is so good and it has lasted for so long. I 1348 01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:04,760 mean, these these people really care about every aspect of it and it shows. 1349 01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:09,640 Yeah, and I think some of us were talking about slacking the ada. 1350 01:40:10,359 --> 01:40:13,359 I think someone mentioned about how the quality of these episodes, like the 1351 01:40:13,399 --> 01:40:17,119 sound quality seem to be different, having a different tone or sound to it. 1352 01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,560 And then if it's a podcasts where Luke and Zach talk about doing the 1353 01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:25,479 sound design, part of the reason it was like that because to make this 1354 01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:29,439 audio sound to fit with everyone else, these basically like almost like a filter 1355 01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:31,159 of some sort to make it kind of like a set tape kind of quality 1356 01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:34,840 through for all this four parter, so the entire episode has maybe more this 1357 01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:40,079 analog warm kind of feeling to a certain extent. So I thought it was 1358 01:40:40,119 --> 01:40:44,960 really cool, like it was that way to mask how you know, Eugene's 1359 01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,359 audio is different from everybody else's lines, you know, just people using their 1360 01:40:48,359 --> 01:40:54,439 authentic voices there. But that's another cool, cool little uh thing they did 1361 01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:58,520 to make it work. And I don't think most people probably would have picked 1362 01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,880 up on that. Yeah, I didn't actually listen to these in headphones and 1363 01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,880 so I haven't. I have probably missed a lot of the little nuances of 1364 01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:11,600 that parts of it. But yeah, I love that they pay attention to 1365 01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:15,399 those things. Now, speaking of the whole Connie and Eugene dynamic here, 1366 01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:21,760 I love how she says something about hoping that he gets a Noble prize or 1367 01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:26,399 something like that, and then he corrects her Nobel prize. You know, 1368 01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:30,720 It's like that was just a classic Kanyie Eugene moment there. I'm glad this 1369 01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,800 happened. It seemed like it seemed very Conne Eugene like. But I was 1370 01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,039 glad it wasn't the last scene with them, but her giving him a toast 1371 01:41:36,119 --> 01:41:41,199 oven the Deluxe model, then saying goodbye, and you know, the hug 1372 01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:45,760 like I felt unsatisfying to a certain extent, but like, I'm glad they 1373 01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:51,520 didn't have that happen. And then oh, I love with saying there when 1374 01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:56,399 he's saying goodbye to Eugene, always remember I love you, I'm proud of 1375 01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:58,920 you, and the best yet to come. Oh my goodness, I'm tearing 1376 01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:05,239 up already. That was just a beautiful moment there. And also we haven't 1377 01:42:05,239 --> 01:42:10,319 heard this for years, but you know his keys whistling for his keys, 1378 01:42:10,319 --> 01:42:13,640 which I think is the same audio from that there, which if you think 1379 01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:16,119 too much about it, like the technology has increased quite a bit since then, 1380 01:42:16,119 --> 01:42:19,239 you pray wouldn't need that anymore. Yeah, there was more of an 1381 01:42:19,279 --> 01:42:23,800 easter egg for like the classic fans, like, don't think about it too 1382 01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,520 much, it's just a callback. Don't think about too much. Technology is 1383 01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:29,880 better than that now. But it was like, oh, I was so 1384 01:42:30,039 --> 01:42:34,880 cool. Yep. I had that in my notes too, and also that 1385 01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:40,640 that line from Wit and also what you said about them, that's sort that 1386 01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:44,520 sort of goodbye between Kanye and Jean not being super satisfying. I had that 1387 01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:48,039 mentioned as well. I was like, man, that that can be the 1388 01:42:48,039 --> 01:42:51,000 way that it ends for them. You know, that's just not going to 1389 01:42:51,079 --> 01:42:54,680 work, you know. So I was so glad that they did that. 1390 01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:59,960 And oh, my word, Katie was phenomenal. Katie. He wasn't acting. 1391 01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:04,239 I'm sure that was raw emotion. Oh it killed me. I remember 1392 01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:09,399 the first time I heard it. Oh, it just wrecked me. And 1393 01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:13,239 I I texted her. I was like, Katie, oh my goodness, 1394 01:43:13,279 --> 01:43:15,840 I mean, that was a fantastic. I don't remember exactly what I said, 1395 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,880 but I was just like I just had to tell her like that, 1396 01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:26,199 you that scene was just fantastic, and and I know that they've talked about 1397 01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:30,640 it on the on the podcast and things. This was a this was a 1398 01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:35,560 very difficult thing for the cast, this whole especially probably this fourth fourth part, 1399 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:41,119 you know, just because for them this is not just a character like 1400 01:43:41,159 --> 01:43:44,600 it is for us as a as a listener. This is a friend of 1401 01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:49,600 theirs and and uh so yeah it Oh goodness, Yeah, I want to 1402 01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:54,279 jump back real quick about with I don't know if you noticed this, but 1403 01:43:54,319 --> 01:43:58,640 when they leave, you know, he says goodbye with the way intonation, 1404 01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:02,319 there is not an awful law like at the end of exit with the voicemail 1405 01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:06,600 that Eugene has you know, well wherever you are with it's kind of the 1406 01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:11,119 notation there. It kind of made me think of how that ended. It 1407 01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:14,279 wasn't the same exact words, but the way the InfoNation was it sounded pretty 1408 01:44:14,279 --> 01:44:17,199 similar. Mmmm, that's a good job observation. But yeah, I think 1409 01:44:17,239 --> 01:44:20,159 with you know Katie, you know, talking there like she did such a 1410 01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:25,159 great job and life expectancy like when Connie's mom dies, like it was that's 1411 01:44:25,159 --> 01:44:28,720 some of the Katie's best acting there. But I haven't listened to it back 1412 01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,840 to back or side by side or whatever, but compared to that because as 1413 01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:38,319 created an actresses as Katy is getting that raw emotion there of her grieving the 1414 01:44:38,359 --> 01:44:43,119 loss of Will, her best friend, and as the character Connie losing her 1415 01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:47,119 best friend Eugene. Yeah, yeah, it was very emotional for me. 1416 01:44:47,159 --> 01:44:53,920 I started crying crying there as well. And it's I don't think it's urban 1417 01:44:54,840 --> 01:45:00,560 said on the show, but like of Connie saying that Eugene is her friend, 1418 01:45:00,399 --> 01:45:04,840 I have to try to think about that, like she might have said 1419 01:45:05,359 --> 01:45:12,600 Penny at some point, I'm not certain about that, but to the point 1420 01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,000 that she finally says that, oh no, no, no, when Eugene 1421 01:45:15,359 --> 01:45:19,000 is gone in overcom she says he's one of my closest or one of my 1422 01:45:19,039 --> 01:45:24,479 best friends or something something like that. But in this time she says, 1423 01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:28,560 you know, she cares about him so much, and all these emotions and 1424 01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,720 all that she's been through, like most of her life, like I don't 1425 01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:32,920 know how old Kanye's at this point, but most of her life, like 1426 01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:36,680 every kind of like Eugene. Her life began when she came to Odyssey, 1427 01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:41,159 and ninety nine percent of the time that she'd been out, Eugene has been 1428 01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:45,680 there. I don't know if that percentage is correct, but yeah, it 1429 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:49,840 was. It was great. And also Eugene being kind of the wise mentor 1430 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:54,680 kind of like in life expectancy when he was companying her about her mother dying 1431 01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:59,079 and giving the advice that he had learned from her mom about grieving and things 1432 01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:02,199 like that. Talk about memories, I really like that about the importance of 1433 01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:04,920 memories. They help sustain us. They also help us to move on, 1434 01:46:05,159 --> 01:46:08,840 and it's a blessing from God. Yes, memories can be painful. Not 1435 01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:13,000 all memories are good, but those good ones, you know, even if 1436 01:46:13,039 --> 01:46:19,000 you have a very sad, bad life because of the circumstances beyond your control, 1437 01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:26,880 those good memories somehow. I can't say this because I've been very blessed, 1438 01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:30,239 not how to difficult childhood or anything like that, but I would think 1439 01:46:30,279 --> 01:46:33,479 that for some people, those good memories they stand up more sometimes more, 1440 01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:36,319 I mean, think about the bad ones more, where the good ones seem 1441 01:46:36,399 --> 01:46:40,000 to shine a little bit the brightest there. And that's probably you know, 1442 01:46:40,359 --> 01:46:44,359 God's providence in doing that. Yeah, it was just a beautiful moment, 1443 01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,439 a wonderful bit of dialogue. There can't say for sure who wrote it, 1444 01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:51,960 since there were three writers credited here, but that moment was just beautiful, 1445 01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:56,239 and yeah, it all comes full circle. There's there's this thread that's been 1446 01:46:56,279 --> 01:47:00,279 running through all four of these parts about memory, and first we're in a 1447 01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:06,279 medical context and then we have it here as in these memories are these times 1448 01:47:06,279 --> 01:47:11,920 we've had together, and he says, the memories we've had together are blessings 1449 01:47:12,279 --> 01:47:15,239 and they'll be with us for the rest of our lives. And it was 1450 01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:17,880 just in fact, let's go ahead and take a listen to that this moment. 1451 01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:23,880 I mean, it's one of the best moments of this entire four partner. 1452 01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:29,000 Oh, Miss Kendall, I believe God has given us a wonderful way 1453 01:47:29,039 --> 01:47:35,600 to help us in situations where we experience loss. What I've spent years now 1454 01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:41,439 working to help people regain and retain their memories. Recently, I've gained a 1455 01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:45,079 renewed appreciation for the gift that they are. The memories we have of the 1456 01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:50,960 people we love for not only reflections of reminiscence and thanksgiving. They sustain us 1457 01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:58,039 when we're sad, they help us move on. The memories we've had together 1458 01:47:58,159 --> 01:48:04,199 our blessings will always have for the rest of our lives. Yeah, we 1459 01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:09,720 do have some pretty good ones, don't we Many years of both mirth and 1460 01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:19,800 melancholy all worth keeping, worth treasuring. And even that that sih there, 1461 01:48:21,279 --> 01:48:28,039 that's great acting right there. I mean it's not just in the words that 1462 01:48:28,119 --> 01:48:31,039 you say and how you say it, but it's in the spaces and in 1463 01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:39,520 those just those little vocal efforts and it's reactions just so good, so good, 1464 01:48:41,079 --> 01:48:45,079 and and man that line, you know, years of mirth and melancholy. 1465 01:48:46,399 --> 01:48:51,199 Life is a mixed bag. It's not always roses. But notice what 1466 01:48:51,239 --> 01:48:57,399 he says there. They're all worth keeping, worth treasuring because these are the 1467 01:48:57,439 --> 01:49:02,359 memories that we've made together. And ah, it's great, great stuff. 1468 01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:06,640 Yeah, things you can learn from even the bad stuff. It's hard to 1469 01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:12,000 be thankful when you're having those bad things happen, but looking back on them, 1470 01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:16,159 you can see God's hand in your life and the things how things could 1471 01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:19,159 have been worse, or things that you learn from that, and the times 1472 01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:25,319 that you know, this almost happened or this did happen. I heard a 1473 01:49:25,359 --> 01:49:29,159 sermon by a pastor who talks about this woman that was going through really rough 1474 01:49:29,159 --> 01:49:31,479 time or whatever, and I think him or someone else had asked about like 1475 01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,079 how they can pray for her like that, and she said, you know, 1476 01:49:34,119 --> 01:49:40,079 pray for me. They don't waste this pain. In the midst of 1477 01:49:40,119 --> 01:49:44,640 that, she was wanting to use that pain to use that time to either 1478 01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:48,279 like like grow deeper inner relationship with God, learn something about it, to 1479 01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:53,439 help her improve her own life, and that kind of stuff. And that's 1480 01:49:54,119 --> 01:49:58,640 very hard to see in the middle of hard times like that. But looking 1481 01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,039 back on the rough times, you know, lie, you know, as 1482 01:50:00,199 --> 01:50:05,159 Christians, we had the wonderful blessing that no matter what happens in our life, 1483 01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:08,880 you know, verbins A twenty eight, God works all things out for 1484 01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:12,680 good. Now all things are good, that God works them together for good, 1485 01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:16,119 right right. And just a little bit later, Eugene makes a comment 1486 01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:18,600 when he's talking to Wit I believe, and he says, you know, 1487 01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:25,039 life is filled with bittersweet moments, and so he's even still on that theme 1488 01:50:25,079 --> 01:50:28,520 there, and it kind of makes me think of that essay that I wrote 1489 01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:30,880 back in January, and I did an audio version of it, and it's 1490 01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:35,760 called Finding Value in Loss, And I was not thinking about these episodes at 1491 01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:40,520 all when I wrote that. I was prompted by completely different things. But 1492 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:43,600 it's just in this conversation that you and I are having right now, it 1493 01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:46,840 has come to my mind and it's making me think about that and I think 1494 01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:49,600 it fits really well. So link is in the show notes if you want 1495 01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,319 to check that out. If you haven't heard that, I know I've mentioned 1496 01:50:53,359 --> 01:50:57,399 it on the show recently, but if you haven't heard that, I would 1497 01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:00,399 consider it a favor if you would go listen to that and let me know 1498 01:51:00,399 --> 01:51:03,760 what you think of it. But it is so true that life is a 1499 01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:10,079 journey and there are all of these moments that come together that form the whole 1500 01:51:10,119 --> 01:51:15,960 of who we are, and we have the choice of deciding how we're going 1501 01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,479 to react to the things that happen to us, and how we're going to 1502 01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:26,239 respond and how we're going to use these hard times to grow. And it's 1503 01:51:26,319 --> 01:51:30,279 so so valuable and important and that they're really bringing this home because we know 1504 01:51:30,319 --> 01:51:35,600 the target audience for this show are children, and so a lot of this 1505 01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:40,239 might be lost on them, but they're still going to feel the weight of 1506 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:45,640 what's happening in these moments, in these scenes, and I think it's still 1507 01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:47,079 going to have an impact, And of course it will have a greater impact 1508 01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:50,520 for those of us who are adults and have lived a little bit of life. 1509 01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:55,720 But I love that, you know, they're using this moment of this 1510 01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:00,079 sind Off for this character to bring home these life lessons. And it was 1511 01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:06,000 beautifully done for sure. And one callback I thought of, you know, 1512 01:52:06,079 --> 01:52:11,279 when they're saying, you know, giving each other real hug, I was 1513 01:52:11,319 --> 01:52:16,319 thinking, I'm Katrina hug me yep, I thought of that too, and 1514 01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:20,680 I'm wondering here. We talked about this the last and the two standload episodes 1515 01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:25,600 about humor ruining a moment. What did you think about the vests and the 1516 01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:30,560 last word? Okay, so this felt very natural because this is the this 1517 01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:35,720 is how they've reacted and been with each other the entire time, And it 1518 01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:42,000 felt like Connie was not trying to make light of anything but her quip about 1519 01:52:42,039 --> 01:52:47,680 the vests. It felt like her trying to lighten it for herself, like 1520 01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:54,399 she's about to lose it completely here and so she's trying to diffuse it a 1521 01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:57,960 little bit not I don't know it. For some reason, this one really 1522 01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,960 worked. I thought it really felt Yeah, I think so, it felt 1523 01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:08,000 like it belonged and you know, and then him coming back with you know, 1524 01:53:08,079 --> 01:53:11,399 you're you're picking on my wife and or you're picking on not just me 1525 01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:15,239 at but my wife as well. You know, I don't know it really 1526 01:53:15,239 --> 01:53:17,760 worked in this moment for me, And I also was thinking to hear me, 1527 01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:21,680 hear me where she wasn't She was saying it spitefully talk about you know, 1528 01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:26,000 like the vests that makes them look like amphibian and then she says later 1529 01:53:26,039 --> 01:53:29,199 on spiefully, you know you went truthfulness and a fronts or whatever. Look 1530 01:53:29,239 --> 01:53:31,359 you look like an armadillo and that turtle vest, Like what that's downright cruel. 1531 01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:34,760 That's what I was also thinking to the time she said, badger, 1532 01:53:35,159 --> 01:53:40,039 badger. Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. And it's a 1533 01:53:40,119 --> 01:53:44,720 nursing the last word it's only once I think an Odyssey canon. In the 1534 01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:49,199 story itself, we have it's a rap where Eugene talks about having the last 1535 01:53:49,239 --> 01:53:53,560 word or whatever, and he keeps saying that, oh yeah, well it 1536 01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:56,439 doesn't show this whatever, and then Lucy tried to, you know, move 1537 01:53:56,479 --> 01:53:59,159 away. Then he keeps coming with the last word, like this one is 1538 01:53:59,319 --> 01:54:03,079 much more of a I guess kind of easter egg. Because rabid fans of 1539 01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:05,800 the show would know how that's o. Katie and Will are in the studio, 1540 01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:09,439 they're also trying to have the last word in this kind of stuff. 1541 01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:12,399 In the scene they keep aud living that kind of stuff. So it was 1542 01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:15,520 one of those easter eggs there that long time fans of the show would know 1543 01:54:16,319 --> 01:54:19,720 between the two things, that the vest and the last word thing, the 1544 01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:26,960 last word one felt a little bit more inserted, the other one felt much 1545 01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:30,359 more natural. But this one I thought worked as well, and I understand 1546 01:54:30,399 --> 01:54:33,199 why, but it did not bother me. But yeah, I thought both 1547 01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:41,680 of them were really really nice, and the music all throughout these these final 1548 01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:47,840 scenes was just phenomenal. It really just meshed well with the mood and it 1549 01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:54,920 helped enhance the emotion. And I thought John Campbell did a fantastic job there. 1550 01:54:55,399 --> 01:55:01,560 And the worst part was towards the end there with Wit He's absolutely losing 1551 01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:05,840 it and that was that was the worst part for me. And he's he's 1552 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:11,479 basically sobbing and he says to Connie he's really gone, and that's what it 1553 01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:15,119 just really really hit home for me. But overall, I think the way 1554 01:55:15,159 --> 01:55:21,800 that everything was handled, considering all of the circumstances and all of the things 1555 01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:27,600 that they had to deal with with the technology and all that stuff. I 1556 01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:30,800 thought it was handled really well. And then working in the entire thread of 1557 01:55:31,439 --> 01:55:36,840 well, what's what's going on with this family, because they've just adopted Buck, 1558 01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:41,159 and you know, everybody was wondering if they decided to kill off the 1559 01:55:41,239 --> 01:55:44,800 character of Eugene, how are they going to do that after you know, 1560 01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:46,359 they've they've just become a family that's not gonna work. You know, we've 1561 01:55:46,399 --> 01:55:51,159 all we were all kind of speculating on what could happen here, and then 1562 01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:55,560 working that into it. The way they did with having them you know, 1563 01:55:56,119 --> 01:55:59,079 Buck, I think is because I remember somebody to talk. I don't remember 1564 01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:02,399 who it was, but I remember being in conversations with people who had brought 1565 01:56:02,479 --> 01:56:08,239 up the idea of having Bucks stay in Odyssey, or or that Eugene might 1566 01:56:08,479 --> 01:56:13,199 go away for some period of time to work on something and Buck and Katrina 1567 01:56:13,239 --> 01:56:15,720 would stay in Odyssey. And but so there's all these different things, and 1568 01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:19,680 but the way they did it, it really seemed to work. And I 1569 01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:24,119 thought that Jewels had missed out, like I thought. I didn't think that 1570 01:56:24,119 --> 01:56:28,720 they were gonna cut back to them, and that that totally caught me by 1571 01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:33,159 surprise when when that actually happened. Yeah, it's actually similar to how Connie 1572 01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:38,520 and Eugene when Witt was leaving and coming back to Odyssey, how they have 1573 01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:41,039 this mad dash, all these bad, bad things happening, like all these 1574 01:56:41,039 --> 01:56:44,520 obstacles will get to them, like I missed it or I missing goodbye and 1575 01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:46,720 missed this party and that kind of stuff, and then when it really matters, 1576 01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:55,760 they they meet. Yeah, and bringing in Marshall as as Officer Burke. 1577 01:56:56,279 --> 01:56:59,119 That was pretty fun. Yeah, that was that was a nice touch. 1578 01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,840 It was pretty pretty cool to have just the poolehouse and and that just 1579 01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:04,880 sort of ext I know, it's a very small role. So he played. 1580 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:09,159 Wont to bring the act distion for that one there, but yeah, 1581 01:57:09,279 --> 01:57:12,319 it was not hearing him and how he kind of saved the day. I 1582 01:57:12,399 --> 01:57:16,079 like that, Yo, give me a ride and a ticket. Yeah, 1583 01:57:16,279 --> 01:57:20,319 I love how even before that, when they're trying the car, Eugene to 1584 01:57:20,359 --> 01:57:23,079 saying, you know, like I want to say, are you crying? 1585 01:57:23,159 --> 01:57:26,960 Says minimally like that's a very Eugene thing to say, and then he's like, 1586 01:57:27,079 --> 01:57:29,880 you know, you know, this is the road contact of how to 1587 01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,199 drive it's like eugen eat stop side. It's like, oh my goodness, 1588 01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:34,560 it's so funny with that. It's like, oh, he was conduct like 1589 01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:38,319 go to a teacher, and they'd also like call back to his accidents or 1590 01:57:38,319 --> 01:57:41,560 whatever, and a license to drive it was, and then they're fighting over 1591 01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:45,159 who needs a dry right, Yeah. Yeah. All in all, I 1592 01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:50,479 just think it was really extremely well done. I mean, as I said, 1593 01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:55,439 my my personal preference, as I sort of came around to was that 1594 01:57:55,479 --> 01:58:00,000 I would I would have preferred them to recast and and the Melsteners to stay. 1595 01:58:00,039 --> 01:58:03,479 But considering that that's the way that they went, this is probably the 1596 01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:08,279 best way that they could have done it. And even Chris at the end, 1597 01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:12,319 you know's she gets her sinned off for Eugene too, you know, 1598 01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:15,479 thanks for the memories, Eugene, she says, And that was beautiful too. 1599 01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:24,319 So overall, I loved these episodes for what they are and how it 1600 01:58:24,359 --> 01:58:30,880 all came together, and the performances were just phenomenal. The music was beautiful. 1601 01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:35,439 But I also don't like them because of what they mean for the characters. 1602 01:58:38,119 --> 01:58:41,319 But it is what it is, and I think it was extremely well 1603 01:58:41,359 --> 01:58:45,079 done. So I'm guessing you Pray weren't super happy that Buck and Choules will 1604 01:58:45,319 --> 01:58:49,159 continue their dating relationship. I think it was a sweet moment, but still 1605 01:58:49,159 --> 01:58:53,840 I'm not totally liking it, But I understand for the characters to keep the 1606 01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:58,199 connection between Odyssey and Baltimore with Eugene and them, I think I think it 1607 01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:00,760 works, and I think they're still a good to be come out of that, 1608 01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:04,000 even though I'm not crazy about the idea in real life. Yeah, 1609 01:59:04,119 --> 01:59:09,359 I'm pretty much on the same page there as well. And I mean I 1610 01:59:09,359 --> 01:59:12,319 think it's even better because they're they're not going to be in the same play 1611 01:59:12,399 --> 01:59:15,560 the same place together, so it has to be long distance, so it's 1612 01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:18,560 you know, they're not like they're going to be getting into any trouble with 1613 01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:23,399 each other. So on one hand, that's that might be a better outcome. 1614 01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:30,359 Yeah. Well, I mentioned each episode to spring up progressively more emotional 1615 01:59:30,399 --> 01:59:34,439 for me, and part four. I've cried listened to Odyssey episodes listening to 1616 01:59:34,439 --> 01:59:39,199 them for the first time because you know, like something like Unsinkable or One 1617 01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:43,000 More Name or some older episodes I listened to as an adult that hit me 1618 01:59:43,039 --> 01:59:48,199 differently. But at the party, you know, Bernard's poem Eugene's you know, 1619 01:59:48,399 --> 01:59:53,279 kind of speech to them by to Connie good By the Wit I was, 1620 01:59:54,279 --> 01:59:56,920 I don't know, I'm not ashamed to say I was. I was 1621 01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:00,399 crying throughout. And then we get to the last year with wit crying that 1622 02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:05,439 just broke me. I was. I was pretty much sobbing at that point. 1623 02:00:05,479 --> 02:00:11,399 And part of it was very multifaceted for me, because not only was 1624 02:00:11,439 --> 02:00:15,279 I, you know, grieving that will Ryan had passed away, and that 1625 02:00:15,359 --> 02:00:20,640 this character of Eugene that I growing up listening to was going away. The 1626 02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:26,680 day Part four aired on The Club, a similar situation that so those characters 1627 02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:30,760 are going through I was experiencing at the time. I think the week previous 1628 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:34,239 something like that. I found out that when my cousins that listened the same 1629 02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:36,800 time with me, I got to church with them, I see him usually 1630 02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:41,199 a few times a week or so, and I found out that he was 1631 02:00:41,239 --> 02:00:46,560 going out east to do schooling there, and I did not know it until 1632 02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:51,079 about a week before he left. And so it's kind of a gut punched 1633 02:00:51,159 --> 02:00:55,800 me to a certain extent. Not I'm not as close close to him as 1634 02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:58,600 I am. Like Eugene Connie are like I'm still pretty close to him, 1635 02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:00,680 but going with idea like I'm not going to see him at church, I'm 1636 02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:04,720 not gonna be able to hang out with them, things like that. And 1637 02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:10,479 the day that this aired in the club was the day that him and it's 1638 02:01:10,479 --> 02:01:15,840 Fily left to go back east to drop him off. So all those emotions, 1639 02:01:15,439 --> 02:01:19,760 the reliability with it kind of again that small taste of like what the 1640 02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:25,279 characters or something with that, it just it was a bit overwhelming for me, 1641 02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:32,399 Like i I'm not, I'm not, I'm satisfied with how things turned 1642 02:01:32,399 --> 02:01:35,920 out with all these episodes. I think they were done very tastefully. I 1643 02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:41,520 think they did such great They did great fan service. They didn't give the 1644 02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:44,279 fans everything they wanted, but I think they gave him a lot of those 1645 02:01:44,319 --> 02:01:47,119 Easter eggs and callbacks and the things that we wanted to hear before him leaving, 1646 02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:53,399 like things like with Bernard and things like that. And I appreciate it 1647 02:01:53,399 --> 02:01:56,279 also with you know Wit at this point, because I think again people think 1648 02:01:56,279 --> 02:01:58,680 of that what was being lovel too callous and not shown his emotions, like 1649 02:01:59,039 --> 02:02:01,920 conymentions about you know, isn't your wisdom ever take a day off like lazy 1650 02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:05,800 or angry or whatever. We don't see WIT's emotion that that much, like 1651 02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:09,479 we hear a little bit of that and always home we talks about you know, 1652 02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:14,399 it's Tom's birthday and him missing him, and correct me if I'm wrong. 1653 02:02:14,479 --> 02:02:17,640 I can't remember a time that at this age, not like young Wit 1654 02:02:18,439 --> 02:02:24,399 crying this much about something that we hear him doing that, and so just 1655 02:02:24,439 --> 02:02:27,520 you know, just kind of tears in his voice, just quivering or something 1656 02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:30,560 like that, outright crying and sobbing like that, Like, yeah, I 1657 02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:34,600 can't recall. Yeah, it was like that's a new thing, I'm guessing. 1658 02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:38,680 And that's probably also one thing that's so unexpected or so rare that it 1659 02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:42,640 hit me and stuff for other people doing that. And also I know a 1660 02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:47,079 lot of a lot of people pick on Andre and I I think a lot 1661 02:02:47,159 --> 02:02:50,800 some of it's unwarranted. Actually a lot of it that I've I've accepted him 1662 02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:57,039 as Wit long ago and I've gotten to meet him before, and Andre is 1663 02:02:57,039 --> 02:03:00,279 just one of the nicest people ever. But think about it too. Andre 1664 02:03:00,439 --> 02:03:05,960 has been on the show almost as long as Paul Linger or House Smith, 1665 02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:12,560 and he's worked with wol Ryan almost as long. So his emotions and that 1666 02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:15,520 possibly might have been kind of rolled too to a certain extent as much as 1667 02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:21,560 Katie of course, but it feels earned in that not just for the character 1668 02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:25,840 of Wit to do that, but also for Andre with the history that he's 1669 02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:29,119 had with wol Ryan over the years on the show as well. And a 1670 02:03:30,039 --> 02:03:34,680 great acting moment for Andre, and also the writing for wits him bringing like 1671 02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:40,840 the Abrahamic moment and things like that that he told Connie and also with Eugenie 1672 02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:45,079 earlier, just some great, great writing for Wit, and again great acting 1673 02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:49,079 from Wit as well from Andre. For Wit. Absolutely absolutely, yeah, 1674 02:03:49,119 --> 02:03:58,199 I totally agree with that. It was a really raw moment and just yeah, 1675 02:03:58,199 --> 02:04:01,640 that was the part that got me the most, I think. And 1676 02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:06,680 that is a good point that you bring up that he did have a history 1677 02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:14,199 with will Ryan as well, and we sometimes forget about that because us old 1678 02:04:14,239 --> 02:04:17,560 time fans, you know, we forget that he has been on the show 1679 02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:23,439 for that long. And I think that's a good point to remind people about. 1680 02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:28,960 And you're right. I hear people being less than enthused about his voice, 1681 02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:31,439 as with a lot I hear people seeing stuff all the time, and 1682 02:04:33,319 --> 02:04:39,600 I understand a little bit because his voice is very different from both hal And 1683 02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:45,439 and Paul's. But this was a very beautiful moment. And to your point 1684 02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:49,399 about the writing, again, there were just some wonderful lines there, and 1685 02:04:50,319 --> 02:04:54,720 yeah, I guess I'm repeating myself now, but I just think the whole 1686 02:04:55,279 --> 02:05:02,359 wrap up here was beautiful, extremely well done. And I don't know if 1687 02:05:02,399 --> 02:05:06,680 if I if I can truthfully say that I feel like the best is yet 1688 02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:13,680 to come, because you know, after having been listening to the show for 1689 02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,720 so many years and looking back fondly at some of these great episodes from the 1690 02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:23,960 past and these moments, especially of Eugene, and knowing that we'll never have 1691 02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:27,439 any more of those, it's kind of hard to say the best is yet 1692 02:05:27,479 --> 02:05:30,439 to come. But you know, the show goes on, life goes on, 1693 02:05:30,760 --> 02:05:34,039 and I think they did a fantastic job. And of course we do 1694 02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:40,319 need to shout out Nathan Hubler as the producer of the show and executive producer 1695 02:05:40,399 --> 02:05:45,399 Dave Arnold. This was a huge team effort. This was not just a 1696 02:05:45,399 --> 02:05:49,399 couple of writers writing a couple of scripts. This was not your average album. 1697 02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:54,880 This was everybody, all hands on deck. Marshall Younger as showrunner, 1698 02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:59,000 everybody was involved in this. I'm sure. I'm sure it was not easy 1699 02:05:59,039 --> 02:06:01,760 for them, not just the actors, but for you know, the focused 1700 02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:05,039 staff too, and you know, the Odyssey team. They've worked with Will 1701 02:06:05,119 --> 02:06:11,640 for decades, and so this was a beautiful way to say goodbye to Eugene 1702 02:06:11,680 --> 02:06:15,760 Meltzner. Yeah, and I think I know you were as enthused with the 1703 02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:17,359 first two episodes. I think a lot of people, because there's some looking 1704 02:06:17,399 --> 02:06:20,319 for the four parter and all that stuff, they overlook the first two. 1705 02:06:20,399 --> 02:06:26,119 I think overall, this entire album was very good. I don't think it's 1706 02:06:26,239 --> 02:06:30,079 quite as good as Album seventy two. I think that one is probably the 1707 02:06:30,119 --> 02:06:32,239 best of the sixth part or the six episode albums of Odyssey. But like 1708 02:06:33,159 --> 02:06:36,840 really, Odyssey has has some really great albums, like most of like pretty 1709 02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:40,479 much all except for one, for like seventy one. I think all of 1710 02:06:40,479 --> 02:06:45,279 seventy two, seventy three, and now seventy five are I know, it's 1711 02:06:45,439 --> 02:06:48,520 it's some of the best Odyssey has done. And I'm really appreciative all the 1712 02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:54,119 effort the team went in to make all these stories not just the best of 1713 02:06:54,199 --> 02:06:57,319 everything in this album, because all of them, to a certain extent, 1714 02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:02,800 are being some kind of close your or continuing storylines from the past about characters 1715 02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:08,439 that we care about and things we need to think need to resolved in that 1716 02:07:08,479 --> 02:07:11,920 kind of stuff, and I think for the most part, all those are 1717 02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:15,840 resolved in a very satisfying way, very emotional way, and especially with you 1718 02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:18,880 know, the four parter, again, not what everybody wanted. No matter 1719 02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:23,319 what decision they made, you're not gonna please everybody. Yeah, yeah, 1720 02:07:23,359 --> 02:07:26,199 I'm just glad they didn't take the extreme of you know, killing the character 1721 02:07:26,439 --> 02:07:30,359 himself. I'd prefer them recasting. But with this I appreciate at least the 1722 02:07:30,520 --> 02:07:33,279 diligence and time they took to give a good sign off for the character. 1723 02:07:34,119 --> 02:07:39,239 Thank you Odyssey team, and and thank you, thank you Will Ryan for 1724 02:07:39,359 --> 02:07:42,000 spending so much time on the show and giving us the character of Eugene. 1725 02:07:42,039 --> 02:07:47,039 And we love you, Will, We miss you absolutely, yeah, absolutely, 1726 02:07:48,119 --> 02:07:51,840 you know, there there were there were some beautiful tributes on the podcast, 1727 02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:56,199 and you know they had a Nancy on there too, on the official 1728 02:07:56,239 --> 02:08:00,840 podcast as well. So you know, as somebody has said, I think 1729 02:08:00,840 --> 02:08:03,640 they may have said on the podcast, but I know I've heard it among 1730 02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:07,319 the fans. You know, we'll always have these episodes to go back to 1731 02:08:07,359 --> 02:08:11,319 and listen to over and over again. So yeah, he embodied the character 1732 02:08:11,399 --> 02:08:16,880 of Eugene Meltzner so well. And Eugene was Will. Will was Eugene, 1733 02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:24,720 And I mean, that character is so iconic and I will always have those 1734 02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:31,000 memories and love those episodes. And that brings us to the end of album 1735 02:08:31,079 --> 02:08:35,159 seventy five. And isn't that kind of interesting too. The I don't know 1736 02:08:35,159 --> 02:08:37,399 if that was intentional on their part, but to have it happen on a 1737 02:08:37,479 --> 02:08:43,039 nice round and number like seventy five, and as Eugene says there in part 1738 02:08:43,079 --> 02:08:48,439 four, it is the end of an era. Well, thank you, 1739 02:08:48,479 --> 02:08:52,560 Austin. Always good talking with you about Adventures and Odyssey, and I appreciate 1740 02:08:52,640 --> 02:09:00,760 you lending your opinions and your expertise on the show for us today. Well, 1741 02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:03,279 thank you, JD. It was an honor to be on this podcast 1742 02:09:03,319 --> 02:09:09,000 and not necessarily the most easiest or most fun review so the content, you 1743 02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:11,520 know, with the sadness of it and all that, but I always have 1744 02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:15,800 a fun time talking about Odyssey and talking with you and being on ATC It's 1745 02:09:15,800 --> 02:09:22,920 always a pleasure. So what are you think of the show? Please leave 1746 02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:26,560 your message after the shown. Hi, Audience Theater Central. Hey guys, 1747 02:09:26,640 --> 02:09:31,960 this is awesome hell about JD Roy Andrew Minum is Victoria Now. Yesterday I 1748 02:09:33,039 --> 02:09:35,119 received a letter from a big band. No time to Josh. I've got 1749 02:09:35,159 --> 02:09:39,039 an email list another package for me today. No, it's actually just your 1750 02:09:39,079 --> 02:09:43,840 mail. Well, if you would like to get in touch with us, 1751 02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:48,760 there are numerous ways to do that. You can email us feedback at audio 1752 02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:52,199 theatercentral dot com, comment on the show notes, or send a text or 1753 02:09:52,279 --> 02:09:56,840 leave a voicemail to our feedback line which is six two three six eight eight 1754 02:09:58,039 --> 02:10:03,800 two seven seven zero. Oh, we've got some comments here on episode two 1755 02:10:03,960 --> 02:10:09,640 hundred, which was a marathon to produce. Took a long long time to 1756 02:10:09,640 --> 02:10:13,920 get that episode recorded and edited and out to you, but I'm so thankful 1757 02:10:15,039 --> 02:10:18,279 that everybody seemed to really enjoy it. Got some great feedback here. Nato 1758 02:10:18,359 --> 02:10:24,079 Jacobson said, everyone in their grandmother has a podcast, and frankly, I 1759 02:10:24,079 --> 02:10:26,560 think most of them don't serve a valuable enough purpose to be worthy of attention 1760 02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:31,960 and investment. What I sincerely appreciate about your work JD and that of your 1761 02:10:31,960 --> 02:10:35,039 team is that Audio Theater Central is of a rare breed which does not fall 1762 02:10:35,079 --> 02:10:39,840 into that category. I recently had a friend to reach out on behalf of 1763 02:10:39,880 --> 02:10:43,199 someone wanting to pursue voice acting, and I told her what I've told many 1764 02:10:43,239 --> 02:10:46,359 others. If you're interested in family friendly audio drama, go to ATC for 1765 02:10:46,479 --> 02:10:50,439 orientation. It's that simple. Most people wouldn't even know that I work on 1766 02:10:50,479 --> 02:10:54,439 these shows if it wasn't for you, as there is generally very little recognition 1767 02:10:54,479 --> 02:10:58,399 of cast or crew in the space. It's a practical and meaningful resource for 1768 02:10:58,439 --> 02:11:03,359 a tiny end that is being helped by nothing else like it. And we 1769 02:11:03,479 --> 02:11:07,359 have you to thank for that. Wow, Nato, thank you so much. 1770 02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:13,680 Those are very very kind words and very high praise. I don't take 1771 02:11:13,680 --> 02:11:18,319 it lightly. I really really appreciate that, and that means a lot to 1772 02:11:18,359 --> 02:11:22,399 me. That we are serving a purpose here and that's what we've been striving 1773 02:11:22,439 --> 02:11:28,279 to do here since twenty ten is shine a light on what is being done 1774 02:11:28,359 --> 02:11:31,920 in this amazing space called family friendly audio drama, get the word out, 1775 02:11:33,319 --> 02:11:37,079 bring in more listeners. That's what it's all about, and of course, 1776 02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:39,720 foster some community with all of us who are already fans. You know, 1777 02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:46,239 we've got to have some other nerds to talk to, so thank you again. 1778 02:11:46,319 --> 02:11:50,439 Nato. Rose Beasley said, happy two hundred JD. What an awesome 1779 02:11:50,439 --> 02:11:56,359 accomplishment in Milestone. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this entire episode. It was 1780 02:11:56,479 --> 02:12:01,640 packed to the max. Yes, the longest episode ever in the history of 1781 02:12:01,680 --> 02:12:07,399 the show. Thank you, Rose. David Hilder said, congratulations, just 1782 02:12:07,439 --> 02:12:11,359 finished listening. So great to hear the voices of so many talented people in 1783 02:12:11,399 --> 02:12:18,680 the industry. Yes, absolutely, what a chock full lineup of amazingly talented 1784 02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:24,479 folks. Loved loved love getting to talk to all of those amazing folks. 1785 02:12:24,039 --> 02:12:30,720 Thank you, David. And lastly, Bethany Baldwin said, fantastic episode. 1786 02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:35,680 Congratulations on such an amazing accomplishment. Thank you so much. Bethany, really 1787 02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:39,800 appreciate it. Now I realize that all of the feedback this time around was 1788 02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:45,000 very congratulatory, and hey, I don't write it. 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