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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my day every single week. I

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put my freaking heart and soul into
this. I don't go out there and

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laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's
funny to me. I don't want to

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go out there and get embarrassed on
Monday night football For everybody, I think

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this is the beginning of a beautiful
friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from

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yesterday. Still the same person I
was yesterday, and I got the same

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thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. You

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play to win the game. You
don't play to just play it. That's

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a great thing about sports. You
play to win. I don't care if

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you don't have any wins. Do
you go play to win? When you

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start telling me it doesn't matter,
favorite time, get out for the matter.

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Hey, hope you had a good
fourth of July. Hope you and

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your family had a chance to spend
some time together. Wherever it was.

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You may have been. As long
as a safe one and as long as

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everyone was together. That's a good
deal, at least in my book.

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Anyway. Welcome to another week of
exes. And Bros. Welcome on a

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Monday across the great state of Michigan. My name is Matt Shepherd and Trent

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Beally is our producer. Today,
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As well. You know, you
got to give credit where credit is due.

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So many times, especially over the
last month, when it has been

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a challenge to talk Tigers baseball,
we have spoken honestly about it. We

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have been unimpressed with what they've been
able to do or what they were headed

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toward. Well, give them credit
for finishing off a weekend series sweep of

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the Reds in Cincinnati. And I
said before this series, I said,

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look, Cincinnati's coming off a series
sweep of the Yankees. I know the

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Yankees have been struggling, but let's
see how Detroit responds. And you know

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what they did. Derek Scougel strikes
out of career best thirteen in seven score

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of sinnings, scatters three hits,
gives up a walk, that's it.

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First three games sweep since late May
against Kansas City, first three game winning

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streak since early June. Zach McKinstry
two for four of the homer three RBIs

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Cole Keith had a couple of hips. Gee Vershella collected three hits Detroit in

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every game in the series. Now, I am not going to try and

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tell you that home runs are the
difference, but they're really important. I

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have said this since the beginning of
the baseball season. I have said,

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you've got to have guys in the
middle of the lineup with some thump.

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Do you know what Detroit's record is
when they homer. They are thirty four

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and eighteen. That's an important statistic. Now, you can break down numbers

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in baseball in a lot of different
directions. I understand that, but homering

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having that threat, the ability to
do that on a regular basis, yes,

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any guy can get into one.
I get it. Okay, these

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guys are ultimateor league level with the
ability to homer. Right, It's not

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Ozzie Smith in the lineup in one
through nine. I'm just telling you that

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has been an important statistic for Detroit
over the last few years. Now,

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at forty two up, forty eight
down. What kind of tone are they

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going to set for a four game
series against Cleveland starting tonight at home?

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Cleveland is whether you believe it or
not yet, I don't know what it

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takes to convince us, and I'll
throw myself in there. There's still a

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wandering eye for me. And when
I look at scores and when I look

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at standings, am I truly believing
what I'm seeing? Cleveland is fifty six

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and thirty two on the year,
We have twenty six roadkills so far.

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Impressive. The fifty six wins second
most in the American League. Only Baltimore

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has more, and only Baltimore in
Philadelphia have more wins overall. You think

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the Dodgers are solid, so do
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You like what Milwaukee's been doing,
so do I. They've got fifty three

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wins. Eric has hit a home
run yesterday for them, So that's that's

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your deal right there. There's your
breakdown of the American League and the Major

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leagues overall. So second most in
the American League, tied for second most

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in the Majors. On top of
that, good news, more good news.

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Trek Schoubel and Riley Green are All
Stars. I'm not suggesting that that

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one moment makes a massive difference in
the opinion of Tigers fans, but there

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are many Tigers fans out there who
have either texted this show sports Radio to

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twenty one thousand, called this show
on the Meyer Hotline, or tweeted at

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us and said, forget Riley Green. You've been disappointed with Riley Green.

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And that's pretty interesting since now he
becomes the first All Star outfielder for the

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Tigers since Justin Upton in twenty seventeen, first time that the Tigers have put

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two in the All Star Game since
that same year Fulmer and Upton, although

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Cabrera, Well, Cabrera and Gregorysoto
went in twenty twenty two together, but

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Cabrera was sent from the commissioner for
his career achievement. Remember it was him

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and it was pool Holes. Cabrera
from the American League, pool Holes from

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the National League. But I'm pretty
happy for Riley Green and I'm happy for

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the Tigers. Now. It just
doesn't it doesn't solve all the issues.

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It doesn't even come close to solving
the issues. But I love the fact

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that the Tigers have a twenty three
year old hoping we hope is a rising

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star. I'm not going to go
so far as to say it's a superstar.

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That's the free press route is a
rising superstar. No, no,

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okay, Otani's a superstar, Harper's
a superstar, Freeman's a superstar. Riley

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Green is not a rising superstar.
He's a rising star, all right.

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There is a difference. But I
think when you're looking at the ninety fourth

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Annual Midsummer Classic and you've got two
Tigers, especially from a team that is

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that far below five hundred, a
team that is fifteen game back in the

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division, a team that is looking
up in the wild card right now,

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if you looked at it seven and
a half games out, to have two

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guys and two young guys, two
establishing young stars. Pretty happy about it,

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and the organization should be proud.
You and I can debate all we

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want on whether or not Riley Green
deserves to be there. We know Schooble

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does. There's no doubt about that. Green hitting what to sixty seventeen bombs,

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twelve and a half percent walk rate, and by the way, a

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plus seven defensive runs saved in left
field. I don't know what he is

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in centerfield, but in left field, would you take that? You should

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take it. It's good stuff.
It really is happy for him. Davis

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Thompson cards a seven hundred sixty four
Sunday. He finishes with a record setting

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twenty eight underscar score to win the
John Deer Classic, first PGA Tour win

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for him. He becomes a twenty
fourth first time winner there. So the

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Georgia Bulldog arres an automatic invite to
the British Open. Do you call it

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the British Open or do you call
it the Open? Or is it either?

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I call it the British Open.
Well neither works, though I know

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what you're talking about. If you
just say the Open, of course,

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yeah that's what it seems like.
That is now the way to refer to

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it. But the other way,
like you and I do, British Open

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is acceptable, all right? Stay
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and Monday morning. There is a
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the weekend. I wonder where it
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We'll get to that when we return on

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Welcome back on a fun unil Monday
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seven FM. Let me ask you this,

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Trent, do you watch wrestling or
have you ever watched wrestling? Never

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been my cup of tea nor mine. Maybe that's why we get along,

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but we do know this John Cena, You know whoever you know? John

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Cena is of course okay, he's
retiring next year, twenty twenty five,

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will be his last. Now he's
got an acting career to fall back on.

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He does an awful lot of endorsements, I believe. But this is

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a guy who, for what it's
worth, is a sixteen time WWE champion.

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He announced over the weekend at a
World Wrestling Entertainment venue in Toronto that

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next year will be his last.
I don't know the history of John Sana.

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I don't really know the history of
the WWE. There are some people

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I know, even in sports,
in our business, who follow it religiously.

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They draw a ton of people.
How I don't know. My question

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is what is the draw? What
is it that is so appealing about professional

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wrestling? Because I've tried to figure
this out for decades and I get that.

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You know, there's different things that
make the world go round. I

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don't expect everyone to love hockey.
I don't expect everyone to gravitate toward football,

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embrace baseball, or jump up and
down with basketball enjoyment. I just

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wonder what it is about wrestling.
There are certain sports for me anyway.

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There are certain sports where I've started
to appreciate a little bit more, tennis

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being one of them. There are
certain sports I never played but absolutely love.

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Lacrosse is one of them, and
I would encourage anyone to give it

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a chance watch it. I've said
it about lacrosse for a long time.

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It has everything you could possibly want
for American sports fans. We love speed,

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it's got it. We love physicality
it's there. We love scoring.

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There's plenty of it, much more
than you find in soccer. So I've

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always found it rather interesting that more
people don't embrace the sport of lacrosse.

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But whatever, you know, no
judgment tennis. When I watch a lot

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of the women's and men's tennis events, I'm like, wow, I mean

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they're athleticism, how they're conditioning blows
me away. You know, you're looking

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at guys. You got to win. At least in the majors, you

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got to win the best three out
of five. You got guys lasting.

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I mean, it's four hour matches. And I get that. You've seen

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you know, football and baseball and
well not basketball in the old days,

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overtime hockey games going three hours,
but you're getting rests every once in a

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while. Tennis very little rest,
changeovers. But you've got to be in

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great shape to be able to play
that sport. So I've grown to appreciate

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that. I've always enjoyed golf of
two. So basically, you know,

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we're looking at the major sports and
so on and so forth. The wrestling

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one, I'm not talking about the
Dan Gable IOWA led team to national championships

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wrestling. I'm talking about in the
ring with chairs being broken over, people's

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backs being thrown through, the stuff
like that. Those are the things that

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I scratch my head at a little
bit. Boxing unbelievable. UFC, not

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that I follow UFC. There are
a lot of different sports that command our

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time, our attention, and when
I say time, I mean you know

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you and I following it. So
time, attention and entertainment dollar right.

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People have to make up their mind
when I go to Toronto, Am I

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going to go watch this WWE event? When they come to Ford Field?

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Am I going to go and watch? I don't know how much tickets are.

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I'm trying to figure out what the
attraction is. Knowing that I'm not

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gonna call it fake. That's that
we used to do that. We used

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to offend them and say this was
all fake. It really doesn't happen.

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This guy's not punching the other guy. We know that it's scripted for the

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most part, right, But I
got to thinking one day when Tim Donahey

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got in trouble with the NBA and
gambling, how do we know other sports?

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I mean, we did find that
out right, How do we know

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others aren't scripted quite as much we
think. I look at WWE like this.

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I look at it as if it's
a reality TV show like we think

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or people think that something happens in
a reality TV show. Oh, they're

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just they're picking up they're living their
everyday lives and they're filming it. No,

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it's scripted. They've got writers and
they're making sure certain things are done.

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They've got producers that are prying at
the stars, the so called stars

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and everything, and their whole goal, CHEP, is to keep people's eyeballs

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glued to the TV. And that's
what WWE leans heavily on to its credit

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storylines exactly right, the characters,
you know, yeah, the rivalries between

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these characters. Are you an Undertaker
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right, people, and people are
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and they're buying shirts, and they're
buying all kinds of memorabilia. Right,

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they're kind of hats, you name
it. And then certain moves have

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been made famous in other sports,
the John Cena where he takes his hand

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that kind of stuff. I've never
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it. But yet, on the
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than watching a television show that you
can't get behind? You know what I

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mean? There are times where Trent, You've gone to a movie and you're

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like, that movie sucked. Oh
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It's one of my favorite movies. I

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How in the world did you walk
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it, couldn't finish, couldn't finish
the office right that that movie, couldn't

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finish Fargo, and people like,
are you are you kidding? To each

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it worked for me. That's what
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the world do you go? Do
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How good terrek'schooble has been this year?

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Right, The twenty seven year old
is ten and three with a two point

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three seventy RA and a whip which
is walks hits per innings pitched of under

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one really impressive one hundred and thirty
two strikeouts. I mean, this is

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this is dominating stuff right now,
what we're witnessing. I'm not saying it's

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the best I've ever seen. It's
not the best in a Tiger's uniform,

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but it gives you a reason to
watch. In a season in which the

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Tigers have struggled mightily and not been
playing to standard. Your standard nor mine,

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he has given you a reason to
watch. And I think something that's

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also slightly underrated when it comes to
Tarrek Scuble is durability. I don't think

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we've we've heard enough of that.
I mean, he's taken the ball every

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single day, and there's something to
be said for that too, right,

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I mean you and I believe that
availability is a really important. Part of

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availability is just really important for any
team to go out there and be able

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to compete. It's you got to
have your key guys available. And Trek

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Skouoble knock on Wood has been out
there. So he leads all of baseball

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slightly above Chris Sale. Not enough
has been talked about it with the year

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Chris Sales having. But and he's
healthy. You know, when you're healthy

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and available, look at how much
more valuable you are to your team.

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So he leads all of starting pitchers
in whip. He's among them best in

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strikeouts, it's top five there.
Think of the ratio for a minute.

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Trek Schouble has one hundred and thirty
two strikeouts. You know how many walks

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he's got, Trent, guess how
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something earth shattering for one hundred and
ten inn So one hundred and ten innings,

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okay, twenty walks, unbelievable,
that's amazing to me. We get

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caught up in strikeouts and I just
gave him to you, and we get

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caught up in e a and whip
and things of that nature, and it's

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all fair. But he has allowed
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And I mentioned durability, availability,
all that other stuff. Right,

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There are others who've thrown more innings. But remember he gets yangs pretty quick.

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Like Seth Lugo is a Hall An
All Star for Kansas City. First

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time. He's got one hundred and
twenty two innings. That leads all of

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baseball. Schoobl's gone that far behind. So anytime we watch or we see

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him about to start, it's it's
worth our attention. It's absolutely worth the

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price of admission and a willingness to
stop what you're doing and watch him pitch.

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Already ten wins, by the way
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The two point three seventy ra a
career high for him. He's got eighteen

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starts now, he had more than
twenty twenty one, but last year he

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only had fifteen, So he's got
more than all his starts a year ago.

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He's going on this pace his career
high in innings pitch. He's never

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thrown more than one hundred and forty
nine. I'll give him one hundred and

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fifty's one hundred and forty nine and
a third never thrown more than one hundred

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and fifty innings. He's going to
pass that. He's going to set career

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highs in every single category. And
here's what comes up, because not many

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people believe the Tigers are going anywhere, here's what comes up. The trading.

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It is constant, seemingly after every
start Trek Schooble makes, and usually

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it ends in a really impressive outing, one that makes you and I thankful

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that he's in a Tigers uniform,
one that you and I probably collectively go,

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how in the world did that dude
last nine rounds? How is he

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taken in the ninth round in the
twenty eighteen Major League Baseball Draft? That

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point, shep. I don't know
if other followers of the Tigers, such

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as myself, have thought of it
this way, but I've always kind of

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had Casey Mize, Trek Scouoble,
and Matt Manning in the same I mean,

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that's when they kind of came up
together. Those are the three guys

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you were looking at, and for
him to be especially durable when you stack

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him up next to those two guys, Yeah, added, what the success

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he's had and he was the lowest
drafted of all three guys, right correct,

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yep, Mis was one one.
Manning was first round I think ninth

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overall. Schooble ninth round out of
Seattle University. Originally he was an Arizona

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draft pick twenty ninth round in twenty
seventeen, but stayed in school and rightfully

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so, it's just amazing to me. It's a great story about being undersold

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and over delivering and he'll be he'll
have more money, they'll know what to

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do with couple of years. And
rightfully so, if he keeps this up

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at the going rate, this is
you know, look at what people are

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making, at what he does.
He has a dominating performance waiting to happen.

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But this is what happens every single
time this guy goes out there on

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the bump. The immediate thought is
if this team's not going to win,

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if this team's not going to compete
for a postseason birth because you've been burned

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by things and these types of circumstances
in the past. Michael Fulmer, justin

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Verlander, people feel the need to
get the rebuild to the next level.

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They want to strike when the iron's
hot, right, right, How do

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you do that? You do that
with valuable pieces, getting multiple valuable pieces

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back. I'm not saying you should
trade him. I'm just telling you that's

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how it's usually done. So immediately
people start talking about how they are in

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awe of what Trek Schooble has done
again and give us their two cents whether

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we want it or not, about
trading Trek's scouble. Somebody recently, during

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this whole conversation, said, if
you can get best pitching prospect, good

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defensive catcher, and somebody else who's
going to contribute to this team, why

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wouldn't you do it? In so
many words, Okay, if you can

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get some high prospects for this guy, why wouldn't you do it? So

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my immediate thought is this, when
Justin Verlander was traded to the Houston Astros.

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You remember it, I'm sure as
well as I do. Back in

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twenty seventeen, was that's the trade
deadline, and you felt like if you

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were going to get rid of him, he had another year left on his

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deal. If you were going to
get rid of him, you had to

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get something back in return, I
mean high or high prospects. Detroit goes

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with Houston as a trade partner.
Do you know what you won't? We

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all know what they got right,
Franklin Perez, Daz Cameron, and Jake

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Rogers. Do you know where they
ranked on Houston's prospect list? Do we

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remember that it was only eight years
ago, but we have a tendency to

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forget. Franklin Perez was their number
three prospect, Daz Cameron was their number

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nine, and Jake Rogers was their
number eleven. You got three of Houston's

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top eleven prospects three, nine,
and eleven at the time. This is

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what was written about Franklin Perez.
Okay, Franklin Perez was nineteen years old

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when the Tigers acquired him for Justin
Verlander. Cbssports or MLB dot Com actually

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wrote, Perez is one of the
fastest rising pitching prospects in all of baseball.

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He has a three zero eight ERA
with seventy eight strikeouts and eighty six

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innings split between Single A and Double
A. Just a teenager, he is

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already demonstrated a feel for four offerings. His most consistent pitch right now is

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a fastball, which is clocked between
ninety two and ninety four and peaks at

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ninety six. He could add velocity
once he physically matures his downer curveball projects

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as a future plus pitch fading changeup
shows similar upside, and his slider is

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developing nicely. He has the upside
of a number three starter and is on

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pace to reach Houston before he turns
twenty two, so they figured he was

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going to be a major leaguer within
three years. Now, Daz Cameron,

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they liked two because he was hitting
two seventy one with fourteen bombs and thirty

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two stolen bases at Single A.
What they said about Rogers, a defensive

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catcher hitting two sixty three at two
different single A levels, make no mistake

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the Tigers. This is their words. Now, the Tigers added three high

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end prospects in this trade. Their
words. This is why you don't trade

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for prospects, or if you do, you have to mix in established major

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leaguers. But you also have to
have good player development, and the Tigers

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as an organization don't have a great
track record there. So I'm with you

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that the idea of trading for prospects
isn't as sexy because you don't there's no

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guarantee that your development system is going
to be able to take them anywhere.

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Agreed. The only thing I would
say to that, and it's not it's

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not that I disagree with you,
because I do agree with you, Franklin

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Perez. I mean, who projects
the injuries? Right? That's that's a

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tough thing to try and predict.
Listen to this. Daz Cameron left Detroit

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in two thousand and twenty two,
Right, the Tigers had had enough.

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Okay, we gave it a shot. How much of a shot was it?

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Seventy three games? But the minor
leagues weren't. You know, his

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performance at the minor league level wasn't
wowing you there either. So what does

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he do Baltimore and now Oakland?
So if it's do let's put it this

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way. Do you believe Baltimore has
a pretty good track record of player development

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better than Detroit? Well, I
mean look at their young players. Yeah,

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I mean I think that's an Excuse
me, that's a definitive. Yes.

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I don't know how you can say, at least right now, maybe

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not not ten years ago, but
at least right now, you would say

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Baltimore's player development is pretty damn good, no doubt, especially because they're a

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smaller market. So I mean they're
forced to have to develop players. Yeah,

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yeah, absolutely, like Adlei Rushman
drafted and developed, Gunner Henderson drafted

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and developed, Jorge Matteo developed,
Mountcastle, Westburg, Kawser, Hayes,

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Juristad Mullins, Santander, all these
guys drafted and or developed. That's a

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long list. So I think my
point's a fair one. They are known,

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at least over the last few years, as an organization that drafts and

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developed, or when they get a
certain player, develops them. So Daz

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Cameron leaves Detroit, goes to Baltimore, he plays one hundred and ten games

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and their Triple A affiliate in Norfolk. He has a decent season sixteen bombs

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hit, two sixty eight. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that, right.

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I mean, for a guy at
a Triple A level with twenty three

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stolen twenty three stolen bags, would
you take that? Absolutely you would.

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They didn't find it enough in him
to feel like he was worth holding on

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to. Doesn't that tell you something? They are They're they're noticing something,

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so they're decisions. I'm gonna trust
a lot of their decisions. Overall,

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I think it's been pretty good.
I mean, they found a guy in

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Jorge Mateo, who was from San
Diego. They didn't draft him, but

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they developed them because in San Diego
he wasn't doing a whole lot. He

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is in barely two hundred. He
goes to Baltimore, he takes off to

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eighty twenty twenty two, leads the
league in stolen bases, becomes more reliable

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defensively. Their track record is worth
boasting. So Daz Cameron, you would

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think an organization that recognizes guys from
other organizations that struggle. Mateo is a

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good example, all right, Or
an organization that recognizes young players they viewed

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to be worthy of either of drafting
or bringing in on a minor league dealer

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or whatever, and then developing them
a little bit. Numerous examples of that.

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You've got all that right there in
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well, they didn't feel like it. For Daz Cameron, so Perez,

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who is the number nine prospect coming
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enough. And then you've got Jake
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basis from a guy like Jake Rogers? Nice enough, dude, Okay,

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this is not about being nice.
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And there's not a lot of dual
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that it's tough to come by.
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absolutely love it. You don't have
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Jonah Heim, where are they?
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