1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:15,640 And now Audio Theater Central. Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This 2 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:20,640 is the show that explores family friendly audio drama through news, reviews and interviews. 3 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,679 I'm your host, JD. Setter. This is episode one hundred and 4 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:28,920 ninety seven. This is gonna be a fun one. We've got a review 5 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:32,560 of The Lamb, the mini series from Witnesses coming up, and I'm gonna 6 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,439 be joined by Christopher Green to review those episodes and we're gonna have a great 7 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:43,679 discussion talking about that show. We'll also have a few audio drama updates coming 8 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:47,520 up here shortly. But before we get to that, I just want to 9 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,960 say thank you to everybody who sent in feedback for the monologue segment from the 10 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:59,759 last episode. I get so many comments and I there's just not going to 11 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:06,200 be time to address them all in this episode, so perhaps we'll do an 12 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,159 entire segment about just the feedback. But I heard from Caleb Bresler, an 13 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,319 actor, Glenn Haskell who's also an actor and a writer, Blake, a 14 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:21,959 frequent commenter here at ATC, several of the ADA members, and just a 15 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,959 lot of great feedback on that. So thank you to everybody who who sent 16 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,319 in their comments. Regarding that, I do really appreciate it, and so 17 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,079 we'll see if we can work that into a future episode. But I also 18 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:38,680 wanted to say again that ATC two hundred is coming up very soon, so 19 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:42,519 if you want to send in a voicemail to be featured on that episode, 20 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,000 I would love to include it, so be sure to hit up our contact 21 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,159 page to do that. And lastly, before we move into the next segment, 22 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,560 Easter is this month on the thirty first of March, so just a 23 00:01:56,599 --> 00:02:00,200 quick reminder that we do have a list of some great audio dramas to listen 24 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,680 to around Easter, so that list is linked up in the show notes, 25 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,560 or you can head over to audio Theatercentral dot com slash Easter and see that 26 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,120 full list. Water up this program to bring you a special report and in 27 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:21,120 other news tonight a brief look at the headlines now they want exciting, fast 28 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:24,960 piece news that's relevant and entertaining like this. Well, a quick thank you 29 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,520 to those of you who are using the new news submission form, but if 30 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,080 you aren't, I cannot guarantee that your news will make it in the show, 31 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,439 so please please please send any updates that you have regarding shows that you 32 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:43,719 are involved in to us through that form going forward. You can head over 33 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:46,800 to PFM dot link slash ATC news to go right to it, or click 34 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:54,879 the banner in the sidebar on our website at Audiotheatercentral dot com. A couple 35 00:02:54,879 --> 00:03:00,120 of events coming up if you are interested in getting into audio drama production. 36 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:04,639 First of all is the Lamplighter Guild there The Summer Guild for twenty twenty four 37 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,280 is July fourteenth through the nineteenth at the Lamplader Campus in Mount Morris, New 38 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:16,000 York. And if you are interested in working on audio dramas regarding writing, 39 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,919 acting, sound design, music composition, all of those topics will be covered. 40 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,599 Phil Lawler will be teaching script writing this year. Voice acting will be 41 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,960 taught by Daniel Cross. Sound designed by Alan Hurley. So this is a 42 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:38,759 great opportunity to get a real deep dive into working on high quality audio dramas 43 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:42,919 with an emphasis on these particular disciplines. So link is in the show notes 44 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:46,039 if you want to check out the twenty twenty four Summer Guild from Lamplighter. 45 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,639 Also coming up this year, John Fornoff is launching the Audio Drama Institute and 46 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:02,159 this will be a week long seminar on writing for Audio Drama in person in 47 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:09,280 South Georgia June ninth through the fifteenth. John will be teaching along with Phil 48 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,639 Lawler and Kathy Buchanan. So the three of them are teaming up to really 49 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:21,720 pour their expertise and their energy into this next generation of creatives, and John 50 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:27,040 said they're wanting to give them the tools to change the world. So if 51 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,920 you are interested in audio drama script writing in particular, this is another opportunity 52 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:39,560 to learn from the masters in this field. These three writers are all fantastic. 53 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:44,120 They have written some of the highest quality audio drama in this industry over 54 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,920 the years, so they're going to be great people to learn from. That's 55 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:51,360 about all of the information we have right now. There will be more specifics 56 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:57,399 coming, including a full website with more details regarding what would be involved, 57 00:04:57,439 --> 00:05:00,079 the cost and everything like that. That's coming soon. But I wanted to 58 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:03,240 get this out to you so you could at least start making plans if that 59 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,639 sounds like something you're interested in. Again, that is in June of this 60 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:14,800 year. Now. A few items that are already out that you can check 61 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,439 out now. First, is not an audio drama, but it is a 62 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:24,800 podcast. It is called Your Fellow Odysseans, and this is a podcast hosted 63 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,759 by Daniel Roth, who is a long time Adventures an Odyssey fan who I 64 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,720 met at Sonic Khon last year, and this is a show where he just 65 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:39,680 talks with other Odyssey fans and they share how the show has impacted their life. 66 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:44,360 Well. Yours truly was a guest on the latest episode, which released 67 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:47,639 on March first, So link is in the show notes to check that podcast 68 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:53,360 out and particularly that episode if you'd like to give that a listen. If 69 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,560 you just can't get enough of hearing me talk about audio drama, No, 70 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,319 but it was a really fun conversation. We talked for about an hour and 71 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:08,959 really enjoyed talking about Adventures of Odyssey specifically and how that show has had such 72 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:15,480 an influence on my life. And obviously this show here because ATC would not 73 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:24,680 exist without Adventures not Also in January, the Audio Drama Alliance participated in a 74 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:30,120 challenge where the members were challenged to produce a short audio production. It didn't 75 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,920 have to be specifically audio drama, but a short audio production that could not 76 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:41,920 exceed five minutes, and it had to be around a theme of Lost and 77 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:47,800 Found, so several of the members participated in this and produced some really cool 78 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,079 stuff. There's a link in the show notes to check out a roundup of 79 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:56,199 all of the ones that the members were ready to release to the public. 80 00:06:56,759 --> 00:06:59,720 So I think there's six or seven pieces there that you can check out there, 81 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,680 all under five minutes. Some really cool, creative stuff came out of 82 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,240 that, and I think you're going to want to check them out. It's 83 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:10,720 going to be a lot of fun, and I do believe this is probably 84 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,600 going to be the first of many of these, so you'll have some more 85 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:18,519 stuff to look forward to in the future in this short form audio range. 86 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:25,000 So it's going to be fun. Also out now is the latest edition of 87 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:30,040 the Dragnet Show from First Acts Productions. It's called Directionally Challenged or Disobedient. 88 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,240 It is exclusive on Dramafi and it is a retelling of the story of Jonah 89 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:45,120 through a lot of humor. It's very fun and the summary is Detectives Job 90 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,000 Thursday and Frank Honest are on the trail of a lost person's report. He 91 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:54,279 may be less lost and less kind than they imagined. It's a high seas 92 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:58,680 adventure that lands a full net of Mercy and Grace. So again you can 93 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:05,680 listen to that right now on Dramafi. Also out now, The Saints podcast 94 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:09,480 from the Mary Bakers is back to releasing episodes after taking a break for most 95 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:13,720 of the month of December and all of January, so they picked up releasing 96 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:20,879 new episodes again in February. So they're back to releasing series where they take 97 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,680 an entire week and release an episode each day in a series about a particular 98 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,600 saint. So that is also linked in the show notes. This next one 99 00:08:31,679 --> 00:08:35,519 is not a full audio drama that is out, but it is the promo 100 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:41,759 for the new show from First Acts Productions called Range Drifters, so that is 101 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:43,759 linked in the show notes. A couple of minutes long there that you can 102 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,440 check out, and if you would like to hear me reacting to this teaser 103 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:54,080 audio, join the ATC backstage membership and you'll hear that episode there where I 104 00:08:54,120 --> 00:09:00,159 reacted to that, along with a couple of other teasers that have been released 105 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:05,799 recently. Audio Imagination seventy seven Productions announced that their next show is going to 106 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,279 be called The Caller. Producer Matthew P. Warner said he has just completed 107 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:18,080 the script and is likely going to begin recording this month in March, and 108 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,240 the cast is to be announced yet, but this is going to be a 109 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,799 short audio drama based on the urban legend of The Babysitter and the Man Upstairs, 110 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,720 and it is slated to be released Fall of twenty twenty four. And 111 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:35,960 an update on the Jake Muller Adventures. The team was at Gap Digital in 112 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,919 the Chicago area at the end of February and into early March to record the 113 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:48,720 next two Jake Muller Adventure shows called Blood and Undead. Dugan Scherbondi and Sky 114 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,679 Ziskin are going to be reprising the roles of the main characters, Jake and 115 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:56,679 Ariana. We don't know much else about the cast, except for the fact 116 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,639 that John Fornoff and Jonathan Cook will be making appearances in either one or both 117 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:07,440 of these new shows. And I do believe these recording sessions are being engineered 118 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,799 by Todd Busteed. So great news there. I'm so glad this show is 119 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:18,519 back in production. Really really looking forward to hearing these few more items that 120 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,360 are still yet to come. Glenn Haskell when we mentioned him a moment ago 121 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:26,000 First Acts Productions, He's got a new micro audio drama series called Wednesday's Weather. 122 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:31,159 This is a six episode series and each episode is going to be less 123 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,840 than seven minutes, and it is going to feature Rose Beasley, Christopher Green, 124 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,679 and Bethany Baldwin and the first episode is going to hit Drama Fi in 125 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,320 early March. This is another one of the shows that I reacted to some 126 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,320 teaser audio four in ATC backstage, so if you want to hear that again, 127 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,919 joined that membership. Now we've talked about this before, but there was 128 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,440 another comment on the Pause and Tails social accounts where they responded to a fan 129 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,600 and they mentioned something about five new episodes. Now we only knew about four, 130 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,480 so I don't know if this is a typo or if there really are 131 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:15,320 five brand new episodes coming. But in any case, the first one is 132 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,759 going to drop on March thirtieth, and the rest will follow each week after 133 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:22,879 that. So those brand new Pause and Tales episodes are coming soon. I 134 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:28,120 know many of you have been really really looking forward to those, as have 135 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,840 I. So these are coming this month, or at least the first one 136 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:37,480 is coming this month. Also coming soon. This is interesting. Eternal Future 137 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:45,120 Productions, the producers of Pirateeers are teaming up with LRT Media to write a 138 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:50,240 novelization of the Pirateeers audio drama, and so the first one is going to 139 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:54,559 be based on season one and I believe that will be coming sometime this year, 140 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,799 not sure yet, there's not a whole lot of details about this yet, 141 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:05,279 but each book in this series will be based on a season of the 142 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,720 audio drama, and they said the books will provide a deeper look into the 143 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:13,480 characters, providing some details that are not mentioned in the audio drama but will 144 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:18,200 still align with it. So that's something to look forward to coming soon. 145 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,080 And also there will be a new episode of the audio drama Pirteers which will 146 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:31,399 be released Monday, March eleventh. And lastly, just two quick items here. 147 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:35,840 An upcoming production from Lamplighter Theater is going to be Tip Lewis and His 148 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:39,720 Lamp. That will be the next book that they're going to be recording. 149 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,159 That will be very soon. They've been holding auditions recently in recent weeks, 150 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:50,639 so I'm assuming that will be recorded here very very soon. So that's coming 151 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,080 up. And then also Drama Phi has announced that they are working on a 152 00:12:54,120 --> 00:13:01,000 new original adaptation of the Jane Austen novel Pride and Prejudice, so that is 153 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:05,679 also going to be coming very soon as well. So as always lots happening 154 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:11,080 in the audio drama space. I remember her from that radio program what was 155 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,000 it? A Western musical melodrama? You helped out with the kids radio program 156 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,039 and you were great, another important tool of acting, the art of becoming. 157 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,679 Shouldn't we applo or do or something for what? Well? I am 158 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,960 excited to talk about this program. You've heard us mention this, you know, 159 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:37,759 numerous times over the years, and I think the well in the updates 160 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:41,360 section just in the last episode, if I remember correctly, but also in 161 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:48,480 our conversation at Sonocon with Daniel Cross and Andy Harvey they mentioned Witnesses and so 162 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,399 you're not a stranger to this show. But this is the first time on 163 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,080 the ATC podcast where we're going to actually do a full review. We've done 164 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,399 reviews on the blog in the past, but this is the first time they 165 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:07,080 have released an extended series, a mini series or whatever you want to call 166 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:13,519 it. And so this is the eight part mini series from Witnesses called The 167 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:18,840 Lamb. And to help me review these episodes, Christopher Green is joining the 168 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,679 show. Christopher, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thanks 169 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:24,519 for having me. I am excited to talk about this with you because I 170 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:31,320 know in our private conversations we've referenced this show numerous times and it comes up 171 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,559 in conversation a lot because we're both fans of what the creator of the show, 172 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:39,679 Tracy Vandhlter, is doing here. So I figured you were the perfect 173 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,240 person to come on and talk about this one with me. Well, I 174 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,440 love talking about witnesses. Being a witness for witnesses, now that doesn't work, 175 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,799 but I love talking about witnesses, so I'm happy to talk about it 176 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:54,320 here. Well, and it's going to get even more meta than that because 177 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,399 one of the episode titles here is the witness, So I mean you're going 178 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,360 to be a witness of the Witnes from Witnesses, and you as the audience, 179 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:09,720 get to witness us witness the witnesses exactly, of witness exactly exactly. 180 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,639 So this is going to be fun. And it was released as two parts. 181 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:20,799 We had Part one four episodes and Part two also four episodes. Part 182 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,639 one was released in twenty twenty two and Part two in twenty twenty three. 183 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:30,080 And the reason why we haven't really addressed it before now is because we were 184 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,679 waiting for the entire run to be completed. Now the eight episodes total just 185 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,399 shy of two and a half hours, So two hours and twenty one minutes 186 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,440 here, and I'm ready to dive into this. So Christopher, would you 187 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,159 I didn't I didn't prep you beforehand, but you've listened to the show enough 188 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:50,799 you might know this already. But would you like to do the honors and 189 00:15:50,799 --> 00:16:10,679 give us the summary for this show? Certainly drive nails laughing where you stand, 190 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:23,039 So go ahead, say, isn't he They will come? He will 191 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:56,559 see. Also, there's no time they've taken him. We were in the 192 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:03,159 garden they arrested him. From shocking beginning to painful end, experience the arrest, 193 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:06,319 trial, and death of Jesus Christ through the eyes of those who were 194 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:10,640 there for each major event, from the disciples in the garden of Gsemine to 195 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:14,400 Simon of Syreene on the road to Golgotha, to Mary Magdalene at the empty 196 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,000 tomb. The lamb takes an unflinching look at the story you thought you knew, 197 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:22,920 told by the witnesses in their own words. So this is written directed, 198 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:29,319 produced, sound design by Tracy Van Dolder, and my goodness, she 199 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,680 does an amazing job. And you here are experienced as a writer, director 200 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,960 of producer. You've been doing that for years with your show Shadows and Daylight, 201 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,839 which I unfortunately forgot to mention at the top when I introduced you. 202 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:47,039 But longtime listeners already know that about you. But Shadows and Daylight is a 203 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:48,839 show that you've been running, So you know what she's going through here, 204 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:53,920 trying to crank out a show on a consistent basis and doing pretty much everything 205 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:59,079 yourself. Yeah, that takes a lot, and I think she does a 206 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:03,160 fantastic job at it. I think, you know, listening through this time 207 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,759 around, too, always really struck. I mean, I'm struck by everything 208 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:10,839 that Tracy is doing, and here she does a fantastic job. But I 209 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:14,720 think especially I was struck by the sound design this time around that I thought 210 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:18,839 was just very fantastic, very immersive. And I think with a show that 211 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:26,079 has the particular format that Witnesses does, it could be easy to go very 212 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:32,799 light on the sound design because there are sort of extended monologue sections, I 213 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:37,680 suppose you might say, so it would be easy to sort of lean heavily 214 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:41,839 on that and be sparse in the sound design. But I don't think that 215 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,559 Tracy cuts any corners. I think she did a fantastic job on that. 216 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:49,160 Yeah, yeah, I would agree, And I also should say here at 217 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,680 the outset, just as a full disclosure here, both Christopher and I have 218 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:59,240 been involved in past episodes of this show, though we were not involved in 219 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:03,000 any of these episodes, but we'd be happy to be an additional ones, 220 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:08,640 Tracy, if you're listening, just saying, yeah, Well, before we 221 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:14,319 jump into the details here, now, this is uh, this is a 222 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,680 very familiar story if you know the Bible at all. There there's not there's 223 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,279 not going to be any spoilers here, So we are going to talk, 224 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:25,400 you know, in depth about the scenes and things that we're not gonna worry 225 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:32,119 about spoilers because there's nothing really new in these in terms of story. There 226 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,440 is in terms of presentation, though, and so we will get into the 227 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,400 details and parse that out a little bit more. But before we do, 228 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:42,000 for the people who haven't heard these episodes yet, we're going to give you 229 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:45,519 a little taste here. So let's give a listen to the trailer for the 230 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:52,680 Lamb from witnesses? Is everything all right? There? They're taken the robi. 231 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,599 What are you doing? No? Stop to this? How could you 232 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:03,920 do this? No? Do this? You writ I won't abandon him. 233 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:08,720 You are then, Simon? I panic? We all panect John? Are 234 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:17,599 you the messiah? I am who we have for anyone? Witnesses? So 235 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,319 what you're saying is you are the king of the Jews, but not the 236 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:27,519 one they want you say? So the things they said through him, oh, 237 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,440 would have been silent? What kind of a man doesn't fight back? 238 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:36,319 Huh? I am just trying to keep the carrier's cross or die by his 239 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,960 side. Your choice? All right? Are we I don't know what is 240 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:48,440 happening? They call you fool with just a rumble? Are you sure? 241 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:56,279 John? What happened? John? They've taken and we don't know where it 242 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:04,880 is? Oh? Man, so good? That is such a good trailer. 243 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,200 And you know all I could think when he said, do we have 244 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,519 need of any more witnesses? Tracy, if you're listening, yes, keep 245 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:19,039 making it yes exactly. So we're gonna hit on some of the main cast 246 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:25,000 members real quickly before we start jumping into the episodes, And as per usual, 247 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:27,960 we have Mark Henry Cooney in the role of Jesus, and he has 248 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:33,400 played that role the entire run of the series, even the prior episodes of 249 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,160 the show, not just this mini series, and my goodness, he always 250 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,720 does such a good job. I love his performance. I think what I 251 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:47,960 like about Mark's performance as Jesus, playing that, doing that voice and everything 252 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,200 is the vulnerability, especially as we get into hearing all this and the you 253 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,640 know, the trials that he went through. There's a vulnerability to it. 254 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,160 I don't know how else to put it, but I light that that shines 255 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:06,119 through. Yeah, and I should say, since this episode is coming out 256 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,319 the month of Easter, he also played Jesus in the audio drama Alliances Easter 257 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:18,240 production of The Most Important Passover, and you know, he does an amazing 258 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:21,240 job with that character of Jesus, and so if you haven't heard that, 259 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,279 you definitely want to check that out as well. But this is so interesting. 260 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,920 I love the way that Tracy takes these stories that we're very familiar with, 261 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,440 especially in this case. I mean, this is, you know, 262 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:41,960 part of the cornerstone of Christianity. You know this story, this is the 263 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:45,400 Salvation story, right, And you think you've heard it, you know, 264 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:52,319 and there's nothing new, but there is there are little things that find it 265 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,160 their way in there, and the way Mark plays Jesus. And then we 266 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,640 have, of course the major characters of Pilot and Joseph of Arimathea and Barabbus 267 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:07,920 and the Disciples and Mary Magdalene, and they all just come together in this 268 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:17,279 beautiful cohesive narrative that just pulls you in. Yeah. Absolutely, I think 269 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,759 you know. You and I were talking the other day in fact, about 270 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:26,480 Bible productions and those kinds of things, and how there can be running the 271 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:33,839 risk of just telling the same story and the I mean obviously inspiring important stories, 272 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,640 but there can't run the risk of just telling it the same way for 273 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:44,039 the hundredth time. But yeah, Tracy does take a really fresh take. 274 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:51,000 So and so what's so cool about this one is that typically when you know 275 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:56,559 in Sunday school or when you know and this is not to disregard the importance 276 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,200 of Sunday school or sermons, but typically when these this story is recounted in 277 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,200 those scenarios, they're usually looking at it from the perspective of the disciples, 278 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:14,759 and this comes at it from all these other different characters perspectives that are involved 279 00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:18,640 in it. And so that's what I really really like about this. So 280 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,000 each episode of this mini series is told from the perspective of a different character, 281 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:27,160 and only two of these eight episodes are from a Disciples point of view. 282 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:34,640 So what happens is we go through the story chronologically from judas betrayal all 283 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,519 the way to the resurrection. But like I said, the point of view 284 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:45,160 rotates from different characters with each episode, with the exception of a couple of 285 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,200 points towards the end and the last two episodes, there is a couple of 286 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,720 they're not really flashbacks, but there are scenes that sort of jump back on 287 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:57,079 the timeline for a moment and then it kind of catches back up, but 288 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,400 it's because it's from a different character perspective. But for the most part, 289 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,519 the entire mini series runs in chronological order. So we're going to start off 290 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:12,519 with the first episode, The Servant, which is focused on Malcus and Malcous 291 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:18,480 was played by David Sanborn, and my goodness, he does a fantastic job 292 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,960 as this character. Mm hmm. Absolutely, And I mean, you know, 293 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,759 I don't want to jump ahead necessarily, but another standout for me, 294 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:37,759 and that one was Sean Condy and as Judas man, I felt like empathy 295 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:42,160 for Judas and I didn't know how to feel about that. Yeah, but 296 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,559 yeah, like that just fantastic. So it's it's like you said, it's 297 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:55,119 Malcus's pov in this in this story, but Judas is a big part of 298 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,799 it as well, and yeah, you know, both great. And this 299 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,200 is one of the shorter episodes. So I don't have a whole ton to 300 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,559 say about this because it is really sort of setting up the rest of it, 301 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,839 you know, like I said, it starts with judas betrayal and him 302 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,440 meeting with the with the high priests and you know, setting up i'll I'll 303 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:19,960 lead you to him and all that kind of stuff. But I just really 304 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,559 appreciated how it was such you know, it's a really interesting perspective to hear 305 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,680 about the whole scene at the garden and all of that from this different character. 306 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:37,000 And it makes sense because he has the most dramatic moment really in that 307 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:41,440 scene, in that showdown, so to speak, in the garden. But 308 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,400 you know, he was sort of ambivalent, you know, he was just 309 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,079 following orders. He was sort of ambivalent about Jesus. But then when this 310 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:56,400 thing happens and suddenly you know he's got this major injury. But then moments 311 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,960 later he has zero pain and he's recent stored completely and he's just like, 312 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,799 whoa, Like, what just happened to me? Mm hmmm mm hmmm. 313 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,519 I think there's a there's something to be said to like you said, I 314 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,559 mean, this is this is a shorter one, this is the where we 315 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:18,559 start the this mini series story overall, you know, but there's definitely something 316 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,920 to be said on where you Something I've been thinking about a lot lately too, 317 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,279 in terms of writing, is like where where do you start a story? 318 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,000 Because you've got a story in your head, You've got what part is 319 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,480 going to be backstory? What part is going to be the start of the 320 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,559 story? And you know that kind of thing because you don't there's always a 321 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,079 story that happens before the story and you don't tell it. And so where 322 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,160 do you choose to start a story or a scene or all those kind of 323 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,039 things. Do you want to explain everything ahead of time or you know? 324 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,839 And I like the way that Tracy did this because I feel like she started 325 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,359 at a point in the story that you know, again, you said, 326 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,200 most like you said, most people that are going to listen to this are 327 00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:59,279 going to be familiar with the major beats of the story of Jesus in this 328 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:06,359 crucifixion, and so you could start relatively anywhere and people would understand where we're 329 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,039 at. So choosing the point that she did, I think was really smart 330 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,920 because it's it's kind of an action moment a bit too, you know, 331 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,440 with the ear and all this kind of thing. It's kind of an action 332 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:22,279 moment. You know. She could have started at the Last Supper and then 333 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:29,279 kind of gone to this, but she starting here I think was a wise 334 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,519 move to really get us in the get go kind of like, Okay, 335 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:37,559 this is what's happening. There's a bit of action. Especially in a dialogue 336 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,039 heavy medium and in a format that does have a lot of monologues, it's 337 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,920 nice to start with something that has a bit of action. Yeah. Yeah, 338 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,319 that's a good point, and I'm sure there was intentional on her part. 339 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,200 Yeah, we don't have a last suffer scene. Really. I mean, 340 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,480 it's an interesting choice and I think it works. I think it really 341 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:02,279 works. So because each one is not just focused on a particular character, 342 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:06,480 as you said, there are sort of little monologues from this character's perspective, 343 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,400 speaking really too directly to the listener. And you know, this is something 344 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:18,640 that I think I've become a little oh notorious for in the audio drama circles, 345 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:25,880 is how I have a dislike of narrators. And there's a difference here 346 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:32,559 because these are characters in the story and they're not just you know, this 347 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:37,400 random voice coming at you from the ether. You know, it's not like 348 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,440 that. This is a character in the story, and they do sort of 349 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:47,640 speak directly to the listener to a certain extent, kind of just telling their 350 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,480 perspective here. But I think it really does work, and that's sort of 351 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:56,359 the format that Tracy has started with from the very beginning of the show, 352 00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:02,839 and it I think this is one of the exceptions where I think it really 353 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,160 does work. And I'm not anti narrator, but I think that some people 354 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:12,599 just lean too heavily on that storytelling device, and in this case, I 355 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,359 think it's a strength rather than a crutch to the storytelling. And so I 356 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,440 like that perspective. And then so we move from Malcus, and what's interesting 357 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,119 is, even though we might be moving to a different perspective, those characters 358 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,960 can still show up in other episodes of course. Well they're not just completely 359 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,200 gone, you know, but we're going to be hearing the rest of the 360 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,559 story from somebody else's point of view. And so that brings us to episode 361 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,680 two, which is called The Coward, and this is Simon Peter's perspective, 362 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:48,759 and Simon Peter was played by Nato Jacobson. Now this is interesting because Nato 363 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,799 is sort of known as like showing up in all these shows everywhere and playing 364 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,720 like numerous characters. This time he only plays Simon Peter, and it's all 365 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:04,359 these other actors who were playing five, six, seven different other characters. 366 00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:07,200 So I thought that was kind of funny. Yeah, they had to spread 367 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,559 it around, you know. Yeah. I like what you said though about 368 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,920 the narrator thing too, because you know, I'm very much on the same 369 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,039 page with you. I find a lot of audio dramas lean too heavily on 370 00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:26,000 it, especially the like especially the big sort of like companies that are starting 371 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,079 to jump into it, the ones, you know, the DC Marvel that 372 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,160 are like, you know, I think they invented the format now and they're 373 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,440 coming in and everything is man if I hear one more found footage audio drama, 374 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,640 I'm going to lose it. But yes, oh, I'm so tired 375 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,640 of news reporters and found footage. Not like there's a way to just just 376 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,480 make it happen, Like just don't have to tell us that's happening, just 377 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,640 make it happen. That said, I mean, I think Witnesses and a 378 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,279 bit of Time Travel to audio dramas that I love to tell people out. 379 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,440 They both use a lot of narration, and they both do it really, 380 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,759 really well. And I think what I like in this mini series compared to 381 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:17,319 even Older Witnesses productions is I think this mini book ends with the narration but 382 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:22,079 has a lot more sort of what I for lack of a better phrase, 383 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:28,240 traditional audio drama character interaction in between those bookends compared to some of the Older 384 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:32,319 Witnesses stuff. That's not meant as a negative remark about the Older Witnesses episodes, 385 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,240 but I feel like it's a growth point here that I really like that 386 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:40,200 still retains it the narration in those book ends, not losing the part that 387 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,680 makes it unique and makes it the Witnesses in fact, but it just it 388 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,599 plays it out a bit better, and you know, we can get to 389 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,480 this later because I don't want to jump out of the order, but there's 390 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:58,799 a really interesting I'll just say this, there's a really interesting aspect to the 391 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:07,160 monologue narration in part versus the interactive audio drama part in the last episode that 392 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,440 we can talk about later that I thought I really liked so but anyways, 393 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,119 yeah, yeah, And another note real quickly on this sort of style of 394 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:22,079 telling the story. It sort of reminds me a little bit of what Paul 395 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:29,039 McCusker did with the Air Theater production of A Brother Francis. I believe that's 396 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:34,559 the one where he told the story from the different point of views of different 397 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:39,039 people throughout his life. So it goes in chronological order, just like this 398 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:45,599 story does, but each section is told from a person that Francis knew at 399 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:51,880 a particular era or point in his life, starting you know, with his 400 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:54,440 closer family and all the way up through. So this is sort of like 401 00:33:54,559 --> 00:34:00,799 that. It's each episode continues the story but just picks it up at a 402 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:05,079 different point and you get to hear about the central character, which of course 403 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,599 is Jesus, but from these different characters point of view. And we're kind 404 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:15,519 of just repeating ourselves here A little bit, but it's just a really cool 405 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:20,679 way to tell the story, especially one which we're so familiar with, and 406 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,760 so I really appreciate it. But one thing that I really love also, 407 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:25,679 No, sorry, I was just going to say, and I don't want 408 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,400 to beat a dead horse here, but I think one of the reasons why 409 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:36,199 the witness monologues that you're talking about and that narration works so well here, 410 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,000 Like somebody could be listening to the show right now and being like, oh, 411 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,159 okay, JD and Chris they hate narration, but they like it in 412 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,599 witnesses. So what is it about the witnesses narration that is making it work? 413 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,480 So because we want you to copy for the right reasons, to learn 414 00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,599 from the right reasons. But yeah, obviously these are our opinions. But 415 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,159 what I think makes that so effective is like you're saying, it's the witness 416 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,800 because of that, we see the impact, we feel the impact of Jesus' 417 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,440 actions. So we're not being just told what he did, We're being told 418 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:15,199 how that affected these people in particular, how that changed them from the beginning. 419 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,760 They don't just start out at the same place, how that changed them, 420 00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:22,079 how that affected them. And then we in turn as listeners are hopefully 421 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:28,599 then affected by Jesus and more than we would if we were just sort of 422 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:35,320 observing ourselves, because we have a guide with us helping us to understand how 423 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,159 we might feel about what's happening. If that makes sense. Yeah, absolutely, 424 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,199 Yeah, that's a great point without being so on the nose that it's 425 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,000 just like feel this, you know, yeah, right, yeah, exactly. 426 00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:52,800 It also kind of reminds me of something that I believe it was Back 427 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,599 to the Bible, one of those organizations years and years ago, they did 428 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:01,599 an Easter story where they sort of broke it up and did something similar, 429 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,440 but it was just a narrative. It was a single voice narrative. It 430 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:12,599 was not a full fledged audio drama, so you just hear one character telling 431 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,920 their little chapter of the story, so to speak. This is something different, 432 00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:22,360 and like you said earlier, Tracy's really uped her game again. The 433 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,760 beginnings of Witnesses were still great, but this is a different level. She's 434 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,880 gone to a different level with this mini series and I think it really stands 435 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,119 out. And one of the things that I always have appreciated about her writing 436 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,119 is the realism that she's able to capture from these characters and just make them 437 00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:45,800 feel so genuine and relatable and little things that she works in, just like 438 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:50,159 in this episode. Yeah, we're finally getting around to talking about episode two, 439 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:57,599 The Coward, and there's a moment where I believe it's Thomas gets sick 440 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,679 and you hear that and he's he's just like it makes you even though this 441 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,840 episode is not from his point of view. You know, all the disciples 442 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,880 are there, they're discussing this event. Jesus has just been arrested. They're 443 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,480 they're they're freaking out, they don't know what to do, they're scared, 444 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,559 and he's just so upset that he gets sick and he vomits, and it's 445 00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:22,639 just like, that's real, that's real stuff. The nice thing too, 446 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,480 is, you know, I was thinking about this in contrast to again going 447 00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:35,039 back to the you know, discussions that we've had recently about Bible fiction production 448 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,119 like stories and stuff like that that are out there, and like audiodrama and 449 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,480 other mediums and that kind of thing, there is a real risk of running 450 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:47,519 too far with sort of the creative license and either creating unintended sort of like 451 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:52,199 weird theological side effects and things like that. And then there's the other side 452 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:59,400 of straying so dogmatically close that it's uninteresting beyond like you know, well, 453 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,800 it's like, well this is exactly I could just go read the Bible. 454 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,119 Now, what's the point kind of thing, right, But what I like 455 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:08,000 here is that these these human moments, these human things that you're talking about, 456 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:14,639 they're flourishes, not indulgences. So they add seasoning, they add flavor, 457 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:15,760 a little bit of salt, a little bit of pepper, but they 458 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:22,800 don't become a whole other story in themselves that is just loosely based on it. 459 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,519 It's still the story. The meat is still that, but there's a 460 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:30,039 little bit of seasoning on the meat just to help us. Man, I'm 461 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,199 hungry now, but you get what I'm trying to say. Yeah, one 462 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,400 hundred percent, that is an excellent way to put it. I totally agree. 463 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:42,920 And speaking of that way of the sheet, the really humanizes these people 464 00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:45,920 because these were real people. That's the thing. These were real people. 465 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:52,400 This is this is not a fictional story, and so making them come to 466 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:58,639 life in this way really does help you to understand the story from a different 467 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:01,639 I keep using point to view and perspective and I feel I don't want to 468 00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:06,920 become redundant, but that's really what she's doing, and it makes it come 469 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,960 alive to you, and I really love that. And because we're focused on 470 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,719 Peter here in this episode, one of the ways that happens is you really 471 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,400 feel where he's coming from, Like he's when he denies Jesus and all of 472 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:32,679 these things happen, he feels the deep regret and all of those feelings after 473 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,960 this happens and he realizes what has happened. We don't know one hundred percent 474 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:44,519 from scripture whether he was just caught up in the moment or if he was 475 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:51,880 really intentionally trying to deceive people. Was he really just trying to look out 476 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,639 for his own skin here or was he scared? We don't really know one 477 00:39:54,679 --> 00:40:00,719 hundred percent, and so it could be interpreted a couple of different ways there. 478 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:06,519 But regardless of his motivations for his denying of Jesus in that moment, 479 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:14,760 you know that his regret was real and you feel that in this episode and 480 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,519 in the performance from Nato. Yeah, absolutely, And so he the way 481 00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:24,679 he's characterized here as as just this coward of he was scared, he didn't 482 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,280 know how to respond in that moment when they start questioning him around the fire, 483 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,920 and so he denies that he knew Jesus. But it makes it all 484 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,719 the more poignant that he was the one that preached on the Day of Pentecost 485 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,800 the plan of salvation. And also we know that it was due to this 486 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,880 fact of his denial that Jesus focuses on him when he appears to them after 487 00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:52,400 raising from the dead at the little Fire on the seaside there and he questions 488 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,960 him basically retesting his allegiance. Do you really believe in me? You know, 489 00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:02,840 Peter, And so hearing him in this moment after immediately after the denial, 490 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,719 it really makes those moments later on feel so much more poignant to me. 491 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,400 Anyway, Yeah, I think you said that really well. So then 492 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:20,119 we'll move on to episode three, which is titled The Governor, which is 493 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:24,400 of course about Pilot Ponchous Pilot, who is played by Anti Harvey. You 494 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,039 know, I'm gonna say this probably on all of these episodes, but the 495 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,519 main characters in each one of these, the actors for them were just spot 496 00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:36,440 on. I mean, they really really nailed these these characters so so well. 497 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,960 Absolutely there's no point speaking for myself anyways. Though, wasn't really any 498 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,159 point where I was listening and I had any sense of like, oh, 499 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:50,239 this is not like a big production group that put this out kind of thing. 500 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,039 There was no thought like, oh, this is like, you know, 501 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,239 an indie thing or something like that. But at every moment I was 502 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,960 like, this is hey to use this word, and when we're talking, 503 00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:05,119 came about audio drama. But for lack of a better phrase, cinematic feel 504 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,719 to things. There's got to be a better word for that when we're talking 505 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,039 about audio drama. But it sounded good. I think There's only so many 506 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,199 ways to say that, I guess, but I think that term works. 507 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,599 I mean I've heard it applied to audio drama scores and things like that before, 508 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,039 so yeah, I think it works. We can borrow that term. 509 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,920 We need to find something though that is a very audio drama term and start 510 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,199 doing it when people talk about movies, just so they can see how it 511 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:40,480 feels. Not kidding anyways, We'll work on that sonomatic or alematic. We're 512 00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:46,880 gonna have to. We're gonna have to work on that automatic sauna sonomatic. 513 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,960 You know, pilot has always been an interesting person to me, and you 514 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,400 know, I want to read the story in the Bible. It's just always 515 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,639 been, you know, because he's been portrayed so many different ways in different 516 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:09,039 stories, and he's often shown as this evil guy, and I don't necessarily 517 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:13,480 know if that was really the case. I think he was sort of between 518 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,360 a rock and a hard place here himself, sort of between the higher ups 519 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:23,440 in Rome, trying to quell this uprising in his region that he's supposed to 520 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:30,639 be overseeing, and also trying to honor to a certain extent, or at 521 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:37,679 least recognize the laws and religious customs of the Jews. And so I think 522 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,519 in some respects he was trying to do the best he could, you know, 523 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:45,079 but he was just kind of stuck. And so that's the way he's 524 00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:49,280 always felt to me. And I know I've mentioned this in the past before, 525 00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:54,159 so longtime listeners will probably be tired of me mentioning it anytime an Easter 526 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,760 related story comes up. But I read a book years ago called Pontius Pilot 527 00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:06,679 by Paul Elma, and it is an absolutely fascinating book and it goes really 528 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:12,440 deep into now speaking of biblical fiction, this is biblical fiction goes deep into 529 00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:19,159 Pilot's early life before he ever came to Judea, where he started out as 530 00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,199 a soldier, and all of this stuff. He does rely on as much 531 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:30,320 historical documentation as he could possibly find for the customs of the Roman military and 532 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:36,400 all of that kind of stuff and the political landscape at that time and how 533 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,480 things might have played out. But it is a fascinating book. It's linked 534 00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:43,199 in the show notes if you want to check it out, but I highly 535 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,920 recommend it, and it really has helped me to understand this story a little 536 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,079 bit better. And so just hearing him portrayed in this way here in this 537 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:58,920 episode was really cool to me. And it's cool also that he comments on 538 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,920 the common of the name of Jesus, because a lot of people in our 539 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:09,719 modern day they don't realize a lot of this historical context that I do appreciate. 540 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,519 Another thing about Tracy's writing, how she sort of sprinkles that that in 541 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,960 but that is that is true, and so it's not like that that was 542 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,760 an unknown name and there's this there's one Jesus, you know. That's that's 543 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,400 why he was called Jesus of Nazareth, because they had to differentiate you know, 544 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,840 which Jesus are you talking about? You know, so I liked how 545 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,119 Pilot mentions that, like they mentioned Jesus. He's like, well, which 546 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,920 who are you talking about here? Exactly? I mean, my name, 547 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,400 Chris is a a very very common name. I know so many chris is, 548 00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:51,119 so it would be a bit more like that, like, oh, 549 00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,239 you know, it's Chris. And then it's like Chris, like okay, 550 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:58,360 which Chris? Like It's so like, you know, something I appreciate about 551 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:02,239 Pilot, and a story from Pilot perspective and comes through here, and a 552 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:08,159 lot of it is straight from scripture too. It's just like the you know, 553 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,639 we're going to cash in on a trend here and be talking about how 554 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,599 the Roman Empire has an effect on society or whatever. But you know, 555 00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:24,079 the Rome does have on Western society, had a huge impact on the way 556 00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:28,599 a lot of things are, from the width of our roads to you know, 557 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,719 all these kinds of things. And so a lot of Western thought is 558 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,039 much more similar to the Roman thought of that day than it would have been 559 00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:43,480 to the Jewish thought and the Jewish way of approaching things. And so when 560 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,159 we get these moments of Roman characters, I kind of like sometimes relate to 561 00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:51,480 it a bit more. And I think that, you know, whether I 562 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,079 relate to this aspect or not directly, I think that there's you know, 563 00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:58,800 he asks that famous question, like you know, you know, what's truth 564 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,800 and all this kind of thing, and I think that that's a question that 565 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:06,679 our culture is constantly, whether they realize it or not, all the time 566 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,719 asking they're trying to look for truth, They're trying to look for something genuine, 567 00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,679 even when they're resisting that, even when they're resisting the idea that there 568 00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:20,280 could be a black and white truth. And so I think it's really it's 569 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,400 really great to hear from that perspective. And I think going to what you 570 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,360 said about adding in some of that cultural context that Tracey does, I really 571 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:34,400 like the moment when he talks about the priest's ripped robes and saying that having 572 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,519 those ripped robes was a risk to his office, like to losing his position 573 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,079 or that kind of thing, And I thought, I don't know that i'd 574 00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,280 ever heard that before, to be honest with you, And so that made 575 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:52,159 me realize the seriousness with which the priest was willing to to say, how 576 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,159 you know, you know, to go down this road of wanting to get 577 00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,079 Jesus crucified in everything like that. That was really fat to me, and 578 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,920 the implementation of those things that you're talking about, those little culture things, 579 00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:08,440 because I have seen people. I've seen this in stories, and I've seen 580 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,599 this in preaching and stuff like that too. You know, it's kind of 581 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:15,559 the analogous thing, you know, I don't know, You'll learn a new 582 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:20,280 Greek or Hebrew word and you're super stoked as a preacher or whatever, and 583 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,119 you want to get up there and you want to tell everybody like really ant 584 00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:25,599 wax eloquent about these deep things. Everyone else in the audience is like, 585 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,920 this doesn't mean anything to me. I just want to know how to get 586 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,880 along with my family, who's really annoying, Like, tell me how those 587 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,679 sermon applies to that or something like that. Right, So there's the risk 588 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,320 of doing that in stories too, where you learn all these little cool, 589 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,320 like you know, cultural things and you can go, you know, ad 590 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,880 nauseum about it to the point that like, okay, is this just like 591 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,199 a history lesson about the culture or be getting into the story. But I 592 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:52,920 think she again, she seasons it well where it's a flourish not in an 593 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,840 indulgence here, So I guess I'm I'm indulging myself in saying this again, 594 00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:01,280 I need to flourish it. But anyhow, No, that's absolutely right. 595 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:07,039 And this whole scene here between Caiaphas and Pilot, there's there's sort of this 596 00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:13,960 verbal pushing match, sort of sort of speak going back and forth here as 597 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,280 there's there's sort of arguing over the laws and things like that, and and 598 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,960 there were a couple of really cool lines that I thought Pilot had there, 599 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,519 And at one point he says to Caiaphas, He's like, this feels more 600 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,480 personal than provincial. And I thought that was a great little play on words 601 00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:37,239 there, or just a little alliteration that that Tracy put in there, But 602 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,880 I mean it was it was really true. I mean, he's like, 603 00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:45,960 to your point about him getting so worked up and he's ripping his robes, 604 00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:51,679 that it was much more than just him trying to maintain peace for Caiaphas, 605 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,599 it was getting to a personal level. And he says to him again just 606 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,880 moments after that, he says, Pilot says to him, let's not pretend 607 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,760 that you hate him this much because he spoke against Rome because he's like, 608 00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,400 all right, don't be given me that garbage. I understand where you're coming 609 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,320 from here. You guys all talk about Rome behind my back. You know. 610 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,400 He's like, don't give me that, you know. And so again, 611 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:21,480 just putting these people in a light that really makes them feel so genuine 612 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,039 and I just really like it. And you mentioned his musings about truth and 613 00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:29,519 all of that. Towards the end of the episode, there's an extended period 614 00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,639 where he's just sort of mulling over this whole thing, everything that's happened, 615 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,119 And that was a really cool way to tie up that third episode there. 616 00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:45,559 From pilot's perspective, Well, that brings us to episode four, and that 617 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:52,480 is called The Condemned, and that is from Barabbas' point of view. And 618 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:57,000 Barabas was played by Daniel Cross, who is actually nominated for a Best Leading 619 00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:04,599 Actor for the Seneca Awards, and he really really did it's a simply outstanding 620 00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:08,719 performance. In my book. I loved his portrayal here, and it's an 621 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:14,239 interesting thing. It's sort of a departure from sort of being right there in 622 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:20,320 the action as it's happening to after he's already been set free we find him 623 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,599 in a I don't know what the right term is for that era, but 624 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,159 in our modern vernacular, he's sitting there at the bar, you know, 625 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,119 just down in drinks because he's just like totally trying to figure out, like 626 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:36,400 what just happened here, and then he sort of starts to recount what just 627 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:42,159 happened. And it's just a really interesting way to do it. And going 628 00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,840 back to the point about the name Jesus being a common one. Years and 629 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,519 years ago, I was a Sunday school teacher for kids, young, younger 630 00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:55,679 kids, and my grandmother had given a bunch of Sunday school materials that she 631 00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,960 had accumulated over the years. She was any teacher for many, many years. 632 00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:05,840 And so one day, as I was prepping for a lesson, I 633 00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:08,679 started just kind of flipping through some of the materials that I had acquired from 634 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,599 her, and I found this little booklet of short plays. And at this 635 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,079 time I was probably, oh, I don't know, maybe eighteen years old 636 00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:22,880 or something like that. And at that point, this was the first time 637 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:29,599 that I had heard about Barabbas' first name being Jesus. Now, the Bible 638 00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,840 doesn't tell us this, This is something that's been handed down through tradition, 639 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,760 So I don't know if we can say one hundred percent sure that this is 640 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:45,199 fact, but it is common held tradition in other writings outside of scripture, 641 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:50,840 extra biblical sources that this was the case. And so that plays a big 642 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,360 role here in this episode. And as I read that little play years ago, 643 00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,360 I was blown away at that and the juxtaposition, and I just found 644 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:06,599 it so fascinating, and so when this episode really leans into that, I've 645 00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:12,360 really really enjoyed that, and it's really really cool. Now Josephus of Which 646 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,400 was a writer shortly after the time of the New Testament and has written a 647 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:23,639 whole lot about the context, the cultural context for scripture, and I've enjoyed 648 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:30,000 his writings. He doesn't address Barabus really at all, and so again we 649 00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:34,719 don't really know a ton about him. Some people interpreted that he was a 650 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,880 murderer. There's some ambiguousness about the term that he has described, with Others 651 00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:46,079 just say that he was one of the insiders of this whole uprising against Rome, 652 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:50,199 and so he was a part of this I don't know what the right 653 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,639 term is, but one of these rabble rousers sort of. So you know, 654 00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:59,960 it could be either way, I suppose, but in any case, 655 00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:01,800 he was a convicted criminal. I mean, he did have a past. 656 00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:07,519 So Tracy does a really great job of supposing what his life might have been 657 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:13,360 like and what led him to this point of being imprisoned at the time that 658 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,360 the Bible picks up with his story. And so I just really really enjoyed 659 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,679 this episode a lot. Yeah, I thought it was a fantastic one. 660 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,840 I thought the acting, I mean was incredible. Obviously a lot of other 661 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,079 people thought too with that nomination, but I thought the acting was incredible. 662 00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:37,440 The very ending when he says that the only one he saved was me, 663 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,039 Oh, that line that that just hit me because I was like, you 664 00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,719 know, obviously he's incorrect about that statement, that he wasn't the only one 665 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,920 that he saved, but in a sense, for each one of us, 666 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,480 there comes a recognition that he saved you, like personally, like not that 667 00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,599 that he wasn't there for everyone, but that there's the sort of a personal 668 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,280 realization of his saving of you. And you know, I just felt like 669 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,639 that articulated that idea really well in a quick way. But it also seemed 670 00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:14,880 like there's like almost like a survivor's guilt kind of thing going on for him, 671 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,360 where he's just doesn't know what to do with the fact that he was, 672 00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:22,519 you know, had that substitution, you know, and it's just such 673 00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:28,000 a such a great parallel. And you know, I as fantastic as a 674 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,800 job as Tracy does highlighting this. I mean, credit to the Bible on 675 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,320 that one, on that one for that parallel, for God for arranging that 676 00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:43,599 to show us in a very clear way the way that that substitution for us 677 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,000 kind of thing. But but Tracy has a great way of kind of elevating 678 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,880 that to the surface here with a few efficient lines rather than just pointing it 679 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,960 right out, just a few efficient lines like that. Oh absolutely, And 680 00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:00,079 I had that exact quote in my notes as well well, because I was 681 00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:04,440 definitely going to highlight that if you didn't, because yeah, that line jumped 682 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,800 out at me too, just so so cool. I love that moment and 683 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:15,320 the delivery it was just perfect. And you know, it stands to reason 684 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:22,199 that because we hear about Simon Peter are also called Simon bar Jonah, which 685 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,800 barr means son of And so when you look at the name Barrabbas bar Abbas 686 00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:34,840 and we know Abba means father, so there are a couple of different translations 687 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,760 of barrabbas I was doing a little research earlier. I just find these little 688 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,840 things interesting. And so it stands to reason that there was another name that 689 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,440 he went by, because we don't just go around calling somebody son of so, 690 00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:50,559 and so, you know, we do have another name for them, 691 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:54,360 and so this just makes sense given the context here, that there was another 692 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,480 name, and if that really is true, I mean, that's just just 693 00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:02,119 a perfect thing that And again, this episode was it is probably one of 694 00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:07,400 my favorites for that reason because just the way it fills in all these gaps 695 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,280 that we don't really know about this person, but we do know that he 696 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,159 was there, he was an integral part in the story. And so just 697 00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:22,119 hearing how Tracy pulls all that together and sort of gives us a glimpse into 698 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,280 what his life might have been like. And so I just thought it was 699 00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:31,400 just extremely well done. So really really enjoyed that. Well. That concludes 700 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,039 part one, and that brings us to episode five, called The Chosen, 701 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:43,599 which focuses on Simon of Syreene and he is played by Sean Condy and again 702 00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:49,480 just nailed this role so so good. Sean plays Judas as well. You 703 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:57,280 mentioned Judas earlier, and he just the voices are completely different here. Now 704 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:04,800 he gives Simon a sort of it sounded to me like an African almost approach 705 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,960 to this character a little bit. Did you get that vibe at all? 706 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:13,280 Yeah, there was mention of him being from Africa. I forget who mentioned 707 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,639 I think it's Rufus who mentions it, or somebody mentions it. So definitely 708 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,559 that was the I think what he was going for. And he just did 709 00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:27,960 a fantastic job too. And this is another character that we do hear at 710 00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:30,519 least I have heard other people tell this story from this point of view. 711 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:37,000 I mean, I've heard preachers preach from this perspective. I've heard songs about 712 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:45,280 this story from this perspective. But it's interesting to hear Simon's guilt. It 713 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,440 wasn't anything of his choice. He did not want to be involved in this 714 00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:54,880 execution, but his guilt at being forced to participate was so palpable, and 715 00:58:55,679 --> 00:59:02,239 just the way that it's shown here was so so well done. And also 716 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,119 the sound design here in the moment when we we get a glimpse of the 717 00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:14,119 actual crucifixion of Jesus being nailed to the cross. Some really really great sound 718 00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:20,360 design moments right here I really appreciated absolutely, Yeah, you really felt felt 719 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,559 the weight of that. I think I I I agree with the with the 720 00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:32,679 summary when we said that that it was unflinching in its approach. H Well, 721 00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:37,239 and that brings us to episode six called the Sun. And this is 722 00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:44,559 John who is called the Son of Thunder, and he's played by David Sanborn, 723 00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,480 and uh, we know quite a bit about John from scripture, and 724 00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:53,039 so this is really interesting to kind of fill in the where that name might 725 00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:57,119 have come from, you know, the son of Thunder and and she she 726 00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:00,400 really plays into that using the that in the the sound design as well. 727 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:06,079 A couple of different times we have references to that. But one thing that 728 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,639 just really stood out to me about this particular episode is a line that John 729 01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:15,199 says, I can't remember where where this happened, if it's right before Jesus 730 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:20,599 actually dies or if it's right after. But he makes a statement where he 731 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:25,440 says, there's so much I don't understand, and it just really highlights the 732 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,039 confusion that the disciples must have been feeling, and again makes them feel so 733 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:36,880 relatable because again, these are real human people. These are not just characters 734 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:43,760 from a fairy tale. They had real feelings and emotions. And you know, 735 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,199 even though Jesus did tell them the Son of Man is going to be 736 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,280 sacrificed or the temple is going to be rebuilt, and you know, he 737 01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:55,760 told them these different things, but in the moment, they're just confused. 738 01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:01,239 They don't understand. I've followed him for these these past few years. I 739 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:07,199 believed in this message. I believed he's who he said he was, what's 740 01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:10,960 going on here? And and that line it just I just felt the weight 741 01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:15,760 of it, the way it was delivered, and there's so much I don't 742 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,559 understand, and I just felt like, wow, Wow, that's that's a 743 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:23,199 poignant moment there. I think it's easy for us on the other side of 744 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:30,119 history, the other side of the Bible being collected and available to us and 745 01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:35,320 you know, the the Internet, to research all of these cultural gaps that 746 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,159 we don't understand. I think it's easy for us to look at some of 747 01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:42,480 them and go like, how come they didn't see it? Like why are 748 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,360 they so you know, like thick, like why couldn't they get it? 749 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,880 Like this seems so obvious to us on this side, you know, because 750 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,599 but we forget we have all of that benefit that they didn't have, and 751 01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:57,880 that you know, if you see, if you see even for example, 752 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:05,239 the modern day objects actions to Christianity from people in the Jewish community, you 753 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,960 can see that there is oftentimes an explanation of like, hey, like we 754 01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:14,360 don't interpret certain Old Testament passages the way that you do in a way that 755 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,119 would be necessary to be able to see Jesus as the Messiah. And that's 756 01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:22,639 now with the benefit of history and all these kinds of things, So to 757 01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,639 understand that even they for them, it will be that much harder for them 758 01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:30,760 to see it immediately. I mean, it ultimately does line up at least 759 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,800 that's my belief, my belief personally, but it would have been difficult for 760 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,880 them to see that at the time, you know. And I mean, 761 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,280 even to that end, I'd love to This is something I was thinking about 762 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,360 a lot. With all of the Jewish cultural aspect in here, I would 763 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:52,920 be so curious to hear the perspective of someone who is Jewish that listen to 764 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:59,199 this production what some of their thoughts might be on some of those facets, 765 01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:04,280 you know. So I don't know if there's any Jewish listeners in the audience 766 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,960 of ATC that would be able to weigh in, because I'd love to hear 767 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,639 your thoughts on those particular things. But yeah, I fully agree with you 768 01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:15,599 on that that that confusion that they would have experienced. It it comes through 769 01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:20,440 really well. Yeah. And another element here is speaking of names that are 770 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,519 repeated, so to speak. You know, we had that with Jesus earlier, 771 01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:28,000 but in this one we have this sort of similar thing with Joseph. 772 01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:31,199 And of course, you know, as I've grown up in church, I've 773 01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:36,880 heard the story of Joseph of Arimathea, and you know, I know about 774 01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:40,159 his role in the in this story here, and of course I know that 775 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:45,760 Joseph was also Mary's husband, but it never really clicked to me in this 776 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:53,480 particular way until listening to this episode where Joseph approaches Mary and says, hey, 777 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,639 Pilots said, I could take the body. And I never thought about 778 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,440 this aspect of it too, is like she doesn't know this guy, like 779 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,840 why should she trust him to take the body of Jesus And he just comes 780 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:10,320 up to her out of the blue. So I never thought about that aspect 781 01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:14,239 of it before, but he does explain himself and everything, and so she 782 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,960 agrees. But then she says, what is your name? And he says 783 01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:23,719 Joseph, and she's just sort of kind of not a chuckle, but there's 784 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:29,599 just a recognition in her and she says, how fitting at least he can 785 01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:31,480 be laid in the tomb of a Joseph or something like that. You know, 786 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:38,440 that was my husband's name. And I never made that connection in that 787 01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:44,079 way before, because somebody's tomb in those days like that was a big thing. 788 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:50,119 And Joseph of Arimathea was a pretty well off person from what we understand, 789 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,559 and to give his tomb away, he didn't realize he was only gonna 790 01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:59,360 be used for three days, you know, and so for him that was 791 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,639 a sacrifice. Yeah. And then the connection there of having the same name 792 01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:09,800 as Jesus Earthly Father, it was just beautifully portrayed there in that moment, 793 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,719 and I loved it well. And we know that in the Bible that names 794 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,519 are are highly significant, you know, And even within this story we see 795 01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:21,360 the effects of that with someone like Peter, not in this particular episode, 796 01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:27,960 but in the overarching story with him feeling like he failed. Jesus can't be 797 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000 called Peter now because I'm not a rock kind of thing, that kind of 798 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,639 feeling. So we see that there's a significance to two names, and yeah, 799 01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:40,719 I didn't. I never made that connection before this either, but I 800 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:47,639 will definitely make that connection again in conversation. And speaking of Mary here, 801 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:54,960 she was played by Carol O'Brien, and Kara is a just an amazing actress 802 01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:59,639 and a super sweet person as well, just in real life. I've gotten 803 01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:04,960 to know her a little bit through Sonicon and she's just a delightful person. 804 01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:10,440 And she does a fantastic job here in this particular scene, you know, 805 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:15,199 because we have the whole interaction between her and John and her and Jesus as 806 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,519 Jesus is dying, and we have the scene where he says, John, 807 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:24,239 behold thy mother basically, so we have all of that there and she just 808 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:29,119 does a fantastic job. But overall, this was a really solid episode. 809 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:32,679 And you know, we're not really breaking this down and like rating each episode 810 01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:35,480 because they don't stand alone. I mean, you could hop in and listen 811 01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:40,559 if you wanted to just to hear one perspective, but you really need to 812 01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:45,639 listen to these all in order together, so we're looking at these more in 813 01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:50,679 the perspective of the whole rather than the individual parts here. Yeah, and 814 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:57,039 I think we may have mentioned this already, but yeah, the nailing sound 815 01:06:57,079 --> 01:07:02,480 effect and everything, just and the way that John is like, oh, 816 01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:04,480 you know, don't look, don't look, you don't need to see this 817 01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:10,159 kind of thing, So we kind of hear like a different auditory perspective too, 818 01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:12,760 where it's a bit kind of like masked. Yeah, a bit kind 819 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,440 of not quite muffled, but kind of and like, I don't know if 820 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,880 muffles really quite accurate to say in this case, but it's it's mask it's 821 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:24,480 it's put back a bit from us, like kind of auditorily giving us the 822 01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:27,719 same sense of like almost like covering your eyes where you can kind of see 823 01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:29,480 what you kind of can't, like you can kind of hear, but you 824 01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:33,119 kind of can't. I thought that was that was way more effective than if 825 01:07:33,159 --> 01:07:39,119 we just heard it directly and kind of put us in that zone. You're 826 01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:42,719 mentioning. This is kind this is a bit of a general thought, but 827 01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,320 it kind of springboards off something you said. There, go for it. 828 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,800 This is kind of like regarding your saying about listening all in one stretch, 829 01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:54,639 I will say one thing that this is not a necessarily got negative mark. 830 01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:58,000 This is my just my my thought. One thing that I kind of felt 831 01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:01,639 like would have taken this just it's fantastic already, but just a little bit 832 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:08,480 forward, a little one percent better kind of thing is in terms of music, 833 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,840 I think we should have had music either at the beginnings or the endings 834 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,720 of each of these in a more pronounced way, only because I will say 835 01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:25,439 the story works better in one clear listen. But I feel like because we 836 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,600 end on a monologue and open on a monologue, there were a couple times 837 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,720 we're listening to it straight through, gave maybe just a little doors oriented it 838 01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:38,239 first when I end one episode and start to another about who's talking, and 839 01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:42,039 I feel like that WOU wouldn't have been as much of an issue if there 840 01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:45,760 was more, say of a more pronounced musical cue between that to really kind 841 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,640 of refresh my mind and set me in the tone of like, okay, 842 01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:54,520 we're moving to something different now. A couple times, especially if we went 843 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,560 from like say, a disciple to a disciple, where their voices were you 844 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,319 know, maybe in a similar age Rain not sout with the same voice like 845 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,079 it overall wasn't like massively disoriented or anything, but it was a tiny little 846 01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:09,760 thing that I kind of wished was there. And I say that as as 847 01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:14,359 loving all of this. I'm not like trying to be critical in a negative 848 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:15,600 sense, but that was the one little thing that I was like, Ah, 849 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,760 I wish we had a little bit of that. Yeah, I could 850 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:24,279 see that because we have the opening theme of the Witnesses show at the top 851 01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:28,600 of the first episode, but it does not come in on each of the 852 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,479 episodes, so there's no Yeah, there's no way to I had them all 853 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,119 in a playlist, you know, and they just roll right into each other. 854 01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:38,960 There's no way to differentiate as you're listening when one episode ends and the 855 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,439 next one begins. So, yeah, you're right about that. So I 856 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,720 could see. I could see that for sure. To be clear, I 857 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,079 wouldn't have suggested putting the theme at the beginning of each one because I think 858 01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:51,920 that would make them feel too sonically separate. But some kind of music cue 859 01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:58,800 yep and disconnected exactly. Yeah. Well that brings us to episode seven, 860 01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:03,720 The Teacher, and now we're coming We just had Joseph in the scene there 861 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:09,319 at the last episode, but now we're switching over to his perspective, and 862 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,119 this is one of those moments where it does jump back in the timeline. 863 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:18,680 So the first part of this seventh episode goes back to discussion between him and 864 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:24,960 Nicodemus. And this was really interesting too, hearing his perspective and kind of 865 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:30,159 filling in the blanks of when he first started to becoming interested in Jesus. 866 01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:34,960 And it wasn't just suddenly he decides he's going to go seek the body of 867 01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:40,159 Jesus. It was it had been growing a little a little while, and 868 01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:45,840 he'd been watching how Nicodemus had been standing up for Jesus, and so it 869 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:50,079 was really interesting to hear their discussion. And Nicodemus, who is played by 870 01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:56,800 Nathan Carlson, who really just does a phenomenal job. Just his performance here 871 01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,479 was amazing. I loved hearing him in this sort of role. I did 872 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:05,279 not even recognize his voice at first, and Nathan Carlson's voice is very distinct. 873 01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:08,479 I mean, I've heard him in you know, so many things in 874 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:13,600 Jungle Jam and Odyssey, and hearing him here I totally did not even pick 875 01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,560 up on his voice at first, and so that was really cool then. 876 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:25,239 But he has a line where he's talking to Joseph and sort of explaining about 877 01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:28,640 his meeting with Jesus, which we know of from the Gospels. We know 878 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,600 about this story of him meeting with Jesus, and he says, I went 879 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:38,720 there to question him, but I left questioning everything I knew. And I 880 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:44,239 loved that line because it really does jibe with what we know from scripture. 881 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,159 But he continues, he said, we've all been waiting for the Messiah for 882 01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:51,960 so long. Isn't it possible that we decided who he would be, so 883 01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:57,840 when he actually came, we didn't even recognize him. Oh, that was 884 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,520 such a great moment. And I think many of us do that in our 885 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:08,479 own lives too. You know, maybe you're praying for something, some difficult 886 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,560 circumstance that you're going through in your life, and you're praying, you're waiting 887 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,840 for God to come through in some form or fashion. It doesn't happen, 888 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,840 and you've been waiting, and you've been praying for so long you've got an 889 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:23,880 exact idea of what it's going to look like when God shows up in your 890 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,439 life and maybe it's going to be a little bit different, and I think 891 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,239 we can learn that from this. If I may put my preacher hat on 892 01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:36,680 for a moment, Yeah, I think so. I'm gonna throw this. 893 01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,560 This is a bit out of order, and I apologize, but I realize 894 01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:45,479 I've missed my chance to put this in at the appropriate time. But so 895 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:53,439 Jacob Phillips was rufous that more main Roman guy, right, and my goodness, 896 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,159 he was good. He was not We've run out of episodes that he 897 01:12:57,279 --> 01:12:59,920 was in, and I missed my chance to say that, But I just 898 01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:03,840 wanted to say he was really good. So there you go. That's not 899 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:12,840 that profound, but yeah, definitely I would agree with that, but if 900 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:18,119 we could switch back to something a little more profound. No, I was 901 01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:21,720 totally appropriate to to drop that in there, because Jake's a great guy too, 902 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,680 and he's a fantastic actor. So I'm glad you mentioned that because I 903 01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,520 had I had forgotten to mention that because we don't have an episode focused on 904 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,600 him, but he shows up in multiple episodes and and yeah, just does 905 01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:40,920 a great job. But what we also hear in this episode again, we're 906 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,439 having this conversation between Nick, Demus and Joseph, and these guys are you 907 01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:50,039 know, they're their their priests, they're they're members of the this this body 908 01:13:50,199 --> 01:13:55,079 of you know, a governing body, so to speak, and they know 909 01:13:55,199 --> 01:14:00,279 the law, they know the history inside and out. And so draw upping 910 01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:06,359 these little things into the conversation here was just genius from Tracy's expertise here. 911 01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:12,840 As a writer, I loved it and it made so much sense to sort 912 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,119 of let us as the listener hear these little things that just helps give a 913 01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:21,399 little more context for things. And so he talks about the correlation between Jesus 914 01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:26,960 being lifted up on the cross and the serpent on the pole or the rod 915 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:32,279 in the wilderness, and also brings into focus of the plagues in Egypt and 916 01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:36,800 the darkness that was one of the plagues which was followed by the death of 917 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:42,479 the Firstborn, and he correlates that with the darkness that covered the land when 918 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:48,720 Jesus died, and then also how significant the tearing of the curtain was in 919 01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:55,319 the temple to these priests. All of that is brought out in this episode. 920 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,920 And as you mentioned earlier, it's not an info dump. It fits 921 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:05,239 what's happening in the scene so well, but it just adds so much more 922 01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:09,920 texture to the story and I loved it. I loved it. It was 923 01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:15,199 so well done. I'd love to hear a I'd love to see maybe some 924 01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:21,479 churches even take some of this and listen through this around the Easter time of 925 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:27,640 the year as maybe a companion piece to some of the sermons series that they're 926 01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,720 going through and that kind of thing. That would be really cool. I 927 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,479 mean, in the past, I've taken one of the Witness productions, A 928 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:40,640 Shepherd's Encounter, and with Tracy's permission, rewritten it into a just like a 929 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:45,399 one person play and perform that around Christmas time. Be interesting to see maybe 930 01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,159 some kind of elements of that this too, or just just I know this 931 01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:53,760 might sound radical, it's up to people's opinions or whatever, but like even 932 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,159 just sitting there listening to it just as a congregation. I'm not necessarily saying 933 01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:00,199 to replace your sermon or any of those normal funk that you have, but 934 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,760 just to sit there as a congregation listen and use that, or as in 935 01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,239 your small group or whatever if you're a part of a Bible study or anything 936 01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:12,880 like that, not to replace scripture or anything, but to get you wanting 937 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,640 to dig into it further. And I think it does a great job of 938 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,079 that of making you want to dig into it further and discuss it. Oh 939 01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:24,159 yeah, absolutely. I've mentioned this in the past before that One thing that 940 01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:28,000 I also did as a Sunday school teacher was I used some of the episodes 941 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,079 of the Luke Reports as part of my sort of curriculum and I wrote accompanying 942 01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:38,479 discussion guides and stuff around the episodes, and so I used those and we 943 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,279 would listen to an episode together as a class and discuss them, and so 944 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,680 it was a part of our what we did in class on Sundays. And 945 01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:51,199 so yeah, I think it's a really cool thing. And years and years 946 01:16:51,239 --> 01:16:57,279 ago, when we first did The Crossmaker, my pastor asked us to present 947 01:16:57,319 --> 01:17:00,520 it as a live radio drama on our Bible Study night one one night, 948 01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:04,880 and so we've we did a you know, live performance of The Crossmaker for 949 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:10,079 our church. So I think these can be used in these in these ways. 950 01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:13,840 So I think it's it's really cool when you can sort of mix those 951 01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,479 in and again not replacing the preaching of the word and that kind of thing, 952 01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,279 but as a supplementary thing, you know, it's It's very cool. 953 01:17:20,279 --> 01:17:24,960 Absolutely. Oh I forgot to mention this earlier. And one of the other 954 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:31,680 things in this episode is they also draw the correlation between the earth crying out 955 01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:38,199 because of it ables blood and the earthquake when Jesus dies as well, and 956 01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,640 I thought that was a really cool point too. M hmm. Well that 957 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,119 brings us to the final episode called The Witness And this is episode eight, 958 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,039 the final episode of this mini series, and this is Mary Magdalene's perspective. 959 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:59,079 And I have to say I was so glad when I heard Tracy because she 960 01:17:59,239 --> 01:18:03,880 often just plays smaller roles in her projects. I was really happy that she 961 01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:09,840 decided to play a main role because she is a really great actress and she 962 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,119 did a fantastic job in this episode as Mary Magdalene. Yeah. I think 963 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:17,760 I'm going to get booed in the comments for this, but hold on, 964 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,159 put down your pitchforks. It's not what you think. I also thought Tracy 965 01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:26,199 was fantastic, so put the pitchforks down. But this was my first time 966 01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:30,039 hearing Tracy acting and realizing it it was Tracy, and I say that I'm 967 01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:32,760 gonna get booed because everybody's like, what, you've never heard Iliot House. 968 01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,520 No, I've not heard Iliot House yet. I'll get around to it. 969 01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:43,399 But I didn't realize it until afterward that this was Tracy, And yeah, 970 01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,399 she did a fantastic job. And hopeful to hear more acting from Tracy. 971 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:53,039 Now. I don't know if you know the answer to this question, JD, 972 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,520 or if in your knowing this answer to this question, if you were 973 01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,840 allowed to answer this question. So I'll just pose it to you. This 974 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,840 is the final episode of this mini series? Is this the final episode of 975 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:11,239 Witnesses? Do you know? Because we've been witnessing Jesus and now we've come 976 01:19:11,319 --> 01:19:15,920 to his death and resurrection. I could see that. I'm not saying that 977 01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:19,319 it needs to be, but I could see that being the natural conclusion for 978 01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:25,159 Witnesses. And I know that Tracy has some new projects, new exciting projects 979 01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:28,880 that I'm stoked to hear on the horizon. So I don't know if that's 980 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,920 if that's signaling sort of an end of an era or I don't know if 981 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,600 you can speak to that or not, but I can I can see how 982 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:41,439 you might think that, and I hadn't thought about that until you just just 983 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,640 mentioned it, and that would make sense because the whole point of this show 984 01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:50,159 is these are people who had direct interactions with Jesus while he was here on 985 01:19:50,279 --> 01:19:56,079 Earth, and so you know, with this being the sort of the end 986 01:19:56,119 --> 01:20:00,880 of his time here on Earth in human form, can see how that might 987 01:20:00,199 --> 01:20:03,239 signal the end, but it is not. The show is continuing on. 988 01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,600 She's just going to jump around, you know, tell other stories from the 989 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:13,319 New Testament. So there are more stories to come from the show, and 990 01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,399 she says she's really really excited about some of the ones she's working on these 991 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:21,359 days, and so yeah, there is more witnesses to come. You heard 992 01:20:21,359 --> 01:20:27,600 of herst here on atc guys breaking news, not in the news segment, 993 01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,720 but it's still breaking news. So that's exciting. I'm excited for that too, 994 01:20:31,039 --> 01:20:33,920 And I told her too, I said, I am thrilled to hear 995 01:20:34,039 --> 01:20:38,560 that you are really excited about the show because I've been a fan of this 996 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,760 project since it first started, and I'm really really glad to see that it's 997 01:20:43,079 --> 01:20:46,720 going to be continuing. Yeah, so it's really cool. And speaking of 998 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,720 a great performance, you know, she did a fantastic job here. There 999 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,920 were a few other characters that we didn't have like a main there wasn't an 1000 01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:58,359 episode dedicated to them, but they were also really great. And Glenn Haskell 1001 01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,960 as Annas, and then we had again I mentioned Kara earlier, but Kara 1002 01:21:02,039 --> 01:21:09,239 O'Brien as Mary the Mother of Jesus. You mentioned Jacob as Rufus, and 1003 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:15,119 Sean Condy, we mentioned him as Simon and Judas. But Jonathan Cook played 1004 01:21:15,399 --> 01:21:20,760 a bunch of different characters. He played Thomas the Disciple, he played one 1005 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:25,479 of the soldiers, one of the servants, he plays the angel here at 1006 01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:30,760 the end of this episode when Mary goes to the tomb, and some other 1007 01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:36,640 smaller parts. But Jonathan is just a fantastic actor in every character. He 1008 01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:41,239 always just puts everything into the role and he always does a fantastic job. 1009 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,640 Yeah. No, it was definitely looking through the credits going like, oh, 1010 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,199 yeah, okay, Jonathan, I mean, that's that's a given. 1011 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,960 You know, it wouldn't be a wouldn't be an audio drama in this space 1012 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:57,560 without Jonathan at this point, but with good reason. You know. I 1013 01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,600 like to make fun of Jonathan for being in everything, but it's really because 1014 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:06,840 he's such a fantastic actor with a shocking range of voice. I have to 1015 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:11,000 say yeah, because there's certainly times, I mean, you might think this 1016 01:22:11,039 --> 01:22:14,199 is silly, but it took me the entire first season of Pirateers to realize 1017 01:22:14,279 --> 01:22:17,720 Jonathan played both characters. And now I feel silly for not noticing it, 1018 01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,640 but like, but I was immersed in the story and that he has because 1019 01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:26,479 the thing voice acting is not just and being able to play a lot of 1020 01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:31,600 different characters is not just about being able to put on a different sonic quality 1021 01:22:32,039 --> 01:22:35,239 to your voice. You know, I think a lot of people might think 1022 01:22:35,239 --> 01:22:39,199 that, oh, voice acting is easy. I can do like ten different 1023 01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:42,760 cartoony voices when I'm messing around with my friends. So therefore, you know, 1024 01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,520 I'm going to have great range and I'm going to be the next Jonathan 1025 01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,520 Cook. And I'm not saying you won't be. Keep practicing, keep it 1026 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,439 up, keep playing with those voices. But there's more to it than the 1027 01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:55,600 sort of sonic distinction between those voices. But it's getting yourself in the headspace 1028 01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,239 of that. You know, it is voice, but it's also acting. 1029 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,960 It's a voice acting, and so it's not just about having a great wacky 1030 01:23:02,039 --> 01:23:05,720 voice or something like that, and Jonathan's not leaning into any wacky voices here, 1031 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:10,640 but like he's learned how to control the different parts of his voice and 1032 01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,640 his acting so that the performance lends to it. So you might even have 1033 01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,359 if you were to do if you were to really scientifically analyze it, there 1034 01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:21,439 might be occasions where you're like, actually, sonically, these two voices are 1035 01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:28,800 fairly similar, but the personality, the attitude, the performance of it takes 1036 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,479 it that much further. And so what you're hearing and what you're even beyond 1037 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:38,199 what you're hearing, what you're experiencing as an audience member is much more than 1038 01:23:38,279 --> 01:23:42,199 just the timber Tombray timber whatever. You know what I'm saying, and the 1039 01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:45,319 sonic quality of the actual voice and the placement in the head and the throat 1040 01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:47,960 and diaphragm and all this kind of thing. But it's also that acting part 1041 01:23:48,039 --> 01:23:53,640 that pushes this this separation further kind of thing. So if you're going to 1042 01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,039 take notes on Jonathan, that's one of the things you should take notes on. 1043 01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:01,359 Yeah, absolutely. And another one is Daniel Cross, who, in 1044 01:24:01,359 --> 01:24:05,000 addition to playing Barabbas in you know, the lead in that one episode, 1045 01:24:05,039 --> 01:24:10,760 he also does Andrew James and a few other small parts, and also plays 1046 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:15,239 Caiaphas. And so yeah, we got some really great talented actors in these 1047 01:24:15,319 --> 01:24:19,279 in these episodes. But and he has a very appropriate name for this production. 1048 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:26,439 Yeah, that's funny. I didn't even think about that. Leave it 1049 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:32,159 to you to point something like that out. Well, you know, that's 1050 01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:36,279 that's that's what I'm here for. It's not any any interesting insights. It's 1051 01:24:36,319 --> 01:24:45,159 some irrelevant detail that Yeah. Oh goodness, well you know what. I 1052 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:51,079 went and listened to all eight of these episodes back to back today in preparation 1053 01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:59,880 for this review, and oh my goodness, I just I was thoroughly pulled 1054 01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:03,920 in into this, into this story, and just enthralled. Towards the end 1055 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:09,800 of this episode, I totally got chills when Jesus appears to Mary. Yes, 1056 01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:16,600 just that's a scene Mark just oh. I started to say, he 1057 01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:23,199 nailed it, but that's probably the wrong terminology to use it. Oh no, 1058 01:25:25,359 --> 01:25:29,840 Yes, it was so so good. Yes, and this is what 1059 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,880 I was alluding to much earlier in the in the conversation. But the bookends 1060 01:25:33,159 --> 01:25:40,279 monologues for this episode, I love what happens here because as Mary is doing 1061 01:25:40,319 --> 01:25:44,880 her monologue, moments before it happened, I started to realize this was going 1062 01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,800 to happen, but it's still had this the right impact for me where I 1063 01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,000 was like, wait a minute, we're not going to end on a monologue. 1064 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:58,199 Her monologue is going to be interrupted by Jesus in it almost almost but 1065 01:25:58,319 --> 01:26:01,640 not quite fourth wall break kind of way, so to speak, where where 1066 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,119 we've been set up with this convention after each episode, Hey, we're going 1067 01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:10,399 to start with this character sort of narrating and they're talking to you and it's 1068 01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,399 kind of just between you and them moment at the beginning and the ending, 1069 01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:19,039 but then that gets subverted with Jesus talking to her, and I just love 1070 01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:25,560 how that happened. It just feels like a such a great payoff. I 1071 01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,760 don't know if that's something that Tracy knew she wanted to do from the beginning 1072 01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:30,640 of this whole thing, or something that she kind of that just kind of 1073 01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:34,159 fell into as she got there. I mean, Tracy's a fantastic writer, 1074 01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:38,880 so you know, I don't want to take credit away from her and say, 1075 01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,880 oh, it was just happenstance, but I know that when you're writing, 1076 01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:44,079 some of these things do to just kind of fall into place, and 1077 01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:46,319 some of them are are big planned and I don't know how what kind of 1078 01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:50,800 approach she uses to that, but regardless, it landed so well for me 1079 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:56,319 that kind of quote unquote not quite fourth wall breaking, but for lack of 1080 01:26:56,359 --> 01:27:00,960 a better description, sort of subversion, you know, yeah, yeah, 1081 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,920 that moment just it packs an emotional punch right there, and it was just 1082 01:27:05,119 --> 01:27:11,520 everything about it was so good. And then the final moment we have with 1083 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:15,399 Peter and Mary that just got me all teered up. Man. I was 1084 01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:19,520 just like, oh, oh my goodness. I had to just sit there 1085 01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:24,520 for a little while after that episode finishes up, and I just had to 1086 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:29,439 sit there like wow, try to collect myself because it's so so powerful towards 1087 01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:34,079 the end there just beautiful. That's always a good sign when you just want 1088 01:27:34,079 --> 01:27:39,359 to sit with a story and you're just like I had this experience. I 1089 01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:43,560 believe it was with the audio essay. You know, I know you're not 1090 01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,520 trying to be self promoting, so I'll self promote you, JD. But 1091 01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:49,560 the audio essay that you put out recently about loss and all that kind of 1092 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,239 thing. When I first heard that, when I finished it up, like 1093 01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:58,760 I was driving at the time and listening to it, and you know, 1094 01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,680 the normal habit would be, Okay, I'm done, I'm not quite home 1095 01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,119 yet, just gonna, you know, next thing on the playlist or whatever. 1096 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:08,319 But I just like, I just turned the sound off as soon as 1097 01:28:08,319 --> 01:28:12,640 it finished, and I was just like, I just want to sit with 1098 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,880 my thoughts and my feelings about this and just think about it. And that's 1099 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,800 the feeling I had with that, And it's a similar feeling with this where 1100 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,239 it's just like I just want to take that in for a moment, I 1101 01:28:21,319 --> 01:28:25,239 want to rush on to the next thing. And I think that's the feeling 1102 01:28:25,319 --> 01:28:29,960 that we want to have after the weight and the impact of hearing about Jesus 1103 01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,800 and his sacrifice for us and everything and think it through. And so I 1104 01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:38,640 think this really helped that happen. And I like how it ends with this 1105 01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:43,600 idea of him asking her to be a witness now, which is more than 1106 01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,199 just kind of like, hey, they said the thing. It's more than 1107 01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:53,119 that. It's like he's speaking to us in that moment too, saying for 1108 01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:59,079 us to be a witness now of his sacrifice and now everything that we've just 1109 01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:03,119 heard, you know. So yeah, no, it was fantastic. Well, 1110 01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:06,600 first of all, thank you for the kind words about my essay, 1111 01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:10,920 but I'm glad that it had that effect. I mean, that's sort of 1112 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:16,000 what I was going for. Yeah, yeah, that is kind of like 1113 01:29:16,039 --> 01:29:23,079 the the goal with something like that. And obviously, my little, my 1114 01:29:23,159 --> 01:29:27,439 little fumblings with words don't compare to this story here. You know, this 1115 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,680 is the greatest story ever told. You know that that that's a term for 1116 01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:35,800 a reason, and the way that she ties it all up just beautiful. 1117 01:29:36,039 --> 01:29:42,279 That we do have the ending theme that rolls and we do have some credits. 1118 01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,000 One thing I did want to point out real quickly, just because I 1119 01:29:45,039 --> 01:29:46,880 thought it was interesting. We don't hear this very often. It's not something 1120 01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:51,199 it's never done, but it's not something you hear often is having the actors 1121 01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:56,039 say their own name, and that was kind of a cool touch. I 1122 01:29:56,119 --> 01:30:00,319 kind of liked that as the credits rolled. But a few final thoughts here 1123 01:30:00,399 --> 01:30:05,439 overall, there were there were a couple of moments of spatial ambiguity. I'm 1124 01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:10,680 gonna call it. I was a little bit unsure of where the listener is 1125 01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:15,159 supposed to be, just a couple of points at one point, you know, 1126 01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,920 where it sounds like we're right up on the cross with Jesus and then 1127 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:23,039 seconds later we're right down with John and Mary. There were just a couple 1128 01:30:23,039 --> 01:30:26,960 of moments like that. Nothing huge, but if I'm gonna be a nitpicky, 1129 01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:30,000 that was a little a little ambiguous on where where's the listener here in 1130 01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:34,039 this scene? And that just happened a couple of times throughout the eight episodes. 1131 01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,880 Again, nothing huge, but I did pick up on that. The 1132 01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:43,680 other thing was there were a couple of smaller bit part characters that were using 1133 01:30:44,399 --> 01:30:47,079 sort of British accents, and that felt a little bit odd to me. 1134 01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,800 I think I don't know if that was the actor's choice or if that was 1135 01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:55,880 a direction trying to differentiate characters, because this is, I mean, this 1136 01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,680 is a huge cast. When we talked about some of these actors who are 1137 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:02,199 playing you know, three, four or five characters, so I understand you 1138 01:31:02,199 --> 01:31:06,760 have to differentiate because you're not going to hire an actor to play one bit 1139 01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,079 part and then go get somebody else to play another bit part, you know, 1140 01:31:10,079 --> 01:31:12,600 so you have to do some of these kind of things. But that 1141 01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,960 just felt a little bit odd to me. I mentioned the Luke reports earlier. 1142 01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,520 They sort of made sense there because they're all British actors, you know, 1143 01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:24,039 and they're not trying they're not trying to do Middle Eastern accents, so 1144 01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:30,960 as our main characters are in this version. So again not a yes, 1145 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,159 I do I appreciate that the main cast is going for more of a Jewish 1146 01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:38,039 thing. It kind of annoys me when unless, like you say, you 1147 01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:41,600 know, it's it's a British production company or something or all like British actors 1148 01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:46,640 that kind of thing. But like, if you are an American, you 1149 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:51,479 know, production company kind of thing, which Tracy is not go Canada anyways, 1150 01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:57,479 we share that in common. But uh, if your state side, 1151 01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,840 if you're in Canada, this is a personal preference. But if you're going 1152 01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:06,199 to do a Bible production, either use natural accents to your region or use 1153 01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:10,840 something kind of from the region it's supposed to be in. I find for 1154 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:15,640 some reason in film and in audio drama when they're doing Bible stories, they 1155 01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:21,199 seem to revert to British accents. And I don't know if it's because historically 1156 01:32:21,279 --> 01:32:26,000 there were a lot of productions that were British and so we're emulating that, 1157 01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:30,680 or if it's sort of like hearkening to the King James Bible or something like 1158 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,640 that. I'm not sure what it is, but it really seems to be 1159 01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:39,079 let's go British and it doesn't make any sense to me. It's more distracting 1160 01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:45,199 than either your natural accent or trying to do some sort of Hebrew or accent 1161 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:49,640 or whatever kind of thing. Yeah, again, not a huge thing, 1162 01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,600 but it's just something that jumped out at me, so I thought it was 1163 01:32:53,640 --> 01:33:00,600 worth mentioning. But overall, I absolutely love this show in general, and 1164 01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:06,720 this mini series specifically. Because I've said this earlier. It makes these people 1165 01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:12,439 feel so real, and that's a good thing because they were They were real 1166 01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:17,119 people and understanding these events and this, as I said a moment ago, 1167 01:33:17,239 --> 01:33:23,039 the greatest story ever told from these different perspectives, and in turn applying that 1168 01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:29,560 to our daily lives, it's just wonderful. Now, Yes, you mentioned 1169 01:33:30,119 --> 01:33:35,640 minimal music, which is it can be a strong suit or it could be 1170 01:33:36,119 --> 01:33:41,840 something that you would count as a bit of a con but the transitions are 1171 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:46,880 primarily quick fades. There are a couple of moments where there's some underscoring music 1172 01:33:47,399 --> 01:33:51,359 that Tracy does do in a couple of really key moments, and I think 1173 01:33:51,399 --> 01:33:56,119 it works when she does have it, and so I think that was done 1174 01:33:56,119 --> 01:34:00,840 really well. But as I said earlier, with the historical context and the 1175 01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:05,600 cultural context sprinkled in, you know, the traditions, and yeah, of 1176 01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:09,720 course there's a healthy amount of artistic license to fill in the blanks, but 1177 01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:16,039 overall beautifully done. The script is wonderful and the acting sound design just really 1178 01:34:16,119 --> 01:34:24,039 high quality stuff. Absolutely, So any final thoughts on this eight part mini 1179 01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:28,279 series before we wrap this up, No, I just want to act you. 1180 01:34:28,359 --> 01:34:30,399 Yeah, just what you said. I think Tracy does a fantastic job 1181 01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,840 with this. I've always thought Tracy has done a great job. And there's 1182 01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:40,319 an emotional weight without feeling sappy or anything like that, but there's an emotional 1183 01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:46,119 weight that Tracy brings to these stories that connects so well. And I've had 1184 01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:50,680 the pleasure of watching people listen to one of these stories and just watch their 1185 01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:56,199 face as they kind of like get drawn into the story and the characters. 1186 01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:00,920 And I think that personal angle that you're talking about and then all comes back 1187 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:06,119 right to the name and Tracy has not forgotten her premise, her or anything 1188 01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:10,720 like that. Is that are these are witnesses, and that's what we're really 1189 01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:14,800 hearing, and that these are witnesses, just like when we listen to a 1190 01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,279 witness of an event or in the court of law or whatever. We want 1191 01:35:17,319 --> 01:35:21,359 to hear their perspective, how it affected them, all that kind of thing, 1192 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,279 and then it moves us. I guess I'm kind of repeating myself at 1193 01:35:25,319 --> 01:35:28,760 this point, but I just think she's done a fantastic job at doing that. 1194 01:35:29,119 --> 01:35:31,319 I think there's something here for everyone in the sense that if you are 1195 01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:39,520 if you are a Christian and you are familiar with these stories, I think 1196 01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,319 that there is still something for you. There's a richness that you're going to 1197 01:35:43,399 --> 01:35:45,560 get. We both mention, I mean both JD and I have been Christians 1198 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:49,840 for many, many years, and we both mentioned things during this that we're 1199 01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,239 like, oh, I never saw that before. I didn't know that. 1200 01:35:53,319 --> 01:35:55,960 Oh wow, you know, I never thought of it that from that angle 1201 01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,760 before. But if you're not a believer and you want to engage in this 1202 01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,079 or or hear this perspective, I think that this is a this is a 1203 01:36:03,079 --> 01:36:10,199 way that is going to again not replace the Bible itself, but encourage you 1204 01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:12,800 to want to go to the Bible and read, read more, and learn 1205 01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,760 more after you listen. So I think it's a great, great companion piece 1206 01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,800 there. Yeah, and I'm I was really as I said moment ago, 1207 01:36:20,119 --> 01:36:24,720 I was really excited to hear that we've got more coming from this series. 1208 01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:31,199 And I have talked in the past about when I hear about another another Bible 1209 01:36:31,279 --> 01:36:35,439 story in audio, I'm like, okay, okay, but this is one 1210 01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:41,359 of the ones that I really really do enjoy and I look forward to hearing 1211 01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:45,640 because, at the risk of just repeating myself over and over again, it's 1212 01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:51,439 so well done that I do appreciate it because it's not just another narrative of 1213 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:55,920 a Bible story that I've heard, you know, a thousand times before, 1214 01:36:56,479 --> 01:37:00,399 and so there's a there's a little difference. There's there's something about the way 1215 01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:05,560 that these stories come together that I just really appreciate. And it's one of 1216 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:12,319 the few Biblical audio dramas that I really really love, and so I'm looking 1217 01:37:12,319 --> 01:37:14,760 forward to hearing more. And of course, if you would like to hear 1218 01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:20,039 these episodes, they are linked in the show notes of this episode, and 1219 01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:25,960 on the Witnesses website. You can stream all these episodes for free. She 1220 01:37:26,039 --> 01:37:29,840 doesn't charge for these, which I mean that is very very generous of her. 1221 01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,720 Kus. I know she's pouring time, money and investing herself in this 1222 01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:39,520 project and allowing the world to hear them for free. Now, if you 1223 01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,760 do enjoy them, there is a place where on the website where you can 1224 01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:47,600 donate to support the show and help make future episodes, So be sure to 1225 01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,800 check that out, but of course linked in the show notes to go ahead 1226 01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:56,520 and hear these episodes and the previous ones as well. The Lamb from Witnesses. 1227 01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:02,000 Kudos to Tracy and everybody involved in these episodes, just some fantastic audio 1228 01:38:02,039 --> 01:38:08,399 drama and Christopher, thank you so much for coming on the show to review 1229 01:38:08,399 --> 01:38:12,640 these episodes with me. I had a lot of fun just kind of dissecting 1230 01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,239 these with you. Oh, thanks for having me. I mean, I've 1231 01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:19,119 told JD that it's my goal to be name dropped in some way, shape 1232 01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:24,960 or form on every episode of ATC now, and so you know this is 1233 01:38:25,039 --> 01:38:30,000 one up from a name drop for sure. So well, speaking of a 1234 01:38:30,079 --> 01:38:34,159 name drop, you just recently launched a project that's really fun and I thought 1235 01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:38,840 it would be fun. It'll tell the listener about it. I mentioned earlier 1236 01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:42,520 Shadows in Daylight, an audio drama project that you've been working on for years, 1237 01:38:43,159 --> 01:38:47,279 and of course you're my co star on Greenhorn Tales. Feels kind of 1238 01:38:47,279 --> 01:38:50,880 weird to say that, but yes, Christopher and I, if you don't 1239 01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:55,760 know, we make Greenhorn Tales. We play the main characters, and Christopher 1240 01:38:55,960 --> 01:39:01,479 is the main writer and wrote I think over half of all of the episodes 1241 01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:08,520 so far. So you are an experienced writer yourself, but you've started doing 1242 01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:14,119 something a little bit different outside of audio drama. So tell the listener about 1243 01:39:14,319 --> 01:39:17,479 your story circle. Yeah, so, you know, recently, just as 1244 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:23,000 a challenge to myself, I've been thinking of getting into more short stories again, 1245 01:39:23,159 --> 01:39:26,199 something I used to do a lot of just for fun, writing short 1246 01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:30,359 stories and that sort of thing, as well as like chapter stories and that 1247 01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:34,079 kind of thing. And I always find that as a writer for audio drama, 1248 01:39:34,119 --> 01:39:39,319 for anything else, it's good to delve outside of one medium every once 1249 01:39:39,359 --> 01:39:42,359 in a while, as it sharpens your skills. You know, an audio 1250 01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,479 drama you can be very dialogue heavy, you can fall into that trap of 1251 01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:49,119 just being dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, whereas a lot of other mediums force 1252 01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:54,359 you to be a bit more descriptive in other ways, and so it's a 1253 01:39:54,399 --> 01:39:57,479 benefit even to my audio drama writing. But yeah, I recently started something 1254 01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:02,039 because I have a coffee habit, like coffee, and so I've started this 1255 01:40:03,279 --> 01:40:09,359 thing, this story corner, the story circle from me where I am posting 1256 01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:14,960 up stories at buy me a Coffee dot com slash Chris Nogreen. I'm guessing 1257 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:16,520 we're going to be in the show notes, so I don't spell it all 1258 01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:23,199 out for you, but where I'm posting up short stories and chapters in chapter 1259 01:40:23,239 --> 01:40:26,960 stories one a month, and it's just a couple of bucks to feed that 1260 01:40:27,039 --> 01:40:30,319 coffee, have it and feed you stories. I got a short story up 1261 01:40:30,319 --> 01:40:34,039 there already as well as a prologue to a chapter story called The Scroll of 1262 01:40:34,079 --> 01:40:38,439 the Last Empire, as well as the first chapter that's gone up as well. 1263 01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:42,760 And another neat thing about that is if you're really interested in writing yourself 1264 01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:46,119 as well, I'm also putting out these little audio clips of me talking about 1265 01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:53,760 some of the inspiration or some of the struggles of telling the story, or 1266 01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,319 some things I changed in different drafts, and that kind of thing check kind 1267 01:40:57,319 --> 01:41:00,079 of like give you that author's perspective on the story. Is, which I 1268 01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:04,039 think there's some valuable stuff there for people who like writing or even just like 1269 01:41:04,079 --> 01:41:10,000 reading and like to hear about an author's thought processes. So yeah, yeah, 1270 01:41:10,039 --> 01:41:15,600 and I've been really enjoying and reading your stories and the behind the scenes 1271 01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:19,560 little clips or tidbits, whatever you want to call them. It's always interesting 1272 01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:26,319 to me to hear a creative person's process and how they came up with ideas 1273 01:41:26,359 --> 01:41:30,319 and what inspired them and things like that. So you know, that's that's 1274 01:41:30,319 --> 01:41:34,920 basically what Audio Theater's intertrol is. It's just me getting all nerdy about story 1275 01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:41,880 and so I like all that kind of stuff. And so if you're interested, 1276 01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,840 there is of course a link in the show notes to check this out. 1277 01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:46,680 If you've never heard of buying me a coffee dot com, it's similar 1278 01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:51,760 to patreon it it functions in a similar way, but I think the interface 1279 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:56,960 is a little bit easier. It's a little simpler and cleaner. And so 1280 01:41:57,119 --> 01:42:02,239 that's just the platform that Chris's using as a vehicle to get these stories out. 1281 01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:06,520 And if you enjoy reading good stories, then head over there and check 1282 01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:12,239 it out. But again, thank you so much for coming on ATC and 1283 01:42:12,279 --> 01:42:14,520 this has been a lot of fun. Yes, thanks for having me. 1284 01:42:15,239 --> 01:42:21,600 Hope to be on again soon. Well. Thank you again to Christopher Green 1285 01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:26,880 for joining me for that review. Had a great time chatting with him about 1286 01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:31,000 Witnesses. The song at the top of the review segment is Rise Again by 1287 01:42:31,159 --> 01:42:35,600 Ivan Parker from the two thousand and eight album titled The Best of Ivan Parker. 1288 01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:41,880 We'll be sure to join the ATC insiders. It's our email newsletter where 1289 01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:45,199 we'll send you updates in between episodes when we have something urgent that we wanted 1290 01:42:45,239 --> 01:42:48,840 to get out to you. So that's a free way to keep in touch 1291 01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:53,199 with us, and if you would like to reach out to us, head 1292 01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:57,520 over to Audio Theatercentral dot com slash contact. All the ways to reach out 1293 01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:00,439 are there the show notes for this episode with links to everything we talked about, 1294 01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,560 all of the news items, all of the links from the review segment 1295 01:43:04,039 --> 01:43:10,079 Audiotheatercentral dot com, Slash one nine to seven. Thank you so much for 1296 01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:14,159 listening. I hope you have a wonderful Easter time. We'll see you next 1297 01:43:14,199 --> 01:43:24,399 time. Audio Theater Central is a production of porch Light Family Media. Our 1298 01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:28,600 theme music was composed by Sam Avandanium. The show is produced and edited by 1299 01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:33,000 Yours Truly Jdsutter, with assistance on this episode by Austin Peache. Our website 1300 01:43:33,039 --> 01:43:48,359 is Audio Theatercentral dot com. Porklight Familymedia your source for family centered content. 1301 01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:54,000 Pornlightfamilymedia dot com