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All right, we have to talk
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I want to read you a quote, and I want you to tell me

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who wrote it. Okay, his
behavior has become adversarial and aggressive instead of

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professional and curious courteous. I do
know who said that? Who said that?

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The Great Daryl Hall correct ding ding
ding ding and what I But what

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I is shocking to me is who
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the hard part, the great John
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Like I didn't see this coming in
any way, shape or form. I

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thought they were still toring together.
Yeah, they apparently they last toured in

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twenty twenty one. I think I
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Yeah, this is bizarre. Yeah, it's like, uh, you know,

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watching this happen with of course,
Daryl Hall versus John Oates. It's

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not Daryl Hall and John Oates anymore. It's Daryl Hall versus John Oates.

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Yes, you know, it's it's
reading reading this and reading these articles and

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these quotes of them sniping at each
other. It's like some of you might

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relate to this. It's like to
me, it's like Lyne and bed at

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night. And hearing my parents argue. You know, for those of you

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who've experienced that when you're a kid, how awful that is. It's like

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that. It feels like that this
all went forward and said, it appears

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to me that John Oates intent has
become to burden and harass me without regard

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to my interests, as he has
excuse me as his business partner or the

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interest of woe. Woe of course
is whole Oates. Is it enterprises,

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yes, yes, whole Oates.
Yes, because they had an album Hollowoats

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had an album named whole Oates,
which that was very early in their career,

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and they chose that title with no
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clever, No, it's clever.
As a lifelong fan of Darryl holland John

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Oates, I am almost as horrified
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called whole Oats as I am at
the fact that they are getting this what

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Darryl Hall is termed a global divorce. Global because the whole world is talking

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about this, and uh, it's
very upsetting. You should have called it

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holloats hau just like one word why
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Oh, I think holl Oats is
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Now, So part of what is
so surprising about well, okay, I've

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been paying attention to uh to a. This is not let me put it

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this way, the fact that there's
some sort of issue between them, which

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there clearly is, and and it
seems to be business based, a professional

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business disagreement that seems to have become
personal. But there's there's much that we

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still don't know. But the fact
that there is any issue at all is

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not completely surprising to me. And
I'll tell you why, and I haven't

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Uh, I'm gonna just make up
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of hint at, but nothing.
I'm gonna go a little deeper on this

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because hopefully you're all as fascinated by
the drama of Daryl Hall and JOHNO says,

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I am. But a word for
that, the that the youth has

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yeah, spilling the tea, Oh, spilling the tea. I'm supposed to

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be gossip now, right, right
or not? What do you call it?

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I don't know. I I well, I don't drink tea, but

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if I if I did, I
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uh so I suppose this is apropos
which I think the young people also say

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that. I think I DJ reckless
saying that. The other day he said

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something about, oh, that's very
apropos So the young the young, the

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young people say that as well.
I believe I have observed over the past

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five or six years that Daryl Hall
has low key. They young people definitely

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say that has low key been disparaging
John Oates subtly and just a little bit

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here and there. Now people who
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to the Bill Maher podcast where Daryl
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like, I don't know, five
six months ago, he was on Bill

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Maher's podcast and Bill Maher brings up, you know, he's he's talking to

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Daryl Hall about his career and you
know, whether uh they're gonna make new

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music or they're just gonna keep touring
on the hits and whatnot. And uh,

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Bill Maher said something to him about
in terms of his decision making.

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He said something about, well,
but you have a partner, to which

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uh, Darryl Hall quickly replied,
you think John Oates is my partner?

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Bill Marri's reaction is like, WHOA, what have I stepped in here?

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And Daryl Hall goes on to say
that, uh, they're not they're not

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creative partners, and uh, they're
they're strictly business partners. And yes they

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made records together called Hall and Oates, but uh, but that doesn't mean

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but but even even on the records, they're very separate, and people are

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people are pointing to that, and
and did at the time saying why is

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he why is he talking about John
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like he's basically Daryl's basically making himself
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John Oates is just kind of this
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to Daryl's George Michaels and or is
it George Michael and you know, uh,

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and and then he kind of cleans
it up a little bit later in

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the podcast because Bill Maher comes back
to it and says, well, you

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know, when you're a fan of
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you like to like each other.
And at that point, Daryl clarifies,

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and he says, and keep in
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Daryl says, oh, no,
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friends. We're just we're not We're
just not creative partners like people think we

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are. John's really being very verbal
too. He's going out and talking to

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everybody. He told the Los Angeles
Trimes. Everything you do is just opposed

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against another person. Try doing that
sometime. I don't want to use the

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word emasculating, because that's mail,
but it takes away your individuality. I

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thought it was Daryl who said that. No, that was Hall Hall,

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Darryl Hall. No, Hall,
right, yeah, Daryl said that.

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Daryl Hall. What did I say? You said? John Oates, Oh,

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I'm sorry. Yeah. John isn't
saying as much as Daryl. Well,

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so Darrel is Daryl is going,
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he's talking to everybody I kept well
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that's what I mean. Though. Darryl

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for a while now, for about
five or six years, has been trying

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to kind of distance himself. And
I have a theory about this, and

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I found I found a podcast that
Daryl was on. This was a while

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ago, This was a couple of
years ago. I found a podcast interview

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that because you know, neither of
these guys really do a ton of interviews,

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but I found one from a number
of years ago where Darryl kind of

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strongly implied that some of those songs
that are credited where both he and John

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are credited as songwriters, it was
really mostly Darryl and that they were never

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creative equals and that it's more of
a ninety ten partnership. So he's been

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kind of disparaging John for a while. My understanding is the big thing about

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this, this is all about creative
control over their names, their music,

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things of that nature. But prior
to this lawsuit, Oates already sold a

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good chunk of his they both did
together, So there's a third already sold

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off part of their publishing. So
in it's this company, Prime Primary Wave.

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I think Hall is afraid that if
Oates sells his to this third party,

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now some third party has controlling ownership
over their entire catalog, their name,

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their everything. Well not only that, but according to Daryl Hall's attorneys,

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part of what is in their their
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In other words, Darryl is claiming
that John violated this confidentiality agreement by showing

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the business agreement that they have within
Whole Oats Enterprises. It's hard for me

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to even say that Hole oates the
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because you're not supposed to do that. So, uh, you're not supposed

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to do that without Hall approving it. And of them can do that without

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the other approving it, which seems
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and put a pause on the sale. But Darryl. The thing about Darryl

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is I have long held a theory, especially when I noticed Darryl I noticed

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something Geez. I noticed this years
and years ago. In fact, there

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is an album, I think it's
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last full length studio album of all
original material that Hall and Oates has ever

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put out, And I remember looking
Jesus must have been this was like fifteen

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years ago. It's been a long
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Daryl has said they don't have anything
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solo albums, but the last studio
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I love to look at liner notes
if it's an artist that I'm really interested

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in, and like I said,
I'm a big fan. And I remember

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looking at the liner notes and there's
a section where, you know, Darryl

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thanks. You know you'll see that
in albums. Darryl thanks these people,

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and John thanks these people. And
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Darryl thanks, he says something like
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and then he and then he lists
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noticed. I remember thinking, that's
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team and not our musical team.
That's a good point. And I remember

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noticing that. And and I think, if you looked at the part where

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John thanks everybody, he actually mentions
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John. My longstanding theory has been
that, uh and forgive the pop psychology

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here, but I think Darryl resents
I think he resents John Oates because I

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think Darryl likes to think of himself
as a solo artist. I think that's

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part of why he started Live at
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I love, you know, I
can I can get lost in watching

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those online. But I think that
I think that Daryl has always seen himself

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that way, and I think he
kind of resents, you know, when

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he does when he's done solo albums, Like I remember when I was a

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kid, he released a solo album
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Machine. There's a song called dream
Time, which was the first single,

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which was a pretty big hit,
but not on the scale necessarily of of

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what Hall and Oates has accomplished.
Hall and Oates together, they're the biggest

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selling duo in pop history, and
I think Darryl kind of resents being tied

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to John in that way. That's
so sad, Yeah it is. But

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that's my theory why because even in
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saw an interview that had resurfaced from
a couple of years ago where Daryl Hall

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is talking about Primary Wave owning the
publishing on a lot of their their material,

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and he refers to it as my
material. He doesn't say our material.

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He says, I don't like I
don't like this company that you know,

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it seemed like a good idea at
the time, but I don't like

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them owning all of my material.
You know. It's just he tends to

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talk like that. He tends to
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way. Of course, back in
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I've noticed that over the past five
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about himself, you know, unless
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he's a solo artist. The other
thing I will say is Darryl. Don't

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get me wrong, I love Daryl
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and the show Live at Darrel's House
is great and everything, but he has

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a reputation for being a little bit
of a diva, whereas John Oates has

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a reputation for just being the salt
of the earth. The only person I've

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ever seen say anything negative about John
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since this lawsuit was filed. Other
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bad thing about John Oates. I
also wonder is there some resentment on Darryl's

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part, because Darryl, if you
hear him now, he can't sing like

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he used to. And that's fine. He's seventy seven years old and your

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voice changes. But John Oates,
if you go online, let me put

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it this way, if you go
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recently, you might notice a change. He still sounds great, don't get

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me wrong, He's one of the
greatest singers ever. But he still sounds

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really good. Can't take that away
from him, but you can tell does

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a change. Right. But if
you go online and you find a show

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of a recent if you find a
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John Oates sounds incredible. And I
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singing out of Touch, you know, the song out of Touch, of

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John Oates singing it at one of
his solo shows, and somebody in the

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Uh it was like somebody read my
mind because somebody in the comments. I

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don't usually bother to look at the
comments, but for some reason on that

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one I did. Somebody actually comment
on the video. Wow, John sings

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better than Darryl now he used to
be the other way around. And uh

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so, I wonder if Darryl resents
John for that too, because John's John's

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voice has clearly not diminished, whereas
Darryl's has, and Hall is actually actively

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touring as a solo act. They
both are, Yeah, they both are

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well. Oates, Hall accuses Oates
of intentionally trying to sell this stuff now

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to disrupt and make his life difficult. I saw that he's doing this.

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He's creating on necessity. He said, uh not to mention unnecessary expense and

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burden during a time when I'm in
the middle of a tour through the US

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West Coast, Japan and Manila,
Manila, and need to focus and perform

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at a top level. I believe
that John Oates timed the unauthorized transaction to

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create the most harm to me.
Respectfully, he must be stopped from this

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latest wrongdoing and his malicious conduct reined
in once then for all. Wow wow,

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wow, No, that's hard.
We think these guys went to college

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together, they met at Temple University, they became a band of the nineteen

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seventies. All this time, but
they haven't done anything in nearly two nearly

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two decades from what I've been reading
up as far as like doing anything more,

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it's been well, they tour,
they've they've toured together. The last

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time they actually put anything out together
was It's been nearly twenty years since they've

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done that. But it's sad to
see this long relationship devolve into this.

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But I can't blame I'm I'm kind
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blame him for not wanting a third
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right, you know, of their
work. I can see why that

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would be. Really, I mean, what happens if they do it?

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Could Hall legally be prohibited from playing
music? No, No, it doesn't

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work that way, but it would
be. The Thing is, when somebody

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else owns your publishing, the publishing
rights to your music, and it's a

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big subject and I don't know all
the ins and outs of it. I

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only know a little bit, but
they decide how it's used. So let's

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say, whoever owns your publishing,
they want to sell your song to a

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car company to use in their commercial. Well, if you, as the

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artist who wrote and recorded that song, you know, if you own your

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publishing, you have a right to, you know, do whatever you want

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with it. But if somebody else
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to do whatever they want with it. Yep, some of these artists who

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are selling their publishing. Springsteen did
it. Neil Young did it. Neil

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Young claimed, though in his interview
you on Howard Stern that when he sold

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off his publishing because you know they're
cashing out. They're getting huge sums of

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huge lump sums of money to sell
off their publishing. Neil Young claims that

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in his agreement, I think it
was Neil Young who said this, or

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maybe it was David Crosby before he
died, said that in their agreement they

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still have veto power over how their
music is used, although that's not how

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it's supposed to work. So I
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was true. But yeah, so
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is going to be used. And
and uh, if if it's true that

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John Oates violated that confidentiality agreement,
then that's a problem. Absolutely. I

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tend to be on team Oates though, team John because uh well, first

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of all, the mustache, oh
come on, truly one of the great

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mustache no, listen, listen,
that is John Oates in the eighties.

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For you, you young gus who
might not know, you'll have to go

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back and look. Go to Google
images, type in John Oates. He

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had a mustache that rivaled Tom Selleck. Uh who else? It is a

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very Wilford Brimley. Yes, yes, it is not a reason, I

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do not believe. And it inspired
and it inspired a cartoon J Stash.

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Really yeah, I don't real,
No, for real, there's a if

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you if you go on YouTube and
look up J Stash, it's really funny.

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Is it just the Stash or is
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thing. You gotta you gotta see
it. It's really funny. When you

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had a chance, go on YouTube
and look up J Stash cartoon. It's

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really funny. It's really funny.
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whole thing, and he was involved
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it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, this was like fifteen years ago.

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Maybe it didn't go anywhere though,
unfortunately. But no, I mean just

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on just based on reputation, I
mean, uh, you know, John

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sounds like the much nicer person just
generally. I do find it hard to

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believe that he's doing any of this
out of malice to Daryl Hall. But

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again, I mean legally, if
he's not supposed to share any confidential business

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information with Primary Wave and he did
that, uh then uh, you know,

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it's hard not to be on team
Darryl, I suppose. But Daryl

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does have a rep for being a
bit of a diva. I wonder did

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he I mean, did he did
he have like a first ride, a

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refusal or anything like that, you
know what I mean? Like, was

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there any effort to let him buy
his himself instead of selling it to the

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third party? Yeah, I don't
know that would make sense to me.

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Like first, hey, buddy,
do you want it? You know,

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I'll sell it to you. I
don't want it anymore. I want the

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money I'll sell to you. Yeah. But yeah, there's I mean,

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there's a lot that we still don't
know, but more details keep trickling out.

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What we do know is their their
relationship feels like it's irretably they've lost

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that love and feeling. Yes,
whoa that love and feeling? What's your

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favorite tar home? Jronald's song?
Uh? You know it kind of changes.

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I mean I think probably out of
Touch is the one that I've listened

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to the most over the course of
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which at one point was famously banned
here at WM and H. Yeah,

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Peter did that. Peter White,
Uh, not a family not a fan

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of Family Man. I'll tell you
it was a whole thing, you know

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what. I we had a lot
of long, long time listeners might know

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about that. It's a lot to
it's a lot to explain. It was

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a whole bit that we It was
one of those bits that sort of enveloped

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both this show and the Morning Show, and we had a lot of fun

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with it. It was a number
of years ago now, But my one

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regret about that, I wish that
it all happened around April first of that

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year, because I would have loved
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joke, come in to do my
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hours. I think that would have
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didn't work out. It wasn't during
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that that all happened. But we
had a lot of fun the famous family

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Man saga. But the other thing
about this is I remember within the last

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year reading an interview with John Oates
before all of this happened, where somebody

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asked him about, you know,
do you guys ever fight, you guys

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ever argue and disagree over anything?
And he said, and Daryl Holland had

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said this too in the past,
that the two of them in their five

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decades of working together, had never
had an actual argument. How can they

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be so distant now? Then?
I know, I don't buy it.

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Come on, oh, that they'd
never had an argument? Yeah, I

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mean, I'm sure they had disagreements, but but yeah, they both claimed

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that they'd never like actual yelled at
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or slamming doors or anything like that. I could see that. I could

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see that. But it's just it
stinks that they're so far apart from one

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another now. And then what happens
if it is allowed to be sold to

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the third party? Does that mean
that third party will have the control over

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everything because it's not it. This
is their name, their logo, their

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music, it's everything about them.
Yeah yeah, jeez. You know what's

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really sad too, is is this
how they want to go out? I

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mean yeah, I mean just on
a you know, putting everything else aside,

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just on a human level. I
mean, Darryl Hall is seventy seven

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years old, Johnois is seventy five, and this is how it's gonna do

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it from nineteen seventy this is how
it's gonna end. That that part is

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heartbreaking to me. It is horrible
it is horrible. You know, all

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that success, the biggest selling duo
of all time, and this is how

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it's gonna end. And they like
the nice guys in music, right,

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They're the guys that you'd want to
go listen to and relax and have fun

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and jokerund they were the happy guys. Yeah, it's hard to see these

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two like happy guys not so happy
is you know? Watching them growing up?

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Their music, I mean it was
it was always good music. It

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was you know, it wasn't like, oh I kill something, it's it

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was always good music, happy music, you know, loving music. And

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they always seemed to be those those
people. It's hard to see them in

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this really negative, nasty light.
Yeah, where they're just at each other's

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throats, trying to hurt each other
basically. Yeah, maybe they stayed together

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too long, maybe and grew to
resent each other. Those people do that

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relationships I've had. I had a
relationship too long. So yeah, you

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sent me an article here from grunge
dot com. Oh I about this and

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well or actually he also put it
in the chairman. I clicked it and

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just kind of scrolling down. Yeah, this one just came out, this

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article I just sent you from grunge. Yeah, literally just came out within

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a few hours. So it talks
a lot about their career and whatnot,

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but then it is scrolling down to
the part where it talks about what's happened

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recently. It says here, Daryl
Hall also seemed to resent, and that's

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the word that I used. I
think he resents John Oates. He seemed

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to resent what his partnership with John
Oates represented. He told the La Times,

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quote, everything you do is juxtaposed
against another person. Try doing that

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sometime. I don't want to use
the word emasculating, because that's mail,

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but it takes away your individuality unquote. Hal's annoyance at his lack of individuality

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could be why he hasn't worked together
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He once again mentioned Oates on an
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That's what I was talking about earlier, saying, quote, he is my

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business partner, he's not my creative
partner. We made records called Hall and

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Oates together, but we've always been
very separate, and that's a really important

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thing for me. Unquote. Oates
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In twenty twenty three, he told
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we have both grown apart professionally and
personally. I think we both want to

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do something else unquote. Then in
November twenty twenty three, Hall filed the

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lawsuit against Oates. As reported,
the lawsuit falls under the contract debt category,

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and it says no further details have
been released, but obviously something's happening

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out now. There is a temporary
restraining lay preventing the sale from occurring.

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Yeah, that was a weird thing
too, because when this story first broke,

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everybody was like, oh, everybody
was like, you got a restraining

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order against John Oates? Does he
think John Oates is gonna come beat him

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up? And I remember reading that
and thinking, no, I think the

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restraining you know, our restraining order
legally, I mean, I'm not a

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legal expert, but it has other
applications, like you're trying to prevent somebody

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from doing something, which is exactly
what this restraining order is about, trying

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to prevent John Oates from completing this
what has been deemed an unauthorized transaction.

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People. Yes, it's in regards
to some kind of violence, domestic violence

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or something like that, right,
exactly necessarily, you know, but it

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applies in a lot of places.
But yeah, he so he cannot they

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cannot go forward with the sale until
this is resolved in court, or until

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the judge says to heck with it
and lifts the restraining order. But I

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don't see that happening. I think
this is going to be a long drawn

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out court battle, which is sad
to say, but I think that's exactly

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what we're what we're looking at.
But uh, it's funny too, with

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the restraining order thing. And like
I said, I I kind of sense

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that everyone was taking that the wrong
way. But I also remember too,

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just coincidentally, this was from I'd
seen the clip on YouTube. This would

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have been from, jeez, I
don't know, at least fifteen years ago.

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But Darryl Hall, he was a
guest on the Howard Stern Show.

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And you know how Howard is,
He's always trying to trying to find the

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dirt and always trying to be a
little provocative, and he was asking Darryl,

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well, how come your partner's not
here with you today? You don't

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like him, do you? I
bet you guys argue all the time,

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right, because you're the talented one
and he's just kind of the hanger on.

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And at that time, though,
Daryl was like sticking up for John,

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and he was like, John's written
a lot of our hit songs,

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but John. Darryl also made a
comment, Oh, because Howard asks Darryl,

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but you could take him in a
fight, right, you know,

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you're taller, so you've got reach
on him. You could take him in

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a fight. And Darryl says something
about, well, you know, John

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was a wrestler in college, he
was on the wrestling team. He could

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probably kick my ass. So I
just so I thought of that when I

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first saw about the restraining order.
It's like, oh, maybe Darryl really

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is afraid of John Oates. But
no, no, I would be afraid

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of the mustache because that could be
a sentient being, much like AI could

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be someday. But uh, yeah, it's uh, the whole thing is

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just just very sad, very sad
it is. But I mean it's a

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huge issue. It's it's a lifetime
of work, a ginormous catalog. Isaac

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Banks says in the chat room that
his favorite song is Private Eyes by Holland

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Oates. Yes, do you think
do you. Uh, there's someone that

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claims to have a list here of
Daryl Hall's five favorite Holland Oates songs.

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You get one if you can guess. Well, I don't know if Daryl

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feels this way, but I've heard
John Oates say in multiple interviews. Oh

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wait, no, I'm sorry it
was Daryl who said this. So She's

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Gone has to be on the list
because Darryl has said in interviews that that

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is the best song that he and
John Oates ever wrote together. Is is

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She's Gone? First? The first
one on the list was She's Gone?

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Yeah, yeah, you want to
take a stab at any of the others?

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What? What else? Uh?
His favorite? Uh? Yeah,

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it's hard to guess his favorite Wait
for Me, maybe because he likes to

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really milk that one when they do
it live. Oh god, I can't

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go for that. Nope, I
don't know. I give up it.

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They've got so much so the winning
the winning songs are one on one okay,

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uh, you make My dreams?
Yeah, every time you go away

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Sarah smiles, Sarah smile, Yeah, Sarah smile smile. Sorry I pluralized

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it. And then She's Gone.
Those were the five songs listed as Daryl

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Hall's favorite Holland Oats songs, Ah
does that surprise you? And no no,

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uh every time you go away.
By the way, for anyone who

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doesn't remember that song, you might
uh remember Paul Young's version of it.

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Paul Young in the eighties did a
cover of that and had a huge hit.

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But that was actually a Hall and
Oates song originally. And there I

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don't did they ever actually record their
Yeah, they must have recorded their version,

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but there's also a live version.
They also did it when they did

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the live at the Apollo. They
performed that live and uh, I prefer

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I prefer Darryl seeing it. Isaac
Banks says in The Shaman, my favorite

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song is I Can't go for that
No can do by Hall and Oates.

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His he keeps changing his mind,
he said, he said, yeah,

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he said before it was Private Eyes. I wonder about this company, Primary

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Wave, Like, how many catalogs
do they own? Makes you wonder probably

410
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quite a few. Were kind of
a collection they've got going. Yeah,

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yeah, it's big business. I'm
curious. I wonder if I can find

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out any more about them. But
a lot of these artists are cashing out

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and just selling off their publishing.
Oh boy. They also own Ray Charles,

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Bob Marley, Whitney Hughes, Bert
Batarac, Smokey Robertson and the Fourth

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Seasons to name a few. Yeah, since twenty sixteen, apparently they Yeah,

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they're out there. Well, it's
a very lucrative part of music that

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doesn't get talked about that much publicly. Is all the royalty and the right

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side of it. Well, you
know what the most infamous in the in

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modern musical history. You know what, the most infamous example is right of

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somebody purchasing somebody's publishing Prince what do
you mean, prince when he changed his

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name? Oh no, no,
no no, When somebody purchasing the rights

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the publishing rights to somebody else's music. When Michael Jackson bought the Beatles,

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you got it? Ha ha,
yep, yep. And who owns that

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now? Because Michael passed away,
do his kids own it or did they

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sell it? I wonder they might? Yeah, because he literally went up

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against ruined it ruined their friendship.
Paul McCarthy wanted to buy the rights to

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his own music and Michael Jackson,
I'll bit him, yep. Was it

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wasn't it a Southerbys or something it
was. It was some kind of oxygen.

429
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Yeah. Yeah, well because hi, but you didn't think I'd guess

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it. Huh yeah, uh,
Paul. Paul McCartney was very bitter over

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that because he because he thought he
thought Michael Jackson was kidding. You know,

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they had had a hit song with
say and didn't they do? They

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have two hit songs together that they
did. But uh. Paul McCartney talks

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about a conversation he had had with
Michael Jackson where Michael Jackson said told him

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he was going to buy he was
going to buy his songs, he was

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going to buy the publishing of the
Beatles, and McCartney thought he was kidding,

437
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and then it happened, and uh, I think that. I don't.

438
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I don't know if they ever spoke
to each other again, well,

439
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I wouldn't want to. Yeah.
Regard to me, my buddy, how

440
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do you run? Do you buy
my music out from under me? That's

441
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crazy, it is, it's crazy. But you know, companies like Primary

442
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Wave cat they're getting quite the catalog. So yeah, I don't know how

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I feel about that. I like
artists owning their own stuff, you know.

444
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But yeah, but if they want
to sell it, sell it.

445
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Yeah, it's just I don't know. I think John Oates is saying it,

446
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I'm going to cash out, you
know. I mean again, these

447
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guys are you know, it's not
like he's going to pass it down,

448
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you know what I mean? Like, well, well, yeah, no

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he could. I mean, but
it's not like there's going to be any

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more creativity coming out of it.
I think, is where I'm kind of

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trying to go from. It's like, you know, when these guys are

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gone, it's gone. It's over. It doesn't continue. So maybe he

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just wants to put a put a
period in it and walk away. Yeah,

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but I don't blame Hall for being
worried about somebody else having the right

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to do sell chicken to their music, right. Yeah. Trying to think

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of what what Hall and Oats song
would go well in a KFC ad,

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but nothing comes to mind. Uh. I can't go for that, No,

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because because they want you to buy
their chicken, you to go for

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it. Yeah, yeah, they
can't do that. I won't go for

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it. Maybe wait for me,
you think, yeah, because you know,

461
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if you're saying, oh you're going
to KFC, wait for me,

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Wait for me, please, I
want some of that fried chicken. No,

463
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no, no, I can't sing
it like Daryl Hall does. Of

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course, Daryl Hall can't sing it
like Daryl Hall does either anymore. But

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John oatescan and Darryl resents that apparently
deal. There will be more to come

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00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,960
out of these two. I suspect
that this is not going to be a

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quickly resolved issue. I see this
being ugly long court battle. Yeah,

468
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it's very sad. It comes out
with no winners, very sad. It's

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a shame. Come on, can't
we all get get along Kumbaya moment?

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Well, dang it, there's our
dang it, there's our eulogy for the

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great uh Daryl Hall team of Darryl
Hall and John Oates. All right,

472
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we got a oats you love it? I love it? I don't all

473
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it's the worst album, worst album
title ever. It's their company name too.

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By the way, have you ever
noticed some of their albums, They

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they don't even say Some of them
say Daryl Hall and John Oates, some

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of them don't. Some of them
say Daryl Hall, John Oates, without

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the without the end. I wonder
if that's Darryl's doing. Maybe that was

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when the split started. Did you
figure out when that was? What year?

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Did they drop the end well or
did they ever use the end again?

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After what it? It came and
went like, I'm looking at the

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cover of H two O and it
just says Daryl Hall John Oates. But

482
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that was an early one because we
are going to close with a Family Man,

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which, Oh, I'm looking at
the same cover which was on the

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al there's another one that has a
plus sign. Oh really, yeah,

485
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I'm looking at the cover of the
single for Family Man. It just says

486
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Darryl Hall John Oates says, no
end or plus or is that the one

487
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that has like the yellow and red
star behind it? There's no star,

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but I don't know anyway, it
doesn't matter. We gotta go