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Hey, welcome everybody. It is
that time again, Happy Monday. It's

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Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live
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contact and folk show archives, etcetera, etcetera. Today is Monday, May

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eight, twenty twenty three, and
I'm not alone. Hello, darlings.

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Jenny is here at the news desk. I am present on this glorious day.

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Yes, the fun is shining.
Yeah nice. We're having some very

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nice weather. Oh and it's supposed
to be here all week. Very got

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very windy out though, I don't
mind a little breeze. Very windy downtown.

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Well that's because we have the tunnel. Yes, the wind tunnel.

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Yes, that is that is true. Um. Coming up on the show

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today in the second hour, we're
gonna be joined by members of the band

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BS Deluxe. Do you know?
Do you know? How many are coming

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in or do you not there?
They sent us a bunch of songs.

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Yes, yes, but they're uh, they're they're not strictly an American band.

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They're British slash American. So it'll
be fun a little international flavor,

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if you will. Mm. So
we get international flavor, but we don't

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often get it in studio. Yes, yes, so that'll be nice.

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So that'll be coming up in the
second hour today on the program. I

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like their sound. I'm looking forward
to it. Oh, absolutely absolutely.

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Um. Also, just a little
programming note, um so uh, because

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we're not going to run it on
the show today as as originally promised,

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but I did share it out on
social media and it's up on the Matt

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Connerton Unleashed I'm sorry, Matt Connerton
dot com. Rather, but we also

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shared it out on social media.
So the um Eric Pilcher's classic film review

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that we were supposed to run Friday
and then Eric had to delay it to

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today. We just I did not
to run it on the show, but

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but it is online. The reason
for this, and it's actually the first

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time that we've run into this and
I had to kind of break it to

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Eric last night. But he was
very, very professional and as I knew,

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he would be in very understanding about
the quandary I found myself in.

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But the film that Eric had chosen
for this particular review was American Pie and

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uh, the nineteen ninety nine film
starring Tara Reid and uh, I can't

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even remember that. Jason Biggs and
whoever else is in it, I don't

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know. I can't remember name any
of the other names, but um,

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And you know, it's funny.
When I saw that on the on the

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list, I had some ambivalence about
it. I was like, hmmm,

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I don't know. And then I
thought, well, you know, he's

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he's reviewed other sort of what you
would call coming of age, teenage,

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high school uh uh films before and
it's never been a problem, you know,

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like uh fast Times at Ridgemont High
for example. But but something in

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the back of my mind was a
little concern. And I had seen the

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movie, but I had seen it
like back when it came out American Pie.

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Yeah, it's okay, it's not. I don't think it's as great

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as people make it out to be. I never did, but and I

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didn't see it in the theater,
but I saw it on DVD eventually,

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so maybe not when it first came
out, but a couple of years after

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it might have been. There's a
whole series of them. There's like four

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of them. I think I only
saw the first one. But it's okay.

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Um, there's a there's a very
famous scene in the film that people

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talk about. But anyway, but
something in the back of my mind said,

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m this one might be a problem. But no, I'm sure it'll

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be fine, and uh, you
know, Eric sends me the review and

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then of course I listened to it
and I if there's anything in it that

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I am not comfortable with going out
on the air on the show, I

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just set it it out myself.
So I sometimes, although it's rare that

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I have to do that, but
occasionally I'll trim something down, you know,

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like if, for example, if
it's a violent scene in a film

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where there's you hear the sound of
gunfire and it goes on for a while,

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I'll actually trim that down, like
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the gunfire in it so you hear
it so you get the gist of what's

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happening. But if it's like,
you know, three minutes of people shooting

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at each other. It's like,
ah, I cut it down, you

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know, just so I'll make little
edits. But when I got the American

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Pie review so again, I remembered
it as being one of those coming of

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age high school movies. I had
completely forgotten what the specific premise of the

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film is and the pact that these
male high school students made. And and

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then I'm I'm like, okay,
so, and then I'm I'm listening to

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the review and I find myself editing
like little bits of dialogue out of some

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of the scenes. I was like, jeez, I don't know, like

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there's no there's no swears. But
it was uncomfortable enough, but it was

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it was like, yeah, I
think this might be a little much.

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And then I found myself I was
editing so much. I was like,

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well, this scene ends up being
meaningless with all that I'm taking out.

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So finally I just uh. I
messaged Derek online. I said, I'm

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sorry to do this to you,
man. I know you work hard on

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these, but I'm really uncomfortable with
this one. If if, um,

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you know, if we were on
at night, you know, if instead

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of four to six, we were
on, you know, I don't know,

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eight to ten or nine to eleven
or something. It would have been

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fine, but for afternoon drive.
I just imagine somebody, you know,

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driving in their car listening to the
show, taking their high school daughter to

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soccer practice or something, and hearing
the review and I was like, ah,

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I don't know, I think this
one might be a little much.

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I mean, you know, there
was no again, no real inappropriate language

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or anything in it, but just
but the concepts. I was like,

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this might be this might be a
little much, so too much on you.

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Yeah, so I should have And
by the way, I take responsibility

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for this because and I told this
to Eric, I said, when I

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first saw that on his list,
you know, because he usually sends me

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a list of what he has coming
up. When I first saw it,

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I felt a little bit like,
m I don't know about that one.

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I should have. I should have, you know. And then I just

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kind of shrugged it off, like
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but I should have thought that through
a little bit more. And he apologized

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and he said he should have thought
it through more too, and I said,

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no, no, no, it's
on me. I could have said

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something. And fairness though, we're
having an awakening when it comes to this

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kind of stuff in our society.
I think things that were acceptable when we

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were kids are no longer acceptable for
good reason. Yeah, for good reason.

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So sometimes I'm not surprised when something
pops up and we think, oh,

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yeah, that's that's really bad,
bad taste. I don't want to

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encourage ex behavior. Well, I
don't think having having integrity, journalistic interogrity

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is a good quality. Yeah,
I mean, I don't think there's anything

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you know, it's just a silly
comedy. I think it's fine. I

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don't. I don't think the film
is in bad taste. I'm not making

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any say it was a bad taste. That's not what I meant. I

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mean that we're gonna have stuff like
this come up there. We're acceptable when

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we were kids, but they're not
acceptable now. Yeah. Well, I

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don't. I don't think the film. I don't think the film is any

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less acceptable now than it was then. I mean, geez, look what

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we saw in that television series we
were watching last night, that Pete Davidson.

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That was pretty that was pretty edgy. Yeah, that was definitely edgy.

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Yeah, So we weren't encouraging young
people to do high school students.

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Sure go yeah, sure, um
no, but I don't. I don't

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think of it that way in this
case. I just thought of it as

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some of this dialogue. I was
like, this might be a little much

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for Afternoon Drive, you know,
like I said, if we were on

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at night, that'd be different.
But so but you know, I mean,

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it's a great review. Eric does
a great job. It is a

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very popular segment on the show.
So if you do want to hear it,

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it is online and available. And
like I said, I did share

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it out on social media and it's
on my website as well. And uh,

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and of course he will resume his
schedule his regular schedule of reviews this

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Friday. So so so if you
want to check that out. But I

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believe our friend EASYG is on the
line. Hello, Yeah, I have

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to agree. I've seen a movie
too. Is kind of yeah, probably

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not the best of the showing in
four to six range, you know what

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I'm saying. Yes, I did
agree with that. Anyway, it's about

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wrestling now you're you're wrestling, Um, uh yeah, you know about wrestling

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now. Ums, I've been sick
man, you know. Comment, Um,

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that one the one to what this
is going to be a belt just

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for Raw. So they'll do tonight, They're gonna you know, triple threat

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match, and then that guy will
go on to the tournament on the twenty

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sevens. We don't really want to
talk about, but it's you know,

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overseas and then and then three guys
are gonna go and SmackDown and then that

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guy's going to go to the uh
the finals against the guy from SmackDown,

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I mean, a guy from Raw, which doesn't make any sense, right,

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if they're gonna have it of a
raw belt, why do they Gus

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went SmackDown, He's lost. So
in other words, what Easy is saying

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is the the tournament. I know
what he's saying, the tournament for the

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world, the new World Championship that's
supposed to be exclusive to Monday Night Raw.

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Yes, part of the part of
that tournament is taking place on SmackDown.

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So that's a little goofy. Yeah, you know, I got to

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agree with you there. Yeah,
I'll tell you what though, it's hard

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to argue with success. I mean, they're that company is having uh it's

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probably the hottest it's been in twenty
years, and w is going overseas and

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duets tournament there. I mean to
a show in London or someplace overseason.

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They're still like a ton of tickets. Yeah, they're aw doing pretty good

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too, Yeah they are. They
have a show in August at Wembley Stadium

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and it's up to I think I
think they've passed seventy thousand tickets for Wembley

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Stadium. Yeah. The wrestling business
is probably the healthiest it's been in two

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decades. It's it's huge right now. Oh, it's really amazing. It's

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good to see as I watch you
last on Saturdays and I finished on Sunday,

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and I a question for you that
rock Lesner Matt so I do Cordy

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always had to win that because they
don't want me to look like closing when

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he lost to uh, the head
of the table, Roman Rains. I

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knew it was going to win,
but it was a match. It was

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during the match that the turn buckle
you know, was gone, and then

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um uh yeah, brock Lesner hit
it. And I don't know if it

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was real blood because the show Blood
on on WWE, but maybe it was

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because with pay per view, And
do you think that was really blood or

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was something else? Probably really blood. He real blood. He probably really

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cut himself. But from what I
read today online it was intentional. Jenny

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and I were wondering about that while
we were watching the event. But from

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Onloo on w W anymore, Well, I guess with pay per view,

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right, so different. The thing
is, well, the thing is,

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uh, from what I read online, part of why they might have done

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that, why they might have made
an exception and done blood, is there's

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a that's a bit of a tradition
in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is known

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for blood, bloody wrestling matches,
so that might have been kind of Yeah,

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so that might have been why they
tried to why they decided to do

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that there. Yeah, historically,
Yeah, knew it was super because he

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wasn't gushing. If he'd actually slammed
his head there, and really it would

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it would have been a nice gusha. Yeah, nothing bleeds good like the

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head m Yes, as we all
know, I have a feeling I'm a

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feeling that Roman Roman, the h
Cody Rose is gonna win that belt.

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I ever feeling. Oh I hope
not. It'll feel like a consolation prize.

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He needs to beat Roman Range.
Yeah, yeah, I say,

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I don't know, if he doesn't
get the belt, who are they gonna

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put it on Broglesner? Maybe it
could be. Did you watch Backlash?

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What about Osmos almost almost south Rollins
actually got a good match out of the

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guy. Yeah he did. Yeah, what's up with that guy? You

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know, he keeps getting these big
titles, he keeps getting these big matches,

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and you know they're gonna lose.
I mean, is gonna lose.

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You know, I always say the
bigger they are, the bigger they fall,

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right. Really, yes, he
he never lost for years and years

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and years, but there's really no, there's really no there's really no reason

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why you would lose. Eric Pilcher
in the chat room says Puerto Rico,

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home of the greatest pro wrestling miscarriage
of justice ever. I assume he's referring

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to the murder of Burder Bruiser Brody. But we'll ask him when he calls.

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He's trying, he's gonna call in
after you. Eric the Bruiser Brody.

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That's where he was murdered in Puerto
Rico in a locker room. M

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hmm. Sorry, you don't know
that, you don't know that story.

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Yeah, Bruiser Brody, he was
more he was look it up. Look

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it up. Yeah, he was
murdered in a wrestling in a locker room

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at a wrestling event. Oh that's
not good. No, no, not

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normally generally murder, Yeah, yeah, murder is usually bad. Okay,

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it's bad. Did it catch the
guy? No? I think it's uh.

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I think it's a situation where everyone
kind of knows who did it,

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but it was never Uh, he
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I don't know if he was even
charged. Wow, what was the

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rustle? His name? I believe
it was the promoter who was running the

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event. I don't remember all the
particulars though. There's several different there's several

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different stories about what went on,
and and it's hard to even know what

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the truth is. I know Tony
Atlas, Oh, this would have been

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in the seventies. Yeah, the
oh yeah, they brought back that guy,

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you know, the Apple guy last
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I know why you brought him back
for his grosses this day and age,

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you know, Carlito, it clicks. I don't know why he brought came

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back. This has s been somebody's
face. I thought that was dumb because

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it was cool because it was in
Puerto Rico. You'd be you don't like

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people's face too. Carlito is Puerto
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That's why they brought him in.
I didn't know that. Yes,

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yeah, you just don't like it
when anybody from the past comes forward.

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You always have like nothing nice to
say. It's true, it is.

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He's a meanie. He's a yeah, don't be agist. He's a big

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agist, Martin, Are you such
an agist? Easy? I don't know.

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But the oldest all that pay of
view, I didn't think was that

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good. Oh, I thought it
was excellent all. I thought it was

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greatly Yeah, you watched the same
thing. My opinion wasn't wasn't that good?

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That's my opinion. Belt change,
well you do it from we knew.

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Yeah, the you know they weren't
in the looser belt there, the

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est and then the other lady that
you do their first title defense. You

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they were going to take our belt
off. Oh rihah ripley. Yeah,

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yeah, true. She was the
first tittle offense. You know. It's

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like when when the guy, the
guy from the e w there he put

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his first belt on the line,
Well, he doesn't do it very often,

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but he knew there wasn't gonna lose
the first title defense on the pay

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of view jaff Yeah, it was
his first title ofvent. You knew he

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wasn't gonna lose. No, he'll
keep that belt for a long time.

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The triple be you call it the
eest like you're saying for the longest time.

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And rock Less and they're both they're
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but we'll see what happens to uh
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Roman, him and um one other
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the triple tart match. I don't
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don't see why they would be.
Why do you think that? Because they

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planted on a good show last night
and eventually they're gonna put the belt on

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Roam, gonna put the belt on
forty Roads. But why would they be

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in a triple threat match? I
don't even understand. Because Monday night and

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they're gonna have a triple tart match
and the winner goes to the uh that

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event on the overseason. Oh you're
saying, oh, okay, I got

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you that Champions, So you're saying
Cody Roads and brock Lesner will be part

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of the triple thread match. I
get it, I think, so,

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yoh, why not? I don't
know the other guy's gonna be why not?

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Why not? Yeah? What?
Anyways? Overall, I thought I

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thought the payview wasn't the best.
Well, we thought it was talking all

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right, bye bye, all right, lamb that door. I went,

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I'm out of here. We we
enjoyed the pay per view, but Eric,

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but it wasn't pay per view.
Well, I'm sorry, Premium live

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event is what they call it now. I'm still used to calling a pay

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per view. Oh I I just
it just dawned on me that we paid

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for that. That's what, and
that's what. Well, that's yeah,

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and that's what they used to call
those papers. Yell right over my head.

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Phone line is open, Eric Pilcher, if you'd like to call in

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at six three two five O six
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trying to call one what's up?
Still one line? It would be fun

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to have more than one line.
I want to bring a bunch of people

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on air. That would be fun. No, wouldn't it be probably?

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Yeah? Probably not well annoying,
wouldn't wouldn't be uh, it might not

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be fun. We should say hello
everybody in the Facebook live chat. Oh,

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actually, we'll go ahead and grab
this call. Hello sir, Good

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afternoon, Matt and Jenny. How
are you good? How are you ducky

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Oh I'm doing well. Um.
I just wanted to take this opportunity to

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apologize on air. No no,
no, no, no no no.

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You do not owe anyone an apology. Well, yeah I do, because

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because you know, I should have
went with my gut when I was watching

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it, and are so many like
things that I mean, I still laughed

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at it, but at the same
time, Jenny brought up a very good

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point was acceptable in nineteen ninety nine. Now there are some things there that

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you're like, oh, well it's
funny. Yeah. I I should have

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pumped the brakes on it too and
been like, hey, Matt, uh

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we need a point and b well, it's all good. It's all good,

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Like I said, I mean,
I posted it, I shared it

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out and it's on the website and
so people can people can give it a

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listen. I thought it was an
excellent review. Um yeah, yeah,

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I mean, And that's the thing
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just like, because in media there's
always this thing when something like this occurs,

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and I've seen it where the audience
thinks that, oh, the creator

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has an issue with the person who
said we're moving it here, and I

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wanted to take the opportunity to say, absolutely not. I totally understand and

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it makes perfect sense. Yeah,
yeah, No, I knew you would.

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You were. You were very cool
and professional about it when I when

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I expressed my concern, which I
knew you would be, so no,

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it's all good. Yeah. I
I was just like, oh yeah,

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and I loved what you said that
sometimes when you're a creator, you you

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have to take a risk, and
yeah, you do, but let it

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be a calculated one, right right, And this like I should have listened

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to my gut when after I watched
it Tuesday nine, I was like,

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this is going to be a tough
one because this isn't just simple naughty words

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that you're editing out. This is
other things that you're cutting and yeah,

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yeah, well so yeah, I
I just wanted it to be publicly known.

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I totally agree with the decision.
It makes perfect sense, And next

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time I will listen to my somewhat
large stomach when it says hey, let's

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let's pull off. Well. By
the way, if it makes you feel

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any better, Art and Love,
who I strongly suspect is from Greensboro,

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North Carolina. In the chat room, says Eric. We say that's okay.

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We heard the man said, so
there you go. The man,

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well, I appreciate that, thank
you, and I would never want to

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do anything to jeopardize what I have
being able to contribute to your show and

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WMMA, oh my gosh, oh
of course. Yeah. Oh and by

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the way too, we did have
some American Pie on the show recently anyway,

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because we played President is it soon
from South Korea when he performed part

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of American Pie at the White House
during his visit. Oh the Don McLean

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song lovely just what the world needs
right now. Oh it's actually pretty,

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it's actually pretty cool. It sounds
like you didn't see it. No,

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I did not like working eleven thirty
two eight. Now I'm pretty much out

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of a loop until I get home. Yeah, yeah, and digest everything.

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But working in a retention department for
a cable company, there are things

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you choose just not to look at
because you're like so wiped. When you

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get home, you're like, okay, let's watch something stupid. Oh look,

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two and a half Memory Runs are
on. Now, why aren't you

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at work right now? I'm on
launching lunch. You're spending your lunch your

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thoughts. That's so sweet. Yeah, well, I I wanted to kind

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of chime in and get let it
be known that I do apologize for it.

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It should have thought better of it. And yeah, yeah, well,

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like I said, accepted, but
also completely unnecessary. No, no

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worries. I know it was.
I would sate was unnecessary, but to

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me it was, oh, all
right, well it's all good. And

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what's the uh I don't have in
front of me? What's the review for

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Friday? Yet? I don't have
the schedule raining day? Oh yes,

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yes, yes, I love that
movie. Probably the movie that changed everyone's

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opinion of Denzel Washington. I mean, because really, until that point,

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he had only played good guys.
That's true, that's true. Yeah,

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that was a guy that you could
be emotionally vested in. Yeah, that's

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that's true. And then he plays
this cop and just does an amazing job

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with it. And yeah, I
mean, Ethan Hawke ended up winning.

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I believe he won the Academy Award. For Best Supporting Actor for that film,

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and it's like, without Denzel,
he doesn't win. Whatua Oh yeah,

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I mean Ethan hawk Is is very
good in it, but yeah,

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Denzel, I mean it's Denzel's movie, and yeah, he is. He

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is truly remarkable and he's one of
my favorite actors anyway. He's just one

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of those Oh you can't take your
eyes off of him when he's on the

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screen, you know, he is
also so he does such a great job

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navigating through political stuff too, and
doesn't do it in a way where he's

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blowing off the question, yeah,
but does it in a way that makes

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you think, Like there's this video
of him online where someone brings up,

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how did you decide to direct Fences
because only a black person could direct Fences?

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And he goes, No, anyone
could have directed it. He goes,

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You've got to understand there's a difference
between race and culture. And he

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does such an amazing job of putting
it in perspective where he's like, could

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someone else have directed Good Fellas?
Yeah, they could have, but would

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it have been as good as Martin
Scorsese doing it? No? Why?

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Because that's Martin's culture, right,
right, that's what he was around.

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So there's more that they can add
when it's culture. Yeah, he really

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challenged the person asking the question to
think outside the box right on what they

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believed, right right. It's an
amazing video. When I get back to

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my work desk, I will find
it and send it to you. Yeah,

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I'd be curious to see it.
Is really it made me. It

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made me think, yeah, like
and then you're like, he's really a

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million percent accurate on this. Yeah, yeah, please, yeah, send

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me that. I'd like to check
that out. Yeah. He and he

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does stuff like that all the time. Yeah, he doesn't. It's just

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so awesome how he does it.
Like it's not condescending, it's not rude,

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but you're like, you learn something, And I've learned something from every

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interview I've seen of him, by
the way, and what in the guts

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he showed when they filmed American Gangster. He the Frank Lucas, the guy

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he played in that movie what was
a drug kingpin murdered people? Denzel Washington

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sat across from him in a room
at a table and said, I will

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not glorify you. I think you're
a horrible human being, but I am

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doing this role so the glorification of
people like you will end. You have

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the moral fiber to talk to someone
like Frank Lucas like that, right,

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Like I've never I've never heard of
anyone talking to a reputed gangster like that,

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right right, And Denzel did it. Yeah. Um. By the

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way, Art and Love said in
the chat room, we say, Denzel

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Washington is a good actor. He
did good movies. Hashtag Matt and hashtag

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Eric. He is, he is
in. And the thing is is there

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are movies that he's been in I've
never seen. And people are like saying,

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like, if you ask people what's
your favorite Denzel movie, you have

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like fifty people in a room,
you might get thirty different answers. Oh

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yeah, yeah, like Bone Collector, never seen it, Glory, never

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seen it, Yep, I've never
seen seen Glory. Devil in a Blue

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Dress, never seen it, mo
Betta Blues, never seen it. Those

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are films that people are like,
he was amazing in this. Yeah.

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Yeah, he sent a lot of
movies. I tried to watch Fences and

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I couldn't just too too much.
I've not I've not seen that. It's

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a great film what I saw,
but there's so much emotion in it,

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and it's so powerful it's overwhelming.
Oh okay, but yeah, so yeah,

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he really is a great one.
Yep, yep, absolutely all right,

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and we're still on for Wednesday.
Yes, yes, yes, yes,

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I am doing research on what has
happened to our good buddy Tucker.

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Thence he posted his video basically being
a mark in playing himself to be the

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victim in all this. Of course, there's good money in that. There's

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there's no money in Mia Colpa's here. Yeah, there's always uh oh you

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know it's part of the grift.
Oh yeah, but there's no money in

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saying my bad. I guess no, no, there is not cool.

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So yeah, Jenny, you have
anything to add? Nope, nope,

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I'm just over here, all right, one of my business. Well,

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I've pickn up enough of the show's
time today. I am going to enjoy

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my Philly t steak here on National
Chief Steak Day, and you guys have

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good rest of the show. All
right, Eric, thank you for the

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call. I appreciate it. Hey, thank you, and I appreciate being

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a member of the WM and H
family and everything you allow me to do

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on your show. Thank you,
sir. Oh you got it. All

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right, Eric, we'll talk to
you soon, all right, bye bye,

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all right. That was our friend
Eric Pilcher And uh yeah, he'll

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he'll be calling in Wednesday for some
media talk and we're making that a regular

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segment. And then of course on
Friday, the review is Training Day.

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Have you seen Training Day? No? Actually, really good, really good

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movie. If I did, I
forgot, Yeah, you'd remember if you

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saw it. That necessarily you say
that all the time, but you forget

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my Swiss cheese you're Swiss cheese memory. Yes, yeah, Training Day is

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not you'd you'd remember if you saw
Training Day. Been kind to my brain,

407
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,440
you'd you'd remember, you'd remember if
you'd seen Training Day. Oh wait,

408
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,759
m is that with Paine Pain?
No? Is it a comedy?

409
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,880
No, it's it's a dark film. Oh, then it's not what I'm

410
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,480
thinking of. And he plays uh
uh he and uh Ethan Hawk his partner

411
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,880
in the film. They're both undercover
officers and uh, but death about an

412
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:03,759
assault. Denzel is very corrupt and
uh really and and and Ethan Hawk is

413
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,240
is very sort well that's why,
like Eric was saying, you know,

414
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,559
it's the first time that Denzel had
really played a bad guy. Yeah,

415
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,240
the movie could never definitely never seen
it ever seen him be a bad guy.

416
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,759
Up to that point, he'd always
been the hero. Yeah, he's

417
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,519
he's the bad guy in the movie. And Ethan Hawk is kind of the

418
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,599
young, idealistic, you know,
the new partner who doesn't know what he's

419
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,400
getting into being Denzel's partner. And
it's it's it's an excellent film. I

420
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,880
think, um, if you'd like
to jump in six three two five six

421
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,079
seven six three two five O six
Z seven coming up in the second hour

422
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,799
today we have Bees Deluxe is going
to be with us in studio Bees,

423
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,440
so we look forward to that.
But if you'd like to get in with

424
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,400
a call before then. Oh and
we do have a call, and uh,

425
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,720
looks like our friend Shannon is on
the line. High Shannon, good

426
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:55,759
afternoon, How are you good?
How are you okay? Wasn't didn't he

427
00:31:55,839 --> 00:32:00,880
played with a cameo inette movie?
In Training? Yeah? I don't know.

428
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:06,319
I believe he was in a wheel
chair. Oh is that in Training

429
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,960
day? Yeah? That might be. That might be Shannon. I haven't

430
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,880
seen that movie in a very long
time. I think, yes, you

431
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:17,000
are correct. Oh, Jenny made
an appearance Doctor Dre made an appearance.

432
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:29,880
Uh, Eva Mendez, Tom Bird
bergeron Berber m Sorry, Cliff Curtis,

433
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,599
Uh, there may be some more
here. And oh yes, there's quite

434
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:37,400
a few people in this movie.
Yes, I didn't know how the other

435
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,119
ones. I'm which snoop. Yeah, yep, you are right. He

436
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:46,000
is up there on that top row. Okay, that was that's a good

437
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,000
movie. Yeah, all right,
Shannon, Well, thank you for right,

438
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,359
thank you for the call. Yep, take care, all right,

439
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,039
bye bye, all right, that
was our friend, Shannon. That does

440
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:58,839
open up the line for you.
Six zo three two five six seven six

441
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,960
three two five six zero seven.
By the way, our friend Marco Muller

442
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,799
or Mueller, I'm not sure how
to pronounce it. It's got the umlats

443
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,400
over the U because he's from the
band Factory of Art. But I see

444
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,880
who we interviewed recently on the show. But I see he is in the

445
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,079
chat room. Nice to see you. We'll say hello to everybody else in

446
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:20,119
here too. Melanie Lyle Liberty from
the Great State of Vermont joins us in

447
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,240
the chat. Hello. Also,
easyg who we talked to on the phone

448
00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:28,160
earlier, says hi to my peeps. Melanie says Hi, Eric, I

449
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,319
think we'referring easyg my friend who has
not defriended me yet. Oh that's good.

450
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,480
I mean he will eventually, I
assume, righttop. Miriam Banish also

451
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,440
joins us in the Facebook live shot. Hello Miriam, Terrible Jenny, I

452
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:46,359
see you're in there. I'm everywhere. Art and Love said hello. Hashtag

453
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,079
Matt and hashtag Jen we say,
and we are a pop singing girl group

454
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,160
Art and Love from Greensboro, North
Carolina. No, yes, and then

455
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,519
don't say well, and then aren't
I've said we say that is so true?

456
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:07,279
Hashtag Jen hi. Hashtag Eric Pilcher, we say. We hope you

457
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:13,000
tell a story of an eighties movie
is Hiding Out nineteen eighty seven, starring

458
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,599
John Cryer and Keith Coogan. I
don't remember seeing that one on the list.

459
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,639
I've never even heard of that movie. I'm not clicking in my head.

460
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,239
Nope, nope. Jay Fat of
course is in the chat room.

461
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:29,320
Good afternoon. Melanie was very excited
about the wrestling conversation. That's as she

462
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,679
loves that. She does well.
We talked about wrestling something from Joy all

463
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,800
the way. Yes, she does, she does love it. She was

464
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,920
very excited Ronda ferverro is in the
Facebook live jat and says, howdy from

465
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:45,280
Sonny Southern California. Hello, Ronda, it's a good thing they're having some

466
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,920
sun, I guess. Yes,
Yes, California has been beat up.

467
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,679
Yeah. Yeah, that a that
a harder winter than we did in some

468
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,840
ways. Incredible, Oh very much
though. Yeah. Art and Love in

469
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,159
the chat says we are friends with
Karen Edmonds. She is from Greensboro,

470
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,320
North Carolina, and now she lives
in Winston Salem, North Carolina. We

471
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,760
say, today is our friend Karen
Edmond's birthday. We say to wish her

472
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,800
a happy birthday. To Karen Edmond's
send her a birthday card to her,

473
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,480
we said, hashtag Matt and hashtag
Jen. We say, if you both

474
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,440
can, happy birthday. Yeah,
that's about as close to a card as

475
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,000
you're getting. Yes, pretty much. Yeah, I thought I'd put a

476
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,159
little effort into it, though there
was a little. Yes. Our brief

477
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:36,199
discussion of murder being bad usually Melanie
said usually bad. Can you give examples

478
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,239
of when it is good? Yeah, no, murder, murder's bad.

479
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,559
She's asking us for those examples.
She's the one that's the horror flick.

480
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,960
I know, right, you should
be telling us what it's acceptable. Yes,

481
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:52,559
art and love in the chat says
we say. Ricky Martin is from

482
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Puerto Rico. Hashtag Matt and hashtag
Jen. He is a recording singing artist

483
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:01,800
now. He was twelve years old
back in the eighties boy band Manudo?

484
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,800
Yes, yes, and who did
he play on General Hospital? I can't

485
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,480
remember, Miguel. I can't remember
that character. Oh really, you don't

486
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,239
remember on General Hospital? No,
it's not clicking. That's how we first

487
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,079
became famous, you know, beyond
Manudo. I wonder if that was after

488
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:25,119
I was paying attention less? Um, oh probably yeah. Melanie also said

489
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:30,840
in the chat room, Uh,
you're killing me. Oh that was probably

490
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,480
you know what I think it was? No, that was she said that.

491
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:37,880
You know what I think it was
is when the wrestling talk wrapped up

492
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:40,320
and we moved on to another subject, she was very disappointed. So she

493
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,519
was like she was like, no, no, cry, it's okay,

494
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:51,400
we can talk more. Um,
I'm I'm convinced I'm not saying this person's

495
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,559
name right ever. But hello to
uh Doari Nordeen Facebook live chat. Yes,

496
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,360
my buddy, Oh that's someone you
know. Yes, Okay, am

497
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,559
I saying that name even remotely correctly? Yes, I think so. Oh

498
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,960
good. We've been friends for a
number of years communicating with one another.

499
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,679
Oh good, he's in a very
warm, sunny place. I think he's

500
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:17,880
in Morocco. Oh okay, very
nice, very nice. Jay Fed said

501
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,960
in the chat room, maybe I
should start doing the movie reviews. Oh

502
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,360
my goodness. Now, now,
now I'll step on toes. Jay Fed

503
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,760
also said, I think Eric Pilcher
should write an official apology letter to the

504
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:36,400
station and to the listeners said,
oh my goodness. And Melodie says,

505
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:42,199
I concur I am totally upset.
Oh you're always upset, Jay Fed said,

506
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,400
and disappointed, and Melanie said,
shocked, disappointed, and upset.

507
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,199
I'm going to need to go lay
down for a while until I can compose

508
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,000
myself for Wow, my goodness,
take a deep breath, Dolin, You'll

509
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:59,440
be all right. Jay Fed said, I will send you my review on

510
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,519
training day. Matt, you decide
which one you use. Stop it.

511
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,920
Oh my goodness, now there will
be none of that. Oh my goodness,

512
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,239
separate you two. Jay Fed also
said, shall I come on the

513
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,039
show on Wednesday so we can tell
Eric together. I'm taking over for Wow,

514
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:20,960
you're aday he's getting he's getting in
there to froze's brain too far.

515
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,800
Wow, you know he likes to
dunkin ice water. Oh, Art and

516
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,559
Love says, Yes, we say. Ricky Martin a k a. Miguel

517
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:35,360
on soaps ABC's General Hospital. Yes
see, I only really watched it when

518
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,960
I was young, and it was
on the TV when I would come home

519
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,440
from school because when I got older, I had after school sports and stuff,

520
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,360
so I was never there to watch
it. So Sonny Corinthos, yes,

521
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,280
I remember him, played by Maurice
Bernard. He had he was he

522
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,119
owned a record label with oh I
can't remember her name. He was a

523
00:38:55,199 --> 00:39:00,679
mob boss. Yes, he had
a record label and Miguel. They signed

524
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,199
Miguel. I'm not remembering this record
label thing. And they also signed Ned

525
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,760
Quartermain, but he had a different
name when he was performing and they were

526
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,840
the two, so they had Ned
Quartermain and yes, I do not remember

527
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:22,400
this. Yeah, Ned Quartermain and
his leather pants. It was a different

528
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,159
side of Ned Quartermain. You have
leather pants, I do. There's somewhere

529
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,199
you should wear them. There's somewhere
in a drawer, somewhere. I think

530
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:35,079
I might know tucked away. I
will find them. Well maybe six zo

531
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,679
three two five six h seven is
a studio line six three two five six

532
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:45,480
seven. Um, there was a
I'm sure will Eric had referred to this,

533
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:52,079
um this, Uh, well Tucker
Carlson of course. Uh. There's

534
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,360
been a lot of a discussion recently
media on media figures like Tucker Carlson and

535
00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:01,159
why Stephen Crowd or another example,
Don lemon of and others. But so

536
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,039
there was this text message and I'm
sure this will come up again on Wednesday

537
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,360
in my conversation with Eric Filcher.
But there was a text message, and

538
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,079
I've been dying to talk about this
on the show. Is a very long

539
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,800
text message that Tucker Carlson had sent
to one of his producers at Box.

540
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,719
And some people are saying they think
that this might be the reason that he

541
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,039
was fired. I don't think it
is. I don't think that has anything

542
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,320
to do with it. But I
just it's it's been interesting to see the

543
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:32,599
different reactions to people in media to
this. I've seen some people like who

544
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:39,199
is it? Oh? Matt Walls
from the Daily Wire he really likes Tucker's

545
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:45,039
text message because it shows such great
introspection and you know he's really it shows

546
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,960
what a thinker he is and how
he thinks about things and these issues.

547
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,719
And of course people on the left
are saying, look at out racist Tucker

548
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,440
Carlson is with this text message,
and they're kind of reducing it to that.

549
00:40:55,679 --> 00:41:00,840
The truth is, it's very long. It actually ends in a sort

550
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,920
of a positive It ends on a
somewhat positive note and an introspective note.

551
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,480
I know what you're saying by that
yet, but the way that we get

552
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:14,559
to that is really kind of not
good. There's some things that goes go

553
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,559
on in this guy's head on his
way to the way that he ends a

554
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,559
text message. So I'm just gonna
read. If you haven't heard this yet,

555
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,199
I'm gonna read the whole thing.
It's long. I don't think I've

556
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,440
ever in my life sent a text
message this long. But apparently he sent

557
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:31,239
this to somebody at Fox when he
was still working there. Okay, here's

558
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,639
what it says. A couple of
weeks ago, I was watching video of

559
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:39,559
people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an

560
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:45,039
Antifa kid and started pounding the living
blank out of him. It was three

561
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:51,880
against one at least jumping a guy
like that is dishonorable. Obviously, it's

562
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,599
not how white men fight. Yet
suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob

563
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,800
against the man, hoping they'd hit
him harder kill him. I really wanted

564
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,639
them to hurt the kid. I
could taste it. Then somewhere deep in

565
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,320
my brain and alarm went off.
This isn't good for me. I'm becoming

566
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,639
something I don't want to be.
The Antifa creep is a human being.

567
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,280
Much as I despise what he says
and does, much as I'm sure i'd

568
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,519
hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn't gloat over his suffering.

569
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,239
I should be bothered by it.
I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves

570
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,960
this kid and would be crushed if
he was killed. If I don't care

571
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:31,920
about those things, if I reduced
people to their politics, how am I

572
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,599
better than he is. So by
the time he gets to the end of

573
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:39,440
the text, he arrives at a
good conclusion. You know, you shouldn't

574
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:45,199
root for the suffering or murder of
others, because that makes you bad if

575
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,800
you do that, And you shouldn't, as he put it himself here,

576
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,159
you shouldn't reduce people to their politics. But the way he gets to that

577
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,760
ultimate conclusion is scary. A lot
of people have seized on the this is

578
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,400
not how white men fight. Seriously, that's line that I have issues with.

579
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,199
That's the one that everyone's looking at
and saying, Look, how racist

580
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,599
that. Never have I ever discussed
something like that, And I think I

581
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,719
must put these were white these were
people. Yeah, he discussed something that

582
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,880
you see, you tell what you
see. But for him to go to

583
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:21,360
that length to specifically say white people, yeah, with his brain playing around

584
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,280
with because it's certainly not the same
world. Mind? Does I mean is

585
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,719
he? Is he trying to say
expect white people? What does that mean?

586
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,639
Even? What does that even mean? What what white people? Yeah?

587
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:34,400
I don't know, Uh I mean? Is that? Uh? Is

588
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,480
he saying he'd prefer that they fought
like on January sixth, where they had

589
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,559
weapons or something, and that's that's
how white men fight? Is that what

590
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,000
he means? Or maybe he just
wanted to drive a car through a parade

591
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,480
of people, you know, it's
the only thing they could take out.

592
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,400
Yeah, you know, so people
teeky torches to go with it. So

593
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,920
people are really seizing on that comment, and rightfully so I seized on it.

594
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,480
Yeah, Oh of course, yeah. I mean that's that's the one

595
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,880
sentence that jumps out of this whole
thing more than anything else. So yeah,

596
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:06,440
it's a pretty big deal sentence.
It's yeah, I mean yeah,

597
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:08,920
no, people don't think why you
know, that's not where your brain goes,

598
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:13,239
right, right, Yeah, But
I was really bothered too, because

599
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:16,760
well, they'll go on, go
on, well now, and the other

600
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,320
thing that's really alarming here Again,
he ends the text on a positive with

601
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,719
a positive conclusion. If I reduce
people to their politics, how am I

602
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,000
any better than they are? That's
good. But in addition to the racist

603
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:35,719
comment, some of this other stuff, like when he talks about I mean

604
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,800
again, I'm glad he got past
this part in his mind, but that

605
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,800
this was even in his mind to
begin with is disturbing. When he said

606
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,039
I really wanted them to hurt the
kid, I could taste it. Yes,

607
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:51,039
Then somewhere deep in my brain and
alarm went off. Now again,

608
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,039
Okay, deep in his brain and
alarm went off. That's good. I'm

609
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:59,400
glad that alarm went off. And
see somebody get beat because their politics.

610
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,440
I'm glad. Alarm Well, I'm
glad the alarm went off in his brain.

611
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,519
That's good, but that he even
needed that alarm to go off in

612
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,039
his brain, that he had a
moment where they wanted him to kill him

613
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:13,400
and he said, I could taste
it that. Yeah, what is that

614
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:20,480
like? That's psycho like I've never
in my life thought, I mean,

615
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,079
it had these kind of thoughts.
I don't know that you could taste to

616
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:30,480
somebody's death. I know. Jonathan
Greenblatt from the Anti Deformation League flat out

617
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,360
says that as far as you know, if this isn't news to him,

618
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,000
that Tucker Carlson is a white nationalist
period. He did mince words at all,

619
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:44,360
not at all, and I and
I would have to agree he certainly

620
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:49,199
sounds like one. Yeah, so
when you listen to some of the ways

621
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:52,239
that he talks about people on the
other side when they're you know, when

622
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,559
this protest is something going on,
he refers to people as animals, you

623
00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,639
know, he calls them, uh, mass terrorists. You know, he

624
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,880
uses all of these words to describe
the other side. But he doesn't want

625
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,320
to mix judge people by their politics
like he's he incites it, right,

626
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,800
he encourages it. Well, he
benefits from it in terms of his career.

627
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,000
So yeah, you want those much
coming in, you know, you

628
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:22,159
need those food buckets to commercialize or
what have you, because you know that's

629
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,280
under his area of the world.
I mean, the dude's got some darkness

630
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,239
in them to have those kinds of
thoughts while watching someone getting beaten up.

631
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,960
I mean, seriously, how can
you watch something like that and take joy

632
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:39,880
in it? A lot of people
can. It's it's uh, you know

633
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,519
a lot of people have something like
that in them though, where it's like

634
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,119
if they don't like somebody, they're
fine with seeing them beaten it. It's

635
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,599
very it's scary. Do you know
where we saw that the worst people are

636
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,880
scary? Where Floyd? Oh,
George Foy. When George Floyd died,

637
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:01,239
everybody people were were justifying it with
he was a bad guy, he'd gotten

638
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,079
arrested, he had a past.
Well there's always yeah, and he deserved

639
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:10,400
it. There's there's always that narrative
that comes out, uh from some people.

640
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:15,119
Yeah, they'll they'll find a reason
to to somehow justify it. And

641
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,199
the man was murdered, oh yeah, in front of us, in front

642
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:20,920
of people. There was a there
was a medical person they're going get off

643
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,000
from, you know, check them, check them, check them, wouldn't

644
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:28,440
listen to anybody. And there were
there's these these these white nationalist groups seized

645
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:32,079
onto that and and claimed it as
a as a success, as a here

646
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:37,119
we finally won one. They saw
this is a good thing. Let's that's

647
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,400
what That's what more people need to
do, you know, just beat people

648
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:44,320
up. Well what what what happens
is the play that they run is they

649
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,719
find something, uh, you know, they find out that he had a

650
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,880
criminal record, and it's like,
uh, it's like gold to them.

651
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,559
It's like as once once they once
they realized that, then uh you know,

652
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,400
they're they're they're very happy. Then
they have what they need. Oh

653
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,639
you've been arrested. Ah, I
hope they beat the crap out of you.

654
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,519
That's literally It's like, then why
do we bother talking about trying to

655
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:12,960
reduce for cidivism and trying to let
people better their lives and be different.

656
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,679
If you're going to judge them for
that one crime forever right and use that

657
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:21,920
as justification to violently beat them to
death. Yeah, I can't fix you.

658
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,239
I don't know what's wrong with you. You're lacking something in humanity that

659
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,480
I just can't see. Yeah,
you know, it should never be that

660
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:31,239
way. We should We're supposed to
be a civilized society that you know,

661
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,639
we have ways of dealing with things
that are supposed to be conversational based.

662
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:43,400
Ye, not fist fist fighting and
hitting people over the heads, are crushing

663
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,079
their throats, choking them to death. This is not okay, crushing a

664
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:51,199
police officer in a door. Yeah, you're in an insurrection. Yeah,

665
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,519
things like that every time. Yeah, that's the vision, and that guy

666
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,039
is seered into my head. That's
not how white men fight. I don't

667
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:02,039
understand why that happened. But according
to Tucker or women for that matter,

668
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,760
where isn't the vast majority of all
of those on June sixth? What were

669
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,719
they January six? Yeah, yeah, January six? What were those vast

670
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,960
majorities there were those? They were
light skinned folks. Yeah? Oh,

671
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:20,760
dare say white people? Is that
how they fight? Oh? I get

672
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,920
it, I get it. This
is how we fight. We take an

673
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,159
American flagpole with an American flag on
it and beat the crap out of a

674
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:32,360
police officer with it, and we
take the police officers shield and try to

675
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,559
crush him in a door, or
better yet, we scream get his gun,

676
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,679
kill him with his own gun.
Do you remember that with um the

677
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:44,280
police officer that ended up having a
heart attack because he was beaten so badly.

678
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,840
He remembers people screaming getting get his
gun, kill him with his own

679
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,920
gun. Yeah, that's how.
See, this is how white people treat

680
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,880
police officers, I guess, And
this is how white people don't fight.

681
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:01,920
Well, we are, we are
approaching the top of the hour, and

682
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,119
I see we have a guest in
the hallway. So so we're gonna go

683
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:08,800
ahead, We're gonna go to break. I'm gonna play I'm gonna play a

684
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:15,119
song from Bees Deluxe called Flat Earth
Conspiracy, one of their one of their

685
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,480
great songs. Perfect. So we're
gonna give this a spin, and then

686
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:21,840
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687
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WMNH rip the Novels. Welcome back
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two numerow Doose of matt Connerton Unleashed
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717
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718
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719
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:45,719
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720
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Monday, May eight, twenty twenty
three. Genius. Here at the news

721
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:53,360
desk, president and accounted for,
and on the couch we have Conrad.

722
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,360
How do you say your last name? Is it? Where war? Like?

723
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,519
In Second World War? War?
Conrad War from the band be is

724
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,239
the Locks? How are you welcome? Very well, thanks for having me.

725
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,239
Yeah, yeah, we've been playing
some of your stuff on the show.

726
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,599
And now you're not from these parts
originally? Are you? I consider

727
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:13,960
myself from Brooklyn, but I'm actually
from London. Okay, Now, why

728
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,719
do you consider yourself from Brooklyn?
To live there for a while. If

729
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:21,159
you're brought up in England, everything
is easy. You know. People go

730
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:23,159
to sleep in the middle of the
day. They don't work, they don't

731
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:28,719
do anything. They just crown people. Oh. But then when you moved

732
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,719
to America, suddenly you find you've
actually got to work and meet people and

733
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,800
find things and do jobs. And
so I moved to Brooklyn and New York

734
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,800
and I found it was a Baptism
of Fire. Yeah, so immediately it

735
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,920
was like being in New York for
six months was like six years in university

736
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:47,960
in England. Wow, it's much
much harder. So are you so the

737
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:52,679
lyrics to hang Fire by the Rolling
Stones, that's actually accurate? Pretty fair?

738
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,239
Yes, I'll be down. When
did you so, when did you

739
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,559
come to the United States? So? I was in New York in the

740
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:01,440
early eighties, Okay, I put
an ad in the Village Voice, and

741
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,679
I got a drummer at a bass
player, and I auditioned for Hilly at

742
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,519
CBGB's on a Monday night and he
said, you guys are all right,

743
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:12,639
come back tomorrow. And then after
that he says, you guys are right,

744
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:15,559
come back on a Wednesday. So
and after six months we worked our

745
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:17,960
way up to playing on Saturday night, two sets in between the headlining band

746
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,960
Oh wow. Yeah. We opened
for Dogs of War, which was the

747
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:24,199
name of Living Color in those days. Oh no kidding, Yeah, fantastic

748
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:29,599
band, Oh wow, and hr
from Bad Brains Oh wow. So we

749
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:31,960
missed the early section with the Ramones
and Talking Heads, but we got in

750
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,159
like the second wave when bands were
still really interesting but didn't quite go Billboard

751
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:42,400
okay. Oh wow, that must
have been a great time to be there.

752
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,920
It was awesome. Wow, that's
that's amazing. Well night, we

753
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,840
were playing with Jonathan Gregg and the
Lonesome Debonairs, and I don't know if

754
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,880
you remember CBS, but the stage
was to the side of the walk through

755
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,280
to the bathroom. So we're playing. Jonathan Gregg and his band are all

756
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,360
at the bar drinking. They come
back, all their guitars. It gone

757
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,480
out in the back door. Oh
my god. You had to nail things

758
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,800
down and hold them in your hands. Yeah yeah, Oh jeez um.

759
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:13,000
So you were there when did you
say? So? Early eighties? Early

760
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:17,119
eighties? Okay. Then my girl
got a job in Boston, so I

761
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:20,599
went, all right, I'll move
up to Boston and then started all over

762
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:22,960
again. Yeah. And then we
had a couple of kids and I had

763
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,840
to stay at home make sure they
didn't put forks in the electricity, and

764
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,599
then started up again. So I
put together Bees Deluxe here in Boston.

765
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:37,000
Okay. What was what was the
band called when you were in New York?

766
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:42,559
That band was called Invisible House.
What's the cool name? I like

767
00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:45,760
that? Now? Where does the
name bees DeLux come from? What does

768
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,519
that mean it's a combination of a
pub in London and an amplifier that I

769
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:52,719
used to this day. Oh no, kidding, Oh cool. Well I

770
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,880
had to come up with a name
very very fast because I was in a

771
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,599
bar with a friend of Michael Maurice
and he said you should play here,

772
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:00,679
and I went, I don't have
a band. He says, well,

773
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:06,039
I'm going to book you. What's
the name of the band? Yeah,

774
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,199
so we played the next Friday.
Oh, there you go, there you

775
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:12,039
go. Yeah. I have a
friend Mike Laughlin, who used to be

776
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:15,159
in a band called simply called something
because he was he was on the spot,

777
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:19,639
he was he was supposed to play
somewhere and they didn't have a name

778
01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:22,480
for the band yet and he's called
it something and and actually stuck with it

779
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:27,000
for a while. So listeners should
be where Because I have a neighbor in

780
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:30,360
Jamaica Plane who started a band and
he called it hot Dog, and I

781
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,440
went, you an idiot. If
people go on Google and search for hot

782
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,000
Dog, they're never gonna find you, right, So you've got to do

783
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:43,039
something that's yes off center, oh
yeah, oh absolutely, And and and

784
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:46,519
also too, something that you can
be reasonably sure that somebody doesn't already have

785
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:52,440
right, Um? Yeah, so
that makes sense. Um, I mean

786
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,880
did you how quick did you have
to come up with that? Like?

787
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,519
Did you do a search online to
make sure there wasn't already a band somewhere

788
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:01,119
called NOL We were in the US, the studio on the phone booking it.

789
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,239
Yeah. Yeah, so that's it. That's great, that's great.

790
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:10,519
That's very rock and roll. Um
cool. So what was what was it

791
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:15,559
like, you know, starting in
the music scene in Boston in contrast to

792
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:20,559
New York? Was it? Was? It drastically different in some ways?

793
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,639
The scenes are were and still are
very different. Yeah. In New York,

794
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:30,320
many of the clubs are four banks
to night, back line provided bring

795
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:35,239
one hundred and fifty people or we'll
never book here again. And they're like

796
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,599
sausage factories. Yeah, they just
churn you in and churn you out.

797
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,679
Yeah, and some are better than
others. Some have actual people who care

798
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:45,119
about music. Boston, we tend
to play gigs where we played for three

799
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:49,079
hours. Okay, so we're playing
in a room where the management and the

800
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,519
bartenders like us. They'll tell their
friends and once the customers have seen us,

801
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,280
once they come back for the next
one. Yeah, you know,

802
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,960
So we play anywhere from dive bars
like Vincent in Worcester. I mean,

803
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,320
if there's forty five people in there, it's packed. Yeah, Yeah,

804
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:07,440
it's great dive bar. And then
we'll play Boston City Winery, Haymarket Lounge

805
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:12,840
where they're very tony, you know
when they serve meals and people sit down.

806
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,519
Yeah, so there's a range,
but we'd like to play it on

807
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:21,360
our own, because that's that's why
you want to play. Is you want

808
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,119
to play as much as possible.
So you'll do a three hour Yeah,

809
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:27,960
take a break in the middle and
run out for a cigarette or something.

810
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,719
But if you're only playing for forty
minutes, you've barely got the plane off

811
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:36,320
the ground, right, right,
m You've got obviously you've got a lot

812
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,400
of originals, and we've been playing
some of them today, But you also

813
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,760
have quite a few covers, I
would imagine, right. So our philosophy

814
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,559
is to play covers that aren't played
by everybody else, Yeah, and reverse

815
01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:51,679
engineer them so they're different. Okay, So we'll take a song like Damn

816
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,239
Your Eyes by Edna James, and
we'll play it in a different key and

817
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,960
a different tempo and a different field
and then move, get rid of one

818
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,280
chorus and put a break in there
instead. Oh, and then and then

819
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,039
stretch. So a lot of what
we do is improvisational. We don't really

820
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:08,400
know where we're going to go until
we've hit it. Yeah, do you

821
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:13,599
do you run into it where someone
will? Has anyone ever come up to

822
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:15,239
you and said, hey, I
really like that song, a certain song,

823
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,920
and they assumed it was one of
yours, but it was actually a

824
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,400
song that you There was a cover
that you took in reverse engineered exactly that

825
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:24,239
we played the two hours at the
House of Blues when it was at Harvard

826
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,440
Square and Cambridge. Yeah, and
the couple came up to me at the

827
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:30,599
end and he said, you guys
are really good. You should play some

828
01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:36,440
covers, and we've been playing easy
type Jimmy Hendrix, DA James, Freddie

829
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:39,920
King, Albert King, you know. And they liked the tunes. Yeah,

830
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,599
but they didn't know that they'd heard
them before. That's funny, yeah,

831
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:50,599
yeah, because you know, subconsciously
they h there's something in you know,

832
01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:52,239
in the backs of their minds that's
going to connect with that because they

833
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,880
have heard it before, but they
don't know what it is because they don't

834
01:03:55,079 --> 01:04:00,559
recognize it. That's interesting, that's
really cool. Um our friend DJ Steve

835
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:05,280
is in the chat room. He
says, Hi, you're getting some oh

836
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:10,360
some glitching. Oh okay, nothing
I can do about that. Um Rondo

837
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,159
Favero says, Living Color excellent band. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

838
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,320
You said, what were they called
Dogs of War before they were Living Color?

839
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,360
That was the sort of a hidden
name. Oh okay. You know,

840
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,760
like window Stones played some Morgan's Cove. I don't know what they called

841
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,760
themselves, but they played to fifty
people there. Yeah. Yeah, you

842
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,000
said you live in Jamaica Plaine.
Yeah, you ever play the Midway Cafe?

843
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:33,960
Yes, as much as possible really? Yeah. Yeah, And they've

844
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,000
opened up. They've got the room
next door as well. So now now

845
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:40,719
there's a horseshoe bone. You can
get behind it and in front of it.

846
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,559
Oh okay. They got double to
space. Then when I used to

847
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:45,519
play in a long long time ago. Oh okay, I used to do

848
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:49,599
back when I did a lot of
promoting, I used to do shows there,

849
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,079
like for a while. It was
like once a month at the Midway,

850
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:57,320
but it was but they didn't have
that other space So it was small,

851
01:04:57,559 --> 01:04:59,239
it was cool, it was a
lot of fun. Yeah, it

852
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,760
was still going. It was a
long time ago. It's probably not even

853
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,559
the same same owners now. Um, but I think it's Jay Balona and

854
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:10,480
Dave quit. There were two brothers. Oh, I'll be damn so Davis

855
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,840
still. I remember Dave. Jay
is the serious one and Dave was the

856
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:15,960
Nutjobe. He and I would go
up on the roof and throw bottles at

857
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:19,039
cars going pars. Oh my god. Yeah, Dave is the one I

858
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:23,000
would deal with there. I remember
Dame. So he's still there. No,

859
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:26,840
Davis Davis vanished, but Jay is
still Oh Dave? Okay, So

860
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,639
yeah, yeah, I don't think
I ever dealt with Jay. I don't

861
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:30,360
think I ever met Jay. I
think it was all Dave Davis van What

862
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,920
do you mean he's vanished. I
haven't seen him for a while. Oh

863
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,679
okay, but he's not actually missing, is he? No? But I

864
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:40,679
don't think he's working that room.
Oh okay, Okay. I was afraid

865
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:44,519
something had happened because I have good
I have good memories with Dave, and

866
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:46,159
it sounds like you have some good
memories with him as well. Definitely,

867
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:54,239
although not necessarily the best thing to
be doing. But um so, so

868
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,639
when did you When did you uh
end up in Boston? That have been

869
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:03,880
late eighties or yeah, late eighties, early nineties. I got What happened

870
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:09,679
was I got a job because my
my then girlfriend got a job as a

871
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,320
night science fellow at MIT. She
was a science journalist. Okay, I

872
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,440
got a job. I was in
design. I got a job at Rychodisc

873
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:23,559
as production manager. So I went
to Salem every day on Pickering Wharf and

874
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:28,960
I dealt with Frank Zappa and his
wife Gail, David Bowie, Yoko Ono.

875
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:32,519
All the releases that we put on
Raychodists were repackaged artists who were fed

876
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,639
up with their major labels. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, very

877
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:41,480
familiar with racodeskare Oh wow, that's
cool. Yeah. How long How long

878
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:47,320
did you do that? Um?
I'm guessing four or five years? Okay.

879
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,039
I sort of quit because I got
fed up with the fact that they

880
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:57,440
didn't an R or anything. Everything
was recataloging. Yeah. And the final

881
01:06:57,519 --> 01:07:00,920
straw for me was that there was
a band called Gallon Dry. Gallant Drunk

882
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:09,239
were Morrissey's boyfriend and his pals and
Sire Records convinced my boss that we should

883
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:12,880
put out two albums by Gallant Drunk
because they were going to tour opening for

884
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,679
Morrissey and we were going to sell
fifty thousand copies of each album yea,

885
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,800
and that Conrad had to put them
out in five days, naming me.

886
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:25,400
Yeah. So I mean I didn't
kill myself, because I'm still alive today

887
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,519
to tell the story. Yeah,
but I put out these albums and they

888
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:31,360
were horrible, very horrible. We
killed us of doing it. So I

889
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,480
went to the bus and I go, I can't do this anymore. You

890
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:39,440
know, it's like operating on a
corpse. Yeah. I was gonna say,

891
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:45,559
I've not even heard of Gallant Drunk, right, be thankful? Yeah,

892
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:46,760
Wow, that wasn't been a great
experience. It was. It was

893
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,480
a lot of fun, really fast
moving, and a lot of great artists

894
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:55,840
and yeah, and very nice to
do things that were good for the industry.

895
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:00,119
So, for instance, we started
banned the box. You're probably be

896
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,280
too young to remember this, but
when they switched from vinyl to CD,

897
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,840
everything came in twelve inch long boxes. Yes, I do remember that.

898
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,840
Actually, waste of cardboard and printing
and money. So we started this movement

899
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,519
called band the Box. Oh,
and we got that kicked out. And

900
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:19,760
then I was working with Phillip's DuPont
Optical in Minneapolis, and together with them

901
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:25,920
I invented First of all, I
invented see through jewel cases, and then

902
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,760
I invented the green dye that we
put in Raychodisc. So when you looked

903
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,199
at the disc, you knew it
was the raycho Disc album because it was

904
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:35,359
green, okay, lime green?
Oh wow. And as soon as we

905
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:38,920
came out with the first releases like
that, you know, everybody from the

906
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,920
country was calling me, how did
you do that? Where did you get

907
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,920
that done? Yeah? You know, like Geffen Records were mad that they

908
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,760
hadn't come up with it? Really, Oh wow? Did you did you?

909
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,079
Did you sell them the technology,
the recipe? No? I told

910
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:58,680
them to get that's awesome. Wow. If you're just joining us, we're

911
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:03,800
talking with Conrad war from the band
Be's Deluxe. But he's also been pretty

912
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,319
well steeped in the music industry in
other ways too. This is a cool

913
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:12,359
surprise because I love talking about this
stuff. So where did you go?

914
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,840
So after you left Rycodisc, where
did you go? Then? Well,

915
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,760
what happened immediately after that was the
Internet came out. Yeah, Raychodisc went

916
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:28,760
under and they got picked up by
Island Palm Palm Records Island and they drove

917
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,039
it into the ground. And now
it's moved to Rhino on the West Coast,

918
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,039
and Rhino managed it as a back
catalog. I don't think it's an

919
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:39,680
active label. But I went and
I was designing books and magazines and CDs

920
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:44,039
and posters, and the Internet came
out and the editor gave me a little

921
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:46,720
floppy disc said you'll like this,
Conrad. It's something called Mosaic, and

922
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,520
I put it into a computer and
I went, I can see the code.

923
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:57,680
This is desktop publishing, but from
computer to computer. So then I

924
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,760
stayed awake for two weeks learning how
to how to write code and how to

925
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,479
write director and flash. When it
came out, yeah, oh wow.

926
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:08,239
So I was doing that during the
day and then playing at night. Yeah

927
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:13,560
oh no kidding. Yeah, um
yeah, so you've you've lived through all

928
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:18,039
the all the changes um in the
U and the one that's coming up now

929
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:21,720
is AI. We're all going to
live through that. Yeah. Any uh,

930
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:26,760
any predictions on that, because I
know, I know some people are

931
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:32,159
concerned that musicians are going to go
away. I'm not scared of that.

932
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:34,680
But we are in a point.
If you remember, when cars were first

933
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,960
invented, somebody had to walk in
front of them with a red red flag.

934
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,439
No, yeah, when people first
had cars, I didn't know that

935
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,399
you had to have like a servant
walk thirty feet in front of you with

936
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,199
a red flag. Oh wow,
watch out, there's a car coming.

937
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:54,600
Oh no, I didn't know that
we're at that stage with AI because when

938
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,560
I talked to AI like chat GPT, I'll ask you some questions and look,

939
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,760
I'm sorry my database stops two years
ago. Yeah, or I'm sorry

940
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:08,359
that's an invasion of privacy. I
can't tell you that, or I'm sorry,

941
01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:12,680
we don't know. So it's early
stages. My son was talking about

942
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,000
this with me earlier actually, and
he's in favor of a lot to pass

943
01:11:16,119 --> 01:11:20,479
that if you're interacting with an AI, it has to be known to you

944
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:26,560
that it's an AI. Yeah.
So it is already doing good things.

945
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:31,800
So, for instance, doctors who
are too much overworked with paperwork, they

946
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,880
can say I've diagnosed my patient with
X, and they'll write to the AI

947
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:42,640
engine. They'll say, give me
three different treatment plans for a patient with

948
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,760
X who's thirty two years old,
you know, a white male, and

949
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:51,479
the AI engine will come back with
three reputable treatment plans and the doctor would

950
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,840
aild to choose from that, and
that saved them, I don't know,

951
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,399
two hours in books. Yeah,
yeah, because they can't remember all of

952
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,960
that stuff, right, but AI
not only remembers it, but he's learning

953
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,520
it and teaching itself. Fat Okay, are you concerned though about it going

954
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:12,880
too far? Like I mean,
people are, Like what my son was

955
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,560
talking about is he's tried to interact
with some of the AIS that people are

956
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:21,039
talking about. I think there's one
that's on TikTok maybe and that he found

957
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:27,439
it concerning how they could take become
one side or another like he's he said

958
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,359
he interacted with one that was uber
uber left liberal, but then there was

959
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:36,760
another one that was uber uber right
conservative, and he's worried about AI in

960
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,199
those worlds. It's just like the
Internet, it'll give you back what you

961
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:44,680
put into it. So that now
there's a new class of job's called The

962
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,199
job is called a prumpt engineer.
That's somebody who knows how to talk to

963
01:12:48,279 --> 01:12:54,439
AI. Okay, there's a new
job, trumpt engineer. And the point

964
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,600
of that is the AI itself doesn't
care if you're a Republican a Democrat.

965
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:03,439
Right, It's gonna answer the question
pending how you ask it. So you

966
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:08,279
just have to be It's like being
scared of guns. Guns are dangerous,

967
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,680
but it is possible to handle one
without it going off. Yeah, and

968
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,319
AI is dangerous, but it's possible
to handle it without it going off.

969
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,960
Yeah. There was this story I
think it. I think it might have

970
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,079
been at Facebook or Meta, whatever
you call it. Now, did you

971
01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:26,840
see this the We've talked about it
on the show. These these two AI

972
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:30,319
bots or computers, they were talking
to each other. Did you know the

973
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:33,600
story I'm talking about. They were
talking to each other and they came up

974
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:38,720
with their own language to communicate with
each other, and they ended up getting

975
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:43,560
disconnected because people were like, we
don't know what they're saying to each other.

976
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,159
They seem to have their own language, and for all we know,

977
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:48,319
they could be saying, you know, let's kill all the humans and can

978
01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:51,520
take over. So that's just like
what my parents used to say, is

979
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,520
go upstairs, find out what the
kids are doing, and tell them to

980
01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:01,159
stop it right there. Our friend
Mike Doyle is on the line. Hi,

981
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:05,520
Mike any man, I'm doing good. How are you very good?

982
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:10,720
Thanks Jenny. Nice to hear from
you. Nice here. And I apologize.

983
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,159
I just turned you on and I
heard the discussion about AI, and

984
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:17,239
I didn't catch the gentleman's name.
Yeah, this is a Conrad War He's

985
01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:21,119
from the band B's Deluxe. And
we've really been talking, been talking about

986
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:25,079
music and the music industry and so
forth. But we we took a little

987
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:29,119
bit of a side street because AI. A big subject right now is how

988
01:14:29,239 --> 01:14:34,760
is AI already beginning to affect the
music industry? Okay, what do you

989
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:40,279
think, Mike? Yeah, I
apologize about because I thought you were simply

990
01:14:40,319 --> 01:14:43,399
discussing AI, and I understand now
you have it, you know, with

991
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,960
music and everything. My only question
was I heard a great discussion about a

992
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:53,560
week ago, and it was about
the many, many, many positive things

993
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,520
that can come out of AI.
Like you were just like you were just

994
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,960
mentioning about the doctor and the how
many different you know, remedies for what

995
01:15:01,079 --> 01:15:04,000
your ailment is, et cetera,
et cetera, and hours it could save

996
01:15:04,079 --> 01:15:08,880
and all of it. But then
they went to the discussion about the negative

997
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:14,319
part of it, and then how
horrible the negative part could be, um

998
01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:20,560
in in cloning people, making people
guilty of crimes they didn't commit, um,

999
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:25,000
you know, things like that.
And it was a really good discussion

1000
01:15:25,079 --> 01:15:29,199
that and the experts were saying that, yeah, there's a really really dock

1001
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:32,960
side to it, and there's a
really good upside, which is why everybody

1002
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,079
has a little bit of trepidation right
now, is to sure, you know,

1003
01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:39,680
we want we want the good,
but how do we stop the bad?

1004
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:44,399
Right right exactly. Yeah, it's
it's uh and it's it's a subject

1005
01:15:44,399 --> 01:15:47,199
we'll be uh discussing for many years
to come. Obviously, as it continues

1006
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:51,439
to advance, it seems like it's
it's definitely here. It's like the moment

1007
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,319
came. You know, we've been
hearing about it for so long, and

1008
01:15:54,319 --> 01:15:57,720
now it's like, oh, it's
it's here. We've got the chat.

1009
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,720
And I know you don't like,
I don't believe you like musk. But

1010
01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:04,960
when a guy who when a guy
who had his hand in the start of

1011
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:12,279
somewhat creating it, says hey we
should pause here for a moment um that

1012
01:16:12,399 --> 01:16:14,720
worries me. You know what I
mean, I say, all he cop

1013
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,479
he's worried. Sure, oh yeah, there's a lot of people, a

1014
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:21,399
lot of people were not. Oh
yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's something

1015
01:16:21,399 --> 01:16:26,239
we want to proceed with caution with
certainly. Yeah, all right, Well

1016
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:29,199
I'm sorry. I didn't know.
I didn't know he had crushed into music

1017
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:31,640
with it. Yeah, but it
was shrinking. Here's an example, Mike.

1018
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:38,920
There was a record released on the
streaming networks by two artists that was

1019
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,119
created by AI, and the two
artists named in it had nothing to do

1020
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:48,279
with it, and the record companies
went ballistic because it download it got download

1021
01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:51,119
it like half a million times in
two weeks. Yeah, and they had

1022
01:16:51,159 --> 01:16:57,239
to shut it down. But the
point was somebody using AI had made a

1023
01:16:57,279 --> 01:17:00,880
song that sounded like these two guys
yep, and it was a hey yeah

1024
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:05,319
two hip hop artists. Yeah yeah, it's pretty amazing. So think of

1025
01:17:05,359 --> 01:17:10,359
it, think of the think of
the lawsuits. Well, yeah, the

1026
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,600
lawyers come, we'll all be dead, and the lawyers will still be around

1027
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:21,840
the law they'll be AI lawyers probably. Yeah. Yeah, we don't need

1028
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:26,239
all right, Well, good talking
to you guys. Continue and Jenny,

1029
01:17:26,279 --> 01:17:28,920
if I don't see you, happy
mother, Happy Mother's Day. Oh,

1030
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,279
thank you so much. That was
nice, alright, very nice, thanks

1031
01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:33,880
for the call, Mike. All
right, that was our friend Mike Doyle.

1032
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:38,119
That does open up a line for
you. Six three two five six

1033
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:43,439
seven six three two five six zero
seven And we're talking with Conrad war from

1034
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:49,399
the band Be's Deluxe and um yeah, so uh yeah we are we are

1035
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:55,600
an uncharted territory. And this is
so this is probably the next big the

1036
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,359
next big transition in the music industry, right, Like first was the Internet

1037
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:02,279
with naps, stir and everything,
everything becoming digital and the effects that that

1038
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:08,800
had on the music industry just really
just changing it foundationally. This is this

1039
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:13,000
is the next big change potentially right
right, and it should be used creatively.

1040
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:16,640
So for instance, Charlie Christian used
to play guitar in an acoustic band

1041
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:21,720
and he had the idea of sticking
a gramophone needle into the body of his

1042
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:27,479
guitar like a hypo syringe. Yeah, and that made the music come out

1043
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:33,239
of the bell of his gramophone and
people were horrified. And then you know,

1044
01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:38,359
the war pedal came out and people
were horrified. Yeah, And then

1045
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,800
pro tools came out and all these
musicians are going, oh it's sick.

1046
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,239
I prefer analog. I want to
be on two inch tape or the Beatles

1047
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,239
Saget Pepper was done on an A
track. Why are you used in pro

1048
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:53,000
tools? Because you can because you
can move a beat or change its pitch

1049
01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:56,439
this much. And AI is going
to be exactly the same thing. People

1050
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,880
are going to be able to do
things that we hadn't done before. Right,

1051
01:18:59,399 --> 01:19:00,920
And I said, years ago,
wouldn't it be great to have,

1052
01:19:01,239 --> 01:19:06,640
for instance, another led Zeppelin album
when they've all passed away? Well,

1053
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,199
hey, I will help us do
that. Interesting, And I'm not talking

1054
01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:15,000
about great even, let's just think
of that. Let's thinking the same thing.

1055
01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:17,359
Don't we already have that? And
also you could get a movie.

1056
01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:19,920
You could say, well, let's
have Bill Murray with Marilyn Monroe in a

1057
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:25,039
movie, right, because it's possible
now right? Right? Yeah, so

1058
01:19:25,119 --> 01:19:29,680
you sound you sound positive about it. I think the technology moves forward,

1059
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,920
we have to keep up with it. Right. My theories that government people

1060
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:38,439
and politicians don't know how to regulate
this stuff because they don't understand it.

1061
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,760
Right. If you remember when Mark
Zuckerberg was was in the Senate being at

1062
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,600
a committee meeting. I talk about
this on the shows. We're talking to

1063
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:50,239
him, They go, how do
you make money? They don't understand anything

1064
01:19:50,279 --> 01:19:54,800
about this. Oh, Conrad,
I've talked about that so many times on

1065
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,399
the show. How I get I
get so nervous when you know, when

1066
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,560
government tries to interfere with that anology
or the internet or anything. And I

1067
01:20:01,119 --> 01:20:03,800
use that as an example. Yeah. I tell people, I say,

1068
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:09,479
if you have confidence in these people
to actually regulate this stuff, I can

1069
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:13,960
I can fix you. Uh,
just go to go to YouTube and just

1070
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:18,520
look up either yeah, Mark Zuckerberg
or Jack Dorsey when he went and testified

1071
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:24,119
before a committee. And just listen
to the questions that these people ask,

1072
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,560
and you begin to realize they're they're
gonna be voting on things that they have

1073
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,079
no idea what the hell even they're
doing. They don't know. SAME's Truff

1074
01:20:32,119 --> 01:20:36,800
Frank Zappa when he went to Washington. Oh what for the PMRC thing?

1075
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:41,199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they just don't get it, right,

1076
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,800
Yeah, yeah, that is so
true. Well we are let's um,

1077
01:20:46,039 --> 01:20:48,840
let's play something. Well, well
we've been playing some of your music.

1078
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,760
We'll take a break and we'll play
I'll let you pick the song This

1079
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:57,479
is the album Voice of Dog.
Correct, this is the current album that

1080
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,880
Ivan f that's an old original album
by Best Delars. Yes, and I

1081
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,479
thought it was hilarious that we would
start the album with a song called song

1082
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:10,800
number nine. Ah. Yes,
and it tries people mad, I go,

1083
01:21:11,039 --> 01:21:15,840
that's the point. Did I What
did I play at the beginning of

1084
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,880
the show? I think I played
that one already? Are you were playing

1085
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,319
Flat Earth Conspiracy when I came in? When you came in, Yeah,

1086
01:21:20,359 --> 01:21:23,199
at the beginning of the show.
Though, at the top of the show,

1087
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:25,000
I played something at two and I
think it was out. I think

1088
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,880
it was a song number nine.
Um, let's see what about Probably our

1089
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,319
biggest hit live is a song called
beer. Oh beer, all right,

1090
01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:36,920
let's now is this about Is this
about any any particular person or is it

1091
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:42,560
just about beer? Both? Okay? And only took three minutes to write,

1092
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,039
Oh really, Who's who's it about? Or? Can you or can

1093
01:21:46,079 --> 01:21:49,960
you say? Is it a political
person? No, it's a romantic person.

1094
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,960
All right? We would you rather
leave it at that. As far

1095
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:58,680
as the explanation, I think that's
enough. All right, let's give this

1096
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,439
a listen. So this is this
is a track called Beer and this is

1097
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,960
from the band Bees DeLux. We
have Conrad War in studio with us.

1098
01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:10,159
Let's give this a spin and then
we'll continue our discussion. Here we go.

1099
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:23,159
I want you, but I need
a beer. I need you,

1100
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:32,560
but I want a beer. It's
cold outside, but I need to be.

1101
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:10,279
I like you, but I need
a beer. I remember you that

1102
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:18,039
I want a been. It's dark
outside, but I need to be.

1103
01:23:46,000 --> 01:24:17,960
Don't I believe with you? I
need a den. I am and I'm

1104
01:24:18,079 --> 01:25:02,079
all a bedtarted here And oh that's
great. That is Beer from Bee's Deluxe.

1105
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:06,479
What a cool song you're listening to
Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live

1106
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:12,560
from the studios of wm H ninety
five point three FM in Manchester, New

1107
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,039
Hampshire. Jenny is here at the
news desk. I am that's awesome.

1108
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:19,199
Yeah yeah, And on the couch
we have Conrad War from Bee's Deluxe and

1109
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:24,239
uh yeah, that's that's a great
song. Um now that's you on vocals

1110
01:25:24,319 --> 01:25:27,560
right and guitar. Yeah and guitar
very good, very good. Now who

1111
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:31,920
else is in the band? Carol
band plays keyboards, sings vocals and plays

1112
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:39,239
harmonica. Okay, Paul Joviny is
druma and Jim Gilday is the bass player

1113
01:25:39,239 --> 01:25:42,039
and he sings as well. Oh
okay, so it's a four piece with

1114
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:45,479
three vocals, gotcha, gotcha?
So you take turns on the lead vocals.

1115
01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:50,960
It's mostly me, okay, because
I'm a whack Joe. And we

1116
01:25:51,039 --> 01:25:54,439
took from Maine. We go to
Rockland, Maine, and go down to

1117
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,079
Miami and Florida. We go up
and down the East coast. Okay,

1118
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:00,000
yeah, yeah, yeah, I
was looking at your tour dates online.

1119
01:26:00,039 --> 01:26:04,760
Actually, um at bieslocks dot com
is this site? Right? Um?

1120
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,079
Yeah, I like the website.
Who does the website? Did you do

1121
01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:10,680
that? Do you build that?
Yeah? I'm kind of a website nerd.

1122
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,079
So I noticed. Uh yeah,
I like the design. I like

1123
01:26:14,119 --> 01:26:16,640
the layout and um and you also
brought Jenny and I a couple of let's

1124
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,399
see, so there's um so you're
you're still putting things out on CD.

1125
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:27,239
Yeah obviously. Uh so you brought
us uh this single Nitro uh and it's

1126
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:30,680
got industrial espionage, the instrumental version. I shouldn't let me put you put

1127
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,279
the camera on me. I've got
them right up in front of my computer.

1128
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:42,359
Oh perfect, yeahs to me Cable
and you're actually broadcasting also on Tomorrow

1129
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:46,039
radio in the UK. Cool.
Oh, Mike Doyle, Mike is calling

1130
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:49,560
us back. Hey Mike, Hey, sorry, So you know I hate

1131
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,920
to call more than one. I
had to say. I had it on

1132
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,920
the station, I hadn't changed,
and I was sitting at the light listening

1133
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,439
to that song. And let me
tell you that was awesome that The medals

1134
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,680
in that song are off the charts. Man, I don't want him to

1135
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:08,880
get too big of a head.
The singing was good, the instrumentals were

1136
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,960
off the charts. No, right
there with you under understood the vocal start.

1137
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,640
No, that was excellent. That's
all I wanted to say. Very

1138
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,560
job, it was excellent. Thanks
Mike, all right, thanks Mike,

1139
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,840
all right, very good. Yeah. I was gonna ask him if he

1140
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,359
if it made him want to have
a beer, but it sounded like he

1141
01:27:27,399 --> 01:27:30,439
was in a hurry. But yeah, no, that great, great song.

1142
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,039
Yeah. So now the artwork on
these is really cool. Actually,

1143
01:27:33,159 --> 01:27:39,319
let me put the camera back on. People watching online can see the artwork.

1144
01:27:39,359 --> 01:27:42,640
I want to see gorgeous self.
Who does who does this? Uh?

1145
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,720
The artwork on these is really cool. Well, I think they're awesome.

1146
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,560
We do the graphics, but we
commissioned the art from people that we

1147
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:53,680
liked. So for instance, Nitro
the Green Man, he's actually called Anxious

1148
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:59,279
Man. It's by this wonderful artist
named Wendy Bruceick b R U s I

1149
01:27:59,399 --> 01:28:02,359
C K. Okay. So she
found us playing in Cambridge and became a

1150
01:28:02,399 --> 01:28:05,720
fan, and we looked at her
artwork and we'd begd it to do that.

1151
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,960
So she's done the artwork for our
next album, which is still being

1152
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,840
mixed. Okay. And the other
one called Wherever You Hide is an EP

1153
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,640
and that's a photograph by my daughter
Zoe. Oh wow, Zoe took that

1154
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:23,840
photograph in a sculpture park somewhere.
That is very cool. I like it,

1155
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,239
isn't that nice? Yeah? That
is Yeah. And we'll for people

1156
01:28:27,279 --> 01:28:30,560
listening who obviously can't see, well, we'll take pictures of these and put

1157
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,520
them up on social media so you
can see exactly what we're We'll do that

1158
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,960
after the show so you can see
what we're talking about. But yeah,

1159
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:40,079
that's that's very cool, very cool. Um, Now are you are you

1160
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:45,840
putting out? Are you doing anything
on vinyl? I notice vinyl is uh,

1161
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,359
well, it never went away.
But now I think, if I'm

1162
01:28:48,359 --> 01:28:51,960
not mistaken, I think twenty twenty
two might have been the first year where

1163
01:28:53,079 --> 01:28:56,680
vinyl actually outsold CDs. I write
that too. I'm not sure. I

1164
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,359
believe it really well. One reason
I don't believe it is as there's a

1165
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:04,760
Vinyl shortage rule materials. I didn't
know that. So obviously there's a lobbyist

1166
01:29:05,159 --> 01:29:09,920
or there's a there's a PR engine
going behind it, probably to build it

1167
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,359
up again. Yeah. So the
cost per entry for Vinyl is hard because

1168
01:29:13,359 --> 01:29:16,279
you've got to make a master,
a master that you cut, you know,

1169
01:29:16,399 --> 01:29:20,720
so whereas the CD you can make
fifty right, right, and a

1170
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:25,800
cassette you can make ten, yeah, and an eight track you can't make.

1171
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,319
Yeah, cassettes I was I was
shocked when Jeez must have been seven

1172
01:29:31,399 --> 01:29:34,520
or eight years ago, now maybe
not that long. I was on bandcamp

1173
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:40,880
dot com and I realized that that
people were starting to put out cassettes again.

1174
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:44,000
I couldn't believe it. I mean, you know, obviously just kind

1175
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,920
of as a novelty, I guess, but I don't know. Maybe some

1176
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,520
people like the sound of tape hisss. I don't know, before they've got

1177
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:54,800
cassette place in their cause. Yeah, a pencil on the tape, just

1178
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,880
swinging it around, trying to get
it thrown wind back up again. I

1179
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,560
don't miss tapes, no, But
I think I want a CD player now,

1180
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,560
Yeah, like I really think I
want to have a CD player again.

1181
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,279
Yeah, I know I have one. We actually have one here.

1182
01:30:08,319 --> 01:30:10,640
I think Rob as a Veto is
the only one who uses it for his

1183
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,479
show. But um, and my
you know, I have a MacBook that

1184
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:16,319
has a CD player on it.
But um, but uh, yeah,

1185
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:24,560
I was amazed to see that cassettes
sort of come back. And I actually

1186
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,039
I used to work for a retail
chain. I worked for Strawberries, and

1187
01:30:28,039 --> 01:30:30,319
then of course it got bought by
a trans World and became Fye. But

1188
01:30:30,359 --> 01:30:33,680
I remember cassettes. You know,
one of the things that's interesting, and

1189
01:30:35,359 --> 01:30:39,840
you might agree with me, it's
it's it's um interesting to see over time

1190
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:44,479
what technologies go away and what technologies
stick around, and to try to predict

1191
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,199
it. And sometimes sometimes you know, people aren't always right. And cassettes

1192
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:50,479
are an example of where I thought
those were going to go away at least

1193
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:55,479
five years sooner than they did,
and we still had them when I was

1194
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:59,079
working at that job. We had
them much longer than I thought, and

1195
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:03,640
I thought we would have. But
my theory at the time was that it

1196
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:08,800
was because of the auto industry,
because people still had cassette players in their

1197
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:13,039
cars even though CDs had been the
dominant medium for so long. And then

1198
01:31:13,039 --> 01:31:17,399
eventually cassettes went away, but cassettes
stayed stayed around a lot longer than I

1199
01:31:17,399 --> 01:31:21,359
would have imagined. But um,
well, it's immensely portable. But the

1200
01:31:21,399 --> 01:31:28,199
two that you missed that went away
like the dinosaurs were the mini disc Sony

1201
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,359
right, which had a bubble memory
so you could jog and it wouldn't skip.

1202
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,720
Oh okay, and you could record
on it so you could record,

1203
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,840
you know, speeches at college and
go to sleep in them. Yeah.

1204
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:43,239
And then Phillips came up with another
one called Digital Compact Cassette, which was

1205
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:50,479
essentially a cassette sized dat oh,
and that went down the toilet really fast

1206
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:56,600
because they tried to gouge back more
of the royalties from the artists. This

1207
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:00,199
is Phillips really in Germany, Okay, so and the artists, no,

1208
01:32:00,279 --> 01:32:01,600
you can't have it if you're going
to take that much away from me.

1209
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,479
We're not going to put our albums
out on digital compact cassette. But the

1210
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:11,079
idea was to have a cassette that
had CD quality sound on it. Okay,

1211
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,680
um was that? Did that ever
make it to the United States?

1212
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,479
I had to make those damn things
that Ry could do, no kidding,

1213
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,439
yeah, because I don't even remember
those. I remember the mini discs,

1214
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:24,760
I don't remember, but I don't
remember those digital compact set that. Wow,

1215
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:30,279
that boat inflames really fast? Yeah
yeah, huh interesting. I mean

1216
01:32:30,319 --> 01:32:33,199
I remember the old dat recorders.
Yeah, those were great because I remember

1217
01:32:33,239 --> 01:32:38,880
you could bring those to a concert
and record and the quality would be amazing.

1218
01:32:39,079 --> 01:32:42,720
Right, But but indexing on that
stuff or you know, oh yeah,

1219
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,720
it was just it was for engineers, not people. Yeah yeah,

1220
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:50,720
yeah, yeah, but yeah.
And the other technology too that went away

1221
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:55,359
quickly, from what I can recall, is because we actually had these when

1222
01:32:55,399 --> 01:32:58,159
I first started at Strawberries, we
had these, but it was it was

1223
01:32:58,199 --> 01:33:00,479
at the tail end, was a
laser disc. Oh yeah, you know,

1224
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,520
so you got this this movie basically
on Yeah. Yeah, they were

1225
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:09,159
huge, and it was like it
was cumbersome. And then you know,

1226
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,239
of course, as soon as CDs, I mean as soon as I DVDs

1227
01:33:12,319 --> 01:33:15,279
rather started coming out. LaserDiscs went
away pretty quickly. But I remember people

1228
01:33:15,319 --> 01:33:18,279
would come in wanting to order them, and they would take forever to get

1229
01:33:18,319 --> 01:33:23,560
them, you know. And do
you have little libraries on the street here

1230
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:28,960
in Manchester. I don't know if
any of them they maybe want in Manchester,

1231
01:33:29,079 --> 01:33:30,600
but they do have them around.
So they're all over in Jamaica.

1232
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,279
Plane. And when I opened them
up, they're full of DVDs. Oh

1233
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:39,960
yeah, you're talking about the lit
them up on the street and you put

1234
01:33:40,319 --> 01:33:42,600
you put a book and take a
book out. Yeah. Yeah. And

1235
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:46,439
in my neighborhood people are getting rid
of the DVDs because of the streaming industry,

1236
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:50,399
because the nets and an Apple and
everything like that. Yeah. Yeah,

1237
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:55,920
um. That's another thing that's been
in the news lately too, because

1238
01:33:55,960 --> 01:34:00,000
of the writer's strike and you know
these writers. You know, streaming has

1239
01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:03,439
really changed a technology. It's as
change as everything. Streaming has really changed

1240
01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:06,600
the way a lot of them get
paid and so forth. Yeah, get

1241
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:12,359
ready to be flooded with reality shows. Yeah, okay, that's what happens.

1242
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,640
To take your clothes up, run
out in the street, that's what

1243
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:19,600
happens get a series. Yeah,
so now Bees Delos. How long is

1244
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:24,239
the because I assume the lineup has
changed over the years, right, occasionally

1245
01:34:24,319 --> 01:34:28,640
we lose and find a player.
Yeah. How long has the band existed?

1246
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,279
I mean it's been decades, right, I think we've I think we

1247
01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:38,279
put out something about eight years ago, the Demolition Tapes. Okay, um,

1248
01:34:39,039 --> 01:34:42,199
so, but as the current lineup
hasn't been together for a while,

1249
01:34:42,319 --> 01:34:44,960
is it pretty stable or yeah?
This one three or four years and we've

1250
01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:48,600
we've done thousands of miles together.
Yeah. So we take terms driving,

1251
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:53,760
okay, and the mythology of this
is that when I'm driving, it rains.

1252
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,920
Yeah, when anybody else drives,
it's fine, right right, Yeah,

1253
01:35:00,079 --> 01:35:02,920
y'all pile into a van. Yeah, we we borrow either borrow a

1254
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,279
VW Bus or a Ford Transit or
rent a Ford Transit. Yeah. But

1255
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:11,119
COVID almost killed us on that.
Yeah, because if you remember, before

1256
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:14,359
COVID, you could rent a van
for I don't know, one hundred fifty

1257
01:35:14,359 --> 01:35:17,199
two hundred bucks a day. Sure
do unlimited miles, so we'd be cool.

1258
01:35:17,359 --> 01:35:21,000
Yeah. Yeah, And then all
the when COVID hit, people like

1259
01:35:21,359 --> 01:35:25,279
Enterprise said, okay, let's sell
our inventory. Yeah, and we'll buy

1260
01:35:25,319 --> 01:35:28,479
it back when it's finished. Of
course, when it finished, they couldn't

1261
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,520
buy the imagery bank. Yea.
So now they're charging us four hundred bucks

1262
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:35,720
a day for a Ford transit.
Wow, so we're gonna have to do

1263
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:41,479
this on roller skates. Yeah.
Yeah, that's uh, that's one of

1264
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:45,520
the things that I hear the most
now from from anybody who does any any

1265
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,359
level of touring. It's so well
they're actually In fact, there's been national

1266
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:51,920
artists who have said, no,
we're not gonna We're not going to tour

1267
01:35:53,039 --> 01:35:57,359
anymore. It's gotten up. Steve
Weis says, you weren't playing in Europe

1268
01:35:57,399 --> 01:36:00,439
anymore? Really, Yeah, it
costs him too much money. Yeah.

1269
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,720
Yeah. The travel is the travel, the truck, in the hotels,

1270
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,680
all the overhead is now higher than
the ticket. Yeah. And it always

1271
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:10,399
used to be that the ticket price
didn't get you your money back. Like

1272
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:15,159
when The Stones or the Talking Heads
played in New York, they would break

1273
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:18,079
even or lose on ticket sales because
Ron Delson would take it from them,

1274
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,880
but they would come back into the
black on t shirt sales. And I

1275
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,359
think like the Rolling Stones played,
they would make twenty five to fifty bucks

1276
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,159
ahead on merchandise, okay, because
people were going and they'd buy the two

1277
01:36:32,279 --> 01:36:36,239
hundred dollars leather jacket, right right. Yeah, and that's where they made

1278
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:40,119
their money back. So, which
is kind of unusually because you think rock

1279
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:44,840
and roll is in the T shirt
business oh very much so yeah, but

1280
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,159
they pretty much are. And that's
how indie bands survived. Now. Yeah,

1281
01:36:47,399 --> 01:36:50,920
if you look at something like Bad
Bad Hat when they go up and

1282
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:54,520
down the country, they're selling T
shirts to pay for gas and pizza.

1283
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:59,239
Mm yeah, no doubt. Well, my my all time favorite band is

1284
01:36:59,319 --> 01:37:02,199
Kissed, and of course kiss happens
to be the most heavily merchandise band in

1285
01:37:02,399 --> 01:37:05,880
history. You know, Um,
I'm not even sure. I think the

1286
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:10,520
Beatles might be number two, but
but kiss is the most heavily merchandise.

1287
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,920
Then it's like, uh, you
know, they they actually sold off their

1288
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,319
publishing back before before a lot of
artists were doing it back in the uh

1289
01:37:19,359 --> 01:37:24,000
jeez. I think it must have
been around nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one because

1290
01:37:24,279 --> 01:37:28,800
they cashed out on the on the
publishing. Yeah. Um, and uh,

1291
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:30,960
but you know they make you know, touring, they sell so much

1292
01:37:31,039 --> 01:37:35,000
merch you know, it's like,
uh, that's where the money really is

1293
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:39,359
from. I have the worst example
for you. Yeah. I used to

1294
01:37:39,399 --> 01:37:44,239
be friends with a bank called the
Soft Boys, which was Robin Hitchcock and

1295
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,600
a great guitar player named Kimberly Rue. And the band split up. Robin

1296
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:53,680
wanted to go solo and Kimberly started
up band doing Bo Diddley songs. They

1297
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,399
were in Greece. They go to
deal they cut a song called Walking on

1298
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:02,319
Sunshine Katrin the Waves. Yeah,
that's that's Bo Diddley and Kimberly Rue is

1299
01:38:02,359 --> 01:38:06,159
playing. Oh no kidding. So
he's in England. I'm still slightly in

1300
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:11,279
touch with him. I walk into
a store and I find a toothbrush that

1301
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:15,800
when you press it plays walking on
Sunshine. I'm going if that isn't the

1302
01:38:16,119 --> 01:38:20,720
lowest wow version of merchandising a rock
and roll band in the universe, I

1303
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:26,359
don't know what. Yeah, yeah, that song, though kind of transcends.

1304
01:38:26,359 --> 01:38:28,960
It's a great song, you know. To be honest with you,

1305
01:38:29,039 --> 01:38:31,399
I never liked it, I remember, but I think part of it was,

1306
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,119
you know, when I was a
kid, you know, I couldn't

1307
01:38:33,159 --> 01:38:36,479
turn on MTV without seeing the video, right, like, oh yeah,

1308
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:41,560
you can Overexposure would kill you in
anything? Yeah, yeah, because that

1309
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,159
was their only hit, right,
Katrina on the Waves, I think right,

1310
01:38:44,199 --> 01:38:46,640
I don't remember another that's it.
I don't remember another song. Yeah

1311
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,880
yeah, but he was great in
the Soft Boys. He played like Hendrix.

1312
01:38:50,119 --> 01:38:55,119
Yeah, listen to the really early
stuff. So like I want to

1313
01:38:55,199 --> 01:39:01,079
destroy you now with when you were
at rycodisc, was there any merchandising going

1314
01:39:01,159 --> 01:39:06,760
on there or or because they were
no. But what we did, and

1315
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:10,640
I think most labels do this,
is we would package in a way that

1316
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:15,359
the super collectors would want. Okay, So we had a release called Yektodosa,

1317
01:39:15,279 --> 01:39:18,279
which is by Zappa, and it's
called it stands for you can't do

1318
01:39:18,399 --> 01:39:25,960
that on stage anymore. So they'd
be like five double albums in a box,

1319
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:30,159
hand painted. Yeah, so if
you bought all five, you got

1320
01:39:30,199 --> 01:39:34,520
the box. So that's kind of
merchandising, but it's really upselling to persuade

1321
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:39,520
people. Don't just buy volumes one
through two, five volumes one through five,

1322
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:43,239
and you get this extra thing that
makes sense, you know. My

1323
01:39:43,359 --> 01:39:48,159
favorite actually was not Odgen's Flake by
the Small Faces, which came in a

1324
01:39:48,279 --> 01:39:55,079
circular tin like a tobacco tin way
before Public Image, because Public Image did

1325
01:39:55,279 --> 01:39:59,880
metal tin box as well. Okay, so so it was really about that

1326
01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:02,560
kind of packaging. On One spoof
that I came up with was we did

1327
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:08,439
an album with NRBQ called Honest Dollar. Yeah. I got a thousand dollars

1328
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,520
from the bank and I send it
to the band and I said, I

1329
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:15,560
want you to sign every single dollar
bill and then send them back to me,

1330
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,159
and I'm going to put them into
CDs. Oh wow, and then

1331
01:40:17,279 --> 01:40:21,479
shuffle them and distribute them. Yeah. So if you're an NRBQ fan and

1332
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:25,039
you bought one of those, you
might open out up and find a dollar

1333
01:40:25,079 --> 01:40:28,600
bill and they're signed by the band. Oh wow. Oh that's pretty cool.

1334
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:33,159
Yeah yeah. Um oh, well, is that is that kind of

1335
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:38,079
the the most unique idea that you
would So who would think of that?

1336
01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:41,159
I mean, that's that's I assume
that was your idea, right you I

1337
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:43,359
came up with that? Is that? Is that the most unique idea that

1338
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:46,399
you would come up with? I
had had another one that it didn't quite

1339
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:50,680
take off in the way I hoped, But um I introduced Bob Mole to

1340
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:57,199
my boss, and Bob really hated
Virgin Records because they had nothing but session

1341
01:40:57,279 --> 01:41:00,560
players working for him. And the
session players you've probably met session players,

1342
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,520
but they're very serious and they're in
there to make a dollar and get out

1343
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:06,640
of you. Yeah. Yeah.
So he's a good songwriter and a great

1344
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:10,680
guitar player, and he just didn't
like that. He wanted to be in

1345
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:14,600
charge. Yeah. So he agreed
to sign with Record Discus an original artist,

1346
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,760
and he formed a band called Sugar
and the first album he did was

1347
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:23,159
Copper Blue, which is to take
on police. Yeah. So I got

1348
01:41:23,239 --> 01:41:30,359
with Phillips dupon an optical and we
made a copper CD case and printed the

1349
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,479
name of the band on the copper
on the outside. Oh wow. So

1350
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:38,159
and that's like a super limited edition. Yeah, oh wow, that's pretty

1351
01:41:38,199 --> 01:41:43,520
cool. Wow. Do you um? Now? Do you do? Are

1352
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,840
you involved in the in the industry
side of things now or or you just

1353
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,760
focused on the music. I just
played a guitar, Yeah, yeah,

1354
01:41:49,159 --> 01:41:53,319
Do you miss it? No?
No, no. As I said,

1355
01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:57,520
you know, the more you get
embedded in the record industry, the more

1356
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:01,560
you feel like you need a shower. Really yeah, And I suppose it's

1357
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:05,159
like that in the film industry and
the advertising agency and publishing. Yeah.

1358
01:42:06,399 --> 01:42:15,880
Interesting, So, I mean it
was there a specific thing that I'm so

1359
01:42:15,079 --> 01:42:18,520
curious? I mean, was there
something specific that made you feel that way

1360
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:23,920
or was it just kind of over
time? I got two albums. I

1361
01:42:24,039 --> 01:42:26,760
had cast my net and people knew
who I was and they would send me

1362
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:31,119
demos. Yeah. I got a
tape from Robbie Krieger and my boss wouldn't

1363
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:36,520
put it out really, yeah,
it was just it was an instrumental album

1364
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:40,359
by by Robbie Kreeger at the Doors
if you don't recognize, Oh, yeah,

1365
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:42,800
yeah, it was a great album. When they wouldn't do it,

1366
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:44,720
they said, we can't sell that. I go, we can sell that.

1367
01:42:45,079 --> 01:42:47,039
They wouldn't know. And then I
got another tape from a guy whose

1368
01:42:47,159 --> 01:42:50,000
name I can't quite remember yet,
but he was He was a student of

1369
01:42:50,079 --> 01:42:57,279
Bill Brazil's in San Francisco and he
was playing world music really early before world

1370
01:42:57,399 --> 01:43:00,239
music really existed. Yeah, and
I took it to my very nice guy

1371
01:43:00,319 --> 01:43:03,159
named Don Rose, and he had
a dext the size of yours, this

1372
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:08,640
deep in CDs and DAT tapes and
cassettes. So because I worked there,

1373
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,119
I could get it to the front
of the pile. Yeah, And he

1374
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:13,000
listened to it, and he came
down the next day and he said,

1375
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,720
Conrad, this is this is awesome. This is the best I've ever heard

1376
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,159
of this genre. And I said, great, let's put it out.

1377
01:43:18,199 --> 01:43:21,319
He said, no, nobody's heard
of him. Huh. So my heart

1378
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:25,960
kind of broke because I go,
Okay, So here's the record industry executive

1379
01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:30,560
who has the power to introduce a
new act, to put out original music

1380
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:34,680
and chooses not to. Yeah,
and I'm guessing it's like that everywhere.

1381
01:43:35,239 --> 01:43:40,279
Oh I'm sure. Yeah, I'm
sure. And there's um yeah, and

1382
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:45,640
you know, there's so many horror
stories too about you know, like bands

1383
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:49,840
they signed with orsol artists or whomever, they signed with a label, and

1384
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:56,399
you know, and they sign whatever
however many album deal. Then they record

1385
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,079
something and hell, maybe it's even
happened to you, I don't know.

1386
01:43:59,279 --> 01:44:01,439
And they record an album and then
the label decides not to put it out

1387
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,680
and they shelve it for whatever reason. And then the band is like,

1388
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:10,560
and they don't even own the master
recordings of what they just did, and

1389
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:14,199
this label says, no, we're
gonna shelve this for for which could be

1390
01:44:14,279 --> 01:44:17,119
for any number of reasons. I've
got tracks and warehouses in London at em

1391
01:44:17,319 --> 01:44:20,880
in places, no kidding. The
one that comes to mind knows is there's

1392
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:25,720
a really good guitar player in New
York called Binkie Phillips. He was in

1393
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:30,199
a bank called The Planets. They
headlined Cbees. They were huge, and

1394
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:35,159
he cut an album. They were
one of the first buyer racial bands too.

1395
01:44:35,359 --> 01:44:38,960
They had had a black guy in
the band and three white guys.

1396
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:44,640
Early rock days in the eighties.
Yeah, and the album was phenomenal and

1397
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,840
it went to the label and Ted
Templeton said, we've got van Halen,

1398
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:54,880
we don't need the Planets. And
it was just like if he if he

1399
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:59,600
just got the tapes there six months
earlier. Yeah, and that that just

1400
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:04,680
blew him up. And why wouldn't
you eat? And yeah, you've got

1401
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:08,560
van Halen? But so what,
why don't you want another? You know

1402
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,439
what I mean? Why don't you
want to know? Because record companies can't

1403
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:16,039
market the same thing twice in one
month. In the book publishing industry,

1404
01:45:16,119 --> 01:45:19,920
it's called review driven. A book
company like Double Day will have twenty books

1405
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,920
out a month. Yeah, they'll
promote one of them. Okay, so

1406
01:45:24,039 --> 01:45:27,279
why do they put the other nineteen
out they go just in case, yeah,

1407
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:30,960
and they say those books are going
to be what's called review driven,

1408
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:32,880
okay, but they're not going to
push it, okay. So it's up

1409
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,279
to the author to go out and
find a public system, get on Good

1410
01:45:35,319 --> 01:45:40,119
Morning America. But in the record
business it's really specific. It's like,

1411
01:45:40,399 --> 01:45:45,279
we can do one girl singer,
one boy band, one heavy rock band,

1412
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,640
one reggae band. That's it for
the next two months. Okay.

1413
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:53,239
I remember watching an interview with Tori
Amos talking about that shoot the difficulties.

1414
01:45:53,279 --> 01:45:56,159
Well, we already have a female
right, oh, we've already got a

1415
01:45:56,199 --> 01:45:59,680
piano player, you know, and
just what they wouldn't put her on.

1416
01:46:00,039 --> 01:46:03,399
It's insane. Yeah, yeah,
that's why. And from the artist perspective,

1417
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:08,279
it's it's bad luck or good luck, depending on your timing. Yeah

1418
01:46:08,399 --> 01:46:12,000
right, seriously, I mean when
you remember, if you listen to Norah

1419
01:46:12,079 --> 01:46:16,079
Jones, now you go, it's
good. But her album came out when

1420
01:46:16,079 --> 01:46:19,760
there was nothing like it, right, the true yeah oh yeah yeah,

1421
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,840
so the critics went, it's just
wonderful, right, it was like a

1422
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:28,439
dose of fresh air. Yeah yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, And I

1423
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,319
remember that too because I was working
for Strawberries when when Norah Jones I hit

1424
01:46:31,399 --> 01:46:34,359
big and yeah, you're right,
I remember that. And of course now

1425
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:36,479
we you know, we live in
a time where you can, you know,

1426
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:41,199
you can put things out yourself on
the release of yourself online, and

1427
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,039
it's a it's a completely different world
now. I mean, record labels still

1428
01:46:45,079 --> 01:46:49,560
exist obviously, but um uh yeah, but it's funny too. You know,

1429
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:53,800
people there's still people who think that, you know, if if I

1430
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,680
get signed to a record label,
you know, all my problems will be

1431
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:00,880
solved. Yeah. I remember meeting
band that have been signed in Utah and

1432
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:04,159
they came up to New York.
They got a cheap apartment of Staten Island

1433
01:47:04,199 --> 01:47:08,560
for ten bucks a night and they're
all working this way to send barbucks.

1434
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:12,039
Yeah yeah, you go. You
signed to a major label, he says,

1435
01:47:12,079 --> 01:47:15,399
yeah, we got no money right
right? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1436
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,199
Yeah it is. It can be
a dirty business, sets for sure.

1437
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:21,640
Yeah, so I can I can
see why you got disillusioned with it.

1438
01:47:25,079 --> 01:47:29,239
Um listen, Oh, this has
been a wonderful Conrad. We learned

1439
01:47:29,239 --> 01:47:31,239
a lot and we went in some
directions I wasn't expecting, which is always

1440
01:47:31,239 --> 01:47:33,760
a nice surprise. Um, you
know, I love talking about the music,

1441
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,800
but other aspects of the music industry
too is great. Um, but

1442
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:41,760
we do want to make sure people
know where to find you online, your

1443
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:45,640
your band, uh bees DeLux and
if you have any shows coming up in

1444
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:47,159
the area that you want to you
know, we have listeners online from all

1445
01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:50,760
over, but any any specific shows
you want us to know about anything at

1446
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:55,079
all, social media, whatever you
can. You can find us on Facebook

1447
01:47:55,119 --> 01:47:58,039
as Beast Deluxe and you can find
our website beast deluxe dot com. And

1448
01:47:58,079 --> 01:48:03,760
our next show is a no of
a show matinee at the Porch Southern the

1449
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:10,680
Southern what's it Cooled Porch Southern Fair
and Duke Joint in Medford. And it's

1450
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:15,920
a matinee okay. And we released
a video of Jamie Lee Curtis begging us

1451
01:48:15,279 --> 01:48:19,880
to put out a matinee show.
Really yeah, I'm kidding. Yeah,

1452
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:26,359
And we're on Instagram and Twitter and
Masdon and all those things. So she

1453
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:30,279
was at she was at late the
Grammys or something like that, and she

1454
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:33,119
was begging Bruce Springstein to stay a
matinee. She goes to bed at seven

1455
01:48:33,159 --> 01:48:35,920
in the evening. Yeah, yeah, So we cripped the video and put

1456
01:48:36,039 --> 01:48:42,319
our name in there. It's brilliant. I love it. I love it

1457
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,800
all right, very good. And
the website, of course is beslocks dot

1458
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:49,079
com. And uh, Conrad,
this has been wonderful. Thank you again

1459
01:48:49,159 --> 01:48:51,560
so much, my friend for coming
in the Thank you Jen and Matt,

1460
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:57,000
thanks for having me absolutely and we
will we will end the show with one

1461
01:48:57,039 --> 01:49:01,479
more of your songs, but I
will let you pick. We played beer.

1462
01:49:02,119 --> 01:49:06,479
We opened the program today with song
number nine, and then of course

1463
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:14,800
we played umu flat Earth Conspiracy earlier. I think I'll let you dodge the

1464
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:16,520
longest track because that you'll get mad
at me if you play, but play

1465
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:21,840
a short track called Blues for Cameroon, Blues for cameraon my favorite football team.

1466
01:49:23,359 --> 01:49:26,359
Okay, um oh there it is
yep. Oh, by the way,

1467
01:49:26,399 --> 01:49:28,920
flat Earth conspiracy? What? Why? Why is it called that?

1468
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:32,760
Did you listen to the lyrics?
Yeah, but I was. I was

1469
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,359
distracted doing other stuff while I was
playing Is it? I mean? Is

1470
01:49:36,399 --> 01:49:40,439
that literally? What it's about?
It's written in response to all of the

1471
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:45,079
nut jobs on the internet. Nice. I will revisit that song later in

1472
01:49:45,119 --> 01:49:47,039
the weekend. Play it again now, yeah, yeah, yeah, no

1473
01:49:47,199 --> 01:49:50,439
kidding? Very cool? All right, but we will end with Blues for

1474
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:55,000
Cameroon. Uh, Jenny, did
you want to plug anything, your website

1475
01:49:55,079 --> 01:49:58,399
or anything. Absolutely. You can
check me out at Gencoffee dot com,

1476
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:01,920
j E N n c O fei
dot com. Look for my writings on

1477
01:50:02,119 --> 01:50:06,319
the Mighty, and stay tuned for
more information on my battle with the health

1478
01:50:06,359 --> 01:50:11,319
insurance companies. Yes, yes,
all right, very good, All right,

1479
01:50:11,359 --> 01:50:13,880
so we're gonna end with this,
Conrad, thank you again, and

1480
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:17,800
this is Blues for Cameroon from the
band Bees Deluxe