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All right, three, two one, we're recording everybody. How's it going.

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I think I've got victim number seven
or eight on the phone. When

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I say victim, it's my interview
victim, because I kind of feel sorry

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for him. They have to sit
here and talk to me and be recorded

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and listen to my stupid questions.
But I have Janelle on the line.

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Janelle, how are you. I'm
doing great, Thank you, well,

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You're welcome. Janelle sent me an
email within the last week or two and

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I read through it and I thought
I could tell right off the bat she

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had some exceptional stories to share with
all of us, and I knew she'd

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be a great guest to do as
a recording. So Janelle has several years

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of experiences with these creatures. Janelle, do you would you like to just

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start at the beginning how you kind
of got how this kind of came to

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light, and how you got into
this. Just tell us, tell us

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whatever you want to tell us,
Go right ahead. Okay, Well,

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I moved. I've rented this farmhouse. I had just come up from Florida

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and I rented this farmhouse out in
the middle of two hundred acres about fifteen

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miles outside of a small town in
Virginia. After I'd been there while,

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I decided to buy the house,
and I was buying it from the farmer

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who owned the land. After I
had been oh, I guess a while

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into it, he decided he wanted
the house back for his daughter, and

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I had already done so much to
the house I wasn't about to just let

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him have it back. So he
did a few mean things to try to

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get me to leave, and I
just wasn't going to have it, so

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I ignored him. I started having
these experiences with what I thought were people

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if he'd hired from his place where
he worked, his lumber place to try

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to scare me in the middle of
the night to try to get me to

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leave, and so that's what I
thought it was. Well, it started

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out I moved in this place.
My furniture wasn't there yet. I had

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two little dogs, little shitsus,
and we were sleeping in the living room

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on the floor waiting for the furniture
to get there. And the first night,

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this woman screamed from down in the
woods way back behind the house.

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And there was nothing back there but
woods that went on for miles, and

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it was a blood curdling scream,
like she was being like her arms and

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legs are being torn off of her, and she screamed, Oh, I

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don't know. It seemed like forever. It was probably five minutes, or

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maybe it looked less, and I
didn't know whether it called the police or

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what to do. But at the
time, they hadn't even stalled the phone

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yet, so I couldn't call anybody, so I let that go by.

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Several nights later, some huge animals
were fighting in the circular driveway that went

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by the side of the house,
and they were huge. They were snarling

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and growling, and you could hear
them hitting each other, and they were

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sort of angrily talking some kind of
gibberish, but you know, in anger,

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and they were snarling and growling,
and oh, it was horrible.

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It was horrible. I was truly
terrified. But the dogs never reacted,

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which I thought was real strange.
So that lasted a while and that stopped,

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so I kept telling myself it was
some kind of great, big cat

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or something fighting, and I knew
it was bigger than any kind of cat

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that lived in that area, but
I thought, that's what I'm going to

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have to think so it went on, and then at night, at ten

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o'clock at night, I'd take the
little dogs out, and there was a

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farm light out at the entrance to
the driveway, and I was nine tenths

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of a mile way back in the
woods from the road, main road,

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and i'd walk out into this farm
light and wait for little dogs to do

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what they had to do before we
went to bed. And the farmer there

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was pasture up in front of the
house on that side, woods around the

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other three sides, and there was
a barn way up there, halfway up

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up the distance to the highway where
he kept his big, heavy equipment.

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And something was up there that would
stop down into the pasture, making these

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horrible girls sounds and some kind of
gibberish and so forth, and occasional growl,

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and they would stop. There was
several of them, and they'd just

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all stomp out there at one time, obviously trying to stear me. So

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I just stood my ground. I
couldn't see him because they were well outside

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the range of that farm light.
And so finally eventually I had that farm

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light turned off because I thought it
was could attract more trouble than it was

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protecting me from and I just had
it dark because I didn't want anybody seeing

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the farm light from the road.
So I would then turn on the one

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little porch light and stan out there
with them that way, and then the

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charging stopped. Then let's see then
by then my head furniture and I moved

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to the upstairs bedroom. At night, I was these things. Something would

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come under the window, be talking
and some kind of gibberish. I thought

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that these were people that he had
hired try to scare me, so idiot

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that I was. I'd opened the
window and I talked back to and I'd

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say, hey, you know you've
done your job. Get paid. You're

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not scaring me. I know you're
down there. You can go home.

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You've done a good job. Tell
him you did it, and you know,

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then I'd go to bed. Well, I noticed that it woke me

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up. As a matter of fact, a couple of nights there were songbirds

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chirping around two am, and a
lot of them. And this group of

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songbirds would move from my front yard
slowly like the speed people would walk down

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into the pasture and down a farm
roads through the pasture down into the backwoods,

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chirping all the time. I knew
it wasn't possible, but that's what

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I heard. The other thing was
when I first moved into the house and

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i'd go outside, sort of poking
around the yard and checking little outbuildings and

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stuff. Every time in the middle
of the day, every time i'd go

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outside, owls would hoot, you
know, like big horned owls, big

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owls, And they would first hoot
right up next to the yard, right

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there in the edge of the woods, and you'd hear them continue to loot

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down that hill that went down to
the creek, and then way up to

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the west where that creek branch went, and they'd still they'd be hooting at

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a distance, and I thought,
again, I thought, they must be

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still down there, and these guys
are watching me to make sure that I'm

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not going to be interested in walking
that creek. So I thought it was

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people again. But every time I
came out, because obviously they were signaling

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to each other. I mean,
this was clear and obvious. And this

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went on for weeks and weeks.
So that was another thing, the owls.

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Then, let's see, trying to
think when these things were under my

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window at night, apparently they were
all so sleeping in the yard because under

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the little dogwood tree out front,
the grass was mashed down in the shape

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of a huge animal in a fetal
position, and I kept looking at that.

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I'd go out there and look at
that. Then I'd take the mower,

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I'd mow. I'd mow it a
high thing, but it would fluff

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the grass up, and I cut
tall because I wanted to defeat it again.

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Sure enough, there it was again, and it had nothing, no

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shape like a deer or anything like
that, because it was like a masket

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ball, huge and it was just
mash the grasses, mashes, plastic.

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So that happened a lot. But
they but they came every night in some

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form or another. They were It
was constant. I built a big deck

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on the back of the house.
On the house was in a shape or

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facing in an odd direction, so
my front door was actually off the side

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the real front door, and all
along the other side. There were no

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lights because the electric had to be
replaced, and so the three areas where

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the woods were you couldn't see anything. There was no light to see.

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So this is where they had most
of their activity. And then one night

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I had dinner in a friend's house
and I came home after dark. Well,

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I had chickens side in and they
were in a pin with a six

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foot fence around it, and they
could get into the coop and roost,

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but I had to close the door
of the coop and so I couldn't see

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back there. So I drove the
truck up into the front yard, pointing

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in the direction of the coop,
and put the high beams on so I

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could see to walk down there and
close the door. Well, as I

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was walking down there, on the
right hand side of me, just outside

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the car light area, I saw
two huge yellow eyes staring at me from

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a height of about eight feet,
higher than any ceiling being could be,

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and higher than a large deer or
any other animal that I knew of could

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be. The eyes were large and
they were glowing yellow. I managed to

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block out the fear. I kept
on going and I closed the chicken coop,

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but close the egg came back.
I did not look over on that

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side again. I slowly walked back
the truck, got in it, backed

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up, and put it back in
the driveway. That was Oh, and

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while I was doing that, this
huge elk or not elk buck goes flying

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along the edge When I was backing
up and the lights were shining on the

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wood. This buck went flying down
the edge of the wood with its eyes

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looking wild like it was scared of
something. So I couldn't help but think

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that whatever had the big yellow eyes
was scaring that that animal. So that

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was that was a scary thing right
there. But I've learned, I don't

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know. I know better than to
run. I know better than to act

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scared, because as soon as you
do, you've lost, You've lost.

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Yeah, I agree with that.
I agree with you. Yeah, you

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just have to act like you know
whatever. It is an everyday occurrence.

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Then this farmer had cattle, and
quite quite a large heart of cattle.

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And I had also had cattle when
I had my own farm, and my

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cattle were totally quiet, occasionally to
hear a move not oft his cattle all

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night long, mooing, mooing all
night long. You tould barely sleep because

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of it. Every night they just
kept on and on. Now they had

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to go down to that creek to
get water. That's where they got through

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water. They had to go through
the woods and down the creek from the

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past they rank, So something was
disturbing them, or one time I saw

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him dragging two oh probably six hundred
pound calves that were dead. He was

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dragging them down across that pasture into
the woods where there was a trail that

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went down into the wood. By
law, you have to bury dead livestock,

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but he wasn't doing it. He
was dragging them. So after he

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finished all that, I decided to
take a walk down and see where he

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took them. Well, he took
them as far as the path would go,

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and there they were at the end
of the path. Well, knowing

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what was going on, there was
some huge animal or group of animals around

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there. Not knowing precisely what they
were, at that point, I thought

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I'd go down there and look.
The next day they were gone, completely

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gone, not just eating into Yeah, they had disappeared, and they were

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huge and bloated, and you know, I mean these were big calves,

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big calves. So I don't know
what them, you know, but they

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were dead. And I know that
he was missing some young calves, newborn

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calves, completely missing them. So
I don't know where they went, but

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I had a feeling. So anyway, then another thing, they stopped charging

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me and so forth. But when
I take the dogs out they'd stand there

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in the driveway facing the dark part
of the yard wagging their tails. They

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saw something that they were wagging their
tails scared, call them and go back

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in. And the other thing was
when I built that deck was a huge

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deck, but because the little dogs, I had a gate put on the

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steps that went down, and I
kept the gate closed all the time,

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and it had a little lock on
it. Well, at night, something

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big with very heavy footsteps would get
on that deck and walk around. Well,

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I was beginning to think I knew
what it was. And so I

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saw this thing in the little Electric
co Op newsletter thing that would become in

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the mail, and I was plancing
at it and saw the classified section,

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and in there there was an ad
from a man in northern Virginia who had

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said, if you think that you
have big foot, a good big foot,

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on your property, let me know. So I called him and I

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told him the things I'd been experiencing, and he said, oh, absolutely,

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that's what it is. He said, may I come down there with

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a friend of mine so we can
check the area. So I said,

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sure, come on. Well,
they came down from Washington. They went

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down and searched along the creek and
found tps and nests and all sorts of

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things like that, and lots of
them. So they came back up.

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Tell me, well, they came
down a number of times and brought some

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other people, and they all kept
looking around, and finally they brought cameras,

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you know, ga game cameras and
things like that, and set them

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up everywhere. And they put like
a television screen in my room up stairs

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connected to these cameras, so I
could switch channels and see what was going

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on with it with cameras. Well, I was by myself, and I

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something about that just scared me.
So I never watched that screen because I

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thought, you know what, if
I see something I don't want, I

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don't want to see it. It's
bad enough to hear it. I think

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I would be the same way.
Yeah, it's something about you know,

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you can hear it, you know
what's out there, but I don't want

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to see its face. I just
told to see it, because then then

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I'll have to be scared. But
then he never got any live pictures,

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but he did get some strange looking
geometric shape that were very strange looking.

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They were like all kinds of geometric
boxes. I never understood what that was.

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He shared his evidence with you.
Oh yeah, okay, And he

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had a van that was completely outfitted
with everything you can imagine, night vision,

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this, that, the other.
He was ready. He was a

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ghostbuster, running like he was.
He was a big footbuster, and it

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was fascinating. I mean, he
had so much equipment in there, and

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oh just it was amazing. But
so the last time he and another fellow

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were down there was this a Sunday
afternoon, and they searched around, found

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nest and all the things, and
then they were leaving about five o'clock and

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as they were going out the driveway, I thought, oh good, I

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was the time I walked the little
dog up the road and I then only

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had one little dog, And so
we started walking up there and back in

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the woods, this animal was having
an anger fit, jumping up and down,

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screaming, hitting the side of the
tree with a limb or something,

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another piece of wood, just banging
a life out of the tree, jumping

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up and Danny could hear it jumping
up and down and hitting the ground and

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hitting the leaves and screaming and having
a fit. Well I knew in the

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imediately it was angry because those guys
had been down in there in this area.

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So the dog and I turned around
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That night, whatever it was came
up to the side to the house and

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I had a little office off the
kitchen, and I was sitting in there

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and this thing came and hit the
side of the wall so hard that I

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almost thought I could could see the
outline of its arms. Why I didn't

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come through that wall, I guess
because of this old oak, probably the

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only reason it didn't. So I
call that guy. He had just gotten

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back up to Washington, and I
called him and told him what happened.

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He so, oh, yeah,
he said, that's typically behavior when they're

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angry. Then another interesting thing was
when well I saw one that was I

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guess one of the main things this
was earlier I had taken the dogs for

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a walk. And this is strange
because every every night I'd let the chickens

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out about an hour before roosting time
so they could run and eat bugs and

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stuff and not cheer up my landscaping. They wouldn't have time to And I

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had some geese. I had eight
white geese, and I at that time

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I had a goat. Well,
everybody wanted to go for a walk,

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so we will go up the road. I'd had two dogs, eight these

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twenty four chickens. Oh, and
I had a guinea who just happened to

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show up one day and stayed.
And the goat and everybody loose. We'd

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all go for a walk up the
road and cut over to where that man

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had his buildings and then come back. And they also had blueberry bushes.

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And then we'd come back down the
side of the wood. And I was

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calling to the little male shit too, because he was lagging behind. I

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get saying, come on, come
on, bandit. And I saw one

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of the chickens had come up in
the field normally just stuck around the yard,

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and I thought, you know,
that chicken's gonna get eaten by something.

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So I had my eye on this
chin, and I thought, I'm

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going to get down there and shoot
it back to the house. Well,

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just as I got close to the
chicken, I see over on my left

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hand side in the woods, there's
this juvenile big foot watching the chicken.

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It heard me coming. It didn't
leave when it heard me coming. It

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didn't leave until I turned towards it, and then it just turned right around

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and walked straight back into the wood. That is amazing. What was the

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distance, Well, I don't I
don't know how to measure distance exactly,

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but I can tell you this.
I was close enough to it to get

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a real close look at its hair, and it probably couldn't have been ten

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or fifteen feet maybe, but it's
it's the hair on its back, and

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you know, was in no hurry. You could tell it wasn't afraid of

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any of us, not the dogs, not me. How the dogs never

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noticed it, none of the other
animals noticed it. But as the hair

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on its back looked exactly like a
German chow for its hair, and it

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was it was brown, but it
had the same texture and the same length,

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you know how German she had sort
of coarse hair, and you know

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the pinks on the dog's back of
the hair, it looked just like that,

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the texture exactly. So anyway,
it went on back. We kept

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on walking, and that was the
end of that chicken went home. I

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wasn't afraid of it at all.
I had no fear of it. It

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was small enough where it was obvious
it was a juvenile, so you know,

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none of us had any fear and
went on back in the house.

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And that's how I really knew that
for sure, that's what I had.

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But I had two exceptionally frightening things
happened. The first one was when I

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first got those chickens and geese,
and they were babies. I had raised

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them on the sun porch, and
that day I had taken them out to

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their outdoor home for the first time. Came back in, was fixing dinner,

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was about six o'clock at night,
and all the sudden there was a

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roar. And when I say roar, it was like ten lions at one

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or four sets of cowlungs working in
unison. And this thing roared, a

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deep, guttural roar that was the
loudest thing coming from a living thing that

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I've ever heard, and it just
went on and on. It never stopped

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to take a breath. I went
flying out the first My first thing was,

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oh, my little animals, my
little geese and little chicken. So

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I go flying around, little dogs
with me outside around the house, back

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to where the animals were in the
little house I put them in. And

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when I got out there, that
thing was still going and the dogs,

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the geese, and the chicken all
were standing dead still in the facing in

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the direction of that sound. Nothing
moved. It was like they were caught

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in a time war. It was. And you know, you can't keep

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it just quiet. I mean,
they just get all the time. And

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they were dead silence. The chickens
were dead silent, and they just nothing

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moved. None of them moved at
all. And that thing finally wore down,

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and that was and stopped. Holy
ken well, idiot that I am.

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I went flying back of the house, got the old rifle, went

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and jumps in the truck and went
after the thing. I went down the

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fire lane in the woods. I
never saw it. Why I thought that

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I could ever with a rifle do
anything against something that made a noise like

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that. I don't know what it
was with me. It was stupid.

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Were you after on foot? Well? No, I ran and got in

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the truck. I got the rifle
and got in the truck and I drove

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the truck after it. Yeah,
And by then it was it was dusk.

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I had to turn the lights on
the truck and the high beams,

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and I backed up and went forward, and backed up and went forward.

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I looked in every direction, couldn't
find any sign of anything. And then

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I went home and realized how stupid
I was to have done that in the

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first place. I don't know why, I have no fear like that.

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You're brave, You're just brave.
I don't know. I think it couldn't

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border more on stupid something like that. But now tell you the thing that

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scared me enough to make me want
to leave. I was upstairs one night,

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sitting cross leg on the bed,
watching Pride and Prejudice or some such

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things, and I had had this
rose, this climbing rose. It went

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from these had grown as these massive
trunks intertwined, and the rose went up

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to the second story and went through
the back of the stone chimney. You

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know, there's a space up at
the top between the house and the chimney,

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and had gone had grown up to
the window through that thing, and

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was hanging back down on the other
side of the chimney, huge road climbing

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rose, and the trunks from the
thing were huge down at the ground.

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And I'm sitting there, and they
had been jabbering in the front, you

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know, on the other out the
other window. I hadn't you know,

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by then, I just took it
for granted and all of a sudden,

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something hits that the side of the
wall with its feet climbing up that rosebush.

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Thorns and all, I mean that
thing had thorns on it, a

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good half inch long, these big
thick thorns all the way up that huge

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trunk of that thing. And this
thing you could hear it pulling itself up

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by it. And when it first
jumped on the rosebush, its feet hit

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the wall. It was hanging onto
the rosebush with hands, and then it

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started climbing that rose thing, and
you could you could hear the rose pulling

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out of the between the you know, behind the chimney because of the weight

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of whatever it was. Well,
instantaneously I run over there and slammed the

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window down. The blind was already
down, but the window was open,

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and I just reached under there and
slammed that window down and locked it and

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then turned the lights and everything off. It's oh, let me tell you

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when that happened. They apparently there
was some little animal, a squirrel or

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something up in the attic that I
didn't know was there. Well, whatever

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this thing was scared that little animal
so bad. That little thing ran back

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and forth and back and forth,
and you could hear it bouncing off wood,

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and it was I think it ran
itself to death. Literally, I

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think it just it was so terrified. It just kept running and running back

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and forth, back and forth.
And I thought that was the oddest thing

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I had ever heard. Let me
ask you, Oh, was it a

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trellis supporting this rosebush? Or I
can't imagine a rosebush something? Yeah,

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it was. It was. I'm
never forget it was a yellow rose.

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I had planted it right when I
first moved in. And the thing had

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trunks that had multiple trunks that were
twisted around each other. And I would

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say some of those trunks were probably
close to two inches thick. Oh,

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I didn't know they got that big. Okay, yeah, you know some

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of them, dude. It was
an old fashioned rose, a rambling rose.

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It was yellow. I remember it
quite well. Yeah. In fact,

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I have pictures of that side of
the house and I have looked at

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that rose in those pictures thinking about
when that happened. Wow, that is

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terrifying. Well, and think of
anything that would grab you know, an

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old an old fashioned rose has many
more thorns than these hybrid things too,

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and it grabbed them with its hands
and it and it had to use its

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feet too on those thorns. I
just don't know how any living thing could

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stand that. I don't know.
I've always wondered. You know, rabbits

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live in briars, and that's kind
of how they protect. That's their security

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blanket, so to speak. And
so some animals have a way to you

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know, I don't keep from getting
stuck or whatever. I can't imagine something

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with arms and legs reaching up grabbing
the trunk of a rosebush with half inch

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thorns on it. You know,
you got to grip it. Now,

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from the time from the time you
started with your first I don't what would

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you say evidence of something going on
until where you are now? Are you

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talking about a few months or a
couple of years? You know that was

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in nineteen That started about nineteen ninety
five and went on for six years after

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that. Okay. The reason I
know the six years because I was on

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a ten year contract buying that house
and I sold it back to them after

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six years. Okay, Yeah,
that's that's what it is. My little

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frame of reference on time I went
back to Florida. These encounters are just

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period article. I mean, they're
not they're not it's not just going on

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all the time. Now, this
was going on all the time that they

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were out there all the time.
Now, now there were a few months

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from the winter I would say,
oh, probably mid December to mid March

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they were gone completely right, and
they'd come back around mid March and stay

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there until. You know. And
one time, the reason I knew there

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were juveniles other than seeing that one, was because one got apparently lost from

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his parents. There were these big
ravines that would go down in different parts

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of the woods. And one night
when I took little dogs out, this

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young one was just screaming. It
was it was you could tell it wanted

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its parents and that it was lost, and it was screaming for its parents.

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And I mean, it was just
it was just so obvious because they

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had their voice. Oh. But
one of the interesting things is one of

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the anthropologists out in Washington who I
talked to, he says that this was

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very common, which surprised me.
But one night I was calling a little

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female dog muffin. This thing was
over in another set of barns, on

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the other side of another pastor,
and it was trying to say words muffin,

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And it was just and it did
a good job, and it was

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in that deep It was apparently a
big adult, and it had that guttural,

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real deep guttural voice, and it
kept saying, Muffin, muffin,

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you're kidding me. It was mimicking
you calling your dog. Yeah. Yeah,

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And this doctor I can't remember his
name now, but he was an

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anthropologist at some university up around Seattle. But anyway, he was telling me

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that is very common that they've had
many reports to that. Yeah, I've

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heard. I have a friend of
mine who I'm actually including a lot of

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his stories in a book i'm pulling
together. But his grandmo when they were

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kids. They grew up here in
Mississippi, and when they were kids,

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his grandmother would call them in for
supper. She'd holler out their names and

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you know, you who or whatever
grandma's do. And so the kids got

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used to this, and then ever
once in a while they'd hear it and

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they'd come in and be all ready
to eat, and she'd go, I

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didn't call y'all in here. They
said, well, yeah you did,

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and that he's this guy's positive it
was the bigfoot mimicking their grandmother. I

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just think that is so amazing.
I think it could be. I really

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think it could be. He said. It sounded just like her, just

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like her. Well, I just
didn't mind, didn't But I mean you

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could you could hear the word pronounced
yeah. Now, if they can copy

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birds and things like that, I
don't see why they couldn't copy her.

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They've got to have a very complex
set of vocal cords to do it.

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In a brain that's able to make
those vocal cords. Do you know,

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their tongue and their mouth and everything
has to form almost like a humans does,

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because we're the only animals on the
planet that speak in a language to

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each other. Well, I think
that they have their own language. I

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think that they definitely communicate with that
gobbledee group. They talk, and they

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talk a lot, They talk an
awful lot. But let they tell you

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one of the funniest things. It
was the next night after this thing screamed

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at the edge of the woods,
Apparently it went over the highway, across

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the highway and down the hill to
another old farm back there that this couple

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from Norfolk, Virginia had just inherited
and a friend of mine was caretaking it

411
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for them, and so they were
coming in on a Friday night after work

412
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,440
the weekend there, and he met
them and they all went in the house

413
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,519
and it fixed a drink so they
didn't have a drink, and all of

414
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:59,640
a sudden, this things started the
same roar down there that it had at

415
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,759
my house the night before. It
scared those people so bad they got their

416
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,799
suitcases. They put them back in
the car and they told them, they

417
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:15,960
said, we will never stay where
that thing is. We will never be

418
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,920
back, oh bet. And they
never came back. They sold the place.

419
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,640
Wow, they sold it. They
never came back to sell it either,

420
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:28,839
but it steered them that bad way. I know this. I'm going

421
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,519
way back to the beginning of the
conversation. But did you tell the audiainst

422
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:36,279
where all this is happening or did
you decide not to h it was?

423
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:44,240
It's Virginia, Yeah, southern Virginia. Okay, Well, I think that

424
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:47,920
what if you if you ever go
to Google Earth and you look at the

425
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,119
land and where the woods are.
I think these woods come all the way

426
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:59,799
down from up and around the Skyline
Drive area, and they're not broken to

427
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,480
many times, so there's sort of
an area where they can just sort of

428
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,559
walk on forever. I think that's
what they do. I think that,

429
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:12,240
you know, they have plenty of
the area to go. I don't know

430
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,799
where they go in the wintertime,
but they've they've got somewhere where they go,

431
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,680
probably close to the east coast,
because I know from the woods that

432
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,839
were in the back of that house
on over to where the farm I used

433
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:25,279
to have was. I mean,
those woods would just go on forever.

434
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,880
The Lumba companies owned all those woods, and so they you know, nobody

435
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,440
ever built in them or anything else. And those woods are pretty permanent.

436
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,720
They just replan them, recut them, replan them, you know, but

437
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:44,960
they stayed thick. But also too, the that area had a lot of

438
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:50,559
UFO sightings as well. Before you
get into that, I have a question.

439
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,960
Were you friendly with your neighbors in
your house there in Virginia. I

440
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,799
didn't really have any neighbors because I
was curious. I was curious if other

441
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:07,559
people around the area. Were you
all talking and comparing notes or anything like

442
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:12,079
that. No, I didn't.
I never mentioned this to the to the

443
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,320
farmer that I was buying the house
from, because I you know, for

444
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,159
so long I thought it was him, and then by the time I realized

445
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,039
it wasn't him. He was doing
other you know, being really basically ugly,

446
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,920
you know, and I really didn't
want to deal with them at all,

447
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,719
so I never told them about it. And I didn't really know anybody

448
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,159
else there. Yeah, well except
except the fellow who was at that farm

449
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,880
across the highway. He knew about
it, so he was familiar with the

450
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,719
creatures. He was even. He
was even he was even able to duplicate

451
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,239
the sound. I couldn't. I
mean, because it's a sound that's never

452
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:52,880
heard before. Nothing else is in
my lifetime. I've never heard that same

453
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,199
sound. He was able to duplicate
it, which surprised me because I kept

454
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,840
trying to figures I could complicate that
and I couldn't do it, couldn't even

455
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,199
come close. So you had one
neighbor you talked too, Yeah, and

456
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,639
he wasn't exactly a neighbor. I
mean, everybody lives far away from each

457
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:13,239
other out there. Yeah. Yeah, I knew him, but we never

458
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,039
discussed all this, And you know, I never told about all things were

459
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,400
going on in the house. You
were about to get into some some other

460
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,440
things that have been happening. You
want to go to that Okay, yeah,

461
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:30,159
UFO situation wherever I lived in that
southern area of Virginia. There is

462
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:35,440
a huge uranium deposit close to the
surface of the earth in that area,

463
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,280
and it's the biggest in the world. And many of the big companies have

464
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:44,519
chemical rights and all that kind of
stuff to that land. A lot of

465
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,920
people have made a fortune selling a
lot of that land to these big companies.

466
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,960
I always wondered if they didn't have
something to do with the fact that

467
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:58,079
there were so many UFOs spotted around
that area, and some of them went

468
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,880
down the main street of the main
small city. It was reported. I

469
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,039
mean, you know, it was
even in the paper. It disappeared from

470
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,239
the newspaper, even from their archives, which was strange. It went right

471
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,400
down the length of main street.
One of the ufo. Then one that

472
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:19,480
was out by my farm several nights
in a road coming back. It also

473
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:24,440
went over that city where they were
playing a big baseball game, and everybody

474
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,599
saw it. It was hanging over
the farm next door to my farm.

475
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,000
I called some friends that were pretty
far away, but they were up on

476
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:36,599
a hill and they could see out
over the woods my way, and I

477
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,559
asked the cls side and look over
here and see what they saw. They

478
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:44,639
saw it too, at this location, at this place, that was a

479
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:50,199
big Foot activity. I was coming
home from twenty miles south of where I

480
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,800
lived. I had been visiting somebody, and I was coming home on the

481
00:36:52,840 --> 00:37:00,480
back road and I saw what looked
like two bright balls in the sky over

482
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,199
by where I thought the house was. And I kept going, and then

483
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,280
one ball started to move and it
came where I was driving back to where

484
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,880
I had just come from, and
the other ball stayed where it was,

485
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,000
which still looked like it was over
my farm. When I got to the

486
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:23,280
farm started down that long driveway,
I saw that ball. Then I had

487
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,880
I was bringing some stuff to someone
else. I thought, well, let

488
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,480
me go do that, and then
when I came back it was gone.

489
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,960
But when I went in the house, the phone was ringing, and the

490
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,519
gall that I had been visiting waste
the house called and said, hey,

491
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:42,760
did you see? She said?
My daughter in law just just called,

492
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,320
who lived near her, and said
that she saw this great ball of light

493
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:51,559
moving through the sky. Did you
see anything like that when you were driving?

494
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:52,639
I said, I sure did.
It went right over my head.

495
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,760
And so that was one that two
saw. And then another man who lived

496
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:04,679
near there used to work at a
factory over in town, and he'd go

497
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,480
in at four o'clock in the morning
and open up the place, and he'd

498
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,400
want to open it. He'd fixed
coffee and stand out there and look across

499
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,800
the countryside, and he said he
saw one almost every night hanging across the

500
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,039
countryside. He said he'd just stand
there and look at it. Well.

501
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:24,440
Then there was a local policeman who
told me that. He said, I

502
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,199
don't know flying telling you this,
He said, could never tell another soul.

503
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,280
He said, I came over here
with somebody else who were looking for

504
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,000
something. It was nice, and
we were going down the road next to

505
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,400
your house, you know, down
below your house in the back, and

506
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:43,320
that all of a sudden, this
bright object went flying past the back of

507
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,159
the car and we looked at each
other, and then all of a sudden,

508
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,119
over on the field. One side
was wood on the left and on

509
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,800
the right was open field. I
was on a dirt road, and he

510
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,440
said, there's this big ball of
white light hanging in the field over there,

511
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,960
just off the ground, floating,
And he said, it's scared us

512
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:07,880
to death. He said, I
didn't know what to do. He said,

513
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,400
I couldn't turn around. It was
a naracter a road. There was,

514
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,199
you know, a ditch on both
sides. Know where to turn,

515
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,119
And he said, so I kept
on going, and I kept on going.

516
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:20,119
That thing kept right by the side
of us, and it kept going

517
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:22,880
with us. And he said,
when finally came to a dairy, I

518
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,519
was able to turn around and head
back out. And he said when I

519
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,079
did, he said, the thing
was over in the field across from the

520
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,599
dairy entrance, and he said,
just hanging there. He said, I

521
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,320
thought, well, let me tromp
my lights and see what happened. So

522
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,559
he turned off his lights and the
thing started coming towards him. He said

523
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:43,000
it scared him so bad. He
wasn't trying to slights me. He was

524
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:45,840
so scared he couldn't remember how to
do it. He said. The only

525
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,079
thing he could figure out how to
turn on was the spotlight on the outside

526
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,320
of the police car. He said, as soon as he turned on that

527
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:55,079
spotlight, the thing stopped and then
just shot up into space. He said,

528
00:39:55,079 --> 00:40:00,000
they were so terrified. He said
he would never come back there again

529
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,440
unless it was the middle of the
daytime, and he would never go back

530
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,719
on that road. Ever, that's
a call. Yes, I wonder if

531
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,119
he ever reported that, Oh he
was terrified somebody was tomed out. Oh

532
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,760
he didn't want to report it,
did he do? Know? As a

533
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,800
matter of fact, I know the
only reason told me was because I was

534
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,840
getting ready to move back to Florida
then, and he thought that I might

535
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,559
have some antiques to sell. So
that's why he came over. And so

536
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,519
you know, I didn't have anything
to sell him. But we sat and

537
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:35,800
talked, and for some reason he
felt comfortable talking to me about that,

538
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,679
probably because he knew I was leaving. I wouldn't be here anymore and I

539
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,000
wouldn't talk to anybody. And you
can't blame him. As a small town

540
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,920
you know, the people can really
be vicious. So you know, I

541
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,480
don't blame him. I don't blame
him at all. Yeah, I've had

542
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:57,079
I've had some a couple of experiences. I even had one where I am

543
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,760
now, I had one. I
was out there once again. I tell

544
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,559
you you have to have a dog
to see these things, because you have

545
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,599
to go out with them last time
at night and stand there while you're waiting

546
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:13,239
for them to do their business.
That's when you see everything. It's really

547
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,119
it's true. I mean, most
everything I've ever seen her experience has been

548
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:19,320
when I've been out there with the
dog. But I was out there was

549
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,400
another little dog. This was,
oh, about three years ago. It

550
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:27,960
was in February, I remember that. And I'm standing there looking straight out

551
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,800
from my house waiting for her,
and from behind the house comes this massive

552
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,639
thing. It was. It was
oval from where I was, but I

553
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,239
was so close. It couldn't have
been much more than five hundred feet off

554
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,199
the ground. It was. It
was the size of the football field.

555
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,280
It was huge, and the lightsome
little town that I'm outside of were shining

556
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,920
off of it, off of the
bottom of the thing. And it just

557
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:59,199
kept moving in the same direction,
saying it was going about the same speed

558
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,400
as a freight train. And you
know, it didn't it didn't jump around

559
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,360
like you hear these things do and
all that. It was clearly on a

560
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,360
course for somewhere. And I stood
there watching it until it, you know,

561
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,280
when over the tree tops and was
gone. I reported that one.

562
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:19,239
Yeah, some remarkable experiences on this
place. It's amazing, I'd tell you.

563
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,360
I think sometimes when you're well,
like with the other place, with

564
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,280
all the big Foot. I mean, they could see that I was I

565
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,519
loved my animals, that I was
good to my animals, that I was

566
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,880
close to my animals, And I
think that they appreciate that. I think

567
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,000
that's one of the things that makes
them feel comfortable with you. I think

568
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:42,599
sometimes you have to be sort of
connected to nature in a way to be

569
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,800
able to see some of these things. I don't know what the answer to

570
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,280
that is, except most people are
so caught up in there, in there,

571
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,760
all the little dizzy stuff of their
lives that they don't look. They

572
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,159
don't they don't have time to just
stand and look and listen, you know.

573
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,239
They don't have time to that run
to this baseball game, or run

574
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,000
to that practice, or you know, run here, run there, cook

575
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:08,360
laundry at you know, and then
watch television. That's the way life is

576
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:14,760
in the United States, and especially
people who live in urban areas. It's

577
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,320
just that way. There are a
lot of distractions, and it's hard to

578
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:21,519
I don't know how old would you
say, uh kind of you know,

579
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,880
get into yourself and your surroundings.
But you said a couple of things that

580
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:30,440
every time I talk to someone like
you, I think of things that are

581
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:35,320
going on around here. That and
again people people keep saying, oh,

582
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,679
Cam, you got them, you
got bigfoot, And I don't think I

583
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,480
do. But for the last two
months, you know, I've got five

584
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:45,480
dogs, and three times a day
we make a do we go on a

585
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:47,480
long walk in the mornings, it's
about a mile and a half. And

586
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:51,360
then three more times during the day, I'll take a break from work and

587
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,159
I'll walk them around about a quarter
mile here, just round my house,

588
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:58,440
just to let them go to the
bathroom and all that stuff. And then

589
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,280
I take them out one one more
time at night before we go to bed.

590
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:06,000
And what's funny is the last couple
of months, about twice a week,

591
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,199
all the dogs will come in,
you know. They I let them

592
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,599
out, they all run off,
they all go out in the woods,

593
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:15,199
and they'll all come back except my
black little pit bull. Her name is

594
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,760
Betsy. I'll call her and call
her and call her. And where we

595
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,920
live, it's dark. We don't
have any street lights at all. I

596
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:25,159
wear a head lamp when I go
out at night. I'll be shining in

597
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,199
that head lamp all through those woods
and I can't find her anywhere. So

598
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,719
I'll go in twenty minutes later,
I'll go out, can't find her,

599
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,320
and then and then I'll find her
right at the edge of the woods after

600
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,639
I come back out again. You
know, it just varies on when I

601
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,840
finally find her. But she'll be
just sitting at the edge of the woods.

602
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,800
She'll just sit there, or she'll
be standing just staring off in the

603
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,880
woods. She won't be barking,
she's not growling. It's not wagging her

604
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,400
tail, she's not just showing any
you know, typical dog sign. She's

605
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,880
just standing there staring and it is
oh creepy. And I'll call her and

606
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,039
call her from the porch and she
won't come, and I have to walk

607
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,519
out and get and I'll have to
walk out and I just walk up to

608
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:10,880
her, real slow and quiet,
you know, and I'll say her name

609
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,920
when I get ten or fifteen feet
from her, and she'll turn around look

610
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,519
at me, and then she'll look
straight back out in those woods. And

611
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:21,679
I'll just stand there with her and
look trying to see what she's looking at.

612
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:24,320
She may not be looking at anything, but she may just be listening.

613
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:30,000
But she'll slowly turn her head.
She'll slowly turn her head and we'll

614
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,840
walk back to the porch and she
comes in the house. It is so

615
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:37,480
weird. But when you were talking
about your animals all facing towards the woods

616
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:42,800
earlier, that's exactly what I thought
about. It's yeah, yeah, And

617
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,880
the other dogs don't have any inclination
to do that. No, And Betsy

618
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,719
is she is always moving. She
never stops. She never stops like that

619
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:59,039
to just look at something or stare
off into space. She's always moving or

620
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:05,559
I don't know, looking for water
whatever. What's happen every time? Pretty

621
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:07,719
much? Yeah, it's right here, right here, actually behind my office.

622
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,079
So'll just sit there right at the
edge. That was just staring and

623
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:15,239
it is so have you ever gone
back there exploring to see if you can

624
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,360
see anything back in the daytime.
Oh, I'm back there all the time.

625
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,480
You haven't seen anything odd. I
never see anything odd here ever,

626
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,360
And I've walked over the month.
Each month, I walk every inch of

627
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,159
this place. And it's it's not
all my property. It's probably a combine

628
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:35,880
five or six hundred acres and I'm
either riding it or walking it. And

629
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:37,719
just because I like to be out. I just love to be out.

630
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:43,079
And the dogs like they hanging right
with me everywhere I go. So anyway,

631
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,960
but enough of that. I just
thought I thought that was so it's

632
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,000
such a weird sight. And I'm
going to I'm gonna bring one of my

633
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,239
big cameras. I usually keep them
out here in the office, so I'm

634
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,920
gonna bring one in one night and
then try to film her doing that and

635
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:02,360
show everybody on a video. Yeah, that's it's weird. Well, we'd

636
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,079
almost an hour, can you uh
yeah, can you believe it? And

637
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,239
I think I'll just took up ten
minutes of it. I'm sorry about that.

638
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,800
Oh, but I love that.
That's what I say. I find

639
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:20,599
all that fascinating. I really do. Yeah, animal behavior is really interesting.

640
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,880
Yeah, well I like to watch
to see what they do and and

641
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,760
you know, different groups have different
behavior patterns. And it's you know,

642
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,719
because I said, here my office, looking across a five acres, I

643
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,400
get this. You know, different
times of the year, I have different

644
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,840
groups of animals come in and I
get to watch to see how they interact

645
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,679
with each other and that type of
thing. It's fascinating. Yeah. And

646
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,480
now I have a huge pack of
kias that just somehow have arrived. They

647
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:54,440
howl and my dog goes crazy and
I'm now I'm afraid for him to go

648
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,320
out and roam on his own.
Yeah, they'll kill them. They say

649
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,440
dogs as competition and their codies are
and that's an animal. It's a whole

650
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:07,199
other topic. But and I'm not
an animal rights person at all, but

651
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,079
I have a huge respect for that
animal. And I won't get into all

652
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:13,920
the details of why I do now, but they're a I'll just tell you

653
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:20,360
this. They are. It's it's
the oldest animal historically, and it's they

654
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,599
are a unique North American animal that
they're not found anywhere else in the world.

655
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,880
And they've been here for I think
I'm true. I don't want to

656
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,400
say a number, but pret placed
to seen era and they roam the you

657
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,800
know where they are now here in
the East is not their natural range,

658
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,000
although it is now. They're so
able to adapt, and they're the most

659
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:45,199
persecuted animal in the history of the
world. There's never been an animal that

660
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:49,920
men have tried to kill out more
than the coyote. Well, and I

661
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,679
have to say I can understand it
because you know, I can't tell you

662
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,400
the number of nights on my own
farm that I had to sit out there

663
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:00,960
with a rifle all night in the
trust a spotlight and you know, try

664
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:07,320
to protect my cattle. And you
know, especially in the spring, that's

665
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:13,480
one animal that men can't control.
They're naturally here. They've right now,

666
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:17,000
Yeah, Coote's the only thing men
have ever done with Cody's trying to kill

667
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:21,639
them, and you they can't.
We cannot get rid of a matter of

668
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:24,760
fact, the most persecuted animal on
the face of the earth is the coyote.

669
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:30,079
Yet their numbers are more healthy than
they've ever been in the history of

670
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:35,480
the world. Isn't that amazing.
I didn't know anything about that. That's

671
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,760
fascinated. I just just read an
article that you know, a lot of

672
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,960
hunters are kill them all, kill
them all because they're killing our deer in

673
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,800
our Turkey. And I just read
an article. Uh, you probably don't

674
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:52,880
follow this guy, but Steve Ronnelly
has a podcast and a website and a

675
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,400
Netflix show called Meat Eater, and
he just released an article about about the

676
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,800
cody in the eastern United States.
And they're not hurting the deer population at

677
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,599
all. If you look at it
as a whole, the eastern whitetail is

678
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,960
as healthy as it's ever been deer
hunters are killing more deer than they ever

679
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:13,679
have, if there are more codies
than there's ever been, So the cody

680
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,159
dear thing is a myth. It's
not true. Well, and also too,

681
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:21,760
I heard that they can't take one
down unless they're in a huge fact

682
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,000
to do it, and they probably
don't need to. But you know,

683
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:29,639
since this group has been here,
you know, squirrels are the bane of

684
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:34,079
my existence. With this bird feeder
at you and you know, I do

685
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,039
everything. I put Vassoline on the
pole, I put w D forty on

686
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,159
the pole, I do everything I
can think of. And you know,

687
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:45,280
they always figured out eventually, and
they turn the bird fee here upside in.

688
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:49,079
So eventually I just stopped beating the
birds. This year, I have

689
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:54,360
no squirrels, not a single squirrel, and in fact, I have almost

690
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,599
no bird I've never seen it like
this. Where do you think's going on?

691
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,079
I don't know, there's nothing out
here. I mean, you know,

692
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:08,480
I wish they'd eat some frogs comes
by. I must have ten billion

693
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:14,480
frogs of every kind everyone's got.
I mean, I love listening to them,

694
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:19,360
but sometimes they're so loud I can't
hear myself think. Yeah, and

695
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:23,239
I wouldn't mind it all of these
if they frogs. Different areas go through

696
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,199
ups and downs of squirrels and songbirds. You know, there are years where

697
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:30,519
we don't seem any of this past
year, but I've seen more squirrels than

698
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,280
ever. I think it has a
lot to do with the acorn crop,

699
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:37,239
which helps a deer and all that
stuff. So well, I have hunters

700
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,880
down here now that I've never had
before either. So you know, I

701
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,280
used to have turkeys walking through the
yard every day, and you know,

702
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,960
deer every day. I don't see
anything anymore. It's sad. It'll probably

703
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,880
come back around. It'll be we
have turkeys around here, we see them

704
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,559
all the time, and then we'll
go six months and we won't ever see

705
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,480
them. And I haven't seen turkey. I haven't seen turkeys out my yard

706
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:04,519
and probably six months. And I
looked out today and there was eight or

707
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,679
nine I'm walking across my yard.
So they just kind of move around.

708
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:13,519
But just so anybody who heard me
say this about coyotes, don't misunderstand me.

709
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:17,679
Go kill all you want. I
am not in any way saying to

710
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,480
protect the coyotes, because here's the
deal, they don't need your protection,

711
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,920
you kill all you want, and
that their population will be right back where

712
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,679
it was within just a few months, and it might even be bigger.

713
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,280
So and if you don't, yeah, if you don't believe me, read

714
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,239
up on it. You'll find it
out that's true. So well, Janelle,

715
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,079
if there anything any parting words or
anything you'd like to tell anybody got

716
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,159
off of cryptids, Aaron started talking
about just natural wildlife. But is there

717
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:52,519
anything you'd like to say before we
end this show? Well, I don't

718
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:58,159
think so. I mean, I
definitely believe these things exist. I'm not

719
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,280
sure that they show themselves every body. I'm not. I think women alone

720
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:08,119
are probably more likely to run into
them because they're not intimidated by women.

721
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,719
I think. I think we are
sometimes their entertainment. I think when they

722
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,920
like to watch children play, they
like to watch what women are doing outside,

723
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,760
and they also like to watch what
we're doing inside. I now keep

724
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,519
my blinds as tight as I can
get them. I make sure that nobody

725
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:30,159
can see those little holes where the
thread goes through the blind. I'm careful

726
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:37,119
at nighttime now. But yeah,
I think they're less likely to bother houses

727
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,800
where they're men around. You're pretty
sure they're not aggressive, and or at

728
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,679
least the ones you've been in contact
with, we're never really super aggressive with

729
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,800
you. Were they only after the
researchers started coming down and going into their

730
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,400
territory. Now I would walk into
their territory too, but you know,

731
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,800
I was no threat. I think
they felt the men were a threat.

732
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:01,519
And then they took it out on
me by beating the side of the wall

733
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:06,800
and you know, then coming up
the rose thing up the side of the

734
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:13,559
wall, and you know, they
started showing I got a feeling of aggression.

735
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,719
I mean, it's time that one
jumping up and down and screaming and

736
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,320
then beating the wall, and that
was definitely aggression. But they took it

737
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,599
out on me. That's the interesting
thing. They felt that I was to

738
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:28,719
blame for those people coming down there
and getting in their business. So I

739
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,719
think they can be aggressive. They
definitely show anger. But the rest of

740
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,400
the time I think I was entertaining
them. I think I was their television.

741
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,519
But of course I don't think many
many people go to the wind and

742
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:51,480
talk to them either like I did, like an idiot. That's perfectly understood.

743
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,039
If I'd only known, If I
had only known I'd have been hiding

744
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:59,840
under the bed. So funny,
so funny. Well, listen, thank

745
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,639
you you so much for agreeing to
do this. You've been very gracious and

746
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:07,360
nice and sweet and very interesting to
talk to. Well, thank you.

747
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:13,559
I just don't want anybody else to
feel like they have to worry so much

748
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,800
about what people think. Who cares
what people think? You know, when

749
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,000
you get rought down to it,
if they were to pay my bills or

750
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,360
or to give me my paycheck,
I think twice. But until they do

751
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,920
that, I don't care a whole
lot, you know, you know,

752
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,559
I feel sorry for people who,
you know, have to keep it bottled

753
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:35,760
up inside them. I mean,
I've kept it bottled up for all these

754
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,639
years. I've never told anybody what
I've told you to night. But I

755
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:45,039
also see people struggling with it on
your website, and I don't I hope

756
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:49,079
that it'll help them not to struggle, you know, by telling you that

757
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:52,320
these things. So yeah, they
can you know, if they want to

758
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,559
get it off their chest or feel
compelled to, then you know, they

759
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:59,400
can email me just like you,
and we'll get you on here. And

760
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,320
yeah, they're in a very safe
thanks with you, right and or they

761
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,599
could just write it as a story
and I'll be glad to narrate it.

762
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:10,880
Everybody, thanks for listening. I
hope you enjoyed the video and we'll see

763
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,360
you guys on the next one.
Thanks