1 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,920 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jasinski, 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,920 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,879 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,239 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts, and make sure to 5 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:36,000 subscribe to the premium version of the Federalist dot Com. Today we're joined by 6 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:42,679 Wisconsin Congressman Tom Tiffany, who represents the seventh Congressional District Up there. Congressman, 7 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:45,960 thank you so much for joining us. Emily, it's good to join 8 00:00:46,039 --> 00:00:50,079 you today. Absolutely Now. You were elected back in May of twenty twenty 9 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:55,320 and a special election. You are on the Judiciary and Judiciary and National Resources 10 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:59,479 Committee. You long served in the Wisconsin State Assembly and the State Senate for 11 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,920 the twelfth district. But you also grew up in a dairy farm around Elmwood, 12 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,159 Wisconsin. You have a degree in agricultural economics. So I wanted to 13 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:11,519 see Congressman if you could just start by telling us a little bit about the 14 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:17,400 story that took you from that dairy farm to the United States Congress. Yeah, 15 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:21,480 I grew up on a dairy farm seven brothers and sisters Western Wisconsin, 16 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:25,159 you know, Clay kind of a classic big farm family that used to see 17 00:01:25,239 --> 00:01:30,200 back in fifteen sixty seventies. And so when I got to graduation out of 18 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,599 high school, my dad looked at my brothers, who are younger than me, 19 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,120 and he said, hey, I got better stock coming up. You 20 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:41,480 should move along. They were more soda different to the farm than I was, 21 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:47,280 so I went on. So, So I went on, got an 22 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:52,719 agricultural's degree a River Falls and actually used it for the first seven years of 23 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,319 my working career in southern Minnesota, and then I wanted to get back to 24 00:01:56,359 --> 00:02:00,400 Wisconsin, moved up to the Minoquo area kind of on a whim my wife 25 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,439 up here and settled here, moving up here in nineteen eighty eight, been 26 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:08,319 here ever since, and love Wisconsin's Northwoods. You know, I was going 27 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,159 to ask you to tell us a little bit about the seventh District because it's 28 00:02:12,159 --> 00:02:14,639 one of my favorite places in the world. This where my mom grew up 29 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,400 and I've spent a lot of time there. But it's also just politically a 30 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:21,879 fascinating place. Was represented by Democrat David Obie for a really long time and 31 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:27,680 then flipped in twenty ten with Congressman former Congressman Duffy and has been very pro 32 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:31,360 Trump and deep red on Trump issues ever since. So if you could tell 33 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:35,599 us just a little bit about, you know, what it's like. You 34 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,039 mentioned the Wisconsin Northwoods. People might not be familiar. What is Wisconsin seventh 35 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,159 District. What does it look like? Yeah, so people are familiar with 36 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:49,360 the geography of Wisconsin. So you kind of go from Florence in the northeast 37 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:53,520 part of the state, right next to Iron Mountain, Michigan. So Florence, 38 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,199 Wisconsin, draw Lyne, down to Wasaw, over to Marshfield, and 39 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,319 then over to Hudson, which is basically a suburb of the Twin Cities and 40 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,199 everything north of there. Now there's a little bit more than that, because 41 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,199 there's a little bit that goes down to the Nielsville area and the Ceda places 42 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:13,680 like that. But that's generally. The geography covers forty percent of the landmass 43 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:17,439 of Wisconsin, so one of eight congressional districts covers forty percent of the landmask. 44 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:22,560 So small towns, very rural, you know, a lot of logging, 45 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:27,039 forestry, tourism. As you know, Emily, this area that I 46 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,719 live in Manaqua, Rhinelander, Eagle River, lots of lakes as well as 47 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:32,759 you go over to Hayward. I mean, it's really big tourism area, 48 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:38,560 but a lot of manufacturing also, so it's really diverse like Wasaw and other 49 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:43,919 small communities, Marshal others. There's just a tremendous amount of manufacturing, just 50 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,560 like there isn't the rest of Wisconsin. All these you know, some big 51 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:52,560 manufacturers, but there's also lots and lots of small manufacturers. Also very diverse 52 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:57,280 agriculturally, so you've got dairy crop beef, but you know, we also 53 00:03:57,319 --> 00:04:01,439 have the Gin Sang growers that are here in north central Wisconsin. We also 54 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:09,319 have My district contains almost all the cranberry growers in Wisconsin. So it's really 55 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,039 it is it's the best district in Wisconsin and it's best district in the country. 56 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,879 Well, I'll basically always talk to somebody from any lawmaker from Wisconsin seventh 57 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,600 because I think there's so much about it. Epitomizes so many of the different 58 00:04:23,639 --> 00:04:28,120 political conflicts in the country right now, especially on economic issues. And to 59 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,600 that point, you mentioned, Hey, you grew up in a Yeah, 60 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:31,839 you know, if I could yeah, I could do it. Just another 61 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,959 quick second on that. So we think about I mentioned Hudson basically suburban twin 62 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:41,439 cities, you go up to Superior and that's as blue collar as it can 63 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:44,240 get, as well as much of the rest of the district. So you 64 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:49,000 have this combination of urban and our suburban I guess you would say in rural. 65 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,639 So it is a really diverse district, just in so many different facets. 66 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,399 So yeah, it's interesting. It's an interesting place. And the shift 67 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,360 from the years too, and presidentials too till to Trump. I think you 68 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:08,639 can learn so much about where a lot of rural Americans have shifted over the 69 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,120 years. And I wanted to ask you. You mentioned growing up on a 70 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:14,279 dairy farm in the fifties, sixties, and seventies, and when I hear 71 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:16,079 stories about, you know what Rhinelander you used to look like when the paper 72 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:20,160 mill was more robust, or we can talk about how private equity basically drove 73 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:25,360 that Brokaw I think it was a hedge fund actually drove that Brokaw paper mill 74 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:30,480 out of business and entirely closed Brokaw. It's a crazy story. I have 75 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:36,639 Republican policies been problematic for the people of your district. And it's not just 76 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,360 Republicans, of course, it was Democrats over the years, Bill Clinton, 77 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:45,000 plenty of Democrats were involved in some of these decisions too. But does looking 78 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,720 around your district now, do you wish other Republicans would maybe reflect on some 79 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:58,720 of the policies and how things might be worth changing or shifting for human flourishing. 80 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,519 Yeah, so you know you're right. Dave will be represent this district 81 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,959 for forty one years. I mean, a liberal lion in the House of 82 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:13,839 Representatives for decades, then all of a sudden it turns Republican. And it 83 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,680 actually it is what a lot of people call a trumpa district. But it 84 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:21,519 was moving in that direction before Donald Trump. So, I mean, this 85 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:27,319 is twenty ten when Sean Duffy was elected here, so that shift was beginning 86 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:30,519 to happen. And I think probably the watershed moment for a lot of people, 87 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,279 even though they may not be able to put their finger on it, 88 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:41,439 is when President Obama in his first term said I'm going to trade blue collar 89 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,079 America. I'm going to trade the unions for the what I would call the 90 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:54,040 environmental elites as well as the postal elites. Your big tech companies, which 91 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,120 he was always very close, you know, with Google, Facebook, all 92 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,879 those people. And there was basically that trade that went on, and so 93 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:05,079 many people found that they no longer had a home in the Democrat Party and 94 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:10,360 so they've come over to the Republican side, and there's been the trade off 95 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,399 also that's going on with Donald Trump. I would say to me, Donald 96 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:21,519 Trump had this influence on me. I always went along with the Republican thinking 97 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:28,160 for decades in regards to foreign policy and war, and I was very supportive 98 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,920 of US going into the Middle East twenty years ago, and Donald Trump really 99 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:36,079 made me rethink that. And the other thing that he really made me rethink 100 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,759 was trade policy. I always was like, hey, free trade, let's 101 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,480 just trade whatever. But he really hit the nail on the head when he 102 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,000 said, you know, if it's not fair trade, then how can it 103 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:56,720 be free trade? And so that really hit a nerve with a lot of 104 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:00,800 the American people, especially in blue collar districts like I have that have a 105 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:05,199 lot of manufacturing. You've seen the same shift in Minnesota's eighth which is Duluth 106 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,720 and North which peace Star Wars there. Now they had Democrat for years. 107 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,720 Look at the Upper Peninsula Democrat for years, you have a Republican there, 108 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:18,040 So you've seen this shift in districts light hours, including the seventh And are 109 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:24,439 you confident, you know, are you confident that Republicans have kind of other 110 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,319 Republicans have learned those lessons so that when you get to these kind of statewide 111 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:37,159 elections that it's an appealing message that the working class is not just when Trump 112 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:39,399 is on the ballot, but when other Republicans are on the ballot feels heard 113 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:45,679 by Republican politicians. Do you think that change is taking place, that the 114 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,200 shift has sort of really happened, or do you think it's still you know, 115 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:54,759 members that represent districts like you are still you know, in the process 116 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:58,000 of trying to get that message out to the rest of the party. I 117 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:03,000 would answer your question this way. I'm like, I think that this shift 118 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,279 in political dynamics is continuing as we speak. So as I said to you, 119 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,039 this started before twenty sixteen. I mean, you can really go back 120 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,840 to Scott Walker being elected in twenty ten, which I came in the same 121 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,120 year as he did. When I was when I entered the state Assembly, 122 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,440 and you saw that shift happening at that point. For example, one of 123 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,440 the big criticisms of Governor Walker when they were trying to recall him back in 124 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,360 twenty eleven twenty twelve is there was a lot of people said, he doesn't 125 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,120 even have a college education. He's a governor, he doesn't even have a 126 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:39,840 college education. I think that hit the nail on the head. So I 127 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:46,399 think that was what's the word that I would use. I just think for 128 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,519 a lot of people that hit home for them, and they're like, hold 129 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,759 it, why can't somebody be governor that does not have a college degree. 130 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:56,960 And it was this kind of elitest view that people had that if you don't 131 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,679 have a college degree, then you certainly can be a governor, And especially 132 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,639 in my district, where you have fewer people that are college educated, probably 133 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,519 than any of the other eight districts. The third might be, well, 134 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,320 that's got all the college towns in it, so certainly the seventh has probably 135 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,919 the fewest percentage of college educated people. And so for them, they were 136 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:26,480 like, you're really looking down on us. And so that shift I think 137 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:28,919 began through that whole period of time, and there were other things that were 138 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:33,320 going on too besides that, But I think that's a really good metaphor for 139 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:35,519 what was happening and the message that was to be sending to people, and 140 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:41,200 they started to move to the Republican side. Wells, some on the college 141 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,039 educated front started to move on the Democrat side, especially in regards to the 142 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,840 cultural issues that we saw play out in twenty twenty two, especially with the 143 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:52,320 issue of abortion. But I would just say this, the shift continues, 144 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:58,840 and that this shaking out where the electorate is going to end up for perhaps 145 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:03,720 a few decades, which happens in American history. You can see it. 146 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,279 It's happened a number of times throughout American history. I think that is still 147 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,720 going on as we speak. You know. That's so interesting on a lot 148 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:13,320 of levels, and one of them, I don't mean this as a leading 149 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,639 question. I'm genuinely curious because the working class the left likes to depict is 150 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:24,200 being unanimously pro union, unanimously like they're they're all, they all are just 151 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,600 completely on board with everything unions say at every given turn. And we have 152 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:35,120 seen union organizing increase, We've seen support for unions hit high and as opposed 153 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:37,480 to recent history, right now it seems to be creeping towards a high that's 154 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,000 really interesting. But it's also I wonder does it make it Is it a 155 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,000 hurdle at all for Wisconsin Republicans who sort of were used Act ten or saw 156 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,080 Act ten as like a cornerstone of Republican policies for a lot of I think 157 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:58,240 fair reasons. Does it create a barrier to talking to working class voters at 158 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,039 all? And I'll preface that as I toss it to you by saying, 159 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:03,960 I think the left would say, of course it does. But the real 160 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,240 answer is probably a lot more complicated, because it's not you know, they're 161 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,039 not as monolithic as the left probably says. Yeah, it is more complex 162 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,879 than that. So certainly, when you saw the Act ten reforms that were 163 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:18,600 put in place a decade ago, there were certainly a lot of people that 164 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,639 were supportive of unions that I mean, that was a watershed moment for them. 165 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,120 But if you look at you look at especially blue collar people, whether 166 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,879 they belong to a union or not, and you'll see the union leadership for 167 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:39,759 examply supported President Biden in twenty twenty. They've supported Democrats nationally in twenty twenty 168 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:43,960 two also, But you see the rank and file they'll just tell you we're 169 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:48,000 voting Republican. We know, we know who supports us and who doesn't. 170 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:52,639 And another reason that's so interesting, as you mentioned abortion, and there was 171 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:58,399 this national media narrative after the election that there's a Supreme Court election last month 172 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:03,120 that did not go in the conservative direction, that Republicans have gotten trounced specifically 173 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,840 because of the issue of abortion. And you know, maybe there is some 174 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:11,360 truth to that, but point aside, in a district like yours, again 175 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,919 just at a genuine curiosity, what do you think or how do you think 176 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:22,759 Republicans should be talking about the issue of abortion. So I think one of 177 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,399 the problems through twenty twenty two is that the decision came down in regards to 178 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,360 the jobs case, and I found many of the pro life groups we're not 179 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,200 in the same place as far as what they should do host jobs, and 180 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:43,240 so I don't think that there was a good consistent messaging, whereas the other 181 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,639 side the messaging was very consistent. Women, they're taking away your rights, 182 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,960 they're taking away your rights. In fact, you still hear that yet today, 183 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,840 and it was a powerful message. I mean, Republicans should not be 184 00:13:54,879 --> 00:13:58,080 in denial on this This is a very potent issue and it will continue to 185 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,320 be a potent issue that Democrats are going to continue to drive a wedge because 186 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,120 when you look, when I look at so I have three daughters, all 187 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:11,960 adult, and you know, I think about my sisters that I grew up 188 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,159 with and stuff like that, and they're not monolithic about that issue. And 189 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:22,039 there's other issues that we didn't emphasize enough. I think crime we did a 190 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:24,480 pretty good job on. But crime is a very big issue, especially for 191 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,559 women because they're more often than not the victims of crime. The other thing 192 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:33,639 is Title nine. I talk about it all the time. The Biden administration 193 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:39,720 is fully on board with allowing biological males to play girls sports. I mean, 194 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:43,559 what woman believes that is correct. There's a few, but not very 195 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:50,200 many and certainly not the seventh District of Wisconsin for sure, But also allowing 196 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,080 men in women's bathroom stuff like that. I mean, the Biden administration and 197 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,279 the left is fully on board with that. And I think that's probably where 198 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:03,879 our failing was Emily is we perhaps did not have the firepower to be able 199 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:05,600 to get that message out, or we failed to get the message out, 200 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,840 regardless of how it happened. We didn't, and it cost us voters in 201 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:16,120 twenty twenty two. So I think there are ways to go about this too. 202 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:22,840 I don't believe that any segment of voters male, female, you know, 203 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:26,919 whatever racial makeup there. I just don't believe that they are monolithic and 204 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:31,120 how they view the world. And you got to you got to message them 205 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:35,360 with things that are important. Yeah. Title nine is such such such a 206 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:41,679 good example of where Republicans have failed to carry that banner and take that message 207 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:46,480 into districts like yours and races by the way, Emily on that issue. 208 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,879 So when we pass legislation each week, we go out and do a quick 209 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:54,960 survey from um from constituency, we ask them, you know, what do 210 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:00,320 you think of this the So the eighty seven thousand IRS agents was the most 211 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:03,440 potent issue that we had pulled here, which was the first week if you 212 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,679 remember back in the congressional session, and there was the first week, and 213 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:12,519 that one was at the top in terms of the most people that said we 214 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:18,279 really support you not funding eighty seven thousand more IRS agents. Well, it's 215 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:22,600 now number two because we messaged Title nine. When we did the Title nine 216 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:26,960 bill, just a couple of weeks ago, and it was overwhelming. I 217 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,279 mean, it was like ninety two to eight where people are like, Noah, 218 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,200 that's just wrong allowing man to play girls sports. And by the way, 219 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,240 the Obama administration did that in twenty sixteen, and Republicans could have been 220 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,720 running on it ever since, but rarely talked about it. So it's good 221 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:47,559 that you know it's in the mix now. Another question on that note that 222 00:16:47,639 --> 00:16:52,159 I have is what happened. I think last week with the debt ceiling bill 223 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,919 among House Republicans was a remarkable feat and I think it quite a testament both 224 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:03,240 to Tuesday Group folks, Freedom Caucus folks and the Speaker's Office Speaker Kevin McCarthy 225 00:17:03,319 --> 00:17:07,720 himself, that you guys are able to get a sort of consensus build together 226 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:11,640 on that. I want to ask how you think people in your district feel 227 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:18,319 right now about the debt ceiling a potential default, about how Republicans and you 228 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,359 know President Biden doesn't want to negotiate at all, there should be no conditions 229 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,799 on a debt sailing raise. As you talk to folks, how do you 230 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:29,519 think they're going to respond to all of this? If potentially Republicans. You 231 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:33,359 know, Biden doesn't negotiate with them, He refuses to come to the table. 232 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,880 Republicans get blamed unfairly by the media for causing a default. How are 233 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,839 you sort of explaining this to constituents and how are they responding? So there 234 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,799 is quite a number of constituents, and I asked my staff to give me 235 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:48,599 their names and numbers of people that said, we don't want you to vote 236 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:52,559 for any debt sailing increase, because as you know, it was one point 237 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,480 five trillion with the various trade offs that we're in there that if we're able 238 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,480 to hold of them, they get us to four point eight trillion dollars of 239 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:02,640 savings over the next ten years, as well as other good stuff that was 240 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,559 in there. And there are people and I call those people and I explained 241 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:11,160 why I voted for it, and to a person, they understood what we 242 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,359 were attempting to do after having explained that, you know, you have these 243 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:22,359 provisions to the student loan bailout, that that will not become law, that 244 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,880 there'll be work requirements, and there are a couple other provisions. And they're 245 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,000 also flowing back some of the COVID money that's still out there. There's various 246 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,160 things like that. So when they heard that and I explained to them, 247 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,920 you know, this is why I voted for it in exchange for the increase, 248 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,920 they were like, yeah, okay, we get it. And so 249 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:47,960 I think people understand it, and I think we're actually in a strong position 250 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,279 if we hold tough. Give Speaker McCarthy a lot of credit for bringing people 251 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:55,720 together. I belong to the Freedom Caucus. I give my fellow Freedom Caucus 252 00:18:55,759 --> 00:19:02,680 members a lot of credit on this because immediately after having accomplish what we wanted 253 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,599 to in the Speaker's race, to make sure the House of Representatives is more 254 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,839 transparent and accountable, because that's ultimately what we did. And I always tell 255 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:17,319 people that that was good not just for Republicans but for Democrats also because when 256 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,480 you had the rules in place that Nancy Pelosi had, you had no role 257 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:23,960 in the minority. You had no role at all. Now you can offer 258 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,359 an amendment from the floor if you're a Democrat, whereas we could not do 259 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,880 that as Republicans with the rules that Nancy Pelosi had in place. So that 260 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,640 part was really good, And then Freedom cauc has shifted immediately two things like 261 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:45,200 the debt limit debate as well as the upcoming budget, and these are good 262 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,240 things that we helped accomplish. I give Speaker McCarthy a lot of credit for 263 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:52,799 putting together the two hundred and eighteen votes to get us there. Yeah, 264 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,000 it's been that I think really strategic how he's and actually very impressive how he's 265 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,319 been able to build up the level of goodwill that he has with the Freedom 266 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,240 Caucus. He's very very intentional about it, so I think that's obviously played 267 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,839 a huge role in it. But you know, it seems that like when 268 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,519 push comes to shove, if the negotiations go further and he has to negotiate 269 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:15,640 with President Biden, which means he might need to negotiate with the Freedom Caucus 270 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,519 again, he really does have good He's starting from a place of goodwill with 271 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,960 the Freedom Caucus right now, which is very different than past leaders. From 272 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:27,079 Ryan Abayner, Well, I think the thing that he understood about this is 273 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,000 that you've got to get if you get a bill out of the House that 274 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,519 everybody and that we can get I'm enjoy that we can get the votes if 275 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:40,240 you get that over and to the Senate and the President Biden and say, 276 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:42,200 you guys, we passed a bill. What are you going to do? 277 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,480 And that's really the point that we're at at this point, What are you 278 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,920 going to do, Chuck Schumer? I mean, we've sent this bill over 279 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,960 and by the way, you have some members like Joe Manchin that like some 280 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:56,160 of the things that we did. What are you going to do about this? 281 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,640 Don't just come back to us now and say we're going to do a 282 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,680 clean debt sailing increase. And that's good enough, because I mean, even 283 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,519 Met Romney, I don't know if you saw it in the last couple of 284 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,839 days, he said, I support the House bill. So how is he 285 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,960 going to get Republicans at this point to be able to vote for it, 286 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,119 which he's going to need nine or ten to get to cloture. And so 287 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,720 it's time for President Biden and Chuck Schumer to pony up here, to get 288 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:26,279 to the table and let's be fiscally responsible, because that's exactly what we did, 289 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:30,279 and we really hit the right issues in terms of the additional things that 290 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:36,200 we put in there, like like the work requirements. I don't know if 291 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,799 you saw the referendum that was held in Wisconsin on the same day as the 292 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:45,039 Supreme Court election eighty eighty twenty, people said that while they're voting against a 293 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:51,839 conservative justice, they're voting for work requirements. And it past eighty twenty. 294 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,160 This is such a strong issue with the American people. They agree with us. 295 00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:59,400 The lowering energy costs. The American people agree with us. HR one 296 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,599 is going to be such a good bill because it gives certainty, does not 297 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:06,440 compromise our environmental standards in any way, but give certainty so that we could 298 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,599 be energy independent in America. People agree with that. I just think we're 299 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:14,039 in a very strong position at this point, and I think we need to 300 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:18,359 stand tough. If Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden aren't going to say, now, 301 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,599 you guys got to give us just a clean clean, debts increase because 302 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:23,759 to think about, what are you saying that, Okay, we're gonna give 303 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:27,200 you another credit card. Well, we've been printing credit card after credit card 304 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:33,480 over the years. Why do you think that the thought of a default goes 305 00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:38,240 on because we've been profligate. Stop the profligacy, right, especially when inflation 306 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,319 is where it is and we have all kinds of indications that the mounting debt 307 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,640 is contributing to these pocketbook issues for average families. And it's interesting you mentioned 308 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:51,880 the work requirements section because a lot of people on the left like to sort 309 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,279 of sneer at people on the right who care about issues like that, despite 310 00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:00,440 the fact they don't live in a border state, or they're just obsessed China, 311 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:02,400 despite the fact, you know, this is what the left says, 312 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,079 despite the fact that they have no reason to worry about our foreign policy with 313 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,400 China because they're from a state, but it has no issues involved. You 314 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,920 actually have a bill you introduced late last month that would force Biden to close 315 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,000 the Chinese Consulate General in Hong Kong Economic and Trade Office in New York. 316 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:22,960 And I can see the left asking, you know, it's in New York. 317 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,400 What does this have to do with Congressman Tom Tiffany's district in Wisconsin. 318 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,680 Can you tell us just a little bit about those issues, in particular immigration 319 00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:33,480 in China. You've taken hard stances on them, why it does matter to 320 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:37,400 people in northern Wisconsin. Yeah, So, first of all, every state 321 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,359 is a border state. I had one of the components in the bill that 322 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,119 came out of Judiciary to secure the border, the part in regards to immigration 323 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,200 parole, which by the way, the Biden administration is looking at really ramping 324 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,480 it up here as we speak. And so every states of border state, 325 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,640 especially when you look at like Fantanel human afficking, it goes on in every 326 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,000 state. So what happens as the sheriff's down in Arizona say to me, 327 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:07,920 what comes in our front door is going to end up in your backyard. 328 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,319 And that is exactly that is exactly what's happening. But you look at the 329 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:17,920 Communist Chinese government setting up these police stations around the world, and now we 330 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:25,400 find out once in New York City, and so they're going after especially Chinese 331 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:32,480 expatriates that trying to keep to them under their thumb. And that's just the 332 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:34,720 way that President she and the Communist Party acts at this point. You mean, 333 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,880 all you gotta do is look at Hong Kong. Is Hong Kong a 334 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,839 free place anymore? It is not. Look at what happened to the weakers 335 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,079 in western China. They harvest their organs, their slave labor. And then 336 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,200 you look at Taiwan with them threatening Taiwan a week after week over the last 337 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:53,480 number of months. This is how they operate. They are the bully of 338 00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:59,680 the world, and now they're coming to America and trying to bully in our 339 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,079 country. That should be unacceptable. You know, if they want to do 340 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,359 it in communist China, you know, that's their choice, if that's how 341 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,519 they want to act. But this is in the United States, where we 342 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:12,559 believe in freedom and liberty. We believe in the Bill of Rights, we 343 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:17,480 believe in the Constitution, and that people should be able to stand up if 344 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,799 they disagree with someone's particular political view, whether it's mine or somebody on the 345 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:27,000 other side of the aisle. And they're trying to stifle that with these police 346 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,920 stations that they're building around the world, including in the United States. And 347 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:36,319 by the way, there's one in Minneapolis right next door to my district. 348 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:40,640 And so we're just sending the message, Biden administration, you need to be 349 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:48,440 serious about this. The bully is taking another step in their effort to seek 350 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,960 world domination. President she is made actor in the twenty first century. That's 351 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,759 what they want to do, and we need to say stop at some point, 352 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,599 because as a neighbor told me once when I was going personal Antois going 353 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:04,359 through something like this, he said, they're going to step on your toes 354 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,799 until you tell them to stop. If you don't tell them to stop, 355 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:11,480 they're going to continue to step on your toes and cause you to take another 356 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,319 step backward. You need to decide when you're going to stop taking a step 357 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,680 backward. And that's the decision that we need to make, and I think 358 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:25,640 it's right now. We appeasement doesn't work. History is littered with the bones 359 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,880 of people that had been part of the appeasement process. We should not appease 360 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:37,440 communist China at this point. And actually, on that note, with immigration, 361 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,279 the opioid crisis seems to be taking on a different face on a weekly 362 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:45,720 basis now because cartels, which get to combine both of these issues. Cartels 363 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:51,319 get the precursor chemicals from China and have started mixing things like trank, mixing 364 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,000 things into fentanyl that make it almost hard. It limits the use of narcan, 365 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,400 and that's been extremely problematic around the country. Can you tell us a 366 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:06,559 little bit about what you're seeing in your district and why that makes this border 367 00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:11,039 issue so much more urgent As Title forty two is set to expire on May 368 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,720 twelfth, talk to any sheriff across America, including right here in my district. 369 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,240 They will tell you that fentanyl and those drugs that are coming across the 370 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:26,319 Southern Order border, in particular fentanyl and methamphetamy, they are killing people. 371 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,559 I mean my home county of Oneida County. One of the lieutenants said it 372 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:36,359 is now the number one killer of young people, even higher than traffic accidents 373 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,920 in Oneida County. So it's happening all over the country. And the Chinese 374 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:47,200 know that they're sending these analogs to Mexico and then the cartels brew them into 375 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,920 the fentanyl and all the other stuff that we see all over America. And 376 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,079 I got to say, Emily, I don't feel life of me understand those 377 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,559 folks on the other side of the aisle that will not sign on to securing 378 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,680 the board if for no other reason, you know, Set aside that we've 379 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,759 had more people come in on the Terror Watch than ever in America in the 380 00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:11,839 last two years. Set aside the human trafficking that's going on in an incredible 381 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,279 scale. Set those aside, just vegam All alone, number one killer of 382 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:21,039 young people ages eighteen to forty five in America. If for no other reason, 383 00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:23,000 we should secure the border. Because of that, I, for the 384 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:27,519 life of me cannot understand why this national emergency is going on. What truly 385 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,200 is We hear crisis used all the time, right, what is truly a 386 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,839 crisis is not treated that way by people on the other side of the aisle. 387 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:37,240 Right, they don't want to call it a crisis, but they'll send 388 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:42,000 fifteen hundred troops to the border when they realize it's about to get snowball as 389 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:45,640 on May eleventh, eleven fifty nine pm. They know that that's going to 390 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,319 be a pandemonium, and so they'll they'll do their little pr well, yeah, 391 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,319 yeah, exactly, And it is a pr stunt because you don't have 392 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,799 to send fifteen hundred troops to the border. You don't have to. They're 393 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,720 doing some more drug interdictions. Now I've seen something came out from the Attorney 394 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,359 General's Office in regards to that. You don't have to do any of those 395 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,240 things. All you got to do is secure the border. All you have 396 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,599 to do is support the bill that came out of the Judiciary Committee where you 397 00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:15,799 have to have your asylum hearing in Mexico or a safe third country. If 398 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,720 you just do that, the border is secured, because you will stop the 399 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:23,759 pull of all these people that want to come from around the world to America. 400 00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,160 I'd be remissive. I didn't ask about a report from my friend John 401 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,519 Gizzie over at Newsmass Max last month. He said, quote, you are 402 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:37,319 increasingly considered a likely carrier of the GOP banner against sitting Senator Tammy Baldwin. 403 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,119 John goes on to report, you recently told the reporters that you would do 404 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,079 quote what's best for the state of Wisconsin. You got a career politicians, 405 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,240 Tammy Baldwin. Why do we have the highest inflation since the seventies? Cost 406 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:52,319 of living has gone through the roof for people in Wisconsin. You said there 407 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,160 needs to be changes made in the Senate, so that obviously is a big 408 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,480 question here. But do you have a timeline on and you expect to have 409 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:06,119 that decision? You know? Sincerely, I am so busy right now. 410 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:11,000 Judiciary, Natural Resources are such they are the best committees. We have so 411 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:12,640 much action that's going on. I mean, think about it. We want 412 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,359 to get to energy independence, and a lot of that happens in natural Resources. 413 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,039 I was just in a hearing yesterday with my colleague Pete Stauber up in 414 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,559 northern Minnesota in regards to producing minerals here in America rather than with slave labor 415 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,920 and other places around the world. And then of course Judiciary. I mean, 416 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,720 we have all the hot I mean, the hot topics are there, 417 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,000 whether it's the FBI and all the rest. So I am so busy doing 418 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,839 those things. But there'll come a time over the next number of months that 419 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,279 I'll be able to evaluate what I want to do there. And that is 420 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,839 heartfelt. In regards to going back to my days in the Assembly when people 421 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,680 were asking me if I wanted to run for State Senate, I just said, 422 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,039 I'm going to go to the place where I think I can do the 423 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,799 most good for the people of state of Wisconsin. And that's what the decision 424 00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,200 will be for the United States Senate. I look forward to talking to other 425 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,200 candidates that may be interested on the Republican side to see what their plan is, 426 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,599 because one thing that needs to happen at this point in Wisconsin is that 427 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,319 you got to give credit to to Ben Wickler, the head of the Democrat 428 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:19,359 Party of Wisconsin. He is convinced the rich coastally leads that Wisconsin is where 429 00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:25,119 it goes through, especially with the presidential legend. If you don't win Wisconsin 430 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,480 as they saw in twenty sixteen, you got big trouble. So he's convinced 431 00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:33,640 them to pour all this money in what we need now our candidates that have 432 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,119 a plan immediately after the primary from day one. You've got to be ready 433 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,200 to go toe to toe and have enough money to be able to do that. 434 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:45,839 If you don't, then you should reconsider whether you're going to run for 435 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,799 a statewide office. And that certainly factors into my thinking. I want to 436 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,640 make sure that I have the resources available if I were if I were to 437 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,319 choose to do this. And by the way, there's one other baby if 438 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:01,240 in there, and that does have to be clear by the family. I 439 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:05,440 was just gonna ask, yes, I imagine it does. That's probably the 440 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:08,240 most important hurdle. And that's right. You know. I'm glad you brought 441 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:12,839 up the Wisconsin Democratic Party because yeah, I remember they were able to fund 442 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,720 raise just insane numbers for someone like Randy Bryce back in when he was trying 443 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:22,079 to get at Paul Ryan's seed. And I wanted to actually ask I remember 444 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:28,079 about covering the Senate race in twenty eighteen. I covered that race pretty quote 445 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,559 closely, interviewed both of the primary candidates on the Republican side, and my 446 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,160 own like sort of tough news take on the Wisconsin Republican Party or just like 447 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,400 constructive criticism is that the winning streak they went on in the Obama years, 448 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,480 which was very impressive, made some folks a little bit too confident, maybe 449 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:51,599 a little bit too insular. And that's interesting because Trump's successes in districts like 450 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:57,559 yours really brought some new voters over to the Republican Party and got Republicans talking 451 00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:00,839 about things in different ways. Meanwhile, where I'm in the Wow counties, 452 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,640 we saw less than stellar numbers in this last election. So it just kind 453 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,400 of creates this interesting question of, like how Wisconsin Republicans can appeal to the 454 00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:16,880 rural working class and also maybe appeal to some of the suburban voters that were 455 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,680 uncomfortable with Donald Trump. You know, they mostly went for Ted Cruise in 456 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:29,640 Wisconsin Republican presidential primary. How can the Wisconsin Republican Party sort of get into 457 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,160 good shape so that it produces candidates in the Senate race that you may or 458 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,839 may not enter and others that are really able to bridge that gap. Yeah, 459 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,920 so I mean to take a look at it. So what did President 460 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,839 Biden say when he announced just in the last week, he said, We're 461 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:51,319 going to finish the job. Finishing the job is finishing America to mean, 462 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,200 think about it. If you have former years of Joe Biden in regards to 463 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:57,720 the border, six million people have come in illegally. Do you want another 464 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,960 six million? Go talk to the mayors of Chicago in New York City right 465 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,880 now who are basically saying no moss. And even they who said, hey, 466 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,400 we'd love to be sanctuary cities, they don't want to be anymore because 467 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:15,840 they're seeing the practical impact of this. And if you look at energy security, 468 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,519 energy independence, we lost that with President Biden. Our foreign policy is 469 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:24,559 in shambles at this point, and so you have all these things that President 470 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:28,760 Biden has not done well. We need to make sure that we're focused on 471 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,840 the issues. But then we also need to make sure we have the resources 472 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,519 to be able to deliver that message, because that is one place that we 473 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,280 have been lacking. Is I look at the governor's race twenty twenty two, 474 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,480 I look at the Supreme Court race. Here just a month ago, and 475 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:51,039 we were we were we were overwhelmingly outspent by the Democrats because they the coastal 476 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,199 elites, the billionaires are on the Democrats side now and we're going to have 477 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,480 to find a way to close that gap in order to be successful. I 478 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,199 would say one other thing, and that is we do need to try to 479 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,719 compete in Dane County. Dane County is fastest growing county, basically added fifty 480 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,559 to sixty thousand voters in the last ten years from twenty ten to two thousand 481 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,800 and twenty. We had to go compete in Dane County. I believe I 482 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,559 heard that our gubernatorial candidate did not one add on Madison Television in the final 483 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:24,440 thirty days of the governor's election. You can't leave the second biggest marketplace in 484 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:31,679 Wisconsin without any message getting out. So I think we've got a good message. 485 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,360 We just need to make sure we get it out and we need to 486 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,400 go compete in Dane County. It's a really interesting point, and I wanted 487 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,360 to before you've been really generous at your time, before I let you run, 488 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,559 Congressman, check in on the situation over in lock Flambo. Obviously you're 489 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,519 very close to where all of this is unfolding up in Manaqua, where non 490 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:58,119 tribal residents have basically been trapped in their houses. Of folks haven't heard of 491 00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,280 the story. It's it's absolutely unbelievable. Bowl on the Edgeboa reservation over this 492 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,599 land dispute about who controls the roads. You've been following the situation really closely. 493 00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:08,559 You've talked to some of our reporters of Vita Daffy about it. Can 494 00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:14,800 you tell us where things stand right now? Yeah, So I'd say we're 495 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,480 kind of in the second phase now of what's going to happen. So the 496 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:22,800 lack of Flambo tribe has a legitimate claim in regards to the easement that they 497 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,239 have that's been expired and they're not being compensated for. So they have a 498 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,360 legitimate issue there. What I think is illegitimate is how they go about negotiating 499 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:37,159 when you barricade people into their homes at on January thirty first, and a 500 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:42,920 week that the temperatures were twenty five below here in northern Wisconsin, and you're 501 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:49,039 basically threatening people's lives by barricading roads at that point, And so I don't 502 00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:52,719 agree with the approach they took there. Also, they went from asking for 503 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,840 ten million dollars for just a couple of slivers of these easements to twenty million 504 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,239 dollars after they announced, after they put the barricades up, so it really 505 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,639 just appeared to be extortion. And I think the biggest thing though, is 506 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:13,880 they won't produce the appraisals that have been done on these easements. And I 507 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,599 suspect we know why they don't want to produce those appraisals, because if you're 508 00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:22,000 ever going to have a negotiation and they say they want to negotiate, the 509 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,480 tribal Council does if you want to negotiate, then you got to negotiate a 510 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,320 good faith and that includes having those appraisals. And by the way, I 511 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,800 do put this on largely on the tribal Council. There's a number of tribal 512 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,199 members that do not agree with this. This is not monolithic and the tribal 513 00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:44,719 Council really should be taking a different approach. And I'm hearing that there's frustration 514 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,079 now that they went and pulled out of the agreement they had with the Monoqua 515 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:53,639 Chain of Lakes, which they agreed not to spear for five years to be 516 00:37:53,679 --> 00:38:00,960 able to rebuild the walleye population. They kept can line anglers off as well 517 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:07,280 as spearing and largely has not been fished. It's catching release people have not 518 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,679 been taking and that's been going on for about five years. I understand that 519 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,639 they're going to pull out of that agreement. So you really wonder at what 520 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,400 point are they going to negotiate in good faith? They being the tribal council. 521 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,400 I believe the tribal Council is not being served well at all by their 522 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:29,119 attorney out of Minneapolis. I mean, he sits there far away over in 523 00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,679 the Twin Cities, and you know, such a place where you know, 524 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,039 law and order is certainly high on their list over in Minneapolis and Saint Paul 525 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:40,519 as far as their strengths at this point, and here he's bringing it to 526 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,400 our neck of the woods over here with this very confrontational attitude. And I 527 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,639 don't get it why the tribal Council would use somebody like that that he just 528 00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,280 wants to stoke things up between neighbors. And they've gotten support from the Biden 529 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,800 administration. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they have, haven't they? 530 00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,239 Yeah, the was that the Department Justice came in and said, yeah, 531 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,360 we support them, and so, but I mean, what would you expect 532 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,880 from the Biden administration at this coin. So I'm hopeful that there will be 533 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,880 some legitimate negotiations that go on here at some point. But at this point, 534 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,480 the tribe's just being really intransigent, and I think there's a solution to 535 00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:25,280 it. It's but they're really not coming to the bargaining table with a reasonable 536 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,280 approach at this point. Congressman Tom Tiffany represents Wisconsin's seventh district. He's a 537 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,239 member of the Freedom Caucus, and he's been very generous with his time here 538 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,239 today. Thank you so much, Congressman for chatting. Emily great to join 539 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,920 you and give us a call anytime. If we can help, we'll do. 540 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,519 You've been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily 541 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:49,280 Dashinsky, culture editor here at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. 542 00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:59,719 Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious. Heard a favor, 543 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,559 it's a reason and then it faded away. M