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Mike Dwine, who rules the state
with an iron grip, and Governor Mike

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DeWine, Welcome again to the Bill
Cunningham Show. Governor, first of all,

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let's deal with state Issue number one
with your permission. The Billy Billy.

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Good to be back. I don't
think I have an iron grip,

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but it's always good to be back. And looking for a win for the

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Bengals this weekend, that would be
good. But Issue one is one that

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I thought would go the other way
despite the polling. In the constitution,

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we now enshrine abortion rights from a
moment of conception through delivery. And first

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of all, what are your thoughts
on that. Secondly, do you support

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more efforts to put more amendments on
the ballot or should we live with this

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for a while? Well, Bill, first of all, you know on

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your show, I expressed my opinion
about Issue one. Look, we accept

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the results. The voters decided to
pass Issue one and put that into the

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constitution. So I think that,
you know, we accept the result of

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the voters. That's what we do
in this in this country. I think,

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uh, you know, some of
the things are going to be fought

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out frankly in court. I already
saw that some of the Democrat members of

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the General Assembly want to want to
roll back uh you know, the laws

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and the laws that have been passed
in the past. Uh you know,

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rental consent required for an abortion.
There's some members in General Assembly want to

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get rid of that. I think
that would obviously be a mistake. There

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are others who uh you know,
I suppose would want to get rid of

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the ban we have on partial birth
abortion. So I think that a lot

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of this bill is going to be
played out now in the courts as people

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try to uh you know, do
away with those other protections, and we'll

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have to see how the court's rule. I think that I did a press

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conference on this this morning, issue
won an issue to and you know what

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I said to the news media kind
of repeat here, and that is that

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I think we just see I think
we you know, people in a democracy,

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in a country like ours, no
issue is ever totally done. We

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just continue to look at things.
So I think people are going to have

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to see, how, you know, living with abortion at any point,

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whether that is something that people you
know, accept or not. I think

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one of the things that the pro
side did, you know, they spent

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about thirty five million dollars. A
lot of this money came from out of

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state. The governor of Illinois,
for example, put in half a million

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dollars. We had other out of
state money come in, so they outspent

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our side the No side about three
and a half to one. But the

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way they framed the issue, I
think is the way it was accepted by

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most voters, and that is,
did you like the stats quo or did

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you like what they were presenting?
And you know, while they denied that

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this was really abortion on demand,
abortion any place in the pregnancy, that

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is really what it is. And
so it was that versus the status quo.

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And what I think it was clear
to me over the last year or

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so since Roe v. Wade was
overturing, is that the majority of Ohioan's,

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the vast majority of Olands, believe
there should be an exception for rape

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and incests. And so I think, you know, we had Peter people

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who voted yes because they thought there
should be an exception for rape and incests.

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So they had choices, they picked
one. But the truth is that

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most ohio and frankly are somewhere in
the middle, and they didn't have that

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they didn't have that option. Whether
you know, governor whether you like it

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or not. I haven't seen your
oath of office recently, but I'm sure

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somewhere in there says you were support
and defend the constitution of the State of

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Ohio. And whether you like it
or not, the State of Ohio Constitution

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says a portion on a man basically
forever as far as the eye can see.

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And so will you work to overturn
that through another constitutional amendment or do

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you support it the way it is? Look, Bill, you're you're absolutely

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right. Uh. I you know, I will follow the will of the

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people of the state, and we
all we hope follow the law. Uh.

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Is there a time in the in
some point in the future, uh,

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that people look at this and decide, Hey, that's not really exactly

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what we want. Maybe we can
get something in the middle. Yeah.

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I think there's something that that may
come up at some point. But I

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think people have to have a chance
to see how this works setting. Uh,

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Selling, I don't think that,
you know, I don't think there's

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going to be a ballot issue back
on until people have had a chance at

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least to you know, see how
this works. That's kind of the way

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that our system should I hate it, don't like it. Uh, every

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fiber of my being says the human
life begins at the moment to consay option

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through natural death. We can't convince
our fellow citizens that that's the way it

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ought to be. And whether I
like it or not, it's a bitter

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pill that I think. Unlike me, I'm a talk show host. All

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I do is talk. You actually
have to do something. And when Governor

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DeWine sends the message let it ride
for a while, I think that's a

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powerful voice. Is that what you're
saying. Well, I don't know if

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i'd put it in that in that
term bill, but I do think,

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you know, we follow the law, and I think that people have to

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have a chance to see how how
how this works. I don't think this

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reflects exactly where people are in the
state. I think most people are somewhere

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in between that they don't think that
you should have an abortion on demand at

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any point. But I think the
majority clearly now do believe that, uh,

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you know, abortion should be available
at least for a certain period a

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certain period of time during during the
pregnancy. I think it's it's again part

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of this we've always known is trying
to win the hearts and minds of people

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as well as the law. And
you know, I just want to give

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a public shout out to the pregnancy
centers around the state. There's well over

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one hundred of them. They're manned
primarily by volunteers, and their goal is

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to reach out to women who are
in a pregnancy and have been for whatever

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reason, have a difficult time and
try to give them the help and support

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that they need. So everybody who's
out there doing that and who can listen

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to us, you and me on
the radio, I just want to I

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want to thank them. You know
they're doing They're doing the lawyer's work,

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and I'm very grateful for what they
do every day. Better pill for you

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to swallow. But it is what
it is, Issue too. Whether I

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voted yes on Issue too because I
thought, Okay, this is a start

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in the right direction. Will the
governor of Ohio work to implement the people's

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wishes on issue too or where you
work to circumvent or change it. I

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think the people's will clearly bill on
this is that we have legal marijuana in

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the state of Ohio for adults,
and so I accept that part of the

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way issue too, And of course
the difference is, as you know,

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being the great lawyer that you are, as well as a great American issue.

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One was a constitutional amendment issue too, is a law, and the

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legislature certainly has the opportunity to fine
tune that. One of the things that

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I talked about today was, you
know, how do we carry out the

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will of the people in getting marijuana
legally out for adults, but at the

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same time protect our kids. And
so you know, I'm in favor of

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the legislature doing everything they can in
statute to make sure that while the will

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of the peoples carry out and we
have legal marijuana, that's done in a

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responsible and respectful way, and that
we protect our kids by respects protecting our

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kids, I mean, let's do
what we can do to reduce the number

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of kids who end up in the
emergency room because they ate a gummy bear

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or a cookie that had marijuana.
Let's do what we can to reduce the

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number of deaths on the highway because
we have marijuana impaired drivers. Let's do

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what we can do to keep marijuana
away from children who teenagers, whose minds

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are still developing whose brains are still
developing, because we know that the regular

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use of marijuana for that sixteen year
old or eighteen year old is a very

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grave danger to their IQ and can
have permanent effect. I think we also,

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Bill have to work to make sure
that people who don't want to be

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walking downtown Cincinnati or downtown Dayton or
or Cedarville or wherever. Uh, you

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don't don't have to smell marijuana.
What's happening already though, Governor Well,

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I understand that let's let's talk about
the rights of uh of other Ohioans.

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So you know, people want to
smoke it in their in their house,

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that's fine. If they want to
go into a shop that that's where that's

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what people do. Uh, you
know, that's that's fine. Let's let's

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defend their right. But also let's
don't infringe on other people's rights. So

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the implementation of it, I think
bill is important, but we we uh

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you know, while I vote to
know on both of those both issue one

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issue too, you know, in
regard issue to I think we have to

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get implemented and do it correctly and
do it in a safe way. Well,

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one thing I find objectionable. I
find many things objectionable, And so

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when you have Senator Huffman or a
Speaker of the House Stevens come on media

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and start talking about, well,
you know, uh, issue one,

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we got to get it back on
the ballot or issue to we've got to

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we can actually repeal the law if
we want to, which I guess technically

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is allowed. It would be disgusting
to have the people go through what we

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just went through for months and months
and months and months and then come to

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a resolution at the ballot box.
Then they have politicians seek ways to overcome

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what the people said they wanted.
So, just philosophically, can you smell

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what I'm cooking? Yeah, I
can smell what you're cooking. Look,

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I think that we have to respect
what the people did. We also have

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to say this is always subject to
continuing public debate and for the people of

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the state to look at what they've
done, just like we look at laws

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bill that are passed by the legislature
and people have to decide, you know,

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they have to bay them as long
as they're laws, but then they

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have to also decide, well do
I like that law? And if they

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don't like it, there's a process, there's a process to change it.

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So if people don't like what the
voters did, point in the future,

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uh, you know, they have
the opportunity to to change that. But

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I think the most important thing on
Issue one particularly, uh is for people,

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whether they voted yes or voted no, to follow this see how it

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works. Uh see if the people
who said that there would be no late

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term abortions, uh see if that's
actually true. See if partial birth abortion

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uh is does not come back.
You know, these are all things.

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There are promises made during the campaign, and I think, uh, you

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know, people voted, We accept
that, but uh it's always a question

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of, uh, you know,
did were the proponents telling the truth?

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Did it turn out? Did the
end of the story turn out like the

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prologue or how they said the you
know, the dust jacket said, then

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you have to wait for a year
or two for that to happen, Right,

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you have to wait some time.
I don't know how long, but

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you certainly have to wait bill to
see it. And there's absolutely no doubt

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about that. Now. Lastly,
I would not disagree. I've done some

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inn on the coast in which they
said what happened to Ohio? That Ohio

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has become California and New York when
it comes to marijuana and abortion. And

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I said, look, about a
year and a half ago, we had

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a governor run who was as identified
with the pro life movement as any governor

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in Ohio history, that won the
race by twenty percentage points, and by

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the way, still owes me at
cherry pie. But nonetheless that we elected

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five Republicans to high office. Republicans
dominate the US Supreme Court, at the

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highest Supreme Court, the Assembly House, in the Senate, and so well,

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I said, it's not exactly right, but Mike, you're the governor,

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the most popular one of all time
by the numbers, during a time

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we're partial birth, abortion in marijuana
in a sense have both been legalized.

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How does that make you feel?
Well, it's not good and it's not

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something that I signed up for.
But look, I'm the governor and you

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know, we voted and we had
a vault, and at least for the

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time being, that's what the result
is. In fact. So no,

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it's not what I thought I was
going to do, and you know,

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it was not a happy election for
me, but hey, you know what

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my obligation is is, you know, let's take marijuana. My obligation is

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okay, the people said, yes, we want it. My obligation,

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Bill is to make sure we do
it the right way, and we do

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it in a way that protects innocent
children. Do it in a way that

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you know, the advertising is not
out there there's aim directly at our young

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people. So you know, these
are things that I'm in this place at

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this time in history. And while
I may not like the big result,

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I have I think an obligation to
try to make this thing work so that

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Ohioan's it works as smoothly as possible, and it works in a way that

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does not damage children. Governor.
Lastly, it goes into effect December the

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seventh, by the dictates of what
we voted for December seventh, it's in

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effect. How do you do all
this with marijuana in the next twenty four

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days. Well, we're gonna see
what the legislatures can do. We have

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you know, as you know,
Bill, I can propose things, and

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I have proposed to the legislature.
I'm going to meet with the Senate President

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in the Speaker on Monday. We've
already talked by phone. I think the

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goal should be to get this done
because I think it's not particularly helpful to

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start down a pathway and the law
going to effect and then the law change.

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You know, ideally, we would
get these things done prior to it

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going into effect, and then it
would be smooth. It would be a

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smooth transition and we would move.
That'd be great, you know. That's

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look, you can That's what our
ideal is, and I think we should

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strive to do that, because it's
not particularly helpful to people, you know,

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for them to see the law go
into effect and it'd be one thing

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and then uh, you know,
we see changes uh in the future.

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So if we can do this and
wrap this up in a short period of

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time, we'll at least try.
Will you lead and tell them, look,

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this was voted on, it's a
done deal. The people want marijuana.

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I have a text here from a
listener that says, Governor, could

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we tolerate a little bit of slavery? Hell no, do not tell people

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to tolerate a little bit of partial
birth abortion. That well, you know

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that's where I am, that's where
you are. Look, you're not tolerate.

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No, no, no, but
look here, here, here,

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here, let's let's cut cut to
the quick. Uh, partial birth abortion.

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The other side, the proponents of
one said we won't see that in

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Ohio, miked Wine. They said, Mike to Wine, you're wrong,

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We're not going to see that.
We had other people who said, Mike

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to Wine, we're not going to
see parental consent go away just because this

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has passed. That I hear today
that they're Democrats and the legislature who want

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to pass a bill that take that
takes away parental rights. Now that's isn't

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that a little disingenuous? Yes?
Yes, these are the same people that

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were were three days ago we're telling
us, oh no, no, it

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won't happen that. No, no
to why you're crazy. Now now I'm

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watching members of the General Assembly Democrat
party who three days before we're telling us,

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oh no, no, it's okay, we won't general rights will be

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respected. Now they're introducing bills to
take away pray all rights. What hypocrisy

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couldn't agree more? And I I'm
just this is a bitter pill for right

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to lifers to swallow and it is
not going down very well at all.

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Well, look, we we have
a you know, if if if you're

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a believer, you believe that we
have an obligation to do what we think

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is right. And it doesn't mean
we always win, and it doesn't mean

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we all succeed. We have an
obligation to do what we what we think

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is is right. And you know
we'll continue to do that again. You

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know, bless those who are out
there and you know, pregnancy centers and

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people who are quietly doing volunteer work
to help moms and to help babies.

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Yep, Governor, thank you,
and thanks for setting the record straight.

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And I think the will of the
people need to implement it. And it

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seemed like the will of the people
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secondly, parenta rights are not effected. Let's see what happens that pat part

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of me thrown inside. But on
marijuana, I think the people have spoken.

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Hopefully you convinced fellow Republicans to enact
their will. Yeah, well,

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let's let's let's let's end en us
sports note. Thank Joliboto for almost two

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decades of forty great fun. My
dad loved watching him, my late mother

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in law love watching him. I
love watching him best my kids do.

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And uh, what a what a
great guy. And we're very very sorry.

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To see him leave. But he
gave us, you know, almost

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two decades, and uh, we'll
see him. My plan on being there

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when he's inducted into the Hall of
Fame seventeen years, he'll be, he'll

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be in Cooperstown. He'll be he'll
be in Cooperstown as soon as as he

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is eligible. And uh that's a
great thing. And yep, let's go

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Bengals this weekend, all right,
Mike Governor, thank you very much for

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coming this afternoon. Billy, good
to be with you always. God,

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thank you. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundreds WLW

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