Well. He then turned to I'm surprised you're trying to take away women's rights
and actu're standing against women's rights. He is at that stage working for legalization
of abortion. I said, mister Mandila, you are questioning the christianity of
people who over forty years ago legalize the partet. I'll tell you, mister
Mandella, it won't be forty years from now people question your humanity for legalizing
abortion. You're replacing a partet with abortion. An abortion is worth. Abortion
does not just restrict a baby's right as to where it can live, or
take it or put it on a separate voter's roll, or limit where it
can swim or which cinemas it can go to. Abortion takes where the baby's
right to live, it even before it's taken its first breath outside the room.
You're advocating discrimination of basis of age. You set you replacing discrimination a
basive race with discrimination a base of age. And I said, the worst
departet is that which separates a baby from its mother, from its life support
and at a critical stage and kills it. Mister Mandela, what you are
advocating is worse than what you have replaced and he was a bit more unsettled.
Now. This was Thursday, Monday morning, knock on the door.
Two senior representaers of the Southern Revenue Service, which is our crevent of your
irs, and they started a intensive seven year audit. They went back six
year as a carolin for seven year. So we had a thirteen year audit.
Myself, my wife personally, and every ministry we were involved with personally,
the books, a Christian action, frontline pressure. We were all audited
and it was so intense. They were demanding millions from us after the first
few months and in back taxas. Joining us now is doctor Peter Hammond.
He has an amazing background. He's been involved in a lot of things all
over Africa as a missionary, but especially in South Africa where he lives and
he began as well. He's been doing this for over thirty eight years.
And maybe this is an older biobiography that I've got. It might be longer
than this. Now, Pioneering Missionary is now forty two. Okay, there
you go. Pioneered missionary outreaches including into war zones of Mozambique, Angola and
Sudan. He often traveled off road by motorbike. Peter has traveled hundreds of
thousands of kilometers to deliver Bibles to persecute Christians in Africa and Eastern Europe.
And we're going to talk to him today a little bit about the missionary stuff.
But we're going to begin with his personal experiences with Nelson Mandela. But
let me just read the rest of this to you. His missionary activities.
He's been ambushed, He's come under aerial and artillery bombardments. He's been stabbed,
shot at, beaten by mobs, arrested and imprisoned. He's flown far
behind enemy lines to the Nuba Mountains in central Sudan with tons of Bibles books
Edison's relief aid. He walked through the war devastated Nuba mountains showing the Jesus
film in Arabic. And you know what that means. He was in a
Muslim area, proclaiming the Gospel, training pastors and evading enemy patrols. I
tell you, Peter, thank you for joining us. It looks kind of
like twenty first century Paul, except that you got a motorbike that Apostle Paul
never had. Thank you for joining us. I want to begin with Nelson
Mandela because it's kind of interesting. I think in this country and around the
world, we have people who idolized Mandela. We have Clint Eastwood, a
libertarian, who did a movie about him. More recently, we had Wayne
Allen Root, who's a big Trump supporter. He said he was the one
who put the lyrics up for the Chosen One, this new song that came
out, and he said, Trump is like Jesus, He's like Moses,
and he's like Mendela, and it's like, what in the world let's talking
about her? And so you know, he's It's uh, it is strange
to see that combination of people, and I think it is truly idolatry,
but it is. It is amazing that he would hold a conservative, self
professing conservative, would hold Mandela in such high esteem that he would put him
there with Jesus and Moses. Why you met Mandela, tell us a little
bit about your impressions of him. Yes, So, Nelsonman is a very
charismatic person. He's very affable, he's a pretty good public speaking. He
really gets people comfortable around him. So I can see why some people have
been a bit charmed by him. He is a very effective politician in terms
of being able to kiss babies and press flesh and shake hands and put his
own around people, and of course, most famously putting on a Springbook rugby
jersey at the World Cups when South Spring won the World Cup rugby in nineteen
ninety five. That was probably the most astute, brilliant thing he ever did
in his political career. And you know, why would you not want to
be associated with the winners of a World Cup, especially when rugby is more
than the national sport, And so I get it was the way to the
heart of the Afrikaans and most of the white people. And when Mandela took
that shirt on and put on the cap of the Springbrook rugby players, he
won a lot of support. And this is what Clint Eastwood immortalized in his
film, even though it was a very dishonest film. I did a review
which was on a website of the Invictors film. The Invictors film is actually
an Antichrist film. Invictus is a antichrist secular, humorous atheist poem to whatever
it matches, not how straight the gate, nor how charged with punishment the
scroll, to whatever gods are declared, I am the Master on my faith
out of the captain of my soul. Now that is the poem of Invictus,
and that permra cited several times over in the film with dramatic music behind
by the Nelson Mandela character, which is played by Morgan Freeman, who actually
had played God in a couple of different Hollywood films beforehand, no doubt preparing
for the role of playing Nelson Mandila. So our dilatry is the word.
And interestingly enough, the winning rugby team, the Springbrok rugby team in nineteen
ninety five of the World Cup soccer was containing a number of very key evangelical
born again Christians and the captain of the team, which is played by the
Hollywood star, he gave all the glory to Jesus Christ. Yet in the
film they have this man swearing sleeping with his girlfriend the night before the match,
which his now wife said never happened and which you know, totally fictional,
and the man never swore in the match and things like that, and
then they have him at the air and asking one of the players to thank
God for winning the match. And as they said, that's not what we
prayed for. We prayed whether we won or lost. After every match we
got uneasy and we thank God for the privilege of taking part in the match.
Whether we won or not was not the issue. We didn't get done
in ease to thank God just for winning the match, but for the privilege
of playing in the match. And we would have done it with we won,
all lost and so front felf. You know, I think it is
who's the team captain? He gave the glory to christ and Clint Eastwards.
Film gives all the glory to Nelson Mandela. Can you think of any national
sport in history where the credits for winning a matress given to the head of
states? I mean, does the British Queen or Prime minis to get the
glory when the British team wins, which hasn't been for many years? And
admits, does the American government get the honor if an American team wins a
match? And so on? For that matter, if the team loses,
do you blame the government? And you know, what about the team's captain,
what about the manager, what about the coach? None of that comes
into it. Just Nelson Mandela won the World Cup for this helpless team that
had no chance, which isn't true. Interestingly enough, not that I'm a
major rugby person, but we all followed this pretty closely at the time.
The favorites were not the New Zealanders but the Australians and the South Athkansk noted
the Australians out of the World Cup early on in the tournament, which of
course upsets the whole thing that the premise of in Victor's film by Clint Easter
was that the Sullivan team was hopeless, had no chance, and only reason
they were in the matches because they were the host country and so they didn't
have to adhere to the same stance, which is nonsense, and so they
knocked out the favorites the Australians early on. That shows they weren't coming from
nowhere being helpless, and that Nelson Mandela sort of egged them along with some
amazing speeches and coaching of the team captain. I must say it's a well
made film. Unlike Long Walk to Freedom, which is just total mindless propaganda.
Clint Easter crafted a good piece of propaganda and a well made film.
It just as it played very loose for the facts. Yeah, and it
never quite as sound from spaying Nelson, Manila was in this self for thirty
years, which is rubbish. He was never in at self for thirty years.
He was a prisoner for twenty six years, and on the island for
any parts of that time. He was in luxury in other prisons. In
fact, his last prison accommodation was in a waters home with a swimming pool
and all kinds of things from fax machines at full screen TV's big kinds of
privileges with cooked meals all the time he was in luxury. That called it
five star prison where he was at the end. But also they made out
that this Robin Island was such a terrible island. It's nothing like the French
Devil's Island. Robin Island's actually a paradise. I've been there. It's a
beautiful paradise island. I'm surprised they haven't opened up for tourism yet because it
would be an ideal place to put five star hotels and so on for tourists.
When to come. The whole of Cape Son can be under clouds and
pouring rain, and Robinland can be sitting in the sunshine. Well, they
can make it a shrine to Mandela at the same time, but then people
might realize how nice it was. Yes, well, they've already rigged the
whole evidence, because when people come to do the pilgrimage and Nelson Manida sell
and burn incense and light a candle like Bill Clinton did and Henry Clinton so
on, they've all made their trick and the pilgrimage to Manila cell. They've
taken up the bed, they took out the desk, they took out his
chair, they took out the bookshelf, and they put just a mattress on
the floor and a bucket in the corner. And you don't see the bookshelves
that are in the pictures of when he is there. You don't see the
desk or the chair, you don't see the bed. It's just dishonest to
say this is how Mandila was locked up in the cell. And then they
didn't tell you that he had free access to the island all day like all
the prisoners. He could walk anywhere in this island during the day. They
just set to me in a cells at night when a sunset, and that
puts a whole different perspective on it. I've been in prison in a different
places in African I must say, if I had to be locked up in
a prison, choose robb Around as the best option of all of the ones
I've seen. And I've been to a lot of prisons around Africa, and
I've been inmate for some So the way it's been depicted in the film is
so dishonest. And they never tell you what he is locked up for,
except for opposition to a partect, which is nonsense. There are many people
are posing apart eight who never ended up in prison. Mandela was in prison
for blowing up people, incinerating people, murdering people, for terrorism, for
revolution, for subversion, for sedition. He was arrested for sabotage and planning
a revolution. He was not locked up for opposing a part eight. There
were whole political parties and people who dedicate their lives to finding a partect,
like Bishop Desmond too too, who never ended up in jail at all.
So the film's premise is also false. And you know, shame on Clint
Easterod who we like for many other reasons, but on this point he really
adopted this idolatrous few of Mandila's as this poor innocence. You know, he's
almost like an Alexander Sultzanitzen character here. Yeah, and Reveland's almost like the
Kuleig Archipelago. Not that they would ever make a film on Sultz and the
Kuligo, but that's just the way it's been depicted, and it's so dishonest.
Well, let's talk a little bit about it was the Marxism that you
were concerned about. It was the Marxism and the terrorism, which is why
he was in prison. But they made it about apartheid. And you know,
so when we when we look at this, I find what I find
interesting is how, and this happens in America too, if you have some
famous charismatic figure, they don't care. Nobody cares about the policies. The
policy is a shuff shuffle to the back, and all becomes about the man,
which is kind of you know what we're seeing people refer to politicians right
now. Everybody's in a civil war over Trump. They love him where they
hate him, and so it's about him being the chosen one or whatever.
So it's this person that they either demonize or turn into some kind of godlike
figure. And I think that is the real common thread between a Marxist from
South Africa and what we're saying happening in politics today. Talk a little bit
about the why you opposed him. You're not opposed to you're not in support
of apartheid, but you're opposed to Marxism. Correct, that is correct,
And in fact, Mick Nelson, Mandela and just back in nineteen ninety six,
I've just marked tens of thousands of people to parliament, the biggest demonstration
they ever seen in our city of Cape Ton. Now Selifk has got three
capitals. We have a legislative capital which is Cape Toon where we have our
parliament. We have an executive capital which is Pratoria where we have the union
buildings for the Prisons office. And we have a judicial capital which is Bloomfontein
in the sense of the country where we have our Supreme Court. So Slifka's
three capitals, and Cape Toun is the legislative capital, also the mother city.
It was the first settlement in all of Slafka, first official city in
the country. So in Cape Ton, our mission headquarters is not far from
Parliament. And I've led many marches and protests to Parliament under the previous government
and the present one. And so when Mandela was seeking to paganize this country,
and by paganisers country, I mean legalizing blasphemy, prostitution, pornography,
perversion, all of these things, and seeking to legalize abortion, although they
hadn't done that yet. When I marched this large group of people to Parliament,
we shut down Cape Ton. Our people are still gathering at the castle.
When the front group had arrived at Polam, solid body of people going
for kilometers for miles through town, blocking all traffic as we marched upon to
protest the paganizer of South Africa. And our slogan was clont vet or courtsavet,
which was Afrikaans for constitution must be based upon God's law clontvet or court
savet. And so we marched to Parliament and after Cyril Rampos as the present
President, had been sent out to collect our memorandum. And that in itself
is an interesting story. We don't want to get sidetracked, but this is
relevant. Cyril was the chairman of the Constitutional Assembly that was drawing up a
new constitution and he was pushed out the door to receive us, and he
came up looking terrified. His eyes were wide and you could just see the
terror on him. And according to our friends in side Parliament, like Kenneth
Meshu, he was pushed out the door because they was afraid they ended come.
You know, we had thirty thousand people outside Poland. They thought they
would be hanging from the the lights, the street lights by the end of
the day. But of course we're Christians, don't do that sort of thing.
But we could have overthrown the government had we been the kind of thugs
and revolutionaries that the ANC supporters on. But we didn't break anything, we
didn't damage anything, We didn't even leave litter behind. So outcomes Silam Posa
to receive our memorandum and he sees my Zulu friend standing next to me,
Reven fin Of Sabisi, and he says, brother, can I borrow your
bible? And fin A Sebisi had a beautiful leather bible purchased in Phoenix,
Arizona, by the way, engraved with his name in gold gold etching on
the leather cover. Rivern Fina Sabisi. My father, launch Bill Bethman,
actually gave it to him as a gift when he visited America. So Silra
in person doesn't wait for Fino's response, He just grabs his Bible and takes
it under his arm as he walks up the ladder that we prepared onto the
platform, which was the back of a truck actually, which was our platform
for speaking to this huge crowd. And as Sola Imposer gets the top,
he lifts up this Bible and says, look, I'm also a Christian.
I bring my Bible with me to pull every day. I know, an
American politician he did that. Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead, that's
amazing. Now, Sarah Ramafota is a guy that was, you know,
the current head of the ANC. We'll talk about what just happened in politics
there. But he had he took over I guess from Mandallah. But he's
been there for for quite a while. I don't know. There's a secession
of politic political figures there. But yeah, we'll talk. We'll be talking
about him in a moment. Silers was the man that Mandila pointed to share
his Constitution Assembly to draft this new constitution that the shrimes LGBTQ rights, which
enshrines everything from the rights for blesphemy and pornography and legalized prostitution and ultimately the
legalization of abortion. All of that and ram Persa was the man who paganized
Suli's constitution and made sure we didn't have in humble submission to Almighty God,
which the previous constitutions of self cold always had so silram Perser, he knows
how to talk to talk, He knows how to pretend to be a Christian.
He was in fact an evangelical Christian of Pentecostal at university when he was
studying, and a friend of ours, Kenneth Meshuw, who's a pastor,
shared a room with him and said, Sila Ramposer knew the gospel he was
he would act like he's a Christian, although of course he's an apostate now
being part of the Southern Communist Party and all the rest of it. So
Sila Imposer could just lie so fluently, so easily, and he knew that
we knew he was lying, but it didn't care because the most of the
people out there didn't notice, and he was having the people eating out of
his hand within minutes. Well, also after this march to Parliament, we
had someone come from the President's office instructing us that the President was summoning us
to come to cross a secure estate, which is the President's mentioned the house
that Cecil Rhodes built and he donates it to the people of the Cape for
future leaders of the Cape. Will the Sullivan President's been staying in there since
nineteen ten. And so Mandela summoned me to come to his home on the
thursday we marched in Tuesday. Thursday, I'm summoned to go to the president's
mansion, Salivka crivent of the White House. And as a skirits caught here,
which means the great bond. So as I arrived and Mandela came into
the room, he immediately asked, so, mister Hammond, what were you
doing in the years of struggle? Now the struggle is what the comments called
the revolution that fights and so on. So I said, I was fighting
people like you, sir, And he smiled, he laughed, he slapped
at me. He stood up and he came over and he shook my hand
and he said, I'm so glad to meet an honest white man. Said
all the whites have met so far told me they always supported me and never
supported the National Party. I wondered how the National Party stayed in power for
forty years when all the whites actually supported me. And I said, well,
mister Mandela, make no mistake, I was not fighting for a parteight.
I was fighting against communism and I was fighting against terrorism. And so
Mandela said, but a parte it is a great evil in the history of
the world. And I said, I cannot agree with that. Mister President.
That price must go to your friends. Your support is the communists.
They have left one hundred and sixty million corpses in the twentieth century so far,
just since nineteen seventeen. And that's according to the Black Book of Communism,
written by ex communists using their own documents themselves, documenting over one hundred
million people killed in the commist countries according to own records in Eastern Europe.
Of course, we don't yet have the records for Red China, but we
know that that could add about another sixty eight million more of what mart Tongue
added. And we're not talking about enemies foreigners killed in war. We talk
about civilians killed in peacetime by their own governments. Yes, of one hundred
and sixty million corpses littering in the twentieth century from secular, humanist, atheist
government, communist governments they have been the greatest mass murders in the history of
the world. Well as I said that, mister Mandila, I was still
silent. So I went on no Stadgic catalog, also the millions killed in
by pol Pot's Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and of course Vietnam. All the way
went through to Ethiopia and Mengistu, who was his friend and ally who was
hiding in South Afka to escape from the genocide prosecutions against him from the International
Criminal Court. And then I went on to Fidel Castro, his best friend,
who he had just welcomed South Afrik and had addressed a joint sitting of
our Congress, well both the Senate and the Lower House of Assembly, and
gave him the biggest awards Suk's got to give, and mentioned the millions killed
under Fidoral Castro in the island Paradise he turned into hell hole that millions of
people are seeking to flee on rafts and shock infested waters. And when I
finished all this, Nelson Manila leaned back, stayed in the ceiling and went
on a trip down memory lane. When I was a prisoner of the boys
on robin Arland he said, they would not allow me to wear long trousers
or sunglasses. My eyes are very sensitive. Now, interestingly, when you
go to on your pilgrimage to Robin Island and to Nelson Mandela, sell it
but a huge picture. I'm going to floor to ceiling picture of Nelson Mandila
in long trousers and wearing sunglasses, leaning on his shovel. That's his garden
patch. So I presume that meant at some stage, because certainly he's pictured
wearing long trousers and wearing sunglasses at some stage there, so that couldn't have
been for that. But I didn't want to argue this, so I said,
well, mister Mandila, my eyes are also very sensitive, and I
can appreciate how I'm comfortable it would be to be deprived of sunglasses in the
sun outside a game. Just reminding him that I do know that he spent
a lot of time outside the cell because they're allowed the full rain of the
place outside me had his own virtual garden and things like that. But I
said, but, mister Mandela, I'm sure you'll agree with me that that
hardly compares with the atrocities documented by Alexander Saltan and the archipelago. Well,
he then turned to I'm surprised you're trying to take away woman's rights and actually
standing against women's rights. He is at that stage working for legalization of abortion.
I said, mister Mandela, you are questioning the christianity of people who
over forty years ago legalize the partet. I'll tell you, mister Mandela,
it won't be forty years from now people question your humanity for legalizing abortion.
You're replacing a parteth with abortion. An abortion is worth. Abortion does not
just restrict a baby's right as to where it can live, or take it
or put it on a separate voter's roll, or limit where it can swim,
or which cinemas it can go to. Abortion takes where the baby's right
to live, it even before it's to take this first breath outside the room.
You're advocating discrimination of basis of age. You set you replacing discrimination a
basive race with discrimination a base of age. And I said, the worst
departet is that which separates a baby from its mother, from its life support
and at a critical stage and kills it. Mister Mandela, what you are
advocating is worse than what you have replaced, and he was a bit more
unsettled. And you know, we basically had a tennis match backwards and for
it's batting boards about these definishes. And as the arm finished, the clock
soruld have struck the time. He stood up and he said, you may
take your photographs now. Well, I didn't mean to be rude, but
honestly, I've not brought a camera. I've not thought about the pictures.
And I said no, thank you, mister President, and he stopped and
his jaw dropped and he looked absolutely shocked. Maybe we were the first people
that met with him. He didn't want the pictures taken to him. But
what will I do with a picture of myself with Nelson Mandela. So we
said, but we would like to pray for you, and he said,
no, no, it's very private, and he was dismissive, and I
pretended I hadn't heard. I put my hand and on his shoulder, and
Reverend Zunz Evenster, who is with me, put his hand on the other
shoulder, and I prayed the Lord God may not give mister Mandila one moment's
piece until he does what he knows is right. And just in the next
legislation to protect preborn babies from the violence and injustice of abortion. Now I
prayed, Lord, I pray that you will work on mister Mendila's heart,
that he may bother me and surrender to you as King of kings and Lord
of lords. And I gave him a book written by doctor James Kendy that
I thought he'd be appropriate for someone who's a secular humorist and atheist, which
showed a lot of God's hand in history. And I know all Marxist interests
in history. And mister Mandela said, mister Hammond, my door is always
open to you. I'm always responsive to the concerns of your constituency, which
in the way I would have put it, but anyway, very nice,
very charming. And now this was Thursday, Monday morning. Knock on the
door, two senior representers of the South Gon Revenue Service, which is our
crevent of your irs, and they started a intensive seven year audit. They
went back six years, a carryin for seven year. So we'd had a
thirteen year audit, myself, my wife personally, and every ministry we were
involved with, Christally, the books, a Christian action, frontline pressure.
We were all audited, and it was so intense. They were demanding millions
from us after the first few months and in back taxes. But we're a
tax exempt organization. In fact, we have got it confirmed from our revenue
service. We are tax immune. We are a tax exempt. We are
a nonprofit public benefit organization, a Christian mission. We don't owe taxes.
But I had to hire a lawyer and an accountant to get us out of
trouble, keep us out of jail, and to prevent us bankrupting our little
mission. And we had our accountant saying, you're a small operation. Senior
investors, the Southgan revenue its normally go for massive companies. Your budget is
not even in their petticash level. And you know, we were a very
small mission then. We're not that big now, But we were minuscule back
in nineteen nineties when Mandela started his campaign against us in your house that he's
so charming to our faces, but he sets his dogs on us. Yes,
And at the end, by the way of a thirteen year audit,
the senior invest here has concluded that we owed them not a penny. Wow.
My wife had to fork out one thousand rand for some things. We
had to get avery davids from family, grandparents and friends for gifts given to
cover kidney surgery for our child, our child being born with kidney failure,
and you know, even gifts from grandparents and so needed every Davidson. My
wife couldn't quite get everything signed off as she needed to, and so she
ended up paying one thousand round. But that's hardly justifies a seven year audit
by senior investor as the revenue services, the ministries and myself earned them nothing.
And that was our experience of Nelson Mandela. Wow, charming face,
but it is amazing. It is amazing how the tactics are the same worldwide.
And that's one of the things I'll just say for our American audience here
when we look at this army of IRS agents eighty billion dollars to grow the
IRS nine times bigger than it is right now. You want to talk about
law fair, Well, that's what's coming for each and every one of us.
That's what this is really truly about. That's always been the way they
have politically politically used that. And so let me ask you. You mentioned
Cyril Ramafosa and he went from I guess waving a Bible at the meeting there
to leading chance a few years ago about kill the boar, killed the white
Man. Where is the South African Communist Party today? I know they just
the A and C just lost election for the first time in thirty years.
Well, an interesting thing about that, the Southern Communist Party is part of
what they call the Tripartist Alliance the ANC. The Southern Communist Party in the
CASATU, the Congress of Trade Unions are united together in one and the ANC
is basically a front for the Southern Communist Party. Every president of the ANC,
every president of South of since not known for has been a senior member
of the Southern Communist Party. Now, if you go onto the Southern Communist
Party website, as I've done, you will first of all find an intriguing
thing that they're selling Lenin baseball caps, Lenin T shirts and mugs and sign
visa cards accepted, and so that seems also a capitalist to me. But
the next thing that's intriguing is, and I've seen this for years, the
Southern Communist Party is not placing any candidates in upcoming elections, but advisors all
cadres to vote for the ANC candidates. What does that tell you Southern Communist
body has never bothered to put up a candidate because they controllers anc By the
way, just for amusement, I went onto the Communist Party USAY website.
What did I see? They're also selling basebook caps, linen t shirts,
linen monks and pens and so on, and visa cards accepted and all that.
But the Commuist Party you say is not putting up a candidate in upcoming
elections. Now, I've been seen this since the days of Clinton, by
the way, and Obama, and certainly right now the Commis Party you say
is not putting up a candidate nix elections, but advises all condris to vote
for the Democratic Party candidate. What does it tell you about the Democratic Party
of today? They should be the ones with the red tie. Actually,
yeah, that's one of the greatest cups they ever pulled out there to get
conservatives to say we're red, We're red states, and all the rest of
the stuff. I said, And I've heard this from so many people lived
under communism. I talked to Shivan Fleet. She said, I can't believe
you. Red has always been the color of communism. I can't believe that
they got people in America to embrace that. And it's because we don't know
history. It's because we listened to the media, because we accept whatever labels
they invent. It's amazing, yes, sadly so, now I know my
history pretty well. I love history, and I've been a mystery for foot
each years, especially to persecute the churches. I've worked behind nine curtains throughout
the whole of Eastern Europe, during the dark days when we had to smuggle
Bibles behind the nine curtain of secret meetings, and it's been very clear to
me that communism not only has always read, but they've infiltrated the West to
such extent many people don't rectnize. I don't know how many people realize that
Abraham Lincoln, who's an idol in America. I would say Abraham Lincoln is
to the United States what Mandila is to sell. I've got what Vlna Malinin
is to the Soviet Union, an idol. And to walk them all as
I've done, and to get to this massive temple and to see this phenomenal,
outsized idol of Abraham Lincoln sitting in a Roman throne. It's not a
throne it's a Roman throne, a Caesar's tough throne. And of the words
in the marble behind in this temple, as in the hearts of a people
for whom he saved, the Union is enshrined the memory of Abraham Lincoln.
Forever words effect forever saved, you know, heart, These are all religious
terms. And it's the fastest symbol that he's resting his hands on. And
this, this Lincoln Memorial was built in nineteen thitties, when the fastest symbol
was a symbol of Mussolini's fastest running Italy, and on every one of the
Italian Air Force planes the same symbol, the different sticks bound together with the
axe in the middle, and Evelobet's bound and the nos and so on.
It's exactly the same as the fastest party symbol. And that's what Abraham Lincoln's
idol is resting his hands on in the temple in the mall. I never
noticed that, I know, the fascista, I know what you're talking about.
I didn't. I never noticed that. Certainly, there is an amazing
idolatry of politicians, just as we idolize entertainers. And I think that's one
of the key things that we need to be aware of. When we talk
about idolatry of politicians, it is about people say, wow, I'm not
making him a god. I'm saying that he's not a god. And yet
everything that you do says that he is a god, and the way that
you treat him well. What's also interesting is this explains why the Republican Party
have the red tie and Democrats of the Blue tie, although right now they
should swap, as you said, but Abraham Lincoln was a correspondent with col
Mox. Cole Mox was so impressed with what Abraham Lincoln was doing. And
you know about the forty eights. The forty eights were eighteen forty eight.
Is that revolutionaries? Of course, eighteen forty eighth, when the Marxist Manifesto
came up, the communist revolutionists tore every capital in Europe. Part many people
died, and as a result, many of the ringleaders were captured and hung
kilotine or shots, as the case may be around Europe. Many of the
survivors fled across the Atlantic to North America and became the founders of the Republican
Party. The Republican Party start out as a radical revolutionary Marxist type operation,
which is why they have the Red Tie. And many of the worst atrosties
commits against the Confederate, especially the landowners, were done by forty eight is
European Marxists who were in the Union Army, none of whom were prosecuted or
fired or demoted for their war crimes. And there were terrible war crimes burning
of churches, raping of women, burning of farmstead's hideous a trustees done.
The forty eighters were only promoted, and they were the backbone of the Union
Army of Abraham Lincoln. And it just explains why Abraham Lincoln is so popular
in Cuba. For example, Yeah, let me interject here. I like
to read alternate I used to have more time to read, but I used
to like to read alternative history. And Harry Turtle Dove does some of the
best alternate of history and a book they did. How few remain uh.
He ends the Civil War very early on. One little thing changes and that
changes the outcome of the Civil War, and so most of the characters survive.
Abraham Lincoln is driven out of office in his alternative history in shame,
but then he returns a few years later as the head of the Socialist Party.
He knew his history, he really did, and so do you.
That's that's really, it's truly amazing. In you see, they've got the
avenue Abraham Lincoln. That's it. Why would you name an avenue in Havana
after a capitalist like Abraham Lincoln? And the Cuban said, no, he's
not a capitalist, he's a cor mate, he's one of us. And
maybe you've seen a picture of Phidol Kestra visiting the Lincoln memorials, standing looking
very much in reverence, staring up at this massive idol of Lincoln. And
that's one of the famous pictures from Time Life magazine of Phidol Kestra Penger's respects
at the Lincoln memorial But they've got an Abraham lincol in high school in Cuba.
They like Abraham Lincoln. We might recall that the communists actually had an
Abraham Lincoln battalion or legion in the Spanish Civil War. Fight's going to sell
the communists against the nationalists. And as my main point here is that there's
a lot of similarity between Lincoln and Lenin, I mean Abraham, Sorry,
Vladimalin also saved the Union, the Soviet Union fighting against the South, many
of the Ukrainians, the Georgians and so on. Servitguni Alsos of Georgia,
and Vladimirlin was also, like Abraham Lincoln, a complete failure in life as
a lawyer and everything else, who had never achieved anything until he became the
dictator of the state. And then his main achievement is that he saved the
Union in a civil war, brutal civil war in which millions died in the
case of Soviet Union, only a few hundred thousand in the cases in United
Soiths America. But we won't add all the other lives that died because of
the centralized state's abortion and all the other things and imperial wars overseas. But
the way how Lincoln is revered in America in the way how Lenin is revered
in Soviet Union, led to George Grant, an author, giving a sermon
that you can hear in sermon audio Lincoln and Lenin. One can just check
it up on sermon audio Lincoln and Lenin. And I think it's given much
better about George Grant the similarity between Lincoln and Lenin, but enough to say,
I've got books in myself on Lincoln or by Alis and Lincoln's Marxists,
and there's an older book made on the real Lincoln. So if any listeners
viewers want to look into the other side, I maintain that Mandela is to
South Africa what Lincoln is to the United States, and Martin Luther King,
or should I say Michael King is to the United States an idol what Nazi
thing is to the Soviet, to the communist red Chinese, what Lenin is
to the Soviet, and idol what Churchill is to England. Let me add
as well, I mean many countries have the idols, and as Christians,
we should not be that thrilled to want to have an idol, because the
sin most condemned in the Bible is idolatry, Yes, idolatry, making an
idol, putting an idol, whether it's a political idol, a sex idol,
a pop idol, a rock idol, a Hollywood idol, a sports
idle, any idol that takes the place of first thing in our life.
It should be God and God alone should be getting all the glory solidio gloria,
and so we as Christians need to reject idolatry. Idolatry led every single
prophet in the Bible to condemn Judah and Israel, and God abandoned Jerusalem and
the Temple to be destroyed, and all of Israel to be taken off into
Samaria into Assyrian captivity, all of Juda to be taken off into Babylonian captivity.
Because the sin of idology, our doolatry, destroys nations and civilizations.
Right, we should not play with idolatry. That's right, and it's you
know, we can It can be people, most obviously people, and people
say, well, of course Lincoln is not a god, but they idolize
them nevertheless. But it can also in our own lives. It can be
things like sex, money, and power. You know, these are the
the also things that can become idols in our life. Let me ask you,
as we talk about moral principles, and as you were leading that march
against Mandela, because of the overthrow of moral principles foundationally in the Constitution,
why is it that Marxists always want to overthrow moral principles. Rather they always
push abortion and hedonism and all the rest of this. Well, Christianity is
the biggest enemy of communism and atheism, and the principle of communism is atheism.
Atheism is the essential foundation for communist states, and so the biggest fit
is Christianity. Notice they don't put the energy into fighting against things that are
other than Christianity. They're not after the cults so much. They're not after
false religions. They're after Christianity. Christianity is the enemy. And so to
destroy a country, you've got to steal their history. And in fact,
just to quote Cole Marx, the old gods must be pulled down so that
we can and all the old statues must be pulled down to erect new gods.
We must replace the gods of Christian Europe with our own gods, which
is why they make gods of Tzenski or the founder of the check of which
later became the KGB. They must lift up what Trotsky was lifted up for
a while, but of course then he went out of favor, and Berea
also in their statues on top of but Cole Marx Stalin he got toppled after
he died, and then of course others since then, and they always need
to put in their new gods and I believe the family is the basic building
block of Saiudi. So how do you destroy the family? Well, of
course, if you can get men to abandon their natural responsibilities to become husbands
and fathers and providers and protectors and so on, well, pornography is a
good way of distracting men to go after digital dolls and paper dolls, and
to waste their lives, waste the energy, and to distract them from their
highest priority. The most important thing all of us can do is be straight,
get married, and have children, and raise them in the love and
fear of God, and to be hard working citizens who will contribute to civilization.
And if any of your ancestors had found to do that, you wouldn't
be alive today. And so for all of us to get married. But
now what are they doing? Abortion, sterilization, transsexualism, transgenderism, gender
fluidity, Let's castrate the young boys, Let's have misseectomies for the young girls,
Let's sterilize them effectively, because that means extinction for that race, and
they want to eradicate our Christian heritage. They can see whether it's pornography with
its transcendorism with its abortion sterilization, euthanasia. The whole goal is extermination or
genocide for those races that have been traditionally Christian and which have this horrible attitude
of give me liberty or give me death, no taxation and our representation.
Let's get rid of those people. What we want is a bunch of puppets,
you like, play downer hands that we can use like guinea pigs in
our social revolution, who will support the government. Offer them free bees,
offer them all kinds of things. And if you can bring down the population
of the traditionally Christian nations and swamp them with invaders from other countries where you've
destroyed their economies and their stability, terrorize the populations that people are fleeing,
attract them to come to the previously Christian countries where they can be enticed with
lots and lots of free this and free that, and we'll give you free
Wi Fi. We'll give you free cell phones and put you up in hotels
and fire all over the country. And you can get away with almost anything.
Even if you want to come here to be a drug dealer, human
trafficker, pimp, whatever, that's not a problem. You know, come
as long as you vote for our party and our candidacy, you know you
more than welcome. And so this is the communist revolutionary tactics. And in
fact, I think you've got to see where this came from. The Communist
International Arabian nineteen twenties recognized that Lenin got lucky, and to quote Antonio Gramsky,
who was the founder of the Commuist Party in Italy, he said,
we're not likely to get the same correlation of forces in Western Europe. Europe
is too Christian. We'll never be able to replicate the Russian Revolution, and
the rest of Europe we're not likely to ever get a violent revolution like that.
Again, that was just a unique correlation of forces. We got super
lucky in Russia, but in the West. You will only conquer the West
when you can destroy Christianity. We've got to turn the Christian mind into a
non Christian mind, and then into an anti Christian mind. This will take
at least two generations. He said. We must use the five culture carrying
institutions to transform the society to act like what he called cultural termites. The
five culture carrying culture transforming institutions of education, entertainment, news, media,
religious institutions, political institutions, and they spoke about the long march to the
institutions of the West. We've got a rot out the pillars holding up Western
civilization. And he used the imagery of a termite eating the woodwork of wooden
pillars. Now, you can put as much whitewash on the outside as you
like, but one day the turmites do their job, the pillars will collapse,
and the whole edifice will collapse with it, and so cultural termite.
And this is called the Gramsky strategy. The Frankfurt School of Marxism in Germany
were the ones advocating this, the Frankfurt School, And when the National Socialist
game control of Germany and they pushed out these people, they fled and many
of them went to American universities like Harvard and Columbia, and they started to
eat out the heart of Western Christianity in America too. Many also went to
Hollywood, and for a time the Communist Party was only party in town,
literally literally the only party in town, and they hijacked Hollywood very early on.
And this was a visionist Stalin Staan said, the cinemas in the West
must become the new temples, the new outreaching the churches to advance communism,
and for a time they actually succeeded very well. And then the Hollywood Decency
Code of Conduct came in, which from nineteen was nineteen thirty six to about
nineteen sixty six kept the basic standard in Hollywood. But then after the sixties,
the Protestant Film Office closed down because seventy thousand dollars a year was too
much money to try and influence for the good Hollywood, and the Catholic League
of Decency also closed down Hollywood and they were taken over by instead. The
Church of Satan moved in and Hollywood just went berserk from the late sixties on
Andy Critci, everything evil being promoted, everything good being denigrated, laugh that
the base slandered. Taking God's name in vain became common, and they popularized
amongst the population that didn't used to swear, swearing and blesphemy. So even
Chris will use some of these terms oh my, omg and so on,
which they wouldn't have done before. And so Hollywood has succeeded in doing a
lot of what commonists need to do. According to Gramsky Strategy, he wrote
the Christian Foundations of Western civilization and soon the communists will just be able to
move in and take over, which I think people have just noticed in recent
years how that's actually worked out. You just have to look at the Obama
and the Biden administration to see how that's working out now after generations of the
Gramsky strategy and the eroding of Christian foundations, you can see. This is
why when Mandela came to pound South Africa, he knew his first priority had
to be to undermine the Christian foundations of South Africa. South Afka in the
past. Now, I was brought up in Adisia, which was not that
Christian, but we were fighting communism. And so when I came to Sullefica
nineteen seventy seven, as my country has been betrayed to communism, I came
into a Sonofka that's radically different from today. Churches dominated, churches everywhere,
no cinemas open on Sundays, no shops open on Sundays, Sundays for the
Lord's Day for worship. Blasphemy was illegal, Pornography was illegal. You'd watch
a form like Dirty Harry and there was not one bit a smut, not
one sphere word in it. The sensors would connut every taken of the Lord's
name in vain, every swear word, any nudity, any sex, any
unncessary violence. That church's fans would be cut out by our senses. And
I must say, as a youngster, I thought, when people are really
angry, their mouth opened, no words came out because they would cut out
the audio for some of these things. And so it was nice to grow
up like that. Our schools started barber reading, prayer, hymn singing the
army. The first thing that I saw going into the south of an army
was the sworder major standing in the middle of the parade ground as we would
discord from our Bedford trucks. And what's the first word to hurt from the
sarger major in the army? Anglicans say, means of God? That just
bretherin and he divided us into denominational groupings. Around preadgrounding there were tables with
clocks sitting taking down our false number details and all this because it was for
roll call. Church attenths was not optional. In the South colomy church attends
was compultory. Now, of course, the chapman service midweek would be done
by your company, and it'd be row called for that too, but Sunday
services in your national affiliation was compulsory, and they were going to check that
you did that. We were issued our bibles before we were issued our rifles
and quiet time to enforce the South Army fifteen minutes in the morning and about
fifteen minutes at night before the pupil sounded, had to have lights out,
and so the South gen Army entrenched us. And just to show you the
kind of spirits, how different it was, performing Della took over. After
they'd called out about seventy denominations, there were still forming in the middle of
the field and the Southway said well what are you And we all looked and
thought, well, what could they be? We've heard it all. And
someone then stood up and said atheist. Sir arch Major's gown and he said
atheists eightyists. Swapper atheist and see on atheists. You want to be an
atheist, you join the communist This is a Christian army. Send them to
the Pentecostals. And instead of a fourteen minute Anglican service, instead of a
one hour Baptist service, they've got a three hour Pentecostal service. Every Sunday.
That was the old South Africa, very different from today. At one
point was distressed by some taking the Lord's name in vain and I went to
the commandant, the Lieutenant Colonel Trudge of base, and I said, so
is it against the Lord to take the Lord's name in vain? He said
it certainly, his son. Why do you ask, oh, men taking
the Lord's name vain in my unit? And I said, sir, I'm
sorry to report you that there aren't, and your non commissioned officers are foremost
in the offense. And he said, leave it with me, son,
I'll deal with this. Saluted did an about turn left the commandant's office,
and I mean, that's also interesting that as an enlisted soldier, ruffleman of
no rank, I had the ability to approach the commander about something like this
and he did act on it. The very next Friday, Battalian parade,
the commandant or Lieut ten colonel stood up, after the singing of the national
anthem and raising the plank, and he said, the Lord Jesus Christ is
the commander in chief of this army. Any man who takes the name of
the Lord Jesus Christ in vain is a traitor, and I will treat him
as such. It is the Lord Jesus class that determines whether you live and
when you die. The victory doesn't go to the strong, but to the
righteous. And if you are taking the Lord's name in vain, you're undermining
the lives of all the men in your company and your battalion. And this
is unacceptable. I will crush you to dust, I will grind you to
powder. Nobody takes the Lord's name in vain. Well, as we came
off to the parade ground, a staff sergeant in charge of our particular platoon
started to swear and take the lords anthings. I don't deeply bleep care what
eddy bleep bleep commandant says about deeply bleep the Lord Jesus Christ. And I
went and I laid a charge against that staff sergeant and he got stripped of
his rank. He got drummed down to the ranks. The commandant was serious,
you don't take the Lord's name in vain. If one stick of something
considered vaguely pornographic was found in any bungalow, the entire platoon was sent on
a fuss base, a eightcom of four killing me to run with poles,
drums, tires, massive tractor tires, you know, running and this would
be a normal punishment for and of course pass has been canceled people doing anything
immorral which was dealt with. I don't think you could imagine it happening in
the US arm but that happened in the Old Side economy. And this is
what Mandela fought against. And by the way, when Mandela came to power,
there was a very insightful article in the London Times. London Times says
you must be sympathetic to Paul Nelson Mandela because what he's dealing with is not
just the legacy puts it. His real battle is against Calvinism. SOCU is
the most Calvinist performed country on the planet. And this is what the real
battle of Nelson Mandela is. It's against Calvinism. That's in London Times in
England, so insightful. And that's exactly what he did. He started to
wage war against Christianity from the first day caps power. Wow, that's amazing.
Now, you know we see this today and you talk about the march
through the institutions and you talk about tearing down the statues and the monuments to
the past and directing their principles, their leaders, and that type of thing.
But I think the most telling of all this is as we're in the
middle of Pride Month here in America, we have a couple of different places,
one of them in the southeast of the nation, down in Saint Petersburg,
Florida. The other one is up in Washington State, Spokane, Washington,
where they go in and paint rainbow murals on the street. And we've
had teenagers in both places who I guess they are sick of having the LGBT
doctrine rammed down their throat. Left skid marks in both places, and they
are both they are all three of them up in Washington and one of them
down in Saint Petersburg. They're all up for felony charges. They could get
up to ten years. Isn't that amazing How we are marching through the institutions.
And I think, especially when I look at what is happening through the
churches right now, there's a massive capitulation within the churches to LGBT. It's
just you have to be embracing and inclusive. This idea of inclusivity is just
eating its way through like termites in the Christian churches here in America. Yes,
I understand that the whole LGBTQ is a key part of the Marxist strategy.
They found a way to persecute Christians in Western countries because they've made such
an idol of LGBTQ that our freedom of speech in the past has gone a
freedom of conscience, of freedom of religion, freedom of worship is shattered if
it infringes on the LGBTQ community. That's right, that's right, and jam
on LGBTQ. Plus. The plus includes peterphilia, and yeah, that's coming
pterophilia, which is the next step. The point is, if you speak
against these scenes because of Christian conviction, you've opened yourself up to persecution.
They can't lock you up in the average Western country for believing in God and
believing in the Bible, but they have made it in such way that if
you offend somebody, you could get locked up. Friends of mine in England
got arrested in Bristol for open air preaching. Now that's where George Whitfield launched
a great evangelical awaking with open air preaching in Bristol, and you get people
have gotten arrested in Hyde Park where you can say anything. I mean,
you could send up there in curse the Queen when she is alive. And
Hyde Park is a place of free speech. But if you offend some homer,
some pervert or whatever, then the police arrest you. And they've been
older people, grayheaded people beaten up by thugs, and the police stand by
doing nothing, and in the end they rest the man who was beaten up,
not the ones who assaulted him. He said, he says some thought
crime that hurt someone's feelings. We've got legislation and so called the Hate Speech
Bill, where it's not if you hurt someone, it's if you offend someone.
You may not have intended to offend a person, but if the other
person feels offended by what you said. I mean, theoretically it could be
as simple as well, you know, biologically there's only truth. Genders or
marriage can only be turn a man a woman, or Jesus said, I'm
the way the truth in life. No one comes to father but by me.
Any of those statements might offend someone. The next thing, you can
be guilty of a criminal charge for approaching what the marble says or stating some
facts of biological science, and this is where they're going. They start out
saying we want tolerance. Well they got tolerance, but then they didn't want
a tolerance. They wanted conformity and approval and applause. So it goes from
tolerance to applause to conformity to you've got to fund it, and we've got
to be able to room your children and your grandchildren. And if your object,
we will prosecute you. This is where it's going. And this is
just a new stick invented by the Communists as a new way of perscutting Christians,
and Mandela saw this early on. He entrenched in the Southern constitutional I
should say, you've got celerampositor entrenched in the constitution the sexual orientation right now,
this has never been any constitution before. We might have a bill,
but in the constitution you're right to any sexual orientation, which theoretically could be
that a person's sexual orientation is pedophilia. And now for your person that you
could be guilty of infringing on that man's rights because of the way that phrase
the constitution. So these Marxists are quite clever, and it's no accident that
many of the Marxist leaders that you know of our lawyers, I mean we
can stock, we can start with Lincoln and Lenin, and of course in
South afkl Mandela, Oliver Tambu, Clinton's Obama's all lawyers. You know what
they say, ninety six percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
But it's amazing how how many Marxists lawyers. They take the laws and they
twist them in order to advance their gender. And we need to get back
to the principle that all law must be based upon God's law, which is
invalid and has no part. You laid out an interesting presentation of what life
was like before the Communists, what life was like even in the military.
Give us an idea now that we're what thirty years on in all of this,
what give us a sense of life in South Africa? I know that
with Ramafosa out, they're leading cries of it killed the white man, kill
the boar, and things like that. There's been a lot of talk about
getting up a race war. I think that's another component of what we see
happening here in America. And then of course communists are all about seizing property.
Where is all of this at this point? In time is this and
why did the ANC lose this latest election? What is changing there? What
I'm astounded is that anybody voted for them again. You know, if you
make a mistake, we're all human, we will make a mistake. But
if you make the same mistake twice, you're stupid. If you make the
same mistake three, four, five, six, seven times, you know,
you shouldn't be allowed out of the home without adult supervision. And for
anyone to vote for the n SEE in a seventh election just boggles the brain
because they have stolen, they've looted. So to give you a sense of
how our country is, I used to use the personal service a lot.
I mean we'd send out thousands of unusualers around the world. I could if
I'm going on speaking to I could send a box of books five kilograms,
could be under five rand. And I mean right now a letter. One
letter costs five rund. But the personal service has collapsed. We don't have
a personal service. The South African Perstal Service, like every state owned enterprise,
has collapsed. We don't have post offices. Our post office closed.
They've so looted the place. The South afcan Airways which used to be consistently
in the top ten, sometimes in the top One of best airlines in the
world doesn't exist anymore. Self Gineaways totally bankrupt finished. You can go to
self airport, there's no say cubicles that you know. Don't see a self
Gnaways playing on the runway because they've bankrupted it. They've looted the place complete
and it's not that they were giving away free tickets. We paid a lot
for it. And then before you knew it, they've bankrupted the airways.
Our iscambe, the electricity supply for the country. Electricity company is so bankrupt
they've lost billions, hundreds of billions of rams lost, stolen by their leaders.
So we have par failures. So the average day in South it can
be two, four, six, even eight hours of par failure. Some
parts of the country can get twelve hours part failure day scheduled. Now let
me interjecting and say, is this traditional communist corruption that's destroying the energy infrastructure
or is this also combined with the green stuff that we see here in America.
It is combined with the green stuff. So to give you an example,
well, the European Union paid a six billion eurobribe to the ANC government's
six billion, not million billion, and it was to stop coal production and
to close down a lot of working coal plants that you're providing energy for millions
of people. They're closed down, and just to show for that bribe from
the EU. Do you know what's happened. Our coal is now being shipped
to Europe, to the EU. So we've got our trains and I've seen
them killometers trains coming in from our coal mines going to the port cities,
loading onto ships to go to Europe. So the EU has the audacity toab
us close our coal power plants and then to buy our coal and huge numbers
they need coal because they're not getting the gas from Russian all of course sending
it to China. They're allowed to build the dirtiest power plants that they want,
and as many of them. I've always said that environmentalism is like a
watermelon. It's got a thin ven air of grain and on the inside is
all xis. It's red. Yes. So you used to get in communism,
used to get the order of lenin. Now you get to order the
watermelon. And I'd say Gorbachev gets all to the watermelon. Did you notice
when Gorbachev was thrown out in Russia, do you know what he did?
He came over and he took over the Presidium in San Francisco and opened up
this green institution what they're called the Green Crosses from exthis and his polyt Bureau
that had been kicked out of Pounder saviatg moves over lock Stock and Berrel and
moved into running the green movement from San Francisco under Gorbachev and then Gorbascheff at
the new ten Commanders as they call it at Rio Rio. What was it
nineteen ninety two? Was it that the Rio environmental thing? Gorbachev was a
key author of this. So the Communists moved from running the Soviet Union to
run the green movements in the West. Check it out. It's absolutely saggree.
And now you get the Order of the Watermelon because the Order of Lenin
people have now moved into green movement because it's not about green energy, it's
about control. Who pretend to care about the environment. The people who destroyed
the third largest sea in the world, the ural s Bover irrigating until the
fishing villagers were one hundred kilometers from the shore because they over irrigated and they
drained the whole uralc The National Geographic documented this worst environmental disaster done under Soviets
only central planning our Communist party can cause environmental catastrophes in that level. Could
imagine all the fish dead in the sea, whole fishing villages bankrupted. What
the Soviets could do, what they did with the Danube with a massive dam
that put in Hungary. Mean, it's another story. The Communists have the
worst pollution, they have the worst everything in terms of wrecking the environment.
And yet some aren't they the ones that are run the green movements in the
West. So we've seen this in South Africa. A lot of our communities
are having to buy solar panels and so on. And where do all the
solar panels and batteries come from? Red China? So basically bolstering the economy
of Red China with the green charade, and we are destroying our own economy
and were living in blackouts, so we live in blackouts. This means everybody
in a country needs to have it's their own generators or solar panels and alternative
source of energy. We call it bring your own infrastructure. We can't post
letters anymore. We can't post books. One of my ministries was mailing books
to people who ordered online with our mission. We can't mail the books anymore.
We've got to go to prints undermand ebooks and we can use career companies.
But that's a lot more expensive, of course than what the post office
used to be. But that's upsetting us. Now. Imagine if you're a
restaurant owned You've got food ready and then a power faily comes in and so
the food's spoiled. You've lost the customer, you've lost the money, you've
lost the food. So every restaurant now needs its own generator as well,
and then you've got to buy the fuel for the generator, and you've got
to have all kinds of backups or you can't operate. How can you operate
any business in a competitive society unless you bring your an infrastructure. There's provision
of reliable electricity is the most basic thing needed in the economy. Yes,
yes, and we're saying that now in America. The people who of course
they have massive power requirements of the people who are doing artificial intelligence, and
that's a whole other category. But the people who are doing that because it's
so power hungry. They understand that the power grid here in America is being
sabotaged. So they're starting their own line of power plants to serve themselves.
They're going to provide their own power. That's exactly what you're seeing at a
smaller level. And of course the people who are in on the plan see
this coming from a long ways off, and so they're talking about nuclear power
plants for their AI computer centers that are there. Let's talk a little bit
about your work as a missionary. What is happening in Africa? Mainly after
you get out of South Africa and I guess in Babwe where the Marxists are.
The rest of Africa is really kind of under the thumb of Islam,
isn't it all right? Well? It long controls one third of Africa to
north. About forty percent of population of Africa are in Muslim majority countries,
and the top seven countries in Africa are Arabic speaking and Islamic majority Egypt,
Algeria, all those countries, Libyans, on, Malei, Mauritania. These
are Muslim countries. Somalia nineteen nine percent Muslim, and so on. Central
Africa's got quite a lot of Communist activity, worst in Zimbobie, but we've
got other Communist healthholds as well, and that's what started our mission. When
I was in the southkan Army, I had a barber study groups that met
every night for Bible study in prayer, and we had all our prayer meetings
and prayed away to Operation Ward and we saw the tremendous threat to us of
communism and terrorism, and so division came through very clearly. The Communists to
coming to us with hate and with bombs. Have we ever gone to them
with the Gospel of Christ, with marbles and with the love of Christ?
And surely the best form of defenses attack and the enemies coming to plant bombs
and our roads and to people, surely we should be going to undermine them
with the gospel end of evangelism and turn many of their people into Bible believing
evangelical Christians. And so frontline Fadship was born out of that vision, and
for the last forty two years I've been leading missions all over Africa, especially
into communist countries in later Muslim countries to evangelize and we took a high priority
to evangelizing the anti communist guerrillas like you need to freedom fighters of Jonas,
Vimbia and Angola, and the Rhonamo anti Commists resistance movements in Mozambique. And
if you just think of how America fought in Vietnam, and you left many
years ago, nineteen seventy five, but you left behind the Montenats, well
trained by the Green Berets, who continue to resist the Communists in Vietnam and
Cambodia for decades to come. And so I see, if you think of
the goal of special forces, you work behind enemy lines, and then you
not only work behind emylianes, but you leave behind special forces who will continue
to fight the enemy, many of whom are ExCom themselves. So I took
a high priority to training unique of freedom fighters and Runomo anti commisce guerrillas in
the Gospel, training chaplains and leading them with chaplains handbooks and Bibles and evangelism
Jesus, film outreaches and so on. And these people continue to stay and
to fight against the comments when we come home. And so we've got anti
commerce resistance. We've been strengthened by the Gospel all over Africa. In Sudan,
I found the SPLA, the Sudanese People's Liberation on Me with a Marxist
background, and we turned the whole revolutionary movement of the Sudanese People's Liberation on
Me into a Christian movement. They got through the commisars, they brought in
chaplains. We just frowed Bibles from the evangelism and run up to the top
people, their leaders. We convinced them that the best thing was to make
peace with God, to make peace for the Christian population of their nation,
and to stop fighting God and rather to submit to God. And that'll be
the best place to get freedom for the country. And for so successful that
South Sudan is now free and independent country seceded successfully from Arabic Islamic Sadan seceded
from the Sharia law ninth of July two thousand and eleven. South Sadan became
the youngest country in the world. And that's just one of ours success stories.
Mozambik which was a communist country where we had to smuggle in Bibles in
nineteen eighty two, and I started our work today it's open for the Gospel.
It's easy to start a Christian school church. Very little red tape,
and the government's even given back hundreds of churches that that confiscated and closed back
to the church and schools. And so we've seen tremendous success. Angola,
which used to be a communist country, banned the Bible, burned churches today
wide open for the Gospel. So our mission has seen and of course the
greatest success of all, you could say, is Eastern Europe, which had
once been communist satellite of the Soviet Union. We smuggled in Bibles, we
did radio broadcast, we did leadership training, underground leadership training courses like the
School of the Prophets, which grew into being the biggest Christian university in your
Emmanuel University in Aradia in Romania now and that started as an illegal night school
during the communist persecution. And these are just some of the examples of answers
to prayer and the power of the Gospel to transform lives. So right now
we've got a whole program called the Gospel for Guerrillas, Tracts for terrorists,
you know, transformed terrorists into evangelists. Think of the persecuted church. Saul
became the apostle missiony of the church. Paul and so God can take enemies
and turn them into his own evangelists. And there's nothing like the zeal of
a convert. And I was brought up in a secular family and from the
Dowos converted. I've known and been called to missions, but to evangelize terrorists.
And I've gone and I've preached to terrorists. I've been their basis.
I've evangelized Muslims who were terrorists, of evangelised Communist who are terrorists, and
I've seen some of them won over where now they are evangelists. And instead
of whipping up more wars and singing in the Marines, I think we should
be sending in the missionies. Instead of bombing the people, I think we
should bombard them with Bibles and with prayer. And I believe there's no political
solution to Christ in the Middle East. I believe the only solution is spiritual.
We need to get into the Middle East and evangelize them. So amongst
examples you can find there's a book out called Son of from Us where the
son of the Founder from Us is actually speaking out against from Us. And
if you've seen the books of Mark Gabriel. Mark Gabriel was an Egyptian Arab
Muslim who was a son of an Imam who was teaching as a professor in
Cai University. He was trained to people in Islam, Islamic history, and
the Corona, and through the witness the faithful witness of a Coptic Christian pharmacist,
he came to christ and he was arrested. He is tortured by the
police in Egypt for being a convert and apostate from Islam. In other words,
he fled overland all the way to South Afrika, got more training in
Sufga. I think he now lives in Canada, and Mark Gabriel has written
books comparing Muhammed with Jesus, comparing Christianity with Islam, and helping people to
understand the mind of Islamic terrorists. And now there's an example of how it's
better to transform a person from being a terrorist or somebod who supports terrorism or
is the ideology behind it, to being an evangelist. In Rhodija, where
I grew up is a man Naber Zinghi Musa who's now past the number Zingi
Musa. He was a Zobry terrorist Zimbobie African People's Unions Soviet back Soviet training,
and he was sent to assassinate an evangelist in a Heroi township outside Salisbury
during the war, and he never gave the order because he got so entranced
in what the evangelists were saying. I was told him, you preach,
You should preach like your life depends on it, like you were dying.
And the last time you preach or the last time you hearers will hear you
well. That evangelist saved his life by preaching so well that Musa didn't give
the order for attack, and his men came to afterwards confused. He said,
go home, I'll speak to you later, and he went to the
evangelist gave his life to the Lord, and he went into theological training.
He became a posta. I was having supper with him one time and we
were in a brefare at a hotel and I said, you know you've passed
the meet. Don't you want to get the meat? And he said no,
it reminds me too much when he used to eat people. Oh,
I accept with the cannibal, but you know now he is an ebstinent capital
cannibal and quite an extraordinary experience with Yeah, God, can change anybody.
I love what you're saying, because I keep saying to people, you know,
we're not going to have reform in this country unless we get right with
God. And that really is the path. You want to have Asymmetric warfare,
and the church is called not to be on defense, but to be
on offense. I love that letter. Now let me ask you. You
said you met with a group of terrorists. How do you How would you
get into that group of terrorists? And it was just somebody that introduced you
and brought you in, how did you get into this group? To to
evangeliz, Well, let me give you my first example. Back in nineteen
eighty two, I bought my motorbike has left South gn Army offered motormike loads
up with World Mystery Press, gospel booklets, got the Jesus Form and I
rode into Mapuchu and I stood in the street corner saying hello, Hello,
Hello. And after a while somebody said hello back, and I turned.
I said, ah, you're a Christian. He said hellly? And I
said praise the Lord and he said hellly. And we stood the slack sunder
and he said, do you have a place to stay? You must stay
in my home tonight. Well, we had no plan. This is our
accommodation. Do you have a translated I speak wronga Tonga soir and chunk on
Portuguese fluidly. You've got the job and the next thing you get it together.
A whole lot of underground church people and we talked about hundreds of people
in it, burned out, bombed out church commune, slogans in the walls,
bullet holes and the walls, blood on the floor, place been stripped,
and just a few wise hanging at the wind out of the walls where
there used to be plugs. And I had an evangelistic rarely them their fourteen
hour service just carried on on. The people are just so excited. You
the first visitor we've had since the revolution. And then I'd have the Jesus
Form. Now interestingly, just that first time to show you how bizarre everything
was. I told him I've brought the Jesus Form, and people got so
excited about that. And then I said, do you know where I can
borrow a projector? And I all got deflated, like as he had of
his money. He comes to Mosiwiki, doesn't have a projector, how's he
going to show the film. Well, afterwards the man came up to you
and said, I work at the British Embassy. They've got a projector.
Come to the corner of Vlader Milin and Marcy Tungue Street tomorrow and I'll introduce
you to the Yeah, seriously, to the consulate. And so I went
to concert explained, and I'm British citizen because my father fought sixty as the
Second World War in the rural Artillery and the eighth Army of a British prossport,
even though I've never lived in Britain. So I showed him my British
pastor and said, may I bury your sixteen millimeters projector. I'm a British
missionary work in Mozambika, brought a film, but I don't have a projector.
I couldn't have afford the projector back then. Actually I just come out
the Army, put all my money into getting the filmant getting the Bibles we
needed, so I couldn't afford the projector. So talk about a faith mission.
And the concertor said, you welcome to borrow my projector, but he
said, I need to warn you. These power failures most of the time
when you get electrics about once a week. Wow. I said, well,
we have to pray about that. So I set up in the church
and I've got to take the plug off with the Phillip screw driver and then
twist the wires together, trying not to electrocute myself, which isn't difficult because
there's no power, and then pray for the lights come on. Well,
that night, that first night, believe it or not, the power came
on so I could show the tow this film. And just as we're in
the Chris friction scene, the power goes off. I thought, that's not
bad. But most of the film I serve and I preached, and as
I was preaching on the Cross of Christ, the lights come back on,
so I'm able to continue. We finished the resurrection scene, great commission,
and then the form us over I could preach the more And while I'm preaching
in the pitch doc, I see Saltians and camouflage coming to the front carrying
the AK forty sentents, and I thought I'm about to get arrested. No,
they knelt on the floor. They put their AK forty sentiments on the
ground. They knelt down and they said, we want to give our lives
to Christ. And I was able to leave lead communists to Christ. On
my first mission to Mozabee, I've baptized communist, I've had Bible says.
Now some of them will invited to come to the next place. Or I'd
have can you show the form of our camp. I'd go to a camp
and I'd crank up the generator, and when we were a bit more organized,
lady, we actually brought our own generators long and we could show the
Jesus film in their communist camps. I've shown the Jews film in camps of
communistms and Bowe, Mozambique and Cola absolutely magnificent, even to Arabs inc.
Then I was driving in Harrari in the embassy lane and I saw an embassy
to the Palestinian Liberation Organization. So I quickly stopped and turned into the embassy
and I asked to speak to the head of the PLO there in Horori.
So this is like a terrorist training camp in an embassy which used to be
an embassy, and now it's an embassy for the PILO terrorists in Horrai.
And you know, I've got in there and I started to I said I'm
a theological student, at which at that stage I was, and I'm interested
in learning about Islam, which is also true because I have specialized in Islam.
And so we sat down and they started to explaining Islam and they were
saying, but Islam, isn't there any motivation of Pilo. The Pilos has
Christians as well, and you know where I found it hard to believe.
But in talking to them and they were saying, you know, we believe
in full religious freedom. I said, I'm so glad to hear that I've
got the Jesus from Can I show it to your people? And this ship
looks a bit like what I say, wrong? And we went out there
and we showed the film. In these you could see some of the Muslims
were quite agitated, but you know, they just proclaimed a religious freedom and
so okay, I didn't get a second chance, but I did get away
with it that time and things like this. There's a time I was preaching
to a group of I call them books the Zimbobie National Army on an observation
post overlooking Muttori in the Eastern Hans of Zimbobbie. And on the way out
we were intercepted. Somebody had complained that US preaching, and on the way
down the COO Central Intelligence Organization, they're like the KGB of Zimbobie. They
blocked the road that caught us, ambushed us, and us taken off to
interrogation. And when I say interrogation, I mean took into a room that
looked like a hardware store table full of all kinds of pliers and other tools,
and sat in an arm chair which had leather straps for the arms and
for their feet. And there's a battery in the corner with crocodile clips and
wires, so you know where you're going to be chances with electricity. And
they're not depending on Zimbobbi electricity. They've got their own battery there. And
I mean it's literally shocking. So I'm sitting down there and they said,
what are you teaching them in? So I started to relct the gospel.
No, no, no stop. Why do you come Tozimbobie. So I
related my testimony. I tell you, these men start to shuffle scratched back
of their heads and shuffler feets and look at the fingernails and getting awkward.
And the one man said, my mother's very religious. My one said,
my sister's religious, And before you knew it, the whole atmosphere changed.
I'm talking about these blood, tasty, callous torturers, the s they humor,
the conviction of sin. Wow. And you know, in a time
like that, you really feel functioned from and how to preach like you've never
preached before, because your life, literally and your fingernouns depends on So I
proclaimed the Gospel them, and literally within the hour, I was driving out
to the driver and giving back my vehicle on keys, and these men are
standing with their Bibles and Shauna under the arms, waving goodbye. And it
actually happened. In fact, I've written a whole book on this thing,
Frontline Behind Me, Lines for Christ on a forty two years of events,
and these are just some of the evangelisms amongst terrorists, overfall and footy pictures
in it. I've got test me of opportunities to preach to communist terrorists,
revolutionaries, militants, radicals, rioters. We've had times and people whove been
taking books and matches in our faces saying I'm going to Nicholas you, We're
going to earn your life, and things like this, but we have persevered
in God's given grace, wisdom, strength. I'm convinced Missionis can do far
more for the security of our nations by evangelizing enemies than we can by going
there bombing them and radicalizing more people and winning them more recruits. Oh.
I absolutely. I love what you're doing. And what it reminds me of
is that, certainly in your life you are not ashamed of the Gospel of
Christ. I think that is the biggest problem with the American Church. People
have been so browbeat about all this, Oh, we've got to be nice
to everybody, we have to meet them where they are, and all the
rest of this stuff. No, you just need to tell the truth,
and you need to say it. They're not in a mean way. And
as I said, oh, you just simply declare the truth. And that
is the key thing. And that's what Americans are afraid to do to the
man. They don't that they've been shamed into silence. We've been shamed into
the closet while every kind of perversity is parading in the street here in the
middle of Pride Month. We are shamed to say anything about that, and
not necessarily in a condemning way. But you know, to put out the
Gospel of Christ and sometimes calls in what it is. And that's what you
have done, is to give people the Gospel, to give them a hope
in an area where they have no hope. You know, for all these
guys who are terrorists, all these guys who are torturing people, I mean,
it's just for them. How are they going to know that tomorrow they
won't be the ones that are sitting in the chair and having their fingernails pulled
out. In fact, I point this design Holo treks specifically for terrorists,
pointing out that every revolution is cannibalistic, they end up killing them. Yes,
And just think of who is the hero of the revolution in so Viegeen
Leon Trotsky, and he literally got axed, bold of strong, he got
an ice pick in the head. He's buried and mixed city. And this
is what happens, like an animal farm snowball. The hero of the revolutionary
gets killed by the dogs who sit on him, by Napoleon, And this
is the way it goes. In Zimbabwe, the leader of the revolution,
Josiah Tonga, the head of the Zimbabwe African Union Liberation Army he gets murdered
on Christmas Eve in Zimbabwe and opens the door to mcgoby becoming the first leader
of Zimbabwe. And in South Afka, the leader of the Communist Party was
Chris Hani, who gets murdered just the year before to enable not just Mondela
to become presents, because Chris Hani was very charismatic, a good speaker,
after basing him in the public too, but to allow Tarban Becky and Jacob
Zuma to become the first successor to Mandela. Chris Hani we'd been a schuen
and he is so liked, so charismatic, and he was the most powerful
man, being the head of the Communist Party, head of the Quanti Sisri,
which is the armed wing, the terrorist wing of the ANC. And
so his assassination, which many in the ANC, including William Mandela say was
an inside job done by the ANC to get rid of him because he's too
popular. Edward macloney was the founder of the Filimo Communist Party in Mazabique.
The main streets in Mapuchi is named the ed Mardon Manloney Avenue Boulevard Edward Manlony.
Well. He was murdered so that Samora Michelle could take his place,
and so it carries on every revolution. You can see the revolutions are cannibalistic.
Do you know that Marchi Tung in nineteen sixty eight nineteen sixty six began
the Cultural Revolution by arresting the President of Red China and the head of the
army. They were Troika. He was the chairman, there was the president
and the head of the army of the Red China were accused of treason.
I mean, how's it even possible? And Marchitung sees his power and eliminates
millions of people. And this is to communists. The second phase of the
revolution. They always end up killing the revolutionaries like Stalin Shrow trials. He
killed off the veterans of the ultric revolution. You see, people who do
a revolution cannot be trusted because when you fail to fulfill your promises, they
know how to overthrow a government. They're going to overthrow you. So the
first people to get in the neck literally is the band god of the revolution.
The van god of the revolution gets slaunted in the second phase of the
revolution. So I share these facts with the comments and when they realize that,
they start to understand. Like Moist Trombet of Congo as well. You
know, he gets wiped out the Commists at a university training terrorists in Moscow
called them the patricial Member University Patricial Member was the leader of the communist revolution
and he was murdered by his own in the Congo. And this is absolutely
typical when people realize, you realize that just using you like a pawn and
you're going to be sacrificed for the good of the revolution. Soon you start
to get them realizing you know it's true. And when I understand the history
and understand where there's going, many of these people are willing to turn.
And many ex communists have ended up being the best anti communist and they've been
the best fighters in Ranamo, the anti Commists resistance in Mozabik, or the
uned anti Commis resistance and Gola, and so it is when people understand how
communists work, they get to realize they're going to shoot me in the back
of the neck as well. Yes, I've got to get out now and
be part of resistance because if us stay, my day's a numbered And so
there are ways to persuade the communists and when they get to understand that you
understand history. That also helps. I've had this before when when I was
arrested in Mozambique nineteen eighty nine. I was thrown prison there and quite an
experience. There was a much harvest security prison Maputu, and I wake up
to a horrible smell and I feel something on my face. In it,
I'm lying on a concrete floor and there's a rat just about to sort of
stop them my nose in a smart like he has come from the sewers,
which he had, I'm sure. And there was a hole under the door
that rat could get in outs. And so right there I knew what I
was in. Well. Later the day that came for me for interrogation,
I'm dragged. They never let you walk. They dragged me down the hallway
God on each side, into again another one of these interrogation rooms that looked
like a Hodwa store. And the man beyond table said I am the devil.
And I said, you're not the devil, and he said, oh,
I'm the devil. I'm not only a Marxist and a Lenist, I'm
a Stalinist. I was trained in tricks to Morchia. So I responded,
well, I'm a Christian, and he spat out I hate Christians, but
I mean he spat it up for such venom, and how do you respond
to that? Well, he then start to break me for the evils of
communists, of evils a Christianity. And then he said, you know,
Jesus Christ was the first communist. Jesus Christ taught from all going to the
bill ty each according to his need. So you saw that cheese Christ.
It sounds like colmock where in the Bible to get this? And they and
then he carried on with the first Christmas were the first communists. And in
fact, anyone who refused to share their property was killed. And you know,
we are just enforcing what you're reading a book of Acts, he says.
So I said, well, if you read the Book of actiscy an
license fire. Were not killed by the apostles. They were struck dead by
God himself. No human hand touched them because they lied to the Holy Spirit.
And it was not that they weren't willing to share their property. It
was that they lied, and that they'd not lied just the man. They'd
lied to God, to the Holy Spirit. And anyway, I then went
on and said, if Jesus christ was the first communist, and the early
Church were the practice communism. Why do you ban Bibles? Why is it
that I've got a smuggle bibles? And why burnt? If this was true,
you'd want to promote Bibles. And the man started to give me a
lecture on how evil capitalism was, and gave a tirade against Margaret Thatcher,
who was Prime minist in Britain at that stage. So I then gave a
lecture about the French Revolution and explaining how secular humanism ropes you and Voltaire,
how they brought by the collapse of good standards for the poor, and how
the poor always benefits from Christianity, and how the poor get poorer and I'm
more pressed under communism. And then the man gave me a lecture on dialecting
materialism, and so I gave him. I thought, I can swap lectures
all day. I love history much more than getting your femails ripped out and
being electrocuted. I gave him electure on the Reformation. We went backwards and
forwards about these things, and at the end he declared the interview over been
six hours. Look at the clock in the wall, and it just shows
if you know your history, you can engage Communists and Commis love arguing politics
and history economics. So when you know that, it's much better, you'll
keep your fingernails, you'll keep your I'm much happier to debate the communists,
and they normally have to debate, But if you don't have anything intelligence said,
they'll start torturing. I mean seriously, that's what happens. Well,
what about when you go to Islam. How does it you described your situation
with the communists and how they like to debate history and politics and maybe even
religion. What about Islam when you've had encounters that, Well, Islam loves
discussing religion. So again, you've got to know the Qoran. And I
learned the Qoran not only from Christians who worked amongst Muslims. I went into
the mosques and I asked the Muslims to train me. I went to Islamic
propagations in and had them explain the Quran. And the first day I didn't
even ask me questions except to clarify things. And I've learned a Muslim's perspective
in Islam, which is different from a Christian like me. Explaining is long
to you and so that was very helpful. So I first may try to
understood Islam pretty well. Then I went to the very experienced man Niels undrtured
or Evangelism and Muslim Araus. He taught me how to reach Muslims well.
And so what I've done is sometimes gone into mosques and ask the mom if
we could have a debate on Islam and Christianity, or comparing Jesus Muhammad or
the Corona Bible, or how can you know that our sins are forgiven?
How are your sins forgiven of Islam? How can you be right to God?
How can you know you're going to paradox? And we discuss things like
this. Let sometimes one to discuss was Jesus christfad did Jesus rise from dead?
Those are good debating subjects. So debates and discussions always help meeting people
in the homes they're willing to let you in. Normally I can go to
the Malay Quarter where it's hundreds in Muslim and mosques all over the place,
and you come and knock and door, I'd like to talk to you about
I'm a Christian. I'd like to talk to you about Islam and Christianity.
Would you be interested in discussion. They often batch you in, give your
tea coffee, sit down and have a discussion. We've even organized Bible studies
in mosques where we come and we say, okay, what is a don't
teach about this subject? And they'll explain what the Plant teachers in that subject,
and then we'll explain what the Bible says about that subject. Then they'll
explain what the Crown says about another subject, and so you've got basically it's
an objective, constructive discussion. This is to understand what you tell me,
what the Crown teachers on sin, man, God, Heaven, Hell,
Salvation, so on. I'll tell you what the wild is and interesting discussions
come out of it. And we've had people coming to us saying, you
know, I'm from Saudi Arabia. This is illegal in Saudi Arabia, you
know, and they sex up when you give them a Bible and they're like,
can I have this? You know, this is illegal in my country,
and they've got all excited to somebody's been given something that's illegal and is
I find the more from a hardcore Muslim country that come the more open or
to the Gospel when in another country is obviously an own country that wouldn't be
able to do that, and so we have debates, we have discussions,
and we meet people in homes and if as long as you can talk intelligently
and it's obviously understand is we can get quite far. And I've got friends
who used to be Muslims who've been converted to Christ and it's wonderful. And
people from Pakistan, people from Iraq, people from Syria, people from Saudi
Arabia and Egypt. We've got a whole Bible college going up in Northern Africa,
in an Arabic speaking North African country, which is part of our William
Carey Bible Institute, and we've got thirteen students who came from a Muslim background
what you call a Muslim background Believer or NBB, and it's just wonderful.
We had a while ago when we had six graduates finished the three year program
and we had a graduation service was totally illegal, underground and secret, but
we were able to through a web platforms able to have me still give a
presentation at the graduation service remotely. And these people came from unreached people where
it's totally illegal and this was all done in a country where this would be
completely illegal. Muslims are coming to christ and it's exciting. So that's something
that that surprises me, is that you would be able because is it different
different parts of Islam because we look at it as monolithic. But of course
you got the Shia, and you've got the hobbyist and the Sunnis and all
the rest of this stuff. There's a lot of different flavors of that.
Is that why and some of these now you mentioned that you're still having to
do some things underground, but I guess in some of these areas, maybe
that's why the mom would be open to debate. Or is it just because
they're somebody that's from another country and they're not being watched, or it's all
of those things. And so what you find is a MUSLIMI mom wants to
win a Christian to Islam, and so this would be a great state of
symbol if he could, if he could persuade me to become Muslim. Now
he's convinced Islam as right, I know, the Christians, but the fact
it's willing to recircle. Let's make this even you know, you explain what
the cross I explained the moms is now he's convinced he's going to win you
over. So his goal is to evangelize me for Islam Dawa, and my
goal is to share the gost for him. And we know that actually,
ultimately it's not a decision. This is something the Lord does. And there's
some good tools. One of them is more than Dreams, and More than
Dreams has five Muslim conversions true stories done and I recreated from method showing actual
tests and Muslims how they came to Christ. I've got some booklets as well
about how people came to Christ from Islam. And if you go to the
people in a way of them being interested in a discussion, and hopefully when
you use Islam. That's why I often portray myself as I'm a theological student
and I'm a student of Islam. I'm interested in learning about Islam. But
you help answer my questions, and of course many of my questions are going
to cause doubts in their mind too, like how do you prepare your heart
for prayer? And they happily tell you how they wash their hands in their
ears and the nose, and they clean their feet and so on and yes,
but how do you clean your heart? I find very hard to prepare
mine. How do you wash your mind? And they get confused? And
do you you ask questions such as, what can you tell me to convince
me that the Corona is the word of God? And it's because Muhammed said
it? And how do I know that Muhammed is a true prophet of God?
Or because the churn says yes? Well, isn't the circular reason?
I mean, how can I know the Corona is the word of God?
And yeah, it's there? Are there any prophecies in the Quran about events
far ahead? And tell them about some of the prophecies in the Bible,
and then I've spoken. Some of the top Muslim evangelists in the world debates
is like Ahmadidad who was He's written as scores of books, printed millions of
copies. He's the founder Islamic Propagation Center natural so Amid debating him and he's
filming this the same time. So what prophecies are in the Quran? Well,
Mohammad prophts aren't that the Roman Empire would fall, but the Roman Empire
felt before Mohammad was born. That's called history. That's not prof and what
miracles did Mohammad do? And well, let let me go back to the
first question. How do I know that Muhammad is a prophet of God?
Dead? Serious? Is his answer. He had a gap between his front
teeth, and he had a mole, you know, and this apparently I
think the mole was on his back actually, so you know, some dermological
problems, some dental problem, and that prus is a prophet of God.
But seriously, that's what he gave. Was there any miracles that Muhammad did
when he prophecies the gave, Well, in fact, there was, according
to Ahmadida. I mean, remember he's the top Islamic author, he's the
founder of that in the Propagations International. When Mohammad was fleeing the soldiers of
Mecca, he hid in the cave and the spider spun a web over the
cave mouth. And when the soldiers came past and said, well, you
can't be in there, and they went on, they said, that's it,
spider's web. I mean, that's the strongest you've got, And I
mean that's the answer gave. Well, of course I could say a lot
more about how Jesus from the Koran, the Korn Jesus was born in virgin
he is holy, sinless, perfect. Here's the word of God, Here's
the Messiah. The Quran says this like a Chaptain verse on the stories about
that. And Jesus, as I said, into heaven, he's coming gain
to judge a living and the dead. What other prophets can you say this
of? And you know, just comparing Jesus with any other prophet already convincess.
So we lay some foundations like this and discussions and you know, I
make it sound easy, but of course it's hard to be us as interruptions
and they always want to say that what they want to say before they listen
to you. So you've got to listen to them first. Ask questions.
But I find asking probing questions to help. How can you know for sure
that you're going to Paradise? Well, of course there's only one way,
and Muslim can know for sure that he's going to Paradi if he dies into
heart killing the Infidel. But they can't say that to you. I mean,
Muhammed himself said he didn't know what Allah would do with him on Dave
Judgment. So Austin, how can you know for sure that you're entert I
don't know how can Allah forgive you a sense? And you know the answer
got from a three times he raised his shoulders in his arms hands up trade
And then of course, as you mentioned there, they'll say that Jesus was
you know, virgin birth, the prophet of God, Messiah, and all
the rest of it coming back. And yet they deny the Christ the cross
right. And so they deny it. They doing payment for a cent.
So you know, how do they respond with that issue, whether are arms
up? Well, they deny the crist fix of Christ based on an interpretation
of one sora. There's one verse that says that that that Nabisa was not
chrisfhand, although it was made to appear so to them. Now, that's
just one sra written by somebody who was not an eyewitness hundreds of years later.
And yet there's so many saws in the Kuran that authenticate that the Bible
is the word of God, and that you mustn't dispute to the people of
the book, and that the words of Alah cannot be lost or changed or
corrupted. The other's words endure forever. So on this basis, I'm able
to make a strong case that the Quran claims to be built on the Bible.
Koran claims to be a authentication and a confirmation of the Bible, and
Muhammed claims to be the lost prophet. He's confirming what all the other prophets
said, including Nabisa, the prophet Jesus. So they're on the end of
a branch and they can't solve the branch on the inside. Not that Southwunga.
The Bible does not depend on the Quran, but the Koran does depend
on the Bible, and we need to build on that because wus them cannot
deny Jesus. He is a profit of his They must respect him. In
fact, when they say Nabiisa, they must add peace be upon him,
like they do about Mohamad. They might forget, but we can remind them
because he is illustrious in this world and in the hereafter, and here is
a sign for the nations, for all nations. Ahmadida would like to say,
well, Jesus is a prophet to the Jews, but Muhammed is a
prophet to all nations. But the Koran states that Jesus is a sign to
all the nations, and so they cannot actually deny Jesus. Even just knowing
the Quran is enough to make them see that Jesus or Nabisa as they call
them, the prophet Jesus is not to be compared with any other, and
he is perfect. Now, even using the Koran, I can lead into
points of seeing Jesus is more important than Muhammad. Do you know that Muhammad
is mentioned four times in the Koran, only four times. Jesus by the
name of Nabia is mentioned over eighty times in the Koran. In fact,
Mary is mentioned I'll see more times than Mhammad as well. And so already
you can see from the Koran itself the importance of Jesus and his mother,
and that Muhammad is not a major emphasis of the churn. They get more
on Muhammad, of course and hadith, but that death is not as authenticated
as the chron. The korn is others words to us according to them,
and hadith is the teachings and the actions of Muhammad mentioned by his followers.
So deith is secondary to the chorn, and we've gotten quite far with that.
So I thought, being white and Western, and it's kind of obviously
my complexion gives me away that this would be a sotminu blok to me evangelizing,
but actually it's not. In many ways, it creates interest. And
I found even with the with the black people, ander the Arab people,
I'm a bit of anomally, a bit of a status symbol. They've got
this foreigner, this guest, and they like to invite me in. And
one thing we find that always works with Muslims if you want to get an
opening, is can I pray for you? Is anything that you need prayer
for? And you know personally said they know prayers to Muhammad haven't healed anyone,
but many of them have great faith that Nabis prophet Jesus he can heal.
I mean, there's no evidence anywhere that Muhammad healed anyone, but Jesus
healed many people, and they know that even from the Koran. Now when
we come along, we say can I pray for you? Whether it's in
a home or something. Muslims always come up with things that they need pray
for. Now you pray, and when the prayers answered. You can imagine
how this really opens up people's hearts. And people's children have been healed from
sickness, people have experienced all kinds of answers to prayer in the name of
Jesus. And therefore that's something This is something you see in the frontiers of
gospel work. I wouldn't advise this normally, but Mark sixteen speaks about when
we work for God, he works along with us, and he will he
will confirm the Word with signs following. And so remember every promise in the
Bible, every command and Bible comes to the promise. And so when the
Lord says I'll be with you always, it's in the context of going to
all the world and make themselves of all nations and the little breathing them and
said, receive the Early Spirit. You will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and
Judea and Samia. And that's resparts earth when Holy Spirit comes upon you.
So the power is promised when we are fulfilling the great commission. I've seen
miraculous healings. And I was in the Nuber mountains of Sedan when I got
stung by a scorpion. It was a little luminous of almost colorless scorpion with
massive tail and small clippers. Those are the most deadly. And my left
hand was poisoned by stung by the scorpion, and I could feel a person
working up my arm heading towards my heart, and it was nothing for it
except to call for the elders to pray for me. So Christians and Mishley
coworkers gathered around and prayed for me, and I felt the poison going down
my arm and out through my fingers, and the local Muslim sort and the
scorpion, you know, he is stung by the scorpion. And that's a
deadly scorpion, not the dark scorpions or the big clippers and a small tail.
This is a light colored scorpions, almost transparent scorpions with a big tail.
They're the deadly ones. And they could see what the Bible says that
you know, they'll be stung by scorpions and by snakes, and we're not
home them. Well, we don't believe in doing this on a stage.
We're not like those cults might play with snakes and things like this. But
in the actual course of God's work and these things happen. There was promised
to intervene, and so in ministry, in the frontiers of missions, amongst
these people's grips, I've seen answers to prayer. So I'm not a science
and wonders person. I believe the Bible is our authority totally. But miracles
happen in pioneer missions, and I've heard that many times. Signs of miracles
person either, but yes, I've heard many, many reports of that.
As you said on the front Line Missions, it truly is amazing. I
could go on for ever with you. We're going to split this into two
different uh two different interviews. Here tell people where they can find out about
what you're doing at Frontline Missions s a dot org and uh work, is
that the best place for them finding You've got so many different websites. I
think you've got like ten of them here. We'll put them in the The
bist one is the best one is Frontline Mission is dot Frontline Mission is a
dot on the back of our book. Frontline Mission is a is a short
for Secus, not missions. It's Frontline Missions is a dot org. And
you'll find us on Facebook as well. Frontline Fellowship of the badge the sort
of word and you can see the sort of word and above me that's our
missions badge on the shields on the wall and we've been going footage years.
You can email me at Pietera at frontline dot org dot z a Peza at
frontline dot org dot h. That's my personal email, and you'll also see
I'm busy on Facebook as well. We've got a bookshop. We provide a
lot of our books by email. We've got ebooks, we've got prints on
demands. So even if our personal service isn't behaving ourselves, we've still got
ways of getting the materials to people. We send out emails, we sell
out audio visuals on the Frontline Mission SA dot org website. There's audio visuals,
presentations transforming terrorists into evangeli into evangelists. We've got on how to resist
Marcus bullying tactics, exposing the whole cancel culture movement, which is nothing but
canceled Christianity. That's the whole goal of canceled cultures communism, and its goal
is canceled Christianity. That's the only thing that makes sense to the whole agenda.
And of course I've lived through several revolutions, so I've worked in thirty
eight countries. I've traveled in forty two countries. I've worked in thirty eight
countries, including eight wars. I've gone through three revolutions. I've been in
prisons multiple times in communist countries and arrested Muslim country as well, and I've
got the stories in my book Frontline Honey, Allies for Christ. We've got
audio visuals on our websites and articles on many of these issues that we're dealing
with. Videos that people can see. I hope to produce sedanh Head and
Holocaust and terrorism and persecution films which expose a lot of what is going on
in the field. And you can see videos on our website that even show
some of the imprisonments and some of the announcements on the news broadcast about our
imprisonments and testimies of some of the combat that we're involved in. It first.
So that's all available on the Frontline Mission Essay dot org website. I'd
love to hear from some of the listeners and viewers. Yes, and so
your workers. We always need workers, We need volunteers, and have people
interested in short term ministry or long term ministry and would like to come and
volunteer at the time. We have training programs here like the Great Commission Course
enable people to learn Muslim evangelism firsthand in a peaceful area like Cape Town,
where it's legal before we attempt to send anyone out. But we're in a
port city that's cosmopolitan and people can practice evangelism here. So we use Cape
Ton as a training base for the Great Commission. Course, have the people
hiking up and down table Mountain and getting fit night hicks, Bible smuggling drills
in the forest at night. We've got hunter teams and we've got smuggling teams,
and if people are interested in ministering and restricted accessories, we've got the
experience of fort each years. And we'd love to train more people because I
believe this is the way we will fulfill the Great Commission and we will defeat
any of the enemies, is by getting into these areas and winning these people
to Christ. And many are wide open and hungry and disillusioned. And the
gospel is powerful. In fact, as I heard in Sudan a man set
after we've got bombed, the Bibles of the Christians are more powerful than the
bombs of the Muslims. And it's true. Yes, that's amazing. Now
let me just repeat one more thing your book that's about your life experiences there
front lines, behind enemy. What was it Frontline, Behind Enemy Lines for
crist Behind Enemy Lines for Christ. Yeah. This is also prints on the
moder An ebook. Okay, go ahead. That picture on the front is
me in the Nuba Mountains. But you've got four hundred and forty pictures.
It's a very well illustrated book with thoughts of what's going on in the field.
So you know, if people are interested this, this will give them
an instance into what goes on in these areas. And well, I'm definitely
interested. I'm definitely interested. I'm gonna have to yes, Thank you so
much. It is fantastic talking to you again. A frontline mission SA dot
org and that'll be kind of your entry point there. We'll have some of
these links in the videos when we put them up as well. So thank
you so much for joining us. Doctor Peter Hammond, I appreciate it's been
amazing to talk to you. Thank you so much. Thank you, David
not appreciate the opportunity. God bless America, Thank you, God bless you.
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