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on our guests for today, and

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we'd like to welcome Mike to the
program. Mike, thank you for joining

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us today. How are you,
hey, I'm doing well. Thanks a

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lot, George. I really appreciate
you having me on the podcast. By

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the way, Oh you're You're quite
welcome and I'm so happy to have you.

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And like we were talking briefly before
we started recording it, it's really

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awesome to get so many different points
of view from around the world, different

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backgrounds, and everybody has their own
opinions and thoughts, and you know,

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I've learned a lot speaking to everyone, and I'm sure I'm going to learn

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something from you as well. Why
don't we kick things off kind of by

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introducing yourself? Okay? Um?
Yeah, So Mike, I have been

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born and raised in northern New England, so here we kind of run the

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gamut with the weather, which you
know, I'm kind of used to at

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this point. But a lot of
people around the country look at our situation

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and wonder why we live here,
but I love it and unless God calls

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me out, I'll be here.
I'm a lifer and so yeah, so

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I raised my kids here and we
live in an old circus seventeen nineties farmhouse

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and we just love it. That's
amazing. I'll tell you there's something to

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home, because you know, I
was born and raised in Delaware, and

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then I ended up traveling around the
world in the military, and I lived

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in for three years. I lived
in Hawaii, which people think that's paradise.

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I found it so unusual, being
eighty two degrees on Christmas Day,

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right, It's just the memories you
have often aligned with the weather and the

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surroundings, and it was just weird
for me, and I never got used

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to it. And I was actually, as crazy as it sounds. I

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was ready to leave Hawaii after my
three years and get back to somewhere where

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we have four seasons, which we
experience here. Yeah. I am the

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same way when I travel. I've
traveled a fair amount and I always think

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about, like could I live here? And and then you know, so

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the answers always know, and I
head home and I started seeing the Roland

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Hills and the evergreens, and I
don't. I just love it. That's

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fantastic. So I've heard a lot
of um things about like homeschooling and stuff

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like that. We did. My
kids are both grown. I was married

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young. Um my wife and I've
been married for twenty seven years this year

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and I'm forty six, So do
that, and so both of my kids

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are are grown and out. And
but we did homeschool, and um,

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just like, like I won't stay
on this for too too long, but

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just like we had all the same
objections that everybody else had, you know,

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well what about the socializing and all
that stuff. And of course,

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you know, we were involved in
other things our church. You know,

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we were very active in the church, and we had the kids involved in

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different sports and stuff. So there
was definitely plenty of interaction. But like,

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the goal we always thought was not
to have them be able to interact

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with kids, but the goal was
to get them to interact with adults.

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You know, that when they became
adults, that they wouldn't be like perpetual

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children or something, you know.
So um, you know, so I

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think that what we did really prepared
them for their adult lives. And they

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ended up taking some classes when they
got into high school because we're allowed to

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do that in this area, which
stands the reason we pay taxes. So

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anyway, they got into like about
four classes or so when they got into

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high school, and they were like
top of their class. So as far

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as like academically, it was incredibly
effective. And my wife, she didn't

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even use a curriculum. I don't
know if you've ever heard of the style,

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but it's like a relaxed homeschooling and
the premise is that kids are sponges.

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They learn, that's what they do. And so you know, as

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long as they're reading all the time
and writing, they're going to learn.

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And that's pretty much what they did. They just read all the time and

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they wrote a lot, and and
then you know, like like I said,

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when they got into the traditional classroom
in high school, they were just

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they flourished. That's so awesome to
hear, and I really champion homeschool and

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in retrospect, I wish I would
have done it with my older daughter because

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our younger one now obviously at that
point we haven't had we didn't have the

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homestead, but learning life skills,
you know, with growing food and raising

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chickens in addition to like you said, just challenging her, I would say

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that most people, even at the
high school level, couldn't write cursive,

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couldn't read cursive, or most of
the children for the last decade haven't even

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hasn't even used a pencil. Everything
has been like tablet based, which I

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do think is cheating the children.
And if you know, we ever go

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backwards in technology, and don't say
we can't because it happened with NASA,

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right, you know, these are
the important things that it may sound old

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school and boomerash to a lot of
people, but I think learning these things

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going back to just a few years
ago, somebody took a test and gave

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it to I think there were sophomores
a test that was given to tenth graders

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back in the eighteen eighties or eighteen
nineties, and very few past it.

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It was like ten percent. I
think, you know, reading, writing,

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and arithmetic, those three bay supremises, and I mean writing not not

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spelling on a tablet is very important. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's

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interesting. Um I have my own
business now, I'll talk about that later,

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but um I have interaction with a
lot of people, you know,

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and I find that with the with
the people, the clients that are ten

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to fifteen years younger than myself.
As I'm texting or emailing, it's incredible

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to me how bad the spelling and
grammar is. Um. I mean,

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and I'm not a genius by any
means with that, but I feel like

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I did have I came on the
tail end of the you know where that

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was still taught in school, So
it's just kind of surprising to me.

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Yeah. No, I think texting
on the cell phone has has bled in

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to education. It's I've noticed that
is why. And again I'm not a

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genius as well. I'm just just
a guy. But I've noticed very much

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in emails with folks that I do
think the text culture has bled into just

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basic English. Yeah, yeah,
definitely. So you want me to just

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kind of roll on, So absolutely, we go ahead and run with it.

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Okay. So I really appreciate your
podcast. I found it like two

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months ago. Maybe I'm a bad
judge of time, so it could be,

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you know, three months, four
months, but in my mind it's

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been about two months. I've been
kind of binge listening to a lot of

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the different episodes, and I remember
the first couple that I listened to that

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hooked me. You had just regular
people on there, and I was fascinated

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because you don't get to talk to
a lot of people about blad earth.

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I mean, it's it's just so
taboo, and you know, you're reluctant

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to bring it up, and they're
reluctant to bring it up. So sometimes

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you know, you could be talking
with somebody that is a flat earth of

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you never know it because neither one
of you wants to bring it up.

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But um, so I just really
enjoyed hearing the journey of like regular people.

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By what I mean by regular people, just like they're not celebrities,

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they're just like me. They're just
working every day and doing anything. And

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as I listened, I noticed that
there were a lot of similarities to my

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journey, and it was it was
kind of delightful to hear. And so

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then at the end of the episodes, you were like inviting people to come

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on your podcast, and I was
like, man, that is incredible.

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That what a great opportunity. So
as time went on, I listened to

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more episodes and I thought, man, I really want to go on the

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podcast and share my story. Um
and I think I think I do have

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a little bit of something unique,
UM, because I haven't heard a lot

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of people from from my kind of
circles UM interjecting in this, and so

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I come from like a more of
a reformed Baptist position. I know there's

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a lot of a lot of different
Christians UM denominations and people that have come

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on the show, and I just
want to get one, UM, one

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caveat to some people that might be
listening that you know, may may just

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roll our eyes when I when I
started talking about Christianity. UM, I

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do plan on talking about my journey
to blad Earth, and I do think

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that I might have some things that
would be interesting to you to listen to

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just strictly in that genre. UM. But I can't divorce that from UM

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my knowledge of the Bible and my
faith because they're so intertwined. So so

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I'll try to try to be concise, and I guess we'll talk about my

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journey to flat Earth, and then
that will probably lead into other things.

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Yeah, And I just wanted to
remark on one thing is you had mentioned

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early about how difficult it is to
talk to people like locally in your area

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or whether it be family, about
this type of thing. And I will

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tell you that the email I get
the most is exactly that, you know,

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I'm I'm in this location, I
do this, and I just they

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actually say, like, I feel
lonely because you know, I do think

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when when you start to go down, I guess when you get red pilled

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or you wake up whatever the term
you want to use is the worldly things,

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whether it be sports, music,
movies, that kind of goes by

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the wayside, and you do become
a different person, and for many it

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does lead to a closer faith to
God. And but with that being said,

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the most email or the email I
get the most is, you know,

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I don't have anybody to talk to. And I'm glad that this podcast

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kind of worked out because it is
like a family and you get to listen

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to like minded people and obviously we
all have our differences of opinions and backgrounds,

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but that's kind of what the world
is about. So I appreciate you

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bringing that up. Yeah, So
let's see. I think it was in

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two thousand and seventeen I started to
to get into the conspiracy theories a little

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bit. Actually, prior to that, I did delve into like giants,

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the biblical giants and stuff like that. So and I think that kind of

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is along the lines of the you
know, in the conspiracy genre. So

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and that's actually where I got acquainted
with Rob Skiba, because before he was

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involved with the flat earth stuff,
he was actually huge visit churches and do

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presentations giants and even like I saw
one where he talked about like American sites

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that haven't been excavated and like Smithsonian
cover up of things that have been found

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in the United States, and so
that was kind of fascinating, and I

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followed him a little bit through that
journey, and then as I got into

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the flat earth videos and stuff,
I started seeing him pop in as a

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skeptic. And then I actually saw
a few people, like fairly well known

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YouTubers come to that realization and I
saw their journey, So it was really

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interesting. I got in a time
I think it was just after what they

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call like the golden age of flat
Earth on YouTube, like right around twenty

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fifteen from what I understand. But
yeah, my son, so I was

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completely in the matrix. I grew
up in it, and I was completely

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unsuspecting that there was anything else.
So it's it's not like I can't point

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back to anything as a kid and
say, yeah, I was always skeptical

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of this or that. I definitely, I definitely do. I think that

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the cosmology was odd to me.
It was hard for me to understand,

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like how things were so far away
and big and everything. But yeah,

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I didn't really suspect anything. And
I was definitely on board with like NASA

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and matter of fact, so I
was a toolmaker prior to being my own

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business. I was a tool maker
for twenty five years, um and the

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last one of those, see twenty
years ago. I would have been close

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to twenty years ago. I started
working at this engineering firm and they primarily

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made got new work on government projects, and so we contracted for NASA and

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UM I actually made some key components
that are supposedly on the Mars rovers.

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That's a fun fact. Yeah.
So but I was really proud of that.

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You know, I had an award
from NASA, you know, my

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bureau so and of course, you
know, once the rovers were launched and

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everything, you know, they NASA
sent sent back, um you know,

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photos and everything for everybody to GAUCAT
and I was just amazed at the CGI

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images they were sending and everything.
Um, So that's that's all to say

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that I was really I was unsuspecting. I was in the matrix, and

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um, you know, I was
aware of conspiracy theories, but I kind

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of thought they were stupid and not
really worth any time. So, um,

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my son actually said, hey,
Dad, you got to watch this

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video. It's a movie on nine
to eleven, you know, conspiracy theory

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and everything. I was like,
yeah, I guess I had some leisure

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time, so I said, I'll
check it out. So so I think

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we watched together and I was just
blown away. I think the show ended

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and then my mouth was wide open. I couldn't believe it. And so

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that was like my first real exposure
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real, this is like it didn't
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was massive lies involved with that.
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the moon landing, and I never
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as I started to research I think
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Bart Sibrel approaching the astronauts and and
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Bible that you and I watched that
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him, spitting on I'm running away, you know. Just I was amazed.

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want to swear on the Bible or
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very inappropriate and like very suspicious.
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Bart Zabrel and then there's only so
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they're really good ones anyway, So
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everything, and I didn't care all
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a later, for a rainy day
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the moon. But there's also all
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they lie? Why would they do
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Earth videos on YouTube kind of float
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it, and I would literally just
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it. And and then eventually I
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these other conspiracy theories. I just
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it's the weekend or whatever. I'll
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videos, or if he was with
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myself and um. And so I
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saying. And my attitude towards this
whole idea was, Wow, these guys

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have way too much time on their
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they probably don't even have jobs.
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this is just stupid, you know. But I want to see what makes

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them tick, you know. So
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I clicked on was at Eric bay
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say, I want to say this
while I'm here, Um, you had

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a previous guest to talk about like
these guys um being like Jesuits or something

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like that. Right, And like, as a Christian, I'm obviously filtering

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information as I go and I'm trying
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of these conspiracies and have really dug
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Eric Debay's non exception, I mean, he definitely has put out some really

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good content. Not all of it
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don't even think he would say it's
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putting things out there and and it's
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know what, what do we expect
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the Lord. Um, you know, they're not going to be putting out

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purely biblical content and not going to
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and so um, you just kind
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um and see some of the benefits
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done, and I mean, I
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dismissed the other stuff and hope that
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and more. And UM, that's
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like completely dismiss like Mark Sargeant and
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or that. You know, maybe
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spot on and maybe you know,
just like anybody else, they need they

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need a relationship with Jesus. But
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stand with that. So I started
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I think that was the first one
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through my mind before I even clicked
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about the sunrise and sunset? What
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on, guys, it's like elementary
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I'm watching the video, those simple
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with the model it's being presented.
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one hard fast model, but the
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the earth is stationary, and um, you know the sun rises and

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sets due to perspective. I mean
that that really made a lot of sense

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within its own framework. So I
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a circle around, you know,
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started to investigate that more. And
knowing that, you know, the attempts

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to certain navigate north to south you
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I thought that was pretty interesting because
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to circa navigate north to south on
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UM. So anyway, that was
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Okay, I'm a little intrigued,
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wanted to see more like what was
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I just I kept watching, Um
I did I think I watched two hundred

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proofs. I watched all kinds of
M dubay videos and M jarinism and trying

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to think who else m O d
DTV. He was like an early kind

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of pioneer in my journey. Ye, probably David Weiss as well. Right.

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Ivid White said he didn't come into
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I think I was before before him
when I when I got into it,

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it was like twenty seventeen. I
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doing traditional conspiracy videos at that time. He hadn't jumped on flat Earth yet.

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I was in one of the biggest
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a Patricia Steer um, Brian Mullen
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him later. Um. But he's
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right, I think Eric de bay
jarinism Um. There was a couple others

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one that I that was really good. I think he's still out there.

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Is Beyond the Imaginary Curve. It's
a he's a I think he's a Scottish

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guy named Dell. Have you ever
heard of that? Beyond the Imaginary Curve

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doesn't ring about? That's a YouTube
channel on YouTube. Um, and he's

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his accents a little bit difficult to
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little bit of a journey with him
too. Um. I think he was

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more or less than atheist when I
first started watching him, and I've seen

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a little bit of an evolution with
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he'll go to a university and um, like catch people going in or trying

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to talk to like, you know, professors and stuff like that, and

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he's really trying to He's really into
the scientific element of it. Yeah.

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I'm looking at his channel now,
looks like he does a lot of experiments.

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he just started doing that. I

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think when I was watching him,
he was doing a lot of street stuff.

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Um, some of some of them
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So um, I think I remained
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or I think it took me about
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where I was like ready to say, uh, I'm a flat Earth you

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know, I think. But the
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months before I admitted it to myself, But I just I think it was

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safer to say, like, I'm
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I'm still you know, researching,
and sure so, but eventually I get

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to the point where and I think
what it was for me is like I

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matched up the Biblical testimony with natural
revelation, natural revelation being what we experience

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in the real world every day,
and it was just a no brainer to

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me. I became hard to believe
that we were on the spinning ball hurling

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through space. So and that's where
I'm at right now. I just it's

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so clear to me that that we're
not moving, that we live on a

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flat stationary you know, geocentric or
just as the Bible says. And yes,

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somebody I can't remember, it's one
of the last ones that I listened

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to a couple of podcasts to go. Somebody said that it's not necessarily clear

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in the Bible that we live on
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geocentric. I remember a couple of
there was like one scripture in Revelation it

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talks about I think it was when
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thrown into the abyss or whatever,
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They said, let let us go
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or something like that, the breath
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think it's even the Greek words like
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which comes from plane. So I
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and there's there's definitely things that can
be pointed to biblically speaking. But so

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yeah, so um, I guess
that's pretty much the last thing I'd say

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about the flatter journey for me before
I actually admitted it to myself was I

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think I watched Brian Mullens series called
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his series starts out, he is
more or less pleading with people to like

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tell him where he's gone wrong,
and you know, he he just he

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wants to know the truth, and
he's kind of disturbed at what he's finding,

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and so like he talks about how
into space that he was, and

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you know, he said, I
just watched Interstellar and it was unbelievable,

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and you know this and that,
and then he said that trying to think.

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I don't know how he was introduced
to as somebody told him it was

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flat or whatever. So he I
think he lived in Florida somewhere, and

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he grabbed some optical equipment, went
to a local beach, and he said

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that based on the miles across to
the to the next beach, it should

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have been completely hidden physically by the
water. And he said he did some

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quick calculations and sure enough, he
could see the entire beach, and that

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really made him understand that it's different
scenario than he thought. Yeah, I

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enjoy watching him. Is he still
doing his thing or is he kind of

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backed off? Because I haven't.
I don't because I've subscribed to him.

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I'm not sure I remember seeing any
videos lately. Well, the I'm not

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sure if he's anywhere else on the
internet. He used to be on YouTube

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and Facebook and all this stuff,
and I don't believe that he even has

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a YouTube channel anymore. I think
the videos that you watch on YouTube are

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recording that's right there, like on
the flat Earth, Sun, Moon and

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Zodiac camp. They're on other people's
Oh I'm seeing it now. Yeah,

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Well, the rumor. I was
actually concerned about him because he just disappeared,

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like for a while he was literally
going gangbusters. I mean, he

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did the balls out physics and then
he was on Patricious Sierra had a show

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called Flat Earth and Other Hot Potatoes
was pretty popular at the time, and

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he was on that show. He
was heavily involved in a documentary called Scientism.

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You ever heard of that? Yes, I have, yep. Okay,

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so yeah, he was involved in
that, and then he vanished and

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somebody said, I think I was
reading in a comment thread, I guess

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his job was threatened and he had
just I know, he just got married

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towards the end of the YouTube thing. He got married and they were having

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a child and everything, and I'm
pretty sure he didn't want to destroy his

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career at that point. So,
yeah, you know you mentioned that.

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I think I do recall either somebody
in an email or in a conversation offline,

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mentioning exactly that whereever he worked,
they were like, you need to

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step away from this because you're making
whatever where he worked looked bad. So

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I think there's something too that I
do recall someone mentioning that. Yeah.

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So yeah, so you kind of
live in a free country. But which

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leads me to my next topic,
or one of the next topics. I

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do want to interject into a couple
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verse you were talking about, I
believe was Revelation twenty verse nine that says,

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and they went up on the breadth
of the earth and compassed the camp

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of the saints about and the beloved
city, and fire came down from God

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out of heaven and devoured them.
Yeah, okay, yeah, the breath,

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I think the breath that word if
you investigate that in the Greek,

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I think that is like platanos or
something like that. I don't know Greek,

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so yet, definitely look at strong
exhaustion concordans whenever I whenever I need

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to get the Greek or Hebrew meaning. There you go, and apparently there

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is some connection to like solemn It's
temple as well, that word in Greek.

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Yeah, you go back to first
Kings. Yeah, and as far

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as Rob Skiba and but I already
have that link to put in the show

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description. You know, the most
popular video he ever did was actually about

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the Nephelum and how they've returned after
the flood. That that video alone has

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like four million views, So he
discusses a lot more than just the flat

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earth. So I if the people
listening haven't seen a lot of his videos,

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I have the video's link popular on
down definitely check some of those out.

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They're very, very intriguing. Yeah, I agree, And I,

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like I said, I kind of
witnessed his journey, and I know he's

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born again Christian too, so I
was really ravitated toward him as he first

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started stepping in, just to see
how he would react and how he would

410
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deal with some of the the things
within the flat earth community. So um.

411
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And then I also watched I don't
know if you've ever heard a wholen

412
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Benjamin, but I remember watching him. He was supposed to state character something

413
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and he was really belligerent and and
like literally just drinking um on the show

414
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and and cussing all the time.
And and then I watched him sort of

415
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:31.039
slowly evolved and become frustrated that he
was becoming a flat Earth. Yeah.

416
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I remember watching that video where he
basically has a melt down and can't believe

417
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that because that's a big deal.
It is because I went through the same

418
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thing. It's like, if they're
lying about this, my goodness, then

419
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everything else has to be a lie. And that kind of really you know,

420
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:51.679
RV Truth always talks about being a
baby truther or if you believe all

421
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the other conspiracy conspiracies, except for
flat Earth. That's the mother of all

422
00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:01.679
conspiracies, because it really is one
of the biggest weapons they use against us

423
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is to hide God in his creation. I believe, yeah, absolutely,

424
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Um, you know, I was
going to mention two that you know,

425
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anytime that I've gotten into a conversation
about flat Earth, you know, it

426
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always especially with people that you have
to be discerning obviously, but when people

427
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are intrigued and they you can tell
they're listening to what you're saying, and

428
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.719
they're it's resonating with them, like, yeah, that's really interesting, you

429
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:38.519
know. Um, it's not long
before when before they basically raise the objection

430
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:44.199
that, well, how could this
be so ubiquitous, how could this lie

431
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.199
you know, be so big,
And there's like everybody would have to be

432
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:55.320
in on it, and and so
it always goes there. Um it's never

433
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like it's never about the evidence,
it's never about the biblical testimony. It's

434
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:05.280
always about no, it's just too
big of a lie. I can't believe

435
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:09.760
it, you know. And it's
like, of course, you know,

436
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.159
I would explain compartmentalized you know,
compartmentalized station or whatever, where you have

437
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:21.079
people that have jobs to do,
and they don't necessarily know the big picture,

438
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.960
Like every engineer doesn't need to know
that we're not actually going to space

439
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:34.079
because the math works. You can
have math work with a false premise or

440
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:42.679
a false axiom. You know,
it all can work. Sou Where was

441
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:51.840
I going with that? So?
Yeah, So anyway, I always say,

442
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I think if conspiracies we're moving towards
an end of like say, wealth

443
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or power, then I kind of
agree that the lies or they don't really

444
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.599
make a whole lot of sense.
It has to be more than that,

445
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:22.360
because why would anybody these lives go
generationally? So why would anybody be involved

446
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.000
in a lie that they wouldn't benefit
from? You know what I mean?

447
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.119
If you were involved in a conspiracy, if you're an evil person and you

448
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.119
just wanted money and power, then
I'd say you'd want to be wealthy by

449
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.440
the time you were at least like
forty, you know, or fifty.

450
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It's yes, whole life trying to
trying to you know, lie to lie

451
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.400
to people and get wealthy, and
then what achieved it when you're fifty or

452
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.760
sixty? And then I know,
it doesn't really make a whole lot of

453
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:59.800
sense to me. And then some
people that are involved in like the Secrets

454
00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:04.239
is societies and them you know,
or illuminati, whatever you want to call

455
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.440
it, that are involved in these
big lies, actually get sacrificed along the

456
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:13.760
way, you know. So it's
like it's definitely more than it's more than

457
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wealth and power, because it doesn't
make sense that that people would pursue that

458
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if they wouldn't if they weren't able
to realize that in this lifetime. There's

459
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.800
definitely a spiritual element to it.
So that's why I say it's satanic.

460
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:37.199
There's more to it. Um.
The fact that's generational. I think somebody

461
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:47.000
on your show said once that they
think that, you know that the people

462
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:53.280
within the secret societies are kind of
like working toward goals in each generation.

463
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It's almost like they have tasks to
complete and um. And then you know,

464
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.480
then the next generation has their set
of tasks, and it's like all

465
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:10.360
this this web of lies from like
you said, the foundational lie, which

466
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.760
is the lie of the cosmological eye, that kind of leads to all the

467
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:22.920
other ones. Um. And so
I think one first that gives a lot

468
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.280
of credence to that to why why
the lie? Why the cosmological eye?

469
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.880
Is Roman. They're gonna go there
and just read that if you don't mind

470
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:38.280
not Romance chep My favorite verse actually, and it was even before I knew

471
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:49.760
about blad Earth right. Find it
here. So it says and Romans one

472
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.360
twenty for since the creation of the
world, his invisible attributes are clearly seen

473
00:41:54.719 --> 00:42:00.199
being understood by the things that are
made, even his eternal power and God,

474
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so that they were without excuse.
So that's powerful. Yeah, I

475
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:15.480
think that if if it's if we
just understand what the Bible is telling us,

476
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then we would know that the natural
revelation is a revelation given such that

477
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.800
men are without excuse of you know, based on the things that are made,

478
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:39.360
we can understand the God of the
Bible. And so it frustrates me

479
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:44.599
a little bit when I hear people
debating atheists and whatnot and they give up

480
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:52.360
that high ground and they they kind
of start with no God and they try

481
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.079
to work up to Okay, now
there's a God and then blah blah blah,

482
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and it's like the Bible tells us
that everybody knows a matter of fact,

483
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:07.000
let's see. Yeah, yeah,
if you go back, just back

484
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.920
up to verse eighteen, says,
for the wrath of God is revealed from

485
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Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of
men who suppressed the truth and unrighteousness,

486
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:21.559
because what may be known of God
is manifest in them, for God has

487
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:28.199
shown it to them. So this
is where I kind of want to kind

488
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:34.639
of go off the flat earth trail
a little bit, because it does really

489
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mingle. Obviously, I think a
characteristic of a Christian is they love the

490
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:46.920
truth. That is something that we
should have in common, all of us

491
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:53.119
as Christians. And so is it
important. Absolutely. It just read in

492
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Romans one twenty that the things that
are made they testify of the God of

493
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.639
the Bible. Doesn't mean they testify
of the God of Islam or the God

494
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:08.159
of you know, Hindu or whoever. It's it's like it's such that we

495
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are without excuse. I mean,
so if we just believe what the Bible

496
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:19.280
says, that's the whole premise behind. I also got to being a reformed

497
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:25.599
person. I really got into what
they call presuppositional apologetics and what that is

498
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.880
is like, basically, as Christians, based on this verse and other things,

499
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.719
the Bible says, where to presuppose
the God of the Bible. That's

500
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the axiom by which we can know
all things. You know, if you

501
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:52.519
give that up, you undermine all
absolute knowledge, so and the other.

502
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:57.480
And you you know, you're you're
also denying the fact that the person that

503
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:01.639
you're talking to knows, because,
like I said, in verse eighteen,

504
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:06.119
it says they suppress the truth.
Why did they suppress the truth? They

505
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:12.800
suppress it in unrighteousness, That's what
the Bible says. So just knowing that

506
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up front, you know, it's
it gives you kind of like a starting

507
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:29.079
point. And and I think one
thing that's been clear to me through my

508
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:34.639
flat Earth journey. I thought,
as I admitted to myself, yeah,

509
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.000
I think the earth is flat.
It's stationary, it's geocentric. And I

510
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:44.079
was like, there's no way if
somebody understands this that they would deny God.

511
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:50.920
There's no way, right, And
but you know, again, what

512
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.599
does the Bible say of the unbeliever
there they're enmity with God, they're slaves

513
00:45:54.599 --> 00:46:00.199
to sin, they're dead and their
trespassed and sin Phesians chapter two. And

514
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:07.880
so one thing I found out as
I started going down that journey is regardless.

515
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.800
So it's not a knowledge problem that
we have human beings. It's not

516
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.960
that we just don't know enough,
but we don't understand, you know,

517
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:21.480
the nature of the earth enough.
It's like we're so rebellious and we suppress

518
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:29.239
the truth so voraciously that even when
we find out that we live in a

519
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:35.599
terrarium, we still deny God.
Yeah, it's incredible to me that the

520
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:40.400
depths of evil and the human heart
and so I mean, don't you think

521
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:50.320
that's wicked that we could know that
and still deny our creator? Yeah,

522
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:54.360
that's an understatement. But again,
knowledge is power. And I get so

523
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:59.800
many emails because some people will say, well, why is flatterth so important?

524
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.239
Where it's flat or around, We're
still going to go about our day.

525
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.400
I still got to wake up and
go to work. And you know,

526
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.760
I tell people that question is loaded. There's more than one answer to

527
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:15.039
that. Number one, as an
American taxpayer, you should be livid that

528
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.199
a certain agency is getting billions of
dollars a year to lie to you.

529
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:25.679
But I mean, that's nothing compared
to eternity. And again, when you

530
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.519
realize that this place was created especially
for us, and that you're not an

531
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:36.880
accident. Your forefathers didn't crawl up
out of the water and evolve into an

532
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:40.400
ape and eventually into a human that
you were you know, chosen to be

533
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.519
here at this particular time, which
I tell people that you should be humbled

534
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.800
and grateful that God shows you to
be here now because these look nobody knows

535
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.960
when the end times are, but
these are certainly troubled times, and these

536
00:47:54.000 --> 00:48:00.320
are the times when great men and
men who red men and women represent God

537
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.840
are to stand up and fight this
evil that is you know, when I

538
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.800
grew up in the eighties, obviously
there was some evil. We just didn't

539
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.400
see it, um right for what
it was. But now they don't even

540
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:13.920
hide it anymore. Just look at
what's going on in the last three years.

541
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.719
So UM, it is very important. Yeah, no, I agree,

542
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:22.840
And I think, you know,
going back to natural revelation, I

543
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:30.400
think when I think it's important just
for that um, that natural revelation to

544
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:35.320
be maybe it's the only revelation that
you will have. You know. It's

545
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:42.719
like some people they they don't have
um the Bible in their life for whatever

546
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:49.559
reason it um, but they but
they do have natural revelation. Everybody has

547
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:55.280
that. So it's definitely important.
And you know, I find it interesting

548
00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:06.360
too that that as as people um
get into or live in in the lies,

549
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:13.000
as they kind of further and further
immerse themselves and into lies. UM.

550
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.199
I think I was reading in Second
Tassalonians, God will actually give you

551
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:20.599
over strong delusions so that you believe
it more. You know, it's like

552
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.039
you can have what you want.
That's that's like the beginning of God's wrath.

553
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:30.920
You know, this place to be
to be given over. And UM,

554
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.559
you know, there's there's been a
lot of talk to about UM.

555
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.480
I think I think I even heard
you say like Satan owns the world or

556
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.199
something like that. I don't know
if I'm accurately quoting you, Like,

557
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:50.800
UM, I know that there's something
to him like offering Jesus the kingdoms of

558
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:57.159
the world. I went through.
Um, I've got like twenty verses here

559
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:01.519
right now, UM that talk about
uh, the earth being the Lord's and

560
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:06.559
that's again part of the reform tradition. I'm not sure if you're aware of

561
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.639
what you know. It's like,
yeah, it's you, it's nothing new.

562
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.320
You guys are just going back to
its roots basically. I mean,

563
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:19.280
would you consider it going back to
Reformation itself sort of yeah. I mean,

564
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:27.480
I guess in terms of the sovereignty
of God um in salvation and um

565
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:32.280
basically over overall things. Like I
would say that, um, just look

566
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:37.280
at look at Job. For example, the example of Job, UM,

567
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:45.440
where you have Satan approaching God and
basically basically asking permission to afflict Job.

568
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:51.840
And God has the power in that
case to either yay or nay. And

569
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:52.880
it's like, yeah, you can, you can afflict him, but you

570
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:58.119
can't do this and you can't do
that. Um. And then if you

571
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.440
look at you know, some of
Job's actions to what was happening, what

572
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:06.119
he said, Uh, you know, the Lord giveth and Lord taketh away.

573
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.679
Blessed be the name of the Lord. You know, it's like he's

574
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:13.800
God, you know. UM.
So I think it just comes to a

575
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:19.360
proper, proper perspective of who God
is and who we are, where we

576
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.800
stand in the in the grand scheme
of things. Yea. And like just

577
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:30.280
for example, let's see there's,
uh, there's a couple of verses written

578
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:39.559
down here. Uh, of course
I'm the one while you're looking for that,

579
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:44.239
the one a Job, which again
this is the God's creation. But

580
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:46.639
uh, people need to know Satan
is active, and he is here.

581
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:51.599
He's well, he's here, like
you said, job too too. It

582
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:53.559
says, where have you come from? The Lord asked Satan, and Satan

583
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:58.840
answered the Lord, I've been patrolling
the earth watching everything that's going on.

584
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:04.519
So he is literally here. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I just um,

585
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:12.679
you know, like I guess,
I fit Satan's ability within the framework

586
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:17.480
of God's sovereignty. So another um, you know, he's able to do

587
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:24.320
what what God allows him to do. But it's working towards um, like

588
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:30.320
a culmination, and everything's going to
work toward the glory of God, whether

589
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:37.519
it's mercy or wrath. So you
know where Satan does have certain goals and

590
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:45.239
powers and whatever, Um, they're
submissive powers. I think I heard a

591
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.679
Baptist preachers say there is a devil, but as God's devil um, and

592
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:54.440
so like them. It's funny I
wrote these verses down, but I um

593
00:52:54.679 --> 00:53:00.360
winds like the earth is the Lord
and everything in it. Um, the

594
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:06.840
earth is the Lord's and everything in
it is one I wrote down. Um.

595
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:15.239
They most most of the stuff that
I wrote down, UM, I

596
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:20.079
had to do with like the preservation
of God's word, um, the preservation

597
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.760
of the church, A lot of
people talk about the churches though it needs

598
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.239
to be restored, and it's like
not, not really. I mean,

599
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:31.519
there's always been wheat and chaff.
Um, you know, within the scope

600
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of God's people. Um, and
you know the harvest at the at the

601
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:44.960
harvest that there will be a separation
there. But um, just because there's

602
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.599
wheat among the chaff, doesn't chaff
among wheat doesn't mean that there's not a

603
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.360
spotless pride in there. Um.
That's a great analogy, by the way,

604
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:57.079
that's a great phrase. Yeah,
and there really, there really is.

605
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:07.239
I mean I think that that comes
right from for Peter. So yeah,

606
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:09.159
so like it's the church is the
bride of Christ. And I don't

607
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:13.880
know, like it's it's not something
that you think about. What he said

608
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:15.599
to Peter. He's like, upon
this work, I will build my church.

609
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:19.360
So he's like, what do you
say, I will build? So

610
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:23.320
Jesus is building my church. His
church you know, in the gates of

611
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:28.800
hell will not prevail. So it's
not something that needs to restore. The

612
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:37.039
churches is God's bride and will serve
its purpose. Same thing with God's word.

613
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:43.639
I mean, there's so many there's
so many verses that talk about his

614
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:47.320
word enduring forever. Um. So
it's like forever a Lord, your word

615
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:52.679
is firmly fixed in the heavens.
M. John won One in the beginning

616
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:54.199
was the Word, and the word
was with God, and the word was

617
00:54:54.280 --> 00:55:00.159
God. I mean literally, Jesus
became flesh and dwelled among us. Jesus

618
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.920
is the Word in bodily form.
He's the Word of God. And so

619
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:09.920
like everything that we have in scripture
is embodied in Him and the New in

620
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:17.280
the New Testament especially, but also
in the Old Hebrews, chapter one,

621
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:23.599
verse one. But yeah, so, like I think what I'm going here

622
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:28.760
is there's a lot of um talk
in the in the flatter of community,

623
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:36.480
also in the conspiracy genre in general, about those things being almost mingled with

624
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:42.840
the conspiracies. And it bothers me
because it kind of confounds the truth.

625
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:49.880
And I just look at it as
the Bible is the only thing, because

626
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.880
the Word of God is fixed,
right, It's the only thing that we

627
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:58.760
can count on. And as you
found these conspiracy roads and you realize that

628
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:04.679
they're that almost everything that we know
or new to be true is mingled with

629
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:15.400
lies, you have this morsel of
truth that you can always count on um,

630
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:21.679
And I mean there's something to it
with when you look at flat earth

631
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:25.719
cosmology. I mean, think about
it. The Bible has been telling us

632
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:31.280
the entire time. You know,
it's been clear. We just kind of

633
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:38.599
wrote it off as poetry or something. Have you had that. Are you

634
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:43.760
still you said you were still attending
a church. Yeah, yeah we are.

635
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.360
Is this a subject that you've broached
with a fellow, you know,

636
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:51.800
folks in your congregation or your pastor. Yeah, I've talked with a couple

637
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:58.079
of guys. Like I said,
I'm pretty discerning about who I talked to

638
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:07.519
because you know, we all have
jobs and lives to it can become complicated.

639
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:14.199
Um. But yes, I have
people that I have UM confided in.

640
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:19.360
One one actually, pastor of my
friend of mine, did not receive

641
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:21.639
it. Well. I thought he
was going to be a little bit better

642
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:28.880
about it. But funny we were
able to just kind of forget about it

643
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:35.199
and pretend we never talked about it. Um. And then and then another

644
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:40.599
pastor friend of mine definitely didn't write
it off and he thought it was intriguing,

645
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.320
UM. But I think he didn't
think it was all that important,

646
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:52.239
um, which kind of think surprises
being sometimes. You know, when you

647
00:57:52.280 --> 00:58:00.039
think about like when you in the
Christian from the christ Christian perspective, you

648
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:04.800
have a verse that says that God, the God of the Bible, is

649
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.679
understood by the things that are made. I mean that's pretty important, you

650
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:14.800
know, if the things that are
made are being obscured. There's there's no

651
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:21.039
gray area with that verse whatsoever.
Yeah, I mean there is definitely from

652
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:25.280
again. From the reform perspective,
it's like, um, unless a person

653
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.840
is raised from the dead, you
know, in a physical sense, when

654
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.559
you think about jesus resurrection, when
he when he rose Lazarus from the dead,

655
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:37.320
what do you do? He called
Lazarus from the tomb after four days

656
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:40.639
he said, Lazarus come forth.
Um. And so you know, when

657
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.119
you think of it in terms of
that or even being born again is like

658
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:52.840
into being physically born. Um.
There's a lot of things that that are

659
00:58:52.960 --> 00:59:00.639
somewhat involuntary that it likens our faith
too, like being born, dying,

660
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:09.800
and being raised from the dead.
So it stands to reason that it's not

661
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:16.000
a piece of knowledge that we're missing, it's actually that spark of life and

662
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:21.360
our soul that's missing. And you
know, Paul said, for I'm not

663
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:24.559
ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Where is the power, under the

664
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:30.960
power of God, under salvation for
everyone who believes. And so it's like,

665
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:36.360
what's missing is the Gospel. It's
not flatter Earth, it's not nine

666
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:44.800
to eleven and other other things.
Unbelievers have recognized inconsistencies and recognize some of

667
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.559
the lies, and they try to
make sense to them, but they can't

668
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:52.400
because they're working outside the framework of
the act, the absolute truth, which

669
00:59:52.440 --> 01:00:00.440
is Scripture. And I think when
you're outside of Scripture, it's almost like

670
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:05.280
an insatiable desire to keep learning more
and more about this stuff, like the

671
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:07.880
lies and the things that are going
on. Um, you want to get

672
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.800
deeper in there and just find the
truth. And I think there's like a

673
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:17.800
subconscious effort to find, you know, the truth of God. But there's

674
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:22.800
also that suppression that exists in the
flesh because we don't want our deeds to

675
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:28.760
be exposed. We don't we don't
want to go from the darkness into the

676
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:32.840
light and be exposed as humans,
So something supernatural has to happen. I

677
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.920
think that it's a great really a
great segue into the Gospel. It's like

678
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:43.280
as as human beings. That's the
position that we're in. We stand before

679
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:47.239
God guilty right as sinners, and
we're blinded. We're in the dark.

680
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:52.039
We love our sin, and so
that's our problem, and there's no way

681
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:57.599
that a righteous and holy God is
going to overlook that. Otherwise he's not

682
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:04.599
righteous and holy. So you know, let justice be served. Right.

683
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:12.440
It's either it's either you pay the
penalty on your own head or you accept

684
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:16.400
what Christ did on the cross and
that he paid. He paid the penalty

685
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:22.599
for that sin. So when when
you believe in that, it's accounted to

686
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:28.639
you for righteousness. That's the legal
transaction that takes place. There's a death

687
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:36.559
that you owe as a sinner,
and Jesus paid the penalty, and when

688
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:43.000
you put your faith in Christ,
you become justified. It's like his righteousness

689
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:46.320
is imputed to you and your sin
was imputed to him. It's paid for

690
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:52.159
he rose from the dead, conquering
death obviously. So that's the gospel of

691
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:57.719
Jesus Christ. That's what people are
missing. It's not some extra knowledge somewhere

692
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.800
that it will make all of that
other make more sense for sure, But

693
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:12.440
until that happens internally, you know, I no matter what kind of knowledge

694
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.960
you get outside of that, it's
it's almost it's almost more incriminating the more

695
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.880
you know, right, don't you
think? Indeed, And one of the

696
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:25.519
several great points you made today is
I always say, when something goes down,

697
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:29.599
no matter what type of event,
like Oklahoma City nine to eleven,

698
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:31.440
when I get emails, what do
you think? What do you think?

699
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:35.119
You always have to ask, Well, who benefits? That should be the

700
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:40.239
first question you'll always ask. And
what you astutely said today is these people

701
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.960
who are involved in these things,
they are already generationally rich, you know

702
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.760
when we're talking about the Rothschilds and
the DuPont So there is certainly more to

703
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:53.480
it than just money and just power
and people. You know, I've done

704
01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:58.159
episodes on Larry Silverstein. He made
you know, Lucky Larry. He made

705
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:00.840
four and a half billion dollars off
the Hurreance. But at the end of

706
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.280
the day, Um, these things
are it's about evil, It's about luring

707
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:09.480
people away, um from God.
And it's what really, at the end

708
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:14.079
of the day, what I've learned
about the conspiracy world these events, Um,

709
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:16.039
when when they splash these on the
TV screens, and on the internet.

710
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:22.280
They want people to rely on man, to look to man for answers

711
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.079
instead of God and psalms. I
think it's one of eighteen eighth that says,

712
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:29.000
you know, don't look upon man
for help, look look to God.

713
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.800
And that's going back over the last
three years. You know, everybody

714
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:35.880
look to man, you know,
please help us and save us from this

715
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:40.719
this deathly disease instead of you know, looking to God. Right now,

716
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:46.639
what do you think about the I
don't watch the news anymore, but some

717
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:53.000
things are hard to not see,
like the bud light saga. Yeah,

718
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:58.599
and it's like, you know,
everybody around me and even people that know

719
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.639
what I'm all about, you know, the flat earth and stuff. UM,

720
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:06.239
people in my immediate family. Well
that's not how I haven't talked about

721
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:14.039
my family yet as far as like
how they reacted to my becoming platter part

722
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:17.679
of the platter of community. But
you know, they'll say, oh,

723
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:21.920
can you believe that they just committed
suicide as a you know, a company,

724
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:27.719
And I'm like, you really think
that that they were unaware? Do

725
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:31.000
you really think that? Um?
You know, the higher ups that have

726
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:39.199
spent their lives studying marketing and UM, and advertising that they weren't aware that

727
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:42.039
this was going to affect their company
the way it is. They don't need

728
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:46.679
money. You know, this was
all done in a grand scheme. They're

729
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:51.480
part of a bigger thing. This
isn't a legitimate you know, you know,

730
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:57.920
business suicide. You know, that's
the way I think about a lot

731
01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:00.159
of a lot of this stuff and
just just trave actions and things to like

732
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:06.519
desensitize us. And they'll they'll throw
anything at us that will divide us,

733
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:11.199
and they'll they'll laugh at us.
They'll put it out there, and everybody

734
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:14.920
wants to pick a team, right, Um, the one side'll say screw

735
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:16.840
bud Light, and the other side
will say, hey, they champion the

736
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:21.400
LBGT element of p community. And
then the folks on the right will say,

737
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:26.800
ha ha, look at bud Light
sales. They're they're just completely collapse.

738
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:30.199
And and then the news announces that
MODELO is the new King of Beers

739
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:34.280
and they're both owned by InBev.
So the money just kept going to the

740
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:41.000
same person, just a different different
avenue. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I

741
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:46.599
just everything there is really a world
stage and they're just players, and it's

742
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:49.719
hard to keep it straight. Sometimes
yea, indeed it is, but it's

743
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:54.760
always it goes back to divide and
conquer, whether it be politics or sports.

744
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:58.719
And now with the Internet and they're
able to control us, they just

745
01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:00.920
float these things out here a couple
of days and everybody picks a team and

746
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:06.519
argues, and it's it's the same
old bread and circus. Yeah. I

747
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:13.440
mean, that's one thing that um, I think you're spot on with is

748
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:18.239
the divide and conquer. I find
that that they do that all the time.

749
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:23.920
If there's nothing to argue about,
they that something will come up.

750
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:28.760
I mean, even COVID was UM, I mean that that I almost lost

751
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.480
my job over over not taking the
vaccine. That you know, I worked

752
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:35.360
for a company, a really large
company, a world leader and a product

753
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:42.400
um and you know, as a
toolmaker, and I'm pretty you know,

754
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:47.559
I was lead, a lead person
and and I wasn't wasn't going to bout

755
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:53.800
the knee, and they were getting
close to the government mandate and they were

756
01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.159
not backing down. They said,
you know, we're going to comply.

757
01:06:56.360 --> 01:07:01.639
And um, of course I could
have applied for just exemption. But even

758
01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:06.000
those if you look at the way
they're written, they're very temporary. You

759
01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:10.280
know, they right to come back
at a later day and say no,

760
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:15.280
you're doing it, You're gone.
My brother, my brother almost lost his

761
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.760
job too. He had to actually
file a religious exemption. But I think

762
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:27.760
it was at that point. It
was December, and I think the Supreme

763
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:34.400
Court ruling was going to be announced
or whatever in January. Uh not.

764
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:39.840
Yeah, it was like, what
was it last year? No, last

765
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.519
year? I think it must care
last year, twenty twenty two. I

766
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:46.679
think you're right. So yeah,
and then um, and so I remember

767
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:55.880
just kind of having to have these
conversations with my wife and she's like,

768
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.159
you know what, you just got
to do what's right and trust trusting God.

769
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:04.079
He's always provide it. And really
she's she's my she's my better half

770
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:10.599
for sure. Um. Gave me
a lot of confidence. And UM,

771
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:15.399
I honestly wish I was more bold
and you know, stopped wearing the mask

772
01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:18.399
and you know that. But I
just figured, you know what, I'll

773
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:23.680
do the mask, but I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna take the vaccine no

774
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:28.000
matter what, just because I don't
want to. And nobody's gonna make me

775
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:32.720
put a shot in my arm.
So um, yeah, and I feel

776
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:39.560
like that whole thing targeted churches,
and I paid attention to the CDC numbers,

777
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:45.279
and um, in my mind,
the risk was highly inflated. The

778
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:51.680
risk of COVID was highly inflated,
and but you know, and I think

779
01:08:51.720 --> 01:09:00.720
the risk of the vaccine was was
highly marginalized. So I just made a

780
01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:04.880
decision. And I also kind of
I've done a little bit of research into

781
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:10.439
the whole pharma keya thing, and
I wasn't crazy about I'm not crazy about

782
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:15.880
that whole aspect of the drugs,
and just you know what, that's my

783
01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:24.319
decision and that's where I'm gonna stand. So at that point, when I,

784
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:28.800
of course the ruling came out and
said we didn't have to be take

785
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:31.119
the vaccine, that bought me some
more time and I thought, you know,

786
01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:35.640
I'm not going to go through this
again. Then I'm gonna find my

787
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:42.760
exit strategy now. And so I
know we don't have enough time on the

788
01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:46.000
show to explain this, but I
ended up going into business for myself.

789
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:53.479
And I could have done this like
I could have done this ten years ago.

790
01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:57.239
I had the ability, I just
didn't have the courage. I didn't

791
01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:02.399
have the mindset, you know,
I was doing what was safe and taking

792
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:11.199
care of my family. Um.
But like I said, the way that

793
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.840
this all came about was God driven. I mean, he brought the opportunity

794
01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:19.239
and the thing that pushed me over
the edge to get me out there on

795
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:26.159
my own. And I've got so
much work now. I've got months ahead.

796
01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:32.239
I've scheduling work for next year.
I just structural work on residential homes.

797
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:41.800
And there's a lot of very old
houses in New England stone foundations,

798
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:45.920
stamp or frame struggle. So um, that's what I'm working on. And

799
01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:49.000
like I said, I could have. I could have been doing this all

800
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:56.039
along, but never had the had
the courage. But you know, if

801
01:10:56.039 --> 01:11:02.439
you look at a practical change from
when I and I acknowledged okay, you

802
01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:08.479
know what the earth is black,
it's just as God told as it is.

803
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:14.319
And you know, everything else seems
to be riddled with lies. But

804
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:18.159
I'm standing firm on God's word and
relying on God's leading in my life.

805
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:27.720
And He literally brought this along and
we're doing better than we ever have and

806
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.039
praise God. I mean, I
can't even tell you all the blessings.

807
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:38.279
Well, you know, I think
God rewarded you for standing tall on your

808
01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:42.079
convictions, and I've heard more positive
stories. And again, I'm not out

809
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.000
here to bash people who were in
a position where they had to get the

810
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:47.720
vaccine. I think that was evil
to begin with with the way the government,

811
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:51.560
again, an entity who was supposed
to be championing freedom of choice,

812
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:57.840
turned around and attack the people.
And the President said, you know,

813
01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:00.119
back in November of twenty twenty one, that if we didn't take the jab,

814
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:02.600
we were looking at a winner of
death. I mean, when when

815
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.319
that phrase came out, I'm like, I'm done, I'm out of here.

816
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:12.119
That that was like the most divisive
sentence ever uttered by by anybody an

817
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.199
elected position. I don't care who
it is. We want to, you

818
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:19.439
know, either take our experimental jab
or you're gonna die. On top of

819
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:25.119
a year where families were literally divided
down the middle, and h you know,

820
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:30.000
I get emails talking about how their
grandparents and parents wouldn't let them visit

821
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:35.079
because they didn't have the vaccine.
It was just so divisive and so evil.

822
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:39.920
But I also want to warn people, and you know, for all

823
01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:45.560
of us that that got by that
little drama without taking the vaccine, the

824
01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:49.439
worst isn't over yet. I still
believe. And again this is all conjecture

825
01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:55.279
and hyperbole if you will, But
um, I think the endgame is going

826
01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:58.239
to a digital dollar. They're going
to do away with cash, and you're

827
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:00.920
going to see another type of big
event. And if we don't, you

828
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.239
know, bend our knee to them, they're going to cut off our finances.

829
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:10.079
I think, you know, if
I can encourage people, especially you

830
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:14.920
know, I don't really know how
to talk to I guess as for unbelievers,

831
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:16.119
I would just say, you know, get saved and get with the

832
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:23.279
program here because um, you know, because you know, who do you

833
01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:27.880
have when when this stuff hits the
fan? I mean, you and I

834
01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:31.920
we see God and we know that
God provide. He said He's going to

835
01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:36.840
provide all our needs. And you
know, when I talk to people about

836
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:42.399
like prepping and stuff like that,
I'm I'm not really in that mindset.

837
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.960
It's one thing that actually kind of
bothers me about the whole conspiracy genre is

838
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:54.159
um is how like self focused it
is? Um? The Great Commission is

839
01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:58.720
clear, and where to go and
make disciples of the nations? Um.

840
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.239
You know, Jesus said the Kingdom
is at hand. I really resonated with

841
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:06.439
I think one of your lists,
one of your one of your guests,

842
01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:13.520
I think her name was Michelle in
California. I really resonated with her on

843
01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:17.319
a lot of things that she said
about sort of regarding eschatology. I think

844
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:26.000
a lot of them, like their
rapture of theology and stuff has cultivated an

845
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:30.560
attitude of complacency in Christians because we
feel that, you know, like like

846
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.159
it's a it's an eschatology that says
that the world is going to hell in

847
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:40.600
a hand basket and Jesus is going
to take us out. Whereas you know,

848
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:45.159
when she brought up a couple of
interesting points that and I've been kind

849
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:53.720
of gravitating toward the eschatology that's more
of an eschatology of optimism, that the

850
01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:57.840
Kingdom is a hand like no matter
how bad it looks right now, we

851
01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:01.920
as Christians are supposed to subdue the
world with the Gospel. We're supposed to

852
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:09.520
make disciples of the nations and essentially
conquer the world with the Gospel, not

853
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:15.279
with swords and guns and bullets,
and and so, you know, what's

854
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:20.239
the cure to all of these things
that we've been talking about today, what's

855
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:26.800
the cure is the gospel. It's
the only thing that changes the hearts for

856
01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:41.239
men. So we decided a couple
of years ago to start looking for some

857
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:45.960
land, and you know, we
wanted to kind of be out of the

858
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:49.920
city atmosphere, just like we're kind
of being called away from all that and

859
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:56.800
back to like a more simple way
of living. And we ended up we

860
01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:00.680
looked at several properties, couldn't find
anything, and then God led us to

861
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:04.960
this this place where we're at and
we ended up getting like thirteen acres.

862
01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:10.359
I know, horrible number, but
it's, uh, it's kind of fair.

863
01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:15.000
It's like the I'm kount of land
that we could have to be to

864
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:18.239
get like that tax break of current
use. So you have to have three

865
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:21.439
acres if you're living on and then
and then you have to have tenny.

866
01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:27.720
Sorry, I have a huge Burney's
Mountain dog and she's just flipping out.

867
01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:36.760
Um anyways, So yeah, so
we moved out to the country and we

868
01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:44.000
have about six acres of farm land
that's cleared and uh got some chickens,

869
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:47.960
were raising bees, We have a
huge garden. We had like a little

870
01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:55.279
farm stand last year. That's really
how things have changed for us since since

871
01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:59.760
kind of I'm gonna use the term
coming out of the matrix. Um,

872
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:04.479
A lot of things become more clear
to you, and you started thinking clearly

873
01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:09.239
and realizing, you know, you
got to get you got to get back

874
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:15.359
to some of these skills that have
been lost. And you know, it's

875
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:18.119
it's not going crazy. We're not
building bunkers and storing like loads of food

876
01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:21.479
and water. But we're just doing
what we can do. And I think

877
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:28.640
living the way that you know,
I guess is closer to what God designed

878
01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.479
sort of you know, seat of
sitting in an office all day, seven

879
01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:35.760
days a week. Yeah, that
that's not how we were meant to live

880
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:41.239
and getting stars on your butt.
And I think I've mentioned before for me

881
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:44.920
as a young man growing up,
sitting in a chair in school for eight

882
01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:47.239
hours a day was torture because I
was a pretty active guy. I love

883
01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:51.680
sports and for like, literally I
felt like I was just in chains in

884
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:57.399
school. Minus I always liked history
and things, but just h it's not

885
01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:00.800
natural for young boy. And what
we're friends a lot of Amish folks in

886
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:03.640
West Dover and Delaware, and when
you go over to them, you know

887
01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:08.439
what they're not talking about. They're
not talking about Trump. They're not talking

888
01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:14.119
about Russia and Ukraine. They're talking
about the feed prices, and they're you

889
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:16.920
know, what are they doing with
Johnny tomorrow for school? And it's just

890
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:20.720
a yeah, all of the problems
that we have in our life, right,

891
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:26.279
car and shorts and all these things, they just don't They're very simple,

892
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:30.279
very basic folks, and they love
each other and they just work and

893
01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:33.520
they feed their families and they try
to give their children the best education,

894
01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:38.800
and they're all about living in the
word of God. And obviously they're not

895
01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:41.960
perfect people either. They make their
mistakes, but at the same time,

896
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:46.760
they don't stress on things that have
no real significance in their life. Right.

897
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:53.680
Yeah, I I resonate with that. I mean, what's the point

898
01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:57.720
of, you know, if you're
not in the matrix anymore, what's the

899
01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:01.720
point of still dabbling in all that
stuff. I lost all interest in professional

900
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:05.640
sports and almost sports in general,
to be honest with you, And I

901
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:10.079
was kind of like you in high
school. I just I could not stand

902
01:19:10.119 --> 01:19:14.159
sitting in a seat. I played
varsity sports and I loved it, and

903
01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:21.000
I was like all into that.
But I think you just start to realize

904
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:25.399
that it all plays into the game, and I'm not. I don't want

905
01:19:25.399 --> 01:19:28.079
to be a part of it.
I don't want to be I don't want

906
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:32.039
to be a cog in the wheel. Even with politics, you know,

907
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.880
I'm not. I decided last year
I'm not voting anymore. I'm just not

908
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:41.600
playing the game. So guys are
all part of the They're part of the

909
01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:45.000
system that I don't want to play. You know, I'll pay my taxes

910
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:47.920
and render to Caesar or whatever.
But that doesn't mean I have to play

911
01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:51.159
the game with everybody else and be
in the middle of it all. That's

912
01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:55.600
right, render to Caesar. Yeah, it's in a way, it does

913
01:19:55.680 --> 01:20:00.920
feel like you're you're paying the guy
who is have you locked down, right,

914
01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:02.640
It's like paying the head of the
prison, the guy who runs the

915
01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:08.560
prison for your cell. But you
know, everybody has to make their choices

916
01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:10.640
and we have to be wise.
But again, I think if we're ever

917
01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:12.760
going to succeed, there's number one, Like you said, we have to

918
01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:15.560
have faith in God and have Jesus
in our heart. And second and have

919
01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:19.439
the conviction. And this is the
thing. I have a conversation with a

920
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:24.199
couple of the local pastors were very
small town and they're easy to find.

921
01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:30.640
And where was I gone? I
just looked out the window. Saul butterflying

922
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:35.319
completely forgot what I was saying.
Yeah, it's a beautiful day. The

923
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:39.000
apple tree is blooming. We've seen
sun for the first time in like three

924
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:43.880
days. But yeah, like the
I believe. And again, I'm not

925
01:20:44.159 --> 01:20:46.159
holier than now or anything like that, but so many churches I go to

926
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:54.000
is they preached to time. When
we were in the military, we never

927
01:20:54.039 --> 01:20:57.119
trained to time. We trained a
task. So if we had a mission,

928
01:20:57.119 --> 01:20:59.600
if I had to teach my soldier
how to you know, fire their

929
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:01.880
weapon and zero it, we didn't
say, Okay, we have thirty minutes

930
01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:04.760
to do this. We did it
until they were proficient in that. And

931
01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:10.680
I think we've become worldly in so
many things, like it's you know,

932
01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:13.520
twelve o'clock. We got to you
know, process as well. I gotta

933
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:15.880
wrap this up in the middle of
something that he may be in the middle

934
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:20.279
of changing somebody's mind. And I
think we're also something I do see.

935
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:25.600
You know a lot of other religions
do that. They're not afraid to go

936
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:29.399
knock on people's tor and say and
that's that we need to take that shell

937
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:30.840
and get rid of it. And
I've said many times, if we want

938
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:34.920
to make a difference in the world, people have to do things that they

939
01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:38.840
may not be comfortable with. And
for the most part, that is going

940
01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:43.600
up to a complete stranger and you're
saying, hey, do you have Jesus

941
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:48.880
in your life? Right? I
honestly think if if people would just take

942
01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:53.720
the opportunities that they have, I
mean, how many times do you have

943
01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:58.199
have an opportunity to talk to somebody
where you know, like you could steer

944
01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:02.119
the conversation, you know, in
that direction. I mean, he almost

945
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:06.479
don't even need to knock on doors. Part of me is I'm not against

946
01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:10.800
that obviously, but I just think
that there's a stigma to it because of

947
01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:14.159
some people that knock on doors.
You know, I'm talking about Oh sure,

948
01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:15.960
sure, sure, But I'm using
that a loose turn. Like you

949
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:19.039
said, going up to complete strangers. You're at Jeffy Loup waiting for your

950
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:23.479
car to be tuned up and a
guy walks in, right, Yeah,

951
01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:28.279
you'd be surprised at like how far
you can go with somebody just by mentioning

952
01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:33.319
that you go to church or you
know, or oh I'm just praying about

953
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:38.840
this the other day and oh you
pray what you know? It just you

954
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:42.079
can steer conversations that way. You
can just kind of plant little seeds in

955
01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:45.880
there and once they kind of know
where you stand, you know, even

956
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:49.720
if they kind of presuppose what you
believe or whatever at first, you can

957
01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:54.880
steer the conversation and share the gospel
with a lot more more people if you

958
01:22:55.000 --> 01:23:00.319
just kind of take those opportunities as
they come. Even though those people knock

959
01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:03.359
on your door, sometimes they need
to hear the gospel. So absolutely opportunity.

960
01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:06.520
I watched my mom as a young
man. She turned it around and

961
01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:09.319
would say, yeah, sure,
come in. I want to talk to

962
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:13.039
you about Jesus Um. That's it. I did. I'll talk They're kind

963
01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:15.359
of like what and their white T
shirt, you know, and their white

964
01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:19.760
dress shirts and their black slacks.
Come on in. Yeah, older,

965
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:26.600
that's eighteen years old. Yeah.
I meant to ask and if you did

966
01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:30.119
mention it earlier, but did you
say everyone else in your family are they

967
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:32.600
on team Flat Earth? Are they
down with it? Or is it something

968
01:23:32.640 --> 01:23:36.920
they're still kind of looking into.
Yeah, No, I didn't mention.

969
01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:41.800
I did mean to mention it earlier
as part of my journey. It was

970
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:47.920
like it didn't seem all that difficult
that I guess to convince my family once

971
01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:55.560
I was like solid on it.
I remember when I first started looking into

972
01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:58.399
it, and I told my my
wife. I was like, hey,

973
01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:02.600
I just watched a couple of videos
and it's not stupid. And she looked

974
01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:06.399
at me and just roll her eyes
back to what she was doing with that

975
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:14.640
meln And then uh, later on
um, she would ask me again and

976
01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:19.279
and if you are you still watching
the flatter of videos? You're still into

977
01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:24.840
all that? And like, yeah, I'm really nice, really, you

978
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:30.840
know, it's not stupid. And
she started coming around and and then both

979
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:36.039
of my kids were I don't know, I guess they were there more or

980
01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:42.800
less into whatever. They were more
or less into what I was into.

981
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:47.520
But it wasn't that hard to get
vince some once I saw a dad was

982
01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:54.119
convinced. That's good. That's kind
of the way it was here. And

983
01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:59.159
yeah, we we we play the
videos as well as a family. We

984
01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:01.880
watch them, you know, whether
it be a lot of the Schebat stuff

985
01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:04.720
we listened to while we're in the
car. He did a lot of tremendous

986
01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:08.439
stuff. And again, like we
were talking about before. It's so sad

987
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:12.000
because he was a wealth of knowledge
and he was a great He's such a

988
01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:16.079
good speaker, and I always talked
with a smile. Yeah, I really

989
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:23.920
enjoyed him. He did make experiment
not long ago. Do you remember that?

990
01:25:24.199 --> 01:25:28.920
I think it was Lake Michigan.
Wasn't enough you ever saw that.

991
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:31.560
He didn't experiment. It was him
and somebody else. It was like a

992
01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:36.039
crew of a few people. He
was he was involved with that. I

993
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:41.039
think I have to go back and
look for that. I'm not sure if

994
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:44.399
I remember it. Yeah, yeah, I'll go back and check too.

995
01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:51.039
I'm pretty sure it was him,
but not on Yeah, that's somebody I

996
01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:55.520
regret. I wish I would.
I would have such a great conversation with

997
01:25:55.600 --> 01:26:00.159
him. Was it for you?
Did Did everything change? Like the way

998
01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:04.720
you see nature and everything? Everything? You know? Because I've said many

999
01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:11.319
times that you know, being you
know, a career soldier, and then

1000
01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.960
finally like a lot of the things
I saw during my career and I had

1001
01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:17.640
interactions with pretty high arching people and
they kind of said some things off to

1002
01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:19.880
the side. I was like,
huh, but I never really had the

1003
01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:23.840
time to look into it, and
I think part of it was I wanted

1004
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:28.800
to wear the blinders because for one
reason or another. But when I finally

1005
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:31.680
took the time afterwards and I went
down nine to eleven and found out that

1006
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.680
the true story about it, at
least what I believed it was, it

1007
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:40.399
was a punch in the stomach.
Right It's how could my government that I

1008
01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:45.199
served and my entire family going back
a hundred years or so have served this

1009
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:49.680
country. It just felt like,
you know, I was betrayed, but

1010
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:54.800
you know, life goes on.
But when the flat Earth, at first

1011
01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:57.079
it was the same type of feeling. I'm like, are you kid me?

1012
01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:00.960
Is there anything genuine about this Earth? Then at the same time,

1013
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:02.079
over a couple of days, once
I get over that, it was like

1014
01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:06.479
my shackles were broken, and I
looked at everything differently. I read the

1015
01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:11.640
Bible differently, I treated people differently. I realized that God wasn't in this

1016
01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:15.760
alternate dimension. I think this is
one of the things that I really realized,

1017
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Like you don't die and then you
just go to another dimension, like

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Heaven is like right above us,
like you can look up and see Heaven.

1019
01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:26.680
And I really realized how close God
was to me, and that really

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changed my life. Yeah, I'm
I totally agree. I think I had

1021
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:38.000
the same exact experience, just feeling
this closeness to God physically, not you

1022
01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:41.960
know, not just that's right about
how he's you know, in some other

1023
01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:47.039
dimension, you know, beyond infinite
space somewhere you know. Yeah, and

1024
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:49.560
then he's right up up there,
up above, you know, and you

1025
01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:53.600
point up. That's where God is, you know, the Father is sitting

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01:27:53.640 --> 01:28:00.479
up in a throne above Firman,
you know. And it's like and um,

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01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:04.079
one of the I don't know if
you've ever looked into this, but

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01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:11.560
um in Ezekiel, there's this weird
passage about the wheels and in the sky.

1029
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:15.560
You've ever read that before? I'm
not sure if it rings a bell

1030
01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:19.199
or not. Oh, you gotta
read look at Ezekiel. I think it's

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01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:24.520
like chapter one, I think,
Um. But anyway, it talks about

1032
01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:30.239
these um, these wheels and the
sky and these fork creatures and where the

1033
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:35.560
wheels went they went and blah blah
blah. Yeah, talks about Um.

1034
01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:43.079
Ezekiel talks about him, like going
up with the wheels and then looking up

1035
01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:48.319
at the firmament and basically describing what
he sees through the firmament. So he's

1036
01:28:48.359 --> 01:28:54.239
describing like the colors of the rainbow
and sapphire, and um, he talks

1037
01:28:54.239 --> 01:29:01.199
about, um, the firmament being
like crystalline glass or molten glass. And

1038
01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:04.600
then you know, and then like
the son of Man and a throne,

1039
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that kind of thing. And then
if you go and you go to to

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01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:13.760
Revelation, I think it's chapter four
or five, I can't remember, but

1041
01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:21.439
um, it's a description of everything
above the firmament exactly as it was described

1042
01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:25.880
in Ezekiel. From below the firmament, he says. You know, John

1043
01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:30.079
says, I see a sea of
glass, and he talks about the colors

1044
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:32.520
of the rainbow and the throne and
sapphire, you know, all the same

1045
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:38.520
terms. So it's not you know, the flat Earth model or whatever.

1046
01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:46.199
The firmament isn't just some old Testament
poetry. It's also it's also recapitulated in

1047
01:29:46.720 --> 01:29:51.159
Revelation. Yeah, the Revelations four
to six says and before the throne,

1048
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:57.239
there was a sea of glass like
into crystal m Yeah. If you if

1049
01:29:57.239 --> 01:30:01.479
you read that pass you know that
passage, it's identical to what Ezekiel describes

1050
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:05.720
from below the firmament. And he
sees above it. Pretty cool, it

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01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:10.279
is. And I mentioned that I
felt closer to God, but it also

1052
01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:13.720
gave me a special feeling that I
was closer to my dad as well,

1053
01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:16.600
because Heaven's up there as well.
So when people say, you know,

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01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:19.000
I think a lot of people don't
realize. And when they say, you

1055
01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:23.640
know, my dad's you see these
guys they won a championship and they say,

1056
01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:27.039
oh, my dad's smiling down upon
me today, I think people don't

1057
01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:30.800
realize that, you know, Heaven
is above the firmament and they really are

1058
01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:36.279
looking down up I believe looking down
Tanya. Yeah, absolutely. I know

1059
01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:41.880
we didn't get it. We didn't
get into tides and all the other fun

1060
01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:46.439
stuff. But that's okay, that's
okay, Um, you know, that's

1061
01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:49.359
something we can broach another day.
I think the most important things, though,

1062
01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:54.640
we did dwell on and I think
that that is uh really what it's

1063
01:30:54.680 --> 01:31:00.000
all about. Right. Yeah?
Absolutely. And with that being yeah absolutely,

1064
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.279
was there anything else you wanted to
touch on or would you like to

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01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:11.119
give the folks any closing words?
Yeah? I would just say repent and

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01:31:11.159 --> 01:31:15.279
believe the gospel. It's the power
of God into salvation. Jesus died for

1067
01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:18.960
your sins, rose from the grave, put your faith in him, and

1068
01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:25.359
start your true life. You know, see where all this stuff is going

1069
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:30.920
to lead. You know, it's
actually a good story for us. If

1070
01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:34.880
you're not on that side yet,
get on it quick. Yeah. For

1071
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:39.279
sure, we're not nobody's guaranteed tomorrow. That's a fact, and we are

1072
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:43.560
in precarious times, and again we
can be cognizant of it, but don't

1073
01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:46.159
dwell on it. Live your life, raise those chickens, and grow your

1074
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:49.800
food. My wife has made a
habit out of when we go to the

1075
01:31:50.039 --> 01:31:55.279
commissary on Dover Force Base. You'll
be shocked to see how many of these

1076
01:31:55.319 --> 01:32:01.279
things, whether it be cereal or
bread mix, that'say made with bioengineered products.

1077
01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:04.560
And that should be a huge red
flag for people. Yeah, we're

1078
01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:09.479
staying away from all that stuff.
Yeah, we have a local farm nearby.

1079
01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:14.279
We've been buying raw milk and grass
fed beef and so we're fortunate to

1080
01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:16.800
have that right nearby. But the
government is not making it easy for those

1081
01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:21.840
farmers. No they're not. It's
it's sad, Yeah, it is.

1082
01:32:23.800 --> 01:32:26.760
Well, Mike, it's been an
absolute pleasure meeting you, and I wish

1083
01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:30.079
you all the best, and thank
you so much for sharing your story and

1084
01:32:30.119 --> 01:32:34.000
your testimony with the folks at home. Thank you so much, George for

1085
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:39.039
having me, and I'm gonna keep
on listening and appreciate your podcast and everything

1086
01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:44.399
you're doing, so keep on blessing
us. All right, we'll do it

1087
01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:47.960
again. I thank you, and
again folks will have like Rob Skiba's links

1088
01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:55.560
and beyond the Imaginary Curve links and
Mike's email address which is mikey dot fea

1089
01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:58.840
chat at gmail dot com. Don't
worry about writing it down, it'll be

1090
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:00.720
in the show to scription so you
can just copy and paste if you'd like

1091
01:33:01.079 --> 01:33:04.159
to reach out to Mike and for
Mike, I am George. Thank you

1092
01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:08.880
all so much for joining us on
this edition of The Flat Earth Files,

1093
01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:11.920
and we look forward to the next
one. God bless you all, and

1094
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:13.960
until next time, we will see
you