WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:06.919 Breaking down the Hall, the exes and ohs. It's Steve Rivera and Jayden 2 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:12.880 Sammis. This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteenth theory. Okay, 3 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:15.599 welcome back to eyeing the Ball here Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve 4 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.679 Rivera. He's chicken sauce now with us, Sir Henry doing the breaking news. 5 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:25.440 This is Eye on the Ball breaking news on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. 6 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:31.000 He defeated the Warriors one O two to ninety nine to advance to the Summer 7 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:34.320 League Finals versus the Grizzlies, which will be today at five pm. Pella 8 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:38.600 Larson yesterday had twenty one points, four rebounds, and six assists, and 9 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:43.119 Kisha did not play because of his ankle injury. Oh okay, I mean 10 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.600 it looks like those two guys are doing everything they need to do to stick, 11 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:50.439 right. Just notice a matter of whether there's a spot for them, 12 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:54.920 right. I mean Pelly's he I mean, every time you see his stats, 13 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:56.920 he's done, he's done. The nice job. M hm. I 14 00:00:56.920 --> 00:00:59.600 mean this was definitely his best game. But for us, Yeah, but 15 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.239 you know, you hope that, I know, I hope they both stick. 16 00:01:03.319 --> 00:01:07.159 But when do Keisha didn't hurt his ankle. I didn't see that. 17 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.519 I think the game before the last games or two games ago. Okay, 18 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.599 yeah, not always, not that it'll hurt now because he'll be back ready 19 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:18.079 to play in two weeks, because they've already seen that he can jump out 20 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:22.159 of the gym and defend the different positions. But it always doesn't help. 21 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.519 Yeah, yeah, I mean you're on getting as many games and let them 22 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:26.840 see you as many times as they can. Sure they can say, you 23 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.040 know, we got to keep this guy. The one thing about him too, 24 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.799 he's he's very affable. He's not hard. He's not hard to like. 25 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:37.239 I mean, right, he's likable. Yeah, good dude? Yeah 26 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:41.000 all right, team wait, is there where do you is the game only 27 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:45.040 on NBA TV or do you where do you see at ESPN? Okay at 28 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.359 five pm? Five o'clock? Okay? Cool? Team USA basketball beat Germany 29 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:53.879 ninety two to eighty eight in their last exhibition game and Lebron led the way 30 00:01:53.920 --> 00:02:00.040 with twenty points. Their first preliminary round game is Sunday Verse Serbia, and 31 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:05.719 you saw that they barely beat su Dan like we talked about forty five know 32 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:07.680 that happened Saturday? Yeah, and they were they were like, okay for 33 00:02:07.759 --> 00:02:12.120 those of you who are betting on those games, and okay, but they 34 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:17.960 were like forty plus point underdog, yeah, right, and then beating by 35 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:21.800 what a point or a bat or a basket? Yeah, I don't know, 36 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:25.840 all I both you. You're gonna read too much into this. No, 37 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:30.199 I'm gonna read in it that they didn't give a crap about that game 38 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.319 and thought they could throw their uniforms on the floor and win, right. 39 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:38.120 And and you'd like to think, right, you'd like to think that when 40 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.159 the lights come on from the Olympics, right, that they're gonna they're gonna 41 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.520 give it. They're all every game and they're not going to take any games. 42 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.039 Well, that's the whole The storyline is going to be this. In 43 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:47.680 two weeks, right, they win the gold medal, No, one's gonna 44 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:52.039 be right exactly. The winness says, oh, that were just you know, 45 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.560 messing around. But if they don't win it, you can say, 46 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:58.039 oh, we should have seen it coming. You should have seen exactly. 47 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:04.240 There's two storylines here. Yeah. Lebron was selected as the male United States 48 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:10.520 flag bear for the opening ceremony in Paris on Friday, respect your elders. 49 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.840 So there's a male and a female. I didn't know that. I didn't 50 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:17.560 see who the female was, but it just popped up as I mean, 51 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:21.560 woul think it was like Simone Biles or something like that. Yeah, yeah, 52 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.879 did you see ESPN's top one hundred athletes top athletes of the twenty first 53 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:31.159 century. Now, who guess was number one? Blubon's in the top ten. 54 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:35.240 It's not number one. Biles is in the top ten, that number 55 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:39.400 one. He's in the he's actually number eight. Okay, top number one 56 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:44.439 athlete of the twenty first century, twenty first century, so that's twenty figures. 57 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.120 Ah, when did this come on? They've had it like that by 58 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:52.599 tens the last few weeks, so that any of them, they just had 59 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:55.439 the last ten last Saturday, number one. It's very surprising to me, 60 00:03:55.520 --> 00:04:00.479 but makes sense. Tom Brady, he's in the top ten into Michael Phelps. 61 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.479 That's why it's kind of surprising to me. Yeah, I mean I 62 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:09.280 put him in the top ten. But I'm not like, okay, yeah, 63 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:14.599 you know, all right, yeah, gold medal. Yeah, it 64 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:18.360 was not my socks off. You know, maybe an undervalued sport because it's 65 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:23.920 not on TV. You know, every weekend it came. I was thinking, 66 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.639 that's kind of strange, and then they do another one that's kind of 67 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.160 strange, and the old top ten was We're not alone in thinking this. 68 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.199 A lot of the people that were kind of the critics said, this is 69 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:38.399 just a strange list of how they kind of put the people where they put 70 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.959 people. And the thing is no, no offense to you, Henry, 71 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.199 but the young people, a lot of the people working today in the media 72 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.759 business, what are they through? Young dudes, young women, Uh, 73 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.839 they don't know. They don't even know what happened twenty years ago. That's 74 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:57.360 honestly, weally agree. They don't know who Donna Summer. So that's part 75 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:59.959 of the problem too, that they don't see the grand scope of the entire 76 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:01.879 I'm sure I was like that when I was a kid. Willie Mays, 77 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:06.040 who what Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I've told you about this immaculate 78 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.240 grid thing that we do where you do baseball things, and you know, 79 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.399 everybody on my grid will be nineteen eighty five and earlier, and everybody on 80 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:17.199 the the guys will the guys were playing today, you know, the young 81 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:20.160 guys. So it's money. Yeah, Willie Mays is always on my grid. 82 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:27.240 All right. Four players were inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame yesterday, 83 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.120 third baseman Adrian Beltray, catcher Joe Mauer, first baseman Todd Hilton, 84 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:36.480 and manager Jim Leelands. I think that's deserving. Yeah, you know, 85 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:46.360 I guess I didn't realize, uh that Adrian Belchra had had such a career. 86 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.959 He started with the Dodgers, so you know, I know of him, 87 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.519 so I first goot, he didn't seem to me like that level of 88 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.600 guy. But then you look at his numbers and his achievements, and you 89 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.519 go, yeah, Todd Hailton was as good a hit her is anybody right? 90 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:05.199 That guy was just always getting base hit. So I'm okay with him. 91 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:09.360 With the other two, Jim Jim Leland, sure right, he's one 92 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:13.240 of He's won a bunch of championships, Joe and Joe Joe Maher is the 93 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:17.480 one I'm thinking, okay. He was a popular guy, very likable guy. 94 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.639 Did he do enough? Did you see the video with Leland and fighting 95 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:27.399 with Barry Bonds when Barry Bonds was that that's that's great, awesome stuff. 96 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.439 Don't tell me what to do I'm the manager here, blah blah. It's 97 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.759 like a sort of when when when he goes to the goesund and yelling at 98 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:40.199 Doug Rout during the World Series. That's a great video. In fact. 99 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:45.360 Uh, one of the young guys that that I'm on a thread with tweeted 100 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:49.720 something out about something about a manager doing something. I said, that's nothing 101 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:57.160 watching this right, oh my beer kind of thing. T n T intends 102 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:01.199 to continue its relationship with the n b A by matching Amazon Primes offer for 103 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:06.759 the NBA rights to what degree though, right do we know? I mean, 104 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:12.199 are they gonna well, they continue to have the show that they had 105 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.759 because that was the attraction for them, Right, Anybody can do the games, 106 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:17.759 right, you get announcers, they do the games. To me, 107 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:23.000 it's what you offer on top of the game entertainment, right, you know 108 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.680 what what's your what are your you know, what's your studio show look like? 109 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.040 For instance, I still watch as much as I don't like Pat McAfee, 110 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:35.959 I still watch Game Day on Saturdays instead of the Fox whatever their show 111 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:41.759 is called. Yeah, you know I still watch Game Day. Now Pat 112 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.839 McAfee is making me edge, you know, flip the channels now and then 113 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:47.480 do you watch the Fox one? That's what I'm saying. I flipped that. 114 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.759 You know, I don't, But when Pat McAfee comes on, I 115 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:55.839 do flip the channel because I don't. He's got nothing that I want to 116 00:07:55.839 --> 00:08:00.480 hear. But he's right, right, But you watch the Fox one specifically? 117 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:01.680 No, No, I watched Game Day don't know, but you don't 118 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.839 watch the Fox thing? No, do you watch foxing? That's why I 119 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:07.959 asked. No. I watch both, but I don't watch like you guys 120 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.480 watch it. I just watch it just to see what they say for whatever 121 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:16.560 reason. But Anthony swears about swears about the Fox one. Yeah, very 122 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:18.879 good. He's a football guy. I don't like urban Meyer. You see, 123 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:22.240 that's mister bitterer. Mister bitterer, you're missing out in a lot of 124 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:28.439 good world out there. I think I think urban Meyer is a big time 125 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.199 Well see, you don't like uh, and I don't like Pat mc so 126 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:37.799 what are you gonna watch Church dayline? Like Chili? But you are that's 127 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:39.840 the same. It's the same thing, look and that and that's how I 128 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:45.000 am. But see, like like a I mean, I will actually turn 129 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.759 on if a game is ending an NBA game is ending. I'm not watching 130 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:54.759 anything else. I'm flipping channels and the Studio show is coming on with Berkley 131 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:58.200 and and those guys. I'll watch that because I think they're entertaining. I 132 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.919 think they're funny, think they're entertaining. I love Barkley, you know. 133 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:07.240 Uh, you know, when I'm watching Game Day, I don't want to 134 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.559 hear from Pat McAfee. I'm interested to see what Nick Saban's gonna do, 135 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.120 like and I don't listen watching what when he's on. It's like watching World 136 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:22.080 Championship Wrestling. And that's not what Game Day to me, right, that's 137 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.679 not to me, that's not entertaining that when I watch Game Day, I'm 138 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.960 trying to one, you know, hear about games and what's going on here 139 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.919 about players and I you know, I like their features and all that stuff 140 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.159 they always do, the one that makes you cry and you know, all 141 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.279 that stuff. That's what I want to watch. I don't want to hear, 142 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:41.360 you know, I don't want to have some guy in a tank top 143 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.960 up there, you know, yelling and screaming and YadA YadA, yadda. 144 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:48.360 You know that's me that that that's just what I want to watch my son 145 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:54.399 loves Pat mcwe thinks that's the best part of the show. Right, But 146 00:09:54.440 --> 00:10:01.480 for the same reason I'm not. I'm just Urban Meyer, just a cringe 147 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.519 week. He doesn't like you should put put on a take top and a 148 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.360 yell at people. We got a minute, so you gotta go. What 149 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.600 do you got? I just got The Packers quarterback Jordan Love won't participate in 150 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:18.240 any practice or games until they reach a contract extension. No can I hear 151 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.879 that? 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I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jacob Zaus. 209 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.720 Now all on the phone. We have Jeff Hamershmith former U of a football 210 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:35.480 hitter, defensive back and all that stuff you missed, you miss it? 211 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.759 Whatever do you miss hitting people on the field? You must yeah, I 212 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.279 mean yeah, I don't know who knows what? Yeah? No, I 213 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.120 do. So now you're times that I would like I'd like to put my 214 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.120 face through somebody's face. Would be nice once in a while. So now 215 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:54.080 you're able to coach kids? Uh, let me ask you this because football 216 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.039 is kind of like you know how to player, you don't. How do 217 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.000 you teach football to those who kind of are I know, how to play, 218 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:07.519 but need to get better. You know, it's it's very just the 219 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.279 very fundamental basics part of it. I mean, it's just it's a lot 220 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:18.600 of walkthroughs and a lot of going through stuff and going absolutely crazy when the 221 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:24.000 kids can't figure it out. Well, no, no, let me say 222 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.879 that you have to figure they don't. I did. I coached junior high 223 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.240 last year and the kids were like, I had that guy. I said, 224 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.600 you did not have that man once? So whatsoever? So to my 225 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.519 point I said it, I said it in a little bit meaner way. 226 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:39.720 Yeah, Well, to my point, because you were a guy who like 227 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.440 was a torpedo. Chuck Cecil was a torpedo. I don't think you teach 228 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.440 that. You know, Daryl Lewis was a torpedo. Just these dudes are 229 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:50.879 instincts? Are you? You played differently and now it's the game is different. 230 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.480 You got to kind of wrap up you. You went and tackled the 231 00:15:54.519 --> 00:16:00.000 guy. Well, we used the man, Chuck, we used our hellmetal 232 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.120 lot. I think they would they would have thrown us out our freshman year 233 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:10.639 of college. Probably Chuck would have never been with the Packers. Yeah, 234 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:12.440 you're right, because it's a totally different game now, and so now that 235 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:18.360 you're coaching high school, how do you how do you teach that? You 236 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.399 know? It's uh, I mean the helmets they get put on these guys 237 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.720 are like crazy and protective, which is nice because my son's why I am 238 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.240 and I'm glad he has something protective, but it's but yeah, it's it's 239 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:37.600 the everyone's teaching that that Pete Carroll crazy alligator tackle where it's if coach told 240 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:42.399 me was alive, he's probably rolling in his grave right now knowing that you're 241 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.799 that we're teaching how to let the running back get in front of you and 242 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.759 then grab the legs from behind. And that's the way high schools teach it 243 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.879 now. And I still don't teach it that way. I still break every 244 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.799 rule I guess and say you got to get your head in front and they 245 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:02.759 and it's crazy. So well again, you know, you know, the 246 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:06.920 times are changing, Jeff, and you know you got to play at a 247 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:08.680 time when football was football, and then you know those of us who saw 248 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.480 that, it's like what are we doing? But you have to you have 249 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.839 to roll with it. You know, the rules are different and all that, 250 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.200 you know, to Steve's point, though, you know, because let's 251 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.079 say, you know, you said your tea, you're coaching freshman. You 252 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:23.920 got a kid who says, I want to play football, but I've never 253 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:30.799 played football. What's the first thing you tell them? You know, it's 254 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.880 just the safety part of it, Just that that part of it. I 255 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:38.400 think that's the best thing is we we would teach a lot of fundamentals up 256 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:42.160 front before we even got to the point where they're, you know, hitting 257 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.000 or doing it. And they I don't think they hit real hard anyway, 258 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:51.720 but but you really have to teach the part of keeping your head out of 259 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:56.839 it and and that that fundamental part first. And and it's it's hard because 260 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.480 when you get there and somebody has a I mean everyone could. When you're 261 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.240 going and you're running with a helmet and he had this other guy has a 262 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.559 helmet, he's running right at you, then what are you going to do. 263 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.039 It's like it's like going into a fight and someone gives you a knife, 264 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.519 Well you might as well use it, and they gave it to you, 265 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:17.279 so you just kind of it's kind of with a helmet. You're kind 266 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:19.559 of running and they're telling you not to hit with your helmet and kind of 267 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:22.519 grab on to him, and that guy is gonna put his helmet right in 268 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:26.480 your chest. And that's just you know, it's it's hard. It's hard. 269 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:34.400 Sports is sports is hard. It's no fun. I mean it was 270 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:38.400 fun when you hit me. Now, of course I can't. I don't 271 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:44.519 have a great memory anymore, but you know that's just part of it remembers 272 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.880 for us today. Well, that's the problem. I sometimes I forget the 273 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:59.880 steven whatever you guys accused me of that told me I blamed Larry Smith, 274 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.640 I blame McDuff Ellerson, I blame all them. That's funny. That's funny, 275 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.480 all right, Jeff. You're looking forward to the Big twelve and football 276 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:11.799 in the Big twelve for for Arizona. I looked. I was just telling 277 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.599 my son. I looked at that thing. I'm like, what is going 278 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.759 on? It's that is crazy. Yes, I'm I'm my brother. My 279 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.720 brother is a DV coach at Oklahoma State, so I'm kind of we're in. 280 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:27.200 We don't play them next year, but it's just it's just a crazy 281 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:32.319 You look at it and there's no usc U, s l A or I 282 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:33.680 just tried. I'm like, oh my gosh, I grew up a whole. 283 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.960 I don't know. That's hard. It's hard, but it but it's 284 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:41.039 gonna be exciting. I mean it's gonna They're gonna be there's some really dang 285 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.480 good teams in there, and it's gonna be tough. Right. Are you 286 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.680 gonna plan because you're you're in the Denver area, are you gonna plan to 287 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.720 see a game or two from from that area? Yeah, you know, 288 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:57.240 I'll go see the Harlans and I'll and go cheer on Arizona and sitting in 289 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:03.200 the Harlan's executives week that should be fun. I'll do that some of the 290 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.680 ones. I think I can get to Canada. I think I think we're 291 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:08.880 at Kane State. I looked at it today a little bit and uh, 292 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.799 but yeah, no, it's I wish Colorado. Last year I went to 293 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:15.839 the Colorado game. I did the homecoming. It was fun. I got 294 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:19.160 to I got a few games in and it's just great to see people. 295 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:23.440 I got to see, I mean everybody with the CU Boulder game. So 296 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.960 that was fun. So you played for a Quina, as we all know, 297 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.640 we've talked about him before, but for the people who didn't listen, 298 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.920 less time what what what the what are the kids the players now are gonna 299 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:41.799 get from Akina in his new position. Oh, he's the best they get, 300 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:45.160 they get the best coach in the country. No matter what he coaches, 301 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.640 He's already proved it. He's he could probably coach O line and be 302 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.759 he would coach the he would coach the he would coach this little JV team 303 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:59.319 and and they would win every game and it wouldn't even be close. He's 304 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:02.160 just one of those guy. He has that about him that you just want 305 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:07.160 to play for him. And he's you know, he's gonna have success obviously 306 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.200 wherever, and uh, I'm excited for him to do that. And then 307 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:14.240 he has I'm sure rich Ellerson will come out of the bushes somewhere and sneak 308 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.720 into a practice or or almost every practice probably so he but he's gonna have 309 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.400 support. He's got he's got a I mean, yeah, no, that's 310 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:26.160 a good group that that that staff is a really good group. Brennan did 311 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.799 a great job, Brent did a great job of putting that all together and 312 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.920 and that's that's awesome. So we have a great staff when you just look 313 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:34.680 at it. So we know Duanne we've covered him, we've seen him here 314 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:38.200 on the sidelines here, we've talked to him a number of times. Uh, 315 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:42.440 without no give us what's his secret sauce, because it's either you guys 316 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.519 playing hard for him because you love him, and that's kind of like the 317 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:52.200 extra motivation or what is it? You know, I think he's he's he's 318 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:57.880 knowledgeable, but he's just h you just would you just want to you know, 319 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:02.799 you you'd take a take a bullet for him. You know, he's 320 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:06.000 one of those guys. He's just like a dad figure. He's hard as 321 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:08.400 hack on you, but he knows you when it's all said and done, 322 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:12.119 he just loves you up and and this has a special way. But I 323 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:15.119 wish I had, I mean, I wish I had more of that. 324 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.160 So it's just it's hard, it's a hard thing to do, and and 325 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:23.039 uh he's just he's got it. And uh yeah, it's a it's a 326 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.720 special deal. I Mean, there's a lot of great coaches that I've been 327 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.799 around, and from Dino Babers to Ellerson's and to all the great people I've 328 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:36.039 been around, and and he's and he's just a special He's just special. 329 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:37.319 He has a way of way, I don't know, just a way of 330 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.039 making guys want to go, you know, lay it on the line for 331 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:44.640 him. So should he have been a head coach somewhere or why? Why? 332 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:49.319 Why do you think he hasn't been? Is he just like I am 333 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:53.680 shocked that that hasn't happened. Uh, I don't know. I wouldn't be 334 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:59.400 surprised if he was offered some jobs. I think maybe working you know, 335 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.440 a school and having to work up and I just I don't know. I 336 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:10.200 think he's always been he would be great. I just don't. Yeah, 337 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.720 I don't know why, but but I think he's just such a great coordinator 338 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:18.440 or whatever. He does. Coach quarterbacks, he coached eb defense, he 339 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.319 could coach anything, and so, yeah, but I don't know why. 340 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:25.039 You know, it's a I think his own reasons and and uh, and 341 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:27.480 I sure I'm sure there's he'd never said anything, but I'm sure he got 342 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:30.039 offered some jobs. I think he did. Remember we had talked to him 343 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.599 last year when he first got here. He kind of mentioned that he says, 344 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.480 well, I love what I do in this position, that there was 345 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:38.279 no need to get a head coaches, And I mean a look at the 346 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:41.799 places he's been right, you know, Arizona, Texas, Stanford. I 347 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.279 mean, it's not like he's been in some slouch places and trying to work 348 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:51.119 his way around it. And it's like when Rich Ellerson was at Arizona and 349 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:55.160 he's a phenomenal coach and and to get to get to be a head coach, 350 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:56.880 he had to go to Southern Utah and that's where I was dumb enough 351 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.359 to follow him. But it was kind of you go to Southern Utah and 352 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.200 then he becomes you know, and then you build yourself into being a head 353 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.079 coach. And Dino Baber is the same thing. Dino was phenomenal as a 354 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.680 coordinator, and then he had to go down. I don't know where he 355 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:15.640 went till I got He went to a smaller school and then worked his way 356 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.000 up. And I think that was just the key of he just always offered 357 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.319 some really good jobs and it was hard to go down. You see what 358 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.559 he's capable of. Hey, I know, you got to go coach your 359 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.599 kids. Uh, you don't have to run any laps for us. He 360 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.720 stayed clean. Way he's not done yet, no doubt he's not done yet. 361 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.319 Exactly. I haven't started the st period yet and I'm going to get 362 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:45.559 these kids saying a special words thanks man as always appreciated. Good guys. 363 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.119 Okay, he mentioned Dino Babers went to Eastern Illinois, got his first head 364 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.400 coaching job there, head coach of Bowling Green. Then he ended up at 365 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.839 Syracuse. Yeah. Yeah, well you work your way up, you know, 366 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.519 and do a good job exactly. All right, let's take next break. 367 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.240 We're to come back and we'll take your cast five to two zero four 368 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:06.640 one four forty. Stick around. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, 369 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:10.319 you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now take a look back 370 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.160 at the Ludolsen era. 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A Team offers a fun and 400 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.160 exciting opportunity to work in the sports and entertainment industry, with flexible schedules that 401 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.640 are perfect for those looking for a part time job or a second income. 402 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.839 Come be a part of a winning team the A Team Apply online today at 403 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:40.039 A Team security dot net. This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera 404 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:45.440 and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen to fifty. Subscribe now to the podcast 405 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.200 on the iHeartRadio app. Just surgeon. I on the ball. Hey, 406 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.240 welcome back towards the ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Riverta. 407 00:27:52.279 --> 00:28:00.000 He's Jigansaus. You gotta guy Henry with us the tack of a second 408 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.920 and Henry Henry we got we got a lot of time. We got twenty 409 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:07.000 five minutes. Yeah, to get out early for Jeff. Jeff had to 410 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.279 go and do his stuff. Okay, cool, you guys, plenty of 411 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:12.599 time to call. We have a lot of open space here five to zero, 412 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.920 four, one, six, seventy four forty Always good to talk to 413 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:18.759 Hammer. Yeah, he's funny. Henry was doing some work out of the 414 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.960 buzzer just and I just wanted to keep your hand finger on the dump button. 415 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.000 Didn't need it though. Nice job, Nice job by Jeff. Appreciate 416 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.920 that, right, Okay, good time. We got through another day of 417 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:37.480 kiss. So I'm just I'm watching some of the chatter on on on Twitter 418 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.960 about Lebron James and what is her clutch player? Is he not? Because 419 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.319 he's the one that kind of, you know, let him to win these 420 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.200 last two games. You know, he did some things and you know, 421 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.839 and clutch and you know, there's been a little bit of a knock on 422 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.720 him from some of his playoff, you know, appearances that you know, 423 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.799 at the end of the game he wouldn't you know, he didn't pull him 424 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.559 out, pull him through and stuff like that. But is he a clutch 425 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:02.720 player? Is he not? The is the discussion? What do you think 426 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.279 that's a good I have a couple of answers for you. I don't know 427 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.519 because I don't watch him enough. However, these are from critics for like 428 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.400 who Joe blows? Yeah, you know, there's a few media people in 429 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:17.519 there and stuff like that. So so this is the funny thing about what 430 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:21.039 we do for a living. We talk about sports. Maybe we're critical at 431 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.160 times. Maybe people think I'm critical all the time and and to you, 432 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.200 to you as well, what the hell does it matter what we think? 433 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:32.319 Honestly, to be the critic that Lebron James, the guy who scored most 434 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.400 points in the history of the game, right, that he's not a closer 435 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:38.240 or whatever? What the hell? Who cares what you think? Well? 436 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.680 I, well, I frankly think some of the some of the athletes themselves 437 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.920 care at times. The athletes I get that thinking that why are you going 438 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.079 to him because he's not the closer. No, No, the athletes care 439 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.960 what people think about him, no question. And that's my point too, 440 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.559 is I will follow them. What the hell does what do I care what 441 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.799 Steve thinks or what they do well? Like KD I was just gonna say, 442 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.799 Kevin Durant, you know who's had You're known to have burner accounts and 443 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:08.000 go on and respond to people saying to me, you make millions upon millions, 444 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:15.880 you make generational millions. It shouldn't it should not. You know, 445 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.640 if somebody's giving your crap, like Luke pointed at the scoreboard at that one 446 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.400 time, you point to your wallet and say, yeah, I'll point to 447 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.799 the scoreboard first and then say you guys shut up. Yeah we've we've kicked 448 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.079 your ass for a long time. Yes, not just tonight. But but 449 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.640 again, you know, we know that athletes do care, no question. 450 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.200 We're all we're all sensitive. You know, they go on and especially with 451 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.400 them with media now and they're you're more opportunities to be in the media, 452 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.960 whether they're doing their own podcasts and those kinds of things, to be able 453 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.680 to go on and say, you know and answer back to some of this 454 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.440 stuff, and they do it and I guarantee the people that do the Chris 455 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.759 wish they were there. I mean, did you think that Pete Rose gave 456 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.799 one crap about what people said about him? No? No, Joe Morgan, 457 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.599 you know your red guy's regis. They didn't give a crap. But 458 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:02.519 the athlete today does. We we didn't know because we didn't have Twitter, 459 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.839 right, they weren't in the media where they weren't you know, scrutinizes. 460 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.319 But they are every single day by so many people who are so called media, 461 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:15.920 whether it's on Instagram or Snapchat or Twitter or whatever. I'll give you 462 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.880 what more to that. We'll about to get to the I think we talked 463 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.759 about this. Okayo, Hi, you're on the air, on the ball. 464 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:26.279 Hey, this is done. How you guys doing good? Done? 465 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:36.799 How are you a all right? I think that today's athlete in all sports, 466 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.480 they've been babied their whole way through. They've been told how great they 467 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:47.839 are and how far they're gonna go and all these things, and then when 468 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.319 they get when they get negative reactions, they take it personal. I agree, 469 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.119 I totally that's a very good point. I totally agree. I mean 470 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.400 they're all I mean, all these baseball players and stuff. There are all 471 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.119 club team players. Yeah, so let me ask you both. Let me 472 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.799 ask you both the question I was gonna ask. Okay, now that the 473 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.000 kids are getting paid not a little, a lot, Ano, they're kind 474 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.559 of pros in a professional way, right and we're columnists or whatever, and 475 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:22.200 we're doing this job. Are the fair game for criticism? I think so 476 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.400 so too. I do too, more so than they were before. Right, 477 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.160 Well, you can't do the Gundy thing and say go after me. 478 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.279 I'm forty years old, I'm a kid, that's all you know. My 479 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:36.359 quarterback's making one point two million dollars. Yea, absolutely, yes, I 480 00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.200 think you're hey and not not invendifferent than you know. Let's say you've got 481 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:44.759 a nineteen year old who is in the NBA. Now, just because he's 482 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:49.559 nineteen doesn't mean you can't rip him if he's in making NBA money and playing 483 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.559 the professional game. These kids are professionals, now, don't you agree? 484 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:58.480 Not? I agree. But in the last year or so, there have 485 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.960 been a lot of people in the met on Twitter and other places when they're 486 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:07.960 trying to you know, criticizing kids that were transferring out of Arizona or not 487 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.599 coming to Arizona and people going, hey, give the case, He's just 488 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:19.279 a kid. And the thing is is they're not just a kid because they 489 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:24.240 have they have their handlers that do whatever it is that they do and everything 490 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.559 else. So you know what, if that's what you want to do, 491 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.839 you're going to take heat. And that's what they need to learn. Yeah. 492 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:36.720 Don I think you make a great point to our because we were against 493 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.000 that, right right, we were against what you just said. Done. 494 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:42.319 I get I get what you said. Uh, they weren't getting paid at 495 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.440 the time when they were getting The kids making the decisions weren't getting paid at 496 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.839 the time, And depending on the people criticizing the moves, they were more 497 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.599 bitter about them leaving. I think, yeah, but you know what, 498 00:33:54.039 --> 00:34:00.440 check the check the AAA bylaws. I read an I read an article a 499 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.960 couple of months ago the A I A in their rules. Now they have 500 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:12.199 language about n I L and the kids. The kids can get money, 501 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:17.679 but it's not supposed to be about their athletics. Then I L. So 502 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.079 here it is the A I A has already set it up for the high 503 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:29.000 school kids to be paid to play. And then you you have what you 504 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.880 have in Tucson. When I was a kid, the Tucson teams played all 505 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:39.599 the Tuson teams. Now South Point doesn't play any Tucson teams. They didn't 506 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:44.079 even play Studio this last year. I think, well, they played Marana. 507 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.079 The first game was Marana. The first game this year will be Marana. 508 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.519 Well it's, as you said, though, it's changing, and it's 509 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:55.360 changing like right now, right because and only when they when they solve this 510 00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:00.159 issue about you know, the revenue sharing stuff like that, will you know 511 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.000 that all of them are getting money, because right now you're just guessing. 512 00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.360 Okay, we know Caleb Williams was making a whole bunch of money at USC, 513 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.559 so he's fair game to say you suck, yeah, right, Whereas 514 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.519 the right tackle at Arizona. Maybe that's a bad example because I think the 515 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:22.880 right tackle Arizona was doing well. But you know, the center at Arizona, 516 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.840 you don't know if he's getting anything more than his scholarship money, so 517 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:29.079 maybe he's not fair game. But there's going to be a point where it's 518 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.280 like, Okay, these guys are these guys are pros Now they're earning money 519 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:37.599 playing the sport, and that's when they I think they become fair game once 520 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:45.440 they set it up were NCAAA affiliated schools or whatever they call the organization. 521 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:52.519 When they blow up the NCAAA and they put everybody on a wage scale and 522 00:35:52.599 --> 00:36:00.719 everybody that's on scholarship get X minimum and blah blah blah, then it's that 523 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.960 is fair game. Don Let me ask you. I don't we talk off 524 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.960 the area every now and again? What do you do for a living? 525 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.360 If eve don't mind he's asking, you don't have to say, I wor 526 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:14.679 I work on the internet. Okay, Internet, okay, so that's why 527 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.800 it's big enough for me. But would you be comfortable in in criticizing the 528 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.239 kids under your conditions? Uh? And then the kids at the u of 529 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:34.199 a conditions in a role of media take your time. Well, you know, 530 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.039 I think they're fair game. I don't know how much I would want 531 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:51.559 to criticize the malarkey that that price Sock did right before he left for Washington 532 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:58.400 when he posted he posted the screenshot of buying his Arizona jersey, which if 533 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.280 if a bunch of people bought it, he got money for it and then 534 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:07.599 he was out the door. That's fair game for me. You you if 535 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.199 you do. I think if you do crappy stuff like that, I think 536 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.679 it's fair game. I think that's fair legit. That's absolutely legit. You 537 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.960 know, if you do if if you do it that way, if you 538 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:25.400 if that's how you want to do business, then you're fair game. I 539 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.800 think that if if a kid is out there and he's trying, and the 540 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.280 coaches are going to put the best guy that they have available out there, 541 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:39.719 and let's say you have a left tackle that's getting beat like a drum week 542 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:45.719 after week after week, I don't think that's fair game to beat that kid 543 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:52.519 down. But if but if they're out in social media and posting cryptic stuff 544 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.480 and they're asking for it, if they're out there asking for it, then 545 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.719 they should get it. Yea. And people do. People give it to 546 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:06.079 them. Yeah, oh yeah, okay, thanks Tom. And I think 547 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.039 going back to your going back to your mic gun toy point, there are 548 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:13.480 gonna be coaches that go, hey, point that stuff at me. I'm 549 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.400 the one making the decisions. And the thing is is, you know, 550 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:21.559 dude, you know what he's getting paid. He's got to be responsible. 551 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.400 Right. There's gonna be more of that coming up, I believe for sure. 552 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.840 And I think, and I've said it before to you guys, I 553 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.440 think sooner or later, some of this nil stuff is going to get tied 554 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:36.800 to contracts that guys are not going to be able to leave. If you 555 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.440 leave, not only are you giving back your car, but we're coming back 556 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:44.480 for sixty percent of that money of while you were here. Well, I 557 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.719 think that's where we're headed. Yeah, that players are going to have to 558 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:51.280 sign contracts to come to the We're gonna they're gonna have contracts, and they're 559 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.960 gonna have to get bought out if they want to go to another school. 560 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.280 That other school is going to have to buy out whatever's left of that guy's 561 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.000 contract. It'll be interesting the first the first contract like that that comes up, 562 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.920 right, I think. I think I agree with you, don I 563 00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:06.679 think it'll happen. Hey, Don, thanks about you, man. I 564 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.280 appreciate all good stuff. Take care, guys. Delia, what were you 565 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:15.679 talking before you call it? I don't remember I was saying to your point, 566 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.840 blah blah blah, I forget maybe someoney, Oh you're talking about where 567 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.239 the guy where the athletes care about what people say about it? Yeah? 568 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:23.199 Right, right, right? Right? Do they care? Sure? Of 569 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:27.480 course there was something going there. There's that. There's always been athletes who 570 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.880 care, sure, but they've not always reacted right right, Yeah, and 571 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:32.960 then there are fans who go over board, even in house, where they 572 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.559 go yell like uh, Westbrook and all these guys get chip tried it all 573 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.159 year and they just try to get them out of the arena and things like 574 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:44.360 that. I'm not in their shoes, so I don't know people, you 575 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:45.920 know, if we had spectators here and say, Rivera, you suck blah 576 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:51.039 blah blah for the whole hour, Okay, I get it. Yeah, 577 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.159 you know, you get booed, you get booed. You know, hey, 578 00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:57.440 because even that Steve, I've always you know, watching college athletes, 579 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:04.079 I've never been one to boo. I mean, I sentiment and you know, 580 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.360 come on, you know, but I don't yell, you know, 581 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:12.280 come on, No is a terrible throat do that. I don't boom guys 582 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.440 like that, you know, but there are people who do, of course, 583 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.119 and it's very you know, when it happens around me, it's very 584 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.320 distaste. You see it now if you if you're a spectator and games that 585 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.679 have the numbers, well because of the people are gonna start doing that because 586 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:30.639 yeah, well you see it in Vegas where they're covering you know, the 587 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:34.519 the last second, or yelling and they didn't cover in a basket or whatever. 588 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:36.800 You see it more and more. Yeah, no, yeah, you're 589 00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:38.920 right, I mean, and it's gonna yeah, it's gonna trickle down now 590 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:42.320 too, because people are gonna say, come on, I know you're making 591 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.719 four hundred thousand dollars, block that guy. Yeah, you know that kind 592 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.280 of stuff, you're gonna I guarantee you're gonna hear. You're gonna hear a 593 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.039 lot more of that, no, no doubt. Yeah, okay, No, 594 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.320 that's good. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how that how 595 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.679 that develops over time, because you know, we are still most of us, 596 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.800 I'm gonna say most are still in a in a mindset that these guys 597 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.639 are still pretty young. But now when you hear that, you know, 598 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.199 Shador Sanders is making X's door Sanders, you better damn we'll play sure like 599 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.039 you're making X. Sure because it's my money, right, it's not just 600 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.239 my ticket money, it's money that I've given to the program. Sure, 601 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.360 you know, whether you've donated fifty dollars or twenty dollars or fifty thousand dollars 602 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.400 if you I've asked you this already, and maybe a caller you can call 603 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.159 in with us. If you had money, would you give it to the 604 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:36.280 players? And you said, you do what? You don't know? I 605 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.639 know, I know I have the same response. I don't know, because 606 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:43.239 I'd have to be an overzealous fan who's really tied to the school or the 607 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.800 player. But then I'm thinking, I'm still thinking, I don't believe in 608 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.320 what you guys are doing. It's it's it would to me. It'd be 609 00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.920 like anything else. Somebody in the athletic department. He's gonna have to sell 610 00:41:53.960 --> 00:42:00.400 me run giving money and for what which is what they've always had to do, 611 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:04.920 right, Okay, we need this money for the stadium, we need 612 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.280 this money for the locker room, we need this money for scholarships. You 613 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.639 don't know if you're gonna say, well, we need this money because we 614 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:13.199 need to pay this player, because if we don't pay him, we're not 615 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.639 gonna get him. Or I'm like, well that's a roll of the dice, 616 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:19.320 because you even if you get him, how do we know he's gonna 617 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.559 be any good? You know? And I think I think people are gonna 618 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.679 have to be or not. Are gonna have to be Are gonna be a 619 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:32.280 lot more selective? Yes, well, okay, you're Jay and the guys 620 00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.800 still come back with you, Well, you got to give X player. 621 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.000 We want you to give X player x amount of money. And he said 622 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.480 no, but I will give it to the locker room. But I need 623 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.920 to make sure that it's going to the locker right, because when you do 624 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.199 that, there's something tangible that you know you've given your money for, Whereas 625 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.039 if you're giving it to you know, Joe blow quarterback and then Joe blow 626 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.360 quarterbacks to comes to Tucson, he's red shirting, and then he sexually assaults 627 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.519 someone. I'm like, well, what the hell? Right, that was 628 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:06.400 a waste of money. Good luck a and anymore from me, right, 629 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.400 you know. And and that's the kind of thing that you're going to start 630 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:13.480 to see people dealing with, and and and the and the universities are going 631 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.079 to have to be you know, the programs are gonna have to be a 632 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:22.920 little uh careful about how they do that. Again, there's gonna be the 633 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.440 time when they're gonna be sharing the revenue. So everybody gets a paycheck from 634 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.760 the U of A. So that's not that doesn't affect, you know, 635 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.280 because the revenue sharing is from you know, the big pot, and so 636 00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:36.840 you don't know where. You know, well did that pot of money come 637 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.519 from here? Or here? Here? Here? But you know when you're 638 00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.119 talking about, you know, a contribute to our nil collective so we can 639 00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.880 give it to you know, no Fafita or tamac or whoever. Now you're 640 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:50.960 saying, okay, well what if no Ifa goes off and does something terrible? 641 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:52.320 You know, I don't know that. I want to, you know, 642 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.679 have my name connected to that, you know. But no, it's 643 00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:59.320 a different world we live in. And I think that to Donnie's point, 644 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.880 I think, you see, it's gonna be something like that where the contracts 645 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:07.039 uh sixty percent or whatever percentage give it back. If something does, they're 646 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.880 gonna be talking about Wilken. Then I want some guaranteed money. Well didn't 647 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:14.719 you didn't we miss something about two weeks ago when the uh some school in 648 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:19.400 the east said that they're gonna be employees now that they've passed another rule. 649 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.239 Yeah you google it, and so yeah, they're going to be start to 650 00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.239 go where they can be that they can be now whether or not they are 651 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:28.239 gonna be Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I mean it. 652 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.599 It's God Steve Man just figuring all this out. The funny thing. Who 653 00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:36.800 we're all with, Dan, Dan really Uh, we're both near the age 654 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.280 of getting out of this business and in years, right, it's been a 655 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:43.679 few more years. But I'm kind of glad. I'm kind of glad. 656 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:45.639 I love this job. I love this job. I'm sure you do too. 657 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.400 Yeah, but but it's gonna get more complicated than what it already is. 658 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:52.440 It's complicated, and sometimes it gives me a headache. Yeah, you 659 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.920 know, to try and keep up with all the stuff that's going on. 660 00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:00.239 You think about guys like you know, like like Wilner and John Wilner and 661 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.039 uh, you know the national writers to the Canzano's, you know, the 662 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:08.960 Pat forties and Dan Wetzel's and Ross Dellinger who's like this that's his beat now 663 00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:14.199 is all the business stuff, you know, And you think, you know, 664 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:19.639 he's going to congressional hearings and and you know, reading lawsuits and stuff. 665 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.559 And I'm like, that's not sports writing to me. Sports writing is 666 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:27.440 going covering the game on the weeknd going to practice and covering and talking about 667 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:31.199 players and coaches and things. That's sports writing. But Ross Dellinger, especially 668 00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.679 him, you know, who's sort of the you know, one of the 669 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:39.360 you know, more versed uh national writers on all of this stuff. That's 670 00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:42.559 all he does. Now. Does he go to games, Yeah, he 671 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.960 goes to games, but he's going games to cover all this stuff business, 672 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:49.519 right, the business side of all this. You know, Wilner hasn't hasn't 673 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.000 done a game story and I don't know how long, you know, because 674 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.840 he's he's busy doing this stuff and it's become such a big piece of you 675 00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.360 know, covering sports anymore that you're right, i'd be I don't know. 676 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:02.639 I you know, if it was the old days of the newspaper, right, 677 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.239 everybody's got a beat, and somebody said to me, you've got the 678 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.280 financial beating at college athletics, I'm like, no, I want to go 679 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:14.320 cover football, to go cover back. Sorry, got to do it. 680 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.519 Yeah, you know, I mean I I you know, I would get 681 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.599 I got pulled in a few times because you know, over at the paper 682 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:22.360 they knew I was big sports fan and stuff like that. I got pulled 683 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:28.280 into a couple of you know, small projects where they needed a news reporter 684 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.239 voice in it. But also, you know, I had to have a 685 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:37.079 sports you know, a sports writer side of it too, And and uh, 686 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.079 to me, again, that was covering news. That was that wasn't 687 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:43.960 covering sports, you know. I mean I was happy to do it because 688 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.360 there was sports related, but I didn't feel like a sports writer covering that. 689 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:50.440 I felt like a news reporter, you know, covering that stuff. 690 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.320 It's a different voice. Yeah, you're approaching a completely different way. You're 691 00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.239 not thinking about players and coaches. You're you're thinking about whether it's a crime 692 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:05.400 or you know, some sort of an issue that uh, you know you 693 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:07.960 have to do. I mean, the thing that I'm talking about is that 694 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.239 I got pulled in to do a piece where we got ahold of the depositions 695 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.639 from the from the lawsuit by Ben Lindsay against the u of A. You 696 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.400 remember he sued for his for his money in his contract, and there were 697 00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.239 a bunch of depositions that told the story of why he got fired, how 698 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:28.079 he got fired, that you know, the all the behind the scenes stuff 699 00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.920 that went on with hiring Loot. And we did a three part series on 700 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:35.639 that, and it was really interesting stuff because it was like stuff that you 701 00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:37.920 didn't hear. But they all, they had all, they had all been 702 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:42.199 deposed, everybody from Lude Olsen to Jack Rickord, you know the citizen guy 703 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:50.320 who was was covering to uh George Khalill was one of them, you know, 704 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:52.159 people around the athletic and we read all these depositions, and he read 705 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.679 it. And I was in the news department at the time, and I'm 706 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:58.920 reading that stuff like I was covering the courthouse at the time, So I 707 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.800 was reading it like a courthouse. This is got to be the early nineties, 708 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:04.079 lad, It would have been in the It would have been in the 709 00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.239 mid eighties, mid eighties. I remember that. Well, you must have 710 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.039 been just starting the newspapers. No, I started in eighty and seventy nine. 711 00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:14.519 Actuals, Oh really, what were you doing in the mid eighties and 712 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.239 not sports? I went. I covered news up to minute until eighty five 713 00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:22.159 news news, I mean nineteen eighty So you were that was a news story 714 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:23.199 then. Of course, Oh you know what. I might have been in 715 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:27.079 the sports department, but they got me on it because I covered the court, 716 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:29.559 right right. So that's why that's why I'll have to go look back 717 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:31.400 and see when that ran. I've heard, because it wasn't. I think 718 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.239 there's a late eadies because a guy named Mark Turner, Remember Mark Turner? 719 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.400 No, he was no, you know what is backwards? Mark was covering 720 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:43.719 courts. I was in sports. So this had to be in the eighties. 721 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:45.440 It was late eighties. That's why it reminds me of It was in 722 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:50.079 the summertime. Mark was Mark was covering in the federal courthouse. I was 723 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.519 covering sports. But it was it led to that trial that they had and 724 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:55.079 Ben Lindsay got a bunch of his you got a bunch of his money. 725 00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:59.679 But we we wrote about the you know, the depositions were public record, 726 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:02.760 right, We wrote a three piece thing on and it was like it was 727 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.280 the thing from the firing of Ben lin Well, the Ben Lindsay season thing 728 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.280 He's firing and Lout's hiring. Yeah, right, because it was just that 729 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.880 one year and yeah, I said, you're going out to find Luke. 730 00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.360 It's funny, I told you the story. I think I have. Uh 731 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.039 So my book, my third book, the Box Book, in the Cool 732 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.599 Book. It came out with pe do you have an extra? I need 733 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:29.159 one? So for by the price for by price. So that came out 734 00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:31.360 a few months in. I get a call from my publisher. You probably 735 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.719 heard the story. I got a call from my publisher, Steve. We 736 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.480 have a disturbing thing to talk to you about. We got a call. 737 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.719 He was very adamant that there was a fact, that there was a big 738 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:45.760 fact in the book that was totally incorrect. And I'm thinking, pissed, 739 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.119 what could it be? And he says, what could it be? He 740 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:54.960 says, well, it's on page twenty four and you write that the team 741 00:49:55.079 --> 00:50:00.280 was four and twenty four and probably at the lowest point in basketball history or 742 00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:05.320 whatever. Blah blah blah. And I'm thinking, it's true. What's wrong 743 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.079 with that? I said, who would call you on that? Some guy 744 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:14.079 named Ben Lindsay. That's who they said. I said, I'll never mind 745 00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:20.440 forget him. No, that's why he's calling. He's complaining I never heard 746 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:24.239 that. But it was like, who would call and say that? Look 747 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:30.400 that up. It's in the forward And actually, uh, Briden Jeffrey was 748 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.639 part of Brien Jeffery's kind of forward because Sean Elliott did the forward and it 749 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.320 was like, what could have been? What could have forward? At the 750 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.559 bottom of the thing. So who would have called you on that? Ben 751 00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:49.079 himself? And I was like scared of crop. Funny, that's I have 752 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.480 never heard that. Yeah, I do have two of those. I think 753 00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.239 one my wife got from you and got got it signed by Luke, and 754 00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:58.840 then I got another one that same year. That's true because I remember that 755 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:00.760 from my niece. I've got to those things. So yeah, I'll tell 756 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.079 you what, well, I'll have to look it up. I'll have to 757 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:07.840 see what they're going for on eBay. They were going for a lot one 758 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:12.559 time, I know at one point, and I missed that boat, missed 759 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.039 that train. I definitely did. Okay, hey, good show. We 760 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.440 just got a couple of minutes. No more calls. We can't take more. 761 00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.760 But uh yeah, okay again tomorrow Dan Dan Grera was going to join 762 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.960 us. I get get. I want to get a knee deep into some 763 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:30.320 of this stuff about coaching hires and just the atmosphere out there for all of 764 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.559 this stuff, because you know, you hear about seventy seven million dollar buyouts 765 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.920 and you know, uh, and what are you know, what what kind 766 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:39.880 of position are are I mean you, I mean, as you said, 767 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.119 why do you use these and everybody knows everybody. Yeah, you know, 768 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.960 and and apparently you know there's a business to it because people like Dan Guerrero 769 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:51.519 are working for him, right, and then and they are you know, 770 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:57.320 and I'm sure I'm sure Coach X are calling these guys, yeah, saying 771 00:51:57.360 --> 00:51:59.760 hey, hey, get me in there, get me on the list because 772 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:00.800 I'm interesting. Yeah, because that's what these guys are trying to think. 773 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.280 They're there, they got clients, and they're trying to get that highed. 774 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.320 And here's your question to you, your your coach, your ex coach, 775 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.920 right, and I'm the reporter, says, have you talked to any of 776 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:14.760 the schools? Uh? Have you talked to X school about the job? 777 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.239 Right? And you can say no, I haven't, No, I haven't 778 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:22.239 without line, without line, right, because that guy has because exactly, 779 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.679 it's it's it's a it's a big game. It's a game. And I'd 780 00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:29.039 be interested. I'm gonna be interested to see what what Dan says about that. 781 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.280 He's a friendly guy. We had him on once before fun he and 782 00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:37.400 so, uh, well, we'll we'll go through all that. But it's 783 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.280 fascinating stuff is the business of college athletics becomes more and more business. I 784 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.400 mean, we're just talking about how we really don't want to do with that, 785 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:45.119 but we're gonna do it tomorrow, so make sure to stick around. 786 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.400 Dan's gonna be on at three. Was a good show, A nice job. 787 00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.400 Yeah, and thank you Jeff Hammerschmid for keeping it clean. Thank you 788 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.519 Henry for the work today. And we will see you guys tomorrow