WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:34.600 Hello, and welcome to Blurry Photos. I am David Flora and I am 2 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:38.520 David Stacho. I hope you're doing well, and welcome to the padcast. 3 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:42.719 I don't know where that game fro's. That's what it's going to be all 4 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:48.479 night great. So for this episode, we're gonna talk about which is and 5 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:54.640 which craft? That's right, there is nothing more specifically Halloween e than which 6 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:59.640 is their craft the accoutrument surrounding which I would say that the which is the 7 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:03.640 back bone of the Halloween season does the heavy lift. I'll fall in line 8 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.519 with that. I'm fine with that. And we're doing this again for blanktober 9 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:12.879 yea. And if you have a suggestion for what to fill in that blank, 10 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:18.560 maybe something that that's that's punny, yeah, or something that just makes 11 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:23.040 sense. Yeah, that would be awesome. We will crown a king or 12 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.480 queen of Halloween. Whoever comes up with something to fix it, we will 13 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:33.319 declare you to be Halloween Royalty. And not like the Jack Skellington King of 14 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:37.640 Halloween. Was he king or was he just hero of it? Was just 15 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:41.680 like outstanding member of the community. Wasn't even the mayor? Right, Okay, 16 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:45.280 so that mayor head more than one face, right, yep, may 17 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:48.519 or may not that was his name. That's great, that's great. There, 18 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:52.079 they're pretty good. That's pretty good. I haven't seen that in a 19 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.560 long time. I'll have to rewatch that because the season it is, it 20 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:01.599 is indeed, and we are drawing not to hollow miss. Oh yes, 21 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:07.680 sweet sweet hollow miss. How is your costume coming along? Good? Good? 22 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.680 I had a rivet setback, which is a common occurrence, but undaunted, 23 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:16.159 I've gone forward with number six machine screws. Wow. Yeah, So 24 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:20.039 if I knew it that, then I might be more I know. That's 25 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:25.800 how you know I'm not lying. The specificity sells it. So today with 26 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:31.639 the witchcraft and the witches, we hope to enlighten you about the history of 27 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:37.520 witches and witchcraft. And I mean this is witches. We're handling the Himalayan 28 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.280 mountain range of the occult here, so like we're just gonna try to We're 29 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:44.400 gonna give you the basic, the broad strokes of it. We're gonna get 30 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.840 into some some items of current, you know, witches of now versus witches 31 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:54.199 of your true the subject of witches is huge. I mean we could we 32 00:02:54.199 --> 00:03:00.199 could sit here and talk all night about witches and witchcraft and all the good, 33 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:04.879 good goody goodies about it and get into, you know, real specific 34 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.879 things. But we think you look great and you're better than that, so 35 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:12.159 we respect you too much to do that too. We're not going to waste 36 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.080 your time with boring you on on super details. We're just going to give 37 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:21.039 you the juiciest cuts of the ease. Yeah you stole it right out of 38 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:27.319 my house, and the tenderest cuts of lore. I'll try well, we'll 39 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.199 try to hit on some some of the specifics and some good things, but 40 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:34.719 again we're not going to keep you, which I think we're doing right now, 41 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.520 so let's go on and jump into it. Yea, let's do it. 42 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:43.680 Witchcraft, simply put, it's just the use of supposed supernatural and magical 43 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:50.919 powers or spells. There is a stigma, I guess now about witchcraft being 44 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:55.439 something that that is inherently bad, and it was not always the case that, 45 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:00.560 which is we're we're bad or witchcraft was bad. We'll get to when 46 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:05.159 and how that changed throughout history, but in general, whiches are pretty prevalent 47 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:10.960 in most cultures throughout the world, and the histories of those those cultures and 48 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:15.840 just today it's it's fascinating when you look at the history of which is that 49 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.600 you almost want to laugh because there are there's so much to learn that there 50 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:27.480 are really specific definitions of what constitutes a witch versus a sorcerer. Yep, 51 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.920 those are two completely different groups of people, true, And here I have 52 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:34.120 been putting them all in the same bucket. Well, I'll tell you the 53 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:40.560 thing that I've been doing is putting I've always heard, you know, which 54 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:46.639 is a female practitioner of magic a warlock is a male practitioner of magic, 55 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:51.319 so that you don't have male witches, you know, But in researching this 56 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:56.800 stuff, it seems like that's not the case for much of history. It's 57 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:00.720 mostly just the term which can be appli to male or female. And where 58 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:04.560 does wizard fit into that? Then the difference between a wizard and a warlock 59 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:09.120 and a sorcerer, Well, if you play D and D then you have 60 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:14.120 a start on the difference. I do not, sir, I have. 61 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:20.439 Yeah, I'm very in these differences are the matter like as far as the 62 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:25.480 history, as far as people who study the anthropology of this, oh yeah, 63 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:30.360 definitely. And as I said, in most cultures there is a witch 64 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.560 or a which type figure present, though though not always called which. Like 65 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:39.160 you said, you know you have wizard sorcerers. There are shaman's blessers. 66 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:45.600 Even a popular thing. I think in Europe people were called cunning man. 67 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.279 The cunning man put a spell on you or healed or I've never heard of 68 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:53.680 a cunning man hunting man. And I've also never heard of a blesser, 69 00:05:53.920 --> 00:06:01.680 a blesser, look out, blessers common blases common. It kind of sounds 70 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:06.399 like the guy from a pet cemetery. Yeah, blass commons. No, 71 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:11.160 don't cross the road down now they're gonna get blessed. You're gonna get blasted. 72 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.319 Yeah no, no, no pat cemetery. I've never heard of a 73 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.959 blesser, blesser. I hope that they have lisps. It almost it's almost 74 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:23.519 a character from Harry Potter, I think, or something that he uses. 75 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:29.439 I think that absolutely everything we're going to discuss has some reference in Harry Potter. 76 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.800 Sticks in the Potter where there's no way we're getting out of that. 77 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:36.879 That so Harry Potter, Harry Potter, Harry Potter. Okay, now we're 78 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:43.040 done. Like like I said before, they weren't exclusively negative. To be 79 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:48.079 called a witch or to practice healing mostly was what many of these people did 80 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:53.079 throughout history, and they were they were pretty well liked in their communities, 81 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:57.160 mostly because you know, they knew how to cure the sick and treat a 82 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.040 the old tummy ache and you know, just commune with nature, be a 83 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:04.439 nice. Yeah. There's a huge amount of actual for life of butter and 84 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:12.519 scientific knowledge that these people had about roots and herbs and basic first aid um. 85 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.480 And people brought their sick people, their kids to these people right there. 86 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:19.720 You know, it didn't it wasn't always this bubbling miserable caulge or in 87 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:24.600 a fury and and and cats and familiars and things like that. I mean 88 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:28.240 there was These were like the local healers. This is where you went if 89 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.160 something went wrong. You You didn't go to the priests, You didn't go 90 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.399 to church to pray it away. You some owned dude. Well, those 91 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:39.439 people took themselves out of the equation quite quickly. So what what you mentioned 92 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:45.600 before with it not being scientific, that's sort of why the which has this 93 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:50.800 supernatural connotation is because people couldn't explain it, so then it must be magic, 94 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:55.759 right, They didn't have the science to be able to explain why things 95 00:07:55.839 --> 00:08:01.319 happened or why somebody got better after the cunning man of them a ginger root 96 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.759 drink to you know, settle their stomach. So so they just they made 97 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.120 a potion and it was magical and that's what what cured them, even though 98 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.000 it all just boils down to you know, what happens when you put some 99 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:16.920 ginger in your stomach. Yeah, so they weren't always bad guys. They 100 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:20.879 weren't always deonized. When do we turn a corner on that, Well, 101 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:26.480 we turned it a while ago. It's not a very recent corner that that's 102 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:33.960 to be turned. But witchcraft also has been said to be practices that influence 103 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.879 the mind and the body or the property of others against their will, or 104 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.919 to be actions that that deliberately go against a social or religious order. So 105 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:48.480 that's sort of where you can start seeing the roots of where the corner is 106 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.200 turned. When you start going up against you know, the ideas of a 107 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.559 religion that's taken over, you're you're going to come up against some resistance. 108 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.919 Yeah. Once once people start being afraid that your your mind take there's there's 109 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:03.679 going to be some resistance. They and the belief that witchcraft is bad, 110 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:11.480 even somewhat to this day, may be specifically a Christian construct. Now it's 111 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:20.639 not necessarily in stone that because Christianity's influence demonized witchcraft that's why it has this 112 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:26.759 this hugely bad connotation, but that certainly helped it throughout the ages become this 113 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.200 this demonized thing. Well, and the uh, the Christian expansion, the 114 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.720 way that the Catholic Church, you know, utilizes new areas to take over 115 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:41.120 when they expand that they incorporate local belief systems and then kind of take their 116 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.720 time and sort of subvert them. Then yeah, and I think you could 117 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:50.720 see this that patterned with local healers, like I said, shaman um, 118 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.600 you know, even you know Mother Matilda, maybe no one ever just calls 119 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:56.440 her a witch or anything that, like, oh, that's just Mother Matilda. 120 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.480 She lives over there and if if you you need foxglove or digitalis, 121 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.960 you go see her, right. And that's that's sort of what we touched 122 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:13.840 on with the History of Halloween episode with how the church sort of sucked up 123 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:18.240 Sawin and and then they were like, oh, by the way, here's 124 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.879 here's all saints a day right after it, so don't don't worry about celebrating 125 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.879 that pagan So they treated it like fall sweeps, like, oh well, 126 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:31.279 we we too. I understand that your sawin is is Thursdays at seven. 127 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.519 But now we've got new episodes of the West Wing, you know, watch 128 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.480 so so yeah, you're you're right. They they kind of got sucked up 129 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:43.960 into the machine and then just turned into another cog basically, and if they 130 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.279 resisted at all, then they were in league with the devil and they had 131 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:52.559 to be destroyed. The Old Testament's pretty clear on how you handle that. 132 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.159 Yeah, so what does it suffer? No, which to live is in 133 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.919 there in the Old test and also in the Old Testament, which is pretty 134 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:07.200 cool. I thought I hadn't heard of this before. But King Saul consults 135 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.519 a witch by the name of the Witch of Indoor about an upcoming battle. 136 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:15.559 Could it be the battle against the Empire? Yes? King Saul noticed that 137 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.120 there was a second I mean it was too big be a space about a 138 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.559 battle station. I mean had to be a moon, right, had to 139 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:28.879 be a moon. That's no moon exactly, And that's what happened to Mesopotamia 140 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.759 incurred the wrath of the empires, right, the battle against the stormtroopers, 141 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:41.120 that's all bright. So this happens in First Samuel, chapter twenty eight, 142 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.480 verses three through twenty five for those of you. Yeah, if you're falling 143 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:50.279 along in the old Bible, which which you should have for every episode of 144 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:56.080 always have a Bible out before you push play. The Witch of the Indoor 145 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.639 used necromancy whoa which which is the conjuring of spirits of the dead for divination 146 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.679 or prophecy. That's definitely in the bad witch bucket to call up the ghost 147 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:16.440 of the prophet Samuel to let King Saul know how that battle is going to 148 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:18.879 turn out. Um, spoiler alert, it turns out poorly. He dies. 149 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.039 Did he know that ahead of time? Did he know that he was 150 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:24.600 going to die? Yes? Yeah, I mean he was there when the 151 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.879 spirit of Samuel comes up and it's like, dude, you pissed off God, 152 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:35.799 You're gonna die tomorrow, so bye? See h see you sup? 153 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.799 Yeah exactly, Yeah, he knew, and I guess he went anyway. 154 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:46.679 So now see why why would you go find the Witch of Endor ask her 155 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:52.240 to dig up the ghost of a prophet and then not listen to the ghost 156 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.759 of the prophet I have yeah, exactly, And then you get into the 157 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:03.360 argument of where is it fate or people have a choice, and you know 158 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:05.919 what, I get into that argument. I don't know it. Saul is 159 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.720 so irritating that he doesn't even give it the opportunity to go down that Oh 160 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.200 does he does he run across his fate on his path to avoid it. 161 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.360 No, he just hears the the oh, if you go do this, 162 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.080 you're gonna die. He's like, all right, well, what do you 163 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:20.960 know, your ghost, I'm gonna go do it. Yeah. I mean, 164 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.279 if he didn't do it, would have lived the stuff? Ever know 165 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:26.639 this stuff, the stuff that I read, I didn't. I didn't see 166 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:31.799 his reaction to do what the ghost. It wasn't a postgame review. I 167 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.960 can only assume that he was like, Man, if your ghost, I'm 168 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:41.159 gonna I'm gonna fight my own waf man. I don't know why. He's 169 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:46.320 a gangster and got too long ago. See this is my wall, my 170 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.200 action. I'm gonna go in my way. I'm gonna I'm gonna protect us. 171 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.519 Rum Yeah, now out of my way, which of end off? 172 00:13:52.919 --> 00:14:00.840 I gotta clean house? He call me anymore? Wait? It was everything 173 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:05.440 about that was awful and great at the same time, what are we going 174 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:13.080 to do dancing? Shout up yea flappa, which that's awesome. That's see, 175 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:22.639 that's the Bible. We should have the Boardwalk Empire Bible. So the 176 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.360 let's let's talk about the name, which, as as we know at the 177 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:31.559 term which comes from the Old English wicca, which I've heard a number of 178 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:37.200 meanings for the word wicca from craft of the wise or or you know, 179 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.320 yeah, and you too a man who practices magic, I mean, who 180 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.200 knows and you get It's it's easy to get confused because the current belief system 181 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.879 of Wicca takes its name from witchcraft. Again. So so just just in 182 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:56.440 case you were confused by this, the current wick like the thing that the 183 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.000 people that you see in drum circles and at Renaissance fairs, which are awesome 184 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:03.440 them those folks fairly new on the scene. We're going to get to that. 185 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.360 Yeah, But witchcraft, as far as like the word wicca is very 186 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.159 very old. The belief system known as Wicca is very very new. Right, 187 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:16.080 we'll get into that. But just just to alleviate any confusion, yeah, 188 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:20.120 I mean, which is we're more often than not outcasts or kind of 189 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.639 the weirdos of a of a town or village. You know, they were 190 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:31.200 commonly just you know, the disheveled woman that is walking around barefoot, you 191 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.919 know, being loud, proclaiming this and that, or sometimes not not loud. 192 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:39.279 That's probably that. I can't prove that at all. But but the 193 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.200 thing is, But that's it's an interesting thing though, because it is it's 194 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:45.399 usually a sort of an outcast person. Are they raised with this, with 195 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:52.559 this knowledge base about woods craft and herbs and remedies and how you cure fevers 196 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:58.480 and things like this, with a huge amount of other extra not necessarily necessary 197 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.440 editions, but with spirits and fairies and ghosts and all these things incorporated into 198 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.960 it. Now, were these people selected? I mean, because it takes 199 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:10.919 a long time to learn these skills. So were they selected young and brought 200 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.159 brought in over time or as they grew up they're like, oh, well, 201 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:17.200 you got a weird one on your hands. They're working. Yeah, 202 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.240 that's how that's gonna go. Hmm. I don't know. That's a good 203 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:25.240 question. And because it's such a hyper regionalized thing, maybe one village is 204 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:29.360 which is just a crazy woman, yeah, or a crazy guy who lives 205 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.039 out. He's just a hermit at the edge of town and rants and raves. 206 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.440 But you know, you go a mile away and this village is like, 207 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:38.240 oh no, our which is this lady and she was able to save 208 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.360 our baby. Yeah, you know. Yeah, and then that's that's a 209 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:47.759 thing. Since every culture in town is as a little unique snowflake, then 210 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.279 you get all kinds, but they all just basically boiled down to the same 211 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:59.440 base thing, yeah, which is just it's just somebody who who can can 212 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.480 help or they know, like you said, woods craft and herbalism, things 213 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.240 like that, stuff that other people don't know. And because they don't know, 214 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:11.839 they fear it in a way. Yeah, I imagine everyone's terrified at 215 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:18.160 the witches. Yeah. During medieval Europe, this is when you start seeing 216 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:23.279 the rise of some of the worst aspects that's associated with witchcraft and witches. 217 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:30.480 The Catholics, the Protestant Southern secular religious leaders of the day helped vilify witches 218 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:37.039 and they basically sparked a period of fear and violence that lasted for centuries. 219 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:44.319 I mean this is going from at least six hundred years ago. This is 220 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:49.519 going from the fourteenth century to like the eighteenth century, and in some cultures 221 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:53.440 it still goes on today. Oh absolutely, yeah. You still see headlines 222 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:57.519 about people are are killed for witchcrafted parts of the world people. I mean, 223 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:02.400 it's it's it's amazing, yeah, that that does not ended. And 224 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:08.160 the way they helped vilify witchcraft was kind of doing a stereotype of what a 225 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:15.440 witch was generally was a woman old, broken down, crony, you know, 226 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.960 maybe a little disfigured warts, things like that, just somebody that wasn't 227 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.759 pleasant to look at again, you know, disheveled, like I said before, 228 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.559 things like that, someone who knew something that you might not know, 229 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:33.079 you know, and it seemed like magic. And then they go even further 230 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:38.079 to say that which is consorted with the devil, and any anything bad that 231 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:44.240 that might have happened was blamed on a witch, but especially if it couldn't 232 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:48.720 be explained, maybe the crops filled in a in a particular year, maybe 233 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.079 maybe a cow died after you know, somebody got got mad, you know, 234 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:56.720 and had a spat and then just cursed cursed the cow or curse the 235 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:00.119 family or something. You know, it's a spell, and that person was 236 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:04.440 then tried as a as a witch. So they they really fashioned kind of 237 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:11.599 the the stereotypical which image that we have today with the old crone consorting with 238 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.240 the devil, things like that, and was that and that was used primarily 239 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.440 as it was it was a political weapon, Yeah, it was. It 240 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.880 was a way for the local church in a region to focus power. They 241 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.920 could eliminate people who were you know, if if if I if my job 242 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:33.640 is to save souls and to to bring in money and people, and something 243 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.200 goes wrong and they're going to see this this woman at the edge of town 244 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:37.400 or this man at the edge of town, if I can get that person 245 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:41.599 out of the picture, I mean, that's that's that's a it's a political 246 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:45.319 maneuver. Yeah, and it was was broadly employed. And the thing that 247 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:52.799 helped them was it was cross class hatred. Everybody from the aristocracy all the 248 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.519 way down to the to the peasants living on what they could scrape by with 249 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.000 hated witches and knew that you know, if if they suffer a witch to 250 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:04.359 live, than it could cost them their soul, right, And it's and 251 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:10.279 so and that you get this this black market in witches witch hunters. And 252 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.200 yeah, I mean I mean because these people still have these skills. And 253 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:17.599 as much as people will pray, you know, in church on Sundays, 254 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:19.720 they are the ones working in the fields, and when when one of their 255 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:25.000 hands stops working, they will still seek out a person with that medical ability. 256 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:29.440 So these witches don't don't cease to exist right. As a matter of 257 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.920 fact, I would imagine that most of the people who were accused of witchcraft 258 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:36.519 weren't even these people in the village. They weren't the people who were who 259 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:38.319 were the village, which, for lack of a better chick, it comes 260 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:42.839 to that for sure. And that's that's the worst part. That's the height 261 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:48.880 of what happens to the with the persecution of witches. In fourteen eighty six, 262 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:56.240 a clergyman named Heinrich Kramer wrote a little book called the Malleus malth Acarum, 263 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:02.759 which is which was a witch hunting manual for people. It it basically 264 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.839 gave easy to understand instructions on how to identify a witch, putting a witch 265 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:14.359 on trial, the punishment of the witch, and how to set the VCR 266 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:19.720 clock, which in turn made him a witch. And and he was killed 267 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:25.640 board And now we're witches because we know of them, burn us, send 268 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:30.640 us an email, burn us just a gift of a fire that'll do. 269 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:41.240 Oh that's so awful. But this this manual Malus maleficarum, by the way, 270 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.599 means hammer of the witches. Nice, And it's not hammer of the 271 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:49.599 witches, like, oh, witches have this awesome hammer. Man they're like 272 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:59.839 four. It's like the hammer that exactly, like saying the hammer for nails. 273 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.920 Yeah. This book, while while it wasn't officially accepted by churches, 274 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:10.759 it was used by religious officials for centuries basically, and and people people used 275 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:14.880 it. It was a number two, number two most popular book besides Yield 276 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.119 Bible, which I'm which you're looking at, racis a. It's a companions 277 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:23.319 part of the expanded Bible universe, not necessarily canon, but how to pre 278 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:29.480 order your Bible to right. Yeah, but you know what, when you 279 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.319 read the Bible, you're gonna be at the end like, now, how 280 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:36.559 do I go about hunting witches? Yeah? Good news, people, good 281 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:42.160 news everybody. Part of the vilification of witches in these villages and things was 282 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:47.960 taking what was was telling people what tools they used, you know, uh, 283 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:51.240 some of the things to look out for besides the wart and the chrony, 284 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.319 the old chrone looking look in general, one of which our friend the 285 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:03.960 broomstick. Ye, broomsticks were popular for witches, especially you here for them 286 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:08.400 to fly on. Now. They would use broomsticks to fly to their midnight 287 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:12.000 sabbaths with the devil because it was, you know, the fastest way to 288 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:17.200 get there and and they could fly. Why not? Also the broom may 289 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:22.039 have swept away their tracks in the sky skytracks projects. Now I've actually there 290 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:26.680 was recently a series of articles that I read that were really interesting about the 291 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.960 idea of a witch and where we get you know, like, how does 292 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:34.559 how does society arrive at this universal kind of idea of a witch? Sure? 293 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:40.079 And one of the articles I read was about the broom and the flying 294 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:44.160 broom and where that where that whole idea came from? And uh, there 295 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:48.240 was this these these anthropologists in England were kind of tracing it back and their 296 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:53.200 theory is this, and it's fascinating and weird. The the cauldron that there 297 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:59.680 was there was a people who would mix um hallucinogens. They would they learned 298 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:08.200 how to homebrew hallucinogens. They would take these hallucinogens. The women vaginally yeah, 299 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.759 they would. They would apply it, they put on their skin and 300 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.559 they would they would actually in order to administer it, they would actually apply 301 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:23.240 it to an item, in some cases a broomstick. Insert said item. 302 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:29.559 Wow in this and I I cannot emphasize how weird this is to me, 303 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:33.000 like reading this article. But that's then they would they would go on flights, 304 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.640 they would, and so there was the mind Yeah. Absolutely. Obviously 305 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.960 at no point did anyone fly, but this was they were saying, this 306 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:47.680 is where you get that that cauldron, broomstick, flight need that these people 307 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.039 would would would join together, these covens. They would they would have these 308 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:56.319 late night parties where they would cauldron up a batch of of hallucinogen and take 309 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.000 it and then just trip balls. All right, need, Yeah, that's 310 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:04.160 need. And the thing is and the cauldron again is another tool of a 311 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:10.359 witch. The thing is with with these these are household items. These are 312 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:12.960 things that housewives had. These these are things that most women had access too, 313 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:17.519 had used on a day to day basis. So it's only natural, 314 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:22.160 you know, for because the majority of witches that that we're accused of being 315 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:29.000 witches were female. Uh, this these naturally fall into into place I've even 316 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.640 heard pitchworks. Um, we we're used in place of brooms things like that 317 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.519 too, and and and it's and it is. It's one of those things 318 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:40.440 that you see historically over and over whenever you have a list, Oh, 319 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:42.759 these are the things that this group of people that we're trying to suppress have 320 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:47.160 in common. Yeah, nine times out of ten, it's things that everyone 321 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:48.680 has. Yeah, but they're like, oh, look he's got it. 322 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.119 It's like, oh, you know what, we're trying to suppress people who 323 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.200 like television, and we broke this guy's door, and sure enough, a 324 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.880 TV right there got him. I mean, our TVs are different than his. 325 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:03.400 He had the bad kind of you know what I mean. That's it's 326 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.200 one of those those things. Whenever one group of people is trying to persecute 327 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.400 another, it's easiest to pick a commonly found item, yea, yea. 328 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.599 And then then you're then you're going to find what you're looking for. That's 329 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:19.640 how you do it. And another thing that is a common thing with people 330 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:25.319 across the board domestic animals. Yep. And this is where we get the 331 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:30.759 cat. The black cat that was a witch is familiar. Yeah, it's 332 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.480 just a minion. To do her bidding. Also, she could shape shift 333 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.720 into a cat, so a cat may may itself be a witch who knows, 334 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:45.200 which, further I think highlights how ridiculous this is, because no cat 335 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:52.119 will ever do what a human wants, ever, ever, ever. That's 336 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.640 how you know it's a ridiculous thing, right. There were other examples of 337 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.599 familiars as well. Oh thank god, you know that. I mean, 338 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.759 it could be anywhere from a dog to an owl to a horse, pretty 339 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:08.799 much, any any halfway domesticated animal, or do you see them and an 340 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.839 animal within an hour? That's how you're going to nail them. That's that's 341 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:22.200 it. And then the things like wands, candles, complicated knots, herbs, 342 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.960 bones, I mean, almost anything could be traced as as an implement 343 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.200 that a that a witch could use. That article that I read also mentioned 344 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:36.079 the wand the wand yeah, without going back into that, I just had 345 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:44.119 to get that part out. But yeah, a little time device. If 346 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:52.559 you're having fun, then you're worshiping the damil. I should also mention the 347 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:57.000 conical hat, which, yeah, there's not a very clear origin of the 348 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:02.359 conical hat, that type of hat, or or a conical hat in general, 349 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:07.240 It's seen in many cultures in one shape or another. They think maybe 350 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:12.319 it could be from an ancient depiction of the goddess Diana from a coin that 351 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:18.720 they found in Italy wearing a conical hat, and Diana was one of the 352 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:26.480 I think goddesses that that influenced witchcraft a lot in the old ancient days. 353 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.759 Or it could be could be a dunce cap, you know, if they 354 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:37.079 want to to vilify, which is well, they're they're stupid, so you 355 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.880 know, put put them in dunce cap. Has history ever made a conical 356 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:45.079 hat that was considered to be good for the person wearing it? The Chinese 357 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.079 I think they did the rice the rice paddy hats that that they wear, 358 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.480 you know, to protect them. But those are like broad it's charging about 359 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.000 serious point. Maybe you know there's a geometry to that. But because between 360 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:02.319 dunce caps, which is hats plans, send us an email if you know 361 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:08.240 of an excellent historical point he had, Yeah, something that that's actually useful 362 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:15.720 or there's a reason that that is pointy asterisk Pope hats don't count. I 363 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.920 wouldn't. I wouldn't father them under that though, because they somebody was gonna 364 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.640 they're weird, and that's a perspective thing. You like the pope, you 365 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.480 don't like the pope, Let's just take him off the table. That's why 366 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:30.240 I'm saying, it's off the table. It's off the table. Ups off 367 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:37.000 the table. Hello, pumped off the table. The pomps off the table. 368 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:52.000 Fully worked by Dave'steco thunder sound. Yeah, did you like the thunder 369 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.000 sound in the Tesla episode? I love the thunder sound. The thunder sound 370 00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.680 is one of my favorites because it's and it'll get you. It'll get you. 371 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.440 You think everything's all cool, and then we sneak it in there. 372 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:03.440 Yeah. Yeah, because you know, as a matter of fact, while 373 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:11.160 thunder sound, you can't be ready for this. I hope you weren't driving, 374 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.720 Which is back to witches. I should stop laughing now because I'm going 375 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.119 to talk about some some pretty pretty horrible stuff about to get real serious. 376 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.279 Here we go, you guys. Um, we get into the height of 377 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:32.880 the witch scare, the fear, the fear and the ignorance of which is 378 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.599 it's a it's a time at the end of the sixteen hundreds, beginning of 379 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:42.079 the seventeen seventeen hundreds, mostly in Europe, although it spreads spreads everywhere, 380 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:48.920 including America and the American colonies. This is called the Burning Times, and 381 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:53.640 it's just when witch hunts just exploded all over the place. People were people 382 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:59.160 were crazy trying to find witches and get rid of them. It was influenced, 383 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.440 I think a lot, by the Spanish Inquisition, and you know how 384 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:07.039 they searched for heretics and things like that, and you know, and their 385 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.000 methods of torture and stuff kind of kind of bled over into witch hunts. 386 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:18.440 They would accuse a witch or someone of of practicing witchcraft, and they couldn't 387 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:23.119 by law, they couldn't kill them just because they were accused of witchcraft. 388 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.640 The person actually had to confess to being a witch and then they were killed. 389 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:34.160 But yeah, there's there's a pretty astoundingly terrifying butt to this, right. 390 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:41.400 They tortured victims, They tortured them horribly until they either confessed, in 391 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.720 which case they were killed or they died from being tortured to die. It's 392 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:51.400 the biggest damned if you do, damned if you don't. There there's no 393 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:56.960 one gets away from being accused of being being accused. Is the sentence right, 394 00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.799 you know, and one of those one of the classic witch tests. 395 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:01.960 Uh, throw a witch in a lake. Yep, if she floats, 396 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.920 she's a witch, and then you kill her. If she sinks, not 397 00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:12.079 a witch. Yeah, so so terrible. What what I want to know 398 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.640 is, well, how did they go about their daily lives after that? 399 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.880 Are they just like, oh, well, when a witch my bad? 400 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.880 Uh? You you what the partners? Yeah? Is that what they did? 401 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.920 Or are they just like, well, let's ask God to forgive us 402 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:30.200 for killing this person and keep hunting witches. Right? Well, I think 403 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.640 that you were, you were doing God's work and if if, if you 404 00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.240 if, if that person was supposed to live, there would have been an 405 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.319 intervention, something would have happened, Lightning bolts, good points, you know. 406 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:42.720 And I think I think these things gods will like any like. Even 407 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.599 in the colloquial witch hunt, it's it's a mob mentality. There's there's no 408 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:52.160 individual person, uh you know, really arbiting when these things are happening. 409 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:58.079 It's it's people who are whipped into a frenzy by by fear, um, 410 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.039 just by the heat of the moment, doing terrible things and then and then 411 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:06.160 afterwards. I think that like any mob, it's always someone else in the 412 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.079 mob who did it, Yeah, you know, and the one and so 413 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:13.400 all these people go about their lives, maybe a little quietly for a few 414 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:17.000 weeks, until the crops fail again and there's a stranger in town. You 415 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:24.400 know, those those those awful situations that that replay themselves infinitely into humanity's future. 416 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.440 Yeah, yeah, that's badly enough. Yeah, we will continue to 417 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.480 live out that cycle, just with different variations of what scares us. The 418 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:37.240 one one interesting thing I found those in the early sixteen hundreds, England actually 419 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:44.920 did have a witch hunter general or a witch hunter appointed to oversee finding and 420 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.599 killing. And which chief of witch hunting? Yeah, look up the name 421 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:52.599 Matthew Hopkins. Okay? Or is it which? Which finder General? Which 422 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:59.279 finder General? So Matthew Hopkins. Uh. I think this was actually an 423 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:04.720 actual thing that was appointed by the King of Queen. That's amazing. So 424 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.880 he had had the singular job of doing that. But I'm sure he incited 425 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.360 mob mentality. Oh yell, yeah, because you're not going to keep the 426 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:17.760 job of which finder general if you're not finding witches? Which which what a 427 00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:22.599 terrible situation, because if I found myself in a time portal back then and 428 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.840 someone said, hey, do you want the job of which finder general? 429 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.719 I'd be like, that sounds like an awesome job. That's the coolest job 430 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.719 title on earth, I think so. But actually your job is just to 431 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:36.400 torture and kill innocent people. Horrible, the worst. But in all the 432 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.840 while, I mean, these people are whistling because they're doing God's work, 433 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:44.800 that's right. And this last, the Burning Times in particular lasts it was 434 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:49.639 like two hundred years long, and it got to be the worst in France 435 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.639 and Germany. Germany, there were there's there's stories just of of towns that 436 00:34:53.920 --> 00:35:00.800 almost wipe themselves out because everybody's accusing everybody of being which they they killed men, 437 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:06.360 women and children for this stuff. And they they estimate, I mean, 438 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:07.920 you can't know for sure, but they estimate that there were hundreds of 439 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:13.480 thousands of people who died from this, most of which were women, some 440 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:17.760 of which were children. But this brings us then to sixteen ninety two and 441 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:24.400 the Salem witch trials in Massachusetts. One hundred and fifty people are arrested during 442 00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:30.639 this time or imprisoned, and at least twenty four of them were killed and 443 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:37.360 or died from being imprisoned, and points points to the colonies, points to 444 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:43.840 the New World for establishing at least a somewhat formal court. I mean they 445 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.119 were local magistrates and stuff, you know. They Yeah, they managed to 446 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.519 put a lot of spit polish on a terrible, terrible act. And it 447 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:58.880 supposedly started with a couple of girls doing an ancient sort of scrying technique with 448 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.480 a makeshift crystal ball where they had a glass of water and they broke an 449 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:07.360 egg and dropped it inside there, and then they were supposed to see like 450 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.719 who they were going to marry, right, you know, who's going to 451 00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:15.039 It's like those foldy paper four corners things like. That's that's literally what they 452 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.760 were doing. And uh and six months later, twenty four people are dead, 453 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:23.400 exactly exactly. And one of the girls apparently saw a coffin in there 454 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:28.920 and like broke down in hysterics, and and it just exploded from there. 455 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.679 Now that's how what the story, how the story goes. But it stopped 456 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:37.320 finally when the governor's wife was accused of witchcraft, and then it was they 457 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:45.559 put the WHOA, yeah, there there's a thought that the Salem witch trials 458 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.320 may have been a political ploy too, because there was one family in particular 459 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.840 who was accusing much of another family of witchcraft, and and it was it 460 00:36:54.920 --> 00:37:00.760 was pretty one sided in a way. And I'm sure that that's out nine 461 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.280 out of ten of these things. These towns that lose their minds, these 462 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.360 this this is not this is not even a question of religious belief. It's 463 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.519 these are these are it's it's a political weapon, yeah, it is. 464 00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.360 It is a very easy and you don't have to do much to prove anything 465 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.400 because you can just say it. The first person to claim witchcraft wins. 466 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.119 That's It's a simple. It's just a gun sitting on a table, and 467 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.920 the first person to point it and pull the trigger gets to walk out of 468 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.800 the room. Yep. And that's how it happened. Now, with the 469 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:36.800 advent of science, witchcraft and and the hysterics, the you know about it, 470 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:40.280 yeah, really started severely lessening. It got much better once people were 471 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:46.320 able to explain things, and the fear that people felt could start being alleviated. 472 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:51.000 And then, which is worn't weren't so fearful, although you know, 473 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:58.679 still the idea of the witcher persisted, but you didn't have the convenient excuse 474 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:02.360 of somebody put to curse on our crops, So let's go out burn them 475 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.719 at the steak. Right It's where you find out that's where a separation of 476 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.840 church and state comes in really handy, that right there, when the people 477 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:13.440 who are in charge of the burning steaks and the people who are in charge 478 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.719 of finding people to burn are not the same entity. I didn't mention this, 479 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:22.039 but I'm so certain that you guys can draw the parallel between burning at 480 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.280 the steak and the title of the Burning Times. I'm not even going to 481 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:29.280 mention it, not even you didn't even hear that. Nope. So science, 482 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:35.519 science helps out a lot, and the whole witch hunt epidemic dies dies 483 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.760 out finally. But as we mentioned earlier, which which hunts are still carried 484 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:45.360 out today, especially India I read is pretty bad for parading accused witches in 485 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:52.000 the street naked and killing them in Sub Saharan Africa a huge amount of accusations. 486 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:57.440 If the end results weren't so terrifying, they would be hilarious stories of 487 00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:02.679 men claiming spontaneous penis theft. Oh I think I've heard this where yeah, 488 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:08.679 a guy will just hysterically decide his penis is gone and blame a witch and 489 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:12.199 that which is killed. And then he's like, oh, it's back. 490 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.199 I mean it, you say, how, but I mean you have to 491 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:16.519 you know, it's in a lot of parts of the world. You know, 492 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.639 the belief systems rule everything. There is, there's you know, that's 493 00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:25.079 a it's a difficult thing. Uh And and yeah that and even even here 494 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.239 in our lofty perch in the United States, no one calls them witch hunts 495 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.880 because we're we know that those aren't real anymore. But instead will say, 496 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.159 oh, well, you know that heavy metal, you know that if you 497 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:43.280 play it backwards, you're going to get like there's still that that creature's still 498 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:47.519 alive in in Western culture. Um, even though we've put the brakes on 499 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.039 people getting killed from it for the most part, but it still happens in 500 00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.960 abuse of homes sure, um, you know. Yeah, And and it's 501 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.039 it's kind of like that, just the relabeling of stuff, you know, 502 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.079 and then then they can kind of get away with it a witch hunt anymore. 503 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:06.480 It's called liberating America from the tororists. And oh yeah, you know, 504 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.039 whatever whatever label you want to put on it, it's they get away 505 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:15.119 with it the government of I believe it was Thailand. Let's just say a 506 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:22.400 government recently released a book on how to spot the gay kids in elementary school 507 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.880 so that they can be quickly located and removed before they you know. And 508 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:30.480 that's that's right, and that's no different. Now you've got oh, here's 509 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.719 a list of things you have to look out for because these kids are witches, 510 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.800 you know, like it's it's absolutely no different, right, And it 511 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:42.199 all boils down to blatant ignorance. Right. If you can focus fear, 512 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:46.159 you get to consolidate your power and people will play that card through the history 513 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:52.320 until we're finally all robots, and that's coming soon. Hopefully that singularity is 514 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:59.599 right on the horizon. But blurry photos now available to completely in binary So 515 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:10.400 one zero zero one zero, oh program laugh. Does witchcraft exist today in 516 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:14.079 any way, sheet or form. Yes, it does. And this is 517 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:20.119 what we mentioned earlier with wicka modern day pagan religion, that it's it's a 518 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:25.000 nature worshiping religion and the divine feminine and divine masculine. Yeah. I've already 519 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:30.639 gone on the record in this podcast of being very pro old timey witch and 520 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.280 very against new timey one. You don't like you don't like the Wicka. 521 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:40.039 No, okay, no I do not. It's I mean like I it's 522 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:44.760 like saying, oh, you don't you don't like hard metal. But imagine 523 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.320 a new hard metal is just a tambourine, and the old hard metal had 524 00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:52.280 all the guitars, like Wicka lost all the guitars and they just kept the 525 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:59.119 damn tambourine. Man, well, is that vague enough? No, No, 526 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.360 it's pretty. And if you had said a band name, maybe maybe 527 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.920 I'll showing anybody aligne there. No, I just know I I'll tell you 528 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:14.480 what I appreciate, how they they appreciate nature and the forces of um doing 529 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:21.239 good and not worrying about material things. I think. I mean one thing 530 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.480 that I was actually very surprised about. No, my before doing the research, 531 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:30.239 my understanding of modern Wicca that these people were just carrying the torch from 532 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:35.320 from previous pagan beliefs and this is just like these people are keeping a live, 533 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:42.239 very old relief system. And that's not the case. Wicka is barely 534 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:47.519 older than scientology. I mean, it's got like it's like fifteen and twenty 535 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.360 years older than the scientologists. Yeah, it was what the fifties or sixties 536 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.800 that they really started crystallizing what Wicka was absolutely, I mean, and the 537 00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.559 furthest fact they can go is the late twenty es. I mean, this 538 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.440 is a twentieth century belief system, and it is just you know, you 539 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.079 kind of cobble together the things you like from other you know, from the 540 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:13.679 from the classical pagan right people. Yeah, they you know, they use 541 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.920 the pentagram of the pentacle as they call it, represents earth, air, 542 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:21.320 fire, water, and spirit see and then when you put all the points 543 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:25.159 together you get your Captain planet right. Um. But you know it's it 544 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:31.280 is, it is. It is a semi manufactured belief system for people who 545 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:35.679 pre who already wanted to believe in something like that, which is fine. 546 00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.159 I just the one thing that I the one credit I was giving the Wickens 547 00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:43.800 is that they had this this ancient pedigree, this lineage, and my I 548 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.719 was really astounded to learn that that that it is a newer construct. Do 549 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:53.480 you did you see what the the creed or or basically the main thought, 550 00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:00.159 do no harm? You know what I've actually even seen harkening back to our 551 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:06.559 discussions of mister Alister Crowley, UM, which is a do what you will 552 00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:08.840 harm none. Yeah, I saw coming up and do what you will, 553 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:14.159 but harm none. Yeah. So that's that's pretty that's pretty fun. Huh. 554 00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.920 We're getting self referential. Yeah. That means we've arrived, brother, 555 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:23.199 we are we have enough out there that Yeah, so watch this now. 556 00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:27.960 If you'd like to hear more about Alister Crowley, please check out episode zero 557 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:36.159 zero one in our series and block out a lot of time because we like 558 00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.159 to talk about him. Yeah. We've hopefully gotten better about the the editing 559 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:45.920 over ramblings. But but yeah, Crowley had had a big influence on there. 560 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:51.559 Um. I also like they for for their sabbaths, they use the 561 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.599 Wheel of the Year, um, which is it's basically a cycle of of 562 00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:00.400 earth seasons. Uh. And I think there's like there's there's maybe eight of 563 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:06.920 these and a couple of them you might be be familiar with. Solwin is 564 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:12.519 one, Midsummer is one. Do they go with Solon or sam Haney with 565 00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:20.000 Solomon as we referenced in the History of oh Man so good at this uh. 566 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:23.599 And and another one that I thought was cool, Yule is one of 567 00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:28.599 the times of year. Yeah, that they that they like to celebrate and 568 00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.960 gather on. Not that I have a log and the way you think I 569 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.119 do. I mean, I don't know. Wow, everybody has a log. 570 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.960 There's a little uh well Clark w Griswold. Therefore you we'll save it 571 00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:42.599 for Christmas. It's about um but you know we still call it the Yule 572 00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.519 Tide, you know, and Yule Log and all this stuff. That's that's 573 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.039 the time of the year. It's it's uh, it's like saying the summer 574 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.880 solstice or you know, win winter Solstice, things like that. And that 575 00:45:54.079 --> 00:46:00.320 is the last one that's going to sound familiar. Yeah, everything kind of 576 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:01.960 like that's where the wheels fall off the wagon for you. But we're going 577 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.639 to tell you the rest of them. But yeah, I mean that's that's 578 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.719 Wicked. It's it's a recognized religion today and uh yeah, quite quite a 579 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.880 few people celebrate that. Interestingly enough, they just recently in the last year, 580 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:23.559 a Wicked military won the right to have the pentacle on headstones in the 581 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:30.800 Arlington National Cemetery. They've they've recently been awarded the right to have the pentacle 582 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:37.840 on there the great stones. Well you've arrived wicka scientologist take a number. 583 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:45.800 So so that for you is is kind of what witchcraft is about. Yeah, 584 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.159 there's there's there's your primer that's gonna that's gonna get you through anything you 585 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.280 need to discuss at the office. And if you if you want to learn 586 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:57.960 more about mister Matthew Hopkins or the Burning Times or any of that stuff, 587 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.400 look it up yourself. Yeah, or write to us and say we'd I'd 588 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:08.400 like another episode that further focus. Is because I cannot emphasize what a giant 589 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:14.960 bucket of information witchcraft is. Yep, we could. We could spend hours 590 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.199 and hours and hours on any area of it. So if you want to 591 00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:20.360 hear more about it, let us know. Yeah, we'll dive into that 592 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.320 stuff. Yeah, we'll douse it. We'll crack an egg into that cup 593 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:29.039 and look for the coffins. Yeah. So I think it's high time for 594 00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:31.679 some pun. Oh man, I love puns. All right, what do 595 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.159 you what do you have for us this week? Mister? I'll start us 596 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.840 out. So, so we're doing businesses that are witch or witchcraft themed. 597 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:49.280 My first one is a bakery called Fresh from the Coven. I like that. 598 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.960 I like that a lot. All right, I've got one. It's 599 00:47:52.960 --> 00:48:00.400 a discount ritual suppliest were called deal Wicket. I get it. Yeah. 600 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:07.559 Um. Number two for me is a home furnishing store called bed Sabbath and 601 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:12.559 Beyond oh or bed Sabbath in the wand Oh. I like with the wand 602 00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.239 I like the wand even more. I thought I might have to lay the 603 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:21.719 foundation there first. I've got a I've got a product, Crackling Crone brand 604 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.280 Bony hand cream to make sure your hands are as bany and bony as they 605 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:30.559 can be. You don't have witch's hands till you have Crackling Crone hands. 606 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:38.760 We love puns, pounds, pounds, puns, puns. So we got 607 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:44.679 one more, one more email from a listener that's about some superstitions that were 608 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.159 that were pretty cool. Um. One of which is if someone comes in 609 00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.719 the front door of a house, you also have to leave by that door, 610 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:52.920 or vice versa. You can't come in the front and leave at the 611 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.639 back, or come in the back and leave at the front. I do 612 00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:00.880 that all the time from shafted crazy. Huh. Think of all that luck 613 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:05.960 you could be getting if a picture falls from from whence it's hung, there's 614 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.039 going to be a death. You heard of that one. I work at 615 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:14.519 an auction house. Everyone I know is going to die. Pictures fall from 616 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.559 walls, never at all. I just realized. I added that sometimes find 617 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.800 paintings fall from walls. That part has to be deleted. I believe it 618 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:29.639 did a way to kind of act the punishment of or the bad stuff that 619 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:30.960 happens to you when a black cat crosses your path, to have a white 620 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.840 cat cross your path afterwards, that's well, I didn't know about that. 621 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.039 Then. That's why I keep one in a backpack. Anybody sense, because 622 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.639 I've been smelling something, all right. I put a roller skate on it. 623 00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:50.239 Also, it's a roller blade, so it doesn't go there. Young. 624 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:54.119 Um, this one's pretty cool. It's bad luck to hang a picture 625 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:59.960 on a Sunday. Lots of stuff with pictures. Yeah, don't sweep across 626 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:04.079 a doorway at night. It's bad luck. Fun all right? Okay, 627 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.239 Oh, I think the listener says, I think it's something about spirits getting 628 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:12.320 in. Um, how do people get anything done? I know? And 629 00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.360 how do they ever hang a picture? I don't know. Any anything in 630 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.679 the home is bad luck. I think it is a veritable minefield. It's 631 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:30.079 of superstitious torment. Tread care lest you let bad spirits. I think you 632 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:35.559 think we've left let enough bad spirits in tonight. We think we've thank you, 633 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.440 thank you for sending us an email. Please send us a pun. 634 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:46.559 You guys, we we left the witch pun door wide open. It just 635 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:50.559 come on in, root through the cellar, see what you find. Don't 636 00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:55.400 touch the demand rake root Nope, I think, screams Harry Potter, thank 637 00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:12.480 you and hurry, but more fully work that's probably coming through as that might 638 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.559 come out to be a real bad idea of my fully work of smacking the 639 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:20.280 table right next to the mike. Yeah, that's uh, that's what we 640 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.920 got for you for this episode. And next episode is gonna be our our 641 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:29.320 Halloween episode. Man. I hope, I hope that you are prepared yourself. 642 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.719 And if you haven't, start now, it's gonna take time. We 643 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:37.599 uh, we're just we're gonna tell you some some spooky stories. 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