Karen, Yes, do you know how an evidential medium differs from a regular
medium? No? Hmm, well, I'd be lying if I said I
knew what the difference was too. So that's why in this week's episode we
brought in the expert on evidential mediumship. She says that connection to the spirit
world is an ability that lies within all of us, not just the chosen
few, and she's putting her money where her mouth is by teaching people literally
from around the world how to uncover their own gifts and access to support an
unconditional love of the universe. That's perfect for you. Sounds like a good
episode, right, Well it does to me too, because Karen, when
it comes down to it, mediumship matters. I wish I had a winky
emoji in audio form right now. My name is Will and I'm Karen,
and unlike Molder and Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in
a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
meta physical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
joined a coven of witches and wait, you joined a coven yep. All
on the interest of finding something, anything that will prove that there's something beyond
this physical, three dimensional world we all live in. This is the skeptic
metaphysicians, and now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. Anyone else out there having
a hard time clearing their minds these days? Mostly you know by now,
hopefully some of you know that I've recently changed jobs. Well, it's not
actually technically a change, it's different responsibilities. Where I was overseeing just one
territory at work for a long time, now I'm overseeing the entire East Coast,
so that comes with three additional markets I now represent. It's a tremendous
amount of work that's been laid at my plate, and because of it,
I'm having a hard time sleeping. I mean understandably so. In my previous
life, I used to be a perfectionist, and there's still a little bit
of that inside me. It's the fact is I'm somewhat competitive now. I
do like to be successful, and I know all this is ego driven.
I understand that, but intrinsically it's who I am, right, It's in
my fiber because that's how I've been programmed to be. So the fact that
I've got four markets now that I've got to develop, well, that should
give me pause. But I'm driven to be successful. So when I don't
have enough time in a day to work out all the problems and figure all
the answers out and service all the clients that need to be serviced in that
day, when can my mind process all that stuff? Of course, when
I'm sleeping. This means that I'm not sleeping very well these days, as
you can probably imagine, I'd say probably the past few weeks, because my
mind is constantly active. Well, that's also been affecting my meditation practice.
It's very hard for me these days to clear my mind enough to just be.
And the times when it happens, it's glorious, but they're snippets.
They stick around for like ten, fifteen, maybe thirty seconds, and then
I'm right back to thinking, thinking, thinking. Oh, I do what
every mindfulness meditation teacher tells you to do, which is just acknowledge that you're
thinking, release it, and go back to not thinking. And I do
that, and I'm successful to a certain extent, but not as much as
I was before this whole change of work thing. What I'm finding is the
more I focus on the fact that I'm thinking, recognizing that I'm thinking,
acknowledging it, and then moving it aside and going back to not thinking,
well, the more it seems to stick. So the reason why I'm telling
you all this is because I know sometimes it's difficult to meditate or focus on
whatever it is you need to focus on, because we're all super scattered these
days. There's a lot going on in the world, a lot going on
in our lives, so it's understandable, but hey, stick with it.
I can tell you I'm not there yet. I'm still having a hard time
clearing my mind. But I have noticed that the more I stick with it,
the more I acknowledge the thinking and release it and just go back to
trying to just be. The more it sticks, the more it opens up.
And hopefully sometime in a very near future, I'll finally be able to
get back to that all encompassing piece that I had every time I meditated before
all these changes. I have faith that that's what's going to happen, because
every time I do it, it sticks around just that little longer, maybe
a micro second longer, but I feel it. I can feel it.
It's getting longer and longer the peace that I'm feeling. So if you're experiencing
something similar, my advice to you is stick with it. Just do your
ten minutes or fifteen minutes or twenty minutes or thirty minutes, whatever it is
that you do in the morning, in the middle of the day and night,
whenever you do it. And if you don't meditate, I urge you
to do that obviously, to try it, pick up a practice, because
I found that meditation changed my life. I know a lot of people say
it's difficult, it's boring, it's blah blah blah. But if you need
help, there's help out there. There really is. And if you stick
with meditation with a practice over time, you're going to find that suddenly you're
much happier with it. Anyway, if you're already meditating, you're having a
hard time clear in your mind, just be patient with yourself. In fact,
have no expectations of what your meditation practice should be. Allow it to
be whatever it is. If your mind is racing, racing, racing the
entire time, hey let it race, because at least you're taking time to
do nothing but think and let your mind race, and little by little,
if you recognize or realize that you're thinking, go ahead and just acknowledge that
you're thinking, release the thoughts, and then go back to not thinking.
And the more you do that time and time and time again, the more
you'll find that it's easier and easier and easier to clear your mind. Over
time, you'll find the peace that we've all been striving for. I have
faith that that's what's going to happen, and I you the absolute peace that
we all want to find. Okay, off my soapbox, let's get onto
the interview. Hi. I'm Will and Care and this week we have with
us the International Phinomen Hannah McIntyre. Hannah is an evidential medium, spiritual teacher
and host of the Mediumship Matters podcast. Her down to earth, no nonsense
approach to mediumship appeals to people around the world who are looking for easy to
understand teachings delivered with lofts and lots of humor. Sounds like she's right up
our alley, and she works with live audiences in the UK and internationally online
to demonstrate mediumship and to prove the continued existence of the spirit world. We
are excited to learn where this conversation is going to take us. So welcome
to the show, Hannah McIntyre. How are you. I'm great, Thank
you so much for that amazing introduction. Oh I'm so glad you heard it.
We're on a different platform, so we're hoping that things go well.
To bear with us if we have some technical challenges. But anyway, we
had the pleasure of being on your show a little while ago and I had
such an amusing conversation that we could not wait to get you on ours.
Let's answer that first question run off the bat that we touched on earlier in
the show. For those that may not know the difference, what exactly is
in evidential medium? Well, I think lots of mediums work evidentially, but
for me, an evidential medium is somebody that works with proof, proof,
undeniable, indisputable proof of the continued existence of the spirit world. So the
way I like in it, and I know this might be a trigger for
some people from my first answer, but here we go, is that when
you're working with spirit guides and the way that some mediums work and the way
that sometimes I work when we are giving messages or readings, there is that
kind of gray air where you could talk about things that do apply to your
sitter and are true and are correct, but could also apply to lots of
people. For example, you've had a bumpy journey with twists and turns in
the road, but I can see you've been working on your healing and your
energy and now you're moving into a new phase, which could very much be
true and evidential to that sitter, but is also probably true to most sitters.
When you work with evidential mediumship, you are bringing in indisputable proof of
the person you are communicating with in the spirit world. So if you've got
a grandmother that rides a motorbike and smokes a pipe, that is a yes
or a no. There is no Well, I can kind of understand what
you mean by that. She either rode a motorbike or she didn't. So
that's where I think evidential mediumship differs from other kinds. Well, that is
right, bear Alley. He is always wanting the proof, even when it
kicks him right in the vase, he still doesn't see it. So this
is perfect. I was just going to see, this is going to be
a fun conversation because you know you have you we've had mediumship readings before and
things like that, and it's like someone in the room has someone with the
name of a start to a letter m could be a Mark, Mike,
mother, Mustafa, it could be anybody, right, So it's exciting that
you deal with evidence. Why would someone who's a medium not then be evidential?
Like why wouldn't every medium do that? Is there? Does it call
on the question some folks? I know this is kind of controversial. Um
wow, what a gentle start. We're having this podcast of my own creation
when you're getting me back for coming on mine. Now I see how this
goes. Indeed, But the journey for evidential mediumship is hot and it's brutal
for want of a better expression, because you have to be in such a
vulnerable space to commit whole artedly to the exact specific thing that you are getting
that it is a vulnerability and it brings up a lot of your human There's
a lot of that voice going on in your head all the time, going
what if you're wrong, You're going to look like an idiot. You stood
in front of a hundred people right now, you're making this up, you
absolute task, And so it's trying to find the strength to follow that path.
So I worked with spirit guides and stuff like that for stuff like that,
Sorry, spirit guides. I work with spirit guides for seven years before
I moved into evidential mediumship, and it was still such a trigger for me
being in that vulnerability of offering something to somebody that ultimately was a yes or
a no. The very black or white nature of it does make it difficult.
The other thing that I just want to say about evidential mediumship, which
is what makes it hard, is if mediumship worked the way that we all
imagine medium shit working from watching it on the TV, from watching Ghost Whisperer,
from watching medium where somebody in human form is speaking to a spirit who
is speaking back like I speak to you, then there is no excuse for
anything to be wrong. It should all be one hundred percent right. But
of course that isn't how it works. People in spirit do not have voice
boxes. They are not speaking to us. They are sending an energy to
us which we are interpreting, which is where it becomes difficult. Because when
you say to people I'm in evidential medium they say, great, tell me
my NaN's name in her date of birth, which would be fine. If
they could speak, because if they could speak to me and I hear them
like I hear you, then that would be expected. But it's more like
playing energetic charades. I'm sure guests on your podcast have mentioned that before.
They're sending information, sometimes pictorially, sometimes in feelings, sometimes in words,
sometimes in knowing, and you're doing your best to inter that. So it
is evidential, but it's not like reciting somebody's CV and then you just know
what they did and how they did it. It's not quite the same.
Does that make sense? Yep, it does, And that is such a
great explanation because I ask all the time, how do you know that that's
not you? So finally I really like the way you explained it because I
I'm just not getting it. Could any medium become a god? I can't
think of the word evidential, thank you. I'm like, experiential now become
an evidential medium. It's like they kind of stab themselves because it's too hard.
Or is it really only just certain people that are able to tap into
that deeper place. I believe it's anybody. It's bloody hard work, though,
so I understand if you don't want to. I knew if I knew
what I know now when I started, I can't say in wholeheartedness that I
would have followed the path because there is such a lot of pressure and it
is so difficult, and it is so all assuming, and it is constant
evolution and analysis and looking at what you've done, was it good enough?
And why didn't I take that further? Why didn't I trust into this bit?
Why didn't I do that bit? So it is a pressure, but
yeah, I believe that anybody can do it, and it just it is
about being willing to put yourself in that vulnerability. And you're right with what
you said, Karen. It does feel like it's you. It does feel
like you could be making it up. It does feel fluid, flimsy,
ethereel. It doesn't feel like it is anything other than just you coming up
with something that might be absolute pile of hooey, And so you have to
learn to trust into that, unfortunately, and it's tough, it's canny hard.
Yeah. So have you ever had an experience where you're trying to do
these spiritual charades as you call them? You know, sounds like you know,
and I almost said charade, but any wanted insult her by like maybe
I'm trying to you know, know anyway in the seat we see your reads,
but so have you ever had a point where you trying to decipher what's
coming through in the sitter? And by the way, we should clarify that
for the audience, I may not know a sider someone who you're reading for,
right, who you're who's asking the questions that the sitter says, Oh,
this is a bunch of crab, right, like what what is your
success rate? And something like this. Oh, it's really interesting because it
is a three way and I always have to make this. I talk about
this this is a family show, family show, Hannah, but it is
it is a collaboration. So because it is an energetic experiment, there is
the spirit who is always in alignment, and then there is you is the
medium, and there is the sitter, the person who's receiving the message and
the energy is a collaboration. And what so many people spect is for you
to instantly get into that deep blend, instantly be able to pull the most
specific, amazing piece of evidence out of the hat instantly, And it is
actually a process. So what can happen is at the beginning when you're saying,
I've got a grandmother here, and I know she liked baking, everyone
in the audience goes because it didn't like baking, to the grandma's out there
who don't like baking. Right, It takes all kinds, but there are
lots of grandmas will like enjoy being but you would rather have the one that
didn't as an evidential, then you would have the one that did. And
I say that with two grandmothers in spirit who are both bakers. So it's
that thing where people have to allow you as the medium to get into a
deeper blend. It's not instantaneous, and it does have an ebb and flow
to it, and that ebb and flow is the result of the energy that
is created in that space. So it's partly how the medium feels and partly
how the sitter is responding. So it's a great irony if you come to
a reading closed off, with your arms folded and that go and then prove
it kind of energy. It actually makes it harder for the medium to be
able to do it because you're not bringing your energy into the mix. So
I do believe you should be skeptic. I do believe that you should be
questioning, but you have to also be open and willing to go on a
journey with the medium, and that can be the hard bit. And yes,
sometimes in readings, because it's normal, we get nose. I get
nose all the time. And when I first started working with Spirit, I
was like, right, oh, no, I'm with you when I get
nothing but yeses, and this is glorious and magnificent and it looks like what
I see on the TV, which of course is highly edited. And when
I'm going out I know who to guess. When you go out there and
people say no, it used to feel like someone had stabbed me in the
heart and I'd be like crushed, whereas now I okay, Because sometimes it
can be how I'm describing it, the language that I'm using, the words
that I'm using. People are not quite understanding the same meaning behind a word
that I understand, and that can be a no. Sometimes they've forgotten the
number of times people have said no to me in the moment and then messaged
me afterwards and gone, oh my god, I've just realized. May I
share a story about that? Of course? Yeah, we get a story.
Okay. So I had a sitter that I was working with one on
one and I was talking to her about her mum's ashes. I knew her
mother had been cremated, and I kept saying, there's a rose, there's
a rose with her ashes, and she was saying absolutely not, no,
no, no. And at the end of the reading, she said,
the ashes were completely wrong, Hannah, because we haven't spread them yet,
We've only just got them, so there's no rose connected with her ashes.
And I said, oh, I don't know what I was seeing. I
really felt like there was something to do with a rose. The following day
she sent me a photo the container the ashes had come in from the crematorium
had to rose up the front. Yeah, I know, but in the
moment she was absolute, hard, complete No. I don't know what you're
talking about. Absolutely not. So as an evidential medium, sometimes you can
get it wrong, but also sometimes you have to allow your cities to go
through a process to understand it. So it's it's tough, right, Wow,
talking about really kind of taking some time to get into that state so
you can can do these readings. And what is your take on those mediums
that you hear about better in the grocery store and they see some guy buying
some potatoes and they're like, your mother has a message for you. You
know your allergic to potatoes or whatever? Is that real? And for those
who are only listening to the show, you did not see Hannah's reaction.
Just now in spoke volumes, right. I there's different frequencies that you can
work in as a medium, and this is one of the things that spirit
taught me that nobody was talking about, and when I was on my journey,
I didn't understand. So not all mediums work in the same frequency.
And if you are working psychically, which to me is energy to energy in
this physical space, so it's not communication with spirit in the spirit world.
It's working here. It's reading energy here. If you've got somebody that you
go up to and psychically read their energy, you can do a passable spirit
link because you can feel who they are expecting to hear from in their energy.
But it doesn't mean it's a spirit communication. It's a different thing.
And so I think for a lot of those and I'm not saying all of
them because I haven't done enough study to be able to say anything conclusively,
But a lot of the time I think those people, they're working psychically,
and because we know that a lot of them are set up, they are
stooges in the grocery store, they're not so they know they're going to get
something. And of course, if you're going to see a medium or you
know you're going to get a reading, you start thinking about who you might
hear from and what they're going to bring through is evidence. So in your
energy field, because you've been thinking about it, is a lot of information
about that spirit. So you can pick that up as a psychic and bring
that through. But it is not the same as the altered state that you
need for evidential mediumship. Okay, well it does, yes completely. Yeah,
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about how someone could maybe tune in or tap into their own gifts, and
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and listen now and now back to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome back to the
Skeptic Metaphysicians. We were talking to Hannah McIntyre, who is an evidential medium
all the way from the UK. She has joined us today to talk to
us about how we all can tap into our own spiritual guidance. We've had
an amazing conversation so far. Hannah and I know that we got you on
a little bit of a hot seat right off the bat. So we're gonna
now kind of give you some softballs, right, because this is what you
do, right, You help people to tap into their own spiritual guidance and
thing. You believe that everyone can do this, So walk us through it.
How can Karen and I start to listen in and hear messages from the
beyond? Okay? So first of all, for me, it's the understanding
of where you want to work, what energy you are working in, the
frequencies like I was talking about earlier. So so many people think that we
just sort of open up and spirit control what we get. But I believe
that we are like radios. We tune into a particular station. So it's
our job to know which station we're tuning into and where we want to work.
So if you want to get a message from spirit guides, you would
set that intention. I want to be working with spirit guides, and naturally
your energy will move into the space that it needs to work with spirit guides.
I want to provide proof of evidence of loved ones in the spirit world,
your energy will naturally move into the evidential frequency. So it's about knowing
the difference knowing when you're in psychic knowing when you're with spirit guides, knowing
when you are working evidentially, and then it is a case of trusting that
whatever you get, no matter how random, how weird, how out of
context, go with it. And one of the things that I'm really passionate
about is momentum because that is what creates the great blend. So when we
first start working with spirit, we say I've got a dad here, and
then you go, is it a dad? I feel like it's a dad.
What if I'm wrong? What if it's not their dad? I better
not say dad, I'm not sure if it's dad, by which time we've
stopped the blending process, it's not happening because we've just held that first piece
of evidence and we're second guessing it. So I always say you have to
imagine yourself as a bit of an infection, and the longer that you hold
on to stuff, the more you infect it with you. So if you
want to work in evidential medingship, and it works in spirit guide frequency too,
the best thing that you can do is say what you are getting as
quickly as you possibly can, often without even really understanding it. Yourself,
and as you do that, you will build a deeper blend with that spirit.
So my view is at the beginning you should be bullet pointing evidence very
very quickly, not getting hypnotized with what you're seeing, not trying to find
the story in it, but very much. I've got a grandmother here,
and I know she's a big personality. She's very loud presence, and I
need to talk about her here, having real pain in her hips, and
I know she passes of a heart condition. I do feel that she's been
in the spirit world for about a decade, if not longer, and she's
joined in spirit by her husband. But you want to be quite quick with
all of it because that is how you start that blending process. And then
you want to be moving into a space where you can allow things to slow
down once you know that you're blended. And so it's always about being mindful
of where you feel that tipping point in the blend is that's going to give
you what you want, gotcha? So, Karen, I think we found
our episode title Humanity is an infection. Oh, Lauren, I've dated some
bacteria, that's for sure. I'm sure you meant to z before will dated
just clarify, right, So it's almost like free association, right, it's
what I'm hearing, or just letting things flow and not attaching yourself too much
to it in order for the message to come through. Now, do you
have to put yourself in a certain mindset before something like this can happen?
Or does it happen to you all the time? It happens instantly. I
do not believe in preparatory work. Now. I do believe in a generalized
preparation of your own energies. So lots of people meditate. If meditation works
for you, fantastic. But the biggest and most important thing to me is
that you spend a bit of time with yourself. Lots of people find spirit
when they're wanting to escape themselves. But actually, if you can't sit and
be with you, as soon as you get a space to open up to
spirit, you're going to fill it with yourself and that becomes the problem.
So there's an inescapable self awareness and self love that has to be there to
be able to move into that vulnerability of evidential mediumship. So often people say
to me, what's the first step? And I say ten minutes by yourself
every day, not doing anything, not scrolling on the internet, not trying
to meditate and escape the physical, just being present with you, and everyone
goes, oh, that's really boring. I don't think everyone can do it.
Well, yeah, I have been trying to get him and to be
bored every once in a while. It's okay. Where you live in an
ADHD world, right, we're constantly bombarded by stuff all the time. It's
like an addiction. So then when something you have to force yourself to do
that, it's almost impossible. It's really hard to just do nothing at least
when when I have nothing to do, I'll try to meditate, but you're
seeing, don't even do that. Just sit there, Yeah, don't try
and escape. So many people meditate to escape themselves. I'm going to go
off now and I'm going to escape all of my problems and all the parts
of myself I don't like, and I'm going to float around in the ether
and it's going to be lovely, which it is. Yeah, I'm saying,
don't meditate, but you also have to be in your human present with
you. What is your body saying to you today, what is your mind
saying to you today? What emotions are rising within you, what memories need
you to sit with them and be with them so you can put them to
rest. And that is the problem. Spirit aways show it to me like
a giant chalkboard, and all of our stuff is written all over it.
And when we want to communicate with spirit, they will always find a space
to write on the chalkboard. But if you want to really hear them and
really be aware of them, you have to have enough space on the chalkboard
for them to be able to write bigger. So it's as if they're trying
to be seen within all of the noise of everything that's going on with you.
So if your chalkboard is rammed full of your to do list, things
to do, your worries, your concerns, this, that, and the
other, they will write on it, but they might be writing in the
space in a letter A, and it will feel really small and insignificant.
The more space there is in your energy, the more you can receive from
spirit. That makes so much sense. I really the way you explain it
is perfect. And that also makes me think that it is that instant gratification
of scrolling or whatever. But I think it might subconsciously be a culture of
avoidance, avoiding those negative thoughts or those sad feelings. Maybe that's if you
look at it that way, will maybe it'll be easier. I mean,
for me, honestly, truth be told, it is just really boring.
It's just I can't just sit there for ten minutes and do nothing. But
Hannah, you're seeing things that I've read I've heard many times. Right Eckhart
Tootles talks about it in depth about just being in the moment and just doing
nothing. Nil Donald Walsh in conversations with God. God told him about the
importance of doing that. I mean, it's all these different teachings that we
get, but it's so much easier said than done. I guess it's just
a matter of having the discipline of just doing it. Start smile. Start
with a couple of minutes, absolutely, Karen. I mean that's the same
with the meditation. I'm sure when you started your journey with meditation, if
you'd said forty minutes, come on, you'd have got fidgety six minutes in,
how long has it been this is going to? So yeah, start
with a minute. And always I always have my list next to me because
my brain is an ADHD type brain. It's very active, which is actually
good for mediumship as long as you have enough space. So I actually think
part of my superpower is the fact that my brain works quickly, is the
fact that it's busy. So I always have that. So when something comes
up, like you didn't take the food out the freezer for dinner, or
you forgot to pay that bill, or you forgot to send that birthday card,
I've written it down. Well, it's otherwise I'll spend my whole ten
minutes going, don't forget the chicken. Don't forget my chicken. You are
so speaking to me right now. Even in meditation sometimes it's like I can't
focus my mine. If I don't like force it into my head, I'm
gonna forget it when I get out of my meditation and I'm gonna be like,
what was I thinking about? What was so important? I gonna do?
That's so smart? Yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna start doing that now.
Yay, write down stuff that's right, not just sit there. I
might try, but you know, we'll see. I know I know the
importance of it. I do, Hannah, I would be remiss if we
didn't take a few minutes to talk about your show because I listened to it
all the time. And your show is interesting because you do different episodes of
different topics, right, so you do you share different mediumship readings on your
show. You also do readings for the coming week. You do different things.
Every episode is different and I love that and it's fascinating because it's not
your typical metaphysical spiritual podcast. So how did you decide to launch this show?
First and foremost object right about that? You were expected? No,
but I love it much fun. In the UK, we have some very
very famous mediums with big followings, and I was watching one of them do
a Facebook live and I thought, this is amazing. They've got a million
followers. I cannot wait to watch this. And then, with no shame,
no bat of an eyelash, just absolute, they said, your loved
ones in spirit are drawn to the energy of shares on social media. If
you want your loved ones to come through, I need you to share this
to build a bridge to the spirit world. Oh my god, yeah,
and I of course, yeah. It was just such a manipulation and I
think spirit just I know, we like to talk about the light and love.
But I also do feel that anger can be a fascinating motivator if we
don't cut ourselves off from the emotion as judging it as bad. It's not
great when you want to go key your neighbor's car because they keep parking in
front of your house, but it is a useful motivator. Unless you want
to key you neighbor's car, then anger is really useful for that must day.
But I just couldn't let it go, and I was going to bed,
and I was furious, and I was thinking, somebody needs to tell
everybody, all these people, that these vulnerable people. And I kept imagining,
you know, a mum whose son has committed suicide or something really horrendous,
frantically sharing to try and get hold of their son when that isn't how
it works at all, and she could actually learn to communicate with her son
and feel the presence of her son for herself. And it was almost like
spirit just laid this gauntlet down and they said, okay, you're going to
get this wound up about it, you do something, And I said,
well what can I do? And they and the podcast came to me,
so I thought, oh, well, no one will listen. It'll just
be me getting on my soapbox ranting about stuff, and it just expanded.
So I mean I saw somewhere your your top ten show in Spiritual. That's
fantastic. Congratulations. Yeah, that's huge. We're hoping that, you know,
but rubbing shoulders with you, we'll get a little, a little that
magic on our show. Kidding right, right? I heard spirit Loves Share,
so bye. So then who would you say that your show really would
appeal to. Who's your target audience? Oh, that's an interesting question.
I think it's anybody that feels like there is more. But it's not expecting
me to have all the answers because one of the things that I feel is
really important is the acknowledgement that we evolve, and as we evolve in consciousness,
our understandings can change. So you can have something that is true at
one level of consciousness, and then as you expand into another level of consciousness
it is a different but also true. Both things can be true. And
so for a lot of my podcast, it's exploration, exploration of things that
I've experienced and seen and discussion why is that? What's going on with that?
Because healthy discussion is a collaboration. It's two different energy points meeting where
we can learn from each other. And I think that's something that's really missing
in the mediumship teaching that I received when I was a king for teachers,
it was very much this is how it is. And when I would say
but why, they would say, we don't ask. This is how it
is, this is how it's always been. And so I actually like the
why. I like the mechanics. I like the unfoldment of understanding things like
spirit not having a voice box. No one ever said them to me,
but it's so obvious when you know it, why it works the way it
does, and so things like that that's what it's all about. I got
to ask the question because I'm sure a lot of people out there are curious.
How you came to know all this information? How did your abilities,
for lack of a better word, how did they come to you? How
did you realize that you were an evidential medium? Oh right, well,
it's just a journey. My friend, I was a po to music school
mind in my own business, and one of my friends came in and just
when I've got your granddad here, and did a spirit link with my granddad
and I knew mediums existed, and even though I missed my grandfather desperately,
it never occurred to me to go visit a medium. It was not something
that was part of my experience, my understanding at all. And then she
did the spirit link, blew my mind and then said, oh, yeahould
come to my group. So I went to her group thinking that I was
going to watch other mediums work. I thought, Oh, I cannot wait
to see different people getting messages. This is going to be amazing. And
when it went round the group went your turn, I was a bit like,
excuse me, what, No, I'm just here to be in the
audience. This is not for me, and they said, oh, yes
it is, and that was it. It just started and that was a
spirit guide circle. So I developed my connection with spirit guides, did raiky
qualifications things like that over a period of a few years, and then evidential
mediumship. I just kept thinking, I wish though that I could communicate with
people's loved ones in spirit, but that's not how my gifts work. That's
not my journey, that's other people's journey. If I could do that,
I would know that I could do that. And a spirit kept going give
it a go, do a course, try, and I kept going no,
No, If you wanted me to do it, I would know it
by now and I would consent from that. And one day I just said,
Okay, blow it, signed up for a course and started. But
I have to say most of my learning has come from spirit guides teaching me,
and that is as simple as asking the question and allowing the answer to
come. All of your listeners will be able to get information to help their
expansion and spiritual growth if they ask the question and allow it to unfold.
It might not come back instantly, it might not come in words, but
it will rise in you as a knowing. There will be something that comes
across you on social media or something you read that is a piece of the
puzzle. And if you stick with it and you allow it to unfold,
and you don't expect it to be instantaneous, you can do all of your
unfoldment yourself. Well, you've heard it here. If you want to be
able to do this to yourself, Hannah I heard from the Grapevine can help
you, so reach out to her. We'll add all of your links on
our show notes. So just go to skeptic in povision dot com and go
to her episode page. You'll see her website, link her Instagram or Facebook
or TikTok. Every possible way you can reach out to Hannah will have on
there, so it's eaty for you to connect now. Of course, Hannah,
I would be again on one more time if I didn't at least say,
do you feel anything coming through for us or for anyone in our audience.
If you don't know worries, we can always edit this out. But
I'm just curious because you know, do you have the expert on here with
us? Okay, right, let's give it a go. So straight away,
I'm aware of a gentleman in spirit here and he feels like Dad to
me. So I know that Dad passes to the spirit world, and I
want to talk about him passing very very suddenly into spirit. I do feel
this is respiratory. There is a pain in the chest. It's very fast
breathing. I cannot catch my breath. I move into spirit, and I
know that that is sudden and unexpected, and I know that it's unexpected because
I know that people are unable to say goodbye to him. So I can
feel him coming straight in with this acknowledgement that this was missed. And I
do want to talk about the name Peter in connection with this gentleman. So
I feel that I've got a Pete or Peter in spirit here. He would
have passed in his early sixties. Forgive me if it's late fifties, but
it's around that kind of age, and he would be a father figure.
So I feel like this is somebody's dad coming in here. And I know
that he has three daughters that he wants to acknowledge and they would have missed
his passing. So if that resonates with anybody, that would be amazing.
Let me just's I feel that he passes at home alone and is found unconscious.
Wow, So that is okay, I'm very aware of him. If
you are listening to this show right now and this resonates with you, we
would love to hear from you. I know Hannah would love to hear from
you. So let us know, because that to us is fascinating. Yeah,
and so it's absolutely would you like me to have a go for one
of you two? Yeah? I think probably the person that you would probably
connect with the most would be someone from Karen side of the family because I
still have lots of mine. Yeah, anyone that hasn't gone, an early
warning never happens. Just to be Okay, let me have a look for
you, Karen, right, Karen, let me just we're going if you've
got grandma and spirit here, Karen, that I want to acknowledge with you,
you would understand grandmother? Yeah, okay, it's better when I get
with interaction, So I'm gonna ask you questions else that. Get ready,
hold onto your hat. Okay. So I've got Grandma stepping forward here.
Now, I do feel that she's been in spirit for quite some time.
I'm looking at somebody that would have passed over a decade ago. She's been
gone. Would you understand that? Yeah? Okay? And she is obviously
joined in spirit by her husband who's with her too. So you've got grandma's
spirit and her husband also there. Yes, okay, let me just feel
into this, right. So these two would have been together for a really,
really long time. I feel that they have been married for eons.
We're looking at sort of fifty years plus here for these two together. Does
that make sense? It does? Okay? Good, And she's also making
me aware that she would have left. You've got a ring of hers.
Okay, well no, but I have two different grandmothers in the same situation.
Okay, that's fine. One of them has a longer marriage and one
of them gave me her ring. Oh Buggerette, let me just win out
not having this there of me? Two sex okay, right. One of
them is married to a gentleman who wears a uniform, who would have won
a uniform? Do you understand this? Yes? Okay? Is that the
one with the ring? Both? Right? I was very close with both
of them, so maybe they're both here. Yeah. Sometimes I get battling.
The nan NaN's are the worst. I'll be like this spirit though,
it's just something that they do. Right, this couple come in. I
feel that there's an acknowledgement here from them if they would have been around you.
I know this might be both. Bear with me, we'll get more
specific. This is how it builds. So I can see that they would
have been around you a lot in your childhood. It feels like you would
have lived near them, you would have been in and out of their house.
It feels like there's a real closeness in your family with them, so
regular contact. Does that make sense? Okay? Yes, still showing me
this a ring? Okay, bear with me. I feel it going on
to my finger. It feels like it's important. She's very stubborn in her
When she knows something, she knows it and she's immovable in it. And
I have to say that with her too. Okay, Okay, bear with
me one sec right. Would it have been herring or airing that she gave
me? Ah? Okay, I don't know. I can just feel a
ring going onto my finger, So bear with me. As I blend with
them, we'll be able to get it deeper and get a bit more information
for you. Let me have a little look here where I want to go
with her? Okay, right. I feel that there is a photo in
the family of these two together on their wedding day, which is still kept
and is sacred because I can see them both standing there in time and he
would have won his uniform in the wedding photo. Do you understand this?
I don't know. Okay, let me just get hold of them properly again.
Then right, there is a photo of the two of them. They're
still to side by side. I feel like I want to be in front
of an archway. I can see them both, and I know it's important
because I know that's how they stand in front of me right here. Let
me just see what else she wants to show me, and I'll build some
power with her. There is a right she's showing me a your connection with
family tree? Do you understand your grandmother really researching or looking into a family
tree? Because this feels important to her. She's very, very proud of
her family and her roots and knowing the information, and I feel that this
is something that she would have spent time on. She would be sharing and
talking about it. This feels important, and I do want to acknowledge here
that she's one of four? Is it she want to foward she have three
siblings? I think she had. I think she was one of four.
Yeah, give us four. Okay, you'll have to look and have a
look for me, because I feel that she's showing me this sort of plotting
backwards and alongside her. I can see four like notches on a family tree.
So I want to acknowledge that because there is a feeling of family being
important, following it back being important. And would you understand that she had
a sibling that passed many years before her, Yes, like many years,
because I feel that she's wanting to acknowledge that they're together in spirit and this
feels important to her too. Okay, do you understand a connection with the
name Mary or something that would sound like Mary in the family. I don't.
Okay, let me just keep going with what she showed me about the
names. Does the picture have to be a wedding picture because there wasn't.
It was very prominent of my grandparents. Okay. Do you know if there
was an archway behind them in the picture or something that would be um,
maybe a fireplace below them, below them? Okay, there's something up here
behind them. It's it's really interesting how you receive it and you're trying to
perceive it. But let me just keep going here. No, I need
to interject for just a qui quick second. The whole Mary thing in Spanish
is Maria, right, Yeah, I don't know any Mary is that without
that too, other than your cousins, your myriad cousins who all have the
name Maria. Oh, I was thinking of my grandmother's family, like her
family, right. So what I was going to say to you, because
I think we went off on a little deccare, is if you look back
on the video, you will see me going because I was trying to work
out she was taking me two generations below her. Okay, so that would
be right for cousins. I'm not just saying that my fingers, because I
was going on her below her, one more below her more Maria, but
they I'll go by their middle names. So that's why I didn't think about
that either Maria something, and they go, I'll go by to something.
And that's why I interjected because I it connected with me right away, and
I didn't want to let that go because I know exactly I know which grandmother
you're talking about, Like I knew right almost right away. You know the
picture. I do know the picture, and I know I do know the
family and and everything you're saying to me, and it's not even my family.
Well it is now the ring that she gave me when I was seven.
Yeah, okay, so I could just feel the ring being put on
my finger, and I knew that that was important. Okay, let me
just work with her, Okay. Now, she's got a lot of love
to give. She made a family true thing that she sent out her other
family. Oh, I love it. Good, it's good. So I'm
glad that she's able to now. She is a lovely lady. She is
very loving family. I mean, I know she's made a family, true,
but she's also fiercely protective of her family. But she could be very
straight talking as well. Would you understand this with her? So if you
ask her for something, she will tell you it how she feels her opinion,
no holds barred. Does that make sense? Yep? Yeah? And
I feel like she's very much in charge. She's got that matriarchy. Yes,
she's the one that everyone turns to. Her opinion counts and matters,
and she she likes that. She's very very proud of that energy within her.
And I do feel with your husband, your husband, her husband,
he is accommodating of that. He knows his place in the pecking order,
and he loves her. There's absolute love there. I can see it.
But she's definitely the one in charge. Would you understand that? Yeah?
Good, okay, because I feel that they're acknowledging that now. Am I
right in saying that he passes the spirit before her? No other way?
Bugger? Yeah? Okay? So would you understand their being about seven years
difference? It was within a year, both in a year. Okay,
is it seven months? Then I'm seeing seven? The number seven? Do
you understand seven? Kids? Oh? Okay? Interesting? Let me I
was definitely I was seeing it written. I thought it was seven years.
Let me just I think is why do you know what that was? Yeah?
That's that's spirit saying, hey, wow, we're getting some phenomenal Okay,
so you have been incredibly gracious in giving us all this information. We
don't want to keep you on the spot if you feel like there's still other
messages you want to bring forth, and of course, but you have been
unbelievable. Obviously I know your timing. So I'm half aware of your timing
is because I'm trying to build that energy with her. Can I just give
you her message because I feel like I always like to do that for the
spirits that bother to try and come in. Because this feels really important.
You would also Karen have something with her handwriting on. If you've got a
card she wrote you, were a letter she wrote you with her handwriting on
this feels important. I have a cookbook that she's signed for me. Okay,
good. I just felt like she was acknowledging that that you've still kept
that because there is a real sense of pride here and love here. And
I want to talk about her determination because I feel that she was determined right
up till the end of her life, and she feels like the kind of
person. She was, very strong willed. Yeah, everyone thought she was
going to move into spirit, then she got better as she recovered, then
she went back into it and she there feels like this sort of storewart strength
with her that I just want to acknowledge for you here and bless her.
She wants you to know that she's okay. I feel that this is important
with her. She wants you to know that she's okay, that she's around,
that they have found each other, that she has gone all of her
family, so there must be family. Do you understand her having family overseas
or family she was separated from she's from Ecuador. Okay, excellent, because
I feel that there's this feeling of we're all together. Here we are.
It feels like a big family party of everyone reuniting in the spirit world,
which is really rather lovely to watch happened. And I have to acknowledge that
with her, and you communicate with her quite often actually don't you You speak
to her, She's around you. She lets you know she's talking to you
every once in a while. Yeah, I just feel like she's there,
She's part of your life. She's acknowledging to me that she is part of
that, and she is so very very proud, and she wants you to
know that she is very very proud. There's a real feeling of love.
And I knew she was the kind of person that would tell everybody you will
news and look at what she's doing. Look at and she's continuing to be
that person in spirit. You're pulling in a cousin of hers and say,
look at her, look at what she's doing. There's this real feeling of
pride and strength. And I just want to add in here that if ever
you're doubting yourself, I'm worried about your abilities or needing a bit of a
push, she is the perfect spirit to call on because she's such a strong
presence. She would just come in and push you forward. So if you
need her energy, just asks do you will get you where you need to
be? Oh, you make me cry if that happens a lot. Thank
you. Now let me step in for a quick second. Again, because
I think you communicate with her a lot more than you think, just by
the fact that you do your fingernails in an honor of the way that she
used to a very particular style. So I think that you're a lot more
connected than you think you are. Maybe yeah, yeah, she's just She's
just there. She's with you. It's no separation. And this has been
fantastic. You have quickly climbed the ranks of some of our favorite guests,
and we hope that you will deign to come back someday because even if it's
off the mic, just because we have so much fun talking to you,
avoidable it really good. I hope it was okay, don't worry. I'm
sorry for maidive ship was a bit cunky. I've demonstrated to one hundred and
twenty people last night, so I'm attired. I've exhausted. I wouldn't normally
work for three days following that, So yeah, sorry on the spot like
that. But no, it's fine. I'll give it a go. It
will work or it won't work. Guy, I'm really passionate about people understanding
it's an imperfect art because I think in all the editing that we have out
there. It's you have these expectations when you're learning that you're going to be
able to achieve the impossible, and when you start doing it and you think,
well, I'm not as good as that. And I got to know
there and they didn't really understand that, and that took a while to get
going. You think you're not doing good mediumship, but that is actually how
it works. So I've got a recording coming out on my podcast soon where
I've got somebody and I've got a birthday cake, and I'm talking to do
about a birthday cake. And I'm aware that there's a number one on the
cake, but I never actually say it because I'm just aware that there's,
as she said, so and so's first birthday, and I'm like, good,
good god o cake. And I could see the number one candle,
but I just thought that was my brain adding the candle. I thought I
was just seeing the birthday cake. And that's important to talk about because I
think when we're developing, we hold ourselves back with these expectations that it's going
to be bum bum fum boom because we see so much edited mediumship. So
that's what it's all. It's all about. You know, because as a
part of me, if I was absolutely honest, that would like to not
put that podcast out or to edit that reading so it sounds better than it
does. But that wouldn't be true. And I just feel it's so important
that I leave the gaps. I leave the awkward pauses, I leave the
bits where I lose my train of thought. I lose the bits, you
know, like I was talking to your nan and I was aware of the
Mary name, and I was aware of the dot dot but I never went
back to the dot dot because we started talking about something else until Will interjected,
Which is great because that's what it's really like. You'll be doing meadingship
with somebody in your brain will bring up something, or this will happen,
or somebody will move, the dog will bark, and you will think that
you're doing something wrong and that there's this perfect state that you get to where
it's so brilliant and you're so in alignment. But it's not true. Well,
it's a true testament to what you're doing out there for people. So
thank you for what you're doing. Everything that you're going to be doing your
show how to help people to connect themselves. Everything that you do is just
wonderful, So thank you for doing what you do, no worries that.
Thank you so much for having me. I've loved chatting to you again.
It's been so much, absolutely been an absolute pleasure once again. If you
want to connect with Hannah, all you need to do is go to Skeptic
Metaphysician dot com, go to her episode page and you'll see all of the
links laid in there directly for you. Website, social media, everything,
all the ways to connect with her. Hannah, it's been fantastic. Really
hope to see you again really soon because this has been wonderful. Thank you
very much,