WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:04.879 Karen, Yes, do you know how an evidential medium differs from a regular 2 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:08.519 medium? No? Hmm, well, I'd be lying if I said I 3 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:12.640 knew what the difference was too. So that's why in this week's episode we 4 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:18.920 brought in the expert on evidential mediumship. She says that connection to the spirit 5 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:21.839 world is an ability that lies within all of us, not just the chosen 6 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:26.079 few, and she's putting her money where her mouth is by teaching people literally 7 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:31.679 from around the world how to uncover their own gifts and access to support an 8 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:36.000 unconditional love of the universe. That's perfect for you. Sounds like a good 9 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:39.520 episode, right, Well it does to me too, because Karen, when 10 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:47.479 it comes down to it, mediumship matters. I wish I had a winky 11 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:52.479 emoji in audio form right now. My name is Will and I'm Karen, 12 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:56.000 and unlike Molder and Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in 13 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:59.719 a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and 14 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:03.960 meta physical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even 15 00:01:03.040 --> 00:01:07.959 joined a coven of witches and wait, you joined a coven yep. All 16 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:11.120 on the interest of finding something, anything that will prove that there's something beyond 17 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:15.120 this physical, three dimensional world we all live in. This is the skeptic 18 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:34.519 metaphysicians, and now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. Anyone else out there having 19 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.359 a hard time clearing their minds these days? Mostly you know by now, 20 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:42.519 hopefully some of you know that I've recently changed jobs. Well, it's not 21 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:46.760 actually technically a change, it's different responsibilities. Where I was overseeing just one 22 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.799 territory at work for a long time, now I'm overseeing the entire East Coast, 23 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:55.480 so that comes with three additional markets I now represent. It's a tremendous 24 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:57.840 amount of work that's been laid at my plate, and because of it, 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:01.560 I'm having a hard time sleeping. I mean understandably so. In my previous 26 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:05.439 life, I used to be a perfectionist, and there's still a little bit 27 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:09.840 of that inside me. It's the fact is I'm somewhat competitive now. I 28 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:14.560 do like to be successful, and I know all this is ego driven. 29 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:17.080 I understand that, but intrinsically it's who I am, right, It's in 30 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:22.199 my fiber because that's how I've been programmed to be. So the fact that 31 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.360 I've got four markets now that I've got to develop, well, that should 32 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:30.400 give me pause. But I'm driven to be successful. So when I don't 33 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.639 have enough time in a day to work out all the problems and figure all 34 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:37.560 the answers out and service all the clients that need to be serviced in that 35 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:42.319 day, when can my mind process all that stuff? Of course, when 36 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.759 I'm sleeping. This means that I'm not sleeping very well these days, as 37 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:50.360 you can probably imagine, I'd say probably the past few weeks, because my 38 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:54.479 mind is constantly active. Well, that's also been affecting my meditation practice. 39 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.479 It's very hard for me these days to clear my mind enough to just be. 40 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.840 And the times when it happens, it's glorious, but they're snippets. 41 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.520 They stick around for like ten, fifteen, maybe thirty seconds, and then 42 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:09.800 I'm right back to thinking, thinking, thinking. Oh, I do what 43 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:15.000 every mindfulness meditation teacher tells you to do, which is just acknowledge that you're 44 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:20.199 thinking, release it, and go back to not thinking. And I do 45 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.479 that, and I'm successful to a certain extent, but not as much as 46 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:28.439 I was before this whole change of work thing. What I'm finding is the 47 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.400 more I focus on the fact that I'm thinking, recognizing that I'm thinking, 48 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:35.400 acknowledging it, and then moving it aside and going back to not thinking, 49 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.680 well, the more it seems to stick. So the reason why I'm telling 50 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:44.599 you all this is because I know sometimes it's difficult to meditate or focus on 51 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:49.199 whatever it is you need to focus on, because we're all super scattered these 52 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:52.240 days. There's a lot going on in the world, a lot going on 53 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.800 in our lives, so it's understandable, but hey, stick with it. 54 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:00.719 I can tell you I'm not there yet. I'm still having a hard time 55 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:04.840 clearing my mind. But I have noticed that the more I stick with it, 56 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:09.960 the more I acknowledge the thinking and release it and just go back to 57 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:14.960 trying to just be. The more it sticks, the more it opens up. 58 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.879 And hopefully sometime in a very near future, I'll finally be able to 59 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:25.199 get back to that all encompassing piece that I had every time I meditated before 60 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:28.839 all these changes. I have faith that that's what's going to happen, because 61 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.600 every time I do it, it sticks around just that little longer, maybe 62 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.680 a micro second longer, but I feel it. I can feel it. 63 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:40.240 It's getting longer and longer the peace that I'm feeling. So if you're experiencing 64 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.720 something similar, my advice to you is stick with it. Just do your 65 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.560 ten minutes or fifteen minutes or twenty minutes or thirty minutes, whatever it is 66 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.399 that you do in the morning, in the middle of the day and night, 67 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.240 whenever you do it. And if you don't meditate, I urge you 68 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.759 to do that obviously, to try it, pick up a practice, because 69 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:58.040 I found that meditation changed my life. I know a lot of people say 70 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.120 it's difficult, it's boring, it's blah blah blah. But if you need 71 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:04.240 help, there's help out there. There really is. And if you stick 72 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:10.720 with meditation with a practice over time, you're going to find that suddenly you're 73 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.319 much happier with it. Anyway, if you're already meditating, you're having a 74 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.120 hard time clear in your mind, just be patient with yourself. In fact, 75 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:21.800 have no expectations of what your meditation practice should be. Allow it to 76 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:25.959 be whatever it is. If your mind is racing, racing, racing the 77 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.519 entire time, hey let it race, because at least you're taking time to 78 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:34.240 do nothing but think and let your mind race, and little by little, 79 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:39.439 if you recognize or realize that you're thinking, go ahead and just acknowledge that 80 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.800 you're thinking, release the thoughts, and then go back to not thinking. 81 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.680 And the more you do that time and time and time again, the more 82 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.360 you'll find that it's easier and easier and easier to clear your mind. Over 83 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:57.480 time, you'll find the peace that we've all been striving for. I have 84 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:03.040 faith that that's what's going to happen, and I you the absolute peace that 85 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:10.120 we all want to find. Okay, off my soapbox, let's get onto 86 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:16.040 the interview. Hi. I'm Will and Care and this week we have with 87 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:21.920 us the International Phinomen Hannah McIntyre. Hannah is an evidential medium, spiritual teacher 88 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:27.560 and host of the Mediumship Matters podcast. Her down to earth, no nonsense 89 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:31.199 approach to mediumship appeals to people around the world who are looking for easy to 90 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:36.879 understand teachings delivered with lofts and lots of humor. Sounds like she's right up 91 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:43.040 our alley, and she works with live audiences in the UK and internationally online 92 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:48.319 to demonstrate mediumship and to prove the continued existence of the spirit world. We 93 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:53.040 are excited to learn where this conversation is going to take us. So welcome 94 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:56.920 to the show, Hannah McIntyre. How are you. I'm great, Thank 95 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:00.439 you so much for that amazing introduction. Oh I'm so glad you heard it. 96 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.399 We're on a different platform, so we're hoping that things go well. 97 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:09.160 To bear with us if we have some technical challenges. But anyway, we 98 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.480 had the pleasure of being on your show a little while ago and I had 99 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.399 such an amusing conversation that we could not wait to get you on ours. 100 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.639 Let's answer that first question run off the bat that we touched on earlier in 101 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:24.040 the show. For those that may not know the difference, what exactly is 102 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:29.560 in evidential medium? Well, I think lots of mediums work evidentially, but 103 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.600 for me, an evidential medium is somebody that works with proof, proof, 104 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:41.040 undeniable, indisputable proof of the continued existence of the spirit world. So the 105 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:44.040 way I like in it, and I know this might be a trigger for 106 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.920 some people from my first answer, but here we go, is that when 107 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:53.959 you're working with spirit guides and the way that some mediums work and the way 108 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:59.000 that sometimes I work when we are giving messages or readings, there is that 109 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:01.879 kind of gray air where you could talk about things that do apply to your 110 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:07.759 sitter and are true and are correct, but could also apply to lots of 111 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.240 people. For example, you've had a bumpy journey with twists and turns in 112 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:15.319 the road, but I can see you've been working on your healing and your 113 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.839 energy and now you're moving into a new phase, which could very much be 114 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:24.839 true and evidential to that sitter, but is also probably true to most sitters. 115 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:30.879 When you work with evidential mediumship, you are bringing in indisputable proof of 116 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:35.120 the person you are communicating with in the spirit world. So if you've got 117 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.159 a grandmother that rides a motorbike and smokes a pipe, that is a yes 118 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.480 or a no. There is no Well, I can kind of understand what 119 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:45.879 you mean by that. She either rode a motorbike or she didn't. So 120 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.639 that's where I think evidential mediumship differs from other kinds. Well, that is 121 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.000 right, bear Alley. He is always wanting the proof, even when it 122 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.120 kicks him right in the vase, he still doesn't see it. So this 123 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.519 is perfect. I was just going to see, this is going to be 124 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:05.440 a fun conversation because you know you have you we've had mediumship readings before and 125 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:07.600 things like that, and it's like someone in the room has someone with the 126 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.440 name of a start to a letter m could be a Mark, Mike, 127 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:16.720 mother, Mustafa, it could be anybody, right, So it's exciting that 128 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:24.559 you deal with evidence. Why would someone who's a medium not then be evidential? 129 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:28.360 Like why wouldn't every medium do that? Is there? Does it call 130 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:33.600 on the question some folks? I know this is kind of controversial. Um 131 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.399 wow, what a gentle start. We're having this podcast of my own creation 132 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.919 when you're getting me back for coming on mine. Now I see how this 133 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:52.320 goes. Indeed, But the journey for evidential mediumship is hot and it's brutal 134 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.679 for want of a better expression, because you have to be in such a 135 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:03.360 vulnerable space to commit whole artedly to the exact specific thing that you are getting 136 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:09.519 that it is a vulnerability and it brings up a lot of your human There's 137 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:11.840 a lot of that voice going on in your head all the time, going 138 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:13.120 what if you're wrong, You're going to look like an idiot. You stood 139 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.080 in front of a hundred people right now, you're making this up, you 140 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:24.159 absolute task, And so it's trying to find the strength to follow that path. 141 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:30.320 So I worked with spirit guides and stuff like that for stuff like that, 142 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:37.200 Sorry, spirit guides. I work with spirit guides for seven years before 143 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:41.879 I moved into evidential mediumship, and it was still such a trigger for me 144 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:48.120 being in that vulnerability of offering something to somebody that ultimately was a yes or 145 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.720 a no. The very black or white nature of it does make it difficult. 146 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.200 The other thing that I just want to say about evidential mediumship, which 147 00:10:54.240 --> 00:11:00.200 is what makes it hard, is if mediumship worked the way that we all 148 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.080 imagine medium shit working from watching it on the TV, from watching Ghost Whisperer, 149 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:11.480 from watching medium where somebody in human form is speaking to a spirit who 150 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:15.960 is speaking back like I speak to you, then there is no excuse for 151 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:20.120 anything to be wrong. It should all be one hundred percent right. But 152 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.399 of course that isn't how it works. People in spirit do not have voice 153 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.720 boxes. They are not speaking to us. They are sending an energy to 154 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.159 us which we are interpreting, which is where it becomes difficult. Because when 155 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.200 you say to people I'm in evidential medium they say, great, tell me 156 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.759 my NaN's name in her date of birth, which would be fine. If 157 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:41.799 they could speak, because if they could speak to me and I hear them 158 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.320 like I hear you, then that would be expected. But it's more like 159 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.440 playing energetic charades. I'm sure guests on your podcast have mentioned that before. 160 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:56.679 They're sending information, sometimes pictorially, sometimes in feelings, sometimes in words, 161 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.519 sometimes in knowing, and you're doing your best to inter that. So it 162 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.799 is evidential, but it's not like reciting somebody's CV and then you just know 163 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.080 what they did and how they did it. It's not quite the same. 164 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:13.320 Does that make sense? Yep, it does, And that is such a 165 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.679 great explanation because I ask all the time, how do you know that that's 166 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.360 not you? So finally I really like the way you explained it because I 167 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:28.639 I'm just not getting it. Could any medium become a god? I can't 168 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.399 think of the word evidential, thank you. I'm like, experiential now become 169 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.320 an evidential medium. It's like they kind of stab themselves because it's too hard. 170 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.320 Or is it really only just certain people that are able to tap into 171 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:45.440 that deeper place. I believe it's anybody. It's bloody hard work, though, 172 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:48.559 so I understand if you don't want to. I knew if I knew 173 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.960 what I know now when I started, I can't say in wholeheartedness that I 174 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.440 would have followed the path because there is such a lot of pressure and it 175 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.159 is so difficult, and it is so all assuming, and it is constant 176 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.799 evolution and analysis and looking at what you've done, was it good enough? 177 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.360 And why didn't I take that further? Why didn't I trust into this bit? 178 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:15.440 Why didn't I do that bit? So it is a pressure, but 179 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.879 yeah, I believe that anybody can do it, and it just it is 180 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.919 about being willing to put yourself in that vulnerability. And you're right with what 181 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.360 you said, Karen. It does feel like it's you. It does feel 182 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:31.840 like you could be making it up. It does feel fluid, flimsy, 183 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:37.399 ethereel. It doesn't feel like it is anything other than just you coming up 184 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.360 with something that might be absolute pile of hooey, And so you have to 185 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.240 learn to trust into that, unfortunately, and it's tough, it's canny hard. 186 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:50.399 Yeah. So have you ever had an experience where you're trying to do 187 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:56.480 these spiritual charades as you call them? You know, sounds like you know, 188 00:13:56.000 --> 00:14:01.159 and I almost said charade, but any wanted insult her by like maybe 189 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.919 I'm trying to you know, know anyway in the seat we see your reads, 190 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.440 but so have you ever had a point where you trying to decipher what's 191 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:15.960 coming through in the sitter? And by the way, we should clarify that 192 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.679 for the audience, I may not know a sider someone who you're reading for, 193 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.200 right, who you're who's asking the questions that the sitter says, Oh, 194 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.039 this is a bunch of crab, right, like what what is your 195 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:31.519 success rate? And something like this. Oh, it's really interesting because it 196 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:37.039 is a three way and I always have to make this. I talk about 197 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:41.120 this this is a family show, family show, Hannah, but it is 198 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:46.480 it is a collaboration. So because it is an energetic experiment, there is 199 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.519 the spirit who is always in alignment, and then there is you is the 200 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.360 medium, and there is the sitter, the person who's receiving the message and 201 00:14:54.480 --> 00:15:01.080 the energy is a collaboration. And what so many people spect is for you 202 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.840 to instantly get into that deep blend, instantly be able to pull the most 203 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.879 specific, amazing piece of evidence out of the hat instantly, And it is 204 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:15.840 actually a process. So what can happen is at the beginning when you're saying, 205 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.240 I've got a grandmother here, and I know she liked baking, everyone 206 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:28.519 in the audience goes because it didn't like baking, to the grandma's out there 207 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.840 who don't like baking. Right, It takes all kinds, but there are 208 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.399 lots of grandmas will like enjoy being but you would rather have the one that 209 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.600 didn't as an evidential, then you would have the one that did. And 210 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:45.519 I say that with two grandmothers in spirit who are both bakers. So it's 211 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.399 that thing where people have to allow you as the medium to get into a 212 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.879 deeper blend. It's not instantaneous, and it does have an ebb and flow 213 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.519 to it, and that ebb and flow is the result of the energy that 214 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.320 is created in that space. So it's partly how the medium feels and partly 215 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:04.720 how the sitter is responding. So it's a great irony if you come to 216 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:10.000 a reading closed off, with your arms folded and that go and then prove 217 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.000 it kind of energy. It actually makes it harder for the medium to be 218 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:17.759 able to do it because you're not bringing your energy into the mix. So 219 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:19.919 I do believe you should be skeptic. I do believe that you should be 220 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.360 questioning, but you have to also be open and willing to go on a 221 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:27.919 journey with the medium, and that can be the hard bit. And yes, 222 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:33.879 sometimes in readings, because it's normal, we get nose. I get 223 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.759 nose all the time. And when I first started working with Spirit, I 224 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:38.720 was like, right, oh, no, I'm with you when I get 225 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:42.080 nothing but yeses, and this is glorious and magnificent and it looks like what 226 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:45.960 I see on the TV, which of course is highly edited. And when 227 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:52.039 I'm going out I know who to guess. When you go out there and 228 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.399 people say no, it used to feel like someone had stabbed me in the 229 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:02.279 heart and I'd be like crushed, whereas now I okay, Because sometimes it 230 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.400 can be how I'm describing it, the language that I'm using, the words 231 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:11.160 that I'm using. People are not quite understanding the same meaning behind a word 232 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:15.640 that I understand, and that can be a no. Sometimes they've forgotten the 233 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:19.960 number of times people have said no to me in the moment and then messaged 234 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:25.440 me afterwards and gone, oh my god, I've just realized. May I 235 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:27.240 share a story about that? Of course? Yeah, we get a story. 236 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:30.279 Okay. So I had a sitter that I was working with one on 237 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:33.960 one and I was talking to her about her mum's ashes. I knew her 238 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.599 mother had been cremated, and I kept saying, there's a rose, there's 239 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.599 a rose with her ashes, and she was saying absolutely not, no, 240 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.480 no, no. And at the end of the reading, she said, 241 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.720 the ashes were completely wrong, Hannah, because we haven't spread them yet, 242 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.119 We've only just got them, so there's no rose connected with her ashes. 243 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:53.440 And I said, oh, I don't know what I was seeing. I 244 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:56.640 really felt like there was something to do with a rose. The following day 245 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.599 she sent me a photo the container the ashes had come in from the crematorium 246 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:07.039 had to rose up the front. Yeah, I know, but in the 247 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.119 moment she was absolute, hard, complete No. I don't know what you're 248 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:15.799 talking about. Absolutely not. So as an evidential medium, sometimes you can 249 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.559 get it wrong, but also sometimes you have to allow your cities to go 250 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:23.759 through a process to understand it. So it's it's tough, right, Wow, 251 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:29.880 talking about really kind of taking some time to get into that state so 252 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.440 you can can do these readings. And what is your take on those mediums 253 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.240 that you hear about better in the grocery store and they see some guy buying 254 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.119 some potatoes and they're like, your mother has a message for you. You 255 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.319 know your allergic to potatoes or whatever? Is that real? And for those 256 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.559 who are only listening to the show, you did not see Hannah's reaction. 257 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:56.319 Just now in spoke volumes, right. I there's different frequencies that you can 258 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.599 work in as a medium, and this is one of the things that spirit 259 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.440 taught me that nobody was talking about, and when I was on my journey, 260 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.680 I didn't understand. So not all mediums work in the same frequency. 261 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:14.839 And if you are working psychically, which to me is energy to energy in 262 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.480 this physical space, so it's not communication with spirit in the spirit world. 263 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:25.240 It's working here. It's reading energy here. If you've got somebody that you 264 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:30.039 go up to and psychically read their energy, you can do a passable spirit 265 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:33.839 link because you can feel who they are expecting to hear from in their energy. 266 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:38.599 But it doesn't mean it's a spirit communication. It's a different thing. 267 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.680 And so I think for a lot of those and I'm not saying all of 268 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:48.240 them because I haven't done enough study to be able to say anything conclusively, 269 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:52.279 But a lot of the time I think those people, they're working psychically, 270 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.960 and because we know that a lot of them are set up, they are 271 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.200 stooges in the grocery store, they're not so they know they're going to get 272 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.200 something. And of course, if you're going to see a medium or you 273 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.039 know you're going to get a reading, you start thinking about who you might 274 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.519 hear from and what they're going to bring through is evidence. So in your 275 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.720 energy field, because you've been thinking about it, is a lot of information 276 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:17.680 about that spirit. So you can pick that up as a psychic and bring 277 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:19.839 that through. But it is not the same as the altered state that you 278 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:26.839 need for evidential mediumship. Okay, well it does, yes completely. Yeah, 279 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:30.640 Unfortunately, we have to take a break, so give us just a 280 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:34.599 few minutes. When we come back, we are going to talk to Hannah 281 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:41.559 about how someone could maybe tune in or tap into their own gifts, and 282 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.519 we'll talk a little bit more about her podcast Mediumship Matters as well. So 283 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:55.640 stay with us. We'll be right back. 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We've had 299 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:38.079 an amazing conversation so far. Hannah and I know that we got you on 300 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:41.279 a little bit of a hot seat right off the bat. So we're gonna 301 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.200 now kind of give you some softballs, right, because this is what you 302 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.160 do, right, You help people to tap into their own spiritual guidance and 303 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:52.960 thing. You believe that everyone can do this, So walk us through it. 304 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:57.680 How can Karen and I start to listen in and hear messages from the 305 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:02.920 beyond? Okay? So first of all, for me, it's the understanding 306 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:06.440 of where you want to work, what energy you are working in, the 307 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:10.480 frequencies like I was talking about earlier. So so many people think that we 308 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:14.000 just sort of open up and spirit control what we get. But I believe 309 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:18.440 that we are like radios. We tune into a particular station. So it's 310 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.519 our job to know which station we're tuning into and where we want to work. 311 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:25.960 So if you want to get a message from spirit guides, you would 312 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:29.920 set that intention. I want to be working with spirit guides, and naturally 313 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.640 your energy will move into the space that it needs to work with spirit guides. 314 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.799 I want to provide proof of evidence of loved ones in the spirit world, 315 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:42.559 your energy will naturally move into the evidential frequency. So it's about knowing 316 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:47.720 the difference knowing when you're in psychic knowing when you're with spirit guides, knowing 317 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:52.680 when you are working evidentially, and then it is a case of trusting that 318 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:57.160 whatever you get, no matter how random, how weird, how out of 319 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:02.759 context, go with it. And one of the things that I'm really passionate 320 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:07.799 about is momentum because that is what creates the great blend. So when we 321 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.799 first start working with spirit, we say I've got a dad here, and 322 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:12.039 then you go, is it a dad? I feel like it's a dad. 323 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:15.240 What if I'm wrong? What if it's not their dad? I better 324 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:18.599 not say dad, I'm not sure if it's dad, by which time we've 325 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.680 stopped the blending process, it's not happening because we've just held that first piece 326 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:26.400 of evidence and we're second guessing it. So I always say you have to 327 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.799 imagine yourself as a bit of an infection, and the longer that you hold 328 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:36.200 on to stuff, the more you infect it with you. So if you 329 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:40.839 want to work in evidential medingship, and it works in spirit guide frequency too, 330 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.759 the best thing that you can do is say what you are getting as 331 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.599 quickly as you possibly can, often without even really understanding it. Yourself, 332 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.559 and as you do that, you will build a deeper blend with that spirit. 333 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:57.440 So my view is at the beginning you should be bullet pointing evidence very 334 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:03.400 very quickly, not getting hypnotized with what you're seeing, not trying to find 335 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.160 the story in it, but very much. I've got a grandmother here, 336 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:08.400 and I know she's a big personality. She's very loud presence, and I 337 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.559 need to talk about her here, having real pain in her hips, and 338 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.640 I know she passes of a heart condition. I do feel that she's been 339 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.680 in the spirit world for about a decade, if not longer, and she's 340 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.799 joined in spirit by her husband. But you want to be quite quick with 341 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:26.440 all of it because that is how you start that blending process. And then 342 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.480 you want to be moving into a space where you can allow things to slow 343 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.759 down once you know that you're blended. And so it's always about being mindful 344 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:41.119 of where you feel that tipping point in the blend is that's going to give 345 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.599 you what you want, gotcha? So, Karen, I think we found 346 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:53.759 our episode title Humanity is an infection. Oh, Lauren, I've dated some 347 00:25:53.799 --> 00:26:00.640 bacteria, that's for sure. I'm sure you meant to z before will dated 348 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:08.960 just clarify, right, So it's almost like free association, right, it's 349 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:14.039 what I'm hearing, or just letting things flow and not attaching yourself too much 350 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.039 to it in order for the message to come through. Now, do you 351 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.119 have to put yourself in a certain mindset before something like this can happen? 352 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.119 Or does it happen to you all the time? It happens instantly. I 353 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:29.160 do not believe in preparatory work. Now. I do believe in a generalized 354 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:33.759 preparation of your own energies. So lots of people meditate. If meditation works 355 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:38.279 for you, fantastic. But the biggest and most important thing to me is 356 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:42.880 that you spend a bit of time with yourself. Lots of people find spirit 357 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:48.200 when they're wanting to escape themselves. But actually, if you can't sit and 358 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.400 be with you, as soon as you get a space to open up to 359 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.000 spirit, you're going to fill it with yourself and that becomes the problem. 360 00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:03.079 So there's an inescapable self awareness and self love that has to be there to 361 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.359 be able to move into that vulnerability of evidential mediumship. So often people say 362 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.240 to me, what's the first step? And I say ten minutes by yourself 363 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.759 every day, not doing anything, not scrolling on the internet, not trying 364 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.680 to meditate and escape the physical, just being present with you, and everyone 365 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.519 goes, oh, that's really boring. I don't think everyone can do it. 366 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.559 Well, yeah, I have been trying to get him and to be 367 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.160 bored every once in a while. It's okay. Where you live in an 368 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:34.279 ADHD world, right, we're constantly bombarded by stuff all the time. It's 369 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.599 like an addiction. So then when something you have to force yourself to do 370 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:44.319 that, it's almost impossible. It's really hard to just do nothing at least 371 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:45.920 when when I have nothing to do, I'll try to meditate, but you're 372 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.960 seeing, don't even do that. Just sit there, Yeah, don't try 373 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:55.839 and escape. So many people meditate to escape themselves. I'm going to go 374 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.319 off now and I'm going to escape all of my problems and all the parts 375 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.160 of myself I don't like, and I'm going to float around in the ether 376 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:07.359 and it's going to be lovely, which it is. Yeah, I'm saying, 377 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:12.160 don't meditate, but you also have to be in your human present with 378 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.400 you. What is your body saying to you today, what is your mind 379 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:21.359 saying to you today? What emotions are rising within you, what memories need 380 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:23.400 you to sit with them and be with them so you can put them to 381 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:27.440 rest. And that is the problem. Spirit aways show it to me like 382 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:33.319 a giant chalkboard, and all of our stuff is written all over it. 383 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.880 And when we want to communicate with spirit, they will always find a space 384 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.160 to write on the chalkboard. But if you want to really hear them and 385 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.079 really be aware of them, you have to have enough space on the chalkboard 386 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:49.000 for them to be able to write bigger. So it's as if they're trying 387 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.880 to be seen within all of the noise of everything that's going on with you. 388 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.200 So if your chalkboard is rammed full of your to do list, things 389 00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.480 to do, your worries, your concerns, this, that, and the 390 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.200 other, they will write on it, but they might be writing in the 391 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:06.720 space in a letter A, and it will feel really small and insignificant. 392 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.359 The more space there is in your energy, the more you can receive from 393 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.079 spirit. That makes so much sense. I really the way you explain it 394 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.759 is perfect. And that also makes me think that it is that instant gratification 395 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.079 of scrolling or whatever. But I think it might subconsciously be a culture of 396 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:27.119 avoidance, avoiding those negative thoughts or those sad feelings. Maybe that's if you 397 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.400 look at it that way, will maybe it'll be easier. I mean, 398 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.039 for me, honestly, truth be told, it is just really boring. 399 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.240 It's just I can't just sit there for ten minutes and do nothing. But 400 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:42.000 Hannah, you're seeing things that I've read I've heard many times. Right Eckhart 401 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:47.200 Tootles talks about it in depth about just being in the moment and just doing 402 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.480 nothing. Nil Donald Walsh in conversations with God. God told him about the 403 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.119 importance of doing that. I mean, it's all these different teachings that we 404 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.319 get, but it's so much easier said than done. I guess it's just 405 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:02.079 a matter of having the discipline of just doing it. Start smile. Start 406 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:06.880 with a couple of minutes, absolutely, Karen. I mean that's the same 407 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:08.960 with the meditation. I'm sure when you started your journey with meditation, if 408 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:14.319 you'd said forty minutes, come on, you'd have got fidgety six minutes in, 409 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.039 how long has it been this is going to? So yeah, start 410 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:23.359 with a minute. And always I always have my list next to me because 411 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.160 my brain is an ADHD type brain. It's very active, which is actually 412 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.480 good for mediumship as long as you have enough space. So I actually think 413 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.720 part of my superpower is the fact that my brain works quickly, is the 414 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.839 fact that it's busy. So I always have that. So when something comes 415 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.680 up, like you didn't take the food out the freezer for dinner, or 416 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.680 you forgot to pay that bill, or you forgot to send that birthday card, 417 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.000 I've written it down. Well, it's otherwise I'll spend my whole ten 418 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.640 minutes going, don't forget the chicken. Don't forget my chicken. You are 419 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:59.039 so speaking to me right now. Even in meditation sometimes it's like I can't 420 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.880 focus my mine. If I don't like force it into my head, I'm 421 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:03.880 gonna forget it when I get out of my meditation and I'm gonna be like, 422 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.960 what was I thinking about? What was so important? I gonna do? 423 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.240 That's so smart? Yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna start doing that now. 424 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.799 Yay, write down stuff that's right, not just sit there. I 425 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.839 might try, but you know, we'll see. I know I know the 426 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.240 importance of it. I do, Hannah, I would be remiss if we 427 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.079 didn't take a few minutes to talk about your show because I listened to it 428 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.160 all the time. And your show is interesting because you do different episodes of 429 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.960 different topics, right, so you do you share different mediumship readings on your 430 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.640 show. You also do readings for the coming week. You do different things. 431 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:38.720 Every episode is different and I love that and it's fascinating because it's not 432 00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:45.839 your typical metaphysical spiritual podcast. So how did you decide to launch this show? 433 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:52.160 First and foremost object right about that? You were expected? No, 434 00:31:52.440 --> 00:32:01.720 but I love it much fun. In the UK, we have some very 435 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:07.200 very famous mediums with big followings, and I was watching one of them do 436 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.759 a Facebook live and I thought, this is amazing. They've got a million 437 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:14.519 followers. I cannot wait to watch this. And then, with no shame, 438 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:19.359 no bat of an eyelash, just absolute, they said, your loved 439 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.279 ones in spirit are drawn to the energy of shares on social media. If 440 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:28.039 you want your loved ones to come through, I need you to share this 441 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:32.839 to build a bridge to the spirit world. Oh my god, yeah, 442 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:39.160 and I of course, yeah. It was just such a manipulation and I 443 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:43.519 think spirit just I know, we like to talk about the light and love. 444 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.759 But I also do feel that anger can be a fascinating motivator if we 445 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:52.240 don't cut ourselves off from the emotion as judging it as bad. It's not 446 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.079 great when you want to go key your neighbor's car because they keep parking in 447 00:32:54.079 --> 00:33:00.880 front of your house, but it is a useful motivator. Unless you want 448 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:06.640 to key you neighbor's car, then anger is really useful for that must day. 449 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.920 But I just couldn't let it go, and I was going to bed, 450 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.119 and I was furious, and I was thinking, somebody needs to tell 451 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.400 everybody, all these people, that these vulnerable people. And I kept imagining, 452 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:28.599 you know, a mum whose son has committed suicide or something really horrendous, 453 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:34.480 frantically sharing to try and get hold of their son when that isn't how 454 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:38.079 it works at all, and she could actually learn to communicate with her son 455 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:43.000 and feel the presence of her son for herself. And it was almost like 456 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.640 spirit just laid this gauntlet down and they said, okay, you're going to 457 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.759 get this wound up about it, you do something, And I said, 458 00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.640 well what can I do? And they and the podcast came to me, 459 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.640 so I thought, oh, well, no one will listen. It'll just 460 00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:00.599 be me getting on my soapbox ranting about stuff, and it just expanded. 461 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:07.640 So I mean I saw somewhere your your top ten show in Spiritual. That's 462 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.199 fantastic. Congratulations. Yeah, that's huge. We're hoping that, you know, 463 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.239 but rubbing shoulders with you, we'll get a little, a little that 464 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:22.400 magic on our show. Kidding right, right? I heard spirit Loves Share, 465 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:34.920 so bye. So then who would you say that your show really would 466 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.920 appeal to. Who's your target audience? Oh, that's an interesting question. 467 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:44.880 I think it's anybody that feels like there is more. But it's not expecting 468 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:50.000 me to have all the answers because one of the things that I feel is 469 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:55.239 really important is the acknowledgement that we evolve, and as we evolve in consciousness, 470 00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:00.960 our understandings can change. So you can have something that is true at 471 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:07.000 one level of consciousness, and then as you expand into another level of consciousness 472 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.159 it is a different but also true. Both things can be true. And 473 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.639 so for a lot of my podcast, it's exploration, exploration of things that 474 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:21.679 I've experienced and seen and discussion why is that? What's going on with that? 475 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:27.840 Because healthy discussion is a collaboration. It's two different energy points meeting where 476 00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.960 we can learn from each other. And I think that's something that's really missing 477 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:35.800 in the mediumship teaching that I received when I was a king for teachers, 478 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.039 it was very much this is how it is. And when I would say 479 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.559 but why, they would say, we don't ask. This is how it 480 00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.559 is, this is how it's always been. And so I actually like the 481 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.440 why. I like the mechanics. I like the unfoldment of understanding things like 482 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:52.800 spirit not having a voice box. No one ever said them to me, 483 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:57.880 but it's so obvious when you know it, why it works the way it 484 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.880 does, and so things like that that's what it's all about. I got 485 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:07.519 to ask the question because I'm sure a lot of people out there are curious. 486 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:14.239 How you came to know all this information? How did your abilities, 487 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:15.039 for lack of a better word, how did they come to you? How 488 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.360 did you realize that you were an evidential medium? Oh right, well, 489 00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.800 it's just a journey. My friend, I was a po to music school 490 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.760 mind in my own business, and one of my friends came in and just 491 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.960 when I've got your granddad here, and did a spirit link with my granddad 492 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:35.039 and I knew mediums existed, and even though I missed my grandfather desperately, 493 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.880 it never occurred to me to go visit a medium. It was not something 494 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:44.119 that was part of my experience, my understanding at all. And then she 495 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.239 did the spirit link, blew my mind and then said, oh, yeahould 496 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.199 come to my group. So I went to her group thinking that I was 497 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:53.840 going to watch other mediums work. I thought, Oh, I cannot wait 498 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:58.760 to see different people getting messages. This is going to be amazing. And 499 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.880 when it went round the group went your turn, I was a bit like, 500 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.920 excuse me, what, No, I'm just here to be in the 501 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.800 audience. This is not for me, and they said, oh, yes 502 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.440 it is, and that was it. It just started and that was a 503 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.599 spirit guide circle. So I developed my connection with spirit guides, did raiky 504 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:22.280 qualifications things like that over a period of a few years, and then evidential 505 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.400 mediumship. I just kept thinking, I wish though that I could communicate with 506 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.079 people's loved ones in spirit, but that's not how my gifts work. That's 507 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.440 not my journey, that's other people's journey. If I could do that, 508 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.199 I would know that I could do that. And a spirit kept going give 509 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.199 it a go, do a course, try, and I kept going no, 510 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:42.679 No, If you wanted me to do it, I would know it 511 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.880 by now and I would consent from that. And one day I just said, 512 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:50.760 Okay, blow it, signed up for a course and started. But 513 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.880 I have to say most of my learning has come from spirit guides teaching me, 514 00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:00.360 and that is as simple as asking the question and allowing the answer to 515 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:07.199 come. All of your listeners will be able to get information to help their 516 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:12.159 expansion and spiritual growth if they ask the question and allow it to unfold. 517 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.320 It might not come back instantly, it might not come in words, but 518 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.159 it will rise in you as a knowing. There will be something that comes 519 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.079 across you on social media or something you read that is a piece of the 520 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:27.719 puzzle. And if you stick with it and you allow it to unfold, 521 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.440 and you don't expect it to be instantaneous, you can do all of your 522 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:35.440 unfoldment yourself. Well, you've heard it here. If you want to be 523 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:37.840 able to do this to yourself, Hannah I heard from the Grapevine can help 524 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:42.760 you, so reach out to her. We'll add all of your links on 525 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.960 our show notes. So just go to skeptic in povision dot com and go 526 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.079 to her episode page. You'll see her website, link her Instagram or Facebook 527 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.960 or TikTok. Every possible way you can reach out to Hannah will have on 528 00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.519 there, so it's eaty for you to connect now. Of course, Hannah, 529 00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.800 I would be again on one more time if I didn't at least say, 530 00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:07.159 do you feel anything coming through for us or for anyone in our audience. 531 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:08.679 If you don't know worries, we can always edit this out. But 532 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.760 I'm just curious because you know, do you have the expert on here with 533 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.440 us? Okay, right, let's give it a go. So straight away, 534 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.719 I'm aware of a gentleman in spirit here and he feels like Dad to 535 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.079 me. So I know that Dad passes to the spirit world, and I 536 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.559 want to talk about him passing very very suddenly into spirit. I do feel 537 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.599 this is respiratory. There is a pain in the chest. It's very fast 538 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:35.880 breathing. I cannot catch my breath. I move into spirit, and I 539 00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:40.079 know that that is sudden and unexpected, and I know that it's unexpected because 540 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:44.480 I know that people are unable to say goodbye to him. So I can 541 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.320 feel him coming straight in with this acknowledgement that this was missed. And I 542 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:52.000 do want to talk about the name Peter in connection with this gentleman. So 543 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.400 I feel that I've got a Pete or Peter in spirit here. He would 544 00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:01.639 have passed in his early sixties. Forgive me if it's late fifties, but 545 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:07.440 it's around that kind of age, and he would be a father figure. 546 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:09.960 So I feel like this is somebody's dad coming in here. And I know 547 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.639 that he has three daughters that he wants to acknowledge and they would have missed 548 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.960 his passing. So if that resonates with anybody, that would be amazing. 549 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:27.760 Let me just's I feel that he passes at home alone and is found unconscious. 550 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:32.360 Wow, So that is okay, I'm very aware of him. If 551 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.039 you are listening to this show right now and this resonates with you, we 552 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:38.559 would love to hear from you. I know Hannah would love to hear from 553 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:44.960 you. So let us know, because that to us is fascinating. Yeah, 554 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:46.719 and so it's absolutely would you like me to have a go for one 555 00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:51.320 of you two? Yeah? I think probably the person that you would probably 556 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:53.239 connect with the most would be someone from Karen side of the family because I 557 00:40:53.239 --> 00:41:04.440 still have lots of mine. Yeah, anyone that hasn't gone, an early 558 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.159 warning never happens. Just to be Okay, let me have a look for 559 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:14.599 you, Karen, right, Karen, let me just we're going if you've 560 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:19.159 got grandma and spirit here, Karen, that I want to acknowledge with you, 561 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.039 you would understand grandmother? Yeah, okay, it's better when I get 562 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.079 with interaction, So I'm gonna ask you questions else that. Get ready, 563 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:29.280 hold onto your hat. Okay. So I've got Grandma stepping forward here. 564 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.480 Now, I do feel that she's been in spirit for quite some time. 565 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.519 I'm looking at somebody that would have passed over a decade ago. She's been 566 00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:40.239 gone. Would you understand that? Yeah? Okay? And she is obviously 567 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:44.519 joined in spirit by her husband who's with her too. So you've got grandma's 568 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:50.159 spirit and her husband also there. Yes, okay, let me just feel 569 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.159 into this, right. So these two would have been together for a really, 570 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.760 really long time. I feel that they have been married for eons. 571 00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.440 We're looking at sort of fifty years plus here for these two together. Does 572 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.960 that make sense? It does? Okay? Good, And she's also making 573 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:06.199 me aware that she would have left. You've got a ring of hers. 574 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:12.760 Okay, well no, but I have two different grandmothers in the same situation. 575 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.920 Okay, that's fine. One of them has a longer marriage and one 576 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.360 of them gave me her ring. Oh Buggerette, let me just win out 577 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:30.719 not having this there of me? Two sex okay, right. One of 578 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:32.480 them is married to a gentleman who wears a uniform, who would have won 579 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.599 a uniform? Do you understand this? Yes? Okay? Is that the 580 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:43.119 one with the ring? Both? Right? I was very close with both 581 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.360 of them, so maybe they're both here. Yeah. Sometimes I get battling. 582 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.760 The nan NaN's are the worst. I'll be like this spirit though, 583 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:54.280 it's just something that they do. Right, this couple come in. I 584 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.719 feel that there's an acknowledgement here from them if they would have been around you. 585 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.960 I know this might be both. Bear with me, we'll get more 586 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.840 specific. This is how it builds. So I can see that they would 587 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.159 have been around you a lot in your childhood. It feels like you would 588 00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:08.400 have lived near them, you would have been in and out of their house. 589 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:12.719 It feels like there's a real closeness in your family with them, so 590 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.880 regular contact. Does that make sense? Okay? Yes, still showing me 591 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.360 this a ring? Okay, bear with me. I feel it going on 592 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.960 to my finger. It feels like it's important. She's very stubborn in her 593 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.119 When she knows something, she knows it and she's immovable in it. And 594 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.400 I have to say that with her too. Okay, Okay, bear with 595 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:39.400 me one sec right. Would it have been herring or airing that she gave 596 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.599 me? Ah? Okay, I don't know. I can just feel a 597 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.679 ring going onto my finger, So bear with me. As I blend with 598 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.519 them, we'll be able to get it deeper and get a bit more information 599 00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:54.880 for you. Let me have a little look here where I want to go 600 00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:01.400 with her? Okay, right. I feel that there is a photo in 601 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.400 the family of these two together on their wedding day, which is still kept 602 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.239 and is sacred because I can see them both standing there in time and he 603 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:13.840 would have won his uniform in the wedding photo. Do you understand this? 604 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.559 I don't know. Okay, let me just get hold of them properly again. 605 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:34.599 Then right, there is a photo of the two of them. They're 606 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.119 still to side by side. I feel like I want to be in front 607 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.599 of an archway. I can see them both, and I know it's important 608 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:44.920 because I know that's how they stand in front of me right here. Let 609 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:46.360 me just see what else she wants to show me, and I'll build some 610 00:44:46.440 --> 00:45:00.760 power with her. There is a right she's showing me a your connection with 611 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.800 family tree? Do you understand your grandmother really researching or looking into a family 612 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.280 tree? Because this feels important to her. She's very, very proud of 613 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.880 her family and her roots and knowing the information, and I feel that this 614 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.880 is something that she would have spent time on. She would be sharing and 615 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.719 talking about it. This feels important, and I do want to acknowledge here 616 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:27.000 that she's one of four? Is it she want to foward she have three 617 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.440 siblings? I think she had. I think she was one of four. 618 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:35.360 Yeah, give us four. Okay, you'll have to look and have a 619 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.559 look for me, because I feel that she's showing me this sort of plotting 620 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:44.840 backwards and alongside her. I can see four like notches on a family tree. 621 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:50.280 So I want to acknowledge that because there is a feeling of family being 622 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.079 important, following it back being important. And would you understand that she had 623 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:58.639 a sibling that passed many years before her, Yes, like many years, 624 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.639 because I feel that she's wanting to acknowledge that they're together in spirit and this 625 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:07.480 feels important to her too. Okay, do you understand a connection with the 626 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:14.119 name Mary or something that would sound like Mary in the family. I don't. 627 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:20.920 Okay, let me just keep going with what she showed me about the 628 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.679 names. Does the picture have to be a wedding picture because there wasn't. 629 00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:30.840 It was very prominent of my grandparents. Okay. Do you know if there 630 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:35.880 was an archway behind them in the picture or something that would be um, 631 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.320 maybe a fireplace below them, below them? Okay, there's something up here 632 00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:44.480 behind them. It's it's really interesting how you receive it and you're trying to 633 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:50.440 perceive it. But let me just keep going here. No, I need 634 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.559 to interject for just a qui quick second. The whole Mary thing in Spanish 635 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:58.159 is Maria, right, Yeah, I don't know any Mary is that without 636 00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.800 that too, other than your cousins, your myriad cousins who all have the 637 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:07.639 name Maria. Oh, I was thinking of my grandmother's family, like her 638 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.159 family, right. So what I was going to say to you, because 639 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.800 I think we went off on a little deccare, is if you look back 640 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.239 on the video, you will see me going because I was trying to work 641 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:21.599 out she was taking me two generations below her. Okay, so that would 642 00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:27.599 be right for cousins. I'm not just saying that my fingers, because I 643 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:35.079 was going on her below her, one more below her more Maria, but 644 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.199 they I'll go by their middle names. So that's why I didn't think about 645 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:38.920 that either Maria something, and they go, I'll go by to something. 646 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.840 And that's why I interjected because I it connected with me right away, and 647 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.440 I didn't want to let that go because I know exactly I know which grandmother 648 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:47.920 you're talking about, Like I knew right almost right away. You know the 649 00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:51.039 picture. I do know the picture, and I know I do know the 650 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.920 family and and everything you're saying to me, and it's not even my family. 651 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.559 Well it is now the ring that she gave me when I was seven. 652 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.000 Yeah, okay, so I could just feel the ring being put on 653 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:04.320 my finger, and I knew that that was important. Okay, let me 654 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:10.360 just work with her, Okay. Now, she's got a lot of love 655 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:14.719 to give. She made a family true thing that she sent out her other 656 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:16.639 family. Oh, I love it. Good, it's good. So I'm 657 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.639 glad that she's able to now. She is a lovely lady. She is 658 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.840 very loving family. I mean, I know she's made a family, true, 659 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:29.480 but she's also fiercely protective of her family. But she could be very 660 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:31.239 straight talking as well. Would you understand this with her? So if you 661 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:36.199 ask her for something, she will tell you it how she feels her opinion, 662 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:42.360 no holds barred. Does that make sense? Yep? Yeah? And 663 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.480 I feel like she's very much in charge. She's got that matriarchy. Yes, 664 00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.000 she's the one that everyone turns to. Her opinion counts and matters, 665 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.920 and she she likes that. She's very very proud of that energy within her. 666 00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.159 And I do feel with your husband, your husband, her husband, 667 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.440 he is accommodating of that. He knows his place in the pecking order, 668 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:07.960 and he loves her. There's absolute love there. I can see it. 669 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.960 But she's definitely the one in charge. Would you understand that? Yeah? 670 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.840 Good, okay, because I feel that they're acknowledging that now. Am I 671 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:21.440 right in saying that he passes the spirit before her? No other way? 672 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:25.039 Bugger? Yeah? Okay? So would you understand their being about seven years 673 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:30.239 difference? It was within a year, both in a year. Okay, 674 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:34.719 is it seven months? Then I'm seeing seven? The number seven? Do 675 00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:39.360 you understand seven? Kids? Oh? Okay? Interesting? Let me I 676 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.880 was definitely I was seeing it written. I thought it was seven years. 677 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:57.360 Let me just I think is why do you know what that was? Yeah? 678 00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:05.320 That's that's spirit saying, hey, wow, we're getting some phenomenal Okay, 679 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.880 so you have been incredibly gracious in giving us all this information. We 680 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.760 don't want to keep you on the spot if you feel like there's still other 681 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:14.880 messages you want to bring forth, and of course, but you have been 682 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.440 unbelievable. Obviously I know your timing. So I'm half aware of your timing 683 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.880 is because I'm trying to build that energy with her. Can I just give 684 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.239 you her message because I feel like I always like to do that for the 685 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.679 spirits that bother to try and come in. Because this feels really important. 686 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.639 You would also Karen have something with her handwriting on. If you've got a 687 00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:36.400 card she wrote you, were a letter she wrote you with her handwriting on 688 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:42.400 this feels important. I have a cookbook that she's signed for me. Okay, 689 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.159 good. I just felt like she was acknowledging that that you've still kept 690 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.000 that because there is a real sense of pride here and love here. And 691 00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.440 I want to talk about her determination because I feel that she was determined right 692 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.960 up till the end of her life, and she feels like the kind of 693 00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.039 person. She was, very strong willed. Yeah, everyone thought she was 694 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.719 going to move into spirit, then she got better as she recovered, then 695 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:07.760 she went back into it and she there feels like this sort of storewart strength 696 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:14.360 with her that I just want to acknowledge for you here and bless her. 697 00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:21.559 She wants you to know that she's okay. I feel that this is important 698 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.440 with her. She wants you to know that she's okay, that she's around, 699 00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:27.719 that they have found each other, that she has gone all of her 700 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.239 family, so there must be family. Do you understand her having family overseas 701 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:36.639 or family she was separated from she's from Ecuador. Okay, excellent, because 702 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.920 I feel that there's this feeling of we're all together. Here we are. 703 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.800 It feels like a big family party of everyone reuniting in the spirit world, 704 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:47.280 which is really rather lovely to watch happened. And I have to acknowledge that 705 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:54.199 with her, and you communicate with her quite often actually don't you You speak 706 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.880 to her, She's around you. She lets you know she's talking to you 707 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.400 every once in a while. Yeah, I just feel like she's there, 708 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.760 She's part of your life. She's acknowledging to me that she is part of 709 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:10.599 that, and she is so very very proud, and she wants you to 710 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:15.119 know that she is very very proud. There's a real feeling of love. 711 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:16.800 And I knew she was the kind of person that would tell everybody you will 712 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.519 news and look at what she's doing. Look at and she's continuing to be 713 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.639 that person in spirit. You're pulling in a cousin of hers and say, 714 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:28.559 look at her, look at what she's doing. There's this real feeling of 715 00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.480 pride and strength. And I just want to add in here that if ever 716 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:37.320 you're doubting yourself, I'm worried about your abilities or needing a bit of a 717 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:42.679 push, she is the perfect spirit to call on because she's such a strong 718 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.519 presence. She would just come in and push you forward. So if you 719 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.440 need her energy, just asks do you will get you where you need to 720 00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:54.719 be? Oh, you make me cry if that happens a lot. Thank 721 00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:58.360 you. Now let me step in for a quick second. Again, because 722 00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.800 I think you communicate with her a lot more than you think, just by 723 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.840 the fact that you do your fingernails in an honor of the way that she 724 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.480 used to a very particular style. So I think that you're a lot more 725 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:12.800 connected than you think you are. Maybe yeah, yeah, she's just She's 726 00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:17.400 just there. She's with you. It's no separation. And this has been 727 00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.239 fantastic. You have quickly climbed the ranks of some of our favorite guests, 728 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:28.679 and we hope that you will deign to come back someday because even if it's 729 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:30.679 off the mic, just because we have so much fun talking to you, 730 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:36.159 avoidable it really good. I hope it was okay, don't worry. I'm 731 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.639 sorry for maidive ship was a bit cunky. I've demonstrated to one hundred and 732 00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:44.960 twenty people last night, so I'm attired. I've exhausted. I wouldn't normally 733 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:50.599 work for three days following that, So yeah, sorry on the spot like 734 00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:52.639 that. But no, it's fine. I'll give it a go. It 735 00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:54.760 will work or it won't work. Guy, I'm really passionate about people understanding 736 00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:00.159 it's an imperfect art because I think in all the editing that we have out 737 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:05.360 there. It's you have these expectations when you're learning that you're going to be 738 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:08.000 able to achieve the impossible, and when you start doing it and you think, 739 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:09.719 well, I'm not as good as that. And I got to know 740 00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.360 there and they didn't really understand that, and that took a while to get 741 00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:17.199 going. You think you're not doing good mediumship, but that is actually how 742 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:22.239 it works. So I've got a recording coming out on my podcast soon where 743 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:24.880 I've got somebody and I've got a birthday cake, and I'm talking to do 744 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:29.559 about a birthday cake. And I'm aware that there's a number one on the 745 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.639 cake, but I never actually say it because I'm just aware that there's, 746 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:36.800 as she said, so and so's first birthday, and I'm like, good, 747 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.760 good god o cake. And I could see the number one candle, 748 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:44.760 but I just thought that was my brain adding the candle. I thought I 749 00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.159 was just seeing the birthday cake. And that's important to talk about because I 750 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:52.840 think when we're developing, we hold ourselves back with these expectations that it's going 751 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:57.840 to be bum bum fum boom because we see so much edited mediumship. So 752 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.280 that's what it's all. It's all about. You know, because as a 753 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.440 part of me, if I was absolutely honest, that would like to not 754 00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:07.840 put that podcast out or to edit that reading so it sounds better than it 755 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:12.199 does. But that wouldn't be true. And I just feel it's so important 756 00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.360 that I leave the gaps. I leave the awkward pauses, I leave the 757 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:17.079 bits where I lose my train of thought. I lose the bits, you 758 00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.119 know, like I was talking to your nan and I was aware of the 759 00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.800 Mary name, and I was aware of the dot dot but I never went 760 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.880 back to the dot dot because we started talking about something else until Will interjected, 761 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.360 Which is great because that's what it's really like. You'll be doing meadingship 762 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:34.199 with somebody in your brain will bring up something, or this will happen, 763 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.320 or somebody will move, the dog will bark, and you will think that 764 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.880 you're doing something wrong and that there's this perfect state that you get to where 765 00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:45.800 it's so brilliant and you're so in alignment. But it's not true. Well, 766 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:47.960 it's a true testament to what you're doing out there for people. So 767 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.239 thank you for what you're doing. Everything that you're going to be doing your 768 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.960 show how to help people to connect themselves. Everything that you do is just 769 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:59.559 wonderful, So thank you for doing what you do, no worries that. 770 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:01.000 Thank you so much for having me. I've loved chatting to you again. 771 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.679 It's been so much, absolutely been an absolute pleasure once again. If you 772 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.199 want to connect with Hannah, all you need to do is go to Skeptic 773 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.599 Metaphysician dot com, go to her episode page and you'll see all of the 774 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:15.400 links laid in there directly for you. Website, social media, everything, 775 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.760 all the ways to connect with her. Hannah, it's been fantastic. Really 776 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.840 hope to see you again really soon because this has been wonderful. Thank you 777 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:23.400 very much,