Hello everybody, Welcome back to That's No Matal, and welcome back to hyper
Blast. We are coming at you with the week's news in rock and metal,
and we are gonna fix you right up with all of that. I
have fallen ill in like the two days since we did the Hours and Chain
special. I felt like coming on and I was like, well, I'm
very glad I didn't have to talk for you know, about three hours on
dirt sounding like you know, I'm in that room where it's recorded. Apologies,
but we are ready to go with all of this. My name is
Perren Hash with me is Sam Dignon and Mark Anderson is here as well.
How are we all? Yeah? Yeah, I'm on Like the other end
of being ill, like yeah, you covidn't you? I'm pretty sure it's
COVID. The test was saying no, but I mean it was everything that
I had. I had last night COVID. But I'm I bounced back.
I'm all good Now when I'm ready to chat shit and shoot one of my
favorite bands, I feel like I'm a I'm about to become ill. Thanks
to the rock and roll show I was at, Yeah, which was that
I wanted to see Mutoid Many a rock and roll show. Oh it was
proper like sweaty, dirty, hard rocking time. I really love the new
Mutoid Man album and seeing those songs, it just sounded so good. They're
all the time so fun that Stephen Brodsky opened the set by shouting happy Mutoid
Monday, immediately going into Call of the Void into Bridge Burner, like that's
how you fucking starter set? It was. It was a fucking rock and
tie. Let me tell you, absolutely beautiful speaking of a rock and time.
We are going to fly through all the news because my voice probably can't
stand up to do it for too long, but we are going to start
with a clip that surfaced on the Internet this week courtesy of a CDC who
posted they're sort of a bit of rehearsal footage for the upcoming Massive Power Trip
event that is happening. Whether they are one of like the six Massive Batters
to be the kind of representatives of rock and metal in like the largest stage
in the world. I didn't even realize that it had been so long since
ACDC even set foot on a stage, because they have, of course released
the Power Up album back in was that twenty It was early in and I
guess it makes sense that they didn't play shows for that. But the last
time ACDC where a live act was I believe all the way back in like
twenty sixteen something like that, So it's pretty fucking crazy. And I guess
they had to confirm who was in the band because Brian Johnson wasn't the vocalist
the last time they played a show it was all the way back in the
Axel DC era, So you know, upcoming, no surprise considering hit they
recorded a fucking album, but obviously Brian Johnson is back. These sort of
bigger news I guess is that Cliff Williams has come out of retirement to do
this particular show. I guess the fact that it's not a huge tour helps
in that regard. Also, I guess the slightly spicier piece of information here
is that Phil Rudd, who returned to record the Power Up album with them,
is not part of the live band for this and they have instead got
a new dramma called Matt Lowell on Matt Lorgue. And there was a lot
of like, oh my god, I can't believe Phil's gone again. No
Phil, no ACDC. There's a very very simple explanation for this. It's
the fact that he's got a criminal record and so we can't enter the USA.
That's what's happening here. He might well be a CDC drow next time
they record an album. But last time we were talking about Phil Red,
he was like threatening to kill people so he can't go to Power Trip festival.
I'm sorry, Yeah, the lads are wrong, and it was such
a huge thing. Oh my god, I can't believe Phil that the bands
like, yeah, he can't go, they won't let him in. Yeah,
I thought couldn't. Everyone would just have accepted that. No, I
think I think people have forgotten that. Though people have forgotten that he can't
enter the country, they've forgotten he's canceled. Yeah, just don't have him
in the band anyway. Guys are prick. Yeah, I mean he's I'm
not gonna say, Phil Red's not a prick. Like if he if they
want to have him record the records whatever, fine, fine, Yeah,
I don't care that much. I just did find it very funny funny when
the Phil Red Stan Army just couldn't quite comprehend that he can't go if he
does record the next album, wicked. If there even is a next album,
you know, Power probably had been the last one. But yep,
that is what acdc's live lineup for their first show in seven years is looking
at. I've got two stories here that I thought were it was just very
funny that they happened in the same week from completely different areas of the rock
and metal ladder. Nickelback the one you will probably see more widely reported.
Nickelback. I've always had quite good spirits about the fact that they are the
butt of a joke, right, Like, it feels like we've discussed this,
like the last time we reviewed a Nickelback album, which was like shockingly
fun. They're sort of like the tide of Nickelback hatred and then being like
the whipping boy of the rock internet. Has it kind of turned at some
point in the twenty tens, Yeah, they definitely became less like the most
like obviously hate band. I think there's just time moved on and there were
new things to hate cropping up, so people moved on from it. But
yeah, yeah, it was a sort of a slow until roundabout when Feed
the Machine came out in twenty seventeen. It started to die down completely.
I think it's completely fucking fair enough if they're getting annoyed about this. Yeah,
So the actual story in question here, because I haven't read the headline,
is that we we've you know, we were speaking about how Nickelback's hate
train seems to have very much departed the station and Nickelback have always been quite
i don't know, quite gracious about it, being like, you know,
well hasn't harmed us. You know, we are the fucking We're one of
the biggest rock bands on the planet, enormous like arena band, stadium band,
whatever, and you know, our fans have stuck with us, and
people secretly love us. But I guess this finally puts the kind of the
the end to the question. Because Nickelback, they've got a new documentary out
that's called Hate to Love Nickelback. This is the funniest part of the fact
they've got a documentary out they're promoting, which is titled after the Fact that
people don't like them. But after this whole thing, I guess this is
like the end of it for them, because Chad Kroger has now said that
if in an interview, if anyone asks, oh, what's it like being
the band that everyone loves to hate. He's going to walk out and end
the interview right there. This is the end of the line for even entertaining
the question. Yeah, good, Like, more power to him on this
one, because again I'm not necessarily saying that this means that they can't you
be a bit jove about I would hand them. But I can totally understand
that if you are asked that every time you step into an interview, yeah,
he's gonna get bored of it more than anything, Like, just ask
an actual relevant question to our band, to our music. I genuinely support
this move of bands saying you don't ask us stupid questions. Yeah, there's
a difference between sort of having a laugh and being in on the joke and
it being the main thing you have asked to you every single time you do
an interview. Yeah, and again, and something like for something that is
so outdated, like it's such a fucking two thousand and nine opinions to the
point where if I hear someone go haha, nickel back bad, I just
immediately assume, Okay, you don't have any opinions of your own, then,
like, surely there's much more interesting things to talk to Nickel back about
there's much more like worthy bands to be like ha ha bad about It'd be
a fascinating person to have a chat with, I reckon even just like outside
of this, just talking about, you know, his career, what they've
done over the years, what shit he's into that you might not expect talk
to him about. Fucking of all from man in It. Yeah, written
it again and again and again. But yeah, I guess I generally I
agree with you, I mean fair and like it in terms of reclaiming the
narrative once and for all with this and kind of ending the question fair enough,
I suppose if you kind of go into that asking them, I guess
it's your own fault for being such a kind of boring towing the line.
It's being boring lazy journalist at that point and not actually, you know,
trying to get an interesting story out of it. Yeah, and then the
weird dark mirror image of this completely from the other end of the table.
I mean, I'm presuming you know, Elliot's not here. Elliott is probably
the only person I could have even remotely assumed has ever heard of this album
question. But I just thought it's very funny It's happened the same week as
Nickelback's outburst. Massacre, the nineteen eighties nineteen nineties cult death metal band.
We spoke about them a little bit in Our Death Special because they sort of
span off of like the kind of leprosy era and so on lineup, but
their their debut record from Beyond, is a bit of a cult death metal
classic. The second record, Promise, released in nineteen ninety six, is
fucking one of the most dreadful, like widely hated, Like obviously it's such
a tiny album that you can't talk about it in the same way, but
in the circle that exists in we're talking some anger cold like elud divinam insanas
like that, those all time like beaten with a stick, why a missteps.
They turned it like a weird very you know, super midnighties like groove
metal band, but it didn't suit them and whatever. Cam Lee, the
vocalist who quit the band right after the album because he hated it so much,
has now said that if you this is an interview thing, this is
like Nickelback, This is like if you are a fan and you come up
to us and talk to us about this. If you are at the merchants,
and you even say that you like this album, They have said the
quote is here is the boundary. Do not cross it. We don't endorse
this album in any way. If you're a fan of this release for whatever
reason, although I can't imagine anyone with taste would actually be best, keep
that to yourself. Any posturing is an attempt to bring this album up will
be met with the same disrespect given by pushing that boundary. If you attempt
passive aggressive behavior by sarcastically supporting it, you will be, in turn be
met with the same sarcastic response and tone you're trying to put your bands over.
Basically, don't be a prick. The fact that they have gone if
you even tell us you like this album that we made, we will assume
you are being passive aggressive is so funny. As my favorite part is it
yet that they genuinely don't believe that anyone if someone said the album, they
think you're taking the pit genuinely like again, I'm the Homest album. But
the reputation is at a point where the band cannot possibly believe that anyone would
ever be clearly positive about it. Is that's incredible. I like kind of
listen to this album just to kind of like, yeah, see how much
a band could hate their own word that much. I've never heard of this
band at all, but it makes me want to hear the album more than
their classic album. No. I mean it's it's not that interesting to listen,
you know, it's just like nineties death metal band does a bad groove
metal record. But just what is it like? The approaching thirty years after
fact over twenty five years and I'll go in Please do not ever ever mentioned
this? You are taking the piss incredible cam Lee and Chad Crow where she
get together in a bar somewhere, put have a drink and talk about you
know, their their their respective bugbears and lines that you do not cross.
New music for this week the charge is being led by While She Sleeps,
who have announced their new album. It's called Self Hell the album is coming
out. Is this actually the first like big twenty twenty four release that we've
got confirmedbably? Yeah, it feels like I mean far away. Yeah,
they've announced that the record is coming in March the fifteenth. So yeah,
So in an era where we've had I guess increasingly short kind of announcement,
you know, for albums and then turning up six months so long fucking time.
I'm not sure exactly what the thinking is there, why they've been led
to do that, but you know, big release on the calendar for twenty
twenty four. Now we are getting into that time of help. The title
track from it has been released. I want to let you guys know,
I did not listen to the song until ten minutes before we've just recorded,
because it came out yesterday. As we've been as we're recording this, and
the only thing I saw I like, again, it was one of those
things where a song gets released and repeated posts like right like in the TNM
Facebook group, in the discord, just people on Twitter or whatever, repeated
post time talking and I'm like, oh my god, isn't the new Wild
she Sleeps song terrible? And just whole discussions there, and I thought,
I'm just gonna wait until we have to talk about on the show, like
immediate before to actually listen to it. But the the the again that that
that flood of like oh my god, isn't this something to kind of bash?
I always find quite like, Okay, where are we going with this?
What's your sort of your your thoughts on you know this as it developed
since since yesterday. I mean, I am like, I have a while
she Seeps Tattoo there one of my favorite bands, So I'm gonna I'm gonna
feel quite strongly about the moves they make. I've been gradually less keen on
like stuffought Sleep Society was a step up from So What. I think there
was some amazing stuff on the album, but I don't you know, it's
still a cry away from Brainwashed, which if you've listened to this pocophile you'll
know was in my top twenty of all time. I think the album is
one of the best Metalcorps releases ever. So I'm always like mixed with excitement
and nerves when I hit play on a new Wild She Sleeps song, Because
they're clear band. Who aren't you know, looking to just be a medical
band anymore. They want to stretch out they have done for a while now,
and I kind of expect that from them. But when I hit play
on this and was greeted by Laws doing his Fred Durst impersonation, I was
like, uh no, I mean, as for the sort tunnel of hating
it. There were two reactions I saw, which was either the Hayes you
saw or people be like, oh, the new she Sleeps song is a
bit divisive, isn't it always going to split fans right down the middle?
Yeah? Is this? Is this your subtle way of saying it's device is
another soul way of saying it's shit, because, like I did anyone actually
say it's good and like they were people trying to talk around it'd be bad.
But yeah, this is I would say, outside of that fucking five
minute arts machine thing on the last album, this is the worst thing Wild
Sheeps have ever done. Oh this is a fucking stinker. I on my
first listen, I thought, oh, that's not very good, is it?
But I've listened to it a couple more times in the fucking it doesn't
grow on me. It's the fucking opposite. It deteriorates on me. I
think it is really really bad. The production on it is so I don't
really understand what they're going for production wise, like what sort of sound they're
trying to go for. It just sounds pretty amateur and the chorus is like
embarrassing. I so again, like I said, I've literally just heard this
right, and I wasn't entirely sure. I saw limp biscuit thrown around a
lot, right, and the riff I think I can see that, you
know, it's it's a bit biscuit. I don't think the riff is bad,
it's fine, but the product riff a not very good. Yeah,
I don't even mind the production. I think the the big standout element that
I think is overriding any ability to kind of I don't know, even dissect
or appreciate anything else or whatever, is the vocal approach, and specifically the
main vocal hook almost from It's not as like you know, produced to be
like fully ebraceway it, but almost in the way like Guiney by the excerpts,
it was like, you can't, I can't do anything with this because
I just can't stand that him and the chorus in this is so out of
character for while she sleeps in such a bizarre way, throwing my ears around
to the rest of the mix. I'm probably the least overall negative in terms
of the construction of this. Like again, the riff is not bad,
there's a weird amount going on in it, like the the there's these really
quick little like almost like drum and basic drum, kind of great beeat parts
and that in the other songs, but yeah, here they're just gonna feel
really like sporadically thrown in without and then enduring underneath the chorus as well,
when I completely understand just hearing the vocal and being like, oh my god.
But under the chorus you've got those like trademark while she sleep leads but
almost going like a more like I don't know, like a fucking funk thing
or whatever, Like they's flaring up all over the place under that chorus.
And so there are things in this where I go that could work, that
could work, that could work, but I think it's you just don't quite
get over how odd a fit it all is for this, like the main
drive of it and the main hook of it like is to sell you on
even like the way you get to the last breakdown and there's that kind of
like Electroy part that was you know, it's like the stuff that they were
doing on something like Sleep Society. But Laws is talking over again. I
wish I could set myself apart from other lyricists. What the fuck, I
don't care, I don't give a fuck. It's like what are you doing?
How it's so I find while she sleeps now considering I generally like them,
like Sleep Society was a damn good record, So what was a I
think, don't think a terrible record. I think it was a decent one
that just had some weird ideas that needed to be kind of melded out.
But I do find them so bizarrely hodgepodge these days. And this is like
the most extreme that has ever been taken. I mean, because you took
mekes of those guitar leads and I was like, oh that those but they're
so they felt so buried. And when I think back to while she was
like those leads, I think to Seven Hills or Our Legacy and stuff like
that. Well, like they're so pronounce and so they stand so much,
and here when they just kind of like it's just sound a bit like piddly
versions. I haven't got the power that they normally have, and everything about
it just feels like a muted version. Or I just said, even when
law starts screaming on those breaks on the verse, it feels so like,
oh, I'm a I'm having a tantrum. I'm a kid getting a bit
angry. I was just like, I don't buy it. It doesn't feel
real or sincere at any point to me. And yeah, it just like
I don't want to be like, well, you know, it doesn't sound
like brainwash. So it's bad because I don't think that I have to sound
like brainwash, even if it's their best album. But this again just feels
like a weird mix of ideas that aren't jelling together, that the vocal and
lyrics are really distracting from everything else, and it just it feels just a
weird misstep that doesn't have any identity. I mean, we were discussing a
little bit in the discorse with the TNN patrons, how I don't know,
again, for such a kind of beloved band like you know by us,
like the long time, you know you came out all favorites here, they
have a very very awkward sensibility in terms of just like what what they think
is cool? Right, and like what the the the the while she sleeps
kind of ascetic and the sort of that there the way that they're kind of
their their embodiment of just like being a band kind of is it's a little
bit you, and it's become more so you and Sam you said it's a
bit you're kind of it's become quite steep, ascending with a skateboard. It
feels like at this point is where it's become that. Yeah, and again
I hear this song and I don't think every element in it is bad.
I think there are you know, solid ideas in it. And I can
certainly imagine this is going to be even more than the last two records,
the perhaps the most experimental While She Sleeps record today. And again I don't
necessarily discourage that, and I hope that there are things in that, but
considering what we've just said, I do wonder whether this might be a record.
I mean, again you look at that the again, the the lyrical
approach or the just general assetic approach of what they're going for in this in
this song and video and so on. I wonder if it will be their
most kind of steeper set me with the skateboard record to date, it's a
shame like like you say, they do have the it does have the while
She Sleeps elements, but you listen to previous records, those guitar lines they
saw, they shine, they have like real propulsion, and they like fly
across the tracks. This sounds buried and round out like, and the song
could have done anything, but all you can think about after it's done is
me, me, me, Me, Me, me me Me. Yeah,
I think that's that's the main thing. I don't I don't necessarily even
have the huge role in production that you guys do, But I just think
that the hook, the thing that it keeps coming around to. It's such
a weird hodgepod of things, and every time it's sort of centers on something,
it's it's the worst idea in the song. So I guess we'll see
if there is, you know, if there is better stuff than that on
While She sleeps Self Hell record coming in early twenty twenty four. Elsewhere,
Fueling Mouth a back, which I think is very good news because Fuming Mouth
we're a pretty promising sort of death metal, cume hardcore band who emerged in
the latter part of the twenty tens. But unfortunately I had gone a little
bit of a break because their guitarist Mark Wheeland went through a bit of a
cancer bout. But it was declared cancer free in twenty twenty two and they
are now back with a new record. It's called Last Day of Sun.
It's out of November the third, and I was actually quite struck by the
single from this it's called The Silence Beyond Life, And like I said,
there were sort of a you know, Swedish death metally come you know,
American krusty hardcore whatever blender things, the kind that we sort of you know,
we've seen that at various points before. But this song sounds like an
almost like a kind of Swedish death doom song, Like it's got a really
kind of me had paced melodic angle to it and full on like melodic,
clean vocal hook. I think it almost feels that I'm kind of seeing that
death metal krusty hark thing is. You know, it's quite a bustling scene,
so try to kind of carve out a bit of a new niche and
try something different. Yeah, I like it themselves from like falling sort of
into the sort of the pack. But yeah, I think this is cool.
I'm only giving it the one listen and I was like, Okay,
cool, that's called me by surprise, but yeah, excited about the return
of them and if they're gonna you know, continue to try new things like
this down for it, I didn't get a chance to listen to this,
but I remember them from back in the day and thinking they were pretty cool.
So that's really exciting that they're back. Yes, Also very very exciting,
indeed, is the fact that Two Molds, I think on Monday,
so about four days ago, announced their new album, which I've been wondering
where it was going to be for fucking ages. Their new album it's called
The Enduring Spirit, and it's in fact out today as this podcast goes out.
They're just dropping it on Friday, the fucking week they announced it.
When I say I've been wondering this album was Two Mold, you know in
the latter part of the twenty ten they at least now I'm like, every
single year, and the way they used to do it as well, as
they used to put out like a band camp demo of like a couple of
songs in you know, a sort of a more primal death metaly form,
and then like you know, within a few months they'd turn up on a
new album in the full production format, and Two Mold, after going away
for a couple of years, released one of those demos. I think maybe
last year, like back in twenty twenty two, so I was like,
where the heck is this is this new album? And then to just suddenly
be like, oh my god, here it is, and those songs aren't
even on it. It's just an all new set of stuff. Considering we've
already got the semi surprise Blooding Cantation mini album coming out this week as well.
Unbelievable day for a Friday, Yeah, unbelievable for cosmic death metalers.
The Mold Boys are back. That is absolutely going to be something I'm gonna
be spinning this week. Very very excited to see that. Elsewhere, We've
also got more death metal on the news. Suffocation have announced their first album
without their legendary lead singer at Frank Mullen, who was kind of retired from
the band in recent years. Ricky Myers, who has been their live vocalist
for a long time now, is now recording on them as well, and
they've got this new record out. It's also out on November the third.
The single from it just sounds fucking brutal, and I thought, yeah,
this sounds like it sounds like it's very much continuing, you know, without
Frank, but in the Suffocation guys that you would want so very cool stuff
in the world of death metal. Last week we were I mean, it
felt like it was a pretty much invitability when they're posting like that, but
we're wondering a Three Inches of Blood like they're about to come back, And
we did get the confirmation that Three Inches of Blood are going to be playing
comeback shows in Vancouver in early twenty twenty four. The first show sold out,
so I believe that they've added a second show. This is January the
thirteenth, and I've probably the fourteenth as well. And they also announced the
unto Others are going to be the support out for those shows because Gabe Franco
was a big Three Inches of Bloo fan back in the day. Absolutely cool
stuff there. If you are in Vancouver for that, have a lovely heavy
metal couple of days. Hopefully we'll see if this goes any further than that.
This is interesting. Just today it has been announced that Ford I Guess
to celebrate Maynard James Keenan's sixtieth birthday, imagine to just be able to go,
Yeah, I'll do that from a sixtieth. Pussy Fur, A Perfect
Circle and Primus are going to be doing a tour together. During which there's
not going to be any change over between the bands in terms of sets,
stopping and so on, but rather a continuous sort of revolving door wherein the
first band will be then joined on stage by the second band, who will
then play together for a little bit, and then the first band will leave
and so on. So you're going to have a ever sort of morphin continuous
puss a fur perfect circle Primus show, which just Primus alone makes that a
fucking weird, weird idea. But man, I have no idea what the
hell that's gonna look like. I mean, I only liked one of those
bands, but there's they show it as a free band. Who I'm a
fan of one of those bands? Yeah? Like who could put like they're
quite you know, experimental avant garde bands as it's so they can I feel
like they every bands who can sync up and do something quite cool with that.
So that's that's I like, Yeah, so it's a cool idea.
No one else would do this, no one else would even have the idea.
You know, I'm not really a fan of any of the bands really,
but on paper, I think I think it's really cool. I wouldn't
mind it feels like more of a I show. You just sort of very
bat Yeah, watch as a as I show, you know, I think
it would be a laugh. I have no fucking idea how they'll do it.
Yeah, I'm a getting I'm very curious just to watch footage or whatever
to see sort of like you know, the middle parts of each band sort
of crossover a bit where you've got two of those you know on stage at
anytime. Fascinating idea. And Mary on Across this week has been certified as
Ghosts first platinum certified single in the US, which you know, platinum and
so on. It's a hard lot harder to quantify these days, and it
was back when he were just buying singles, but that is of course a
big old stat for one of the current leading lights of you know, rock
and metal in the mainstream. Questions come from the Atomital focus group on Facebook,
where you can go on and ask for these. They are back for
this week and Peter hen is going to kick us off saying, my partner
and I lost our beloved cat BlackBerry last week. She was about sixteen years
old and we've had her for eleven years and we missed her very much.
What is the best song from our world about a pet? Peter, I'm
very very sorry to hear this, and I'm I know for a fact that
you will be a very you know, in agreement when I say sleep in
the Heat by Putt. Yeah, I don't think it's my number one,
but it's the very first one that comes to mind when I think about,
you know, a loss of a pet songs. I mean the fact that
it's a chameleon as well, it's such a specific odd animal, but it's
it's so I don't know, it's so endearing that song. It's that that
that that was just me my again, I felt like again because it's about
the Oscar pet. So the way it's kind of helps processing. But when
I think of like Sleeping Heat and that seeing it live whenever it gets that
woe part and what I'm moment in the set, it is, it's one
of it probably be my favorite pop song. So like like that is We're
gonna be my shout for a song about a pet lord than Atlantis have a
Is it called Emily? Oh yeah? Actually actually a death of Anna Mildred.
Uh. There might be about losing a cat or losing a dog,
but so that's that's actually a great song. It's one of the best amazing.
Yeah, that's the best half of Vanna song. I wouldn't recommend this
as like, you know, if you've just lost a pet. But there's
that ball in for Soup song that's card My Weener. That's was like,
Oh, I'm a carving birt my dog, Willie. I completely forgot that
was a pet song. Yeah, I'm a carving birt my dog crying or
am I coming? God? That one's quite a thinker. Wipe them from
the planet. Honestly, there was that that That Catterpart's album we reviewed last
year was like that yeah, which again was about his cat dying, So
that that came to mind because it's specifically cat related. I feels like there's
like dogs obviously the most sort of a common theme of rock related songs.
You know, man's best friend and so on, and you know, I'll
bring us back to the heavy if you're going for Death of Varna and fucking
Bowling for Soup, the couple that really stand out to me as being like
genuinely amazing songs. I didn't even I'd forgotten this detail, but when I
was like looking at things earlier. All We Love We Leave Behind, the
title track from the Converge album is about Jake Bannon losing his dogs and that
I think that probably would be like the best song that we're talking about here.
That's like one of the very best songs on that record. And then
another one is another amazing song that is would probably be the most depressing example,
So maybe don't listen to this if you're looking to cheer yourself up.
But the title track of Type of Negatives, Bloody Kisses, which is the
Bloody Kisses a death in the family song was inspired by the loss of Peter
Steele's cat, and he kind of he turned it into a large, more
more metaphorical thing, and there's a lot of lyrics in there that you know,
seemed to be more about you know, a woman or whatever than that
than a cat with the bloody kisses and so on, which I think was
an intentional thing to kind of make it not just about a pet. But
it's that's a that's like the dirtiest song on that record, Like that's just
like the ten minute doom song of just like oh I've I've lost something,
I've lost someone, And that's a really that's a stark little song, and
then also not a song, but just a nice little nod. I guess
that always comes to mind is the Spirit Adrift album Enlightened in Eternity, which
is the one before the one we've just reviewed. The artwork has like a
bunch of it's of like a big fantasy painting with like, you know,
guys on horses riding into battle this kind of thing, but riding alongside them
is there's like a maybe like a black labrador or something. There's a there's
a dog, and that dog, I believe I'm right in saying is like
a direct likeness of Nate the singer's dog, which which had died during the
creation of the album, and it's forever memorialized in this like epic heavy metal
fantasy painting riding alongside you these you know, kind of valiant warriors. And
I think that's a very cool and lovely example of something that's been done there.
Graham pest Preston ars, have you ever witnessed a catastrophic stage show failure
or maybe a spinal tap stonehenge moment? I was reading about that this week
because it's it's the fourtieth anniversary of Black Sabbaths Born Again album this week,
which I really want to do that like Lost Years Black Sabbath Special, because
the Born End cycle alone seems to be like inside a Year or whatever,
all of the craziest, daftest rock and roll stories a band could do.
Where the Stonehenge spinal tapp thing is directly inspired from something that happened during the
Ian Gillan era Black Sabbath run. But in terms of things that we personally
have witnessed, what is the I guess the biggest stage show gaff that you've
ever ever seen? I mean I've not seen many that I remember Trivium when
they were playing on the co headline tour with Kill Switching Gage No Pols should
over won the show two things and he just basically like completely took him out
when it went off, like like James Hetfield style. Yeah, yeah,
like blasting, He went flying backwards with it. That was pretty funny.
And there's no one saw obviously and not necessarily stage of gaff. But I
do actually have to bring up a video that's been going on Twitter just because
this question did make me think about it, which was I kind of think
what metalcore band is. But it's been going on in the last couple of
days of a metalcore band, Huge one. That's it, and and and
and just everyone just not moving when the thing drops, and it's just like
like all those hilarious gonna bad. I've seen that happen for Shove Ups,
who I believe was supporting Tribune at the time. But I've seen that exact
thing happened where the wall did not did not and I've never seen something exactly
like that, but just that kind of always counter like for metical bands,
that's almost supposed to going to get to a stage show. So when they
do that and it just no one moves, I'm like, oh, that
is as bad as your stage show going. That is like as spinal tap
as it gets from metalcore, isn't it. That's painful. I I was
racking my brain the only one I could think of it. You know,
it's not very cool. But I saw the very first Micbusted show when they
did mcwin Busted to join Enforces, and clearly they hadn't like figured the entire
stage show out yet because it was the first show, but they had like,
maybe this will be the the puss of a perfect circle. Primus Debarkle,
Oh my god, two right mate, this should play a year three
throesand as well. Yeah busted. They had like flames and stuff that didn't
go off, and there was like set pieces like where they were supposed to
fall off the stage or whatever, and it just wasn't working and it was
a bit awkward. It wasn't as cool as you know, fucking Born Again
ever in Black Sabbath. Yeah, my two examples that spring to mind.
One isn't a stage show thing, but it certainly affected what was going on
on the stage. Quite infamous. Now Mayhem at Damnation twenty nineteen. Again,
this is one of the sort of word of mouth rumor things, So
I don't know exactly if this is true or not, but the word is
that they had brought along their own sort of like sound desk, so rather
using the in house sound desk all the other bands on the main stage we
using, they had their kind of their own thing going on, and it
wasn't set up properly. I don't know what was going on, it was
their Their set just kept grinding to a halt because the sound rig just kept
collapsing basically and burned into my brain. A shirtless Necro Butcher, the mental
bassist of Mayhem, absolutely fucking, fuming, livid, storming. He's quite
a small man, storming across the stage, throwing cans of beer from one
end of the stage down, you know, to the other because their fucking
rig was collapsing. I've seen Mayhem since and they were great. That was
just really a one time, fucking mess of a thing that happened in terms
of a stage show. Again, this isn't a catastrophe, but it's a
very very recent memory of mine. If you've listened to the Bloodstock review that
I did not too long ago, Kk's priest filling in for Helloween's you know,
canceled slot and bringing along their like stage screen thing, which was one
of the napest things I've ever seen, but particularly the aspect ratio and the
way that the video didn't seem like it had been lined up to the size
of the screen that the festival was going to be using, and just like
the fact that they like just the image of like a big truck going down
a desert glitching in and out of place on the frame because it wasn't the
right size. It's just one of the most like it's like banal spinal tap.
You know, it's it's like it's nowhere near that level of ludacrousnas.
It's just like it's so fucking you know, such a banal level of like,
oh, this is just something NAF going wrong. I guess at festivals
is when you imagine more things do go wrong, because I feel like in
their own shows, most you know, Cruise or whatever a pretty professional at
this stage in the game. Caroline Marie asks drummers as lead vocalists, when
does it vert work and when doesn't it? Brutus has an awesome lead slash
drummer, but I'm not sure it'd work if she stepped out as just lead.
Code Orange worked really well with Jamie behind the kit and works even better
now as a front man. Are their bands where a leads slash drummer didn't
work once they became lead only? This is quite a large question, I
guess. The only way I could answer it's just condense it down to like,
can you imagine I guess drummer vocalists at the moment for whom them stepping
out behind the kit would be either a good or bad scenario. Because I
gen I couldn't think of one whereas likes that's happened, you know and gone
wrong. Maybe Ringo Star trying to have a pop career is like the most
ill fitting that you could imagine. But like, there are a lot of
great druma vocalists right particularly, I guess an extreme metal and underground circles.
There are like lows, you know, Chris Rifer from Autopsy, I don't
want to see him get out from behind the kit. His like manic presence
behind it is a big part of it. I just saw Anti Christ Sis
Machine recently, who have a druma vocalists and the same there brand Dayla from
Mastered on. I feel like that'd be a bit weird. I don't know
if he was just frontman, yeah, I was gonna say, I mean,
because mass On this is the multi vocals exactly. But even just like
the only thing I can guess is I would love to see him fronting a
Judas Priest cover band, because there was an amazing video of a two Minutes
to Late Night cover of them doing like screaming for Vengeance or something, and
he wore the full get up right, like the full leather, the cap,
everything, and he can fucking kill it, but brand Dayler just dressed
as he normally is. Somehow that doesn't seem so fitting. Yeah. I
couldn't imagine him like stepping up one again. I mean, I can't think
of anywhere I'm like, the only one I would say it has been said,
it's codeins just I think they are genuinely a better band with Jamie at
the front of the stage otherwise, Yeah, there's normal. What I'm like,
Oh, I think they should step out from behind the kit and they
would. That would drastically improve the live show. Yeah, I can't think
of that. The only thing my brain has given me is a tray you.
I was like, would that make a tray you better? Though,
Like, you can't, you can you can't improve on perfection, you know,
perfect as they are? Yes, Well, Patreon supporters, this week
you received the first part of our sort of long threatened at this point,
Allison Chains Special. We we thought we'd follow up the album Club where we
were talking about Matchbox twenty and all that. We've got a nice little reference
there into the special itself, talking about grunge and yarling and all that stuff.
It continues with, in my humble opinion, the greatest of all of
those bands, and our first part, as said in the intro of this
episode, was that I think it's just shy of three hours long in which
we spoke about the early years of Alison Chain's up to and including the of
course Seminal Dirt album. We spoke for a long long time on that and
really really gave it the full dissection that deserves, but also talking about how
they got there and the place they came from. I think is again of
all the grunge bands and so on and bands of that ear, I think
it's one of the most fascinating early years kind of discussions. How we go
from Alison change very much like that, Like that's something that I'd never actually
kind of gone in on that whole part of their career until now, and
it's like, fuck me that the difference in the first ration of what this
band is of like Lane Staley in a rock bands, its lead to going
into Alison Chains and how you can still find the odd particularly on like face
of maybe the odd little throwback to to some of that and how they were
like the transition point between glam and grunging away. Yeah, like the emotional
roller coaster of like doing this episode where I was like, I was actually
full on belly laughing at points listening to like Alison Chains stuff all the way
through to how like you know, very not funny, a lot of what's
going on around you know the Dirt album in particularly in this part Dirt,
it's one of those albums that just takes me every emotion word. There are
songs like why I genuine to fist, pump and stomp around and have the
best time because they are amazing schools, but then you're gonna go like at
the same time, they are songs that make you feel just bad and that
that had. The way that album transforms and transitions it is, it's a
heavy discussion to have on that album, and like just yeah, it's pretty
incredible. Chat Yeah and Facelift, I said as well, I feel it's
an album that's been long overdue t and M discussion because I think, you
know, Dirt and you know we're going to talk about the jarre fly zp
and so on, they seem to get all most of the glory. But
like Facelift is such a significant and as well unique and kind of strange album
to go in on. So I really talking about that if this was one
of those like, you know, parts for a special where listening so much
in the days building up to it, I got fully lost and it listened
to the same fucking songs again and again, listening to like down in a
Whole six times in a day or whatever, and to the point where I
was like, oh fuck, I can't believe we're not doing the next part
immediately, like next week. It will be very very soon, you know,
just after we've done the weekly the monthly review show, and so we
will be coming back with part two of thousand Chains, where where we will
conclude the lane stally years and then obviously we're going to move forward from there.
So if you are into this story of one of the all time great
bands, I think it's it's a hell of up time that we are having
over there at the Patreon right now. So everybody you signed up in recent
you know months for the set of Awful or what have you, I really
hope that this is a special that you were going to have a lot of
fun with and you know, be involved with as it develops over the next
few weeks. You can find that at Patron. The com slash that's not
Metal let's close this hyper blast with the releases for this week, of which
there are quite a few, mainly in the underground, but particularly you know,
at the top end as well. We've got some big ones, none
bigger than, of course, the return of thirty Seconds to Mars with their
convolutedly titled album It's the End of the World but It's a Beautiful Day.
I had the VMA's on just on TV the other day and Darred leto turning
up to talk about hip hop. Weirdly but like dropping his album's title in
there was like a bit of a jump scare. It's been a while since
the thirty Seconds to Mars album, Isn't it? Is that Brian Garrison's pal,
Yeah, very much. I mean I forgot there was a fairy Seconds
to Mars album a couple of years ago. In between I was like,
man, it's been so since Love Last Day and Dreams. I was like,
oh no, there was an albumber between that that. That album is
burned into my mind because it's a special kind of terrible. But this one,
even though like I didn't realize it was coming out this week until like
two days ago, even though we were joking about like some of the music
videos and stuff where he's just filmed it on his phone trying to do a
TikTok challenge or whatever, but that is out. Corey Taylor has also got
his second Corey Taylor's solo album out Today's CMF two, and one of the
all time great TNM era rock bands, Baroness, return with Stone. Those
are, of course, and records maybe not the third Sex to Mars one,
but those are some records that we will have further thoughts on coming soon.
Tess a Act are back with War of Being. I'm not a Tessa
Rapt fan, as has maybe been alluded to on the show a couple of
times, but I have seen from the Tests a Rapt fandom that this record
kind of it seems to be like obviously not out for everyone to hear yet,
but there seems to be a lot of talk and a lot of love
around this particular Tests a Rapt album. So maybe for all you prog guys
out there, this will be like a big release for you guys this year,
I hope. So if you are into your nineties brit rock like you,
they're Mark Ash are back with an album called Race the Night Danko Jones,
the Canadian kind of just rock star lad. He's got an album called
Electric Sounds. This one was actually out last week, but I kind of
it slipped through the net of the releases list. I realized I meant to
mention that, Yeah, yeah, paying the Truth. They released their debut
album I think called Not Through Blood and we spoke up a band a little
bit this year where around outbreak and so on. They're kind of, I
guess, you know, one of the more popular current names in a current
wave of like New York hardcore. They are like the flag bearers for the
new wave of New York hardcore. No surprise is what this album sounds like.
Pretty much every song bar one has a guest spot. Yeah. Likes
violent, like hard hitting record. Loads of fun though, Yeah, and
also if you want some more kind of metallic hardcorey stuff. Magnitudes are a
band who have a record called of Days Renewed. Sam one of your favorite
bands are back with their Is this their second record in a year of the
year? This is this is the full band record, Yeah, acoustic solo
record but under the Warrior's brand. Yeah, this is Warrior is the banding
question. The record is called Trust Your Gut. I presume you'll be go
over this one, all over that. Yeah, I hope it's everything you
want it to be. Night versus kind of instrumental post hardcorey type deal.
Every sound has of color in the valley of night and if you want some
more you know, noodly stuff. Explosions in the Sky are back with an
album called The End or End, and then as we move really into the
nasty stuff this time, of course, as mentioned earlier, two Mold are
releasing their fourth album, but their first in about four years, The Enduring
Spirit. Brewheria, the very bizarre kind of Mexican drug cartel grindcore band.
They've got a record called esto es Brewhirio, which I believe just means this
is Brewhiria or something on those lines. Gridlink, the grindcore, fucking mental,
bizarre tech grind outfit. We spoke about a single from t album a
while ago. They are back with their first album in like almost a decade,
called Coronet. Jupiter and Shining, the Swedish edgy Shining have got a
self titled record out. For my sins, I think Shining have been a
musically very very engaging band to me and my taste at times over the decade.
So I will go check out the Shining Record and hope it's up to
the last two records I think they've put out. We're both like two of
my absolute favorites from so if this continues that great. Elsewhere, We've got
Alkaloid New Men. They are one of the best like kind of technical progressive
death metal bands at the moment. They share members with Obscurer and I guess
Tripticon now as well, but like super heavy Lovecraftian tech death and then getting
even more into sort of experimentally fair with your death metal. There's Fabricant Judge
to the Thicket out on Profound Law and Altarage worst case scenario, and then
as said earlier, there is the Blooding Cantation sort of two song mini album
EP thing Luminescent Bridge and Mayhem. I've got a live album out called Demonic
Rights, in which I presume their sound desk does not completely go ca put
and result in necro Butcher throwing cans across the stage. Go let's do whatever
that strikes your fancy. Thank you very much for listening to us. We
will be back next week. With September's review shows, and we will pick
eight of the gajillion albums that are coming out of the month September. We're
not going to cover all the we probably won't be able to cover the fucking
you know this prize release, two mold record or whatever, like, there's
so much going on, but we are going to pick eight records to talk
about in depth next week with myself, Sam and Elliott. So come and
join us there. As said, Allison Chains special is underway over only.
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