Hello, and welcome to the show of Martin willis your host. You know,
next week we're going to be in the Berkshires. Are going to do
a show right on the location, the Tom Tom Warner's farm, and there's
gonna be some new witnesses. So that's gonna be live next week on location.
It's going to start an hour early, so it's going to be a
three hour show. You can't miss that. It's gonna be a great one.
Some new witnesses are going to be speaking for the very first time,
and so it should be an excellent show next week. So after that,
I think, you know, I was just I have a boat moored out
on the ocean right right and harbor not too far away, and I was
on that with my phone the other day. It gets five gigs there and
the hotspot goes really well. So I think I'm gonna do. I know
it sounds crazy, but I think I'm going to do my show from my
boat from if the weather's good. If it's not, the tiny ship can't
be tossed, so I'm gonna see if that's going to work out. But
it's been an issue and hopefully things will be smooth throughout the show, so
my guests tonight. First, I was thinking about the up report that came
out, and I've got a lot of email about that. A lot of
people contacted me in different ways, Facebook and everywhere else about that and what
I thought about it, And so I was thinking, only this afternoon,
who would be better to talk about that than Kevin Randall. So he's coming
on in just a few minutes. He's someone I always looked to for a
great opinion and straight stuff on this UFO topic. So I am going to
bring Kevin in. Kevin, welcome, Thank you. I appreciate it,
and thanks for your last minute appearance. That you could actually do this.
I really appreciate that. It's lucky that I was on the computer. Sometimes
they don't see my email for a couple of days. Yeah, yeah,
I tried calling you first, but now I'm just so glad that you really
can just do this last minute. And I do remember the last time I
had you on the show, someone canceled and it was another last minute thing,
and I said, Kevin, I guess canceled. Can you come on
tonight? And you did the whole show right then. So I appreciate that,
and I mentioned just a few weeks ago I had I can't remember.
It was a guest from Canada that was on the show and your name came
up. We were both talking about if someone wants to get the straight scoop
about a UFO encounter, you can always count on your blog site. And
so right off the bat, for there's so many new people interested in this
topic right now, can you just throw out your website so people can find
it and I'll put it in the show notes as well. It's www dot
Kevin Randall dot blogspot dot com. And interestingly, I've got two long postings
that will kind of supplement what we're going to talk about in a few minutes
here about the UAP report and how that's all gone down. There's two there's
a very long report there and then there's a shorter piece to kind of clarify
some of the points. So let's talk about that. Um so, um,
you know, some some people are I mean, there's there's a lot
of uh, you know, stuff going around right now social media and stuff
like that. I try to stay away from most of that, but there's
a lot of people that were really angry that it didn't say they are aliens.
You know, I think I think that's what it boils down to.
That and this people have to remember this is you know, this is not
the full report. This is just a preliminary one. Well this is a
nine page high school report. There's not a whole lot in it. Yeah,
I look at it as Nathan Twining two point zero. Nathan Twining was
the commander of the Air Material Command back in nineteen forty seven when this whole
thing exploded in the United States. He was set a series of signing reports
to analyze, and of course he didn't do it. He had his intelligence
officer to do it. But he issued a letter in September of nineteen forty
seven. It said, the phenomenon being the flying saucers is something real.
It's not illusionary or visionary or fictitious. He's saying it's real and needs to
be investigated. And from that point they established Projects Signed, which he morphed
into Project Grudge, which became Project Blue Book. So they began a twenty
two year investigation into these things. But it started with this letter from Twining
providing some information and analyzes of what this information he had received was and suggestion
just the same things that Twining did back seventy five years ago. We've got
this report. The reports that we have or the incidents we have there haven't
been well investigated. There's a lot of data missing. We think it's something
real. And they boiled down to a variety of explanations, including plastic bags
floating in the atmosphere, balloons, drones, many of the things that they
said back in nineteen forty seven they could explain the UFOs. There was a
suggestion that although they had no real evidence of it, there might be an
extraterrestrial component. They kind of threw that bone out to the UFO community.
But basically, I look at this is the same thing that we were doing
back seventy five years ago, before any of us were born. They were
looking at this thing, and now we've got a new investigation based on limited
information that they didn't gather it very well. They looked at no nothing historical.
I cannot believe that the one thing they didn't do. Anybody who's been
to graduate school it has to do any kind of a dissertation or a or
a master's thesis knows one of the first things you do is a literature search
to find out what's gone on before, so you don't duplicate the effort,
and they didn't bother with any of that. They have access to the entire
Project Bluebook files, which are online. They have access to the Robertson Panel
report done in nineteen fifty three sponsored by the CIA. They had access to
the Content Committee report, which was the one that ended Project Bluebook in nineteen
sixty nine. They didn't look at any of that. They didn't contact any
of the UFO organizations. They didn't contact any of the UFO researchers who might
have been able to provide them with some ways of investigating this. It would
have saved them a lot of time and effort. Instead, they just went
out. While we talked to the pilots, we didn't get a lot of
good information. We have one hundred and forty four reports, which may not
be separate incidents. We know that Twining had sixteen reports that he looked like.
I think it eventually became a ten. But in that there were thirty
five reports, meaning thirty five witness statements were taken. So we don't know
anything about how many incidents were actually investigated by these guys, how many reports
they took. I don't know why they couldn't do a good job. They
said the Air Force came on late and they were kind of scatter brained in
the way they were operating, So well, maybe they should have looked back
into Project Bluebook and pulled up some of that stuff to give them some assistance
in it. I just think it's a very haphazard report thrown together to meet
a requirement that they produce a report within one hundred and eighty days of the
passage of one of the relief bills for the COVID nineteen, which I also
find incredibly ridiculous. We've attached that as a writer to a bill providing stimulus
for the American people, and instead we're worrying about UFOs. In that respect,
I think that the whole thing deserves more time, more effort, and
we just didn't get it. Well, do you think this is that's going
to be or do you think we're gonna hear from one of the things.
I do want to point out that I didn't hear you mentioned, and maybe
you did, but they're saying that they want to use contemporary reports because of
the data collection is more you know, modern. I'm you know, I'm
paraphrasing, but you know, it sounds to me like they don't want to
go into the historical reports because the data is not as updated or solid according
to what they're looking for. Anybody who has done any restored research projects knows
one of the first things you do is take a look at the history.
Yeah, you don't have to spend a lot of time on it. All
you have to do is take a look at the history and see what's gone
before you, so you don't duplicate the effort. What they've done is exactly
the same thing the Twining did seventy five years ago. They could have saved
themselves a lot of effort just photocopy that cut and pastry and throw it out.
I mean, we have the same the same results. I'm looking for
this to eventually evolve into conduct and two point zero, which is well,
the scientific community looked at this and they've decided that there's nothing to us,
so we don't have to worry about it anymore, which is what Condon did
fifty years ago. The interesting thing is this report has sort of negated Condon
by saying, well, there's something to be looked at, there's national security
issues. Condon said there weren't. There's things to be learned by studying this.
Condon said there wasn't. The Air Force has not been doing a very
good job. Condon said, they did a really great job. I mean
there's three conclusions that Condon reached by the way briar to even beginning the investigation.
The conclusions were written out and again that's documented on my blog as well.
Just type in Hitler letter it's Hippler and you'll see a letter from an
Air Force officer to the Condo committee. I think doctor Robert Lowe saying here's
what we'd like you to find. And then low responds, yaw, we
can do that. Haven't investigated a case, haven't done a thing, but
your are your conclusions, and yeah, we can do that. And I
think we're eventually going to run into that sort of thing that we're going to
end up with Condon two point zer and it's an appeal to authority. Well,
the authorities looked at this and there's nothing to it. But a lot
of us have spent a great deal of time, great many years researching this
carefully. There's all kinds of research. When you talk about the collection of
data, how many landing trace cases. Do we need to look at Ted
Phillips has what forty five hundred and maybe the collection of some of that stuff
wasn't as good as it could be, but there's some in there. There's
going to be very very good look at the photographic cases, the radar cases,
the cases with multiple chains of evidence. They're just ignoring all of that
because they have some bias against the history of the UFO phenomenon and it wasn't
collected properly. You're saying that the Air Force investigation for twenty two years they
didn't do a very good job and they didn't collected the data well during that
time. Is that what you're saying, And now you're going to do a
better job you haven't even looked at it. Yeah, you sound pretty frustrated.
Well, a lot of my friends John Greenwald, i think example,
said he was greatly disappointed in the report, and I'm thinking, I wasn't
disappointed. It's exactly what I expected. I didn't inspect there would be any
I gotta tell you, I expected less. I expected it was going to
be even, you know, more deflated than so. I was actually impressed
with a couple of things and one of them being the things you just meant,
you know, I mean the thing you just mentioned about you know that
there really is something to it, or that you know those one hundred forty
four one hundred and forty three of one hundred and forty four they're saying they
don't have an explanation for. I don't know if they're going to do any
more research into those particular cases, whatever they are or not. Well,
the thing is, if you go back and look at the twenty letter,
and on my blog, I've got a list of the cases that were sent
to him and the evidence, I mean, the analysis of the cases,
and you can take a look at those and some of those who probably can
be explained in today's environment, but at that time they were unable to explain
them. I think of the child's witted signing, which is not part of
the twining thing, but it took place in nineteen forty eight, where these
two airline pilots saw a cigar shape craft a square window shooting by their airline
at five thousand feet. In today's environment, I sincerely believe that what they
saw was a bowline of very bright meteor as it was breaking up through a
cloud labored layer. And if you look at some of the videos on YouTube
a meteor, it was one called meteor compilation. It was like three minutes
of nineteen seconds and somebody put together a whole bunch of videos of meteors breaking
apart. And you can see how people who got a glimpse of this thing
would think that you've got a lighted cabin and square windows on the cigar shape
craft. And you can see that. So we have an explanation for that
case, which was very mysterious back in nineteen forty eight. And I think
what we're gonna do is we're going to see that kind of thing here.
Well, this was very mysterious, but we found a glitch in our technology
here that kind of put this image in front of the guys, or it
didn't resolve it quite well. There was another and I discussed it on the
blog as well. When they released one of the videos and somebody had put
on YouTube. He connected night vision goggles to his cell phone camera and you
get the same kind of image that the Navy released of this pyramid shaped or
triangle shape object. Yeah, and so you're looking at a technological glitch that
created this sort of thing, Yeah, right right. Do you think,
though, um, do you think that it's just another case if you would
had to if you would have to guess on this, do you think it's
just another case of they're they're not going to be able to explain what it
is yet, so let's put him in limbo again, you know, I
mean that that type of thing. I think what they're going to do is
try to try to kill off interest in it, as they did in nineteen
sixty nine with the Content Committee. One of the one of the points one
of the points there was, you know, tell people what's going on and
remove the mystery from the phenomenon. And we have as these authorities saying,
well, there's nothing to this. We investigated this, we couldn't find that.
Condon couldn't explain thirty percent of the sightings. But the scientific community ignores
that. They said, well, we had a scientific investigation and they didn't
find anything. Take a look at it carefully, people. There's a lot
of interesting information in their same way with the Project Bluebo files, there's a
lot of information in there if you take the time to go through it,
that might help you understand the phenomenon. I'm sure they're right when they say,
well, there's various solutions. We're not going to have a single solution
for all the sightings. We're going to have a variety of solutions. And
I believe that that's what we saw with Bluebook. You know, sometimes it
was meteor sometimes was meteorological, sometimes it was strange cloud formation, sometimes it
was hoax as sometimes it was aircraft seen under unusual circumstances. Yeah, we're
going to have some of that sort of thing, but there's always going to
be that residue of things that they're not going to be able to explain,
and they're going to it. It's just kind of ignore that and say,
well, you know, if you have better information, we could have explained
that. Well, why don't you have that better information? You're investigating it.
You have the wherewith all of the United States government behind you, certainly
you can get the people to cooperate with their UFO sidings. Right, So
just one more question, what do you think would be a tipping point?
I mean, you would think that the Pentagon investigating UFOs would be kind of
a tipping point where let's really look into this seriously, and they are at
least doing you know, a show of trying to do that window dressing,
maybe, but still, well, I looked at this thing when I did
the UFOs in the Deep State, which just was published not that long ago.
Why presidents had wanted to get UFO information out to the public, why
they couldn't do it, Jimmy Carter for example. And what I learned there
was there are ways of dodging presidential edicts. You know, the president says,
I want to know everything you know about UFOs, and the answer is,
we'll gather that information for you and get back to you with a report
on that, and somehow it never gets done. And now we have this
document, this nine pages. They lived up to the obligation of creating a
report in eighty days, and the best they could do is nine pages.
There is just absolutely nothing there but their conclusion, sort of an executive summary,
let's see the data that you looked at and that sort of thing.
I think it's going to be that kind of a dodge, and we're going
to end up with its appeal to authority saying, well we looked at it,
we couldn't find anything, so there you go. Yeah, well I
didn't see any typos. Well, I think the secretarial talent at the level
they would be operating at would be among the best. Yeah, and besides
that, we have word check, which by the way, has been screwing
me up lately, misspelling, taking the wrong words and plugging them into my
documents there. So oh well, Hey Kevin, thanks as always, it's
always a pleasure talking to you, and hope to have you on for a
full show coming up another few months. I'll reach out to you, but
thanks so much for everything, and thanks for all you do really well,
and thank you for the kind words. I appreciate that. And tell everybody
to go out and buy UFOs in the Deep States so I can get to
number one. Hey, all right, I'll try to remember to put that
in the show notes as well. Take care, thank you, all right,
bye bye, all right everyone, so don't forget to tune in next
week at five o'clock. I'm going to be on location in the Berkshires.
It's going to be a heck of a show. And thanks so much for
watching and listening tonight. Sorry for the technical glitch, and remember to keep
your eyes to the sky.