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Hello, and welcome to the show
of Martin willis your host. You know,

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next week we're going to be in
the Berkshires. Are going to do

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a show right on the location,
the Tom Tom Warner's farm, and there's

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gonna be some new witnesses. So
that's gonna be live next week on location.

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It's going to start an hour early, so it's going to be a

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three hour show. You can't miss
that. It's gonna be a great one.

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Some new witnesses are going to be
speaking for the very first time,

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and so it should be an excellent
show next week. So after that,

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I think, you know, I
was just I have a boat moored out

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on the ocean right right and harbor
not too far away, and I was

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on that with my phone the other
day. It gets five gigs there and

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the hotspot goes really well. So
I think I'm gonna do. I know

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it sounds crazy, but I think
I'm going to do my show from my

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boat from if the weather's good.
If it's not, the tiny ship can't

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be tossed, so I'm gonna see
if that's going to work out. But

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it's been an issue and hopefully things
will be smooth throughout the show, so

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my guests tonight. First, I
was thinking about the up report that came

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out, and I've got a lot
of email about that. A lot of

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people contacted me in different ways,
Facebook and everywhere else about that and what

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I thought about it, And so
I was thinking, only this afternoon,

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who would be better to talk about
that than Kevin Randall. So he's coming

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on in just a few minutes.
He's someone I always looked to for a

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great opinion and straight stuff on this
UFO topic. So I am going to

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bring Kevin in. Kevin, welcome, Thank you. I appreciate it,

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and thanks for your last minute appearance. That you could actually do this.

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I really appreciate that. It's lucky
that I was on the computer. Sometimes

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they don't see my email for a
couple of days. Yeah, yeah,

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I tried calling you first, but
now I'm just so glad that you really

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can just do this last minute.
And I do remember the last time I

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had you on the show, someone
canceled and it was another last minute thing,

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and I said, Kevin, I
guess canceled. Can you come on

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tonight? And you did the whole
show right then. So I appreciate that,

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and I mentioned just a few weeks
ago I had I can't remember.

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It was a guest from Canada that
was on the show and your name came

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up. We were both talking about
if someone wants to get the straight scoop

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about a UFO encounter, you can
always count on your blog site. And

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so right off the bat, for
there's so many new people interested in this

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topic right now, can you just
throw out your website so people can find

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it and I'll put it in the
show notes as well. It's www dot

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Kevin Randall dot blogspot dot com.
And interestingly, I've got two long postings

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that will kind of supplement what we're
going to talk about in a few minutes

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here about the UAP report and how
that's all gone down. There's two there's

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a very long report there and then
there's a shorter piece to kind of clarify

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some of the points. So let's
talk about that. Um so, um,

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you know, some some people are
I mean, there's there's a lot

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of uh, you know, stuff
going around right now social media and stuff

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like that. I try to stay
away from most of that, but there's

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a lot of people that were really
angry that it didn't say they are aliens.

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You know, I think I think
that's what it boils down to.

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That and this people have to remember
this is you know, this is not

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the full report. This is just
a preliminary one. Well this is a

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nine page high school report. There's
not a whole lot in it. Yeah,

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I look at it as Nathan Twining
two point zero. Nathan Twining was

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the commander of the Air Material Command
back in nineteen forty seven when this whole

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thing exploded in the United States.
He was set a series of signing reports

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to analyze, and of course he
didn't do it. He had his intelligence

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officer to do it. But he
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seven. It said, the phenomenon
being the flying saucers is something real.

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It's not illusionary or visionary or fictitious. He's saying it's real and needs to

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be investigated. And from that point
they established Projects Signed, which he morphed

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into Project Grudge, which became Project
Blue Book. So they began a twenty

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two year investigation into these things.
But it started with this letter from Twining

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providing some information and analyzes of what
this information he had received was and suggestion

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just the same things that Twining did
back seventy five years ago. We've got

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this report. The reports that we
have or the incidents we have there haven't

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been well investigated. There's a lot
of data missing. We think it's something

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real. And they boiled down to
a variety of explanations, including plastic bags

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floating in the atmosphere, balloons,
drones, many of the things that they

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said back in nineteen forty seven they
could explain the UFOs. There was a

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suggestion that although they had no real
evidence of it, there might be an

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extraterrestrial component. They kind of threw
that bone out to the UFO community.

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But basically, I look at this
is the same thing that we were doing

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back seventy five years ago, before
any of us were born. They were

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looking at this thing, and now
we've got a new investigation based on limited

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information that they didn't gather it very
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I cannot believe that the one thing
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to graduate school it has to do
any kind of a dissertation or a or

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a master's thesis knows one of the
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to find out what's gone on before, so you don't duplicate the effort,

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and they didn't bother with any of
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Project Bluebook files, which are online. They have access to the Robertson Panel

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report done in nineteen fifty three sponsored
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the Content Committee report, which was
the one that ended Project Bluebook in nineteen

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sixty nine. They didn't look at
any of that. They didn't contact any

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of the UFO organizations. They didn't
contact any of the UFO researchers who might

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have been able to provide them with
some ways of investigating this. It would

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have saved them a lot of time
and effort. Instead, they just went

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out. While we talked to the
pilots, we didn't get a lot of

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good information. We have one hundred
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be separate incidents. We know that
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I think it eventually became a ten. But in that there were thirty

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five reports, meaning thirty five witness
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anything about how many incidents were actually
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they took. I don't know why
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said the Air Force came on late
and they were kind of scatter brained in

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the way they were operating, So
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into Project Bluebook and pulled up some
of that stuff to give them some assistance

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in it. I just think it's
a very haphazard report thrown together to meet

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a requirement that they produce a report
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passage of one of the relief bills
for the COVID nineteen, which I also

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find incredibly ridiculous. We've attached that
as a writer to a bill providing stimulus

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for the American people, and instead
we're worrying about UFOs. In that respect,

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I think that the whole thing deserves
more time, more effort, and

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we just didn't get it. Well, do you think this is that's going

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to be or do you think we're
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I do want to point out that
I didn't hear you mentioned, and maybe

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you did, but they're saying that
they want to use contemporary reports because of

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the data collection is more you know, modern. I'm you know, I'm

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paraphrasing, but you know, it
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go into the historical reports because the
data is not as updated or solid according

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to what they're looking for. Anybody
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one of the first things you do
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Yeah, you don't have to spend
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you have to do is take a
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before you, so you don't duplicate
the effort. What they've done is exactly

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the same thing the Twining did seventy
five years ago. They could have saved

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themselves a lot of effort just photocopy
that cut and pastry and throw it out.

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I mean, we have the same
the same results. I'm looking for

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this to eventually evolve into conduct and
two point zero, which is well,

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the scientific community looked at this and
they've decided that there's nothing to us,

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so we don't have to worry about
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fifty years ago. The interesting thing
is this report has sort of negated Condon

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by saying, well, there's something
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issues. Condon said there weren't.
There's things to be learned by studying this.

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Condon said there wasn't. The Air
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good job. Condon said, they
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there's three conclusions that Condon reached by
the way briar to even beginning the investigation.

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The conclusions were written out and again
that's documented on my blog as well.

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Just type in Hitler letter it's Hippler
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Air Force officer to the Condo committee. I think doctor Robert Lowe saying here's

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what we'd like you to find.
And then low responds, yaw, we

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can do that. Haven't investigated a
case, haven't done a thing, but

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your are your conclusions, and yeah, we can do that. And I

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think we're eventually going to run into
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end up with Condon two point zer
and it's an appeal to authority. Well,

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the authorities looked at this and there's
nothing to it. But a lot

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of us have spent a great deal
of time, great many years researching this

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carefully. There's all kinds of research. When you talk about the collection of

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data, how many landing trace cases. Do we need to look at Ted

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Phillips has what forty five hundred and
maybe the collection of some of that stuff

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wasn't as good as it could be, but there's some in there. There's

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going to be very very good look
at the photographic cases, the radar cases,

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the cases with multiple chains of evidence. They're just ignoring all of that

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because they have some bias against the
history of the UFO phenomenon and it wasn't

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collected properly. You're saying that the
Air Force investigation for twenty two years they

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didn't do a very good job and
they didn't collected the data well during that

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time. Is that what you're saying, And now you're going to do a

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better job you haven't even looked at
it. Yeah, you sound pretty frustrated.

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Well, a lot of my friends
John Greenwald, i think example,

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said he was greatly disappointed in the
report, and I'm thinking, I wasn't

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disappointed. It's exactly what I expected. I didn't inspect there would be any

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I gotta tell you, I expected
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be even, you know, more
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with a couple of things and one
of them being the things you just meant,

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you know, I mean the thing
you just mentioned about you know that

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there really is something to it,
or that you know those one hundred forty

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four one hundred and forty three of
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don't have an explanation for. I
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more research into those particular cases,
whatever they are or not. Well,

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the thing is, if you go
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and on my blog, I've got
a list of the cases that were sent

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to him and the evidence, I
mean, the analysis of the cases,

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and you can take a look at
those and some of those who probably can

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be explained in today's environment, but
at that time they were unable to explain

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them. I think of the child's
witted signing, which is not part of

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the twining thing, but it took
place in nineteen forty eight, where these

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two airline pilots saw a cigar shape
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at five thousand feet. In today's
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saw was a bowline of very bright
meteor as it was breaking up through a

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cloud labored layer. And if you
look at some of the videos on YouTube

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a meteor, it was one called
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of nineteen seconds and somebody put together
a whole bunch of videos of meteors breaking

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apart. And you can see how
people who got a glimpse of this thing

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would think that you've got a lighted
cabin and square windows on the cigar shape

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craft. And you can see that. So we have an explanation for that

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case, which was very mysterious back
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what we're gonna do is we're going
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Well, this was very mysterious,
but we found a glitch in our technology

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here that kind of put this image
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didn't resolve it quite well. There
was another and I discussed it on the

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blog as well. When they released
one of the videos and somebody had put

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on YouTube. He connected night vision
goggles to his cell phone camera and you

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get the same kind of image that
the Navy released of this pyramid shaped or

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triangle shape object. Yeah, and
so you're looking at a technological glitch that

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created this sort of thing, Yeah, right right. Do you think,

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though, um, do you think
that it's just another case if you would

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had to if you would have to
guess on this, do you think it's

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just another case of they're they're not
going to be able to explain what it

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is yet, so let's put him
in limbo again, you know, I

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mean that that type of thing.
I think what they're going to do is

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try to try to kill off interest
in it, as they did in nineteen

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sixty nine with the Content Committee.
One of the one of the points one

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of the points there was, you
know, tell people what's going on and

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remove the mystery from the phenomenon.
And we have as these authorities saying,

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well, there's nothing to this.
We investigated this, we couldn't find that.

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Condon couldn't explain thirty percent of the
sightings. But the scientific community ignores

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that. They said, well,
we had a scientific investigation and they didn't

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find anything. Take a look at
it carefully, people. There's a lot

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of interesting information in their same way
with the Project Bluebo files, there's a

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lot of information in there if you
take the time to go through it,

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that might help you understand the phenomenon. I'm sure they're right when they say,

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well, there's various solutions. We're
not going to have a single solution

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for all the sightings. We're going
to have a variety of solutions. And

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I believe that that's what we saw
with Bluebook. You know, sometimes it

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was meteor sometimes was meteorological, sometimes
it was strange cloud formation, sometimes it

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was hoax as sometimes it was aircraft
seen under unusual circumstances. Yeah, we're

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going to have some of that sort
of thing, but there's always going to

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be that residue of things that they're
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and they're going to it. It's
just kind of ignore that and say,

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well, you know, if you
have better information, we could have explained

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that. Well, why don't you
have that better information? You're investigating it.

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You have the wherewith all of the
United States government behind you, certainly

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you can get the people to cooperate
with their UFO sidings. Right, So

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just one more question, what do
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I mean, you would think that
the Pentagon investigating UFOs would be kind of

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a tipping point where let's really look
into this seriously, and they are at

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least doing you know, a show
of trying to do that window dressing,

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maybe, but still, well,
I looked at this thing when I did

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the UFOs in the Deep State,
which just was published not that long ago.

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Why presidents had wanted to get UFO
information out to the public, why

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they couldn't do it, Jimmy Carter
for example. And what I learned there

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was there are ways of dodging presidential
edicts. You know, the president says,

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I want to know everything you know
about UFOs, and the answer is,

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we'll gather that information for you and
get back to you with a report

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on that, and somehow it never
gets done. And now we have this

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document, this nine pages. They
lived up to the obligation of creating a

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report in eighty days, and the
best they could do is nine pages.

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There is just absolutely nothing there but
their conclusion, sort of an executive summary,

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let's see the data that you looked
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I think it's going to be that
kind of a dodge, and we're going

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to end up with its appeal to
authority saying, well we looked at it,

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we couldn't find anything, so there
you go. Yeah, well I

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didn't see any typos. Well,
I think the secretarial talent at the level

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they would be operating at would be
among the best. Yeah, and besides

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that, we have word check,
which by the way, has been screwing

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me up lately, misspelling, taking
the wrong words and plugging them into my

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documents there. So oh well,
Hey Kevin, thanks as always, it's

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always a pleasure talking to you,
and hope to have you on for a

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full show coming up another few months. I'll reach out to you, but

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thanks so much for everything, and
thanks for all you do really well,

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and thank you for the kind words. I appreciate that. And tell everybody

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to go out and buy UFOs in
the Deep States so I can get to

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number one. Hey, all right, I'll try to remember to put that

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in the show notes as well.
Take care, thank you, all right,

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bye bye, all right everyone,
so don't forget to tune in next

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week at five o'clock. I'm going
to be on location in the Berkshires.

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It's going to be a heck of
a show. And thanks so much for

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watching and listening tonight. Sorry for
the technical glitch, and remember to keep

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your eyes to the sky.