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Welcome to Round four of the Parenting
Roundabout podcast for the week of May eight.

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I'm Catherine the Lecco and I'm here
with Nicole Heretics, Hello and Terry

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Morrow. Hello. As moms of
teens and young adults, we've survived those

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little kid days. Yeah, we're
still rethinking the decisions we've made all through

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our kids' lives and worrying about what's
going on right now. Today's Thursday,

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which means it's time to give in
to our obsessing. And today we're obsessing

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about chat GPT, which Nicole says
is nothing to be afraid of. It's

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awesome. Does it clean up its
own popcorn in the place? How are

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you using it? Oh? In
a multitude of ways? Really. Yeah.

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So for those of you that are
not familiar with it, you it's

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a online platform and it kind of
looks like a mess messing messenger platform.

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So you go in and you give
the software a command. So, for

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example, write an email to my
boss telling him that I quit, and

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within seconds, this very well worded, formatted written email will be generated and

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which you can copy and use.
And so there's a lot of spinoffs from

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chat GPT because now you can have
it create presentations for you and images.

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I mean, there's just a million
ways in which you can use it.

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So I'm becoming a regular user myself, and it really does make life a

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lot easier, to be honest with
you. It can generate, right,

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you know, food plans, It
can put together I don't know, like

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a list of ideas. It can
help you brainstorm for an article. It

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can, But the problem is it
can also write the article and your life.

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I'm you're a writer here in trouble. This thing does stuff that formerly

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Katherine and I got paid for,
right, Yeah, that's the problem I

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have with yes, And I see
it so much now I see it even

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on I mean this, this like
freelance jobs website has an article here's how

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you can use chat GBT to help
you write your articles. And I'm like,

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you're supposed to be for us.
Why are you saying because once you

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help, let it help you write
your articles, it can just go write

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them itself. Yeah, you know
editing, Like, oh, look at

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all these great things you can do
to you know, have this artificial intelligence

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edit your stuff. That's my job. You're putting me out a work,

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Nicole. I'm taking the person like, no, Well, I mean I'm

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not using it to a list for
you. It helps me with emails and

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sure, you know, little bits
and pieces here and there. Uh,

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it's helped me generate ideas for things. Um, it's definitely useful in education

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and educational situation. So from a
teacher's point of view, soon's a million

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in one way, teachers just set
the kids up. See COVID was an

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experiment. All the kids will just
stay home and they'll have their chat GPT

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lesson. Now, have either of
you tried it? No, what's the

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enemy? You kidding me? Okay, it's gunning from my job. I'm

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old soon be no longer needed.
But still, I mean, there's there's

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the true certain aspect that you'll need
to you know, a writer needs to

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intervene with. But at the same
time, it's definitely, um a useful

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tool and it can be very It
can also be a form of assiste of

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technology and level the playing field for
a lot of people. That's what wants

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you to believe, Nicle, that's
how they suck you in. I just

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want to hear. Well, but
I saw an article about how there's one

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like AI chat bot that's meant to
be an emotional support bot. So it's

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coming for the therapists in addition to
the writers. So it's coming for everybody.

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Yeah, I mean it. Uh, Like I said, this still

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requires a form of human intervention.
Let's not calves here. It's not going

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to take over everything's famous last learning
from us and the ways we use it,

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and then it will find ways to
replace that. I don't know.

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It just sounds like a big sci
fi movie to me, and not one

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that ends well for my humanity.
So but in the short run, not

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one that ends well for people who
would like to make money with words.

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Yeah, right, editing them or
create, you know, composing them.

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Yeah, you know, I would
still say that the human spark is worth

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something and that no machine is going
to be able to write something as good

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as somebody doing it out of their
head. But you know what it can

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do a lot of the things we
read these days are not filled with the

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human spark. They're filled with I
got to fill in the blanks in this

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listical and it can do those fish
And you know, in the trajectory in

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my lengthy career, now that I
am an old person of writing editing,

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you know, it used to be
that you had to have some credentials to

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write and be published, and that
stunk if you were trying to start out.

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But still there was a barrier.
And then the Internet made it so

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that anybody who wanted to publish themselves
online could do it. And then all

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these websites start up and they just
need crap to put up, so anybody

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can write and make money as a
writer. And now it's not even going

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to be untalented people taking my work. It's going to be a machine.

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I would at least like it to
be an intalented person, but come on,

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no, it's going to happen.
Can I participate or not? Yeah,

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I declined to participate. But you
can embrace some of it too,

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extend. I mean, looky,
look at teaching, Look at education.

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Look at all the platforms that are
out there now that will support students and

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teach students different concepts. I don't
feel threatened because I know that I still

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have a place, I have a
role, So it's about embracing it.

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I'm kind of of the like,
let's see what it can do. How

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can it support us? What could
possibly go wrong? Now it starts?

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I don't know, Catherine, what
do you think. Yeah, I mean,

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I'm more of the like scared the
end of the spectrum, especially because

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of you know, the implications for
you know, as Terry said, there

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used to be some barriers to entry
and they're fewer and fewer, and you

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know, the the going right for
writers has basically stagnated or gone way down,

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oh my god, over time.
And obviously if you can get a

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computer and a to write something,
then you don't have to even pay them

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at all. So that's that's and
it's disturbing. I think it's able to

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take qualities of certain writers and artists
and use them to create something in the

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manner of what they would do,
which is I mean a huge what would

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the word even be violation of I
mean, can you copyright your style?

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You copyright your you know, creative
I I don't know that you can,

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but they're going to steal it.
And I mean, I think at this

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point it's still as Nicole said that
it still definitely requires human intervention because or

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oversight or something, because it will
it will basically like make stuff up from

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what I've read. Um, and
you know, someone has to definitely many

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a human writer as well. That's
true. But you know, how do

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you how do you get in there
and say like, yeah, I mean

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it's that's another scary part because it
makes stuff up, like you know so

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and so is the author of such
and such a book. Well, that's

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fairly harmless. But if it's you
know, so and so believes this or

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that, or they once said blah
blah blah, and that's not true,

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And how do you sort of prove
a negative to say that, no,

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they never said that. And then
once it's published, it has the veneer

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of truth. Right, I've searching
a web browser I use has a search

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engine that at the top of every
search it has an AI paragraph basically answering

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your question that it's taken theoretically from
all the different websites. It's sort of

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compiled, and sometimes stuff is wrong
in there, But is anybody gonna you

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know? I was able to catch
some things that were wrong because I knew,

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But if you didn't, you would
just assume that was correct. Right,

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And then once something becomes a public
perception, it's very hard to stop

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it. It just seems so fraught
with peril. I mean, if you're

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gonna use it and then have like
a human editor go through in fact check

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it. But nobody's gonna do that, right, And is there kids are

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using this even now to write their
school papers, right? I think that's

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possible. And there are detector tools. Yeah, I know there are detectors

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for plagiarism from the web, but
I don't there are detectors. Yes,

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It's gonna keep getting better, that's
the thing. There are there are tools

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that you can use that will say
like this is you know, eighty five

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percent likely to be we've written by
a human. But like you said,

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the AI gets better and better and
the tools can't keep up. So and

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there's there's plenty of humans who write
like a computer. So right, m

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h m hmm. That's going to
be an interesting challenge for teachers if it's

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that easy. I mean yeah,
but cell phones were also, I mean

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everything, everything, everything that is
new and is kind of the latest thing

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will pop up in a school at
some point and has to be dealt with.

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I think he's written by chatbots and
then they won't need Child State Team

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people. They'll be gone. We
have plugged in your child's particular abilities and

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this is this is what came out. It might actually be better perhaps that

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we get all the pronouns right and
stuff. But yeah, I don't know.

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I wouldn't mind it. For like, I bet it could write a

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really good like excuse to the school
for why your kid wasn't there, it

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would Yeah, I mean, I
don't know. I come from a world

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where my job is undervalued and replicated
over and over again variety of formats.

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Yeah, I just you know what, Let's just see where this takes us

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is kind of my my vibe right
now. I don't know. I think

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maybe we'll have a different conversation in
a year when our at we'll have a

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conversation with each other. We won't
even think that emails like there's a here's

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a bot that will write all your
show notes for you. So see,

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Katherine, you could save yourself so
much time. We don't need you.

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I will say that the zoom transcript
is get does has improved? Are they

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getting better? Yeah? Pretty soon
they'll know. They still can't figure out

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what our names are, but you
will forever be t E R R Y

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m O R r ow. Yes, but Nicole ratics and Leco boy it

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it struggles, but at least can
get close on mine. Yes, But

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other than that, yes, it's
it's definitely improving unless we talk over each

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other then and then it's struggles.
So yeah, yeah, feeling like a

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dinosaur. I'm glad I'm at the
end of my career or not early on,

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but still I can see it coming. Yep, you know, because

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I see from time to time I've
gone slumming for work, and I see

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some of the really really low paying
writing work that's going to go completely go

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away. They don't need human beings
for that anymore, right, so,

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and then the that I do will
become the little peg why you work?

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I made a thousand dollars for a
TV Guide article in nineteen eighty one.

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Maybe yeah, now, gosh,
I I can't now they would pay magazines

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pay for anything now yeah. Yeah, it's not two dollars a word anymore

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like it used to be that.
Wow, oh well for sure. How

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will it replace parents? That's what
we got to think about. There was

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a there was a headline and the
Walls three journal that was like I replaced

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myself with chat GPS for a day, and I fooled my family, and

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I'm like, honey, that's not
a good thing. I didn't read it

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because I thought it would be like
a horror read. You know, yeah,

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interest, but it's coming for us. It's been nice knowing y'all.

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But we will it be able to
segue. I don't think it's going to

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be able to segue. It may
not. I don't think it will do

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it with the same grace and style
like we do. Right, But you

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know, that's it for today's Round
four. Tune tomorrow when we'll share our

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