1 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,519 What is krack alaking fellow thermonuclear a evers? I am Dan Valley coming at 2 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:26,839 you alone for an emergency ish podcast because it is Sunday. I was not 3 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,719 planning on recording. I was at a bridal shower when the drew holiday to 4 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,479 the Boston Celtics News broke going to podcast anyway. After the fact, I 5 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,600 debated whether too when we could get its real talk. It's someday, so 6 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,240 I'm just gonna meander around here for a bit. I really wanted to, 7 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:50,399 because my schedule gets absurd starting Monday, October two, as does probably everyone's 8 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:54,039 in the business, but mine gets super hectic, more hectic than normal. 9 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,399 I just wanted to come home, take an edible, maybe stuff my face, 10 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:00,280 and just chill for one last night before four really hit the ground running. 11 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,400 I've already recorded. I think like nineteen team, look aheads, we're 12 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,959 taking a little bit of a beat. We'll get the last eleven out before 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,680 opening night. But want to let training camp happing go through all that stuff. 14 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,879 But no, we're not gonna do that immediately. I will get there 15 00:01:12,879 --> 00:01:17,840 hopefully at some point. Tonight's relaxing and taking my edibles. Should take the 16 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:19,959 edible and recorded the podcast, but I don't want to give you guys that 17 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,239 experience, so again it's Sundays. I feel like that should be allowed anyway. 18 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:32,079 Draw Day member of the Boston Celtics. That is not unexpected, Portland 19 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,560 rerounding him to Boston for Malcolm Brogden, Robert Williams. A third maybe a 20 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,319 little surprising. So much to dig into here, Golden States twenty twenty four 21 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:46,120 first round pick that is top four protected and an unprotected two twenty nine first 22 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,000 round pick. Let's start here. We're gonna go into lots of Celtics stuff, 23 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:55,680 but one the Blazers, I mean getting a capslock Hall at the moment, 24 00:01:55,719 --> 00:01:57,239 and we'll get into that, but we have to start with Boston. 25 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,120 They have had one of those fascinating off seasons. To me and I think 26 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,400 probably to everybody, that Christops Porzingis move was so polarizing as anyone who listens 27 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,840 to this nose, I'm not a fan of it. I think they sacrifice 28 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:15,879 defensive versatility by getting rid of Marcus Smart, you definitely sacrifice playmaking. Porzingis 29 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:19,719 is notoriously I don't want to say unavailable, but his health is rickety, 30 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:22,520 and yes he was fairly healthy ever since he went to Washington, so for 31 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,599 about a year and a half. Great dealing with planet or fashionar stuff. 32 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:30,199 Already, you extend him. Drew Oude kind of makes the Marcus Smart trade 33 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,560 more justifiable or more palatable, I should say to me, I think it 34 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:38,759 was justifiable beforehand. It's more palatable to me. He doesn't give you as 35 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,759 much defensively when you're looking up and down the positional spectrum. He was better 36 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,520 defensively overall though last year, and so you can look at that and that 37 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,879 ends up being huge. He is going to be extension eligible and I think 38 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,879 he can add up to two hundred million dollars in four years. He is 39 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,599 double checking his age right now, thirty three, just turn it in June. 40 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:00,479 So not super a chin I would expect. And the Celtics, I 41 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,159 believe, have already come out and said, or the reporting is they want 42 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:08,280 to keep him long term, which that makes sense. You paid a crap 43 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,240 ton to get him, not a crap ton, but big a lot to 44 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:17,719 get Drew Holiday. He is a very good plugin play offensive player, and 45 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:24,360 I think there's been some divergence from how on opinions from how on how good 46 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,639 he is now because of some of the playoff Floyd bulls that he has had, 47 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:31,159 and those are real, like, he is not shot well in the 48 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:36,879 playoffs really at all, even dating back to Milwaukee's championship push with him during 49 00:03:36,919 --> 00:03:39,599 the regular season, though, this is someone who when he gets into the 50 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,439 lane, defenses are going to react. He can draw coverage. Maybe you 51 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:46,719 don't want him going one on one. My dogs are excited about this trade 52 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:50,439 too. We'll shut the door and maybe you cannot hear them. We're just 53 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:53,919 powering through this is it's someday we're one taking this. I'm not editing Jack's 54 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,240 shit. So, and he's shot really well from three since he's been in 55 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,080 Milwaukee, and he's even the past two seasons, I think shot like forty 56 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,960 percent or something on step back threes. I'm like, real volume, not 57 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,960 like Luca Donch's James Harden volume, but but real volume. And so now 58 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,199 you get that creator in there, you get that other pastor in there. 59 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:16,399 It alleviates a ton of pressure on well, Malcolm Brogden specifically he sat there 60 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:21,000 anymore on Jalen Brown, on Jason Tatum, on Peyton Pritchard, of course, 61 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:27,160 And so I like the move here, especially in response to that Marcus 62 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,079 Smart trade, and so like Derek White's job is now easier, and like 63 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,600 the defense from can still be. I still don't view them as as versatile, 64 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:41,560 but like, just straight up you're looking at Kristaps porzingis his rim protection 65 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,079 if he doesn't have to move around too much, and then you have Derek 66 00:04:44,079 --> 00:04:46,600 White, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, and Drew Holiday on the perimeter. 67 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,600 I mean it's something out Drew Holiday for Marcus Smart. That's still just wild 68 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,120 to me, Like just looking at this straight up. So and especially because 69 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:59,920 Drew again I in my opinion, was a lot better or at least noticeably 70 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,839 better defensively than Marcus Smart last year. Maybe I'm wrong there. So I 71 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:08,480 like the deal. I understand the deal. There is real risk here though, 72 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,759 I mean their rotation now, when you stretch six deeps you have Horford 73 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:17,120 porzingis Tatum, Brown, White, and Drew Holiday. That is a that 74 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,399 is a cap slock six. I don't think you find a better six man 75 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:26,759 rotation in the NBA right now, kind of just off the cuff did at 76 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:30,480 Denver after losing Bruce Brown. I don't know if they might have a case 77 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,240 depending on how you feel about Christian Brown or maybe maybe Reggie Jackson. He's 78 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,720 had a great summer. Guys, So yeah, that that top six. 79 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:42,839 But when you're going through the regular season and you need to eat up innings 80 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:46,480 or you need bodies. So now you're looking at Peyton Pritchard. They have 81 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:51,480 che Brissett is there and Sam Howser. That's I guess that's fine. It's 82 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:56,639 not great, and so I'm wondering if could this be a Reggie Bullock team. 83 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:59,040 I thought the Bucks would be a Reggie Bullock team. I think they're 84 00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:00,920 full up right now. And they signed Cameron Payne, so they already kind 85 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:05,360 of entered that tax bill equation there. I wonder if this makes Boston the 86 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:09,199 clubhouse favorites for Bullock. At the same time, it's sort of, well, 87 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:12,959 you have all these like Drew Holiday can defend wings. He defends wings, 88 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:15,600 and so maybe he doesn't defend Biggs as well as Marcus Smart, but 89 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,600 he's gonna give you defense at every other spot as well as Marcus Smart. 90 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,959 And so are you a Reggie Bullock team? Like just to have a body, 91 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:24,920 I think at this point you're probably need to lean more towards a center. 92 00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:28,160 And this is what gets super fascinating here. Look, let's stick with 93 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,959 Drew Holiday for a second. I think the fit is unquestioned. I know 94 00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:34,519 some people are down on Drew's offensive watching him the playoffs. Now you put 95 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,800 him in Boston, Boston's pecking order where it's could he be fourth in a 96 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,800 given game depending on if Christops has it going and you have Jaalen Brown, 97 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,959 you have Jason Tatum. That's just and even if okay, let's say he 98 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:46,680 is third, or he's gonna be a point guard, so he has a 99 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,439 ball in his hands a lot. Do you consider him number two? Like 100 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:55,120 that's just gonna make you give more space time to read and react to attack, 101 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,439 to a Jalon Brown, to a Christops Porzingis. So someone two of 102 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,160 those three Jason Tatum is just defenses are king in on him. Two of 103 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:09,199 these three guys that were gonna benefit exponentially in Drew Holiday, Jalen Brown, 104 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,560 and Christos Porzingis. And it's just like I think it might be the ladder 105 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,879 two or Jalen Brown and Christos Porzingis. Drew Ode is a better, more 106 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,199 threatening off the dribble score to me than a Marcus Smart from just the outside 107 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:26,160 in and when you look at him getting into the lane, I think defenses 108 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:29,759 they at least react like they're more concerned about what he's going to do there 109 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,240 when you look at how they're maybe gonna try and force him, you know, 110 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:33,519 to the baseline a ton just throw a ton of bodies. And now 111 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,519 he's kicking out too. By the way, the two things that are the 112 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:42,040 difference here that I think are key from Milwaukee is they're just gonna be more 113 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,680 spacing, so it's more room for him to just sort of maneuver. And 114 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,839 like the shooters he's kicking out to, it's Jayn Brown, it's KP, 115 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,959 it's Jason Tatum. I mean like sometimes it might be Sam Hous, Like 116 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:56,920 you didn't have those, You had Brook Lopez and Chris Middleton, and there's 117 00:07:56,959 --> 00:08:01,839 Grayson Allen in Milwaukee. But like there's just more bankable shooting on Boston and 118 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:05,240 better spacing because even if they want to roll with dual bigs and Porzingis and 119 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:09,040 Horford, they're gonna be able to play five out in those instances. And 120 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,800 so I think that makes life a lot easier and by extension, makes him 121 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,839 a lot more effective. Make holiday a lot more effective, both in the 122 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:18,199 regular season and the playoffs. We probably see a tick like a pullback in 123 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:20,959 his raw numbers. I mean, maybe not, but just looking at having 124 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,480 Jalon Brown, Tatum and Porzingis, you might see his assists kind of go 125 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,399 up if people comes more of a table setter. I think it's a fantastic 126 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:31,799 fit overall. And I don't know that this is necessarily the lack of depth 127 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:35,440 is a downside. I am still very curious to see what happens with the 128 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,759 big man rotation here, and I'm wondering if I misread the situation. Maybe 129 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,559 a ton of us misread the situation and should have thought that Robert Williams that 130 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,960 there was more likely to be moved after the KP deal than it was sort 131 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,559 of telegraphed because we looked at it and it was all right, KP's making 132 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,399 thirty plus million, but Robert Williams will only be making by the way, 133 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:56,759 and playzers fans should care about this eight point five percent about of the salary 134 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,240 cap Thetics three years, that's just wild to me. Doesn't turn twenty six 135 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,919 until just before the start of the season or later this month or whatever. 136 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,240 It is, so twenty six years old. Let's just say going to his 137 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,320 age twenty sixth season. That being said, and he's one of the most 138 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:15,080 effective bigs when it comes to having to guard on the outside. But also 139 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:16,679 if you need him to be a straight up room protector or do you need 140 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:20,279 him to help be the low man there, those are all things that he 141 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,440 can do. And so it's a real loss. But if you go back 142 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:28,759 and look at we're in year this is gonna be year six for r W 143 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,759 three. He has never missed fewer than twenty games. I believe I'm trying 144 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:37,519 to think if I'm messing up the math on one of the shortened seasons, 145 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:39,879 but I believe that was even so it's at least eighteen to twenty games that 146 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:43,919 like, that's the best he's been available. He's only ever played. If 147 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,039 you just want to go, this wasn't eighty two games, Like, the 148 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,200 most games he's ever played in one season is two thousand and twenty one twenty 149 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,360 two. He played in sixty one during the regular season, then turned around 150 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,159 and played seventeen in the playoffs for a total of my god, math right 151 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,200 now, eleven that's you know, eight seventy nine games at that point. 152 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:07,440 That's a again, and that was a deep playoff run. They made it 153 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,080 to the finals in twenty twenty two. So you look at his availability and 154 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,320 the fact that they invested in KP and it was like, shoot, we 155 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,240 have seen this coming a little bit more. I don't think so, just 156 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:20,000 because I don't think they made the Marcus Smart trade thinking this was gonna be 157 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,960 on the table. We know the machinations behind how they almost got Christops worsink 158 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:26,960 Is in the first place involved Malcolm Roden going to the Clippers. I don't 159 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,200 think this was planned. I think this more reaction of well, holy fuck, 160 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,600 look what the Bucks just did. They became the odds makers, and 161 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,159 this podcast said at prohibitive favorites in the East and Boston's like, well wait 162 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,320 a minute here, and now we have to have a different discussion like that. 163 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:46,320 I don't want a one person this. I still might prefer Milwaukee ceiling 164 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,840 because I don't trust, like Boston's just rotational setup, Like something just feels 165 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:56,440 off. But I can't go at criticize Boston's death without criticizing like Milwaukee still 166 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,399 has bodies and so it was so it was Boston, but like you can 167 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:03,360 be concerned about both teams. It's Brook Lopez is getting older. Damian Lillard 168 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,360 himself is getting over. You know, he's coming off one of the best 169 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:07,919 seasons of his career, didn't have to play as much so Jannis coming off 170 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,279 at a knee procedure. Over the off season, Chris Middleton dealt with needs. 171 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:15,080 So there's concerns at the top for both of them, which is why 172 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,679 the East is still just kind of like for me right now is Boston, 173 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:22,399 Cleveland, and Milwaukee. And I would expect Boston and Milwaukee now to be 174 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:24,360 better than Cleveland. But I have flirted. I'm not gonna lie. I 175 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,919 haven't made the picks yet. I flirted with picking Cleveland come out of the 176 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,679 East. That's how high I'm on Cleveland. And just the developmental arcs of 177 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,200 Evan Mobley and Darius Garland still to go, Like those guys are going to 178 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,320 get better. I don't like you need to. I think if you're a 179 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,080 Boston you need to pick up another big sumwhere you can still do that or 180 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,080 just death. Like again, Reggie Bullock, they're over the first apron but 181 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,960 he made he was waived, made less than twelve point four million. They 182 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,720 can still they can still get him. That's that, like they can still 183 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,759 make a move like that or two like to sort of just you know, 184 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,080 shift around the roster. But like you're still putting your eggs in. What 185 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,200 was interesting about Art of three is the availability wasn't there. I mean, 186 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,440 look at the games played eighteen nineteen thirty two. This is regular season nineteen 187 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,480 twenty twenty nine, shorten season, but still twenty nine games twenty twenty one 188 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,679 another shortened season. Still only plays in fifty two, sixty one in twenty 189 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,879 one twenty two, and then thirty five last year. And so there's the 190 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:22,279 youth element there. But now like you're pivoting to Okay, christophs Porzingis is 191 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,679 not the billboard for availability in most seasons, and he's not as versatile as 192 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,679 RW three, And so like you've lost two of your most versatile defenders on 193 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,240 this rule and you have a ton of versatile defenders, but like you've lost 194 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,080 like a ton of versatility were Like, let's let's not forget about Grant Williams, 195 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,279 another versatile defender. So when you look at Boston, I just find 196 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,480 this the word is fascinating. I can't be too negative on it anymore because 197 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:48,600 of the Drew Holiday trade. But you basically trade it out and there are 198 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:54,919 some picks moving around here, Marcus Smart, Malcolm Brogden, RW three, 199 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,879 Grant Williams for Chris Stops and Drew Holiday and just like so those are two 200 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:03,159 higher ends. But now you've made yourself top heavy by default, and you 201 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,320 might be you still are probably a little bit less versatile on defense now. 202 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,320 Joe Massoula definitely prefers the offensive model when you look at some of the lineups 203 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,200 he was running out last year, even though I still think Graham Williams was 204 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,759 woefully underutilized at times. But when you see Sam Howser in the rotation ahead 205 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:20,320 of him, you also kind of understand like the theory of that as it 206 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,919 relates to offensive versatility. So might this feels like it might fit more in 207 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,000 theme with what Joe Massoula wants to do. And I'm assuming him and Brad 208 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:33,519 Stevens are in lockstep period the vision, especially after these transactions. Christops is 209 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,679 injury prone, Al Horford is thirty seven. How many minutes do we want 210 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,720 al Horford to play? I think the appeal of having RW three still was 211 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,360 because Al Horford and RW three were making under twenty three million dollars combined, 212 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,879 and then on top of christops like fifty plus million for your full center rotation, 213 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,120 like the meats and potatoes of it. That's not that's whatever in the 214 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,240 new cab climate. And so you looked at it, at least for me, 215 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:58,840 and said, Okay, you're gonna get two full BIG's worth of availability 216 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,600 out this. Maybe one and a half bigg's worth of availability. You've now 217 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,159 given away that cushion. And again, maybe it's not a huge issue because 218 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:11,519 RW three wasn't very available himself. So that's why I'm just wondering if we 219 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:15,000 should have considered him more on the table. I don't know if this makes 220 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,200 Boston functionally. Forget about the odds makers are gonna say their favorites come. 221 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:20,519 I haven't looked they're definitely gonna be favorites to come on the East now. 222 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,399 I guess they probably should, just because that top six is Wow. I 223 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:30,399 like the Yannis Dame duo, perhaps more better than any other duo in the 224 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,399 league. I think Katie and Booker can give it a run for their money. 225 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,840 Tatum and Brown are certainly up there, but I might like the Yannis 226 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:41,120 Damian Lillard duo better than any other duo in the league right now. Jimmy 227 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:45,679 and Vam is of course appealing. I'm not trying to leaving off teams here. 228 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:48,519 I mean Luca and Kyrie. Like it's interesting, like the Jannis Dame 229 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,639 duo might be the best duo to me, or at least close. It's 230 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:54,120 like in the top two or three, but like the top six in Boston, 231 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,559 My god, that is going to be seductive as hell when you're trying 232 00:14:56,559 --> 00:15:01,480 to look at to predict and prognosticate what going to happen in the Eastern Conference. 233 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:05,360 I don't there's still there's real risk here. I will say Boston doesn't 234 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:09,120 just have to kind of look at odds and ends either if they don't want 235 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,200 to. They have two tradable first round picks still, and so like that's 236 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,720 the distant first round pick, giving it up, all right, you have 237 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:18,320 that twenty I think they have their twenty thirty swap going. Oh it's twenty 238 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,159 eight, twenty twenty eight swap going to San Antonio. Now that twenty twenty 239 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,919 nine unprotected pick going to Portland. But you can trade some imminent first you're 240 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,759 own in twenty twenty four and twenty and twenty six, or you can flip 241 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:33,559 flop at twenty five and twenty seven. It gets a little bit weird because 242 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:35,759 of the matching salary. Now you're gonna or what are you gonna move Derek 243 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:39,000 White like Broden's gone, Marcus Smart is gone, R Tow Three's gone. 244 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,799 So there's Horford at ten million, and if you're getting rid of him at 245 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,919 better be to I guess upgrade the front court. Peyton Pritchard making four, 246 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,000 Derek White. I mean, if you're I know you have Drew Holiday, 247 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,399 but if you're gonna get rid of Derek White, I'd like to return better 248 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,320 be just absolutely bonkers. They still have other options here, like things to 249 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,279 do, and I think they're they seem very committed to just paying through the 250 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,399 teeth at this point, because you have Jaylen Brown is gonna kick in on 251 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,360 his new extension at forty nine point seven. About as of now in twenty 252 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:11,559 four twenty five, you have you do have Derek White on the book still 253 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:15,320 for nineteen point six, Jason Tatum will be making thirty four point eight. 254 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:18,960 Not this, let's call it this season. We're there this season, So 255 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:22,840 Jason TAM's at thirty four point eight next year, and now you have to 256 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,360 worry, not worry, but you have Chris Stops. His extension is gonna 257 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,360 kick in at twenty nine point three. I think it starts at and then 258 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:34,559 Drew Holiday he can be extension eligible, or you're just looking at considering his 259 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:38,440 next salary. I would be kind of shocked if he's making less than he 260 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:41,879 is this season, which is thirty six point nine, and so Boston ends 261 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,559 up taking like two point seven million dollars an additional salary this year that will 262 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,000 be tacked onto their luxury tax bill. Maybe they get KG and they wind 263 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,960 up moving a Derek White or like the Galaxy Brain would be all we'd rather 264 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:59,799 pay like thirty five million for Drew Holiday than forty nine plus over your SAR. 265 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,960 So you could look at those, but it seems like they're really committed 266 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 to just paying through the teeth, and so it just wouldn't shock me if 267 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,480 they're not done trading first round picks over the next year, because they're very 268 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:14,039 much it seems all in on kind of like the next The core is young 269 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,559 enough with Brown and Tatum where you don't have to say it this way, 270 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:18,880 and even Porzingis is an ancient but just the stuff they've done this offseason, 271 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,000 the money they've given out, this feels like very much over the next one 272 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:23,519 to two years, like we were just all the way fucking in. So 273 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,839 I like the move for Boston. I just still have so many questions. 274 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:32,039 I can't wait to get to our Celtics look ahead the other end of this, 275 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:34,359 and we'll go to Portland and then they're gonna be some other teams that 276 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,799 are impacted by this. I guess the best way to just frame Portland's like 277 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:41,759 we need to look at I haven't pulled up Tommy Beer outlined at the best 278 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:45,480 on Twitter. Look at this hall they yet people can look if they're watching 279 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:51,480 on YouTube. The Blazers, they gave up Damian Lillard and they traded Keyan 280 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:53,759 Johnson, no s little. They also traded use of Nerdis by the way, 281 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:59,079 which was a net negative contract. They got back DeAndre Ayton, which 282 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,480 maybe another a negative contract. Robin Williams the third one of the best contracts 283 00:18:02,519 --> 00:18:04,799 in the league, even with his health questions. Malcolm Brogden, I don't 284 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:07,960 know what you get for him, but if you hold on to him to 285 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,240 the middle of the season. I could see someone, are they like a 286 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,599 bottom seven first rounder or something type deal. I don't know if you definitely 287 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:17,759 get a first round pick for him, if he's healthy at the time, 288 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:19,359 maybe it makes sense to kind of hold on him. Maybe you're able to 289 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,440 get a deal done with the Clippers. But so eighton RW three, Malcolm 290 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,400 Brogden, you have the Bucks is unprotected two thousand and twenty nine first round 291 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,039 pick, the Celtics is unprotected two and twenty nine first round pick, the 292 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,640 Warriors first round pick this year, top four protected. Draymond Green's injured at 293 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,519 the moment, It's like there's a I mean, it's only a four to 294 00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:40,640 six week thing, but there's some dice there. Gets dicey. They're getting 295 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,680 a little older. Then you have two swaps with the Bucks in two thousand 296 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,759 and twenty eight, in two thousand and thirty. That's a hall and you 297 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:48,319 also got two Monty Kamara, who I know, if anyone listen to the 298 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,519 Sun's look Ahead, which is still Preshian because we talked about Nurkics on the 299 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,359 Suns, that's a Hall and just they really the timeline pod fellas, they 300 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:03,440 really like to Monty Kamara. So that's anyone who said, and I'm like, 301 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,319 there are a lot of people who said, I think the Heat's offer 302 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,640 was best, best possible offer because we're never gonna truly know what was on 303 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,240 the table. I can get rid of this. You all need to see 304 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:12,720 if you're watching on screen, you want to see my full full face right 305 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,799 now. I'm gonna button down too, coming from a bridal shower, dressing 306 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,119 up for no polish on my nails too, like I really cleaned up. 307 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:26,160 Not gonna lie digressing here when you're looking at that Heat best possible offer, 308 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:30,279 I do think it was undersold in terms of what it was actually worth. 309 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:32,799 They made it seems like if the Heat went all in and went three first 310 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,000 round picks, two swaps, Tyler Hero whatever else needed, that it was 311 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:38,400 dog shit, even Heimri Hawkes in there. I don't think it was dog 312 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,039 shit. It's very clear that they had nowhere near the best offer in this 313 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:45,039 because look at what they were able to do. Yeah, it took two 314 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,200 parts with the Bucks offer, that's how it works, and it was gonna 315 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,319 be like that with Miami because of the Tyler Hero factor in there. And 316 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,440 so I hope the Miami and it's not all of them, but I hope 317 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,480 the Miami bloggers and podcasters and media who tried to sell us this party line 318 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:04,680 coming from the Heat or whatever, like, can you admit, like, 319 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,920 oh yeah, like you fucked up? Like thinking that that he did the 320 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,359 best offer of that. I saw Barry Jackson frame it as deplorable behavior from 321 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,000 the Blazers. I can't. I'll get into more of that eventually. But 322 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,160 that piece from Chris Haynes, by the way, he didn't hide where it 323 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,119 was sourced from. So that piece was fine. I saw people complaining about 324 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,920 it. It's not even just because I'm a Bleacher Report employee. That piece 325 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:29,240 was fine. He made very clearly he's presenting this from the Dame side of 326 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:32,720 the spectrum. The whole thing was sourced directly to Dame was on it. 327 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:34,599 Yannis was on it, Dame's agent was on it. Let's relax, people, 328 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,039 and the whole rescinded. Dame wanted to stay in Portland. It was 329 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:41,440 only so he could eventually get to Miami at mid season to potentially make it 330 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,599 easier. I think Haynes clarified that on a podcast, we need like the 331 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,039 one side, Like those pieces are fine we saw the Woes piece coming out 332 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:52,519 about how Cronin sort of handled it. It's I think Sean Hiken had the 333 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,759 best take on this. I think all sides could have done better, and 334 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:02,720 we're just someone he's having inflammatory take or be reactionary or use very strong language. 335 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:03,400 I do it on this podcast all the time. I curse when I 336 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,440 get excited. It's not to increase views. So I don't really think cursing 337 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,440 and having those takes increases views. Like there needs to be nuanced to it. 338 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:15,519 Moral of the story is the Heat didn't have anywhere near the best offer 339 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:17,519 now, and even if it was just between the Heat and the Bucks, 340 00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:19,359 like the Bucks is Blue or Miami was gonna give you out of the water, 341 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,119 because you have two unprotected first round picks in twenty nine right now from 342 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,079 two teams that are just like, yeah, you trust the Celtics they have 343 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,200 Tatum, but like the Bucks with the age of Lillard and Yadna, like 344 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,640 yeah, if you're gonna short futures, you might as well do it. 345 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,559 I do think distant Heat first round picks have some more value than people are 346 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:41,000 giving credit to. A Lot of the rumblings are now that Pat Riley's eventually 347 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,079 going to step aside and we'll see coach Spilostra in the front office role, 348 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,319 and that could be a material change the way the organization operates. Again, 349 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:51,839 this offer was just better and oh, by the way, they're not done. 350 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,599 And so when you look at this, getting three first round picks, 351 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,759 the tightest protection on which is top four from the Warriors this year, plus 352 00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:03,640 two swaps, both of which are unprotected, on top of RW three, 353 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,920 one of the best contracts in the league, and just approven, like like 354 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:12,880 like super not even solid, just tremendous defensive player who knows how to play 355 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,400 is rolling offense. You have eighten. I don't know if I want to 356 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:21,039 call him a reclamation project, but what i'mbout someone who has defended at a 357 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,839 level that was pretty freaking terrifying when you're looking at the Sun's championship Brunn. 358 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:30,400 He's young enough to where you can hope that he recaptures that. And like, 359 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,039 we haven't even factored in Brock And there's a chance if you reroute r 360 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,799 W three, which the reporting is they won't at the moment, I kind 361 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:37,960 of understand it. I'd prefer RW three on my team and eighten, and 362 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,400 not just because of the price point, Like they're set in rotations, very 363 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,599 beefy right now, Like you could with the minutes that Robert Williams typically plays 364 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,880 in the games he's available, you get away with it for a season. 365 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,599 Maybe try playing two of them together and just surround them with a boatload of 366 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:56,519 shooting. Or does a boatload of shooting qualify as Jeremy Grant Shaden sharp and 367 00:22:56,519 --> 00:23:00,519 Scoot heead like? Does that? But you could just try At this point 368 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:03,880 you're not necessarily trying to win anyway. Love what we've seen from the Blazers 369 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,279 when you're looking at a team perspective, never easy to move on from a 370 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:11,839 franchise icon. The whole Damian Millard Tope opper was was very intensely messy. 371 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:18,039 But when the dust has settled, they've really launched. They're using this as 372 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:23,599 a real powerful springboard into a rebuild, and they are so well set up 373 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:27,200 now they've they've also they've diversified their picks, like they're not all coming from 374 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,480 one team. You have a pick and two swaps from Milwaukee, you have 375 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,440 a pick from Golden State, and you have a pick from Boston. Like 376 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,880 that's just good diversification, and there's still other moves to be made. I 377 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,440 think the Clippers might still be in on brock I'd prefer Broden if I'm the 378 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,880 Clippers to James Harden, just because of how much a wild card he is 379 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,519 and Brodden's more plugin play doesn't give you the playmaking or the directionality on ball 380 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,720 that James Harden does, just so much easier to fit in and presumably is 381 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:55,319 going to cost less on the Blazers front. I would be curious to see 382 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,039 what they could. I don't know what teams. I couldn't name one right 383 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,440 now. I don't even think the Clippers have to be a heavily protected one 384 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,359 would give up a first round pick for Brockden. I'm trying to think of 385 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,319 the team that would get you there, and I just I can't come up 386 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,960 with one. And so there's a chance if maybe they hold onto it. 387 00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:12,160 But I don't know the team offhand. There are teams that he would certainly 388 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,359 fit on, but to get a first round pick from like Toronto, Malcolm 389 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,640 Broden would be a great fit. They're not giving up the first round pick, 390 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,759 so you could probably even talk. Someone got mad in our comments because 391 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,440 I guess we cursory. I clipped it the full podcast. Maybe we didn't 392 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,160 explain why Drew would have been a good fit in Utah. They need like 393 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,960 a primary creator and Drew would be the closest thing they have on that roster. 394 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:34,880 Plus they do need more perimeter defense and he does that as well. 395 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,920 So I thought he would have been I thought they were a long shop. 396 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,519 He would have been a fantastic fit on the Jazz Becauld the Jazz use someone 397 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:42,960 like Malcolm Brogden. Do you ve him as a passing up grade over what 398 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,839 they have, maybe a defensive upgrade over Colin Sexton and during clock and sure 399 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,039 like you're not getting for even though they have a ton, you're not getting 400 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:53,960 first round pick from them. And so we could name teams that Brockden could 401 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,359 potentially go to. I just don't know that they're ones at the moment. 402 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,680 I would bet on giving up a first round pick of you three would be 403 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,599 interesting if you because you know you're not getting first round picture Deondrey and based 404 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,039 off what you were able to get him for at the end of the day, 405 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,039 RW three, if you did decide to shop him, would be interesting. 406 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,160 I just he's young enough to where I don't even know if it's worth 407 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:18,519 getting into. But teams that really spring to mind here, I think the 408 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,359 my god, sorry Oklahoma City that was mentioned in our discord. I think 409 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,599 they would be a team that would want to wait until they see what they 410 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,160 have in Chet. I very much believe Chet as a center, but like, 411 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:32,599 you can play Chet and Robert Williams a third together and you would spare 412 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,599 center defense of mileage from Chet. If he did have RW three there, 413 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,200 they would be a team. And the Pelicans will be my other team where 414 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,440 it's like I would love to see him there. I know you'd rather have 415 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,920 him. He's proven that he can play with another big as long as that 416 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,359 big gets space the floor. Zion don't need the spacing like they'll figure out 417 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,839 a way to make it work. So and just having his rim protection I 418 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,279 think would be huge for that team. And so those are the two teams 419 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,000 I think stand out the most. If you were trying to consider others, 420 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,359 I would this is it's never happening. I want to make this clear. 421 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,400 I would absolutely love him in San Antonio. And I think the Spurs, 422 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:10,480 based off the fact that they waved Reggie Bullock, is kind of clear that 423 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:12,160 they're not, Like theyn't even wait to see if they could trade him, 424 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,400 So that would have been salary that they could have used in in such a 425 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,759 deal. So they would never do it. But Wemby and RW three, 426 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,359 like Stuff did with them himself there like Stuff get Jeremy so in. That's 427 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,440 a really interesting core. I would love that. I just if on the 428 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,799 Blazers, I think I want to keep RW three, stagger him in eight, 429 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,839 and I don't want to see too much of them together. Stagger them 430 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:36,960 the hell figure out which one is better for you moving forward. But if 431 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,200 there are teams that can kind of come in and be like WHOA, okay, 432 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,640 Like maybe we like we're willing to give up two first, like two 433 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,240 low level first for Robert Williams the third, like the Pelicans the Thunder, 434 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,599 that'd be interesting. I don't think the Knicks would view him as a big 435 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,119 upgrade over Mitchell Robinson. Mitchell Robinson is more durable, he is the better 436 00:26:53,160 --> 00:27:00,200 offensive rebounder Robert Williams the third, He's definitely more switchable, and he's a 437 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:03,480 much better passer, especially on the move. But I think Mitchell Robinson has 438 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,559 done a better job with his passing in the sense like he's getting an offensive 439 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,160 rebound, he's making a quick decision and he's going to pass it out, 440 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,119 And so I don't I'm just I'm not saying that Nick should do it, 441 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,079 But I could see people trying to make that case if you were worried about 442 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:18,319 sort of salary allocations and you want to get a little bit cheaper going from 443 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,359 Mitch to r W three shure. But Mitche's salary the highest end of it's 444 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,799 already it's gonna be out of the way after this season, or it's already 445 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:29,279 out of the way. He's at fifteen point seven and it's only declining from 446 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,319 there. So that like there's I'm looking at teams, it's I don't see 447 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,079 one coming. Like Dallas would be interesting, Like if you wanted to do 448 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,359 Derek Lively and stuff, I just don't know. They seem pretty high and 449 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,480 Derrick Lively, I don't think. Based off with the stuff that Jason Kidds 450 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:48,119 said a while ago about Olivier Max Sin's prosper and of what Kirk Henderson said 451 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,160 during our look at, go check out the math look at they might like 452 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,400 they have big plans or oh, Max I'm not giving up. If I 453 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,000 have Lively and Rashaun Holmes is there and yourself Dwight Powell, like that would 454 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:02,000 be a team where if it just caust like the Yard, like if it 455 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:07,200 was Derek Lively and something else plus salary, where it wasn't your you can 456 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,119 trade your like you can trade I think they're down to a first round pick 457 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,559 to trade or no, they down to they can trade two up to two 458 00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,200 first round picks. They have the Knicks one this year and they have twenty 459 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,440 twenty nine, so yeah, they can trade one first round pick. It 460 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:25,519 would be because they can do twenty six. At this point, I'm not 461 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:30,599 doing it for RW three, especially if I'm pairing Derek Lively in there. 462 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,480 Maybe you just think, hey, we have Derek Lively cost control center. 463 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,480 They would just be a team where I feel like RW three, he was 464 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,000 healthy, would make a huge difference. But do you want to get into 465 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,640 sort of the durability questions or do they be kind of fun in Brooklyn? 466 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,039 But they have Nick Claxton, who I think is the better all around player 467 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,960 right now, even though he's not as I don't know what the word is. 468 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:49,720 I don't say girthy which is like he's not gonna be as physical, 469 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,720 but I thought he he's switchable as hell. He's a pretty good rim protector, 470 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:57,400 especially when he's moving around, and he's the more versatile offense. Well, 471 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,839 I don't know if he's more versatile RW three the better pass or like 472 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,359 Nick Klasston put the ball on the floor and stuff. So like that's just 473 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,839 is that enough of an upgrade. Might be funny with Miami with Bam there, 474 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920 if he were just like, well, we're gonna lean into these two 475 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,039 big models, I think he'd be a disaster. Neither one of them is 476 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,279 a shooter. Or even though Bam has the mid range game working for him, 477 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,720 I think that's really just looking at it would be it. I mean, 478 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,640 Phoenix would love RW three. They just don't have any first to give 479 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:23,920 up. Sack doesn't need him. I don't think you want to play with 480 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,519 Sabonus either, even though they could probably use the rim protection Toronto, they 481 00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:32,720 have Yaka Pearl there, Washington. I mean that'd be semi interesting just if 482 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:36,160 you he's better than Daniel Gafford. But what are you Why are you giving 483 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,960 up value at this point You're so early in the rebuild, they're not going 484 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,960 to do that. You probably made the case that in Atlanta, like let's 485 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,880 not go with a Kungu or Clint Capella, We'll just go with RW three. 486 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:47,599 Not a huge fan of that. This was a team I thought of 487 00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:49,640 when I was kind of think of it on my drive home before I started 488 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,480 doing this. Charlotte would be super interesting. You mentioned him, and Lamello 489 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,079 just didn't say I don't even care about anybody else in there, Like, 490 00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,079 yeah, with PJ. Washington, it's fine, and Brett just LaMelo in 491 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,720 RW three, I don't You're not gonna give up on Mark Williams. Necessarily 492 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,000 you could afford that both of them. But what are you giving up then 493 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:10,440 to get RW three? And so they're not a team that's necessarily factoring in 494 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:15,559 in there if Indiana really want to function up and but like they have Miles 495 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,240 Turner, So if you play both of them that you could, I don't 496 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,079 know why you would you have. Now Houston did go to Brook Lopez route 497 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,799 in free agency, so it's like would they be interested there? I think 498 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,200 Alpern Shangoon is a chance to be the better overall player, and certainly is 499 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,079 already better on offense. But you just signed Jack Landown. Maybe that's something 500 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,079 you get involved in the middle of the year, but he would do if 501 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,880 you're not invested in Alperren. Shangoon is your starting center that gives you like 502 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,519 a real defensive base. If you had Fred van Fleet Tarry easton RW three, 503 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:48,759 hell yeah, like you could really that could get super interesting. That's 504 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,000 really it. I think my two viror teams would be okay see in New 505 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:53,599 Orleans, and it would have been those two. But shout out to Mike 506 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,480 in Discord for pointing out, okay see New Orleans is just a no brainer. 507 00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,160 I think maybe some people would be a little schemed out by this spacing 508 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,640 fit there. I just don't want to spend I spend enough time on it. 509 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,680 I don't think they should move him because I think he's better than DeAndrea 510 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,599 right now. But Portland is well set up. They're not done making moves 511 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:15,880 here. And just like if they really wanted to, I don't think Amery 512 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,160 Simons is young enough and cheap enough. They don't have to get rid of 513 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,960 him like there are there are players like at the end of this, it 514 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,799 won't all be folded the Dame trade. But if you move Jeremy Grant on 515 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:27,119 this contract to the deadline or after he's trade eligible, and you look at 516 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:32,880 moving Simon's and then between RW three and Brockden, Like, if you were 517 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,920 just to look at moving those four players, there's probably still another four first 518 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,200 round picks to recoup here, which is just wild. I wouldn't get rid 519 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,200 of Sigmons personally. I think the shooting is actually really important, even if 520 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,640 he doesn't get to spend as much time on balls you would like. I 521 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,480 don't think he needs to. He's a great off ball shooter that helps open 522 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,519 up thanks for everybody, and that could be very valuable to someone like Scoop. 523 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,119 But so let's look at this like Jeremy Grant, Malcolm Rogden, even 524 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,000 r W three. If I set the over under two and a half first 525 00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:01,559 round picks from those guys, I'll take the over, like the equivalent. 526 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:04,720 Maybe it's a prospect him, I'll take the over on those three. I'm 527 00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:07,720 really not sure what to do with the Brogden thing. I view the Clippers 528 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:12,119 as sort of a team that has potential, maybe like does Miami just trying? 529 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,599 Okay, like we kind of need this stop gap. We're not gonna 530 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,559 give up Tyler Hero, but did we look at turning the Duncan Robinson salary 531 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:22,359 and stuff into him. That's maybe not I guess you could divest Kyle Lowry 532 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,400 and try and turn him into Malcolm Brogden and another player. There's not an 533 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,400 obvious Malcolm Brogden team out there, so he's a very useful player, and 534 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,880 we could just say, like, yeah, you could trade him for but 535 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,680 like, what is the team that is giving up that for him? They're 536 00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,079 like I already mentioned toront which is not gonna give you the value that you 537 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:39,480 want. The Clippers would come closest, but the first are so distant it'd 538 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,920 be tough. And Terrence Man isn't super young. So even if they were 539 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,920 willing to give him up, which I probably wouldn't be if I'm la to 540 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,079 be honest with you, I guess Chicago could be interesting, But like they 541 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,599 have Javon Carter, Alex Caruso to morn rozen zach Lavine there, they're kind 542 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:57,279 of said Brogden in Brooklyn. I just you're not gonna get a first round 543 00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:00,880 pick out of them. And he's not a CAP's lock point guard, so 544 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,240 I think he could be moved don't get me read you put him, tell 545 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:07,079 me Chicago. Yeah, he'll fit there. I mean Dallas doesn't meet him 546 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,359 like he'd fit really anywhere. It's just what is the value you're going to 547 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,680 get for him? Honestly don't know. So that's where I'm struggling there. 548 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,559 Home run here by the Blazer situation, and also shout out to the Blazers, 549 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:22,039 this is the funniest thing in the world. So here's what you did. 550 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:27,440 You took in the Damian Lillard trade itself. You took Yannis and Damian 551 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,880 Lillard off the Miami each trade board at least for the next year or two. 552 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,799 And I think it makes it more likely that Yannis signs an extension. 553 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:37,359 So even if stuff goes wrong with Dame, like the Yannis trade sweepstakes feel 554 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:43,599 more if you're sending me over under at two years away, I'm taking me 555 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,440 over like the longer on that it feels more than two years away. So 556 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,720 they take those two off the board from Miami in one fell swoop while strengthening 557 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,759 one of Miami's biggest rivals in the East, and then turn around and then 558 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,480 strengthen one of Miami's other biggest rivals in the East and Miami's just caught here. 559 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,839 Like it's that they operated. We said this on the First Dame, 560 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,079 the first trade reaction pod. They acted like a team that very much thought 561 00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:15,039 they were gonna get Damian Lillard or star X. And I don't think they 562 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:16,760 need to be in the hardened business. I do wonder if that's something they 563 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,400 look at now, but it's this is a rough look for them. It's 564 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,280 a terrible look for Philly and not for I saw people floating around like maybe 565 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,280 there's like a three teen trade you can work out with the Clippers. Harden 566 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,840 goes there and Philly gets Drew and he's probably gonna come off the books next 567 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,199 season he's on, he has the forty million dollar player option that fits with 568 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,360 Philly's cap space plan, and they're still really good. Here's my whole thing 569 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,960 with that. If you're the Clippers, I'd rather just a reality. He's 570 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,960 a little younger. I believe we have Harden is entering his age thirty four 571 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:52,239 season, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, he's well Harden, Yeah, 572 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,480 it's entering his age thirty four. Drews in his age thirty three, 573 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,239 slightly younger, better defensively, more plug and play again and just isn't requesting 574 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,960 a trade twice a year or whatever up to now on average, So that 575 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,599 was just never realistic. This is a big l for Philly and Joel and 576 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:10,960 Be tweeted, he tweeted, this offseason had been fun just because Boston and 577 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,360 Milwaukee, so you were considered. I think it was fair to say that 578 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,239 leading into last postseason that it was considered Philly, Milwaukee, and Boston. 579 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,840 That's not a hot take. Like Miami was almost lost in the playance. 580 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,599 They didn't belong in that discussion. And so you're Philly and you're you know, 581 00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:28,920 you're up three to two on Boston. Like this is just a few 582 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:35,400 months ago. Now you go into the offseason Milwaukee and Damian Lillard and they're 583 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,519 they're taking a risk there. For sure. I think that trade was framed, 584 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,320 even maybe a little bit on this podcast improperly. Whereas like the Bucks 585 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,440 gave up an All Star plus two unprotected swaps and unprotected first, like, 586 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,920 they gave up real stuff to get two row two starters to get Damian Lillard, 587 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,880 and one of those starters was an All Star. And then on top 588 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,440 of that, you give me up two swaps in the first that was a 589 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,039 real cost to pay. I just think it made a ton of sense. 590 00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:59,760 I just I'm not sure if we communicated that in the framing of it. 591 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,840 So aside there, but you watch Damian Lewards now in Milwaukee, and now 592 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,519 Drew Howding and Christops Persingis are now in Boston. Where Boston it still feels 593 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,719 like there's combustibility there. It's not James Harden. Is he gonna show up 594 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,159 to camp with signs that say Daryl Morey is a liar? Is he gonna 595 00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:16,760 show up out of shape? Is he gonna be in shape or not be 596 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,119 playing really well trying to get his way out of there? This is disastrous 597 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:27,079 for Miami and Philly, who would probably up there with Toronto as the three 598 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,559 biggest losers of the off season. Is that fair to say? Who else? 599 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:35,280 Really? I should go back to our twenty three off season grades and 600 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,960 see if anyone's really kind of standing out here. But just by virtue of 601 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,039 not even the moves that they made, but the moves that they're they're competitors 602 00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:47,960 made, it is a disaster for well Toronto of course, but specifically for 603 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,880 Philly and Miami, And so yeah, I mean Charlotte, they had a 604 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,480 pretty bad off season, but that's like it like those might be the three 605 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,280 biggest losers of the off season, and two of them are supposed to be 606 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,840 like Philly and my we're definitely two of the Philly Miami in Toronto, all 607 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,599 three of the biggest losers of the offseason. This trade makes it look worse. 608 00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,400 And I don't think Drew have been fine in Toronto, but for the 609 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,320 space thing they need, I just don't know if the opportunity costs would have 610 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,960 elevated them enough. The fact that they apparently don't. I think this is 611 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,880 per Michael Grange. I want to misssource this, but they're not even talking 612 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,800 about an extension with Pascal Siakam is fucking bonkers. So this is just I 613 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:29,000 don't if you're Miami and you're Philly, like Philly at least on paper, 614 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,519 and even Miami still they made the final. They say we made the finals 615 00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:37,159 with this core. You let two rotation players just leave and he didn't replace 616 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:42,119 them. If you want to say Josh Richardson replaces Gabe Vincent, I don't 617 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:45,199 know if I'll listen to you, just because Gabe Vinson is gonna give you 618 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,880 more ball handling Josh Richardson, I'd probably trust them on defense more, maybe 619 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,039 more as an off ball shooter. But just like you let two rotation players 620 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:57,960 leave and you replace them with Josh Richardson, like that in the Hima Hawkes 621 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,199 who you think needs to and the idea of Nicole Yovic. We don't know 622 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,280 what's going on in Philly. This is the East right now feels like a 623 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,719 three team race, with all due respect to maybe the Knicks surprise. I 624 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,440 think the Knicks will still be good. I think Brooklyn should be pretty good. 625 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,480 Maybe there's a team that kind of floors us. Maybe it's Miami or 626 00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:16,360 Philly. There's there a deal out there that I'm just not factoring in. 627 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,719 I think it's a three team race between Cleveland, Milwaukee, and Boston. 628 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,400 I don't know who we need to pick out of those three. I think 629 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,280 right now, if I had to, I still might mean I still might 630 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,360 mean Milwaukee, and that's rolling a lot of the dice on their their base 631 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,760 defense. It's just like, we have a terrific back line. Boston still 632 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,880 has a pretty okay back line. I don't know how d worable and versatile 633 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,679 it is now, but like you're looking at what they're going to be throwing 634 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,559 at you. Up top is just like Drew Holiday, Derek White alone, 635 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:50,639 and then there's Joyn Brown and Jason Tatum. They're holy crap depth questions with 636 00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:53,199 both Milwaukee and Boston. But here's the thing. When you get to the 637 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:58,119 playoffs, if everyone's healthy, it doesn't It matters, but it doesn't matter 638 00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,760 as much beyond your top six guys. And Boston's got that shit sewn up 639 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,639 home run trade for them, even though there's some downside there. I like 640 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,360 their team a lot better than I did a few hours ago as I'm recording 641 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,280 this podcast, which if you've been listening to me, and I've had to 642 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,000 pull back because I think of how forceful I've been since I don't necessarily understand 643 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:20,880 the KP fit as much. I understand a little bit more now there's risk 644 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,119 here. I like their team a lot better. And where I thought Milwaukee 645 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,199 was on the young questionable. If I were to come out of the East, 646 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,599 I know more and I would have had Cleveland in front of Boston, 647 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,239 so it would have been Cleveland and Milwaukee for me. Boston is firmly in 648 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,159 that discussion now and they were never completely out of it, but great, 649 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,000 I think great addition by them. You have to applaud what the Blazers did 650 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,599 here. The thing I didn't I want to note really quickly, if you're 651 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,000 listening to the end of this podcast, I saw a lot on Twitter just 652 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,559 like, well, like who's gonna defend Yannis? And Marcus Smart is gone 653 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,639 and Robert Williams the third is gone. You're not gonna have Drew Holiday do 654 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:53,760 it. I mean, Drew Holliday would do it to be if you asked 655 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,280 Drew Holiday defend Yannis, he'll do it. Who really is defending Jannie? 656 00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:00,960 I mean it's just like if he becomes a lot ability in the playoffs, 657 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,719 it's normally gonna be by sort of a committee effort. And you still have 658 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,599 Al Horford floating around up here, depending on how the Bucks are gonna use 659 00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,039 Like, yeah, you don't want if they're setting screens using Jannis for Dame 660 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:14,480 at half court, you don't necessarily want christops Porzingi's playing those, But like 661 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,400 you have, you still have Al Horford and like Kris stops Porzingis, if 662 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,239 you're gonna be if he's gonna be playing, if he's gonna be playing drop 663 00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,559 like you can do that against Jhanna still if he's gonna setting the screens like 664 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:28,480 yeah, if you don't, maybe you're not gonna switch as much now. 665 00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:31,239 And I think based off their personnel was clear they weren't gonna switch as much. 666 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,639 But now Drew is coming in, so are we going to see maybe 667 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,360 they'll be more of a balance, more some interchangeability between their schemes. I 668 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,039 don't you'll have to talk to listen to. I'm sure Steve Jones and Nicias 669 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,800 will hit that on the next dunker spot. That's a that's above that's above 670 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,599 my intelligence level. But this is just like who's who's defending Jannis? Really 671 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,519 is my whole point. It is when it comes to like whoa man the 672 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:58,320 Suns give up there? Yoki stopper? The fuck is stop no one stopping 673 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,639 Yokich and you might it's probably easier to stop y honest than Yokis, just 674 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:07,079 because like Yannest isn't that primary ball handler. But like now you've dame to 675 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,400 worry about floating around out there. That job was always going to be harder, 676 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,159 verging on impossible to begin with. So I just if you're trying to 677 00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:19,880 assess the damage and losses here, Like I could see Marcus mart being they 678 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,280 said, but like you just got through holiday back, and so I can't 679 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,079 bring myself to care about that element of it. I'm more focused on just 680 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:30,280 the frontline in general, looking at the health and like that still would have 681 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,119 been a concern with RW three anyway. And then I'm also trying to kind 682 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,400 of just look at perspective. I think even Cleveland has all these teams have 683 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,360 these questions beyond like their top six guys a lot of the times, and 684 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,079 when you don't, it's probably because you don't have the top end talent. 685 00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,519 Like the Knicks are probably the deepest team in the league, or close to 686 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:50,920 it. The Pelicans the deepest team in the Well, Pelicans top end town 687 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,360 is on. But you can't stay healthy when you're gonna have like enviable, 688 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,360 desirable, flat out I need it, I wanted depth. It's probably because 689 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,960 your top end talent is just not as higher end. And so I think 690 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,239 if you go through a lot like Phoenix, even Denver, like we're talking 691 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,440 about all these championship contenders, just there do feel like there's I'm gonna throw 692 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,760 Cleveland any other circle contenders it feels like there's five of them right now, 693 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,519 which is a lot for like the inner circle of contenders, and that's like 694 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,360 you could probably say the Lakers, the Warriors might belong in there, so 695 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,280 but like the five inner circle ones right now, the Sun's, the Nuggets, 696 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,079 the Bucks, the Celtics. I'm throwing the Calves in there. I'm 697 00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:29,840 not sorry. This is the transactions aren't done. I need to bring We're 698 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,440 gonna have Tara Bone Biggs is coming on for the look Ahead in a couple 699 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,239 of weeks for the Blazers. I need to try and get another Blazers person 700 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,800 on to like tackle this trade rebuild stuff so that we don't have to focus 701 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,599 too much on it with Taras so we can actually talk about the season that's 702 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,960 coming. If you haven't already, please remember to subscribe to this channel if 703 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,000 you like podcasts and great NBA content, and we put out a lot of 704 00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:55,039 content, and we record emergency podcasts emergency Ish podcast on Sundays by ourselves when 705 00:42:55,039 --> 00:43:00,000 we're coming from Bridle Shower in Buttondowns, when we were planning on having edibles 706 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,360 and kind of stuffing our face. 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I think that's probably the 716 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,679 easiest thing to do. But we'll throw it out whatever link I decided to 717 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,880 do on YouTube when you want to join and compete against us in the over 718 00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:40,920 under, so we have those come in still levin look Aheads to go, 719 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,599 Grant and I think we'll be back Wednesday of this week just to do some 720 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,320 Okay, we'll come out of training camp. I think I have a couple 721 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,119 look aheads scheduled this week. We're putting out a lot of content we will 722 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,079 always do in the middle of the season. I would say at minimum two 723 00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:58,880 episodes a week. Sometimes I'll throw a solo in there. I don't know 724 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,079 if people like solo podcast I don't like recording them, to be honest, 725 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,039 but I will do them if people listen to them, and I think mail 726 00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:07,320 bags when they're solo are probably the best way to do it. Hopefully you 727 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,519 appreciate solo content though, Just subscribe. That's how you can support the show 728 00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,840 across all platforms. Recommend us too as well. If you haven't done that, 729 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,880 we already and until next time, and as always, I shout out 730 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,159 to the one, the only, the legendary Frank