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Hey, everybody, this is Left
Striving Yes, yes, I know aka

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Survivor Man, and you're listening to
Brian on Sasquatch Odyssey. Then welcome back

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to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you so
much for clicking play. It is Thursday.

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I hope you guys have had a
great week. We have an amazing

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show lined up for you. But
as always, I want to start by

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inviting you. If you've had an
encounter and you'd like to be on the

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show, shoot me an email and
get me a Brian appearing on Myworldproductions dot

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com. Get head over to the
website, check it out, become a

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member there and help support the show. I went back into the archives and

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pulled out an episode that I did
back in twenty twenty one. This was

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originally episode Ode nine on the show
and it aired on March eleventh of twenty

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twenty one, and I had Mike
from Kentucky on and he had a bigfoot

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experience with his family while out fishing
in the land between the Lakes and Kentucky.

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I recently interviewed Mike again because he's
had other experiences that have happened to

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him over the last couple of years. That show's actually going to air tomorrow.

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As you listen to this, it'll
be out on Friday. You'll get

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to hear Mike's recent encounters. But
I wanted to go back and remaster this

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audio and share this because it was
a really cool experience that he had with

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his wife and his daughters while they
were out just having a day on the

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lake. I've included something that I
didn't do in the original episode here,

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and I've got the audio that Charlie
Raymond from the Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization went

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out and did an investigation after he
heard Mike's experience, and I've included that

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audio. It's about twelve or thirteen
minutes in here. You'll hear a couple

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of minutes of audio that Charlie captured, and if you want to see the

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entire video for that, I will
have Charlie's video linked on our blog.

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So head over to Paranorworldproductions dot com
check out the sasquatch Ota see blog at

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the top of the page, and
you can see the full video of Mike

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recounting his experience to Charlie, and
then Charlie and Brent going out and doing

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their investigation make sure you go over
and check that out. It's a pretty

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interesting video. But enough of that, I know you guys are ready to

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get into it. Let's hop into
the time machine and head back to March

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of twenty twenty one, and you
guys sit back, relax and enjoy the

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show. Welcome to the show,
Mike. Thank you absolutely man. It's

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my pleasure. I'm glad to have
you here and I'm excited to hear your

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stories. Tell us what you were
doing and tell us what happened out there.

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Man, we were fishing. I'm
an average fisherman and it's been a

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lifelong thing. And actually the day
before the fighting was the first time my

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wife and I and my shoe young
daughters had been out since the pandemic.

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We had such a great day,
even though the weather forecast was pretty bad.

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The next day we decided to get
on out and try it again and

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had to find a spot where the
wind wasn't blowing and there weren't three foot

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swells, and so went to a
pretty remote area and we're going to try

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to get out and fish and swim
and have a good day. But it

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wasn't happening there either. We found
a spot where we could build a campfire

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and cook some hot dog. That's
when we had our experience. It's changed

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my whole perfective. I can only
imagine, man, what led up to

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the actual sighting. Okay, so
where we pulled the boat up on a

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small I'm talking mattress size spot where
we might get just build a fire and

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stand. And actually my wife and
my young six year old daughter stayed in

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the boat, and then I had
a sixteen year old daughter, and then

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we actually had an infant with us, so the infant, my young daughter

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and my wife stayed in the boat
and my oldest daughter got out with me.

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The day before, we'd been on
a big open sandbar on the main

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lake and just they were running around. But this was pretty confined. We

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were just gonna make some hot dogs, basically, build a little campfire,

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eat and go back out in the
boat, probably go home. We cooked

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the hot dogs, and while I
was cooking them, so we were up

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against a ridge line. So I
don't know how familiar you were the audiences.

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With a lake, there's a little
shore and then the bay goes up

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maybe about three or four feet with
the water level fluctuates, and then he

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goes on up the hill, probably
about one hundred feet up into the woods.

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As I'm cooking, I had my
back to the hill and the woods.

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I heard people walking, and I
even said to my wife and my

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daughter, but it was pretty remote. It was a two mile drive into

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this place on one road, and
we didn't meet anybody. There was nobody

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else there. There was no hiking
trails, so I just heard walking and

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I told my family be on the
lookout. I think I hear some people

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hiking up there. So we cooked
the hot dogs, ate the hot dogs,

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and made the decision just to get
on out of there, and I

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was fixing to push the boat off
and we heard a tree knock and everybody

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looked. My daughter looked at me. My sixteen year old said, what

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is that dat? And I said
it was probably those kids and those hikers

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messing with this. But they also
say Bigfoot does this, and I just

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said it with a chuckle because I
was skeptical. But I've seen finding Bigfoot

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in some of these shows. So
I just looked down and there's a hand

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sized stick there, and I had
the boat tied up to the tree,

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so I just took a knock and
immediately from about one hundred yards at the

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most. In a different direction down
the shoreline came another knock, and at

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that time it gets a little more
serious. But I I still think,

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because I thought I heard multiple people
walking that it's just kids messing with So

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they all look and they laughed,
and I said, you know what,

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let's just dive back slow and look
up there. And I'm fully expecting the

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three people just goofing around, but
man right down the bank and I look

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up in this little inlet, the
pilin. It's coming over the trees,

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and there's a spot where it's coming
through. It was pretty thick, the

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forelage and the leaves already out,
but there's a spot where the sun was

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hitting and so I just looked there
and standing there with bigfoot. I'll finish

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the story, but I later on
called investigators and they came in with a

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range finder and we were about sixty
yards away. It's standing there but not

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white, up against the tree,
but behind the bigger tree, and it's

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about seven to nine feet tall,
reddish brown. I noticed that as the

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light hit it, the parts where
the light hit the hair were lighter than

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the than the parts where it was
more and I got a good look at

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it. It was that moment of
oh, my God, in my sin

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there and then I actually yelled an
exit. If I yelled, holy,

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they're bigfoot. And I think it
hurt me. I honestly think now in

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hindsight, if I'd have kept on
going and it had just stood there still

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watching me. But as soon as
I said that, it went behind the

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tree. So my wife and my
daughter the force are saying where. And

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I'm having to turn the boat because
we're up into this inlet now and there's

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some logs and some rocks. If
I'm turning the boat, it goes the

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opposite direction. It ducks down into
the bushes, and then I have to

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spend the boat again and it goes
the other way, like he was purposely

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trying to go the opposite direction of
us. And I made a final spin.

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When I say turned, I'm basically
spinning in a circle. And I

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made a final spin, and it
came down a little gully. And at

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this point it was about thirty eight
yards ordin to this range behinder, and

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it hunched over and pulled itself up
a bank. I saw the palm of

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its hand when it got down in
here where there wasn't a lot of light

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penetration. It was mostly brown,
and it went up the hill and my

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sixteen year old they were never ever
able to track it. This thing is

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the fastest thing I've ever seen in
the woods. I think even if I

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had a cell phone fixed on it, I don't know that I could have

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kept up and really tracked it.
And we saw some trees shaking, and

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my sixteen year old daughter was able
to see those, and then it disappeared

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over the ridge, we thought.
And so I'm in shock. And we

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just put the boat in New Torahm
with drifting, and we may have drifted

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twenty yards down the bank. And
I actually the fisherman in me, this

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is how hard court a fisherman I
am. I wanted to just go across

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the cove, fish out of the
boat. On the way back to the

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truck before we put the boat up. My wife and was already dead set

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one. But if I'm about to
get the motor. My wife and daughters

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hear of this. They called it
a guttural, frustrated scream. I didn't

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hear it. I had my head
turned away from the direction of the scream,

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and they were looking back but it
basically they looked at each other at

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the same time and said, did
you hear that? What was that?

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That was a screen? That was
a growl. Let's get out of here.

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So we went back across the lake
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Man, I haven't looked at the
woods the same ever since. I can

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only imagine, man, and you're
a dedicated fisherman to see that and just

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continue to wear a hook like that. I got to give you problems for

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that, buddy. It was way
across. It was probably five six hundred

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yards across this cold so I would
have been in the stay for a little

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bit of thing. I got you. So let's go back to the wood

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knock. I'm fascinated with the fact
that you guys heard of wood knock.

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Then you've got this response, and
then you're looking up at this sixty yards

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away is not that far at all. Go back to that. Did you

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get a good look at the face? Yes? Since I shared my story,

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I came home, man, and
I just I combed the internet looking

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for somebody to help me deal with
this, because I didn't want to lie

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to myself and bury it. I
wanted to come to grips with this that's

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helped me a lot. So the
face was. The thing that I noticed

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was the eyes were very deep set. It was dark back in there where

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the eyes were. There was not
very much hair on the forehead or the

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cheeks. It was a hooded nose, more like a human than a gorilla.

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I've described it as a gorilla like
texture, and in fact I drew

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a picture of it. One of
the investigators I talked to said, hey,

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you need to write down as much
as this draw a picture. So

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I used my daughter's craywns to color
it, but I left the face in

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pencil. There was a place where
the mouth was. I saw what you

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would say, it's a stereotypical Bigfoot
shaped face, but it was so massive,

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and I think I yelled, there's
Bigfoot. The chest and the depth

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of the eyes or what really struck
out. I could see a definite shape

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of the face. You'll see some
that it's totally fur covered. This wasn't

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like this. If I could see
the cheeks, the forehead and nose and

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around the mouth in a darker tone, not black like a gorilla toned,

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but not skin toned either. It
was just darker than the surrounding furk.

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You said, you got to look
at the hand on the thing. What

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did the hand look like? And
it's the same kind of thing. So

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when it was turning like it was
reaching to pull it shelf up this grade.

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When I got back in there,
it was pretty steep. It was

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down into a little creek and it
was basically stepping up out of the creek

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up the hill. And it was
the same kind of texture. I wasn't

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close enough to count the ridges on
the palm or give it a palm reading

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or anything like that, but when
it turned you could see that there was

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a human light palm there. I
could see between the fingers. It wasn't

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super shagging I described it. I
don't know if you've ever seen the documentary

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of the Grizzly Man and he got
named Timothy Treadwell went out and filmed Grizzly

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Bear for a year before he got
eaten by one. But it's one of

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my favorite movies. And he got
this wild footed of grizzly Bear. That's

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what I like in it too,
even shorter hair, more uniform, and

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the way it reacted to the light
just told me immediately, this is not

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a suit. This is incredible so
it was a hand. I've actually seen

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the documentary that you're talking about.
I'm certainly getting the visual. Yeah,

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you said you called some investigators.
Did they come out and take a look

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at the air. Did they find
any physical evidence, footprints or anything like

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that. Oh? Yes, absolutely, That's what I was going to tell

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you in the info. And I
had an experienced in a place in the

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Louisville ten years ago as a haunted
hospital of Waverley Hills, in total skeptic.

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But something happened to me and I
realized I'm either going to have to,

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like I said, light of myself
my whole life, or try to

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come to grip with this. And
that was very much the same with Bigfoot.

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I'm not going to lie to myself
my whole perspective on the woods.

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I'm forty nine, so I want
to find some people that know about this.

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So a guy named Charlie Wyman runs
the Kentucky dick Foot Research Organization called

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me back at midnight and COVID put
a damper on it. So this was

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maye, you can get out till
September, and we went through the story.

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It's actually on his YouTube channel called
the Beast of LBL was what the

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report is called. When we got
up there to the top of the hill,

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he had another guy with him named
Brent. We found a tree that

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was bent over. This is something
that was new to me. I'd never

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experienced that. And Brent went right
to this tree and said, look at

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this. He told me, they
don't know if it's territorial or navigation or

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what that. You look around and
you realize this tree has been meant to

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grow this shape and on purpose.
So they stayed that night. This is

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also on their investigation on YouTube.
They stayed that night. I wasn't able

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to stay with them. They got
some response knocked, and they got some

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howls that they had analyzed, and
a couple of them are almost I think

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seven hundred hertz, which is subblivately
this magic number that nothing else can create.

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And tip for a big book.
And I've got two microphones right here,

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right here, they are omni directional
microphones hooked to this recorder and we're

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going to turn it on. So
it's now recording back in the content of

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four Shady something Shills Shall Hide.
I don't know. There was some strange

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house. Yeah, there's some strange
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my audio going here. I hope
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me into one to go back out, and I have not been out at

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night by myself, but I started
going out and I've gotten tracks. I've

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had another sighting since I've had some
interactions. It's been incredible. It really

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helped me not think I was crazy. You're definitely not crazy, man.

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That's one of the reasons that I
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people a place to come and tell
their stories because people are seeing these things

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and all kinds of other things that
they can't explain. People don't realize the

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PTSD that comes along with some of
these encounters. It seems like your encounter

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was from a far enough distance that
you felt safe and your family felt somewhat

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safe. But that's not the case. And a lot of these encounters people

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are out there in the woods,
and these things are really aggressive, yes,

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and I believe that they have actually
killed people. So it's very important

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to realize that when people have these
types of encounters, there's some PTSD that

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comes along with that, and talking
about it and having a safe space to

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talk about it is paramount in that
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you've got to be able to talk
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I think that's the best way you
could have possibly handled it, in

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my opinion. Yeah, absolutely,
man, And honestly, I told the

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investigator for a while I wish I
had an assault because I cannot go to

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the lake now without staring in the
woods and wondering what's watching me. I

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can't stress enough how massive these things
are, how fast they are, how

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intelligent I think they are. I
haven't really felt, but I tell you

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what. I've made it a dedicated
rule. When I'm out, if i'm

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by myself, I don't even try
to interact. I just look for cracked.

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I don't knock, I don't clap, I don't whistle. I'm with

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somebody, and we do that and
I get a response back. We go

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away from that and let them come
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Well, I'm telling you, if
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I think you're doing it exactly the
way it should be. Because I worry

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about certain people that I've talked to, and I've said, look, you

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got to be careful out there,
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thing in the woods. You have
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We don't know what these wood knocks
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to them. These whoops and these
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you don't know what you're doing.
You could be ringing the dinner bell for

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all we know. I always caution
people. It's not my place. I'm

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not anybody's father, but be careful
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I talked to these people. I'll
reference to Grizzly Man again. That guy

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was amazing for about thirteen years,
basically petting wild grizzly bears. But that

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late part of that thirteenth year,
you see what happened. A lot of

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people get on these sites and they're
like, hey, cold weather, they're

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moving around more to find food.
I didn't even go out in all this

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snow and freezing weather, because that's
right. Wood is scarce in the winter,

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and I don't want to be on
the venue. I'm not under the

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impression these things are some fairytale,
mythical guardian of the woods that want to

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interact with me. If anything,
they're upset. They're wearing coaching on their

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habitat cutting their deer, forcing them
to be secret deal. And like I

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said, I had another experience I
knew one with watching us. I took

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my son out and he heard it, and I'm convinced there's most of the

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time there's two of them, but
he was looking in one direction, and

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I just knew they're talking to be
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one hundred and fifty yards away.
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hill and I saw it head and
its arm and its shoulders, and it

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just walked down the hill and again
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And stay tuned for more sasquatch out
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after these messages. Wow, that's
huge. People don't realize how big even

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seven to eight feet is when you're
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of girth that goes along with that
until you've seen it or you've been near

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it. Are those the only encounters
or sightings that you've had. Have you

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had other things going on while you've
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Now we've got a spot, and
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them. I've got one. He's
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and a half and so sixteen and
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inches to eight inches wide, depending
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the other one has a thirteen and
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long. And we've found as many
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in a creek. I documented all. Of course, we've had some stuff

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thrown at us. I think it
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from the other one. I think
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these ridge tops. There was a
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a part of this, so he
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back in October and we got to
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me and we got down in an
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the only time I've felt like maybe
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It's one of the things you have
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man, it just got it got
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lot. I'm maybe convincing myself that
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just naturally smell. I've walked through
this before, but it was one of

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the few times where all of a
sudden we smell something, and as we're

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leaving and deciding to get out walk
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commotion up at the base camp.
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and the guy that was sitting in
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it. I felt that time like
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we're getting too curious about us,
and we all felt that way. There

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was a group of stick Fellers.
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I think I was one of those
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show and actually talking to people who
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few people mentioned the smell. I've
got doctor Jeff Meldrim's coming up on the

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show next week, and I've got
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him on Friday for Sunday shows.
It's all speculation. I'm curious to hear

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what other people think, and most
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smelled the smell think that it's more
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a person who goes out and lives
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on they can secrete. It's something

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that happens as a stress response or
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man, any other weird encounters out
in the woods other than eight to

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nine foot tall apes running around.
I'll tell you what with this. And

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I'm on the fence with this stuff. But we've seen some light. The

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area is overland between the lakes.
I don't know how familiar you are with

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Kentucky, but if you look on
the map on the far western side you

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can see it. There's two lakes
and this area between it. Seventy thousand

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and eight, they ran thriving communities
out when the Tennessee Valley Authority damn the

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Cumberland and Tennessee rivers to make this
area. And so it's got a history

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of just some weird stuff. And
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I don't know if it's UFOs,
know what it is, but there's lights

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running around the wood. Describe what
you're talking about, because you're definitely not

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the first person to say that to
me. What kind of lights are you

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seeing? Are you seeing something higher
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there concentrated lights you see in orbs? I've actually got some pictures of some

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orbs that you associate with ghosts in
the paranormal and spirit activity. Some real

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glowing, self contained. Most of
them are dust in water vapor. Honestly,

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most of what people call or are
not really. But I've taken,

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in probably ten to fifteen years of
doing paranormal stuff, two pictures of what

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I would consider a real, actual
orb. These are not those we have

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a military base supposed to hear,
which I think would maybe playing some stuff

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high in the sky. These things
look like they're rolling through the woods,

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almost like a person. In fact, the last ones I saw, we

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went and checked it out, and
I know where they were would have been

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over a field. So where we
were up on this ridgetop, it looked

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like they were like a headlamp.
They looked like a headlamp, and the

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person I was with is, that's
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there's three of them two are white. One kind of change from an orange

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to a white at times, and
I should man that. The ridgetop learns

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right over there, let's walk over
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there's nothing but cornfield out there.
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forty feet off the ground. And
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them. They've never come to me. They always seem to either be watching

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you or just letting you know they're
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really don't pay much attention to them
because I was seeing them even before addictip

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sit it. You would not believe
the people that I talked to, not

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always, but particularly most people who
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habituation site, but just a constant

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interaction with the people. Most of
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Without fail, when I ask these
people, hey, have you seen anything

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else it's strange around the property.
Have you seen any lights? Yeah,

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we've seen no lights. And then
they start to talk about either a couple

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of people that I've interviewed recently have
seen things that could have been whether they

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are UFOs, or UAPs. They're
unidentified aerial phenomenon, but it could be

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an alien ship, let's put it
that way. And then they talk about

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these balls of light that are sometimes
softball size, sometimes basketball size, beach

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ball size, orbs floating through the
wool. And I've asked follow up questions

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and said, hey, do you
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I certainly don't know. It fascinates
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they're out there a lot in association
with right before seeing or having any encounter

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with Bigfoot or right after, and
I say, hey, do you think

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there's some sort of correlation, And
of course they don't know, but usually

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the answer is I don't see the
orbs unless we're having some sort of activity

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with Sasquatch. Yeah, And I'm
absolutely with you. I want to believe,

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and right now I do that it's
a flesh and blood I believe maybe

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the powers it has. I think
it's like a magician that's really stilled,

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that can do something in front of
you that you know is not real magic,

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but they're so good at it you
believe in real magic. I believe

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Bigfoot is back good in the woods. But I tell you. I've got

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one area where I know they're living, and I go into this area the

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same way every time. I do
an owl call, because I'm like you,

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I don't know what I'm saying if
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I do an owl call let them
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I don't go more than once in
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took a friend of mine in to
cast the track of gotten and we walked

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around. And it always seems like
I get the activity when I'm leaving,

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but on this occasion he wanted to
stop. So instead of leaving, we

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took a different route that I don't
usually do. And then I thought I'd

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seen a track, and he decided
to make a woot. And when he

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does this, we were right on
top of a ridge. It was about

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dust. You could feel the footsteps. It was like a linebacker running through

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the brush. You could feel it. He looked at me. We peered

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over the ridge and there was nothing. And I still struggle with power is

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something in this big being that silent
and disappearing. I mean, I had

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my phone going, I was betting
money. I was fixing to get the

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best big footputed ever. In the
history of the world. You could feel

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it and it was just gone.
So I've beliging to myself again, I

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got to leave the door open for
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it. I'll be honest, man, I think you've got probably one of

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the more level heads of anybody that's
had these types of encounters that actually goes

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and follows up. Here's the bottom
line. If we don't know anything about

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these things, right, everything we
do is speculation. All the air quote

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researchers out there are just investigators.
They're investigating the physical evidence that's left behind

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by clearly something that people are encountering. So to close your mind off and

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say, oh, it's just a
big ape running around in the woods,

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then why are you doing what you're
doing. Why are you trying to get

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video? Why are you trying to
get audio? Why are you going out

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knocking on trees and screaming like a
banshee in the woods. Yeah, we

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just called it an ape and move
on. And I think you really do

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a disservice to people like you,
Frankly, who are out there searching franchiphors,

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in my opinion, in the best
way possible with an open mind because

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I know there are people that I
respect greatly that I've heard tell stories,

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and one of them is the survivor
man Less Stroud. I'm actually having him

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on the show later this fall night. He has talked about on other shows

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that he experienced mind speak with Sasquatch. I trust Less. I don't know

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him personally. We're not friends,
we're not beer drinking buddies. But I

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know enough of him to know that
he's not telling a lie. He truly

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believes that happened. And I can't
wait to ask him that in person,

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because I don't know. That's really
woo for a lot of people out there.

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You know, they say that's the
wu part of Pooh on the woo

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when it comes to Bigfoot. Yes, yeah, I even mentioned it to

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somebody I was talking with yesterday and
I said, you know, it's like

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the BFRO. They won't even document
a lot of the cases that people call

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in because they say, I saw
lights before I saw Bigfoot, And there

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goes that spote in because that's too
right. It wasn't just a big monkey

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00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:06.200
breaking sticks. So we're not even
going to talk about it. And I

407
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:10.799
think that really does a disservice because
people are seeing things that they can explain,

408
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:17.039
and who knows who's telling the truth. Yeah, I'm not thick.

409
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.400
I'm open to the fact that I
don't know, and I want to know.

410
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.839
I tell you I've seen that.
You know you with Ed and Lorraine,

411
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:30.440
one the paranormal investigators that they did
basically conjuring off of an Annabelle.

412
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:36.480
There's an account of her actually speaking
with a sasquat. I saved it on

413
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.759
my computer when I was doing my
research, to her speaking and connecting with

414
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:45.680
one that had been injured and shot
by a hundred I absolutely believe in them.

415
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.680
When the Catholic Church calls you to
deal with stuff, I have no

416
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.440
reason to not believe them. Again, I can't say I believe everything they

417
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.400
did over here, but I don't
believe that that's cool, man. I

418
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.680
tell you what if you think of
it. I actually, in my quest

419
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:06.880
sent a video, and I know
Jeff Mildram probably get thousands of emails.

420
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:12.480
I actually sent this video of the
footprint I got to his I believe it's

421
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.839
Idaho State. I looked him up
and send it to his school email it

422
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.880
just because I wanted him to check
it. Out for me and just see

423
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.599
is this a person, because I've
seen some of his stuff. He's money.

424
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:23.960
He can look at the best bake
in the world and say, no,

425
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.039
that's a human. If you want
to send it to me, I

426
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.640
will send it over to him,
and then I'll follow up with them when

427
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.960
we talk and see what he's got
to say, because I'm sure it probably

428
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.799
buried in some emails. Oh yeah, I know, I'm and I'm Mike

429
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.000
miff nobody and there's five billion of
me. When it comes in, I'm

430
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.079
interested because when I cast it,
it was in some molof litter, but

431
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.279
there's a great mid parcel break.
But it looks like it's farther up the

432
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:54.319
foot, especially when I cast it
than it does in some of what the

433
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.720
examples I've seen of his I didn't
know if that was a sign of slipp

434
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:01.839
it. I just I wanted his
opinion on it, So I'll definitely I'll

435
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.599
shoot it. Do you, yes, send it over to me. Like

436
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:07.960
I said, I'm interviewing him next
week and his show will actually air.

437
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.839
I think I'm putting it out next
Friday or Sunday, one of those days.

438
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.519
Wonderful, But yes, send it
over to me, and I mention

439
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.440
it to him when I talked to
him. Good deal. It sounds like

440
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.759
you've been doing some paranormal investigating for
quite a while. You mentioned the haunted

441
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:28.920
hospital. I'm very interested in the
paranormal. I've had a UFO experience in

442
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.359
the past. I saw him when
I was like sixteen, and wow.

443
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.880
My mom and sister have lived in
some haunted places, and I've actually caught

444
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.039
some EVPs there myself. I'm not
all about the cryptids. This show is

445
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.440
specifically geared to Sasquatch, of course, but I open it up any and

446
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.400
all experiences. So is there anything
else you can share? The experiences you've

447
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:52.000
had paranormally? Yeah? Man,
this all seems to run together, and

448
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.880
I hesitate to connect them because I
don't want to water down. I think

449
00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:01.119
believing in Bigfoot is easier read than
been believing in a lot of ghosts and

450
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:06.240
things. I'll just tell you I
was totally skeptic. I didn't think people

451
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.360
were lying. I don't think people
are lying about Bigfoot in UFO. That's

452
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:14.679
part of what kept my mind open. I don't think all these people are

453
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:20.400
lying and risking their reputation and ridicule
my ex wife wanted to go to this

454
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:25.599
Waverley Hills. It's haunted sanatorium and
it's tuberculosis ward. About seventy thousand people

455
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.800
died there, and so I did
like I always did, I did no

456
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:32.760
research. They said take a lot
of batteries, talking about the battery drain

457
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:39.519
and the equipment malfunctions. So we
bought actually a film camera and in rebel

458
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.960
a digital camera, extra batteries,
and I took a flashlight with We were

459
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.480
seeing stuff on the tour and this
was before it was real popular, so

460
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:52.599
it was an eight person They were
all my family members, and we got

461
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:58.000
a personal tour for the night,
about a four hour tour, and my

462
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.599
ex wife was wanting to take a
picture of this room where there's a nurse

463
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.159
that passed away hung herself. So
her camera wasn't working and it was the

464
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.760
cameras were messed up all night.
I had to change the batteries in the

465
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.119
parking lot and they will brand new
batteries that I was still thinking, okay,

466
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.320
this is coincidence. When the camera
wouldn't work, the tour group had

467
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.519
gone up, and so the tour
guide said, hey, man, do

468
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.639
you have a flashlight? And I
said yes, sir, and he said,

469
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:29.159
why don't you go on up the
flight of stairs to the next level.

470
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.079
I'll stay here with her till the
camera starts working and we'll make sure

471
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.400
she gets a picture. And I
said great. So I had the digital

472
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.079
camera around my neck. And when
you go through this stairwell, it's one

473
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:43.039
of those with a hole all the
way down the length of the building,

474
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.559
so you've got a small step,
a landing, small set of steps,

475
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:50.079
and then you're on the next floor
like you're seeing movies where you can look

476
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.119
all the way down to the first
flour. And I'm walking up the stairs

477
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:58.679
and something grabbed that camera, pulled
me to the rail and I caught myself

478
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:05.079
on the rail and pulled myself back. I immediately hit the camera to hit

479
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.239
the flash on it to see what
was on it. I hit two flashes.

480
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.440
I took my flashlight. I looked
all around. I caught my breath

481
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:17.039
instead against the wall for probably a
good minute. And when I walked upstairs,

482
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.400
my sister in law at the time, Christina, I don't get rattled

483
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:23.760
much, man. A lot of
people say that, but I was a

484
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:29.119
volunteer firefighter. I just don't get
rattled and She looked at me and said,

485
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.559
what is wrong? And I said, look at my neck. There

486
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.920
was an obvious red mark on my
neck. Nobody in the stairwell, of

487
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.719
course. And then when the weirdest
thing was when I got home and plugged

488
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.360
those pictures in. To this day, the only two digital pictures that I've

489
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.559
had that, for lack of a
better word, have not developed for those

490
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.440
two that came up unrecognizable format is
what it said on the black screen.

491
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:59.719
I dold seek first in it.
Man. I got to a point where

492
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.760
I I did some stuff for people
that had issues at their home. I

493
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.199
still help every now and then with
stuff, but I'm pretty sensitive to that.

494
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.079
My wife just calls it freaky.
I live on a place. I've

495
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:15.360
got a Confederate soldier buried in the
grave yard right behind the house. The

496
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:19.800
place I live had people on it
since the eighteen forties. I've got a

497
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:24.480
fireplace pre Civil War. There's some
what we think are Indian burial mounds down

498
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:29.280
in the woods on my property by
creek. Find artifacts all the time,

499
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.280
and I'm pretty in tune with that
to the point it's like the lights.

500
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:37.079
It's just I think it's part of
life. I think they're everywhere. I

501
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.000
think there's all levels of them.
I think there's good ones, bad ones.

502
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:44.320
I think there's ones that are aware
and know they're dead and know how

503
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:45.960
to interact in that world. And
I think there's some that are lost.

504
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.079
And I'm still into that. The
big Foot's kind of taking my focus here

505
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:53.360
since May. Yeah, Sasquats tends
to do that to people. I was

506
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:58.320
a cop for sixteen years. You
didn't go around telling people you had a

507
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.000
UFO experience when you were six because
people look at you like you've got three

508
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:06.679
heads when you're supposed to be out
there, protecting and serving. It's fascinating

509
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:08.639
thing in the world to me,
and I've said this several times on the

510
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.360
show already, and I don't have
any problems saying it. I don't take

511
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:17.039
anybody's word or anybody's story with any
more credibility based on what you do for

512
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:21.360
a living. You could be a
judge, be a liar, and a

513
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.000
cheat and a drunk, just like
anything else. Same thing with cops,

514
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:34.119
firefighters, military guys and gals what
There is a certain level of responsibility that

515
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.280
comes with those types of jobs.
It always fascinates me because it's like dog

516
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.119
man, for example. I don't
know what to make of dog man sightings.

517
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.039
I really don't need either. We're
saying dog man because it's twenty twenty

518
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.719
one, but it's the American werewolf
in London. It's what we're talking about,

519
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:51.440
right, We're talking about were wolves. We're talking about half men,

520
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.639
half dog. People have these sightings
all the time. There have been cops

521
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:59.599
that have shot these things, that
have shot at these things. For a

522
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:05.079
police police officer to pull their duty
weapon and fire it, there has to

523
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:09.159
be a whole lot of things that
transpire before that happens. That's a serious

524
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:14.079
thing. These police officers that have
come forward and said, look I shot

525
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.519
at dog man. Nothing good is
going to come from that. Why would

526
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.079
these guys tell these stories if they
weren't true? Now what they're seeing,

527
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.800
I don't know what to make of
it. I think very much like you

528
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.840
said, these things are everywhere.
People are seeing all kinds of different things.

529
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:31.639
I talked to a guy last night
that's going to be on a future

530
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:38.760
episode that had a big foot encounter
and he also saw what he calls a

531
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:45.079
chupicabra in Mexico. He was hesitant
to tell me the story because he thought

532
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.400
again. He literally said, you
know, I don't really want to tell

533
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.360
you this story because I want there
to be some credibility to the encounter that

534
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.119
I just told you about, because
it's absolutely one hundred percent true. He

535
00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.119
saw sasquatch crossing a railroad track while
he was working on the railroad, and

536
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.480
then he tells me this chup oficabra
story, and it was wild. But

537
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:09.639
why would he tell a story that's
not true? Even admitting that he's apprehensive

538
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:15.320
about telling that he saw this crazy
looking lizard like chup of cabra creature while

539
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:20.800
he was visiting his ex wife's people
in New Mexico, when he's afraid that

540
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:25.159
it's going to deter people from believing
the story. He just told me about

541
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.880
encounters with sasquads exactly, And it
just fascinates me. Man. I am

542
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:34.000
thankful that I get to do this
show and talk to people like you and

543
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.119
live vicariously through other people's stories.
And clearly the show's doing well. People

544
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:43.519
enjoy these stories. The show's nothing
without people like you. I appreciate and

545
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.199
it helped me just as much because
I'm dealing with it every day, trying

546
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.440
to keep that open mind and it
helped me to just connect with people that

547
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.960
are a willing ear, that are
believers, that reinforce what I'm doing,

548
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.760
what I'm seeing. So I appreciate
it right back. Yeah, man,

549
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.760
for every story that everybody sits and
listens to the show, everybody who's listening

550
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.599
to this right now, everybody that
comes on here that makes it to the

551
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:13.920
air, they're probably just as many
that won't come on the air that talk

552
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.000
to me. I've tried to make
it through several interviews with people that have

553
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:22.400
had encounters with Sasquatch, and they
literally can't talk about it. They can't

554
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.239
even talk to me off the air
with the recorder off. They get two

555
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.880
minutes into the story or sometimes twenty
seconds into the story and they're like,

556
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.760
I can't. I'm sorry, Brian, Yeah, I just can't do it.

557
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.920
And I feel for those people because
I know that's genuine. I know

558
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.559
it's real. I was a cop. My bullshit meter is like off the

559
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.280
charts, so I know when somebody's
bullshit me and when they're not. I'm

560
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.400
going to have to put explicit on
the show now on Apple Podcasts, but

561
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.119
I guess it'll be okay. Look, man, I really do appreciate you

562
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.280
coming on the show. I've really
enjoyed talking to you, and frankly,

563
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.320
it sounds like you've probably got some
experience because you've kept in your back pocket

564
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.519
that you didn't want to share.
So we may have to have you back

565
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.440
for a round two to share some
of those other paranormal experiences. We'll let

566
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:09.360
the big Foot encounter soak in,
and then maybe I'll have you back to

567
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:14.440
tell us some of those freaky paranormal
experiences anytime. I really appreciate it.

568
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:15.480
I can't thank you enough. I
appreciate it, and I hope you have

569
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:22.000
a great night. You too nice
talking to you. They say you don't

570
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:34.199
gotta go home, but you can't
stay. I don't want to be out

571
00:42:34.320 --> 00:43:05.920
that job. Job jidday came bucking
bags for joy, for me, joy

572
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:43.199
staying right. You come in right
away, steps steps, steps, side

573
00:43:43.920 --> 00:44:22.159
steps, talk about PSSST in state
passes, in state assst USTs ps